Louder with Crowder - Timothy Gordon Explains: What Womanly Submission Really Means

00:01:16.000 Good morning and happy Friday.

00:01:19.000 I am so glad we are almost at the weekend, but thank you very much for joining us today, spending a little bit of your time with us.

00:01:26.000 Recently, I gave a very simple prescription for women, and it created a bit of controversy.

00:01:32.000 And I understand why, but I understand that red pillars and maybe guys that are on the far, far extremes have gone too far.

00:01:41.000 They've maybe identified a problem correctly, but their prescriptions are all terrible.

00:01:46.000 But the prescription that I gave wasn't really in line with what they believe.

00:01:49.000 It's actually a very simple prescription, and it turns out that it's biblical.

00:01:53.000 And so here it is.

00:01:54.000 I'll give it once again, just to make sure everybody is on the same page as we start today's episode. 0.97

00:02:00.000 Women, stop being whores, start prioritizing motherhood, and start listening to your husbands. 1.00

00:02:07.000 That seems pretty easy to do. 0.99

00:02:10.000 Maybe you don't want to listen to your husbands. 1.00

00:02:12.000 Maybe you don't want to stop being whores. 1.00

00:02:14.000 Most people watching this, I don't think you fall into that category. 0.96

00:02:17.000 But if you think about those things, get past the shock of the word whores, even though it's a biblical word, you start to think, well, these are pretty reasonable. 1.00

00:02:26.000 It shouldn't be controversial.

00:02:27.000 But in today's society, making that statement is very controversial.

00:02:31.000 You'll be called sexist.

00:02:32.000 You'll be called all kinds of names.

00:02:34.000 And people will just say, oh, that's just one more guy who's in the patriarchy.

00:02:37.000 No, that's a guy who is wanting what is best for women.

00:02:40.000 And that's a guy who's wanting what's best for men.

00:02:44.000 And I think it's a pretty simple prescription.

00:02:47.000 And it should be easy to implement and produce results.

00:02:51.000 So my next guest is a prominent Catholic apologist.

00:02:55.000 And I'm a proud Protestant.

00:02:57.000 So we're not going to agree on everything.

00:02:59.000 And I'm sure things will get a little bit spicy here and there.

00:03:02.000 But listen, it is worth it to have real conversations about the battles that we are fighting in this culture and in society, whether you're Christian, not Christian, curious, not curious in Christianity at all.

00:03:14.000 It matters when you are fighting against feminism and the society or societal impacts that it is having on this country.

00:03:22.000 So please welcome my guest to Gerald Apologizes Apologetics, Timothy J. Gordon.

00:03:32.000 Gerald Apologizes Apologetics.

00:03:35.000 It doesn't mean that.

00:03:37.000 Does not mean that, but well, they told me I had to do it, so I did it.

00:03:40.000 All right.

00:03:41.000 So my guest with us today here in the studio is Timothy J. Gordon.

00:03:46.000 How are you, sir?

00:03:47.000 I'm so well.

00:03:48.000 You're so well?

00:03:48.000 I'm excellent.

00:03:50.000 First off, I just want to congratulate you on having a really, really, really fine shirt for the day.

00:03:58.000 I love that shirt.

00:03:59.000 So here's the fun part, and I wore it just for you.

00:04:02.000 Here's the fun part about this shirt.

00:04:06.000 It's hard to come at me correctly on this shirt because you don't know if I'm like, man, Jews are like the best basketball players ever and I'm just like stealing the Michael Jordan dunks, the menorah, or they're the worst and it takes someone jumping on everything that they've got to put the menorah on the fireplace. 1.00

00:04:22.000 You don't really know which way I'm going in support of or in mockery of, and so everybody gets equally angry.

00:04:29.000 Well, I know what I'm hoping for.

00:04:30.000 I know what I'm calling for.

00:04:32.000 Nice.

00:04:33.000 We're just playing on old stereotypes, the old Jew, super high vertical, talented NBA player, jump out the gym stereotypes. 0.77

00:04:42.000 They actually invented the sport, I hear.

00:04:44.000 John Wooden and the Jews. 1.00

00:04:45.000 Yeah, right.

00:04:47.000 So, Timothy Gordon, thanks again for being with us.

00:04:50.000 Where can people follow you right now?

00:04:52.000 What's the best place for people to go just to keep up with what you're doing?

00:04:56.000 Thanks for having me.

00:04:57.000 Twitter, I'm Timothyology with 2Es, T-I-M-O-T-H-E-E-O-L-O-G-Y.

00:05:02.000 And then on, well, on Facebook, on YouTube, actually.

00:05:06.000 So Timothy Gordon, and my show is called Rules for Retrogrades.

00:05:09.000 There I also have an Instagram, but the first two are most relevant for the kinds of things we're going to be talking about today and free content, exciting free content that's coming out soon.

00:05:20.000 Yeah.

00:05:21.000 Awesome.

00:05:21.000 So Rules for Retrogrades, is that a daily show, weekly show?

00:05:24.000 How often do you do that?

00:05:25.000 Three times a week show.

00:05:26.000 Three times.

00:05:27.000 Yeah.

00:05:27.000 I've been on the road the last two weeks.

00:05:29.000 So we've done three times a week, literally all year from January 1st.

00:05:35.000 No, it's a show I've been doing since for seven or eight years.

00:05:39.000 And I got my start with Dr. Taylor Marshall on his channel, did a three times a week show there.

00:05:45.000 And I just kept that three times a week format.

00:05:48.000 At some point, I'd love to go to five times a week, but that just feels like a lot.

00:05:52.000 It is quite a bit to do.

00:05:53.000 It takes a team of people to be able to do that.

00:05:56.000 So make sure you guys go give him a follow and check him out on YouTube.

00:06:01.000 I think it looks like the best place to find you Rules for Retrograde show.

00:06:05.000 That's typically where I watch when I'm looking for the content.

00:06:09.000 Look, you're known for a number of different things, right?

00:06:12.000 I've kind of labeled you a Catholic apologist, a debater.

00:06:16.000 Does that seem to fit with what you've heard?

00:06:19.000 Other people, I don't know if you'll say it.

00:06:20.000 I don't want to put you in a non-humble position necessarily, but is that kind of how you see it?

00:06:25.000 Like your specialty would be kind of debating and apologetics.

00:06:29.000 Yeah, that's fair.

00:06:31.000 I mean, I'm a trained JD and philosopher, and I was a debate coach for a while when I taught high school.

00:06:39.000 So it's not unfair.

00:06:40.000 I'll say that much.

00:06:41.000 My training is all in Thomistic philosophy, Aristotle and St. Thomas.

00:06:46.000 So I'm more on, in terms of the Catholic tradition, the tradition of the perennial philosophy and Catholic Catholicism.

00:06:54.000 I'm on the side of philosophy more than theology, but there's a big Venn diagram share in the middle there between Thomistic philosophy and theology.

00:07:04.000 And I've picked up a lot of theology along the way.

00:07:07.000 So whereas back when I was trying to be an academic, I tended to debate philosophers.

00:07:13.000 What I've done in the popular square for the last seven years is debating other Catholic theologians like Trent Horn.

00:07:23.000 We had a big debate seven years ago on feminism. 0.99

00:07:26.000 How'd that go?

00:07:26.000 That was about.

00:07:27.000 Oh, it went extremely well from it didn't go so well for Trent, but he's a good debate.

00:07:33.000 He's a good debater, though, right?

00:07:34.000 I mean, I'm not, yeah, he articulates his points pretty well.

00:07:37.000 He can kind of think quickly on his feet most of the time.

00:07:39.000 You may not agree with where he goes, but he doesn't get run over completely most of the time.

00:07:43.000 No, not at all.

00:07:44.000 He's skilled.

00:07:45.000 And as a matter of fact, after that one, Trent was Catholic Answers on Trent's behalf was asking me there, like, do you want to bury this one?

00:07:54.000 And I was like, you know what?

00:07:56.000 This is not going to surprise you, but I don't want to bury this one.

00:07:58.000 They're like, we think it's not a good look for the both of you.

00:08:01.000 And I said, you know what?

00:08:02.000 You're exactly half right.

00:08:04.000 And you can go find that one, but they've kind of buried it.

00:08:08.000 They buried the video, not the audio.

00:08:10.000 But trend is good.

00:08:11.000 And I've spent a lot of the last five years debating Orthodox.

00:08:17.000 Those tend to be friendly but intense debates.

00:08:20.000 Like Jay Dyer, I'm also very close friends with Andrew and Rachel Wilson, who are Orthodox.

00:08:25.000 And then I've had some really good debates with Protestants over the last two years as well.

00:08:30.000 Who's the best one on the Protestant side that you would think?

00:08:34.000 That I've debated or that I there's a guy, the other Paul, that gets a lot of love from Catholics.

00:08:41.000 And I think with good reason, I would say he's probably the best one I've debated.

00:08:46.000 In terms of who I'd like to debate, we've seen that the Horn White debate happened.

00:08:53.000 It's like Rumble in the Jungle Times 153.

00:08:57.000 They've debated like so many times, but he's a good one.

00:09:00.000 And of course, most Catholics respect.

00:09:04.000 I mean, there's a lot of love to go around, but I would say those two names.

00:09:08.000 Are you familiar with Gavin Orland?

00:09:09.000 Oh, yeah, Orland.

00:09:10.000 Yeah, I thought he'd love to.

00:09:12.000 One of the best for me as a Protestant of kind of actually not just saying this is because it's just like this is.

00:09:18.000 And here's why I believe that.

00:09:20.000 I feel like it's really important and it's missing in so many circles, especially I'll be very self-critical here on the Protestant side.

00:09:26.000 You've got a lot of people out there espousing different views and beliefs and not really backing it up very well and completely running away from tradition in ways that I think is very, very unproductive.

00:09:36.000 He's very skillful, rhetorically skillful.

00:09:39.000 And yeah, I'd love to do a solo scripture or something debate with Ortland at some point.

00:09:45.000 But I mean, yeah, so I'm not just an apologist.

00:09:48.000 I'm also a very certain kind of Christian nationalist.

00:09:51.000 And my first book was actually called Catholic Republic.

00:09:55.000 And I'm a state's rights Christian nationalist, which is the least of a LARP and the most represented, the most robustly exampled in our early Americana.

00:10:07.000 And of course, what you want to talk primarily about today is the patriarchy.

00:10:12.000 This is not a LARP at all.

00:10:13.000 This is entirely realistic.

00:10:16.000 And I'm also known for doing a number of initiatives for adult education and homeschooling.

00:10:22.000 I'm a big advocate for homeschooling, but people get the maddest about patriarchy, so that's why it's the most important.

00:10:29.000 Did you kind of expect that, though, going into it?

00:10:31.000 Absolutely.

00:10:32.000 That's what's fun about it.

00:10:33.000 Yeah.

00:10:34.000 It is a very interesting topic.

00:10:36.000 And I'll save my personal journey for somewhere where it fits into the rest of the show here.

00:10:42.000 But you recently released a documentary.

00:10:44.000 And I really enjoy documentaries that are well produced.

00:10:47.000 And Joel Webbin had a lot of positive things about the production value at the very least and also the content of the documentary.

00:10:54.000 So I can't wait to watch it.

00:10:55.000 I've seen clips of it, but I haven't seen the whole thing yet.

00:10:58.000 But it's called basically what a woman is. 1.00

00:11:02.000 And it seeks to answer essentially that question, right?

00:11:06.000 So kind of playing off of Matt Walsh's what is a woman, trying to find out like, okay, what exactly is a woman?

00:11:11.000 And seeing how comically bent over backwards people get to try to not say the actual definition of a woman, you came along and said, okay, well, now that we've gotten that out of the way, we actually need to define what a woman is.

00:11:24.000 How did this come about for you?

00:11:27.000 So believe it or not, because I'm a controversial figure on the Catholic far dissident right.

00:11:33.000 But believe it or not, we actually pitched this thing, made it as a sequel to Matt Walsh's Daily Wire documentary, What is a Woman?

00:11:44.000 And you could take it two ways.

00:11:46.000 You could say, I'm also close friends with Michael Knowles, and he made this joke first.

00:11:51.000 Matt Walsh, his friend, made a documentary that is an interrogative by its titulate nature.

00:11:57.000 What is a woman? 1.00

00:11:58.000 And it didn't really answer what is a woman. 1.00

00:12:00.000 It answered what a woman is not. 0.93

00:12:02.000 And that's because it ably, very capably, in a very entertaining way, answered what a woman is not a man. 0.51

00:12:11.000 And it responded to the gender dysphoria question.

00:12:14.000 Gender dysphoria is hating the sex that God gave you. 1.00

00:12:18.000 And that's great.

00:12:20.000 But all we got, the only three-second clip of that film that tended to answering the question, since it was an interrogative title, after all, what is a woman, was Matt and his wife standing in the kitchen, and she said, a woman is an adult human-female.

00:12:38.000 I mean, that's really the only one.

00:12:39.000 It could have been the whole movie, really.

00:12:40.000 Yeah.

00:12:41.000 All credits, right?

00:12:42.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:42.000 That's not quite as interesting.

00:12:44.000 Not quite for some reason.

00:12:46.000 But we wanted to answer that question.

00:12:48.000 So we pitched it to Daily Wire as how about a sequel.

00:12:51.000 We pitched it to Matt.

00:12:52.000 We showed it at Daily Wire Studios on that amazing LED screen.

00:12:57.000 And they seriously considered buying it.

00:13:00.000 Ultimately, they're like, this isn't going to surprise you.

00:13:02.000 I have friends in the brass there at Bent Key.

00:13:07.000 And they're like, it's not going to surprise you.

00:13:09.000 This is true.

00:13:10.000 This is beautiful.

00:13:11.000 It ultimately goes a little bit hard for what we want to do.

00:13:17.000 But it's very close to being because it's not inflammatory, which is what everybody expected from me.

00:13:23.000 They're like, it's very close to being what we would want to do as a sequel to this, which actually answers the interrogative in the title.

00:13:32.000 But that's the whole point.

00:13:34.000 And I guess it's a runway for the discussion we're going to have is when you consider what gender dysphoria really is, it's ontological gender dysphoria.

00:13:46.000 It's a claim or a suite of claims about what the two sexes are.

00:13:51.000 And it's really irrelevant because no one really knows many people, if any, that suffer from this.

00:14:01.000 Ontologically hating your own gender or thinking that you can actually be the opposite of what you're born.

00:14:07.000 But there is a kind of gender dysphoria, what I call functional gender dysphoria or behavioral gender dysphoria.

00:14:15.000 Everybody else calls it feminism, where you act like the other sex. 1.00

00:14:20.000 And I don't mean in some LARPy way where we look at some, you know, Black's Law Dictionary and try to reclaim the way we never were.

00:14:31.000 I mean literally just the way everyone knows in their heart that men are supposed to be and we're wired and women are supposed to be because they were wired that way.

00:14:39.000 And the way the Bible reflects it, the way the natural law advocates did, the way Homer and Hesiod talked about it, the way Christians did 100 years ago, 150 years ago. 0.96

00:14:52.000 And functional gender dysphoria, it turns out, afflicts about 99 out of 100 households where their dad's acting like their mom and their mom's acting like their dad because of this, because of feminism.

00:15:03.000 And it's much more subtle.

00:15:05.000 It's more pervasive.

00:15:06.000 There's an old law formula by Judge Learned Hand.

00:15:10.000 It goes, B is less than PL.

00:15:12.000 The burden to make a change to better, to right a wrong, is less than the probability of a loss times the size of a loss.

00:15:20.000 Well, in this analysis, we would say it's a huge P, huge probability because it affects almost everyone.

00:15:31.000 Functional gender dysphoria, feminism. 1.00

00:15:33.000 And it's a huge loss.

00:15:34.000 And arguably, this is what's causing or caused people to have sexual identity questions, whether they're L or G or B or T.

00:15:42.000 But at the very least, it's making men and women miserable. 0.98

00:15:45.000 And there's a bunch of stats showing women are miserable.

00:15:48.000 There's a famous study that Time magazine checks in on every five years done in the 70s called the Paradox of Declining Female Happiness.

00:15:58.000 Since women went to work in 1970, they get less happy every year. 1.00

00:16:03.000 And if you watch TV, you know from like XLACs commercials, 40% of all working women have crippling chronic diarrhea. 1.00

00:16:13.000 They're being placed into a context that makes them miserable.

00:16:17.000 And then they come home.

00:16:19.000 And because they know they really belong there and haven't been, and they're coming home to not a home, but an empty house, they're making their husbands miserable.

00:16:28.000 And everyone's sharing the female duty or duties. 1.00

00:16:32.000 And it turns out that all you have to do is follow the scriptural prescriptions for what a man is, what a woman is. 0.77

00:16:38.000 Or you could, by the way, you could just follow natural prescriptions, things we already know.

00:16:44.000 Even Aristotle or Virgil, or I don't know, Homer or Hesiod get this much correct.

00:16:50.000 But on this matter, on this score, scripture is really affirmative.

00:16:55.000 Yep, that was right.

00:16:56.000 What you thought a man was and what he ought to spend most of his time doing.

00:17:00.000 That was right.

00:17:00.000 Same thing.

00:17:01.000 What the naturalists thought a woman is and should do got it right as well. 1.00

00:17:07.000 Scripture codified that, not just in the Old Testament, but most explicitly in the New Testament.

00:17:13.000 Man's the main character.

00:17:15.000 His wife is his helpmate.

00:17:17.000 There's great dignity in both functions.

00:17:19.000 Man was not made for woman. 1.00

00:17:21.000 Woman was made for man. 1.00

00:17:22.000 That's the Pauline epistles.

00:17:25.000 Man was not made before, man was not made after woman, but before. 0.98

00:17:29.000 So this means something.

00:17:31.000 And the fact that 99 or so out of 100 households aren't tending to it means I thought we should make a movie on it.

00:17:38.000 Because when you actually answer what a woman is, turns out it's the most dangerous cultural and political question you can set out to answer. 0.91

00:17:47.000 Yeah.

00:17:48.000 In the conversations that I've seen you have about this, I would tend to agree.

00:17:52.000 And look, I understand a lot of people in our audience right now are probably in an uncomfortable position because of where we are today.

00:18:00.000 And I would say that I found myself in that uncomfortable position of really not having given a ton of thought to this in a broad way, right?

00:18:08.000 I've understood what feminism is and how it has been something that the left has really used as a tool and a weapon in this fight. 1.00

00:18:17.000 But I, until recently, didn't really grab a hold of how much feminism had invaded and kind of infected in a way the Protestant church. 1.00

00:18:27.000 And I'm sure it's not limited to that, but in my experience, some of the churches that I had gone to, and I was just really shocked by that and shocked by some of the experiences that I had at other churches that didn't have that.

00:18:37.000 And I was like, wow, there was a very stark contrast, a very different approach to things.

00:18:42.000 And so I think it's a very important conversation to have.

00:18:45.000 Now, one thing that, and I keep mentioning Joel Webbin, I recently watched that interview with you and Joel.

00:18:51.000 And I've seen some of Joel's stuff.

00:18:53.000 And I know he's gotten some criticism in a number of different areas.

00:18:56.000 I'm not leveling any of those things against him.

00:18:59.000 I know that we probably will disagree on a few things, but probably agree on the vast majority of things.

00:19:04.000 One of the things I think you guys did a really good job of is pointing out that, look, like the red pill guys have gotten it wrong.

00:19:10.000 They've accurately, to some degree, identified a problem that we have, but the prescription is actually completely immoral.

00:19:18.000 Right.

00:19:18.000 Yeah.

00:19:19.000 And is absolutely separate from the Bible.

00:19:21.000 So when you approached solving this, and Joel held the same belief, you know, right?

00:19:26.000 You guys both agreed that that is, you know, like we don't want to take Andrew Tate's advice on how to fix this problem necessarily.

00:19:33.000 Identifying the problem, I think he's probably gotten a lot of that part correct, maybe not all, but a lot of it.

00:19:39.000 When you set out to kind of diagnose this and to define what a woman is, Where did you draw from the most, right?

00:19:50.000 So I know, you know, the patristic fathers, scripture, like all those things are going to influence, but was that your basis for going, hey, here's what a woman is, guys?

00:20:00.000 You may not like it.

00:20:01.000 You may love it, but this is what God says a woman is. 1.00

00:20:05.000 Yeah, I think that that's a good way to approach the answer.

00:20:09.000 Think about it like this.

00:20:13.000 I don't want to hedge over much when I critique the red pill.

00:20:17.000 And the end of our documentary, What a Woman Is, tends to this in about five minutes.

00:20:24.000 It tends to the red pill really effectively.

00:20:26.000 It's very powerful, Sue, by the way.

00:20:28.000 I saw that, and that was really strong ending.

00:20:30.000 Well, thanks.

00:20:31.000 Yeah, those last four minutes hit hard.

00:20:31.000 Thanks.

00:20:33.000 Yeah.

00:20:34.000 They hit you in your feels.

00:20:37.000 Think about it like this.

00:20:39.000 Everyone is softcore feminist, almost everyone. 1.00

00:20:44.000 And it's pervaded Christianity wholly. 0.87

00:20:48.000 The host is infected, basically.

00:20:50.000 And I don't care whether you're talking Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox is smaller, but Catholic and Protestant are really, really, really pervaded by feminism. 1.00

00:21:00.000 In the 1970s, I think 1976, twice as many women identified as a feminist, but they were far less afflicted by it.

00:21:10.000 And there are ways there are metrics you can show this.

00:21:13.000 Suffice to say, qualitatively right now, half or less, half or fewer of the women that 50 years ago identified as feminist identify as feminist, but it's more been normalized.

00:21:27.000 The over-to-tin window in the 80s and 90s, and then again in the early aughts, really aggressively normalized and shifted that O window left.

00:21:38.000 So what used to be considered feminist isn't anymore. 1.00

00:21:43.000 So the reason that the red pill did do some good, because my book, The Case for Patriarchy, and here it is right here, I brought you a copy.

00:21:52.000 Oh, yeah, thank you very much.

00:21:53.000 It came out in 21.

00:21:56.000 And I thought it was going to be totally overlooked.

00:22:00.000 But in late 22, 23, the red pill really popped off, even with the kind of girl red pill, Pearl Davis, who we were friendly with.

00:22:12.000 And all they were really doing was saying correctly there is a problem.

00:22:18.000 And it had been really hard to say there is a problem with women in society. 1.00

00:22:23.000 It just like without making a joke, without making it like you're caricaturing it.

00:22:28.000 It's so true, though. 0.98

00:22:30.000 Guys, come on.

00:22:31.000 Even if you're right to say, hey, there's a problem in this group.

00:22:34.000 And it's not, again, it's not all women, but we have a problem generally.

00:22:38.000 Like you'd get met with some pretty sharp criticism very quickly, not just from women, but from other men.

00:22:44.000 From other men, from white knights, because the first rule of feminism, the way they guarded their color revolution was to inoculate against any, any, any criticism. 1.00

00:22:55.000 So the first rule of feminism is never, ever, ever, ever, ever, for any reason at any time, say anything negative about a woman. 1.00

00:23:02.000 If women, I don't know, are murdering their babies to the tune of however many million abortions happen every five years, blame it on the nearest man. 1.00

00:23:13.000 Even though legally, it's pretty much a guarantee men aren't allowed to decide.

00:23:17.000 Even a married man can't stop his wife from getting an abortion. 1.00

00:23:21.000 But somehow make that a man issue.

00:23:23.000 Andrew Wilson calls this, what about the men, though?

00:23:25.000 The problem.

00:23:26.000 So if you can't ever attack women, then no one can just say, look, women are out of control. 1.00

00:23:31.000 The average weight of an American woman for a five-foot, three and a half woman is 170 pounds. 1.00

00:23:37.000 That's fat.

00:23:38.000 Wow.

00:23:39.000 I'm not trying.

00:23:40.000 Five, three and a half, 170 pounds.

00:23:41.000 Five, three and a half, 170 pounds.

00:23:43.000 Now, there's some ethnic, you know, we could, we could get into that, but, but let's just take the broad thing.

00:23:48.000 Body positivity, you know, it varies by ethnicity, but that's still too fat.

00:23:56.000 You can't say that, or you couldn't say that before the red pill.

00:24:00.000 Women's bodies counts are just shooting through the roof in the first two years of college. 1.00

00:24:04.000 I have all the stats on that too.

00:24:06.000 So, women who are supposed to be little women, you know, demure, thin, pretty helpmeats. 1.00

00:24:12.000 Literally, they're made out of man's rib meat to guard his heart are fat and slutty. 1.00

00:24:20.000 I don't know how else to say it. 0.99

00:24:21.000 By and large, not all of them, but that sums up what you've said.

00:24:24.000 Yes.

00:24:24.000 That sums up what I said.

00:24:26.000 So this is a problem.

00:24:28.000 And the red pill was really starkly calling this out in the last few months of 22 and 23.

00:24:34.000 I watch it closely because I have a vested interest.

00:24:37.000 But all they're doing, and that's better than all of the white knight cucked Christian men in the longhouse. 0.99

00:24:43.000 That's better than all the normie white knight secular guys, better than most of normie conservatives. 0.63

00:24:52.000 So I'll take it.

00:24:53.000 It's a little better.

00:24:54.000 I mean, it's better, but it's only a little better.

00:24:56.000 Here's why.

00:24:57.000 All they did is diagnose, I have a raging headache.

00:25:00.000 That's all Red Pill did.

00:25:01.000 All they did is they said, this is a raging headache.

00:25:04.000 And everyone knew we had a raging headache, but they just gotten used to it or accepted it.

00:25:10.000 That on the average, women in Western civilization are a raging headache. 1.00

00:25:16.000 And the Red Pill provided a valuable service.

00:25:19.000 This is it.

00:25:20.000 That was their diagnosis.

00:25:22.000 Now, like their prescription was terrible.

00:25:25.000 What are they saying to do? 1.00

00:25:26.000 They're saying to be vile man sluts and to bastard. 1.00

00:25:34.000 Actually, they're saying MGTOW is what it's called. 1.00

00:25:37.000 They're saying the same thing feminists are, but for men, it's a gay cruiser lifestyle. 1.00

00:25:40.000 For men, it's all population control advocacy, both feminism and red pill, because they're all saying the solution to the other side, like Spider-Man pointing at each other. 0.61

00:25:50.000 One side's got a, you know, external pee-pee, the other side doesn't.

00:25:54.000 All they're saying is don't have lots of kids, don't have any kids.

00:26:00.000 And if you have any kids, don't have them within the context of a Christian family. 1.00

00:26:04.000 Red pill and feminism, when you look at it, is some combination of Judeo-Muslim. 1.00

00:26:10.000 Basically, if you look at all the operators, that's who it is.

00:26:14.000 And so great.

00:26:16.000 I slightly favor Red Pill because they're saying there is a huge headache.

00:26:20.000 Right.

00:26:20.000 Well, that's as wrong as feminism.

00:26:22.000 In diagnosing that we, in fact, do have a problem.

00:26:26.000 Like, I think Red Pill kind of pushed the envelope.

00:26:28.000 And, you know, I think you see similar situations like this for us.

00:26:32.000 We obviously on this show were demonetized and we were pushing the envelope and being called every kind of, I don't know, abusive name under the sun saying that we are racist or sexist or homophobic or all these things.

00:26:45.000 And so at certain points, you just go, well, I'm just going to lean into it a little bit and do it as kind of a way to be edgy or joking, you know, and just be like, you can't tell me what to say.

00:26:54.000 And it seems like a bit of that is what Red Pill's doing.

00:26:57.000 It's like, well, this is, we're just going to lean completely into it.

00:26:59.000 And whether or not they believe it or not, or if they're just doing it for clicks or doing it because they just want to sleep with a bunch of chicks and have some kind of a backing for it in their mind, they are at least exposing a real problem.

00:27:11.000 So the problem's not fake.

00:27:13.000 It's there.

00:27:14.000 And they're exposing that.

00:27:14.000 So that's good, but they take tragic turns with it, unfortunately.

00:27:19.000 So tell me, I mean, without giving it too much away, kind of finish your thought on what a woman is and how that's different from what the red pill patriarch guys are pushing.

00:27:33.000 Because I throw patriarch on there because they would be in that category to a degree, but probably not by the same definition that you are.

00:27:40.000 Make no mistake, patriarchy means power to fathers.

00:27:43.000 So, because it means power to fathers, you have to advocate for siring children within a Christian family, and they don't. 0.99

00:27:52.000 So, I wouldn't say they count or qualify, but the question still stands: what are we saying a woman is that they don't?

00:28:01.000 Well, for one thing, patriarchy is a synonym for Christianity.

00:28:06.000 You know, Catholic and Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox say Christianity is a bimodal patriarchy. 0.64

00:28:12.000 There's a clerical patriarchy, all men, it's comprised of the episcopate. 0.91

00:28:19.000 And there's a lower familial patriarchy, which are fathers leading their household.

00:28:25.000 Pope John Paul II called it the ecclesiola, the home, the church in miniature, and men are the priest, prophet, kings of the home.

00:28:32.000 Pope John Paul II actually called himself the feminist pope, so he was of sort of two minds on this, but he said a lot of good stuff.

00:28:39.000 Don't worry, it wasn't ex-cathedra, so I guess we're fine.

00:28:41.000 No, it wasn't, but no, that wasn't.

00:28:43.000 Oh, heavens.

00:28:44.000 If that had been ex-Cathedral, we'd be sunk.

00:28:46.000 Is it Cathedra or Cathedra, or does it matter?

00:28:49.000 It doesn't matter because no one, there's no real Latin accent speaks it anymore.

00:28:53.000 Yeah.

00:28:55.000 Except if you go to a Tridentine Latin church.

00:28:58.000 But here's the thing among Protestants, yeah, they acknowledge Christianity is the patriarchy too.

00:29:05.000 So when feminists say F the patriarchy, I'm not sure if we could say it here, but when they say the patriarchy, they are saying F Christianity. 0.63

00:29:16.000 And it's really naked.

00:29:19.000 When you look at the history of feminism, which I'd like to talk about in a second, I just want to allude to it right now. 0.72

00:29:25.000 It's really clear that the first feminists in the late 1840s were all witches.

00:29:31.000 They rewrote the Bible.

00:29:33.000 Elizabeth Cady Stanton, who was kind of the leader, said you need a new Bible if you're going to do Christian feminism because the Bible, Old Testament and New Testament, is completely unapologetically patriarchy.

00:29:45.000 Christianity is patriarchy. 0.80

00:29:48.000 It is male leadership.

00:29:49.000 And women, what are they? 1.00

00:29:52.000 How do you answer what a woman is from a Christian perspective?

00:29:55.000 Well, they're fundamentally a helpmeet.

00:29:58.000 And this is the term that's been used for hundreds of years.

00:30:02.000 Help meet.

00:30:05.000 They are made from the rib.

00:30:07.000 And even the first patristic fathers say she was made not from the head.

00:30:12.000 That would mean she's an equal in all things.

00:30:14.000 She's equal in dignity, but not equal in rank, not equal in rights.

00:30:18.000 She's made from the rib, not from the foot. 0.56

00:30:22.000 She's not to be trampled under the way the red pill would have it.

00:30:26.000 But she is not man's equal.

00:30:30.000 And saying this is not something I'm saying, I'm announcing triumphalistically or I'm not making it making jokes because you could eschew that.

00:30:39.000 I'm saying literally it's a different answer to the question than the Jewish or Muslim red pill would give. 0.91

00:30:46.000 You know, they give this view of like, ha ha ha, women are like dogs or children, treat them that way. 1.00

00:30:52.000 No, they're adults.

00:30:53.000 They're second in charge in the family.

00:30:55.000 But they are, as the scripture says eight times in the New Testament, they have to obey their husbands in all things.

00:31:03.000 That's really stark.

00:31:04.000 They are there to guard man's heart.

00:31:06.000 Man is to guard them and their bodies and lead them to heaven.

00:31:10.000 That's not at all what you get from the red pill.

00:31:12.000 The red pill says a woman will betray you. 1.00

00:31:15.000 They're all Jezebels. 0.86

00:31:16.000 This isn't just, this isn't some accidental property of modernity where women have veered off what God designed them to be. 1.00

00:31:24.000 The red pill thinks women are fundamentally flawed. 1.00

00:31:28.000 Christianity teaches in scripture.

00:31:30.000 I really want to stick to scripture.

00:31:32.000 Yeah.

00:31:32.000 Hey, I'm Protestant.

00:31:33.000 That's totally fine.

00:31:34.000 Yeah, yeah, let's go.

00:31:35.000 Let's go.

00:31:36.000 We're back, bro.

00:31:37.000 Let's stick to scripture on this one.

00:31:39.000 The popes all verify this and draw out the teaching in a way you would really like.

00:31:46.000 You'd be fine with.

00:31:48.000 But a woman has as much dignity as a man, but she's far lower in rank here on earth than man. 0.95

00:31:54.000 She needs to be protected.

00:31:55.000 She reigns as queen, second in charge in the home, but nowhere else. 0.61

00:32:00.000 So Pope Pius XI was really clear on this.

00:32:06.000 If a woman leaves the home to go to, I don't know, do a show like we're doing, a couple of men talking to each other in the public square the way we should be, she's no longer queen.

00:32:17.000 She is now subject to all kinds of, you know, sexual belittlement and physical assault. 1.00

00:32:24.000 And even if she's not belittled or assaulted in a way she knows, she's being gawked at.

00:32:29.000 She's not queen outside of the home. 0.93

00:32:31.000 She's queen inside the home. 0.99

00:32:32.000 Her king loves her, but is in charge of her.

00:32:35.000 And she does everything he says, and it works really beautifully.

00:32:40.000 Whereas when women are invited out of the home, the way they were really robustly encouraged to leave the home, starting in 1848, that's the red letter date of first wave feminism. 0.86

00:32:53.000 They were basically all Luciferians, theosophists, all of the women at this first feminist convention, the Seneca Falls Convention of 1848.

00:33:03.000 They prove, if you look at the notes, they knew what they were doing.

00:33:06.000 This was the uncoupling, the diswiring of Christendom as we know it.

00:33:11.000 If you do, you just start the battle of the sexes when you start with functional gender dysphoria, telling women they need to be men functionally. 0.66

00:33:20.000 You need to go out into the public square where women never had a place. 1.00

00:33:24.000 Women are supposed to be passive. 1.00

00:33:27.000 Man is the active principle.

00:33:28.000 Women are supposed to be receptive. 1.00

00:33:30.000 Man are the expressive principle.

00:33:32.000 All these things we even know from the marital act are true when we look at the oikonomia of society, the way it functions. 0.99

00:33:39.000 Women are best there in the home. 1.00

00:33:42.000 And once they start going out of the home, you get troubles.

00:33:46.000 Maybe we can talk about the history, but that's the good starter, I think.

00:33:50.000 Well, yeah.

00:33:50.000 So how, you know, and I want to make sure that I present some questions that I think the audience might have or somebody who's just kind of walking through this at an early stage, looking at what feminism is and does and looking at what the Bible prescribes.

00:34:02.000 How do you answer detractors?

00:34:04.000 I think it's very important not to strawman a detractor's argument, but to try to find like the legitimate real question that people can go, okay, that seems like a genuine answer to it.

00:34:14.000 So if somebody is a detractor and says, well, yeah, but aren't you limiting the agency of a woman by doing that?

00:34:20.000 Or doesn't this become a little bit overbearing?

00:34:22.000 Or isn't feminism really something that is an outgrowing of maybe oppression in the home? 1.00

00:34:28.000 And yeah, maybe women should have been in that role, but men abdicated their responsibilities to effectively be kind of like Christ is to man, like that to their women and not really laying down their lives and loving them and having kind of a sacrificial love for them.

00:34:42.000 Like, how do you answer kind of that critique and that challenge to this from somebody who is well-meaning, not somebody who's just trying to start an argument?

00:34:49.000 Yeah, I get you.

00:34:49.000 I get you.

00:34:50.000 Well, the first and best answer in law, we always talk about a last and a best offer, but here's the first and the best.

00:35:01.000 My audience is Christian, not just Catholics, but Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox.

00:35:06.000 We all agree on scripture.

00:35:09.000 This is a non-negotiable set of principles about intersexuality.

00:35:15.000 Man was created first. 1.00

00:35:18.000 Woman was made from his rib before the fall, mind you, pre-lapsarian. 0.99

00:35:24.000 So we're not just talking, oh, as a function of original sin, post-lapsarian.

00:35:28.000 That's why man, it would still functionally mean man has to be in charge.

00:35:31.000 But sometimes quasi-feminists will say, oh, pre-lapsarian, we were equal. 0.99

00:35:36.000 We were never equal.

00:35:38.000 Man was made first. 1.00

00:35:39.000 God made first. 0.82

00:35:39.000 I don't think there's a lot of debate there, right? 0.82

00:35:42.000 So kind of the starting, the jumping off point is this.

00:35:44.000 The question then becomes, okay, well, then what does that mean?

00:35:47.000 And how does that mean I should live my life in a way that honors Christ?

00:35:52.000 Well, what we object to as right-wingers, I think you as much as me, but I could definitely speak for myself is a dissident right-winger.

00:36:05.000 It's a function of gynocracy and gynocentrism is that we consider tone before truth. 0.97

00:36:13.000 I mean, first, let's make sure we're getting the truth right.

00:36:15.000 And then let's make sure that our tone of voice is appropriate.

00:36:20.000 Like the show is called, you know, Stephen's show is called Louder with Crowder, right?

00:36:23.000 And that's, it's like, you know, if I'm speaking a little loud, then excuse me.

00:36:29.000 Do some apologies with Gerald about being louder with Crowder, you know?

00:36:33.000 But first, let's just tend to it.

00:36:35.000 And let me put it starkly.

00:36:36.000 I think this puts a lot of the tonal concerns, the equipoisal concerns that people might have to rest.

00:36:46.000 If you are a Christian, if you're a Christian, not if you're Jewish, not if you're Muslim, not if you worship Vishnu, by the many arms of Vishnu, I'm talking only to Christians. 0.93

00:37:01.000 We all agree that every word of scripture is inerrant.

00:37:06.000 Can't be wrong.

00:37:07.000 Okay.

00:37:08.000 So so many places, it's almost in every Pauline epistle of scripture.

00:37:14.000 Paul inerrantly says woman was made for man, not man for woman.

00:37:18.000 This is not what you see out in the, when I leave this door, I see a giant exit sign.

00:37:25.000 You go out into the gynocracy. 1.00

00:37:26.000 It's the matrix.

00:37:27.000 This is what the red pill gets right.

00:37:31.000 Once we step back into the matrix of society, no one talks about it like that, even though most people are Christians. 0.99

00:37:40.000 So I am 100% comfortable if we have a room of 100 people in here and let's say 90 of them identify as Christian.

00:37:50.000 Some of them are serious and practicing.

00:37:51.000 Some of them aren't.

00:37:52.000 But I'm just like, I'm addressing anyone that even nominally identifies as a Christian.

00:37:56.000 The other 10, it would be like, could you please, could you please leave for my speech?

00:38:01.000 But 90 out of 10, I'm totally comfortable with those numbers, right?

00:38:05.000 And we can evangelize the other 10 at some other time.

00:38:08.000 That's another, that's another issue.

00:38:09.000 But I'm talking about core Christian creedal scriptural teaching that all three major types of Christian agree with.

00:38:18.000 Women are not equal in rights with men. 1.00

00:38:21.000 That doesn't mean we like talk about them like they're dogs the way the red pill does. 0.88

00:38:26.000 That's terrible.

00:38:27.000 And that really, I think, is a limited hangout.

00:38:29.000 I think the red pill is ultimately a limited hangout.

00:38:31.000 All those guys have agency, ABC, Intel connections.

00:38:37.000 And I think it's just disinfo.

00:38:40.000 And Jay Dyer agrees with me on that much because they're just making it look silly, like, oh, get back in the kitchen.

00:38:46.000 Well, I mean, women are happiest in the kitchen. 1.00

00:38:49.000 You know, in our documentary, we talked to women that were in law school, med school, business school, Ivy League. 0.81

00:38:55.000 And they're like, all I was doing on my laptop in law school, business school, med school was fantasizing about how to cook, how to bake extra cool stuff and how to be home with my kid.

00:39:06.000 So it's not like get back in the kitchen where you kick them, you know, by force.

00:39:10.000 That's where they want to be.

00:39:12.000 Michael Knowles cites in his book, Speechless, a great, great, fascinating dialogue between Simone de Beauvoir and Betty Friedan.

00:39:22.000 And Simone de Beauvoir was like, we're doing feminism in France the forceful way. 1.00

00:39:26.000 How are you Americans who love freedom going to do it?

00:39:28.000 And Betty Friedan was like, we use shame because force doesn't work in America. 1.00

00:39:33.000 We have to use shame.

00:39:34.000 We shame women out of the home. 1.00

00:39:36.000 And both of them agreed, whether force or shame, if you left women to doing what they really want to do without shaming them or forcing them, they will stay in the home. 0.98

00:39:45.000 They'll be into baking, cooking, cleaning, sewing, needlework, all the product, beautifying the home, tending to kids, all the stuff that in law school, when I went there, I would always see all the girls, their laptops from the back of the classroom where I always sat. 1.00

00:40:02.000 They're always just looking into girly stuff.

00:40:04.000 But they've been shamed or, you know, if they're like Muslim students or something, forced by their parents into law school by the patriarch of their home, they've been forced to law or med school.

00:40:15.000 What career do you want to do?

00:40:16.000 It's an op.

00:40:18.000 And so really, the tone follows the truth on this one really easily.

00:40:23.000 Once everyone gets their head around the idea that every bit of this from the cradle to the grave has been an op and that girls who want to follow their inclinations and just go home, play with their baby, not be stressed out. 0.99

00:40:39.000 I like that my wife can sleep in. 1.00

00:40:41.000 Get your beauty rest.

00:40:42.000 That's why it's called beauty rest. 0.90

00:40:44.000 Women shouldn't have to be getting up and grinding and hustling the way their husbands are. 1.00

00:40:49.000 Let the man do that.

00:40:51.000 They can get up at nine, homeschool your kids, bake.

00:40:55.000 I have seven daughters.

00:40:56.000 Teach your daughters to do their thing. 0.79

00:40:58.000 This is what they naturally want to do.

00:41:00.000 And once you let them do that and you get away from the Betty Friedan shame or the Simone de Beauvoir force, women all want to be home.

00:41:09.000 What about, so what about women today that might say, you know what, I don't know that I would. 1.00

00:41:14.000 I don't know that I would like to be home.

00:41:16.000 For whatever reason, maybe they really actually would and don't really understand that.

00:41:20.000 Maybe they've been steeped in feminism so long. 1.00

00:41:22.000 It's just such a drastic change.

00:41:25.000 Or maybe genuinely they just are like, no, I don't.

00:41:29.000 How do you answer that?

00:41:30.000 Because this would be a dramatic societal shift for this country.

00:41:36.000 And it was a dramatic shift, obviously, to come to where we are today.

00:41:40.000 And it happened over, you know, 1848.

00:41:43.000 It's approaching 200 years.

00:41:45.000 It's getting very, very distant.

00:41:47.000 Is that the same kind of process?

00:41:49.000 Kind of, I guess, as a second question that you think it would take to reverse that.

00:41:53.000 But how do you answer them first off?

00:41:56.000 Zeroth position before we answer first off is this would be a broad restoration of Christendom.

00:41:56.000 Okay.

00:42:02.000 Imagine if just when you went to work, it was all dudes. 0.73

00:42:06.000 And when you were out and about during the day, it was mostly dudes.

00:42:06.000 Yeah.

00:42:09.000 Because single women have always worked and had to work until they were. 1.00

00:42:13.000 This is a prescription for married women, essentially. 1.00

00:42:16.000 Yes, all of the Christian prescriptions are for married women.

00:42:19.000 This does influence the expectation at the outset of single women, though. 0.97

00:42:24.000 They're just doing something so they don't starve until they get married within the Christian parameters that I'm describing.

00:42:33.000 We're not talking like go build a career first, have a family later either, because that seems to be a perversion of that.

00:42:38.000 That would be a perversion of that.

00:42:40.000 But yeah, women who have to work a part-time job or it's better to work a better part-time job. 1.00

00:42:46.000 Everyone understands that until you get married.

00:42:48.000 But we're talking about not just when you have kids, which was the limited hangout sort of half conservative thing that even Laura Schlesinger was talking about in the 90s.

00:42:57.000 Don't work after you have kids.

00:42:59.000 Don't work after you have a husband. 0.97

00:43:01.000 That's the clear scriptural prescription.

00:43:04.000 The Roman catechism from the Council of Trent says it very clearly.

00:43:08.000 Women are to stay home. 1.00

00:43:09.000 They're to love staying home.

00:43:11.000 Very rarely does the church or the Bible tell us not only what we should do, but what our disposition about it should be.

00:43:17.000 You should enthusiastically love to stay home, obey your husbands in all things.

00:43:22.000 What I would, okay, so having said all that.

00:43:24.000 So Christian married women who hear this and go, I don't know that I just want to stay home. 0.55

00:43:30.000 How do we answer that?

00:43:31.000 Right.

00:43:32.000 We would answer like virtue is not an act, but a habit, right?

00:43:36.000 So, of course, this is true.

00:43:38.000 Like, what I would answer with is men who are steeped in prawn.

00:43:45.000 Let's let's call it that.

00:43:47.000 Again, I don't know what you're they, a lot of men who are really, really steeped in a really nasty habit, like prawn.

00:43:53.000 We'll say porn, you can say, Yeah, we'll clip for YouTube and stuff that we get around that. 0.96

00:43:57.000 They have stupid word rules on these other platforms, not on Rumble. 0.98

00:44:01.000 No, it's it's annoying. 0.99

00:44:02.000 It's very annoying.

00:44:04.000 I don't, I don't like having to self-censor.

00:44:05.000 So, men who are steeped in pornographic habits, um, the really bad ones, the ones that are, who are really badly trapped by it, would say, no, I don't, I don't want to, you know, I'm happy where I'm at.

00:44:21.000 And it turns out happiness is a broadly equivocal term.

00:44:26.000 It can mean from the base animal conception of it, it would just be pleasure.

00:44:32.000 And pornography does confer some pleasures.

00:44:35.000 That's why men get trapped there. 0.73

00:44:37.000 But when we talk about the highest Christian estimation of it, it's Aristotelian eudaimonia.

00:44:42.000 This means a moral, true happiness that's aimed at the good.

00:44:47.000 And so along the spectrum of men who are not at all ready at the bottom to get rid of their pornographic habits, to men who are considering it because they know it's toxic, to men who are one, they're ready to get rid of it.

00:45:01.000 They just don't know how.

00:45:02.000 Think of that as the spectrum of.

00:45:04.000 I've been through all of that, by the way.

00:45:06.000 Praise God, I'm at the last part.

00:45:08.000 Sure.

00:45:08.000 Oh, God bless you.

00:45:10.000 So it's the same thing with women with the pornographic habit of, or I should say the dysphoric habit of acting like dudes. 0.99

00:45:17.000 And they've been groomed, usually in most cases by their fathers to act like a dude since they're, do you want to be a lawyer, a doctor, an astronaut, or a football player, little girl?

00:45:26.000 You know, this is how we're grooming them.

00:45:28.000 Or a WNBA star.

00:45:29.000 15 people to watch.

00:45:30.000 Don't worry.

00:45:31.000 Or an NBA star.

00:45:32.000 Yeah, you can.

00:45:32.000 WNBA.

00:45:33.000 You can have literally dozens of fans if you go into the WNBA.

00:45:38.000 It's an interesting product.

00:45:39.000 So let me, really quickly, as I hope I'm not interrupting you too much, but I want to highlight something.

00:45:45.000 It is in the convincing of virtue.

00:45:47.000 You don't have to convince a man that a pornography, a Christian man, that pornography is bad and that ending a pornographic addiction would probably be in line with scripture and be also a good thing potentially, even though they may resist it and not want to. 0.57

00:46:01.000 At a base level, scripture's pretty clear on how we should approach sex as a man, right?

00:46:09.000 I think scripture's far clearer on intersexuality.

00:46:12.000 Maybe so, but I don't think for this specific topic that most men would have to be convinced that watching sexual acts of other women and men together would be a sin, right?

00:46:23.000 And go, okay, we don't really have to have that conversation.

00:46:25.000 It's mostly like, okay, how do you defeat this?

00:46:28.000 How do you actually get to a point where you get on, you know, like you said, you kind of get entangled by it or entrapped by it, but how do you unwind that is really most of the conversation that you have.

00:46:40.000 And I'm sure there's a segment of people that would say, no, it's actually not bad, blah, blah, blah.

00:46:45.000 There may be reasons for that, but it doesn't seem like there's much argument there for the practice of patriarchy, not the idea.

00:46:52.000 And I want to separate those two because the idea of patriarchy, yes, I'll listen to my husband.

00:46:56.000 He is a spiritual head of the household, kind of satisfies a part of that for a lot of women, I would think, not really taking it down to the level of the famous red dress questionnaire.

00:47:06.000 You know, if you do you have the right to ask your wife to wear a red dress, right? 0.97

00:47:09.000 If you have enough red dresses, exactly, right?

00:47:12.000 Do you have enough red dresses theoretically? 0.77

00:47:14.000 Can a husband do that? 0.83

00:47:15.000 So what do you say to that Christian woman? 0.99

00:47:19.000 And that was the question.

00:47:21.000 And for me, the answer that you kind of just gave me is like, well, you have to convince them of the virtuousness of the acts, not just the first act of, well, he's a spiritual head of the household, but all of the subsequent stuff that I think maybe is the gray area for a lot of women.

00:47:35.000 Is that, do you see that?

00:47:36.000 Like, do you see some women grab a hold of it in part, but not in full? 0.99

00:47:40.000 What I've seen, and we're also marriage coaches for Catholic women, my wife and I.

00:47:47.000 So what we see when we get in there and we start getting our hands dirty talking to the man and the woman involved in a Catholic relationship is a lot of propaganda and a lot of flat out nescience and ignorance by teaching, which we call propaganda, by churchmen and Catholics. 0.65

00:48:09.000 And there's a lot of this in the Protestant world as well, on what scripture requires.

00:48:14.000 So that's why I'm not trying to beat a drum, but all I'm saying is you could go to scripture and it says eight different times.

00:48:22.000 Wives must obey their husbands in all things. 0.99

00:48:25.000 Women are not allowed to teach. 1.00

00:48:26.000 The only thing that they're allowed to teach are younger married women to follow and obey their husbands. 1.00

00:48:31.000 And that's really what they need.

00:48:33.000 So to your point, the churches have been taken over in a lot of ways.

00:48:38.000 So they're not taught that. 0.54

00:48:39.000 Men are taught that porn is bad by other men and by the church typically sex is reserved for marriage, right? 0.52

00:48:44.000 I've had a lot of Christian men tell me, look, I don't think it's bad.

00:48:49.000 I've had this conversation with a lot of Protestants, actually, because they don't have the benefit of the magisterial kind of gloss on scripture.

00:48:58.000 They say, where does it?

00:48:59.000 It talks about pornea one time, but pornea is the Greek term for any kind of sexual impropriety.

00:49:05.000 That doesn't just mean pornography.

00:49:07.000 There's not as much scriptural teaching against pornography.

00:49:11.000 And I'm not saying pornography is not that.

00:49:13.000 No, I'm making the case for it.

00:49:14.000 No, I'm making the case that it's much clearer a scriptural case against feminism. 1.00

00:49:18.000 But not taught is my thing.

00:49:20.000 Maybe that's why I have to do it.

00:49:22.000 No, that's why it falls to.

00:49:23.000 Look, this is perverse.

00:49:24.000 Yeah.

00:49:25.000 It's less perverse to a Protestant, but it's completely perverse to a Catholic or an Orthodox that the main expositors of the teaching here comes from a Catholic. 0.63

00:49:40.000 I mean, a Catholic layman.

00:49:41.000 And that's what it is.

00:49:43.000 It's fallen, ironically, after Vatican II, liberalizing Vatican II, which wanted to see the lay people step up.

00:49:50.000 Maybe it's not so ironic.

00:49:51.000 Maybe it just makes sense.

00:49:53.000 It's fallen to the right-wing Catholic laymen to step up and say, well, the priests aren't teaching this.

00:50:01.000 The priests are white-knighting for the women, just like the rest of society. 0.98

00:50:05.000 So all I'm going to do is point you to this line or that line or that line in scripture.

00:50:11.000 And I'm a little surprised, by the way, to hear, and sorry, I know your throat's a little sore right now.

00:50:16.000 You got your voice back a couple of days ago, so that was good.

00:50:18.000 Good timing there.

00:50:19.000 Thank God.

00:50:20.000 I'm a little surprised to hear that it is that pervasive within the Catholic Church.

00:50:26.000 As a Protestant, I know that one of the benefits and insane drawbacks of Protestantism is, well, at least from my perspective, I doubt that you would agree with me, is the lack of central authority.

00:50:40.000 And I think it's good in some ways because it protects against kind of the sin of man.

00:50:45.000 Anytime man is involved in something, it has a tendency, like the Jews prior to Christ coming back, to become completely different than what God had originally intended, right? 1.00

00:50:55.000 Men trying to do what was right in their own eyes, essentially.

00:50:58.000 But one of the horrible things about it is it doesn't have that kind of central driving force of people to say, no, this is how we've always done it.

00:51:06.000 And here's why.

00:51:07.000 There's like this very well thought out tradition from the patriarchs.

00:51:10.000 And I think that's where Protestants really miss the boat a lot. 0.98

00:51:12.000 But in Catholicism, you have that.

00:51:14.000 In Catholicism, you should just be able to be like, hey, guys, what are we doing here? 0.51

00:51:18.000 Like this entire system is set up and being passed down from the early church fathers to us after these councils to kind of get together and say, what does this really mean to live as a Christian now?

00:51:30.000 Not just taking these words, but applying them to our lives.

00:51:33.000 I'm surprised they can't just point back and go, get in line.

00:51:36.000 Well, it does work well, but we church improves in God's time, not our time.

00:51:44.000 So after, and this is a whole other topic, but after the Second Vatican Council from 1962 to 1965, with all of the trappings of those hippie-ish years in the world, that was the 21st Ecumenical Catholic Council.

00:52:01.000 And it, upon that council, followed something called the spirit of Vatican II, which was liberalizing.

00:52:09.000 The documents aren't really so bad, but they were written in a way that has been referred to as weaponized ambiguity to pave the way for feminism. 1.00

00:52:19.000 There were zero doctors of the Catholic Church before Vatican II.

00:52:23.000 In 2000 years, now there are four doctors of the Catholic Church who are female.

00:52:27.000 There are zero female doctors. 0.95

00:52:28.000 Oh, female. 1.00

00:52:29.000 I was like, huh, what?

00:52:30.000 What are you talking about?

00:52:31.000 Sorry, I'm recovering from this flu.

00:52:32.000 I still have this haze, but zero feet.

00:52:34.000 You're like, well, why talk about doctors of the church at all then?

00:52:38.000 There are also zero basketball players of the Catholic Church.

00:52:41.000 There are zero female doctors of the Catholic Church before Vatican II.

00:52:45.000 Now there are four.

00:52:46.000 All kinds of sexual ethics.

00:52:48.000 Bishop Robert Barron calls them the pelvic issues, which have been made leniency by the so-called spirit of Vatican II.

00:52:56.000 All kinds of liberalizing and modernizing after Vatican II.

00:53:01.000 And only now, really during Francis' tenure as Pope number 266, I was a major critic of Francis, as you could probably guess.

00:53:11.000 Only during, he like accelerated it all and people woke up to it.

00:53:16.000 And a lot of Zoomers now, the only Catholic, more Catholic than Protestant American generation ever, they're going back to the true teachings that were always on the books, but were not really being properly enforced. 1.00

00:53:32.000 So what you're saying you'd like to see happen, vis-à-vis feminism, is happening. 0.99

00:53:37.000 And that's, I guess, what I'm a part of.

00:53:39.000 Is it at the infancy stage, essentially?

00:53:41.000 Yes.

00:53:42.000 Because I'll tell you this much.

00:53:43.000 I went on Matt Frad's show, who's now a part of Daily Wire in 2019.

00:53:49.000 And I announced on his show, this is when I was still on Taylor Marshall's channel.

00:53:55.000 I announced the writing of this book, shared some stories, shared my motivation for writing it.

00:54:00.000 Women are out of control. 1.00

00:54:02.000 And Matt was aghast. 0.94

00:54:04.000 He was terrified.

00:54:05.000 He's a non-controversial fellow.

00:54:09.000 And shortly after that, his friend, Trent Horne, said, I want to bring Tim on to debate him about some of the things he said on Matt's channel the previous month.

00:54:20.000 I think this was August 2019, then September 2019.

00:54:24.000 And we did this double debate on Trent Horne's show in Catholic Answer Studio.

00:54:28.000 One was on feminism, creamed him there. 1.00

00:54:32.000 The other one was on the death penalty.

00:54:33.000 Same story.

00:54:35.000 But in 2019, this is how much the O window has shifted to the right, which never before happened in my lifetime or your lifetime.

00:54:43.000 In the last six or seven years, you couldn't even say the things that I was saying were motivating me to write the books, much less cite the things I'm citing in the book and prove the case.

00:54:53.000 But I published it two years later, and there wasn't a huge reception, bad or good for it, until after the red pill sort of busted all this stuff loose in the popular culture. 0.60

00:55:08.000 And now people are here for it.

00:55:10.000 Now we have a major documentary on a major channel, another Catholic channel, another Catholics channel.

00:55:18.000 Okay, you can say it.

00:55:19.000 Did I say it?

00:55:20.000 I'm like, okay.

00:55:21.000 Yeah, so the host of our documentary, What a Woman Is, is not Daily Wire.

00:55:26.000 It is Candace Owens.

00:55:27.000 So you can go to her site on February 4th and 5th.

00:55:31.000 It'll be free.

00:55:32.000 It's $1.99 the rest of the time.

00:55:34.000 If you want to see it today, you can see What a Woman Is. 1.00

00:55:36.000 It's one of the best.

00:55:37.000 Joel Webbin said it's one of the best documentaries he's ever seen.

00:55:40.000 It's really fun.

00:55:40.000 It's really beautifully shot.

00:55:42.000 And the director's Nick Stumphauser, I was the producer, who's based on my book.

00:55:49.000 But February 4th and 5th, it'll be absolutely free on candaceowens.com and maybe on my Twitter.

00:55:54.000 Yeah, we're looking into that.

00:55:56.000 That was one of the strategies they used for What is a Woman. 1.00

00:55:58.000 And look, we obviously, we have some issues.

00:56:01.000 That's fine.

00:56:02.000 That's okay.

00:56:02.000 But just you can go to the website and you can watch it.

00:56:06.000 I know.

00:56:06.000 I'm not going to hold anything against you for that.

00:56:09.000 But really quickly, let's take just a second right now to watch just a quick trailer of this and get an idea for just how well done this is.

00:56:19.000 It's been answered simply, a woman is not a man.

00:56:22.000 But in our age, it's never been answered with any specificity.

00:56:25.000 What a woman actually is. 0.99

00:56:28.000 The main thing that people need to grasp is the patriarchy is reality.

00:56:34.000 Feminism is one of the key elements they had to do first to bring about all the other revolutions. 1.00

00:56:40.000 So whether it's the 60s counterculture revolution or whether it's the biological trans revolution, all of that had to be preceded by the feminist revolution first.

00:56:49.000 But in the first place, the mutual agreement to swap sex roles was not called gender dysphoria.

00:56:56.000 It was called simply feminism. 1.00

00:56:59.000 Super Bowl Champion Chiefs kicker Harrison Butger getting some backlash after his commencement speech at a Catholic university.

00:57:07.000 Because I think it is you, the women, who have had the most diabolical lives told to you. 1.00

00:57:12.000 I thought about being a doctor my whole life.

00:57:14.000 I had this picture in my head where it was just going to be me.

00:57:17.000 Women were getting more and more unhappy as they were pulled out of the home. 1.00

00:57:22.000 The most important counter strike by the feminists against Christianity comes in the form of a move known as mutual submission. 1.00

00:57:31.000 It's absurd.

00:57:32.000 It is absurd.

00:57:33.000 In marriage, the reason you can't have mutual submission is because there will be times in which decisions have to be made in which the wife and the husband do not necessarily agree.

00:57:42.000 This is why ultimately, in the end, the husband has to be the head of the household and make the final decision.

00:57:49.000 Scripture does not give us a safe place from the directives of God.

00:57:55.000 If I didn't want to submit to him, then I should not have married him in the first place because I should not marry somebody who I don't trust to lead me. 1.00

00:58:02.000 That's stupid. 0.99

00:58:04.000 We're so deep into the framing, the battle of the sexes now that it's difficult to see it anymore. 1.00

00:58:12.000 Whether it's feminism or the red pill, which is really just a kind of feminism for men.

00:58:18.000 The idea of men and women being opposed to each other, you've already let in the fundamental lie of feminism. 1.00

00:58:26.000 There's an intimate relationship between feminism and witchcraft. 1.00

00:58:29.000 Most people don't know this, but it has a very easily documentable history.

00:58:33.000 So any woman who's truly feminine, according to a feminist, is degraded. 1.00

00:58:39.000 Are you interested in knowing what the truth is?

00:58:41.000 Are you willing to submit to the truth?

00:58:44.000 Now you need to be ready to change whatever plans you think you had.

00:58:47.000 You have to decide what kind of woman you want to be.

00:58:57.000 All right, guys.

00:58:57.000 So make sure that you go support this, I want to say movie, but documentary, movie, docu-movie.

00:59:05.000 I don't even know.

00:59:05.000 There's so many different things.

00:59:06.000 I love watching good ones.

00:59:08.000 So make sure you go support this.

00:59:09.000 What is it?

00:59:09.000 Candice Owens.com and February 3rd and 4th, it's free.

00:59:13.000 Outside of that, it's $1.99.

00:59:14.000 Fourth and fifth.

00:59:15.000 Sorry, February 4th.

00:59:15.000 No, see, I did that on purpose just to mess with people so that they'll go there on the wrong dates.

00:59:20.000 Sorry, the free dates are gone.

00:59:21.000 You have to pay.

00:59:21.000 No.

00:59:22.000 Pay for it.

00:59:22.000 I will say this.

00:59:24.000 I do, you know, much like we talk about here all the time, you support the content that you love.

00:59:30.000 Having a free day is fantastic.

00:59:32.000 And I think that's a great way to expose people to the message that is there and to kind of build some, I guess, momentum behind it.

00:59:39.000 But if you like it and you want to see more of that content, please support it.

00:59:44.000 Are there other ways that people can support you before we kind of jump back in?

00:59:48.000 Yeah.

00:59:48.000 I mean, like books.

00:59:50.000 Can they buy books and subscribe to your channels?

00:59:52.000 I have five books.

00:59:53.000 I've written what I consider to be the early modern version of Christian nationalism.

01:00:01.000 It's called Catholic Republic.

01:00:02.000 It's a state's rights.

01:00:04.000 We were progressive.

01:00:04.000 I mean, we were Protestants at the founding here.

01:00:07.000 We're going to have to do an entire new episode to unwind this.

01:00:10.000 On the ideology, not on the future.

01:00:11.000 And we didn't let you guys vote for a long time because of dual loyalties.

01:00:16.000 Now, that'd be a really interesting conversation about the founding fathers.

01:00:19.000 But so we're going to jump right back in.

01:00:21.000 But where can they go to buy or to support Timothy J. Gordon?

01:00:24.000 Not just like by clicking subscribe.

01:00:26.000 I'm talking like, where can they like, you know, without sending you money and treating you like, you know, worker of the night, where can they go?

01:00:32.000 TimothyJGordon.com.

01:00:33.000 You can buy all my books there.

01:00:35.000 Okay.

01:00:35.000 I have five of them.

01:00:36.000 The case for patriarchy, there's a his and a hers. 1.00

01:00:40.000 My wife wrote one called Ask Your Husband by Mrs. Timothy J. Gordon.

01:00:45.000 And again, just support us by following us on YouTube, which is Timothy J. Gordon.

01:00:53.000 And of course, we have a locals.

01:00:54.000 I've been kicked off of Patreon.

01:00:56.000 I was kicked off of Patreon a couple years ago.

01:00:59.000 I lost my job during the 2020 scare when BLM insanity, when in June, most Americans supported that terrorist organization. 0.58

01:01:09.000 I lost my job as theology department chairman in California, moved to Mississippi.

01:01:14.000 You could support me on DonorBox, but if you want to get cool stuff, so it's a transaction, locals, rules for retrogrades at locals.

01:01:24.000 Perfect.

01:01:24.000 Thanks a million, man.

01:01:25.000 So let's jump back into the conversation we were having about the Catholic priests because one of the heart, let me just set it up this way, because I think this really encapsulates, like I am trying to get at the heart of this, right?

01:01:41.000 The motivation for me matters a lot, right?

01:01:44.000 Where this comes from, why this is happening, what it's fighting against, what it's pushing back on and against.

01:01:50.000 But understanding that if you want people to change, if you want society to change in a positive direction, and I think a lot of men and women out there would agree that the way things are going right now, it's broken.

01:02:03.000 The relationships between husband and wife, very broken, especially in the home where you have children and that relationship is not modeled correctly.

01:02:11.000 It just continues to perpetuate this problem down through the generations.

01:02:16.000 We're taking this beautiful gift of having children and taking it and throwing it to the side so that we can go and have mom pursue a career in the workforce and make probably 50%, 40%, 30% of take-home of what dad is making after you pay for all the childcare that's involved with that transaction change. 0.98

01:02:34.000 Plus the fact that mom might probably earn a little bit less than dad. 0.99

01:02:38.000 So for not very much gain, we're taking and sacrificing the greatest gift that God ever outside of his son gave us, right?

01:02:46.000 These kids, these human beings that we're entrusted with to raise and to train up correctly.

01:02:53.000 And we're outsourcing that to whoever happens to be at the daycare center that day or happens to be at the elementary school.

01:03:00.000 And I think a lot of people can grab a hold of that as a problem, but they may not understand the solution to it.

01:03:05.000 And so I really want to get down to, okay, well, how do we get people to say, you know what, I'm uncomfortable and this idea is different, man.

01:03:12.000 It feels weird for me as a man to tell these things to a woman, for a woman to change everything that she has been conditioned and told in an instant.

01:03:22.000 So I really want to get down to how we do that.

01:03:24.000 And really what we've zeroed in on is, well, it's the virtuous nature of the Acts and telling people like, hey, it's virtuous here, here.

01:03:32.000 And really the biblical nature of the Acts is probably a better way of saying this.

01:03:37.000 Here it is scripturally.

01:03:38.000 This is the prescription for how we should do it.

01:03:41.000 And why the Catholic Church, the priests, and I was surprised to hear it, is not really doing that.

01:03:47.000 So do you think they can get back to that in a broad way?

01:03:51.000 Or is it a limited revival essentially right now from kind of more traditional teaching?

01:03:57.000 Patriarchy is inevitable and it's coming back. 0.85

01:04:00.000 And you see it with the Zoomers and you see it in superficial ways with the Trad Wife movement. 1.00

01:04:07.000 Here's the thing.

01:04:09.000 When we distinguished earlier between immoral pleasures and moral happiness, not all pleasure is immoral.

01:04:19.000 In the Nicomachean acts.

01:04:20.000 end of that in in the nicomachean ethics aristotle distinguishes that pleasure is still useful even in the good life in the virtuous life as a test as a test for whether or not someone has rightly habituated virtue whether he's because once you start like a run after new year's if you're out of shape you hate it right yeah And this is also the answer to the first question you asked me about.

01:04:44.000 What about the woman that, or the guy that's still addicted to a bad lifestyle, the woman that's still addicted to a bad lifestyle?

01:04:49.000 When you try the virtuous thing on day one, on January 1st, you go for your run, you get off the couch, you hate it.

01:04:56.000 Stick with it every day.

01:04:58.000 Ask me again on April 1st after I've done 90 runs.

01:05:02.000 And I start liking it.

01:05:04.000 So this is the way that virtue is gradually accumulated and it changes the soul.

01:05:11.000 So your intellect is what realizes before your will, I'm doing something bad, bad for me, whether it's pornography or just being fat and staying on the couch, or I'm a woman who has been conditioned by all of society, including my father, to act like a man.

01:05:28.000 And it's making me miserable the way all vices ultimately make us miserable, even if they carry with them their incipient pleasures.

01:05:36.000 Well, your intellect tells you go for that first run.

01:05:40.000 Your intellect tells you stop with the pornography.

01:05:42.000 Your intellect tells you stop with the potato chips.

01:05:45.000 But your will will rebel.

01:05:47.000 Your will takes longer.

01:05:49.000 So this is why I'm not a voluntarist.

01:05:52.000 Will follows intellect.

01:05:54.000 So you check in with your will or your second nature 90 days after you try to get a new habit, right?

01:06:01.000 That's why you don't.

01:06:02.000 Just put your head down and get it done.

01:06:03.000 But put your head down those first 90 days.

01:06:05.000 You do a daily jog.

01:06:06.000 You're going to hate it.

01:06:07.000 Don't even ask yourself, are you hating this?

01:06:10.000 Same thing with any of the virtues that we're urging society to acclimate.

01:06:15.000 And this is really what my broad project is at Rules for Retrogrades.

01:06:19.000 It's just we need to get back to Christendom.

01:06:21.000 We need to get back to Christian nationalism, rightly conceived. 0.99

01:06:25.000 We need to get back to the patriarchy, rightly conceived, not the red pill. 0.76

01:06:28.000 So women who don't think that this is the way forward, we understand that. 0.99

01:06:35.000 But what you can recognize is you're not happy now.

01:06:38.000 You're miserable in the life that unfortunately everyone, including your family members, led you to from kindergarten on.

01:06:46.000 Kindergarten is a creature of John Dewey, the communist at the University of Chicago, by the way.

01:06:52.000 Same exact principle.

01:06:55.000 Add in another year of school, get kids away from their mothers earlier. 0.98

01:06:59.000 Our film we have um Aaron Russo talking to Nick Rockefeller or discussing something Nick Rockefeller told him he's like.

01:07:07.000 My family of the Rockefellers were in on women's lib for two reasons, get kids away from their mothers more and have someone else they can tax twice as much. 1.00

01:07:16.000 Taxabilities like. 0.82

01:07:17.000 That's why we did where Women's LIB and Aaron Russo was like. 1.00

01:07:20.000 At the time I was a Normie, I didn't know, but the, the general principle that the communists and the you know, you know the people who run society.

01:07:30.000 Come on, the Jews don't all run society. 1.00

01:07:33.000 Well, it's all i'll.

01:07:34.000 I'll make everyone here comfortable.

01:07:35.000 The communists and the freemasons um, I got to push back on you a little bit for fun right people, for fun, it makes it fun. 0.86

01:07:43.000 The people who, who decide to to you know, brown society and to to feminize men and to masculinize women and to um, do a what to destroy the patriarchy, destroy Christianity, to destroy Christendom. 0.92

01:07:58.000 They knew what to do and what to do fundamentally and I say this with seven little girls that I love more than anybody with a wife.

01:08:07.000 I love more than anybody say for for, for Jesus alone is to to get them out of the home and and to for one thing, it also makes the home place very, very unattractive.

01:08:21.000 When you go to a home where no one's home during the day, it's just a house.

01:08:24.000 Yeah, it's dirty, it's.

01:08:26.000 There's no nice smells the only smells are going to be probably dirty laundry and it's cold.

01:08:31.000 And if everyone is arriving home at the end of the day together, this is just a house, whereas if you arrive, your wife greets you, there's baked goods on.

01:08:43.000 We homeschool, so it's been very warm, there's been a lot of activity during the day, everyone's sort of bored and readying for you, for dad, to get home and to have fun.

01:08:52.000 It's an attractive place.

01:08:54.000 When I taught young men in high school and college for all those years my wife would come visit me with baked goods or just come with my lunch or something from home, if I forgot it, and she's so pleasant.

01:09:07.000 You know, Nick Fuentes recently has talked about what women used to just be pleasant.

01:09:11.000 They'd bake cookies and smile, and now they have rbf and they don't bake anymore and they don't know how to bake and they don't know how to do any of the home eck.

01:09:20.000 Female arts needlework stitchcraft painting, pianoforte these are the things women should be at home doing and they're all about beautifying and pleasantifying the home place. 1.00

01:09:32.000 That makes people actually want to spend time around it.

01:09:35.000 Yeah, and what I noticed with a bunch of the dudes around the suburbs is it's go and it generates more philosophy of go, get away from the home because it's not this pleasant place.

01:09:47.000 I go around my home because the way my wife makes it, I just want to stay there. 1.00

01:09:51.000 We all the kids just want to stay there.

01:09:53.000 We, we just live our lives around the home.

01:09:55.000 It's a real oikonomia yeah, and I think emphasizing this speaks to what the internal yearning of of women really is.

01:10:04.000 They want to return to that.

01:10:05.000 Like I told you that the laptop screens are all filled by home place uh products, home place services, home place crafts and hobbies that these girls that have been forced to act like pre-lawyer men or pre-doctor men, they all naturally want to do this. 1.00

01:10:21.000 And men want to be around those kinds of women too. 1.00

01:10:24.000 So it also reattracts men and women to each other when women can give this much needed commodity back to society and men are looking for it desperately, desperately they're looking for it.

01:10:35.000 Well, and I definitely see that in the dating scene right now.

01:10:40.000 Not that I'm in the dating scene, but some of the statistics that we have for some of the generations that are struggling through this right now are pretty stark.

01:10:47.000 Men not really even wanting to get married or pursuing marriage or pursuing a relationship with a woman and just essentially escaping into some virtual world, whether it be video games or just online social media fixes.

01:11:03.000 It's a really big problem.

01:11:05.000 And I think finding a solution to this and approaching it the right way, I think people can smell authenticity a mile away.

01:11:14.000 And a number of men, and I've said this before and I've taken a little bit of heat for it, but I don't think it's something that's really controversial at all.

01:11:23.000 In fact, I think it's more like Christ approached this problem or any problem, really, not this problem.

01:11:29.000 When talking to people, it's that some people come off as like the patriarchy needs to come back.

01:11:36.000 And they're exactly what you would think that the women who are complaining about the patriarchy would point to, not these virtuous men who love their wives and take care of their families the way that the Bible instructs them to, but these very difficult, hard, ruling it over them kind of men.

01:11:54.000 And I think that's, I think with the early stages of this message getting out like as a return to pre-feminism, really, that's what it is. 0.91

01:12:05.000 It's a return to pre-feminism. 1.00

01:12:07.000 The messenger matters a lot.

01:12:11.000 Are you seeing a receptiveness to this no matter who's putting this out there?

01:12:16.000 Or are you seeing kind of what I'm saying?

01:12:18.000 And who's, you know, obviously you're one of the people doing this.

01:12:21.000 Is there another person doing this, doing it well?

01:12:24.000 Because listen, if it's not coming from a heart of love for women and for men and for families, then you're not going to get a lot of success, I don't think.

01:12:31.000 If it's just like beating people over the head with the truth, you might get some success, but I don't think you're going to experience as much as you want.

01:12:38.000 The closest fellow travelers that my wife and I have in this are actually Andrew and Rachel Wilson.

01:12:44.000 Andrew does the blood sports debates, but he's, he's a really sweet guy behind the scenes.

01:12:49.000 We're good friends.

01:12:49.000 You know him.

01:12:50.000 Yeah.

01:12:51.000 And Rachel's very sweet, and you can even see that online.

01:12:55.000 And she and my wife's staff have always had each other's backs.

01:12:58.000 They each have a book against feminism, addressing it, attacking it from a different angle.

01:13:03.000 I wish there were more fellow travelers within Catholicism that are really aggressively pro-patriarchy and anti-feminist, but that's a burgeoning number.

01:13:13.000 This is a new thing.

01:13:15.000 We thought, like Soren Kierkegaard said, our last refuge would be shaking our fists at the sky and saying the future will show I'm right.

01:13:22.000 I thought this was going to be decades of wilderness living for my book, Case for Patriarchy or Steph's book.

01:13:28.000 And suddenly, 2023, 2024, things turned around and everyone's really receptive to it.

01:13:36.000 So I wish there were more, and I think there will be more advocates for it in the immediate future in Catholicism.

01:13:43.000 But we're happy to have Joel Webbin within Protestantism.

01:13:46.000 He loves his wife a lot, and he's a good advocate for it.

01:13:50.000 And we're really happy to have Andrew and Rachel.

01:13:53.000 So whether they're other Catholics or not, we're happy to have fellow Christians.

01:13:58.000 I would address this major issue this way.

01:14:00.000 There's a couple other things I'll kick myself if I don't say.

01:14:04.000 One of them is this.

01:14:05.000 When people immediately, it's a rhetorical ploy leftists always use.

01:14:09.000 They, you know, exception makes bad law.

01:14:12.000 They'll define something by its perverted, inverted example.

01:14:16.000 And that's not how the West works.

01:14:18.000 That's not how proper logic works.

01:14:20.000 I was also a logic teacher in philosophy departments, logic instructor.

01:14:24.000 You define something by its operative self.

01:14:29.000 So whether we're talking about the good regimes of government, according to Aristotle and the later Republican theorists, there's three good regimes, right?

01:14:39.000 You could do rule by one well.

01:14:42.000 That's called a monarchy. 0.99

01:14:44.000 When we talk about rule by one in the home, people always associate it with its perverted form, rule by one in a wicked or a tyrannical way.

01:14:53.000 That's called a tyranny.

01:14:55.000 We also have good rule by few.

01:14:57.000 That's an aristocracy.

01:14:59.000 That can be perverted, and that's called an oligarchy. 1.00

01:15:01.000 We also have good rule by many.

01:15:03.000 That's called polity or republic.

01:15:06.000 And its wicked form is called democracy.

01:15:08.000 Well, whenever you talk to a feminist, I mean, literally, this just comes from books. 1.00

01:15:12.000 No, it's very descriptive of stuff.

01:15:15.000 Yes, you're right.

01:15:16.000 This is just Aristotle. 0.77

01:15:17.000 It just sucks except for all of the forms, I guess. 0.96

01:15:19.000 But so when you talk to a feminist or even a non-politically charged, just sort of normie who has his head full of gynocratic feminist mush, they'll always say, well, if we return to Christendom, if we return to patriarchy, won't women get beat? 1.00

01:15:41.000 Isn't there a history of abuse?

01:15:43.000 There's just not.

01:15:45.000 And that's where we have to just take back history as an institution.

01:15:50.000 The right really needs to take it back because this is a Marxian lie that there's this broad history of abuse of women. 0.99

01:15:58.000 The abuse all began in earnest, if we scale it in major, major, you know, much greater numbers in spates when women left the home. 0.52

01:16:10.000 And this is what the popes at the turn of the 20th century predicted.

01:16:13.000 If women leaves the home, she will be abused as among the pagans. 0.99

01:16:17.000 Whereas when she's home, the only people that are around are her husband or her sons or maybe her father.

01:16:23.000 And those people all care for her.

01:16:26.000 And if you say, well, what if they're abusive?

01:16:27.000 Well, that's a more systemic problem.

01:16:29.000 I mean, yeah, what if a comet falls out of the sky?

01:16:32.000 But we know turning women over to society at large, we know there are bad guys out there.

01:16:39.000 That's a certitude.

01:16:40.000 I mean, systemically speaking, when women are home, doing what they're naturally, they have a natural aptitude for, what they all want to do, and being cared for by their husband, being safe.

01:16:56.000 99 times out of 100, this works out very nicely.

01:16:59.000 Whereas only one time out of 100 at the most does the current regime of women just being sort of booted by their fathers and their husbands out into economic society, into the economic mainstream, does that ever work happily? 0.98

01:17:16.000 Go look at literally, it's a joke.

01:17:16.000 No.

01:17:18.000 I made Tucker Carlson laugh with this, but it's true.

01:17:21.000 Women are crippled with diarrhea and they're taking happy pills at twice the rate of men. 1.00

01:17:28.000 And they're all saying they're struggling with mental health.

01:17:31.000 It's because they're in a place that is not a natural forum for them.

01:17:35.000 And they're being told that they're leaders, which is not an aptitude they have.

01:17:40.000 They can't lead.

01:17:41.000 But they are good sort of second in command because they were made from the ribs of men.

01:17:46.000 And they all want to be at home.

01:17:47.000 They all want to have children.

01:17:49.000 And they all want to do the things around home, beautifying it.

01:17:52.000 By the way, in the ancient days when men farmed and farming was the main preoccupation, The primary profession that man, particularly in the American South, supported his family.

01:18:10.000 Women were literally, this is such a recurring issue in the papal encyclicals in the Catholic Church. 1.00

01:18:16.000 Women can work from inside the home or in the curtilage, which means they can help their husbands farm. 1.00

01:18:21.000 This is still natural.

01:18:23.000 It's still a natural thing to do.

01:18:25.000 And we know that it's natural because it was such a mainstream occupation for men and women to do together around the home, and even the kids.

01:18:33.000 But it's natural because they're around their family, their employers, someone who cares for them, who loves them, who's going to let them take an extra 15 minutes after lunch if they need a nap or whatever.

01:18:45.000 G.K. Chesterton put it best: you can either have a boss who loves you, your husband, or you can have a boss who doesn't love you at all.

01:18:53.000 And feminism says that the latter is better. 1.00

01:18:57.000 And Christianity says the former is better. 0.92

01:18:59.000 It's that simple.

01:19:00.000 Yeah.

01:19:02.000 We've got a really big uphill fight, I think, on this one because these ideas are so entrenched.

01:19:09.000 Fortunately for me, my wife, and I didn't, like I said, I didn't really have my head screwed on very well on this topic, probably because a lot of these ideas just kind of like I thought, okay, well, yeah, this is kind of natural, but I didn't really look at the battle of the fight against feminism.

01:19:27.000 It was just like, well, this is kind of what scripture says.

01:19:29.000 I would never lord it over my wife.

01:19:30.000 I would never be abusive in how these things happen.

01:19:33.000 But I am looking for a woman who wants to be led and to be, you know, this word submission.

01:19:40.000 People are like, oh my gosh.

01:19:40.000 It's like, no, but I'm just trying to use the word that the scripture uses to understand what we're really talking about.

01:19:46.000 And I married a brilliant woman who could go and be, you know, a mid-six-figure earner in the hospital system. 0.99

01:19:54.000 She was a nurse, very skilled. 0.90

01:19:57.000 And by the grace of God, you know, we came together and had the right ideas about, hey, I want to be home.

01:20:04.000 And she's a career woman that could go earn a lot of money and find a lot of purpose. 1.00

01:20:09.000 But man, the more that she has been home with our children, we have three young boys right now, almost two, almost four, and five and a half.

01:20:20.000 So we're in the thick of it.

01:20:22.000 I don't have eight or seven right now for you, but we're doing our best.

01:20:27.000 But she's come to that conclusion.

01:20:28.000 Like, man, this is just so much more purposeful.

01:20:31.000 But I think there are so many women who didn't have the matriarchal figure that mom or grandmother that was passing down those home economics, like you said, like these things that women would do, how to attract a man, how to please a man, how to make a home for your husband. 1.00

01:20:51.000 That seems to have gone completely by the wayside.

01:20:54.000 And if you find somebody like that, like I have in my wife, it seems to be pretty rare.

01:20:58.000 I feel like we just have such an uphill battle.

01:21:04.000 How do we make sure that we tell that we present this message in as winsome a way as possible without watering down the truth?

01:21:13.000 And I don't think you'll have some pretty good answers.

01:21:18.000 I don't think a lot of people do, though, right now.

01:21:21.000 I think there are very few people that will have good answers to this.

01:21:23.000 I think you're underestimating nature and female natural aptitudes and natural desires are strong. 1.00

01:21:33.000 Watch the film.

01:21:34.000 First off, I mean, one rhetorical resource that you have is this film that will be free on February 4th and 5th.

01:21:44.000 And you can go watch it right now if you're willing to pay a buck 99 at candaceowens.com.

01:21:48.000 What a woman is. 1.00

01:21:50.000 We present just beautiful, smart, Ivy League, talented women who are in business, law, medicine, Veterinary medicine who are like, I just was, I knew this wasn't right.

01:22:05.000 Everyone in my family was telling me I needed a career and I knew it was wrong.

01:22:09.000 It felt wrong.

01:22:10.000 And I feel like to the degree that you, Gerald, think it's that uphill a battle.

01:22:18.000 I'm not saying it's not.

01:22:18.000 I've been in this fight for six years, but I don't think it's as much an uphill battle because what you have at the end of the day is nature.

01:22:26.000 And the feminists, like all gender dysphorists, are fighting against nature. 1.00

01:22:31.000 People know a dude in a woman's dress ain't beautiful. 0.71

01:22:35.000 People know, I don't know, a 400-pound chick ain't beautiful. 1.00

01:22:40.000 People, women themselves know, and this is the strongest lie, the most pervasive one. 0.99

01:22:46.000 It's not natural for them to be away from the home place during the day.

01:22:50.000 They know it, they feel it.

01:22:51.000 And even the ones that have been groomed for it or are now on their way, if they're smart, they're willing to turn back.

01:22:58.000 It does take a bit of courage.

01:23:00.000 I think it takes quite a bit of courage because you said that you're fighting against nature.

01:23:04.000 Yes, but the nurture is very strong in this.

01:23:07.000 And it's been entrenched for, at the very least, decades with modern women. 0.99

01:23:07.000 Absolutely. 0.99

01:23:13.000 But things are turning around.

01:23:15.000 And now, environmentally, it's because the Overton window is being ripped back to the right.

01:23:22.000 You're no longer going to be considered a weirdo.

01:23:24.000 I'll give you an example: homeschool was for weirdos in the 90s.

01:23:29.000 But now everyone's doing it.

01:23:30.000 And it's so much better.

01:23:32.000 And it also enhances the home economy and it enhances women's life. 0.57

01:23:36.000 She doesn't have to schlep kids around all day long in the minivan, and you can set your own schedule.

01:23:43.000 And once you, it takes a fourth of the time that they take at school.

01:23:49.000 So yeah, it's not an eight-hour workday for a first grader. 0.98

01:23:52.000 It's ridiculous. 0.99

01:23:53.000 It's ridiculous. 0.99

01:23:54.000 Also, does it cost $15,000 a year for private first grade? 0.93

01:23:57.000 No, and they're not learning to sentence diagram.

01:23:59.000 They're not learning Latin.

01:24:00.000 They're not learning the things they actually need to learn.

01:24:02.000 You can do this all in an hour and a half.

01:24:04.000 And my, you know, I have nine-year-old girls doing Latin and sentence diagramming and algebra. 0.85

01:24:10.000 I'm like, I don't even know what the math that they taught us first through eighth was.

01:24:14.000 They just, they keep you in school to keep you away from your mom.

01:24:18.000 And that's, that's really what it is.

01:24:21.000 But I would say the battle is less uphill than I think you're assuming now.

01:24:26.000 But that's why the truth has to lead the tone.

01:24:30.000 The truth is just, do you consider yourself a Christian?

01:24:35.000 Read these books if you do.

01:24:36.000 Even if you, young lady Jane Doe out there, if you consider yourself a Christian, then look at the passages of scripture. 0.59

01:24:45.000 I have the books upside down.

01:24:46.000 You can read the resource of my wife's book.

01:24:49.000 This is written specifically for ladies.

01:24:52.000 Can read my book for the men out there and watch our movie.

01:24:57.000 The case is made in scripture.

01:25:00.000 It is made.

01:25:01.000 If you're any kind of Christian, there is no feminism that can coexist alongside it. 1.00

01:25:08.000 It is a disjunctive syllogism, as we say in logic.

01:25:11.000 So the early feminists were far more honest about this, and we have to get back to that.

01:25:18.000 I just think far too many people don't know that.

01:25:20.000 I think it's an educational kind of gap, too.

01:25:23.000 And it's a huge cultural shift to get people out there.

01:25:27.000 And, you know, I think it's important.

01:25:31.000 I think it's important to really understand why you believe what you believe.

01:25:39.000 And, you know, you would obviously have a lot of backing for why you think women would be better in the home doing kind of these more traditional things. 0.98

01:25:48.000 And I think there's, you know, there was a trad wife movement that seemed to be full of a lot of people that don't actually want the trad life.

01:25:54.000 It's kind of a mockery of trad life.

01:25:56.000 Superficial.

01:25:56.000 Yeah, very superficial.

01:25:58.000 And look, I know there's probably two or three other episodes that we could do on some of these topics, and I'd love to have you back.

01:26:04.000 But before you go, I think that the truth does need to lead the way, and that's really how Christ spoke.

01:26:11.000 He was the truth in love, right?

01:26:13.000 Like he did give you the truth, but there was like a call to repentance associated with that, not usually a condemnation, unless it was some of the more dramatic scenes with the Pharisees.

01:26:24.000 There was a little bit different fighter coming out to play.

01:26:27.000 But I do think it's really important for you.

01:26:29.000 And look, this has been helpful for me.

01:26:32.000 It's very important to know why you believe what you believe.

01:26:34.000 One of the things that I did in searching out the best apologists in Catholicism and Orthodoxy, and also as a Protestant, was to say, like, am I wrong?

01:26:45.000 And I think asking that question was very helpful just to coming to a better understanding of what I currently believe because I've tested that truth.

01:26:55.000 That's why I said I look for debaters.

01:26:56.000 I don't look for debaters because I think debaters are the best to listen to.

01:27:00.000 I think it's because their ideas are constantly being attacked by very skilled people with other ideas.

01:27:07.000 And hearing that interchange, I think, or that dialogue, I should say, really does help you understand what is true and what is not.

01:27:16.000 Not just listening to your favorite creator say what they say.

01:27:19.000 I mean, that's a baseline.

01:27:20.000 That's fine.

01:27:21.000 But people defending their ideas.

01:27:23.000 And so here's the question.

01:27:24.000 It's a long lead in for a pretty short question.

01:27:27.000 And I think it'll be helpful and hard to answer.

01:27:30.000 Who is your best detractor?

01:27:33.000 Who is the best person who says they have a different perspective on this in making the argument for an alternative or a slightly different path to be able to take?

01:27:45.000 Is it most compelling?

01:27:47.000 Probably most compelling, but also most well thought out.

01:27:51.000 Not just in performance, right?

01:27:53.000 But somebody who's like, yeah, no, that's a really good argument that you will hear a lot of people make.

01:27:58.000 And I want them to hear it well.

01:28:00.000 Like I want a steel man argument so that when if you do say, you know what, I agree with you, Timothy, that we should return to this.

01:28:07.000 We need to push this direction.

01:28:09.000 I want to be prepared to go out into the world and make the case and understand the arguments that I'm going to get back.

01:28:16.000 Not straw man arguments, but steel man.

01:28:18.000 Who's the best at doing that right now?

01:28:19.000 Do you think?

01:28:20.000 I think it would have to be a non-Christian. 1.00

01:28:22.000 I was going to ask, is there anybody in Christendom that would disagree with you in any material way?

01:28:27.000 Well, lots, but they can't do so.

01:28:29.000 They're a circular square.

01:28:31.000 Christendom, Christianity is the patriarchy. 0.99

01:28:35.000 Well, maybe put it like this.

01:28:38.000 They agree with you that patriarchy, yes, but they don't define it quite the same as you.

01:28:42.000 Is there somebody who's just a slightly different, like saying, listen, if you've got a man going out to work and you've got a woman staying in the home and her work is taking care of the kids, taking care of the home, the man comes home, obviously you would probably agree, comes home, gets acclimated.

01:28:58.000 But listen, at that point, he needs to help out a little bit.

01:29:01.000 That would be a little bit of a difference, right?

01:29:03.000 To your kind of perspective on this.

01:29:05.000 Is there somebody who has those kinds of differences?

01:29:08.000 I think the man, when he comes home, needs to play and pray with the kids.

01:29:12.000 I don't think the man comes home and needs to assume female duties, but the man is the primary priest of the home.

01:29:21.000 So you can't just play with them and you can't just pray with them.

01:29:26.000 So everybody kind of agrees with that.

01:29:28.000 The more cucked people out there would want to see the man doing more of the female tasks around the home and vice versa. 1.00

01:29:38.000 I mean, I'm trying to.

01:29:40.000 That's what I said.

01:29:41.000 It might be a hard question to answer, but I think it's instructive if, and maybe, you know what, if you can't think of anybody, think about it and get back to me because, again, I like to steel many arguments and I'd like to hear.

01:29:54.000 So let me, maybe, you know what?

01:29:55.000 I'll give you an argument that, and I know you're having a little bit of a coughing fit right now.

01:29:58.000 I'm so sorry.

01:29:59.000 Sorry over this blue.

01:30:00.000 I'm sorry.

01:30:01.000 And then we'll kind of tie a bow on this.

01:30:04.000 Here's an argument that can be made, right?

01:30:07.000 I believe that my wife should submit to me.

01:30:07.000 All right.

01:30:10.000 I believe in the patriarchy in a very positive Christian version of the patriarchy, not in any kind of perverted version of it.

01:30:18.000 I believe that is what is going to make the relationship that I have with my wife and the relationship we have with our children the very best that it possibly could be.

01:30:28.000 And it will be better for society if that is a normative thing, that if that's how society functions.

01:30:35.000 But when does my wife get time off? 1.00

01:30:38.000 Because I go to a job from, say, nine to five.

01:30:40.000 That's my time off to play and pray with the kids.

01:30:40.000 I come home.

01:30:43.000 My wife's job is to take care of the house and to take care of us and try to encapsulate that into all that she does, but she never gets to go home from that. 1.00

01:30:54.000 How do you that would maybe be a question you would get?

01:30:57.000 Where's her time off? 0.99

01:30:58.000 Does she just work every seven days a week all day? 1.00

01:31:00.000 Yeah, well, I address this in a couple of my books, including Catholic Republic.

01:31:06.000 Profession being confused with vocation by the Puritans is a big part of the problem here.

01:31:12.000 Okay.

01:31:13.000 For a Catholic, quatidian or daily grace comes from the sacraments, not from labor.

01:31:23.000 In the Reformation, post-Reformation, you have to have daily grace have a source somewhere.

01:31:29.000 It's got to come from somewhere.

01:31:30.000 So for the Puritans, which was deeply informative on American psyche on work, it came from a cobbler huddled over his shoe doing the Lord's work. 0.90

01:31:40.000 That's where grace came from on a daily basis. 0.86

01:31:43.000 And therefore, God loves men and women equally.

01:31:47.000 Women have to get it somewhere too. 1.00

01:31:48.000 So actually, feminism grew out of the Puritan view of work quite naturally on that version of the telling. 0.99

01:31:58.000 Whereas for Catholics, the grace comes daily from the seven sacraments. 0.79

01:32:06.000 So, first off, we would say your profession's not your vocation.

01:32:11.000 Man's profession is to be a husband and father.

01:32:17.000 Woman's vocation is to be a mother and a wife. 1.00

01:32:23.000 And unless, of course, they become a priest or a nun.

01:32:26.000 So that's the answer.

01:32:28.000 Now, a man's work schedule allows him to come home and just sort of naturally give a break to his wife by take all the kids, go outside, go to the park for an hour or two, and she'll have a loan time.

01:32:43.000 Also, I would say on the front end of the day, my wife gets up at 9, 9:30, and starts school then, homeschooling with the kids.

01:32:54.000 So if I have to go do something at seven, there's give, maybe more at the beginning of the day and the end of the day for a woman for a man.

01:33:03.000 I wouldn't call going to a nine-to-five job.

01:33:05.000 I mean, I don't have a nine-to-five job anymore.

01:33:07.000 This is my job.

01:33:08.000 But I would say that due to the ebb and flow of the man's day, if he's going to work and his wife's day is she stays at home, they're not at all comparable.

01:33:20.000 A wife's day is beautiful.

01:33:22.000 And I mean, I could tell you how it was when I still went to work at a job.

01:33:27.000 I was a lawyer for a year.

01:33:28.000 I was a landman for a year, but I was a teacher for eight years.

01:33:33.000 My wife would get up late, do homeschool for two hours, feed the kids lunch, send them outside, and then she would watercolor. 1.00

01:33:42.000 She would play the flute.

01:33:46.000 There's when the home place is your workplace, not to be too Puritan about it, it doesn't really transfer to say, Can I get a 15-minute smoke break?

01:33:55.000 It doesn't work like that.

01:33:56.000 Women are just who stay at home, stay-at-home moms and wives, have the grace and the loveliness of, you know what? 1.00

01:34:05.000 I'm going to have the kids sit and read.

01:34:07.000 I'm going to watercolor.

01:34:08.000 You know, my wife loved to do that. 1.00

01:34:09.000 I'm going to draw or I'm going to journal or I'm going to garden.

01:34:12.000 I'll bring the kids out with me.

01:34:14.000 She plays the piano.

01:34:15.000 Yeah.

01:34:16.000 Beautiful.

01:34:17.000 That's that's beautiful.

01:34:18.000 My daughter plays the piano.

01:34:19.000 My wife plays the flute.

01:34:21.000 It's so lovely because you're at home and it's not a job.

01:34:24.000 It's your vocation.

01:34:26.000 Now, if she needs all alone time, which is kind of rare, that's why men, you know, take the kids out to the front yard and tumble with them or go to the park.

01:34:34.000 But my wife doesn't really like that anyway. 1.00

01:34:38.000 She likes to come with us.

01:34:40.000 Well, not necessarily just looking for that, but I think that would be kind of the, well, if he gets to come home and I think, again, maybe that's the perverted view of patriarchy from both angles, really, from women saying, well, I need a break from all of this and men going, I'm just going to come home and sit down and do nothing.

01:34:56.000 It's like, well, a man comes home and greeted by the family and kind of gets acclimated to being home, whether that's a 10 or 30 minute process or whatever it is, and then jumps in to be dad.

01:35:07.000 So you're not just going to work, coming home and doing whatever you want.

01:35:11.000 You're jumping in to be a father and a husband at that point.

01:35:14.000 And so you're just essentially switching roles.

01:35:16.000 You need CEO or the manager here.

01:35:19.000 Now I'm coming home to this role.

01:35:21.000 You need energy for the day at home.

01:35:23.000 Right.

01:35:24.000 And therefore, it is important.

01:35:25.000 I want to stick up for men's rights somewhat here.

01:35:29.000 There's a great 20th century saint, actually, the founder of Opus Day, for people who know, Saint Jose Maria Escriva, that says, look, not to be too caricatured on the other side, but wives need to look beautiful, pray improper. 0.95

01:35:42.000 If you didn't do makeup before your husband gets home, you know, help him to acclimate because it is a kind of hard transition.

01:35:49.000 You work to home, look beautiful, have some lovely smelling thing, whether it's perfume or something in the oven, and just give him a little time when he gets home because it's not a seamless transition.

01:36:03.000 It was weird.

01:36:04.000 Some of you just have, okay, I have to get my child rearing hat on or my husbanding hat on and give him a half hour and bring the man his slippers or whatever, whatever he needs.

01:36:18.000 And then if he's a good man, he's going to take off from there and not just do the greatest gen thing, the greatest gen thing, which created the boomers who are the worst generation ever on parenting and wifing and husbanding. 0.96

01:36:35.000 They were terrible because their model of the patriarchy was the greatest gen, who I guess the dads were told, maybe it's revisionist history, just came home and sat in their chair and yelled at everyone.

01:36:49.000 Hey, like, get the hell out of the way.

01:36:50.000 I'm watching the TV.

01:36:51.000 No one talked to me.

01:36:53.000 That's non-vocational.

01:36:54.000 That's not Christian. 1.00

01:36:56.000 And, you know, it's still the dad calling the shots.

01:37:00.000 He can do it in the way he finds best, but he needs to play and pray with the kids.

01:37:05.000 And have this perhaps as are more important.

01:37:10.000 Have a robust, convivial relationship with the wife where you're talking, joking, laughing. 0.93

01:37:15.000 You got to also date your wife.

01:37:18.000 Try to go on a date once a week. 1.00

01:37:20.000 Have sex. 0.99

01:37:21.000 Have sex lots. 1.00

01:37:22.000 Have sex lots. 0.99

01:37:25.000 I mean, that's the point of marriage is procreation. 1.00

01:37:28.000 To have lots of sex and, you know, you can't be a dipshit at home. 1.00

01:37:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:37:33.000 You can't.

01:37:34.000 I'm glad.

01:37:35.000 See, listen, a lot of people don't hear that.

01:37:37.000 You know, a good man is going to come home and do these things.

01:37:40.000 He's going to take off from there.

01:37:41.000 I like that.

01:37:42.000 That's the kind of balanced approach that I think women want to hear. 0.98

01:37:47.000 And I know why maybe some people don't include that because men seem to get beat over the head with their duties and responsibilities all the time.

01:37:53.000 Right.

01:37:53.000 And women don't necessarily.

01:37:54.000 And so that's the correction that's going on. 1.00

01:37:56.000 But women have to stop being bitches. 1.00

01:38:00.000 Man, don't be a dip shit. 1.00

01:38:01.000 Women, the first problem, first order, women in society need to stop being gigantic bitches. 1.00

01:38:08.000 There we go. 1.00

01:38:08.000 Okay, so that's the title of men stop being dipshits and women stop being bitches. 1.00

01:38:14.000 I'm quoting here female talks. 1.00

01:38:18.000 And everything will be fine.

01:38:20.000 Well, you had one question that I didn't answer well earlier.

01:38:24.000 Can I this be the outro?

01:38:25.000 If I can get it out without a coughing fit.

01:38:28.000 You said, why is feminism the beating heart of leftism? 0.99

01:38:32.000 And I think any Christian will connect with this.

01:38:34.000 It's really, really important.

01:38:37.000 There are two foundational figures for feminism. 1.00

01:38:40.000 The real beginning of so-called first wave feminism, which even normie conservatives were taught for too long, was good. 0.92

01:38:47.000 It's not.

01:38:48.000 It's actually more diabolic than second or third wave.

01:38:51.000 But originary feminism has two figures, a tragic hero. 1.00

01:38:56.000 Can you guess who it might be?

01:38:58.000 And a sort of superhero.

01:39:00.000 If you haven't watched the movie yet, they're scriptural figures or scriptures, a kind of scriptural.

01:39:07.000 Tragic heroes and a superhero.

01:39:10.000 A tragic feminist hero and a superhero feminist hero. 1.00

01:39:15.000 Can you imagine who they might be going way back?

01:39:17.000 From scripture or?

01:39:19.000 One of them's from scripture.

01:39:20.000 One of them's from the Talmud.

01:39:22.000 Well, I'll just get to it.

01:39:24.000 Thank you because I'm like, oh, now I'm.

01:39:25.000 This is telling.

01:39:26.000 Yeah, no, there's no way to really know unless you see the angle.

01:39:30.000 So what feminists, there's this feminist called Katie Scott Marshall, and she talks about this at great length. 1.00

01:39:37.000 This is Eve.

01:39:38.000 Eve, Eve and Lilith.

01:39:40.000 Ah, okay.

01:39:40.000 Eve is all of the first wave feminists said, look, she's kind of our template, but she's a tragic hero.

01:39:49.000 Eve disobeyed the two enemies.

01:39:52.000 The enemies of feminism are God and man, God and Adam. 1.00

01:39:57.000 She disobeyed God and Adam.

01:39:59.000 Eve did, but she got caught.

01:40:02.000 So she's a tragic hero.

01:40:05.000 But we're going to look to the Talmud, the Jewish Talmud, source of so many evils, and we're going to look to Adam's apocryphal first wife. 1.00

01:40:13.000 We know she wasn't really his first wife, but she's an important literary figure.

01:40:18.000 Lilith, demon goddess Lilith, Adam's apocryphal first wife. 0.97

01:40:22.000 She refused to have sex with Adam, had sex with demons. 0.74

01:40:27.000 She's the mother of Sids, considered the mother of abortion and witchcrafted baby deaths, and she got away with it. 1.00

01:40:37.000 So she is our superhero.

01:40:38.000 And this is the first wave feminists, right? 1.00

01:40:40.000 This is what we want.

01:40:41.000 This is 1848.

01:40:43.000 Yeah.

01:40:44.000 And broadly speaking, remember in the 90s, Lilith Fest, Lilith Fair, Lilith Crane, Fraser's wife.

01:40:51.000 This is what they're after.

01:40:52.000 This is this figure from the Talmud.

01:40:57.000 And she was their superhero.

01:40:58.000 Eve, she's pretty good, but she got caught. 0.97

01:41:01.000 We want what we feminists want is to defy God and to defy our husbands, Adam, and get away with it. 1.00

01:41:10.000 So it's the center of all leftism.

01:41:12.000 It all proceeds from there, defiance.

01:41:15.000 It's all not right versus left.

01:41:17.000 It's right versus wrong.

01:41:18.000 Yeah.

01:41:19.000 Important stuff.

01:41:20.000 Very important.

01:41:21.000 Well, thank you very much for fighting through the flu, giving us some more information.

01:41:26.000 Look, I highly recommend that you go watch What a Woman Is right now and go show some love to Timothy J. Gordon. 1.00

01:41:35.000 Is it TimothyJGordon.com?

01:41:36.000 Oh, yes.

01:41:37.000 They can purchase books.

01:41:38.000 They can follow you on X.

01:41:39.000 They can follow you on YouTube.

01:41:40.000 They can join at locals.

01:41:42.000 But make sure you show them some love.

01:41:44.000 And we will definitely have to have you back.

01:41:46.000 I think this is definitely a fight worth having.

01:41:48.000 We've got some, I think, some challenges that we have to overcome, some messaging issues that need to be addressed so that men approach this from the right perspective and so that women can see that there might be a better way to fix some of the problems that are out there.

01:42:03.000 And it's the scriptural way that we can make sure that we are pushing society in a direction that will be better for both women and men and for your children.

01:42:14.000 This has been Gerald Apologizes.

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Louder with Crowder - February 13, 2026

Timothy Gordon Explains: What Womanly Submission Really Means

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