Louder with Crowder - November 21, 2025


To Execute or Not to Execute: Trump Flips the Dems Sedition Playbook Back at Them 2025-11-21 18:10


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In this episode, we discuss the Democratic Party s attempt to delegitimize the First Amendment and turn the military into a political arm of the ruling class. We also hear from a father whose son served in the military, and whose son is now in the Air Force.

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00:00:00.000 Question for the crew.
00:00:01.000 Dem celebrated shooting at Trump and Charlie's assassination.
00:00:04.000 Now they are telling military to defy orders.
00:00:07.000 Is this now something beyond just politics?
00:00:09.000 No, And I pre, by the way, you're coming from this, you're coming at this from an earnest place.
00:00:15.000 No, this is by design.
00:00:18.000 They want some kind of an insurrection.
00:00:20.000 When they didn't get one, they just said there was an insurrection.
00:00:24.000 They want to do that because they want to turn you a law-abiding citizen into a criminal, and they want criminals to become a new voter base.
00:00:30.000 To the left, it is not about just politics.
00:00:33.000 And for proof, look at Bernie Sanders.
00:00:36.000 Look at Mamdani.
00:00:37.000 He says he's a Democrat socialist.
00:00:40.000 He cited people, I believe.
00:00:43.000 I don't want to misspeak Mamdani with Marx.
00:00:45.000 I'm not sure.
00:00:46.000 I know that Bernie Sanders has said it's beautiful in theory.
00:00:48.000 I know that people like Hassan Piker have been thrilled to receive Mao's little red book.
00:00:53.000 Well, look at what that means.
00:00:54.000 You have to fundamentally alter society, and you have to do it through underhand means.
00:01:00.000 That's the only way to change it.
00:01:01.000 That's the only way to break apart the capitalist system and to destroy the bourgeoisie to forward the plight of the proletariat.
00:01:11.000 This is not by accident.
00:01:12.000 It's not happenstance.
00:01:14.000 They want to turn you. 0.83
00:01:16.000 They already see you as the enemy.
00:01:17.000 They just want to be able to label you that legally.
00:01:20.000 That's what they've wanted for a very long time.
00:01:21.000 And I don't say that hyperbolically.
00:01:25.000 I mean that.
00:01:25.000 And I've seen it happen in a country where I spent a lot of time in Canada.
00:01:28.000 When truckers protested peacefully, bank accounts frozen.
00:01:33.000 Many of you know, some of whom were arrested.
00:01:35.000 Think about that.
00:01:36.000 They don't actually care about the First Amendment.
00:01:38.000 They don't care about your rights.
00:01:39.000 They want you to be legally declared the enemy.
00:01:43.000 Next chat.
00:01:44.000 All right.
00:01:44.000 Here's a chat for Josh.
00:01:46.000 Question for Josh from TNT Evans.
00:01:48.000 My son scored an 83 on ASFABS.
00:01:50.000 He comes from many military family members.
00:01:52.000 What branch would be best?
00:01:53.000 His uncle was a cavalry scout.
00:01:56.000 Well, that's a hard question.
00:01:57.000 I don't know anything about this person because, you know, I was Army and I, you know, I'm always biased towards that.
00:02:03.000 But the real answer is, you know, what is best suited to you or to the person who is his son, he said?
00:02:09.000 Yes.
00:02:10.000 Yeah, your son.
00:02:11.000 You know, all services are great for their own reasons.
00:02:15.000 I chose the Army because that just made the most sense to me.
00:02:18.000 I thought about the Marine Corps.
00:02:19.000 I thought about the Army.
00:02:21.000 I wanted to do, I didn't know this at the time, but I had the same sentiment as a friend of mine in the Army.
00:02:28.000 His name is Harryman.
00:02:30.000 He was a chaplain.
00:02:32.000 Sorry, he wasn't a chaplain.
00:02:33.000 He was a pastor in his home state of Kentucky.
00:02:37.000 And after 9-11, he joined the Army.
00:02:39.000 And I asked him, I said, I'm curious why you joined the Army and became an infantryman and not a chaplain if you're a man of God and that is your passion is being a pastor.
00:02:50.000 And he said, well, I joined the Army to do Army things.
00:02:54.000 Yeah.
00:02:54.000 I was like, oh, that makes, that's okay.
00:02:56.000 That's why we're infantrymen.
00:02:57.000 Right.
00:02:57.000 Because we want, when we picture joining the army, we picture actually doing the fighting, going to battle and all that.
00:03:03.000 So if that's something that he's interested in, he wants to be the person that they look to for actual combat, then there's lots of combat arms.
00:03:11.000 And I would recommend something like the Army or the Marine Corps or if they have multi-talented.
00:03:18.000 A3 is not a bad score.
00:03:20.000 If they really are interested in doing some really cool stuff, some special operations stuff, then every service branch has combat operators that do those things and they have different specialties.
00:03:28.000 The SEALs are amazing what they do.
00:03:30.000 Not a big fan, personally.
00:03:32.000 They were mean to me.
00:03:34.000 Yeah, they were rude to me.
00:03:35.000 Sorry.
00:03:35.000 Very rude.
00:03:36.000 Cut me in the chow line. 1.00
00:03:39.000 At least you didn't shoot them like the Afghans. 1.00
00:03:41.000 I got a joint commendation award from a Navy colonel.
00:03:44.000 So I'm not too mean.
00:03:46.000 But no, I would say you got to look at their interests, what they're interested in outside of the military afterwards, because there's lots of different job specialties that you can do afterwards that are really specific to your job in the military.
00:03:59.000 You want to work on, if you want to work on technology, the Navy or the Air Force might be a great spot for you because they have some of the best aerospace technology in the Air Force and some of the best naval technology in the Navy.
00:04:13.000 If you want to pull triggers, the Marine Corps of the Army, and I recommend the Army because you do get more choice at the initial spot.
00:04:20.000 The Marine Corps, you can choose a, somebody in chat could probably correct me, but you can choose a field, I believe, based on your ASVAB score.
00:04:27.000 So you choose a field and then they kind of assign a job to you based on that field.
00:04:31.000 In the Army, you get to actually pick your job if you have a high enough ASVAB, which I think 83 is high enough to be able to choose pretty much any job.
00:04:38.000 There's some jobs that require over 90, maybe like Intel specialists or maybe some kind of technical jobs.
00:04:44.000 But for most jobs, 83 is going to be able to let you choose.
00:04:48.000 So, yeah, you get really a lot of choice in the Army.
00:04:50.000 Marine Corps is also pulling triggers, but less choice.
00:04:53.000 Was it the ASVABs that you scored like a 94 on?
00:04:55.000 I scored 94, yeah, out of 99.
00:04:57.000 Yeah, he won't tell you that.
00:04:58.000 Wow.
00:04:59.000 Yeah.
00:04:59.000 No, Josh.
00:04:59.000 Nice job, Josh.
00:05:01.000 Yeah.
00:05:02.000 And also, yeah, it also opens you up to special operations jobs.
00:05:04.000 I know that Rangers was like a 90 minimum or something like that.
00:05:07.000 And I think SEALs have a minimum of like a 60 minimum.
00:05:09.000 No, just kidding.
00:05:10.000 No, no, SEALs have a, I think they have a 90.
00:05:12.000 I was going along with you, like being frustrated.
00:05:14.000 You can always retake that test, too.
00:05:17.000 Yeah, but it's all about, you just got to talk it through and really look at all of them and don't just make a rash decision.
00:05:25.000 Kind of match your interests up with your aptitudes.
00:05:28.000 Yeah, and think about the future.
00:05:29.000 You know, a lot of people go in thinking this is what they're going to do, and then they drone warfare.
00:05:33.000 And then a few of your friends die, and you're like, well, maybe I don't want to do this forever.
00:05:37.000 Right.
00:05:38.000 And you're like, well, what does an infantryman do outside?
00:05:40.000 Yeah.
00:05:41.000 Oh, shit.
00:05:41.000 I could, okay.
00:05:43.000 I could pull security at the Kohl's.
00:05:45.000 Well, I saw a TikTok video, so I guess now I'm just going to defy orders.
00:05:48.000 Yeah.
00:05:51.000 You can't tell me to do that.
00:05:52.000 That one guy, what's this?
00:05:54.000 The guy we saw the follow-up video.
00:05:57.000 Chris Murphy.
00:05:57.000 No, not Chris Murphy.
00:05:59.000 The one who was wearing the shirt that looked like a drafting shoe.
00:06:01.000 Jason Crow?
00:06:02.000 Yeah, Crow, Jason Crow.
00:06:04.000 He was an officer and was an Army Ranger for the war.
00:06:07.000 I'm not even sure if he was a Ranger, if he just has a Ranger tab.
00:06:10.000 It's a very big distinction that most people don't understand.
00:06:13.000 But when he was making that sedition video, which is what I call it now, when he was making a sedition video, I was just like, dude, every Army Ranger is watching this, laughing at you and calling you a pussy.
00:06:23.000 Yeah, I know.
00:06:24.000 I mean, I can imagine.
00:06:25.000 I just can't imagine that anyone even remotely matched would respect him.
00:06:29.000 But good advice.
00:06:30.000 Let's grab another chat.
00:06:31.000 All right, let's see.
00:06:32.000 Next chant from that fine fellow.
00:06:35.000 Have leftists saluted themselves enough with their contradictory obsession with perceived harms, or is it all just manipulation to get votes?
00:06:43.000 I don't fully understand the question, but it's definitely all just a manipulation.
00:06:47.000 Sure.
00:06:48.000 Whatever the first part is, the second part is always this answer.
00:06:51.000 Yeah, it's not something that can be followed with logical consistency.
00:06:55.000 And I mean that.
00:06:56.000 It's truly not.
00:06:57.000 The fact that you have seen actual Palestine flags next to rainbow flags, it tells you that these people have not thought this through.
00:07:04.000 And it explains to you why they don't show up to defend their opinions, to defend their positions.
00:07:09.000 And it also tells you why I don't count, generally speaking, I'm very, very hesitant to count someone amongst our ranks as a conservative if they follow the same tact.
00:07:19.000 If they throw out and ask questions and accusations and they don't show up to defend it ever, well, we're not the party, the umbrella, the political wing that does that.
00:07:29.000 We're the ones who've always sort of focused on debate, on arguing our position because we believe in them as stronger.
00:07:37.000 It doesn't mean, by the way, that you can't be caught flat-footed against someone who has ideas that are worse than you and they're a very, very skilled debater.
00:07:43.000 But as a general rule, historically, conservatives, and certainly all the way through the 20th century to today, we have been very much championing at the bit to have debates and conversations, and the left avoids them.
00:07:55.000 You really only see them come out for a debate out of necessity before the general elections.
00:08:01.000 I mean, we saw one even remotely hostile.
00:08:05.000 And by that, I mean slight pushback interview with Kamala Harris, and it was Brett Baer, and she absolutely fell apart.
00:08:10.000 You go back before that, Joe Biden didn't do any, right?
00:08:13.000 He didn't even have campaign rallies.
00:08:15.000 He did it from his basement.
00:08:17.000 This is not how the right operates.
00:08:19.000 It is how the left operates.
00:08:20.000 And now there's a contingency on the right who act the same way, which is always concerning to me.
00:08:24.000 It doesn't mean that you have to debate every single person with a random X in their profile.
00:08:29.000 We all know what would be considered equal footing, and it's something that I look for.
00:08:33.000 Next chat.
00:08:34.000 All right.
00:08:34.000 Next chat from Snow White Warrior.
00:08:37.000 Question for the crew.
00:08:38.000 Are the voting registrations of all the deportees being deleted?
00:08:42.000 If not, won't they still likely be voting?
00:08:44.000 That's a good question.
00:08:45.000 That is a good question, yeah.
00:08:46.000 I think it depends on municipalities and the states.
00:08:50.000 We covered a couple of stories where they did purge some voting rolls.
00:08:53.000 They're just really bad at it like it doesn't matter.
00:08:55.000 Right.
00:08:55.000 It's one of those things that's like, oh, this is too hard.
00:08:57.000 I guess we, this is like one of the foundational things of our country, guys.
00:09:00.000 Can we get this right, please?
00:09:01.000 Yeah, it's the same.
00:09:02.000 They always act like it's such an oppression or an intrusion into your rights.
00:09:06.000 Like, voter ID, got to have my wallet.
00:09:11.000 The license, like if I wanted to check out a license, come on.
00:09:15.000 Ridiculous.
00:09:16.000 Yeah, but you register every single year.
00:09:18.000 You should have to rewrite.
00:09:19.000 I need to bring my ID to vote for the president.
00:09:22.000 Okay, poll pot.
00:09:23.000 Yeah, but nobody throwing a fit about TSA charging $18 for people not having a real ID.
00:09:28.000 Yeah, I know.
00:09:29.000 I know.
00:09:30.000 I know.
00:09:30.000 It's just what do you really care about?
00:09:32.000 I know.
00:09:32.000 Obviously.
00:09:33.000 I know.
00:09:34.000 I know.
00:09:34.000 And then that was also like the libertarians.
00:09:36.000 They should never be able to ask for your papers.
00:09:38.000 That's Nazi Germany.
00:09:39.000 It's like, well, no, not the whole thing.
00:09:41.000 The context doesn't matter.
00:09:42.000 It's why they were asking for papers.
00:09:44.000 And we get it, search and seizures, but that's not really the same thing as being in a republic.
00:09:50.000 It's a little different.
00:09:51.000 Yeah.
00:09:52.000 And the papers define different things.
00:09:54.000 Yes.
00:09:55.000 Yes.
00:09:56.000 It was a different paper.
00:09:57.000 It wasn't, let me see your identification proving that you're a German citizen.
00:10:00.000 It was.
00:10:00.000 Yeah.
00:10:01.000 Let me see your ethnic heritage.
00:10:03.000 Yes.
00:10:04.000 Let me explain to you the difference between Nazi Germany, the Gestapo, right?
00:10:08.000 Because they've compared ICE to the Gestapo.
00:10:11.000 Okay.
00:10:11.000 So let's just picture this as a wall.
00:10:16.000 That's what I have.
00:10:16.000 Okay.
00:10:17.000 So Nazi Germany, okay?
00:10:20.000 The Gestapo were making sure that people were not allowed to leave ever, right?
00:10:26.000 Get back in your ghettos.
00:10:28.000 In the United States, ICE is taking people here who shouldn't be here legally and sending them back to their country of origin, which, by the way, is just as equal as the United States because all cultures are equal.
00:10:41.000 I think you're saying killing them.
00:10:42.000 Right.
00:10:43.000 No, no, no.
00:10:43.000 I think you're saying killing them.
00:10:44.000 No, no.
00:10:45.000 Or maybe I thought maybe you'd come up with follow-up of like, they're going to put them on a train to go work in a work camp and gas.
00:10:51.000 They're not putting them to work.
00:10:52.000 No.
00:10:52.000 They're stopping them working.
00:10:53.000 As a matter of fact, they're actually paying for their flights.
00:10:55.000 And if you don't so bother the Gestapo, sorry, I mean, ICE, if you actually just self-deport and go through the legal process, you actually get $1,000 cash.
00:11:04.000 Did the Gestapo do that?
00:11:05.000 Did they give Jewish people $1,000?
00:11:08.000 Whatever it was called back then.
00:11:09.000 Right.
00:11:09.000 No.
00:11:10.000 They primarily said get back into your human mass huddle or we'll kill you.
00:11:15.000 Here, they're taking them and sending them back to their family, you know, where they send their money.
00:11:19.000 Goodbye.
00:11:19.000 And they speak the language.
00:11:21.000 Right.
00:11:21.000 And they're familiar with the culture.
00:11:22.000 Yeah.
00:11:22.000 The primary difference, primary difference is keeping people inside versus sending people back.
00:11:30.000 Like they're allowed to, they should leave.
00:11:32.000 It's you're not allowed to leave, Gestapo, versus, hey, you need to leave and then be free where you came from.
00:11:39.000 ICE.
00:11:40.000 Also, when they tried to escape, and not only did they not get $1,000, they usually got free lead if they tried to escape.
00:11:45.000 Yes, with a Gestapo.
00:11:47.000 So hopefully that clarifies it for you.
00:11:48.000 Next chat.
00:11:49.000 All right, next chat from Lodge Black.
00:11:51.000 Question for the crew.
00:11:52.000 My family has lived in the San Luis Valley, Colorado for three generations, but their first language is Spanish.
00:11:58.000 How would you respond to people who take issue with the speak English or get out?
00:12:02.000 Speak English or get out. 0.99
00:12:03.000 Speak English?
00:12:04.000 Or auto.
00:12:06.000 That question is a little confusing.
00:12:08.000 You said primary language.
00:12:09.000 There's nothing wrong with using a different language than English as your primary language in your house.
00:12:13.000 If you speak English and you use English where English is necessary, like the grocery store or like, I don't know, the bank or when you vote.
00:12:20.000 Right, post office.
00:12:22.000 It doesn't have to be like perfect either.
00:12:23.000 Yeah, I have no problem with somebody speaking another language in their home.
00:12:26.000 I have no problem with somebody being proud of their heritage and teaching their kids, hey, you need to speak Spanish because we come from Mexico and that's our heritage and you know how to speak to your grandma.
00:12:34.000 Bad English.
00:12:35.000 Right.
00:12:36.000 Yeah.
00:12:36.000 And it's all the thing is that's odd is like this wouldn't be a question that would need to be answered.
00:12:40.000 If that's the context, it was assumed people who came here to this country had to learn a common language.
00:12:45.000 And I've told you that I've spent some time going to an Orthodox church and the priest there is very nice.
00:12:50.000 They're Armenian.
00:12:51.000 They do the service in both Armenian and English, so it's very, very long.
00:12:55.000 It's actually quite a good example of people who come here who are very, very proud to be American and also preserve their culture as far as food, as far as traditions, but it melds with American culture.
00:13:08.000 At no point would they feel wronged with the expectation of speaking English.
00:13:13.000 So maybe you could clarify if you mean it's their primary language or they don't speak English.
00:13:17.000 There's a big difference.
00:13:18.000 You come here, you need to speak English.
00:13:20.000 That's it.
00:13:21.000 You must speak it to the extent that it can be used as a communication tool in public life.
00:13:28.000 If not, you shouldn't be here.
00:13:31.000 Maybe you can clarify with a follow-up.
00:13:32.000 Next chat.
00:13:33.000 All right.
00:13:33.000 Next chat from Mustang GuyO6.
00:13:36.000 Question for Crowder and the crew.
00:13:38.000 How can we abolish the IRS so us hardworking Americans don't give up so much hard-earned money?
00:13:43.000 Oh, get right on that.
00:13:45.000 Yeah, no kidding.
00:13:47.000 I mean, we thought that we're going to get the FBI cleaned out.
00:13:50.000 Yeah.
00:13:50.000 No, exactly.
00:13:51.000 You're never going to do it.
00:13:52.000 No, you're never going to abolish the IRS.
00:13:55.000 I agree.
00:13:55.000 People say taxation is theft to a large extent.
00:13:58.000 I agree, certainly the way that taxation exists right now.
00:14:01.000 But this idea, and there's nothing wrong with it, I understand in principle.
00:14:06.000 If you don't allow it to cloud your judgment and make, you know, the perfect is the enemy of the good.
00:14:13.000 Where if you go, oh, only 1.5 trillion in cuts, this is bullshit rhino.
00:14:18.000 I get it.
00:14:19.000 But if you operate under the pretense that we're not going to abolish the IRS when we still have an FBI telling us that crooks had no digital footprint, there's quite a ways to go.
00:14:31.000 Also, nobody's put forward a very good plan except for the 999 plan that was put forward on like what Community can replace it with essentially because there's a fair tax, there's a flat tax.
00:14:40.000 It has to be replaced with something that we'll have to pay taxes. 0.95
00:14:43.000 We have to pay for things.
00:14:43.000 We have to be able to say, hey, we paid for the taxes so we have control over it.
00:14:47.000 A fair tax would be only a sales tax that would be higher.
00:14:50.000 It's abolishing the IRS.
00:14:51.000 It's actually just converting it or getting rid of that current system and putting in a new system.
00:14:55.000 So that's why I get a little bit like, abolish IRS?
00:14:57.000 Okay, taxes are theft.
00:14:58.000 Fine.
00:14:58.000 You want to see what a world looks like without paying any taxes?
00:15:01.000 Right.
00:15:01.000 Okay.
00:15:02.000 We can do that.
00:15:02.000 And we've talked about it, by the way.
00:15:04.000 Well, yeah, you want privatized military, privatized everything, and then you have no leverage.
00:15:10.000 No protection?
00:15:11.000 You have no leverage because you can't say as a taxpayer.
00:15:14.000 As a what?
00:15:14.000 As a what taxpayer?
00:15:15.000 Shut up. 0.95
00:15:16.000 You don't pay nothing.
00:15:17.000 We'll do whatever the hell we want.
00:15:18.000 Right.
00:15:19.000 Limited taxation is fine.
00:15:21.000 I think the crazy taxation that we have right now, I understand.
00:15:26.000 I think the punitive tax for building wealth is ridiculous.
00:15:29.000 Yes, no kidding.
00:15:30.000 I think any tax that punishes people for building wealth, any tax that punishes people for investing.
00:15:34.000 Yeah.
00:15:35.000 Okay.
00:15:36.000 That's a problem.
00:15:36.000 I love Elon Musk getting crap for the taxes.
00:15:39.000 And I was like, everybody forgets.
00:15:41.000 Right.
00:15:41.000 But most of his wealth is tied up in stock.
00:15:43.000 They're like, well, that's just how the rich do it.
00:15:44.000 Okay, well, then go put everything on the line and build a company.
00:15:47.000 Also, he paid $11 billion in taxes personally in one year, the largest tax bill ever paid.
00:15:55.000 I don't care what he did the four years prior.
00:15:58.000 I don't care what he did the 10 years prior.
00:16:00.000 I actually think, and I know this will never happen, in principle, you should pay a lot, if anything, pay a lower percentage the more you make.
00:16:06.000 And we should have incentives to invest.
00:16:09.000 We should have tax incentives and breaks to start businesses.
00:16:12.000 There should be a break in taxes for every person you employ as opposed to punitive taxes for growth.
00:16:18.000 There you go.
00:16:19.000 That's my opinion.
00:16:20.000 But I'll take a flat tax.
00:16:21.000 I believe in the flat tax, but I think that there's people more educated and smarter than me that might have a reason why it wouldn't work.
00:16:27.000 But it's the most fair, I think.
00:16:28.000 Yeah.
00:16:29.000 In my simple mind.
00:16:30.000 Well, Hauser's Law.
00:16:31.000 I've talked about that.
00:16:32.000 Look that up.
00:16:32.000 It doesn't matter what you tax, whether the tax rate is 20% or 90%, you still end up generating the same amount of revenue.
00:16:39.000 So within a very narrow bank.
00:16:40.000 Yeah, it's like within 16 to 21%, and it pretty much averages around 18%.
00:16:46.000 So when our top marginal tax rates were 90%, right, nobody actually paid that versus when they were at their lowest, that still ends up being a remarkably consistent amount of revenue.
00:16:56.000 As far as income tax, something people didn't take into account is the tariffs generating a ton of revenue.
00:17:02.000 That's not really something that you feel, though, as Americans.
00:17:05.000 I understand that.
00:17:05.000 That's something that would ideally be used to pay off some of our debt.
00:17:10.000 Yeah, and I'm getting it.
00:17:10.000 Hopefully.
00:17:11.000 Yeah, but I don't think that's going to happen.
00:17:13.000 I mean, the real reason that we're not really concerned with paying off our debt is a lot of it is held by China, and they have more debt per person than we do.
00:17:20.000 So it's like at a certain point, it's just going to be a Mexican standoff.
00:17:23.000 Pretty much.
00:17:23.000 It's like, you owe me.
00:17:24.000 No, you owe me.
00:17:25.000 How many IOUs?
00:17:26.000 I don't know how many IOUs.
00:17:27.000 I was like, oh, we want to just call it even.
00:17:29.000 Be a nice little war, and then we'll just wipe the balance.
00:17:32.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:17:32.000 All right, guys.
00:17:33.000 We lost.
00:17:35.000 We lost the beige books.
00:17:36.000 Next chat.
00:17:37.000 All right.
00:17:38.000 Next chat from Talent Loan from God.
00:17:40.000 Question for Stephen.
00:17:42.000 At what point do you think Americans will just say enough is enough and bring back tar and feathering style treatment of politicians?
00:17:48.000 You know what's funny is it sounds horrifying.
00:17:50.000 It does.
00:17:50.000 But when I heard that tar and it wasn't like boiling tar.
00:17:55.000 See, that makes a difference.
00:17:55.000 It was more like hairy in home alone.
00:17:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:17:58.000 Except, you know, replaced the middle of tar.
00:18:00.000 Now, I'm not saying that every now and then some boiling tar didn't get in there.
00:18:03.000 Okay, I'm sure there were some people who had an axe to grind.
00:18:07.000 Stephen, did you boil this tower?
00:18:08.000 That tar was a little bit hotter than it needed to be.
00:18:11.000 I don't know the recipe for microwaving tar.
00:18:13.000 I might have put it in too long.
00:18:16.000 But I understand the principle of it.
00:18:18.000 That bad.
00:18:18.000 Tar and feathering.
00:18:19.000 Like, this is the thing.
00:18:20.000 Humiliation worked to some degree, right?
00:18:25.000 But that only works if you have a culture that values honor because the idea was that it was dishonoring.
00:18:32.000 I mean, you know what?
00:18:32.000 Whipping post?
00:18:34.000 That was primarily used for men who were found to have been beating their wives. 1.00
00:18:39.000 Also, by the way, if you were found to have been beaten by your wife, you were paraded through town and embarrassed.
00:18:43.000 That's true.
00:18:44.000 Because it was like, well, you don't wanna beating you.
00:18:46.000 It was like, you don't have control over your woman. 0.77
00:18:47.000 But it's like, hey, but if you're beating your wife, we don't respect men who beat the vulnerable.
00:18:52.000 So, yeah, whipping post comes from that too.
00:18:54.000 We used that.
00:18:55.000 Think about stocks, right?
00:18:56.000 Public execution is obviously much more severe.
00:18:58.000 But tar and feathering is a way that, hey, it looks like a giant chicken.
00:19:01.000 You just described three things that already I see every pride parade: people with handcuffs, featherless feathers, and tar and feathers.
00:19:11.000 What was the other one?
00:19:13.000 Whipping post.
00:19:13.000 Yeah, whipping post.
00:19:14.000 Yeah.
00:19:14.000 Well, that's pretty much part and parcel.
00:19:17.000 Sounds like a good time for them.
00:19:18.000 You'd be hard pressed to find a gay pride parade that doesn't have a whipping post. 1.00
00:19:21.000 Yeah, I know.
00:19:22.000 It's true.
00:19:22.000 Or some feathers.
00:19:23.000 Yeah.
00:19:24.000 Sometimes you just have a float looking like where they hang the goat in Jurassic Park for the T-Rex.
00:19:29.000 You're like, ah, I guess the gay escaped. 1.00
00:19:31.000 Oh, no.
00:19:32.000 Don't eat me.
00:19:34.000 Then you just see the GHB going final chapter.
00:19:40.000 Oh, sorry, two chats.
00:19:41.000 All right.
00:19:42.000 Well, we have a quick follow-up from Lodge Black.
00:19:44.000 I'll just give you that.
00:19:45.000 All my family from my grandparents on learned English.
00:19:48.000 My aunt is sympathetic because they grew up very poor.
00:19:50.000 Josh, thank you for your service.
00:19:51.000 So it sounds like they do, at least knowing they do speak English.
00:19:55.000 I don't have any problems.
00:19:55.000 That's what's important.
00:19:56.000 You got to be able to communicate with the people in this country.
00:19:58.000 You got to be able to not be a burden.
00:20:02.000 Right.
00:20:02.000 I always say, how do you make it better?
00:20:05.000 Right.
00:20:06.000 Let's not talk about how you make things worse.
00:20:07.000 How do you make it better?
00:20:08.000 How do you not speak English, speaking English?
00:20:11.000 How does that make it better for anybody else around you?
00:20:14.000 Right.
00:20:15.000 You can't give me a reason.
00:20:16.000 No, it's a very good point.
00:20:17.000 And by the way, that's how we enter into all relationships.
00:20:20.000 And at some point in time, people thought that carrying your own weight meant that it wasn't love, like it's transactional.
00:20:31.000 No, once you're in a, let's just use an example, like relationships.
00:20:35.000 Once you're in a relationship, of course, it's not entirely transactional.
00:20:39.000 Of course, you're there to support each other, right?
00:20:40.000 That's why we say for richer or poor, better or worse.
00:20:43.000 And if you marry somebody who is the breadwinner and they get into a car accident and they're now disabled, of course you're not going to leave them because they're not able to provide that transaction. 0.92
00:20:53.000 But nobody enters into a relationship, friendship, intimate relationship, or a relationship between nations, unless that relationship makes both parties better.
00:21:05.000 That's the primary criteria in entering a relationship.
00:21:10.000 You don't go, hey, if I marry this woman, I'm going to be worse off. 1.00
00:21:17.000 Or if I marry this man, I'm going to be worse off.
00:21:19.000 It's why women don't marry dead beats. 1.00
00:21:21.000 And it's why men typically don't want to marry caustic women. 1.00
00:21:25.000 Same thing.
00:21:25.000 You don't go, hey, hold on a second.
00:21:27.000 Let's start a relationship with a country who brings nothing to the table will only be a net drain.
00:21:33.000 That's not a thing.
00:21:35.000 And so that's how we have to start these relationships.
00:21:38.000 And there's nothing wrong about that.
00:21:40.000 Then once you're in a relationship, that's where loyalty obviously exists.
00:21:44.000 But loyalty exists after you get through the interview process.
00:21:48.000 Put it that way.
00:21:49.000 When people say, hey, what happened to loyalty?
00:21:50.000 It's like, well, I'm not your friend.
00:21:52.000 We haven't decided to be friends.
00:21:54.000 It would be like some woman you went on one date with, or let's say three dates with.
00:21:59.000 Where's your loyalty?
00:22:00.000 Because you answered a phone call from someone else who was nicer.
00:22:03.000 So what do you mean?
00:22:04.000 We didn't enter into a relationship.
00:22:05.000 We had coffee.
00:22:07.000 Hey, where's your loyalty to me?
00:22:08.000 It's like, well, you're not my friend.
00:22:10.000 I'm being loyal to my actual friend.
00:22:12.000 Like, I play racquetball with you once a month.
00:22:15.000 This guy's been my best friend since I was 12 years old.
00:22:17.000 So the left will try and warp loyalty.
00:22:20.000 And they'll try and warp what a relationship is.
00:22:22.000 They'll tell women that, you know, there should be no expectations of you. 0.93
00:22:25.000 Otherwise, it's transactional.
00:22:27.000 They'll tell you that you're supposed to be loyal to all citizens, to all members of the community in Charlotte, even though some literally aren't citizens of this country.
00:22:37.000 They haven't actually sworn any allegiance to it.
00:22:40.000 And they're not even loyal enough to you to learn your freaking language.
00:22:43.000 Right.
00:22:44.000 When they come asking for something from you.
00:22:46.000 Right.
00:22:47.000 Yeah.
00:22:47.000 And it's the same way we.
00:22:50.000 When we bring in immigrants, we are engaging in a relationship, contractual. 1.00
00:22:55.000 Okay.
00:22:55.000 We are allowing you into our community.
00:22:57.000 You are now in a relationship with the United States and its citizens.
00:23:02.000 Okay.
00:23:03.000 So the deciding factor is: will this relationship make us better off than if we were not in this relationship?
00:23:11.000 And that's another example of the difference beyond just pre-welfare state, post-welfare state.
00:23:16.000 With immigrants who are coming here, you know, in the early part of the 20th century, that's often what you think.
00:23:21.000 We were going, hey, will we be better off?
00:23:24.000 Sure, some of them are poor.
00:23:26.000 Some of them may not be the brightest right now.
00:23:29.000 But we have a country that's very sparsely populated.
00:23:32.000 We need people.
00:23:33.000 And as long as they come here under the conditions that they need to work, okay, that will be a net gain.
00:23:38.000 All right.
00:23:39.000 That's always been the criteria.
00:23:40.000 What do you bring to the table?
00:23:42.000 And only then do you procure loyalty, the constitutional rights of an American citizen.
00:23:49.000 The Constitution is a form of loyalty.
00:23:51.000 Right.
00:23:52.000 That's exactly right.
00:23:52.000 It's a founding father's loyalty to its citizens.
00:23:55.000 It's a form of loyalty to citizens who also pledge allegiance to said relationship, the flag.
00:24:03.000 Okay, great.
00:24:03.000 You're under our umbrella.
00:24:05.000 Okay.
00:24:06.000 You're loyal.
00:24:07.000 We are loyal.
00:24:08.000 There can be no loyalty if it's one way.
00:24:11.000 It's not a thing.
00:24:11.000 Final chat.
00:24:12.000 All right.
00:24:13.000 Final chat from Miso Muggy.
00:24:15.000 Miso Muggy.
00:24:16.000 How do you talk to a fiancé who avoids politics because she thinks both sides are bad and who tends to shut down and get defensive when I share my right-leaning views?
00:24:25.000 Josh, thank you for your service.
00:24:26.000 Thank you, mean your former fiancé.
00:24:28.000 Yeah.
00:24:28.000 Yeah, I mean.
00:24:29.000 I mean, that's a tough one in life advice.
00:24:31.000 We'd probably end up pretty close to that point if that's a real sticking point that's not going to go away.
00:24:35.000 No, she might feel uncomfortable.
00:24:37.000 I'm assuming she shuts down when he talks about conservative leanings.
00:24:42.000 Maybe she didn't say argued.
00:24:45.000 It said shut down.
00:24:46.000 I think maybe she might feel unqualified for the conversation and uncomfortable.
00:24:52.000 Maybe.
00:24:52.000 I know people like that.
00:24:53.000 They don't want to talk politics at all, and they'll be the best friend to you.
00:24:56.000 They might disagree with you, but they can't articulate their opinions.
00:24:59.000 They don't necessarily know their opinions.
00:25:01.000 They don't know all the information.
00:25:03.000 It doesn't seem like she hates your right-leaning views.
00:25:06.000 It's just maybe she's uncomfortable being talked at about something she doesn't understand.
00:25:12.000 Well, she adds the shuts down and gets defensive. 1.00
00:25:15.000 It gets defensive.
00:25:17.000 I agree with you.
00:25:18.000 I would agree with you if you were talking about a relationship between two men, like a friendship, because I think men are better at separating.
00:25:24.000 Like, okay, we're never going to agree on this.
00:25:25.000 Like me and Gerald and Transformers 4.
00:25:28.000 Guy can't shut up about it.
00:25:30.000 Yeah, I know.
00:25:30.000 It's just, it's all that's.
00:25:31.000 It's all based on a lie.
00:25:32.000 Who's better with Shia? 1.00
00:25:34.000 We get it.
00:25:35.000 Okay, fine.
00:25:36.000 He's a priest now or something or cleric.
00:25:37.000 It was a colonel of truth.
00:25:39.000 But in a relationship, like a relationship that is going to be leading to marriage, a huge component of that, I would imagine, as a man is support.
00:25:50.000 And so if this is something you're obviously passionate about, this is part of the very fiber of your being, and she takes no interest or gets defensive.
00:26:00.000 It would be one thing if you got into a relationship.
00:26:02.000 And this is why I say I don't have all the variables here.
00:26:04.000 If you got into a relationship and you weren't engaged yet and she didn't really take an interest in politics and she said both sides are bad, and then you spoke about it and she said, well, you know, okay, maybe that'll give me something to think about, right?
00:26:15.000 Because she hadn't thought about it.
00:26:16.000 That happens all the time.
00:26:17.000 Like, you know, you introduce a woman to new movies or new foods and you find her like, oh, oh, wow, okay, you know what? 0.85
00:26:22.000 I like this thing that you brought to the table.
00:26:23.000 And I'm glad you introduced me to this.
00:26:25.000 But she knows it's very important to you and it's never not going to be important to you.
00:26:30.000 And if she gets quiet and or defensive, that to me is partially a signal that she is unwilling to support you in something that if you believe is important to you will become a friction point.
00:26:43.000 If it didn't matter to you, if it wasn't something that was foundational to you, then okay, fine.
00:26:50.000 But she is making a judgment, meaning put yourself in her shoes.
00:26:53.000 This is just my opinion.
00:26:54.000 She's going, okay, I want to be with this man for the rest of my life.
00:26:58.000 That's what marriage is. 0.94
00:26:59.000 Okay.
00:27:00.000 What does that mean?
00:27:01.000 Well, you know what your role is, your duty as a man.
00:27:03.000 And thinking from her perspective, my duty is to create peace, love, support for him, right, as a complimentary couple.
00:27:12.000 Okay.
00:27:13.000 What are the things he needs support in?
00:27:15.000 I would imagine the things that get you most impassioned, your foundational views, which are probably going to dictate some of your actions, right?
00:27:22.000 You'll probably be politically active.
00:27:24.000 It'll probably include a lot of the content, news that you consume.
00:27:28.000 And she's going, no, I don't care about it, so I'm not going to take part.
00:27:33.000 You've now cut out a big chunk of your life that you can't share.
00:27:37.000 She's making the judgment that I'm not willing to either learn about it enough to understand why you are passionate about it or care about it enough.
00:27:47.000 But if it really, really matters to you, and I would say this, it's something that's pretty important.
00:27:53.000 It's not like if it really matters to you and it's pickleball, and she goes, her support is go play pickleball, right?
00:27:58.000 She doesn't need to take part in that. 0.64
00:28:00.000 But if this really, really matters to you and it is something that is kind of consequential and she has decided that she won't make it matter to her, the reason that she has decided she won't make it matter to her, I think could be a serious friction point.
00:28:17.000 And I think you should ask her about it.
00:28:20.000 If this is important to you, again, assuming that, I would bring it up with her and say, hey, look, this is something that you obviously see I'm really passionate about and matters to me a lot.
00:28:30.000 And I would imagine if you're watching right now in Rumble Premium, you're probably pretty educated on it and you probably could help teach her about it.
00:28:40.000 Yeah.
00:28:40.000 Tell her that and say, so why don't you take an interest?
00:28:47.000 Or why do you go quiet?
00:28:50.000 What is it about this that you don't want to take part in?
00:28:54.000 And I would also put the ball in her court. 0.87
00:28:56.000 What do you believe and why?
00:28:58.000 And are you at least willing to engage in reasoning your position as to what you believe and why and us discussing it?
00:29:05.000 Because if she's not going to discuss it, if she falls silent and gets defensive, that's a huge chunk of your life that you now have to just cut out and you only share with other people, not your wife.
00:29:15.000 And that's never a good place, in my opinion, if it's something that is foundational to you.
00:29:20.000 Were you about to say there's something, a clarifying thing, Noodles?
00:29:23.000 No, no.
00:29:24.000 We're just watching the chat to see if they were adding anything else.
00:29:27.000 I would say not to be compative either.
00:29:29.000 No.
00:29:30.000 You know, you love this woman because if she's getting defensive, maybe it's maybe she's misconstruing how you're coming off, you know?
00:29:39.000 Yeah.
00:29:39.000 You could be like, you know, beating her over the head with the Bible kind of thing.
00:29:42.000 So it's like the Constitution.
00:29:44.000 No, I do think you have to have, and the reason I said it sounds like your former fiancé is like, I just, I think we have to take this more seriously than we do a lot of times.
00:29:53.000 People think like, oh, well, it's just a political difference.
00:29:55.000 It's like, well, do you have an economic difference?
00:29:57.000 Like, do you disagree on economic policy?
00:29:59.000 Fine, you can deal with that.
00:30:00.000 No big deal.
00:30:01.000 Like, you think it should be done this way.
00:30:02.000 I think it should be done this way.
00:30:02.000 Whatever.
00:30:03.000 How do you feel about transing kids?
00:30:05.000 How do you feel about abortion?
00:30:07.000 How do you feel about immigration?
00:30:09.000 How do you feel about public education and how kids, potentially yours in the future, should be educated?
00:30:16.000 Who has the right to be able to come into your home and take your kids from you, if anybody?
00:30:20.000 There are a lot of things that really do matter that are going to be sticking issues that you need to talk about now.
00:30:25.000 And you may find that those issues are issues of agreement.
00:30:28.000 And thank God because you're engaged.
00:30:30.000 But if you don't sit down and say, hey, this is a really important conversation for me, am I coming about this the wrong way?
00:30:35.000 Like, am I approaching this conversation the wrong way?
00:30:37.000 Do we just disagree on some fundamental issues?
00:30:40.000 If they are truly big, fundamental issues, not like I like Republicans more than I like Democrats or vice versa, then you have to talk about them.
00:30:48.000 And I don't think you get equally yoked with somebody who completely disagrees on major, major decisions.
00:30:54.000 Not every one of these political things is major.
00:30:56.000 A lot of them are.
00:30:57.000 And also, I will say this too.
00:31:00.000 Again, it is different between male and female because there are guys I've known who go, I don't pay attention to politics.
00:31:06.000 It seems like it's all a rigged game.
00:31:08.000 I pay my taxes, but I want people to leave me alone.
00:31:11.000 I want us to be safe.
00:31:12.000 And I want as long as people aren't hurting anyone else, then it's none of my business.
00:31:15.000 A lot of guys, that'll be the default position if they're apolitical, right?
00:31:19.000 A woman who says she's apolitical, the default position is feminism because she's been bombarded with it from birth to today. 1.00
00:31:24.000 It's very, very different.
00:31:25.000 A woman who says, I don't know, I think both sides are bad. 0.63
00:31:27.000 Then you get into the social issues and the cultural issues.
00:31:30.000 And if you had to bet your life, absolutely bet your life that she leans left sociologically with feminism. 1.00
00:31:38.000 That's the important thing.
00:31:40.000 Women think they don't take an interest, but the message has constantly been not just, we're not just talking about women's rights, but you are perfect. 0.65
00:31:47.000 Patriarchy, male privilege, right? 0.56
00:31:49.000 Boss, babe. 1.00
00:31:50.000 There have not been many positive messages out there that have been targeted to women in these last generations.
00:31:59.000 It's just not a thing.
00:32:00.000 Now, I would say there have been a lot of negative messages, obviously, targeted towards men.
00:32:03.000 Men have a different accountability structure where if a man, for example, is conservative, if he is a Christian, that enclave will protect him or they will hold him accountable.
00:32:12.000 And that's more powerful than the message coming from Hollywood or the media.
00:32:17.000 We don't see that as much with women. 1.00
00:32:18.000 That's why you see more women in the Christian church voting Democrat than male atheists. 0.84
00:32:25.000 These are statistical realities.
00:32:26.000 The default position of an apolitical woman is going to be further to the left than the default position of a man. 0.99
00:32:34.000 And I would take that into account and ask her about those issues because you don't want to be blindsided by those once you get to the point of having children and deciding how to raise them.
00:32:45.000 Have these conversations.
00:32:46.000 And you know what?
00:32:47.000 If there's some progress, please do follow up.
00:32:49.000 I'd be curious to see where they lead.
00:32:51.000 I realized we went late here for a Friday show.
00:32:53.000 We're going to see you guys on Monday.
00:32:55.000 And then we do Monday, Tuesday, and then it's Thanksgiving Go.
00:32:57.000 next week.
00:33:08.000 Check out at the store without a line.
00:33:11.000 We gotta put ice on overtime to make these changes countrywide.
00:33:17.000 They're all gone from Carolina. 0.90