The ladies are back, and this time they are joined by Professor Jonathan Zimmerman, who will be on the show on April 10th at UPenn. Plus, a story about a man who would not have eaten soup if he had it, and the story of a boy named Augustus who never had any soup.
00:04:19.000It's an awful place, but he's a nice man.
00:04:21.000Hey, we've had about 10 professors back out.
00:04:24.000This is 10 years in the making, 10 schools, and we're going to actually show you some of the communications with professors who agreed to do it, PhDs.
00:04:32.000Ivy League, and then they laid out their demands, and then they backed out.
00:04:36.000This is the only guy who was willing to show up.
00:04:39.000Hopefully, we get more who come forward, but let me ask you, why do you think that is?
00:04:44.000We've always been asking professors at the Change My Minds.
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00:10:21.000All right, before we get to anything else, speaking of universities, researchers at Northwestern University, they designed this prototype robot that can still function.
00:10:29.000I'm using this term loosely after taking damage.
00:10:33.000This is when people talk about research on campus, they're talking about stuff like this.
00:13:25.000Hey, here's the next thing we want to talk about.
00:13:28.000So, first off, let me ask you Has there ever been a time where female leads attacking their largely male audience has fared well for the movie?
00:17:25.000Men, or by the way, I'm sure plenty of women who are fans of Supergirl, fans of the franchise, fans of the comic series, if they comment, that's tantamount to them thinking they own your body?
00:17:39.000Like, have you seen how many write ups there have been about every single male superhero, specifically their workout regimens, what they did to get in shape, the grueling workouts?
00:17:48.000The diuretics they have to take, the trend balone that they don't tell you about.
00:17:52.000And she just, you know, she's an average woman there.
00:18:49.000Like a comic book that wasn't, like a character that wasn't man.
00:18:52.000There was a few shows recently that came out where characters were either made trans, they were either made gay when they weren't, or they were made a woman when they were actually a man.
00:21:19.000Terminator 2, Charlie's Angels, Tomb Raider, both the original and the Redux, Resident Evil, Underworld, and even the original Wonder Woman till you ruined it.
00:22:02.000There's an example of doing it right, doing it poorly.
00:22:04.000We just gave you examples of plenty of female action leads who did it right, or at least were accepted, were celebrated.
00:22:10.000And then there are failures like Captain Marvel, She Hulk, Snow White, Star Trek, the Ghostbusters female one, the Rings of Power, Ocean's Eight.
00:22:19.000You could look at that and say the common denominator.
00:22:22.000The common thread is woman, but we just gave you nearly as many examples of female action leads that were successful.
00:23:12.000She said that it was hard growing up as a Latina, she's Polish mostly, because she only saw Eurocentric actresses promoted and that women, Latina women, just typically didn't get that kind of a spotlight.
00:23:48.000So it was who was on magazine covers, who was in the beauty commercials, who was in movies, and was considered like the most beautiful movie star at the time.
00:26:58.000Latina women tend to win a lot, But that's also a problem because that means that if men prefer Latina women, you know, beautiful, thick hair, olive skin, curves, well, that's a problem.
00:29:01.000But also, do you know that Latinas face an undue amount, a disproportionate amount of discrimination through fetishization because people find them really hot?
00:29:11.000You're like, what do we want to do here?
00:30:36.000I guess I wonder if I'll be taking the bus.
00:30:39.000Fortunately for them, a lot of these women, they'll never have to worry about, you know, a mortgage, those in Hollywood, unlike most Americans.
00:30:50.000Thank you for calling Too Big to Fail Financing.
00:33:30.000I think that President Trump has earned our trust on this at this point.
00:33:34.000Everyone was saying World War III or Iraq.
00:33:37.000I said, hey, we may find out over time that that is a comparison, a legitimate comparison, or we may find out that it's not.
00:33:45.000We brought you examples like Panama, Grenada, to be clear, where we said, there are plenty of examples of conflicts that don't go on that long.
00:34:24.000So we were told, and this is the standard that we need to use here because.
00:34:27.000I even was just reached, someone reached out from the Telegraph saying, hey, we'd like to talk about sort of the civil war on the right over Iran.
00:34:35.000I do not think that this is worth a civil war or people impeaching Donald Trump.
00:34:40.000And the standard by which we have to judge this is there was one side that was screaming World War III, nuclear fallout, and Iraq as the only comparison.
00:34:54.000It could be, let's say this ends within the three month span.
00:34:58.000For most conflict, you often have people who are peacekeepers there to help with transition.
00:35:01.000That's not the same as a quagmire like Iraq over the course of a decade.
00:35:06.000But Iraq, World War III, or even people compared it to World War II, saying it's going to be worse than World War II, or it could end up being about as significant as Bosnia Kosovo.
00:35:19.000Anyone look back on that and go, that's what destroyed America?
00:35:24.000We were never able to recover from that.
00:35:26.000And I know there are differences, and I know that it's not a direct comparison, but I think it's a more apt comparison.
00:35:31.000If this wraps up in the next coming weeks, then Iraq or World War III.
00:35:37.000Whether you agree with it or not, the declaration that this is World War III or exactly like Iraq, if it ends within the next month or two months or week, would you compare it more to something like Bosnia, Kosovo, other conflicts that were not forever wars?
00:35:53.000So President Trump spoke with reporters yesterday and he said, and I know he kind of goes back and forth, it's part of a negotiating tactic, that we expect to be out of Iran in Two or three weeks.
00:37:16.000Iran themselves said, and I get that they lie, so you can't take that at the word.
00:37:20.000But again, that was used to be the predicate for, and this is to enrich the military industrial complex, was one, or this is so that we can have a never ending war, a forever war for Israel.
00:37:40.000If none of those things happen, and if it's not World War III, and if it's not even comparable to Iraq, Would you say, okay, this is a disagreement, but you know what?
00:38:04.000And again, this has been always their stated goal, not just ensuring that they cannot develop a nuclear weapon, but ensuring that they don't get to the point where we wouldn't be able to stop them.
00:38:15.000Meaning, as they work on nuclear weapons, they would have the ability to protect it, create effectively.
00:38:21.000A protective dome once they get past that point of no return, there's nothing we can do, it's just a matter of time.
00:38:26.000Rubio reiterated this, talking about how that has been the mission.
00:38:31.000And if they leave, then that would mean that they were telling the truth.
00:38:35.000Otherwise, what would be the incentive?
00:38:45.000Iran wants to have nuclear weapons, of that, there is zero doubt.
00:38:48.000If what they truly wanted, which is what they claim, is nuclear energy, Well, they could have nuclear energy like all the other countries in the world have it, and that is you import the fuel and you build reactors above ground.
00:39:01.000They build their reactors and their facilities deep in mountains away from the public glare, and they want to enrich that material.
00:39:09.000The same equipment that they could use to enrich material for energy, they could use to quickly enrich it to weapons grade.
00:39:15.000We were on the verge of an Iran that had so many missiles and so many drones that no one could do anything about their nuclear weapons program in the future.
00:39:25.000Under no circumstances can a country run by radical Shia clerics with an apocalyptic vision of the future ever possess nuclear weapons.
00:39:32.000This was our last best chance to eliminate that conventional threat, that conventional shield that they were trying to build.
00:39:39.000And the president made the right decision to wipe it out now.
00:39:42.000That is the goal of this operation, to destroy their conventional missiles and their drone program so they can't hide behind it and finally have to deal with the world seriously about never, ever having nuclear weapons.
00:39:54.000And I know what people are going to say.
00:39:55.000Well, they're doing, well, why can't they fix all the problems at home?
00:39:57.000Did you guys just see the judge who ordered that 900,000 illegal aliens have to be reinstated through the CBP1 app?
00:40:05.000It's very difficult to do things domestically.
00:40:27.000So, according to Intel reports, if this is a forever war, well, about two thirds of Iran's missiles are either destroyed, damaged, or buried, meaning they're not usable.
00:40:49.000Their navy, about 92% of their large vessels destroyed.
00:40:53.000And this is where this is interesting to me.
00:40:56.000I don't think communication has been great, but I also understand there's information that I can't know as it relates to war and national security.
00:41:03.000You saw these European allies say, We will not get involved.
00:41:07.000Even say, We actually now are agreement to allow the United States to set up shop.
00:41:11.000We're not going to allow that to take place anymore.
00:41:14.000While it was catastrophic for those in Europe, far more than us, for the Strait of Hormuz to be closed.
00:41:20.000So, with this now, Donald Trump is able to go, okay, Navy's gone, their Air Force is gone, most of their missiles are gone.
00:41:26.000They're at this point, we've castrated them effectively.
00:41:30.000You didn't want to, you guys take care of it.
00:41:33.000You guys now, you know, you're an ally, start upholding your end of the bargain.
00:41:37.000There's some value there, there's some real exposure along with these conversations we've had regarding NATO.
00:41:42.000So, the Strait of Hormuz, let's talk about that.
00:41:44.000President Trump specifically addressed what is going on there, and I believe we have a clip.
00:41:49.000Problem with the Strait, a guy can take a mine, drop it in the water, And say, oh, it's unsafe.
00:41:55.000It's not like you're taking out an army or you're taking out a country.
00:42:29.000This is something that, if you guys know, Donald Trump has talked about how the international coalition, they've really just sort of been allowing us to bear the burden.
00:42:40.000He wrote All of those countries that can't get jet fuel because the Strait of Hormuz, like the United Kingdom, which refused to get involved in the decapitation of Iran, I have a suggestion for you.
00:42:53.000Number one, buy from the U.S., we have plenty.
00:42:58.000And number two, build up some delayed courage, go to the Strait, and just take it.
00:43:03.000You'll have to start learning how to fight for yourself.
00:43:05.000The USA won't be there to help you anymore, just like you weren't there for us.
00:43:37.000So, it goes into one of their other leverage points the straight of four moves.
00:43:40.000If they ever got pushed too far, a deal wasn't going the way they wanted to, they could absolutely shut off the world's oil supply through the straight of four moves.
00:44:49.000It was a matter of time, just like it was a matter of time until those in Europe had a problem with Russia and wanted to fund the other side of the war by supporting Ukraine while still purchasing their energy from Russia.
00:45:02.000Did we not just learn that their missiles were capable of hitting most of Europe?
00:46:12.000Isn't that crazy that I just said that phrase out loud?
00:46:14.000Isn't it nuts when you think about it that these European nations are getting energy from Russia, from a strait that's controlled by Iran, instead of Just, hey, displace it, recalibrate, purchase it from the United States.
00:46:30.000Not only are you not supporting us, not only are you not paying your fair share with NATO, not only are you not linking arms militarily, but you won't even support this nation financially for something that you already need and are buying anyway.
00:46:47.000That to me is pretty important, exposes allies and puts them in the hot seat.
00:46:56.000Definitely won't bode well for the midterms, especially when people are saying that no matter what, they will try and convince you that this was a forever war and somehow it just didn't work out.
00:47:13.000The biggest con, I would say, is the depletion, and Elaine and I were talking about this this morning, of high end offensive and defensive weapon systems.
00:47:21.000So if there's some other major conflict that takes place right now, we could be caught with our pants down, depending on the scenario.
00:47:28.000All the more reason for Europe to step up.
00:47:30.000Hey, we're going to be out of pocket for a while, Europe, so you might have to handle yourself.
00:47:34.000We're setting our email to auto respond out of office.
00:47:48.000And do you leave room for if three months from the start of this conflict, we're pretty much out and the goals, the missions that this administration stated? Are mostly accomplished and were not in a forever war.
00:48:03.000Do you leave room to acknowledge that, okay, maybe not Iraq, maybe not World War III?
00:48:10.000What I want them to acknowledge is maybe I was wrong again.
00:48:13.000Maybe Donald Trump, President of the United States, deserves a little bit of, I don't know, the benefit of the doubt from his past statements, from his past actions, from his track record in dealing with these.
00:48:23.000Maybe he knows a little bit more than you.
00:48:25.000Maybe he's better at doing this than you are, and not everything is World War III.
00:48:28.000And by the way, we're going to hold you to what you said.
00:48:30.000Don't pivot and say, well, it's bad for us in the region now.
00:48:32.000I know you said that that might happen, but you said troops on the ground.
00:48:39.000What do we think would be a more valid comparison?
00:48:42.000I would say, you know, like Bosnia and Kosovo, because that's kind of something that.
00:48:46.000You know, I was obviously really young, but it was largely airstrikes, and then we had people on the ground, and there were some fights, but it was mainly rebuilding right at that point.
00:48:58.000I think that would be more comparable to this current Iran conflict than Iraq, if you're going to pick one.
00:49:04.000And does anyone say that was the reason for impeachment, and that's what destroyed the United States?
00:49:10.000The primary difference is that Iran is more of a threat globally than what we were dealing with there.
00:49:14.000But I think it's more, yeah, I think it's more apples to apples.
00:49:18.000And I know that people say collect $7,000 from the Jews, even though I was told that to collect $7,000 from the Jews was because we'd have American blood in the soil of Iran and it would be a forever war.
00:49:27.000So I don't really know how I'm going to get that Jew money, but, you know, let them know to give me a call.
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00:53:24.00010 years we've been trying, and it's been a no no where we decided we're really going to be aggressive to try and get this done because a lot of students would ask us, Why won't you come in and have these conversations with professors?
00:53:47.000And then they listed their terms, which are so absurd that you understand this wasn't done in good faith.
00:53:53.000In the end, we ended up with only one professor.
00:53:55.000At UPenn, Jonathan Zimmerman, who was very gracious, accepted it, the only one with the balls to show up.
00:54:00.000But I'm going to actually show you the terms, the kinds of conversations that had taken place with other professors, so you understand just how much they have tried to avoid and control dialogue.
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00:55:08.000I guess the concept of live was lost on them.
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00:55:36.000Hey, Harvard professor, can you fuck off enough?
00:55:51.000This person, this professor, teaching kids in an Ivy League, wanted to retroactively remove consent as a term from a live broadcast.
00:56:02.000What this tells me is that these professors, with the exception of Zimmerman, and I give my hats off to him, all the respect in the world, this professor. Is trying to get away with exactly what they have always gotten away with.
00:56:57.000This is kind of the disconnect that hopefully we can address.
00:57:00.000Imagine anyone who's not a professor or in higher education making these kinds of wild demands in the real world, in actual business dealing.
00:59:07.000The debate is going to be April 10th, maybe more of a conversation, 7 p.m. at the Annenberg Center for the Performing Arts, UPenn, louderwithcrowder.com, slash tickets.
00:59:15.000Starting this afternoon, please welcome Professor Jonathan Zimmerman.
00:59:33.000I'll keep it because I know we'll be there for an hour and a half, so I won't keep this going on for too long.
00:59:38.000But I just want people to know you are a professor of history of education, UPenn Graduate School of Education.
00:59:43.000You've written quite a few books, including Who's America, Culture Wars in the Public Schools, Too Hot to Handle, A Global History of Sex Education, The Case for Contention, Teaching Controversial Issues in American Schools, Campus Politics, What Everyone Needs to Know, Free Speech, and Why You Should Give a Damn.
01:00:34.000And I think that, especially right now with the country so polarized, it's important for people that have different points of view to converse with each other.
01:00:57.000So, I know some people will be asking, well, why are you having this?
01:01:00.000It doesn't sound like it'll be much of a debate.
01:01:02.000And I think we both agree that freedom of speech, I mean, I don't want to put words in your mouth, is paramount, is very important.
01:01:07.000And, like you said, we're very polarized as a nation.
01:01:09.000I think maybe where we'll find disagreement, hopefully, in offering solutions, is maybe the root cause of it or where we think we should move forward.
01:01:18.000Does that seem like how it's going to go?
01:01:21.000And on the second point, Steve, one place where we may disagree, and note I said may because I'm not sure, is my own claim that the Trump administration is now restricting free speech in all kinds of harmful ways.
01:01:32.000I don't debate, or I should say, I don't doubt your essential premise that universities have done a very poor job of both defining and protecting free speech.
01:01:42.000And they've often been in the place of censoring it.
01:02:24.000And I don't want, because I don't want you to tip your hand or anything like that, obviously.
01:02:27.000Would you mind for the audience maybe listing some examples of where you think, you know, two wrongs, the Trump administration really clamping down on freedom of speech?
01:02:36.000Well, I mean, you know, these executive orders about how schools can't teach this thing called critical race theory, this thing called gender theory, whatever those are, because of course the order doesn't define them.
01:02:50.000I can see all kinds of reasons to object to critical race theory, but I can't see a reason for an administration, which, by the way, Has said that schooling should be a state and local concern to issue a White House order clamping down on that kind of expression.
01:03:05.000That just seems completely hypocritical to me.
01:03:18.000I think the context, I think we probably, there'll be a lot of contextual dialogue regarding freedom of speech where we're discussing the government or we're discussing businesses who maybe perhaps have.
01:03:26.000Relationships with the government where those lines get blurred.
01:03:29.000But I agree, I definitely don't want to see it, though.
01:03:32.000I think that many people on your campus would think that I'm just like a hair shy of supporting a religious oligarchy.
01:04:24.000And I think I agree with you on some of those premises and disagree on some, which is, again, we need people to actually show up so they can hear.
01:04:30.000And I'll just, you know, but just listen, if it comes down the line, it's you or me, I will not hesitate.
01:04:35.000The problem is these always end up being friendly.
01:04:37.000It was kind of a debate, but you guys actually were productive.
01:04:57.000I am a deep opponent of President Trump, but not because of his policy positions, because I think most of those policy positions are arguable.
01:05:05.000And when I say arguable, I mean reasonable people can disagree about them.
01:05:08.000I think a border wall is a silly idea, but I don't think everybody who wants a border wall is silly.
01:05:14.000If you think about something like tariffs, we've been arguing about tariffs since Alexander Hamilton.
01:05:18.000So, my distaste, my loathing for Trump has actually nothing to do with his policy positions.
01:05:23.000It has to do with the way he flouts the norms of civic dialogue that you were referring to earlier.
01:05:32.000He is the president of the country, and almost every day he does or says something that I believe flouts the norms we need to converse with each other.
01:05:45.000I think that's a lot of people hold that position.
01:05:50.000I think that the norms that we've seen on campus, I mean, you see this from a professor, I think they're at least equally corrosive because I don't think that the norms are corrupt.
01:06:32.000And I also, you know, I've had my hands full with some of those on the right right now where you're discussing, you know, for example, Iran.
01:06:38.000I think that there are reasonable positions to be held on both sides of that.
01:06:41.000To me, we've reached a point when you talk about polarization.
01:06:43.000Like, I don't know if you were watching earlier.
01:06:45.000I said, hey, when it started, I said, give it three months.
01:06:47.000Because everyone was saying World War III, everyone was saying Iraq.
01:06:49.000I'm like, Iraq isn't the only comparison.
01:06:52.000My perspective is there's information I can't know.
01:06:54.000As it relates to national security, by the way, we would both have to acknowledge that.