Louder with Crowder - 🔴 Trump is Winning so Big Even The Left Can't Deny It: Featuring Jason Calacanis of the All In Podcast 2025-10-14 18:05

00:00:00.000 Um close the border.

00:00:02.000 Okay.

00:00:02.000 It always should have been closed.

00:00:03.000 So great.

00:00:04.000 Check.

00:00:04.000 I think we both probably agree, violing criminals and any crime done by somebody who's also here illegally, they should go immediately.

00:00:13.000 So I think that's two strong agreements that we'll have.

00:00:16.000 Then how do we deport the people?

00:00:18.000 Well, I don't agree on with that.

00:00:19.000 I think that it's a I think that it's illegal to come here illegally.

00:00:22.000 And I say this as someone who is, you know, was raised in Canada.

00:00:25.000 My mom is French Canadian, came here legally, have people who work for me who've come here legally.

00:00:28.000 So that is a crime.

00:00:29.000 I know that people will say it's a misdemeanor, but uh that's enough for me.

00:00:31.000 That's my I would take it a step further.

00:00:33.000 Totally valid.

00:00:33.000 Continue.

00:00:34.000 Yeah.

00:00:34.000 Yeah, I think it's totally valid to have that position as well.

00:00:37.000 Uh it is a crime.

00:00:38.000 Um and it's a crime that's you know been allowed.

00:00:41.000 Uh, as you mentioned, it's a misdemeanor.

00:00:42.000 We don't take it seriously, and we in fact kind of have waive people in because we need a cheap labor uh in this country.

00:00:48.000 So how do what do we how do we deal with it now?

00:00:51.000 Well, Trump is at an all-time low in his ratings.

00:00:55.000 Uh this is the worst rating since like season five and six of the apprentice.

00:00:59.000 Like, bad.

00:01:00.000 How's it relevant to the event?

00:01:01.000 Very relevant if you want to.

00:01:03.000 It's very relevant uh in terms of convincing you if you want to win the midterms and finish what I call the Trump 2.0 agenda, which is the one I agree with.

00:01:10.000 Close the border, lower taxes, fair trade, less regulation, and a smaller government with doge.

00:01:17.000 I agree with that platform.

00:01:18.000 That's why I supported Trump in this last election.

00:01:22.000 That's also and freedom of speech and no censorship.

00:01:24.000 So if you put that collection of issues, I'll call Trump 2.0, when he brought in a bunch of Democrats, classic New York Democrats, to build out this uh administration.

00:01:34.000 That's big part of why he won, is because he was able to convert you know, fiscally conservative, socially liberal Democrats like Trump.

00:01:42.000 That's exactly what Trump is.

00:01:43.000 He's a lifelong Democrat who is incredibly um certainly the most socially liberal Republican we've had in recent memory.

00:01:49.000 Yeah.

00:01:50.000 So he he brought all those Democrats in to win for actual Christian conservatives like you, and I also am a Christian.

00:01:57.000 Uh and so in order to win those, he got that base, and then he added something.

00:02:02.000 We're going to lose the midterms because Trump has Stephen Miller and Pam Bondi out here doing things that are highly, highly um unpopular with those moderates.

00:02:14.000 Those moderates are what won him the election.

00:02:16.000 Okay, so please tell me because this is important because you throw it all on your Donald Trump's approval rating.

00:02:20.000 And we know, for example, I use this as an example.

00:02:22.000 Phelps won Olympic medals in spite of eating McDonald's every day.

00:02:25.000 Right?

00:02:26.000 It didn't help him.

00:02:27.000 So we can't attribute it to McDonald's.

00:02:29.000 Donald Trump, his approval, and there's some debate about that about his approval ratings right now, but I know that they're not ideal.

00:02:34.000 It may be, in spite of the fact that deporting illegal aliens has been consistently and overwhelmingly popular.

00:02:39.000 In other words, someone can make the argument that that's what's keeping him afloat when you look at the most recent Harvard Harris poll, uh deport all immigrants over 54%.

00:02:47.000 The last poll that we had that would be accurate showed that a majority of Hispanic Americans, a huge block of them support deporting all illegal aliens. 0.81

00:02:55.000 So you're not gonna say that he's unpopular because of deportations.

00:02:58.000 That would be a pretty big leap to make.

00:03:01.000 So violence in chaos is the thing that the moderates who I represent, as you know, which is why you have me on the show.

00:03:08.000 Um I speak for them.

00:03:10.000 They don't like it.

00:03:11.000 And so uh I sent you a chart.

00:03:13.000 I I think I would encourage you instead of cherry-picking specific polls to just look at the economist and careful with the language again.

00:03:19.000 I didn't cherry pick, I picked the most recent one.

00:03:21.000 You could use CBS and you could use the most accurate ones and we'll list them all publicly.

00:03:24.000 I'm not cherry picking anything.

00:03:26.000 Okay.

00:03:26.000 It is an overwhelmingly popular policy, just to be clear.

00:03:29.000 And I don't think that what determines what is morally right, right, is popularity, but it is.

00:03:34.000 We do have to be clear about that.

00:03:35.000 When we talk about violence, we'll have to define that because I agree. 0.83

00:03:38.000 Antifund Black Lives Matter are a huge problem. 1.00

00:03:41.000 Yeah.

00:03:41.000 Uh yeah, we can get to that.

00:03:42.000 The the the horseshoe, uh, the tip tip tips of the horseshoe.

00:03:45.000 We'll get to that in a minute.

00:03:46.000 We'll touch tip.

00:03:47.000 So yeah, we can touch tips, not a problem.

00:03:49.000 Um just it's not gay.

00:03:53.000 Don't look me in the eyes.

00:03:54.000 It's fine.

00:03:55.000 It's a little bit.

00:03:57.000 I mean, we could cross streams.

00:03:58.000 We'll talk off air.

00:03:59.000 Okay.

00:04:01.000 There's a lot of gay shenanigans. 1.00

00:04:02.000 I was listening to the war up to this.

00:04:05.000 Because we're changing.

00:04:06.000 We're children, yes, but go on.

00:04:08.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:04:09.000 But I do because I do we'll need to go to Rumble Prime.

00:04:12.000 No, no, no.

00:04:12.000 It's fine, right?

00:04:13.000 God loves us all.

00:04:14.000 Red and yellow, black and white.

00:04:16.000 But I will say this uh we do have to go to Rumble Preum pretty soon.

00:04:18.000 So I'd like you to kind of wrap up your premise so we can go to a back and forth.

00:04:22.000 Very quick.

00:04:23.000 Um look at the aggregate poll data.

00:04:25.000 There are people who pull this together like economists silver bulletin.

00:04:27.000 They'll pull together all of the things.

00:04:29.000 And what you'll see is I gave you a little chart here.

00:04:31.000 As you watch Trump's um net approval rating, people who approve, minus people who disapprove, it's plummeted.

00:04:37.000 It plummeted um the first time at Liberation Day when he did the tariffs.

00:04:40.000 Obviously, he went too far.

00:04:42.000 He pulled back.

00:04:42.000 I don't like the term taco because I think it's insulting to the president.

00:04:45.000 But he did adjust.

00:04:47.000 Then you had the protests in uh in LA that got violent.

00:04:50.000 He dipped again, not releasing the Epstein files, which I'm I know you want to have see them released, um like everybody else.

00:04:57.000 That also caused employment, and now the Chicago ice raids are having them go down.

00:05:01.000 So on a practical basis for the people listening here who are you know staunch conservatives or part of the MAGA movement or even part of the Proud Boys, um, losing the midterms is gonna be disastrous for Trump.

00:05:13.000 You say you're a moderate, but come on now.

00:05:14.000 Throwing in, or maybe part of the proud voice.

00:05:16.000 Like this is this is the seven different kinds of misleading this.

00:05:19.000 It's it's it's not a good faith, the kind of smoke that you're throwing there.

00:05:22.000 Well, people watching are probably the one percent.

00:05:25.000 I just went down like conservatives, you know, and then down to MAGA, and then you would say the tip there, and then on the other side it's Democrats, woke, Democrats, and then Antifa.

00:05:34.000 Well, so just even the other thing.

00:05:35.000 But the difference is Donald Trump was elected with a mandate of the masses specifically on two issues immigration, and uh, of course, the economy, because it was disastrous.

00:05:44.000 And so when you say that, I didn't see you include because you don't need to go to Proud Boys, radical Democrats, which would be Joe Biden, which would be Kamala Harris, which would be Elizabeth Warren, right?

00:05:53.000 People who believe that it's evil to not allow your child to transition.

00:05:56.000 Like I think they're more radical than the Proud Boys, to be clear.

00:05:59.000 So you're doing on one side.

00:06:00.000 No, no, I'm with you on the horseshoe theory, actually totally agree on it.

00:06:03.000 But it's not a horseshoe.

00:06:04.000 That's the entire mainstream democratic.

00:06:05.000 I'm comparing Donald Trump to the candidates on the left.

00:06:08.000 I would say there were a lot of the moderates um who now support Trump probably voted for I and sir, almost certainly in my experience voted for Obama and Clinton.

00:06:17.000 Let's put it aside for a second.

00:06:19.000 So my first argument to you is it's critical to not have Trump become a lame duck president.

00:06:24.000 You got to win the midterms, you're gonna lose them right now because of what I perceive as people don't like chaos and people don't like the violent nature of the the deportations and then rapid fire.

00:06:35.000 The other thing I'd like to appeal to you on is there is a better way.

00:06:38.000 We in no point in history of this country did we want to have people with masks on, without their badge numbers, going and tackling people. 0.99

00:06:46.000 Now I know there are some.

00:06:47.000 I agree.

00:06:47.000 COVID was a travesty.

00:06:49.000 What they were doing to their own citizens was a travesty.

00:06:51.000 Yeah.

00:06:52.000 Agree with that as well.

00:06:53.000 I'm 100% agree with it.

00:06:54.000 So neither of these things are correct, neither of them should have been done.

00:06:57.000 And the difference is one was done against American citizens who were following the law while criminals were aided and embedded.

00:07:04.000 And right now, the violence you're talking about comes from illegal immigrants and their supporters and their ilk. 1.00

00:07:09.000 So I don't have a problem with someone wearing a riot helmet to deport someone who has no business being here.

00:07:13.000 I do have a problem with someone wearing a mask during the summer of love shooting paintballs at American citizens, but that's where I'm an extremist.

00:07:20.000 What I would say is also, you know, be careful in terms of giving too much power to the federal government, because when President AOC's in and she's coming around with a mask on and then picking up people because you said a homophobic joke or that she perceives it or a trans joke, and then she comes and you know knocks on your door like they're doing in the UK and says, Oh, I need you to come downtown with me because we have to have a conversation.

00:07:41.000 Or like they did here like they did here in the States with the the Department of Misinformation and Absolutely.

00:07:46.000 Us being demonetized with us being shadow banned.

00:07:49.000 Yep, yeah, and he's allowed you were in all of them.

00:07:51.000 I know.

00:07:52.000 I w I I was with uh Elon during the transition uh at Twitter when we uncovered all the stuff.

00:07:57.000 So I'm gonna make a financial one for you.

00:07:59.000 Okay.

00:07:59.000 If the violence is gonna be a good thing, just to be clear, you made a I just want to be clear.

00:08:03.000 Your first argument is the popularity argument that it's unpopular about optics.

00:08:08.000 The second one is a financial one.

00:08:09.000 I just do both of these because I think these are the ones that I can get through to you on.

00:08:14.000 I know I'm not gonna win, you know, uh any of the legal arguments, and I know people are tweeting.

00:08:20.000 I um this is what I voted for.

00:08:23.000 This is what I voted for.

00:08:24.000 I can't get through to you on that.

00:08:25.000 So I'm not gonna even try.

00:08:26.000 You're allowed to have that opinion.

00:08:28.000 Hey, people came in illegally, deport every single one of us.

00:08:30.000 I, along with the majority of Americans, even up till this minute.

00:08:33.000 Yes, go ahead.

00:08:34.000 But I I think I can win you on these two.

00:08:35.000 One, you're gonna lose the midterms, and then you're gonna lose all power, and we're gonna spiral back into Trump being impeached and chaos for the last few years of his presidency.

00:08:44.000 Second thing I I hope I can appeal to you on is there's a better way.

00:08:47.000 Okay.

00:08:48.000 You can just go, and I don't know if you saw the 79-year-old who got tackled and he's suing the the he's suing the government for $50 million.

00:08:55.000 He owned um you know, and all this is breaking you, so there'll be back and forth on the details.

00:09:00.000 I'm willing to bet there'll be a lot of fourth, but yes.

00:09:02.000 Exactly.

00:09:03.000 And so um, you know, he he claims he had well documented employees.

00:09:08.000 Um, and he wound up, you know, getting tackled by these guys.

00:09:11.000 They came in like, you know, it's the the rate of Osama bin Laden's compound in Pakistan.

00:09:16.000 And so it would be much easier to go to that person and just say, can we see the papers of everybody?

00:09:22.000 They run off.

00:09:23.000 You say, okay, who ran off, and you give a ten thousand dollar fine for each person.

00:09:28.000 Then the next week you come back and you give two.

00:09:30.000 The only reason these people are here is to make it better lives, putting aside criminals, and and that's you know, whatever percentage you want to believe it is.

00:09:37.000 Sure.

00:09:37.000 But the majority of them are here, as we all know, like our parents who came before us.

00:09:41.000 I don't know how many generations you are, but I'm eighth generation Irish here in the country.

00:09:45.000 Um, gross.

00:09:47.000 Sorry about that.

00:09:48.000 I don't know.

00:09:49.000 You're Italian or something. 1.00

00:09:52.000 No, I'm I'm French Canadian.

00:09:53.000 We're worse than the Irish or Italian. 1.00

00:09:56.000 I mean, I am American, and then the worst part is I was born in Detroit, the worst part of the country.

00:10:00.000 So b believe me, you're gross, I'm grosser.

00:10:02.000 I get it.

00:10:03.000 Yeah, no.

00:10:05.000 There's rugs to this.

00:10:06.000 Yeah.

00:10:07.000 French Canadian.

00:10:08.000 Jeez.

00:10:09.000 Yeah.

00:10:10.000 Um So here's what we need to understand.

00:10:16.000 We're spending 30 billion on ice.

00:10:18.000 We'll get three or four hundred million people, three or four hundred thousand people out in the first year.

00:10:22.000 Uh Stephen Miller has done a terrible job on these deportations, even with the violence.

00:10:27.000 It's only going to be three or four hundred.

00:10:28.000 A hundred of them will self-deport in all likelihood, and you'll have three hundred uh taken out by force.

00:10:33.000 Um much easier on an economic basis.

00:10:36.000 Yeah rather than spend sixty to a hundred thousand dollars per deportation and lose the midterms and possibly lose twenty twenty-eight because you create too much chaos and you don't make enough progress that you will turn it into a profit center.

00:10:52.000 One of the great gifts Trump has is taking something where we're losing money and turn it into a profit center.

00:10:58.000 You give these fines.

00:10:59.000 The people who are coming here are coming here for jobs. 1.00

00:11:01.000 Yeah.

00:11:02.000 They will leave because they will not have jobs.

00:11:05.000 Okay.

00:11:05.000 On the employment thing, we are in the lowest unemployment of your lifetime, 4.5% or less uh for the last couple of years.

00:11:13.000 We actually need workers, but better to have them documented, better to have them come through a clean process, we all agree.

00:11:18.000 So by doing these fines, instead of burning 30 billion dollars a year for four years and burning 120 billion, losing the midterms, probably gonna lose 2028, putting all that wind in the face of the Trump 2.0 agenda, you can actually stop the violence, stop the lawsuits, and win over and not lose the moderates who got you here.

00:11:40.000 That's my pitch.

00:11:41.000 I hear it.

00:11:42.000 You know, tell me if I'm crazy.

00:11:43.000 Low, let me address it.

00:11:44.000 I think it's a good pitch.

00:11:44.000 I think some pretty flawed fr uh, some pretty flawed premises there.

00:11:48.000 So I'm not like you said, there'll be a back and forth with this recent one, this man suing for 50 million dollars, right?

00:11:53.000 I get that you sort of try and set the stage that ICE is violent.

00:11:55.000 But the truth is the examples that we have for crying out loud, you're talking about the media fomenting violence, right?

00:11:59.000 Remember a brego Garcia, the Maryland man, turns out MS 13.

00:12:03.000 Turns out this guy was a serial criminal.

00:12:05.000 Just recently we had this with the ice raids.

00:12:06.000 The journalist was it Debbie Brockman, she said that she was arrested for reporting.

00:12:10.000 The reality was that she threw an object in an ice vehicle.

00:12:12.000 We had another one was Rafi, uh, whatever her name was.

00:12:16.000 You guys remember the the Van I's car wash owner was uh arrested, we were told, even though uh he was a citizen.

00:12:21.000 The reality is that there were five illegals there, they were arrested, and the raid was impeding officers.

00:12:26.000 I've heard your numbers where you talk about the economic one.

00:12:29.000 And just give me, I won't take nearly as much time.

00:12:31.000 Where you say that costs 100,000 per violent deportation, just kind of like using the number 8 million to 12 million, you always send to pick the low end.

00:12:39.000 It's a U Penn study, and by the way, these UPenn studies give a range of 30,000 to 109,000.

00:12:44.000 So you're taking the high high end where even if they average it out, they say 70,000.

00:12:48.000 But if we go to the DHS, if we go to CD, I said 60 to 100.

00:12:51.000 Okay, so it's pretty similar.

00:12:52.000 So the real number, the real well, we have it 30 to 109.

00:12:55.000 The real number, according to DHS, according to other reporting, is 17,000 to 20,000.

00:13:00.000 So let's just deal with that and go, okay, you are you said I was cherry picking.

00:13:04.000 You're cherry picking those numbers.

00:13:05.000 And I will say this, I understand where you're talking about the midterms and you're talking about optics, but we have to also account for the fact that this is yet again goalposts moving.

00:13:14.000 And what do I mean by that?

00:13:15.000 You have young people who've lived through this, right?

00:13:17.000 You address previous Republicans while not really addressing Democrats.

00:13:20.000 We look at this and we go, okay, illegal aliens are costing American taxpayers anywhere from 150 billion to 450 billion dollars per year.

00:13:28.000 Conservative estimate is 150 billion.

00:13:30.000 I remember because I did a build a wall, change my mind in 2018, and that number was 116 billion.

00:13:35.000 But in dealing with this, let's go through the timeline.

00:13:37.000 Building a wall was racist.

00:13:39.000 It was opposed.

00:13:39.000 They didn't want to build a wall.

00:13:40.000 Leftists said we're gonna create sanctuary cities.

00:13:42.000 They were opposing the literal deportation of illegal aliens in our federal prisons who had committed violent crimes.

00:13:50.000 They oppose that.

00:13:51.000 They oppose President Trump when he offered in his first term a DAC, a three year extension.

00:13:55.000 Then they have policy that leads to 18 million, you say eight, twelve million in about three years.

00:14:01.000 And now the left who had wide open borders, who created sanctuary cities, who said, you know, we're not going to deport violent felons.

00:14:08.000 It was never about dreamers.

00:14:09.000 It was never about anchor babies.

00:14:10.000 They didn't want to deport violent felons in our prison system.

00:14:13.000 Say, yeah, yeah, but now hold on a second.

00:14:15.000 We all agree on a sensible border policy, right?

00:14:18.000 Well, they didn't.

00:14:19.000 And now they say, well, we all just want to deport violent criminals, right?

00:14:22.000 But they didn't.

00:14:23.000 And now it's just, but how about just a path to citizenship?

00:14:26.000 And this is the final argument that'll make.

00:14:28.000 We can go through the economics of it.

00:14:30.000 We can go through the optics of it.

00:14:31.000 I think that Donald Trump would be far worse off if he didn't deliver on the promises, especially the promises that, by the way, with a reason for him being propelled into office on immigration and on the economy.

00:14:41.000 But it is morally imperative that we create a culture of deterrence.

00:14:47.000 And what do I mean by that?

00:14:48.000 I get it where people say, hey, even though we don't want to deport violent felons, and even though we create sanctuary cities, and even though legal immigrants have to live in this personal hell that we've created in blue cities across this country, there are still people, my God, who are here and just want to seek out a better life.

00:15:02.000 But even if we are as charitable as possible, that is what allows, encourages, and abets more slaves on earth than ever in recorded history.

00:15:11.000 A huge amount of sex slaves, 300,000 under Joe Biden's tenure, 13,000 of whom have been recovered.

00:15:16.000 And I don't know if you had the opportunity to.

00:15:18.000 I would highly encourage you to do so.

00:15:20.000 Tom Holman was on this show.

00:15:21.000 And I asked him about this exactly.

00:15:24.000 I said, look, what about people who are just seeking a better life?

00:15:27.000 50 grand first appearance.

00:15:28.000 There we go.

00:15:28.000 So put it in the camera.

00:15:29.000 How do you address people who say, hey, look, these people are just seeking uh a better life?

00:15:33.000 And we should only be deporting for the first time, Democrats agreeing with it, you know, violent felons.

00:15:38.000 And he answered that question.

00:15:39.000 And this is something that people need to understand.

00:15:41.000 It doesn't exist in a vacuum.

00:15:43.000 And the worst thing you can do is create a strong border policy, but at the same time, give some kind of a path to amnesty or citizenship because it only encourages and will propel the human traffickers and the cartel forward.

00:15:56.000 Here's Tom Holman's answer.

00:15:57.000 And then I want to go to let me just play this clip for you.

00:16:00.000 And then because I gave you a long, and then and then let's go back and forth.

00:16:02.000 But Tom Holman, very powerful answer.

00:16:04.000 And those who are not, we're going to continue on Rumble Premium.

00:16:06.000 You'll be able to watch it probably later.

00:16:07.000 Nine dollars on Jason's channel.

00:16:09.000 Let's watch this Tom Holman clip.

00:16:10.000 Yeah, we got it.

00:16:11.000 If they knew what I knew, if they wore my shoes for the last, you know, I started a board tour in 1984.

00:16:16.000 If they wore my shoes for the last four years, if they stood in the back of the tractor trailer like I did, surrounded by 19 dead people who begged to death, including a five-year-old little boy who begged his father not to let him die, but that was the first child to die.

00:16:31.000 When they stand in back there and you smell it and you see it and you feel it.

00:16:34.000 When they talk to little girls like I have as young as nine years old that's been raped multiple times by the members of the cartel, when you get down and talk to that little girl like I did, and you see everything innocent and pure.

00:16:50.000 Everything innocent and pure within her has been stolen.

00:16:52.000 And she has no faith in humanity anymore.

00:16:55.000 Her life will never be the same.

00:16:56.000 Wear my shoes for four decades and see the travesties I've seen.

00:17:00.000 Go to Phoenix, Arizona and run Operation Ice Storm, where smuggling cartels are ripping each other off for their other people they smuggled because they're worth a lot of money.

00:17:08.000 And when alien couldn't afford to pay the smuggling fees, they agreed to 10,000 smuggling fee.

00:17:13.000 They called a relative up, okay.

00:17:14.000 We got your guy here and now I've got your brother here.

00:17:16.000 You owe us $20,000.

00:17:18.000 And they say, no, it's $10,000.

00:17:20.000 Well, guess what?

00:17:20.000 We're going to make it $20,000.

00:17:22.000 If you don't pay it, we'll kill them.

00:17:23.000 And they did.

00:17:24.000 They would call relatives up and put them on the phone and listen to a relative get tortured and slowly killed because they pay the smuggling fees.

00:17:31.000 So I can go on and on and on.

00:17:33.000 Wear my shoes for 40 years.

00:17:34.000 See what I've seen.

00:17:35.000 You can understand my anger when you open up a border.

00:17:40.000 When Joe Biden won the election, I six months before the election, I wrote an op at Fox News.com.

00:17:44.000 I said, if Joe Biden becomes president, we lose the border.

00:17:47.000 And what does that mean?

00:17:48.000 More children would die, more women will get raped, more aliens will die, more Americans will die, more uh public safety threats will cross the border, more fentanyls won't get in the country. 0.98

00:17:58.000 I call it because I've seen it For four decades.

00:18:00.000 So when people say, well, you're angry, why are you so emotional?

00:18:04.000 you don't know what I know.

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00:18:57.000 And we are back.

00:18:58.000 And again, this will be available for everyone there.

00:19:00.000 Sorry, we have to have to do this.

00:19:02.000 Um there's that so if we're going to make the moral argument, I think it's immoral to have open borders, so does every other country on the face of it.

00:19:09.000 Sounds like now you're on board with having strong closed borders.

00:19:11.000 Great.

00:19:11.000 For the first time ever moderate second.

00:19:14.000 But it's not been the Democratic Party.

00:19:15.000 And it certainly wasn't the policy.

00:19:16.000 And of course, just it wasn't the policy of the republics either, yeah.

00:19:19.000 They wanted pour us.

00:19:20.000 Well, it is the policy of Donald Trump, and it is a policy that Americans support right now.

00:19:23.000 So we can go back to Reagan or we can go.

00:19:25.000 You made an incredible, you made incredible arguments uh against ones that uh positions I didn't take.

00:19:32.000 So I wanted to give you the straw man of the year.

00:19:34.000 Well, you said there was a you said there was a better way.

00:19:37.000 And you were basing it on faulty costs from UPenn studies that I cited.

00:19:40.000 I read them and you always use the high end when it favors you and the low end when it favors, just like going to my low end.

00:19:47.000 I get it, and I appreciate it.

00:19:48.000 Hold on a second, hold on a second.

00:19:49.000 I gave you a very, very long swap of the case.

00:19:51.000 Yeah, but you're be you're this is bad faith now.

00:19:53.000 No, no, no.

00:19:54.000 What's bad faith is talking about Proud Boys and my hold on a second.

00:19:57.000 Yeah, but hold on a second.

00:19:58.000 Explain the math.

00:19:58.000 It's just management.

00:19:59.000 Allow me to assert my presupposition first because I have it.

00:20:02.000 Okay.

00:20:02.000 All right.

00:20:03.000 Don't get tricked.

00:20:03.000 And I'm hoping I'm ho I'm not getting tricky.

00:20:05.000 You're a little tricky.

00:20:06.000 I'm going through your math.

00:20:07.000 I'm going through the site that what you've cited.

00:20:09.000 I don't care about Ronald Reagan.

00:20:11.000 I don't care about what we're talking about with George W. Bush.

00:20:13.000 I'm not a fan.

00:20:13.000 I got it.

00:20:14.000 What we're talking about right now is the deportations, where you said ICE is violent.

00:20:17.000 It's not.

00:20:17.000 I give you multiple examples where the case is the people are violent, right?

00:20:20.000 And they're trying to subvert the will of the American people.

00:20:22.000 Where you say that it costs American taxpayers more.

00:20:24.000 No, it doesn't.

00:20:24.000 Illegal aliens cost the taxpayers more.

00:20:26.000 Now, if we just want to get to optics and winning the midterms, well, then I would say this.

00:20:31.000 You want to dance in a f where none of us can actually have an answer, right?

00:20:34.000 We won't know until the midterms.

00:20:35.000 And even then we wouldn't have an answer because he could lose in spite of his popularity on immigration.

00:20:41.000 The Epstein files, a big dang.

00:20:43.000 The tariffs, that's a big ding at that point in time, especially when you have an incredibly biased media who misrepresent it.

00:20:49.000 I'm not talking about the optics in the midterms.

00:20:51.000 I'm talking about this policy, which was specifically the addressing the idea of have a heart.

00:20:56.000 I think if you want to have a heart, you have to deport every person you possibly can who's here illegally right now. 1.00

00:21:02.000 Good news is like you're like you're saying a lot of them are self-deporting, seal up the border.

00:21:07.000 That's the moral imperative.

00:21:08.000 And that's what people want.

00:21:09.000 Yeah, just so just to clean up, you you know, um, I think you're making it as if we I have this trend of doing the numbers wrong.

00:21:16.000 Uh if you ask the comments, browser by just okay, uh if you ask the common browser by perplexity, I'm not sure if you gentlemen have ever tried it, but it's an excellent browser.

00:21:22.000 Use the promo code Crowder for 10%.

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00:21:25.000 Um gentlemen and the scholars, sir.

00:21:27.000 Absolutely.

00:21:27.000 Well, we always gotta look for the cause there.

00:21:30.000 Um according to comment ICE 2025 budget, around 28.7 billion.

00:21:35.000 Yep.

00:21:36.000 And uh the ICE has deported nearly 200,000 people first seven months of 2025, placing it on track to exceed 300,000 deportations by the end of the year, you just put those numbers together, 30 million, 300,000, you get the 100,000 number.

00:21:48.000 The reason there's a little debate about this is some people are talking about the incremental cost.

00:21:52.000 So that when you hear the 17 or the 30k, what they're talking about is the incremental cost of sending them over a plane, the legal issues, all that.

00:22:00.000 But if you take a holistic number, just take the budget and divide it by the number at least.

00:22:05.000 Let's take the ICE annual budget.

00:22:07.000 You can take the annual budget, and then there's gonna be plus plus plus on the top of that, all these settlements of lawsuits and you know, plane trips.

00:22:14.000 Ah, the plus plus pluses.

00:22:16.000 Does it take the minus minus?

00:22:17.000 Does it take the minus minus minus into account?

00:22:19.000 For example, the peripheral effects of a 96% decrease in uh crossings or 1.6 million self-deportations.

00:22:25.000 Oh, but then the plus plus.

00:22:26.000 Can we do the minus minus?

00:22:27.000 Well, um, it's possible in a couple Of years we could lower the ice budget if we were to automate the wall on the southern border.

00:22:34.000 That is possible with new technologies, but that would be like a five to ten years.

00:22:38.000 No, I'm talking about factoring into the cost where you just say 100,000 taking the annual budget and dividing it by deportations, right?

00:22:44.000 That's not according to according to the DHS, according to many media sources, which we will list publicly.

00:22:48.000 It's 17 to 20,000.

00:22:49.000 And what you just said is there's a plus plus plus the lawsuits.

00:22:51.000 So I'm going, yeah, no, there's a peripheral.

00:22:53.000 Plus plus plus is the incremental incremental.

00:22:56.000 Yeah, what they're doing is they're not including the overall budget of ice, which tripled this year.

00:23:00.000 But anyway, it it's definitely not 17.

00:23:02.000 It's definitely not 120.

00:23:03.000 So we'll just agree.

00:23:04.000 It's somewhere from 40 to 80.

00:23:06.000 We can just agree on that.

00:23:07.000 And 17 or 20.

00:23:09.000 Who are the coho? 1.00

00:23:10.000 Who are your co-host names?

00:23:11.000 I'm sorry, I don't want to call them Baba Bui and uh Gerald is here and uh and Josh Feierstein is here.

00:23:17.000 Yeah.

00:23:17.000 Okay, let me let me go on to the plus plus head.

00:23:20.000 I'm addressing that, and then let's move on to the next claim.

00:23:23.000 Okay.

00:23:23.000 Uh no, you can't just take the annual budget and go, and this is what it is, and we're going to estimate uh, you know, increasing costs and then throw lawsuits in there.

00:23:29.000 Hold on a second.

00:23:30.000 There are much more notable numbers that we need to take into account or cause in effect, the peripheral effect of 96% of a decrease in crossings, which of course will affect the budget, and 1.6 million self-deportations.

00:23:42.000 So you can't say the incremental costs based off of simply an annual budget that cannot be predicted and not take into account the savings from the biggest peripheral numbers over which this policy has had a cause and effect.

00:23:55.000 That you it's not fair to do that one way and not the other.

00:23:57.000 It's just not accurate.

00:23:58.000 I'll take the lowest end of the range, it'll be 40K.

00:24:01.000 But and we can work with that number.

00:24:03.000 If we work with those numbers, it's a much better and I one of your co-hosts said this on a previous episode.

00:24:09.000 In and I think you may have agreed.

00:24:11.000 Umcreasing the number uh that we pay people to self-deport would be magical because you would just have them flowing over the border.

00:24:19.000 And if you combined you the idea that you endorsed, which is increasing the number we pay them to leave, um, and your co-hosts came up with uh and and noted in the last episode or two episodes ago, if you combine that with my idea.

00:24:30.000 And there's no bad ideas.

00:24:31.000 We just should put these ideas out here and we should try together to brainstorm them.

00:24:34.000 Well, there are some bad ideas.

00:24:36.000 Come on.

00:24:36.000 The final solution wasn't a grand one.

00:24:39.000 Okay.

00:24:39.000 All right.

00:24:40.000 Well, fair enough.

00:24:41.000 And by the way, I'm not comparing anyone here to Hitler.

00:24:43.000 I'm just saying there can be bad ideas, just to be clear.

00:24:46.000 I I mean, Stephen Miller, you do get a little gerble vibes on the margins.

00:24:51.000 But let's put that aside.

00:24:52.000 One of those Jewish Nazis. 0.93

00:24:54.000 I I mean, that is the great paradox.

00:24:57.000 Or it's just not true.

00:24:58.000 Literally, though, but he does take the the verbiage from some of those speeches.

00:25:02.000 I think he does it to troll to bait the Democrats into calling him Hitler so that they can say, well, we're not Hitler, obviously.

00:25:09.000 Anyway, let's put aside the politics of it.

00:25:11.000 Um if you go with my idea, which you didn't address of finding the business owners.

00:25:16.000 I just want you to say, hey, J. Cal, that's a great idea.

00:25:18.000 We should find the business ownership.

00:25:19.000 I just think we should.

00:25:20.000 Great, perfect.

00:25:21.000 So now we agree.

00:25:22.000 I think we should do all of it, yeah.

00:25:23.000 Perfect.

00:25:24.000 I guarantee you, you win the midterms if you do it with kindness.

00:25:29.000 You're a Christian, I'm a Christian.

00:25:31.000 Christ said to us, how you treat the meek and the poor is how you treat me. 0.69

00:25:36.000 Yeah.

00:25:36.000 These are amongst the meekest and the poor.

00:25:38.000 And I'm not just pulling the Christ card here to to do a gotcha to you.

00:25:42.000 I'm doing it because no, no.

00:25:43.000 I'm doing it because I am a Christian myself.

00:25:46.000 And uh I grew up Catholic, and I believe that.

00:25:48.000 I believe how you treat the poor is how you treat God himself.

00:25:51.000 It's how you treat Christ.

00:25:52.000 And you agree with me, I know if you are in fact.

00:25:54.000 No, I don't agree with you.

00:25:55.000 I don't agree with you.

00:25:56.000 I don't agree with that.

00:25:57.000 No, let me let me explain to you where I don't agree.

00:25:59.000 I do believe that uh we are a nation of borders and we need to treat our people here who definitely are struggling, have had some tough breaks with c with compassion and empathy.

00:26:06.000 I certainly don't think that people have committed a crime to come here who would be tolerated in most nearly no other countries with this level, this level of magnitude when we're talking about 18 million people of the last three years.

00:26:17.000 I don't think that's compassionate.

00:26:18.000 I think when we have a struggling American middle class, and Barack Amon just talked about the wealth gap.

00:26:23.000 I talked about the wealth transfer and the increase in poverty that sometimes you see.

00:26:27.000 That's the greater problem, which I think we would both agree as moderates, where the wealth gap is not as important as the poverty and the increase therein.

00:26:34.000 Um, I don't think it's empathetic to allow people into this country who cannot be tracked as you enable drug cartels, MS-13 gang members, that you cannot deal with any other way outside of sealing up a border and creating a culture of deterrence, which at the same time will save the American taxpayer hundreds of billions of dollars.

00:26:50.000 And you're misrepresenting the policy or the idea that Gerald proposed.

00:26:54.000 I believe that was kind of tongue-in-cheek with a very, very short turnaround time frame.

00:26:58.000 Here's what mine is.

00:26:59.000 Yeah, go after the business owners.

00:27:01.000 Agree.

00:27:01.000 Yeah, seal up the border.

00:27:03.000 Absolutely agree.

00:27:04.000 Great.

00:27:05.000 We're good.

00:27:09.000 It was never done.

00:27:09.000 Democrats fought up, they created sanctuary cities.

00:27:11.000 You could not deport violent felons who are here illegally in our prison system.

00:27:15.000 Deport them, deport everyone else who's broken the law.

00:27:18.000 If you want, hey, you know what?

00:27:19.000 If you want to go to Path to Citizenship, how about this?

00:27:21.000 All right, you're here, you just want to be American.

00:27:23.000 Would you agree with this?

00:27:25.000 Go after the businesses, everything else you're saying.

00:27:27.000 Okay, immediately you have to pay your back taxes that you haven't paid an income tax, along with interest, 9% a year.

00:27:32.000 You have to pass a civics and language test that shows you understand our national language.

00:27:36.000 Here you speak it fluently.

00:27:37.000 You're going to pay a remittance tax from here on out, 50% for every dollar sent out of this country that doesn't benefit the American taxpayer or worker and proof of contributing to your community.

00:27:46.000 If you do that immediately starting this second, maybe there's a way to work toward a path to citizenship.

00:27:52.000 Should it come with those prerequisites or which ones are you proposing?

00:27:55.000 I think it's a brilliant proposal.

00:27:57.000 And your proposal is very similar to the point-based system in Canada, which I that's where you were born.

00:28:03.000 Yeah.

00:28:04.000 I was born in Detroit, but I was raised in Montreal.

00:28:06.000 Yeah.

00:28:06.000 Got it.

00:28:07.000 Both terrible places.

00:28:08.000 So then you know the point-based system.

00:28:09.000 Um and uh they have that also in um New Zealand, Australia, and actually the Nordics have in done this as well, which is where you say, hey, if you speak the language, you get two points.

00:28:21.000 If you speak it fluently, if you have a college degree, if you're investing in the country, you just add up the points.

00:28:25.000 People with the most points go to the front of the line.

00:28:27.000 What you've described.

00:28:28.000 No, mine is a passing system, but it's a pass or fail.

00:28:30.000 Yes.

00:28:31.000 It's all of it or you're gone.

00:28:32.000 Perfect.

00:28:33.000 So pretty extreme.

00:28:34.000 I think what you do is you start with yours.

00:28:36.000 Start with yours.

00:28:37.000 You got to hit seven out of seven or however many bullet points you got.

00:28:39.000 If you hit seven of seven, you stay.

00:28:41.000 And you know, it the thing I think that was lost is the beauty of the melting pot in America.

00:28:48.000 This was drilled into us as Gen X or as a millennial, I don't know what's going on.

00:28:50.000 One note, just really quickly, because it's really important.

00:28:52.000 I see what you and you're very clever with it.

00:28:54.000 That point system only applies to people who migrated legally to those countries, right?

00:28:58.000 Just are we clear about that?

00:28:59.000 100%.

00:29:00.000 So the point system, just to be clear, in Norway, for example, in Korea, it doesn't apply to people who've entered illegally in those countries.

00:29:05.000 The due process is you're gone, yeah.

00:29:08.000 Right?

00:29:08.000 This is why you're a good thing.

00:29:10.000 But do we agree?

00:29:11.000 You're taking yeah, yeah.

00:29:12.000 You are so Christian uh that you are taking something that was just for people coming legally, and you're giving the opportunity to give it to the poor and the meek who came here illegally and who did something wrong. 0.96

00:29:22.000 Christ forgave the people who put them on that cross.

00:29:25.000 Christ forgave the people who were tax collectors who um were predatory with the poor.

00:29:32.000 You, as a Christian, are being actually very kind to the poor with your proposal.

00:29:37.000 Now, I might say you hit four of seven or you get five years to do it, but we're just splitting years here.

00:29:41.000 Well, no, we're not splitting hairs, otherwise you're gone right away.

00:29:43.000 In other words, if you don't pay your back taxes today, in other words, while you're sitting in the ice facility, back pay now or you're gone.

00:29:50.000 So I'm not saying you even have time to get your finances to you.

00:29:52.000 Yeah.

00:29:53.000 I'm I might I might take a uh a more um I might take a slower approach to it, but I I'm with you on that.

00:30:00.000 And uh this is where I think the country could do more work.

00:30:03.000 This is where, dare I say, I think, Steven, we did some good work today.

00:30:07.000 Okay, which is um just taking a moment to consider the other person's position and maybe meeting them halfway and thinking as all Americans and taking all Americans' positions and just trying to find a way to agree on what we can agree on and make some forward progress, as opposed to what's happening in this country right now, which is the extremes, which win the primaries now have taken over the dialogue.

00:30:33.000 What we did here today is we thought about some ideas that you don't hear in mainstream media.

00:30:39.000 We don't hear these ideas in this granular discussion about point-based systems, about hey, what's the actual real number, and can we triangulate on it and get the problem?

00:30:48.000 Well, no one's suggested a point-based system aside from you, and you pulled a bait and switch and attributed it to illegal immigration when it only applies to legal immigrants.

00:30:55.000 They're far more stringent.

00:30:56.000 I'm saying if I don't want to be able to do that.

00:30:58.000 I was giving you credit.

00:30:59.000 I was giving you credit.

00:30:59.000 I I know, I know, but we're not actually discussing a point that's a good thing.

00:31:03.000 I know, but the problem is you've been regurgitating a lot of the mainstream talking points here today while distancing yourself from it.

00:31:09.000 The idea that ICE is violent.

00:31:10.000 You know that there have been a ton of false stories.

00:31:12.000 You know the media has fomented violence.

00:31:13.000 Well, of course, there'll be there'll be stories that are important.

00:31:16.000 Listen, uh if you told me like should you trust the media, I would just pull up a chart that shows trusted media has plummeted our whole lifetime.

00:31:23.000 So again, it's another straw man argument.

00:31:25.000 I I've never argued that you should trust the media.

00:31:27.000 I didn't say you should.

00:31:28.000 I said you're using their points.

00:31:29.000 You trust them enough to use their talking points.

00:31:30.000 I I'm not using their points.

00:31:31.000 They they talk a lot.

00:31:32.000 So everything we've said today here, probably 90% of it has been said on Fox or by Rachel Maddow or by Tucker.

00:31:40.000 You know, the everybody's talking about every point.

00:31:41.000 But the thing that we made progress here, despite you not wanting to uh give us credit for it, and I'm gonna make you give us credit for it, is that we listened to each other deeply.

00:31:51.000 We got beyond the talking points in mainstream media and said, hey, maybe there's some common ground here where we could work towards something.

00:31:57.000 And if you and I both agree the border should be closed, that we shouldn't blow a bunch of money on this, and that Americans should come first.

00:32:05.000 I I think we've got a pretty good path here to maybe coming up with some solutions that take both sides into account.

00:32:12.000 And that's what I'm hoping we see more of.

00:32:14.000 That's why I came on the program.

00:32:16.000 I appreciate you and by the way, I really do appreciate you coming on the program.

00:32:18.000 Yeah.

00:32:18.000 Um, my solution is seal up the border and deport every single illegal alien you find.

00:32:24.000 I was proposing I was proposing.

00:32:26.000 What will that cost?

00:32:27.000 How much you're willing to spend?

00:32:29.000 Well, it costs 150 to 450 billion dollars per year to the taxpayer.

00:32:33.000 Just to give you an idea, too.

00:32:34.000 These are estimates, that's why they're so wide.

00:32:35.000 I mean, I think we could both agree, right?

00:32:37.000 500 billion dollars a year in fraud.

00:32:38.000 That's just vapor, right?

00:32:40.000 If you just add up the remittances from India, you just add up the illegal immigration and you add up the fraud, not waste, not necessarily misspending or inflation costs of government.

00:32:49.000 You're at 1.2 to 1.5 trillion dollars.

00:32:52.000 Hey, that could help a lot of Americans, you know.

00:32:54.000 Jesus Christ.

00:32:55.000 Empathy.

00:32:56.000 But instead, we've allowed this to balloon completely out of control and lost sight of it.

00:33:00.000 And every single proposal that has been put before the left has been a no, including deporting violent felons from our prisons.

00:33:07.000 And now they say, no, no, hold on a second.

00:33:09.000 We've always wanted secure border.

00:33:10.000 No, they don't.

00:33:11.000 It's bullshit.

00:33:11.000 I'm not going to accept that premise.

00:33:12.000 Let me ask you one thing, though.

00:33:14.000 You uh talk about the extremes, right?

00:33:16.000 Because they win primary.

00:33:17.000 Sure.

00:33:18.000 This is what's interesting to me.

00:33:20.000 Would you say that uh, for example, paying for transgender uh surgery for inmates, taxpayer funded?

00:33:28.000 Would you say that's pretty extreme?

00:33:30.000 Oh, don't you know we started on the trans stuff.

00:33:32.000 But would you say that's pretty extreme?

00:33:34.000 It is insane.

00:33:37.000 Okay.

00:33:37.000 It's deranged.

00:33:38.000 Because there was no primary.

00:33:39.000 I'm trying to come up with a uh a more extreme term than deranged.

00:33:44.000 It is sociopathic to do something like that.

00:33:46.000 I agree.

00:33:47.000 It's it's deranged.

00:33:48.000 But there was no primary.

00:33:49.000 And the person who supported that, who by the way, followed the man who also supported that, and Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, she was a candidate.

00:33:56.000 So we can't blame this on primaries.

00:33:58.000 And I don't know how you say the most extremes win primaries when you just said that we have Donald Trump who won the primary, right, in 2015, 2016, where he was the most socially liberal Republican that we've seen in modern era.

00:34:08.000 He was a law and order president.

00:34:09.000 He was an illegal immigration president, but like you said, pretty moderate by all accounts, right?

00:34:14.000 So I don't know how that checks out.

00:34:16.000 I can I can explain that.

00:34:17.000 Great, uh, great challenging question.

00:34:19.000 So um what he did is during the primaries, he said, I will um for the evangelicals, I will overturn Roe v. 0.52

00:34:26.000 Wade, and I will do that for you.

00:34:29.000 And I will turn over two or three seats in the Supreme Court and do that.

00:34:32.000 Incredibly unpopular, except amongst a very small part of the country, about 20% wanted to see Roe v.

00:34:38.000 Wade overturned.

00:34:39.000 And so he did that.

00:34:41.000 And then he took credit for it.

00:34:42.000 Now, that was unpopular with 60 or 70% of the country who want to see women make that own decision or have limitations and that's why he won the primary European.

00:34:52.000 I think it's why he got a massive turnout.

00:34:54.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:34:55.000 I think the abortion issue when you go back and look at it, because you have to understand those primaries.

00:34:59.000 I'm talking about beating out the Republicans.

00:35:01.000 Other Republicans weren't willing to take that position, and he was.

00:35:04.000 So that's just but one example.

00:35:05.000 You think that would contribute to it, just to be clear, this is an actual question.

00:35:08.000 More than his stance on immigration, which he repeated.

00:35:11.000 Look, immigration the the twenty twenty-four, obviously, immigration was the big winner. 0.94

00:35:16.000 Back then, abortion was a big part of mobilizing evangelicals and Christians.

00:35:22.000 When he came down the escalator, please refresh my memory, Jason.

00:35:24.000 That speech when he came down the escalator.

00:35:25.000 Am I misremembering it, or was he talking about they're not sending their best, illegal immigration, our border and law and order?

00:35:31.000 Wasn't that kind of the speech he gave when he announced?

00:35:34.000 Absolutely, it's been an issue for him from day one.

00:35:36.000 I'm telling you the one I think that most people believe tipped it over.

00:35:40.000 Okay.

00:35:40.000 And you know what?

00:35:41.000 And not every issue lands.

00:35:42.000 The trans issue was the hugest mistake the Democratic Party made because if you look at the DSM, uh, you know, up until the last one, it was gender dysphoria. 0.53

00:35:52.000 It was a mental illness, it was a mental condition that was to be treated, you know, in that way.

00:35:57.000 And then the Democrats did one of the stupidest decisions ever.

00:36:00.000 Yeah, they decided that this would be a cost celebr, like gay rights. 1.00

00:36:04.000 Um, and it wasn't.

00:36:06.000 Uh, this is an incredibly small niche issue.

00:36:08.000 And if you talk to any Democrat woman uh quietly and you surveyed them and said, Do you think you should give a double massectomy or castration hormones to a child?

00:36:18.000 They would say, Are you crazy?

00:36:20.000 What is this?

00:36:20.000 Dr. Mengela, this is the craziest thing I've ever heard.

00:36:23.000 Right.

00:36:23.000 But the Democrats conflated what they were experiencing in New York and San Francisco and Los Angeles in these little pockets to think that applies to women everywhere.

00:36:33.000 It does not apply to women everywhere, obviously. 0.99

00:36:35.000 So this is amongst the stupidest things the Democrats did.

00:36:39.000 And that's really how they handed the election to Trump.

00:36:42.000 Uh I and I think the number one reason they lost was just picking Kamala without even having a primary.

00:36:49.000 Number two was the border.

00:36:50.000 I would probably say the trans thing was number three. 0.99

00:36:52.000 If you look at the money that was spent um on ads, it was effective one.

00:36:57.000 Yep.

00:36:57.000 Yeah.

00:36:58.000 The most effective one was He's for you.

00:37:00.000 She's for the them.

00:37:01.000 Yeah.

00:37:01.000 And so we're gonna get strong agreement with uh me there on that one.

00:37:06.000 And again, I'm a moderate, I'll vote for wherever the best candidate is.

00:37:09.000 Yeah, but but yeah.

00:37:10.000 And this goes back to your point about sort of the main mainstream media talking points.

00:37:13.000 Yeah.

00:37:14.000 Because you say, yeah, most Democrat women. 1.00

00:37:16.000 Not a single one on the national platform, right?

00:37:18.000 Of DNC.

00:37:18.000 Would we agree on that?

00:37:19.000 They all follow lockstep on the trans issues.

00:37:21.000 All notable Democrats.

00:37:22.000 Absolutely.

00:37:22.000 Every president, vice president, virtue signaling, dumb.

00:37:26.000 So they all got all having to reverse it now.

00:37:28.000 They're all having to reverse it now and say, I don't know if you saw um Emmanuel, Ari Emanuel coming out and saying like he's against it.

00:37:35.000 Kind of mostly.

00:37:36.000 Um and what we're gonna see, something you should look into.

00:37:39.000 Well, can I just continue that thought because this is the point that I was?

00:37:42.000 It's a detransitioning moment.

00:37:43.000 How did they all get together in a room and make this giant mistake and make it a part of their platform?

00:37:47.000 And I think this is where you and I fundamentally disagree.

00:37:49.000 And I understand you looking out for optics in midterms.

00:37:52.000 I disagree with you strategically.

00:37:54.000 By the way, did i I would assume that you probably predicted Hillary Clinton was going to win that election, right?

00:38:00.000 Um, uh I'm a poker player.

00:38:03.000 Uh play high-stakes poker, in fact.

00:38:05.000 And if you told me you have pocket aces and you're playing two other players, then there's a pretty good chance you're gonna lose.

00:38:10.000 Yeah.

00:38:10.000 And you know, a set I think Nate Silver had it at 65 to 75 to 25 to 35 percent, depending on the month or the week before it, that's that means you have a very significant chance of winning.

00:38:21.000 One in one in three is a significant chance of winning.

00:38:23.000 So I think people just fundamentally don't understand probability in this country.

00:38:27.000 Okay, so you said that Donald Trump was likely to to win.

00:38:29.000 And that's credit to you.

00:38:30.000 You were clairvoyant in a way that the New York Times and mainstream press was not, and that's very impressive.

00:38:34.000 He wasn't the likely one.

00:38:35.000 He was had a strong chance of.

00:38:37.000 But I will say this.

00:38:37.000 As someone who has been around, I know I'm uh pretty young, but been around a long time.

00:38:40.000 It was at Fox News for four and a half years, left there with my hair on fire, did stuff with HLN and all these other networks.

00:38:46.000 Uh, they were saying that Mitt Romney was the next George Washington.

00:38:49.000 They were telling us who's most likely to win, what's going to win primaries, and they were wrong most steps of the way, just like the Democrat Party was wrong, where every single person made the mistake of L G B T Q A I P plus.

00:39:02.000 And I do think we both would have to agree that Donald Trump has sort of turned over that cart in the sense that, hey, you know what?

00:39:08.000 There's an us versus them. 0.98

00:39:09.000 You often say we, we.

00:39:11.000 People who vote for Donald Trump are saying we, the American people of this country, and them is not just Democrat or Republican.

00:39:18.000 It's those in institutions that we have been commanded to trust.

00:39:21.000 And those institutions, this is something that I wanted to ask you, where you say, and ICE is violent, people don't like it.

00:39:26.000 Um then you say, and this is actually more costly than if we just said these people self-deported gave them a birthday citizenship.

00:39:32.000 And you say it's very he's going to lose the primaries, and this is a very unpopular policy.

00:39:36.000 Okay.

00:39:37.000 So uh and then you cited some recent example, which I'm sure, by the way, will be turned around in its head and we'll find out that it's another bullshit story, just like we did with a brego Garcia and these other people mentioned.

00:39:45.000 Can I ask you, because you say they don't have these conversations.

00:39:48.000 What that you have presented is in any way discernible from legacy media mainstream talking points.

00:39:55.000 Because I can't.

00:39:56.000 Oh, I I don't think the uh legacy media cares about anything other than ratings.

00:40:02.000 So they will pick their topics and stories based on what gets them the most money from advertisers.

00:40:07.000 But they hold the same stance in all these issues that ICE is violent while not discussing the actual violence, right?

00:40:11.000 Exacerbating, fermenting the violence, this idea that Donald Trump is deeply unpopular because of immigration, not in spite of the fact that he's overwhelmingly popular.

00:40:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:19.000 So I'll tell you where I deviate.

00:40:21.000 I'll give you a place where I deviate.

00:40:22.000 Um when it comes to cities with crime, I lived in San Francisco for a bit, it was brutal, and I was near the tender line.

00:40:28.000 I'll I'll tell you where the Democrats are making a really significant mistake.

00:40:33.000 When you talk to anybody who lives in a violent area, my brother was a cop during stop-esque frisk.

00:40:38.000 It wasn't stop and frisk, it was stop asking frisk.

00:40:42.000 Very important note there.

00:40:45.000 Yeah.

00:40:46.000 And you know, a couple questions.

00:40:47.000 If you jump the turnstile or you know, you're you're loitering.

00:40:50.000 It's not the end of the world.

00:40:51.000 Um when they ask, I don't have I have a hot tip.

00:40:55.000 I just say no.

00:40:57.000 Yeah.

00:41:00.000 Uh but you know, when I it was interesting in New York, when Stop Ask and Frisk happened, um, the communities that went the most in favor were the poorest communities with the projects with black and brown people in them, poor people in them, because they were the most impacted by crime.

00:41:13.000 Right.

00:41:13.000 And another stupid decision by Democrats is when Trump says, hey, uh we're gonna send in the the National Guard to help you with crime.

00:41:22.000 The easiest thing to say is, oh, thanks, Mr. President.

00:41:25.000 Here's the four hot spots.

00:41:27.000 Can we put people there?

00:41:27.000 And how long can you keep them there?

00:41:29.000 How long do we get them for before you move to the next city and help us remove these gangs?

00:41:33.000 Right.

00:41:34.000 Instead, they fall for the trap because Democrats are dopes.

00:41:37.000 They're they're idiots right now.

00:41:38.000 They're they're they fall for every Republican, you know, position or or or you know, booby trap that they lay for them.

00:41:44.000 And then man, JD Vance, a friend of mine really does a great job at laying these traps all the time.

00:41:50.000 And this is the easiest one to navigate.

00:41:51.000 Uh they could say, we're gonna pull up the the uh National Guard, great decision.

00:41:55.000 When I lived in San Francisco, David and I um led a campaign to get Chessa Boudin out, and we succeeded.

00:42:01.000 Uh and then what we learned during that was it didn't even matter because the judges in San Francisco would just let them out anyway.

00:42:10.000 And now Dan Laurie won on a little bit of safety.

00:42:12.000 He's arresting people out at a great clip and trying to do the right thing, and he's facing the same thing.

00:42:17.000 The judges won't put people in jail.

00:42:19.000 So, you know, those are the things that are.

00:42:20.000 So, what part of this is a trap?

00:42:21.000 I don't this is where we I guess view it differently.

00:42:23.000 I think there's decades of Democrat rule and correcting the wrong, but you're saying a trap.

00:42:27.000 It's not an accident that they've led to this policy.

00:42:29.000 Fighting the national when Trump says I'm gonna send the National Guard in fighting it is the trap.

00:42:34.000 You should just say, absolutely, we'll do it.

00:42:36.000 Instead, what is JB Pritzker doing?

00:42:38.000 He's like, you can't stop crime in my city.

00:42:41.000 We need this crime.

00:42:42.000 That's literally what he's telling the voting populist is no, no, no, no.

00:42:45.000 I'm pro-crime.

00:42:47.000 You you want to stop the crime?

00:42:48.000 I'll keep it going.

00:42:49.000 It's so dumb.

00:42:50.000 You you just have to again, like our conversation here today, you don't it's not unreasonable to want to fix immigration.

00:42:59.000 And if you reframe it and you put it into buckets, illegal immigration, compassionate immigration, and then recruiting the greatest talent in the world, which we didn't get into, but um I'd love to come on again and talk to you about H1B visas and all that, which is an hour-long conversation.

00:43:13.000 If we broke it into those and we just agreed on some numbers, hey, we can have this many compassionate, like true asylum seekers, not like I got the test off of TikTok and I cut and paste the text into the form, but like you actually passed away.

00:43:27.000 Define asylum seeker. 1.00

00:43:28.000 What is a legitimate refugee? 1.00

00:43:30.000 A legitimate refugee would be if they went back to their country, they would be murdered or killed for their beliefs, uh, religious, political, et cetera. 1.00

00:43:39.000 And we have some vested interest in that country.

00:43:41.000 So uh the classic example would be Russians when they were defecting to the United States, Olympians, et cetera.

00:43:47.000 Remember Moscow and the Hudson with Robin Williams was based on their trend in the United States.

00:43:50.000 Oh my god, he's defecting.

00:43:52.000 Yes.

00:43:52.000 He's defecting.

00:43:54.000 Yeah.

00:43:54.000 Uh rest in peace, Robin Williams, the goat.

00:43:56.000 Um, but you know, we would we would want to accept them because there's a benefit to the country, there's a strategic benefit.

00:44:02.000 And the same thing with the people in Afghanistan who helped us uh take out the Taliban and find Osama bin Laden.

00:44:08.000 If there was somebody in Pakistan who helped us figure out where Osama bin Laden's compound was being held, Cuban Americans would be an example, right? 1.00

00:44:15.000 People fleeing the castle regime.

00:44:16.000 Sure, sure.

00:44:17.000 That's I think the most uh appropriate example because we're also a country that could be argued as in close proximity as opposed to other refugees uh or asylum seekers who should go to their nearest nation.

00:44:27.000 And then in terms of recruiting talent, what we should use as a um, you know, a really interesting playbook is what happened uh during the Manhattan Project.

00:44:37.000 Uh a lot of incredible Jewish scientists left Germany, they fled.

00:44:41.000 And then we went and we looked for the German scientists who were the next smartest uh who were working there on rockets uh and engines, and we recruited them.

00:44:50.000 And recruiting the most talented, uh most intelligent people from Pakistan, which has distributed nuclear secrets to Iran and North Korea. 1.00

00:44:59.000 Um you can you can jump down a whole rabbit.

00:45:01.000 Well, the problem is this is another hour conversation.

00:45:03.000 We're talking about H1B.

00:45:04.000 So can we hold that for another?

00:45:05.000 Because I would love for you to come back and discuss it.

00:45:07.000 I feel like we got a vibe going here.

00:45:08.000 And I'm anti H1B. 0.84

00:45:09.000 I think that if uh the most talented uh existed in Pakistan or India, um it wouldn't look like Pakistan or India.

00:45:16.000 But I know that that's reductive.

00:45:17.000 And again, that's a little it's a little bit racist.

00:45:21.000 I accept it.

00:45:21.000 Yeah, I think India sucks.

00:45:23.000 I think India sucks. 1.00

00:45:25.000 No, no, I'm not a little bit.

00:45:25.000 I'm talking about it.

00:45:27.000 Let me be really clear.

00:45:27.000 We're talking about India Pakistan.

00:45:29.000 There is nothing about India or Pakistan that I want to import to the United States. 1.00

00:45:33.000 You got to try the chicken Makni.

00:45:35.000 You gotta try the chicken.

00:45:36.000 All right, food, but we already have that here.

00:45:38.000 We can still have that with the folks who are here.

00:45:39.000 If you want to get great engineers to make incredible products like comet by perplexity, uh use the promo code Steve Crowder to get six months freeze.

00:45:51.000 You're not building perplexity.

00:45:53.000 I think you can actually I think you actually can do it without uh uh people who poop in streets.

00:45:59.000 And whose greatest export is credit card stamp.

00:46:02.000 What do you guys think of our children?

00:46:03.000 It's a third.

00:46:04.000 It's a third of the country.

00:46:05.000 Hey, why have they never gotten it?

00:46:06.000 Right.

00:46:07.000 Because you just said we're a nation of immigrants.

00:46:09.000 I do want to go back to this.

00:46:10.000 We're a nation of immigrants, right?

00:46:11.000 You said built by immigrants.

00:46:13.000 Okay.

00:46:13.000 What's the difference?

00:46:15.000 Why does India still look like India and these countries that like what's the difference? 0.99

00:46:19.000 And then for one final question.

00:46:20.000 You mentioned legitimate refugees, asylum seekers.

00:46:23.000 They would have to be fleeing a nation where they would be politic uh politically persecuted or for their faith where they would be killed if they went back.

00:46:30.000 What percentage of the 40 million people here illegally right now do you think would be made up of legitimate refugees, asylum seekers?

00:46:37.000 We both would agree it's single digits, very, very low.

00:46:39.000 I would say less than one percent.

00:46:40.000 I mean, you're talking about a very small you're talking about a small number of countries that are small countries.

00:46:46.000 Right.

00:46:46.000 So it's an outlier.

00:46:47.000 You might say Venezuela.

00:46:49.000 It is absolutely an outlier, which is why it's a very important thing.

00:46:51.000 And then why what's the difference between immigrants from these countries that are third world countries that are awful that have nothing that we want to import culturally? 1.00

00:46:59.000 You're talking about the city of the city.

00:46:59.000 And the people who founded the United States.

00:47:02.000 Like you say Is there a difference, for example, between immigrants who come who have a shared culture, a shared language, a shared value system, come into the United States with no promise of anything in return versus people coming from a third world crap hole. 1.00

00:47:15.000 I'll use that term, I don't think it's racist at all, to a giant welfare state in the United States.

00:47:19.000 Is there a difference?

00:47:21.000 Certainly there's a difference.

00:47:22.000 And um I don't mean to um uh speech police you, but the proper terms now are frontier and emerging markets in the developed world.

00:47:31.000 Okay.

00:47:31.000 So Stephen, if you could please.

00:47:32.000 Okay.

00:47:33.000 Frontier development.

00:47:34.000 I'll just shorthand will be inferior country.

00:47:37.000 You know, and uh people said that about America.

00:47:39.000 Um the And I say it about Canada, but I'll say it about India and Pakistan.

00:47:43.000 I don't know why you gotta punch down on Canada.

00:47:46.000 Um I get it, but uh I just want to drive that point home.

00:47:51.000 Yeah.

00:47:52.000 Absolutely.

00:47:52.000 Um I I think the way to look at it is yes, um the people who came here to America, you know, that was really hard to get here.

00:48:02.000 Um it was a real struggle to survive here.

00:48:04.000 These were the rugged of the most rugged brave people in the world.

00:48:08.000 And if you were to look at folks coming across the southern border, is it as tough of a triple as you described it uh and as Tom Holland described it?

00:48:16.000 Yeah, pretty rough.

00:48:17.000 Pretty rough.

00:48:18.000 Um, is there a difference between values and what they are seeking?

00:48:21.000 That's what I'm trying to get to here.

00:48:22.000 Because that's where you have a disconnect with the average American worker.

00:48:25.000 I did I I think you have a blind spot here.

00:48:26.000 I grew I grew up blue-collar.

00:48:28.000 My mom's a nurse, my dad's a bartender.

00:48:29.000 Okay, then the answer should be easy.

00:48:31.000 So what no, what I'll say is um it's a mixed bag.

00:48:35.000 I think a number of them are coming here.

00:48:37.000 If you were to look at uh Muslim countries specifically, um, some number of them do not um assimilate and assimilate is a dirty word right now, but I think it's a very important one.

00:48:47.000 You pointed out, do you speak the language?

00:48:48.000 Do you understand the culture?

00:48:50.000 And in Europe, uh there was a big problem of them not assimilating, and then you'll have second and gener second and third generation French uh citizens who are not accepted into the country where they were born, and then this creates you know uh really dark times for those countries.

00:49:08.000 And so no, you don't you want to make it clear.

00:49:10.000 If you want to come to this country, you you gotta understand what it means to be an American, you know, speak the language.

00:49:15.000 I'm all for assimilation and the melting pot. 0.99

00:49:18.000 So we're we're in strong agreement there.

00:49:20.000 And that's why we should take the most rugged individuals, and that's actually why the point-based system exists.

00:49:24.000 You can pair the point-based system with the needs of the country.

00:49:27.000 If we don't have enough doctors, we don't have enough um because it's Seven million people looking for jobs, you understand, and we have more than those job openings.

00:49:35.000 So even in the United States right now, the reason we have the lowest unemployment of our lifetimes is because a lot of great immigrants came here and had kids, or immigrants themselves came here and started amazing companies, including Elon, including Sergey Brynn from Google.

00:49:51.000 You know, we have a long history in this country of those immigrants who really work hard and strive.

00:49:58.000 Theoretically, you should have been amongst them, Steven.

00:50:00.000 I don't know what happened there.

00:50:01.000 But these most world uh emerging frontier or whatever.

00:50:10.000 Gay language they want us to use now. 1.00

00:50:11.000 We we call it new right now.

00:50:13.000 It's the new right.

00:50:14.000 Is it new right?

00:50:14.000 Well, it's the funny thing is when your new shit looks just like your old shit, you haven't improved your shit.

00:50:20.000 That's the problem with Detroit.

00:50:21.000 But what's the difference as far as culturally and values, right?

00:50:24.000 Because you have Americans who let's be honest, someone from Ireland and someone from Italy and someone from England, assuming they speak the language, and back then immigrants largely did.

00:50:32.000 Yeah.

00:50:33.000 It's not like one is from Mars and from Venus.

00:50:35.000 It's not the same thing.

00:50:36.000 Are you just referring to the color of their skin, Stephen?

00:50:38.000 No, no.

00:50:38.000 I'm referring to people coming to this country where you know what, even if you look in neighborhoods in New York where you talk about this, people who are coming first, second, third generation immigrants from Ireland, Italy, and they're living across the street and they're speaking.

00:50:48.000 It's not like they don't have some kind of a common ground or understanding as to what America is.

00:50:52.000 And the most important aspect there is they did it at great risk, right?

00:50:56.000 They risked everything, came with nickels in their pocket.

00:50:59.000 People come here with a guaranteed check.

00:51:01.000 Now, let me ask you this.

00:51:02.000 How many jobs?

00:51:03.000 Because this is important, right?

00:51:05.000 We if we want to be compassionate, the American worker who can just be priced out by people who come from the third world and they're skimming agencies, right? 1.00

00:51:11.000 Where they just place people and they take off H1B is a huge scam.

00:51:14.000 We've discussed that.

00:51:15.000 Um how many new jobs were added, for example, under Joe Biden that were native-born American jobs.

00:51:22.000 Uh wow, off the top of my head, and I would agree with you about a the bottom third to even up there's a 50% of H1B visas are pure uh grift and a just a way to get cheaper uh employees.

00:51:35.000 Uh and the easiest way to solve that is to just charge 10, 20, 30k a year for those, uh, which is exactly what Trump did.

00:51:41.000 So uh we're gonna be in strong agreement on that.

00:51:43.000 I think we had um if you look at labor participation, another way to look at that.

00:51:47.000 We've had about 61, 62 percent labor participation down from about 68 at the peak amongst people who want jobs.

00:51:54.000 And um we had upwards of 12 million job openings under Biden, and it went from about six percent unemployment down to four percent.

00:52:02.000 We we had to how many new jobs added were native-born jobs, meaning American citizens versus foreign-born workers who came in.

00:52:10.000 I don't I I don't have that statistic.

00:52:11.000 The answer is none.

00:52:12.000 Negative, I believe it was about 100 something thousand and plus, if I'm not mistaken, I'm sure they can fact check me here.

00:52:17.000 We have this for somewhere, I believe it was plus four million foreign jobs that were, by the way, on an average 30 percent less than the what they were paying a standard American.

00:52:26.000 The exact inverse of what we saw under Donald Trump's first term.

00:52:29.000 Doesn't that matter?

00:52:30.000 Because those are the people who were talking about the optics for the midterms, right?

00:52:33.000 Sure, sure, sure.

00:52:34.000 I would say the two numbers that really matter to look at um is the overall unemployment rate in relation to job openings in relation to labor participation.

00:52:44.000 One of the things we're dealing with this in the country is that baby boomers have so much of the wealth that they're passing on to Gen Xers and millennials that a lot of folks are opting out of working, or they're working, you know, gig economy or part-time. 0.86

00:53:00.000 It's very hard to get those affluent people, as we saw in Europe.

00:53:03.000 You brought up France and Germany and a lot of these places, uh Spain.

00:53:07.000 There's so much wealth, and they experienced this 20 years ago, you because they had a bit of a head start on us here.

00:53:12.000 We're only 250 years old.

00:53:14.000 They're they're you know, 2,000 years old, you know, uh developed societies there.

00:53:18.000 They have so much wealth that people just decide, you know, and I don't need to work or I don't need to work so hard, or two people in the household can work and two people can't.

00:53:25.000 So that's what we're starting to expect to be able to do.

00:53:27.000 They're lazy Euro trash, yes. 1.00

00:53:28.000 And they've basically like that.

00:53:30.000 They provided nothing to the world in recent decades in the last year.

00:53:34.000 If you were to make uh make a list of the top 50 uh market cap companies, we're the majority.

00:53:39.000 You got a couple uh in China and you have L VMH.

00:53:43.000 I mean, you know, things like in Europe.

00:53:44.000 Yeah.

00:53:45.000 Everything's else is us.

00:53:46.000 So everything else is us.

00:53:47.000 Oh, and a Ramco, uh, oil.

00:53:49.000 Yeah.

00:53:49.000 So you know, we we do that's one of the great things.

00:53:52.000 This is one thing where I think, and I appreciate you, but I think you have a blind spot.

00:53:56.000 Because I used to agree with you when I was a younger libertarian.

00:54:00.000 Libertarian?

00:54:00.000 I I I was.

00:54:01.000 I used to, yeah, I used to think that and the drug war turns out legalizing black tar heroin has bad results.

00:54:06.000 Uh this is like when I was a teenager.

00:54:07.000 But I will say that job uh or employment rates and labor force participation rates are important.

00:54:12.000 We would agree, right?

00:54:13.000 Those numbers were tweaked in massage and Barack Obama, and that's why people are going, well, I'm not hearing not experiencing what I'm hearing.

00:54:18.000 But it doesn't really apply anymore when all of the new jobs added.

00:54:22.000 So you're looking at those two numbers.

00:54:24.000 It doesn't take into account millions of jobs being added to people who are being imported at lower rates to replace jobs that Americans can and are willing to do, and a net job loss to native born Americans.

00:54:37.000 We can't say that it's because all of them have gone to the gig economy and don't want to work.

00:54:41.000 That wouldn't be accurate.

00:54:42.000 And if people don't understand those numbers, I think that's where you'll make predictions very similar to those political analysts in the past who predicted people like Mitt Romney who predicted Hillary Clinton winning, where you don't understand why Donald Trump is immensely popular on the immigration issue.

00:54:56.000 Americans are losing jobs, they're being imported. 1.00

00:54:59.000 That's a big factor.

00:55:01.000 Yeah, I mean, the the real issue around these jobs is also the ability to move from state to state geography matters uh in addition to skills matching and easier than moving from Calcutta.

00:55:14.000 Well, in fact, um, if you have nothing in Calcutta and you can get a one-way ticket here, uh, as you know, you're gonna get uh a lot of services here for free, depending on which state you land in.

00:55:26.000 So in fact, you are correct.

00:55:27.000 It is easier to go from Calcutta because nobody is paying for an American in Detroit to move to a job in Austin.

00:55:32.000 Uh so yes, you're correct.

00:55:34.000 Yeah.

00:55:34.000 And that's the priority that needs to be set.

00:55:36.000 Right.

00:55:36.000 And that's the and that's that those are the people who've been left behind.

00:55:39.000 Those are the people who uh again support this country and are the driver of this country, the person who's being screwed right now, and this is the reason for Donald Trump.

00:55:48.000 It's not moderate.

00:55:49.000 I mean, for the first time you saw, I believe it was the SCIU where they didn't endorse a candidate because their own union membership, it was gonna be you know, mutiny on the union because they were going, hold on a second, we don't want to elect the same people.

00:55:58.000 You mentioned NAFTA TPP, of course, which they see is a deeply Clinton and kind of you know classically Democrat stance as well.

00:56:04.000 And we could argue that both sides have supported this at our own peril.

00:56:07.000 But right now, the working class Americans, the people footing the bill, the people paying taxes who are then being met with a bill of 150 to 450 billion dollars a year for people who come in, enjoy these services in some cases pay nothing because they come illegally, but even those who migrate to this country legally take a job at 60, 70 percent of the American salary, and we look and go, hey, unemployment's great, but they can't afford a house. 0.98

00:56:30.000 They can't get a job for which they're qualified.

00:56:33.000 These are the people who are sort of the forgotten, the uncounted man.

00:56:37.000 100%.

00:56:38.000 Yeah, and this is why Trump won, is because he speaks to those folks.

00:56:41.000 And I I'm curious what you think, because you're a conservative, you're a Christian, you were formerly libertarian.

00:56:46.000 I'm gonna try to get a guess on this.

00:56:48.000 And I think you're also for free markets and capitalism, but I don't know that.

00:56:52.000 So just open-ended question.

00:56:53.000 What do you think about the minimum wage and raising the federal minimum wage?

00:56:57.000 Do you think that should be a priority?

00:56:58.000 Because that was one of the things I thought Trump might want to because he did a really good job with um no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, really speaking to the lost people you're talking about.

00:57:07.000 What do you think about the minimum wage and raising it, you know, just to match inflation or maybe double inflation for the you know the lowest jobs?

00:57:14.000 I think it's a red herring because I think we don't have enough time to discuss it, and it actually wouldn't help with those jobs.

00:57:18.000 Because what we're discussing are jobs that would pay an American 110 to 160,000.

00:57:22.000 Oh, you're not gonna be able to do that.

00:57:23.000 But you can get an immigrant job do it for 75,000 living with six families while a placement agency skims them off the top. 1.00

00:57:28.000 We're not talking about the lowest paid jobs.

00:57:30.000 I was actually funny enough, this is a funny story on the mailing list back in uh I believe 2014-2015, it was fight for 15.

00:57:37.000 And we all know that was a racket that was funded by NGOs because they would say we're gonna host some kind of a protest or a rally, but they never sent it out.

00:57:43.000 They would only send pictures afterwards of them at a local McDonald's, and it was always the same people, and now it's fight for 25.

00:57:50.000 So I think that's a number that doesn't actually apply to what we're discussing here because we've been told who's gonna pick your lettuce.

00:57:55.000 Well, it turns out you look at, I believe it was in Nebraska, plenty of Americans will work at a meat packing plant.

00:57:59.000 But we're also being told now, hey, who's gonna do your highly skilled engineering jobs?

00:58:03.000 Well, what happened?

00:58:04.000 I thought Americans just didn't want to pick lettuce.

00:58:06.000 It sounds to me like Americans are just not considered for a lot of jobs that they're qualified and willing to do.

00:58:12.000 And if you look at the the numbers, the employment numbers under Biden, we see a proactive orchestration of bringing in cheap labor and pricing Americans.

00:58:22.000 Yeah, we agree.

00:58:22.000 40 years of bringing in cheap labor has an impact.

00:58:25.000 This is where three years.

00:58:26.000 Three years.

00:58:27.000 It was a no it was a huge change.

00:58:28.000 It was one point five, I think it was one and a half million uh, I believe, lost jobs.

00:58:34.000 Yeah, I thought it was a hundred thousand.

00:58:35.000 Hold on, they're they're gonna send me it was one one and a half million lost native jobs.

00:58:38.000 We get strongly agreeable.

00:58:39.000 1.5 million foreign jobs increase.

00:58:41.000 The exact opposite of Donald Trump.

00:58:43.000 One point five million native jobs, and we lost one million foreign jobs.

00:58:47.000 So that tells a different tale in the employment and job participation.

00:58:49.000 Well, and this is why you know, to just go full circle here.

00:58:53.000 This is why fining uh businesses that hire undocumented labor that creates pain for them. 1.00

00:58:59.000 Um and then they go, oh, paying a living wage or paying a wage that gets an American who has a mortgage or two kids to come to work and not feel insulted and that it's a waste of time to even go because the gas and the child care doesn't even add up.

00:59:12.000 It doesn't math.

00:59:14.000 You will now you're penalizing them for breaking the rules, and you're incenting them to, hey, raise the rate up.

00:59:20.000 This is why I am really doing a deep dive into what a reasonable minimum wage would be.

00:59:27.000 And I it it is a big longer discussion, but I do wonder if as a backstop, you know, just even modest, like one dollar a year for 10 years or something, just to have you keep up with inflation a bit would be interesting.

00:59:38.000 Uh and then on top of that, obviously, as you're pointing out, the business owners are gonna do what is the most convenient for and what drives the most shareholder value.

00:59:48.000 I know this because I'm an investor in these companies.

00:59:49.000 And when I watched when uh New York City aggressively did their $15, $20 an hour thing uh was that most people matched it.

00:59:58.000 But we had a number of companies we'd invested in.

01:00:00.000 Um, and I had seen a number of pitches of automation for things like fast food.

01:00:05.000 And I I did I passed on investing in these companies that were doing kiosks because I was like, yeah, that doesn't make any sense.

01:00:11.000 Nobody wants to order from a kiosk.

01:00:12.000 Like maybe in 10 years people will, or the order on their mobile phone is probably better, but sure enough, all of those business owners and the uh people who own those kiosk companies, they called me back.

01:00:22.000 Oh my god, our revenue went 10x this year.

01:00:23.000 And I said, What happened?

01:00:24.000 They said, Oh, New York City and Seattle raised the minimum wage two dollars a year.

01:00:28.000 So all of a sudden, our kiosks made sense.

01:00:31.000 And now you go to a McDonald's, they're like, there's no there's no cashier.

01:00:34.000 If you want to use a cashier, they're like, Yeah, give me five minutes, I'll go find one.

01:00:36.000 Yeah.

01:00:37.000 Or you go to a waffle house if you want to fight at 2 a.m.

01:00:40.000 But I will say this.

01:00:41.000 Uh I think it's right.

01:00:42.000 Hang on, let me explain to you why.

01:00:44.000 The average salary increase we just discussed this under Barack Obama.

01:00:47.000 We've never been to a waffle house.

01:00:49.000 Well, that's your white privilege showing.

01:00:50.000 No, no, there's only one waffle.

01:00:52.000 When I first came to the States, so I thought it was like, oh, a magical land of all these different waffles, assortments of like 31 flavors.

01:00:58.000 There's just a basic waffle.

01:00:59.000 They toss an ego on a griddle and go, good enough.

01:01:01.000 But I will say this it doesn't really apply because we would both agree.

01:01:05.000 The Democrat Party is the one who've largely championed minimum wage, fight for 15, now it's fight for 25, it always has to increase.

01:01:11.000 But under Barack Obama, average salaries eight years only went up about a thousand dollars, first term of Trump, about four thousand dollars under Biden, went down four thousand dollars.

01:01:19.000 There's a far greater effect on the average American wage uh that we see a direct impact that relates to immigration policy, and it's a far better precursor or metric to use than some minimum wage because most people aren't staying in those jobs, and those aren't the jobs that are affected by this immigration policy.

01:01:35.000 So I do appreciate you come.

01:01:37.000 We could do a whole other episode on H1.

01:01:38.000 I mean, listen, this was great.

01:01:39.000 I appreciate it.

01:01:40.000 Hey, what is the what what are what are your co-hosts think uh think of this?

01:01:42.000 I want to hear their uh feedback on how we did it.

01:01:45.000 Oh, all right.

01:01:45.000 Well, I know Gerald has got some questions.

01:01:47.000 They they are just because if they talk, then you can't hear me and I can't.

01:01:50.000 I do not come on sometimes.

01:01:53.000 I usually it's more of a shock rear plug.

01:01:56.000 I do, but you don't want to know where it is.

01:01:57.000 It's a shock plug.

01:01:58.000 Oh my god.

01:01:59.000 And honestly, it takes four hours to wipe the smile off their face when we wrap.

01:02:03.000 Absolutely.

01:02:03.000 They this is why they keep getting out of line.

01:02:05.000 They like it.

01:02:06.000 You may need a different punishment.

01:02:09.000 There's a lot to look, I I think having you on another time we are, we're pretty much out of time today, but I think having you on, but I have two points.

01:02:16.000 When you consider your minimum wage increases, the dollar a year, do me a favor and consider another number for the minimum wage altogether, which is zero dollars, because I think the math works out really well.

01:02:25.000 But I also, and I'm I'm dead serious on that.

01:02:28.000 I don't think there should be a minimum wage at all, but I understand there's issues with that.

01:02:31.000 We could talk about it.

01:02:32.000 And then consider this.

01:02:33.000 Aren't you incentivizing people to be violent in the future when they don't like what the government does?

01:02:36.000 Because what it will do is create enough public pressure and worry about losing races and campaigns that they will just become violent so that they don't have to do whatever we're trying to get them to do.

01:02:46.000 I mean, nobody said immigration enforcement was going to be easy.

01:02:49.000 In fact, we called it.

01:02:50.000 We said, just wait, the media is gonna spin up these stories.

01:02:52.000 It's gonna be very, very difficult to do.

01:02:55.000 And we've already got rules and fines in place for businesses that hire illegals, and it isn't working out very well. 1.00

01:03:00.000 Yeah.

01:03:01.000 Um violence is immoral.

01:03:03.000 Um, I don't even agree with that.

01:03:06.000 Well, I mean, okay.

01:03:09.000 Uh I don't think this needs to be done violently, as we talked about.

01:03:13.000 I agree.

01:03:14.000 Antis should not be acting violently towards these ICE agents.

01:03:17.000 Neither should the uh oath keepers and the Proud Boys uh you're pulling up.

01:03:23.000 How many incidents?

01:03:24.000 No, there we go back to January 6th.

01:03:25.000 That's how you know you've lost the argument.

01:03:27.000 How many oath keepers or uh these militiamen have attacked uh ice agents right now carrying out the manufacturer?

01:03:32.000 Oh no, they are the ICE agents.

01:03:33.000 Uh they're being amazing.

01:03:34.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

01:03:35.000 Oh, okay.

01:03:35.000 No, they literally are.

01:03:36.000 How many innocent American citizens are they beaten?

01:03:39.000 And that's not a very smart argument.

01:03:40.000 Yeah.

01:03:41.000 I respectfully said that.

01:03:43.000 Hold on a second.

01:03:43.000 This is why I didn't want them to come in.

01:03:45.000 I didn't I didn't want you to feel ganged up on it.

01:03:46.000 I always tell them, hey, it's not fair if there's two or three of us.

01:03:49.000 That's why, and they like the shock butt plug.

01:03:52.000 Okay.

01:03:52.000 All right, yeah, it's fair enough.

01:03:53.000 Now I understand the butt plug.

01:03:54.000 I think you're a funny guy.

01:03:55.000 Uh this has been fun sitting here.

01:03:57.000 Yeah, it's been a good time.

01:03:58.000 Well, I give my take.

01:04:00.000 Very nice.

01:04:01.000 Thank you, Josh.

01:04:02.000 That was Johnson.

01:04:03.000 Did he shock him?

01:04:05.000 He asked for another shock.

01:04:06.000 He wants to turn it up.

01:04:07.000 I think he said the GIMP said turn it up.

01:04:10.000 Yeah.

01:04:11.000 Bring out the GIMP, Stephen.

01:04:12.000 Yeah.

01:04:13.000 Well, well, I don't know if you're not going to be able to add it on Speed Dow.

01:04:16.000 Yeah.

01:04:16.000 And if you want to get more GIMP, go to the comment browser and search imp.

01:04:22.000 You're not going to like the results.

01:04:26.000 All right, guys, this is great.

01:04:27.000 Yeah, I appreciate it.

01:04:28.000 Well, yeah, I appreciate it.

01:04:29.000 And I I think we're and what I mean by I don't even support the idea that violence is immoral, I think that's largely a leftist stocking point because you'll never you'll never hear me say uh political violence is never the answer because we wouldn't have a country.

01:04:41.000 It's silly.

01:04:42.000 It's a platitude, it's dumb and doesn't pass the basic logic test.

01:04:45.000 I think violence is amoral, just like money.

01:04:47.000 I think I can violently rape someone or I can violently stop a rape.

01:04:51.000 I think I can break the law by breaking into a country by entering illegally, and I think I can enforce the law. 1.00

01:04:57.000 So I think force is used to violate a law.

01:05:00.000 And in this case, force can be used to enforce the law.

01:05:02.000 And for people, not that you are on the left, who say that everything is so nuanced, right?

01:05:08.000 Seems like one of those areas where violence um is more nuanced than they give it credit for.

01:05:12.000 I I don't want to make the blanket statement that violence is immoral.

01:05:14.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with shooting pepper balls at the ground when people are trying to firebom an ICE facility, even though I also agree it's an act of the that's a that's a better way than doing than hitting people in the face.

01:05:24.000 Yeah, if you can avoid it.

01:05:25.000 Yeah.

01:05:25.000 That's what they've been doing.

01:05:27.000 That's what they're doing.

01:05:28.000 I hope so.

01:05:28.000 You know, all of the arts is good, you know.

01:05:30.000 Uh all this is a moving target.

01:05:33.000 Can't trust the press on either side, I don't believe.

01:05:35.000 And so we'll find out over time.

01:05:37.000 Um, but I hope maybe I can vent somebody in the audience to even consider other possibilities here that there could be other ways to do this.

01:05:45.000 Uh and if I didn't, at least I tried.

01:05:47.000 No, I really appreciate it.

01:05:48.000 And the show is um the show is the all-in podcast.

01:05:51.000 And did I pronounce it right by the way, Jason Calicanis is uh you did.

01:05:54.000 It's it's Greek for to have done well, and you can find the all-in podcast in the rankings.

01:05:58.000 Uh Steven Crowder's down here at 272, and then if you go to the top 10, you'll find us up there.

01:06:02.000 You'll find us up in the top 10.

01:06:04.000 I know, I see it.

01:06:05.000 It's just in the top 10.

01:06:06.000 Well, you put yourself behind a paywall.

01:06:08.000 I mean, that was well, no, we don't.

01:06:09.000 We had six figures watching live here uh in front of the paywall on the street.

01:06:12.000 No, that is pretty amazing.

01:06:13.000 I was impressed at how many people were in the chat room.

01:06:16.000 Like the chat's moving so fast.

01:06:17.000 Is the chat only paid partners?

01:06:19.000 Only paid only paid, yeah.

01:06:21.000 And um the toughest numbers to cheat in this industry, as you well know, are live viewership and live ticket sales, and we'll put them up with anybody, but we're number two hundred and fifty-two.

01:06:29.000 Let me ask you.

01:06:30.000 Final question you're gonna do.

01:06:31.000 Final question.

01:06:32.000 Final question.

01:06:32.000 What's my daily point?

01:06:34.000 The point system.

01:06:35.000 Oh, I I do it.

01:06:35.000 Well, what it well, no, don't tell anyone.

01:06:37.000 You can tell me off air, because I don't, you know, you want to keep it a surprise.

01:06:40.000 Uh but I will say P365.

01:06:42.000 P365.

01:06:43.000 That one's okay.

01:06:44.000 It's not gonna, it's not going to go off on its own.

01:06:46.000 Yeah.

01:06:46.000 It's um point system.

01:06:49.000 Just to make sure we clear so we point system in places like Korea and places like uh these Nordic countries.

01:06:54.000 That is for legal immigrants, correct? 0.99

01:06:56.000 Right now, 100%.

01:06:58.000 And what do they do with illegal immigrants?

01:07:00.000 Uh I mean, pick the country, but you can get it uh deported pretty quickly in Japan or Korea in the Nordics and other countries.

01:07:09.000 It's a whole process.

01:07:10.000 It depends.

01:07:10.000 It's in the cards.

01:07:13.000 Deportations in the cards in the European countries, getting deported is one of the hardest things to do.

01:07:18.000 So if you look at the case, I mean, just they basically reserve the most rights for the immigrants, uh illegal immigrants and the least rights for the native in those countries. 0.73

01:07:30.000 I mean, if you want to talk about backwards countries, they've really flipped the script over there, which is why they're losing any of the top entrepreneurs. 0.92

01:07:37.000 I see this in my day job.

01:07:38.000 Top entrepreneurs, they're like, I've got a great idea, I've got a great prototype.

01:07:42.000 I am out of here.

01:07:44.000 There is no way to build this company in this country.

01:07:47.000 Yeah.

01:07:47.000 With the exception of Sweden.

01:07:48.000 Sweden's got a disproportionate number of uh unicorns like Spotify.

01:07:52.000 But most of them just vault immediately.

01:07:54.000 They get out of there as quick as possible because it just if you want to fire somebody in France, oh my lord, you have to take them to court.

01:08:01.000 It takes two years in America, it's employment at will.

01:08:03.000 So you can just shock these guys with their butt plugs and they complain.

01:08:07.000 I get it.

01:08:07.000 Game over.

01:08:08.000 I don't want to mimic France, but they got new beaches.

01:08:10.000 The minimum wage.

01:08:11.000 They got nude beaches, just not in the winter.

01:08:13.000 Jason, of the all-in podcast, we really appreciate it, brother, and we will definitely have you back on.

01:08:17.000 Um thank you very much.

01:08:19.000 I appreciate you uh standing in here and having this discussion, and uh hopefully it was productive for both of us.

01:08:24.000 Yeah, I enjoyed it.

01:08:24.000 Take care, boys.

01:08:25.000 Thank you guys.

01:08:26.000 God bless, brother.

01:08:27.000 That has been Jason Calicanus, everybody.

01:08:33.000 Sorry, we did pick I we didn't pick that picture on purpose.

01:08:36.000 I thought it was a promo picture somewhere.

01:08:38.000 You didn't like the way he looked.

01:08:40.000 He has to go to men's warehouse.

01:08:42.000 He looks more now like uh you're gonna like the way you look.

01:08:44.000 No, no, no.

01:08:45.000 He's he looks better now.

01:08:46.000 He looks like what's his name?

01:08:46.000 The uh the English guy in Mad Men.

01:08:48.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:08:49.000 I listen, I thought it was a really She found tring on his pubis. 0.99

01:08:53.000 That guy.

01:08:54.000 Wow.

01:08:54.000 Yeah, I didn't I yeah, it's not what I was saying.

01:08:56.000 What was his name?

01:08:56.000 Norris?

01:08:57.000 I don't know.

01:08:58.000 Some of his expressions, he looks like my father-in-law.

01:09:00.000 Really?

01:09:00.000 Yeah, there's some expressions in me and I was like, Oh, that's Troy.

01:09:03.000 Yeah.

01:09:03.000 Um, let's grab a couple of chats, and then we got I know we've gone late.

01:09:06.000 Just a couple of chats, and we got to go, I'll try and rapid fire them because I know probably a lot of people who have questions about the discussion.

01:09:11.000 Uh I'm trying to see if I have any on the discussion, but uh I don't want to that's what this is.

01:09:18.000 How many of you have in the discussion?

01:09:20.000 How many about my butt plug?

01:09:22.000 Seven about the buttons.

01:09:22.000 That's a butt.

01:09:23.000 All right.

01:09:24.000 Uh come on, guys.

01:09:25.000 You're better than that.

01:09:26.000 Silicone.

01:09:27.000 We'll we'll start with this and I'll I'll go searching.

01:09:29.000 So first chat from I. Ortega.

01:09:31.000 During the peace signing yesterday, a woman brought each leader their deal to sign.

01:09:34.000 Do you think this was a power move by Trump to these Middle Eastern leaders or just a coincidence?

01:09:39.000 I don't know.

01:09:40.000 I don't care right now.

01:09:41.000 I thought you guys were talking about the discussion between me and uh that guy.

01:09:44.000 Was she in a skirt? 1.00

01:09:46.000 I don't think uh I don't think Trump uh really cared about that.

01:09:49.000 I don't think it's a power move.

01:09:50.000 I don't think he does.

01:09:51.000 I think it's a nice little bonus uh for America, but I don't think it's uh intentional power move.

01:09:56.000 I think that Jason is sort of um he he's someone from a but doesn't realize that he still um has talking points from a bygone era of of those in legacy media and those who are kind of moderate conservatives.

01:10:06.000 It just doesn't really apply today anymore as it relates to immigration as it relates to race relations right now in this country.

01:10:11.000 People say, Oh, it's not race, it's culture.

01:10:13.000 Well, yeah, that's most of it.

01:10:14.000 But now people are also acknowledging the realistic differences where race is at least a pretty good co-indicator of what kind of a culture people are gonna have.

01:10:21.000 When you say, well, it's just uh employment and labor force participation, who sure, if you didn't know the numbers as far as an orchestration of bringing in cheap foreign labor by design, then say, well, all everyone's done it.

01:10:31.000 Not if you contrast Trump and you contrast Biden.

01:10:33.000 Like these numbers matter.

01:10:34.000 I think Donald Trump just sort of circumvents the so-called experts, and he's kind of still in that class where everyone was so surprised.

01:10:42.000 And everyone was really surprised by Gen Z men. 0.71

01:10:44.000 And everyone was really surprised by younger Hispanic uh men, because they sort of view it through this prism that just doesn't exist anymore.

01:10:53.000 Yeah.

01:10:53.000 And I think that's uh he just sort of like you said, I don't think he cares about the opposite.

01:10:56.000 I think he cares about getting something done.

01:10:58.000 He just sort of plows through and goes, at the end of this, it's gonna be good.

01:11:01.000 Yeah.

01:11:02.000 And that's why we saw him re-elected.

01:11:03.000 Well, and I think the one of the reasons that I think Jason was wrong in how he was looking at midterms is that typically the the ruling party does have a a bit of a hard time in midterms.

01:11:11.000 Of course, it always turnout, typically.

01:11:12.000 Right.

01:11:13.000 It's not it's not necessarily the policies, it's basically turnout, and the other side wants to protest.

01:11:17.000 So I think what he's looking at is like, oh man, I would really want to win a race.

01:11:20.000 That's the problem.

01:11:22.000 I don't want to win a race.

01:11:23.000 I want to do what is right, and I want to bring the American people along to also win a race.

01:11:27.000 I'm gonna preserve our right.

01:11:30.000 Right.

01:11:30.000 You want to give people a reason to show up, go out, do exactly what you told people you were gonna do, and do it in the face of withering criticism while you're doing the right thing.

01:11:40.000 That will motivate people to get out to the polls in a non-presidential cycle more than anything else.

01:11:45.000 So I think he's completely wrong.

01:11:46.000 And I think he's just he's straw manning the proud boys and the oath speaker.

01:11:50.000 What are they saying?

01:11:50.000 Well, you see him do it on one side and not the other side.

01:11:53.000 Yeah.

01:11:53.000 That's what you see.

01:11:54.000 Go uh MAGA Proud Boys.

01:11:55.000 Well, I don't need to go down to Proud Boys, who by the way aren't even as radical as you think.

01:11:58.000 I'll just go Kamala Harris, The candidate. 1.00

01:12:00.000 Yeah.

01:12:01.000 That's as radical as we're talking about.

01:12:02.000 I'll just go to Joe Biden.

01:12:03.000 Hey, look at the policy.

01:12:04.000 Right?

01:12:04.000 And I just think it's unchair.

01:12:06.000 Because he's a very uh articulate guy, soft spoken guy.

01:12:08.000 So sometimes people will seem like, isn't this reasonable?

01:12:10.000 And you go, wait a second.

01:12:11.000 That's not reasonable at all.

01:12:12.000 No.

01:12:12.000 I don't agree with that whatsoever.

01:12:14.000 I don't agree with uh this ever increasing minimum wage.

01:12:17.000 I and by the way, the numbers aren't accurate.

01:12:19.000 No, zero will provide those numbers publicly.

01:12:21.000 They're just not accurate.

01:12:22.000 I don't know what he's doing.

01:12:24.000 What he was citing was UPen.

01:12:25.000 Because I read these and I know what he was citing on air.

01:12:27.000 And then switched it to the math of the ICE annual budget, and I believe sort of prorating the deportations that we have now, which isn't an entire annual budget, but then saying in the uh you know, increasing costs and throws lawsuits into this.

01:12:39.000 Well, hold on a second.

01:12:40.000 Then we have to take into account the self-deportations.

01:12:42.000 We have to take into account money saved there at the border and dealing with far fewer border crossings interactions.

01:12:48.000 And he just goes like, yeah, well, I don't know about that.

01:12:50.000 It's like, well, the labor force in Japan said, yeah, but how many of them are native and how many of them are foreign?

01:12:54.000 I don't know about that.

01:12:55.000 Well, how do you not know about that?

01:12:57.000 Because that's central to this.

01:12:58.000 And I I just think that uh I think that Donald Trump has a wide open field where where people who are even more moderate, and I think a very nice guy have a blind spot.

01:13:08.000 And that's the American worker, the American taxpayer.

01:13:10.000 Not everything is theory.

01:13:12.000 Not everything is never, not everything is like, well, we could do this and we could do that.

01:13:15.000 And I don't think he understood that I was saying basically this would still result in the same number of people being deported because they wouldn't be able to pay their back taxes immediately with interest.

01:13:23.000 They don't speak the language, and they're not refugees. 1.00

01:13:25.000 In other words, but it would be single digit he said less than one percent.

01:13:28.000 Less than one percent can stay.

01:13:30.000 On that we agree.

01:13:31.000 Let's grab some chats.

01:13:32.000 Okay.

01:13:33.000 Uh and real quick, here's your madman actor.

01:13:35.000 That's uh Jared.

01:13:37.000 Was his name Lane Price?

01:13:38.000 Yes.

01:13:38.000 Jared Harris is the actor.

01:13:40.000 Ah, he's a great actor.

01:13:41.000 I like him.

01:13:41.000 Yeah.

01:13:41.000 Great.

01:13:42.000 Okay.

01:13:42.000 Uh next chat from Mr. Never Miss.

01:13:45.000 Question for Stephen.

01:13:46.000 After seeing him use many leftist legacy media talking points, you rightly pointed out that he's not he's not moderate.

01:13:52.000 So what stance do you think a moderate would take?

01:13:55.000 Aaron Powell I think a moderate stance right now is uh seal up the border and um deport as large of a percentage of illegal immigrants here as possible.

01:14:04.000 I think that's really pretty I think anything else is leftist extremism.

01:14:09.000 That's what I think.

01:14:10.000 Now, if you want to talk about alligator Alcatraz and those optics, okay, sure.

01:14:13.000 I don't think there's anything radical about saying, hey, you're here illegally, we can't track you.

01:14:18.000 This isn't able to cartel uh human trafficking trade.

01:14:21.000 You've got to go and go back through the process.

01:14:23.000 You know, similar process to the countries that he cited, like Korea, like Japan, like these Nordic models.

01:14:29.000 There's a point system for legal immigrants, and that's true, by the way, in Quebec, which is a socialist province, you don't get your assurance maladie unless you're attacked, unless you're you can prove that you are contributing. 0.96

01:14:38.000 Yeah.

01:14:38.000 They are far more strict than where.

01:14:39.000 You know who else is just as strict, more strict?

01:14:41.000 Mexico.

01:14:42.000 So I don't think it's radical to have the same kind of policy that all of these other countries have.

01:14:46.000 I think it's actually uh completely moderate.

01:14:48.000 So my I I don't believe that his viewpoint is moderate.

01:14:51.000 Uh I believe his presentation is compassionate.

01:14:53.000 No.

01:14:54.000 And listen, I'm sorry, I I had to bite my tongue several times.

01:14:57.000 You want to throw the Jesus argument out of compassion?

01:14:59.000 Like, how about the compassion for the people that are here?

01:15:01.000 What about compassion that you have for the American people?

01:15:05.000 And just go dive into that, because it just doesn't hold water.

01:15:07.000 And I look I understand where he's trying to go, but there's a couple of places either he's a little ill-informed or he's being a little disingenuous.

01:15:14.000 And I I overall thought it was a good conversation.

01:15:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:15:17.000 I think he's trying to find solutions, honestly.

01:15:19.000 But some of the paths that he's going down are either has blinders on or just doesn't work.

01:15:24.000 When someone goes to January 6th, it's like, okay, all right.

01:15:26.000 Of course.

01:15:27.000 We just had we just had like 20 of them in the last two months just in dealing with ice as far as January 6th.

01:15:31.000 Uh final Chitty Chitty chat. 0.90

01:15:35.000 Uh all right.

01:15:36.000 So reasonable.

01:15:37.000 You seem surprised noodles.

01:15:38.000 Why are you so stressed?

01:15:39.000 Stressed noodles over here.

01:15:41.000 I have to gauge which chats are final chat one.

01:15:44.000 All right, final chat from Rizzy Page.

01:15:46.000 Question for Stephen.

01:15:47.000 How do we help people understand that we're not immigrants?

01:15:50.000 Americans who have been here since 1776 are Americans.

01:15:54.000 Yeah.

01:15:55.000 Well, they won't acknowledge that.

01:15:57.000 That's why throughout the I don't think anyone here is Native American.

01:15:59.000 It's like, you mean we don't suck and eat each other?

01:16:02.000 Sure.

01:16:03.000 Yeah.

01:16:03.000 It's a lazy art.

01:16:04.000 My family's been here since before the Civil War, and this is one thing that uh that uh has bothered me for a long time is is we're all immigrants, we're all immigrants, and uh I know where they're getting where that talking point leads to going especially with this guy.

01:16:18.000 He he seemed like he was agreeing with most of most things you're saying, and he's getting to a certain point.

01:16:22.000 But uh you know, my family's been here for generations and generations.

01:16:26.000 I'm I think it's sixth generation infantrymen.

01:16:30.000 It's like how long before you're a Native American. 0.57

01:16:34.000 Well, here's also the how long have how much have you done for this land?

01:16:38.000 By that standard, you know who's not Native American?

01:16:40.000 Native Americans.

01:16:41.000 You guys heard about the land bridge theory?

01:16:43.000 They're basically Asian. 0.86

01:16:44.000 That's why they can't hold their firewater. 0.99

01:16:46.000 And then what what what what percentage of Britain is is Native American?

01:16:50.000 And and which one of them are are Roman descendants?

01:16:53.000 Yeah.

01:16:54.000 Which are, you know, you can do this with any place in the world.

01:16:57.000 I'll tell you where it starts.

01:16:59.000 Okay.

01:17:00.000 We got a new country.

01:17:01.000 All right.

01:17:02.000 Shine on this dial.

01:17:03.000 We got some scrolls here.

01:17:04.000 You can check them out.

01:17:04.000 Try the coffee.

01:17:05.000 We don't do tea anymore.

01:17:06.000 Fuck it.

01:17:07.000 So and they go, a new country.

01:17:10.000 Your old country doesn't exist.

01:17:12.000 You're promised nothing.

01:17:13.000 You're American.

01:17:14.000 Damn it's the rules.

01:17:15.000 You guys want to be here?

01:17:17.000 Every single person thereafter who said yes, predating the modern welfare state is an American.

01:17:25.000 That's the difference.

01:17:26.000 People going, do you have good benefits?

01:17:29.000 Do you have good can I got good job?

01:17:31.000 No.

01:17:32.000 Not coming here to take, coming here to risk, coming here to establish, coming here and declaring proudly that you are American.

01:17:40.000 That is a huge difference.

01:17:42.000 And that's what I tried to laser in on, and I felt like I didn't get it.

01:17:44.000 What is the difference?

01:17:46.000 There's a little bit of shock there.

01:17:47.000 I think it's a crap hole.

01:17:48.000 I don't think that people coming from India today who send their money back home and still identify as Indian and when asked can't list anything for you that they love about America more than their the crap hole they left. 1.00

01:18:01.000 I don't think it's the same as people who came here, whether they're Italian, Irish, British, French saying I'm American.

01:18:08.000 I know I'm promised nothing, but I'm going to stake my claim here.

01:18:12.000 Go forth.

01:18:13.000 And you know what?

01:18:14.000 I'm gonna try my hand at it.

01:18:15.000 There's a huge difference between someone fleeing a country that they view as uh persecuting them.

01:18:23.000 In most cases, that was actually the case.

01:18:24.000 Fleeing a country of persecution with a promise of nothing in return in order to be a part of the great new experiment, the great new country that is.

01:18:36.000 That is not the same as someone who goes, oh, the great new country that already exists.

01:18:44.000 What can I get from it and send back?

01:18:46.000 Because the difference is now you're taking from those people who built it.

01:18:51.000 And they're not sending back anywhere.

01:18:53.000 They're keeping their resources, not only financial resources, but they're keeping their emotional, their spiritual, their community resources, how they contribute.

01:19:02.000 They have nowhere else to send it to.

01:19:04.000 They build America.

01:19:07.000 The big difference is these generations of immigrants built America and stayed in America. 0.98

01:19:14.000 Now these people are coming in who have not built America and they don't continue to build America.

01:19:19.000 They take from what has been built in America and send it back to another country that's never gotten it right. 0.96

01:19:26.000 And I don't think it's the same thing.

01:19:27.000 And I don't think we share the same culture, same values.

01:19:30.000 And I don't think that it's genuine to act like we do.

01:19:33.000 We're the United States of America.

01:19:35.000 My opinion, unlike Michelle Obama, who was never proud of this country until her husband stepped foot in that office, think it's the greatest country on earth.

01:19:43.000 I think we're better than the other countries that existed before us.

01:19:46.000 That's why we left.

01:19:48.000 Let's try and keep that track record going.

01:19:50.000 That means we have to be vigilant on our toes.

01:19:52.000 We'll see you tomorrow.

01:19:53.000 Black and white the gray issues, Thursday.

Louder with Crowder - October 14, 2025

🔴 Trump is Winning so Big Even The Left Can't Deny It: Featuring Jason Calacanis of the All In Podcast 2025-10-14 18:05

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