On this episode of the podcast, the boys discuss the latest in the Ukraine crisis, including the White House press briefing, the Ukrainian president's press conference, and much, much more. They also discuss how to deal with the ongoing crisis in Ukraine, and whether or not it can be solved.
00:00:01.000The fact that it starts with Zelenskyy arriving and holding a press conference before they've had a conversation.
00:00:08.000This has now become sort of normalized behavior.
00:00:12.000This is extraordinarily dumb and terrible negotiating because you're giving your position away in advance, it puts whoever you're talking to in a horrible position.
00:00:22.000And this has now become a kind of foundation of Trump negotiation.
00:00:29.000As far as negotiation, the Finnish president Alexander Stubb Stubb said that more progress was made in the past two and a half weeks than the last three and a half years.
00:00:45.000I think in the past two weeks we've probably had more progress in ending this war than we have in the past three and a half years.
00:00:54.000And I think the fact that we're around this table today is very much symbolic in the sense that it's Team Europe and Team United States helping Ukraine.
00:01:07.000When people say I don't think the United States is the greatest country, the Finnish president said Team Europe, a continent and Team country.
00:01:19.000That's like saying, you know, the NYX team NYX and team entire Eastern Conference.
00:01:25.000Is that an accurate or something like that?
00:01:54.000If you guys want to say we're actually not the greatest country, we're okay with you nipping at our heels and we're just going to, we're going to step into our role as the big old swinging dick of the world on account of the fact that you said team entire continent and USA.
00:02:41.000Are we really just going to go after the people whose foreign policy and decision-making processes led us to where we are today and ask them if they think a new track that seems to be having some positive results, at least in the fact that we're communicating with one another very well right now.
00:02:56.000How to fight this and solve this problem?
00:02:58.000Because I'm betting that guy that they had on MSNBC and the TriView is probably somebody from the Obama or Biden administration, which did nothing about this.
00:03:14.000I'm just asking, but worse than that, before Crimea, before Barack Obama told Mitt Romney, no, no, no, no, the Yankees called, they want their foreign policy back.
00:03:23.000When he was running for president, Georgia happened.
00:04:03.000You're going to see the left as they accept the reality that this has been an incredible, a raging success.
00:04:13.000If this plays out in the way that it seems like it's going to, I should say, if this plays out as successfully as all these European leaders and Donald Trump hopes for it to be and Putin and Zelenskyy, they' were on board with us all the time, and circumstances changed, but it's actually not Trump's fault, it was everyone else stepped up.
00:04:34.000Or they'll try and undercut it and act like, ah, really, this just cut Ukraine off at the knees, so it was an act of cruelty.
00:04:41.000They're not going to admit that they said the negotiations shouldn't take place, the phone call should never have happened, and Donald Trump will not assist in any type of international agreement.
00:05:37.000Now 69 percent want to negotiate to end the war as soon as possible compared to just 24 percent who want to fight until Ukraine wins.
00:05:44.000That's a 49 point drop in this position.
00:05:46.000You guys saw that, that breaking news, that was august 18th, except it happened quite a while before that, and it begs the question, why wouldn't they want to cover the opinions of Ukrainians dying themselves regarding the war before President Trump's first step meeting with Putin?
00:06:05.000So before anything else, I just want you guys to know, before this meeting, there was a recent, uh, recent Gallup poll that showed that now 69% of Ukrainians favor a negotiation to the end of the war as soon as possible, with the remaining 24% being John Bolton's.
00:06:48.000Banner declares potential for US pledge to defend Ukraine.
00:06:50.000Right before that, what they said is Trump is saying that there will be no boots on the ground.
00:06:56.000American soldiers fighting in Ukraine against Russia, which should meet with That's fancy.
00:07:04.000Instead, yes, they've got a panel of people sitting around complaining about Donald Trump in some kind of way and going to Steve Bannon and saying, see, even Steve Bannon doesn't like this.
00:07:15.000You the first thing you said is, well, wait a minute, what kind of security guarantee?
00:07:18.000Well, that's American boots on the ground, no boots on the ground.
00:09:09.000There's plenty of things to choose from.
00:09:10.000It's really tough because when people will always like, and they'll always say, like, there definitely was a mild form of self loathing before Gerald was CEO because I was in charge and I have a general predisposition to have a problem with authority.
00:10:01.000I will take some, a very small portion of credit for the cultural shift in the Native Americans no longer being a sacred cow.
00:10:11.000Like if you poll people, they're like, oh gosh, all right, that's enough.
00:10:14.000They have reservations and can see what we're going to live, give the land back., come on, these weren't peaceful tribes on horseback.
00:10:19.000And when I was doing that back in 2009 and 2010, even conservatives would go, you really shouldn't talk about that because like it's a people got a thing about that, that's a third rail.
00:10:29.000And I was like, no, no, how many meth dens do you need?
00:10:32.000And how many pieces of land that look like an episode of Cops do you need before we say, we're not going to give any of this back?
00:10:39.000It's almost like we could learn this lesson in other places in the world right now.
00:10:42.000It's that compassion in war, in some cases, isn't great.
00:10:48.000Maybe in this case, we should have just made them assimilate into American culture.
00:10:51.000They'd probably all be better off and they could still go out and do whatever they want in the woods and make it, you know, fun for themselves, you know, like go form a community or something like that.
00:10:59.000But you're Americans, it's American land and you can't have casinos any more than anyone else can, but hey, yeah.
00:13:46.000Yeah, that's that's white kind of, but even then it's not like if you listen again, if you listen to hip hop, it's about killing fools daily.
00:14:01.000But, oh my gosh, look at this guy on CNN.
00:14:03.000It's like, it's weird because he has like a super big round face, but he has to pick a point where he gro where he grows a bark and shaves his head and his neck is too thin for it.
00:16:25.000Rock like a chocolate bar in fifty, you're you're getting sugar.
00:16:30.000Okay, let's watch this where, again, in case you just You just have to understand that people like, and not all black people, people like Seals.
00:16:38.000Everything wrong with the black community, everything wrong with the white community, of course, is to be blamed on white people.
00:16:44.000Everything wrong with the black community is, of course, to be blamed on white people.
00:17:22.000I think they vote him out, but maybe it was before that, where he talks about black culture and what it is that they glorify, and she blames white people.
00:17:29.000Didn't he say, like, black culture is toxic?
00:18:02.000Noodles and I are Kindred Spirits because he's the one left holding the bag where he has to put he relies on them to get him the time codes and then you guys give him flack even though he's just doing what they tell him.
00:18:30.000If that were not the case, then we wouldn't see the continued effort of colonialism and white people placing themselves in positions of power when they may not have the power because their culture.
00:20:15.000And you're like, I think this is way beyond the pale and no one as someone who is, you know, Republican or Conservative, we still we should do better than this.
00:20:22.000You should never refer to a woman as a bitch.
00:21:15.000So So a bitch is a woman who's condescending, who's nagging, who's shrill, like a bitch in heat.
00:21:21.000A man, right, who's a dick or a prick, they can kind of be used interchangeably, this is gendered in the masculine sense, is someone who is overly aggressive, right?
00:21:39.000So bitch is gendered, rightfully so, and prick is gendered.
00:21:45.000You very rarely refer to a woman as a prick.
00:21:48.000Culturally, you can refer to a man as a bitch because men can be denigrated by being told they're not enough of a man, they're more like a woman.
00:23:11.000How much do you want to bet that if I grab her by that unseen weave and treat her as I would any man for being just as disrespectful that all that police your own shit goes out the window?
00:23:21.000And she would pray to whatever deity she worships above that there's a cop who shows up to keep me from turning her into my personal slave.
00:23:29.000If you want to talk about might is right, and I mean that as far as anyone, meaning at one point in time you were a black, white woman, sex slave, you were turned into a slave if someone could do it.
00:23:41.000And someone like that who has nothing to offer in the might is white world, she benefits the most from police work.
00:23:48.000She benefits most from the rule of law.
00:23:51.000She there spoke to men in a way that in basic interactions no man of any self respect would permit and would beat her ass.
00:24:06.000You know what would happen with a woman like that?
00:24:07.000Brock Lesnar would have you chained up in his backyard along with not because you're black, some Native Americans, probably some Asians as well, and probably some other Vikings because he was bigger than them.
00:25:15.000She's the reason that my dad's best friend's father, Officer Perceroni, who works as a Detroit police officer, had to help his black police officer friends get home in unmarked cars because people like her said all cops are bastards and they would often have to go back to the black community that they were trying to help police.
00:25:44.000People like her make it more dangerous for black men, both police officers and the people who were at greatest, greatest risk in Detroit were black officers.
00:25:53.000They would have to go through unmarked, unmarked cars, sometimes switch off another car just to go back home.
00:25:58.000And she it's it's it's it's counterintuitive as well because what she was saying, I think prior to that was that when the black communities were kind of these separate communities, they would police themselves.
00:27:32.000Why is there such a disparity with poor young white people not doing drugs and offing other young white people or black people in record numbers.
00:27:42.000Why are poor young white men more often, not always, but statistically more often able to say, no, I don't want crack.
00:27:51.000No, I don't want to eat unhealthy processed food and purple drink.
00:27:55.000Why is it, and then why is it when you have someone in the black community, well, maybe I'm answering my own question, like Ben Carson who was raised to a single mother in Detroit and tried to stab a relative with a belt buckle, and instead becomes the world's most brilliant neurosurgeon who separated conjoined twins, you mock him and say he's not black enough.
00:29:21.000Also, by the way, an officer, I believe, is sixteen times more likely to be shot by a black man than an officer of any color is to shoot a black man.
00:29:32.000So armed white men are more likely to be shot by police officers than armed black men.
00:29:37.000The reason they choose the stat, and this is all going by rote, the reason they choose unarmed black men are more likely to, okay, you know what they don't include in that stat?
00:29:46.000Just like you talked about twelve times more likely to assault, commit a violent crime or murder a white person, unarmed black men are several times more likely to commit an assault against an officer, whether they have a weapon or not, are exponentially more likely to resist arrest.
00:30:03.000They're much more likely to, by the way, not even just commit an assault against an officer, but be violent with someone in their own community.
00:30:10.000When they both have guns, meaning it's cut and dry, hey, you have a gun, we need to disarm them, white men are more likely to get shot.
00:30:15.000When they're unarmed, well, now it gets opaque.
00:30:45.000Question, do you guys think people like that crazy black lady who has no points are complet are completely ignorant or just as bad as the grifters who jumped on the train when it was convenient for money.
00:30:54.000I would say she is willfully ignorant.
00:30:56.000In other words, she started out as ignorant, then she realized she had a kind of a niche.
00:31:04.000When I tell you it's important to identify the people whose minds you can change and the people who have a vested interest in perpetuating the lie, she is actually a textbook example of the latter.
00:31:19.000But the preponderance of evidence when you look at violent crime statistics in the United States both isolated to the black community, black to white., white to black, black to Asian.
00:31:29.000There's one group that stands out above all others, and there is one group that has a fatherless rate that stands out above all others.
00:31:35.000But she goes, don't bring that in here.
00:31:38.000That means it doesn't matter what you say.
00:31:40.000And that's also why I don't like this format.
00:33:27.000She was infinitely more respected than people who've shown up with liberals.
00:33:31.000And that's why I don't like that format.
00:33:34.000Well, first off, before that, here's the thing.
00:33:36.000One thing that I actually, I will say, I'm proud of, and I think all of us are here.
00:33:39.000If you have spent time watching the show for more than a week and have applied what we try and sort of impart, which is how to learn and how to discern, you are propaganda proof.
00:33:51.000You won't take what I say at face value unless you check the references, and you shouldn't.
00:33:57.000It makes it impossible for me to inject merely my opinion with no substantialation and you walk away believing it.
00:34:06.000When she talks about systemic racism and propaganda, okay, who is more likely to be susceptible to propaganda?
00:34:13.000The entire group of people who've come to, by the way, a contrary in opinion because of statistics, because of data that they have available, along with their lived experience?
00:34:24.000Are they more likely to be prone to being being propagandized?
00:34:28.000Or the person whose followers subscribe to the ideology and philosophy of don't you stats believe what I say?
00:34:40.000I'm really, if nothing else, I'm very proud of the fact that we've, hopefully, you know, when I die, it'll be recognized that we were the only place that made our sources, our references publicly available and consistently told you, do not believe us here in this room.
00:34:57.000don't i i stand by it and i think if you only have time to sit here and watch this um you'll be significantly more prepared and armed with information than And by the way, that includes the conservative viewing public.
00:35:50.000And I don't like it because so Change of Mind was kind of, you know, was at that point was pretty groundetty groundbreaking, where it was like, here's the premise.
00:36:02.000And by the way, we one time put up speakers because it was such a big crowd that other people were complaining they wanted to hear it.
00:36:09.000And we don't really do that a whole lot.
00:36:11.000Maybe we put up one speaker occasionally for people right around or the production crew, because it's not about performance art, we try and actually sort of, I guess you could say, court it off so that people feel like they're having a conversation and you get to witness what is closer to a real conversation.
00:36:28.000When it's someone standing like this and a line up on the other side of the table, now these people feel the peer pressure and they might act in a way that they wouldn't if they were having a discussion with you and when you put a timer when you put a timer that is based on a vote voting someone out well now you're no longer you're incapable of actually using the Socratic method and examining the root of your of your ideology of your logic because that would always be voted out.
00:37:19.000And that's a big reason why I've also kind of stopped doing it along with security issues.
00:37:22.000It's like, okay, we set out what we wanted to accomplish and then it got copied by a bunch of people and they changed it into click, click, click, click, click, click, click.
00:38:11.000But then what happens is when the people don't show up, then you have every Tom, Dick and Harry with five thousand X followers say, well, why wouldn't you debate me?
00:38:18.000And then they act like you're ducking someone.
00:38:19.000Well, you're not ducking someone if it's someone with a tenth of the followership.
00:38:23.000So we can never, I can never really, I've never been able to get my hands on, as it were, the people where it would make sense.
00:38:30.000The people who say they'll do it, they never show up.
00:39:02.000So here's the thing and then it makes it tough because we run a business and you're what matters most and we run a real show and so then they might show up and go like, hey, I got 155 minutes right now.
00:39:11.000It's like, well, we can't just hey, let's just let's treat this like we would all treat, you know, a meeting, which is with some professionalism.
00:39:19.000So it's like, ugh, I don't really want to do it because you never get to actually have the conversations that matter.
00:39:25.000You'd be surprised as to the number of people who refuse to show up.
00:39:55.000Honestly, we've looked at CNN because they say they're middle of the road, right?
00:40:00.000That's one of the reasons that we started focusing on them because we're just trying to just present their lies.
00:40:03.000You know, you've got Fox over here on the right, you've got MSNBC on the left and CNN in the middle.
00:40:07.000That's why we always reference them because we're trying to give you what they say is middle of the road.
00:40:11.000Obviously, we're going to disagree with MSNBC, but that's who I would want to debate.
00:40:15.000would want to debate Rachel Maddow or somebody like that if you're if you're limited to MSNBC hosts because I want the worst of the worst of the worst the furthest that you can get into their ideology I would rather have that because I feel like that's a better representation of that position.
00:40:36.000Yeah, but the truth is, no, I think people kind of know how that would go.
00:40:40.000Brian Seltzer, just because I really like it, I think it would be something, I would have a lot of questions.
00:41:28.000What happened is they would use the criticism, well, here's this when I was really young, you know, they would go, here's this young guy, who's just some comic, and so who cares what he has.
00:42:57.000We always know that MSM hates everything pro Trump related.
00:43:01.000At what point can we start auditing these companies to see where their anti-American talking points are coming from?
00:43:06.000Well, first of all, I would correct one thing, not pro-Trump, pro-America, pro-conservative, because they did it with Ronald Reagan, they did it with Nixon.
00:43:14.000We did that segment where we actually showed you not only cartoon images and news headlines that compared them to Nazis, but pictures with swastikas.
00:43:22.000So don't just hit your wagon to the Trump thing.
00:43:26.000He's been more effective as a lightning rod than anyone in highlighting it, because he's not been diplomatic about it, and I think that's what we needed.
00:43:33.000As far as auditing, you know, it's not you don't really need to audit, for example, CNN or ABC when you see like Stefanopoulos and his ties to the Clintons or you see a lot of these connections and where their donations go.
00:43:47.000And I think you probably would come up a little bit disappointed as far as like big Chinese money.
00:43:52.000I think you'd be surprised as to those online.
00:43:57.000Like tenant media with Lauren Southern, Lauren Chen, or Lauren Chen really was a spearhead.
00:44:03.000To be clear, people like Tim Poole didn't have no idea, but Lauren Chen did know that it was Russian money and seemingly lied to those people.
00:44:19.000I think you'd be surprised by money from Qatar.
00:44:22.000I think you'd be surprised online in money from China.
00:44:25.000We saw that a lot with the TikTok topic.
00:44:28.000We see Qatar a lot with the Hamas-Israel topic.
00:44:34.000So I think you'd be surprised in online media because a lot of these sort of, I guess, devil investors see it as an opportunity.
00:44:42.000With legacy media, these are just big giant corporations and so it's it's it's pretty easy to to see it's pretty plain to see but yeah that would be my answer sorry i said final chat but that final final chat and then you guys are going to go to Tim Poole and then Russell Brant.
00:44:57.000Okay, final chat from Captain Johnson.
00:45:19.000And your citizens have to be free to pursue life, liberty, and happiness.
00:45:24.000You actually have to start treating them the way that we do in the United States.
00:45:26.000You can have your own culture, but you can't be jailing people because of music, and you can't be jailing journalists, and you can't be pushing out propaganda.
00:45:37.000You're going to have to start playing by the rules.
00:45:38.000And we don't want to make you America, but these things are irreconcilable with the American way of life.