Louder with Crowder - 🔴 Trump vs. Tucker: Is Israel Dragging the US into War vs. Iran 2025-06-16 18:08

00:00:00.000 You'll get that.

00:00:00.000 You'll get this.

00:00:01.000 You're not expected to work.

00:00:03.000 You're not expected to be sexually responsible.

00:00:05.000 You are not expected.

00:00:06.000 No expectations.

00:00:07.000 Free stuff.

00:00:08.000 That's why they break the law.

00:00:09.000 Yeah.

00:00:09.000 And so here's the video of, I think, one of the angles.

00:00:13.000 It's not the overhead angle of the trucker.

00:00:14.000 We have two.

00:00:15.000 So this is the close-up first.

00:00:17.000 Yeah.

00:00:17.000 This is during the summer of love?

00:00:19.000 Yeah.

00:00:20.000 So there's a car.

00:00:21.000 He's coming.

00:00:22.000 He's slowing down.

00:00:26.000 Honking, slowing down, hitting the brakes, hitting the brakes.

00:00:28.000 Not hitting anybody, by the way.

00:00:31.000 And they mob him.

00:00:33.000 Oh my god, what just happened?

00:00:35.000 What just happened?

00:00:36.000 Well, a car was on the highway.

00:00:38.000 Yeah.

00:00:38.000 A truck that can't stop on a dime.

00:00:40.000 Exactly.

00:00:41.000 Did stop and did a pretty good job of it.

00:00:43.000 You said you have the aerial shot now?

00:00:44.000 Yeah, here's the overhead angle.

00:00:45.000 Alright, here you go.

00:00:46.000 Alright, it's pulling out.

00:00:47.000 It's like, okay, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.

00:00:51.000 And they were getting out of the way, by the way.

00:00:53.000 You know what I mean?

00:00:54.000 So I was like, I would have just kept going.

00:00:56.000 At that point, maybe thousands is wrong, but that looks like thousands to me.

00:01:00.000 That is absolutely thousands.

00:01:02.000 How many swarm?

00:01:03.000 Right now it's dozens, probably soon to be hundreds.

00:01:06.000 Didn't they beat the piss out of them?

00:01:08.000 I don't remember.

00:01:09.000 I know that happened to at least one truck driver.

00:01:13.000 You see stuff coming out.

00:01:14.000 I don't know if that's throwing rocks at it or whatever.

00:01:16.000 Yeah, throwing something for sure.

00:01:18.000 They're throwing stuff at the truck.

00:01:19.000 He didn't do anything.

00:01:20.000 He was just doing his job driving.

00:01:21.000 I think he may have gone around a barrier earlier.

00:01:25.000 Car is kind of trying to block it.

00:01:26.000 But now they're on his car and he's like, I got to get out of here.

00:01:29.000 Like they're trying to break in.

00:01:30.000 Now you hit the accelerator.

00:01:33.000 You got to start shooting. 0.79

00:01:34.000 It's them or you. 0.95

00:01:35.000 It's them or you.

00:01:36.000 Well, and here's what's going to happen.

00:01:38.000 And I, you know, I think it's 100% wrong to block a highway or road to protest.

00:01:43.000 100%.

00:01:43.000 I have no, no, but people are going to do this thinking, well, I can get away with this because we've done this before.

00:01:49.000 And a driver who has seen.

00:01:51.000 Stuff like this happened where people get pulled out of their cars and beaten half to death or threatened in their kids.

00:01:57.000 They're just going to go, I'm going to drive right now.

00:01:59.000 And now you've got fatalities from this happening.

00:02:01.000 Right.

00:02:01.000 Because it's not good on either side.

00:02:03.000 One, the protesters need to know, like, if you block a highway, the cops should have been doing, like, mace.

00:02:07.000 They should have been doing like whatever chemical agents from our Marvin the Martian the other day.

00:02:13.000 Whatever it takes to clear that highway because I want them to know you can't ever do this because you might die.

00:02:18.000 Even if you have the most peaceful aims, you can't block roadways.

00:02:21.000 There's a reason.

00:02:22.000 And I want motorists to know I'm never going to be faced with the decision of deciding whether I or my family die or some people that I've never met and I have no idea what their intentions are.

00:02:30.000 It's really this simple.

00:02:31.000 It's not a decision to me.

00:02:32.000 No.

00:02:33.000 No, exactly.

00:02:33.000 Well, here's why.

00:02:34.000 Here's exactly why.

00:02:35.000 Because the left has no sense.

00:02:37.000 Who has the duty there?

00:02:39.000 You're a pedestrian. 1.00

00:02:40.000 You have a duty to not block freeways.

00:02:44.000 You have a duty to not block major highways.

00:02:47.000 That's your duty.

00:02:48.000 You have to get off of the road.

00:02:50.000 As a driver driving on a freeway or on a highway with a speed limit of 60, 70, 80, wherever you are, you do not have a duty to stop randomly at non-intersections.

00:03:05.000 That's not something you're taught.

00:03:06.000 In other words, when you're taught in drivers as a pedestrian, look both ways, you're taught.

00:03:11.000 It's your job to get out of the way.

00:03:12.000 You're taught right of way at an intersection, sure, but you are never taught.

00:03:15.000 Oh, and by the way, on a freeway, at any given moment, you have to be ready to stop on a dime in case there are throngs of people who decide to swarm your car.

00:03:21.000 You're never taught that.

00:03:22.000 So one side is wrong because they have no semblance of duty or responsibility.

00:03:27.000 That's how you solve the problem.

00:03:28.000 You instill the duty in the people who disregard it.

00:03:31.000 That's it.

00:03:31.000 Josh, I think the only decision that I was even referring to, because I agree with you, it's not a decision, is basically if I'm in the car alone and I've got this situation, am I going to be charged with vehicular homicide?

00:03:41.000 Right.

00:03:42.000 Right.

00:03:42.000 Am I going to be charged with a crime because I'm basically trying to defend my life by not stopping and getting mobbed?

00:03:47.000 Oh, wait.

00:03:48.000 Right now, breaking.

00:03:48.000 FBI gives update on the Minnesota shooting.

00:03:50.000 Should we go to that?

00:03:51.000 Yeah.

00:03:51.000 Let's see what they say.

00:03:53.000 Senator Hoffman had a security camera.

00:03:56.000 I've seen the footage from that camera and it is chilling.

00:04:01.000 Belter knocked on Senator Hoffman's front door and repeatedly shouted, this is the police, open the door.

00:04:09.000 Senator Hoffman and his wife Yvette came to the door.

00:04:13.000 When they opened the door, Belter shined the flashlight in their faces and said there had been a shooting reported in the house.

00:04:20.000 Belter asked if they had any weapons.

00:04:22.000 When Belter lowered his flashlight, which he had shined in their face, they realized that he was not a police officer.

00:04:29.000 They shouted out, you're not a cop.

00:04:32.000 You're not a police officer.

00:04:34.000 So right there, what I hear is the first thing that a shooter asked when going to a house.

00:04:39.000 He was expressing his concern, do you have any weapons?

00:04:42.000 Because that changes the playing field.

00:04:43.000 And stop him from entering his home.

00:04:45.000 Belter shot him repeatedly.

00:04:48.000 Belter then shot Ms. Hoffman repeatedly. 1.00

00:04:51.000 Belter fled the scene, and the Hoffman's daughter called 911.

00:04:57.000 Unfortunately, the Hoffman survived.

00:04:59.000 Although they remain hospitalized.

00:05:02.000 That was a bad wording.

00:05:03.000 Unfortunately, they survived.

00:05:04.000 I think you can say, unfortunately, they are hospitalized.

00:05:07.000 ...to the home of another Minnesota State Representative in Maple Grove, Minnesota.

00:05:12.000 Video surveillance showed that Belter I'm curious to see if they address the manifesto, because obviously the FBI would have it.

00:05:20.000 Approximately 2.24 a.m.

00:05:22.000 on Friday night.

00:05:28.000 Wearing a tactical vest and body armor, carrying a handgun and a flashlight, and wearing that same hyper-realistic silicon mask.

00:05:37.000 Again, the images, as you can see on the screen, are haunting.

00:05:42.000 Now, fortunately, the state representative was not home.

00:05:46.000 She and her family were gone on vacation, and so Belter left.

00:05:52.000 Belter then traveled to the home of a Minnesota state senator who lived in New Hope, Minnesota.

00:05:59.000 He parked in the street in that same town.

00:06:01.000 I will say this is information that we already know that is out there.

00:06:07.000 So, okay, they're presenting it, but they should be giving this update because there are a lot of questions that are unanswered.

00:06:13.000 So there's a responsibility from the FBI right now.

00:06:15.000 If there's been circulation, if there's a manifesto and only snippets taken out of context, this is where the FBI can serve a purpose, not put together a timeline that we've already put together for you and people on social media have.

00:06:26.000 Okay, what about the questions that remain unanswered?

00:06:29.000 And that's what we did not get.

00:06:31.000 And then we found out it was actively being suppressed by authorities and three-letter agencies as it related to Nashville, if not for our inside source.

00:06:40.000 So I really hope that he takes some questions or gets to that and gives some new information.

00:06:46.000 Otherwise, it just seems like a charade.

00:06:50.000 According to the officer, he just sat there and stared straight ahead.

00:06:55.000 So the New Hope police officer, who had been dispatched to the scene, proceeded to the state senator's home, and she waited for other law enforcement to arrive.

00:07:04.000 When they did, by the time they did, Belter had left the scene.

00:07:12.000 So they sent a female cop, she waited for real cops, and he left before the real cops got there?

00:07:20.000 Yeah, seems like it.

00:07:22.000 In other words, it seems like he very much avoided any people who he knew had guns.

00:07:26.000 SUV with the police license plates.

00:07:37.000 Belter approached Representative Hortman's home, again dressed as a police officer, wearing the tactical vest and body armor, and wearing that hyper-realistic mask.

00:07:47.000 He was armed and carrying a flashlight.

00:07:51.000 Unless there's some video that I haven't seen.

00:07:54.000 Hyper-realistic is kind of generous when describing this mask.

00:07:58.000 Yeah.

00:07:59.000 It sort of looks like the Michael Myers mask in Halloween 4 after it's been put through the ringer.

00:08:04.000 I don't really know.

00:08:05.000 Takes the teeth out of the word hyper.

00:08:07.000 Yeah, it does.

00:08:10.000 Come on, that's from Spencer's.

00:08:12.000 ...in the driveway with the emergency lights flashing...

00:08:19.000 Several feet from the door.

00:08:22.000 When Belter saw the officers get out of the car, he drew his weapon and began firing.

00:08:28.000 He rushed into the house, through the front door, firing into it.

00:08:33.000 He repeatedly fired into the house, and when he entered, he murdered Representative Hortman and her husband, Mark.

00:08:42.000 The Brooklyn Park police officers fired at Belter as he...

00:08:55.000 Officers recovered Belter's 9mm Beretta, along with the body armor and the mask, behind the home, along his path of flight when he fled on foot.

00:09:06.000 They later searched Belter's car, where they found five more firearms, including Astault-style rifles and a large quantity of ammunition.

00:09:17.000 Belter also had in his car notebooks containing a list of more than 45 Minnesota state and federal elected officials, including Representative Portman.

00:09:31.000 Now, Belter planned his attack carefully.

00:09:36.000 He researched his victims and their families.

00:09:40.000 He used the Internet and other tools to find their addresses and names, the names of their family members.

00:09:47.000 He conducted surveillance of their homes and took notes about the location of their homes.

00:09:54.000 He also prepared in other ways.

00:09:56.000 He concealed himself as a police officer, outfitting his black SUV with police lights and a police license plate, wearing a black tactical vest and body armor, carrying a police flashlight and a handgun.

00:10:11.000 And of course he wore that hyper-realistic silicone mask.

00:10:21.000 That's going to give ammo to conspiracy theorists. 0.99

00:10:24.000 Because I've already seen people saying there's no way.

00:10:26.000 They've seen pictures of the guy where he's fat and it doesn't look like this guy.

00:10:30.000 They're going to say this is a false flag.

00:10:32.000 Him continuing to say hyper-realistic doesn't do them any favors.

00:10:35.000 Because it's not.

00:10:36.000 I know that murder's not funny, and I'm not trying to say that's funny, but I really was hoping that he had the mask.

00:10:43.000 And then he's going to hold it up and then put it on.

00:10:47.000 Like an OJ glove?

00:10:48.000 Yes, and this is what it would have looked like.

00:10:51.000 See?

00:10:51.000 I look like your uncle.

00:10:53.000 I look like your Uncle Tom.

00:10:56.000 You could fool anybody.

00:10:58.000 Count one charges in with stalking Representative Melissa Hortman using interstate facilities.

00:11:03.000 And that's Title 18, United States Code 2261.

00:11:07.000 The statutory penalties there are life in prison.

00:11:12.000 Count two similarly is a charge of his one with stalking State Senator John Hoffman using interstate facilities.

00:11:20.000 The statutory, the maximum penalty of that count is 20 years in prison.

00:11:25.000 Your state needs capital punishment.

00:11:27.000 Also, he needs to either address and say, we don't know the why, or the motivation at this point, or he needs to address it, because that's the question that everyone is asking at this point.

00:11:38.000 And that's really kind of what the FBI does, right?

00:11:40.000 If their job is to prevent this in the future, You know, that's why Islam is so concerning, because 158 million people across the world who are Muslim believe that violence is justified against non-Muslims.

00:11:55.000 So it does matter.

00:11:57.000 That's the role of these intelligence agencies, is to find out the, not just the how, but the why.

00:12:03.000 And their lack of transparency often is what leads to the clickbait farming.

00:12:10.000 Over the past 48 hours, federal, state, and local law enforcement from throughout the state of Minnesota have worked together to carry out the largest manhunt in Minnesota history.

00:12:23.000 Now, a lot has been said about law enforcement in recent weeks, but make no mistake, the men and women of our federal, state, and local law enforcement put their lives at risk and on the line.

00:12:36.000 on the line to keep Minnesota safe.

00:12:39.000 They work tirelessly, day and night, to make sure that the tragic events of Friday night end it without further violence or bloodshed.

00:12:48.000 Again, Senator.

00:12:49.000 Doesn't anyone else find it odd that he was able to run through the house, get out back, shed a bulletproof vest and his mask and his gun before the cops had a chance to catch up to him?

00:13:03.000 Doesn't that seem like there's a pretty long delay?

00:13:05.000 I mean, yeah, unless they thought maybe he was still in the house at the time.

00:13:08.000 Yeah, but they know he's going into the house where people already was able to murder them, isn't it?

00:13:10.000 In other words, if they're putting their lives in harm's way, shouldn't their number one priority be making sure, oh wait, he's in the house, now it's go time to make sure he doesn't kill anybody in there?

00:13:17.000 Yeah, I understand what you're thinking, but think about like you run into a house, you have no idea where this guy could be in the house.

00:13:23.000 Sure.

00:13:23.000 You don't want to just run in haphazardly.

00:13:25.000 you do have to move in kind of Josh.

00:13:26.000 You can probably speak to this more than obviously I could, but like there's some kind of a tactical manner that you're going to enter the house and try to clear rooms to understand where this person is.

00:13:38.000 While they said it was the largest manhunt, it was afterwards.

00:13:43.000 They talked about the female officer that found him and was there and then had to wait for backup to do anything and then he left.

00:13:54.000 Made it all the way through the house.

00:13:55.000 Made it out.

00:13:56.000 Shed his hyper-realism.

00:13:58.000 I don't think they had enough officers to set up what we call a cordon.

00:14:01.000 To make sure nobody exits.

00:14:04.000 It is dark.

00:14:05.000 It's night.

00:14:06.000 It is a civilian's house. 0.62

00:14:07.000 They don't know what's going on. 1.00

00:14:09.000 It sucks. 0.99

00:14:09.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:14:09.000 Well, they know he was already shooting at officers. 0.99

00:14:11.000 I think it was two officers is what they said were outside.

00:14:13.000 Yeah.

00:14:13.000 In other words, he was shooting at the officers.

00:14:15.000 They're shooting at him.

00:14:16.000 And he runs through the house.

00:14:17.000 And they know that he's shooting in the house.

00:14:18.000 So they know someone's being shot.

00:14:20.000 I know.

00:14:21.000 I'm not a police officer.

00:14:22.000 But let's see what this guy is saying.

00:14:24.000 To apprehend the individual responsible, but to understand the full scope of the threat.

00:14:31.000 That work continues.

00:14:34.000 This case became the largest coordinated manhunt in Minnesota's history.

00:14:40.000 We are proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with our law enforcement partners across the state.

00:14:47.000 No single agency could have done this alone.

00:14:51.000 And because of that unified effort, a dangerous individual was taken into custody.

00:14:59.000 Let me say this clearly.

00:15:03.000 I'll allow it.

00:15:04.000 Political violence has no place in this country.

00:15:09.000 The FBI, alongside our partners, will remain focused on the work ahead and on ensuring justice is served.

00:15:18.000 And with that, I'll hand it over to Drew.

00:15:20.000 What does that mean, political?

00:15:22.000 That they were politicians?

00:15:24.000 Thank you with those comments, and we're thankful today to see these charges filed.

00:15:31.000 Early on with our partners from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and other federal partners from the ATF, United States Marshal Service, and others, they provided assistance to the team of local investigators from the Brooklyn Park Police Department, Hennepin County Sheriff's Office, and the BCA.

00:15:47.000 Can you guys bring up the tip line for people?

00:15:49.000 If there's anyone there in any Minnesota law enforcement agencies who has any information, particularly on the manifesto, guys need proof of product?

00:16:00.000 The person who got us Nashville is as snug as a bug in a rug.

00:16:04.000 The FBI, we had threats that we were going to be sued by the mayor of Nashville.

00:16:08.000 The FBI was going to get involved.

00:16:09.000 Nothing.

00:16:10.000 Nothing ever came of it because we were right.

00:16:11.000 We protected our source.

00:16:13.000 If you have anything out there, lwctipsatprotonmail.com, we will go to jail to protect our sources.

00:16:19.000 If you have any information that you think shines a light on this or missing pieces of the puzzle, please send it to lwctipsatprotonmail.com and I'll have someone from undercover reach out.

00:16:29.000 I wonder if this is the most egregious murder-manhunt in Minnesota history, or if it was the largest manhunt because of the fact that they were elected officials of a select party.

00:16:42.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:16:43.000 I don't know about the selected party, but just officials, I think it would have happened if Republicans were in office.

00:16:47.000 Sure.

00:16:50.000 For their state, yeah.

00:16:51.000 I really do, especially if they...

00:16:54.000 I wonder if they put these resources to work if it's not an elected official that's being affected.

00:16:58.000 Maybe not.

00:16:59.000 Because political violence will not be tolerated, as opposed to non-political violence, which will be fully tolerated.

00:17:06.000 Sometimes encouraged.

00:17:08.000 across Minnesota and the United States, that political violence is never okay.

00:17:13.000 We as a country...

00:17:15.000 So condemn Black Lives Matter?

00:17:16.000 Are formed on the basis that we have political discourse and that we have debates ongoing on what we do and that we elect people day in, day out.

00:17:30.000 right?

00:17:30.000 Minneapolis, Was that the actual city where Kyle Rittenhouse?

00:17:35.000 Wisconsin.

00:17:36.000 Yeah, Kenosha, Wisconsin.

00:17:36.000 Oh, that was Wisconsin.

00:17:37.000 But there were big Minneapolis riots, obviously, is where it started, and then it spread to Kenosha, Wisconsin.

00:17:42.000 Minnesota is where, in Minneapolis, I think, suburbs, is where the police went through the streets telling people to get back on their porches.

00:17:49.000 Yeah, with paintball guns.

00:17:50.000 Started shooting at them with paintball guns.

00:17:52.000 Or not back on their porches, get back in their house.

00:17:54.000 Get off their porches. 0.94

00:17:58.000 Why is there not a terrorism charge is the question.

00:18:00.000 You know, we brought the charges that we think are appropriate right now.

00:18:03.000 Obviously, these crimes are...

00:18:08.000 I can't comment as to what other charges may or may not be brought in the future.

00:18:11.000 Will you seek the death penalty?

00:18:12.000 Will you seek the death penalty?

00:18:15.000 Oh, they do have one.

00:18:16.000 Thank you for the question.

00:18:17.000 Will we seek the death penalty?

00:18:18.000 It's too early to tell.

00:18:19.000 That is one of the options for several of the charges.

00:18:21.000 I think it should be.

00:18:21.000 Absolutely.

00:18:22.000 100%.

00:18:22.000 have any assistance?

00:18:24.000 Absolutely.

00:18:25.000 Looking into whether he may have had assistance.

00:18:26.000 And if he did, what are the potential consequences for anybody who may have assisted him either before or after these tragic shootings?

00:18:36.000 Our investigation remains ongoing in several areas, including whether or not we had anyone helping him.

00:18:42.000 I want to know what law enforcement was saying at the start of Minneapolis.

00:18:46.000 Mission Control, could you bring that up?

00:18:47.000 Because I remember them initially talking about, oh, okay, understanding it.

00:18:50.000 And I think there in Minnesota, too, they were kneeling with some protesters.

00:18:54.000 So political violence is never acceptable.

00:18:56.000 Minneapolis alone had many, many hundreds of millions of dollars of damages.

00:18:59.000 That was over $2 billion, and we stopped counting after that.

00:19:01.000 So I'm just curious if they've been very consistent with that.

00:19:05.000 I don't know the answer to that.

00:19:07.000 That was good timing.

00:19:08.000 That was a great timing.

00:19:09.000 The charges concurrent with the federal charges, how does that all work?

00:19:12.000 Does this, you know, make null the state charges or take precedence over the state?

00:19:18.000 It does not nullify the state charges.

00:19:21.000 They remain in place.

00:19:22.000 Today, he was brought into federal custody.

00:19:24.000 He'll make his initial court appearance in federal court over in St. Paul at 1.30 Central Time this afternoon.

00:19:31.000 And my expectation, based on prior cases, is the federal case, the federal charges will be litigated first.

00:19:37.000 But the state charges won't necessarily go anywhere.

00:19:39.000 Can you speak to him why investigators believe he carried out this attack and for how long have you been planning these attacks?

00:19:45.000 Well, it's pretty clear from the evidence that he's been planning these attacks for quite some time.

00:19:49.000 There's voluminous writings, as you've seen in the reporting, that were found both in his car and his house, about his planning, lists of names and individuals.

00:19:58.000 In terms of the why, it's unclear.

00:20:01.000 Is it cooperating with you?

00:20:03.000 Interaction with the New Hope police.

00:20:05.000 What had law enforcement been told at that point?

00:20:07.000 Were they aware to be on the lookout for a dark SUV?

00:20:09.000 Here's my problem.

00:20:14.000 We have heard from the manifesto the why that he was targeting, right, pro-choice legislators or providers, meaning they were very specific in including the quote.

00:20:23.000 They released that quote from the manifesto saying he was going after pro-abortion people.

00:20:28.000 So that circulated.

00:20:30.000 So, If we were to take that and just sort of say, okay, that's indicative of the entire manifesto, then it's clear.

00:20:36.000 This is a right-wing extremist.

00:20:38.000 That's what gives me pause.

00:20:39.000 They go, the why is unclear.

00:20:40.000 But what you did release, as far as snippets, created allegedly a clear picture.

00:20:48.000 This was a radical right-wing Christian extremist.

00:20:50.000 So how is it unclear?

00:20:52.000 And if it is completely unclear, why would you release a snippet?

00:20:58.000 Didn't we recently learn that voluminous writings in multiple places does not constitute a manifesto?

00:21:04.000 Right.

00:21:05.000 They changed the definition of manifesto live while we were on air, and that's entirely because of you, Mug Club Rumble Premium.

00:21:10.000 Well, this FBI guy did not say manifesto just now.

00:21:13.000 He said writings.

00:21:14.000 He did not.

00:21:14.000 He said writings left behind in his vehicle and his house.

00:21:17.000 Right.

00:21:17.000 But the local law enforcement officially said manifesto.

00:21:20.000 That's what it is.

00:21:21.000 So they say manifesto when it is about shooting abortion providers or advocates.

00:21:27.000 And it's only a quote.

00:21:28.000 But when it's all of the writings, the totality, like, you know, the Nashville shooter with all the plans and the motivation behind it, it's no longer a manifesto.

00:21:36.000 It's just a collection of writings.

00:21:37.000 Is it just me?

00:21:39.000 And again, I tried to go what people on the right are saying.

00:21:43.000 Here's their case for it.

00:21:44.000 I don't know.

00:21:45.000 But what I observe is this pattern of behavior from intelligence agencies.

00:21:50.000 There's something there that's making them uncomfortable.

00:21:53.000 And what is there is certainly not the fact that this guy was killing pro-abortion people because they released that quote.

00:21:59.000 Well, if we could definitely draw a link, that is definitely a clue.

00:22:02.000 And there was a third, a third target that was not home.

00:22:06.000 They were on vacation.

00:22:07.000 He's not.

00:22:09.000 He didn't do that much research if he didn't know that they were on vacation.

00:22:14.000 He did about as much research as the wet bandits. 1.00

00:22:16.000 Yeah, he just looked up their addresses online, which I think is publicly available for public officials.

00:22:21.000 Yes, it's not.

00:22:22.000 Who was, I can't remember the name.

00:22:25.000 He just gave a name, you have someone else.

00:22:27.000 Because if there's a link between that person and the other two victims.

00:22:30.000 What did he just say?

00:22:31.000 He talked about the other targets that he had.

00:22:33.000 Can we kind of aggregate those?

00:22:35.000 But again, the question is, why is it unclear?

00:22:37.000 The quote you released made it pretty clear.

00:22:39.000 It's the fodder that the left is using to say this guy was a right-wing extremist.

00:22:42.000 Now you just said there are a lot of writings and it's unclear.

00:22:45.000 Which would tell me that there's at least something that counterbalances the idea that he was just targeting Democrats.

00:22:52.000 Otherwise, there's no reason for lack of clarity.

00:22:54.000 That's a lot of names, too.

00:22:55.000 I don't know how many state legislators they have in Minnesota, but they said, you know, the initial report I saw earlier was 70. This guy just said 35 to 40 or something like that.

00:23:04.000 Other names.

00:23:05.000 Are there that many Democratic legislators in the state of Minnesota alone?

00:23:10.000 Yeah, there definitely are.

00:23:11.000 Definitely lean through.

00:23:11.000 At the state level.

00:23:13.000 At the state level, there are that many?

00:23:14.000 At the state level.

00:23:15.000 So that's what he was talking about.

00:23:16.000 So he wasn't saying the list was less than 70. Because it might be one of those things where he's just, like we said earlier, he's self-absorbed.

00:23:31.000 He's in his own world.

00:23:32.000 He's disgruntled.

00:23:33.000 He's something.

00:23:34.000 He just hates the system.

00:23:36.000 Maybe he's going after everybody.

00:23:37.000 Could be he worked for the state and he hates the way the state is run.

00:23:41.000 Right.

00:23:41.000 It is a democratically run state, so it would make sense that those are the top targets.

00:23:45.000 Right.

00:23:46.000 What were we about to say, Joe?

00:23:46.000 I was just about to say, there are a lot of things about this guy that we need to understand as the public so that we can form kind of an accurate picture of, okay, this is the kind of guy who did this.

00:23:54.000 By the way, they should be talking about, what do you do if a police officer, quote unquote, shows up at your house at 3.30 in the morning banging on the door?

00:24:01.000 Right.

00:24:02.000 Like, what is a good way to handle that situation?

00:24:05.000 Yeah.

00:24:05.000 You know?

00:24:06.000 Opening the door?

00:24:07.000 I'm sorry.

00:24:08.000 That's just not the first thing that I think of.

00:24:10.000 Y 'all gotta get cameras.

00:24:11.000 Talk to them through the ring camera.

00:24:13.000 Y 'all gotta get cameras.

00:24:15.000 Cameras or yell through the door.

00:24:16.000 Hey, can I see a badge?

00:24:17.000 You have to get cameras.

00:24:18.000 Something like that.

00:24:18.000 And by the way, these other guys, they saw the Hortmans, I think, if that's the name.

00:24:22.000 Sorry, I'm forgetting it right now.

00:24:23.000 The ones who were killed in the last altercation.

00:24:26.000 Yeah, Hortman.

00:24:27.000 Did they have a gun?

00:24:28.000 By chance?

00:24:28.000 I can tell you the last time I greeted a police officer at the door, I do have an alarm system that, by the way, notifies them right away, and we have the glass breaker stuff, and I told you we have two separate air units, and so the one bedroom door will suck shut if it's on and the other one isn't.

00:24:44.000 And you guys who work in HVAC, you know it's a positive pressure environment, negative pressure.

00:24:48.000 Anyway, sometimes that'll slam so loudly that it's been at least two or three times that the actual alarm goes off.

00:24:55.000 And this one time, it was in a matter of a minute.

00:24:58.000 Police at the door.

00:24:59.000 And I saw him.

00:25:01.000 I opened the door and, you know, did what I've told you.

00:25:03.000 I wedged it against my knee with my foot.

00:25:04.000 And I did have a firearm on my side because at this point I didn't know.

00:25:07.000 It was kind of chaos.

00:25:09.000 And he was at the door.

00:25:10.000 And I'm pretty sure he probably knew.

00:25:11.000 I said, yeah.

00:25:12.000 He said, hi, I'm just checking.

00:25:13.000 I said, well, usually you guys call.

00:25:15.000 He said, oh, yeah, you know what?

00:25:16.000 I'm sorry.

00:25:17.000 I said, I literally was down the block.

00:25:18.000 He goes, so I was right here.

00:25:20.000 So, yep, sorry.

00:25:20.000 Is everything okay?

00:25:21.000 I said, yeah, it's the glass breaker thing.

00:25:23.000 I don't know if we've had an issue with that.

00:25:25.000 He said, okay, thank you.

00:25:26.000 He wasn't upset at all that I didn't open it up for him.

00:25:29.000 He wasn't upset.

00:25:30.000 I think he got it.

00:25:32.000 I just happened to be right up the block.

00:25:34.000 I was literally right there.

00:25:36.000 I wanted to check on it.

00:25:37.000 Let me ask you this.

00:25:37.000 How far away from the door was he standing?

00:25:40.000 Probably about four feet.

00:25:44.000 Okay, yeah.

00:25:45.000 Because I've had the police come to my door for multiple reasons before.

00:25:49.000 Nothing my fault.

00:25:51.000 And every time they do, they always give themselves a little bit of distance.

00:25:54.000 I think it's maybe a safety thing.

00:25:55.000 I don't know if it's a policy thing, but it seems like it would be a thing for their safety to kind of step back and have a nice view.

00:26:01.000 But they're always at least a few feet away from the door.

00:26:05.000 He was an appropriate distance from the door.

00:26:06.000 Like if you have steps on your porch, they usually be standing on the step.

00:26:08.000 They'll knock and they'll stand back, put your hands on their belt or whatever.

00:26:11.000 Well, I literally saw him and I could see the police car with the name of the municipality.

00:26:16.000 In other words, I could identify what I always...

00:26:20.000 It wasn't just some lights on top of a 4Runner.

00:26:23.000 It was what appeared to be the local BDL stock.

00:26:25.000 Well, I think what this guy did, I think he put those...

00:26:31.000 Yeah.

00:26:31.000 Where they have the lights in the windshield?

00:26:33.000 Yeah.

00:26:33.000 That's what it sounds like he had, because I don't think he had it on top.

00:26:35.000 And I don't fully understand that because I thought that there were laws, and I think it depends on the state of situation, unmarked vehicles.

00:26:41.000 And I don't think unmarked vehicles are- Yeah.

00:26:46.000 Some states.

00:26:48.000 So basically, the contents of the hit list have been released.

00:26:52.000 Okay.

00:26:53.000 So this is the typed version that was distributed to law enforcement, not the original copy, apparently.

00:26:59.000 Okay.

00:26:59.000 And it apparently includes more than 60 Democrat leaders along with abortion clinics.

00:27:04.000 So I don't know that it gives us.

00:27:06.000 Is this all Democrats?

00:27:09.000 That seems to be the implication.

00:27:10.000 Or include 60 among...

00:27:14.000 I don't have that.

00:27:15.000 So, yeah.

00:27:15.000 So, Mission Control, if you guys want to...

00:27:23.000 Really quickly, here's just the article.

00:27:24.000 So the Minneapolis mayor talking about the George Floyd incident.

00:27:28.000 Oh, okay.

00:27:29.000 Because political violence is never, ever, ever acceptable.

00:27:32.000 Let's go back in time.

00:27:33.000 Well, this is not a video.

00:27:34.000 This is just a quote.

00:27:36.000 Oh, Minneapolis mayor saying, the anger is not only understandable, it's right.

00:27:40.000 What do you think that makes people think?

00:27:41.000 Ah, okay, as the riots were taking place.

00:27:43.000 Ah, got it.

00:27:44.000 Okay.

00:27:45.000 Mixed signals.

00:27:45.000 Let's see what they're saying right now.

00:27:47.000 We're recovered, but we're going to leave that to some of the prosecution as we work this out.

00:27:50.000 So we're not going to comment on all of it, as this is still continuing to be part of the active investigation.

00:27:54.000 We need to figure out exactly what all of this means in relation to this.

00:27:59.000 They're all dim.

00:27:59.000 Who's that guy?

00:28:00.000 DA, maybe?

00:28:01.000 Sam, confirm.

00:28:04.000 There will be an initial appearance in federal court over in St. Paul, Minnesota at 1.30 Central Time this afternoon.

00:28:11.000 I do not anticipate there will be an appearance in state court today.

00:28:14.000 Just one more question on the...

00:28:20.000 Was there more than 45?

00:28:23.000 There's lots of, I mean, go ahead.

00:28:24.000 I think it can help.

00:28:25.000 I mean, just there's a lot of names that we're working together right now.

00:28:28.000 So the FBI, there are some, and we've mentioned this, that there are some other names that are from out of state.

00:28:33.000 They have been working through our Fusion Center network across the United States, and then our partners at the FBI are helping coordinate with that in that process.

00:28:42.000 The question is a good one.

00:28:44.000 Part of what we're looking through, the names, the numbers that you're referencing, they are, was names in multiple notebooks.

00:28:50.000 Some of them are redundant.

00:28:51.000 I don't have a total number of people that were in there because some of them are overlapping on multiple lists.

00:28:58.000 And again, I do want to continue to clarify.

00:29:01.000 This is not a list of people that was in a numerical order and some sort of ranking.

00:29:05.000 These are names that are being developed as we are looking at this across multiple writings in terms of that, just to be clear about it.

00:29:12.000 Was Sarah Hoffman's name even in there, though?

00:29:15.000 I believe it was.

00:29:19.000 Right now, I think he's in the custody of the United States Marshal Service over at the St. Paul Federal Court House.

00:29:23.000 Okay, guys, put some eyes on this, so if anything happens that's of note, you guys can send us a clip as it continues.

00:29:28.000 Confirm what you guys have about the list, and let's take some chats, some questions on this, because I'll say, look, if it's a list of Democrats and abortion providers, I would lean toward this seems to be someone who was maybe more radical and insane and happened to have right-leaning views.

00:29:42.000 It's rare, but of course it does happen, just speaking from what I know right now.

00:29:47.000 I don't think we have the full picture, but that would be my guess if, in fact, the list is 100% Democrats and abortion providers.

00:29:54.000 Also could be trying to, you know, trying to throw you off the scent.

00:29:58.000 We've seen that in the past, too, where I've seen the Christchurch shooters say, I was radicalized by watching Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro, right?

00:30:04.000 And this was someone who literally wanted folks to suspect them.

00:30:06.000 We don't know.

00:30:07.000 Either way, so they're basically a lot of the accounts that we listed.

00:30:10.000 And by the way, when we had that montage up that had JoJo from Jersey and Brooklyn Dad and the Krasensteins, I was like, the four people I hate the most on X, all in one, other than the economic policies of Robert Reich, midget. 0.89

00:30:22.000 Basically, yeah, exactly.

00:30:24.000 Thank you very much for that one. 1.00

00:30:25.000 Bunch of losers. 0.97

00:30:27.000 Even if, let's say that this person, and for me, it really doesn't matter. 0.99

00:30:31.000 Obviously, I want to know what motivated the killings.

00:30:32.000 Was it just purely motivated by politics?

00:30:35.000 Okay, fine.

00:30:36.000 To say that this is Trump's fault, which is what those guys were trying to do, this is Trump's America, this is Trump, like, how?

00:30:42.000 How has Donald Trump advocated for killing political opponents?

00:30:46.000 Ever.

00:30:47.000 I just don't understand it.

00:30:51.000 This isn't like federal people where he's actually gotten into spats with some different federal legislators or something like that.

00:30:57.000 This is state legislators that he's probably never even heard of, right?

00:31:00.000 So it's really hard for you to draw that line from Donald Trump's policies and position and stance on stuff to, yeah, he's supporting people violently going after politicians they disagree with.

00:31:14.000 You can't draw that line.

00:31:15.000 Especially when they're inferring the abortion.

00:31:19.000 Yeah.

00:31:19.000 Element of it.

00:31:20.000 And Trump's views on abortion famously.

00:31:22.000 No, I know.

00:31:23.000 You're right.

00:31:24.000 Very moderate.

00:31:25.000 Very, very moderate.

00:31:26.000 Yeah.

00:31:26.000 Very moderate.

00:31:27.000 Also, the amount of abortion clinics, actual attacks, shootings, bombings, you can count pretty much on, let's say, both hands, which is unbelievably rare when you understand what a charged topic that is in comparison to the left and how many casualties and murders take place over police injustice over.

00:31:45.000 Also, it's much quicker to draw the line to.

00:31:48.000 The attempted assassination on Donald Trump.

00:31:50.000 This man is an existential threat to the country.

00:31:53.000 America is over if he is re-elected.

00:31:55.000 And someone going, I have to take out the one man who they say will destroy this country. 0.64

00:32:01.000 As a Nazi. 0.98

00:32:01.000 Yeah, as a Nazi. 0.98

00:32:02.000 That's different from Donald Trump happening to be a Republican and this person shooting people who seem to be Democrats in Minnesota.

00:32:10.000 I mean, every Christian I know, by the way, every single Christian, when an abortion issue happened, and there weren't that many, like you said, they made it seem like there were a lot, and when you go back and look at it, there were not that many incidents, hated it. 0.86

00:32:22.000 It's like, that's not how you fix this.

00:32:23.000 Maybe he got radicalized in Africa.

00:32:26.000 Maybe.

00:32:27.000 There you go.

00:32:27.000 The Outer Republican had a good post on it.

00:32:29.000 This was a guy who was very, very...

00:32:40.000 Anywhere he could get a stage.

00:32:42.000 Anywhere he could get attention and kind of kept failing.

00:32:44.000 And this was his last ditch.

00:32:46.000 I'm interested to see what they do in this investigation with his wife.

00:32:50.000 She's caught with passports and stuff.

00:32:52.000 Maybe she's trying to get away. 0.97

00:32:53.000 She may not have the clue, but then like, I gotta leave!

00:32:56.000 How do you do all this stuff?

00:32:57.000 I mean, there's no way I could install lights, a license plate.

00:33:02.000 Trick out this car.

00:33:04.000 Get a whole outfit.

00:33:06.000 A hyper-realistic mask?

00:33:07.000 A hyper-realistic mask?

00:33:09.000 You know?

00:33:10.000 And I'm not wearing it for her.

00:33:12.000 There's no way 3.30 in the morning, I'm not at home.

00:33:15.000 There's no way.

00:33:16.000 I can't go to an open mic without her going.

00:33:18.000 When are you coming home?

00:33:19.000 Yeah.

00:33:19.000 Was he staying with his friend?

00:33:21.000 Some of the confusion was like, okay, is he living at home on his property?

00:33:25.000 Because it looked like a fairly nice property.

00:33:27.000 What is that?

00:33:28.000 But also his friend who was his roommate?

00:33:30.000 That made no sense.

00:33:31.000 Last roommate?

00:33:32.000 He said he had been texting with him with like I think 45 minutes before the shooting or was it before he left that morning?

00:33:37.000 And he was saying so he had been communicating with him that he had already met with the police officers and was talking to the press and reading out texts.

00:33:42.000 Wait a second.

00:33:43.000 So you're communicating with the shooter that day and the police didn't confiscate your phone?

00:33:46.000 Yeah, there's so much and I'm not saying I have the I'm just saying there's so much that doesn't add up here.

00:33:52.000 But we do for sure have the one quote that he was going after abortion providers.

00:33:58.000 That's one thing they were very...

00:33:59.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:34:04.000 Let's grab some, because I know we've gone a little bit late.

00:34:06.000 Let's grab some chats.

00:34:07.000 I'm imagining there's quite a few chats on this, and lwctipsatprotonmail.com, if you have any information on this or any other events like this, because we're still tracking down some leads here behind the scenes.

00:34:18.000 And look, I'll tell you, most of them lead to dead ends, but every now and then you get Nashville, you get Jay Varma, the COVID architect, you get the DOJ and Donald Trump.

00:34:27.000 Stacking charges.

00:34:27.000 Yep, that's the reason that Donald Trump was eligible.

00:34:30.000 A lot of people say, and I would say this, Scott Pressler has a very strong case that he's the reason Donald Trump was elected.

00:34:36.000 Yeah.

00:34:36.000 He's a very, very strong case.

00:34:37.000 But a lot of people say, look how many views we have, and so we helped him get it.

00:34:41.000 Well, we've done that too, but we can actually say, we released the DOJ story.

00:34:46.000 The next day, they declared that Donald Trump would be eligible to run for president, that they would put off the hearing.

00:34:53.000 So we can say definitively that you guys helped apply pressure that paved the way for Donald Trump to become president, because otherwise, that doesn't happen.

00:35:00.000 So we do appreciate it.

00:35:01.000 Let's grab some chats.

00:35:02.000 Alright, first chat from Mike A. Patterson.

00:35:05.000 Do you think Tim Walz's rhetoric is at least partially to blame for the Minnesota shootings?

00:35:11.000 I'm trying to think of his rhetoric that would lead to shootings.

00:35:14.000 No, he just called Vance weird.

00:35:17.000 And, you know, he's obviously...

00:35:20.000 He's a gossip girl. 0.85

00:35:21.000 Yeah.

00:35:21.000 I'm not so sure that he's a...

00:35:24.000 He's a far, far left guy, don't get me wrong.

00:35:26.000 If it was rhetoric from Tim Walz, I would assume it would be rhetoric that would get a Republican killed?

00:35:32.000 Yeah.

00:35:33.000 It would get, you know, A police officer? 0.98

00:35:37.000 Well, unless it was because he's just such an oaf that it motivated someone to, you know, want to shoot people like him. 0.98

00:35:42.000 Yeah. 0.92

00:35:42.000 Also, Tim Walsh is on the list, so maybe it's something against him. 0.92

00:35:45.000 Well, that's what the reporter – I shouldn't have said that because that was what was said late last night or whatever.

00:35:52.000 But he could be.

00:35:53.000 It's possible, yeah.

00:35:54.000 Tim Walsh did appoint him.

00:35:55.000 It was in his own handwriting, though, so I'm not sure.

00:35:57.000 Well, as we take check, do we want to go to CNN and see exactly how they spin this in real time?

00:36:02.000 Let's see if they right away go to...

00:36:04.000 No, that's not Timmy.

00:36:05.000 Oh, I can't see my little screen.

00:36:05.000 You're looking at a tiny little monitor.

00:36:06.000 It's a different, very, very white guy.

00:36:08.000 Oh, I see not. 0.77

00:36:09.000 It's not an exaggeration to say that this is the stuff of nightmares.

00:36:15.000 This is something that this shooter was preparing for months.

00:36:20.000 There was a list of about 45 elected officials.

00:36:25.000 We learned for the first time here that it wasn't just the two houses in which he actually shot people.

00:36:31.000 There were two others that he visited.

00:36:34.000 And, you know, I'll let you take it from there, John.

00:36:37.000 But obviously, from a law enforcement perspective, read between the lines for us beyond the absolute jaw dropping shock and disgust about the way that this man was trying to take.

00:36:53.000 Or grab something in your chest.

00:36:54.000 I want to see when they go to a panel to see if it's balanced.

00:36:56.000 That's where they do their worst work, where they claim, oh, we covered it.

00:37:01.000 Well, the FBI was speaking.

00:37:02.000 And then when you bring on the panel, they weigh it down.

00:37:12.000 I think we need to avoid making the same mistake they make.

00:37:15.000 I think the case that Stephen just laid out on rhetoric causing potential harm and actually physical harm in this case of calling Donald Trump a Nazi and saying that he's a fascist and that we have to stop him by any means necessary.

00:37:27.000 I think that is a very clear, direct line to, okay, this is part of the problem.

00:37:33.000 Sure.

00:37:33.000 Saying that, you know, having rhetoric against opponents, like we don't like their ideology, we think they're crazy, we think of this, we think they're anti this, that is much more murky.

00:37:42.000 I don't want to get into that.

00:37:43.000 Because that, you can then use it for every single case out there, and if you're going to do that, it needs to be very, very clear, because we're not trying to silence people voicing their opinions about, listen, I want the left to be able to talk, too.

00:37:55.000 I don't agree with what they have to say about these things, but I want them to be able to do it, as long as they don't violate any laws.

00:37:59.000 Well, I can tell you exactly, to change my mind, where we used to sit down, people would sit down, and most of them were very productive conversations, and then there were several instances where people said, he's a Nazi, he's this, and the crowd got out of control, and I've had people, I've been punched in the face.

00:38:13.000 on national television, someone tried to hit me over the head with a rock.

00:38:15.000 So I can tell you that when people go, he's a Nazi, I've seen it.

00:38:26.000 I've been there.

00:38:27.000 I've experienced it.

00:38:28.000 That's very different from people sitting there discussing ideas, no matter how charged it is.

00:38:31.000 I can tell you I've lived it firsthand, and Donald Trump went through the latter for his entire presidency, post-presidency, and, well, third presidential run. 0.97

00:38:41.000 Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, fascist existential threat wants to commit genocide against trans people.

00:38:47.000 I can tell you firsthand that that leads to a very different outcome than people sitting down and even airing their grievances passionately. 0.97

00:38:54.000 Let's go to the next chat.

00:38:55.000 All right.

00:38:55.000 I've got multiple people asking basically the same question, but Pedro, the Mexican 15 asks question for the crew.

00:39:01.000 Do you think the far left have gone so insane that they're committing murders in a way that looks like MAGA to damage Trump's image?

00:39:08.000 Is this the way the far left martyr themselves?

00:39:10.000 That has happened.

00:39:12.000 If people remember, if you can bring up the Christchurch shooting, that was one where it was...

00:39:24.000 That's a very bizarre list.

00:39:25.000 If I'm mistaken, let me know, but please bring it up.

00:39:27.000 I think it was the Christchurch shooting in New Zealand, if I'm not mistaken.

00:39:30.000 I think you're right.

00:39:31.000 There were a couple of examples of that.

00:39:33.000 I remember them misidentifying Dylan Roof as a radical right-wing extremist, and then I think the El Paso shooting, which turned out not to be the case.

00:39:40.000 So that's misidentifying.

00:39:42.000 Would the left do it?

00:39:43.000 Sure, I wouldn't put it past them.

00:39:47.000 Is this an example of that?

00:39:49.000 I don't know.

00:39:50.000 I would hold that as the exception, not the rule, because yes, it has happened before, but only take that as a given when you can prove it.

00:39:58.000 Because otherwise, everything to you is going to be a false flag.

00:40:00.000 And that's a very dangerous place to live, man.

00:40:02.000 Yes, it is.

00:40:04.000 And it's very difficult to prove.

00:40:05.000 Yeah, it is.

00:40:06.000 Unless it's definitive where they can cross-reference, oh.

00:40:09.000 A manifesto that flies in the face of what we actually saw through his online activity, etc.

00:40:15.000 Alright, so another chat, and let me know as that information comes in.

00:40:19.000 Next chat from Hedo420.

00:40:22.000 Didn't those shot vote against their own party, the lone Democrats to side with Republicans on a bill in the state Senate?

00:40:28.000 Well, that's what I just told you about the one representative who voted against, who voted for, I believe, the bill.

00:40:33.000 Hortman.

00:40:35.000 It was just the one, though, and you visited four homes.

00:40:37.000 Yeah, I think it was just the one.

00:40:39.000 And Mission Control, let me know, because I had read, too, that the two initial Democrats were shot were two lone holdouts, and I don't believe that that's true.

00:40:48.000 I believe it was only one.

00:40:49.000 I've only heard one now.

00:40:50.000 Yeah.

00:40:51.000 Initially, I heard the same thing.

00:40:52.000 Because there was a lot of fake news on purpose.

00:40:54.000 And she was like, you know, she was scared of her vote.

00:40:56.000 No, she obviously seemed at the time to be genuinely upset that they couldn't get the budget bill through because that comment she made at the end, we tried to get a version of this bill that didn't have that provision in it, but we couldn't get it done.

00:41:08.000 Meaning she didn't want to have the provision that illegals get booted off of, I believe it was Medicaid or Social Security or whatever it was.

00:41:14.000 Some kind of state.

00:41:14.000 So the left wants them to receive all the free stuff, and she broke with her party.

00:41:18.000 So I know Hortman was the one.

00:41:24.000 Could it be?

00:41:25.000 Sure.

00:41:26.000 If, again, assuming this is true, the totality of a bunch of abortion providers and then a bunch of legislators who are Democrats, then that wouldn't really hold water.

00:41:37.000 So let's not just cling to one piece of evidence and go, see, this clearly proves because there are people on the right who are doing that both with Iran and Israel and with this situation.

00:41:46.000 My thing right away is I go, it's not your fault for not trusting them.

00:41:51.000 I'll make that really clear.

00:41:52.000 It's not your fault for not trusting them at all.

00:41:54.000 I get it.

00:41:55.000 Neither do I. But I have just as much mistrust for a lot of people in media who have clearly...

00:42:03.000 And no one is perfect.

00:42:04.000 Everyone makes mistakes.

00:42:04.000 But when people routinely peddle false information and don't retract, don't apologize, just move on to the next one, you go, okay, all right.

00:42:11.000 Speaking of which, so this is enemy attestation, essentially.

00:42:14.000 So Taylor Lorenz actually wrote an article about this, that the shooter's manifesto was designed to troll.

00:42:18.000 So if Taylor Lorenz, you know, is writing an article saying, hey, hey, hey, guys, don't blame the right.

00:42:23.000 This was a troll because I guess this person blamed us.

00:42:27.000 Spear of the Dragon 3 and all, Spyro, whatever.

00:42:30.000 Oh, I remember Sparrow the Dragon.

00:42:31.000 And Fortnite for it as well.

00:42:33.000 So it's like, okay, well...

00:42:36.000 Yeah, guys, it wasn't me.

00:42:37.000 It was video games.

00:42:38.000 It was my parents weren't around.

00:42:39.000 It was the Jews. 0.99

00:42:40.000 It was Ben Shapiro.

00:42:41.000 Wait a minute.

00:42:41.000 It was Candace Owens.

00:42:42.000 Wait a minute, it was, you know, just, What are you looking for?

00:42:46.000 Jewels?

00:42:47.000 And how does Taylor Lorenz have access to this?

00:42:49.000 What has Taylor Lorenz seen that the public hasn't seen?

00:42:51.000 No, this is from the previous...

00:42:53.000 Oh, Christchurch.

00:42:54.000 Oh, sorry.

00:42:55.000 I thought we were talking about this.

00:42:55.000 So that was enemy attestation.

00:42:57.000 Basically, somebody who would never say that is like, hey, guys, that's a troll. 0.92

00:43:00.000 Yeah, it's clearly a troll. 0.63

00:43:01.000 Yeah.

00:43:01.000 Yeah, with Christchurch.

00:43:02.000 So I don't know if that's the case here.

00:43:06.000 Could be.

00:43:06.000 But again, when they say...

00:43:09.000 Oh, by the way, abortion clinics.

00:43:14.000 Why?

00:43:14.000 Okay.

00:43:15.000 CNN panel.

00:43:15.000 Let's see what they do here right now.

00:43:17.000 With the same amount of information, likely less, that we have.

00:43:20.000 That's right.

00:43:20.000 All the folks that he was targeting were Democrats.

00:43:24.000 This was political violence.

00:43:26.000 One of the gentlemen up there said that political violence in this country is rare.

00:43:30.000 It is not rare.

00:43:31.000 We agree on that.

00:43:32.000 We have seen this happen time and time again.

00:43:34.000 Four presidents have been assassinated.

00:43:35.000 There was obviously the attempted assassination on President Trump as he was running, Nancy Pelosi's husband, Gabby Giffords.

00:43:42.000 The list goes on and on.

00:43:43.000 Josh Shapiro more recently.

00:43:45.000 Say Gretchen Whitmer. 1.00

00:43:46.000 It was the arson situation in his residence.

00:43:49.000 So this is part of our culture.

00:43:52.000 It is part of our history.

00:43:53.000 Guy's just mad he doesn't have a chin.

00:43:54.000 And it's terrible.

00:43:55.000 I think what is different is that we do have social media.

00:43:59.000 We do have artificial intelligence.

00:44:02.000 We do have misinformation.

00:44:04.000 And quite frankly, we have a president who often laughs at political violence, right?

00:44:09.000 What?

00:44:09.000 There's a punchline oftentimes.

00:44:11.000 Someone punched in the face at a rally for swearing and being disruptive?

00:44:14.000 So that is an increase.

00:44:16.000 It's the same as assassination like this?

00:44:18.000 Didn't he laugh at Pelosi?

00:44:19.000 He laughed at Pelosi's husband.

00:44:21.000 There was like a joke about it.

00:44:23.000 That wasn't political violence that I remember.

00:44:24.000 It was crazy.

00:44:25.000 It was that they were in their underwear and it was weird and seemed like a lover's name.

00:44:30.000 We know that Minnesota, just what was happening at this time, Minnesota is a...

00:44:36.000 A divided state, without question.

00:44:38.000 And in the legislature, it was perfectly divided in the House of Representatives.

00:44:42.000 And Melissa Hortman, who lost her life, she entered into a power-sharing agreement with the Republican leaders to get things done.

00:44:50.000 But she was a very, very visible Democrat in Minnesota.

00:44:54.000 And the officials there, Joe Thompson, the acting U.S. attorney, said that this had been plotted for months.

00:45:00.000 Well, as this occurred...

00:45:07.000 Okay, I just need to interrupt because we have other big news happening as we were listening to that out of Minnesota.

00:45:12.000 Israel is identifying incoming missiles from Iran and there are sirens being activated in northern Israel.

00:45:22.000 Civilians have been advised to seek shelter and defense systems are working to intercept.

00:45:29.000 Projectiles.

00:45:29.000 That is according to the military there.

00:45:32.000 We're going to get one of our colleagues up there, Jamie, as we get this.

00:45:38.000 Just imagine being a citizen in Israel.

00:45:41.000 The constant sirens.

00:45:43.000 All right, take shelter.

00:45:44.000 Some more missiles.

00:45:45.000 One day it's Hamas. 0.98

00:45:46.000 One day it's Hezbollah. 1.00

00:45:47.000 One day it's Iran. 0.99

00:45:49.000 Just think about that.

00:45:50.000 What a way to live.

00:45:52.000 It is.

00:45:52.000 And so I want to be kind of...

00:45:56.000 They have to know that this is coming.

00:45:58.000 Of course.

00:45:59.000 They are, in my eyes, they are rightfully the aggressor in this specific round of attacks.

00:46:06.000 Sure.

00:46:07.000 I do agree with your take that they are in response to previous attacks.

00:46:10.000 It's also in response, like I said, to all of the attacks from the groups that are funded by Iran to attack Israel at all times. 0.57

00:46:16.000 I get it.

00:46:16.000 I have sympathy for them.

00:46:18.000 I have sympathy for the people of Iran having to deal with this right now, whose leadership is making terrible decisions.

00:46:23.000 The difference that I am seeing so far, and people are like, whoa, what about Gaza?

00:46:26.000 Let's put Gaza on the side burner for just a second. 0.81

00:46:29.000 Israel seems to be striking military targets or infrastructure targets or related.

00:46:34.000 So state media, potentially they could have seen that as a military target to strike the capabilities there.

00:46:39.000 I don't know exactly what the rationale is.

00:46:41.000 It seems like Iran is just like lobbing stuff into downtown Tel Aviv and just hoping they get lucky. 1.00

00:46:46.000 I don't really think they have the capabilities to anything else.

00:46:48.000 And so the one side is actually going after civilians.

00:46:52.000 Right.

00:46:53.000 And one side is not.

00:46:54.000 And people came out and made the most...

00:47:00.000 It's like, see?

00:47:01.000 Israel's using their citizens as human shields. 0.57

00:47:03.000 Where is the Iron Dome firing from?

00:47:04.000 I'm like, you mean missile systems designed to intercept missiles so that they don't get hit?

00:47:09.000 Where do you think you put them?

00:47:10.000 Do you put them in the countryside?

00:47:11.000 Yeah.

00:47:12.000 Randomly?

00:47:12.000 To protect the population.

00:47:15.000 You know, it doesn't make any sense at all.

00:47:16.000 And it's like, they're not offensive weapons.

00:47:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:18.000 Morons. 1.00

00:47:19.000 So I do have a lot of sympathy for the people in Israel right now because I think even though they knew that they had to go do this. 1.00

00:47:25.000 There's still going to be a cost.

00:47:26.000 Of course.

00:47:27.000 And so every one of them go in and think about this.

00:47:29.000 And I would also take it one step further and say, I understand.

00:47:31.000 I get what they would want to step around down quite a bit.

00:47:36.000 I understand it.

00:47:37.000 I think that there can certainly be a case to be made, and they've made a pretty good one.

00:47:42.000 I don't want them to show incoming missiles and then say, America, help us.

00:47:46.000 Yes.

00:47:47.000 And I think that's a concern that people have, and I think that's a legitimate concern.

00:47:50.000 Now, and I want to bring this up because we've actually been reaching out to Dave Smith to have him come on the show and be able to explain some of his views.

00:47:58.000 But apparently he's gone a little bit off the deep end with his views as it relates to this crisis.

00:48:04.000 What?

00:48:10.000 It was in 2007 that the Pentagon told George W. Bush that we cannot go to war with Iran because we do not have escalation dominance against them, essentially meaning that they can hit all of our bases and embassies in the region, and we are very vulnerable to them.

00:48:27.000 And we've already seen demonstrated since the Israeli attack that the Iranian missiles that they sent last year toward Israel, as many of us guessed, that wasn't really their best.

00:48:38.000 They were intentionally making an attack that wouldn't really hurt anybody, that wouldn't really lead to a war, which Iran has done over and over again. 0.93

00:48:45.000 But now we've pushed them to the point where they probably don't feel that they have the option not to respond.

00:48:50.000 Donald Trump telling them to come back to the negotiating table now is a joke.

00:48:55.000 I mean, what a what an impotent leader to be sitting there talking about coming back to the negotiating table.

00:49:01.000 It's like sitting after Pearl Harbor and telling FDR now is the time to go negotiate with the Japanese. 0.90

00:49:06.000 Negotiations are over now.

00:49:09.000 was before this.

00:49:11.000 And so, yeah, Donald Trump...

00:49:13.000 Can he pause this?

00:49:14.000 They were attempting negotiations before this, to be clear.

00:49:17.000 There were treaties.

00:49:18.000 And that's why pallets of cash were sent and billions of dollars unfrozen.

00:49:22.000 I believe that the When he says, look, and I think Dave Smith is a sharp guy, and he's writing on a lot.

00:49:35.000 Yeah, me too.

00:49:36.000 He's basically saying, like, oh, okay, this was sort of a fake-out to make you think they were playing possum.

00:49:40.000 Well, then why would there be six waves with 200 missiles on Friday and Saturday and only 35 or 40 since then?

00:49:46.000 Just two waves.

00:49:47.000 In other words, so they're doing it now?

00:49:50.000 So they launched those impotent, to use his word, attacks against Israel last, I believe, October and April.

00:49:56.000 And then they launched their real attack, you know, over 200 missiles over the course of six waves.

00:50:01.000 And now it's down to 35, 40. Are they playing possum again?

00:50:06.000 That's important because that's the point where Donald Trump goes, they probably should negotiate.

00:50:10.000 When it seems pretty clear that they've gone from 200 missiles launched to 35 in the span of a day.

00:50:16.000 You know, someone is more likely to negotiate if they're in a weakened state.

00:50:19.000 So I don't understand his...

00:50:21.000 my opinion based on what I see is the exact opposite.

00:50:27.000 We definitely don't want to go to war on that.

00:50:29.000 People like Dave Smith and I agree.

00:50:30.000 We do not want to be going to war with Iran.

00:50:32.000 Correct.

00:50:42.000 He should say nothing?

00:50:45.000 I don't understand.

00:50:46.000 If we don't want to go to war, wouldn't encouraging them to come to the negotiating table right now be most conducive to avoiding a war?

00:50:54.000 And I really could.

00:50:56.000 I could be missing something.

00:50:58.000 Maybe he sheds a light on that.

00:51:00.000 Can we continue?

00:51:00.000 Hold on.

00:51:00.000 I just want to address this because I saw Dave Smith lauding With praise, this guy who made the Pearl Harbor argument, unless I'm misunderstanding it, and listen, I'll leave some room for that, it makes no sense to me whatsoever because you're basically saying that the Israelis are the Japanese and that the United States is Iran.

00:51:18.000 And you're saying that the Japanese attacked the United States like Israel attacked Iran.

00:51:23.000 Would we have, after Pearl Harbor, said, no, no, no, let's negotiate this out?

00:51:26.000 No, we went full force and we went after Japan, right? 0.99

00:51:29.000 And we entered a war.

00:51:30.000 Did we send...

00:51:37.000 Dozens and dozens of times?

00:51:38.000 Did we support every single group around them that hated them and give them rockets and cash and training to be able to attack them? 0.99

00:51:44.000 That kind of comparison is idiotic, if that is the basis of it, and I'm not understanding some point of it. 0.87

00:51:51.000 If that's what I'm hearing as a brilliant point to bring up, No, no, I do think the United States launched 180 ballistic missiles at Japan before Pearl Harbor. 0.99

00:52:01.000 Did we?

00:52:01.000 And in two separate attacks.

00:52:02.000 Another, was it 30 cruise missiles and dozens of drones?

00:52:06.000 Obviously we didn't have drones. 0.60

00:52:08.000 But I think we did that before Pearl Harbor.

00:52:10.000 FDR also famously kept calling for the annihilation of Japan.

00:52:14.000 Yeah, we always said those Japanese. 0.99

00:52:17.000 Death to Japan, death to Manchuria. 1.00

00:52:19.000 It was like, it was kind of like the players.

00:52:21.000 Yeah, it's true.

00:52:23.000 Anyway.

00:52:23.000 That's true.

00:52:24.000 Let's continue watching.

00:52:25.000 And again, maybe there is something that I'm missing.

00:52:27.000 I want Dave to come on.

00:52:28.000 I want him to come on.

00:52:28.000 I really, yeah.

00:52:29.000 I think that Dave Smith is, I believe what I'm hearing right now is an incorrect assessment.

00:52:35.000 Right.

00:52:36.000 But I think he's a thoughtful guy.

00:52:37.000 I just want to be clear.

00:52:38.000 Because right now in the air, everyone's going like, start drama!

00:52:40.000 I don't want to say Dave Smith's a bad guy.

00:52:41.000 That's not what I'm saying.

00:52:42.000 What I'm watching is not computing with the data that I have available to me right now.

00:52:47.000 Maybe we're missing some.

00:52:48.000 Can we continue the video, please?

00:52:49.000 I supported him this last year.

00:52:52.000 I apologize for doing so.

00:52:53.000 It was a bad calculation.

00:52:54.000 At the time, it seemed like the right one.

00:52:56.000 But he should be impeached and removed for this one. 0.96

00:52:59.000 And not on some ridiculous Nancy Pelosi. 1.00

00:53:03.000 Of course, the Congress will never do it because they're all a bunch of corrupt hacks. 0.99

00:53:07.000 This is the one thing they support. 0.91

00:53:10.000 Donald Trump should be impeached and removed for this.

00:53:12.000 All of his supporters should turn on him.

00:53:14.000 It's the absolute betrayal of everything that he ran and campaigned on and everything that he stood for.

00:53:19.000 And I will say, despite the fact that Donald Trump supporters have been labeled like a cult following, and that certainly is true for a percentage of his supporters, he is going to lose his coalition over this.

00:53:33.000 Over what?

00:53:34.000 I don't just speak for myself.

00:53:36.000 So I think maybe, pause, I think maybe what Dave Smith is saying is the only acceptable response from Donald Trump, and maybe there's a case that he made, is a total and utter condemnation of Israel.

00:53:45.000 I think that might be what he's saying.

00:53:47.000 He's saying, so if I'm following all of this correctly from what I've seen, and I follow Dave Smith to try to understand where he's coming from, because I think he's a smart guy, and I think he makes some really good points, and I think he says stuff in a way that people can kind of hold on to and understand, and that's very helpful, especially if he's deconstructing an argument correctly.

00:54:02.000 In this case, I don't think he is.

00:54:03.000 He's saying that the President of the United States could have made it to where this didn't happen.

00:54:08.000 This is Israel dragging us into yet another war in the Middle East and Donald Trump is complicit and knows about it.

00:54:14.000 It isn't doing anything to stop it.

00:54:16.000 He should lose his coalition.

00:54:17.000 He's going to drag us into another Middle East war and it's going to rob us of men and fortune. 1.00

00:54:21.000 Just like it did for the last 20 odd years.

00:54:24.000 Right.

00:54:25.000 That's, I think his point right now and why he's being so forwarded.

00:54:29.000 And it was like, you're assuming a lot with that statement.

00:54:32.000 Yeah.

00:54:33.000 You're assuming that we get dragged into a full-scale war.

00:54:35.000 You're assuming there ends up being a full-scale war.

00:54:37.000 You're assuming that we don't just do a show of force, essentially, and send some ships over there like we did the last time this stuff started happening, by the way.

00:54:44.000 It's not the only time we've done this.

00:54:46.000 Right.

00:54:46.000 And we didn't end up in a war then when we were shooting down missiles for them back in October to make sure that they didn't get hit.

00:54:52.000 It wasn't a full-scale war.

00:54:54.000 It's off the deep end with him.

00:54:57.000 And other people that I'm not going to name, but you know them, they're all over the place.

00:55:00.000 And it's like, you're assuming a whole lot right now.

00:55:02.000 Now, if that does turn out to be the case, fine.

00:55:05.000 I'll come back and say you're right.

00:55:07.000 I just don't see it.

00:55:08.000 Here's the approach that I see from Donald Trump.

00:55:11.000 This is what I've seen is him saying, hey, Iran needs to, you guys got to come to the table.

00:55:15.000 You guys got to negotiate this.

00:55:16.000 He's openly, he campaigned on the Iran nuclear deal from Barack Obama being an awful, awful deal that made no sense.

00:55:22.000 He's always said that Iran must not be allowed to get a nuke, right?

00:55:24.000 This is not new.

00:55:25.000 This is not new to his supporters.

00:55:27.000 He's also largely, to use a term, I certainly wouldn't say isolationist, not even non-interventionist.

00:55:33.000 He prefers diplomatic measures and negotiation before war.

00:55:39.000 So we hold those two things out.

00:55:41.000 People know that about Donald Trump.

00:55:42.000 All the while, Israel has been saying, we need to deal with Iran because of the biggest funders of terrorism, because they have talked about wiping out Israel.

00:55:50.000 You know, as an official position of their government, because they're developing nuclear capabilities, and then, of course, because they have attacked Israel repeatedly, where they've been saying, something's got to happen, something's got to happen, they've got to come to the table.

00:56:02.000 These are small attacks, but imagine if they have nukes.

00:56:05.000 And Donald Trump, take Israel off to the side, has been saying, Iran, you need to come to the negotiating table, period.

00:56:11.000 Then Israel responded, now. 0.69

00:56:14.000 And Donald Trump said, see?

00:56:15.000 I think it'd probably be a good idea for everybody if you come to the table.

00:56:20.000 That's how I see this playing out right now in real time.

00:56:23.000 And Donald Trump saying, we're not going to go to war, but looks like Israel has it pretty handled. 0.77

00:56:27.000 Iran, do you want to keep going down this path? 0.99

00:56:30.000 The only alternative, barring us getting into war, which I would agree with Dave Smith, hope absolutely doesn't happen.

00:56:36.000 I guess the only acceptable alternative would be for Donald Trump to condemn Israel and portray this as an out-of-the-blue attack as opposed to a response.

00:56:48.000 We're no longer friends with Israel. 0.99

00:56:50.000 They're an evil, corrupt nation. 0.96

00:56:51.000 I don't know at this point in time what Donald Trump could do right now. 0.72

00:56:58.000 It's June 16th at 1 p.m.

00:57:02.000 Eastern.

00:57:02.000 I don't know what Donald Trump could do that would be, I guess, more in line with how his voters expected him to react than...

00:57:13.000 We're not going to get involved.

00:57:15.000 Iran, don't touch our guys because you don't want what we bring. 1.00

00:57:18.000 But, seems like Iran's going to be, seems like Israel's going to be cleaning your clock, Iran. 0.94

00:57:22.000 So I would, I would probably, I'd probably pick up the phone.

00:57:26.000 Yeah, of course.

00:57:27.000 I don't get why that's an impeachable offense.

00:57:29.000 When was this video made?

00:57:30.000 This video, I believe, was from today.

00:57:32.000 Research, let me know.

00:57:34.000 10-04 AM.

00:57:35.000 Okay.

00:57:36.000 Just to make sure.

00:57:45.000 They said that Iraq didn't have nukes.

00:57:47.000 Yeah, exactly, right?

00:57:49.000 And that they're at 60%.

00:57:50.000 Dave, are you willing to take the chance?

00:57:53.000 So let's just say, what's your alternative?

00:57:55.000 I know you're completely anti-war just about in every situation, and look, I wish that I lived in a world where that was the case. 1.00

00:58:00.000 It's not.

00:58:00.000 Unfortunately, we live in a very dangerous world where war happens.

00:58:04.000 I wish it didn't.

00:58:05.000 It does. 0.98

00:58:05.000 It sucks when it does. 0.98

00:58:07.000 Are you for leaving Iran alone to potentially develop nuclear weapons with the kind of track record that that regime has? 0.95

00:58:14.000 I'm not sure that they would necessarily use it against Israel.

00:58:16.000 I think that would be target numero uno behind us, potentially.

00:58:19.000 I'm worried about how safe that material would be.

00:58:23.000 I'm worried about somebody else getting their hands on it.

00:58:25.000 I'm worried about the potential for these guys to then come to the negotiating table, just like a North Korea or a Libya. 0.76

00:58:32.000 They really don't.

00:58:33.000 They gave up their weapons.

00:58:34.000 That was a problem.

00:58:35.000 Nobody's going to do it anymore.

00:58:36.000 This does bring us to something that a lot of people don't want to acknowledge.

00:58:40.000 And is true. 0.90

00:58:41.000 And by the way, the Israeli government, I absolutely think, is incredibly corrupt in a lot of ways.

00:58:46.000 Yes.

00:58:47.000 And they have way too much influence in the United States.

00:58:49.000 They have way too much influence.

00:58:50.000 I hate AIPAC.

00:58:51.000 You guys know I hate AIPAC for the same reason that I hate Act Blue, because I get to Hakeem Jeffries.

00:58:54.000 But, let's ask a question.

00:58:57.000 Should Iran have nukes?

00:58:59.000 Okay?

00:58:59.000 Should Iran have nuclear capabilities?

00:59:01.000 No.

00:59:01.000 Is that a good thing?

00:59:02.000 I think, I would hope the answer is no.

00:59:04.000 Now, some libertarians are like, well, we have no right to say, but we always have, okay?

00:59:09.000 There have always been concerns about certain countries.

00:59:12.000 You drop the first bomb, you get to do that.

00:59:13.000 Right.

00:59:13.000 Yeah.

00:59:14.000 So, should Iran have nukes?

00:59:16.000 No.

00:59:16.000 Okay.

00:59:18.000 What's going to stop them from getting to having nuclear capabilities?

00:59:23.000 I'm choosing my words very carefully.

00:59:25.000 All right.

00:59:26.000 Negotiations haven't worked.

00:59:28.000 Sanctions haven't worked.

00:59:30.000 Inspections haven't worked.

00:59:31.000 Inspections haven't worked.

00:59:32.000 Okay.

00:59:33.000 So, how do you stop it?

00:59:36.000 Alright, that does mean there's going to at some point be an intervening force. 0.96

00:59:40.000 And this is kind of the one, and I know people say Israel is not our ally because of all their crap, and I get all that crap, but do you want that force to be the United States? 0.92

00:59:50.000 Or is there, are there some pros to that force being Israel and not the United States? 0.98

00:59:56.000 Because who else would step in?

00:59:58.000 Would it be any other of the Gulf states?

01:00:01.000 Who else is going to stop Iran from getting to nuclear capabilities? 0.69

01:00:07.000 Either the United States or Israel. 0.88

01:00:08.000 And that's a big reason why we often find ourselves allied.

01:00:11.000 Even though we don't share the same interests on a lot of issues.

01:00:15.000 But do we have the same vested interests where we say, hey, we probably don't want Iran to have nukes?

01:00:20.000 And Israel says, we really don't want Iran to have nukes?

01:00:25.000 So you have to ask, okay, That's why there's an alliance.

01:00:28.000 Not because of AIPAC, and not because of all the other reasons that you read online, and it doesn't mean that we should be allied with them, certainly on issues that relate to domestic policy.

01:00:39.000 Of course not.

01:00:41.000 Should Iran have nukes?

01:00:42.000 Do we want them to have nuclear capabilities?

01:00:43.000 No.

01:00:43.000 Okay.

01:00:44.000 Does Israel have a case to make in response to all the missiles being fired?

01:00:49.000 Okay, yeah, they do.

01:00:50.000 Right now, at this point in time, does Israel have air superiority?

01:00:54.000 Yes, they do.

01:00:54.000 Are these other nations China?

01:00:56.000 Russia, Gulf states, even Hezbollah saying, we're not coming to help you, Iran.

01:01:01.000 You're on your own.

01:01:02.000 Pretty much, from all the evidence that we have, has Donald Trump made it pretty clear, hey, Israel, wish you the best, but we're not getting in unless our guys are attacked?

01:01:09.000 Pretty much.

01:01:09.000 So that's where we find ourselves.

01:01:11.000 So, it seems like right now, these two are facing off.

01:01:14.000 Israel has the upper hand, and they have an upper hand against someone who we, ideally, would not like to have nuclear capabilities. 0.95

01:01:20.000 At that point, the President of the United States says what?

01:01:25.000 Well, what he did say was, if I were you, I'd probably start negotiating and create some stability there.

01:01:33.000 I'm going to tell you, I don't have a problem with that.

01:01:36.000 And I certainly don't think it's an impeachable offense.

01:01:39.000 Does all of that make sense?

01:01:41.000 That's me walking through the scenario, but I could be missing something.

01:01:44.000 I think the only other alternative is, Israel, stop! 1.00

01:01:47.000 But then we get back to, okay, do we want Iran to continue on the same path to developing nuclear capabilities?

01:01:52.000 So is that the request?

01:01:54.000 That he goes, Israel, enough! 1.00

01:01:56.000 We're no longer your friends.

01:01:57.000 I don't know how this...

01:02:02.000 Even for people who don't believe in intervening in foreign affairs.

01:02:04.000 I don't know if you have another update or...

01:02:10.000 Impeaching him and he's going to lose everybody over this?

01:02:13.000 We're not there.

01:02:13.000 We're just not there.

01:02:14.000 You're assuming so much, meaning Dave.

01:02:16.000 He's assuming so much.

01:02:19.000 That isn't actually happening right now.

01:02:21.000 So Netanyahu actually does. 0.57

01:02:23.000 I think a case could be made if Donald Trump said, by the way, we're putting boots on the ground and we're going in and we are going to be putting our military forces in with Israel.

01:02:31.000 That would be something unexpected from his supporters.

01:02:34.000 Right.

01:02:34.000 I don't think there's anything less expected of Donald Trump than in the face of conflict.

01:02:42.000 Practicing the art of the deal.

01:02:44.000 It's almost like he wrote a book about it.

01:02:45.000 Well, listen, last time around, he actually struck Iran by taking out one of their senior military commanders.

01:02:52.000 Like, this is not like it's outside of the...

01:02:57.000 We haven't gone as far as that.

01:02:59.000 I mean, did you write him off then?

01:03:00.000 Like, I understand if we're saying, hey, we're going to go in and, you know, like, just like we did in Iraq and just like we did in Afghanistan, we're going to send a bunch of people over there and we're going to try to bring democracy to Iran.

01:03:08.000 Okay, that's a different story.

01:03:10.000 Because it didn't work then and it won't work now.

01:03:12.000 So, yeah, I would be pissed off too.

01:03:13.000 I'd be marching in the streets if we started another war in the Middle East.

01:03:16.000 Got it.

01:03:16.000 To me, it sounds a lot like, is this what you voted for, Trump voters?

01:03:21.000 Negotiations?

01:03:22.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:03:23.000 Now, by the way, things could get very spicy because the way Netanyahu phrases this, and listen to how I phrase it, because I'll read what he wrote, what he told the reporter for ABC.

01:03:32.000 So I'm going to read the whole thing.

01:03:33.000 When asked ABC News chief Washington correspondent Jonathan Karl about reports from ABC News and other athletes, thank you, outlets that Donald Trump rejected an Israeli plan to assassinate Iran's supreme leader, concerned that it would escalate the conflict, Netanyahu said, quote, it's not going to escalate the conflict.

01:03:51.000 It's going to end the conflict.

01:03:56.000 It would have ended it.

01:03:57.000 It's not.

01:03:58.000 But he also didn't say, Donald Trump did not advocate weed.

01:04:02.000 So in other words, it sounds like Donald Trump said, probably don't assassinate the Ayatollah.

01:04:06.000 Don't do that.

01:04:06.000 And Netanyahu is saying, I think we're going to assassinate the Ayatollah.

01:04:09.000 It sounds like they're going after the Ayatollah, potentially.

01:04:12.000 And look, there's a lot you can say about this.

01:04:15.000 I don't know how this is all going to turn out.

01:04:16.000 But that doesn't make it an impeachable offense from Donald Trump.

01:04:19.000 Donald Trump said, don't do it.

01:04:21.000 I would probably suggest you don't.

01:04:24.000 And Netanyahu said, I think we're going to.

01:04:26.000 This is a very Israel bad moment.

01:04:28.000 And that's the problem that I have with a lot of these guys.

01:04:32.000 And again, I agree with Dave on a lot of stuff when it comes to Gaza and it comes to the suffering that's going on there.

01:04:36.000 Like right now as a human being, I have a big problem with it, but you haven't told me why you value Gaza suffering over Israeli suffering. 0.68

01:04:43.000 Short term.

01:04:45.000 Gaza suffering versus long-term Israeli suffering.

01:04:47.000 Because it's going to happen.

01:04:47.000 If there's a two-state thing there, if there's somebody there, they're going to be firing rockets.

01:04:51.000 They're going to be suicide attacks on them. 0.96

01:04:53.000 There's going to be stabbings. 1.00

01:04:53.000 There's going to be shootings. 1.00

01:04:54.000 There's going to be Hezbollah. 0.97

01:04:55.000 There's going to be Hamas. 0.95

01:04:56.000 There's going to be all these other organizations.

01:04:57.000 So that's okay because it takes longer, I guess, and maybe you only have 15 or 20 people dying every other month or something like that from these things versus – Maybe that's where we can all come together and say, hey, a better plan would be X. But that's the problem I have with this, because then that colors every other thing that they do, and I'm like, these are not the same things.

01:05:22.000 It's a different situation.

01:05:23.000 I hear the argument all the time.

01:05:24.000 We actually had a great relationship with the Middle Eastern world before Israel.

01:05:28.000 The same can be said for Canada.

01:05:29.000 It has nothing to do with Israel.

01:05:30.000 There was no Middle Eastern world before 1948. 0.59

01:05:34.000 Well, the Middle Eastern world before Israel was also before USSR influence.

01:05:39.000 Yes.

01:05:40.000 Chinese influence.

01:05:41.000 It's very different.

01:05:42.000 Saudi Arabian influence.

01:05:43.000 Yeah.

01:05:44.000 You could say the same thing with Cuba.

01:05:45.000 It's not just Israel existing.

01:05:47.000 There's a whole different...

01:05:52.000 I mean, did they go from bikinis to burqas in Iran because of Israel in the 70s?

01:05:59.000 No, probably not.

01:06:00.000 So it is a pretty simple...

01:06:08.000 I don't buy it.

01:06:08.000 I'm sure it doesn't help.

01:06:10.000 It doesn't help because they hate Jews, but I think that they hate Jews and they hate us.

01:06:15.000 And then if we said, hey, we also have nothing to do with the Jews, I think at this point in time in 2025, they would still hate us. 0.89

01:06:20.000 That's my opinion.

01:06:21.000 Let's grab some chats.

01:06:22.000 Unless there's an update.

01:06:24.000 No, I don't have anything right now.

01:06:26.000 Let's see.

01:06:27.000 Next chat from Friesen Dreamin.

01:06:32.000 Let's see.

01:06:33.000 Question for Crowder.

01:06:34.000 Do you think they are going to use this, I think this is going back to the Belter thing, to try and push an even more egregious assault weapons ban?

01:06:42.000 If so, how do you think they'll go and try and pass it?

01:06:45.000 I don't know what the laws are in Minnesota.

01:06:47.000 Those things tend to happen on a state level now.

01:06:51.000 Because there just isn't the stomach for it nationally.

01:06:54.000 Every year that goes by, more and more Americans own firearms.

01:06:58.000 And that's honestly just one of those issues that has been won by education.

01:07:03.000 That's why we did the gift a gun trend a long time ago.

01:07:06.000 I said, yeah, buy someone a gun for Christmas.

01:07:09.000 Have it shipped to their FFL. 0.99

01:07:11.000 Because the moment someone goes and has to purchase a firearm, they realize this idea that, oh, there's no background check, is complete horse crap. 0.97

01:07:19.000 With each new legal gun purchase or each new legal firearm owner, you now have a person who's been inoculated against the bullshit from the left on something like an assault weapons ban. 0.93

01:07:31.000 So it's just not something that's going to happen nationally.

01:07:34.000 I very much doubt it.

01:07:36.000 I don't think that this will be the catalyst for a push nationally.

01:07:39.000 I'm not super familiar.

01:07:41.000 With Minnesota gun laws on a state level and municipal level, you might have some saber rattling and you might have some people do something like a bump stock ban or a bullet button.

01:07:49.000 But he did the crime with pistols.

01:07:50.000 Right.

01:07:51.000 I mean, he had, they said, an assault style rifle.

01:07:53.000 They said he had some, but in California it would be an assault weapon because the pistol has, if it's, for example, a Glock or a Walford, more than 10. 10, okay.

01:08:01.000 Anything more than 10 in California.

01:08:02.000 Yeah, I had a CZ-75 from California when I was in Michigan, and it had all California magazines, where all they do is they hollow out a part of it and shorten the spring so that you can't use what the magazine was meant for.

01:08:14.000 They never worked either.

01:08:15.000 They jammed on a CZ of all guns.

01:08:17.000 So Minnesota law really quickly in 2023, they extended the waiting period for assault weapon purchases from federally licensed dealers from seven days to 30 days.

01:08:25.000 That was August 1st of 2023.

01:08:27.000 And then Minnesota prohibits the possession of semi-automatic.

01:08:29.000 Military-style assault weapons, which, what the hell is that?

01:08:33.000 By persons who are under 18 years of age, such person may carry or possess a semi-automatic military assault rifle.

01:08:40.000 Only, and then there are some exceptions, it looks like.

01:08:42.000 So, they're saying if you're over 18, you can buy something?

01:08:45.000 Well, but I don't know, a semi-automatic like we made the case here.

01:08:48.000 Well, I think rifles can be owned, if I'm not mistaken, by... 0.98

01:08:54.000 So, in other words, it seems like the waiting period is bullshit. 0.98

01:08:57.000 You have people who have been killed during that waiting period because they were purchasing a firearm to defend themselves, so that's terrible. 0.98

01:09:03.000 So, I don't know.

01:09:04.000 I don't want to spend so much time on this question, maybe on the state level, but I don't think nationally, no.

01:09:09.000 I think that's kind of one of the single biggest losing issues for the left along with their views on free speech.

01:09:15.000 Final chat Is it Jeremy?

01:09:17.000 No, actually...

01:09:21.000 Of Jeremy's own accord.

01:09:22.000 Oh, okay.

01:09:23.000 So, we'll be going to our friend Russell Brand.

01:09:27.000 Russell Brand.

01:09:27.000 All right.

01:09:28.000 All right.

01:09:29.000 Final chat from Carful.

01:09:31.000 For the crew, aside from a direct attack on America, I don't think enough Americans care about anyone else to go to war.

01:09:37.000 At this point, will Americans only be convinced by mob mentality?

01:09:41.000 I don't know what that means.

01:09:42.000 If by mob mentality you mean an attack on a U.S. soil, then I guess that would constitute it.

01:09:50.000 Yeah, I don't really think...

01:10:06.000 Like, that's a mob mentality. 0.86

01:10:07.000 If you mean 9-11 and people going like, holy shit, this is the deadliest attack on our soil and someone needs to pay... 0.96

01:10:17.000 I think a mob mentality when I think of, you know, a guy going like, hey, I don't think that, you know, men should play in women's sports. 0.97

01:10:24.000 And everyone goes, how dare you say this?

01:10:26.000 It's not even a man, it's a woman.

01:10:27.000 And then they go, oh, yeah, sorry, sorry.

01:10:29.000 I misgendered that.

01:10:31.000 Yeah, I was just trying to make a point.

01:10:32.000 Well, no, it's not a point because they all deserve to.

01:10:34.000 Oh, okay.

01:10:35.000 Well, then, yeah, I guess there's no problem with the trans people competing in sports.

01:10:38.000 That's mob mentality to me.

01:10:40.000 Right.

01:10:40.000 Or what happened to Lane?

01:10:42.000 Where he's like, I'm anti-fascist, and you're starting to look like fascists.

01:10:46.000 Yeah, that's right, that's right. 1.00

01:10:47.000 I'm a faggot. 1.00

01:10:48.000 Yeah, I know. 1.00

01:10:49.000 But yeah, he turned the crowd, like, he basically riled the crowd against Lane.

01:10:53.000 Yeah, and after the cameras stopped rolling, he jerked off to a portrait of Pol Pot.

01:10:58.000 No, I agree, if you mean 9-11.

01:10:59.000 But I think you're right.

01:11:00.000 I think our stomach for wars is different than it used to be.

01:11:04.000 And I think that's because...

01:11:05.000 And it's not...

01:11:05.000 I think because...

01:11:06.000 We had a whole generation of young men come home from a war that they felt...

01:11:12.000 There was no winning.

01:11:13.000 In Iraq.

01:11:14.000 Afghanistan too, yeah, it went on too long. 0.99

01:11:16.000 I get that.

01:11:17.000 But especially with Iraq. 0.73

01:11:19.000 Yeah.

01:11:19.000 We had a whole generation of men come back.

01:11:22.000 Yeah.

01:11:22.000 Going like, hey, let's not do that again.

01:11:25.000 Yeah, I think it's becoming more clear, especially as we live in a global economy.

01:11:31.000 It's like, all right. 0.99

01:11:32.000 And I'm not saying that, I'm not encouraging globalism in any way, but people are going, unless we're going in to destroy shit. 0.95

01:11:39.000 And either colonize them or turn them into a state, or these people are presenting an actual existential threat, not like Donald Trump as president, to the United States, we really shouldn't be engaging. 0.97

01:11:52.000 Because when you look at the deficit spending, when you look at the debt that we have that's, what, $40 billion trillion at this point?

01:11:59.000 And you look at it, you go, and by the way, it's not like these expenditures, if it was providing, let's say, some missiles capable of interception to help resupply the Iron Dome in Israel, it's not like that would Directly take food out of homeless shelters' mouths.

01:12:11.000 So I think that's a false equivalency too.

01:12:13.000 But I think that people are now at the point where they're tired of being guilted into helping the rest of the world when the solution at home is always more spending and government inefficiency in the name of empathy.

01:12:26.000 So I agree with you there.

01:12:27.000 I think that that's a good thing, that Americans are very, very hesitant to go to war. 0.77

01:12:31.000 I mean, think of every great...

01:12:38.000 Then you think of, you know, the Patriot.

01:12:39.000 He wasn't someone who wanted to go to war.

01:12:42.000 The war came, and then finally this was a hesitant, this was a reluctant soldier, a reluctant warrior.

01:12:50.000 That's why it's so great in the Patriot, right?

01:12:52.000 I knew you were going to go.

01:12:53.000 That reverend, where he's like, I don't want anything, and then finally they see him there, and it's that guy with a very interesting face who was on Boston Legal.

01:12:59.000 And he says, sometimes a shepherd must protect his flock.

01:13:02.000 He's probably going to get shot because this guy has no idea how to handle a musket. 0.99

01:13:05.000 But I appreciate the sentiment.

01:13:06.000 And at least at that point, you know you did all you could.

01:13:10.000 I think Americans are at the point where if we find ourselves in a war, it's easier for us to sleep at night as American citizens to say, all right, we did everything we could to try and avoid this.

01:13:22.000 This is one that came to our door.

01:13:24.000 And I believe if it comes to our door, there are times for war.

01:13:27.000 And it should be as swift.

01:13:28.000 As violent and as forceful as humanly possible.

01:13:32.000 It's the difference between a drunken bar fight where guys are posturing and punching and shoving and you getting mugged in an alley at night and doing whatever it takes to eliminate that person. 0.98

01:13:46.000 Whether it's ripping out his throat, choking him unconscious, stomping his nuts.

01:13:49.000 It's, I have to get out of this because my life has been put in imminent danger. 0.97

01:13:53.000 That's a reason for war? 0.91

01:13:56.000 Not, hey, bro, what are you going to do?

01:13:59.000 Speak up, bro.

01:14:00.000 None of the posturing.

01:14:01.000 Do it or don't, and I think that's a good thing.

01:14:03.000 We'll talk more about this tomorrow.

Louder with Crowder - June 16, 2025

🔴 Trump vs. Tucker: Is Israel Dragging the US into War vs. Iran 2025-06-16 18:08

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