Louder with Crowder - Tucker Calls America Evil | Chaz 2.0 at Columbia | Special Guest Eduardo Bolsonaro

00:00:00.000 I never knew how much indecency and filth I'd have to experience just to survive.

00:00:21.000 You learn just how resilient you are when it's just man versus nature.

00:00:25.000 When the only thing between you and death is something as simple as a minor cut that can turn into a deadly infection.

00:00:31.000 Or a little sip of creek water that's been poisoned by the flesh of rotting vermin.

00:00:35.000 Gives you a new perspective.

00:00:36.000 Shows you what you're made of.

00:00:38.000 Yeah, I've been doing fine.

00:00:40.000 So far.

00:00:41.000 With my Patriot supply.

00:00:42.000 And, uh, I think I'll get about another month out of it.

00:00:47.000 I don't look forward to the day I run out and have to make some hard decisions.

00:00:52.000 Josh?

00:00:53.000 Oh, hi Tim. 0.92

00:00:56.000 What the hell are you doing?

00:00:57.000 What are you doing out here?

00:00:58.000 I haven't seen you since after the show.

00:01:00.000 How long have you been here?

00:01:03.000 Since about noon.

00:01:04.000 Did you eat a whole month's worth of MyPatriotSupply?

00:01:11.000 Well, yeah.

00:01:11.000 I had to keep my energy up.

00:01:14.000 You know those aren't free, right?

00:01:16.000 Yeah, call it per diem.

00:01:17.000 No.

00:01:19.000 No.

00:01:20.000 Come on, Tim!

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00:01:39.000 Per diem is a cruel mistress. 0.93

00:02:08.000 We all know that well.

00:02:10.000 Glad to be with you.

00:02:12.000 Oh, I was confused because there was a light going on.

00:02:14.000 It's a reflection off of a pillow.

00:02:17.000 Huh?

00:02:17.000 In third chair.

00:02:18.000 I'll explain it later.

00:02:18.000 It's completely irrelevant, it doesn't matter.

00:02:22.000 We have a lot to get to today.

00:02:23.000 Let's bring up the rundown.

00:02:25.000 And let me ask you about this.

00:02:26.000 Where do you all end up?

00:02:27.000 You know, Tucker Carlson said that anyone who believes there's a justification for dropping the A-bombs that we did in World War II in Japan is evil.

00:02:38.000 That there's no way to defend that position or to argue it without being evil.

00:02:42.000 I agree with Tucker on a lot.

00:02:43.000 I think he's wrong.

00:02:44.000 I think he's misguided on that one.

00:02:46.000 Also, let's talk about Colombia here today.

00:02:48.000 Colombia is Chas 2.0. 0.94

00:02:50.000 They are now occupying an area of Colombia and they hate Jews there. 0.81

00:02:53.000 These are Hamas supporters, sympathizers, and I'm not going to say pro-Palestine. 0.60

00:02:56.000 They're pro-Hamas. 1.00

00:02:58.000 Because they say they're pro-Hamas.

00:02:58.000 How do I know?

00:03:00.000 How do I know that they want to enact more October 7th?

00:03:04.000 Because they say there will be 10,000 more October 7th.

00:03:08.000 This is going on, and we're going to compare it, by the way, the media has obviously tried to use us to point fingers at Donald Trump in Charlottesville, so that's an important point.

00:03:15.000 And Eduardo Bolsonaro's on.

00:03:17.000 He's like the Donald Trump Jr.

00:03:19.000 of Brazil.

00:03:20.000 Well, that's pretty cool then.

00:03:20.000 Kind of.

00:03:22.000 But he's actually, he also is a representative in Brazil.

00:03:24.000 And there were huge protests.

00:03:24.000 Ah, yes.

00:03:25.000 South America, there's a big groundswell right now in South America against leftism, actual socialism.

00:03:30.000 Hey, wherever they have lived through it in some capacity, they reject it.

00:03:34.000 It's just a history of civil conflict and battles and wars and thongs in Brazil. 0.97

00:03:41.000 So if at some point today, they weren't a church group, you see this on YouTube.

00:03:49.000 Head on over to Rumble.

00:03:50.000 I was making sure my headphones were okay.

00:03:51.000 They didn't have a good seal on my ears.

00:03:52.000 By the way, it's Columbia University.

00:03:53.000 Columbia is also a hellhole, so I want to make sure that we distinguish between hellholes.

00:03:57.000 I think I said at Columbia.

00:03:58.000 You said Columbia.

00:04:00.000 I didn't say in Columbia.

00:04:01.000 I said at Columbia.

00:04:02.000 Which makes it pretty damn clear.

00:04:02.000 I don't know.

00:04:04.000 Just saying.

00:04:05.000 You're trying to correct... It's your first day back, officially.

00:04:07.000 You were back last week, but then you jettisoned away again.

00:04:12.000 And your first thing is to call me on that?

00:04:14.000 Hey, comment below if you think Gerald C. sometimes does a better job, or they both have good qualities.

00:04:20.000 How about the preposition Nazi over here? 0.86

00:04:22.000 Yeah, I know, exactly.

00:04:23.000 I know.

00:04:24.000 Sometimes they both have good qualities?

00:04:25.000 That's the opposite?

00:04:26.000 That is the opposite.

00:04:28.000 Number two, Captain Morgan, how are you, sir?

00:04:30.000 I was better a second ago.

00:04:31.000 How's the little one?

00:04:33.000 He's sick.

00:04:33.000 He's good.

00:04:34.000 He's not sleeping very well.

00:04:35.000 They don't sleep very well in general.

00:04:37.000 I don't know if you know this about newborns.

00:04:38.000 Obviously we do.

00:04:40.000 But then being sick it's like oh you can't breathe as well.

00:04:42.000 It's tough to deal with.

00:04:43.000 The good news is you're stronger than him and he can't chase you.

00:04:47.000 So you can solve the problem.

00:04:48.000 It's very nice to be able to Leave him in one place and know he will remain there no matter what?

00:04:51.000 You have far more tools at your disposal to keep him in line.

00:04:54.000 That's true.

00:04:54.000 That's all I'm saying.

00:04:55.000 And when you hear this, you know him, you love him.

00:04:57.000 You can watch his comedy special, American, on Mug Club.

00:04:57.000 In third chair.

00:05:02.000 And you can see his dates at jfirestein.com.

00:05:04.000 Thank you for your service, Josh.

00:05:04.000 How are you?

00:05:05.000 Excellent.

00:05:05.000 I'm good.

00:05:06.000 Good to be here.

00:05:07.000 I like the shirt.

00:05:07.000 Thank you!

00:05:08.000 It is a new favorite of mine.

00:05:09.000 Check that out, everybody.

00:05:13.000 Yeah, that's old Gerald A. Oh, look at you!

00:05:16.000 You got the same one!

00:05:18.000 Wow!

00:05:19.000 Rain and Gerald!

00:05:21.000 This is planned!

00:05:22.000 You knew about this!

00:05:23.000 You were in on this, weren't you?

00:05:24.000 I am not in on this coup, but I support it.

00:05:26.000 Look at his shirt!

00:05:27.000 Obviously he's not in it.

00:05:28.000 It's because it's short sleeves.

00:05:29.000 That's the only reason, be honest.

00:05:31.000 I don't wear short sleeves on here.

00:05:33.000 It's the only reason you're not wearing this shirt.

00:05:35.000 It's unprofessional and immodest.

00:05:39.000 Hey! 0.99

00:05:39.000 I don't know if you know this, Do you remember the border bill that kind of tried to shoehorn in $60 billion in aid to Ukraine? 0.99

00:05:51.000 They called it the border bill.

00:05:52.000 I don't know if you know this, but now we're going to provide Ukraine with about $60 billion anyway.

00:05:59.000 Wait, what?

00:06:00.000 Yeah.

00:06:01.000 So that's happening.

00:06:01.000 Oh my god.

00:06:02.000 That's expected to basically be finalized.

00:06:04.000 The price tag went up and they just took a border.

00:06:06.000 It was $60.06 billion for Ukraine and the border bill.

00:06:10.000 And now it's just a separate package.

00:06:11.000 This was always going to happen.

00:06:11.000 $60.84 billion.

00:06:17.000 Just so you know.

00:06:18.000 When people talk about the Swamp, when people talk about the Uniparty, these are platitudes that are often thrown out because, you know, people just like to deal in cliches.

00:06:27.000 But this is what we're actually dealing with.

00:06:29.000 It was always going to happen.

00:06:31.000 There was no way around it.

00:06:33.000 And here you are.

00:06:34.000 Sixty billion dollars to Ukraine.

00:06:37.000 Hey, didn't Zelensky get cut?

00:06:39.000 Was it a yacht?

00:06:40.000 Or was it a third house?

00:06:41.000 Was it a Rolls Royce?

00:06:43.000 How many of these representatives, how many of these politicians in Ukraine are living high on the hog?

00:06:46.000 And I don't know if you know this.

00:06:48.000 What's the number, Joel?

00:06:49.000 Is it 37 trillion?

00:06:51.000 I think we're in the high 30 trillion number for national debt.

00:06:54.000 Right now I think we can fact check that.

00:06:56.000 I think it's 35 trillion.

00:06:57.000 We could do higher.

00:07:00.000 So, we not only don't have money.

00:07:03.000 34.

00:07:04.000 We have net negative 34 trillion money.

00:07:09.000 That's a lot of negative.

00:07:11.000 And just think about this for a second.

00:07:12.000 The border bill got scrapped, right?

00:07:15.000 There was about $20 billion, I believe, that would have gone to the border.

00:07:18.000 Or, sorry, less.

00:07:19.000 I think it might have been $14 billion.

00:07:20.000 I'm getting confused.

00:07:21.000 $21 billion going to Israel here.

00:07:25.000 $34 trillion net negative dollars that we have, and we're sending $60 billion to Ukraine and about $20 plus billion to Israel.

00:07:33.000 Now, let me be really clear with Israel. 0.89

00:07:35.000 We absolutely should support them morally after October 7th.

00:07:38.000 They have the right to defend themselves.

00:07:39.000 I don't believe that we should be sending any money to Israel.

00:07:42.000 Hey, October 7th should never happen again.

00:07:44.000 I completely agree.

00:07:46.000 You make sure it doesn't happen, Israel, by any means necessary, and you have my support.

00:07:50.000 Not a fan of terrorists.

00:07:51.000 But if you can't do it without $20 billion from a country that's $34 trillion in debt, you have a problem on your hands, not ours.

00:08:00.000 Don't they have their own money as well?

00:08:02.000 You would think!

00:08:03.000 I mean, I'm not trying to, like, play into any stereotypes.

00:08:05.000 I'm just saying.

00:08:06.000 Yes.

00:08:07.000 I thought they had their own money.

00:08:09.000 To spend on this.

00:08:09.000 Right.

00:08:10.000 It's not India. 0.99

00:08:11.000 It's not India. 0.99

00:08:12.000 Does India not have money? 0.99

00:08:14.000 I think it's the money to people ratio.

00:08:16.000 21 trillion, 21 billion to Israel and 60 billion to Ukraine.

00:08:23.000 Can you guys, at what point do you say, ah, maybe that's inappropriate spending? 0.96

00:08:28.000 At what point are Republicans useless? 0.59

00:08:32.000 This is actually happening? 0.67

00:08:34.000 Especially the ones that waved Ukrainian flags on the floor.

00:08:36.000 If any of them did, I know the Democrats were handing them out, but I think some Republicans might have been waving them too.

00:08:41.000 Yeah, how about no flags on the floor aside from the American flag?

00:08:44.000 Yeah, just the one.

00:08:45.000 That matters.

00:08:45.000 How about none?

00:08:46.000 Yeah, that's kind of our building, so... You would think so.

00:08:48.000 Yeah, the red, white, and blue really looks good in there.

00:08:51.000 It does.

00:08:51.000 Yeah, as a designer myself, and a fan of interior design, I gotta say, Ukrainian flag blue and yellow does not go together.

00:08:57.000 If you have a dark blue, white, red, it looks good.

00:08:59.000 They don't have a good flag.

00:09:01.000 They don't have a good country.

00:09:02.000 It's a bad country with a bad flag is my point.

00:09:06.000 And there's a worse country attacking itself.

00:09:08.000 Of course!

00:09:11.000 Because people act like you like Hamas if you say we shouldn't be sending 20 billion.

00:09:15.000 Is that a defensible position?

00:09:17.000 Do you understand the difference between people who are actually anti-Semitic, people who actually dislike Jews, and someone who says, yeah, I think they absolutely should have the right to defend themselves, and I absolutely think that Hamas needs to be completely disbanded by any means necessary.

00:09:30.000 We shouldn't be sending money.

00:09:32.000 Is that anti-Semitic?

00:09:34.000 I don't think so.

00:09:34.000 I don't think it is.

00:09:36.000 Is it pro-Russia to say, hey Ukraine, defend yourself!

00:09:40.000 Sixty billion dollars?

00:09:42.000 I don't know if you know this.

00:09:43.000 We have issues here.

00:09:45.000 You know, we have a homelessness problem.

00:09:46.000 You know, we have a crime problem.

00:09:47.000 I don't know if you know we have a debt problem.

00:09:48.000 That's just something that we never seem to take into account.

00:09:52.000 At what point do we start worrying about our own stuff?

00:09:54.000 I mean the border issue should be the number one thing that we're spending money on right now.

00:09:57.000 Not other people's conflicts.

00:09:59.000 Sorry.

00:10:01.000 That's us.

00:10:02.000 Because the money train stops if that isn't fixed.

00:10:06.000 The rest of the world, in fact, should be sending us aid to secure our border because it appears as though we don't have the funds to be able to do it.

00:10:12.000 Right.

00:10:13.000 That would be sick.

00:10:13.000 That would be nice.

00:10:14.000 Rest of the world?

00:10:16.000 Just Ukraine and Israel money.

00:10:18.000 That's at least four to six border walls.

00:10:21.000 Maybe even seven, depending on the contractor.

00:10:23.000 Depending on the contractor.

00:10:24.000 Think about that for a second.

00:10:26.000 They have no interest in solving that issue.

00:10:29.000 You, Americans, say the biggest issue facing this country right now is illegal immigration?

00:10:33.000 They don't care! 0.92

00:10:34.000 Right now!

00:10:36.000 Right now!

00:10:37.000 If they can do this for a bill with you, they could do it for a border wall.

00:10:41.000 They could do it to deport people who are invading your cities and your towns.

00:10:46.000 They could do it to stop fentanyl coming through our borders.

00:10:49.000 They could do it right now.

00:10:50.000 It would be far cheaper than what we're just saying, let's toss, I don't know, $60 billion on there for Ukraine.

00:10:56.000 And it's all imaginary money.

00:10:58.000 Yeah.

00:10:59.000 Like, just put more imaginary money for a wall.

00:11:01.000 Right!

00:11:02.000 Alright, we'll move on here and talk about it.

00:11:04.000 But, you know, it's just something that just got my goat.

00:11:06.000 I just sat here for a moment and just went, what?

00:11:06.000 It did!

00:11:10.000 You went to the restroom and came back with a Ukraine bill that pissed you off.

00:11:12.000 I know, I know.

00:11:15.000 I was like, let's toss this in there.

00:11:16.000 So this weekend, Tucker Carlson, you know, he was on the Joe Rogan Experience.

00:11:22.000 It's just always fun.

00:11:23.000 It's an experience.

00:11:24.000 It's an extravaganza, some would say.

00:11:25.000 For the whole family.

00:11:26.000 Experience it today.

00:11:27.000 Yes.

00:11:27.000 He went on the Joe Rogan program and it's been going viral where he said that

00:11:31.000 he's going to be a part of it.

00:11:49.000 is um when he says that anyone who supports it or anyone who thinks that it was justified is evil there's no other way well allow me to present to you that there are other ways and i think two positions here are valid to hold i think it's a far more uneducated opinion as far as loss of life and i'll lay out the case for you all references in saying that no bombs should have been dropped i also think that it's absurd to say the united states should not have Nuclear weapons of any kind when you consider that other nations who would gladly use them if we didn't have nuclear weapons, but we'll get to that.

00:12:24.000 So here's a clip of Tucker that everyone is talking about.

00:12:28.000 I'll just admit it.

00:12:30.000 On the right, you know, I've spent the last 80 years defending dropping nuclear weapons on civilians. 0.55

00:12:36.000 Like, are you joking?

00:12:37.000 Right.

00:12:38.000 That's just, like, prima facie evil.

00:12:40.000 If you can't... Well, if we hadn't done that, then this, that, the other thing, that was actually a great savings.

00:12:45.000 Like, no, it's wrong to drop nuclear weapons on people.

00:12:48.000 And if you find yourself arguing that it's a good thing to drop nuclear weapons on people, then you are evil.

00:12:52.000 Like, it's not a tough one, right?

00:12:54.000 Is that a hard call for you?

00:12:55.000 It's not a hard call for me.

00:12:57.000 So, no one's saying it's good to drop nuclear weapons on anyone.

00:13:02.000 And that's the strawman that he presents here.

00:13:03.000 And this is kind of the age of it.

00:13:04.000 It's really very ex-friendly.

00:13:07.000 Right?

00:13:07.000 Just throw that out.

00:13:09.000 Yeah!

00:13:10.000 Rah, rah, rah, rah, rah! 0.76

00:13:11.000 Pom-poms! 0.98

00:13:12.000 Okay.

00:13:13.000 No one's saying that it's good to drop nuclear weapons.

00:13:15.000 But he's wrong!

00:13:17.000 He's wrong in that if you estimate the amount of lives lost, you know, it would have been about 5 on the low end to 10 million Japanese people, 400,000 to 800,000 Americans.

00:13:28.000 As far as the people who were killed by these bombs, about 200,000.

00:13:31.000 So there is no argument that can be made.

00:13:34.000 And we'll go through all the sub-arguments.

00:13:36.000 But even those sub-arguments that you'll hear, like the Japanese were going to surrender anyway, no, it was going to end, World War II was going to end because of Russia, no.

00:13:44.000 No one is even arguing that you are not looking at several multiples higher of innocent lives lost in a land invasion or if the war had continued.

00:13:53.000 So, no one's saying it's good to drop nuclear weapons, but I do think that the conversation needs to center on why, and was that the appropriate decision?

00:14:01.000 Is it morally superior to save millions of lives at that point in time?

00:14:06.000 Not to mention the fact that we are also dealing with, you know, some of the most grotesque evil that you can possibly imagine if you look at what the Japanese imperialists believed in. 0.93

00:14:12.000 And, of course, notwithstanding the Holocaust, the Nazis, they were, I don't know if you've heard of the Axis of Evil. 0.51

00:14:18.000 But look at how the Japanese and Chinese treated each other during that period of time.

00:14:22.000 So, you'd have to accept this on its face by completely eliminating the history of Japan and what they believed, and completely eliminating the statistics regarding lives lost.

00:14:33.000 If you do that, then yes, you can say anyone who believes that the nuclear bombs dropped was the right decision is evil.

00:14:41.000 But you have to acknowledge that first.

00:14:41.000 Then you can say that.

00:14:43.000 Yeah, and what is the difference between an atomic bomb and bombing cities so many times that you kill that many people or more?

00:14:49.000 Is it just because you have a very effective bomb?

00:14:51.000 What about the firebombing of Tokyo?

00:14:53.000 Was that okay, but because it's a nuclear weapon, we shouldn't go to one bomb doing all that damage?

00:14:59.000 We should at least have to send 50 planes, 100 planes to do that kind of damage?

00:15:03.000 I don't understand the point that he's even trying to make there.

00:15:05.000 A, it's wrong on the history, and B, it's wrong just in theory of war.

00:15:10.000 Right.

00:15:10.000 What were you saying, Josh?

00:15:11.000 You could make the argument that one nuclear bomb is more humane.

00:15:13.000 It is!

00:15:14.000 People died in an instant.

00:15:15.000 They didn't even know it was happening.

00:15:16.000 That's right.

00:15:17.000 They didn't have to watch their family.

00:15:18.000 They didn't have to watch their baby I think we would all accept that war is inhumane.

00:15:21.000 throw their baby in front of a tank or something like, you know, whatever crazy stuff they're

00:15:21.000 Yes.

00:15:21.000 Period.

00:15:21.000 War is inhumane.

00:15:24.000 going to do. I think we would all accept that war is inhumane.

00:15:27.000 Yes. Period. War is inhumane.

00:15:30.000 All of World War II was inhumane. But saving millions of lives, or at least eliminating

00:15:37.000 the cost, I should say, the future cost of millions of lives through the war continuing as it existed.

00:15:41.000 Yeah.

00:15:42.000 Along with, if you look at what happened compared to, you know, we could have used this with Pearl Harbor, the United States military dropped leaflets in Japanese cities.

00:15:51.000 What?

00:15:51.000 Before both Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

00:15:55.000 We did it.

00:15:56.000 We said, like, hey, hey, just so you know, your leaders hate you and want to use you as human shields.

00:16:02.000 Please get out of these cities.

00:16:04.000 Could have used that in Pearl Harbor. 0.57

00:16:05.000 A little bit. 1.00

00:16:07.000 Killing your ships. 0.71

00:16:08.000 They're like, no, we've got torpedoes. 0.97

00:16:08.000 What? 0.97

00:16:10.000 Yeah, they were just... That's actually better. 1.00

00:16:11.000 We can drop them from the plane and kill you guys. 1.00

00:16:13.000 Or fly our planes into you. 1.00

00:16:15.000 Yep.

00:16:15.000 That's true.

00:16:16.000 Kamikazes, yeah.

00:16:17.000 The issue here is, you see this on the populist right a little bit, they want to make it seem as though The United States in World War II was just a bunch of cowboys

00:16:25.000 riding nukes into Japan for the fun of it. 0.89

00:16:27.000 Okay, there was one guy.

00:16:42.000 But to be fair, he's gone now, obviously.

00:16:44.000 He's gone now.

00:16:45.000 Yeah, we did.

00:16:45.000 We dealt with it.

00:16:46.000 So let's go through some of these claims here.

00:16:47.000 I think this is an interesting history lesson.

00:16:50.000 A claim that you'll often hear.

00:16:52.000 Is that the Japanese, we should have never dropped these bombs, even understanding the amount of lives that were... I don't want to say saved, the amount of lives that didn't have to simply be expended. 1.00

00:17:03.000 Right.

00:17:05.000 The claim they'll make is the Japanese were going to surrender anyway, so there was no need for this.

00:17:09.000 Ethical debates aside, was the bomb necessary for ending the war?

00:17:12.000 Well, six of the seven five-star US generals and admirals at that time felt there was no need to drop the bomb because Japanese surrender was imminent.

00:17:21.000 In fact, a post-war panel of 1,000 experts, including surviving Japanese leaders, concluded Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped.

00:17:29.000 Okay, here's the truth.

00:17:32.000 No, they weren't.

00:17:34.000 They weren't going to surrender, so let me lay this out for you.

00:17:35.000 Again, all references are available, and I really hope that other people start following suit, so that you don't just hear claims on an Instagram reel, and then believe it to be true.

00:17:44.000 July 26th, right, the terms of the surrender of the Japanese, they were demanded, they were written out by the United States, China, Britain, at the Potsdam Declaration.

00:17:52.000 Okay, that's July 26th.

00:17:53.000 July 28th, the Prime Minister, Japan, Kantaro, rejected it.

00:17:58.000 Wholesale.

00:17:59.000 And by the way... In their own words.

00:18:00.000 Yes.

00:18:00.000 Basically, you're using their own words.

00:18:02.000 They said, oh, they were going to send her.

00:18:02.000 Yes.

00:18:03.000 He says no.

00:18:04.000 He's the Prime Minister.

00:18:04.000 Right.

00:18:05.000 He said no.

00:18:06.000 I don't understand whose word to take.

00:18:07.000 So people telling you this, here's what they do.

00:18:09.000 They say, oh, there were this panel of experts and this person.

00:18:11.000 Yeah, sure.

00:18:12.000 But the Japanese Prime Minister said no.

00:18:12.000 OK.

00:18:14.000 No.

00:18:16.000 So that's kind of relevant, and the terms included some simple things, like removing Japanese leaders who started the war and believed in a pan-pacific superior race, you know, demilitarizing, that Japan would relinquish some of the conquered territory, right?

00:18:31.000 Things like that.

00:18:32.000 Democratic norms, simple things!

00:18:36.000 And we were pretty clear, and by we I mean us, China, Britain, that if the terms were not agreed to, let me read this quote here, the full application of our military power backed by our resolve will mean the inevitable and complete destruction of the Japanese armed forces and just as inevitably the utter devastation of the Japanese homeland. 0.64

00:18:53.000 So, this is what transpired.

00:18:56.000 The idea that they were going to surrender, you'll hear that, I learned that in college, no.

00:19:02.000 Because they said no.

00:19:02.000 How do I know?

00:19:04.000 That's pretty easy.

00:19:06.000 And I've seen that claim a lot right now on social media.

00:19:08.000 People are saying, oh, the Japanese were going to surrender anyway.

00:19:10.000 Obviously, you see it there.

00:19:11.000 You've seen reports of it.

00:19:12.000 But people go to that very quickly.

00:19:13.000 And I even thought, like, were they?

00:19:16.000 Wait a minute.

00:19:17.000 No, they weren't going to surrender.

00:19:18.000 Like, for a second, I was like, wait a minute.

00:19:19.000 Were they actually going to surrender?

00:19:20.000 No, we would have to spend hundreds of thousands of more lives to get them to surrender, including millions of their own.

00:19:24.000 Well, let's ask the Japanese Prime Minister.

00:19:26.000 Yeah.

00:19:26.000 Oh, he says, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:19:29.000 I like how that equips the black guy that speaks with a British accent.

00:19:34.000 Four generals thought that they were going to surrender, so that must make it true. 1.00

00:19:39.000 Yeah, apparently they didn't actually listen to the Japanese Prime Minister when he said, no, no surrender.

00:19:44.000 They weren't in on it.

00:19:45.000 How about some surrender?

00:19:46.000 Zero surrender.

00:19:48.000 If this is surrender, this is zero. We're over here now.

00:19:53.000 Zero. Zero, like our plane. Yes.

00:19:55.000 Drive right to the end of the battle. Yes, that's right.

00:20:00.000 Crash. Jesus. Here's another claim that they will make, okay?

00:20:04.000 And again, this is, you have to believe it, to assume that anyone who believes the dropping of these bombs Was at least a calculated risk that was reasonable at the time.

00:20:14.000 You have to accept all of these premises to believe that anyone who support would be evil.

00:20:19.000 That's what we're dealing with here.

00:20:21.000 You'll hear this claim a lot.

00:20:21.000 I heard this claim quite a bit.

00:20:22.000 There was no need at the very least for a second bomb in Nagasaki. 0.83

00:20:27.000 The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace before the Atomic Age was announced to the world with the destruction of Hiroshima, and before the Russian entry into the war.

00:20:37.000 The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan.

00:20:44.000 Okay.

00:20:46.000 Here's the truth.

00:20:48.000 Nagasaki had to happen because of exactly what happened after Hiroshima. 0.69

00:20:53.000 In other words, it had to happen because Hiroshima, or sorry, Hiroshima happened.

00:20:56.000 What's the right way?

00:20:57.000 Is it Hiroshima or Hiroshima?

00:20:59.000 I've been corrected no matter which way I say it.

00:21:01.000 I think Hiroshima is how you say it in a British accent.

00:21:04.000 Oh, okay.

00:21:06.000 Hiroshima, you know how they like to make it, but Hiroshima!

00:21:09.000 I try to put myself in their sumo shoes.

00:21:13.000 I try to put myself in their thong.

00:21:17.000 Like you do with Brazilians. 1.00

00:21:20.000 I do the same thing with Japanese.

00:21:21.000 Yes, of course.

00:21:22.000 Either way, it's all a good visual.

00:21:24.000 So, the Japanese leaders after Hiroshima, they didn't believe that the Americans had more than one bomb.

00:21:30.000 And there was no plan for surrender after it happened, to be clear.

00:21:35.000 They didn't offer to surrender until after, uh, I believe it was August 10th.

00:21:39.000 And that was one day, coincidentally, after Nagasaki.

00:21:44.000 Jeez.

00:21:45.000 And there were more leaflets between, I believe, you were talking about.

00:21:47.000 Yes, there were more leaflets before Nagasaki.

00:21:49.000 That was us saying like, hey, we counted to three!

00:21:52.000 Yeah.

00:21:53.000 Two?

00:21:55.000 It sounds like we counted to like 12.

00:21:56.000 Yeah, at that point.

00:21:59.000 11, 12, 28.

00:21:59.000 We kept counting.

00:22:01.000 We gave them every single option.

00:22:02.000 No plans for surrender.

00:22:03.000 They didn't contact us and say, hey, hey, hey, let us think about it.

00:22:06.000 We don't want another city to be, you know, blown up, especially not Kyoto.

00:22:09.000 By the way, we're still not going to surrender.

00:22:11.000 They just didn't do anything.

00:22:12.000 Right.

00:22:13.000 So what is the point?

00:22:14.000 If you are not going to get them to surrender this way, you have to go to the other option, land invasion.

00:22:18.000 Right.

00:22:18.000 Already seen the numbers for that.

00:22:19.000 So drop another one.

00:22:20.000 Yes.

00:22:21.000 And we'll get to numbers on that again when we get to the claim of Russia was basically going to be the catalyst for ending World War II, which they often make and people have made on this very show.

00:22:29.000 And you were also dealing with the people.

00:22:30.000 This is one thing we've talked about.

00:22:31.000 A lot of people just think that the Germans and the Nazis, I should say, Because not every Nazi was a German, not every German was a Nazi, but a lot of people just think that the Nazis were the only people in that war who believed in a superior race.

00:22:43.000 So did the Japanese. 0.99

00:22:45.000 And they believed in a superior pan-Asian race that didn't include the Chinese.

00:22:50.000 So as racist as you think we are here in the United States, you know, if you listen to The Squad or go to Columbia, I don't think you understand that the Japanese and Chinese were far more racist against each other and believed that the other was subhuman and treated them subhumanely. 0.96

00:23:06.000 And by the way, the Japanese believed that they were a superior race, and then of course the Aryans did, which, if that war continued and they were the only men left standing, would have been a very awkward tiebreaker. 0.66

00:23:16.000 Oh, Germany probably would have won that, I'm sorry.

00:23:18.000 Well, I don't know, it's a volume game.

00:23:20.000 It's a height.

00:23:20.000 It's a height game.

00:23:21.000 It's a volume game as well.

00:23:22.000 Height and meth.

00:23:24.000 They didn't invent meth, that's good.

00:23:26.000 They did, they used a lot of meth.

00:23:27.000 Well, that's how they got the kamikaze pilots to go. 0.98

00:23:29.000 They just got the meth out of their mind and just aimed them.

00:23:33.000 Aim them east! 0.99

00:23:35.000 West! 0.99

00:23:35.000 I HATE NINJAS! 0.99

00:23:38.000 The Japanese had meth too. 1.00

00:23:40.000 They all had meth. 0.77

00:23:41.000 They all had unbelievable amphetamines.

00:23:44.000 You're dealing with people, think about what a kamikaze pilot is.

00:23:47.000 They are willing to kill themselves and their leaders are willing to toss their own people to use them as bodies simply for a greater cause, which ultimately includes a superior race.

00:24:00.000 The kamikaze issue with the Japanese, it was very, very difficult.

00:24:04.000 Uh, facing that at that point in time.

00:24:05.000 It was also surprising.

00:24:07.000 Um, and unfortunately, uh, someone in our office, uh, tried using the technique for himself.

00:24:12.000 All right.

00:24:16.000 No pepperoni.

00:24:18.000 No pepperoni?!

00:24:20.000 God!

00:24:21.000 This is the last time they're ever gonna do this to anyone!

00:24:25.000 It just doesn't work in the modern world.

00:24:33.000 Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

00:24:35.000 But it is surprising.

00:24:36.000 It's not surprising to see that at Little Caesars.

00:24:40.000 Wasn't it under the cheese?

00:24:41.000 Don't get us started on that.

00:24:44.000 Toolman, what are you doing?

00:24:46.000 Okay, Canadians, comment below.

00:24:50.000 You may not know this, America, but another argument as to what an abomination to the modern sensibility the Canadian people are.

00:25:00.000 They put their pepperoni under the cheese.

00:25:05.000 You said it like it's crazy, but that's what a deep dish is, isn't it?

00:25:09.000 Well, but you know that it's... You know, it's part of the unwritten agreement that we have with Big Deep Dish.

00:25:15.000 That's right.

00:25:17.000 They just put the pepperoni under the cheese, and I was actually on a film set one time, it was AD, he was liberal, he was a nice guy, and he was talking to me, and he was eating, and as he was talking to me, he's, well, I've been a vegetarian for 19 years, I guess that's over.

00:25:33.000 Oh no, he's going to vegetarian hell.

00:25:34.000 He goes, it's under the cheese.

00:25:34.000 I go, what?

00:25:35.000 It's under the cheese.

00:25:36.000 I go, oh!

00:25:37.000 The pepperoni.

00:25:38.000 Yeah, we do that.

00:25:39.000 Do you put all your toppings under the cheese?

00:25:39.000 Why?

00:25:41.000 No, just pepperoni.

00:25:42.000 Why?

00:25:43.000 Probably because, you know what?

00:25:44.000 Probably they don't like vegans.

00:25:45.000 I don't know.

00:25:46.000 It's kind of funny.

00:25:47.000 It's a sneaky pepperoni.

00:25:48.000 Hold on, if that's the reason, I am now a fan of pepperoni.

00:25:51.000 And it is soggy, and then the oil gets under the cheese.

00:25:54.000 It's just, and we used to call.

00:25:55.000 We used to call in Canada, and we would order a pizza and say, please put the pepperoni on top of the cheese.

00:25:59.000 And in French, in Quebec, they'd be like, On top of the cheese?

00:26:02.000 What the? 0.99

00:26:02.000 You crazy, man? 0.99

00:26:05.000 Everyone knows it goes under the cheese. 0.98

00:26:07.000 You want it soggy, soft, and full of oil.

00:26:10.000 Oil.

00:26:15.000 Please, comment, Canadians.

00:26:17.000 If it's just Quebec, I don't know why. 0.94

00:26:18.000 I don't know why, but we need to drop atomic bombs in Canada. 0.95

00:26:24.000 It's a wacky place. 0.98

00:26:25.000 If it's a troll on vegetarians, then we need to embrace it. 0.83

00:26:29.000 They didn't think that far ahead.

00:26:30.000 I don't think so.

00:26:31.000 I don't think Canadians think that far ahead at all.

00:26:33.000 Just look at their military, and we appreciate all of you.

00:26:36.000 A very small amount.

00:26:37.000 Especially those beaches you get to walk ashore on.

00:26:41.000 We can go back to that another day.

00:26:43.000 It's tough.

00:26:44.000 Here's another claim that you will hear regarding the A-bombs being dropped.

00:26:44.000 All right.

00:26:49.000 The war actually ended.

00:26:50.000 It had nothing to do with the atomic bombs dropped.

00:26:53.000 You'll hear this a lot now through revisionist history.

00:26:56.000 It actually ended and certainly would have ended very quickly because of Russia's intervention.

00:27:02.000 The conventional view supported by orthodox historians mostly follows the mainstream post-war American perspective.

00:27:08.000 that the bombs were the decisive factor in the Japanese surrender.

00:27:08.000 What?!

00:27:12.000 But other historians have argued a different view, that the intervention

00:27:15.000 of the Soviet Union in the Pacific War on August 9th, 1945, the same day as the Nagasaki bombing actually triggered the

00:27:23.000 Japanese surrender and arguably made the bombs unnecessary.

00:27:27.000 What?

00:27:28.000 So the idea that Russia would have ended the war It would have been the reason for the war ending. 0.92

00:27:35.000 We didn't need to drop the bombs.

00:27:37.000 Here's the truth.

00:27:40.000 Maybe.

00:27:42.000 Maybe.

00:27:43.000 And best case scenario, I would return you to our previous point.

00:27:47.000 You still would have been looking at five to ten million Japanese lives lost in a land invasion.

00:27:52.000 Just to be clear, Japan was spared from really this Soviet invasion, if we're going to talk about that in a hypothetical.

00:27:59.000 The Soviets were preparing to invade Occupy Hokkaido, Japan's second largest island.

00:28:04.000 Stalin even asked Truman for permission, but was denied.

00:28:07.000 It's almost like that might be relevant in The bombs being dropped when making a military decision.

00:28:13.000 Two days before that invasion, Stalin then called it off, but it was very clear that that was what they wanted to do. 0.81

00:28:18.000 500,000 Japanese died at the hands of Soviets in Asia after World War II.

00:28:22.000 After.

00:28:23.000 After.

00:28:24.000 Ended.

00:28:24.000 Do you understand what they would have done?

00:28:26.000 Japan kicked the crap out of Russia prior to this. 0.99

00:28:28.000 They were killing people, the Chinese in Manchuria, left and right. 0.99

00:28:31.000 In Korea, they hated them as well. 0.59

00:28:33.000 Russia was coming back for payback. 0.89

00:28:35.000 They were going to do in Japan what they had done through Eastern Europe. 0.72

00:28:35.000 Yes. 0.72

00:28:40.000 On their way to Germany.

00:28:40.000 Yes.

00:28:41.000 More Japanese died at the hands of Russians after World War II than were killed by the A-bombs. 0.99

00:28:46.000 Think of that.

00:28:48.000 500,000 versus about 200,000.

00:28:50.000 Two and a half times!

00:28:51.000 Yeah, think about that.

00:28:53.000 And also, something else to keep in mind, imagine what would have happened once the Soviets had occupied Japan.

00:28:57.000 Look, we can see the Soviet influence anywhere else when you talk about Korea.

00:29:01.000 When you talk about, for example, you talk about Cuba.

00:29:03.000 A weakened Soviet Union, when their communism had influence anywhere, tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people died.

00:29:09.000 And that's not, of course, including the tens of millions who died at the hand of Stalin.

00:29:13.000 So not only were they planning on aggressively going into Japan and killing as many people as they could and writing wrongs and evening the score, but then you have to deal with the influence of communism and the ineptitude and the tens of millions of people who died as a result, whether you look at Stalin, whether you look at Mao.

00:29:29.000 So either way, far more lives would have been lost.

00:29:33.000 It's very important.

00:29:34.000 Here's, by the way, George Kennan also wrote this of the Soviet Union in The Long Telegram, which is a famous, you've probably heard of it, it's not the app, where he said, unlike that of Hitlerite Germany, is neither schematic nor adventuristic, it does not work by fixed plans, it does not take unnecessary risks, impervious to logic of reason, and it is highly sensitive to logic of force.

00:29:56.000 That's what he was writing about the Soviet Union.

00:29:57.000 You can also see what Patton had to say about the Asiatics, not talking about the Japanese, he was talking about the Russians back then.

00:30:04.000 Think about this for a second.

00:30:05.000 To say that anyone who believes or maintains the position that these bombs being dropped is evil is to ignore the far, far greater death count.

00:30:15.000 And that is irrefutable that you would have with a land invasion.

00:30:18.000 It discounts the fact that the United States dropped leaflets on these Japanese cities.

00:30:23.000 It completely omits the fact that you had a Prime Minister who was not planning on surrendering.

00:30:28.000 It completely omits the fact that you had a nation that believed in a superior race, who were happy and willing to torture other Asians, by the way, who didn't get on with their imperialistic view, and attack the United States on its own soil at this point, and they were hell-bent on continuing and marching. 0.69

00:30:42.000 You have to put yourself at that moment in time, and also to be clear, if you read Truman's writings, this is not something he took lightly.

00:30:49.000 And I'm not saying, great leader, I'm not saying he didn't make mistakes, but this is not something where he just wanted to do it.

00:30:54.000 It's not a Raytheon contract and big military.

00:30:56.000 No, this was a big decision at that point in time where, okay, do we want to put an end to this because we know how many lives are going to be lost?

00:31:02.000 I think an argument can be made, maybe both ways, but I just think to say that people who believe it was the right decision are evil, No.

00:31:11.000 You can comment below.

00:31:12.000 I think a little bit of a history lesson is important.

00:31:14.000 And I think that, you know, in this case, I think Mr. Carlson knows that.

00:31:17.000 Yeah.

00:31:18.000 I think he knows that and he's omitting it on purpose because it's a better click.

00:31:20.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:31:22.000 It's going to get a lot more people talking.

00:31:23.000 But he also said something else that made me completely disregard his opinion on this as being somebody who Should know better than to make a point like this.

00:31:31.000 I think we potentially have a video of it if we need to bring it up.

00:31:33.000 But he basically said that the United States should not have nuclear weapons.

00:31:37.000 Right.

00:31:38.000 Why we should not have them in the clip when he was talking with Joe Rogan making the case that the United States.

00:31:43.000 Now, if you want to make the case that nuclear weapons should not exist.

00:31:47.000 Sure.

00:31:47.000 Period.

00:31:49.000 on the planet and that they can't possibly exist.

00:31:52.000 Fine, I can understand the logic behind that.

00:31:54.000 But to say that the United States should not have the weapons

00:31:58.000 and that we should be putting all of our efforts and resources into preventing 1.00

00:32:02.000 things that would necessitate the use of nuclear weapons, that's stupid. 0.99

00:32:06.000 Because other people do have them. 0.99

00:32:09.000 Right.

00:32:09.000 Look at all the countries where they've given up nukes.

00:32:12.000 We had, I think, bases in Ukraine at one point.

00:32:15.000 The United States did, about the Cuban Missile Crisis.

00:32:17.000 That was one of the things I believe that we did.

00:32:18.000 There were some other bases in the area.

00:32:20.000 Don't fact check me if I'm wrong on that. 0.99

00:32:21.000 Shut up. 1.00

00:32:22.000 Just shut up. 1.00

00:32:22.000 And I think Turkey was part of the problem too. 1.00

00:32:24.000 Look at Libya when they gave up their nukes. 0.82

00:32:27.000 Look at North Korea right now.

00:32:28.000 The only reason North Korea isn't just Korea is basically China and that they have nukes in North Korea and will nuke Seoul if they're invaded potentially. 0.78

00:32:37.000 Right.

00:32:37.000 That's it!

00:32:38.000 When people give up their weapons and other people have them, it's a massive problem. 1.00

00:32:43.000 Tucker, you're an idiot for saying that. 1.00

00:32:45.000 I don't need to know anything else you need to say about nukes and World War II. 1.00

00:32:50.000 If you say the United States shouldn't have them, that's naive.

00:32:53.000 You're now in the climate catastrophe group that says everybody else should basically upend their economy, spend trillions of dollars, and kill people for doing it, but China's never going to do anything, and so it's the climate change thing.

00:33:05.000 You're in that group now.

00:33:07.000 You're in the climate change scam group to me, because it's not going to solve itself, because China will never do anything about it. 0.91

00:33:12.000 Same thing with the nukes that other countries have.

00:33:14.000 Well, maybe Tucker means to say that no one should have to- He didn't say that, though!

00:33:17.000 Well, let's go to the clip.

00:33:18.000 Maybe that's what he meant to say.

00:33:19.000 Let me see the clip, and maybe that's what he meant to say.

00:33:22.000 I'm going to turn something off a little bit.

00:33:23.000 I apologize.

00:33:24.000 We need audio.

00:33:25.000 Yeah, we can't just look at his.

00:33:26.000 I mean, I see him.

00:33:27.000 I see him doing stuff.

00:33:28.000 We need audio.

00:33:29.000 Yeah, we can't just look at his.

00:33:30.000 I mean, I see him.

00:33:31.000 With that in mind, like, why would you want nuclear weapons?

00:33:35.000 It's, like, just a mindless, childish sort of intellectual exercise to justify, like, oh no, it's really good because someone else will get it.

00:33:41.000 How about no?

00:33:42.000 How about, like, spending all of your effort to prevent this from happening?

00:33:48.000 Spend more effort on that Partridge family haircut.

00:33:52.000 I'm sorry.

00:33:53.000 If you mean spending the effort on stopping nuclear proliferation abroad, Sure, but let me ask you this.

00:34:00.000 Okay, hypothetical scenario.

00:34:02.000 We get rid of our nukes.

00:34:03.000 All right.

00:34:04.000 Then we spend a bunch of money on trying to get other countries to get rid of their nukes.

00:34:07.000 So you could do that one of, let's just split it into two camps.

00:34:11.000 I know I've been accused of A or B thinking.

00:34:12.000 You could try and do it through diplomacy.

00:34:14.000 Like, hey guys, you got nukes there?

00:34:20.000 You ever think about not having them?

00:34:22.000 I'll get rid of mine if you get rid of yours.

00:34:23.000 No, but we've already gotten rid of ours in this scenario.

00:34:26.000 So, and they say no. 1.00

00:34:29.000 Likely kill you. 1.00

00:34:29.000 Right? 1.00

00:34:31.000 Hopefully don't rape you, but they can, because they can do whatever they want. 1.00

00:34:33.000 They have nukes, you don't. 0.70

00:34:34.000 Okay, situation number two is militarily, let's try and stop, I don't know, places like Iran from using, or proliferating and using nuclear weapons. 0.93

00:34:43.000 Militarily, again, they get to the point where they have nukes and we don't.

00:34:50.000 I don't know, it's kind of one of those choose your own paths book, but every path leads to you being sodomized against your will.

00:34:57.000 I was just going to say death. 0.90

00:34:59.000 Sodomized might be worse. 1.00

00:35:00.000 It's just not realist.

00:35:02.000 It's like playing baseball when only one team has bats.

00:35:06.000 Yeah.

00:35:07.000 It doesn't make any sense to me, and he knows better than that.

00:35:09.000 Well, let me ask you this.

00:35:10.000 Right now, if the United States completely gets rid of our nukes, what do you think happens?

00:35:13.000 We shut down, get rid of our nukes, disarm them tomorrow.

00:35:17.000 Oil stops being sold in dollars immediately.

00:35:20.000 Good point.

00:35:21.000 Comment below what you think happens.

00:35:24.000 Is the world better off for the United States disarming their nuclear weapons tomorrow?

00:35:29.000 I'm curious.

00:35:30.000 Maybe I have a blind spot here.

00:35:32.000 I think that dropping nuclear weapons, I think it was of course a tragedy.

00:35:36.000 A lot of life was lost.

00:35:37.000 I think that given the circumstances, given the history, it made sense at the time and it certainly was a net savings as far as Innocent lives lost.

00:35:46.000 And I think that today, for the United States to disarm their nuclear weapons, to basically destroy them, when we live in a world where other people who would gladly destroy the United States and Western civilization because they have nuclear weapons, I don't see that as a net gain.

00:36:03.000 I don't see how that ends well.

00:36:06.000 As a matter of fact, I can't imagine a scenario where it ends in anything other than innocent lives lost and you no longer living in the United States of America.

00:36:14.000 That's the only conclusion that I can see.

00:36:16.000 Comment below.

00:36:17.000 I could have a blind spot.

00:36:17.000 I could be wrong.

00:36:19.000 But this is one of those things where it just, this is the idea of algorithms and click and a brain that's not even real putting something in front of you and you go, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

00:36:29.000 Let's just think it through.

00:36:30.000 Let's go one click deeper and think it through.

00:36:32.000 I think it's important.

00:36:33.000 And we make all the references available at loudearthcreditor.com.

00:36:36.000 I know a scenario where it makes sense to get rid of all the nukes.

00:36:38.000 Globalism.

00:36:40.000 Everyone under one flag, why you need nukes?

00:36:42.000 Yep.

00:36:43.000 Oh, how convenient.

00:36:45.000 I mean, I don't see how you can't, you would basically have to apply it to, I don't think anyone should have a gun.

00:36:49.000 I think you should focus on making sure that nobody else has guns.

00:36:52.000 It's the same argument being used at that point.

00:36:55.000 Okay, but again, if I don't have a gun and someone has a gun who has openly said they want to harm me, I really only have two ways to approach them and attempt to disarm them.

00:37:05.000 Through talking it out, in which case I likely get sodomized against my will, or through some kind of, well, in his case, armed conflict and me unarmed conflict, in which case it likely ends with me being sodomized against my will.

00:37:16.000 Who are you fighting that does sodomy as the punishment? 0.99

00:37:19.000 Well, it's old sodomy, Stephen.

00:37:23.000 Sounds like you know him. 1.00

00:37:24.000 It's like, if I lose the war, kill me and be done with it. 0.98

00:37:30.000 No, no, no, sir.

00:37:31.000 We're gonna take our time.

00:37:32.000 We got things to do.

00:37:35.000 We clearly had a plan.

00:37:36.000 You've earned this.

00:37:37.000 They'll get there.

00:37:40.000 I don't, it's one of those things where if I see people even echoing, I go, I just, I just, maybe I have a blind spot and I'm more than happy to entertain it.

00:37:48.000 And none of this happens, by the way, without you.

00:37:50.000 Yeah.

00:37:50.000 Mug Club, $89 annually, ladderwithcredit.com slash mug club.

00:37:53.000 Or you can go Mugless for $9 a month.

00:37:56.000 And hey, you know what?

00:37:56.000 We have people there at Mug Club who share Tucker's view.

00:38:00.000 Isn't that wonderful?

00:38:01.000 And we're still friends.

00:38:02.000 And we all get to work together because, well, we work well together, but we don't play well with others.

00:38:02.000 We are.

00:38:07.000 So it's fun, and neither do you.

00:38:09.000 We appreciate the support.

00:38:10.000 And of course, we have the investigative unit right now working on some pretty interesting, chasing down some pretty interesting leads.

00:38:14.000 Okay.

00:38:15.000 Speaking of interesting, I don't know if you know this, but Columbia University, not the country, It's basically a terrorist sleeper cell at this point.

00:38:27.000 So this is what we're dealing with.

00:38:28.000 You've probably seen this on social media, but I'd like to put a timeline on it and clarify to you exactly what's going on. 0.98

00:38:34.000 And let's also bring the attention back to the fact that the people, every time you see one of these assholes, and allow me to rephrase, assholes out there, protesting saying we are Hamas and basically a full-throated defense of October 7th and you see Jews being harassed on campus. 0.98

00:38:51.000 I want you to remember that this administration wants to forgive these assholes of their loans through your tax dollars. 0.98

00:38:59.000 So don't separate yourself from what's happening here like oh my gosh crazy because you'll see this like man that's why they've lost their mind in San Francisco Columbia you couldn't pay me to go there no no you're paying so someone else can go there And do exactly what you see on X right now. 0.96

00:39:16.000 That's your money. 0.99

00:39:17.000 As a matter of fact, one could argue the only reason they're able to be professional assholes, allow me to rephrase, professional assholes, is through your tax dollars. 0.99

00:39:26.000 And sometimes we just separate it. 0.99

00:39:27.000 Again, that thirty-five, thirty-four, sorry, trillion dollars of debt.

00:39:31.000 So, let's go through this, and I don't use this term loosely as far as actually anti-Semitic, what's going on right now.

00:39:37.000 Actual hatred of Jews.

00:39:39.000 These pro-Hamas, not pro-Palestine, pro-Hamas protests have been going on at Columbia University now for a while, and now they've turned into full-on encampments, like Chaz. 0.87

00:39:49.000 Remember Chaz?

00:39:50.000 That ended swimmingly.

00:39:52.000 Chop.

00:39:53.000 Chaz became Chop?

00:39:54.000 I can't remember which one it ended up in.

00:39:56.000 It was a Chop that became Chaz.

00:39:57.000 Anyway, you remember this.

00:39:58.000 This is in Seattle area.

00:40:00.000 That's what's happening in Columbia.

00:40:01.000 So here's just a montage to sort of brief you on this encampment and kind of the greatest hits

00:40:07.000 this is.

00:40:26.000 Yes it is.

00:40:27.000 We can send them there.

00:40:28.000 out with sleeping bags and umbrellas. The Gaza Solidarity encampment was cleared

00:40:33.000 out on Thursday. The university called police in because it said students were

00:40:37.000 violating school rules and creating a harassing environment.

00:40:42.000 More than a hundred arrests were made. That didn't stop students from

00:40:45.000 starting to look like Gaza.

00:40:46.000 And rebuilding their demonstrations. We can send them there.

00:40:49.000 Those tents they bought at REI. Their student loan or their daddy's money.

00:40:56.000 Or our money.

00:40:57.000 Taxpayer funded.

00:40:58.000 Some of those tents are quite lavish, actually.

00:40:58.000 Right.

00:41:05.000 It's like a four-person tent.

00:41:05.000 They are?

00:41:07.000 Also, Ilhan Omar's daughter was amongst those arrested and suspended.

00:41:11.000 No word yet from her uncle slash dad.

00:41:13.000 So it took...

00:41:17.000 She married her brother! 1.00

00:41:19.000 I don't care what Snopes says, you can see the marriage certificate, we've provided it to you ad nauseum.

00:41:24.000 Every now and then, wait, she married her brother and no one brings it up?

00:41:28.000 Wait, Eric Swalwell is still a representative?

00:41:29.000 Wasn't he banging Chinese spies?

00:41:32.000 Only multiple?

00:41:33.000 The answer is yes!

00:41:35.000 It's yes!

00:41:38.000 It took this administration five days to do anything, and all they did was condemn the anti-semitism, not the actual violent protests not the actual assaults and harassment going on just to condemn kind of anti-semitism in general they have not been very firm and of course the media gushed and said wow what a great response from the wonderful unifier

00:41:58.000 And here's something important, because right now you're seeing this on campus, and you're seeing it on multiple campuses.

00:42:04.000 There was a guy who was stabbed in the eye with, I believe, a Palestine flag at Yale.

00:42:08.000 Geez.

00:42:09.000 Yeah.

00:42:10.000 Think about that for a second.

00:42:11.000 Whoa.

00:42:11.000 Stabbed in the eye at Yale?

00:42:12.000 With a flag post.

00:42:14.000 Not in jail, at Yale.

00:42:15.000 Yeah, I know.

00:42:15.000 At Yale.

00:42:16.000 Oh, you're doing the Puerto Rican way. 0.99

00:42:17.000 I went to Yale.

00:42:18.000 It's pronounced jail.

00:42:19.000 Uh-huh.

00:42:20.000 Got an eight-year degree.

00:42:21.000 Yes.

00:42:23.000 So when asked about these protesters, what they try and do is pivot and say, yeah, yeah, yeah, but he was worse.

00:42:27.000 He was worse.

00:42:27.000 And the media then, of course, carries their water.

00:42:30.000 Karine Jean-Pierre said, you know, yeah, Hamas, something, something, Colombia.

00:42:34.000 But, you know, what inspired former Vice President Biden to become president was Charlottesville.

00:42:38.000 This actually happened.

00:42:39.000 Believe your lion eyes.

00:42:40.000 And the reason why he ran has been very clear about what he witnessed in Charlottesville.

00:42:45.000 Let's not forget what we saw, the anti-Semitism, the bigotry, the hate that we saw in the street of Charlottesville.

00:42:51.000 Biden's so selfless.

00:42:53.000 Yes.

00:42:54.000 Ma'am, I believe the question was about Hamas and Columbia University.

00:43:00.000 Can you tell us about Uncle Joe's dad being eaten alive in World War II?

00:43:04.000 Well, that's what they did there.

00:43:05.000 He did say it.

00:43:06.000 Cannibalism.

00:43:06.000 Yes.

00:43:07.000 Was he talking about the Andes?

00:43:10.000 Apparently that's where it all happened.

00:43:11.000 No, it's different.

00:43:14.000 This brings me back to the media still keeps us alive, just like January 6th.

00:43:18.000 Charlottesville.

00:43:20.000 Praising white supremacists.

00:43:20.000 Charlottesville.

00:43:22.000 Donald Trump.

00:43:23.000 Charlottesville. 0.99

00:43:23.000 Praising white racists. 0.99

00:43:24.000 Neo-Nazis. 1.00

00:43:25.000 Charlottesville.

00:43:26.000 Trump.

00:43:27.000 Here's the thing, and this is why correcting this lie always matters, because they try.

00:43:32.000 It's like a turd in a punch bowl. 0.90

00:43:33.000 Donald Trump, at that moment in time, in real time, directly addressed and condemned, in no uncertain terms, neo-nazis and white supremacists. Here's what the media 0.93

00:43:45.000 does not show you. I know you've seen it, but this is just so you can share it with other people who

00:43:49.000 still believe that line.

00:43:50.000 You also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group,

00:43:58.000 excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures as you did.

00:44:02.000 You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of to them a very, very

00:44:08.000 important statue. And I'm not talking about the neo-nazis and the white nationalists because they

00:44:13.000 should be condemned totally. 0.80

00:44:15.000 Pretty clear.

00:44:18.000 So, the equivalent from Joe Biden or Kareem Jean-Pierre would be, of course, anyone on campus, whether it's Yale, Columbia, saying that they are pro-Hamas in any capacity, or calling for the destruction of Israel, or occupying giant swaths of the campus, making Jews uncomfortable because they want to make Jewish students uncomfortable.

00:44:39.000 Of course, all of those people, including Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, the anti-Semitic troops, they are there to be condemned completely and totally.

00:44:49.000 If she were to say that, then she could say, and of course we also believe that there are two sides to every issue, and there are some people who believe in, you know, different history or different sort of allotments of land as it deals with Palestine and Israel.

00:45:00.000 No, no, but you have to start with stabbing someone in the eye with a Palestine flag needs to be condemned totally. 0.97

00:45:05.000 What's happening in Colombia, the violent protest, needs to be condemned totally.

00:45:09.000 That would be the equivalent to what President Trump did then.

00:45:13.000 But of course the media still wants you to believe that he never did that, right?

00:45:16.000 They try and tell you that he supported and defended white supremacists.

00:45:19.000 So that that way you don't have the contrast available to you of this administration not condemning with the same kind of zeal these terrorists?

00:45:30.000 I don't know.

00:45:31.000 I say terrorists, but you know what?

00:45:33.000 You be the judge.

00:45:34.000 This is what's been going on on campus.

00:45:39.000 We are the people who shall not be slain.

00:45:47.000 Remember the 7th of October!

00:45:49.000 Never forget the 7th of October!

00:45:51.000 Never forget the 7th of October!

00:45:53.000 Not 1 more time!

00:45:54.000 Not 5 more times!

00:45:55.000 Not 10 more times!

00:45:56.000 Not 100 more times!

00:45:58.000 Not 1,000 more times!

00:45:59.000 Not 10,000 times!

00:46:04.000 Now see, when I first watched that clip, before I got to the very end, I thought it was going to go this way.

00:46:10.000 October 7th!

00:46:11.000 Remember October 7th!

00:46:12.000 I'm thinking he's going to say, like, never forget.

00:46:14.000 You know, October 7th, not one more time, not two more times, not ten more times, but never again!

00:46:22.000 Yeah, no.

00:46:23.000 That's what I thought he was going to say.

00:46:24.000 I said, but ten thousand more times!

00:46:24.000 Exactly.

00:46:27.000 I'm like, oh shit, he's a terrorist. 1.00

00:46:30.000 I love how his buddy next to him that was trying to chant was, when he got to 100, he's like, I gotta break in. 1.00

00:46:34.000 I don't know where this guy's gonna stop.

00:46:35.000 Well, he couldn't count.

00:46:36.000 That's what it was.

00:46:37.000 He's like, I don't know what comes next.

00:46:38.000 A hundred?

00:46:39.000 Thousand?

00:46:39.000 Ten thousand?

00:46:40.000 Two million?

00:46:41.000 Not a hundred more times?

00:46:42.000 Ten million?

00:46:42.000 He was only at tens, by the way.

00:46:44.000 Yeah, he was only going by tens.

00:46:45.000 That's true.

00:46:46.000 He was very Canadian.

00:46:47.000 Very metric, you know.

00:46:48.000 One million more times!

00:46:49.000 Ten million more times!

00:46:50.000 Okay, look, if someone on campus with their face covered advocates for October 7th any more times, no student loan forgiveness at very least, and I also think they should be in a padded cell.

00:47:00.000 How about that?

00:47:01.000 Not one dollar forgiven!

00:47:03.000 Not ten dollars forgiven!

00:47:04.000 Not a hundred!

00:47:06.000 You get it.

00:47:07.000 Yes!

00:47:07.000 Nothing!

00:47:09.000 No gender studies degrees forgiven! 0.99

00:47:11.000 No!

00:47:12.000 And of course, here we are this morning, the Columbia president forced all of their students to go remote because of the threats that are taking place.

00:47:21.000 And here's another key fact that I think you guys kind of need to keep in mind.

00:47:25.000 It sucks, but Columbia brought this on itself in a lot of ways.

00:47:28.000 You know, Columbia, they went completely full DEI after George Floyd. 0.95

00:47:33.000 To give you an idea, we can bring up this reference here.

00:47:35.000 They started upping the recruitment of underrepresented groups, and they have the lowest, as a result, percentage of white students of all Ivy League schools.

00:47:43.000 Wow.

00:47:43.000 They have the highest percent of international students of all Ivy League schools.

00:47:47.000 They've been prioritizing activism over education for a very long time.

00:47:54.000 They're They're pass or fail over there in Columbia.

00:48:20.000 Oh, I'm sure.

00:48:21.000 Jokes on both of you.

00:48:22.000 They don't believe in standardized testing.

00:48:24.000 Oh, no.

00:48:25.000 It's all based on your thesis.

00:48:27.000 And they don't check for grammar, either.

00:48:29.000 Or cover letter.

00:48:30.000 What is it that you write?

00:48:31.000 You have to write an essay?

00:48:32.000 Bibliography.

00:48:34.000 I don't know.

00:48:34.000 I have no idea.

00:48:35.000 A thesis?

00:48:35.000 I don't know what the... I didn't go to college.

00:48:37.000 Wow.

00:48:37.000 That's okay.

00:48:38.000 Neither did these kids.

00:48:38.000 PPS report?

00:48:42.000 This idea that now it's like college-educated versus not.

00:48:45.000 It's a completely irrelevant question at this point.

00:48:48.000 It's like when you fill out the gun form and it says, what's your race?

00:48:50.000 White, Caucasian. 0.93

00:48:51.000 Then it also asks you to check off not Latino, which I will say is the one kind of racist policy I think we still have here in the United States.

00:48:59.000 Yeah, that's a weird one, right?

00:49:00.000 What is up with the white, non-Latino? 1.00

00:49:03.000 Can't they just be their own people? 0.96

00:49:04.000 It's two times they ask you.

00:49:05.000 They're not like, are you white? 0.56

00:49:06.000 Like, are you sure you're not Asian?

00:49:10.000 So, this is also something important to keep in mind when you see this.

00:49:15.000 You're paying for it, right?

00:49:17.000 These are the same kids who demand that you pay off their student loans.

00:49:20.000 Hey, look, protesting or civil disobedience usually means you have some skin in the game, and this is how you know these people aren't actually protesting.

00:49:28.000 This is how you know these people aren't real, in the sense that none of this is Let me think.

00:49:37.000 They're professional protesters who would be protesting anything they could find so long as they didn't have to risk anything.

00:49:42.000 If you go to Selma, you have people who are being arrested, you have people who are being bitten by German shepherds and hit with fire hoses because they wanted to eat a piece of pie at the diner.

00:49:50.000 Look at Rosa Parks! 0.99

00:49:52.000 And having to get, well actually in her case she didn't even have to get up off her ass, but you understand what I'm saying. 0.98

00:49:57.000 She had something to risk at that point in time. 0.98

00:50:00.000 Harriet Tubman, you look at the civil rights, you look at even the women's suffrage movement, right? 0.61

00:50:04.000 These were people who were being imprisoned at that point in time.

00:50:07.000 These were people who were having the IRS at one point, you know, close in on them.

00:50:12.000 Right now you're dealing with people on these campuses who have no skin in the game.

00:50:16.000 They've never paid taxes.

00:50:18.000 They're on campus and they're demanding that you foot the bill for their professional protesting.

00:50:24.000 There's no risk for them.

00:50:26.000 Not at all.

00:50:27.000 That's not a protest.

00:50:28.000 That's not civil disobedience. 0.98

00:50:29.000 That's you being a leech.

00:50:31.000 It's a very, very different dynamic. 0.91

00:50:33.000 I've talked about this in the past with immigration.

00:50:35.000 They say, what about the Statue of Liberty?

00:50:36.000 Bring us your cold, your tired, your hungry, your poor.

00:50:39.000 I get it.

00:50:40.000 Very, very different when people are leaving their country, coming to this country, because they're taking a risk with no promise of anything in return. 0.98

00:50:47.000 The only promise is freedom.

00:50:49.000 You want to go to this land of opportunity, you take your own chance.

00:50:55.000 Dynamic change, right?

00:50:55.000 That from a modern welfare state.

00:50:58.000 There's pre-welfare state immigration, post-welfare state immigration.

00:51:02.000 Two very different things.

00:51:04.000 There's you're risking your skin, your finances, right?

00:51:10.000 You have some skin in the game, civil disobedience, protest, and none of that while demanding you get paid to do it.

00:51:19.000 Through the taxpayer dime.

00:51:20.000 Two very, very different dynamics.

00:51:22.000 One, even if I disagree with the reason for protest, is respectable.

00:51:26.000 Because it's someone making a stand.

00:51:28.000 What stand are you making when you don't believe you should take responsibility for the loans that you took out for a degree that nobody wants while you sit there and harass Jews on campus?

00:51:38.000 What risk?

00:51:40.000 How can I respect that?

00:51:41.000 So really quickly, as much as I want you to excoriate these people even further, our guest is ready and does have kind of a hard out, so we probably need to jump down to that and then come back to this maybe for Mug Club if we want to... Okay, one final quick point, right?

00:51:54.000 These kids, Columbia students, they have the second highest average debt in all of Ivy League schools, just to be clear.

00:51:59.000 And all this is crazy because at the exact same time in Gaza, Hamas has been holding protests against gender studies degrees.

00:52:05.000 So it's one of the... Look, hey, we all have our reasons.

00:52:08.000 At least they have skin in the game.

00:52:12.000 Okay, we have our guest on right now?

00:52:13.000 We do.

00:52:14.000 Alright, so maybe we can run some of these clips with Mr. Eduardo Bolsonaro regarding South America.

00:52:19.000 This man, of course, is one of the most popular men in Brazil.

00:52:22.000 Let me make sure I have his title correct.

00:52:25.000 He's actually, well, he actually received 1.9 million votes being a member of Brazil's Chamber of Deputies.

00:52:37.000 I guess most votes in 2018, 1.9 million votes, the most votes for any legislator in Brazilian history.

00:52:43.000 Some would say popular.

00:52:43.000 That's fantastic.

00:52:45.000 And now we have Eduardo Bolsonaro on this program.

00:52:47.000 Apparently a lot of people in Brazil.

00:52:48.000 There's an uprising there right now.

00:52:49.000 You're seeing this across South America.

00:52:51.000 And I'd love to ask him more, but why did I say I'd love to ask him?

00:52:54.000 I'm about to ask him.

00:52:54.000 Let's bring on Eduardo Bolsonaro.

00:52:54.000 Well, you will.

00:52:56.000 ♪ Mr. Bolsonaro, can you hear me and see me, sir?

00:53:06.000 Yes, Steve.

00:53:07.000 Thank you very much for the opportunity to talk with your great audience.

00:53:10.000 I'm very sad because Rumble is not here in Brazil anymore, and I really appreciate that you are now on YouTube, I guess because of me and the Brazilian audience.

00:53:20.000 Thank you for that.

00:53:21.000 No, I appreciate it.

00:53:22.000 And we're largely on Rumble because I'm sure we'll be banned here on YouTube very shortly.

00:53:27.000 So, Mr. Bolsonaro, first off, can you tell people, for people here in the States, I know people in Brazil are very familiar with you, but for people in the States, kind of who you are, your background, just a snapshot, because I think it's pretty cool.

00:53:40.000 Thank you, thank you.

00:53:41.000 I'm the third son of President Jair Bolsonaro.

00:53:44.000 I'm a lawyer, also a federal police officer, which in Brazil, we do not have the same work of the feds that you have in the United States.

00:53:52.000 It's a totally different work.

00:53:53.000 We take care of the border, drugs, airports, ports, and some other federal crimes.

00:54:00.000 And since 2014, I'm a federal representative.

00:54:05.000 In the house here in Brazil, and in 2018 I became the most voted ever congressman in the history of Brazil, and I'm also former chairman of the Foreign Affairs and National Defense Committee.

00:54:17.000 So that's it, I guess.

00:54:19.000 That's all!

00:54:21.000 I had a lot of other stories to talk to you about, but in general, that's it.

00:54:25.000 That's your resume.

00:54:26.000 It's short, as you say.

00:54:27.000 It's a short resume, but it's okay.

00:54:30.000 So, look, you are in Brazil, and right now in South America we see this Groundswell, right?

00:54:34.000 We just saw these protests in the streets of Brazil over the left-wing president Lula and then we saw in Colombia protests over the left-wing president Gustavo Petro.

00:54:43.000 We'll show some of these clips later or you can maybe bring it up as b-roll if you want to put it on silent so we don't distract from it here.

00:54:49.000 I'd like to ask you, do you have an update on, yeah look at these protests for crying out loud, on this last weekend's protests in Brazil?

00:54:56.000 Because a lot of Americans have not been following that.

00:54:58.000 They don't understand, you know, what's been happening in Brazil and of course Bolsonaro, your father, immensely popular.

00:55:04.000 It's unbelievable the size of it.

00:55:09.000 Yes, and it shows a lot of not only the support for Bolsonaro, remembering that my father, he's not the president anymore, and the Superior Electoral Court decided in a record time that he's not capable anymore to run for president in the next election of 2026.

00:55:25.000 And this is not because he was accused of Still something, bribery, nothing like that.

00:55:32.000 It's because he had a meeting with ambassadors and he criticized the electoral process of Brazil.

00:55:38.000 So in Brazil there are some things that you cannot debate, like vaccines, like electoral process, and things like that.

00:55:47.000 Because actually, the people who are controlling Brazil, and I have to tell you, the Justice from the Supreme Court, Alexandre de Moraes, who is also the President of the Superior Electoral Court in Brazil, he decides about what you can talk and about what you cannot talk in social media.

00:56:06.000 So this is the problem.

00:56:07.000 They want their Very aggressive, trying to control the society, trying to control the debate.

00:56:13.000 And this is hurting even Elon Musk.

00:56:15.000 Elon Musk is having a problem now because he's saying that he was receiving some orders from this justice, Alexandre de Moraes, to block people on social media in two hours. And if he doesn't do that, he

00:56:30.000 will receive a fine of $20,000 every day. And it happened mainly in the electoral time in

00:56:38.000 Brazil, in October of 2022. So this is the mess coming out there now in Brazil by the voice of 0.99

00:56:46.000 Elon Musk. And he said that when this justice from the Supreme Court was ordering acts

00:56:54.000 to block profiles, to block users, he was saying that to the users do not know that

00:57:01.000 these orders were coming from Right.

00:57:05.000 So he was saying, hey, block these people, but do not let them know that me, Alexandre de Moraes, is blocking them.

00:57:11.000 Right.

00:57:12.000 And this is only one of the illegal things that he done.

00:57:15.000 Well he's actually pushing now, Marias, for people who don't know, pushing for a complete ban on X altogether to fight so-called, what he says, you know, digital militias and Rumble is no longer available in Brazil because they've been asked, you know, we've talked about this, they've been asked to remove certain content creators and they say that they won't actually play ball with that.

00:57:33.000 Let me ask you this, given that that's kind of what's going on and that Lula, you know, the current person in charge, has some control over media in Brazil, How are Brazilian citizens able to get both sides of the story right now?

00:57:45.000 Because given all that, it's shocking to see that many people in the street, let alone anyone at all, considering the control of media that they seem to have in the left right there in Brazil.

00:57:56.000 Did you remember, Steve, in the beginning of the WhatsApp, when you have the possibility to forward messages as many people as you'd like to do forward?

00:58:04.000 Yes, my grandmother at that point would forward me pictures of a prairie dog's testicles, so I wasn't a huge fan, but that was just, that was with the internet.

00:58:15.000 Imagine that, a company that works with communication, reducing the capability of their tools to do communication with others. 0.55

00:58:24.000 Everything about that, I do believe it was trying to reduce the power of not only Jerry Bolsonaro, but all of the other conservatives in Brazil and maybe all around the world.

00:58:36.000 Because we are doing great in social media.

00:58:38.000 And with the social media, it was the content necessary to bring up some light and stop with the monopoly of the information of the mainstream media.

00:58:49.000 So if you follow what is going on in Brazil, first they try to say that you are fascist, nazi, racist and all of that.

00:58:57.000 And it didn't work. 0.82

00:58:59.000 Now they're trying to censor you.

00:59:01.000 And here in Brazil, they are bringing people to the prison because of that.

00:59:06.000 And I'm not only talking about the January 8th that we had here in Brazil.

00:59:10.000 That pretty much looks like what you had in the United States on January 6th.

00:59:13.000 But here in Brazil, no one died.

00:59:15.000 There was no weapon.

00:59:17.000 Not even one gun seized.

00:59:19.000 Not even one shot.

00:59:21.000 Absolutely nothing.

00:59:22.000 And a lot of people that went to the prison here in Brazil, they arrested in the same day almost 2,000 people.

00:59:28.000 A big part of them, they were camped in front of a military headquarters, kilometers far away from the Three Powers Square, where happened the invasion of the Congress, of our White House, and the Supreme Court.

00:59:42.000 So what they are basically trying to do is to kill a spontaneous movement.

00:59:48.000 That was leaded, or actually is leaded, by Jerry Bolsonaro.

00:59:52.000 So when Bolsonaro goes to the streets and calls people to protest together with him in Copacabana Beach, like yesterday, what we are showing to the people is, OK, if it was a fair election that we had in 2022, what are the voters and the supporters of the number one, the guy who won the election, Lula da Silva?

01:00:10.000 It's unbelievable because he has no support.

01:00:10.000 Right.

01:00:14.000 And my father, he has a huge support still if he's not non-eligible.

01:00:19.000 Right.

01:00:20.000 Since they've made him ineligible at this point, and of course they've done this with the sort of tacit support of the United States government, right?

01:00:20.000 Well, let me ask you this.

01:00:27.000 They're obviously far more Lula fans than Bolsonaro.

01:00:29.000 It's just interesting that anyone in our government would have a dog in that fight.

01:00:32.000 Raises questions and certainly seems to be, I guess, eerily similar to the election here in the United States.

01:00:37.000 How are people like you and your dad in Brazil?

01:00:40.000 Because in the United States, a lot of people here feel as though they're helpless to fight

01:00:43.000 back policy-wise, right?

01:00:44.000 We just saw 60 billion go to Ukraine.

01:00:46.000 But they do feel as though, okay, at least we can speak on X now and rumble as an alternative.

01:00:50.000 So there's something there.

01:00:52.000 With you guys, you don't have access to rumble.

01:00:53.000 They're trying to ban X.

01:00:54.000 Your dad's been made ineligible.

01:00:57.000 What is it that you guys are doing or can do to fight back against this corrupt government's

01:01:01.000 actions?

01:01:02.000 We have to be smart, because at least they have to use any kind of thing, even legal

01:01:10.000 things, to bring you some problems, to put you inside of investigations of the federal

01:01:15.000 police or something like that.

01:01:17.000 For example, there is a congressman like me, his name is Daniel Silveira.

01:01:22.000 He's in jail now.

01:01:23.000 And why he's in jail?

01:01:24.000 Because he recorded a video talking bad words for the Supreme Court justices.

01:01:29.000 So, he was at home, He recorded a video saying bad words for the Supreme Court justices, and he went to the prison.

01:01:38.000 He's convicted for almost nine years in jail because of this video.

01:01:44.000 At that time, my father was president of Brazil, and my father gave him the presidential pardon.

01:01:51.000 But when my father, he stepped out from the presidency, what the Supreme Court did?

01:01:57.000 They overturned the presidential pardon and bring back again Daniel Silveira to prison.

01:02:03.000 So nowadays he is in prison, okay?

01:02:07.000 This is a message that we, senators and federal representatives, doesn't matter, we have no immunity to talk, to speak whatever we want.

01:02:17.000 So we have to be very smart, very careful what we are doing.

01:02:22.000 Sometimes we can do things that we cannot publish or tell people that we are doing, not because they are illegal, but to not show this strategy to our enemies.

01:02:33.000 Because if they have the chance, they will destroy you.

01:02:37.000 Just what they did with, for example, Paulo Figueiredo, that had an interview a couple of days ago.

01:02:44.000 He is from the United States, but as Alexandre de Moraes cannot extradite him, he cancelled his passport So here in Brazil, what I do is I have to control what I'm talking and bring to the people the same message using other words.

01:03:04.000 And only to finish with this issue, when Elon Musk started to talk about what happened behind the scenes during the election times in Brazil, you know, these bizarre orders coming from the Supreme Court, Alexandre de Moraes now, he named it, he appointed Elon Musk inside of a federal investigation.

01:03:25.000 So Elon Musk is inside, is under investigation in Brazil by the Brazilian FBI.

01:03:31.000 Yesterday came up what we call here a police report saying that... We call it that here too.

01:03:41.000 Yeah, it's, it's, they use that to prepare For the judicial process, okay?

01:03:47.000 So very likely tomorrow I'll be in the same situation as Elon Musk.

01:03:51.000 But Elon Musk lives in the United States, I live here, and this is a problem.

01:03:54.000 That's scary.

01:03:55.000 They made a report saying that I am reorganizing together with other congressmen the international network of the extremists.

01:04:03.000 You know, I don't know if it sounds familiar for you, but they're saying that the problem is here in Brazil is the same virus that we have in the United States.

01:04:11.000 But the problem is that we have less antibodies.

01:04:14.000 And this is the problem.

01:04:16.000 If Trump is facing some unfair trials in New York, if he had this mugshot in Georgia, if I'm not wrong, here in Brazil, the risk is what the level is A little bit ahead. Yeah, the risk here is you go to the

01:04:33.000 jail. Of course, you go for example to bolivia The former president of bolivia. She's in jail. Janina. Yes.

01:04:39.000 Why because Anti-democratic acts so right depending the level of the

01:04:43.000 things you can go to the jail And face some trials, right? Well, and then you see what's

01:04:48.000 happening, you know in colombia And let me ask you this because I know there's been a huge

01:04:52.000 rivalry. I know largely soccer-based brazil argentina Uh, but with malay, do you feel conflicted now? Do you

01:04:58.000 think like? All right, we're kind of frenzy even though we have hated each other for a long time.

01:05:03.000 Bye.

01:05:05.000 But anyway, he's doing great because his chancellor, Diana Mondino, she offered refugee or asylum for the Twitter ex-employees that are under risk to go to the jail because of Alexandre de Moraes.

01:05:18.000 Right.

01:05:19.000 And she tweeted on that.

01:05:21.000 She posted on X that we share the same.

01:05:23.000 Everybody who shares the value of the liberty and the freedom, they are more than welcome to come here to Argentina.

01:05:30.000 We are going to protect you.

01:05:31.000 And it was great.

01:05:32.000 Yeah.

01:05:33.000 And it shows how important it is to have friends here in the region.

01:05:36.000 And it shows even more how important it is to elect Donald Trump this year in November in the United States.

01:05:43.000 The election of Donald Trump will shift back again, not only the United States, but the whole region to the right wing, to run away from the China government, to run away from the socialist government that wants to control everybody.

01:05:56.000 Because if you see the problems that rumble they are having in Brazil, you have in Australia, you have in France, so this virus is going everywhere all around the world.

01:06:05.000 What makes Brazil special is because in Brazil this virus is coming from the judiciary and in the other countries it comes from

01:06:13.000 the administration, the federal government that they have. And more than that, finishing

01:06:18.000 this comment here, Steve, is because Michael Schellenberg, who is the journalist who

01:06:23.000 is launching everything about the Twitter Files Brazil scandal, he said that now the Judiciary

01:06:29.000 Committee, they are putting their energy to see if the State Department of the United

01:06:35.000 States somehow helped.

01:06:37.000 Now The Alexandre de Moraes, the Supreme Court and the Superior Electoral Court.

01:06:44.000 And even more than that, because they can be together with the British intelligence.

01:06:50.000 It would not be a surprise for us, especially you, you Americans, because you saw what happened with the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop case when the FBI asked for some media to not... Right, they asked him to suppress it.

01:07:06.000 Oh boy.

01:07:08.000 Oh, there you are.

01:07:09.000 Sorry, your connection cut out for a second.

01:07:12.000 But yes, I heard what you were saying about the Hunter Biden laptop story.

01:07:15.000 Yes, so I know you wanted to finish, but no, you're absolutely right.

01:07:17.000 That was, as a matter of fact, on our show.

01:07:18.000 We've talked about this.

01:07:20.000 It was revealed for the first time physically.

01:07:21.000 Rudy Giuliani was on our show and he said, you know, and that's the Hunter Biden laptop.

01:07:24.000 I said, wait, wait, that's the laptop?

01:07:26.000 The FBI didn't want it.

01:07:26.000 He goes, yeah, it's right here.

01:07:28.000 They came, took everything in my apartment.

01:07:29.000 They didn't take that.

01:07:30.000 That was the only thing the FBI was not interested in.

01:07:32.000 And we were shocked at that point in time.

01:07:34.000 Yeah, just that one thing can change an election.

01:07:36.000 And then, of course, like you said in Brazil, you add the power of the judiciary there.

01:07:40.000 I mean, it's very relevant when you have a current former vice president who wants to pack, meaning add seats to the Supreme Court.

01:07:46.000 They've made it known in no uncertain terms that they want to give more authority.

01:07:51.000 To the court, provided it's created in their image.

01:07:54.000 So, the best place to find you, where I know on X, is Bolsonaro SP.

01:07:58.000 Is there anywhere else that someone can follow you and kind of stay on top of it in case they ban X in Brazil?

01:08:06.000 I have all the regular medias, Facebook, Instagram, Instagram, Bolsonaro, SP, SP2, and I do appreciate, Steve, for the opportunity that you are giving to me.

01:08:20.000 And I'll be in DC, at the Capitol, for the hearing of Elon Musk on 7th or May 8th, not sure about the date.

01:08:28.000 But we will be around, because we think that it's only the top of the iceberg, what we are looking now.

01:08:32.000 Things are going to be really worse on the next chapters of this story.

01:08:38.000 Well, hopefully we can connect with you, and whenever you come stateside, bring as many Brazilian women as possible. 1.00

01:08:44.000 We appreciate it very much.

01:08:45.000 Look, everyone knows this about Brazil.

01:08:47.000 Anyone who travels, like in Brazil, I don't know, there's born models.

01:08:51.000 Mr. Bolsonaro, I appreciate it.

01:08:52.000 I know you're busy, brother.

01:08:53.000 I'll talk to you soon.

01:08:56.000 Thank you, Sid.

01:08:57.000 God bless you.

01:08:57.000 Thank you all the best.

01:08:58.000 Alright, God bless you.

01:08:59.000 well this has been Eduardo Bolsonaro everybody.

01:08:59.000 Be well.

01:09:07.000 Really quickly before we move on.

01:09:08.000 So I didn't understand what he was saying.

01:09:09.000 He was saying he knew about our Steven Crowder Brazil channel that we launched.

01:09:13.000 Our YouTube channel that we launched in Portuguese.

01:09:16.000 Yeah.

01:09:16.000 So that we could reach that audience down there.

01:09:18.000 And I basically tried to do it on Rumble but they kicked Rumble out.

01:09:21.000 I guess YouTube's just playing ball down there too.

01:09:23.000 Doesn't matter.

01:09:24.000 They have no interest in free public.

01:09:28.000 They just want to make sure they've got people watching their channel.

01:09:31.000 They'll silence speech.

01:09:32.000 So I wondered if he had any run-ins.

01:09:34.000 Brazil!

01:09:35.000 My show, I make it all for you!

01:09:36.000 Sorry, I was trying to get the reception.

01:09:38.000 Yeah, because when I heard him say the YouTube thing, I thought he meant here.

01:09:41.000 Like, we're on YouTube and Rumble here.

01:09:42.000 Oh, okay.

01:09:43.000 He was actually talking about our channel that we just stood up.

01:09:45.000 If you're watching Brazil, we do have a...

01:09:45.000 That's true.

01:09:47.000 Can we get the URL there?

01:09:48.000 We've got it right down here.

01:09:49.000 Oh, there you go.

01:09:50.000 Steven Crowder.

01:09:51.000 Brasil!

01:09:53.000 My show, I make it all for you!

01:09:58.000 Isn't that where Blanca's from? 0.70

01:10:00.000 Yeah, but we don't like that guy.

01:10:02.000 Okay.

01:10:02.000 One of my favorite things about that, uh, their English accent is the way they pronounce the E-D at the end of everything, like market.

01:10:11.000 I marketed myself a safe.

01:10:12.000 That's right.

01:10:14.000 I like that.

01:10:15.000 The Brazilian women are markedly switch. 1.00

01:10:20.000 They're very switch. 0.93

01:10:22.000 Sometimes spicy.

01:10:24.000 Switch, I'm spicy.

01:10:26.000 Like you, a little bit country, also a little bit rock and roll.

01:10:30.000 I thought you were going to say western.

01:10:31.000 I thought you were going to say rugged.

01:10:34.000 Don't listen to that guy.

01:10:35.000 Porra.

01:10:36.000 He's too old to be wearing glasses like that.

01:10:40.000 I don't think that makes any sense at all.

01:10:42.000 This guy, he's dressed like he's going to school.

01:10:45.000 He needs a backpack with rainbow.

01:10:48.000 Just because he's smart. 0.86

01:10:51.000 You think Iglesias make him look smart as opposed to gay? 1.00

01:10:57.000 You think Tillman?

01:10:57.000 Is that your guess?

01:11:01.000 How about Argentina though?

01:11:02.000 Bringing in those Twitter employees?

01:11:06.000 You know what?

01:11:06.000 That's a way to bridge that divide there.

01:11:08.000 Argentina and Brazil, usually if we think about riots there, I mean soccer riots, they kill each other.

01:11:13.000 Well they do.

01:11:14.000 Yeah.

01:11:15.000 It's murder.

01:11:16.000 Did you hear like in a soccer match in Brazil, one of the ref's heads was cut off and put on a pike in the middle of the field. 1.00

01:11:22.000 Now this wasn't like a professional league.

01:11:24.000 Oh, that's a yellow flag for sure.

01:11:25.000 At least yellow card.

01:11:27.000 That's a yellow, that's a red card.

01:11:28.000 Maybe.

01:11:29.000 I don't know. 0.73

01:11:29.000 First hedge, you decapitate. 0.73

01:11:33.000 Warning, two time. 0.74

01:11:35.000 We're going to kick you out for two game. 0.84

01:11:37.000 I think one of the refs one time actually shot one of the other players, like the ref was packing.

01:11:40.000 Yes!

01:11:41.000 He's happened!

01:11:42.000 It's a real deal.

01:11:43.000 He's happened sometime!

01:11:44.000 And the guy was still flopping.

01:11:46.000 Yes, he did!

01:11:48.000 Faking it.

01:11:49.000 It's just, I just nicked you.

01:11:51.000 Come on, that was only a 22.

01:11:52.000 Well we have so much to, well I guess we're going to continue the Columbia segment.

01:11:58.000 Let's continue it on Mug Club really quick. 0.72

01:11:59.000 And of course you can go support him at Bolsonaro SP.

01:12:01.000 Brazil is just a very interesting case study right now, and to see how it mirrors the United States.

01:12:06.000 It is eerie.

01:12:07.000 Oh, I forgot, also, by the way, before we go to... It is cool, too, that they know our situation very well.

01:12:13.000 And it's not just us, it's global.

01:12:16.000 This is heavy.

01:12:17.000 Yeah, it's a lot.

01:12:18.000 I was heavier after eating it.

01:12:20.000 Go to prepwithcrowder.com to get $50 off, actually, a four-week emergency food kit.

01:12:25.000 We have them here in the office. 0.97

01:12:26.000 I've always said this, you know, look, you don't need to believe in some kind of crazy shit-hits-the-fan scenario. 0.95

01:12:30.000 You ever been through an ice storm? 0.99

01:12:32.000 Ever been through an earthquake in California?

01:12:34.000 Have enough food for an emergency for a month or two, some water, a way to heat it, and don't be left unprepared.

01:12:40.000 Prepwithcrowder.com.

01:12:41.000 It's heavy and I can't... Yeah, and don't eat it in an afternoon.

01:12:43.000 No, don't eat it in an afternoon.

01:12:45.000 Right now if you're watching... Or you can if you want.

01:12:47.000 You can click that button.

01:12:48.000 Click that button on Rumble.

01:12:51.000 And you can keep watching on Mug Club.

01:12:52.000 We have a lot to say about Columbia and terrorists and Ilhan Omar banging your brother.

01:12:56.000 And if we're watching on YouTube... Are we still on YouTube?

01:13:00.000 Yeah.

01:13:00.000 Maybe.

01:13:00.000 Not after him.

01:13:01.000 Piss off. 0.62

Louder with Crowder - April 22, 2024

Tucker Calls America Evil | Chaz 2.0 at Columbia | Special Guest Eduardo Bolsonaro

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