Louder with Crowder - May 15, 2015


US Woman Leaving Islam Exposes Dark Truth || Louder With Crowder


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In this episode, we speak with a young Muslim woman who is in the process of leaving the Islamic faith and facing real danger. She shares her story of leaving Islam and how she came to the decision to leave the faith. Her identity is being kept a secret for security reasons.

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00:00:00.000 Disclaimer here, this is the first time we've done this, but the name and voice of the innocent lady you're about to hear had to be disguised for security purposes.
00:00:09.000 This is a person who is currently in the process of leaving Islam, is facing real danger, and we do ask that you listen to this entire interview in its totality to understand the context and do her story justice.
00:00:28.000 Back here, Louder with Crowder.
00:00:29.000 So glad to have this next guest.
00:00:32.000 We're going to use a code name here, Codename Q. And let me tell you why it'll make more sense.
00:00:37.000 I got a message on Facebook.
00:00:40.000 And I get quite a few of these, but this one really caught my eye.
00:00:44.000 Because of the nature of it, this was a young lady who talked about having watched one of my videos, one of the Quran Challenge videos, and actually having gone through a pretty big transition in leaving the Islamic faith.
00:00:57.000 So you can imagine that she wants to keep her identity under wraps.
00:01:00.000 Her name is not, in fact, Q. But for today, that is her name, Q. Thank you so much for coming on.
00:01:06.000 Hi, thank you.
00:01:07.000 Okay.
00:01:08.000 I know it's awkward using the different name here.
00:01:12.000 Listen, I got your message, so I guess, you know what, just sort of, I don't want to speak for you, kind of walk me through what happened here.
00:01:21.000 You were Muslim, I guess, to begin with, or where did it start?
00:01:26.000 No, I was raised Christian my entire life, Pentecostal, and most of my friends were Muslim.
00:01:37.000 I went through a rough patch and I turned to Islam.
00:01:42.000 At the time, I thought it was exactly what I needed in my life.
00:01:50.000 It came in such a quick whirlwind in my life.
00:01:56.000 And I converted.
00:01:57.000 I converted during Ramadan.
00:02:00.000 Oh, that's a rough time to convert.
00:02:02.000 Yeah.
00:02:03.000 You went in with both feet.
00:02:05.000 I felt really pressured into it at the time, you know, because all my friends are Muslim, and I wasn't living at home at the time, wasn't on great terms with my family.
00:02:17.000 And, yeah, it was just a time in my life where I really felt like I felt failed by Christians and At the time, I felt failed by God, you know?
00:02:29.000 And Islam, you know, my Muslim friends were the ones there for me, and they kind of took me under their wing, and they were teaching me things, and I really had no idea much about it at the time.
00:02:45.000 Sure.
00:02:46.000 And my cousin was Muslim.
00:02:49.000 She converted to a Muslim man.
00:02:53.000 And I was really at their house a lot, and they started taking me to the mosque.
00:02:58.000 And yeah, everybody just like, when you walk into a mosque and you're not Muslim, they just kind of like, you know, all come at you.
00:03:06.000 Yeah, I can imagine.
00:03:08.000 Yeah, big time.
00:03:09.000 Yeah.
00:03:10.000 So, okay, so this happened.
00:03:12.000 So I think that's a story.
00:03:13.000 I mean, people would argue that's not necessarily exclusive to Islam, that a lot of people find faith of any variety when they're in a rough spot in their life.
00:03:21.000 Right.
00:03:22.000 So, for how long were you practicing Muslim?
00:03:27.000 Since 2008.
00:03:29.000 Okay, so since 2008.
00:03:31.000 And this was a recent leaving from the message you sent me.
00:03:34.000 Yeah, about two months ago.
00:03:36.000 Okay.
00:03:37.000 So, now not to sound self-aggrandizing, you mentioned that a big part of it was in watching one of my videos that you learned some things you hadn't known and it sort of caused you to explore it a little more?
00:03:49.000 Right.
00:03:50.000 Well, I, you know, through my years, I've seen a lot of things in Islam that are horrible things. 1.00
00:03:58.000 I mean, I've seen, I've heard, I've witnessed Terrible things from Muslims and, you know, and it stems from Islam. 1.00
00:04:07.000 It's not like you can say, oh, well, you know, anybody's bad, but no, like, horrible things through Islam. 1.00
00:04:13.000 And I always kind of looked at it with rose-colored glasses on, you know, but over the past few months, I was feeling like, you know, something's not right here.
00:04:23.000 You know, seeing young girls being forced into marriage and all these things, and I was just...
00:04:31.000 I was sitting at home and I seen a rebuttal video of a Muslim aide to one of yours.
00:04:37.000 Oh, that's right.
00:04:38.000 We invited him on the show and no interest.
00:04:38.000 Yeah.
00:04:38.000 Talk Islam.
00:04:41.000 Yeah.
00:04:43.000 Well, I see that and I was like, well, you know, he was talking about the crime challenge and I was like, well, I've never, you know, I wanted to see the original video that he was doing the rebuttal to.
00:04:43.000 Yeah.
00:04:52.000 So I watched it and I was like, wow, like, I didn't know some of that stuff about, you know, I used to be sick and you were saying all these surahs and I ended up looking them all up.
00:05:07.000 And, you know, I was asking my, texting my Muslim friends and my husband at the time, you know, what's this about and what does this one mean?
00:05:15.000 And, you know, no one really, they just kind of dance around it, you know, like, well, yeah, that's true, but, you know, Christians do it too, you know? 0.99
00:05:24.000 Right.
00:05:25.000 That's the thing which isn't true.
00:05:26.000 And so I ended up watching all your videos.
00:05:29.000 Oh, jeez.
00:05:30.000 Yeah.
00:05:31.000 The more I was watching, the more I was just like, wow, like, this is...
00:05:34.000 He's so right on, you know?
00:05:37.000 And a lot of it I didn't know, and so I started looking it up and whatever, and then that night I decided for myself I was done.
00:05:45.000 I was done.
00:05:47.000 There was no way...
00:05:47.000 Oh, wow.
00:05:48.000 There was no way I could justify it anymore.
00:05:51.000 You know, I had come to a point where it had gotten to be so many...
00:05:56.000 There's signs that, you know, this isn't right.
00:06:00.000 Like, it's not right.
00:06:01.000 It's evil.
00:06:03.000 Yeah.
00:06:04.000 It is.
00:06:05.000 There's nothing peaceful about it.
00:06:07.000 There's nothing beautiful about it.
00:06:09.000 Well, I guess to the people who would say, if that's the case and you see that now, why didn't you see that as someone who, you know, was old enough to make a critical decision and entered into the faith?
00:06:21.000 What do you think?
00:06:22.000 Why didn't you know that then?
00:06:24.000 Um...
00:06:26.000 On hindsight, looking back, because I asked myself that, you know, as someone I'd like to think I have a lot of common sense, and looking back, I asked myself the same thing.
00:06:36.000 Why didn't I see it sooner?
00:06:38.000 Especially coming from a Christian family who, you know, would warn me and pray for me and all these things.
00:06:44.000 And I was really, really searching for something different from what I was raised in.
00:06:51.000 And I was really angry at God for a long time.
00:06:57.000 And, um, I don't know, I think I just looked at it with rose-colored glasses on.
00:07:01.000 You know, like I would hear things and I would go to an imam and I would go to somebody and I would say, this is what I heard, this is what I read in the Quran and, you know, I don't understand, I don't necessarily like it, you know, can you explain it to me?
00:07:17.000 Hold on one second.
00:07:19.000 We have to go to a break real quick because I don't want to cut you off.
00:07:22.000 We will be back with Codename Q after this.
00:07:26.000 We are back with my guest.
00:07:27.000 I don't want to interrupt her.
00:07:28.000 Quick recap.
00:07:29.000 Codename Q because she converted from Islam and this is the first time she's talking about it this publicly.
00:07:35.000 And you were just telling us about how you would go when you began questioning to your imams.
00:07:41.000 And that's the stage.
00:07:42.000 Okay, sorry.
00:07:43.000 Continue.
00:07:44.000 Okay.
00:07:45.000 Yeah, so I was looking at it with rose-colored glasses on, and they would, you know, just tell you, just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's wrong, it doesn't mean it's not right, and, you know, there's a lot of things we don't understand with God and whatever.
00:07:59.000 And I understood, and I accepted.
00:08:02.000 But you've got to understand, with Islam, there's such a deceptive spirit that comes along with it, and unless you, like, Let me 1.00
00:08:33.000 ask you this.
00:08:35.000 Yeah.
00:08:35.000 I was going to ask you, because you talk about women converting, and the truth is, statistically, there aren't a ton of people who convert.
00:08:42.000 It's usually obligatory, or birth rates is how Islam is really growing, but there are some people who convert.
00:08:48.000 What is, and forgive me, I'm not asking this to be rude, but what could possibly be the appeal for a woman to convert to something as oppressive as Islam? 0.99
00:08:58.000 I mean, what's the thought process there?
00:09:00.000 Okay, you know, I get that a lot.
00:09:03.000 And the thing about it, Is most of the time when a girl converts, it's for a man. 0.90
00:09:10.000 Most of the time.
00:09:11.000 You know, they need a Muslim man who sweeps them off their feet and they fall in love. 0.98
00:09:16.000 And they make you feel protected.
00:09:19.000 And they make you feel special.
00:09:21.000 And they tell you all the time, you know, we believe that heaven and ghana lies beneath the woman's feet.
00:09:28.000 And you get to heaven through the woman. 1.00
00:09:31.000 And I don't...
00:09:34.000 I can't explain it.
00:09:35.000 There's this attraction to it where they're protective and they care and they make it sound like...
00:09:44.000 Do you think maybe it's also sort of because...
00:09:46.000 That's been lost in modern society.
00:09:46.000 Listen, let's be honest.
00:09:48.000 A lot of men are just sort of...
00:09:50.000 There's a lot of objectification and you feel like, oh, they're more gentlemanly.
00:09:54.000 Would that be fair?
00:09:54.000 Exactly.
00:09:55.000 Like, chivalry isn't dead with them.
00:09:57.000 Sure.
00:09:58.000 They treat you like you're...
00:10:02.000 A queen on top of the world.
00:10:04.000 You know, they treat you so amazing at first.
00:10:08.000 Right.
00:10:08.000 And then usually you'll hear, like, once you marry the man and start having kids with the man, it changes.
00:10:15.000 You know?
00:10:15.000 It does.
00:10:16.000 Sure.
00:10:16.000 It doesn't stay that way.
00:10:17.000 That's how they get you.
00:10:19.000 And then once you're in it, then you realize, you know, most people realize, some don't, but you realize that it's kind of not what you signed up for.
00:10:30.000 You know, there's I know hundreds of girls who converted and then, you know, they thought it was the love of their life and then they end up getting their meet up every day.
00:10:40.000 And, you know, I was married and I wasn't allowed to work.
00:10:44.000 I wasn't allowed to have friends.
00:10:46.000 Every time I got a friend, he'd find something wrong with the friend.
00:10:51.000 You know, I couldn't go anywhere.
00:10:54.000 Barely, he couldn't even go to a restaurant.
00:10:58.000 And you're saying...
00:10:59.000 Essentially, you're just a TV maker.
00:11:02.000 Well, a lot of people would say...
00:11:04.000 And I can understand where they're coming.
00:11:05.000 They would say, well, you're talking to a woman who left because of a bad husband, and so she's just using it to tarnish all of Islam. 0.95
00:11:12.000 That's an exception.
00:11:13.000 That's not the rule.
00:11:14.000 That this isn't particularly common.
00:11:16.000 It was just your case.
00:11:18.000 It's very common.
00:11:18.000 Oh, no.
00:11:20.000 Is it?
00:11:21.000 Really, really common.
00:11:22.000 And that's the dangerous thing about Islam. 1.00
00:11:24.000 And I really feel like that's how Islam is going to start really making its way in this country. 1.00
00:11:30.000 I mean, people don't realize how many girls convert daily, and how many girls... 0.94
00:11:37.000 I think that's how they're going to get through this country, is they convert the girls, they have tons of children with the girls, and then they raise those kids with them.
00:11:47.000 I know hundreds.
00:11:50.000 And it happens every day.
00:11:52.000 And it's not uncommon.
00:11:54.000 Now, how do you know hundreds?
00:11:55.000 That seems like a very big number.
00:11:57.000 Is it because you've sort of been plugged into a network of...
00:12:00.000 Well, yeah.
00:12:02.000 Through, you know, mosques and through, you know, in the Arab community, it's a very tight-knit community.
00:12:09.000 Almost everybody knows everybody.
00:12:11.000 Okay.
00:12:11.000 Especially with the women.
00:12:13.000 You know, if you go into Dearborn or some tram, Juana, New York, Those are very high Arab communities.
00:12:22.000 Everybody knows everybody.
00:12:23.000 All the women know each other. 1.00
00:12:24.000 All the women talk. 1.00
00:12:26.000 I talk to women who live overseas who have never been here.
00:12:33.000 Really tight-knit community.
00:12:37.000 Everybody knows everybody.
00:12:39.000 Yeah, that makes sense in Montreal.
00:12:42.000 We have that definitely with the Lebanese community.
00:12:45.000 You always have, especially sort of these multicultural enclaves. 0.97
00:12:49.000 Yeah.
00:12:49.000 Okay, so I'm sorry.
00:12:51.000 It is fascinating to me, and I want our listeners to get the full scope of your experience and what it's like.
00:12:58.000 And I know what they're going to say.
00:12:59.000 You just have to be prepared.
00:13:00.000 No, I know.
00:13:01.000 I know.
00:13:01.000 I get it, too.
00:13:02.000 And you've read the comments, if you've no doubt seen the videos.
00:13:02.000 Okay.
00:13:07.000 And I mean, listen, we've been targeted not only for acts of violence by Muslims, but of course censorship on YouTube with downvotes and trying to get rid of advertisers. 0.98
00:13:17.000 So let me ask you this, because a lot of people will say, and I don't think it's necessarily wrong, they'll criticize me, even Christians are saying, you know, you'll never convert anyone with something like the Quran challenge.
00:13:28.000 Well, let me give you sort of my logic, and you can tell me if this is what happened with you.
00:13:31.000 My logic is I'm not creating that video for the guy who creates the talk Islam rebuttal. 0.98
00:13:37.000 I'm not creating that video for your husband where there is no chance of me converting him.
00:13:43.000 But I feel as though when you have people who are manipulators, who are proactively lying to their constituency, and I think you see that a lot with talking Islam. 0.99
00:13:54.000 If I can make an example of them and, yes, be a little bit biting, yes, be a little bit vicious, it allows me not to reach them but to reach people like you who can see them be exposed.
00:14:06.000 That's my logic.
00:14:08.000 That's right on.
00:14:09.000 That was exactly it.
00:14:12.000 And, yeah, and that's essentially why I wrote you, is because I figured, you know, I'm sure you get a lot of hate mail from Muslims.
00:14:19.000 Yes, I do.
00:14:20.000 A lot.
00:14:20.000 Yours was actually literally sandwiched in between anti-Semitic emails, even though I'm not Jewish, from Muslims.
00:14:27.000 Yeah, and I figured, you know, I'm sure for someone like you who does videos like you do, I'm sure it's nice once in a while to hear that you reach somebody that, you know, you affected somebody.
00:14:39.000 And a positive way through it, you know, instead of all the hate mail.
00:14:43.000 And you did.
00:14:44.000 And I was very manipulated by these people for years.
00:14:48.000 Crazy.
00:14:49.000 And I really just needed that push.
00:14:54.000 You know, I was in another state.
00:14:57.000 I had no family, no friends.
00:14:59.000 I was alone with my husband and my three kids.
00:15:02.000 All I had was his family.
00:15:03.000 And I knew something wasn't right.
00:15:05.000 And I felt it in my heart.
00:15:08.000 And I had been thinking about it for a while and I needed that extra push to let me know, you know, you're doing the right thing.
00:15:15.000 This is not right.
00:15:17.000 This is not a good religion. 0.99
00:15:18.000 This is not something I want to raise my daughters in.
00:15:21.000 It's not something I want to be a part of forever.
00:15:24.000 And that's essentially what it was because, you know, the things you talked about I didn't necessarily know.
00:15:29.000 So once I was more informed and, you know, had the right questions to ask, I That was it for me.
00:15:36.000 That was what I needed.
00:15:38.000 God uses people in different ways.
00:15:40.000 I personally feel like you used your videos to give me the push I needed.
00:15:44.000 Well, thank you.
00:15:45.000 That's very kind of you.
00:15:46.000 I certainly won't go out and say, I am a tool of God!
00:15:49.000 I'm a guy who put on a wig and a unibrow.
00:15:53.000 But I appreciate it.
00:15:54.000 Well, let me ask you this.
00:15:55.000 So, timeline here.
00:15:56.000 You see, you started asking questions.
00:15:57.000 You separated from your husband.
00:15:59.000 Did the separation occur because of the questions that started coming?
00:16:04.000 Or was it before that?
00:16:05.000 Well, here's the thing.
00:16:08.000 When I decided, I didn't tell anybody.
00:16:11.000 And, you know, being...
00:16:13.000 In another state, having no family, no friends, nowhere to really turn, except his family.
00:16:19.000 They don't take kindly to people who convert and then convert back.
00:16:23.000 You know, that's not, they don't take kindly to that.
00:16:26.000 And I was really worried about a lot of backlash from them.
00:16:30.000 And I was worried about my kids, you know, because legally he could stop me from leaving the state.
00:16:36.000 And so I called my family, I explained to them what I, you know, That I wanted to leave.
00:16:42.000 I wanted to get out, but I was scared.
00:16:45.000 And they worked with me.
00:16:48.000 We, like, kind of made up this reason for me to have to come home for a while.
00:16:54.000 Okay.
00:16:55.000 And, you know, through God's hands, they accepted it, and they took it, and they said, okay, and they let me leave.
00:17:03.000 And so I packed up my kids, packed up our things, and left.
00:17:07.000 And this was in a matter of, like, two weeks.
00:17:10.000 And so once I got here, my brother's a lawyer, we were talking about what the next steps I can take.
00:17:16.000 Because, you know, we're only married Islamically.
00:17:18.000 But with my kids, you know, they don't like you taking their kids.
00:17:23.000 You know, that's a big thing.
00:17:24.000 Is that common?
00:17:25.000 Is that common in Islam where you only get married under the, I guess, Islamic law?
00:17:29.000 Oh, yeah.
00:17:30.000 Yeah, that's very common.
00:17:32.000 Because that's how they have more than one wife. 1.00
00:17:35.000 Now, did your husband have more than one wife?
00:17:35.000 Really?
00:17:37.000 No, he wanted to at some time, but I fought him on it.
00:17:42.000 But yeah, he didn't have one, but he wanted to.
00:17:47.000 So you don't hear about that a lot.
00:17:47.000 Wow.
00:17:50.000 I wouldn't imagine it's that common in the United States for the most several wives. 1.00
00:17:54.000 Oh yeah, it is.
00:17:55.000 Really?
00:17:56.000 Oh yeah, I know tons of people who have four wives, three wives, two wives.
00:18:00.000 Some of them, they all live in the same house.
00:18:03.000 Wow, I didn't know that.
00:18:06.000 I will say, I will have to try and verify that, because I don't know for sure.
00:18:11.000 It's not legal marriages. 0.72
00:18:13.000 They're not legal.
00:18:15.000 They're through the mosque, and you do sign papers, Islamic papers, but they're not legal marriages.
00:18:22.000 But to them, they are.
00:18:24.000 To them, they're marriages through God.
00:18:26.000 So, to them, we were married.
00:18:28.000 Like, married-married.
00:18:30.000 Even though we weren't married on paper.
00:18:33.000 Wow.
00:18:34.000 Yeah.
00:18:35.000 That is fascinating.
00:18:37.000 Pretty common.
00:18:37.000 And you know, in Islam, you can't get legally married unless you get Islamically married first.
00:18:42.000 And Islamic marriage is so easy.
00:18:44.000 To just divorce from it, you just say divorce three times and you're done.
00:18:49.000 No, come on. 0.85
00:18:50.000 You actually say divorce three times?
00:18:52.000 Yeah, you say divorce, divorce, divorce, and you're divorced. 0.89
00:18:56.000 Are you pulling my leg here?
00:18:58.000 I swear.
00:18:59.000 I swear to you.
00:19:01.000 You're making it sound like the horror film.
00:19:03.000 You say Candyman in the mirror three times, and that guy with the Burger King Kids Club haircut appears.
00:19:08.000 Yeah, and to get Islamically married, the woman doesn't have to be present. 1.00
00:19:13.000 As long as she has a man there on her behalf, she doesn't have to be there.
00:19:17.000 And, like, when we got Islamically married, I didn't have to be there.
00:19:21.000 Like, it doesn't even involve me.
00:19:22.000 You don't even say anything.
00:19:24.000 Now, what about divorce, though?
00:19:26.000 What if you wanted a divorce and he didn't want to divorce?
00:19:29.000 Then he doesn't have to give it to me.
00:19:31.000 So you can't say divorce just three times?
00:19:33.000 No.
00:19:34.000 Only the man can.
00:19:36.000 Okay.
00:19:36.000 Now, did you know this when you were marrying him?
00:19:39.000 Yeah, I did.
00:19:40.000 I was very, very...
00:19:43.000 I was a fool.
00:19:44.000 I was.
00:19:45.000 I was a fool.
00:19:46.000 I asked myself that all the time.
00:19:47.000 What was I doing?
00:19:49.000 Like, I look back on it now like, God, I was so dumb.
00:19:54.000 I was.
00:19:54.000 No, I don't think so.
00:19:56.000 I really don't think so.
00:19:57.000 And that's not why I ask those questions.
00:19:58.000 I ask the questions because, listen, I can't really know this.
00:20:01.000 I can know on paper what the Koran says.
00:20:03.000 I can know Muhammad. 0.51
00:20:04.000 But learning these experiences, I mean, that's incredible.
00:20:09.000 I'd love to keep you on for another segment here because there's so much to get into.
00:20:13.000 So Codename Q, Islamic convert. 1.00
00:20:17.000 Be back after this.
00:20:18.000 We are back.
00:20:19.000 We were talking Islamic divorce. 0.97
00:20:21.000 Our guest, codenamed Q, has converted from Islam.
00:20:27.000 Honestly, it's one of those things where it sounds like something that I need to question, and I'll be honest, I'll have to go online afterward and search these things and say...
00:20:36.000 Okay, how accurate is this?
00:20:38.000 Because I know that the audience is going to say this is just anti-Islamic rhetoric.
00:20:42.000 I mean, or Osama Siblani. 0.84
00:20:45.000 We just did a piece on him out there in Dearborn, Michigan, who said that Pam Geller was worse than ISIS for drawing Muhammad.
00:20:50.000 And when I said that's absurd, they accused me of being Islamophobic.
00:20:54.000 So it seems like calling anyone, including terrorists, out on their actions is now Islamophobia.
00:21:01.000 Anyways, that was my own little diatribe.
00:21:02.000 My apologies.
00:21:03.000 Let's get back to you.
00:21:04.000 You're much more interesting.
00:21:06.000 So this divorce happens, so you find a reason to get out of state and get to your family.
00:21:12.000 And now that I'm here, I've been here for a month, and I was advised by lawyers to not do it yet, to not tell him and his family yet that I'm done, because I have to establish residency.
00:21:12.000 Yeah.
00:21:25.000 If I don't establish residency in the state, which is six months, then he can take me to court and they can force me to move back, especially...
00:21:34.000 Since I moved out technically on false pretenses.
00:21:38.000 How can they force you to move back?
00:21:41.000 Legally.
00:21:42.000 I was a resident there.
00:21:44.000 My kids were born there.
00:21:45.000 We were together there.
00:21:47.000 And I left.
00:21:49.000 He can legally go to the court and say, I didn't know she was leaving for good.
00:21:55.000 I didn't want my kids to leave.
00:21:57.000 And they can force me to move back.
00:21:59.000 Okay.
00:22:02.000 That sounds...
00:22:03.000 Even though you weren't legally married, he can do that?
00:22:06.000 Yeah.
00:22:07.000 Like, if we were just...
00:22:08.000 Even if we were just dating, and we had a child together, and I wanted to move out of state, we would have to go to court and have it legal saying he's okay with it.
00:22:18.000 And if he wanted to fight me on it, he could.
00:22:22.000 Wow.
00:22:23.000 And so, you know, having three small kids, and I do believe that we will have...
00:22:27.000 Eventually have a custody battle.
00:22:30.000 I'm just trying to, you know, do it as smart as I can and we all my options.
00:22:36.000 So, you know, as my brother's a lawyer, he told me just to wait six months here and then I'll have established residency.
00:22:44.000 Yeah.
00:22:45.000 And then, you know, I can tell them, you know, this is what's going on.
00:22:48.000 I don't want any part of it.
00:22:49.000 So I'm just trying to avoid right now.
00:22:52.000 Right, and obviously we're doing our best to make sure that no personal details are revealed here.
00:22:56.000 Let me ask you this, because you were very adamant before we did the interview, like, no, I don't want any visual, and I don't want people to know the name.
00:23:04.000 What is your, honestly, no sensationalism, what's your fear if people find out that it's you and find out that you've converted and left?
00:23:16.000 I'm scared for my kids.
00:23:18.000 I am.
00:23:20.000 You know, I know a girl who her husband, here in America, here in Michigan, took her child from her to Lebanon and she's never seen them again.
00:23:30.000 I'm scared for my kids.
00:23:31.000 I'm scared for a custody battle.
00:23:33.000 I'm scared for them to take me to court and make me move back and then, you know, God knows what could happen.
00:23:41.000 Listen, this is, people can say, oh, you know, anyone is bad people.
00:23:45.000 You know, you can be any guy that is abusive or, you know, any guy that can turn on you.
00:23:51.000 But when it comes to Muslims, there is almost every time that they're abusive or they're, you know, they try to hurt you or backlash, ruin your reputation, you know, take your kids from you. 1.00
00:24:09.000 It's not an uncommon thing.
00:24:11.000 It's more common than people think it is.
00:24:14.000 And with Muslims, when you're leaving Islam, specifically, because that's a really big deal, you really have to be careful. 1.00
00:24:22.000 You never know what they're capable of.
00:24:24.000 You never know.
00:24:25.000 You just never know.
00:24:27.000 And especially having kids, like, it was just me, whatever.
00:24:30.000 They can do what they want to me, but because I have three small kids, I really want to make sure that, you know, I do everything right, legally, That they can't come after my kids, that they can't fight me for my kids, that they, you know, can't hurt them, essentially.
00:24:46.000 So when we hear the media and people talk about, you know, the moderate Islamic majority in this country, they're lumping people like your husband, former husband, in that category.
00:24:59.000 Yeah, they're moderate Muslims.
00:25:00.000 They're not extreme Muslims.
00:25:02.000 This is the face of moderate Islam. 0.98
00:25:04.000 But even moderate Muslims. 0.99
00:25:08.000 You know, you never know.
00:25:10.000 And that's what's scary.
00:25:13.000 And the thing is, like, people say, like, oh, not all Muslims will go bomb somebody.
00:25:17.000 Not all Muslims will go shoot something up.
00:25:19.000 That's extreme.
00:25:20.000 That's true.
00:25:21.000 But when you think about it, to them, when they use their bodies for Allah, when they do something on behalf of Allah and they die in the process, to them, that's a straight... 0.66
00:25:34.000 You know, there's no judgment, there's no nothing, your argument is set to heaven because you use your body for the sake of Allah and, you know, His army.
00:25:43.000 Now, in Islam, there's never a specific thing that says that, you know, there's no grace, there's no forgiveness, there's no forgiveness, there's no love.
00:25:52.000 All it is is outweighing your good deeds with your bad, you know?
00:25:57.000 You have enough charity.
00:25:58.000 You sin here.
00:25:59.000 To them, God weighs out your deeds with your bad.
00:26:04.000 And would your conversion be considered one of the worst deeds to them?
00:26:10.000 Leading Islam? 0.99
00:26:11.000 Yeah.
00:26:12.000 That's as bad.
00:26:14.000 So when you think about that, there's no guarantee of heaven.
00:26:19.000 But if you use your body for Allah or you fight for the sake of Allah or Muhammad or Islam, that's a straight shot to heaven. 0.93
00:26:28.000 Now if you really think about that, that's scary.
00:26:31.000 And their mindset Well, let me ask you this.
00:26:37.000 Let me ask you this, because I want to kind of stay on your personal story.
00:26:41.000 So while you talk about that, you know, and you'll have theologians, they'll debate that on either side, and both sides have valid points.
00:26:46.000 But in your case, while you were married, okay, so you're Muslim, you're married to a Muslim husband.
00:26:51.000 Yeah.
00:26:52.000 Did you ever talk about these things, like about terrorism, about jihad?
00:26:57.000 And where did he line up on that?
00:26:57.000 All the time.
00:26:58.000 Where did his family line up?
00:27:00.000 Oh, they were...
00:27:01.000 You could never say anything bad about ISIS. Al-Qaeda. 0.98
00:27:04.000 And that's the thing that usually always got me.
00:27:08.000 Even though I was, you know, converted, I was still a big-time American.
00:27:12.000 You know, Republican and all that.
00:27:14.000 Like, that never changed.
00:27:17.000 Well, outside of the Islam thing, outside of the Islam thing, they tend to be pretty conservative, right? 0.98
00:27:22.000 They tend to be pro-life.
00:27:23.000 Right, they do.
00:27:23.000 They are.
00:27:25.000 But I remember asking them...
00:27:28.000 You know, when ISIS beheaded all the Christians and I was sitting in his mom's living room with the whole family and I purposely said, what do you guys think about that?
00:27:38.000 And immediately everybody said, well, they did it to them first.
00:27:43.000 They came on their land first. 0.99
00:27:45.000 They attacked them.
00:27:46.000 ISIS is defending themselves.
00:27:48.000 They are just defending against America and they come in their countries and kill the civilians and the children and they're defending themselves.
00:27:56.000 Don't they have a right to do that?
00:27:58.000 And I was like, really?
00:28:00.000 Like, you're seriously sitting here defending ISIS to me?
00:28:03.000 And they were like, well, no, we think what they do is wrong, but they're defending themselves.
00:28:08.000 Everybody can't hate them, and this, this, and that.
00:28:11.000 And I was sitting there like, wow, really?
00:28:14.000 Like, they just beheaded all these Christians, and you don't see anything wrong with it. 1.00
00:28:21.000 You know, and that's most Muslims. 0.97
00:28:23.000 And I even have Muslim neighbors who, if you ask them, They'll say, well, America's just trying to take their oil, and America came in their country first, and America's killing no people, and they have a right to defend themselves.
00:28:35.000 I'll tell you what, and I hope you're ready for it, Q. There's going to be backlash to this, and people are just going to say that you're Islamophobic and you're lying, but I will tell you this.
00:28:45.000 I can't verify what you said if that's true, because I would imagine when polled, most of them would do an about-face, and Eddie Haskell it, and, you look great, Mrs.
00:28:54.000 Cleaver, and then turn around and say something else.
00:28:56.000 But I will say this.
00:28:57.000 I watched 9-11 happen when I was in Canada, and There were Muslims who were not unhappy with it. 1.00
00:29:08.000 I watched that happen.
00:29:10.000 And most people don't believe me when I say that.
00:29:12.000 They think I'm just saying.
00:29:12.000 They don't believe me.
00:29:13.000 So I watched that happen.
00:29:14.000 And a lot of these people, they hated Israel and the Jews hated it.
00:29:21.000 This is where I was raised.
00:29:22.000 Again, it was multiculturalism.
00:29:24.000 It wasn't the United States.
00:29:25.000 So, I mean, I was actually banned from a college for doing some bits about Muslims at a multicultural fair, which are nowhere near as extreme as the videos that I've done now.
00:29:34.000 So that's what shaped my view as an outsider.
00:29:37.000 So it's interesting to hear that this shaped your view as an insider.
00:29:44.000 It's almost like I don't know We're going to have to have you back on the program because I want to hear your progress.
00:29:49.000 And if you do run into some hiccups, I'm sure there are a lot of people out there who would love to help you.
00:29:55.000 I do have kind of one question for you.
00:29:57.000 So you're obviously very afraid to discuss your conversion right now for fear of safety of your children and reasons you mentioned.
00:30:04.000 When you left Christianity for Islam or you left what you were raised with, did you have that same fear?
00:30:12.000 No, not at all.
00:30:15.000 I mean, I was worried about my family being mad at me, but no.
00:30:19.000 Okay.
00:30:20.000 Not at all.
00:30:21.000 And that's the thing with Islam is, you know, looking back on it and having been a part of both religions.
00:30:26.000 And don't get me wrong, I love, you know, Muslim people.
00:30:30.000 You know, there's some really great ones out there.
00:30:33.000 And, you know, 90% of my friends are Muslim.
00:30:37.000 I'm just saying, from my point of view, you never know what they're capable of, because it's hardwired into them from their religion, you know, to carry out these acts that are unthinkable to us, but to them they're not that big of a deal.
00:30:50.000 Right.
00:30:51.000 And with Christianity, you get the sense of love and forgiveness and grace when you walk into a church.
00:30:59.000 You feel it immediately.
00:31:01.000 And it's different with Islam when you do the Muslim prayers and When you go into a mosque, there's no sense of God's presence. 1.00
00:31:09.000 There's no sense of love.
00:31:13.000 There's not that warm, fuzzy feeling you get, you know, when you're in a church or, you know, It's just non-existent.
00:31:21.000 Even to atheists who are listening here, it is important for them, because they're going to say the warm, fuzzy feeling.
00:31:27.000 Well, even if you don't believe in God, the warm, fuzzy feeling, you could explain away as the atmosphere because of the people in the congregation.
00:31:33.000 They're giving you the warm, fuzzy feeling.
00:31:35.000 So either way, you're describing two different auras.
00:31:40.000 Yeah.
00:31:41.000 Of the religion, you know?
00:31:42.000 Sure.
00:31:43.000 I can imagine.
00:31:44.000 I can...
00:31:45.000 Well, geez.
00:31:45.000 Well, listen.
00:31:46.000 We will keep you in our prayers.
00:31:48.000 Will you come back on the program and give us an update?
00:31:48.000 We'll definitely...
00:31:52.000 Well, great.
00:31:52.000 Okay.
00:31:53.000 We absolutely want you to.
00:31:54.000 And if we need to put a distortion on your voice here so you sound like one of those 420... 0.73
00:31:59.000 Macaulay Culkin and the Talkboy.
00:32:02.000 We'll do it.
00:32:02.000 But thank you so much, Q, for coming on.
00:32:04.000 Okay.
00:32:05.000 Thank you.
00:32:06.000 Fascinating stuff.
00:32:06.000 Ladder with Crowder.
00:32:07.000 We'll be more after this break.
00:32:09.000 Wow.
00:32:10.000 There you go, the least funny interview we've ever done on here, but it's important.
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