Louder with Crowder - Vance and Walz Face Off: VP Debate Mega Live Stream 2024

00:00:00.000 What do you think?

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00:00:23.000 Do something intelligent!

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00:01:02.000 What do you got?

00:01:03.000 How about a jingle?

00:01:04.000 Oh, yeah, see, we're thinking jingle could be good.

00:01:06.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:01:08.000 The best part of waking up is 1775 in your cup.

00:01:14.000 Uh, that's terrible.

00:01:15.000 Leave. 0.99

00:01:16.000 This is my office.

00:01:17.000 Fudge.

00:01:18.000 Okay, let's continue on the theme of jingle, but let's grab some coffee.

00:01:25.000 Oh, good idea.

00:01:28.000 OK, jingle.

00:01:29.000 Jingle.

00:01:30.000 Oh, what about this?

00:01:31.000 Don't waste your time on woke coffee.

00:01:34.000 You've got the 1775.

00:01:35.000 I drank you.

00:01:36.000 I drank you.

00:01:38.000 Dude, that was sick.

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00:01:41.000 Duet.

00:01:41.000 Let's go with duet theme.

00:01:42.000 We got a duet.

00:01:43.000 Yes.

00:01:43.000 Duet is because we're two of us.

00:01:44.000 Right.

00:01:45.000 Why one of us?

00:01:46.000 We need more coffee.

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00:01:50.000 Duet, duet theme.

00:01:51.000 OK, I got it.

00:01:53.000 Wake me up!

00:01:55.000 Oh, oh, I get it.

00:01:55.000 OK, OK.

00:01:56.000 Do it again.

00:01:58.000 Wake me up!

00:01:59.000 1775!

00:01:59.000 I can't wake up!

00:02:00.000 Coffee!

00:02:00.000 1775!

00:02:02.000 Fill my mug and save me from the woke!

00:02:08.000 Hell yeah.

00:02:09.000 Perfect.

00:02:10.000 This coffee's so good.

00:02:10.000 More coffee.

00:02:12.000 It's so good.

00:02:13.000 Oh my god, I need more.

00:02:14.000 It's so good.

00:02:14.000 Oh, I got it.

00:02:14.000 Okay.

00:02:16.000 Wake up!

00:02:18.000 Pour a cup of coffee in your drinker!

00:02:20.000 Why'd you put that coffee on the table?

00:02:21.000 I wanted to!

00:02:22.000 Why'd you put that coffee on the table?

00:02:23.000 Why'd you put this coffee on the table?

00:02:23.000 I wanted to!

00:02:25.000 I wanted to!

00:02:25.000 Oh, I think you must.

00:02:28.000 More coffee.

00:02:33.000 Okay.

00:02:36.000 That's good, that coffee's so good.

00:02:47.000 Other bands we got, we got Linkin Park, we got Linkin Park, Linkin Park, Linkin Park, Linkin Logs, Linkin Logs, Tinker Toys!

00:02:54.000 Come on! 0.61

00:02:55.000 Josh!

00:02:56.000 Guys!

00:02:58.000 No jingles, okay?

00:03:00.000 No jingles, promise me.

00:03:02.000 Mm-hmm.

00:03:04.000 Coffee! Coffee! Coffee! 0.86

00:03:07.000 Coffee! Coffee! Coffee! Coffee! 0.51

00:03:11.000 Coffee into your hands, I commit my spirit.

00:03:15.000 I commit my spirit!

00:03:18.000 Cough into your hands!

00:03:22.000 My, have you awakened me?

00:03:24.000 In my eyes, awaken me!

00:03:26.000 In my mind, awaken me!

00:03:29.000 In my heart, awaken me!

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00:04:40.000 Boys in a dress inside of Tim's China World. 1.00

00:04:47.000 But could he still steal that valor in his China World? 0.98

00:04:53.000 No, he never saw combat.

00:04:55.000 I see those hands clapping loud as thunder.

00:05:00.000 Those seal flippers flapping I'm on fire.

00:05:10.000 mixed with no bravado When I think about Tim's China World

00:05:20.000 I'm fired. Nearby businesses closed.

00:05:23.000 I could pretend, but really, we would be so f***ed If we'd get Tim's China World 0.88

00:05:35.000 I'm fired. 0.52

00:05:50.000 In love with Chairman Mao Soft and pink just like a sow 1.00

00:05:57.000 Sunlight blinding me off He's bald head, he's trash. 1.00

00:06:02.000 Into his wife's crazy eyes. 1.00

00:06:10.000 When we fight, we win. 0.99

00:06:15.000 I can smell the burning tires.

00:06:18.000 The tears little shine a world.

00:06:23.000 There's so much more to see.

00:06:26.000 He'll ruin everything we are.

00:06:30.000 Please leave policy at home order is being violated.

00:06:34.000 In love with communism A Chinese honeymoon A man who wants the left to rule the world And when he gets excited Richard Simmons comes to him Arms flapping, gaping open now country so divided. Oh China Tim he says I just can't wait 0.63

00:07:11.000 to shut your mouth. 0.98

00:07:13.000 There's no guarantee to free speech.

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00:07:19.000 Happy birthday, Blizzard.

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00:07:23.000 Isn't that just the best in the world?

00:07:25.000 Good.

00:07:26.000 Hello.

00:07:27.000 Good, I was actually considered.

00:07:29.000 My father has considered me bachelor that year, just to try to systematize this whole thing.

00:07:36.000 So he made me a RSVP knight, so I could learn wrestling instead

00:07:41.000 of much of a baby boomer fan in my own room.

00:07:45.000 I'm going to be a bachelor.

00:07:47.000 You're a stranger in my life, that's what I know.

00:07:51.000 I know, I know.

00:07:54.000 You're a stranger in my life, I got to follow.

00:07:58.000 I'm gonna speed it up.

00:08:02.000 I'm gonna speed it up.

00:08:10.000 Glad to be with you.

00:08:10.000 I am nervous.

00:08:12.000 I am very nervous because I almost feel like JD Vance is too confident tonight.

00:08:19.000 Too good.

00:08:20.000 Yes, I think he's a little too confident.

00:08:21.000 We've seen walls saying, like, ah, I just don't want to disappoint Kamala.

00:08:24.000 You know, it's that whole kind of self-sympathy thing.

00:08:27.000 The expectations have been set really low.

00:08:28.000 So my question to you is, how do you think this goes tonight if it is anything other than an absolute blowout?

00:08:35.000 Do you think the media will acknowledge that J.D.

00:08:37.000 Vance is the more skilled debater?

00:08:39.000 Comment below.

00:08:40.000 Even if it is a blowout, I don't know that they will.

00:08:42.000 But it is the VP debate night.

00:08:44.000 And by the way, none of this happens without you.

00:08:46.000 We're gearing up for the election livestream of the century.

00:08:48.000 This November, we do have a promo code VPDEBATE.

00:08:51.000 It's $15 off, Mug Club.

00:08:51.000 Use that.

00:08:54.000 It's $15 off.

00:08:55.000 And, you know, without you, there's... Their volume is too loud out there.

00:08:58.000 I can hear myself on it.

00:08:59.000 It's pretty loud.

00:08:59.000 It is pretty loud.

00:09:00.000 Guys!

00:09:01.000 Come on, guys!

00:09:01.000 They're jamming to the song!

00:09:02.000 We gotta keep it down a little bit in there, huh?

00:09:04.000 It was so good.

00:09:06.000 I like how you got louder to say it.

00:09:08.000 I know.

00:09:09.000 I know, they have a microphone feed, but hey, let's bring up the drinking game rules really quickly.

00:09:14.000 I was mid-phrase and I forgot what I was saying.

00:09:15.000 So you drink tonight anytime Walls doesn't answer a question directly.

00:09:20.000 Anytime someone mentions Project 2025.

00:09:21.000 Oh, that'll be fun.

00:09:23.000 Anytime Walls mentions being a coach or teacher.

00:09:26.000 Or if he mentions coaches and teachers anyway.

00:09:28.000 Anytime JD Vance goes into beast mode and we will accept an answer with no out for walls.

00:09:33.000 That one's kind of subjective but you know what?

00:09:35.000 We have to make this fun for you and you will finish your drink anytime the moderators gang up on Vance.

00:09:42.000 They said they wouldn't.

00:09:43.000 Anytime they run a figurative train on Vance.

00:09:45.000 Wait.

00:09:47.000 That is not... What if they run a literal one?

00:09:48.000 Then... I'll just finish it.

00:09:50.000 Well, yeah, that wouldn't surprise me with CBS.

00:09:52.000 Finish your line.

00:09:53.000 That would cause me to drink.

00:09:54.000 Oh, Captain Morgan, number two, CEO, how are you, sir?

00:09:56.000 I'm doing well now.

00:09:58.000 I have a lot of wine in my glass, though, in preparation for this night. 0.61

00:10:01.000 Wait, hold on, shut up, because you said the most profane things imaginable, which means if you're watching on YouTube tonight, and if at any point you see this... That's not fair.

00:10:09.000 Head on over to Rumble, because, you know, we're not going to self-censor for YouTube. 0.93

00:10:13.000 Also, it's a live show.

00:10:13.000 Weekdays, 10 a.m.

00:10:14.000 Eastern.

00:10:14.000 If you're tuning in for the first time tonight, we know a lot of you do for these special events.

00:10:18.000 And Fridays, if you're a member of Mug Club. 0.87

00:10:20.000 And tonight, we will have some Mug Club exclusives.

00:10:21.000 We also have a 7 plus 1 tonight.

00:10:23.000 7 plus 1, most likely, October surprises.

00:10:27.000 We've done our research, and we do have Thomas Finnegan on the ground, as well as Nick DiPaolo playing the role of press secretary tonight.

00:10:33.000 So a lot to get to.

00:10:34.000 And right next to me, of course, you can go see him at Bricktown Comedy Club, October 26th, Josh Firestein.

00:10:40.000 Yes, hello, hello.

00:10:41.000 Yeah, I'm good.

00:10:42.000 Shout out to my mom. 0.99

00:10:43.000 She's watching.

00:10:44.000 Why?

00:10:44.000 So, well, she likes me.

00:10:46.000 And you.

00:10:46.000 She likes you more, actually.

00:10:47.000 I didn't want to say that, but I said it myself.

00:10:49.000 No, no, she doesn't.

00:10:49.000 You're her blood.

00:10:50.000 No, she is.

00:10:51.000 You came from her nethers.

00:10:52.000 I can't prove that.

00:10:56.000 This took a turn.

00:10:56.000 This really took a turn.

00:10:57.000 I'd be concerned if you didn't.

00:11:00.000 Did I miss anything?

00:11:01.000 We got it out of the way.

00:11:02.000 Van Jones is talking.

00:11:03.000 He's not crying.

00:11:03.000 That's okay.

00:11:04.000 That's a good sign.

00:11:04.000 Well, it's early.

00:11:07.000 Give him a minute.

00:11:08.000 We're going to get to our keys to victory here tonight.

00:11:10.000 What I think J.D.

00:11:12.000 Vance needs to do, what I think Walls needs to do is lay there like a slug.

00:11:15.000 It's his only defense.

00:11:18.000 I've also noticed something.

00:11:19.000 Have you noticed that for, aw, gee shucks, kind of Roy Rogers nice guy, I don't think there's anyone in modern politics, including Donald Trump, who uses ad hominem more than Walz.

00:11:28.000 It's the basis of his campaign.

00:11:30.000 He's weird.

00:11:32.000 Project 20, he's a communist.

00:11:33.000 He sleeps, he copulates with couches.

00:11:37.000 Like, I don't know any substance as it relates to Tim Walz on this ticket.

00:11:37.000 Is it just me?

00:11:41.000 We do have to go back to his governorship though, and it's really bad.

00:11:45.000 But can you think of anyone who is more ad hominem based, comment, really, than Walls?

00:11:45.000 It's really bad.

00:11:51.000 And I think the media is going into overdrive to try and make him seem nice.

00:11:54.000 You know what, Mission Control, can we bring up how many interviews JD Vance has done since the announcement versus Walls?

00:11:59.000 I meant to ask for that.

00:12:00.000 I thought it was like 40 or 50.

00:12:02.000 And Walls has done none by himself.

00:12:04.000 They need a zero.

00:12:05.000 They wouldn't upstage Kamala Harris and her answers, and they're like, well, there's this guy in Minnesota.

00:12:10.000 It's always the stuff that he repeats that isn't policy.

00:12:10.000 Right.

00:12:12.000 Like Trump or Vance will repeat stuff like, no tax on tips, or we're not going to have a ban, or whatever.

00:12:17.000 But his is always like, never policy stuff.

00:12:18.000 It's always like, mind your business.

00:12:21.000 Mind your B's and Q's, buddy.

00:12:23.000 Remember who you're dealing with.

00:12:25.000 So the rules tonight, each candidate is going to have two minutes to answer, followed by one minute rebuttals.

00:12:29.000 The mics will be on the entire time, though they reserve the right to shut them off.

00:12:34.000 The closing statement... Depending on who's speaking.

00:12:35.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:12:37.000 And the candidates will be standing, and JD Vance is going to get the closing word because he won the coin toss.

00:12:42.000 Let me tell you a little bit tonight, after the debacle that was ABC.

00:12:45.000 CBS.

00:12:46.000 Ain't much better in here, kid.

00:12:48.000 We have the news anchor Nora O'Donnell.

00:12:50.000 She moderated a Democrat debate in 2020.

00:12:52.000 We have Face the Nation host Margaret Brennan.

00:12:55.000 And both of these people are actually pretty noted as anti-Trump folks.

00:13:00.000 I mean, they chastised him, Donald Trump, after the assassination attempts.

00:13:03.000 I don't know when it sort of ventures into victim blaming, but I would say the victim of an attempted assassination attempt.

00:13:09.000 Attempted assassination.

00:13:10.000 That was redundant.

00:13:11.000 Hit the admonish button.

00:13:11.000 We've got a lot of that time.

00:13:13.000 Attempted attempt.

00:13:15.000 And here's something else, too.

00:13:16.000 This comes from Media Research Center.

00:13:20.000 Of course, all of our references are available.

00:13:23.000 Link in the description, loudwithcrowder.com.

00:13:25.000 The coverage from CBS for Harris has been 85% positive, and it's been 81% negative toward Donald Trump.

00:13:34.000 The CBS president and the CEO donated to Biden in 2020, right?

00:13:38.000 This is Wendy McMahon. 0.98

00:13:39.000 Just to be clear, not to be confused with the wife of Vince McMahon, who is a noted defecator. 0.88

00:13:47.000 I've been watching the docuseries.

00:13:48.000 Yeah, watch the doc.

00:13:50.000 And to give you an idea too, here's someone from CBS on 60 Minutes completely, to know who you're dealing with, completely dismissing the Hunter Biden laptop scandal as basically a hoax.

00:14:01.000 I watch him walk out of a store and he's walking with ice cream.

00:14:06.000 And the question the media asked him, what kind of ice cream, what flavor ice cream do you have?

00:14:11.000 And he's in the midst of a scandal.

00:14:13.000 He's not.

00:14:14.000 And he's taking... He's not.

00:14:15.000 Of course he is, Leslie.

00:14:16.000 No, come on. 0.85

00:14:17.000 Of course he is.

00:14:18.000 It's the biggest, second biggest scandal.

00:14:20.000 The biggest scandal was when they spied on my campaign.

00:14:24.000 They spied on my campaign, Leslie.

00:14:25.000 There's no real evidence of that.

00:14:27.000 Of course there is, it's all over the place.

00:14:29.000 Leslie, they spied on my campaign and they got caught.

00:14:33.000 He's saying Leslie the way Adam Sandler did to the wedding coordinator.

00:14:37.000 Fay! 0.99

00:14:38.000 Fay! 0.99

00:14:41.000 So basically, just so everybody knows, Donald Trump is now being accused of not doing the 60 Minutes interview that's going to air next Monday.

00:14:48.000 Harris is doing it.

00:14:49.000 He basically uses this interview, the one that we just played, as the reason why.

00:14:53.000 He's like, these people haven't apologized yet.

00:14:54.000 Last time I went in there was a hit piece on me and they denied all this stuff, so of course I'm not going to do it.

00:14:58.000 Don't be fooled.

00:14:59.000 He never agreed to do it and he basically said he would love to do it if it was fair.

00:15:03.000 Right.

00:15:04.000 Here are what I think are the keys to victory tonight.

00:15:07.000 So before I get to anything else, and it's very similar because of course they're in the shadow of Donald Trump and Kamala Harris, right?

00:15:12.000 We'll get to foreign policy in a second because neither one of these people have foreign policy experience.

00:15:15.000 Israel, Iran's going to come up. 1.00

00:15:17.000 I think Vance should knock that out of the park.

00:15:19.000 Before that, and I would love to get your feedback here, people are saying just stay on the economy.

00:15:24.000 I don't agree.

00:15:25.000 Because Walz has refused to do any interviews, because people don't know anything about him yet, and generally speaking, the vice presidential candidates, they're not that consequential.

00:15:33.000 In this case, they may be.

00:15:35.000 Donald Trump is older, right?

00:15:36.000 A lot of people think that Harris is unfit.

00:15:37.000 She may not serve a whole term because they've seen that kind of precedent for lack of better description with Joe Biden.

00:15:45.000 How many of you, by the way, think that Joe Biden is going to step down before the election?

00:15:47.000 We have a betting pool in the office right now.

00:15:49.000 I think that J.D.

00:15:50.000 Vance needs to show the world who Tim Walz is.

00:15:52.000 Okay.

00:15:53.000 I think that tonight, at some point, this is the only opportunity he has.

00:15:56.000 The media will not call Walls to the mat on this.

00:15:59.000 He needs to expose the most radical policies because Walls is so out of touch with the American people.

00:16:04.000 He needs to ensure that they do not leave this debate with any doubt.

00:16:08.000 So, what are his most radical policies?

00:16:09.000 That he made Minnesota a trans-sanctuary state, meaning they can take your children away from you.

00:16:14.000 Effectively, they can hide their children from you if they want to transition and you don't do it. 0.98

00:16:17.000 He made abortion legal with no exceptions all the way up to and including birth.

00:16:20.000 That means a full nine months.

00:16:22.000 Uh, he instituted a hotline during COVID to snitch on your neighbor.

00:16:25.000 He had his police actually paintball people to keep them in their houses.

00:16:25.000 That was a big one.

00:16:29.000 He, uh... What else?

00:16:31.000 What else?

00:16:32.000 Oh! 0.60

00:16:32.000 China! 0.60

00:16:33.000 No one has spent more time in China than Walls, by the way.

00:16:36.000 He printed out Mao's Little Red Book and gave it out as a gift.

00:16:40.000 This guy, I believe, I don't think that Kamala, I think Kamala Harris is a byproduct of her environment, San Francisco, right, being indoctrinated in higher education, I know that she grew up in an area of Montreal, very liberal, but she doesn't believe anything, that's why she flip-flops so easily.

00:16:52.000 I think Walz is actually a communist.

00:16:55.000 Actually, and I don't say that about everybody, Pinko Kami. 0.55

00:16:57.000 It's not Red Dawn.

00:16:58.000 I think he's an actual communist.

00:17:01.000 And I think the public needs to know that this man believes in taking your kids away from you and hiding them if you don't transition six, eight, nine-year-olds.

00:17:08.000 I think the public needs to know that.

00:17:09.000 I think when they talk about abortion, they say it's an Achilles' heel of the Republicans.

00:17:12.000 I think you need to flip it back on him and say, but you allow abortions up until the hour before and including birth.

00:17:17.000 I don't mean that they need to spend a ton of time on it.

00:17:20.000 But if by the end of this debate the American public, those who have tuned in, do not know the radical nature of Mr. Walz and his wife, I think it's a failure.

00:17:30.000 They should know, and we'll bring up this montage, that this is Tim Walz.

00:17:35.000 Like, I have white guy tacos and, like, black... What is that? 0.62

00:17:38.000 Like mayonnaise and tuna?

00:17:39.000 What are you doing?

00:17:40.000 Pretty much ground beef and cheese.

00:17:42.000 That's okay.

00:17:42.000 You don't have to be racist.

00:17:44.000 Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey has faced heavy criticism for how he handled the unrest following the death of George Floyd.

00:17:51.000 And as John Crowan reports, the mayor now appears to be shifting some of that blame to Governor Tim Walz.

00:17:57.000 But we can get out there.

00:17:58.000 Reach out.

00:17:59.000 Make the case.

00:18:00.000 And for one thing, don't ever shy away from our progressive values.

00:18:04.000 One person's socialism is another person's neighborliness.

00:18:07.000 So this pause is what we're going to ask you to do.

00:18:10.000 It's going to start this Friday at 11.59 and it's social gatherings with other households.

00:18:17.000 Don't bring other households in. 0.99

00:18:19.000 Don't bring, and this is, I have a big family.

00:18:22.000 We do a lot of things together.

00:18:25.000 That's not going to be possible.

00:18:26.000 Let's go!

00:18:27.000 Light them up!

00:18:31.000 Go inside now!

00:18:32.000 Get inside the house!

00:18:34.000 This morning, Governor Walz signed a new executive order.

00:18:36.000 It will protect the rights of Minnesota's LGBTQ plus community to seek and receive gender-affirming health care.

00:18:42.000 Advocates say that this is a huge step forward for our state.

00:18:46.000 The idea that you said that you were in war.

00:18:48.000 Did you misspeak as the campaign has said?

00:18:50.000 Yeah, I said we were talking about in this case, this was after a school shooting, the ideas of carrying these weapons of war.

00:18:55.000 And my wife, the English tone, my grammar is not always correct.

00:18:59.000 Kamala Harris is running mate.

00:18:59.000 Welcome back.

00:19:00.000 Minnesota Governor Tim Walz has praised China after living and teaching there for a year and visiting China about 30 times.

00:19:07.000 I happen to be and understand a little about China and lived in China and speak Chinese.

00:19:11.000 I'm pretty friendly with China.

00:19:13.000 We can't afford four more years of this.

00:19:16.000 Minnesota's DFL governor today signed three progressive bills into law that boost health care safeguards in Minnesota.

00:19:22.000 They're designed to protect those getting abortions and gender care along with a new conversion therapy ban.

00:19:31.000 In this case, gathered in support of legal protections for people seeking gender-affirming care for themselves or their children.

00:19:38.000 But the paper Governor Walz signed was an executive order.

00:19:41.000 We have more refugees per capita than any other state.

00:19:45.000 That's not just morally a good thing, it's our economic and cultural future.

00:19:50.000 This beautiful diversity we see out in Worthington when I'm there, you see 50 languages spoken in the school.

00:19:56.000 And I gotta tell you, I can't wait to debate the guy.

00:20:01.000 That is if he's willing to get off the couch and show up.

00:20:04.000 You see what I did there?

00:20:11.000 That's terrible.

00:20:14.000 And I know what you're thinking.

00:20:15.000 He's killing.

00:20:16.000 Yes!

00:20:17.000 You see what I did there?

00:20:20.000 Hey, come on! 1.00

00:20:21.000 I always like it when I point out that it's a punchline.

00:20:23.000 You know, maybe I could have a silly tie and a spinning little... And a hat that has a propeller.

00:20:31.000 I know what you're thinking. 1.00

00:20:32.000 Walz is a pussy. 1.00

00:20:34.000 And so his wife wears the pants. 1.00

00:20:36.000 But here's the thing.

00:20:37.000 His wife, and she's fair game because she's out there speaking publicly. 0.54

00:20:41.000 When you think of radical teachers, there are good teachers out there, but teachers who think of your children as mere putty for them to mold and indoctrinate.

00:20:48.000 Think of the Walzes. 1.00

00:20:50.000 Mr. Walz's wife is just as crazy. 1.00

00:20:53.000 She's more crazy than him. 0.99

00:20:58.000 But I kinda liked it when she did this. 0.98

00:21:01.000 Turn the page.

00:21:03.000 You like that?

00:21:04.000 Okay, so I need you to be with me and practice with me.

00:21:08.000 What are we gonna do?

00:21:09.000 We're gonna turn the page!

00:21:11.000 Oh, pretty good!

00:21:12.000 Do it again! 0.79

00:21:12.000 We're gonna turn the page! 0.79

00:21:14.000 Yeah, the problem is we're adults.

00:21:15.000 Ready?

00:21:15.000 Let's hear it loud and clear like we said.

00:21:18.000 Mr. Trump, Mr. Vance, please mind your own business!

00:21:25.000 Maya, what are you doing?

00:21:26.000 Oh, that was excellent!

00:21:27.000 I would say those first days, you know, when there were riots, I could smell the burning tires.

00:21:34.000 That was a very real thing.

00:21:38.000 And I kept the windows open for as long as I could because I felt like that was such a touchstone of what was happening.

00:21:44.000 Yankee Doodle burning tire.

00:21:45.000 Just listen to my teacher voice and then we're going to practice it.

00:21:49.000 Yeah, but we hate your teacher voice.

00:21:51.000 School has started!

00:21:53.000 Bye-bye, Donald Trump!

00:21:56.000 This is real.

00:21:57.000 Look at her face.

00:21:59.000 Look at those eyes, man.

00:22:02.000 Woah.

00:22:04.000 52 days and we are turning the page!

00:22:08.000 52 days and it is bye bye Donald Trump!

00:22:12.000 That is important to show because if he ever gets close to the Oval Office, it's going

00:22:18.000 to be a bad time for white women. 1.00

00:22:20.000 Because that woman is going to be seen as volunteering for you as tribute. 1.00

00:22:25.000 Do you see her face?

00:22:27.000 You ever seen someone with crazy eyes?

00:22:28.000 I've known three people in my life with crazy eyes.

00:22:30.000 Three people in my life, and I could name them, and I could tell you when I saw they had crazy eyes.

00:22:33.000 Comment below.

00:22:35.000 You know someone with crazy eyes?

00:22:36.000 Do it, dude. 1.00

00:22:37.000 You know someone with really dumb eyes where the lights aren't on? 0.99

00:22:39.000 You know someone with crazy eyes where it's like, oh, this person has a skin suit in their closet? 1.00

00:22:43.000 Her face is becoming twisted from her craziness.

00:22:45.000 She's sitting there, she's like, OK, go with, she just can't help herself, and go with me!

00:22:49.000 It's like a James Wan movie.

00:22:51.000 I'm your teacher! 0.54

00:22:53.000 She seems like the kind of lady who asks a black lady to touch their hair. 1.00

00:22:55.000 Yes, yes exactly. 0.96

00:22:58.000 Test how water resistant it is.

00:22:59.000 At least she asks, but it's still kind of weird.

00:23:01.000 It's still kind of uncomfortable.

00:23:03.000 I don't understand turning the page though.

00:23:05.000 Turning the page from the previous administration, like Tim Walz saying that you can't have four more years of this.

00:23:09.000 You're right!

00:23:10.000 We do need to turn the page from you!

00:23:11.000 Well, here's the problem, because not all women are like Tim Walz's wife, just to be clear, so I don't want to be seen as picking on women.

00:23:17.000 When a man is with a woman like that, okay, a bad man hits her. 0.99

00:23:20.000 We all agree, a bad man. 0.99

00:23:21.000 A good man kills himself. 0.99

00:23:22.000 Those are the only two options. 0.99

00:23:24.000 Or hits himself.

00:23:25.000 It's either, you know, keep your pin pan strong, or you're swallowing a shotgun with a tow trigger.

00:23:33.000 Dang, that was a Courtney Love shot if I've ever heard one!

00:23:37.000 And by the way, of course, share this right there.

00:23:39.000 You can click like to let people know because of course the YouTube algorithm makes sure that no one sees this.

00:23:44.000 I hope you're watching on Rumble.

00:23:45.000 Here are the other keys to victory, I think, for Vance tonight.

00:23:50.000 Like I said before, especially it's going to go to Donald Trump.

00:23:52.000 They're going to be talking about Trump and Harris, especially on foreign policy, right?

00:23:55.000 What he needs to do is parry.

00:23:56.000 Like I've said, not spend a lot of time on defense.

00:23:58.000 Get that out of here. 1.00

00:24:00.000 They need to counterattack, hit walls with the results of Kamala and Joe's destructive policies, and the strongest thing they can do is contrast, contrast, contrast.

00:24:08.000 Contrast inflation.

00:24:09.000 Contrast employment.

00:24:11.000 Contrast the economy.

00:24:12.000 Contrast global affairs, right?

00:24:14.000 We had eight years of Obama.

00:24:16.000 We had three years, really, of Donald Trump, and now at this point we've had three and a half, basically, years of Biden.

00:24:22.000 One of these things is not like the other.

00:24:23.000 Point to that record.

00:24:25.000 I don't think Tim Walz is going to want to do that.

00:24:27.000 That's what I think needs to be done tonight.

00:24:29.000 You can let me know if you disagree.

00:24:31.000 And Gerald, what are your keys to victory?

00:24:35.000 Any hole will do.

00:24:40.000 Man, I thought there were some real ones coming! 1.00

00:24:43.000 I hate all of you. 0.93

00:24:44.000 And by the way, on the Middle East stuff, obviously we saw Iran launching ballistic missiles into Israel. 0.97

00:24:49.000 One of the things they can point to is the kind of things that Donald Trump has said to, you know, leaders of Iran in the past, leaders in the Middle East, the things that he's accomplished with the Abraham Accords, moving the embassy to Jerusalem.

00:25:00.000 All of those things happened, and yet the Middle East was not on fire.

00:25:05.000 Right now it is on fire, absolutely.

00:25:07.000 Well, that's a good contrast here.

00:25:09.000 Let's show, actually, it's the clip Biden-Israel, Biden's response to the conflict going on with Israel, Hezbollah, Iran right now.

00:25:15.000 Again, the contrast is important.

00:25:16.000 Biden and then Trump.

00:25:17.000 And then we'll get to the debate.

00:25:19.000 At my direction, the United States military actively supported the defense of Israel.

00:25:24.000 And we're still assessing the impact.

00:25:26.000 But based on what we know now, the attack appears to have been defeated and ineffective.

00:25:31.000 And this is testament to Israeli military capability and U.S. 0.92

00:25:34.000 military.

00:25:36.000 I'm also a testament to intensive planning between the United States and Israel to participate and defend against the invasion attack we expected.

00:25:46.000 Make no mistake, the United States is fully, fully, fully supportive of Israel.

00:25:51.000 And I've just spent the morning and part of the afternoon in the Situation Room.

00:25:56.000 You know what's interesting is, you know what they used for the defense?

00:26:00.000 Yeah, the thing that you basically raked Reagan over the coals for, back in the 80s, right?

00:26:05.000 Star Wars.

00:26:06.000 They used a version of that with the Iron Dome.

00:26:07.000 Well, let's contrast that with Donald Trump.

00:26:08.000 He issued his press release on Truth Social, or a statement, When I was president, Iran was in total check.

00:26:16.000 They were starved for cash, fully contained, and desperate to make a deal.

00:26:20.000 Kamala flooded them with American cash.

00:26:22.000 And ever since, they've been exporting terror all over.

00:26:26.000 And unraveling the Middle East, which is correct, because I don't know if you know this, but Donald Trump's sanctions cost Iran $1 trillion.

00:26:33.000 He pulled out of the Iran deal, which of course was started by Barack Obama.

00:26:36.000 People like Trump said it was a horrible deal.

00:26:38.000 And then of course, the Harris, I was about to say Harris-Trump, the Harris-Biden administration, you know, they basically removed some of those sanctions, allowing them access to $10 billion in cash.

00:26:45.000 And there's a good chance that the money that's being used for these rockets right now is coming from you, the American taxpayer.

00:26:50.000 So, might be something to consider.

00:26:52.000 Oops.

00:26:52.000 Meanwhile, KJP said they didn't lift any sanctions.

00:26:55.000 That's right.

00:26:55.000 She did say that.

00:26:56.000 Are we about to go?

00:26:56.000 All right.

00:26:57.000 Yep.

00:26:58.000 All right.

00:26:58.000 We have blue and purple drinking game rules.

00:26:59.000 We'll bring them up.

00:27:00.000 And by the way, of course, today, live fact-checking as we do every debate night.

00:27:04.000 Use a promo code VPDEBATE.

00:27:05.000 You get $15 off.

00:27:06.000 Republican Senator J.D.

00:27:08.000 Vance of Ohio.

00:27:09.000 Now, this is likely the final debate of this election cycle.

00:27:12.000 You know these two were competing before on air.

00:27:14.000 Like, who's going to have the better pose?

00:27:16.000 That is a pose over there on the left.

00:27:19.000 Either a pose or a skull.

00:27:21.000 Nice jacket, Leslie. 0.84

00:27:22.000 It makes your chin look fat.

00:27:25.000 They are just, you can just tell they don't like each other.

00:27:28.000 Really a turtleneck with that neck?

00:27:30.000 Pink again.

00:27:31.000 Next time you do Botox on your forehead, don't forget the skin under your chin.

00:27:36.000 By the way, we'll go to this later, but a huge crowd of supporters for Donald Trump

00:27:39.000 has gathered outside of the CBS studio in New York.

00:27:42.000 Oh, that's fun.

00:27:43.000 With flags and everything everywhere, so good on you, New York.

00:27:46.000 All right, let's bring up drinking game rules.

00:27:47.000 Here they go.

00:27:48.000 Bring up the debate.

00:27:49.000 It is anytime Walz doesn't directly answer a question, you drink.

00:27:52.000 Anytime someone mentions Project 2025, you drink.

00:27:53.000 Anytime Walz mentions coach or teacher, drink.

00:27:55.000 Anytime JD Vance proverbially sexually accosts Walz, you drink.

00:28:00.000 When you finish your drink, anytime the moderators gang up on Vance.

00:28:00.000 Beast mode.

00:28:04.000 Here we go!

00:28:05.000 And have a drink to start.

00:28:06.000 And I look always surprised.

00:28:06.000 Okay.

00:28:07.000 We have pig feet us. 0.99

00:28:08.000 We have a consequential night ahead and our focus is the issues that matter to you and I look always surprised the

00:28:08.000 I'm sorry.

00:28:14.000 candidates Minnesota's Democratic governor Tim Walz and Ohio's

00:28:18.000 Republican senator. We have pig G. I'm sorry. Mr. Walls meeting for the first time 0.85

00:28:23.000 I'm Margaret Brennan I'm waiting.

00:28:32.000 These are the rules that both campaigns have agreed to.

00:28:36.000 Questions will be directed at one candidate who will have two minutes to respond.

00:28:41.000 The other candidate will be allowed two minutes for rebuttal.

00:28:44.000 The lady on the left of the screen in the blue hates the lady in the pink. 1.00

00:28:49.000 I don't know why.

00:28:49.000 I guarantee it.

00:28:50.000 They're going to be on their best behavior because of what happened with ABC.

00:28:53.000 of the moderators is to facilitate the debate between the candidates, enforce the rules

00:28:58.000 and provide the candidates with the opportunity to factor in claims to be cited.

00:29:01.000 They're going to be on their best behavior because of what happened with ABC.

00:29:04.000 They really have to be skilled in hiding their bias, but we know they have it.

00:29:09.000 We have not shared the questions or topics with the campaign.

00:29:14.000 And no one, I repeat no one, will have Bluetooth earrings.

00:29:17.000 Let's get started.

00:29:18.000 Tonight our country is facing several unsolving crises.

00:29:21.000 The Middle East is on the brink of war.

00:29:23.000 Americans are suffering from the catastrophic impact of Hurricane Helene.

00:29:27.000 And now a labor strike as 25,000 dock workers from Maine to Texas are picketing.

00:29:32.000 We're going to begin tonight with the Middle East.

00:29:35.000 Margaret.

00:29:36.000 Thank you, Nora.

00:29:37.000 Earlier today, Iran launched its largest attack yet on Israel, but that attack failed thanks to joint U.S.

00:29:45.000 and Israeli defensive action.

00:29:47.000 President Biden has deployed more than 40,000 U.S.

00:29:51.000 military personnel and assets to that region over the past year to try to prevent a regional war.

00:29:58.000 Iran is weakened.

00:30:00.000 But the U.S.

00:30:00.000 still considers it the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world, and it has drastically reduced the time it would take to develop a nuclear weapon.

00:30:09.000 It is down now to one or two weeks' time.

00:30:13.000 Governor Walz, if you were the final voice in the Situation Room, would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran?

00:30:23.000 You have two minutes.

00:30:24.000 Well thank you, and thank you for those joining at home tonight.

00:30:27.000 Let's keep in mind where this started.

00:30:29.000 October 7th, Hamas terrorists massacred over 1,400 Israelis and took prisoners.

00:30:39.000 Israel's ability to be able to defend itself is absolutely fundamental.

00:30:42.000 Getting its hostages back, fundamental.

00:30:46.000 And ending the humanitarian crisis.

00:30:47.000 Hear that?

00:30:47.000 That's the sound of them losing Hamtramck, Dearborn, and a lot of Minnesota.

00:30:50.000 But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there. 1.00

00:30:58.000 You saw it experienced today where along with our Israeli partners and our coalition able to stop the incoming attack.

00:31:06.000 But what's fundamental here is that steady leadership is going to matter.

00:31:10.000 It's clear and the world saw it on that day.

00:31:12.000 Add to the drinking game anytime he uses fundamental.

00:31:15.000 That's his word whisker when he's nervous.

00:31:16.000 This is a layout for Vance.

00:31:17.000 is not what we need in this moment.

00:31:20.000 But it's not just that.

00:31:22.000 It's those that were closest to Donald Trump that understand how dangerous he is when the

00:31:26.000 world is this dangerous.

00:31:28.000 His chief of staff John Kelly said that he was the most flawed human being on earth.

00:31:37.000 What?

00:31:37.000 $6 billion?

00:31:38.000 advisors what said he should be nowhere six billion pounds now the person

00:31:42.000 closest to them no allow them access to 10 billion in funds in 2023 Donald

00:31:45.000 Trump said he's unfit for the highest office that was senator Vance what

00:31:50.000 we've seen out of vice president Harris is we've seen steady leadership we've

00:31:54.000 seen a calm also peace You see Vance's face?

00:31:56.000 He knows he's got it.

00:31:57.000 the room. You see Vance's face, he knows he's got it. You mean your coalition with Iran?

00:32:19.000 There's never been a greater coalition with terror than the Obama slash Biden extension with Iran. 0.85

00:32:24.000 Iran. It's not even close. Your time is up. Senator Vance, the same question.

00:32:27.000 Would you sit down or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran? You have two minutes.

00:32:34.000 So, Morgan, I want to answer the question.

00:32:35.000 First of all, thanks, Governor.

00:32:37.000 Thanks to CBS for hosting the debate.

00:32:38.000 And thanks, most importantly, to the American people who are watching this evening and caring enough about this country to pay attention to this vice-presidential debate.

00:32:45.000 I want to answer the question, but I want to actually give an introduction to myself a little bit, because I recognize a lot of Americans don't know who either one of us are.

00:32:52.000 I was raised in a working-class family.

00:32:54.000 My mother required food assistance for periods of her life. 0.98

00:32:56.000 My grandmother required Social Security help to raise me.

00:33:00.000 And she raised me because my own mother struggled with addiction for a big chunk of my early life.

00:33:04.000 I went to college on the GI Bill after I enlisted in the Marine Corps and served in Iraq.

00:33:09.000 He's doing this because he knows that Walls is going to try and say he went to Yale.

00:33:12.000 He's cutting him off.

00:33:13.000 He's going to go to a direct answer.

00:33:15.000 I bet my life on it.

00:33:16.000 He's going to get specific on Iran.

00:33:16.000 Watch.

00:33:18.000 He's cutting Walls off the knees.

00:33:20.000 This is smart.

00:33:20.000 worried about the chaos in the world and the feeling that the American dream is unattainable.

00:33:25.000 I want to try to convince you tonight over the next 90 minutes that if we get better

00:33:29.000 leadership in the White House, if we get Donald Trump back in the White House, the American

00:33:33.000 dream is going to be attainable once again.

00:33:35.000 Now, to answer this particular question, we have to remember that as much as Governor

00:33:39.000 Walz just accused Donald Trump of being an agent of chaos, Donald Trump actually delivered

00:33:44.000 stability in the world, and he did it by establishing effective deterrence.

00:33:48.000 People were afraid of stepping out of line.

00:33:51.000 Iran, which launched this attack, has received over $100 billion in unfrozen assets thanks to the Kamala Harris administration.

00:33:59.000 What do they use that money for?

00:34:00.000 They use it to buy weapons that they're now launching against our allies, and God forbid, potentially launching against the United States as well.

00:34:07.000 Donald Trump recognized that for people to fear the United States, you needed peace through strength.

00:34:12.000 They needed to recognize that if they got out of line, the United States global leadership would put stability and peace back in the world.

00:34:20.000 Now, you asked about a preemptive strike, Margaret, and I want to answer the question.

00:34:23.000 Look, it is up to Israel what they think they need to do to keep their country safe, and we should support our allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys.

00:34:31.000 I think that's the right approach to take with the Israel question.

00:34:35.000 Thank you, Senator.

00:34:36.000 Governor Balls, do you care to respond to any of the allegations?

00:34:40.000 Well, look, Donald Trump was in office.

00:34:41.000 We'll sometimes hear a revisionist history, but when Donald Trump was in office, it was Donald Trump who we had a coalition of nations that had boxed Iran's nuclear program in, the inability to advance it.

00:34:54.000 Donald Trump pulled that program and put nothing else in its place.

00:34:58.000 So Iran is closer to a nuclear weapon.

00:35:00.000 According to Al Jazeera, Donald Trump's sanctions cost Iran $1 trillion.

00:35:03.000 Bring it up.

00:35:04.000 Fact check false, Tim.

00:35:04.000 else. Tim Walz. What?

00:35:06.000 What?

00:35:27.000 He will go to whoever has the most flattery or where it makes sense to him.

00:35:31.000 Steady leadership like you witnessed today, like you witnessed in April.

00:35:35.000 Both Iranian attacks were repelled.

00:35:37.000 Our coalition is strong and we need the steady leadership that Kamala Harris is providing.

00:35:42.000 Senator Vance, the U.S.

00:35:43.000 did make a diplomatic deal with Iran to temporarily pause parts of its nuclear program and President Trump did exit that deal.

00:35:53.000 He recently said, just five days ago, the U.S.

00:35:57.000 must now make a diplomatic deal with Iran because the consequences are impossible.

00:36:03.000 Did he make a mistake?

00:36:04.000 You have one minute.

00:36:05.000 Well, first of all, Margaret, diplomacy is not a dirty word, but I think that's something that Governor Walz just said is quite extraordinary.

00:36:11.000 You yourself just said Iran is as close to a nuclear weapon today as they have ever been, and Governor Walz, you blame Donald Trump.

00:36:18.000 Who has been the vice president for the last three and a half years?

00:36:21.000 And the answer is your running mate, not mine.

00:36:23.000 Donald Trump consistently made the world more secure.

00:36:27.000 Now we talk about the sequence of events that led us to where we are right now, and you can't ignore October the 7th, which I appreciate Governor Walz bringing up.

00:36:37.000 But when did Iran and Hamas and their proxies attack Israel?

00:36:41.000 It was during the administration of Kamala Harris.

00:36:44.000 Governor Walz can criticize Donald Trump's tweets, but effective, smart diplomacy and peace through strength is how you bring stability back to a very broken world.

00:36:54.000 Donald Trump has already done it once before.

00:36:56.000 Ask yourself at home, when was the last time, I'm 40 years old, when was the last time that an American president didn't have a major conflict breakout?

00:37:05.000 The only answer is during the four years that Donald Trump was president.

00:37:08.000 Drink, beast mode, JD Vance, beast mode.

00:37:10.000 Bring up the drinking game rules one more time, you can play along with us.

00:37:14.000 More than 160 people are dead and hundreds more are missing.

00:37:15.000 Bring up the drinking game rules one more time, you can play along with us.

00:37:17.000 More than 160 people are dead and hundreds more are missing.

00:37:23.000 Scientists say climate change makes these hurricanes larger, stronger.

00:37:28.000 Walls is going to answer, include climate change.

00:37:31.000 J.D.

00:37:31.000 Vance is going to put it on poor leadership.

00:37:33.000 That's how this is going to go.

00:37:34.000 That's the gang up drink.

00:37:34.000 seven in ten Americans and more than 60% of Republicans under the age of 45

00:37:41.000 favor the US taking steps to try and reduce climate change.

00:37:46.000 That's the gang up drink. That's a bias by gang up.

00:37:51.000 I'll give you two minutes. Sure so first of all let's start with the hurricane

00:37:56.000 because it's an unbelievable unspeakable human tragedy.

00:37:59.000 I just saw today, actually, a photograph of two grandparents on a roof with a six-year-old child, and it was the last photograph ever taken of them because the roof collapsed and those innocent people lost their lives.

00:38:09.000 And I'm sure Governor Walz joins me in saying our hearts go out to those innocent people, our prayers go out to them, and we want as robust and aggressive as a federal response as we can get to save as many lives as possible.

00:38:20.000 and then of course afterwards to help the people in those communities rebuild.

00:38:24.000 I mean, these are communities that I love.

00:38:25.000 Some of them I know very personally in Appalachia, all across the Southeast.

00:38:29.000 They need their government to do their job.

00:38:32.000 And I commit that when Donald Trump is president again, the government will put the citizens

00:38:36.000 of this country first when they suffer from a disaster.

00:38:38.000 Now, Norah, you asked about climate change.

00:38:40.000 I think this is a very important issue.

00:38:42.000 Look, a lot of people are justifiably worried about all these crazy weather patterns.

00:38:46.000 I think it's important for us, first of all, to say, Donald Trump and I support clean air, clean water.

00:38:51.000 We want the environment to be cleaner and safer.

00:38:53.000 But one of the things that I've noticed, some of our Democratic friends talking a lot about, is a concern about carbon emissions, this idea that carbon emissions drives all of the climate change.

00:39:03.000 Well, let's just say that's true.

00:39:04.000 Just for the sake of argument, so we're not arguing about weird science, let's just say that's true.

00:39:08.000 Well, if you believe that, what would you want to do?

00:39:11.000 The answer is that you'd want to reshore as much American manufacturing as possible, and you'd want to produce as much energy as possible in the United States of America, because we're the cleanest economy in the entire world.

00:39:23.000 What have Kamala Harris's policies actually led to? 0.99

00:39:26.000 More energy production in China, more manufacturing overseas, more doing business in some of the dirtiest parts of the entire world. 0.99

00:39:33.000 And when I say that, I mean the amount of carbon emissions they're doing per unit of economic output.

00:39:38.000 He's trying to drag Walls to China because he knows that Walls is like this with China. 0.94

00:39:42.000 He may be the best debater we've seen in the last two decades.

00:39:44.000 Look at all the joy on his face.

00:39:45.000 It's a joy.

00:39:46.000 When he panics, he gets pinker.

00:39:46.000 and unfortunately Kamala Harris has done exactly the opposite.

00:39:49.000 Governor Walz. Look at all the joy on his face.

00:39:53.000 So joy. All those things are happening. Look, first of all, it is a horrific tragedy with

00:40:00.000 this hurricane and my heart goes out to the folks that are down there. When he panics

00:40:03.000 he gets pinker. Are in contact with the governors. I serve as. He's nervous.

00:40:07.000 Oh, Vance, what are we going to do tomorrow night?

00:40:09.000 Listen to Maui, you're East Palestine. 1.00

00:40:10.000 Have him on your watch tomorrow.

00:40:10.000 I told you, he has to go to climate change.

00:40:12.000 What did I tell you?

00:40:13.000 Vance is going to go to leadership?

00:40:13.000 He's going to go to climate change.

00:40:15.000 responders on the ground. Those happen on the front end.

00:40:18.000 The federal government comes in, makes sure they're there too, that we recover.

00:40:21.000 But we're still in that phase where we need to make sure they're staying there,

00:40:24.000 staying focused.

00:40:25.000 Now look, coming on your watch, there's no doubt this told you he's going to

00:40:28.000 climate. He has to go to climate change stronger than any.

00:40:30.000 What did I tell you?

00:40:31.000 Vance is gonna go to leadership. He's gonna go to climate change. Vance did

00:40:34.000 it in a roundabout way. That was even more clever than I thought. And then

00:40:37.000 these things would make more Beachmont property to be able to invest in.

00:40:41.000 What we've seen out of the Harris administration now, the Biden-Harris

00:40:45.000 administration, is we've seen this investment. We've seen massive

00:40:48.000 investments, the biggest in global history that we've seen in the

00:40:52.000 Inflation Reduction Act, has created jobs all across the country. 2,000 in

00:40:56.000 Jeffersonville, Ohio, taking the EV technology that we invented and making

00:41:01.000 it here. 200,000 jobs across the country. The largest solar manufacturing plant in

00:41:06.000 North America, sets in Minnesota. But my farmers know climate change is real.

00:41:10.000 They've seen 500-year droughts, 500-year floods back-to-back.

00:41:14.000 But what they're doing is adapting and this has allowed them to tell me...

00:41:17.000 Hey, American public, people in Carolina right now...

00:41:23.000 Guess how you know they don't care about you?

00:41:24.000 They're talking about electric vehicles.

00:41:28.000 When you're fighting for your life.

00:41:30.000 Is to continue to move forward that climate change is real.

00:41:34.000 Reducing our impact is absolutely critical.

00:41:36.000 But this is not a false choice.

00:41:38.000 You can do that at the same time you're creating the jobs that we're seeing all across the

00:41:42.000 country.

00:41:43.000 That's exactly what this administration has done.

00:41:45.000 We are seeing us becoming an energy superpower for the future, not just the current.

00:41:50.000 And that's what absolutely makes sense.

00:41:52.000 And then we start thinking about.

00:41:53.000 The direct, by the way, emission control, the direct push to EVs has emboldened China.

00:41:57.000 They create more EVs.

00:41:57.000 I believe they're number two in the world outside of Tesla, like number two through seven.

00:42:01.000 People don't realize that here.

00:42:03.000 Not to mention the mining for the batteries.

00:42:05.000 What the president has said is that if the Democrats, in particular Kamala Harris and her leadership, if they really believe that climate change is serious, what they would be doing is more manufacturing and more energy production in the United States of America, and that's not what they're doing.

00:42:19.000 So clearly Kamala Harris herself doesn't believe her own rhetoric on this.

00:42:23.000 If she did, she would actually agree with Donald Trump's energy policies.

00:42:27.000 Now, something Governor Walz said I think is important to touch upon, because when we

00:42:31.000 talk about clean energy, I think that's a slogan that often...

00:42:34.000 the Democrats will use here. I'm talking of course about the Democratic leadership and the real issue

00:42:39.000 is that if you're spending hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars of American taxpayer

00:42:44.000 money on solar panels that are made in China, number one, you're going to make the economy 0.95

00:42:49.000 dirtier. We should be making more of those solar panels here in the United States of America.

00:42:53.000 Some of them are, Tim, but a lot of them are being made overseas in China, especially the components

00:42:57.000 that go into those solar panels. So if you really want to make the environment cleaner,

00:43:02.000 you've got to invest in more energy production. We haven't built a nuclear facility, I think,

00:43:06.000 one in the past 40 years. Natural gas, we got to invest more in it. Kamala Harris has done the

00:43:11.000 opposite. That's raised energy prices and also meant that we're doing worse by the climate.

00:43:16.000 Senator, your time is up. Governor, would you like to respond?

00:43:18.000 Well, look, we're producing more natural gas.

00:43:21.000 There's no moratorium on that.

00:43:21.000 Come on, man.

00:43:22.000 We're producing more oil.

00:43:23.000 But the folks know, and like I said again, these are not liberal folks.

00:43:28.000 These are not folks that are Green New Deal folks.

00:43:30.000 These are farmers that have been drought one year, massive flooding the next year.

00:43:35.000 They understand that it makes sense.

00:43:36.000 Look, our number one export cannot be topsoil from erosion from these massive storms.

00:43:42.000 We saw it in Minnesota this summer.

00:43:44.000 That's a lining practice.

00:43:46.000 So those affected by the hurricane, don't worry.

00:43:52.000 There are more electric Chinese vehicles coming your way.

00:43:56.000 That'll fix the next one.

00:43:57.000 Yeah, by the way, BYD number one by a long shot, more than Tesla.

00:44:02.000 BYD number one, Tesla number two.

00:44:03.000 There you go.

00:44:04.000 But to call it a hoax and to take the oil company executives to Mar-a-Lago, say give me money for my campaign and I'll let you do whatever you want.

00:44:14.000 We can be smarter about that and an all-above energy policy is exactly what she's doing, creating those jobs right here. 1.00

00:44:20.000 Governor, your time is up.

00:44:21.000 The overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the Earth's climate is warming at an unprecedented rate.

00:44:26.000 Wall fact check.

00:44:27.000 Drink.

00:44:27.000 Up.

00:44:28.000 Gang up to the moderators.

00:44:29.000 They put in a last word to try and save walls.

00:44:32.000 Did you see that?

00:44:33.000 ... consistently ranks as one of the top issue for American voters.

00:44:37.000 Immigration.

00:44:38.000 Senator Vance.

00:44:39.000 Your campaign is pledging to carry out the largest mass deportation plan in American history, and to use the U.S.

00:44:47.000 military to do so.

00:44:49.000 Could you be more specific about exactly how this will work?

00:44:52.000 For example, would you deport So first of all, Margaret, before we talk about deportations, we have to stop the bleeding.

00:44:59.000 Let's start with the criminals who are here who have been apprehended.

00:45:01.000 Let's deport them first. 1.00

00:45:02.000 He's going to do that.

00:45:03.000 Watch.

00:45:04.000 So first of all, Margaret, before we talk about deportations, we have to stop the bleeding.

00:45:07.000 We have a historic immigration crisis because Kamala Harris started and said that she wanted 1.00

00:45:13.000 to undo all of Donald Trump's border policies.

00:45:16.000 Ninety-four executive orders suspending deportations, decriminalizing illegal aliens, massively 0.69

00:45:22.000 increasing the asylum fraud that exists in our system.

00:45:25.000 That has opened the floodgates.

00:45:27.000 And what it's meant is that a lot of fentanyl is coming into our country.

00:45:30.000 I had a mother who struggled with opioid addiction and has gotten clean.

00:45:34.000 I don't want people who are struggling with addiction to be deprived of their second chance because Kamala Harris let in fentanyl into our communities at record levels.

00:45:43.000 So you've got to stop the bleeding.

00:45:45.000 You've got to re-implement Donald Trump's border policies, build the wall, re-implement deportations.

00:45:51.000 And that gets me to your point, Margaret, about what do we actually do?

00:45:54.000 So we've got 20, 25 million illegal aliens who are here in the country.

00:45:58.000 What do we do with them?

00:45:58.000 I think the first thing that we do is we start with the criminal migrants.

00:46:02.000 About a million of those people have committed some form of crime in addition to crossing the border illegally.

00:46:07.000 We're kindred spirits.

00:46:08.000 You are.

00:46:08.000 I think you start with deportations on those folks.

00:46:10.000 It's like he's reading my notes.

00:46:11.000 And then I think you make it harder for illegal aliens to undercut the wages of American workers. 0.99

00:46:16.000 A lot of people will go home if they can't work for less than minimum wage in our own country.

00:46:20.000 And by the way, that'll be really good for our workers who just want to earn a fair wage for doing a good day's work.

00:46:26.000 And the final point, Margaret, is you ask about family separation.

00:46:28.000 Right now, in this country, Margaret, we have 320,000 children that the Department of Homeland Security has effectively lost.

00:46:36.000 Some of them have been sex trafficked.

00:46:38.000 Some of them, hopefully, are at homes with their families.

00:46:41.000 Some of them have been used as drug trafficking mules.

00:46:44.000 The real family separation policy in this country is, unfortunately, Kamala Harris's wide-open southern border. 1.00

00:46:50.000 And I'd ask my fellow Americans to remember, when she came into office, she said she was going to do this.

00:46:56.000 Real leadership would be saying, you know what?

00:46:58.000 I screwed up.

00:46:58.000 We're gonna go back to Donald Trump's border policies.

00:47:00.000 I wish that she would do that.

00:47:02.000 It would be good for all of us.

00:47:04.000 Governor, do you care to respond to any of the specific allegations, including that the

00:47:09.000 vice president is, quote, letting in fentanyl and using kids as drug mules?

00:47:19.000 Did he just say the drug mule is not true?

00:47:19.000 Finish.

00:47:21.000 Holy shit, talk to a border patrol agent. 1.00

00:47:22.000 Drug deals not true. 1.00

00:47:22.000 What are the results? 1.00

00:47:23.000 The good news on this is the last 12 months saw the largest decrease in opioid deaths

00:47:27.000 in our nation's history.

00:47:29.000 30% decrease in Ohio.

00:47:30.000 But there's still more work to do.

00:47:32.000 But let's go back to this on immigration.

00:47:34.000 Kamala Harris was the attorney general of the largest state in a border state in California. 0.99

00:47:38.000 She's the only person in this race who prosecuted transnational gangs for human trafficking

00:47:42.000 and drug interventions.

00:47:44.000 But look, we all want to solve this.

00:47:46.000 What are the results?

00:47:47.000 Most of us want to solve this.

00:47:48.000 She was a lawyer. 0.83

00:47:49.000 I mean, she failed all of them.

00:47:50.000 No, you didn't.

00:47:51.000 That's the Border Patrol agents.

00:47:51.000 No, you didn't.

00:47:53.000 That's the Chamber of Commerce.

00:47:54.000 That's most Americans out here.

00:47:55.000 That's why we had the fairest and the toughest bill on immigration that this nation's seen.

00:48:01.000 It was crafted by a conservative senator from Oklahoma.

00:48:05.000 for a while.

00:48:06.000 I know him, he's super conservative, but he's a man of principle, wants to get it done.

00:48:10.000 Democrats and Republicans worked on this piece of legislation.

00:48:12.000 The Border Patrol said, this is what we need in here.

00:48:15.000 These are the experts.

00:48:16.000 And the Chamber of Commerce and the Wall Street Journal said, pass this thing.

00:48:19.000 Kamala Harris helped get there.

00:48:20.000 1,500 new border agents.

00:48:23.000 Detection for drugs.

00:48:24.000 That's more than 5 million conspirators.

00:48:26.000 5,000 people a day.

00:48:28.000 Normalized.

00:48:29.000 5,000 people a day.

00:48:31.000 11 million just to the southern border.

00:48:33.000 Last time I checked, it's 12.

00:48:35.000 Just under the Harris-Biden administration.

00:48:37.000 If you actually include all illegal immigration, it's close to 20 million.

00:48:40.000 What would Donald Trump talk about if we actually did some of these things?

00:48:43.000 And they need to be done.

00:48:44.000 Just undo your undoing through executive order.

00:48:46.000 Just do this through the executive branch.

00:48:48.000 So look, we have the options to do this.

00:48:50.000 Donald Trump had four years.

00:48:52.000 He had four years to do this.

00:48:53.000 And he promised to America how easy it would be.

00:48:56.000 Trump had 3 million total.

00:48:58.000 18 million Kamala Harris.

00:48:59.000 There you go.

00:49:00.000 Less than 2% of that wall got built and Mexico didn't pay a dime.

00:49:04.000 But here we are again.

00:49:05.000 But you said a wall was racist.

00:49:08.000 Dehumanizing people and telling them what he was going to do.

00:49:12.000 As far as the deportation plan, at one point, Senator Vance said he was someone who would be laughable.

00:49:16.000 That's a real show sign.

00:49:16.000 2016. He doesn't realize that the American people believe that we need to close our borders.

00:49:23.000 That's an overwhelmingly popular opinion.

00:49:26.000 He doesn't get to respond?

00:49:30.000 Do you want to hit him back with a parent thing?

00:49:32.000 We already have massive child separations. Thanks to Kamala Harris's open border. I didn't accuse Kamala Harris of 1.00

00:49:38.000 inviting drug mules I said that she enabled the Mexican drug cartels to operate 0.99

00:49:42.000 freely in this country and we know that they use Yeah! Holy crap! 1.00

00:49:47.000 He doesn't know he's in split screen. 0.99

00:49:48.000 He's like, that's true.

00:49:49.000 Did he just nod in agreement?

00:49:51.000 He did!

00:49:51.000 Guys, clip that, we have it ready to pull.

00:49:53.000 Get him out of it too!

00:49:53.000 Close it.

00:49:55.000 Guys clip that we have it ready to pull.

00:49:57.000 She was going to undo Donald Trump's border policy. She did exactly that.

00:49:59.000 We had a record number of illegal crossings.

00:50:01.000 We had a record number of fentanyl coming into our country.

00:50:03.000 And now, now that she's running for president, or a few months before, she says that somehow she got religion and

00:50:09.000 care a lot about a piece of legislation.

00:50:10.000 Guys the media is going to get really aggressive and dirty because Vance is doing unbelievably well.

00:50:14.000 And you've seen me say when Donald Trump didn't beat Biden that second debate.

00:50:17.000 You've seen me say when the Kamala Harris debate didn't go so well.

00:50:20.000 This is a walk-off.

00:50:21.000 Thus far.

00:50:21.000 He's too fluid.

00:50:22.000 He's too good on his feet.

00:50:23.000 that opened the border. This problem is leading to massive problems in the United States of America.

00:50:29.000 Parents who can't afford health care, schools that are overwhelmed, it's got to stop and it will not.

00:50:33.000 He's too fluid. He's too good on his feet.

00:50:35.000 Senator, your time is up. Governor, what about our CBS News?

00:50:39.000 What did I tell you?

00:50:39.000 We'll see.

00:50:40.000 show that a majority of Americans more than 50% support mass deportations.

00:50:40.000 He's pissed.

00:50:40.000 What?

00:50:47.000 We fixed this issue with a bill that is necessary but the issue on this is this is what happens

00:50:52.000 when you don't want to solve it.

00:50:53.000 You demonize it.

00:50:54.000 And we saw this and Senator Vance and it surprises me on this. 0.96

00:50:58.000 Oh, I'm such a liar.

00:50:59.000 And then accuse Vance of bringing up stories.

00:50:59.000 Oh, he wants to go to Haiti.

00:51:01.000 No, no, the Ohio governor said that every single bomb threat, I believe it was 33, all 33 were hoaxes from foreign entities.

00:51:05.000 Every single one.

00:51:05.000 And then accuse Vance of bringing up stories.

00:51:07.000 The Republican governor said it's not true, don't do it.

00:51:11.000 There's consequences for this, there's consequences.

00:51:13.000 We could go to jail for this.

00:51:14.000 No, no, the Ohio governor said that every single bomb threat, I believe it was 33, all

00:51:17.000 33 were hoaxes from foreign entities.

00:51:21.000 Every single one.

00:51:22.000 Let's bring up the fact check on that. 0.74

00:51:25.000 3 million to 18 million, dummy.

00:51:26.000 3 million crossing to 18 million, dummy.

00:51:27.000 to school. I believe Senator Vance wants to solve this, but by standing with

00:51:32.000 Donald Trump and not working together to find a solution, it becomes a talking

00:51:36.000 point. Three million to 18 million, dummy. Three million crossing to 18 million, dummy.

00:51:41.000 Answer. Other human beings. Tim. Governor, your time is up.

00:51:45.000 Senator, I'll give you one minute, but let me just ask you the question first.

00:51:49.000 No.

00:51:50.000 The governor has made the point, and I think as a sitting lawmaker, you know that Congress controls the purse strings and any funding.

00:51:59.000 So you have said repeatedly that Donald Trump would— She's reiterating a Tim Walz point.

00:52:02.000 Finish your drink, I need a refill.

00:52:04.000 Me too.

00:52:05.000 Refills!

00:52:06.000 Do you disagree?

00:52:08.000 That Congress controls the purse strings and would need to support many of the changes that you would actually want.

00:52:14.000 You have one minute.

00:52:14.000 93 executive actions.

00:52:15.000 Look, Margaret, first of all, the gross majority of what we need to do at the southern border is just empowering law enforcement to do their job.

00:52:21.000 I've been to the southern border more than our borders are.

00:52:23.000 Kamala Harris has been.

00:52:24.000 And it's actually heartbreaking because the border patrol agents, they just want to be empowered to do their job.

00:52:29.000 Of course, additional resources would help, but most of this is about the president and the vice president empowering our law enforcement to say, if you try to come across the border illegally, you've got to stay in Mexico.

00:52:40.000 You've got to go back through proper channels.

00:52:42.000 Now, Governor Walz brought up the community of Springfield.

00:52:45.000 And he's very worried about the things that I've said in Springfield.

00:52:49.000 Look, in Springfield, Ohio, and in communities all across this country, you've got schools that are overwhelmed.

00:52:55.000 You've got hospitals that are overwhelmed.

00:52:57.000 You've got housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes. 1.00

00:53:05.000 The people that I'm most worried about in Springfield, Ohio, are the American citizens who have had their lives destroyed by Kamala Harris's open border.

00:53:13.000 It is a disgrace to him.

00:53:14.000 You're witnessing the future presidential candidate win, win, lose, or draw this election.

00:53:18.000 DeSantis is going to have his hands full if he has to primary this guy.

00:53:22.000 It is law enforcement that asked for the bill.

00:53:26.000 They helped craft it.

00:53:28.000 No, they asked for a bill.

00:53:30.000 Then you tacked on $70 billion for Ukraine, or $60 billion, you can let me know.

00:53:34.000 I don't remember the final number.

00:53:36.000 60 billion in Ukraine, 14.1 for Israel, and like 7 billion for some other conflicts around

00:53:42.000 the world.

00:53:43.000 We can talk a little bit about Wall Street speculators buying up housing and making them

00:53:44.000 less affordable, but it becomes a blame.

00:53:47.000 Look, this bill also gives the money necessary to adjudicate.

00:53:52.000 I agree.

00:53:53.000 It should not take seven years for an asylum claim to be done.

00:53:56.000 This bill gets it done in 90 days.

00:53:58.000 Then you start to make a difference in this, and you start to adhere to what we know, American principles.

00:54:03.000 No wall.

00:54:03.000 I don't talk about my faith a lot, but Matthew 25-40 talks about, to the least amongst us you do unto me.

00:54:09.000 I think that's true of most Americans.

00:54:12.000 They simply want order to it.

00:54:14.000 This bill does it.

00:54:15.000 It's funded.

00:54:16.000 It's supported by the people who do it, and it lets us keep our dignity about how we treat other people.

00:54:22.000 It was a horrific bill.

00:54:23.000 We broke it down.

00:54:23.000 Go check the video out.

00:54:24.000 Hold on.

00:54:24.000 That same cut there.

00:54:24.000 Hold on.

00:54:25.000 No, no, no.

00:54:25.000 Oh, no, no, no, no.

00:54:25.000 You don't get to get the last word in, pig bitch!

00:54:27.000 does have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status, temporary protected 1.00

00:54:33.000 status.

00:54:34.000 Hold on.

00:54:35.000 Hold on.

00:54:36.000 Thank you.

00:54:37.000 Senator, we have so much to get to.

00:54:38.000 No, no, no.

00:54:39.000 No, no, no, no. 1.00

00:54:40.000 You don't get to get the last word in, pig bitch. 1.00

00:54:41.000 Margaret, the rules were that you guys weren't going to fact check. 0.98

00:54:42.000 And since you're fact checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going

00:54:47.000 So there's an application called the CBP1 app, where you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or apply for parole, and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wall.

00:55:01.000 That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card, and waiting for 10 years.

00:55:05.000 That is the facilitation of illegal immigration, Margaret, by our own leadership.

00:55:09.000 Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process.

00:55:12.000 Thank you for describing our legal process.

00:55:16.000 CBS is just as bad as ABC tonight.

00:55:17.000 That's the one thing I was wrong about.

00:55:19.000 They'd be in their best behavior.

00:55:20.000 They can't help themselves.

00:55:20.000 Drink.

00:55:21.000 What a bitch. 1.00

00:55:22.000 Yeah, finish your drink. 1.00

00:55:24.000 Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because your mics are cut.

00:55:28.000 We have so much we want to get to.

00:55:30.000 Wish we could do the same for your lapel mic.

00:55:31.000 We have to throw our little jabs in and then move on.

00:55:34.000 The economy is a top concern for voters.

00:55:37.000 She wants to oust Miss Pink, so she's acting professional. 0.99

00:55:38.000 Each of your campaigns has released an economic plan, so let's talk about the specifics.

00:55:42.000 Governor Walz, Vice President Harris unveiled a plan that includes billions in tax credits for manufacturing, housing, and a renewed child tax credit.

00:55:50.000 The Wharton School says your proposals will increase the nation's deficit by 1.2 trillion dollars.

00:55:57.000 By the way, that's the school Kamala Harris referenced as though they supported her.

00:56:01.000 Governor, I'll give you two minutes.

00:56:03.000 Kamala Harris and I do believe in the middle class because that's where we come from.

00:56:06.000 We both grew up in that.

00:56:08.000 We understand.

00:56:08.000 So those of you out there listening You're hearing a lot of stuff back and forth, and it's good.

00:56:12.000 It's healthy.

00:56:13.000 That's what this is supposed to happen.

00:56:14.000 You should be listening.

00:56:15.000 How is this going to impact me?

00:56:17.000 The bold forward plan that Kamala Harris put out there is one is talking about this housing

00:56:22.000 issue.

00:56:23.000 The one thing is there's three million new houses proposed under this plan with down

00:56:27.000 payment assistance.

00:56:28.000 Section 8!

00:56:29.000 A house is much more than just an asset to be traded somewhere.

00:56:33.000 It's foundational to where you're at.

00:56:35.000 And then making sure that the things you buy every day, whether they be prescription drugs

00:56:39.000 or other things, that there's fairness in that.

00:56:41.000 Look, the $35 insulin is a good thing, but it costs $5 to make insulin.

00:56:46.000 They were charging $800 before this law went into effect.

00:56:49.000 As far as the housing goes, I said in Minnesota, 12% more housing than Minneapolis.

00:56:54.000 They claimed credit for it.

00:56:55.000 They expanded it.

00:56:56.000 It's working.

00:56:57.000 And then making sure tax cuts go to the middle class.

00:56:59.000 $6,000 child tax credit, we have one in Minnesota, reduces childhood poverty by a third.

00:57:05.000 We save money in the long run and we do the right thing for families.

00:57:08.000 And then getting businesses off the ground.

00:57:10.000 The law as it stands right now is $5,000 tax credit for small business, increasing that to $50,000.

00:57:16.000 800 businesses closed down to have a return because of his policy during COVID.

00:57:20.000 10,500.

00:57:20.000 I'm sorry.

00:57:21.000 Fact check me.

00:57:22.000 Good for you.

00:57:23.000 Good for you.

00:57:24.000 He gave the tax cuts that predominantly went to the top cast.

00:57:27.000 What happened there was an $8 trillion increase in the national debt, the largest ever.

00:57:32.000 Now he's proposing a 20% consumption or sales tax on everything we bring in.

00:57:38.000 You didn't say ask.

00:57:39.000 including businesses, it would be destabilizing it, it would increase

00:57:42.000 inflation and potentially lead to a recession. Look, this is simple for you.

00:57:46.000 Where are we going? Kamala Harris has said to do the things she wants to do, 1.00

00:57:50.000 we'll just ask the wealthiest to pay their fair share. Define it! You didn't say ask.

00:57:54.000 Our system works best, more people are participating in it, and folks have the

00:57:58.000 things that they need. Senator, I want to give you a moment to respond on that

00:58:02.000 But similarly, the Wharton score has done an analysis of the Trump plan and says it would increase the nation's deficit by $5.8 trillion.

00:58:11.000 My question is the same for you.

00:58:13.000 How do you pay for all that without ballooning the deficit?

00:58:16.000 I'll give you two minutes.

00:58:17.000 Well, first of all, you're going to hear a lot from Tim Walz this evening, and you just heard it in the answer.

00:58:22.000 A lot of what Kamala Harris proposes to do, and some of it, I'll be honest with you, it even sounds pretty good.

00:58:28.000 Here's what you won't hear, is that Kamala Harris has already done it. 1.00

00:58:32.000 Because she's been the Vice President for three and a half years, she had the opportunity to enact all of these great policies, and what she's actually done instead is drive the cost of food higher by 25%.

00:58:44.000 Drive the cost of housing higher by about 60%.

00:58:47.000 Open the American southern border and make middle class life unaffordable for a large number of Americans.

00:58:53.000 If Kamala Harris has such great plans for how to address middle class problems, then she ought to do them now. 1.00

00:59:00.000 Not when asking for a promotion, but in the job the American people gave her three and a half years ago, and the fact that she isn't.

00:59:06.000 second economic plan doesn't make sense.

00:59:36.000 I say look at the record.

00:59:38.000 He delivered rising take-home pay for American workers.

00:59:41.000 Now, Tim admirably admits that they want to undo the Trump tax cuts, but if you look at

00:59:46.000 what was so different about Donald Trump's tax cuts, even from previous Republican tax

00:59:51.000 Is that a lot of those resources went to giving more take home pay to middle class and working class Americans.

00:59:57.000 It was passed in 2017 and you saw an American economic boom unlike we've seen in a generation in this country.

01:00:04.000 That is a record that I'm proud to run on and we're going to get back to that common sense wisdom so that you can afford to live the American dream again.

01:00:12.000 I know a lot of you are struggling.

01:00:14.000 I know a lot of you are worried about paying the bills.

01:00:16.000 It's going to stop when Donald Trump brings back common sense to this country.

01:00:20.000 Governor, do you want to respond to that?

01:00:22.000 What has Kamala Harris done for the middle class? 1.00

01:00:23.000 Yeah, well how many of us just day one was Donald Trump's failure on COVID that led to

01:00:23.000 What?

01:00:28.000 the collapse of our economy?

01:00:29.000 We were already before COVID in a manufacturing recession, but 10 million people out of work,

01:00:33.000 largest percentage since the Great Depression.

01:00:35.000 9 million jobs closed on that.

01:00:38.000 That was day one.

01:00:39.000 Whether it was the Infrastructure Act or other things, we moved 90% of the way to about X

01:00:43.000 percent.

01:00:44.000 How many of us just day one were Donald Trump's failure on COVID?

01:00:45.000 We were already before COVID in a manufacturing recession, but 10 million people out of work,

01:00:46.000 10,500 businesses closed, never to open up.

01:00:48.000 The kind of economic disaster that took place in your state was worse than the rest of the country. 0.97

01:00:52.000 Because if Donald Trump had done what your party wanted, the entire country would have looked like your state, prick.

01:00:58.000 If you need heart surgery, listen to the people at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, not Donald Trump. 0.89

01:01:04.000 And the same thing goes with this.

01:01:05.000 And I ask you out there, teachers, nurses, truck drivers, whatever, How is it fair that you're paying your taxes every year, and Donald Trump hasn't paid any of those taxes in the last 15 years, and the last year as president?

01:01:18.000 That's what's wrong with the system.

01:01:19.000 There's a way around it, and he's bragged about that.

01:01:22.000 We're just asking for fairness in it, and that's all you want.

01:01:26.000 You have a minute.

01:01:27.000 Governor, you say trust the experts, but those same experts for 40 years said that if we

01:01:31.000 shipped our manufacturing base off to China, we'd get cheaper goods.

01:01:35.000 They lied about that.

01:01:36.000 They said if we shipped our industrial base off to other countries, to Mexico and elsewhere,

01:01:41.000 it would make the middle class stronger.

01:01:42.000 They were wrong about that.

01:01:44.000 They were wrong about the idea that if we made America less self-reliant, less productive

01:01:50.000 in our own nation, that it would somehow make us better off, and they were wrong about it.

01:01:54.000 And for the first time in a generation, Donald Trump had the wisdom and the courage to say

01:01:59.000 to that bipartisan consensus, we're not doing it anymore.

01:02:03.000 We're bringing American manufacturing back.

01:02:05.000 We're unleashing American energy.

01:02:07.000 We're going to make more of our own stuff.

01:02:08.000 Guess who may have just shored up Pennsylvania.

01:02:09.000 This isn't just an economic issue.

01:02:10.000 I mean, I've got three beautiful little kids at home, seven, four, and two, and I love

01:02:13.000 them very much, and I hope they're in bed right now.

01:02:16.000 But look, so many of the drugs, the pharmaceuticals that we put in the bodies of our children are manufactured by nations that hate us. 0.96

01:02:22.000 This has to stop.

01:02:24.000 And we're not going to stop it by listening to experts.

01:02:27.000 We're going to stop it by listening to common sense wisdom, which is what Donald Trump governed on.

01:02:31.000 Senator, you're tying it up.

01:02:32.000 Governor Walz, can you address that?

01:02:33.000 I mean, voters say they trust Donald Trump on the economy.

01:02:35.000 Walz looks really twitchy and very pink.

01:02:37.000 If you're listening tonight and you want billionaires to get tax cuts, you heard what the numbers were.

01:02:43.000 Look. 0.99

01:02:44.000 His face looks like a newborn baby's butt after they spank it for the first breath. 0.99

01:02:48.000 But I understand that, look, we produce soybeans and corn. 0.98

01:02:51.000 We need to have fair trading partners.

01:02:52.000 That's something that we believe in.

01:02:53.000 How do you feel about tariffs?

01:02:54.000 I think the thing that most concerns me on this is, is Donald Trump was the guy who created the largest trade deficit in American history with China.

01:03:03.000 So the rhetoric is good.

01:03:05.000 Much of what the senator said right there, I'm in agreement with him on this.

01:03:08.000 I watched it happen too.

01:03:09.000 I watched it in my communities and we talked about that.

01:03:11.000 But we had People undercutting the right to collectively bargain.

01:03:16.000 We had right-to-work states made it more difficult.

01:03:18.000 Oh, he's trying to get the unions right now.

01:03:20.000 Look at his face!

01:03:21.000 Clip that! 1.00

01:03:21.000 Clip this! 1.00

01:03:22.000 Clip this face, guys!

01:03:23.000 We're going to go back to it.

01:03:25.000 The face!

01:03:25.000 It's crazy.

01:03:25.000 It looks like a four-year-old.

01:03:27.000 Don't lie.

01:03:27.000 I believe Donald Trump had 450,000 more?

01:03:28.000 Yes.

01:03:28.000 I believe it was 450,000.

01:03:29.000 It looks like a four-year-old caught in a lie.

01:03:31.000 The issue is Donald Trump is talking about it.

01:03:32.000 Kamala Harris has a record 250,000 more manufacturing jobs just out of the IRA. 0.94

01:03:36.000 You believe Donald Trump had 450,000 more?

01:03:38.000 Yes.

01:03:39.000 I believe it was 450,000.

01:03:40.000 Mission Control, let me know.

01:03:41.000 If you notice, what Governor Walz just did is he said, first of all, Donald Trump has

01:03:44.000 to listen to the experts.

01:03:46.000 And then when he acknowledged that the experts screwed up, he said, well, Donald Trump didn't

01:03:49.000 do nearly as good of a job as the statistics show that he did.

01:03:53.000 So what Tim Walz is doing, and I honestly, Tim, I think you got it.

01:03:55.000 You've got a tough job here.

01:03:57.000 Because you've got to play whack-a-mole.

01:03:58.000 You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take-home pay, which of course he did.

01:04:03.000 You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which of course he did.

01:04:08.000 And then you simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which has made gas, groceries, 0.99

01:04:14.000 and housing unaffordable for American citizens.

01:04:17.000 I was raised by a woman who sometimes goes into medical debt

01:04:21.000 so that she can throw food on the table in our household. 1.00

01:04:24.000 I know what it's like to not be able to afford the things that you need to afford.

01:04:28.000 We can do so much better.

01:04:30.000 To all of you watching, we can get back to the narrative that's a foreign game.

01:04:32.000 Beast mode, drink, for those who are new, drinking game rules.

01:04:34.000 Drink anytime Walz doesn't answer a question directly.

01:04:36.000 Someone mentions product 2025, Walz mentions coach or teacher,

01:04:38.000 JD Vance goes beast mode, or anytime the gang on Vance.

01:04:40.000 Senator, Governor, thank you. Margaret?

01:04:42.000 We have a lot to get to ahead, gentlemen, on many topics.

01:04:46.000 But right now I want to talk about personal qualifications.

01:04:49.000 The vice president is often the last voice the president hears before making consequential decisions.

01:04:56.000 Or in the case of Biden, the last voice he hears before pillows over his face.

01:05:00.000 Governor Walz.

01:05:02.000 You said you were in Hong Kong during the deadly Tiananmen Square protests in the spring of 1989.

01:05:06.000 Okay, hold on a second.

01:05:07.000 To be fair, he was in Nebraska, but he was in Tiananmen Square, Nebraska.

01:05:11.000 You actually didn't travel to Asia until August of that year.

01:05:16.000 They just said it.

01:05:17.000 Can you explain that discrepancy?

01:05:19.000 Yeah, well, and to the folks out there who didn't get at the top of this, look, I grew up in small, rural Nebraska, town of 400.

01:05:26.000 My grammar's bad.

01:05:27.000 I thought I was in China.

01:05:29.000 And I'm proud of that service.

01:05:31.000 I joined the National Guard at 17, worked on family farms, and then I used the GI Bill.

01:05:37.000 To become a teacher.

01:05:38.000 Passion about it.

01:05:38.000 A young teacher.

01:05:40.000 My first year out, I got the opportunity in the summer of 89 to travel to China.

01:05:44.000 35 years ago to be able to do that.

01:05:47.000 I came back home and then started a program to take young people there.

01:05:52.000 We would take basketball teams, we would take baseball teams, we would take dancers, and we would go back and forth to China.

01:05:58.000 The issue for that was to try and learn.

01:06:00.000 Now look, my community knows who I am.

01:06:02.000 They saw where I was at.

01:06:05.000 I will be the first to tell you, I have poured my heart into my community.

01:06:08.000 I've tried to do the best I can, but I've not been perfect.

01:06:12.000 And I'm a knucklehead at times, but it's always been about that.

01:06:15.000 Those same people elected me to Congress for 12 years.

01:06:18.000 And in Congress, I was one of the most bipartisan people, working on things like farm bills

01:06:23.000 that we got done, working on veterans benefits.

01:06:26.000 And then the people of Minnesota were able to elect me to governor twice.

01:06:30.000 So look, my commitment has been from the beginning.

01:06:35.000 To make sure that I get this right.

01:06:37.000 More than anything.

01:06:38.000 Many times I will talk a lot, I will get caught up in the rhetoric, but being there, the impact it made, the difference it made in my life, I learned a lot about China.

01:06:48.000 I hear the critiques of this.

01:06:50.000 I would make the case that Donald Trump should have come on one of those trips with us. 1.00

01:06:53.000 I guarantee you he wouldn't be He does business internationally, you moron. 1.00

01:06:59.000 You printed Miles' little red book and gave it out as a gift, dummy! 1.00

01:07:02.000 And you weren't in Tiananmen Square!

01:07:04.000 It's a big deal!

01:07:04.000 It's about trying to do the best you can for your community, and then it's putting yourself out there and letting your folks understand what it is.

01:07:11.000 My commitment, whether it be through teaching, which I was good at, or whether it was being a good soldier, drinking game rules, bring it up so I don't have to look at his pink fetus face. 0.99

01:07:21.000 He did not answer.

01:07:22.000 Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was, can you explain the discrepancy?

01:07:27.000 All I said on this was, is I got there that summer and misspoke on this, so I just... Again?

01:07:33.000 That's what I've said.

01:07:33.000 I went to New York City in November of 2001.

01:07:35.000 I never made the mistake of saying I was there for 9-11.

01:07:37.000 Hong Kong and China during the democracy protest went in.

01:07:41.000 I went to New York City in November of 2001.

01:07:45.000 I never made the mistake of saying I was there for 9-11.

01:07:48.000 Senator Vance, in 2016 you called your running mate Donald Trump unfit for the nation's highest office

01:07:55.000 and you said he could be America's Hitler.

01:07:58.000 I know you've said, you've been asked many times, and you've said you regret those comments

01:08:02.000 and explained you then voted for Donald Trump in 2020.

01:08:06.000 But the Washington Post reported new messages last week in which you also disparaged Trump's economic record while he was president, writing to someone in 2020, quote, Trump thoroughly failed to deliver his economic populism.

01:08:21.000 You're now his running mate, and you've shifted many of your policy stances to align with his.

01:08:26.000 If you become vice president, why should Americans trust that you will give Donald Trump the advice he needs to hear, and not just the advice he wants to hear?

01:08:37.000 You have two minutes.

01:08:40.000 And sometimes, of course, I've disagreed with the President, but I've also been extremely open about the fact that I was wrong about Donald Trump.

01:08:46.000 I was wrong, first of all, because I believed some of the media stories that turned out to be dishonest fabrications of his record.

01:08:53.000 But most importantly, Donald Trump delivered for the American people.

01:08:56.000 Rising wages, rising take-home pay, an economy that worked for normal Americans, a secure southern border, a lot of things, frankly, that I didn't think he'd be able to deliver on.

01:09:06.000 And yeah, when you screw up, when you misspeak, when you get something I thought he was there.

01:09:09.000 and you change your mind, you ought to be honest with the American people about it.

01:09:12.000 It's one of the reasons, Margaret, why I've done so many interviews, is because I think

01:09:15.000 it's important to actually explain to the American people where I come down on the issues

01:09:19.000 and what changed.

01:09:20.000 Now, you pointed out the messages from 2020.

01:09:22.000 Margaret, I've been extremely consistent that I think there were a lot of things that we

01:09:26.000 could have done better in the Trump administration the first round if Congress was doing its

01:09:26.000 better in the Trump administration the first round if Congress was doing its job.

01:09:31.000 I strongly believe, and I've been a United States senator, that Congress is not just

01:09:31.000 job.

01:09:32.000 I strongly believe, and I've been a United States senator, that Congress is not just

01:09:35.000 a high-class debating society.

01:09:36.000 It's not just a forum for senators and congressmen to whine about problems.

01:09:40.000 It's a forum to govern.

01:09:42.000 So there were a lot of things on the border, on tariffs, for example, where I think that

01:09:46.000 we could have done so much more if the Republican Congress and the Democrats in Congress had

01:09:50.000 been a little bit better about how they govern the country.

01:09:53.000 They were so obsessed with impeaching Donald Trump, they couldn't actually govern.

01:09:57.000 I want to talk about this tariff issue in particular, Margaret, because Tim just accused

01:10:02.000 this of being a national sales tax.

01:10:04.000 Look, the one thing—and you're probably surprised to hear me praising Joe Biden, but

01:10:09.000 the one thing that Joe Biden did is he continued some of the Trump tariffs that protected American

01:10:15.000 manufacturing jobs.

01:10:16.000 And it's the one issue Trump created 414,000 manufacturing jobs.

01:10:20.000 It's the one issue where Kamala Harris has run away from Joe Biden's record.

01:10:24.000 Think about this.

01:10:25.000 If you're trying to employ slave laborers in China at $3 a day, you're going to do that and undercut the wages of American workers unless our country stands up for itself and says you're not accessing our markets unless you're paying middle-class Americans a fair wage.

01:10:41.000 Every time another piece of evidence comes in.

01:10:42.000 Right, that guy?

01:10:43.000 Nora, thank you.

01:10:45.000 Wall's head is moving like I do with a sock puppet when I do a show for my kids.

01:10:48.000 414,000 jobs for Trump for manufacturing, only 173,000 by Harris.

01:10:49.000 kids. 414,000 jobs for Trump for manufacturing only 173,000 by Harris. 592 were returning from COVID. There you go.

01:11:01.000 You believe abortion, quote, in the ninth month is absolutely fine. 0.94

01:11:06.000 Yes or no?

01:11:07.000 Is that what you support?

01:11:08.000 I'll give you two minutes.

01:11:09.000 That's not what the bill says.

01:11:10.000 They gave him out by asking support.

01:11:12.000 This issue is what's on everyone's mind.

01:11:14.000 He needs to pin it down on the mat and not let him out.

01:11:16.000 Donald Trump put this all into motion.

01:11:17.000 Where is it?

01:11:18.000 He brags about how great it was that he put the judges in and overturned Roe versus Wade.

01:11:23.000 52 years of personal economy.

01:11:24.000 The question was nine months.

01:11:25.000 That's your state.

01:11:25.000 And then he tells us, oh, we send it to the states.

01:11:28.000 It's a beautiful thing.

01:11:30.000 Amanda Zaworski would disagree with you on It's a Beautiful Thing.

01:11:33.000 A young bride in Texas waiting for their child at 18 weeks. 0.74

01:11:37.000 She has a complication, a tear in the membrane.

01:11:40.000 She needs to go in.

01:11:41.000 The medical care at that point needs to be decided by the doctor.

01:11:45.000 And that would have been an abortion. 1.00

01:11:46.000 But in Texas, that would have put them in legal jeopardy.

01:11:49.000 She went home, got sepsis, nearly dies, and now she may have difficulty having children.

01:11:55.000 Or in Kentucky, Hadley Duvall, a 12-year-old child raped and impregnated by her stepfather.

01:12:02.000 Less than 1% of all abortions are medically necessary or due to rape or incest.

01:12:06.000 Less than 0.5% new study, just a new poll confirmed again.

01:12:10.000 The question is about the rest of them.

01:12:12.000 All of them.

01:12:14.000 We made sure that we put women in charge of their health care. 1.00

01:12:18.000 But look, This is not where- if you don't know Amanda or a Hadley, you soon will.

01:12:24.000 They're Project 2025.

01:12:25.000 It's going to make it more difficult, if not impossible, to get contraception and limit access, if not eliminate, access to infertility. 0.99

01:12:36.000 Here's how I know that's horse shit. 0.98

01:12:38.000 Hobby Lobby provided 16 out of 21 forms of birth control because they're a more Christian company and you still claimed it a travesty of human rights. 0.99

01:12:45.000 He also said IVF without saying it.

01:12:45.000 He's gonna say slavery.

01:12:46.000 Yes, he is.

01:12:47.000 That's exactly how it works.

01:12:48.000 this is, is well, the states will decide what's right for Texas might not be right for Washington.

01:12:53.000 He's going to say slavery.

01:12:54.000 That's not how this works.

01:12:55.000 This is basic human rights.

01:12:56.000 That's exactly how it works.

01:12:57.000 We have seen maternal mortality skyrocket in Texas, outpacing many other countries in

01:13:04.000 the world.

01:13:05.000 This is about health care.

01:13:06.000 In Minnesota, we are ranked first in health care for a reason.

01:13:09.000 We trust women. 0.79

01:13:10.000 We trust doctors.

01:13:11.000 Senator, do you want to respond to the governor's claim?

01:13:13.000 Will you create a federal pregnancy monitoring agency?

01:13:16.000 No, Nora, certainly we won't.

01:13:18.000 And I want to talk about this issue.

01:13:19.000 He gives an answer and then substantiates it.

01:13:22.000 A lot of Americans don't agree with everything that I've ever said on this topic.

01:13:26.000 And, you know, I grew up in a working class family in a neighborhood where I knew a lot of young women who had unplanned pregnancies and decided to terminate those pregnancies because they feel like they didn't have any other options.

01:13:37.000 And, you know, one of them is actually very dear to me.

01:13:40.000 And I know she's watching tonight, and I love you.

01:13:44.000 And she told me something a couple years ago that she felt like if she hadn't had that

01:13:47.000 abortion that it would have destroyed her life because she was in an abusive relationship. 0.89

01:13:52.000 And I think that what I take from that, as a Republican who proudly wants to protect

01:13:57.000 innocent life in this country, who proudly wants to protect the vulnerable, is that my

01:14:01.000 party, we've got to do so much better of a job at earning the American people's trust

01:14:07.000 back on this issue where they frankly just don't trust us.

01:14:10.000 And I think that's one of the things that Donald Trump and I are endeavoring to do.

01:14:13.000 I want us as a Republican Party...

01:14:16.000 to be pro-family in the fullest sense of the word.

01:14:19.000 I want us to support fertility treatments.

01:14:20.000 I want us to make it easier for moms to afford to have babies. 1.00

01:14:24.000 I want to make it easier for young families to afford a home

01:14:27.000 so they can afford a place to raise that family.

01:14:29.000 And I think there's so much that we can do on the public policy front

01:14:33.000 just to give women more options. 0.97

01:14:36.000 Now, of course, Donald Trump has been very clear that on the abortion policy specifically, that we have a big country and it's diverse.

01:14:44.000 And California has a different viewpoint on this than Georgia.

01:14:47.000 Georgia has a different viewpoint from Arizona and the proper way to handle this, as messy as democracy sometimes is, is to let voters make these decisions.

01:14:57.000 Let the individual states make their abortion policies.

01:15:00.000 She's headed.

01:15:00.000 And I think that's what makes the most sense in a very big, a very diverse, and let's be honest, sometimes a very, very messy and divided country.

01:15:08.000 Governor, would you like to respond and also answer the question about restrictions?

01:15:12.000 Yeah, well, the question got asked and Donald Trump made the accusation that wasn't true about Minnesota.

01:15:17.000 Well, let me tell you about this idea that there's a diverse state.

01:15:21.000 There's a young woman named Amber Thurman.

01:15:23.000 She happened to be in Georgia, a restricted state.

01:15:26.000 Because of that, she had to travel a long distance to North Carolina to try and get her care. 0.76

01:15:32.000 Showed up late.

01:15:33.000 She showed up late for an appointment so they gave her the pill instead of the procedure she was scheduled for.

01:15:36.000 Same pill they give to everybody.

01:15:38.000 The fact of the matter is, how can we as a nation say that your life and your rights, as basic as the right to control your own body, is determined on geography?

01:15:50.000 There's a very real chance, had Amber Thurman lived in Minnesota, she would be alive today.

01:15:56.000 If she was on time for her appointment.

01:15:58.000 Same abortion pill in Minnesota as it is in Georgia.

01:16:01.000 Georgia.

01:16:02.000 You hear me talk about it?

01:16:03.000 You hear us talking exactly the same.

01:16:04.000 Or Carolina.

01:16:05.000 Donald Trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right of this.

01:16:08.000 I agree with a lot of what Senator Vance said about what's happening.

01:16:11.000 His running mate, though, does not.

01:16:13.000 And that's the problem.

01:16:14.000 Governor, your time is up.

01:16:15.000 Senator, let me ask you about that.

01:16:16.000 He mentioned, I think referring to a national ban.

01:16:19.000 In the past, you have supported a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks.

01:16:25.000 In fact, you said if someone can't support legislation like that, quote, you are making the United States the most barbaric, pro-abortion-free language in the entire world.

01:16:32.000 I'm sorry, is a ban on abortion after four months radical?

01:16:32.000 Is that radical now?

01:16:35.000 My question is... Is it just me or is that entirely sensible?

01:16:37.000 That would be in line with Europe.

01:16:38.000 Well, Nora, first of all, I never supported a national ban.

01:16:40.000 It would be in line with most of the rest of the modern world, just to be clear.

01:16:43.000 We're the most radical of all developed nations on this.

01:16:46.000 For example, we have a partial birth abortion ban in place in this country at the federal level.

01:16:51.000 I don't think anybody's trying to get rid of that, or at least I hope not, though I know that Democrats have taken a very radical pro-abortion stance.

01:16:57.000 But Nora, you know one of the things that changed is in the state of Ohio, we had a referendum.

01:17:02.000 in 2023 and the people of Ohio voted overwhelmingly, by the way, against my position.

01:17:09.000 And I think that what I learned from that, Nora, is that we've got to do a better job

01:17:12.000 at winning back people's trust.

01:17:14.000 So many young women would love to have families. 0.99

01:17:17.000 So many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy as something that's going to destroy 1.00

01:17:21.000 their livelihood, destroy their education, destroy their relationships.

01:17:24.000 And we have got to earn people's trust back.

01:17:27.000 And that's why Donald Trump and I are committed to pursuing pro-family policies, making childcare

01:17:32.000 making fertility treatments more accessible because we've got to do a

01:17:36.000 better job at that and that's what real leadership is.

01:17:39.000 Minnesota, one of nine states with no limit on abortion.

01:17:42.000 I'm going to respond on the pro-abortion piece of that. No we're not. We're pro-women.

01:17:45.000 We're pro-freedom to make your own choice.

01:17:47.000 Are you pro-freedom for cars?

01:17:50.000 Are you pro-freedom for school choice?

01:17:52.000 Women not getting the care, physicians feeling like they may be... 1.00

01:17:57.000 He's chopping off all the penis. 1.00

01:17:58.000 unbeknownst to them. 0.99

01:17:59.000 And as far as making sure that we're educating our children and giving them options, Minnesota's

01:18:03.000 a state with one of the lowest teen pregnancy rates.

01:18:06.000 We understand that too.

01:18:07.000 We know that the options need to be available and we make that true.

01:18:10.000 We also make it for a top three state for the best place to Bars low.

01:18:15.000 Should those women have the choice to go to work during COVID, or keep their business open during COVID, or what school to send their kids to during COVID? 1.00

01:18:20.000 or you guys are pro-abortion.

01:18:22.000 That's not the case at all.

01:18:23.000 We are pro freedoms for women to make their choices. 0.97

01:18:26.000 And we're going, and Kamala Harris is making the case, to make options for children more affordable,

01:18:31.000 a $6,000 child tax credit.

01:18:32.000 But we're not going to base that on the fact of making someone like Amber Thurman drive 600 miles 0.98

01:18:39.000 to try and get help.

01:18:40.000 Senator, I agree with you.

01:18:42.000 First of all, Governor, I agree with you.

01:18:43.000 Amber Thurman should still be alive, and there are a lot of people who should still be alive,

01:18:46.000 and I certainly wish that she was.

01:18:48.000 And maybe you're free to disagree with me on this and explain this to me, but as I read the Minnesota law that you signed into law, the statute that you signed into law, it says that a doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives, the doctor is under no obligation to provide life-saving care to a baby who survives a botched late-term abortion.

01:19:09.000 That is, I think, whether you're pro-choice or pro-abortion, that is fundamentally barbaric.

01:19:15.000 And that's why I use that word more, is because some of what we've seen...

01:19:18.000 Do you want to force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions against their will?

01:19:22.000 Because Kamala Harris is supported suing Catholic nuns to violate their freedom of conscience.

01:19:27.000 We can be a big and diverse country where we respect people's freedom of conscience

01:19:31.000 and make the country more pro-baby and pro-family.

01:19:33.000 But please.

01:19:34.000 Yes, Governor, please respond.

01:19:36.000 Look, this is one where there's always something there.

01:19:38.000 This is a very simple proposition.

01:19:40.000 These are women's decisions to make about their health care decisions. 0.99

01:19:43.000 They gave you the floor to correct it!

01:19:43.000 You said it's not true!

01:19:45.000 ...who know best when they need to do this.

01:19:47.000 Trying to distort the way a law is written to try and make a point, that's not it at all.

01:19:51.000 What was I wrong about, Governor?

01:19:52.000 Please tell me, what was I wrong about?

01:19:53.000 That is not the way the law is written.

01:19:54.000 Educate me.

01:19:55.000 I've given this advice on a lot of things, that getting involved, that's been misread and it was fact-checked at the last debate.

01:20:02.000 But the point on this is, is there's a continuation... Oh, that was one of the false fact-checks, by the way, where they said no abortions are being performed late-term in this country.

01:20:09.000 By the way, it's 10 to 15,000 a year, every single year.

01:20:12.000 And yes, the law does read like that law did in Illinois, that Barack Obama voted against amending with the Infant Born Alive Act, or Infants Born Alive Act, I don't want to miss that.

01:20:20.000 I asked a specific question, Governor.

01:20:21.000 You gave me a slogan as a response.

01:20:22.000 It's not the case.

01:20:23.000 It's not true.

01:20:23.000 That's not what the law says.

01:20:24.000 babies who survived abortions as babies who were willingly delivered.

01:20:28.000 It is not law in Minnesota.

01:20:30.000 They are not required to provide that life-saving care for a baby if they survive an abortion.

01:20:33.000 That's a fact.

01:20:34.000 When you're not proposing them in your budget, Kamala Harris is proposing them.

01:20:37.000 She's proposing all those things to make life easier for families.

01:20:39.000 I asked a specific question, Governor.

01:20:41.000 You gave me a slogan as a response.

01:20:43.000 It's not the case.

01:20:44.000 It's not true.

01:20:45.000 That's not what the law says.

01:20:46.000 So, you fact-checked it with President Trump.

01:20:48.000 Gentlemen, there's a lot to discuss.

01:20:50.000 We have to move on.

01:20:52.000 Ben, let him speak, and then just a smile.

01:20:55.000 He just office-gymmed him.

01:20:58.000 Yeah, that was the prosecutor of the Dahmer case.

01:21:02.000 That was pretty epic.

01:21:03.000 We're not going anywhere, guys.

01:21:04.000 Stay with us.

01:21:04.000 Yeah, stay with us.

01:21:06.000 Do we have the half-game report here with the fact-checks?

01:21:08.000 So, I've hit a lot of those fact-checks.

01:21:11.000 So, most European countries have 12-week abortion bans.

01:21:13.000 There's some that have up to, I think, 24.

01:21:15.000 Just the UK, yeah.

01:21:17.000 12 weeks.

01:21:18.000 And J.D.

01:21:19.000 and Vance said he supported a ban after 14 weeks?

01:21:21.000 I believe it was 14.

01:21:21.000 15.

01:21:22.000 It was 15.

01:21:23.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:21:24.000 It was 15.

01:21:24.000 Somewhere around there.

01:21:25.000 Good memory, yes.

01:21:25.000 Exactly.

01:21:26.000 So a couple of fact checks on the trade deficit that Trump created, kind of air quotes, was $418 billion in 2018.

01:21:31.000 He started the trade war in the Q3 of 2018.

01:21:35.000 By the next year, it was reduced by 22.2%.

01:21:38.000 So they try to cherry pick data.

01:21:40.000 Just like the manufacturing jobs, Trump created 414,000.

01:21:42.000 They've only created 173,000 new ones.

01:21:46.000 592 are bounce back that were lost because of COVID when you shut down factories.

01:21:50.000 Those don't count for you coming in and flipping on the light switch.

01:21:53.000 It doesn't count as a new job created.

01:21:55.000 Uh, so there there's that.

01:21:57.000 And then there was a couple of others that I will go to the Minnesota law.

01:22:00.000 Make sure you guys bring it up because that's obviously very clear that, yeah, they are not required to.

01:22:04.000 First off, just to make it clear, Walls did not answer on there are no limitations on abortion up until and including birth nine months.

01:22:11.000 That's absolutely true.

01:22:12.000 Everyone knows that.

01:22:13.000 What J.D.

01:22:13.000 Vance brought up was the fact is they actually wouldn't be required to provide that kind of care to babies who survived abortions, which is also true.

01:22:20.000 Because the reason he's bringing that up is because that's been required by law because, in fact, it was happening in states like Minnesota, in states like Illinois, in states like Virginia, where babies were surviving abortions and doctors were saying, well, I've done my part, and the babies were not given the same kind of health care as a baby who was delivered.

01:22:35.000 Once they're born, we all thought, hey, at least now you have to take care of them.

01:22:39.000 They didn't do that in Illinois.

01:22:40.000 They didn't do that in Minnesota.

01:22:41.000 That's the reason for people proposing putting that expressly in writing.

01:22:45.000 Yes, Gerald.

01:22:46.000 So the bill strips out Minnesota's existing requirement that reasonable measures be taken

01:22:50.000 to preserve the life and health of born alive infants, replacing it with a requirement for

01:22:54.000 care, which the bill's author, Representative Tina Leibling, has described as mere comfort

01:23:01.000 care.

01:23:02.000 So the bill's author says instead of a requirement, this is crazy, to preserve the life and health

01:23:08.000 of a born alive child who survives an abortion, instead we replace it with comfort care.

01:23:16.000 The bill's author... 1.00

01:23:18.000 The only way this has a happy ending that doesn't make me mad is if that bitch turned 1.00

01:23:21.000 into a pillar of salt. 1.00

01:23:21.000 Bye. 1.00

01:23:23.000 They went from life-saving care to hospice?

01:23:25.000 That's what they're arguing?

01:23:27.000 The technicality?

01:23:28.000 By the way, this is what CNN talked about all day today and yesterday about how they were worried that because he's a lawyer and he's well-read and he's well-spoken and he I mean he's a Yale law graduate that they were worried that Walls was gonna have a hard time and right there was a great example of how Let me go to a law and then go ahead and disprove it because you think I'm going to misconstrue a law?

01:23:47.000 I don't think I will.

01:23:48.000 And by the way, he's an actual outsider.

01:23:50.000 When people say, oh, this person's outside of the D.C.

01:23:51.000 Beltway, outside of the swamp, that's what Vance actually is.

01:23:54.000 That's what people said.

01:23:54.000 Oh, he's basically a junior senator from Ohio.

01:23:56.000 Look, are the political consultants, is the consultant class, are you listening?

01:24:00.000 Because this is the first time where we've seen someone actually go back, rewind the tape, I laid out the strategy, he's following it to the letter.

01:24:06.000 I know this because we know that all these people who surround these candidates, they always tell them to play it safe.

01:24:11.000 He's taking ownership of his mistakes, he's talking directly to the people, he's parrying, he's not going on defense, and he's contrasting with the record.

01:24:19.000 Now it's not easy to do because consultants and advisors have to have the raw material to work with.

01:24:24.000 JD Vance is quick on his feet.

01:24:25.000 Do you notice that he always answers exactly what is given to him.

01:24:29.000 It's like Bruce Lee said, be water, my friend.

01:24:31.000 You become the glass, right?

01:24:32.000 Even though Bruce Lee couldn't fight at all.

01:24:34.000 But the point is, he's answering.

01:24:36.000 He's answering and he's using this.

01:24:38.000 He really is jujitsuing it back on Tim Walz.

01:24:40.000 He's able, yeah.

01:24:41.000 No bait taken.

01:24:42.000 No bait taken.

01:24:43.000 He's been very, very congenial about it.

01:24:45.000 But let's bring up the drinking game rules again really quickly for people who are tuning in right now.

01:24:50.000 Anytime Walz does not directly answer a question in your drink, anytime someone mentions Project 2025 drink, anytime Walz mentions coach or teacher drink, anytime JD Vance goes beast mode drink, that's been a lot tonight, finish your drink, anytime the moderator's getting up on Vance, and we've also added anytime Walz uses the word fundamentally.

01:25:04.000 I fundamentally disagree with that decision.

01:25:07.000 I want to say, you said he's been quick to the answer every time.

01:25:09.000 He was like that on every answer except for the first one, which I think that you misunderstood what I said, but he was doing a combo thing.

01:25:15.000 I think he was doing it.

01:25:16.000 Yeah.

01:25:16.000 Like on purpose, like a troll, I guess.

01:25:17.000 Yeah, he was cutting him off because Walls was planning on going, he goes to Yale.

01:25:21.000 He's a smarty guy.

01:25:23.000 I'm next to Mrs. Pink, who will be out of a job. 0.97

01:25:25.000 We want to turn now to America's gun violence epidemic.

01:25:28.000 That's a scoliosis post, by the way.

01:25:29.000 Oh my god.

01:25:30.000 Children and teens in America is by firearms.

01:25:30.000 I have it now.

01:25:34.000 No!

01:25:35.000 They said children and teens.

01:25:35.000 Not true.

01:25:39.000 Ah, that's not what the administration says.

01:25:40.000 It's accidents, by the way.

01:25:45.000 Whoa, a loaded question.

01:25:46.000 By the way, not even close to car accidents, accidents in the home.

01:25:50.000 If you take out 15- to 19-year-old gangbangers, gun violence doesn't even crack the top ten of the list.

01:25:55.000 I hope J.D.

01:25:55.000 Lady Vance answers it.

01:25:56.000 ...attended to 10 years in prison.

01:25:58.000 Do you think holding parents responsible could curb mass shootings?

01:26:03.000 I'll give you two minutes.

01:26:04.000 Yeah, well, Nora, on that particular case, I don't know the full details, but I certainly

01:26:07.000 trust local law enforcement and local authorities to make those decisions.

01:26:10.000 I think in some cases the answer is going to be yes, and in some cases the answer is going to be no.

01:26:14.000 And the details really matter here, of course.

01:26:16.000 For example, if a kid steals a gun, that's going to be different than if a parent hands over a gun knowing that their kid is potentially dangerous.

01:26:23.000 But look, I want to just sort of speak as a father of three beautiful little kids, and our oldest is now in second grade.

01:26:30.000 And like a lot of parents, we send our kids to school with such hope and such joy and such pride at their little faces on the first day of school.

01:26:37.000 And we know, unfortunately, that a lot of kids are going to experience this terrible epidemic of gun violence.

01:26:42.000 And of course, our hearts go out to the families that are affected by this terrible stuff.

01:26:46.000 And we do have to do better.

01:26:47.000 And I think that Governor Walz and I actually probably agree that we need to do better on this.

01:26:51.000 The question is just how do we actually do it?

01:26:54.000 Now here's something that really bothers me and worries me about this epidemic of violence.

01:26:59.000 The gross majority, close to 90% in some of the statistics I've seen, of the gun violence in this country is committed with illegally obtained firearms.

01:27:07.000 And while we're on that topic, we know that thanks to Kamala Harris's open border, we've seen a massive influx in the number of illegal guns run by the Mexican drug cartels.

01:27:17.000 So that number, the amount of illegal guns in our country is higher today than it was three and a half years ago.

01:27:22.000 Brilliant boxer.

01:27:24.000 He moves so the walls are going to have to move his body so he opens up a shot.

01:27:28.000 He just moved it to border.

01:27:30.000 really good to school and in a school that feels unsafe or where there are

01:27:30.000 Really good.

01:27:35.000 visible signs of security but unfortunately think that we have to

01:27:38.000 increase security in our schools we have to make the doors lock better we have to

01:27:43.000 make the door stronger we've got to make the windows stronger

01:27:46.000 And of course, we've got to increase school resource officers because the idea that we can magically wave a wand and take guns out of the hands of bad guys, it just doesn't fit with recent experience.

01:27:56.000 So we've got to make our schools safer.

01:27:58.000 And I think we've got to have some common sense bipartisan solutions for how to do that.

01:28:02.000 Governor, you have two minutes.

01:28:03.000 Well, I think all the parents watching tonight, this is your biggest nightmare.

01:28:07.000 Look, I got a 17-year-old, and he witnessed a shooting at a community center playing volleyball.

01:28:13.000 Those things don't leave you.

01:28:15.000 As a member of Congress, I sat in my office surrounded by dozens of the Sandy Hook parents, and they were looking at my 7-year-old picture on the wall.

01:28:24.000 Their 7-year-olds were dead.

01:28:26.000 And they were asking us to do something.

01:28:27.000 And look, I'm a hunter.

01:28:29.000 I own firearms.

01:28:30.000 The Vice President is.

01:28:32.000 We understand that the Second Amendment Is there but our first responsibilities to our kids to figure this out in Minnesota. 0.99

01:28:38.000 We've enacted enhanced red flag laws Enhanced background checks and we can start to get data, but here's the problem if we really want to solve this We've got folks that won't allow research to be even done on gun violence Bullshit! 0.96

01:28:53.000 Guys, bring that up. 0.67

01:28:54.000 We fact-checked that.

01:28:55.000 It was the CDC.

01:28:56.000 It was the fact that they wanted to selectively research gun violence.

01:28:59.000 These are the same people, by the way, who stopped recording the victim in the case of a perpetrated crime against them.

01:29:05.000 The race of the victim, but only the race of the actual assailant.

01:29:08.000 But that's not far enough when we know they're things that work.

01:29:11.000 They wanted a discount to 500,000 to 3 million defensive uses of firearms each year.

01:29:16.000 They don't have this happen, even though they have a high gun ownership rate in the country.

01:29:20.000 There are reasonable things that we can do to make a difference.

01:29:25.000 It's not infringing on your Second Amendment.

01:29:27.000 And the idea to have some of these weapons out there, it just doesn't make any sense.

01:29:32.000 Kamala Harris as an Attorney General worked on this issue. 0.97

01:29:36.000 She knows that it's there.

01:29:37.000 No one's trying to scaremonger and say we're taking your guns, but I ask all of you out there.

01:29:41.000 Except she literally said we're taking your guns.

01:29:42.000 Bring it up in the fact check at the end of the show.

01:29:44.000 Mission control.

01:29:45.000 Is that what we have to go when we know there's countries around the world that their children

01:29:51.000 aren't practicing these types of drills?

01:29:53.000 They're being kids.

01:29:54.000 We owe it to them to get a fix.

01:29:56.000 These are things that shouldn't be that difficult.

01:29:59.000 You can still keep your firearms, and we can make a difference.

01:30:02.000 We have to.

01:30:02.000 If you're listening tonight, this breaks your heart.

01:30:06.000 Tim, first of all, I didn't know that your 17-year-old witness is shooting.

01:30:06.000 Senator?

01:30:09.000 I'm sorry about that.

01:30:10.000 I appreciate you saying so.

01:30:11.000 Christ have mercy.

01:30:12.000 It is awful.

01:30:14.000 And I appreciate what Tim said, actually, about Finland, because I do think it illustrates some of the, frankly, weird differences between our own country's gun violence problem and Finland.

01:30:24.000 First of all, We have way higher rates of mental health abuse, or mental health substance abuse.

01:30:32.000 We have way higher rates of depression, way higher rates of anxiety.

01:30:35.000 We unfortunately have a mental health crisis in this country that I really do think that we need to get to the root causes of, because I don't think it's the whole reason why we have such a bad gun violence problem, but I do think it's a big piece of it.

01:30:46.000 Another driver of the gun violence epidemic, especially that affecting our kids, it doesn't earn as many headlines, but is the terrible gun violence problem in a lot of our big cities.

01:30:56.000 And this is why we have to empower law enforcement to arrest the bad guys, put them away, and take gun offenders off the streets.

01:31:04.000 I think there's a whole host of things that we can do here, but I do think at our schools we've got to talk about more security.

01:31:09.000 Senator, thank you.

01:31:10.000 Governor, you previously opposed an assault weapons ban, but it only laid out in your political career.

01:31:16.000 Did you change your position?

01:31:18.000 Why?

01:31:18.000 I've become friends with school shooters.

01:31:20.000 I've seen it.

01:31:21.000 Look, the NRA, I was NRA guy for a long time.

01:31:23.000 You've become friends with school shooters?

01:31:25.000 I'm of an age where my shotgun was in my car so I could pheasant hunt after football practice.

01:31:29.000 That's not where we live today.

01:31:31.000 And several things I want to mention on this is, talking about cities and where it's at, the number one Where the most firearm deaths happen in Minnesota are rural suicides.

01:31:43.000 And we have an epidemic of- But no one's really concerned about that.

01:31:46.000 They're just talking about violent crime.

01:31:47.000 Homicide.

01:31:48.000 In Minneapolis?

01:31:49.000 We should look at all of the issues.

01:31:52.000 Making sure folks have healthcare and all that, but I want to be very careful.

01:31:55.000 This idea of stigmatizing mental health, just because you have a mental health issue, doesn't mean you're violent.

01:32:01.000 And I think what we end up- But you support red flag laws, Demi! 0.71

01:32:04.000 That's exactly what red flag laws- It's just the guns, and there are things that you can do.

01:32:09.000 It's not just the guns!

01:32:11.000 He just maybe lost the election. 1.00

01:32:11.000 Holy shit! 1.00

01:32:12.000 It's just the guns. 1.00

01:32:14.000 He maybe just lost the election.

01:32:15.000 It's the single losingest issue for Democrats across this country, and he couldn't have given a worse answer.

01:32:20.000 Clip that.

01:32:20.000 It's just the guns.

01:32:22.000 Let's turn now to the top contributor to inflation.

01:32:26.000 By the way, 2019 Kamala Harris promises mandatory government plan for buyback of guns.

01:32:30.000 More than 4 million homes in the United States and that contributes to the high housing prices.

01:32:36.000 Governor Walz, the Harris campaign promises a $25,000 down payment assistance for first-time homebuyers and a $10,000 tax credit.

01:32:46.000 They also promised to build 3 million new homes.

01:32:51.000 Where are you building these homes and won't handing out that kind of money just to drive up prices higher?

01:32:56.000 Minnesota!

01:32:56.000 No, it's not handing out.

01:32:57.000 We have, first let me say this, this issue of housing, and I think those of you listening

01:33:01.000 on this, the problem we've had is that we've got a lot of folks that see housing as another

01:33:06.000 commodity.

01:33:07.000 It can be bought up, it can be shifted, it can be moved around.

01:33:11.000 Those are not folks living in those houses.

01:33:13.000 Those of you listening tonight, that house is a big deal.

01:33:15.000 I bought and owned one house in my life.

01:33:17.000 My mom still lives in the house where I was.

01:33:19.000 And when I think of a house, I'm thinking of Christmas services after midnight mass

01:33:23.000 where you go with your family.

01:33:25.000 We need to make it more affordable.

01:33:27.000 And one of the things, as I said, this program that the Vice President is pushing forward

01:33:32.000 and bringing a new way of approaching this is something we're doing in Minnesota from

01:33:36.000 that lead.

01:33:37.000 We in the state invested in making sure our housing was the biggest investment that we'd

01:33:41.000 ever made in housing.

01:33:42.000 Also, zero-degree temperatures.

01:33:43.000 It starts to make it easier.

01:33:44.000 We cut some of the red tape.

01:33:45.000 Local folks, look, we can't do it at the federal level, but local folks make it easier to

01:33:49.000 build those homes.

01:33:50.000 And then that down payment assistance.

01:33:51.000 I can tell all of you out there, one of the, certainly for me, using the GI Bill was one

01:33:57.000 thing, but a veteran's home loan, the big thing about a veteran's home loan is you don't

01:34:02.000 have to pay the down payment.

01:34:04.000 Those are things that make it there.

01:34:05.000 Now look, you're going to pay that.

01:34:06.000 You earned that.

01:34:07.000 And you're going to pay your mortgage.

01:34:08.000 Those are things that we know in the long run, the appreciated value, the generational wealth that's created from it.

01:34:14.000 And I will give Minneapolis an example.

01:34:16.000 Minneapolis is the one city where we've seen the lowest inflation rates.

01:34:19.000 We've seen a 12% increase in stock.

01:34:21.000 Okay, you know what?

01:34:21.000 I'll give him this one.

01:34:22.000 How about this?

01:34:23.000 You serve your country?

01:34:24.000 Alright, you don't have to make a down payment.

01:34:25.000 You earned it.

01:34:27.000 I don't think you should have to.

01:34:27.000 It's not free.

01:34:29.000 Serve your country?

01:34:30.000 Oh wait, that's already policy.

01:34:31.000 I have to use the bathroom.

01:34:33.000 End up with a stable job.

01:34:34.000 People with stable housing have their kids able to be able to get to school.

01:34:38.000 All of those things in the long run end up saving our money.

01:34:41.000 And that's the thing that I think we should be able to find some common ground in.

01:34:45.000 But we can't blame immigrants for the only reason.

01:34:49.000 That's not the case that's happening in many cities.

01:34:51.000 The fact of the matter is that we don't have an adequate level of affordable housing, but we can make sure that the government's there to help kickstart it, create that base.

01:35:02.000 Governor, your time is up.

01:35:03.000 Senator Vance, as far as your campaign's position, the promise is to seize federal lands to build homes, remove regulation, provide tax breaks, and cut back on immigration, which you say pushes up prices.

01:35:18.000 Where are you going to build all the new homes you're promising, and what part of any of this plan will provide immediate relief?

01:35:25.000 You have two minutes.

01:35:26.000 Well, first of all, Tim just said something that I agree with.

01:35:29.000 We don't want to blame immigrants for higher housing prices, but we do want to blame Kamala Harris for letting in millions of illegal aliens into this country, which does drive up costs, Tim. 0.99

01:35:40.000 25 million illegally aligned.

01:35:42.000 Competing with Americans for scarce homes is one of the most significant drivers of 0.86

01:35:47.000 home prices in the country.

01:35:48.000 It's why we have massive increases in home prices that have happened right alongside

01:35:54.000 massive increases in illegal alien populations under Kamala Harris's leadership.

01:36:00.000 Now Tim just mentioned a bunch of ideas.

01:36:02.000 Now some of those ideas I actually think are halfway decent and some of them I disagree

01:36:05.000 with but the most important thing here is Kamala Harris is not running as a newcomer

01:36:10.000 to politics.

01:36:11.000 She is the sitting vice president.

01:36:13.000 If she wants to enact all of these policies to make housing more affordable, I invite her to use the office that the American people already gave her, not sit around and campaign and do nothing while Americans find the American dream of homeownership completely unaffordable. 0.99

01:36:29.000 Now, you asked, Margaret, what would immediately change the equation for American citizens?

01:36:34.000 If you lower energy prices, as Donald Trump says, drill, baby, drill.

01:36:39.000 One of the biggest drivers of housing costs, aside from illegal immigration, is think about it.

01:36:43.000 If a truck driver's paying 40% more for diesel, then the lumber he's delivering to the job site to build the house is also going to become a lot more expensive.

01:36:51.000 Exactly.

01:36:52.000 If we open up American energy, you will get immediate pricing relief for American citizens.

01:36:58.000 Not by the way, just in housing, but in a whole host of other economic goods too.

01:37:02.000 That's a good answer.

01:37:03.000 Senator Vance, you still have 23 seconds there.

01:37:05.000 Do you want to answer? 1.00

01:37:06.000 Bitch, I don't need them! 1.00

01:37:08.000 Governor, we will get to you in a moment. 1.00

01:37:10.000 Senator, where are you going to seize the federal lands?

01:37:13.000 Can you clarify?

01:37:14.000 Well, what Donald Trump has said is we have a lot of federal lands that aren't being used for anything.

01:37:17.000 They're not being used for a national park.

01:37:19.000 They're not being used, and they could be places where we build a lot of housing.

01:37:23.000 And I do think that we should be opening up building in this country.

01:37:26.000 We have a lot of land that could be used.

01:37:29.000 We have a lot of Americans that need them.

01:37:31.000 Did Tim Walz's lips get drier over the course of this debate?

01:37:34.000 It's his life leaving him.

01:37:36.000 Oh yeah, the blood's flowing to his forehead.

01:37:37.000 Looks like a shrunken head.

01:37:39.000 Senator, your time is up.

01:37:40.000 Governor, I do want to let you respond to the allegation that the vice president is letting in

01:37:46.000 migrants.

01:37:48.000 So why do you look like the one Muppet heckler? 0.99

01:37:50.000 I'll check it.

01:37:52.000 The crossings are down compared to when Donald Trump left office.

01:37:54.000 But it's again, blaming and not trying to find a solution.

01:37:56.000 not trying to find the solution.

01:37:57.000 I was going to ask, though, on this question, are we going to drill and build houses in the same federal land?

01:38:02.000 And I think when people hear federal lands, these are really important pieces of land.

01:38:06.000 Now, Minnesota doesn't have a lot of federal lands.

01:38:08.000 I know in the western part of the countries we do.

01:38:10.000 That's because the pirates took them all.

01:38:11.000 There's not a lot of federal lands in and around Minneapolis. 1.00

01:38:13.000 He's not saying national parks, you moron. 0.97

01:38:14.000 So the issue is, is I don't understand the federal lands issue unless we see this, and I worry about this as someone who cares deeply about our national parks and our federal lands. 0.98

01:38:22.000 Okay, look, Walls is just not doing well.

01:38:23.000 We protect these things.

01:38:24.000 Vance is doing a really good job of giving something to Walz that is universally agreeable, where people are going, yeah, it's reasonable.

01:38:32.000 And then Walz is going, well, yeah, but he's done better than I would advise.

01:38:36.000 He didn't take the bait on the gun death stat because he doesn't want to become adversarial with the moderators.

01:38:40.000 He loses the ability to call them out when he becomes adversarial.

01:38:44.000 I don't think I've ever seen someone do a better job than this.

01:38:47.000 The closest I can remember is Carly Fiorina in the primaries in 2016.

01:38:52.000 Huge disappointment since then, by the way.

01:38:54.000 Governor, your time is up, but Senator, on that point, I'd like for you to clarify.

01:39:01.000 There are many contributing factors to high housing costs.

01:39:05.000 What evidence do you have that migrants are...

01:39:09.000 Supply and demand.

01:39:09.000 Economy 101.

01:39:10.000 There's a Federal Reserve study that we're happy to share after the debate.

01:39:13.000 We'll put it up on social media, actually, that really drills down on the connection between these levels of immigration, especially illegal immigration and higher housing prices.

01:39:22.000 Now, of course, Margaret, that's not the entire driver of higher housing prices.

01:39:26.000 It's also the regulatory regime of Kamala Harris.

01:39:30.000 Look, we are a country of builders.

01:39:32.000 We're a country of doers.

01:39:33.000 We're a country of scammers.

01:39:35.000 Can we put up a poll?

01:39:38.000 Is this the best debate performance we've ever seen in our lifetime?

01:39:40.000 Is it me?

01:39:41.000 And that's hard to do because the expectations were already high.

01:39:43.000 That's really hard to do.

01:39:45.000 We're not doing everything exactly as Kamala Harris says that you have to do.

01:39:49.000 And that's hard to do because expectations were already high.

01:39:51.000 That's really hard to do.

01:39:53.000 I'm not old enough to remember the Clinton debates, but I hear he was great.

01:39:56.000 He was great Trump. I hear that.

01:39:58.000 ...housing as a commodity, but the thing that has most turned housing into a commodity is giving it away to

01:40:04.000 millions upon millions of people who have no legal right to be here. 0.99

01:40:08.000 What are the federal regulations?

01:40:09.000 I deal with this as a governor.

01:40:11.000 I get this as a governor.

01:40:12.000 Many of them are state.

01:40:14.000 I get this as a governor.

01:40:15.000 He's doing the same thing that J.D. did.

01:40:16.000 Don't ask a question you don't know the answer to, because J.D.'s going to have an answer.

01:40:19.000 Many of them are state.

01:40:20.000 I don't know which ones are federal, but I think whenever we talk regulations,

01:40:24.000 people think they can get rid of them.

01:40:26.000 Watch, we're going to try and move on.

01:40:27.000 's gonna say, well, he did ask me a question.

01:40:28.000 Watch, that's what's gonna happen if they try and move on.

01:40:30.000 ...that it's fireproof and those types of things.

01:40:32.000 So which are the regulations?

01:40:33.000 Because the vice president's not responsible for those.

01:40:36.000 Congress writes those.

01:40:37.000 Governor, thank you.

01:40:37.000 Not my job!

01:40:38.000 Gentlemen, we have a lot to get to.

01:40:41.000 You're passionate about the housing crisis, I can tell.

01:40:44.000 Nora?

01:40:45.000 Thank you.

01:40:46.000 One of the top problems facing Americans... Thank you, I don't like you.

01:40:49.000 I'm telling you, there's tension between these two.

01:40:53.000 Former President Trump was asked about replacing the Affordable Care Act.

01:40:55.000 I'll tell you what though, if my lady looked at me with the hatred she has for Mrs. Pink, 1.00

01:40:57.000 I'd be harder than a whale's tooth.

01:40:59.000 In response, he said, I have the basics of a plan.

01:41:01.000 Since then, Senator, you've talked about changing how chronically ill Americans get health insurance.

01:41:06.000 Can you explain how that would work?

01:41:09.000 And can you guarantee that Americans with pre-existing conditions won't pay more?

01:41:14.000 I'll give you two minutes.

01:41:15.000 Oh, geez.

01:41:16.000 Well, of course, we're going to cover Americans with pre-existing conditions. 0.58

01:41:19.000 In fact, a lot of my family members have gotten health care.

01:41:23.000 I believe a number of members of my family actually got private health insurance, at least for the first time, switched off of Medicaid onto private insurance for the first time under Donald Trump's leadership.

01:41:32.000 And I think that, you know, a lot of people have criticized this concept.

01:41:35.000 Which is great, because one third of all doctors don't even accept Medicare, I believe.

01:41:38.000 I don't know if that was a Florida stat or a national stat, but a huge percentage of doctors don't accept Medicare and Medicaid at this point.

01:41:43.000 I can confirm this.

01:41:44.000 As a business owner under Donald Trump, we started offering full health insurance plans for employees.

01:41:46.000 wouldn't actually mean anything because part of this is the give and take of bipartisan

01:41:50.000 negotiation.

01:41:51.000 Now, when Donald Trump was actually president, and again, he has a record to be proud of,

01:41:56.000 prescription drugs fell in 2018 for the first time in a very long time under Kamala Harris's

01:42:01.000 leadership.

01:42:02.000 Prescription drugs are up about 7%.

01:42:04.000 I can confirm this.

01:42:05.000 As a business owner under Donald Trump, we started offering full health insurance plans

01:42:08.000 for employees.

01:42:09.000 Before that, it was health sharing because it was too expensive.

01:42:12.000 There was a way to circumnavigate the Obamacare law. 0.77

01:42:15.000 Paris Committee took it away.

01:42:18.000 I did.

01:42:18.000 Oh, by the way, also, don't expect us to match the 401k.

01:42:20.000 more choice.

01:42:21.000 And we also drive down costs.

01:42:23.000 We talked about the reinsurance regulations is what I was talking about.

01:42:27.000 Look, Donald Trump has said that if we allow states to experiment a little bit on

01:42:32.000 on how to cover both the chronically ill but the non-chronically ill.

01:42:36.000 It's not just a plan.

01:42:37.000 He actually implemented some of these regulations when he was president of the United States.

01:42:42.000 And I think you can make a really good argument that it salvaged Obamacare, which was doing

01:42:46.000 disastrously until Donald Trump came along.

01:42:48.000 I think this is an important point about President Trump.

01:42:51.000 Of course, you don't have to agree with everything that President Trump has ever said or ever

01:42:55.000 done.

01:42:56.000 But when Obamacare was crushing under the weight of the federal regulatory burden and

01:43:01.000 healthcare costs. You think it helps you.

01:43:02.000 It just allows you to take more blunt brain trauma without getting cut in the face. 0.51

01:43:05.000 face.

01:43:06.000 It's been a bipartisan way to ensure that Americans had access to affordable care.

01:43:10.000 It's not perfect of course and there's so much more that we can do, but I think that

01:43:14.000 Donald Trump has earned the right to put in place some better health care policies.

01:43:19.000 He's earned it because he did it successfully the first time.

01:43:22.000 Alright, here's where being an old guy gives you some history. 0.61

01:43:25.000 I was there at the creation of the ACA.

01:43:28.000 You were there at Tiananmen Square too, and in Afghanistan.

01:43:31.000 I come from a major healthcare state.

01:43:34.000 Home of the Mayo Clinic, home to Medical Alley, 3M, Medtronic, all of those.

01:43:39.000 We understand healthcare.

01:43:41.000 Why did Mayo expand to Arizona?

01:43:43.000 I know, because I got my surgery there.

01:43:45.000 And so what I know is, under Kamala Harris, more people are covered than they have before.

01:43:50.000 Those of you listening, this is critical to you.

01:43:53.000 Now Donald Trump all of a sudden wants you to go back and remember this.

01:43:57.000 He ran on the first thing he was going to do on day one was to repeal Obamacare.

01:44:03.000 On day one, he tried to sign an executive order to repeal the ACA.

01:44:08.000 He signed on to a lawsuit to repeal the ACA, but lost it to the Supreme Court.

01:44:13.000 And the end result was more affordable healthcare for people and actually for businesses.

01:44:17.000 Now, that would be an interesting stat.

01:44:17.000 More businesses.

01:44:18.000 How many more businesses in the first three years of Donald Trump started providing health insurance, small businesses, to their employees?

01:44:23.000 Guarantee you it's very high.

01:44:25.000 Because my accountant said he had never seen the amount of hiring and the amount of benefits being created and granted to the company as those first three years.

01:44:33.000 We did!

01:44:33.000 We did.

01:44:34.000 Kamala Harris negotiated drug prices for the first time with Medicare.

01:44:37.000 We have 10 drugs that will come online, the most common ones that will be there.

01:44:41.000 But look, this issue, and when Donald Trump said, I've got a concept of a plan, it cracked

01:44:47.000 me up as a fourth grade teacher because my kids would have never been there.

01:44:50.000 Teacher drink, but I'm out.

01:44:51.000 I'm out.

01:44:52.000 I'm out.

01:44:53.000 What Senator Vance just explained might be worse than a concept.

01:44:55.000 Because what he explained is pre-Obamacare.

01:44:58.000 And I'll make this as simple as possible because I have done this for a long time.

01:45:02.000 What they're saying is, if you're healthy, why should you pay more?

01:45:06.000 So what they're going to do is let insurance companies pick who they insure because guess what happens?

01:45:11.000 You pay your premium, it's not much.

01:45:13.000 They figure they're not going to have to pay out to you.

01:45:15.000 But those of you a little older, gray, you know, got cancer?

01:45:19.000 You're going to get kicked out of it.

01:45:20.000 That's why the system didn't work.

01:45:21.000 No, you'll have to pay a little bit more because you're going to need a little bit more.

01:45:23.000 That's insurance.

01:45:24.000 You just described socialism.

01:45:26.000 It's the same reason life insurance is cheaper if you get it when you're young.

01:45:28.000 You would protect people with pre-existing conditions or laid out that plan.

01:45:32.000 Well look, we currently have laws and regulations in place right now that protect people with

01:45:37.000 pre-existing conditions. We want to keep those regulations in place, but we also want to make

01:45:41.000 the health insurance marketplace function a little bit better. Now what Donald Walz just said is

01:45:46.000 actually not true. A lot of what happened and the reason that Obamacare was crushing under its own

01:45:51.000 weight is that a lot of young and healthy people were leaving the exchanges. Donald Trump actually

01:45:56.000 helped address that problem and he did so in a way that was not a good thing.

01:45:59.000 We already had those.

01:46:00.000 people's access to coverage who had pre-existing conditions.

01:46:00.000 Risk pools.

01:46:04.000 But again, something that these guys do is they make a lot of claims about if Donald

01:46:09.000 Trump becomes president, all of these terrible consequences are going to ensue.

01:46:14.000 But in reality, Donald Trump was president.

01:46:16.000 Inflation was low.

01:46:17.000 Take-home pay was higher.

01:46:19.000 And he saved the very program from a Democratic administration that was collapsing and would

01:46:24.000 have collapsed absent his leadership.

01:46:27.000 He did his job, which is govern, in a bipartisan way and get results, not just complain about problems, but actually solve them.

01:46:34.000 130 primary care doctors won't take new patients on Medicaid confirmed.

01:46:40.000 It's higher now that we've seen it go up.

01:46:41.000 Look, people are using it.

01:46:42.000 The system works.

01:46:44.000 And the question about this is young people, whatever, that's the individual mandate piece of this.

01:46:48.000 And Republicans fought tooth and nail saying, well, Americans should be free to do this.

01:46:52.000 So you think the individual mandate is a good idea?

01:46:55.000 I think the idea of making sure the risk pool is broad enough to cover everyone, that's the only way insurance works.

01:47:00.000 When it doesn't, it collapses.

01:47:02.000 You are asking me to have free ACA, where we get people out.

01:47:05.000 Look, people know that they need to be on healthcare.

01:47:09.000 People expect it to be there.

01:47:11.000 And when we are able to make it, and we are making it this way, when we incentivize people to be in the market, It's not sick and old.

01:47:18.000 It's bad decisions and unhealthy.

01:47:19.000 I'm really curious to see the post-debate roundups.

01:47:20.000 it there and we make sure then when you get sick and old it's there for you

01:47:25.000 because I hear people say well I don't I don't want to buy into Medicare. Good luck buying health care once you get

01:47:29.000 Really curious to see the post debate roundups. There's no way for them to spin this.

01:47:29.000 past 70.

01:47:34.000 The way she made everything better was negotiating those ten drugs on 1.00

01:47:39.000 Medicare for the first time in American history.

01:47:41.000 Thank you.

01:47:42.000 Margaret, can I address that?

01:47:43.000 I apologize, we're out of time.

01:47:44.000 We have a number of subjects to discuss.

01:47:46.000 By the way, and Vance is really clever, going like, I'm sorry, go ahead. 0.98

01:47:49.000 He's letting everyone know that he's the cock of the walk, baby.

01:47:51.000 There is a child care crisis in this country, and the United States is one of the very few developed countries in the world Without a national paid leave program for new parents.

01:48:02.000 Governor Walz, you said that if Democrats win both the White House and Congress, this is a day one priority for you.

01:48:10.000 How long should employers be required to pay workers while they are home taking care of their newborns? 0.90

01:48:15.000 You have two minutes.

01:48:17.000 Yeah, well, that's negotiable.

01:48:19.000 And that's what Congress worked.

01:48:20.000 But here's what the deal is.

01:48:22.000 American sitting out there right now, you may work for a big company.

01:48:25.000 Look, we're home in Minnesota to some of the largest Fortune 500 companies.

01:48:29.000 Kamala Harris knows that and are in California.

01:48:32.000 Those companies provide paid family medical leave.

01:48:34.000 One is, I think they're moral and they think it's a good thing, but it also keeps their employees healthy.

01:48:40.000 We in Minnesota passed a paid family medical leave.

01:48:42.000 You have a child, You, and I had to go back to work five days after my kids 1.00

01:48:47.000 This allows you to stay home a certain amount of time.

01:48:47.000 were born.

01:48:50.000 What we know is that gets the child off to a better start, the family works better,

01:48:54.000 we stay in their employers, we get more consistency in that.

01:48:57.000 So Kamala Harris has made it a priority.

01:48:58.000 We implemented it in Minnesota and we see growth.

01:49:01.000 That's how you become a pro-business state.

01:49:04.000 Let me just explain this really quickly.

01:49:05.000 They want to apply it to all companies.

01:49:07.000 And I can tell you this, it's not a policy that's been enshrined into law in Texas, but we have given women significant amounts of time off. 0.99

01:49:14.000 And men here get two weeks off when they have a new child.

01:49:17.000 Men like you, but you didn't take all of it. 0.78

01:49:19.000 We've done that just as a way to try and help out.

01:49:22.000 You say that we have to give people two, three months off.

01:49:24.000 Guess what's going to happen?

01:49:25.000 People are going to hire less women. 1.00

01:49:27.000 Now I have a real wage gap problem.

01:49:28.000 And men?

01:49:29.000 Go back to work.

01:49:29.000 Sorry.

01:49:30.000 He's never said that.

01:49:31.000 Go back to work.

01:49:32.000 He's willing to say, bust those unions up, do whatever.

01:49:36.000 What we're saying is the economy works best when it works for all of us.

01:49:40.000 And so a paid family medical leave program, and I will tell you, go to the families or 0.74

01:49:45.000 go to the businesses and ask them.

01:49:47.000 As far as child care, you have to take it on both the supply and the demand side.

01:49:52.000 You can't expect the most important people in our lives to take either our children or

01:49:56.000 our parents to get paid the least amount of money.

01:49:59.000 But people need to leave now because your entire party created a dual income household 0.99

01:50:04.000 necessity, to be clear.

01:50:06.000 to do it in Minnesota, and I'm still telling you this, we were listed as the best state.

01:50:10.000 We're still in crisis on this.

01:50:11.000 A federal program of faith, and medical leave, and help with this

01:50:15.000 will enhance our workforce, enhance our families, and make it easier to have the children that you want.

01:50:20.000 Governor, your time is up.

01:50:21.000 Senator, do you support a national paid leave program, and if so, for how long should employers be mandated to pay their employees while they are home taking care of their newborn?

01:50:32.000 You have two minutes.

01:50:33.000 Yeah, well, first of all, Margaret, a number of my Republican colleagues and some Democrats, too, have worked on this issue, and I think there is a bipartisan solution here because a lot of us care about this issue.

01:50:41.000 I mean, look, I speak for this very personally because I'm married to a beautiful woman.

01:50:46.000 He's forcing Wallace to nod his head yes.

01:50:48.000 More than Wall should be.

01:50:49.000 More than Wall is three beautiful kids, but is also a very, very brilliant corporate litigator.

01:50:52.000 And I'm so proud of her.

01:50:54.000 But being a working mom, even for somebody with all of the advantages of my wife, is

01:50:58.000 extraordinarily difficult.

01:51:01.000 And it's not just difficult from a policy perspective.

01:51:03.000 She actually had access to paid family leave because she worked for a bigger company. 0.94

01:51:07.000 But the cultural pressure on young families, and especially young women, I think makes

01:51:12.000 it really hard for people to choose the family model they want.

01:51:15.000 A lot of young women would like to go back to work immediately. 1.00

01:51:18.000 Some would like to spend a little time home with the kids.

01:51:20.000 Some would like to spend longer at home with the kids.

01:51:22.000 We should have a family care model that makes choice possible.

01:51:26.000 And I think this is a very important substantive difference between Donald Trump and Kamala

01:51:30.000 Harris.

01:51:31.000 If you look at the federal programs that we have, the Support Paid Family Leave right now, the Community Development Block Grant, and there's another block grant program that spends a lot of money from the federal government.

01:51:42.000 These programs only go to one kind of child care model.

01:51:45.000 Let's say you'd like your church, maybe, to help you out with child care.

01:51:49.000 Maybe you live in a rural area or an urban area and you want to get together.

01:51:54.000 This is the one thing the media is going to fact check him on and say he didn't give a specific plan.

01:51:57.000 of these federal monies. We want to promote choice in how we deliver family care and how

01:52:03.000 we promote child care because look, it is unacceptable. And you know, of course, Tim

01:52:08.000 and I have been on the campaign trail a lot the past seven or eight weeks. This is the

01:52:11.000 one thing the media is going to fact check him out and say he didn't give a specific

01:52:13.000 plan. People who feel like, but neither did Tim Walz, options like they're choosing between

01:52:18.000 going to work or taking care of their kids.

01:52:20.000 That is an incredible burden to put on American families.

01:52:23.000 We're the only country that does it.

01:52:25.000 I think we could do a heck of a lot better.

01:52:27.000 Senator, thank you.

01:52:29.000 I would say that was his weakest answer of the night.

01:52:31.000 But still, he still had Tim Walz agreeing with him.

01:52:34.000 The Federal Reserve says parents will spend nearly as much on childcare as they do on housing each month.

01:52:42.000 So I want to get your thoughts on this.

01:52:45.000 The answer is in the question.

01:52:47.000 Be a single income household if you can.

01:52:49.000 There you go.

01:52:51.000 Relatively speaking, they are very expensive compared to the kinds of numbers we'll be taking in.

01:52:57.000 Is President Trump committed to the $5,000 per child tax credit that you have described?

01:53:04.000 You have one minute.

01:53:05.000 Well, what President Trump said, Margaret, I just want to defend my running mate here a little bit,

01:53:08.000 is that we're going to be taking in a lot of money by penalizing companies for shipping jobs overseas

01:53:14.000 and penalizing countries who employ slave laborers and then ship their products back into our country

01:53:20.000 and undercut the wages of American workers.

01:53:23.000 It's the heart of the Donald Trump economic plan.

01:53:25.000 Cut taxes for American workers and American families.

01:53:28.000 Cut taxes for businesses that are hiring and building companies in the United States of America.

01:53:33.000 But penalize companies and countries that are shipping jobs overseas.

01:53:37.000 That's the heart of the economic proposal.

01:53:39.000 And I think what President Trump is saying is that when we bring in this additional revenue with higher economic growth, we're going to be able to provide paid family leave, childcare options that are viable and workable for a lot of American families.

01:53:53.000 Can you clarify how that will solve the child care shortage?

01:53:58.000 Well, because as Tim said, a lot of the child care shortage is we just don't have enough resources going into the multiple people who could be providing family care options.

01:54:07.000 And we're going to have to, unfortunately, look, we're going to have to spend more money.

01:54:11.000 We're going to have to induce more people to want to provide child care options for American families.

01:54:15.000 Because the reason it's so expensive right now is because you've got way too few people providing this very essential service.

01:54:22.000 Thank you, Senator.

01:54:23.000 Governor Walz, your ticket also has some child care tax credit proposals.

01:54:28.000 Do you think Congress will agree to the $6,000 credit for newborns and $3,000 credit for children over the age of six as your campaign has promised?

01:54:38.000 Is that realistic?

01:54:40.000 Well, if these members of Congress are listening to anybody, I can tell you, and this is the biggest issue.

01:54:45.000 Everybody listening tonight knows.

01:54:46.000 I mean, I'm sure they were shocked to hear it's not that expensive.

01:54:49.000 And let's be clear, whether it's $5,000 or $6,000, that pays you about three or four months.

01:54:54.000 Let's be clear of where we're at on this.

01:54:56.000 It's because we got out of an imbalance on this.

01:54:58.000 We thought we were going to get by by not paying people.

01:55:00.000 I don't think Senator Vance and I are that far apart.

01:55:03.000 I'm not opposed to what he's talking about on options.

01:55:05.000 We've done scholarship types of things.

01:55:07.000 I think we need to be open to making the case.

01:55:09.000 But the issue here is, the question you asked is, you're not going to pay for it with these tariffs.

01:55:14.000 That's just adding another $4,000 on the family and taking less. 0.97

01:55:17.000 So not only do they not get the money to pay for that, they're $4,000 in the pool.

01:55:21.000 That's Wharton School.

01:55:22.000 That's his alma mater.

01:55:24.000 And so I think the issue here is... The alma mater you cited as supporting your economic plan until they said, sure they'll talk about taxes sometime.

01:55:32.000 But they will lead with childcare, and they will lead with housing.

01:55:35.000 Because we know the problem is, especially in a state like Minnesota, we need more workers because our economy is growing, but we need the workforce.

01:55:41.000 Governor, thank you.

01:55:42.000 We need to move on.

01:55:44.000 Let's talk about the state of democracy.

01:55:46.000 The top issue for Americans after the economy and inflation.

01:55:50.000 After the 2020 election, President Trump's campaign and others filed 62 lawsuits contesting the results.

01:55:58.000 Judges, including those appointed by President Trump and other Republican presidents, looked at the evidence and said there was no widespread fraud.

01:56:06.000 Bring up that in the fact check.

01:56:07.000 They didn't even look at the evidence.

01:56:08.000 Bring up the amount of cases.

01:56:10.000 I believe it was out of the 60.

01:56:11.000 Was it 30-something or 40 that didn't even look at the evidence?

01:56:14.000 Put that in the fact check again.

01:56:16.000 We'll have this at the end of the VP debate.

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01:56:24.000 We can't do it without you.

01:56:25.000 presidential election and would have asked the states to submit alternative 1.00

01:56:25.000 Or you're gay. 1.00

01:56:29.000 electors. That has been called unconstitutional and illegal. 0.99

01:56:34.000 Would you again seek to challenge this year's election results even

01:56:38.000 if every governor certifies the results? I'll give you two minutes. Well,

01:56:43.000 Laura, first of all I think that we're focused on the future.

01:56:45.000 We need to figure out how to solve the inflation crisis caused by Kamala Harris' policies, make housing affordable, make groceries affordable, and that's what we're focused on. 0.98

01:56:53.000 But I want to answer your question because you did ask it.

01:56:56.000 Look, what President Trump has said is that there were problems in 2020, and my own belief is that we should fight about those issues, debate those issues, peacefully in the public square and that's all I've said

01:57:08.000 and that's all that Donald Trump has said. Remember, he said that on January

01:57:11.000 the 6th the protesters ought to protest peacefully and on January the 20th what

01:57:15.000 happened? Joe Biden became the president, Donald Trump left the White House and

01:57:19.000 now of course unfortunately we have all of the negative policies that

01:57:23.000 have come from the Harris-Biden administration. I believe that we actually

01:57:27.000 do have a threat to democracy in this country but unfortunately it's

01:57:31.000 not the threat to democracy that Kamala Harris and Tim Walz will face.

01:57:32.000 to talk to him. He's looked down for way too long.

01:57:36.000 He's going to walk Tim Walz right into this.

01:57:40.000 We have the clip of Tim Walz's habit at the end of him saying that the First Amendment doesn't cover your right to hate speak.

01:57:45.000 I'm gonna speak.

01:57:46.000 ... silencing their fellow citizens and it's Kamala Harris saying that rather than debate

01:57:49.000 and persuade her fellow Americans, she'd like to censor people who engage in misinformation.

01:57:54.000 I think that is a much bigger threat to democracy than anything that we've seen in this country

01:57:58.000 in the last four years, in the last 40 years.

01:58:00.000 He knows Tim Walz's position.

01:58:01.000 Now I'm really proud, especially given that I was raised...

01:58:03.000 Either Tim Walz is going to have to reiterate his position where he's pro-censorship, or if he walks away from it, then J.D.

01:58:09.000 Vance is going to say, but why did you say, and bring it back up.

01:58:12.000 It's going to be one of those two.

01:58:12.000 Watch.

01:58:13.000 I guarantee it.

01:58:14.000 If they can show back and forth.

01:58:15.000 We don't have to agree on every issue, but we're united behind a basic American First Amendment principle that we ought to debate our differences.

01:58:23.000 We ought to argue about them.

01:58:24.000 We ought to try to persuade our fellow Americans.

01:58:26.000 Kamala Harris is engaged in censorship at an industrial scale.

01:58:31.000 She did it during COVID.

01:58:32.000 She's done it over a number of other issues and that to me is a much bigger threat to democracy 0.81

01:58:37.000 than what Donald Trump said.

01:58:38.000 32 cases heard on Merit that have 92 filed 24 of 32 won by Donald Trump.

01:58:43.000 Well, I've enjoyed I'm pretty sure.

01:58:46.000 Me too, man.

01:58:46.000 That's why you looked down at your talking point for so long.

01:58:48.000 I'm sympathetic to misspeaking on things and I think I might have with the senator.

01:58:52.000 Me too man.

01:58:53.000 There's one though that this one is troubling to me and I say that because I think we need

01:58:57.000 to tell the story.

01:58:59.000 Donald Trump refused to acknowledge this.

01:59:00.000 That's why he looked down at your talking point for so long.

01:59:02.000 I don't think we can be the frog in the pot and let the boiling water go up.

01:59:05.000 He was very clear.

01:59:06.000 I mean he lost this election and he said he didn't.

01:59:09.000 A hundred and forty police officers were beaten at the Capitol that day.

01:59:13.000 Some with the American flag.

01:59:14.000 Several later died.

01:59:15.000 And it wasn't just in there.

01:59:15.000 A hundred and forty?

01:59:17.000 In Minnesota, a group gathered on the state Capitol grounds.

01:59:20.000 More citizens were beaten in one city, in your state, in the Black Lives Matter riots. 0.70

01:59:23.000 Citizens!

01:59:24.000 And there may be casualties.

01:59:25.000 The only person there was my son and his dog, who was rushed out crying by state police.

01:59:31.000 That issue, and Mike Pence standing there as they were chanting, hang Mike Pence.

01:59:36.000 Mike Pence made the right decision.

01:59:38.000 Fact check, bring up the noose of the Mike Pence that was about three feet tall, wouldn't even work for a pygmy. 0.98

01:59:42.000 I worked with Pence long enough to know, and I said as a football coach, sometimes you really want to win, but the democracy is bigger than winning an election.

01:59:49.000 You shake hands, and then you try and do everything you can to help the other side win.

01:59:53.000 Is that what Obama did?

01:59:55.000 That's what was at stake here.

01:59:56.000 But you want to silence people who disagree with you.

01:59:59.000 You've said so.

02:00:00.000 imprisoning your political opponents, already laying the groundwork.

02:00:05.000 One person has done that. Joe Biden. Come on Harris.

02:00:07.000 The president's words matter.

02:00:09.000 Donald Trump let Hillary walk. 1.00

02:00:10.000 The president's words matter. People hear that. So I think this issue of settling our

02:00:15.000 differences at the ballot box, shaking hands when we lose, being honest about it.

02:00:21.000 But to deny what happened on January 6th, the first time in American history.

02:00:21.000 You're ready to shake hands.

02:00:26.000 That lady was four foot tall. 1.00

02:00:28.000 That a president or anyone tried to overturn a fair election and the peaceful transfer of power.

02:00:34.000 And here we are, four years later, in the same boat.

02:00:37.000 I will tell you this, that when this is over, we need to shake hands this election, and the winner needs to be the winner.

02:00:44.000 This has got to stop.

02:00:45.000 It's tearing our country apart.

02:00:47.000 Answer.

02:00:48.000 No answer, J.D.

02:00:48.000 Answer.

02:00:49.000 Senator Vance, did you want to respond to that?

02:00:50.000 Yeah, well, look, Tim.

02:00:52.000 First of all, it's really rich for Democratic leaders to say that Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power on January the 20th, as we have done for 250 years in this country.

02:01:06.000 We are going to shake hands after this debate and after this election.

02:01:09.000 And, of course, I hope that we win, and I think we're going to win.

02:01:11.000 But if Tim Walz is the next vice president, he'll have my prayers, he'll have my best wishes, and he'll have my help.

02:01:17.000 Whenever he wants it.

02:01:18.000 But we have to remember that for years in this country, Democrats protested the results of elections.

02:01:24.000 Hillary Clinton in 2016 said that Donald Trump had the election stolen by Vladimir Putin because the Russians bought like $500,000 worth of Facebook ads.

02:01:34.000 This has been going on for a long time.

02:01:37.000 And if we want to say that we need to respect the results of the election, I'm on board.

02:01:41.000 But if we want to say that this is just a problem that Republicans have had, I don't buy that.

02:01:48.000 January 6th was not Facebook ads.

02:01:50.000 And I think a revisionist history on this.

02:01:54.000 I don't understand how we got to this point.

02:01:57.000 But the issue was that happened.

02:01:59.000 Donald Trump didn't do it.

02:02:00.000 And all of us say there's no place for this.

02:02:02.000 I believe it was a month before, two months before, they burned down a church outside of the White House and they tried to storm the White House gates.

02:02:08.000 Threatening to kill someone, threatening to do something.

02:02:10.000 That's not censorship.

02:02:12.000 Censorship is book banning.

02:02:14.000 We've seen that.

02:02:14.000 We've seen that brought up.

02:02:15.000 Portal books.

02:02:16.000 Bring up, fact check to the list.

02:02:17.000 They banned To Kill a Mockingbird and Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.

02:02:22.000 Republicans want to ban pedophile pornography.

02:02:24.000 And I think there's a lot of agreement.

02:02:26.000 This is why we are miles.

02:02:27.000 A really big fact check at the end of this was a threat to our democracy in a way that

02:02:31.000 we had not seen.

02:02:32.000 And it manifested itself because of Donald Trump's inability to say he is still saying

02:02:37.000 he didn't lose the election.

02:02:38.000 I would just say that.

02:02:39.000 Did he lose the 2020?

02:02:40.000 So Stacey Abrams, Tim, I'm focused on the future.

02:02:43.000 Did Kamala Harris censor Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 COVID situation?

02:02:50.000 That is a damning.

02:02:51.000 That is a damning non answer.

02:02:52.000 She it's a damning non answer for you to not talk about censorship.

02:02:56.000 Obviously Donald Trump is trying to get into trouble in 2020.

02:02:59.000 We've talked about it.

02:03:00.000 I'm happy to talk about it further.

02:03:02.000 But you guys attack us for not believing in democracy.

02:03:05.000 The most sacred right under the United States democracy is the First Amendment.

02:03:10.000 You yourself have said there's no First Amendment right to misinformation.

02:03:14.000 Kamala Harris wants to use the power of government and big tech to silence people from speaking their minds. 1.00

02:03:20.000 That is a threat to democracy that will long outlive this present political moment.

02:03:24.000 I would like Democrats and Republicans to both reject censorship.

02:03:28.000 Let's persuade one another.

02:03:29.000 Let's argue about ideas and then let's come together afterwards.

02:03:33.000 You can't yell fire in a crowded theater.

02:03:35.000 That's the test.

02:03:36.000 That's the Supreme Court test.

02:03:37.000 He has 2016 talking points.

02:03:39.000 You guys wanted to kick people off of Facebook for saying that toddlers shouldn't wear masks.

02:03:44.000 That's not fire in a crowded theater.

02:03:47.000 That is criticizing the policies of the government, which is the right of every American.

02:03:51.000 Senator, the governor does have the floor for one minute to respond to you.

02:03:55.000 I don't run Facebook.

02:03:56.000 What I do know is... Oh, the government does!

02:04:00.000 ...who refused and now again, and I'm shocked by this, he lost the election.

02:04:05.000 This is not a debate.

02:04:06.000 It's not anything anywhere other than Donald Trump's world.

02:04:10.000 Let me be really clear.

02:04:11.000 You claim he lost the election and he was de-platformed by the exact same companies.

02:04:16.000 Facebook at that point, Twitter, YouTube, Google, Apple, all these places that you demanded de-platformed political opposition.

02:04:23.000 Can we be more clear about that?

02:04:25.000 We've been fighting against this since, by the way, 2011.

02:04:28.000 You can see us be demonetized back in 2016, the Vox Apocalypse.

02:04:31.000 We know all about censorship.

02:04:32.000 That's why we're on Rumble.

02:04:33.000 If you're watching on YouTube, head on over to Rumble.

02:04:35.000 It is a matter of policy that has been...

02:04:39.000 Thank you, gentlemen.

02:04:40.000 We will be right back with both of our candidates.

02:04:42.000 from the Democrat Party, Mark Zuckerberg admitted it.

02:04:45.000 Elon Musk, now that he has Twitter, has admitted it.

02:04:47.000 YouTube admitted it to us.

02:04:49.000 We provided you with the receipts.

02:04:51.000 And they've tried to do it to Rumble.

02:04:52.000 And CEO Chris Pavlovsky of Rumble has told you and provided receipts.

02:04:56.000 At every turn, they want to silence voices of dissent.

02:04:58.000 Thank you, gentlemen.

02:05:00.000 We will be right back with both of our candidates.

02:05:04.000 The CBS News vice presidential debate continues.

02:05:08.000 All right, really quickly, we're going to be back in just two minutes.

02:05:12.000 I'm going to make sure that we have this live fact check here at the end of this, kind of like an ombudsman, because boy, has this been a night.

02:05:18.000 It's been a doozy.

02:05:19.000 I'd love to see the results of that poll.

02:05:20.000 I think this is the best debate performance I've ever seen from someone on either side of the aisle, from J.D.

02:05:26.000 Vance.

02:05:27.000 Before we come right back, right now we do have, because we were asked who would be the best press secretary for Donald Trump, the answer has come back time and time again.

02:05:34.000 You can also watch him on Mug Club weekdays at 5 p.m.

02:05:37.000 Nick DiPaolo.

02:05:37.000 Eastern.

02:05:38.000 Nick DiPaolo, and so I present to you the parallel universe in which Nick DiPaolo is the White House Press Secretary.

02:05:43.000 We'll be right back with a fact check.

02:05:53.000 I'm the Press Secretary for the President.

02:05:56.000 Got all your lies and smears lined up, I bet?

02:06:01.000 I can smoke in here, right? 0.85

02:06:02.000 I thought I could.

02:06:04.000 Anybody got a problem with it, talk to the President.

02:06:07.000 Any questions? 1.00

02:06:09.000 How does this administration... Can you speak up, bitch? 1.00

02:06:12.000 How does this administration try to revamp its image? 1.00

02:06:17.000 Revamp its image?

02:06:19.000 Why would it want to revamp its image?

02:06:21.000 We have the greatest economy in the history of the country.

02:06:24.000 I mean, even black people will work it. 1.00

02:06:27.000 Why would we want to revamp that?

02:06:29.000 What else did we do good?

02:06:31.000 We were building a wall.

02:06:31.000 Pretty much everything.

02:06:34.000 Not the Z-Brick one you guys are gonna put up. 1.00

02:06:37.000 Um, yeah, so there's no revamping.

02:06:39.000 We're very proud of what we did in those four years.

02:06:42.000 Especially on January 6th.

02:06:44.000 Anyways.

02:06:45.000 Hey, this is Whistleblower 52 for Open Minds of America, talking with marginalized communities

02:06:56.000 on why hate has no place in Texas.

02:07:01.000 Or America.

02:07:03.000 Or on Earth.

02:07:05.000 Do you think that I take place in the city?

02:07:21.000 That kind of hate? 1.00

02:07:23.000 Can you believe this sh**? 0.99

02:07:24.000 You don't think it should be taken down? 0.99

02:07:26.000 In the city?

02:07:26.000 They shouldn't allow this kind of hate?

02:07:29.000 I find it repulsive.

02:07:30.000 They're from Newfoundland.

02:07:31.000 They're from Canada.

02:07:32.000 They were Polish too.

02:07:33.000 Like, they came over because of the Holocaust. 0.97

02:07:35.000 So what was worse for them?

02:07:36.000 Was it the Holocaust or Newfoundland? 0.51

02:07:38.000 But you think it should be allowed to stay up?

02:07:40.000 Yes, I think so.

02:07:40.000 Yes.

02:07:41.000 Yes.

02:07:42.000 Even though I find it repulsive.

02:07:43.000 No, I want the city to take it down.

02:07:45.000 Yeah.

02:07:45.000 It's been there for a while, too.

02:07:47.000 Oh, it's been there for a while?

02:07:48.000 Yeah.

02:07:49.000 It's changed my mind.

02:07:50.000 So I found the money because it gets people talking.

02:07:52.000 It's changed my mind.

02:07:53.000 So I found the money because it gets people talking.

02:08:00.000 Glad to be back with you.

02:08:00.000 The drinking game rules tonight.

02:08:01.000 Bring them back up.

02:08:02.000 Anytime Walz doesn't directly answer a question, you drink.

02:08:05.000 Anytime someone mentions Product 2035, you drink.

02:08:07.000 Anytime Walz mentions a coach or teacher, namely himself, you drink.

02:08:10.000 Anytime JD Vance goes beast mode, which has been pretty much every question, you drink.

02:08:13.000 Finish your drink.

02:08:14.000 Anytime the moderator's getting up on Vance, the promo code is VPDEBATE.

02:08:18.000 $15 off Mug Club.

02:08:19.000 Talking of censorship, we've been fighting upstream against that for a very long time here, and we know that it comes directly from the administration, those in positions of government, so the idea that, well, it's a private company, they can do whatever they want, that doesn't hold true anymore.

02:08:32.000 We have six pages to be printed out of fact-checking from tonight.

02:08:37.000 I know Mission Control's been working on that.

02:08:38.000 We also have the 7 plus 1 October surprises.

02:08:42.000 We've done our research, and Thomas Finnegan, after this, I almost forgot, too.

02:08:45.000 By the way, we just launched a new shirt.

02:08:46.000 So Trump Vance 2024.

02:08:47.000 You got to pull that down.

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02:08:53.000 Most of us got them.

02:08:54.000 By the way, prediction right now, no matter what happens, that's the president in 2028.

02:08:59.000 Dude, right?

02:09:00.000 Good lord.

02:09:02.000 Out of nowhere.

02:09:03.000 I spoke with Pops Crowder.

02:09:04.000 He said, ah, I think he could have more satchel.

02:09:05.000 It'd be a little tougher.

02:09:06.000 I think he's given... His demeanor is perfect.

02:09:06.000 I don't think so.

02:09:08.000 Yeah, he's given Waltz nothing to disagree with.

02:09:11.000 Where I would have been more aggressive, I think he's doing it a little bit more deftly.

02:09:15.000 I thought the same thing about Vivek Ramaswamy.

02:09:16.000 That's why I like Vivek so much, because he was so upfront, he was direct, and he had a bit of aggression to it.

02:09:22.000 You have it great together, but there's a certain edge that JD has that Vivek didn't have about composure and being calm.

02:09:29.000 You can't beat up Waltz.

02:09:30.000 You can't go after him.

02:09:31.000 No, it's like beating up a baby.

02:09:32.000 Yeah.

02:09:33.000 There we go. 0.98

02:09:34.000 It looks like a friggin' baby, dude. 0.99

02:09:36.000 Give me the baby from Roger Rabbit. 0.99

02:09:38.000 Yes, the man baby. 0.63

02:09:40.000 So, Governor Walz, you are first.

02:09:42.000 You have two minutes.

02:09:42.000 Well, I'm voting for this guy.

02:09:43.000 Thank you, Senator Vance.

02:09:45.000 Thank you to CBS News.

02:09:46.000 And most importantly, thank you to all of you.

02:09:49.000 If you're still up and the folks who miss dancing with our stars, I appreciate it.

02:09:52.000 But look, the support of the democracy matters.

02:09:55.000 It matters that you're here.

02:09:57.000 And I'm as surprised as anybody of this coalition that Kamala Harris has built, from Bernie Sanders to Dick Cheney to Taylor Swift, and a whole bunch of folks in between there.

02:10:06.000 What?!

02:10:07.000 And they don't all agree on everything, but they are truly optimistic people.

02:10:12.000 They believe in a positive future of this country, and one where our politics can be better than it is.

02:10:18.000 And I have to tell you, that better than it is It's the sense of optimism that there can be an opportunity economy that works for everyone.

02:10:27.000 Not just to get by, but to get ahead.

02:10:30.000 And the idea that freedom really means something.

02:10:32.000 Not the freedom of government to be in your bedroom or exam room, but the freedom for you to make choices about yourself.

02:10:38.000 Now look, we all know who Donald Trump is.

02:10:41.000 He's told us, and as Maya Angelou said, believe him when he told you that.

02:10:45.000 His first inaugural address talked about American carnage.

02:10:48.000 And then he spent four years trying to maybe do that.

02:10:51.000 Senator Vance tonight made it clear he will stand with Donald Trump's agenda.

02:10:57.000 He will continue to push down that road.

02:10:59.000 Excuse me.

02:11:01.000 Kamala Harris gives us a different option.

02:11:03.000 Now I have to tell you, I'm going to be careful about the quotes, but there's one that Senator Vance said that does resonate with me.

02:11:09.000 He said Donald Trump makes the people I care about afraid.

02:11:13.000 A lot of America feels that way.

02:11:15.000 We don't need to be afraid.

02:11:17.000 Franklin Roosevelt was right. 0.73

02:11:18.000 All we have to fear is fear itself.

02:11:20.000 Kamala Harris is bringing us a new way forward.

02:11:23.000 She's bringing us a politics of joy.

02:11:25.000 She's bringing real solutions for the middle class, and she's centering you at the heart of that.

02:11:30.000 All the while asking everyone, join this movement, make your voices heard, let's look for a new day where everybody gets that opportunity and everybody gets a chance to thrive.

02:11:42.000 I humbly ask for your vote on November 5th for Commonwealth.

02:11:49.000 Well I want to thank Governor Walz, you folks at CBS, and of course the American people for tuning in this evening.

02:11:55.000 One of the issues we didn't talk about was energy.

02:11:57.000 And I remember when I was being raised by my grandmother, when she didn't have enough money to turn on the heat some nights because Ohio gets pretty cold at night, and because money was often very tight.

02:12:07.000 And I believe, as a person who wants to be your next vice president, that we are a rich and prosperous enough country where every American, whether they're rich or poor, ought to be able to turn on their heat in the middle of a cold winter night.

02:12:19.000 That's gotten more difficult, thanks to Kamala Harris's energy policies. 1.00

02:12:23.000 I believe that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford a nice meal for your family.

02:12:28.000 That's gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies. 1.00

02:12:31.000 I believe that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford to buy a house.

02:12:34.000 You ought to be able to live in safe neighborhoods.

02:12:36.000 You ought to not have your communities flooded with fentanyl, and that too has gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies. 0.99

02:12:44.000 Now, I've been in politics long enough to do what Kamala Harris does when she stands before the American people and says that on day one, she's going to work on all these challenges I just listed. 0.99

02:12:54.000 She's been the vice president for three and a half years.

02:12:57.000 Day one was 1,400 days ago, and her policies have made these problems worse. 1.00

02:13:03.000 Now, I believe that we have the most beautiful country in the world.

02:13:07.000 I meet people on the campaign trail who can't afford food, but have the grace and generosity to ask me how I'm doing and to tell me they're praying for my family.

02:13:16.000 What that has taught me is that we have the greatest country, the most beautiful country, the most incredible people anywhere in the world.

02:13:24.000 But they're not going to be able to achieve their full dreams with the broken leadership that we have in Washington.

02:13:31.000 They're not going to be able to live their American dream if we do the same thing that we've been doing for the last three and a half years.

02:13:37.000 We need change.

02:13:38.000 We need a new direction.

02:13:40.000 We need a president who has already done this once before and did it well.

02:13:44.000 Please vote for Donald Trump.

02:13:45.000 And whether you vote for me or vote for Tim Walz, I just want to say I'm so proud to be doing this and I'm rooting for you.

02:13:51.000 God bless you and good night.

02:13:52.000 Center Vance, thank you.

02:13:55.000 And thank you both for participating in the only vice presidential debate of this election cycle.

02:14:00.000 I'm Margaret Brennan.

02:14:01.000 And I look like Alice Cooper.

02:14:03.000 There are just 35 days until election day.

02:14:07.000 Please get out and vote and for all of us here at CBS News.

02:14:10.000 Thank you.

02:14:11.000 What?

02:14:12.000 Is that us or them?

02:14:14.000 That's them.

02:14:15.000 Alright.

02:14:16.000 They hit a couple gaffes, didn't they?

02:14:18.000 Look at Tim Walz, he's like, gee whiz, you're good at this. 0.83

02:14:21.000 Like, crazy.

02:14:22.000 Like, where'd you go to school?

02:14:23.000 Oh my god, I thought there was, like, 10 of ya.

02:14:26.000 Oh, yeah.

02:14:27.000 You notice how he walks over to Walz, too?

02:14:30.000 There's like... I don't like that he died because he voted.

02:14:32.000 I was like, I thought that was the... There's your October surprises.

02:14:40.000 Oh my gosh, where'd you pick her up? 1.00

02:14:41.000 She makes my wife look like crap. 1.00

02:14:43.000 Not crazy, guys. 0.99

02:14:44.000 How you doing?

02:14:44.000 Oh, that skin complexion.

02:14:46.000 Whoa, hold on a second.

02:14:47.000 You can wear a dress?

02:14:48.000 Mitch, why'd you wear a pantsuit?

02:14:49.000 Shoulders, huh?

02:14:50.000 Okay.

02:14:51.000 Supposed to be the coach's wife. 0.98

02:14:53.000 You could put those cans out like you did in college working for Hooters.

02:14:56.000 See what I told you about that perfect olive skin?

02:14:59.000 She's getting the tan.

02:14:59.000 I told you.

02:15:00.000 You know what's going on.

02:15:01.000 It's just that Minnesota sun.

02:15:02.000 You have that seasonal affective disorder.

02:15:05.000 Is that why you won't blow me?

02:15:06.000 No.

02:15:09.000 No, Tim, it's because you have a boyfriend for that.

02:15:11.000 She said, thanks for the cover, but he's really good.

02:15:13.000 Yeah.

02:15:14.000 She's like, oh, I didn't expect him to get trounced like that.

02:15:17.000 Oh, man.

02:15:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:15:18.000 You can bring that in there.

02:15:20.000 Thank you, sir.

02:15:21.000 We have a fact check here.

02:15:22.000 So many.

02:15:23.000 Lance is such a loud guy.

02:15:24.000 I can hear you laughing a few times.

02:15:26.000 Six pages, huh?

02:15:27.000 Six pages.

02:15:27.000 I wasn't joking.

02:15:28.000 That's awesome.

02:15:28.000 Atta boy.

02:15:29.000 One thing I will say, and I want to go to CNN real quick.

02:15:31.000 Then we have Thomas Finnegan, our 7 plus 1.

02:15:34.000 What struck me here is not only did J.D.

02:15:36.000 Vance do really, but I would say this in full confidence, he'll do this every time.

02:15:41.000 It's sustainable.

02:15:43.000 What I mean by that is that J.D.

02:15:44.000 Vance has kind of cracked the code.

02:15:46.000 He cracked the code where they no longer have gotchas.

02:15:48.000 If they say, yeah, but you said this, we want to try and paint you as flip-flopping.

02:15:51.000 Now, unlike Kamala, he hasn't flip-flopped.

02:15:52.000 His persona and the way that he performs with Grace and I, Pops Crowder thinks that he wasn't aggressive enough.

02:15:58.000 You guys can comment and let me know if you think I understand his point.

02:16:01.000 He might change his mind tonight.

02:16:02.000 He might change his mind, but I'm telling you, he can self-correct and say, I was wrong about that, or this is what I've learned in the campaign trail.

02:16:07.000 He's done it really well, and he's basically learned how to take ownership and admit his faults or his missteps, and putting it on the American people in a positive way of, they've taught me.

02:16:18.000 You don't want people to say, I believe I've learned more from you as your teacher than you've learned from me.

02:16:22.000 Only he's saying it, but he's genuine.

02:16:24.000 He's what a populist actually should be.

02:16:27.000 So I expect him to do this every time.

02:16:30.000 It's not like someone had him go out some talking points and a really good performance one time.

02:16:35.000 He's going to always be able, as long as he still maintains the mental faculties, to take what's given to him and answer And respond in real time and box the person in.

02:16:45.000 And that works for people like me.

02:16:47.000 Like Kamala, because Kamala, same thing, she's been wrong.

02:16:50.000 She will never admit she's wrong.

02:16:51.000 She's gone back on policies.

02:16:53.000 She won't say, I changed my mind.

02:16:54.000 She won't say, I learned this.

02:16:55.000 Or this happened to change my mind.

02:16:56.000 She just goes, I've made, she just lies or avoids a question.

02:17:00.000 I appreciate someone who just directly to your face goes, yeah, I said that.

02:17:04.000 Right.

02:17:05.000 I was wrong.

02:17:05.000 I learned from it.

02:17:06.000 Right.

02:17:07.000 So did I. In the primaries, I definitely did.

02:17:08.000 Can we go to CNN and see what they're saying?

02:17:10.000 Because I would imagine they're panicking.

02:17:12.000 The lack of interviews that he has done with national media, with local media.

02:17:17.000 Talking about Walls, not Vance.

02:17:18.000 It showed.

02:17:18.000 He needed more reps.

02:17:20.000 No, I agree.

02:17:22.000 I mean, J.D.

02:17:23.000 Vance is much more experienced at this, at public speaking, at defending himself, at pivoting.

02:17:29.000 No, no, no.

02:17:29.000 He's not more experienced.

02:17:31.000 He simply did his job.

02:17:33.000 Walls' strategy was to make him inexperienced.

02:17:36.000 And you talked about the Obamacare one, as if Donald Trump actually had tried to save Obamacare.

02:17:39.000 And just to be clear, he eventually did address that part of it.

02:17:42.000 No, he did.

02:17:42.000 But it was after... It took a little winding up, and I think that an experienced debater immediately jumps on something like that, because that's a really critical point for a Democrat to make.

02:17:54.000 So one of the things that I wonder about... Doesn't matter who it is.

02:17:57.000 You could send anyone advance tonight.

02:17:59.000 Don't send anyone you want back.

02:18:00.000 What were Vance and Walz told in terms of what was their goal for the night?

02:18:04.000 Probably they were told that this is about supporting your running mate and going after the running mate on the other side, the presidential ticket, not the vice president.

02:18:14.000 You know what?

02:18:15.000 I will say this.

02:18:16.000 J.D.

02:18:16.000 Vance just fundamentally changed the importance of a vice presidential debate.

02:18:20.000 That's what I think actually happened tonight.

02:18:22.000 You know they talked about lack of experience in public speaking. 0.99

02:18:30.000 I think that's horse crap. 0.96

02:18:32.000 Because the dude was a first sergeant slash wanted to call himself a sergeant major, acting sergeant major. 0.99

02:18:36.000 You have to talk to hundreds and thousands of people at times.

02:18:38.000 Not to mention he was a teacher, he was a coach.

02:18:40.000 You give pep speeches, you give lessons, you give lectures.

02:18:43.000 He's been public speaking for 45 years.

02:18:46.000 Right.

02:18:47.000 That's older than J.D.

02:18:48.000 Vance even has lived.

02:18:49.000 Not to mention all the horses.

02:18:51.000 Yeah, well, that's a 1%.

02:18:55.000 Don't spoil it.

02:18:56.000 My Italian stand.

02:19:00.000 To hear J.D.

02:19:01.000 Vance talk about that issue tonight, he expressed consternation with the Republican Party for not reaching out more, not talking to more people, wanting to provide more options for women.

02:19:15.000 And yes, absolutely, Tim Walz did not go after him on that.

02:19:21.000 That's part of the point, is that you're actually explaining exactly what I think was missing on the debate stage.

02:19:27.000 JD Vance has a record on abortion, and you didn't really hear about that from Tim Walz.

02:19:33.000 He didn't do it three times.

02:19:34.000 It doesn't have to be lengthy, but you just didn't hear it.

02:19:36.000 And secondly, JD Vance's job tonight was to launder Trumpism Oh, come on!

02:19:44.000 No.

02:19:44.000 Come on!

02:19:45.000 Speaking of laundering, how's that Ukraine bill?

02:19:48.000 He was able to do that without getting a whole lot of pushback from Tim Walz on the stage.

02:19:56.000 And maybe they're talking to different segments of that undecided pool, but Vance...

02:20:02.000 No, Vance was talking to all of them tonight, sweetheart.

02:20:05.000 Do what he came to do, which is to take Trumpism...

02:20:07.000 She's mad because he was talking to her.

02:20:09.000 when I said rehab. I don't necessarily think at the end of the day though that what we

02:20:14.000 saw is going to make a big difference at the top of the ticket.

02:20:18.000 Sure.

02:20:19.000 Here's the thing, you don't need to make a big difference because I'm going to bring

02:20:21.000 this up for you guys really quick. The recent polling, okay, recent polling.

02:20:24.000 These are the most recent polls, to be clear.

02:20:27.000 Trump is ahead in all of them, for all those doomsdayers out there who say, don't vote, it's rigged anyway.

02:20:31.000 These are only states that have had polls since October 1st.

02:20:35.000 Okay?

02:20:36.000 North Carolina, Quinnipiac, Trump plus one.

02:20:39.000 Washington Post, Trump up two.

02:20:41.000 Emerson, Trump up one. 0.96

02:20:42.000 Insider Advantage, Trump up one.

02:20:43.000 That means the most recent four polls in North Carolina has Trump up within the margin of error.

02:20:47.000 Georgia, Quinnipiac, plus five for Trump.

02:20:50.000 Insider Advantage has it as a tie.

02:20:52.000 Pennsylvania, Emerson has it as a tie.

02:20:53.000 Trafalgar has it as Trump plus three.

02:20:56.000 That's outside the margin of error.

02:20:57.000 Arizona, Emerson has Trump plus three.

02:20:59.000 Insider Advantage, Trump plus one.

02:21:02.000 These are the only states, swing states, that have polling available here basically within the last 24 to 48 hours.

02:21:09.000 So this could be enough.

02:21:11.000 And here's also why, because these are the only two people who the American population at large have not seen.

02:21:18.000 So they're tuning in to say, maybe you guys can fill in the gaps.

02:21:20.000 I think that's what the VP debate is going to become going forward.

02:21:24.000 It used to just be, okay, let's see who's better on their feet.

02:21:27.000 Let's see if they made a mistake.

02:21:29.000 That's really, really a VP debate could only hurt you.

02:21:31.000 Let's see if McCain made a mistake with Palin, right?

02:21:34.000 Let's see if Mike Pence is a mistake.

02:21:35.000 In this case, I think going forward, the VP debate, especially when it's a close race, is going to be seen as the event that fills in the gaps.

02:21:44.000 And JD Vance, I think, changed that quite a bit.

02:21:45.000 You guys can comment what you think.

02:21:47.000 I'd also like to see if Mission Control has any other meltdowns.

02:21:50.000 Because I can't imagine that any reaction from the left has been positive at all tonight.

02:21:55.000 What are you guys laughing about?

02:21:56.000 So Donald Trump just tweeted this out.

02:22:02.000 Not friends with school shooters.

02:22:04.000 Not friends with school shooters!

02:22:07.000 Right?

02:22:08.000 We heard that, right?

02:22:09.000 I became friends with school shooters. 1.00

02:22:11.000 Oh shit! 1.00

02:22:12.000 I think it was one of his gaffes where he meant to say like victims or something but still that was a weird thing to say. 1.00

02:22:17.000 No, I didn't say that.

02:22:17.000 I said I'm friends with school shooters.

02:22:18.000 I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. 1.00

02:22:20.000 Fuck me, I made a mistake. 1.00

02:22:21.000 I made a bad. 1.00

02:22:22.000 Let's see CNN panel right now.

02:22:23.000 I'm sorry, our shirt on our merch site, Trump Vans 24, you see the sign he put up?

02:22:26.000 I was like, is that our lawn sign that we put up?

02:22:28.000 Because we have the shirts on CrowderShop.com right now.

02:22:31.000 Thank you Donald Trump for the plug, I think?

02:22:33.000 Let's see CNN panel right now, Anderson Cooper is soiling his panties.

02:22:37.000 Yes, I think that is one, that is absolutely true and I thought his first answer on the

02:22:44.000 situation in the Middle East was probably one of his weakest answers.

02:22:49.000 He closed strong, without a question, and on those questions of abortion, the Affordable Care Act, and of course the end on democracy, I think he did very, very well.

02:23:01.000 People are shooting the numbers from thousands across the way.

02:23:07.000 Pretty surprisingly to me, he basically said it was more of a draw.

02:23:12.000 One thing should be noted, as long as the degree to which we discussed before the debate, there are two J.D.

02:23:19.000 Vance's.

02:23:19.000 Yeah, that's also a draw.

02:23:21.000 That's also how Tim Walls referred to Tiananmen Square.

02:23:25.000 I don't know.

02:23:26.000 I call it a draw.

02:23:27.000 They had tanks, you had, you know, nothing.

02:23:31.000 So it's a wash.

02:23:33.000 He had a mission, and that mission was to be what Donald Trump isn't, which is to be, to sound reasonable, to be courteous to the opponent, to acknowledge that there may have been some reasonableness in the opponent's argument, but I have some other differences.

02:23:50.000 I mean, it was really... I will say, I think Van Jones is going to be objective here.

02:23:54.000 I think he's going to have to admit that Vance cleaned Tim Walz's clock.

02:23:58.000 I'm very curious to see what Kryan Van Jones says.

02:24:00.000 I think it comes naturally to Walz.

02:24:02.000 I think someone texted me and said, I wonder how many people in the country said, gee I wish these could be the two candidates because they were people who seemed to be having a reasonable discussion.

02:24:14.000 Bottom line on this, I don't think it changes the Yeah.

02:24:17.000 I think you're in for a rude awakening.

02:24:19.000 I think you're in for a rude awakening.

02:24:21.000 I was struck by the fact that J.D. Vance is a significantly more eloquent Donald Trump.

02:24:25.000 Watching that, I don't agree with J.D. Vance on quite a bit, but he speaks to MAGA in a way that he comes off as an

02:24:30.000 incredible effective communicator.

02:24:31.000 He speaks to the country in a way.

02:24:32.000 Wait, hold on, Teen Mom's talking. 1.00

02:24:34.000 I honestly was surprised that Donald Trump doesn't want to debate again because J.D. Vance is a more eloquent communicator.

02:24:36.000 Vance did so well and he's going to want the final, kind of, you know, the closing argument.

02:24:40.000 But listen, J.D.

02:24:42.000 Vance is a chameleon.

02:24:43.000 There's multiple sides to him.

02:24:45.000 It's one of his greatest political strengths.

02:24:47.000 He showed up with it because he's wrong.

02:24:49.000 This is the big mistake that Donald Trump has made.

02:24:50.000 The fact that she was ever, even within striking distance, of the Trump cabinet whatsoever is embarrassing.

02:24:55.000 There's nothing about her that is conservative or Republican. 0.63

02:24:58.000 I mean, the only person less Republican who claims to have been one is Anna Navarro from her fat suit. 0.53

02:25:03.000 Well, like Trump says, he fires people.

02:25:04.000 It's true.

02:25:05.000 I don't know that this moves the needle, but I do think it solidifies his place as the MAGA-era parent after Trump.

02:25:10.000 Yeah, you know a lot about needles from your forehead.

02:25:12.000 I think what you saw tonight was the kitchen table versus the Ivy League.

02:25:15.000 I went to the same law school as J.D.

02:25:18.000 Vance, and that's how they teach us to do it.

02:25:20.000 Slick, slick, slick.

02:25:21.000 The problem is, J.D.

02:25:23.000 Vance changes personalities like most people change suits.

02:25:26.000 And his job was to come out tonight and try to sane-wash the crazy. 0.98

02:25:31.000 Sane-wash all the crazy stuff he said against women, against Haitians. 0.99

02:25:35.000 Sane-wash Donald Trump. 0.92

02:25:36.000 And he would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for the pesky facts. 0.53

02:25:40.000 He lied.

02:25:41.000 What?

02:25:43.000 By the way, most people only have one to two suits.

02:25:45.000 January 20th is what he said.

02:25:45.000 We did.

02:25:46.000 Alright, while we're talking about lies, it's time- Hold on, you were wrong!

02:25:49.000 I want to talk about that when you're done.

02:25:49.000 You were wrong!

02:25:49.000 J.D.

02:25:52.000 He lied about the insurrections.

02:25:53.000 He said we had a peaceful transfer of power.

02:25:56.000 We did.

02:25:57.000 January 20th is what he said.

02:25:58.000 He lied.

02:25:59.000 He said he never supported the National Portion Ban. 0.96

02:26:00.000 He is, Donald Trump is a gaslighter.

02:26:01.000 Alright, while we're talking about lies, it's time- Hold on, you were wrong. 0.96

02:26:04.000 You were wrong.

02:26:05.000 J.D. Vance, Van Jones, sorry, did not in any way, shape, or form acknowledge and be fair

02:26:12.000 Well, he's saying that JD Vance won, but it's because he lied.

02:26:14.000 Yeah, but you said he was gonna- I said I thought he might be objective because usually- He's not objective.

02:26:18.000 No, he's not.

02:26:19.000 No.

02:26:19.000 He's not.

02:26:21.000 Sorry, you were wrong.

02:26:22.000 I was wrong?

02:26:24.000 Bring it up.

02:26:28.000 Hey, get that out of here, man! 0.75

02:26:30.000 I don't want it.

02:26:31.000 Yeah, you really don't expect them to actually fall on camera.

02:26:34.000 I had to give the old one.

02:26:35.000 He had a command of the facts.

02:26:36.000 He wasn't flustered.

02:26:37.000 He was a guy you'd want to have a beer with.

02:26:39.000 Okay?

02:26:40.000 Tim Walz.

02:26:41.000 A guy you'd want to have cow's milk with.

02:26:42.000 Fumbled bigly on Tiananmen Square.

02:26:45.000 Other mammalian milk.

02:26:46.000 I mean, he was talking about riding a bike in Nebraska and the summers and he went on and on and on.

02:26:50.000 And he should have just said, look, I misspoke.

02:26:52.000 Careful.

02:26:53.000 Many people choose to summer in Nebraska.

02:26:55.000 He lied about that.

02:26:57.000 People reminded him of his lies about his time in uniform.

02:27:01.000 So that was bad.

02:27:04.000 The other thing I was struck by, no question on Ukraine.

02:27:07.000 One of the biggest issues facing our country and the globe.

02:27:10.000 I agree with that.

02:27:10.000 They should have asked about that at least.

02:27:12.000 Well, they technically did when they asked about the border bill.

02:27:14.000 I mean, it was like four times the amount of money to Ukraine than the border, so I don't know.

02:27:21.000 You call it border bill when it's like, you know, $14 billion.

02:27:25.000 I call it Ukraine bill when it's $60 to $70 billion, but that's me, Mr. Math.

02:27:30.000 So let's go to, they're saying that JD Van's live.

02:27:33.000 Let's go to our live fact-checking.

02:27:34.000 I don't think we have a stinger.

02:27:35.000 Do we?

02:27:35.000 Do we have a fact-check stinger?

02:27:37.000 We have something.

02:27:38.000 I can find one.

02:27:39.000 Alright.

02:27:39.000 We have six pages of fact-checking and of course while he finds that by the way and they're still finishing up the

02:27:45.000 fact-check Let's you know what really quickly

02:27:48.000 Because he's there actually down at the debate tonight really quickly before we get to the fact check. Let's go to

02:27:53.000 our on-the-ground correspondent Thomas Finnegan

02:27:57.000 All right, thank you, we paid a lot of money It's debate night in New York.

02:28:09.000 What do you have for us?

02:28:10.000 Hi, Steven.

02:28:11.000 Yeah, so you're in New York, debate night.

02:28:13.000 Are you in a subway?

02:28:16.000 Is that where you... No, I stopped there for dinner, but now I'm in the Underground Railroad.

02:28:20.000 No, no, that's not what it's called.

02:28:22.000 So you missed the debate.

02:28:25.000 No, I was there.

02:28:26.000 It was actually very interesting to see in person.

02:28:28.000 Yeah, and you didn't stick around for the interview, of course.

02:28:32.000 Thanks.

02:28:33.000 Hey, do you want me to bring you a tuna sandwich?

02:28:35.000 Yeah, actually I do.

02:28:35.000 I'm pretty hungry.

02:28:36.000 But first, your shot's a little close.

02:28:38.000 Can you move back a little bit, Finnegan?

02:28:42.000 Yeah, almost there.

02:28:43.000 Just a little more.

02:28:46.000 Yep, getting closer.

02:28:47.000 Just one more step.

02:28:49.000 One more step.

02:28:51.000 Tim, you know the drill.

02:28:52.000 Yeah.

02:28:53.000 Alright, he'll be okay. 0.99

02:29:03.000 I don't give a shit. 0.97

02:29:04.000 Before we go to the live fact-checking here, I just want to tell you guys something. 0.98

02:29:10.000 This is an example.

02:29:11.000 Tonight, look, there can be no doubt, this was very one-sided, okay?

02:29:14.000 And I feel like we've done a pretty good job.

02:29:16.000 Remember last time when the debates took place?

02:29:18.000 Second debate, I was not happy with Donald Trump.

02:29:20.000 I thought, man, he sort of snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

02:29:23.000 The debate with Kamala Harris, the second go-around?

02:29:26.000 I thought it was pretty even, but I thought that Donald Trump gave the media enough to claim that Kamala Harris won.

02:29:31.000 We saw that bump for a little bit.

02:29:32.000 We saw the polymarkets change.

02:29:34.000 Then we saw them start shifting back.

02:29:36.000 And sometimes you guys get mad with me.

02:29:39.000 But I try and be objective, and all of us do here, so that on a night like tonight, hopefully you can trust us, there is no doubt.

02:29:45.000 It wasn't even close, and that's very, very hard to do when you are the heavy favorite.

02:29:50.000 According to Walls, Harris, and the media themselves, they knew that Vance was going to be a formidable opponent.

02:29:55.000 If you go into a fight as a 20-to-1 favorite, it's really hard to overperform.

02:30:03.000 Right?

02:30:03.000 Even if you win it, definitively, you have to win it in a way that is, frankly, historic.

02:30:09.000 Otherwise, it'll be seen as a wash.

02:30:11.000 And he did that tonight.

02:30:13.000 He did that and more tonight.

02:30:15.000 So, objectively, I don't even think that it was close.

02:30:18.000 But the fact that the media is trying to spin this at all and just say, oh, well, Vance lied, that tells you what they're up to.

02:30:24.000 I've told you this.

02:30:24.000 They're going to lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, then cheat.

02:30:28.000 Lie, lie, lie, lie about Donald Trump, Kamala Harris, then cheat.

02:30:30.000 Have the moderators gang up on Donald Trump at that debate.

02:30:33.000 Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. 0.59

02:30:34.000 Cheat tonight by trying to have them gang up on J.D.

02:30:36.000 Vance.

02:30:36.000 He was prepared for it.

02:30:37.000 He was disciplined.

02:30:38.000 It didn't work.

02:30:38.000 They're going to continue lying, lying, lying, lying, lying, lying, lying up until the election and cheat.

02:30:44.000 I guarantee you, just one second, let me go with this.

02:30:48.000 Election night, that's why we have these fail-safes, that's why we have the infrastructure in place, the election livestream of the century, the rumble on rumble.

02:30:54.000 We fully anticipate being removed from YouTube like we were in the midterms because we had the biggest livestream in 2020 before that.

02:31:00.000 We will only be here if you choose for us to be here.

02:31:03.000 These events that take place, like tonight, expect them to continue.

02:31:07.000 Taking place up until the election, maybe not nationally televised, and that night of the election, they want to gaslight you, they want to erase it, they want to whitewash it, they want to memory hole it.

02:31:16.000 Don't expect the media to talk about this for a whole lot of time, just like, remember how quickly they forgot about Kamala Harris' one interview with Dana Bash?

02:31:25.000 It didn't go well.

02:31:26.000 You will know how this performance went tonight by the media's coverage of this debate.

02:31:32.000 They will not be covering it, I guarantee you, at least in comparison to how they cover other debates within 24 hours.

02:31:40.000 That's why we need your support.

02:31:41.000 We are going to be here on election night, no matter how long it takes.

02:31:44.000 We have the live electoral integrity map.

02:31:46.000 We're going to have that for you, where you can actually go and see us not only help call states, but also dispute states.

02:31:51.000 No more Arizona called with 0.0001% of the vote, and that's hyperbole.

02:31:54.000 Don't fact check me on it, but you understand the point.

02:31:56.000 All major swing states, all major cities in those states, we're going to have on-the-ground undercover journalists, we're going to have on-the-ground correspondents, as well as you, a volunteer army, and you'll be able to click that map and see any shenanigans that take place.

02:32:09.000 We're going to have real-time data, we're going to have cross-streams with every major stream that exists online that you want to see.

02:32:14.000 There's no reason to tune in anywhere else.

02:32:16.000 We have everything the legacy media has and everything that you don't.

02:32:21.000 Expect to see from them.

02:32:22.000 All of that and more because we know.

02:32:24.000 I'm telling you this.

02:32:25.000 Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, cheat.

02:32:28.000 Everyone knows it.

02:32:29.000 Be ready for it.

02:32:30.000 And that's what they're doing tonight.

02:32:31.000 They're going to cheat and say that J.D.

02:32:32.000 Vance just lied.

02:32:33.000 Well, because of that, you know what?

02:32:35.000 We got something for you.

02:32:36.000 Let's go to a live fact check of the entire night.

02:32:40.000 Tweet.

02:32:40.000 Check.

02:32:41.000 Trump.

02:32:41.000 Fact.

02:32:41.000 Trump.

02:32:42.000 Fact.

02:32:42.000 Check.

02:32:43.000 Check.

02:32:43.000 Tweet.

02:32:43.000 Fact.

02:32:45.000 News!

02:32:47.000 It's always fun.

02:32:49.000 All right, Gerald, you and I can both take some of this.

02:32:51.000 Okay.

02:32:52.000 They were talking about electric vehicles in Minnesota, saying that, hey, yeah, you know, that actually brings jobs here to the United States.

02:32:57.000 I don't know if you know this.

02:32:57.000 We brought this up earlier.

02:32:59.000 BYD is the largest electric vehicle manufacturer by a landslide.

02:33:03.000 And, of course, it is a Chinese company, not to mention the batteries and the raw materials.

02:33:06.000 The mining is dirty.

02:33:07.000 And by the way, they're talking about a hurricane at the time, and he went to EVs.

02:33:09.000 Yes, he went to EVs.

02:33:10.000 Well, that's how you fix hurricanes. 0.66

02:33:11.000 They were talking about climate change technically, but still, it was focused on hurricane Alene.

02:33:16.000 Do you want to know how you know I believe this?

02:33:17.000 You can go back to 2011 where I went to the Cancun Climate Summit in Mexico and heard Ted Turner support China's one-child policy.

02:33:25.000 Climate change policy is anti-human.

02:33:27.000 When people are dying from a natural disaster and you start talking about electric vehicles from a company who has no respect for international emission standards, you are anti-human.

02:33:36.000 You are anti-people.

02:33:37.000 We like to act as though, oh, people are beholden to lobbyists, as though that doesn't happen.

02:33:41.000 With the green energy movement, and it certainly couldn't happen with foreign companies who have a vested interest in our electric vehicle policies here.

02:33:50.000 You know the one person who they've actually forced out of their far far left deep blue state?

02:33:56.000 Tesla.

02:33:57.000 Probably the most American auto manufacturer out there right now.

02:33:59.000 It's arguable, I think Toyota has more.

02:34:03.000 But Tesla had to leave California for Texas.

02:34:07.000 That should tell you what you need to know as far as electric vehicle policy as a matter of energy.

02:34:12.000 Let's go to a claim that they made tonight.

02:34:14.000 And all references are available, link in the description, or you can go to LightOffCredit.com as we do with every single show.

02:34:18.000 We appreciate Mission Control getting all this to us in record time.

02:34:21.000 The claim that Trump tried to bribe oil executives at Mar-a-Lago.

02:34:25.000 He actually told them that if they helped him get elected, they would see their profits increase.

02:34:32.000 As opposed to green vehicle manufacturers, or by the way, Wall Street, who helped Barack Obama get elected, or all of media who donate overwhelmingly to the Democratic campaign.

02:34:40.000 He basically said, hey, look, you'll probably see your profits go up if I'm elected, because I won't actually slash American energy production, because I made us a net energy exporter for the first time in decades, and Kamala Harris has harmed.

02:34:51.000 So, I don't know if you know this, but if the oil executives actually do better, meaning they're able to find more natural resources, I don't know if you know this, but historically, your gas prices go down.

02:35:02.000 And I'm no fan of oil executives.

02:35:03.000 Here's another claim that they made, uh, that it wasn't true, or at least I guess they were trying to say that, uh, that, uh, what he said wasn't true as far as child sex trafficking and drug mules.

02:35:12.000 There were no drug mules.

02:35:13.000 Yeah.

02:35:14.000 Well, under Kamal's watch, 320,000 migrant children have been lost in the United States.

02:35:19.000 Yeah.

02:35:21.000 I know that's not a big number to you guys, but 320,000, by the way, those 320,000, that would be zero.

02:35:27.000 If our borders were secured and closed, are you seeing that it's not compassionate to keep open borders?

02:35:34.000 If you need a reason to argue that open borders is not actually compassionate, I just gave you $320,000.

02:35:45.000 It is happening.

02:35:46.000 The mules do exist.

02:35:46.000 They are happening.

02:35:47.000 You can look at there's, I don't know what they call them, police, they call them spot, spotter reports, I'm getting the wrong word, but there's a report.

02:35:55.000 They have reports that come out every month.

02:35:56.000 U.S.

02:35:56.000 Customs and Border Protection about the things that are coming into the country.

02:35:59.000 My daddy's worked for Customs.

02:36:00.000 He would tell me freaking horror stories about babies coming over in planes, people reporting it, that they went over the Atlantic Ocean and the baby made no noises and the reason was because it was filled with opium or the baby was coming across The Mexican border is filled with cocaine.

02:36:12.000 It happens all the time and there are reports to back it up.

02:36:15.000 The only problem is they don't have enough time to... Well, we don't have the exact numbers because people don't answer.

02:36:19.000 Like, yeah, that's my drug, that's my mule for drugs.

02:36:22.000 That's what I see.

02:36:23.000 She's carrying fentanyl.

02:36:24.000 They don't answer that question to you.

02:36:26.000 But we know 18 million crossings that we know about under Kamala Harris and Biden compared to three million under Donald Trump.

02:36:32.000 Hey, by the way, it's the election denier Amy Klobuchar on CNN.

02:36:36.000 Wonder if they'll ask her about that.

02:36:38.000 We go back to Springfield, Ohio.

02:36:41.000 They were trying to say that it was a hoax.

02:36:43.000 Let me make this really clear, too.

02:36:45.000 They were the ones who kept trying to make this an issue.

02:36:48.000 And then when Vance and Trump addressed it, right, they go, why do you keep talking about this?

02:36:53.000 Tonight they try to bring up the Springfield, Ohio thing as though it was so absurd that Haitian migrants, 20,000 in a city of 50,000 people, I believe, could possibly be eating ducks in the park.

02:37:02.000 Or that, I don't know if you know this, there were 911 calls of local animals in parks and domestic animals going missing.

02:37:08.000 But, you know, that's neither here nor there.

02:37:10.000 One thing that is not in debate is the bomb threats that, of course, Kamala Harris, And Walls themselves have gone on and said, your rhetoric has resulted in bomb threats, which he tried to bring up tonight.

02:37:21.000 The Ohio governor said 33 threats, 33 hoaxes.

02:37:25.000 I want to make that very, very clear.

02:37:27.000 None of these had any validity at all.

02:37:31.000 They brought up the border bill, trying to say, we had the most comprehensive border bill ever.

02:37:34.000 Donald Trump was the one who killed it.

02:37:35.000 In case you've forgotten, that $118 billion border bill, Ukraine got $60 billion, Israel $14 billion.

02:37:42.000 And less than $15 billion for the border.

02:37:46.000 I believe it was $10 billion.

02:37:48.000 None for the wall.

02:37:49.000 None for the wall.

02:37:50.000 It was like, if we have any money left over at the end of this thing, then we're going to do it.

02:37:53.000 And also normalizing $4,999 illegals per day getting into the country.

02:37:56.000 $5,000 is where we draw the line though.

02:38:01.000 And that money went to expediting asylum claims that weren't real or expediting citizenship

02:38:07.000 that was qualified.

02:38:08.000 Or protecting them like Haitians in Waco, Ohio. 1.00

02:38:10.000 You mean that the federal government can reduce the time that somebody has to file a claim

02:38:14.000 from 7 years to get processed to 90 days by adding 1500 people?

02:38:19.000 No.

02:38:19.000 And that's where they come up with it.

02:38:22.000 The Border Patrol supports this.

02:38:24.000 No, no, no.

02:38:24.000 They don't support the bill.

02:38:25.000 What they supported was getting more employees.

02:38:28.000 That's the only thing.

02:38:29.000 They didn't support your policies.

02:38:30.000 They didn't support the bill.

02:38:31.000 Yeah.

02:38:32.000 They supported having more manpower.

02:38:34.000 Here's another claim that they made.

02:38:35.000 And again, all references available at lateralcutter.com as we do every single show.

02:38:38.000 If you don't watch weekday mornings at 10 a.m.

02:38:40.000 Eastern, what are you doing with your life? 1.00

02:38:42.000 You're gay. 1.00

02:38:43.000 The claim that Kamala created 800,000 new manufacturing jobs, and I believe that we actually have a clip of this. 0.98

02:38:48.000 It's clip manufacturer Kamala.

02:38:51.000 This claim was made tonight.

02:38:53.000 Do you have that tool, man?

02:38:55.000 If you don't have it, then maybe Noodles has it.

02:38:58.000 But I have it here in my breakdown.

02:38:59.000 Clip manufacturer Kamala.

02:39:01.000 The claim that they made that Kamala Harris created 800,000 new manufacturing jobs.

02:39:06.000 Foreshadowing here, it's not true.

02:39:09.000 But I'd like you to see them make it.

02:39:11.000 I don't have that clip.

02:39:11.000 All right, well then.

02:39:13.000 The truth is, they created 800,000 manufacturing jobs.

02:39:17.000 You remember it, right?

02:39:17.000 No.

02:39:19.000 You got it, yeah.

02:39:21.000 No.

02:39:22.000 Harris created 173,000 new manufacturing jobs.

02:39:26.000 592,000 were manufacturing jobs, by the way, that were just returning from COVID that happened under Donald Trump.

02:39:33.000 Or sorry, 414,000 of them happened under Donald Trump.

02:39:36.000 173,000 happened under Kamala Harris.

02:39:38.000 Again, they try and tweak these numbers because there were three years of Donald Trump.

02:39:42.000 Then there was COVID, which if you want to know how COVID actually goes down, look to Minnesota.

02:39:49.000 And look how much worse off.

02:39:50.000 Look to California.

02:39:51.000 Yeah.

02:39:52.000 Look to Michigan.

02:39:52.000 Don't look to Texas and Florida.

02:39:54.000 And Minnesota is a great example.

02:39:54.000 Look to those states.

02:39:56.000 You were locked down and you were paintballed if you left your house while rioters and looters were given space to destroy.

02:40:01.000 So they always try and tweak those numbers and use that last year, which, by the way, was self-induced by the Democrat Party.

02:40:06.000 173 of the 592 returned under Kamala Harris compared to- No, 173 of their total, 592 returned just from COVID.

02:40:14.000 I don't know what I'm saying, it's 592 returned from COVID, but only 173 of those returned under Kamala Harris, as opposed to 414,000 returned under Donald Trump.

02:40:21.000 I'm sorry, is Tim Walls currently buying pizza to cry into?

02:40:25.000 Maybe.

02:40:25.000 On CNN?

02:40:26.000 What the hell is happening?

02:40:27.000 Let me get a nice New York slice.

02:40:28.000 We'll check cryingwhileeating.com later.

02:40:31.000 Gerald, get the next one, the trade deficit one.

02:40:33.000 Let's rapid fire.

02:40:34.000 Under Donald Trump, created $418 billion in 2018.

02:40:35.000 Trump started the trade war in Q3 of 2018.

02:40:36.000 in 2018, Trump started the trade war in Q3 of 2018. By the next year, deficit reduced

02:40:40.000 to 22.2% with China. Key fact, they hate tariffs, they're demonizing tariffs. Biden, Harris,

02:40:47.000 they have not removed any Trump tariffs on China at all.

02:40:49.000 The insulin one I know is one of your favorites.

02:40:52.000 Insulin one, Donald Trump was the one who put a $35 cap in Part D, 2020, and then the Biden Inflation Reduction Act, they tried to expand it, claim credit for it, but before the Biden Inflation Reduction Act, which included their component of insulin, it was already down to $33 average.

02:41:09.000 So it was already well below 35 because of the initiative from Donald Trump.

02:41:12.000 They just said, put my name on there and take credit for it.

02:41:14.000 And they talk about the insulin thing so much, but J.D.

02:41:16.000 Vance pointed out tonight that no one wanted to fact check that he said that 7% lower was prescription drugs.

02:41:21.000 7% lower than it is.

02:41:22.000 7% higher, yeah.

02:41:23.000 7% higher now with Biden-Harris, even though insulin is the only thing they want to talk about.

02:41:27.000 And one thing that he did not want to talk about tonight was abortions at whatever point.

02:41:31.000 That's a big one.

02:41:32.000 Nine states plus D.C., including Minnesota, do not have any gestational time period bans on abortion.

02:41:39.000 And Vance brought up a really good point.

02:41:41.000 Hammered it, hammered it, hammered it.

02:41:43.000 Basically saying a bill would allow them to let a baby that's born alive, botched abortion, die.

02:41:48.000 The bill strips out Minnesota's existing requirement that reasonable measures be taken to preserve the life and health of born alive infants, replacing it with a requirement for care, which the bill's author, Representative Tina Liebling, has described as mere comfort care.

02:41:48.000 I'll read.

02:42:02.000 Under the new language, an infant could be denied life-saving care and allowed to die.

02:42:07.000 Walls never answered that question.

02:42:08.000 He said that's not what it does.

02:42:10.000 Well, they want to focus on Donald Trump saying he might sign an abortion ban.

02:42:14.000 Again, Donald Trump has already answered that at least half a dozen times.

02:42:18.000 We've covered it directly, but he also posted directly on X. And was that tonight?

02:42:23.000 Tonight, this is new.

02:42:24.000 He said, okay, so this is new.

02:42:25.000 So Donald Trump reiterated it.

02:42:26.000 So if you want to say that Donald Trump is lying, okay, fine.

02:42:28.000 There's nothing to indicate.

02:42:29.000 On the flip side of the coin, that he would sign a federal abortion ban because he's said many, many times, no.

02:42:35.000 He wrote, everyone knows I would not support a federal abortion ban under any circumstances and would in fact veto it because it is up to the states to decide based on the will of their voters, the will of the people!

02:42:47.000 The people.

02:42:47.000 Exclamation mark.

02:42:48.000 Like Ronald Reagan before me, I fully support the three.

02:42:51.000 And I believe he went on to say exceptions, which by the way, I don't necessarily agree with him.

02:42:56.000 But that certainly is more in line with the view of the American public than all the way up until

02:43:01.000 including an afterbirth period which is the policy of Tim Walz's state. So good that he has a state

02:43:07.000 of which he was governor so we can actually look and see what his record is compared to what he

02:43:11.000 says. He pointed to it so many times. Gun violence. This is actually fact-checking the moderators

02:43:16.000 because they said that gun violence is the number one killer. They used to say of children. You can 0.99

02:43:19.000 find those clips of Biden, of Kamala Harris saying children.

02:43:21.000 Now they say children and teens. It's still not quite right because they include up to 19. We

02:43:26.000 actually found in Great Pool by Research up to 17 and younger motor vehicle deaths are still number

02:43:32.000 one. That means teen years 13, 14, 15, 16, 17. Yep. It's only when you go to 18 and 19 gangbangers

02:43:37.000 that it even changes a little.

02:43:39.000 And this is why the press is the enemy of the people. Look.

02:43:42.000 Let's assume that you are an alien.

02:43:43.000 Okay, just for a second.

02:43:44.000 Let's assume that you are an alien and you're landing on Earth.

02:43:46.000 Okay?

02:43:46.000 And you have little alien babies.

02:43:48.000 And by babies, in this case, I'll even include ages 1 to 14.

02:43:51.000 All right?

02:43:52.000 I'm leading you along the primrose path here because I'm going to give you a stat.

02:43:54.000 But you're an alien and you're going, oh my god, this planet Earth is cruel and uncompassionate, dispassionate, whatever word you Earthlings use. 0.90

02:44:05.000 I have youngins.

02:44:06.000 They are barely able to fend for themselves.

02:44:09.000 They're only 13.

02:44:09.000 Right, because it's 1 to 14 years old?

02:44:12.000 What do I do to keep them safe?

02:44:12.000 Yeah.

02:44:14.000 What is the number one threat?

02:44:16.000 Click.

02:44:17.000 Gun violence.

02:44:17.000 CNN.

02:44:18.000 MSNBC.

02:44:20.000 Gun violence.

02:44:21.000 ABC.

02:44:22.000 Gun violence.

02:44:22.000 CBS.

02:44:23.000 So if you're an alien and you're landing, you're trying to figure out how to best protect your children, right?

02:44:26.000 You're trying to identify the most imminent threats.

02:44:29.000 Just like if you're in a tribe in the plains of Africa. 0.78

02:44:32.000 And you're saying, hey, what do I need to be most concerned about?

02:44:34.000 Is it elephants?

02:44:35.000 Is it hippopotamuses? 0.99

02:44:36.000 No, the answer is your corrupt government. 0.95

02:44:36.000 Is it crocodiles? 0.95

02:44:38.000 Right?

02:44:39.000 That would be the answer.

02:44:40.000 Of course, that's a hypothetical scenario.

02:44:41.000 You're an alien landing on Earth.

02:44:42.000 How do I defend my children?

02:44:44.000 Those aliens' children, their children would die because they wouldn't be looking at the actual top threats. 0.52

02:44:48.000 It's not even close.

02:44:49.000 Ages 1 to 14.

02:44:50.000 Disease, number one.

02:44:52.000 Traffic accidents, number two.

02:44:54.000 Three, cancer.

02:44:55.000 Four, congenital issues.

02:44:57.000 Gun violence isn't even in the top Five.

02:45:00.000 Let alone if you go ages 1 through 6, ages 1 through 10.

02:45:03.000 That's ages 1 through 14.

02:45:05.000 The entire stat is skewed by gangbangers who can be tried as adults.

02:45:09.000 And by the way, if you just take out inner cities, it still wouldn't even register on the radar.

02:45:13.000 That's why the press is the enemy of the people.

02:45:15.000 Their only job is to equip you with information so that you can make informed decisions to better the lives of your family and your community.

02:45:23.000 Otherwise, the media serves no purpose.

02:45:25.000 When they lie to you and say the biggest threat you are facing is gun violence, they are making you definitively less safe.

02:45:32.000 And it's even worse than that, because they're making you definitively less safe through stoking fear in a tool that if you're a woman, or if you're infirm, would make you definitively more safe.

02:45:44.000 At least 2 million defensive uses of firearms every single year.

02:45:46.000 The low end is 500,000 a year.

02:45:48.000 The high end is 3 million.

02:45:50.000 So you're concerned about this death as opposed to traffic accidents, as opposed to congenital issues, as opposed to cancer, as opposed to accidents in the house, as opposed to the swimming pool, for God's sake.

02:46:03.000 And so you forego a gun, which would, if simply handled responsibly, meaning you have young kids who don't understand how a gun works, you put it in a lockbox, you put it in a safe, would allow you to protect your family.

02:46:15.000 The press is actually harming you on an active level.

02:46:20.000 And they're enlisting the help of the Democrat Party because they've already decided what their agenda is.

02:46:25.000 Nobody on your side will tell you that you don't need a gun.

02:46:28.000 Nobody on your side will say that.

02:46:30.000 No, absolutely not.

02:46:30.000 And you know what, let's run this clip because they were saying, Tim Walls, this is from X, the gun buyback clip.

02:46:35.000 I believe, Noodles, you might need to bring this up.

02:46:38.000 Where they tried to say, or at least I believe it was Walls who said, no one's out there saying they want to take their guns away.

02:46:43.000 Except the fact that she did.

02:46:43.000 No one's out there.

02:46:45.000 Except the fact that Kamala Harris has said it many times until she said, well, not exactly, but I still kind of do.

02:46:53.000 Do you have the clip?

02:46:53.000 Let me know when we have that.

02:46:54.000 Here you go.

02:46:55.000 No one said they want to take your guns away. 1.00

02:46:56.000 Come again, stupid? 1.00

02:46:58.000 I'm so passionate about and so looking forward to being president to address. 1.00

02:47:02.000 We've got to deal with this.

02:47:04.000 How mandatory is your gun buyback program?

02:47:06.000 It's mandatory.

02:47:08.000 Second amendment? 0.75

02:47:09.000 Second amendment? 0.75

02:47:10.000 Listen, we have to... We're gonna have to do it the right way.

02:47:13.000 There's no question about that.

02:47:14.000 But...

02:47:16.000 We don't have any.

02:47:17.000 We have to get these guns off the street.

02:47:19.000 But I also, you know, I have faith in the American people to know that, you know, that we want to comply with our laws and that I know that to be true.

02:47:32.000 We have another clip, too, of her saying that she will actually go take your guns away.

02:47:34.000 I'm sure they can find it.

02:47:36.000 The other one here, and this is just, they bring up Obamacare, and I was, again, I've

02:47:39.000 been around on YouTube since 2008, so remember when this was a discussion, all the predictions

02:47:43.000 were coming from those on the right, saying, well this is going to skyrocket the costs

02:47:47.000 of insurance, of premiums, of deductibles, because I believe it was 50 million Americans

02:47:52.000 that said were not covered, and a huge portion of them were young, healthy Americans who

02:47:55.000 chose not to get healthcare, and so a big side effect was forcing them to pay for healthcare

02:48:00.000 at that point, and then forcing healthcare to cover pre-existing conditions, while not

02:48:04.000 telling insurance companies that they couldn't increase the prices.

02:48:08.000 So what you've done is actually increased the risk pool, it was the biggest kickback,

02:48:11.000 Obamacare, let me be clear, was the biggest kickback for the health insurance industry

02:48:16.000 that this country has ever seen.

02:48:18.000 Okay, now let me substantiate that, just to be clear.

02:48:21.000 They try and say, oh, Donald Trump tried to do away with Obamacare. 0.93

02:48:23.000 Well, why do you think, dummy? 0.75

02:48:24.000 Let me give you a couple of reasons. 0.87

02:48:26.000 One-third of primary care doctors won't accept new patients on Medicaid at all, okay?

02:48:29.000 So the closer we get to single-payer, the less effective it is.

02:48:33.000 Obamacare doubled the costs of health insurance.

02:48:36.000 Doubled it.

02:48:37.000 Maybe that's why he wanted to try a different direction.

02:48:39.000 What do you, let me ask you this.

02:48:40.000 If doubling the cost of health insurance, when your whole plan is to make it more affordable, if the result is double, When do you say, let's try a different direction?

02:48:49.000 Does it have to be triple?

02:48:51.000 Quadruple?

02:48:52.000 At what point do you say it's a failed system?

02:48:53.000 And here's the point, it's not failed.

02:48:55.000 It's not failed for the left because they want to push onto you single-payer, they want it to eventually be socialized healthcare.

02:49:01.000 And so, doesn't matter how much your healthcare costs have increased, that's not a bug, it's a feature.

02:49:06.000 If healthcare costs go up as a result of their policy, guess what?

02:49:09.000 Eventually you will clamor for single-payer option, where you can see your mortality rates from basic diseases like cancer, Octuple.

02:49:17.000 Overnight.

02:49:17.000 You know, like Europe, or Canada, where I've had to bury relatives because by the time they could get a screening, because there are more MRI machines in the state of fucking Vermont than the entire country, the entire godforsaken country, and I mean that literally, god has forsaken that country a very long time ago, of Canada, by the time it was detected it was stage 4 lung cancer.

02:49:34.000 Take three years to get a family doctor and kid.

02:49:36.000 The cost was doubled.

02:49:37.000 They don't care because they want you to be in a single payer system. 0.81

02:49:40.000 Bring up the child care one there, Gerald.

02:49:41.000 This seems like your wheelhouse.

02:49:43.000 Yeah, really quickly to 129% increase from 13 to 19 there on child care.

02:49:47.000 Minnesota as a state lost 129 or 12.

02:49:49.000 Well, it was a typo.

02:49:52.000 I saw it from earlier.

02:49:53.000 Okay, 129%.

02:49:54.000 Childcare Minnesota lost 106 million dollars, some would say that's a lot of money, in childcare fraud in 2019.

02:50:00.000 I don't think he's going to solve the problem with that.

02:50:04.000 On preserving democracy, this question I thought was very interesting.

02:50:07.000 They always bring this up.

02:50:08.000 Yeah, because they go back to January 6th, and Judy Vance did a good job going, hey guys, you know the guy who, you know, apparently cheated his way to stay in power?

02:50:15.000 He left voluntarily on January 20th, 14 days after January 6th, also after saying peacefully and patriotically, and go home in peace and love.

02:50:23.000 Wait, can we pause really quickly?

02:50:26.000 Because they're doing the fact check on CNN and I think we're already fact checking his fact checks.

02:50:29.000 Do it!

02:50:30.000 He looks like he's been doing cocaine.

02:50:31.000 He's moving like it.

02:50:32.000 Drinking Game Rules still in effect.

02:50:33.000 getting from every state detailed after the fact anonymous data on abortion and

02:50:38.000 miscarriage. The federal government already gets this data from almost

02:50:41.000 every state on a voluntary basis. Project 2025 wants to make it mandatory for all

02:50:45.000 states but there's no pregnancy registration involved. Drinking Game Rule is still in effect. Drink, Project 2025.

02:50:50.000 I'm out. And in fact Tim Walz's own state of Minnesota already posts

02:50:55.000 details after the fact. He's actually checking for vans on this.

02:50:59.000 Online on the state health department website there is no pregnancy registration in Minnesota of course.

02:51:03.000 And I should also note that while the governor referred to their

02:51:07.000 Project 2025 it is not an initiative of the Trump Vans campaign itself though it

02:51:12.000 is of course also true that Trump and Vans have extensive and close ties to it. 0.97

02:51:16.000 Holy shit, the first time I said that. 0.98

02:51:18.000 Guys, that drinking game rule just cleared me out, so... Same. 0.99

02:51:20.000 on abortion.

02:51:20.000 I'm on a roll.

02:51:35.000 Before Senator Vance joined the Trump campaign and fell behind Trump's professed desire for a state-by-state approach to abortion, Vance did support a national abortion ban.

02:51:44.000 He said that he changed his mind because his own constituents in Ohio voted against his position!

02:51:49.000 He said I learned from them.

02:51:50.000 Sorry. 1.00

02:51:50.000 Fuck you, CNN! 1.00

02:51:51.000 No, I'm not sorry. 1.00

02:51:52.000 Good. 1.00

02:51:52.000 Fuck you! 1.00

02:51:52.000 You changed your mind? 1.00

02:51:54.000 Yeah.

02:51:54.000 Because of my constituents.

02:51:56.000 to stop women from traveling across state lines to obtain abortions.

02:52:00.000 And he also said in his website during that Senate campaign that he was quote 100% pro-life

02:52:05.000 end quote and that he favored eliminating abortion.

02:52:08.000 These categorical words were on his website until Trump chose him as the president.

02:52:11.000 What are you nodding for Anderson Cooper?

02:52:12.000 It doesn't affect you.

02:52:13.000 Butt babies aren't covered. 1.00

02:52:14.000 This guy's basically saying that Vance was anti-abortion completely until he sided with Trump, and Trump said he's not fully anti-abortion, but no, he is not fully anti-abortion!

02:52:25.000 At four months!

02:52:25.000 But it's not like a goal or a target that was federal legislation or the idea of it at least that would have

02:52:31.000 banned Abortion at 15 weeks and again, he was even more categorized

02:52:35.000 in hey Hey 0.99

02:52:39.000 Look, you can't reach the undecided people who vote with their pussies, I'm sorry, at four months. 0.98

02:52:45.000 At what point are you expected to be responsible? 0.93

02:52:47.000 Because, by the way, it still allows for, you know, if there's the death of the mother, which could be contributing to our serious health complications, by the way, less than 1%, less than 0.5% of all abortions ever performed for medical necessity.

02:52:57.000 So, what point do you have any responsibility?

02:53:00.000 In other words, they're saying, we don't want extreme measures.

02:53:02.000 You think it's extreme to have a ban on four months.

02:53:04.000 By the way, most European countries have it at 12 weeks.

02:53:07.000 Okay?

02:53:08.000 I'm sorry.

02:53:09.000 I'm sorry.

02:53:10.000 I don't think we need to be... Do we need to be compassionate with women who've been miseducated? 1.00

02:53:14.000 Yeah.

02:53:15.000 With women who maybe don't know what abortion actually is? 0.98

02:53:17.000 There is no woman in the United States of America who at four months doesn't realize that they have a baby growing inside of them.

02:53:25.000 I don't want that vote.

02:53:27.000 That's not the same as the woman at six weeks who doesn't understand what it is.

02:53:33.000 Why are we catering to that?

02:53:35.000 Let's shift that Overton window. 0.99

02:53:37.000 Come on.

02:53:38.000 Can we all agree that, like Europe at 12 weeks, you should be a little responsible?

02:53:43.000 And by the way, also the fathers.

02:53:46.000 But that's not the voting bloc.

02:53:47.000 If men decided the abortion issue, guess what? 0.71

02:53:50.000 You'd have far fewer abortions. 1.00

02:53:52.000 People say that's because of totalitarianism, but I don't know.

02:53:54.000 There are a lot of men out there who would raise them willingly in a single father household.

02:53:59.000 Men aren't the monsters you've made us out to be.

02:54:01.000 I would argue the monster is right in front of you.

02:54:04.000 The call is coming from inside the house because women are willing to hold this country hostage. 1.00

02:54:08.000 A subset of women who think that it is still a gross violation of their rights to kill a baby at Four months. 0.93

02:54:16.000 I won't go along with it.

02:54:17.000 It's not radical to say a federal abortion ban at 15 weeks, just like I don't think it's radical for socialist countries in Europe to say there's a ban at 12 weeks. 0.97

02:54:26.000 Shut up. 0.99

02:54:27.000 Shut up. 1.00

02:54:29.000 You don't know you're pregnant at 15 weeks? 1.00

02:54:30.000 I would argue that most men would assume a day after having unprotected sex that that woman is pregnant and will try everything to get her... Yes! 1.00

02:54:36.000 You're paranoid about it! 0.99

02:54:38.000 How many times when you're younger did you go, oh crap! 0.98

02:54:42.000 How would they put the condom on late? 0.98

02:54:43.000 Oh my god!

02:54:44.000 I'm gonna be a dad!

02:54:45.000 Meanwhile, four months later, what?

02:54:47.000 I'm pregnant? 0.83

02:54:48.000 I told you that!

02:54:50.000 Well, it'd be hard to know if, like, a 900-pound Life star is notwithstanding.

02:54:54.000 That's, you know, different.

02:54:55.000 I just saw the drop and something you did for fun.

02:54:58.000 Why is it that accent?

02:55:01.000 I don't know why it sounded like Percy from Green Mouth.

02:55:04.000 I didn't know the sponge was supposed to be wet.

02:55:09.000 I mean, I know people... There you go, I'm a fascist, sexist male. 0.98

02:55:11.000 Yep, I think that at four months you should be able to tell. 0.97

02:55:13.000 You should be able to tell if you're pregnant or not. 0.58

02:55:15.000 I think at four months it's too late.

02:55:16.000 Go ahead, comment below.

02:55:17.000 My fascist picked me that way.

02:55:19.000 I don't care. 0.50

02:55:19.000 Go ahead, Gerald. 0.50

02:55:20.000 Ah, sometimes you miss a period four times.

02:55:21.000 No, I don't think you're a fascist.

02:55:22.000 Don't make people think that I think you're a fascist for having that idea.

02:55:24.000 Preserving democracy. 0.99

02:55:25.000 This is something, remember this... Oh wait, hold on a second, you didn't finish the... Ah, shut up, I got it! 0.89

02:55:28.000 You didn't finish the cases.

02:55:29.000 The cases of Donald Trump where they said... That's preserving democracy!

02:55:32.000 Okay, sorry, go ahead.

02:55:34.000 Remember this.

02:55:35.000 Remember this when somebody brings this up again.

02:55:37.000 92 cases were filed.

02:55:38.000 Only 32 heard on merits.

02:55:41.000 24 of the 32 decided in Trump's favor.

02:55:45.000 That is significant.

02:55:46.000 Quinnipiac poll recently on preserving democracy in the United States.

02:55:50.000 Georgia 49% Trump, 47 Harris.

02:55:53.000 North Carolina 49% Trump, 48 Harris.

02:55:57.000 Donald Trump is winning in this category.

02:55:59.000 Why keep asking the question, ABC?

02:56:02.000 I think I know.

02:56:04.000 We know why people may think Trump is a threat to democracy if they bought the lies that the media has sold.

02:56:08.000 The media has never sold anyone the bill of goods that Harris is a threat to democracy, which means in spite of the media, more Americans think that Harris is a threat to democracy.

02:56:18.000 Ask yourself, why is that?

02:56:21.000 Why is that?

02:56:22.000 And if the media was unbiased?

02:56:24.000 Would we ever have an election that's even close?

02:56:26.000 I've said this many times.

02:56:27.000 With the media and big tech, by the way, in the current state that it's in, I'm amazed that any Republican wins ever.

02:56:32.000 If the media actually was unbiased, I'd be shocked if a Democrat won ever.

02:56:36.000 It's that simple.

02:56:37.000 By the way, Vance made a great argument.

02:56:39.000 I think Vivek has made the argument a little bit differently, more aggressively, I guess,

02:56:42.000 earlier on in primaries.

02:56:44.000 But he's the only person to make the argument about the censorship against the preserving

02:56:47.000 democracy.

02:56:48.000 I haven't heard anybody talk about that on a major platform.

02:56:51.000 Even Trump hasn't.

02:56:52.000 He, because he gets, I guess he gets distracted, starts talking about something else.

02:56:54.000 But no one else has talked about how the censorship is a way bigger threat to democracy than somebody

02:56:59.000 saying protest peacefully and let your voices be heard.

02:57:02.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:57:03.000 It was a really, really good point.

02:57:04.000 He said it will outlive any of our administration.

02:57:06.000 Oh, what a great way.

02:57:06.000 Yeah.

02:57:07.000 Exactly.

02:57:08.000 What a great line.

02:57:09.000 I'm like, Oprah, that soundbite.

02:57:10.000 It wasn't even about him.

02:57:11.000 Yeah, it's about his kids.

02:57:12.000 Yeah, it's about our kids.

02:57:13.000 Well, that's because it's warm in here.

02:57:15.000 So there's a couple of fact check, not fact check, sorry.

02:57:18.000 It's like a panel.

02:57:21.000 From the Washington Post, it's a focus group on voters.

02:57:24.000 Now, before I get into this, only three of these people said they have... Hold on!

02:57:28.000 There's a terrorist in this voting group! 1.00

02:57:29.000 Get that terrorist out of there! 1.00

02:57:30.000 The Hamburgler! 1.00

02:57:31.000 He's about to blow up the focus group!

02:57:35.000 Oh, we met the guy in the front.

02:57:36.000 I think I met the Hamburglar in the back. 0.99

02:57:38.000 No, I met Jihadi John.

02:57:40.000 Yeah, that lady in the back looks like a criminal in a 1960s cartoon. 1.00

02:57:46.000 Like a spotlight's going by like, you gotta stand up against the wall, see?

02:57:49.000 They can't see you with a strike, see?

02:57:51.000 Ehhh? 0.71

02:57:52.000 ... throughout the course of the debate.

02:57:54.000 And actually, we'll start with overall impressions, guys, because all seven of you came in undecided.

02:57:59.000 The guy on the far left looks like Tom Delonge transitioning.

02:58:02.000 Who do you vote for, and what kind of...

02:58:04.000 Oh, Grand Valley!

02:58:05.000 Grand Rapids!

02:58:06.000 I'll be voting for Kamala Harris. 0.66

02:58:06.000 That's fun! 0.66

02:58:08.000 Geez, that's gross!

02:58:10.000 One of the aspects of that debate that really stuck with me was when they were talking about January 6th and how Mike Pence had the election and they were wondering if J.D.

02:58:19.000 Vance would certify the election.

02:58:21.000 That's who I was talking about earlier. 1.00

02:58:23.000 He votes with his pussy. 1.00

02:58:24.000 JD Vance. 1.00

02:58:25.000 He doesn't have to pay the advance rates.

02:58:28.000 Stephen?

02:58:29.000 Stephen?

02:58:30.000 She. 0.93

02:58:31.000 Okay?

02:58:32.000 Hey.

02:58:33.000 You know, with my vote, if they're not going to respect it.

02:58:37.000 So six of you still remain undecided.

02:58:40.000 About 35 days until the election.

02:58:41.000 We're going to dig in on some issues in a moment and your reactions to those issues.

02:58:44.000 But first I want to talk about what Jake Tapper was just talking about in terms of the tone.

02:58:48.000 Everybody seems to agree this was not a debate like we've seen much of over the course of the last eight years, at least I think you said Warm and fuzzy was what came to mind for you.

02:58:56.000 What did you see tonight?

02:58:58.000 I haven't seen a debate like this in a very long time.

02:59:01.000 I'm sorry.

02:59:01.000 Who's speaking?

02:59:02.000 I haven't seen a debate like this in a very long time.

02:59:05.000 They supported each other.

02:59:07.000 They were kind.

02:59:09.000 And it was warm and fuzzy.

02:59:11.000 I mean, you could watch it and not be offended by the words they were using towards each other.

02:59:16.000 And I think to that point, one of the striking things when we were looking at the data, in terms of your guys' responses, is your favorability for both candidates, regardless of how you viewed them coming into the night, went up.

02:59:28.000 Significantly.

02:59:29.000 To be honest, why?

02:59:31.000 That guy in the bottom left looks like the best friend in Righteous Gemstones of Adam Devine's character.

02:59:38.000 Someone can bring it up.

02:59:39.000 Righteous Gemstones, a sidekick of the youth group.

02:59:41.000 CNN, give him a pat down. 1.00

02:59:41.000 The guy in the bottom left. 1.00

02:59:43.000 Do your job, CNN.

02:59:44.000 This is such a weak panel, by the way.

02:59:46.000 It's Grand Valley State.

02:59:46.000 I spent five years in Grand Rapids.

02:59:48.000 Do your job, CNN.

02:59:50.000 Where's the mic we gave you?

02:59:52.000 This is such a weak panel, by the way.

02:59:54.000 It's Grand Valley State.

02:59:56.000 I spent five years in Grand Rapids.

02:59:58.000 I know how weak Grand Valley State is.

03:00:00.000 I know!

03:00:00.000 Cut the Grand Valley State!

03:00:01.000 Get the Grand Valley State out of here! 0.99

03:00:03.000 Okay, go away from this.

03:00:04.000 Go to, I have a much more interesting panel in the Washington Post.

03:00:07.000 All right, so here are the questions that they asked.

03:00:10.000 Again, three people out of this entire group even had a somewhat positive understanding

03:00:15.000 of who Vance was, meaning like they liked him to some degree.

03:00:18.000 Okay, cut the Grand Valley State.

03:00:20.000 Get the Grand Valley State out of here.

03:00:21.000 Ah, they've been used to hearing that.

03:00:23.000 So, who made better arguments about how to handle climate change?

03:00:27.000 13 people said Vance, only nine people said Walt.

03:00:30.000 These are, again, only three people liked Vance going into this.

03:00:34.000 OK, who made better arguments about how to handle U.S.

03:00:37.000 policy toward Israel and Iran?

03:00:38.000 16 people, Vance.

03:00:40.000 Six people, Walls.

03:00:41.000 Oof.

03:00:42.000 I got the climate change one again.

03:00:42.000 That's bad, right?

03:00:44.000 What's your impression of Vance pre-debate?

03:00:46.000 So just to kind of prove this here, two people said somewhat favorable, one person very favorable.

03:00:52.000 And then what's your impression of Walls pre-debate?

03:00:56.000 Somewhat favorable, nine people out of this group.

03:00:59.000 So, it's very interesting that you saw so many people go, yeah, he has better ideas on these things.

03:01:05.000 Better being honest, too, by the way.

03:01:06.000 Yeah, absolutely.

03:01:07.000 At least you'd think they are, but... That's insane.

03:01:10.000 Yeah.

03:01:11.000 Oh, it's Righteous Gemstone's sidekick.

03:01:13.000 Good lord.

03:01:15.000 He ranted that tie.

03:01:16.000 Was he driving a limo to prom?

03:01:17.000 I think he spiked the punchbowl.

03:01:18.000 Don't make this guy answer!

03:01:20.000 Come on, he's at Grand Valley State.

03:01:20.000 That's not fair to him.

03:01:22.000 we have expertise when making decisions in policy, right?

03:01:26.000 And so him bringing the specifics to say that we need the expertise, making these decisions

03:01:34.000 I agree that was fair to him.

03:01:37.000 That was fair to him.

03:01:38.000 God, poor guy.

03:01:39.000 Come on, he's at Grand Valley State.

03:01:40.000 Hasn't he suffered enough?

03:01:43.000 Hey, don't talk about the drummer from our new metal band like that, Steven.

03:01:47.000 Ubb Scene, spelled U-B-B.

03:01:50.000 Scene.

03:01:51.000 He's the scene, I'm a little Ubb.

03:01:53.000 Yep.

03:01:55.000 There you go!

03:01:56.000 Isn't it?

03:01:57.000 Isn't it?

03:01:58.000 Come on! 0.61

03:02:00.000 Right?

03:02:01.000 That's a deep pull.

03:02:02.000 Oh man, someone leave this alligator wrangler out of the debate. 0.99

03:02:07.000 Then they married Lana Del Rey.

03:02:09.000 This guy's gotta get back to his fireworks stand.

03:02:11.000 Give him a break, dude! 0.99

03:02:13.000 Jesus!

03:02:14.000 Yeah, Lana Del Rey married an alligator wrangler. 0.52

03:02:16.000 She married an alligator wrangler, which makes me like her. 1.00

03:02:18.000 Means she probably married for love.

03:02:18.000 That's pretty cool, dude.

03:02:19.000 Makes me like him.

03:02:20.000 He's probably got some great stuff going.

03:02:21.000 And he can wrestle an alligator.

03:02:22.000 Come on, that's pretty cool.

03:02:23.000 This is the saddest focus group I have ever seen.

03:02:26.000 It is!

03:02:26.000 This focus group would make Frank Luntz go, geez, that was kind of gross.

03:02:29.000 Look at his foster mom right here. 0.99

03:02:32.000 Alright.

03:02:32.000 She's pregnant.

03:02:32.000 Aww.

03:02:33.000 We're going to continue with this, more live fact-checking, but right now it is time for, uh, because we do our research here and we have the inside lane that a lot of people don't have, that's why you can also subscribe, of course, and join up Mug Club.

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03:02:58.000 Uh, to give us, uh, you know, they're like oracles.

03:03:02.000 And we actually have the most likely October surprises, which brings us to this week's 7 plus 1.

03:03:07.000 You'll forgot Sivan in the chamber!

03:03:14.000 They always forget the one in the chamber and that's usually what takes the villain out.

03:03:17.000 So this is 7 Plus 1 most likely October surprises, according to our inside sources.

03:03:24.000 Number seven, Kamala Harris unveils her new stimulus package known as Kamala Cash.

03:03:31.000 Oh, well you know what?

03:03:32.000 Camel cash?

03:03:33.000 I hope they take it.

03:03:36.000 She looks cool.

03:03:39.000 Number six, Josh Feierstein.

03:03:41.000 Kamala Harris gets pregnant and promptly aborts it to focus on her career. 0.61

03:03:46.000 Oh, well that makes sense.

03:03:48.000 Babies are inconvenient.

03:03:50.000 Life of the mother, you know? 0.58

03:03:52.000 Social life of the mother.

03:03:53.000 Number five, Harris-Wall's campaign.

03:03:56.000 They released a video of Donald Trump taking more than one sweet and low from a Manhattan diner.

03:04:00.000 Well, that's why they have to fabricate it, because that would be a crime against humanity.

03:04:04.000 Well, that's how you get wealthy.

03:04:05.000 I've seen his pockets.

03:04:06.000 They look way down.

03:04:07.000 Yeah, I know.

03:04:07.000 They look way down.

03:04:08.000 But I would think that's more of a Splenda or sugar in the raw pattern.

03:04:13.000 Number four.

Louder with Crowder - October 02, 2024

Vance and Walz Face Off: VP Debate Mega Live Stream 2024

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