On this week's episode of Change My Mind: Live from The Rumble, host Josh Firestone is joined by special guest Sabrina Carpenter and Captain Morgan to discuss a variety of topics, including: President Trump's latest rant on Somalia, Sabrina's new song, and more.
00:03:18.000We're going to talk about that in a rant that you would not have anticipated from the president five years ago, but it's amongst my favorites.
00:03:28.000We have an entertainment minute on that.
00:03:29.000And more importantly, we do have the very first, it's kind of a bonus, but an installment of Change My Mind that we're airing live here today, but streaming for you, where I was escorted quite promptly by security.
00:03:40.000And it's a little bit, it was a little bit nerve-wracking.
00:03:43.000So it's not a complete Change My Mind, but we figured we'd include it as well.
00:03:47.000Let me ask you this question of the day.
00:03:48.000What's your favorite Sabrina Carpenter song?
00:03:51.000Mine is one something she sings about rainy Mondays.
00:12:19.000I said that just despite Toolman Tim, I would have you legally adopt me and I would marry his sister just so I could spite suckle you and look him in the eye.
00:14:22.000And if you ever went to go see any of the stand-up shows, I've had a long, long bit on this.
00:14:26.000Do you remember when President Trump called Haiti, if you have kids, they shouldn't be watching?
00:14:30.000Remember when President Trump called Haiti a shithole?
00:14:32.000And all of a sudden, those on the left, including like Conan O'Brien, they were talking about how it was the world's most beautiful country.
00:17:05.000I will say this, for as much as we called out President Trump for being inarticulate yesterday, saying, oh, the inflation crisis, the cost, it's a leftist hoax.
00:18:17.000You can check the references link in the description.
00:18:19.000So the DHS Secretary, Kirsty Noam, Christy Noam, sorry, they got to think about that.
00:18:23.000Met with President Trump and recommended some additional countries to be added to the list.
00:18:29.000She said, I just met with President Trump.
00:18:30.000I'm recommending a full travel ban on every damn country that's been flooding our nation with killers, leeches, and entitlement junkies.
00:18:37.000Our forefathers built this nation on blood, sweat, and the unyielding love of freedom, not for foreign invaders to slaughter our heroes, suck dry our hard-earned tax dollars, or snatch the benefits owed to Americans.
00:21:01.000This is talking about people from countries and their behavior.
00:21:05.000And by the way, what they bring to the country versus what they take.
00:21:08.000Tell me what is morally wrong with this.
00:21:12.000And then please wag your finger at every other nation.
00:21:17.000Including, by the way, some of the Nordic nations that you love to praise.
00:21:20.000Including, by the way, some of the more socialist, some of the more centrally planned economies who are far more stringent on who can come in and what is required to benefit from their social safety nets.
00:22:22.000We're saying the same thing, at least that last part.
00:22:25.000This comes from the New York Times last week.
00:22:27.000Over the last five years, law enforcement officials say fraud took root in pockets of Minnesota's Somali diaspora as scores of individuals made small fortunes by setting up companies that build state agencies for millions of dollars worth of social services that were never provided.
00:22:53.000I mean, it's scores of them, which is another way of saying more than 20.
00:22:57.000Yeah, it's another way of saying we apply identity politics when we want to tell you that this whole group is good and you can't discriminate against them.
00:23:04.000But then when it's scores of them, groups of them, it's just groups of individuals who aren't acting in concert.
00:24:03.000This is also something that's kind of important.
00:24:05.000First off, people from Denmark, Sweden, South Africa, they don't tend to be a net drain on the taxpayer.
00:24:09.000What's kind of surprising, I've talked about this quite a bit, is if you take the Danish, you take some Danish people from Denmark and you bring them to the States, sure, they have a higher quality of life in Denmark than the average American.
00:24:20.000That's because obviously we have people from all different races, stripes, creeds, and much larger populations.
00:24:27.000Danes have a 50% higher quality of life in the United States than in Denmark.
00:24:33.000Swedes in America have a 50% higher quality of life than Swedes in Sweden.
00:24:37.000Also, these people wave the flag and they're happy to be here.
00:24:40.000Also, one other thing, too, Denmark, Sweden, there are a lot of slavery there because there still is in places like Somalia.
00:24:48.000I mean, if we're just applying the standard, I would think that would bother you more than Donald Trump calling out these places that still practice slavery, a lot of them, as hell holes.
00:25:10.000I mean, sure, there's some immigrants.
00:25:11.000They want to come here for a better opportunity, but that's because they already have some kind of business or some kind of an endeavor that they're working on and they want to come to the America, to the States.
00:25:29.000You have more pep in your step when you're not inbred and your feet aren't flippers.
00:25:33.000But here's something else that people need to take into account.
00:25:35.000People coming from Denmark, Sweden, and yeah, they do have more, you know, more sort of social safety nets, if you want to talk about it that way.
00:25:42.000So they're leaving that, which usually means they're leaving the security of a more centrally planned economy for opportunity in the United States.
00:25:50.000So often these people are owners, they're business owners, they're entrepreneurs.
00:25:53.000Whereas someone coming from Somalia, they're leaving certain deaths for free stuff.
00:25:59.000They already have free stuff in Denmark, in Sweden, countries like that.
00:26:04.000They already have free stuff in a lot of these European countries.
00:26:33.000Like same thing with LaOcean, Cambodian, they can kind of be the same.
00:26:36.000I probably would be the same with people from the Democratic Republic of Congo versus the other Congo one.
00:26:43.000But no one's going to be mistaking Michael B. Jordan for a Somali.
00:26:47.000Like they are very easily identifiable, often because, and not because of their race, to be clear, because of the hardcore ugliness due to generations of inbreeding, right?
00:26:58.000Like half, half of Somalis, that's why they have the weird look and they're malnourished.
00:28:07.000He demonized what they practice in their country, and he demonized people who come here and engage in, demand that we engage in or continue said practices.
00:29:29.000And by the way, there's a very big difference, too.
00:29:31.000And we're even talking about no one is talking about black Americans who live in your neighborhood.
00:29:37.000No one is talking about people who've been a part of the American fabric for a very long time.
00:29:41.000I mean, you can say what you want about black Americans, and there's a crime problem, and you can say what you want about the racial division that's been stoked by people like Barack Obama.
00:29:49.000For more proof, go see black and white in the gray issues and some of the entitlement, right, the mindset.
00:29:54.000But black Americans are often, and I would even say black Democrats, much more patriotic, by and large, than white liberals in this country.
00:30:41.000I'm the mayor of Minneapolis, and we are here to respond to a number of credible reports from several media.
00:30:51.000The land that there are as many as 100 federal agents that will be deployed to the Twin Cities with a specific focus on targeting our Somali community, to our Somali community.
00:34:27.000So, you know, not as bad as the new breed of Tranny.
00:34:32.000The White House, along with that awesome rant speech that you just saw from Donald Trump, they just released a new video on the topic of deportations, and it featured Sabrina Carpenter's song, Juno.
00:34:43.000And I'm not super familiar with the song, but I do like the video.
00:37:28.000Or is evil and inhumane, would that be like murdering a nursing student who is jogging Lake and Riley?
00:37:34.000Or raping and murdering a mother of five, Rachel Moran, or strangling a teenager to death, Jocelyn Nungre, or murdering a woman, beheading her, stuffing her in a barrel, Megan Boss.
00:37:43.000Raping, murdering an autistic woman, Kayla Hamilton.
00:37:46.000Murdering a 15-year-old trying to stop the rape of his mother.
00:37:49.000That was Louis Juxan Nanez-Lopez, I believe.
00:37:52.000Murdering two teens after drinking and driving, Paula Sokin and Anya Varfolomiv.
00:38:12.000How about trafficking hundreds of thousands of illegal minors into our country, leading to and contributing as well to the most amount of slaves ever in human history?
00:38:21.000Or how about we soften it, just stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from Minnesota taxpayers through fraud, which was funded by terrorist Al-Shabaab?
00:38:29.000How about costing American taxpayers $150 to $450 billion annually?
00:40:09.000And the world has become a smaller place as far as feedback directly to your representatives politically, where they actually have to accommodate, they have to adapt.
00:40:20.000And the world is a smaller place with celebrities where once upon a time they'd do a junket, they'd be on a red carpet or they'd be on a show.
00:40:26.000They'd say something so asinine that you can't even figure out where they got it and they just move on with their day.
00:41:33.000Where I sat down at Oklahoma University and the conversation sort of branched out from deport all illegals to, well, what does it mean to be an American?
00:41:44.000I noticed when I was talking with young people, that wasn't something they'd considered or entertained.
00:41:50.000And the good news with that is that a lot of young people who would be default leftist, be default liberal, were open to the idea that there should be some requirements, there should be some expectations as it relates to being American.
00:42:04.000We didn't include this because it was cut short, as you'll see due to some, you know, some risks where it was pretty high tension.
00:42:15.000What does it mean to be an American before I'm escorted?
00:42:20.000So last month I traveled to Oklahoma University for the latest installments of Change My Mind, where I tackled two new topics, deporting all the illegals and canceling SNAP.
00:42:31.000You can find those videos in the description.
00:42:33.000But today I have a bonus piece of content.
00:42:38.000And I say bonus because it was cut short due to some behind-the-scenes security issues we had to deal with, and after which I had to be escorted.
00:42:49.000But it also showcases a very interesting conversation with, I will say, a kind and thoughtful student about what it means to actually be an American.
00:42:59.000Because that's something we gloss past when we're talking about immigration and a lot of policies.
00:43:39.000It's funny, my only experience with OU was in jiu-jitsu and a guy who was all-American, I think he was actually national champion, NCAA champion, suplexed me and concussed me.
00:44:42.000Kind of looking at when people talk about boomers not really fully appreciating it.
00:44:46.000And I go, sure, people can make better financial decisions, and I think a lot of young people don't, but they don't really take into account the competitive nature of the job marketplace.
00:44:55.000It's quite a bit different from what we're doing.
00:44:57.000I mean, I have a lot of friends just last night, obviously, with a couple seniors that are graduating this semester and just discussing the job market in general.
00:45:59.000So, you know, I just always try and clarify with people what it's not.
00:46:02.000Because this was started 10 years ago, close to it, before the kind of debate bro culture and before YouTube shorts was a thing.
00:46:09.000It's not designed to be gotcha, score points, dunk.
00:46:12.000We really do try and have discussions in good faith, even on controversial topics, hopefully proving that we can have them, even if we disagree.
00:46:18.000And that being said, today obviously is a hot-button issue.
00:46:21.000We've been talking about it quite a bit.
00:46:24.000I believe that in the year 2025, certainly where we find ourselves at this impasse with our immigration issues.
00:46:47.000I think we've tried it the other way forever, going back to, I mean, well before it, but Reagan granting amnesty to 3 million, the number's increased by 450% since then.
00:47:01.000Crime in many of the sanctuary cities is out of control.
00:47:03.000And I also think, look, a big difference now, considering the number, the sheer influx in the last decade, I think Americans have the right to want to preserve a culture here where they're footing the bill as taxpayers to feel like strangers in their own town where they don't have common language, common culture, common values.
00:50:08.000And the reason that this really sticks in my mind is because when I did a change of mind on building the wall a long time ago, the number was about $116 billion per year.
00:50:16.000The lowest estimate you'll find is $150 billion.
00:50:20.000I understand, so do Americans pay sales taxes.
00:50:22.000But accounting for the income revenue that we actually see having to estimate.
00:50:26.000And here's also the problem, too, right?
00:50:27.000Like you said, these have to be, that's why I give you a pretty wide range.
00:50:30.000Because when you're dealing with people who are not only not on the books, but are incentivized to stay off the books, and even more the employers are incentivized to keep them off the books as a result of policy, it's difficult to track.
00:50:41.000But you'd be hard-pressed to find someone say that it's a net benefit to the American taxpayer, illegal aliens.
00:50:57.000Do you think that American, I mean, you talked about Ronald Reagan earlier.
00:51:00.000You've heard his quote that the only thing that defines an American is a willingness to come to this country and anybody can become an American.
00:51:07.000That's the important part of that quote.
00:51:08.000So you think definitionally what becomes an American is assimilation to our culture?
00:51:12.000So yeah, I think that if I see someone who's here who's sending money back to the country they claim to flee and they don't speak the common language, I view them as less American.
00:51:20.000Okay, so you, I mean, because most of those people are supporting their parents, which is really common in a lot of other cultures.
00:51:47.000A country needs to look out for the best interests of its citizens, as all these other countries do.
00:51:51.000The immigration laws are far more harsh in Mexico, far more harsh, for example, in Japan and Korea and even many South American countries.
00:51:59.000India had an official language being English, one of many before the United States.
00:52:03.000So, yeah, that's not a benefit to the American taxpayer.
00:52:05.000Someone coming here, working a job that an American would do to send money to another country is not something that's not building a country that's taking from.
00:52:14.000Well, I mean, you bring up Japan and Korea, and those are really great examples of extremely xenophobic countries that dislike people that have been not considered nationalists.
00:52:33.000The reason I bring up those two, and you could include Mexico as well, is I think the United States is distinctively better because we have so many people not from this country working within it.
00:52:53.000And without question, that makes every single graduate program with non-Americans in it better for it because they have to be so much better than us to get into these programs.
00:53:28.000But that's not all immigrants that we're seeing right now.
00:53:31.000An issue for me, we need to have a shared value system, we have a shared common language, and a shared specific value in contributing and building a country.
00:53:41.000So you see a lot of different points of view.
00:53:43.000Let's take, for example, like when people think immigrants, they'll often think like Alice Highland, you know, that sort of like Italians and the Irish, and they might have disagreed, but the truth is, people coming from Italy, Ireland, Germany, Poland, take your pick, they came here, only a nickel in their pocket, at great risk to themselves, at no benefit.
00:53:59.000As a matter of fact, they left often the creature comforts and sort of a social safety net in some cases of the previous country at risk to themselves, but the promise of freedom.
00:54:07.000That's the only thing promised here that wasn't promised anywhere else.
00:54:45.000We still saw immigration about the 50s and 60s, and it really hasn't become this hot and bush an issue until recently.
00:54:49.000And so what necessarily changed, and just to say more specifically, that a lot of the people that come here to work jobs aren't getting from the green mills.
00:55:01.000But there'd be no way of a very good school that a lot of them and graduate programs at the very least that are receiving doctorates here in this country, which is a large port.
00:55:11.000That's a great example of an industry which heavily relies on immigrants.
00:56:05.000There's no way of verifying if it's legitimate.
00:56:07.000And I think we would agree, the employers who turn a blind eye, you've created a modern class of slave labor.
00:56:13.000You can go to neighborhoods here, but you'll find 16 families living in a house, taking a job that an American would do for much lower wages.
00:56:18.000A commission is taken off the top from one of these placement firms.
00:57:12.000I use that hyperbole, but I think you agree with it.
00:57:15.000Can you give me an example where something else that is intensely valuable, its value is maintained or increased by making it cheaper or available to all with lower standards?
00:57:44.000So if you're the one who's holding this item, in this case, it's obviously sort of more nebulous, but a citizenship, but something of value, what should the requirements be, considering that we have so many people here who also value it and want to remain in this country?
00:59:57.000No, no, but literally, it's a third world country.
01:00:00.000Why aren't the best and brightest turning India into America number two?
01:00:04.000Well, a lot of those things when you talk about being a backwards country, and a lot of the things they face because being so raw are more to do with cultural values and things that you place into high regard that they don't.
01:00:16.000And so, even the idea of a third world country, you know, comes from the Civil War, as I'm sure you know.
01:00:23.000And we use it these days to refer to anything that is less urbanized or less culturally, sorry, like scientifically advanced, technologically advanced.
01:00:32.000But a lot of these countries just have really strong programs and a lot of things that aren't focused on the things we Americans find valuable.
01:00:46.000The point is with those people that come here and choose to make our country better rather than theirs, they might just hold values and things that we find value in rather than they.
01:00:57.000And what would you say to the American?
01:00:59.000It goes, well, these people come here, take a job, do it for a lower wage, and they send the money back home to India, the country that they left, because that's very common.
01:01:09.000We can't speak necessarily what any given immigrant believes or does not believe.
01:01:13.000Well, okay, so in Texas, I'll just give you as an example.
01:01:16.000And I've talked with quite a few of these people.
01:01:18.000As a matter of fact, I did a talking with people, which has like changed my mind, but I'm less likely to get shot, where I just kind of walk and talk.
01:01:25.000And there were some Indian immigrants who were going to college.
01:01:28.000And I said, what do you like most about America?
01:01:46.000And there are areas in Texas, obviously, particularly areas like in the Dallas area.
01:01:50.000A lot of Indian, let me ask you, do the areas where Indian immigrants have come here en masse, meaning they make up the majority of the neighborhood, does it look more like America as we know it or less, more like India?
01:02:04.000I think the idea that we need to keep America sort of stagnant over time, that it can't change culturally, is not to India.
01:02:17.000No, I mean, this idea of a melting pot, and some people disagree with that, but that's not necessarily.
01:02:21.000It's a different, though, but it's a very different melting pot.
01:02:23.000Again, people from Ireland and England coming in, they weren't from different planets.
01:02:28.000When someone doesn't come from the same type of value system or even share the same language, and they're interested in using the gold, the milk and honey from this country to send back to said country they left, that's not the same thing.
01:03:10.000I think it should be factored in how much they build this country, not take.
01:03:16.000But that has nothing to do with how culturally similar they're country.
01:03:19.000That's a very, I would say that's a central tenet to American culture.
01:03:22.000When you had immigrants coming here and they were building the Empire State Building where they're eating their lunch boxes on the scaffold and it still gives me vertigo when I see the pictures and paying taxes, I think that's very different from someone coming here and certainly the illegal aliens who don't pay taxes, or the ones who don't.
01:03:38.000Or someone coming here, collecting the money and sending it back to India or sending it back to Mexico or sending it back to Honduras in certain country.
01:03:49.000You see it with USSR expats who came here were fleeing communism.
01:03:52.000It's difficult to inherently say that sending money home was a bad thing when so often the federal government, because of our role on the national or the world stage, gives millions or billions of dollars to foreign countries.
01:04:05.000It's just an individual portion of that.
01:04:06.000And I don't know that you necessarily, or I, I can speak for myself specifically, would not give money back to my family if I were to make it up in a different country.
01:04:14.000Well, sure, but the policy should be a 50% remittance tax.
01:04:45.000The majority language here is English.
01:04:47.000However, there's a difference between things that might be smart or common sense and things we can make legally enforceable.
01:04:54.000And that's one of those things, same with sending money home or even having an American value system, which you may define to be a sense of cultural norms.
01:05:03.000But regardless, there's a difference between things that you might find personally benefiting to you or the country as a whole and things that we can make legally responsible.
01:05:13.000For sure, you could ensure that any and all retail customer service positions, forward-facing positions, English only English, as they do in countries with official language.
01:05:20.000And that's a language of service to many of the communities where most areas.
01:05:23.000But it would be a huge service to the United States community.
01:05:27.000That ignores the fact that the United States community is made up of smaller communities.
01:05:45.000And a lot of the smaller parts of this country don't speak English as their native language, simply because a lot of them are immigrants, second generation immigrants, third generation immigrants.
01:06:21.000You have no allegiance to any other nation before the United States.
01:06:25.000That means you don't send your money elsewhere.
01:06:28.000You don't have a sworn allegiance or an affinity for another nation above the United States.
01:06:32.000And we need to have a shared common culture.
01:06:34.000Well, that's an allusion to the founding documents.
01:06:37.000I mean, so you think that America is stronger, because I don't want to get too far.
01:06:40.000If people don't speak the same language, if people send their people coming here, don't learn English, send their money back to another country, you think that makes America great?
01:07:01.000I mean, I can speak from experience, but also just generally cultural.
01:07:04.000So much of American cuisine is made up of foreign cuisine.
01:07:07.000Now, you're not going to get me on tandoori chicken that that's the reason we need a bunch of third world immigrants who don't speak the language.
01:07:12.000I'm not trying to, just in the sense that there's so much of American culture that borrows from other cultures, and we change it and we make it American, but we can't do that if we don't have immigrants.
01:07:21.000And I understand that it's not a problem.
01:07:23.000You can do it if you have a selective group of immigrants who improve America, who are a net benefit to America.
01:07:28.000We have 330, 350 million people in this country, and we are facing an insurmountable debt.
01:07:36.000And by the way, not just immigrants, to be clear.
01:07:39.000I also think we should cut snap in these welfare states for Americans who are abusing the system.
01:07:44.000But the difference is we have the ability to set criteria for people coming into this country.
01:07:51.000And I think it needs to start with what serves the interest of the American people.
01:07:55.000And I think the left, the reason they're losing and the reason that Gen Z men are veering away from them is because they're not able to define what it is to be American.
01:08:02.000Well, I mean, let's be clear that you're not arguing the left at large in this situation.
01:08:06.000No, I'm telling you, but I'm saying I am willing to stake my claim on this is important, and I think it's important to a lot of Americans.
01:08:12.000And we used to just talk about, hey, you know, cool, let's make it easier to immigrate here.