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00:03:05.000 Hey, I'm looking into the right camera this time because remember that last time, Toolman, the Ash Wednesday I screwed up?

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00:03:13.000 So it's Ash Wednesday where we sit down with a very special someone, and ladies, you're going to love them.

00:03:20.000 Today, actually, we have on the program Jake Julius, who has almost a million subscribers on YouTube, a bunch of followers on Instagram, and comes highly recommended from Andrew Wilson.

00:03:32.000 That's how I know he is from the extravaganza that you do with him.

00:03:35.000 Yeah, man, four times a week.

00:03:36.000 That's a lot.

00:03:37.000 Yeah.

00:03:38.000 How are you doing?

00:03:38.000 Good.

00:03:39.000 I know it's a busy time this time of year.

00:03:39.000 Thank you for having me.

00:03:41.000 So, I really appreciate it.

00:03:43.000 Now, I want to make sure it's your channel, is it Rattlesnake TV or?

00:03:43.000 Appreciate it.

00:03:47.000 Rattlesnake TV.

00:03:48.000 So, you decided to go with a wrestling name as opposed to your normal name?

00:03:51.000 Well, it's actually not a wrestling name.

00:03:53.000 The way it came about is that I used to work at the Salvation Army for a few years and I was about to have my first boxing fight.

00:03:59.000 And so, I came out into.

00:04:01.000 Well, basically, the guy who was promoting it called me up and he said, mate, you got to have a name.

00:04:05.000 And I was like, I don't know what my name is.

00:04:06.000 Just call me Jake.

00:04:07.000 And he goes, if you don't find yourself a name, I'm going to call you Jake the Fairy or something.

00:04:13.000 Now, can you say fairy in Australia?

00:04:13.000 So I thought, okay.

00:04:15.000 Is that not considered a hate crime?

00:04:17.000 I could have had him arrested.

00:04:17.000 No, I probably will.

00:04:20.000 So then I went out into the lunch area of this homeless cafe that I was working at.

00:04:25.000 And I was like, guys, I need a name.

00:04:27.000 What am I going to call myself?

00:04:28.000 And one of the guys comes out to me and he says, well, you can call yourself Jake the Rattlesnake, bruh.

00:04:31.000 And I was like, homeless guy?

00:04:32.000 Yeah.

00:04:32.000 That's how you got your name.

00:04:34.000 He goes, what about the Rattlesnake, bruh?

00:04:37.000 You got a name of moonshine.

00:04:38.000 Well, I don't know what your liquor is there in Australia.

00:04:40.000 You have an equivalent to moonshine, right?

00:04:42.000 I don't know, but people often misconstrue the alcohol that we drink.

00:04:47.000 It's a big problem.

00:04:48.000 I know you don't drink Foster's.

00:04:49.000 That's marketed to the States.

00:04:51.000 It's not a thing in Australia that's really respected.

00:04:53.000 We actually generally have territorial beers.

00:04:55.000 So in Queensland, we'll have Great Northern.

00:04:55.000 Okay.

00:04:58.000 In Victoria, they'll have VB, Victoria Bitter, or Carlton Draft.

00:05:02.000 And then in Western Australia, you'll have a beer called Emu.

00:05:05.000 Emu?

00:05:07.000 And what kind of beer is that?

00:05:08.000 It's just a lager, yeah.

00:05:10.000 Is there any history behind Emu, or just some guy just like, I don't know.

00:05:13.000 It wakes.

00:05:14.000 Well, we did have an Emu war in Australia.

00:05:16.000 I'm not sure if you're aware of this. 0.99

00:05:18.000 I'm more so aware that you're a country, a penal colony of murderers and rapists. 0.89

00:05:22.000 And they've lost their respectfully backbone completely in the era of. 0.51

00:05:27.000 COVID and giving up their guns.

00:05:29.000 We used to think of Australians as like these rugged individualists.

00:05:31.000 That's, I mean, the ladies, I guarantee you, are going to love your accent.

00:05:34.000 It's like shooting fish in a barrel in the United States. 1.00

00:05:36.000 But yeah, now when I encounter Australians, it's surprising. 1.00

00:05:41.000 They seem to have more in common with like faggy Europeans than what we picture as, you know, the outback, rugged folk.

00:05:46.000 Yeah, this is another common misconception that Australians are all like outback tough guys, all Steve Irwins or whatever it is. 0.98

00:05:54.000 When Australia is actually pretty much mainly centered around these big metropolitan centers, which is Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, and then Perth and these sorts of places.

00:06:02.000 And then the rest of it is basically just a desert or bush.

00:06:05.000 So the whole middle of Australia is just a huge desert.

00:06:05.000 Yeah.

00:06:08.000 I've driven through it from south to north, and it took me two weeks to do a whole round trip of Australia. 0.90

00:06:14.000 And you can basically drive from one township to another, which is an Aboriginal township, and it'll take you like 12, 15, 16 hours. 0.91

00:06:23.000 When you drive through the middle, like you're talking about, like the brush, the middle of the desert, yeah. 1.00

00:06:27.000 How many animals, insects, or reptiles that could kill you did you see?

00:06:33.000 We saw a camel.

00:06:34.000 Which was interesting.

00:06:35.000 That's uneventful.

00:06:37.000 Like in the average day to day Australia, as a kid, no joke, I used to have nightmares about Australia because I just assumed everything that could sting, envenomate, kill, maim lived in Australia.

00:06:46.000 In your day to day, how much of a concern is it or does it not come up?

00:06:49.000 Not at all.

00:06:50.000 Not at all.

00:06:51.000 I think that America is way more dangerous, right?

00:06:54.000 I'm not talking about people, I'm talking about like the taipans and, you know, like the spiders that you guys have, the funnel web spiders.

00:07:02.000 Like, how, you ever run into those?

00:07:04.000 Never.

00:07:05.000 Never had a concern.

00:07:06.000 If you walk in long grass, if you're not wearing gumboots, then you might have a bit of a problem.

00:07:10.000 But in America, I said the other day, I want to go for a hike because you've got some nice places in America.

00:07:18.000 And then they said, oh, you have to wear long pants and you have to do this and that because you have all these ticks that can come and bite you.

00:07:23.000 And you have all of this poison ivy or whatever you guys call it over here that you get on your skin.

00:07:28.000 You don't have poison ivy in Australia?

00:07:30.000 We might have one here or there.

00:07:30.000 Not to the extent.

00:07:32.000 But in Australia, when I go hiking, I just put my shorts on, my runners, and I can go hiking for days.

00:07:36.000 I don't have to worry about mountain lions.

00:07:38.000 I don't have to worry about bears.

00:07:40.000 Any of these things, the worst I'm going to get is maybe a snake.

00:07:42.000 Well, yeah, but what kind of snake?

00:07:45.000 I saw a tiger snake the other week.

00:07:45.000 That's the thing.

00:07:47.000 Okay.

00:07:48.000 Yeah.

00:07:48.000 Kind of venomous?

00:07:49.000 In Australia?

00:07:50.000 Yeah.

00:07:51.000 Is it kind of venomous?

00:07:51.000 I'm not super familiar with it.

00:07:52.000 They're pretty venomous.

00:07:53.000 They are.

00:07:53.000 Well, there you go.

00:07:54.000 You wouldn't want to get bitten by one.

00:07:55.000 Like compared to the rattlesnake by your name here, like compared to a diamondback, what a tiger snake will be. 1.00

00:08:00.000 Rattlesnake will fuck you up, man. 1.00

00:08:01.000 I know it will. 1.00

00:08:01.000 Yes, it will. 1.00

00:08:02.000 That's why I don't, but I don't know about the tiger snake.

00:08:04.000 I will say in Texas, like, I do miss the woods.

00:08:04.000 That's true, though.

00:08:08.000 I grew up, you know, in the Northeast and then also Michigan, where here there's that thick underbrush.

00:08:13.000 So, you can't really walk through it.

00:08:15.000 Whereas, you know, because of the winters, everything, if you're in Michigan, you can walk through the forest and it's really nice and you don't have to worry about a snake and a spite and stuff that can kill you.

00:08:22.000 So, I will say the American Southwest is probably more comparable to how we picture Australia.

00:08:28.000 I just can't get over the bear thing.

00:08:30.000 The worst thing that you're going to come across in Australia is a crocodile.

00:08:33.000 That's pretty bad, Jay.

00:08:34.000 You don't want to come across a crocodile.

00:08:36.000 That's pretty bad.

00:08:37.000 This is in the Northern Territory, it's in the swamplands.

00:08:41.000 You're not going to come across a crocodile unless you're really looking for trouble.

00:08:43.000 But in America, you can pretty easily come across a black bear.

00:08:47.000 Yeah, but they're not that bad.

00:08:49.000 Which is the worst bear? 1.00

00:08:50.000 Well, okay, so if it's black, fight back. 1.00

00:08:52.000 If it's brown, lay down. 1.00

00:08:54.000 If it's white, good night.

00:08:55.000 Because a polar bear, they hunt humans for fun.

00:08:58.000 But they can be aggressive, but they're more so scavengers.

00:09:00.000 But it is like God made a bunch of animals.

00:09:05.000 And I want to get to sort of your transition from being a libertarian to, because that's why you're here, not here to talk about animals.

00:09:10.000 But I'm fascinated.

00:09:11.000 God made all these animals where a lion will bite, or let's say a jaguar will bite the top of a skull because there's incredible bite pressure, right?

00:09:18.000 It's an ambush predator.

00:09:19.000 A lion will grab your neck and you bleed out.

00:09:21.000 And God was just like, hey, how's the method of, you know, what's the final lethal method of the bear?

00:09:26.000 And God was like, it's so big, whatever.

00:09:28.000 So he just tunnels through you while you're alive and he doesn't care.

00:09:32.000 We didn't have to worry about that, did we?

00:09:34.000 No, that's the thing about a bear.

00:09:35.000 Like, they don't kill you first.

00:09:36.000 It's just they start consuming you, basically, whether you're alive or dead.

00:09:40.000 That's what's so cruel about a bear.

00:09:42.000 Yeah, as an Australian, that scares me.

00:09:44.000 Yeah.

00:09:45.000 Well, I'm scared of everything that you have in Australia.

00:09:47.000 But even more so, I'm scared of the government that you guys have in Australia.

00:09:50.000 I mean, we just, you know, obviously, horrible tragedy, the shooting that had taken place recently.

00:09:56.000 I mean, I say recently, relatively speaking, because in the United States, people always pointed to Australia as an example, right?

00:10:01.000 Like, oh, we could do a buyback.

00:10:02.000 And I've Talked about this for years.

00:10:03.000 Beto O'Rourke pushed that, and people here don't know what mandatory buyback is.

00:10:09.000 And it's really troubling when something like that happens in Australia, and the solution just seems to be yeah, more gun control, and we're going to keep our eye on right wing extremists.

00:10:16.000 Yeah, well, I mean, first of all, the 1996 Port Arthur massacre, there is actually a pretty big question as to whether that was a false flag attack, but that's probably not what we should get into today.

00:10:32.000 But yeah, they did a huge mandatory buyback.

00:10:36.000 And then, actually, what we've seen over the past, you know, however long, is that one of the solutions to the mass shooting recently is that more gun control is actually the answer.

00:10:48.000 It's actually not anything about immigration.

00:10:50.000 It's not anything about inviting people in here to fight an ethnic blood feud of thousands of years on foreign sands into our country.

00:10:59.000 It's probably to do with the fact that we have very little access to guns.

00:10:59.000 It's nothing to do with that.

00:11:03.000 Why do you think your people go along with it?

00:11:05.000 I was raised in Canada.

00:11:06.000 Again, I was born in Detroit, which isn't that much better.

00:11:09.000 But. 0.99

00:11:10.000 Was raised there, and I will say I refer to them as a conquered people. 0.98

00:11:15.000 The big thing is, for better or worse, we had a war for independence here against the world's greatest superpower to become the world's greatest superpower the next century.

00:11:22.000 In Australia, why do you think the people were so easily subjugated?

00:11:27.000 Well, I think you kind of have to look at the general attitudes towards government that we have in Australia.

00:11:34.000 You see, in America, you guys have got the Civil War, you know, you have the war for independence.

00:11:40.000 World War I and II, which you guys were very much involved in.

00:11:43.000 You have Vietnam.

00:11:43.000 I feel like.

00:11:44.000 Involved, and some would say we were the tiebreaker, but yes.

00:11:46.000 Yeah, well, I feel like that's sort of in your veins, though.

00:11:49.000 It's sort of in your blood.

00:11:50.000 You have this spirit where you guys have a desire to fight for freedom, to maintain freedom, and you have this constitution, which everybody knows about and loves.

00:12:00.000 But in Australia, we're just very apathetic about all of these sorts of things because we've never been too overtly involved in a war for our freedom, at least not in a time that we can imagine, or at least not in a time that we can remember.

00:12:13.000 So, World War I, we had the Anzac soldiers who fought in Gallipoli on the beaches of Turkey.

00:12:18.000 We still have that.

00:12:20.000 We have the Anzac Day every single year, and people will commemorate the Anzac soldiers.

00:12:24.000 We've still got the Vietnam War, but I mean, everyone considers it like an unnecessary war.

00:12:30.000 The younger generation isn't connected to that whatsoever.

00:12:30.000 Right.

00:12:33.000 And we've essentially, well, I mean, I went to a funeral of a Vietnam vet, right?

00:12:39.000 And all of his friends were there, and they were all singing the old Vietnam songs.

00:12:43.000 And I walked out of it thinking, Man, these guys had a mateship and a brotherhood and a connectedness to Australian identity that we just are completely and utterly removed from today.

00:12:43.000 And it was pretty touching.

00:12:53.000 Right.

00:12:53.000 Completely removed from.

00:12:55.000 But also, you have to think about the quality of life of Australia.

00:12:59.000 So, if you think about it, we are essentially a geographically isolated country with all of the natural resources that you could possibly imagine.

00:13:08.000 We've always had a pretty homogenous culture.

00:13:11.000 People get paid well.

00:13:13.000 Life is good.

00:13:14.000 And we don't have these big wars in our recent memory or in our nation's sort of founding that define us like you guys do.

00:13:20.000 Right.

00:13:21.000 So, when you think about it like that, it's led Australians to be in a place where we're a very apathetic people when it comes to.

00:13:27.000 When it comes to like times of crisis, that makes sense.

00:13:30.000 And COVID showed this as well.

00:13:32.000 People were basically just completely reliant on the government.

00:13:34.000 They completely trusted the institutions.

00:13:36.000 Yeah, they really did.

00:13:37.000 And they were building camps for the anti vaxxers like myself.

00:13:39.000 Right.

00:13:40.000 I was put in a hotel room for two weeks against my will.

00:13:44.000 They were building camps and then people were protesting against this in the street peacefully.

00:13:50.000 And they released the riot squads on us, they released dog squads, they were getting bashed in the street.

00:13:55.000 And it's not only that the Australians by and large accept it, they were cheering it on.

00:13:59.000 Yeah, that was going to be my next question.

00:14:00.000 Yeah.

00:14:01.000 Is when that happened, were you concerned that, okay, a good portion of my neighbors would rat me out?

00:14:05.000 I also had a follow up question as far as what the Vietnamese, you said they were singing the old Vietnam songs at the funeral.

00:14:10.000 I was like, Hong Hong Ao Ma.

00:14:11.000 Like, I don't know what a Vietnamese is.

00:14:14.000 There's a song called The Band Sang Waltzing Matilda. 1.00

00:14:17.000 Okay.

00:14:18.000 That's a really good one.

00:14:18.000 And if you look at a band called Cold Chisel as well, they've got a song called K Sallin.

00:14:23.000 It's a real famous song in Australia.

00:14:23.000 Have you ever heard of that?

00:14:23.000 Okay.

00:14:25.000 I hear it's very big in Sheboygan, so I don't.

00:14:27.000 Yeah, I have no idea.

00:14:28.000 But no, that makes sense.

00:14:29.000 There's lack of a.

00:14:30.000 So, really.

00:14:31.000 And that kind of brings you going libertarian to sort of, I don't want to say mislabel Christian nationalist because I don't want you to be put in cuffs when you go back to Australia.

00:14:39.000 But yeah, lack of a national identity, which may explain why, in my experience, contrary to Europeans or even Canadians, Australians, even though they lean left, they're thoughtless on politics, I would say.

00:14:51.000 They don't have the rabid anti Americanism that you see in Europe.

00:14:54.000 They tend to be pretty much okay if they see American tourists and stuff, in my experience, when I encounter them on the road.

00:15:00.000 Does that fit?

00:15:01.000 Or do they hate Americans just behind our back?

00:15:03.000 No, we tend to. 1.00

00:15:05.000 I think the biggest problem that they would have with Americans is that Americans are just sort of considered a little bit stupid. 1.00

00:15:11.000 And this is sort of a caricature that's painted of Americans in the other Western countries, is that they're all basically just hillbillies. 1.00

00:15:20.000 So, World Star doesn't help, but yes.

00:15:22.000 Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, yeah.

00:15:23.000 So, that would be the only thing, but I don't think they have any major problems with America necessarily.

00:15:29.000 Yeah.

00:15:30.000 So, nope, cultural identity.

00:15:32.000 How do you go from tell people kind of your story?

00:15:34.000 Because your channel grew pretty fast.

00:15:35.000 And we've often talked about it.

00:15:36.000 I don't know if someone could grow a YouTube channel these days.

00:15:39.000 You know, I got my channel started and started growing, I guess I should say, treated like a job in 2008.

00:15:45.000 And the ecosystem is so different.

00:15:47.000 Back then it was YouTube.

00:15:49.000 Now it's pretty dominated by legacy media, you know, a lot of their channels and a lot of the sort of content that they put out there.

00:15:55.000 But you've grown pretty fast in the last couple of years.

00:15:58.000 As Andrew was telling me, and I've watched quite a bit of your content, but I didn't really sort of give an origin story.

00:16:03.000 You were more libertarian.

00:16:05.000 And now I know you do a lot of the debate content, but would you say Christian nationalist, and I don't mean white nationalist, is more of an apt description?

00:16:13.000 And how do you get there from libertarian in Australia?

00:16:16.000 Well, insofar as Christian nationalism is defined within the circles of people who would call themselves Christian nationalists and who aren't sort of using the term, I would say, yeah, Christian nationalist in the sense that I think that in white Christian Western countries, there should be Christian people who are able to govern according to their Christian sensibilities.

00:16:36.000 Right.

00:16:37.000 So that's what I think that Christian nationalism essentially is.

00:16:39.000 So, how did you go from libertarian to that?

00:16:41.000 Is there a strong kind of undercurrent of that in Australia at all?

00:16:45.000 Or are people apathetic?

00:16:46.000 Because, like, we'll get into Red Pill and the Manosphere.

00:16:48.000 In the United States, there's so many, it's like the top 40 list.

00:16:51.000 It's not the same.

00:16:51.000 People kind of have their own thing they listen to or what they watch.

00:16:54.000 You're never going to get Johnny Carson ratings again.

00:16:56.000 But if, like you say, in Australia, people aren't super involved, is that even an identity or a movement that's mainstream in Australia?

00:17:02.000 No, not at all.

00:17:03.000 Not at all.

00:17:04.000 Now, Australian politics is a very interesting one.

00:17:05.000 We can sort of get into the different factions and political movements that are arising in Australia and the sort of dialectic that's going on there.

00:17:12.000 But in terms of how I came to it, I mean, I was a pretty staunch, no, not even pretty.

00:17:18.000 I didn't really know what I was. 0.99

00:17:19.000 I was kind of a moron, basically. 0.97

00:17:21.000 But I didn't really know anything about politics. 0.98

00:17:23.000 All libertarians kind of.

00:17:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:17:25.000 Like I was, I just said it, I would be classified more, but I never identified as one.

00:17:29.000 But when you look at libertarianism, you're like, all right.

00:17:33.000 I mean, at a certain point, like black tar heroin in every vending machine, this doesn't work.

00:17:38.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:17:38.000 And there are some great examples that you can give of that in debates.

00:17:41.000 But so I had no interest in politics until basically COVID.

00:17:46.000 And then actually, I started listening to a lot of your content around that time, maybe just before.

00:17:50.000 And I was listening to a lot of Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro, these sorts of things.

00:17:54.000 But before then, I was an atheist liberal.

00:17:57.000 So, I basically just went with all of the different cultural conditioning.

00:18:00.000 Now, were you, yeah, I was going to say, were you sort of default or were you aggressively, like you were willing to defend? 0.99

00:18:05.000 No, I was basically a moron. 0.97

00:18:07.000 I was one of those people who you'd walk up to in the street and be like, why do you think that abortion should be legal up until nine months? 0.99

00:18:14.000 Because women's rights.

00:18:15.000 Right, okay. 0.97

00:18:16.000 Yeah, I mean, I would never have taken a stand because I just didn't really care.

00:18:19.000 Yeah.

00:18:19.000 But then.

00:18:20.000 You were probably too busy crushing s. 1.00

00:18:23.000 But the reason why I was going, taking these positions was to attract the s. 0.97

00:18:29.000 You know? 1.00

00:18:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:18:31.000 I would imagine you do quite well in Australia.

00:18:32.000 You're a good looking guy.

00:18:33.000 And obviously, I know that you were a personal trainer and you boxed.

00:18:36.000 I would imagine you do exceedingly well in the United States.

00:18:39.000 I don't really get out that much.

00:18:41.000 Yeah.

00:18:41.000 I don't really get out that much.

00:18:42.000 But I don't know.

00:18:44.000 Christian nationalists, you're not supposed to lie.

00:18:46.000 You're not supposed to lie.

00:18:47.000 Women here love the Australian accent.

00:18:49.000 They do.

00:18:49.000 I have noticed that.

00:18:50.000 It's a big thing.

00:18:51.000 Whereas in Australia, you're just one of many.

00:18:51.000 Yeah.

00:18:53.000 Do they like the American accent in Australia or no?

00:18:55.000 They like it a lot.

00:18:55.000 They do.

00:18:56.000 They do.

00:18:56.000 Yeah.

00:18:57.000 But yeah, I mean, I think the only reason why I took atheist liberal talking points was to impress, like, Chicks back in the day. 1.00

00:19:03.000 Yeah, I'm in. 1.00

00:19:03.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:19:04.000 I'm for all this social right stuff.

00:19:05.000 Have you ever heard of the sneaky f? 0.99

00:19:08.000 Is that Sneako? 0.91

00:19:10.000 No. 0.77

00:19:11.000 Because he is one, but no, I don't.

00:19:13.000 If he has an actual name.

00:19:15.000 I'll get into more of my transition.

00:19:18.000 It's okay, too. 1.00

00:19:19.000 Ladies don't care because you have the accent. 1.00

00:19:21.000 They're not going to hold it against you. 1.00

00:19:22.000 I'll get into my transition story soon.

00:19:24.000 But so basically, the sneaky f, this is a term that I got from Gad Saad, actually.

00:19:29.000 I heard him talking about it once, is a zoological term.

00:19:32.000 For pufferfish and a few other different animal species, where basically what the beta phenotype, because you have the alpha and the beta phenotypes in these sorts of, whether or not you believe in those hierarchies, in these animal kingdoms.

00:19:45.000 And so there'll be the alpha pufferfish, for example, and he will have access to all of the females.

00:19:50.000 And then what the beta phenotype pufferfish will do is instead of trying to compete in the hierarchy, he'll try and morph himself to actually look like the female to try and bypass the alpha and mate with the females.

00:20:01.000 And I think this is a perfect.

00:20:03.000 Perfect representation of male feminists and of male liberals because oftentimes they grow their hair, they start to wear sort of like colorful wavy shirts, they start to adopt feminine talking points. 1.00

00:20:13.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:20:14.000 And then they think that this is a way for them to get essentially.

00:20:18.000 They get bloated.

00:20:18.000 Yes.

00:20:19.000 I didn't know that about pufferfish.

00:20:19.000 Yeah.

00:20:21.000 I didn't know that it was, I knew about this sort of hierarchy.

00:20:25.000 And there is, to be fair, when people talk about wolves and dogs, because now you have people say there is no alpha.

00:20:29.000 And the truth is, there's more, you're looking at these archetypes.

00:20:34.000 Top of the pack, kind of middle of the pack, back of the pack dog.

00:20:34.000 There's more.

00:20:37.000 There isn't really just one alpha.

00:20:39.000 Like people think that, okay, you're going to be taken out the moment you're even remotely seen as impervious.

00:20:45.000 No, the truth is, there are dogs that can kind of be in positions of leadership.

00:20:48.000 They still have to work together as a unit.

00:20:49.000 Yeah.

00:20:50.000 So it's not as rigid as people may present it, like, I'm an alpha bro, but it's certainly not this idea.

00:20:56.000 I also do think that you can look at the UFC heavyweight division and then you can look at the sneaky and you can ascertain some sort of a male dominance hierarchy.

00:21:05.000 You can look at the heavyweight division and then look at the flyweight division.

00:21:05.000 Pretty much.

00:21:08.000 It's like, well, congratulations.

00:21:08.000 Yeah.

00:21:10.000 You're the toughest guy at a 14 year old girl's slumber party.

00:21:13.000 Yeah.

00:21:14.000 Because there still are quite a few divisions above you.

00:21:16.000 It doesn't make it any less impressive as far as skill.

00:21:19.000 So that's why you did it.

00:21:20.000 And then COVID.

00:21:22.000 Yeah.

00:21:22.000 So how do you get to libertarian from that?

00:21:24.000 And then how do you get to Christian nationalist?

00:21:25.000 Well, because then I started looking into more of the political issues and I started watching guys like yourself and Tim Poole and the Daily Wire and these sorts of things.

00:21:34.000 Jordan Peterson was a huge influence on me.

00:21:35.000 Yeah.

00:21:36.000 As he was so many young men of my generation until he started, you know, going into unsolvable problems, but that's a different conversation.

00:21:43.000 But he was huge, hugely impactful on me.

00:21:47.000 And then you don't really just jump from one thing to another.

00:21:50.000 Then I started getting, calling myself a libertarian, saying that I'm, um, Socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

00:21:56.000 Oh my God.

00:21:57.000 I didn't even think I knew what fiscal meant. 0.93

00:21:58.000 And you still had one foot in the puss camp. 1.00

00:22:01.000 Where you're like, I still like being swarmed with lady parts, but I want to kind of. 1.00

00:22:01.000 Yes. 1.00

00:22:06.000 Yeah, I get it.

00:22:06.000 Well, I mean, but it is ostracizing once you actually take it to its logical conclusion.

00:22:10.000 Yes.

00:22:11.000 Take the truth to its logical conclusion.

00:22:12.000 You get ostracized.

00:22:13.000 And in Australia, hugely ostracized.

00:22:16.000 Like they would think I'm an actual Nazi in Australia because of my worldview.

00:22:20.000 They would think that I'm an imminent danger because I believe in Christian values. 0.96

00:22:24.000 Right.

00:22:25.000 So, anyways.

00:22:28.000 Australia, forgive me, is there any type of history rooted in Christianity as a basis of government at all?

00:22:33.000 I know, obviously, in England, the Church of England, which we sort of rebelled against. 0.92

00:22:37.000 I'm not super familiar, aside from the fact that it's a penal colony of rapists and murderers.

00:22:41.000 Yeah, well, I mean, it was settled by the British, and the British, it was settled by Protestant Brits, the Church of England sort of thing. 0.53

00:22:48.000 So we have a, and up until the 1960s, we had a white Australia policy, which basically means that we only accepted immigrants from white European Christian countries.

00:22:56.000 Up until the 80s?

00:22:57.000 Up until the 60s.

00:22:58.000 Oh, until the 60s.

00:22:59.000 Yeah.

00:23:00.000 So then they reverse that.

00:23:02.000 It's sort of similar to the Immigration Act of 1965 in the United States.

00:23:06.000 Well, it's one thing to hear that a lot of people don't even take into account.

00:23:10.000 They just think, yeah, it's all the same.

00:23:12.000 I read the poem on the Statue of Liberty.

00:23:14.000 It's like, do you think the Founding Fathers would have had a chip in their brain for.

00:23:17.000 They didn't even want Catholics to sign the Declaration.

00:23:20.000 You think they would have been okay with people who say jihad is the only way?

00:23:24.000 Yeah, it's interesting because people never take into account the cultural context, right?

00:23:30.000 So.

00:23:31.000 The context of the time when the founders were writing their founding documents, 18th century, the idea that Muslims or Hindus could eventually come and run for office in America was just a total impossibility.

00:23:47.000 The Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads and these sort of Hindu documents had maybe just started to circulate around Europe at these times. 0.97

00:23:55.000 And Islam was a total backwater at that time. 1.00

00:23:58.000 We were like, wait, not those guys who we had to literally make leather necks. 0.99

00:24:01.000 For folks out there in the ships to protect them from being decapitated.

00:24:01.000 Yeah.

00:24:04.000 They're not coming here, are they?

00:24:06.000 Yeah.

00:24:06.000 And you'd be like, yeah, just wait a couple hundred years.

00:24:08.000 Exactly.

00:24:09.000 So the idea that they could come and, like, you could have Zoran Mumdani.

00:24:13.000 I know.

00:24:14.000 And all of these people running for office and winning in New York was totally foreign.

00:24:17.000 So, I mean, cultural context is required.

00:24:20.000 But yeah, no, Australia does have a Christian heritage and a Christian lineage.

00:24:24.000 And we were a very Christian country up until, you know, a few decades ago.

00:24:27.000 And just like the rest of the places, it's just going downhill.

00:24:30.000 We used to have communities and churches and people gathering on Sundays and these sorts of things.

00:24:35.000 Yeah.

00:24:35.000 Well, I wonder if it's, you know, a big reason for sort of Protestantism in the United States or being sort of, I hate to say, anti sort of orthodoxy.

00:24:47.000 It is kind of central because we were rebelling against the Church of England in order to preserve faith because we saw how it was corrupt.

00:24:53.000 I mean, Catholicism was effectively the state religion in Quebec where I was raised, and in Europe you have the Church of England.

00:24:58.000 Anywhere you have a state enforced denomination, faith dies.

00:25:02.000 The United States didn't, although we made sure that everyone should at least, we thought, would be in no uncertain terms like this constitution only works for a moral people.

00:25:14.000 I just think it was sort of assumed at that point.

00:25:15.000 Like you said, there's a lot they couldn't take into account.

00:25:18.000 Like, come on, people who want to subvert the entire government.

00:25:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:25:21.000 We're not going to allow that religion in, but here we are. 1.00

00:25:24.000 And I always wonder, too, why it's so. 0.99

00:25:26.000 I mean, you'll see these cathedrals and churches that are older than this country when you go to Europe or even places in Canada, completely empty.

00:25:33.000 Completely empty.

00:25:34.000 Much older than the country as well.

00:25:35.000 Yeah.

00:25:36.000 So, okay.

00:25:36.000 So you go to libertarian.

00:25:37.000 Yeah.

00:25:38.000 And then you become how do you go from libertarian?

00:25:40.000 So you said COVID to sort of more Christian nationalist.

00:25:42.000 And again, for people, it's Rattlesnake TV.

00:25:44.000 Rattlesnake TV.

00:25:45.000 All right.

00:25:45.000 Okay.

00:25:47.000 So I was not only libertarian during the first maybe few hundred thousand subscribers of my YouTube channel, even.

00:25:55.000 I was also pretty red pill.

00:25:57.000 Like, I was pretty heavily into the red pill movement.

00:26:00.000 I liked Andrew Tatel.

00:26:01.000 I still like Andrew Tate.

00:26:02.000 You know, like, I have a lot of more disagreements with him these days.

00:26:05.000 But, you know, I was big into Tate and like Fresh and Fit.

00:26:08.000 And I still like Myron.

00:26:08.000 I think that he's a cool guy.

00:26:11.000 But we have disagreements about prescriptions, obviously.

00:26:13.000 But I was very much into the libertarian stuff, very much into the red pill stuff.

00:26:17.000 And then there was sort of a fork in the road that happened for me because I then encountered Andrew Wilson, who's a friend of both of ours, obviously, helped to line this up today.

00:26:25.000 Yeah.

00:26:25.000 Good man.

00:26:26.000 And a prick, but a good man. 0.99

00:26:28.000 Yeah, a good man and a prick. 0.99

00:26:31.000 Yeah, I like that. 0.95

00:26:32.000 The two are not mutually exclusive.

00:26:33.000 A lot of people don't understand the space.

00:26:34.000 Yeah, it's not a contradiction. 0.98

00:26:35.000 He can be a total prick. 0.66

00:26:36.000 He's actually pretty sweet. 0.98

00:26:37.000 He's very, very polite, but he's not the kind of guy who will fake you out just to be polite.

00:26:43.000 But a good man, but prickly.

00:26:45.000 Let's put it that way.

00:26:45.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:26:47.000 So, anyways, I had him on my channel because I saw him do that Matt Dillahunty debate.

00:26:51.000 And I'd had a few Christians on my channel before that.

00:26:53.000 My friend Brandon from a channel called The Daily Dose of Wisdom, really great guy and everything.

00:26:57.000 And we had a good chat about Christianity.

00:26:59.000 He started to get me thinking about it a little bit more seriously because of the arguments that he presented.

00:27:05.000 But then, when I got to my conversation with Andrew, he kind of smacked me between the eyes.

00:27:12.000 Yeah.

00:27:12.000 He wasn't going to let you off.

00:27:13.000 Yeah.

00:27:14.000 And I, you know, my libertarian sort of traits were seeping out during the interview a little bit.

00:27:20.000 And he was like, Yeah, see, man, there, you're like, you're a feminist. 0.76

00:27:23.000 You're like, you're swimming in the water of feminism. 1.00

00:27:24.000 I was like, Hold on a second. 1.00

00:27:25.000 I'm not a feminist. 0.99

00:27:26.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:26.000 I'm based, you know?

00:27:28.000 And then we talked about it more.

00:27:30.000 And then he goes, All right, well, next time you're going to come on my channel and I'm going to beat the libertarian out of you.

00:27:36.000 And then I actually went on and did a debate with Jim Bob on his channel about libertarianism or about something along those lines.

00:27:43.000 And by this time, I'd already sort of really started to rethink it.

00:27:46.000 Yeah.

00:27:47.000 So then I went down more of a different debate.

00:27:50.000 Like before, I was really interested in debates, but I was more covering guys like Douglas Murray and Jordan Peterson and all these sorts of people.

00:27:56.000 But then I started to get into the religious debates and into the Christian debates. 0.92

00:28:00.000 And I don't know if you'll remember this time, right, when the atheists were so pervasive online.

00:28:05.000 You had Christopher Hitchens, you had Richard Dawkins.

00:28:08.000 I remember how early on there was that guy, the amazing atheist, on YouTube.

00:28:11.000 Like when I was there, there were no Christians, it wasn't a thing.

00:28:14.000 So basically, what it was was just compilations of atheists dunking on Christians.

00:28:18.000 Right. 0.99

00:28:19.000 And all of these hitch slaps, right? 1.00

00:28:21.000 And I used to love that shit, dude. 1.00

00:28:22.000 I used to eat it up. 1.00

00:28:23.000 Well, he's a very smart guy, very skilled guy.

00:28:23.000 Sure, he was.

00:28:25.000 Yeah.

00:28:25.000 But then what happened was I started to understand the rules of debate a bit more because I think that debate is essentially like a chess match.

00:28:32.000 And then you have only limited moves.

00:28:32.000 Right.

00:28:35.000 So you can't grab your pawn and move five steps ahead because that's.

00:28:38.000 Sorry, what was that?

00:28:39.000 You can't grab your pawn.

00:28:41.000 Pawn.

00:28:41.000 Your pawn.

00:28:42.000 Because I guarantee you, there are some other people now who have other tabs of porn.

00:28:46.000 We'll use a castle.

00:28:50.000 You can't grab your castle and move diagonally, right?

00:28:52.000 That would be a fallacy, essentially, in debate.

00:28:54.000 You only have limited moves, and you're constrained by the laws of logic, and you're constrained by fallacies.

00:29:00.000 So I started to look into debate a little bit more thoroughly and start to look into the rules of debate, the laws of logic, all these sorts of things. 0.94

00:29:07.000 And then I went back and looked at the debates with Hitchens and all these Christians. 0.89

00:29:13.000 And I realized that Hitchens was basically just a rhetoric machine. 0.96

00:29:17.000 He didn't actually make many logical, grounded arguments.

00:29:20.000 All he did was use rhetoric.

00:29:21.000 And he was an absolute expert.

00:29:23.000 And he was very funny.

00:29:24.000 He was very quick at this.

00:29:25.000 Very witty, very charming.

00:29:26.000 And I will tell you, it's also easy to contrast.

00:29:29.000 And he's been a friend of the show, but Dinesh D'Souza, who comes across as very robotic.

00:29:33.000 And like, well, that's actually inaccurate.

00:29:35.000 And like, well, you know, packy, or whatever he says.

00:29:38.000 He didn't say that, but you know what I mean?

00:29:40.000 And you're like, oh, okay, I like this guy.

00:29:42.000 Yeah, he was.

00:29:45.000 Continue with this.

00:29:45.000 Mine was very similar, only I'm pretty, people say I'm reductive.

00:29:48.000 I really liked Hitchens, and it was 2009 where I watched a video of him being waterboarded.

00:29:53.000 I think it was a video already.

00:29:54.000 And then he was like, That's absolutely torture. 1.00

00:29:55.000 I was like, pussy. 1.00

00:29:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:29:57.000 And that's when I got off the train.

00:29:59.000 So similar, but mine was much faster.

00:29:59.000 Yeah, dude.

00:30:02.000 So, yeah, I mean, different strokes for different folks, you know.

00:30:04.000 I think, like, the being a puss during the waterboard is a totally fair reason to discount someone's point. 0.56

00:30:09.000 To be fair, no, mine was, I was going, your argument.

00:30:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:13.000 And this is 2009.

00:30:13.000 I remember it was at the PJTV studios.

00:30:15.000 I remember saying, So, your argument was predicated on the idea that waterboarding must not be that unpleasant?

00:30:21.000 That should change nothing.

00:30:21.000 Yeah.

00:30:22.000 In other words, are you at risk of death?

00:30:25.000 The answer is no.

00:30:26.000 Has the method changed?

00:30:27.000 The answer is no.

00:30:28.000 You just experienced it and realized it's unpleasant.

00:30:30.000 No one was ever arguing that waterboarding is anything other than unpleasant.

00:30:34.000 We were saying that we think that given the alternative option of a building being blown up, it's a viable method.

00:30:42.000 And we can have that argument or not.

00:30:43.000 But I just remember saying in my head, I can't believe you changed your stance based on that.

00:30:48.000 And in that moment, I was like, okay, I'm going to have to look at it much more critically.

00:30:48.000 Yeah.

00:30:51.000 So continue with your.

00:30:51.000 But I remember my moment with Hitchens.

00:30:53.000 Well, I mean, Hitchens is such a fascinating character because he's obviously a brilliant guy.

00:30:53.000 That was it.

00:30:57.000 Yeah.

00:30:58.000 And his literary ability is absolutely, I think, second to none in terms of the last few decades or the last generation.

00:31:04.000 I'd agree.

00:31:04.000 Because his ability to write.

00:31:06.000 There's a documentary that he did about.

00:31:09.000 And there's one part of the documentary where he's detailing that when he's going in to view the room in which his mother committed suicide.

00:31:16.000 Because his mother had essentially a suicide pact with her lover at the time.

00:31:20.000 And they went to Greece.

00:31:21.000 And they enacted this suicide pact.

00:31:24.000 And he describes it in this way where he's receiving the phone call and then he goes to Greece.

00:31:29.000 He walks into the room, he sees the crime scene essentially, and then he walks out and he sees the Parthenon.

00:31:37.000 And just like the way that he describes it is brilliant.

00:31:40.000 So, not to discredit him for being a very intelligent guy, but it's interesting because I have a few friends who knew him.

00:31:48.000 I interviewed Douglas Wilson on my channel.

00:31:50.000 Douglas Wilson had a close relationship and debated him as well.

00:31:50.000 Okay.

00:31:54.000 So, Douglas Wilson said that at the end of Hitch's life, he was at least had a foot in the door.

00:32:00.000 He was at least asking the question.

00:32:03.000 He was past that whole atheist thing.

00:32:05.000 And then I knew a few other people as well who were close friends with Hitch.

00:32:08.000 And I've always been really fascinated by him.

00:32:10.000 So, this is why I'm interested to know people who knew him.

00:32:14.000 And I spoke to these other people, and they said that Hitchens, the reason why he went down this atheist line was because essentially he was an intellectual heavyweight who wanted the biggest challenge possible.

00:32:26.000 He felt like because you know, he went around throughout his entire career going to the Middle East and he was very much into the whole Kurdish issue and these sorts of things.

00:32:35.000 He went all around the world and he was a campaigner for various different human rights issues around the world.

00:32:41.000 And I feel like what they were trying to tell me is that essentially he got bored of all those things and he's like, who's the biggest and baddest dude that I can fight?

00:32:48.000 Right.

00:32:49.000 It's the God issue.

00:32:50.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:32:51.000 And he wanted to tackle that.

00:32:53.000 And so Andrew was the one who made you beat the libertarian?

00:32:57.000 Yeah, well, he did.

00:32:58.000 But I guess what I was saying before in terms of the rules of debate and the chessboard and these sorts of things, like once you start to understand actual formal logic, And once you start to understand philosophy a little bit more, I feel like you're just lying to yourself if you don't eventually come to the conclusion that at least conservatism is true.

00:33:18.000 Tradition is necessary, but then Christianity is actually the most logically coherent worldview.

00:33:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:26.000 No, I think that's absolutely true.

00:33:27.000 And then people will poke holes through it.

00:33:29.000 I mean, I was on.

00:33:30.000 I remember the first time I was on Joe Rogan's show, I did it like four, either four or five times.

00:33:35.000 And the first time I was like, I just don't want to get onto the Christian thing, where I would always argue from a more pragmatic standpoint just because.

00:33:43.000 My thought was, I'm not going to get this person, you know, they're not going to have a road to Damascus moment with me, but I can sort of present it logically and then work, you know, behind the scenes to try and present a good example.

00:33:53.000 And he said something about, like, so do we want to get into the imaginary, you know, guy who you follow who, you know, something like that.

00:33:59.000 And I said, like, Joe, do we have, let's just not do this, the way you load that.

00:34:04.000 And now we see he's going to church.

00:34:05.000 I don't know if he's in a Bible study.

00:34:06.000 I know Theo Vaughn is, where at least it's culturally, except it wasn't, sorry, there's fizz in this.

00:34:11.000 It's Topo Chico, so that's why I have a little bit.

00:34:12.000 And by the way, anyone else like that we're dressed like we're in a militia together, me and Jake?

00:34:16.000 I know.

00:34:16.000 We didn't plan this.

00:34:17.000 I was like, ah, you are ingrained.

00:34:18.000 Well, that's fine.

00:34:21.000 So, back then, there was no option, really. 0.82

00:34:24.000 There were no, not only conservatives, but Christians online.

00:34:27.000 And it was presented as though it was illogical, right? 0.92

00:34:29.000 Spaghetti monster was a thing. 0.98

00:34:32.000 And then, when you started going in through the history, I noticed a change when people would say, you know what, I'm not a Christian, but I understand the value in preserving a society when they saw not only secularism, but how that created a vacuum that was filled by Islam. 0.97

00:34:46.000 What we now maybe know as wokeness, you know, back then it would be seen as, I just called it always leftism. 0.89

00:34:52.000 Then it was SJW, it was kind of a thing.

00:34:54.000 It always sort of takes a new term.

00:34:56.000 I've seen a lot of people come to it through that and then go, okay, so we can't fill a vacuum with nothing.

00:35:02.000 So how do we prevent nothing, right, from happening in the first place, sort of going back to the never ending story?

00:35:08.000 Okay, well, we got to keep Christianity then, because it kind of is a binary choice, you know, Christianity or something else, right?

00:35:14.000 And we decided to go, something else was nothing, and then that gets filled by something stronger.

00:35:18.000 But yeah, but proselytizing on YouTube back then was a fruitless endeavor.

00:35:22.000 Yeah, I feel like the age of the internet and social media kind of led to this rise and people getting more used to having the short fix dopamine hits.

00:35:32.000 And then I also, like the way I've observed it, is that it's kind of gone full circle because initially what you had was all of these sound bites of atheists destroying Christians.

00:35:43.000 And it kind of feels intentional when I look back at it now because so much of this generation was subverted by that and so many of them.

00:35:49.000 Parrot the same talking points without even thinking about it.

00:35:52.000 You always hear Christianity is so illogical, you believe in some sort of a Sky Daddy spaghetti man.

00:35:58.000 Not bothering to get into any of the arguments about the telos or not bothering to get into any metaphysics, not bothering to get into any history, church history, anything like that.

00:36:08.000 Basically just sound bites and talking points. 1.00

00:36:10.000 And it illustrates the retardation of our generation. 0.99

00:36:15.000 Then it's kind of come back around because I do feel as though at this time there are more people engaging with long form. 1.00

00:36:22.000 Debates, but also there are more people looking at the world around them and realizing that there is no essential meaning to their life.

00:36:31.000 So, if you're just going through the motions all the time and you're just going to your job and then you're coming home and then you don't really ever look up at the sky and think what the hell is going on up there, you're sort of detaching yourself from this internal yearning that I feel as though we all have to be a part of something greater and that there is something greater out there and that there is a meaning to life.

00:36:52.000 And I don't know if this is necessarily an argument, but I think that we kind of all just internally have that yearning.

00:37:02.000 It's going to break free somehow.

00:37:02.000 Oh, yeah.

00:37:04.000 There's a God, you know, people always say there's a God shaped hole in everyone's heart, and that's kind of a, you know, a cliche, but it is true. 1.00

00:37:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:37:10.000 Yeah.

00:37:11.000 You know, before even Red Pill was a thing.

00:37:13.000 And by the way, we can, I also want to get into that because I'm curious because you said, you know, you wanted to impress the ladies, but then you went Red Pill before Christian. 1.00

00:37:20.000 I'm curious as to how that works with feminists in Australia. 0.99

00:37:22.000 But I interviewed Cassie J., did that film, the Red Pill movie.

00:37:25.000 That's what it was called early on, was really more about just men's rights in general.

00:37:30.000 She set out to sort of disprove it and sort of learned about custody battles and what was going on in the court system.

00:37:35.000 And learned about back then, really just affirmative action and STEM fields.

00:37:39.000 And actually, I don't even know what she's doing now. 0.65

00:37:40.000 I think she got, I think when she was on my show, she was like, Yeah, I understand men's rights, but she was still an atheist.

00:37:47.000 And I think now she's married and has kids and did what a lot of female commentators should do, which is go off and actually have a family as opposed to staying in front of the camera.

00:37:54.000 But I do remember that kind of coming up.

00:37:57.000 And I remember on the show Parks and Rec, just to give you an idea how it was treated initially, Amy Poehler, some guy was created as a caricature and he said, I'm like, men's rights.

00:38:07.000 And she just said, Okay, that's not a thing.

00:38:09.000 Yeah.

00:38:09.000 And that was how Hollywood viewed it.

00:38:10.000 And that was how it was viewed at one point in time.

00:38:12.000 And then the momentum shifted.

00:38:13.000 And I don't necessarily know how we got to this.

00:38:15.000 But how did you go to Red Pill then before we even get to Christian?

00:38:19.000 Because that was an evolution that I watched happen in real time.

00:38:22.000 And then I just saw a lot of people jump on it.

00:38:25.000 Right.

00:38:26.000 Well, the thing that is really attractive about the Red Pill, I find, is that there is a serious vacuum that's opened up, a serious almost like influence vacuum that's opened up in modern culture because we are really lacking father figures and we're really lacking that sort of.

00:38:41.000 Archetypal male.

00:38:42.000 Not only have the fathers been taken out of the homes, but the fathers have also been pussified, the ones that are in the homes. 1.00

00:38:48.000 And then also, all of the role models that you would look to on TV, Bruce Willis, Die Hard, all these sorts of characters, are all being replaced with black trans women. 0.98

00:38:57.000 And that is essentially leaving men homeless, ideologically homeless. 0.99

00:39:04.000 And all men look for this.

00:39:06.000 All men look for guidance.

00:39:08.000 They all want mentors and all these sorts of things.

00:39:10.000 My dad died when I was 19.

00:39:12.000 And the first thing that I did, I had a really rough period after that.

00:39:16.000 But then, one of the first things that I did, and I didn't even know that I was doing this until I looked back on it in hindsight, was I started searching for male role models.

00:39:23.000 And this is when I met my boxing coach in London.

00:39:26.000 And he was, for the next four years, basically just blood, sweat, and tears, just training boxing.

00:39:30.000 And I would never miss a session.

00:39:32.000 But what I was looking for was that father figure.

00:39:34.000 What I was looking for was the person to actually mentor me and guide me because young men need that.

00:39:34.000 Right.

00:39:40.000 So I think that there's a similar thing going on here with the red pill.

00:39:43.000 All of these young guys, they haven't necessarily been taught about how to sort of, like Jordan Peterson sort of says, stand up straight with your shoulders back, have some confidence, think about who you could be and aim single mindedly at that.

00:39:55.000 All of these fantastic pieces of advice that he gives.

00:39:58.000 They don't hear that rudimentary advice.

00:40:00.000 That's why he was so popular.

00:40:01.000 But then the reason why the red pill is so popular is because we are totally and utterly void of male role models. 1.00

00:40:07.000 And then what fills that void or attempts to fill that void is feminism and is female messaging and conditioning, which is out of touch with reality. 1.00

00:40:15.000 So they can't fill that void. 1.00

00:40:16.000 Oh, yeah.

00:40:17.000 So then what.

00:40:18.000 What the red pill content creators realized is that there's a whole generation of young men who have no idea about female nature, who have no idea how to act around women, and who are feeling totally disenfranchised.

00:40:30.000 Because in society, we need incentives, right?

00:40:34.000 So if you're looking at a whole generation of young men, you need to have incentives there for them to freaking create the power lines and to do all of the infrastructure under the roads and to create the civilization that we live in.

00:40:47.000 And if we don't have those incentives, what is the incentive?

00:40:49.000 Well, essentially, it's always been to have a family and to have access to females and to have children and to have a legacy and to have purpose.

00:40:57.000 And this is missing from guys' lives.

00:40:59.000 And it's like the very seedbed of that is dating.

00:41:03.000 And this is what the red pill has caught on to.

00:41:04.000 Right.

00:41:05.000 Because you can talk about family and kids and go out and have a family, but the seedbed of that is dating.

00:41:09.000 It's interpersonal relationships and intersexual dynamics between men and women.

00:41:13.000 Right.

00:41:13.000 So we have to start there.

00:41:14.000 And that's what the red pill kind of.

00:41:15.000 And finding someone who you would want to start a family with.

00:41:18.000 That's a big issue, too.

00:41:18.000 Yes.

00:41:20.000 I mean, there was a book called Wild at Heart.

00:41:22.000 This was something that was pretty popular in the Protestant church where it talks about how every boy needs, you know, a dragon to slay, a princess to rescue.

00:41:28.000 You know, obviously these were allegorical.

00:41:31.000 And it's tough with the dragon to slay, like, really, I guess you kind of replace that with, you know, The workplace, sometimes there's actual war, but very often, more often than not, we're not fighting a war.

00:41:39.000 But then a princess to rescue, that's like, okay, have you looked at the state of the dating pool in a lot of modern women?

00:41:47.000 A princess to rescue, I'm not getting that.

00:41:50.000 And so, what's it all for?

00:41:51.000 Like, what are you even fighting for?

00:41:53.000 And a lot of men checking out.

00:41:55.000 And I think the prescriptions are really bad from a lot of people, which is why I thought that Andrew was pretty helpful as an Orthodox Christian who, even though he's bombastic, people might say, like, if you actually listen to what he's saying, he's saying, no, don't go out and be hyperly promiscuous.

00:42:07.000 Saying, actually, these are the things that are rewarding and meaningful.

00:42:10.000 And people will just say he's a chauvinist anyway.

00:42:12.000 But how do you get there if at that point in time you're just trying to get more chicks and you're a libertarian?

00:42:18.000 How do you get to, oh, okay, now I care about meaning in life?

00:42:21.000 Because it would seem you're set.

00:42:23.000 You're a tall guy.

00:42:24.000 You do well for yourself.

00:42:25.000 The ladies are all over you.

00:42:27.000 You're boxing. 1.00

00:42:28.000 Why?

00:42:29.000 Most people think red pill is like for guys who struggle to meet women.

00:42:32.000 Well, I mean, I've had my own sort of different dilemmas and issues with dating over the time.

00:42:37.000 You, you, yeah, which of the nine to sleep with?

00:42:40.000 Come on, yeah, well, not here in the states, you don't. 0.88

00:42:43.000 My, I'd say my first few relationships and everything that I had, I would very much lean into the feminist messaging because it's kind of all that I knew, right?

00:42:51.000 And uh, it ended up going really badly for me. 0.77

00:42:55.000 So then I guess I started listening to these red pill podcasts and started thinking, huh, maybe it's because I'm not holding my frame properly when I'm with women, maybe it's because I'm letting them lead too much, maybe it's because of X, Y, and Z. 0.71

00:43:09.000 And actually, a lot of the descriptors that they give are spot on. 1.00

00:43:12.000 So, the prescriptions, I agree with you that the prescriptions are normally way off, but the descriptors that they give are very true.

00:43:19.000 Like, for example, that a man has to be masculine and has to have a purpose in life, has to be a potential provider or a provider, has to at least have some ambition, potential, these sorts of things, has to understand the nature of women and not romanticize the nature of women too much because women aren't these totally empathetic, just love you for your personality sort of creatures that they're.

00:43:42.000 That they're painted to be in Hollywood, for example. 1.00

00:43:45.000 Women are just as opportunistic as us. 1.00

00:43:47.000 They have their own biological desires, just like us. 1.00

00:43:51.000 And, you know, you might say that actually their desires are quite a lot more shallow than ours are. 0.72

00:43:57.000 And when it comes to relationships, there's a reason why women tend to leave the relationships a lot more than men as well.

00:44:02.000 So to be aware of these descriptors is really important.

00:44:06.000 And I found that I was getting the descriptors totally wrong.

00:44:09.000 I thought that women were all benevolent.

00:44:11.000 And if I gave them flowers and was a big simp to them, then they would just love my personality because I was such a nice guy. 1.00

00:44:16.000 Right.

00:44:16.000 And it just went so badly for me.

00:44:18.000 And I was like, what is going on here?

00:44:19.000 Well, what do you mean so badly? 0.68

00:44:20.000 If it's not too personal, would you have ladies go for the bad boy? 0.95

00:44:23.000 Well, yeah. 0.96

00:44:24.000 I mean, during school, I was always pretty overweight until I started boxing. 0.99

00:44:28.000 So, never really had much luck with women. 1.00

00:44:30.000 Really?

00:44:31.000 Yeah, never.

00:44:32.000 Yeah, I was always quite fat. 1.00

00:44:33.000 And then when I started boxing, I started to have a little bit more success with women, but I was just really simpy. 1.00

00:44:39.000 Because you would beat them if they didn't oblige. 1.00

00:44:41.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:44:42.000 It helps.

00:44:43.000 I should have. 1.00

00:44:45.000 No, but I was just really simpy towards women.

00:44:47.000 I just had a totally wrong attitude. 0.88

00:44:49.000 And I think even if you are a big Chad and you've got all of these things going on, if you appear as though you are.

00:44:59.000 Not confident in yourself, or you appear as though you've got no ambition, or that you're sort of looking to her and relying on her and totally obsessed with her as opposed to your own mission.

00:45:08.000 Then, the guy who's like five foot eight and a bit skinnier, who has a mission and is a little bit more doesn't give a he's going to do better than you with women, right?

00:45:16.000 What do you mean when you say that some of their desires might be shallower than men? 0.85

00:45:20.000 Well, I do think that actually women are biologically determined, not determined, but biologically women have a desire for men.

00:45:31.000 Who are going to basically just provide for them. 0.97

00:45:34.000 So there's an exchange that goes on there.

00:45:36.000 And to be clear, I can see people going to go, oh, my husband.

00:45:38.000 It's like, no, no, we're not saying that the man has to be rich in a Lambo, which, by the way, I just have my hired help tend to my Lambos.

00:45:47.000 What we're saying is they do need to see the potential to be a provider.

00:45:51.000 In other words, you could be someone now who maybe is, let's say you're in Harvard now and you have student debt, but they know that you're in law school.

00:45:58.000 So sometimes I can see those sort of strummen being presented right away.

00:45:58.000 Yeah.

00:45:58.000 Right.

00:46:01.000 Yeah, well, look.

00:46:04.000 Have you looked much into the history of World War I and II and about how the women would desert? 0.85

00:46:10.000 Well, so I know what you're talking about, and then I'll often be like, oh, okay, just, you know, if you don't kill me, then I'll bear your children. 0.81

00:46:17.000 What do you mean? 0.63

00:46:18.000 As far as incoming enemies. 1.00

00:46:19.000 You know, I mean, that was the thing women would, as a defense mechanism, it predates World War I. 1.00

00:46:23.000 But I read a specific, I can't remember the book on it, where it talked about how women far more readily would avail themselves to who they viewed was going to be the winning side in a war.

00:46:31.000 So aside from the Kaiser helmets, no, I'm not super familiar with World War I.

00:46:35.000 I know it didn't have the Nazis.

00:46:37.000 But then there's also the, even you get American women as well. 0.98

00:46:37.000 There is that. 0.98

00:46:41.000 And then you'd get the, I think they were called maybe the Dear John letters or something like that.

00:46:45.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:46:45.000 In the war.

00:46:46.000 And it got to the point where the generals would not give people their mail because these letters were so common where these women would be essentially breaking it off with these guys. 0.55

00:46:55.000 They were so common that they would not give their mail if they're about to get it.

00:46:58.000 It would be devastating.

00:46:59.000 Yeah, because they didn't want to decrease the morale around the camp.

00:47:03.000 There's also an interesting one.

00:47:05.000 I think it's called the Uncle Carl phenomenon. 0.81

00:47:08.000 Which is when the Germans would go to war, they would come back. 0.62

00:47:11.000 And it wouldn't be that they would marry to a Frenchman necessarily, or it wouldn't be that they'd married an American or anything like that, but they would come back and it would be a higher ranking German official that had married their chick because the chick had married up while they'd been gone. 0.50

00:47:23.000 So then they would come home and then to avoid any confusion, they would start calling the biological father uncle. 0.99

00:47:30.000 So, yeah, I mean, I do think that women can be very superficial just in terms of their needs and desires. 0.99

00:47:38.000 And this is so amplified these days. 1.00

00:47:39.000 If you look at social media, for example, What's happening?

00:47:43.000 Well, nowadays, and this is something that the red pill accurately points out the women in the current dating market don't just have access to the men in their immediate area like they used to. 0.60

00:47:53.000 Now it's globalized. 0.98

00:47:54.000 So now, if a girl is half decent looking and if she just posts a photo of her with some nice cleavage on her Instagram, then she can get offers to be flown out to Dubai and flown out to the south of France and all of these different places.

00:48:07.000 And you're basically living life on easy mode. 0.81

00:48:10.000 So there are a lot of women who are sort of Making that deal with the devil, as you will. 1.00

00:48:16.000 They will make that deal and say, All right, I'm going to be good looking forever because that's what the media tells me. 0.80

00:48:22.000 I'm going to age like fine wine.

00:48:23.000 When I'm 60, I'm going to be just as attractive as when I'm 21.

00:48:26.000 So, this gravy train is basically going to last forever.

00:48:29.000 But that's just not the case.

00:48:30.000 And that's just not what happens.

00:48:32.000 And I feel like they're being encouraged with the bombardment of social media and also of their innate desires for security.

00:48:40.000 They're sort of making that deal because they do have an innate desire for security and for flashing.

00:48:47.000 Like you'll see that.

00:48:48.000 For attention.

00:48:49.000 That's a social currency.

00:48:50.000 Attention, security, flashing, high status.

00:48:53.000 And the way in which they.

00:48:54.000 It's interesting because tell me if I'm rambling too much, but.

00:48:57.000 When they post photos on their Instagram, there's this thing where they would put the Gucci bag in the photo somewhere, or where they will be on a yacht or something like that.

00:49:07.000 And what this is We're not talking about Andrew Tate, though.

00:49:09.000 We're talking about the ladies.

00:49:10.000 Women, yeah. 0.99

00:49:10.000 Okay. 0.99

00:49:11.000 So what the women will do is they will essentially do all of these different things to socially status to other women. 1.00

00:49:17.000 Yes. 1.00

00:49:17.000 To socially signal to other women. 1.00

00:49:19.000 Not necessarily to men, maybe to men to say, this is what I desire, but generally to other women.

00:49:24.000 And this is the same thing with a big wedding ring.

00:49:26.000 You get a big wedding ring, expensive wedding ring, high status male.

00:49:30.000 This is all sort of built into their sort of biology of how they sort of signal to other women, if you will.

00:49:38.000 And social media is, you see that same phenomenon happening, but with designer brands and with locations and with boats and all of these sorts of things.

00:49:45.000 Well, I think it comes down to this is going to sound reductive, but the wedding ring, really, its value is precisely correlates with how much it pisses off your friends.

00:49:55.000 Yeah.

00:49:55.000 That's really what it is, right?

00:49:57.000 Exactly.

00:49:58.000 Because women often find, whether they admit to this or not, validation through the attention of men.

00:50:03.000 Yeah.

00:50:04.000 Men, to some degree, get that from him, but men actually get more validation from the attention of other men.

00:50:10.000 That's how you have generals.

00:50:12.000 That's how you have bosses.

00:50:14.000 That's how you have a heavyweight champion.

00:50:16.000 So you have men dying for honor.

00:50:17.000 That's exactly right. 0.99

00:50:19.000 And the truth is, women, I think, can't stand that. 1.00

00:50:22.000 I think that I've talked about this.

00:50:23.000 The thing that I think women are most jealous of when it comes to the difference between the sexes is that men are better at friending.

00:50:29.000 It's not that men can be stronger, it's not that men don't need birth control. 0.54

00:50:34.000 It's that men far more often have lifelong friends, and it's incredibly rare amongst women. 1.00

00:50:41.000 And women will tell you, Women are the worst. 0.99

00:50:42.000 We backstab all this stuff where it really depends on the level of your success and how much jealousy sort of can fill that gap.

00:50:51.000 Whereas with men, we're often you will get jealous men, but it tends to, in other words, if you have a friend who's really successful and he's not rubbing it in your face, right?

00:51:00.000 He just is doing really well, you might be jealous and you go, Oh, I just need my break.

00:51:05.000 But it will drive you to try.

00:51:06.000 You're not going to start hating him.

00:51:07.000 It's not a normal reaction, it can happen, but it's not a normal reaction.

00:51:10.000 It seems to be the default.

00:51:11.000 Those guys don't go very well.

00:51:13.000 It doesn't go very well for them.

00:51:13.000 Like you can kind of sniff it out and you want to get rid of it out of your circle, any sort of resentment or jealousy.

00:51:18.000 But if you're in a circle of guys and it's like you're doing really well in your area and they're picking your brains, how did you do this?

00:51:18.000 Right.

00:51:22.000 How did you do that?

00:51:23.000 How do you manage your finances?

00:51:24.000 How do you do X and Y?

00:51:25.000 What do you invest in?

00:51:26.000 Then that's a really sort of positive upwards trajectory of a friendship group.

00:51:30.000 But if you have that one friend who's like, that should be me, you know.

00:51:33.000 Right.

00:51:34.000 I'm smarter than you.

00:51:34.000 Yeah.

00:51:35.000 I should be there.

00:51:36.000 That is cancer. 0.91

00:51:37.000 You want to get rid of that cancer.

00:51:39.000 From the group straight away.

00:51:40.000 Well, I don't know if you saw this in boxing, but in jiu jitsu, this would happen a lot, where I was the de facto training partner for children and for women, largely because I was the one thing I had in my reputation was I wouldn't injure anybody.

00:51:54.000 And so if women were like me, women would go out to ADCC, which is this big sort of grappling tournament, and I would often be training with the women, even though I'm much larger, because their female training partners would go hog wild and hurt them.

00:52:08.000 Whereas men would often be able to, they would go, okay, this is his tournament coming up. 0.76

00:52:12.000 My job is to get him ready.

00:52:14.000 To make sure that he peaks, to make sure that he doesn't get hurt, the coaches would keep women away because you'd see women get hurt all the time by other women. 1.00

00:52:21.000 I don't know if it's the same thing in boxing, but like, oh, she has a shot. 1.00

00:52:24.000 She's getting some shine on her. 1.00

00:52:26.000 I want to show that I can hurt her in training.

00:52:27.000 They weren't able to separate it.

00:52:28.000 I don't know if that was the same thing in boxing at all. 1.00

00:52:31.000 Well, I mean, you generally, in boxing, what I found was the women would go as hard as they possibly can, and you just sort of cover up and just tap them occasionally. 0.97

00:52:40.000 So you don't really worry about it too much. 0.97

00:52:41.000 No one's ever going to, like, I think maybe with jujitsu.

00:52:43.000 But if you have two women together, right, you can't just turtle up and, like, in other words, now it's two women going as hard as they can. 0.56

00:52:49.000 So, same thing in jujitsu, you would get that a lot.

00:52:51.000 Whereas you get men go, okay, I'm taking either, I got a bad ankle.

00:52:54.000 Great, let's roll this. 1.00

00:52:55.000 Whereas women were just, they have very little control in boxing as well. 1.00

00:53:00.000 Okay. 1.00

00:53:00.000 The women together? 1.00

00:53:01.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:53:02.000 Well, that makes sense.

00:53:02.000 All right.

00:53:03.000 So you would just turtle, let them tie themselves out.

00:53:06.000 Rocky three, you ain't so bad.

00:53:07.000 Yeah, it's cute when they do it.

00:53:09.000 They're like little pillow hands.

00:53:10.000 Yeah, I know. 1.00

00:53:13.000 Even when you watch female boxing professionals, they punch like girls. 1.00

00:53:17.000 I've had that a lot. 1.00

00:53:18.000 I was training in Thailand and there was a bunch of professional female Muay Thai fighters and it was just the same thing. 1.00

00:53:23.000 They're just so much weaker than us. 0.99

00:53:25.000 Yeah.

00:53:25.000 It's not even close.

00:53:26.000 You can't.

00:53:27.000 But, you know, with martial arts, and I'm sure you'll be able to attest to this, I find that it's an interesting microcosm of the male experience as a whole. 1.00

00:53:36.000 Because if you're in a boxing gym and you're a fuckwit, as we'd say in Australia, or you're a prick or you're arrogant, or you're. 0.99

00:53:45.000 There is no real way to hide that, right? 1.00

00:53:47.000 No.

00:53:48.000 So if you come in and you're talking a big game, I'm this, I'm this, I've won all these sorts of things, and then you get on the mats or you get in the ring and then you get humbled.

00:53:57.000 Well, you can't talk your way out of that.

00:53:59.000 You can't, like, there's nothing.

00:53:59.000 No.

00:54:00.000 Well, I will say this, probably the same with jiu jitsu.

00:54:03.000 I always said people have a decision to make, these men.

00:54:06.000 Because we would often get men who come in and, like, I was a Navy SEAL and stuff, like, great, roll with our white belts.

00:54:12.000 Not to denigrate Navy SEALs, but they're war fighters, not fight fighters.

00:54:16.000 You know what I mean?

00:54:17.000 It's a different skill set.

00:54:18.000 Where a guy would typically get folded up like a cheap shirt, and then he has a decision to make.

00:54:23.000 Okay, I'm not as tough as I thought I was, and learn this, or deny reality and still tell everyone at the bar that you've never lost a fight.

00:54:29.000 It's kind of a binary decision.

00:54:33.000 And I've had, I've told the story.

00:54:34.000 I became good friends with a guy where we were rolling in jiu jitsu.

00:54:38.000 And to be fair, he was going through a rough go. 1.00

00:54:41.000 And my instructor, because he's Brazilian, that's the worst part of Brazilian jiu jitsu is all the Brazilians. 1.00

00:54:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:54:47.000 He was holding me back to like win tournaments.

00:54:48.000 So he kept me at white belt, whereas at this point I was certainly closer to like a purple belt.

00:54:51.000 I'm rolling with a guy who's a purple belt and I was submitting him.

00:54:55.000 And he was getting mad. 0.97

00:54:55.000 Right. 0.97

00:54:57.000 And he then got up and I got him in an ankle lock, which we agreed to.

00:55:01.000 And he. 0.99

00:55:02.000 Kicked my ass to get out, like literally, like kicked me in the ass, but before he tapped, but like really hard. 1.00

00:55:06.000 And I was like, What's your problem? 1.00

00:55:07.000 He's like, Oh, you're not supposed to be doing that so cheap.

00:55:10.000 And we almost got into a fight.

00:55:12.000 And then the coach came in and he's like, Oh, he's like, Hey, there's no leave.

00:55:15.000 And the guy called me afterwards, Hey, I'm really sorry.

00:55:17.000 He's like, I'm going, I have this stuff going on at home.

00:55:20.000 He said, You know, I just being older and knowing that you're coming up, like it was, yeah, it was, it was humbling.

00:55:25.000 And we then became each other's training partner where there was complete trust, where it was never competitive.

00:55:32.000 Because we were helping each other grow and we became good friends after that.

00:55:36.000 And I think you see that a lot in martial arts because there's an honesty in where you stand and you want to help each other.

00:55:42.000 Oh, yeah, dude.

00:55:43.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:55:43.000 I mean, I've always referred to it as sort of an ego death that you have to go through because before I started boxing, I thought I was a tough guy because I'd been in a bunch of street fights and I sort of grew up on the wrong side of the tracks in Melbourne.

00:55:57.000 I was always, you know, I went to four different high schools, kept getting kicked out, was always in trouble with the police and these sorts of things.

00:56:02.000 So I thought I was a bit of a tough guy because I'd been in street fights.

00:56:02.000 Right.

00:56:05.000 So, first day I walked into my boxing gym when I was 19, my security guard at work introduced me to his friend Ed, who was this boxing trainer.

00:56:13.000 So I was like, I'll go down.

00:56:15.000 So I walk into the gym and I'm fat at this stage. 0.55

00:56:17.000 And my boxing coach, yeah, I know, gross. 1.00

00:56:19.000 My boxing coach was this Caribbean guy and he was a real tough guy. 1.00

00:56:24.000 And so he goes to me, he's like, You ever done boxing?

00:56:28.000 And I was like, Nah, I never boxed, but I know how to throw a punch.

00:56:31.000 Oh, boy.

00:56:32.000 Worst thing you could possibly say.

00:56:33.000 I guess he said, Lace up.

00:56:35.000 He put on the gloves and he took it to you.

00:56:36.000 No, no.

00:56:37.000 Probably even worse than that, actually.

00:56:39.000 He goes, Okay, yeah, cool.

00:56:40.000 He goes, Come over to this bag.

00:56:42.000 You know, show me what you got. 1.00

00:56:43.000 And then I started wailing on this bag like a retard. 0.99

00:56:48.000 And then he pulls me aside after, and I was like, I'm expecting a compliment.

00:56:52.000 You know, oh, you're good, man.

00:56:53.000 And then he pulls me aside and he says, I don't know who the f told you you knew how to throw a punch, but they lied to you.

00:56:59.000 And then for the next three sessions, he had me on a little cross with sticky tape in the middle of the boxing ring, doing back and forth footwork step one forward, step one back, step to the left, step to the right, end up back in the cross for the next three sessions.

00:57:16.000 And I was getting pissed because I was like, dude, everyone else is training and I'm here on this cross like a dummy.

00:57:20.000 And I guess he just wanted to see if I was persistent.

00:57:23.000 And I kept coming back.

00:57:24.000 But that was my first ego death. 0.99

00:57:27.000 And then you have more ego deaths as you go because then you get into sparring and you just get the shit walloped out of it. 0.98

00:57:33.000 I remember the first time I got really badly beaten up in sparring was this kid, Brandon, and he was like 17. 0.98

00:57:33.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98

00:57:39.000 And I was, I think, 20 at this stage.

00:57:41.000 And he'd had a few amateur fights, and I hadn't had any fights at this stage.

00:57:44.000 We got in the ring.

00:57:45.000 We're in a place called Stoke Newington, which is like a really tough, rough part of London.

00:57:49.000 In this gym, I was the only white guy.

00:57:52.000 And Brandon, actually, he was white too.

00:57:54.000 And then Brandon just gets in there and just batters me for four rounds.

00:57:58.000 Batters me.

00:57:58.000 It was brutal.

00:57:59.000 At one stage, I turned my back, which everyone in the boxing gym was like, Yeah, you never turn your back.

00:58:03.000 No.

00:58:04.000 And so after it, I went to the bathroom and I just started crying.

00:58:07.000 I was just bawling my eyes out in the bathroom.

00:58:09.000 And I came back out, and people probably could tell that I'd been crying.

00:58:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:58:14.000 And then that was such an ego death because I realized at that moment that everything that I thought I was was totally wrong.

00:58:20.000 Actually, I was kind of weak and I was actually kind of a coward because I was scared and I was going through this experience where I'd been manhandled and belittled, and all of those.

00:58:32.000 Walls that I had erected, all of those like false conceptions that I had of myself as some tough guy who can really defend myself, yeah, crumbled. 0.85

00:58:38.000 Well, I think that's a big disconnect between men and women.

00:58:40.000 And by the way, this is not to say that men are better than women, or I mean, we're better at most things physical, obviously, all things physical.

00:58:45.000 But, um, the different messaging, like, you can't have a hit single or a show telling young men you're perfect just the way you are because no one would watch it.

00:58:55.000 Men, like, come on, what are you doing?

00:58:57.000 There has to be some sense of realism, but it can be pumped toward women.

00:59:02.000 Um, you know, most women don't go through that experience of getting their eyes. 0.96

00:59:05.000 So just, Consider that only its beauty, which by the way, women are the worst in judging each other on beauty. 0.98

00:59:11.000 But they just go, Well, I'm beautiful just the way I am. 1.00

00:59:14.000 You're not challenged on it, where it's like, I can punch. 0.98

00:59:16.000 Well, let me punch you. 0.60

00:59:18.000 But if someone says, Well, I don't think you're that beautiful, yes, I am, because I've been told that I'm beautiful. 0.99

00:59:18.000 You now have the answer. 0.99

00:59:26.000 There isn't that same death to your ego.

00:59:28.000 Yeah, and I think that it's also just like boundaries because men, I feel like we have to move in a way where we are going to have the strongest possible tribe. 0.97

00:59:38.000 To fight off, and maybe this is me looking into it too much, but I feel like men kind of have to have a tribe where we are immune to outside forces and we don't really have many chinks in our armor. 0.92

00:59:50.000 And if you're a man and you feel like you're with a few liabilities, guys who wouldn't jump in if somebody jumped you, or guys who wouldn't have your back if life really went south for you, then you just sort of know that and you don't really want to sort of get too close to them. 0.95

01:00:03.000 But if you do have guys around you who are loyal and who are going to have your back in times of peril, then that is sort of what you want.

01:00:10.000 So, in order to cultivate that, We form different boundaries.

01:00:14.000 And one of the boundaries will be that ego death, is why we always give each other s.

01:00:17.000 Right. 0.97

01:00:18.000 Why Andrew Wilson's such a prick, you know? 0.93

01:00:21.000 We just form those boundaries.

01:00:23.000 It's so prickish sometimes to be like, do you really think that?

01:00:25.000 Really?

01:00:26.000 Have you thought that through?

01:00:27.000 Does that work for you?

01:00:28.000 You're like, all right, look, come on.

01:00:30.000 I just asked you how the ham was.

01:00:31.000 I smoked it.

01:00:31.000 I was pretty happy with it.

01:00:34.000 But yeah, we need to have those things.

01:00:36.000 And a lot of the restrictions that we put on each other are, for example, the ego death.

01:00:40.000 If you have someone who has too big an ego, you're going to just relentlessly pick on them until they're brought back down to where they roughly are in the pecking order, right? 1.00

01:00:48.000 So, women don't really do that. 1.00

01:00:49.000 They do the opposite. 1.00

01:00:50.000 So, their circle of things that are allowed is expanded endlessly.

01:00:55.000 It's funny that you say that because you can literally see that daily in this show.

01:00:58.000 So, there's a reason that everyone makes fun of Gerald and cuts him out of context with, like, guys, I'm gay and all that stuff.

01:01:04.000 It's because he's, you know, 6'4, 6'5, a freak athlete, beautiful family.

01:01:10.000 He's always been pretty successful, where it's like, it doesn't matter.

01:01:13.000 He can take it and it's fun. 0.98

01:01:15.000 Same thing, like, I give Toolman crap all the time.

01:01:16.000 Like, are you sure about how that TriCaster is working?

01:01:18.000 Because literally, you could seat me in front of that thing and say, We're going to lock this room and you do not get out until you figure out how to work it properly.

01:01:25.000 And I would, you just find my bones here like 30 years from now.

01:01:28.000 Yeah.

01:01:30.000 And so that's where it's like, okay, you can't get too big for your britches.

01:01:34.000 You know, that's something that we do.

01:01:35.000 And it's a form of love too, provided that, you know, there's loyalty on the other side of that equation.

01:01:38.000 Yeah.

01:01:40.000 And I know we're going to go to premium mucklib here.

01:01:42.000 So I want to make sure people know to go to Rattlesnake TV.

01:01:45.000 Like, what do you think is most important?

01:01:45.000 Let me ask you this, though.

01:01:47.000 Because you said you kind of went from libertarian to Christian nationalist, kind of covering debate.

01:01:51.000 What do you think is most important, like, that you want to cover?

01:01:54.000 Going forward, or you think is something that needs to be touched on because now media is so fractured and people need to balance finding their voice in the space versus a sense of purpose?

01:02:05.000 I would say rudimentary philosophy and rudimentary logic is really important because that can help you to really tie the loose ends up of your worldview.

01:02:14.000 So, for example, as a secularist, they will very oftentimes make claims in which they have absolutely no justification for.

01:02:22.000 And if you are a Christian, you can quite easily debunk these things. 0.70

01:02:26.000 Like secularists are always basically just trying to grant themselves that they should be the ruling authority.

01:02:30.000 Christian nationalists, we can't have that because they're going to rule over us with their dogma.

01:02:36.000 You guys do the exact same thing, except people don't have the requisite knowledge of philosophy to push back on you and to put you in a corner and make it apparent and obvious that you're doing the exact same thing.

01:02:50.000 Just because you're a secularist doesn't mean that you don't have dogmas of your own about abortion and gay rights and about secularism itself.

01:02:57.000 So I would say, rudimentary understanding of philosophy.

01:03:00.000 And logic and debate skills and all these sorts of things is really important.

01:03:03.000 That's why I try and promote a lot of my channel, why I try and go through not only the ideas being presented, but also the debate tactics and kernels of knowledge here and there about basic foundational logic.

01:03:17.000 Do you think that that's something necessary?

01:03:18.000 Because a lot of people come to sort of red pillism or sort of right wing conservative nationalism, whatever you want to call it.

01:03:26.000 Some of them come to it simply through contrarianism and then they too need a basis for it, and you're hoping that they go a little deeper?

01:03:33.000 Yeah, well.

01:03:34.000 I do think that a lot of people these days base their worldview upon their own life experiences.

01:03:38.000 So, for example, if you're a young guy and you feel dispossessed or disenfranchised, you're going to look at some of the different factions that are going on and you're going to sort of hitch your wagon to the red pill because I'm struggling with dating. 0.94

01:03:50.000 Women don't really notice me. 0.84

01:03:51.000 Don't say that out loud. 1.00

01:03:52.000 No one's going to believe it.

01:03:53.000 Don't clip me out of context.

01:03:54.000 It doesn't matter how many times you say you used to be fat. 1.00

01:03:56.000 In the States right now, the comment section is lighting up with ladies like, nah, that act is. 1.00

01:04:00.000 Well, you could be a Hemsworth. 0.98

01:04:01.000 The DMs are open.

01:04:03.000 I bet they are.

01:04:05.000 So, yeah, I mean,.

01:04:07.000 Oh, wait a second, you little s. 1.00

01:04:09.000 You put a ring on your wedding, or is that your pinky? 0.99

01:04:11.000 Oh, okay.

01:04:12.000 I was like, you're tricking us out.

01:04:13.000 Yeah, there's no ring on your finger.

01:04:14.000 Yeah, I bet you those DMs are open.

01:04:15.000 So, yeah, so basically, just yeah, understanding what was I saying?

01:04:20.000 Oh, yeah, men are sort of hitching their wagons to whatever it is that is apparent to their own current dilemma, essentially.

01:04:28.000 So, guys who might be 20, 21 years old, broke, you know, ugly, not getting attention from women, why are all these guys getting all the attention?

01:04:36.000 What's this Andrew Tate guy saying over here?

01:04:38.000 They're going to hitch their wagons to that, but they don't have actually any fundamental knowledge of why they believe what they believe.

01:04:43.000 So, understanding a little bit about maybe epistemology, what knowledge is, how we come to knowledge claims.

01:04:49.000 Why we know what we know, why we think we know what we know is really important, then you can examine it on a bit of a deeper level.

01:04:55.000 And that was really important for me.

01:04:57.000 Yeah.

01:04:58.000 I think a lot of people just go through their whole life not thinking of those things.

01:05:01.000 I kind of came at it through the opposite, where I was like, okay, people would say you're rationalizing your pre existing position.

01:05:06.000 That is true. 0.99

01:05:07.000 I did that when I started because I was always pretty conservative, deeply Christian, and it made sense.

01:05:13.000 I was going, okay, how do I find what I need to ensure that this makes sense, to argue it?

01:05:19.000 Which some people would say is the wrong way to go about it.

01:05:22.000 But That's how I came to it.

01:05:23.000 And I know we're going to, if you are not a member, click right there.

01:05:25.000 You can continue.

01:05:25.000 We're going to have some funny, he was telling me some funny road stories about how he sold his body to keep his YouTube channel going.

01:05:32.000 So, but that's a teaser. 0.65

01:05:34.000 It was a den in Cambodia. 0.76

01:05:36.000 Yeah.

01:05:36.000 Well, at least you weren't out there in the killing fields.

01:05:38.000 So, Jake, well, Jake Julius, but I want to say Rattlesnake TV because I keep, whenever I hear Rattlesnake, I think Jake the Snake, and I keep thinking of that famous we've talked about.

01:05:48.000 Jake Rattlesnake is normally best.

01:05:49.000 Okay.

01:05:50.000 Yeah.

01:05:50.000 Did you ever see when Jake the Snake had Macho Man Randy Savage bitten by his Cobra?

01:05:53.000 That's a full man.

01:05:54.000 Oh, my gosh. 0.70

01:05:55.000 Yeah.

01:05:55.000 Man bitten by a live Cobra.

01:05:57.000 On television Saturday morning, and the cobra's teeth get caught in his shoulder.

01:06:01.000 Saturday.

01:06:01.000 And he's stuck in the ropes, and he's like, No, man, get this cobra off me.

01:06:05.000 And then the cobra died 12 days later.

01:06:08.000 Really?

01:06:08.000 Yeah.

01:06:09.000 So the cobra was, whatever, devenomated.

01:06:11.000 Came off second best.

01:06:12.000 Yep.

01:06:13.000 Not Macho Man.

01:06:13.000 All right, we'll continue with this Ash Wednesday.

01:06:16.000 And if you're not a member, well, you're out of luck.

01:06:18.000 You're going to go watch someone else.

Louder with Crowder - May 08, 2026

What The Red Pill Gets Right, What It Gets Wrong: Ash Wednesday with Jake Rattlesnake

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