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00:03:13.000So it's Ash Wednesday where we sit down with a very special someone, and ladies, you're going to love them.
00:03:20.000Today, actually, we have on the program Jake Julius, who has almost a million subscribers on YouTube, a bunch of followers on Instagram, and comes highly recommended from Andrew Wilson.
00:03:32.000That's how I know he is from the extravaganza that you do with him.
00:05:29.000We used to think of Australians as like these rugged individualists.
00:05:31.000That's, I mean, the ladies, I guarantee you, are going to love your accent.
00:05:34.000It's like shooting fish in a barrel in the United States.
00:05:36.000But yeah, now when I encounter Australians, it's surprising.
00:05:41.000They seem to have more in common with like faggy Europeans than what we picture as, you know, the outback, rugged folk.
00:05:46.000Yeah, this is another common misconception that Australians are all like outback tough guys, all Steve Irwins or whatever it is.
00:05:54.000When Australia is actually pretty much mainly centered around these big metropolitan centers, which is Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, and then Perth and these sorts of places.
00:06:02.000And then the rest of it is basically just a desert or bush.
00:06:05.000So the whole middle of Australia is just a huge desert.
00:06:37.000Like in the average day to day Australia, as a kid, no joke, I used to have nightmares about Australia because I just assumed everything that could sting, envenomate, kill, maim lived in Australia.
00:06:46.000In your day to day, how much of a concern is it or does it not come up?
00:06:51.000I think that America is way more dangerous, right?
00:06:54.000I'm not talking about people, I'm talking about like the taipans and, you know, like the spiders that you guys have, the funnel web spiders.
00:07:06.000If you walk in long grass, if you're not wearing gumboots, then you might have a bit of a problem.
00:07:10.000But in America, I said the other day, I want to go for a hike because you've got some nice places in America.
00:07:18.000And then they said, oh, you have to wear long pants and you have to do this and that because you have all these ticks that can come and bite you.
00:07:23.000And you have all of this poison ivy or whatever you guys call it over here that you get on your skin.
00:07:28.000You don't have poison ivy in Australia?
00:08:15.000Whereas, you know, because of the winters, everything, if you're in Michigan, you can walk through the forest and it's really nice and you don't have to worry about a snake and a spite and stuff that can kill you.
00:08:22.000So, I will say the American Southwest is probably more comparable to how we picture Australia.
00:09:11.000God made all these animals where a lion will bite, or let's say a jaguar will bite the top of a skull because there's incredible bite pressure, right?
00:10:03.000Beto O'Rourke pushed that, and people here don't know what mandatory buyback is.
00:10:09.000And it's really troubling when something like that happens in Australia, and the solution just seems to be yeah, more gun control, and we're going to keep our eye on right wing extremists.
00:10:16.000Yeah, well, I mean, first of all, the 1996 Port Arthur massacre, there is actually a pretty big question as to whether that was a false flag attack, but that's probably not what we should get into today.
00:10:32.000But yeah, they did a huge mandatory buyback.
00:10:36.000And then, actually, what we've seen over the past, you know, however long, is that one of the solutions to the mass shooting recently is that more gun control is actually the answer.
00:10:48.000It's actually not anything about immigration.
00:10:50.000It's not anything about inviting people in here to fight an ethnic blood feud of thousands of years on foreign sands into our country.
00:10:59.000It's probably to do with the fact that we have very little access to guns.
00:11:10.000Was raised there, and I will say I refer to them as a conquered people.
00:11:15.000The big thing is, for better or worse, we had a war for independence here against the world's greatest superpower to become the world's greatest superpower the next century.
00:11:22.000In Australia, why do you think the people were so easily subjugated?
00:11:27.000Well, I think you kind of have to look at the general attitudes towards government that we have in Australia.
00:11:34.000You see, in America, you guys have got the Civil War, you know, you have the war for independence.
00:11:40.000World War I and II, which you guys were very much involved in.
00:11:50.000You have this spirit where you guys have a desire to fight for freedom, to maintain freedom, and you have this constitution, which everybody knows about and loves.
00:12:00.000But in Australia, we're just very apathetic about all of these sorts of things because we've never been too overtly involved in a war for our freedom, at least not in a time that we can imagine, or at least not in a time that we can remember.
00:12:13.000So, World War I, we had the Anzac soldiers who fought in Gallipoli on the beaches of Turkey.
00:12:33.000And we've essentially, well, I mean, I went to a funeral of a Vietnam vet, right?
00:12:39.000And all of his friends were there, and they were all singing the old Vietnam songs.
00:12:43.000And I walked out of it thinking, Man, these guys had a mateship and a brotherhood and a connectedness to Australian identity that we just are completely and utterly removed from today.
00:12:55.000But also, you have to think about the quality of life of Australia.
00:12:59.000So, if you think about it, we are essentially a geographically isolated country with all of the natural resources that you could possibly imagine.
00:13:08.000We've always had a pretty homogenous culture.
00:14:31.000And that kind of brings you going libertarian to sort of, I don't want to say mislabel Christian nationalist because I don't want you to be put in cuffs when you go back to Australia.
00:14:39.000But yeah, lack of a national identity, which may explain why, in my experience, contrary to Europeans or even Canadians, Australians, even though they lean left, they're thoughtless on politics, I would say.
00:14:51.000They don't have the rabid anti Americanism that you see in Europe.
00:14:54.000They tend to be pretty much okay if they see American tourists and stuff, in my experience, when I encounter them on the road.
00:15:05.000I think the biggest problem that they would have with Americans is that Americans are just sort of considered a little bit stupid.
00:15:11.000And this is sort of a caricature that's painted of Americans in the other Western countries, is that they're all basically just hillbillies.
00:16:05.000And now I know you do a lot of the debate content, but would you say Christian nationalist, and I don't mean white nationalist, is more of an apt description?
00:16:13.000And how do you get there from libertarian in Australia?
00:16:16.000Well, insofar as Christian nationalism is defined within the circles of people who would call themselves Christian nationalists and who aren't sort of using the term, I would say, yeah, Christian nationalist in the sense that I think that in white Christian Western countries, there should be Christian people who are able to govern according to their Christian sensibilities.
00:17:04.000Now, Australian politics is a very interesting one.
00:17:05.000We can sort of get into the different factions and political movements that are arising in Australia and the sort of dialectic that's going on there.
00:17:12.000But in terms of how I came to it, I mean, I was a pretty staunch, no, not even pretty.
00:18:07.000I was one of those people who you'd walk up to in the street and be like, why do you think that abortion should be legal up until nine months?
00:19:19.000Ladies don't care because you have the accent.
00:19:21.000They're not going to hold it against you.
00:19:22.000I'll get into my transition story soon.
00:19:24.000But so basically, the sneaky f, this is a term that I got from Gad Saad, actually.
00:19:29.000I heard him talking about it once, is a zoological term.
00:19:32.000For pufferfish and a few other different animal species, where basically what the beta phenotype, because you have the alpha and the beta phenotypes in these sorts of, whether or not you believe in those hierarchies, in these animal kingdoms.
00:19:45.000And so there'll be the alpha pufferfish, for example, and he will have access to all of the females.
00:19:50.000And then what the beta phenotype pufferfish will do is instead of trying to compete in the hierarchy, he'll try and morph himself to actually look like the female to try and bypass the alpha and mate with the females.
00:20:03.000Perfect representation of male feminists and of male liberals because oftentimes they grow their hair, they start to wear sort of like colorful wavy shirts, they start to adopt feminine talking points.
00:20:50.000So it's not as rigid as people may present it, like, I'm an alpha bro, but it's certainly not this idea.
00:20:56.000I also do think that you can look at the UFC heavyweight division and then you can look at the sneaky and you can ascertain some sort of a male dominance hierarchy.
00:21:05.000You can look at the heavyweight division and then look at the flyweight division.
00:21:22.000So how do you get to libertarian from that?
00:21:24.000And then how do you get to Christian nationalist?
00:21:25.000Well, because then I started looking into more of the political issues and I started watching guys like yourself and Tim Poole and the Daily Wire and these sorts of things.
00:21:34.000Jordan Peterson was a huge influence on me.
00:21:36.000As he was so many young men of my generation until he started, you know, going into unsolvable problems, but that's a different conversation.
00:21:43.000But he was huge, hugely impactful on me.
00:21:47.000And then you don't really just jump from one thing to another.
00:21:50.000Then I started getting, calling myself a libertarian, saying that I'm, um, Socially liberal and fiscally conservative.
00:22:28.000Australia, forgive me, is there any type of history rooted in Christianity as a basis of government at all?
00:22:33.000I know, obviously, in England, the Church of England, which we sort of rebelled against.
00:22:37.000I'm not super familiar, aside from the fact that it's a penal colony of rapists and murderers.
00:22:41.000Yeah, well, I mean, it was settled by the British, and the British, it was settled by Protestant Brits, the Church of England sort of thing.
00:22:48.000So we have a, and up until the 1960s, we had a white Australia policy, which basically means that we only accepted immigrants from white European Christian countries.
00:23:31.000The context of the time when the founders were writing their founding documents, 18th century, the idea that Muslims or Hindus could eventually come and run for office in America was just a total impossibility.
00:23:47.000The Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads and these sort of Hindu documents had maybe just started to circulate around Europe at these times.
00:23:55.000And Islam was a total backwater at that time.
00:23:58.000We were like, wait, not those guys who we had to literally make leather necks.
00:24:01.000For folks out there in the ships to protect them from being decapitated.
00:24:35.000Well, I wonder if it's, you know, a big reason for sort of Protestantism in the United States or being sort of, I hate to say, anti sort of orthodoxy.
00:24:47.000It is kind of central because we were rebelling against the Church of England in order to preserve faith because we saw how it was corrupt.
00:24:53.000I mean, Catholicism was effectively the state religion in Quebec where I was raised, and in Europe you have the Church of England.
00:24:58.000Anywhere you have a state enforced denomination, faith dies.
00:25:02.000The United States didn't, although we made sure that everyone should at least, we thought, would be in no uncertain terms like this constitution only works for a moral people.
00:25:14.000I just think it was sort of assumed at that point.
00:25:15.000Like you said, there's a lot they couldn't take into account.
00:25:18.000Like, come on, people who want to subvert the entire government.
00:25:21.000We're not going to allow that religion in, but here we are.
00:25:24.000And I always wonder, too, why it's so.
00:25:26.000I mean, you'll see these cathedrals and churches that are older than this country when you go to Europe or even places in Canada, completely empty.
00:26:11.000But we have disagreements about prescriptions, obviously.
00:26:13.000But I was very much into the libertarian stuff, very much into the red pill stuff.
00:26:17.000And then there was sort of a fork in the road that happened for me because I then encountered Andrew Wilson, who's a friend of both of ours, obviously, helped to line this up today.
00:27:47.000So then I went down more of a different debate.
00:27:50.000Like before, I was really interested in debates, but I was more covering guys like Douglas Murray and Jordan Peterson and all these sorts of people.
00:27:56.000But then I started to get into the religious debates and into the Christian debates.
00:28:00.000And I don't know if you'll remember this time, right, when the atheists were so pervasive online.
00:28:05.000You had Christopher Hitchens, you had Richard Dawkins.
00:28:08.000I remember how early on there was that guy, the amazing atheist, on YouTube.
00:28:11.000Like when I was there, there were no Christians, it wasn't a thing.
00:28:14.000So basically, what it was was just compilations of atheists dunking on Christians.
00:28:25.000But then what happened was I started to understand the rules of debate a bit more because I think that debate is essentially like a chess match.
00:28:50.000You can't grab your castle and move diagonally, right?
00:28:52.000That would be a fallacy, essentially, in debate.
00:28:54.000You only have limited moves, and you're constrained by the laws of logic, and you're constrained by fallacies.
00:29:00.000So I started to look into debate a little bit more thoroughly and start to look into the rules of debate, the laws of logic, all these sorts of things.
00:29:07.000And then I went back and looked at the debates with Hitchens and all these Christians.
00:29:13.000And I realized that Hitchens was basically just a rhetoric machine.
00:29:17.000He didn't actually make many logical, grounded arguments.
00:31:06.000There's a documentary that he did about.
00:31:09.000And there's one part of the documentary where he's detailing that when he's going in to view the room in which his mother committed suicide.
00:31:16.000Because his mother had essentially a suicide pact with her lover at the time.
00:32:05.000And then I knew a few other people as well who were close friends with Hitch.
00:32:08.000And I've always been really fascinated by him.
00:32:10.000So, this is why I'm interested to know people who knew him.
00:32:14.000And I spoke to these other people, and they said that Hitchens, the reason why he went down this atheist line was because essentially he was an intellectual heavyweight who wanted the biggest challenge possible.
00:32:26.000He felt like because you know, he went around throughout his entire career going to the Middle East and he was very much into the whole Kurdish issue and these sorts of things.
00:32:35.000He went all around the world and he was a campaigner for various different human rights issues around the world.
00:32:41.000And I feel like what they were trying to tell me is that essentially he got bored of all those things and he's like, who's the biggest and baddest dude that I can fight?
00:32:58.000But I guess what I was saying before in terms of the rules of debate and the chessboard and these sorts of things, like once you start to understand actual formal logic, And once you start to understand philosophy a little bit more, I feel like you're just lying to yourself if you don't eventually come to the conclusion that at least conservatism is true.
00:33:18.000Tradition is necessary, but then Christianity is actually the most logically coherent worldview.
00:33:30.000I remember the first time I was on Joe Rogan's show, I did it like four, either four or five times.
00:33:35.000And the first time I was like, I just don't want to get onto the Christian thing, where I would always argue from a more pragmatic standpoint just because.
00:33:43.000My thought was, I'm not going to get this person, you know, they're not going to have a road to Damascus moment with me, but I can sort of present it logically and then work, you know, behind the scenes to try and present a good example.
00:33:53.000And he said something about, like, so do we want to get into the imaginary, you know, guy who you follow who, you know, something like that.
00:33:59.000And I said, like, Joe, do we have, let's just not do this, the way you load that.
00:34:32.000And then, when you started going in through the history, I noticed a change when people would say, you know what, I'm not a Christian, but I understand the value in preserving a society when they saw not only secularism, but how that created a vacuum that was filled by Islam.
00:34:46.000What we now maybe know as wokeness, you know, back then it would be seen as, I just called it always leftism.
00:34:52.000Then it was SJW, it was kind of a thing.
00:34:56.000I've seen a lot of people come to it through that and then go, okay, so we can't fill a vacuum with nothing.
00:35:02.000So how do we prevent nothing, right, from happening in the first place, sort of going back to the never ending story?
00:35:08.000Okay, well, we got to keep Christianity then, because it kind of is a binary choice, you know, Christianity or something else, right?
00:35:14.000And we decided to go, something else was nothing, and then that gets filled by something stronger.
00:35:18.000But yeah, but proselytizing on YouTube back then was a fruitless endeavor.
00:35:22.000Yeah, I feel like the age of the internet and social media kind of led to this rise and people getting more used to having the short fix dopamine hits.
00:35:32.000And then I also, like the way I've observed it, is that it's kind of gone full circle because initially what you had was all of these sound bites of atheists destroying Christians.
00:35:43.000And it kind of feels intentional when I look back at it now because so much of this generation was subverted by that and so many of them.
00:35:49.000Parrot the same talking points without even thinking about it.
00:35:52.000You always hear Christianity is so illogical, you believe in some sort of a Sky Daddy spaghetti man.
00:35:58.000Not bothering to get into any of the arguments about the telos or not bothering to get into any metaphysics, not bothering to get into any history, church history, anything like that.
00:36:08.000Basically just sound bites and talking points.
00:36:10.000And it illustrates the retardation of our generation.
00:36:15.000Then it's kind of come back around because I do feel as though at this time there are more people engaging with long form.
00:36:22.000Debates, but also there are more people looking at the world around them and realizing that there is no essential meaning to their life.
00:36:31.000So, if you're just going through the motions all the time and you're just going to your job and then you're coming home and then you don't really ever look up at the sky and think what the hell is going on up there, you're sort of detaching yourself from this internal yearning that I feel as though we all have to be a part of something greater and that there is something greater out there and that there is a meaning to life.
00:36:52.000And I don't know if this is necessarily an argument, but I think that we kind of all just internally have that yearning.
00:37:04.000There's a God, you know, people always say there's a God shaped hole in everyone's heart, and that's kind of a, you know, a cliche, but it is true.
00:37:11.000You know, before even Red Pill was a thing.
00:37:13.000And by the way, we can, I also want to get into that because I'm curious because you said, you know, you wanted to impress the ladies, but then you went Red Pill before Christian.
00:37:20.000I'm curious as to how that works with feminists in Australia.
00:37:22.000But I interviewed Cassie J., did that film, the Red Pill movie.
00:37:25.000That's what it was called early on, was really more about just men's rights in general.
00:37:30.000She set out to sort of disprove it and sort of learned about custody battles and what was going on in the court system.
00:37:35.000And learned about back then, really just affirmative action and STEM fields.
00:37:39.000And actually, I don't even know what she's doing now.
00:37:40.000I think she got, I think when she was on my show, she was like, Yeah, I understand men's rights, but she was still an atheist.
00:37:47.000And I think now she's married and has kids and did what a lot of female commentators should do, which is go off and actually have a family as opposed to staying in front of the camera.
00:37:54.000But I do remember that kind of coming up.
00:37:57.000And I remember on the show Parks and Rec, just to give you an idea how it was treated initially, Amy Poehler, some guy was created as a caricature and he said, I'm like, men's rights.
00:38:07.000And she just said, Okay, that's not a thing.
00:38:26.000Well, the thing that is really attractive about the Red Pill, I find, is that there is a serious vacuum that's opened up, a serious almost like influence vacuum that's opened up in modern culture because we are really lacking father figures and we're really lacking that sort of.
00:38:42.000Not only have the fathers been taken out of the homes, but the fathers have also been pussified, the ones that are in the homes.
00:38:48.000And then also, all of the role models that you would look to on TV, Bruce Willis, Die Hard, all these sorts of characters, are all being replaced with black trans women.
00:38:57.000And that is essentially leaving men homeless, ideologically homeless.
00:39:12.000And the first thing that I did, I had a really rough period after that.
00:39:16.000But then, one of the first things that I did, and I didn't even know that I was doing this until I looked back on it in hindsight, was I started searching for male role models.
00:39:23.000And this is when I met my boxing coach in London.
00:39:26.000And he was, for the next four years, basically just blood, sweat, and tears, just training boxing.
00:39:40.000So I think that there's a similar thing going on here with the red pill.
00:39:43.000All of these young guys, they haven't necessarily been taught about how to sort of, like Jordan Peterson sort of says, stand up straight with your shoulders back, have some confidence, think about who you could be and aim single mindedly at that.
00:39:55.000All of these fantastic pieces of advice that he gives.
00:39:58.000They don't hear that rudimentary advice.
00:40:01.000But then the reason why the red pill is so popular is because we are totally and utterly void of male role models.
00:40:07.000And then what fills that void or attempts to fill that void is feminism and is female messaging and conditioning, which is out of touch with reality.
00:40:18.000What the red pill content creators realized is that there's a whole generation of young men who have no idea about female nature, who have no idea how to act around women, and who are feeling totally disenfranchised.
00:40:30.000Because in society, we need incentives, right?
00:40:34.000So if you're looking at a whole generation of young men, you need to have incentives there for them to freaking create the power lines and to do all of the infrastructure under the roads and to create the civilization that we live in.
00:40:47.000And if we don't have those incentives, what is the incentive?
00:40:49.000Well, essentially, it's always been to have a family and to have access to females and to have children and to have a legacy and to have purpose.
00:41:20.000I mean, there was a book called Wild at Heart.
00:41:22.000This was something that was pretty popular in the Protestant church where it talks about how every boy needs, you know, a dragon to slay, a princess to rescue.
00:41:28.000You know, obviously these were allegorical.
00:41:31.000And it's tough with the dragon to slay, like, really, I guess you kind of replace that with, you know, The workplace, sometimes there's actual war, but very often, more often than not, we're not fighting a war.
00:41:39.000But then a princess to rescue, that's like, okay, have you looked at the state of the dating pool in a lot of modern women?
00:41:47.000A princess to rescue, I'm not getting that.
00:41:55.000And I think the prescriptions are really bad from a lot of people, which is why I thought that Andrew was pretty helpful as an Orthodox Christian who, even though he's bombastic, people might say, like, if you actually listen to what he's saying, he's saying, no, don't go out and be hyperly promiscuous.
00:42:07.000Saying, actually, these are the things that are rewarding and meaningful.
00:42:10.000And people will just say he's a chauvinist anyway.
00:42:12.000But how do you get there if at that point in time you're just trying to get more chicks and you're a libertarian?
00:42:18.000How do you get to, oh, okay, now I care about meaning in life?
00:42:29.000Most people think red pill is like for guys who struggle to meet women.
00:42:32.000Well, I mean, I've had my own sort of different dilemmas and issues with dating over the time.
00:42:37.000You, you, yeah, which of the nine to sleep with?
00:42:40.000Come on, yeah, well, not here in the states, you don't.
00:42:43.000My, I'd say my first few relationships and everything that I had, I would very much lean into the feminist messaging because it's kind of all that I knew, right?
00:42:51.000And uh, it ended up going really badly for me.
00:42:55.000So then I guess I started listening to these red pill podcasts and started thinking, huh, maybe it's because I'm not holding my frame properly when I'm with women, maybe it's because I'm letting them lead too much, maybe it's because of X, Y, and Z.
00:43:09.000And actually, a lot of the descriptors that they give are spot on.
00:43:12.000So, the prescriptions, I agree with you that the prescriptions are normally way off, but the descriptors that they give are very true.
00:43:19.000Like, for example, that a man has to be masculine and has to have a purpose in life, has to be a potential provider or a provider, has to at least have some ambition, potential, these sorts of things, has to understand the nature of women and not romanticize the nature of women too much because women aren't these totally empathetic, just love you for your personality sort of creatures that they're.
00:43:42.000That they're painted to be in Hollywood, for example.
00:43:45.000Women are just as opportunistic as us.
00:43:47.000They have their own biological desires, just like us.
00:43:51.000And, you know, you might say that actually their desires are quite a lot more shallow than ours are.
00:43:57.000And when it comes to relationships, there's a reason why women tend to leave the relationships a lot more than men as well.
00:44:02.000So to be aware of these descriptors is really important.
00:44:06.000And I found that I was getting the descriptors totally wrong.
00:44:09.000I thought that women were all benevolent.
00:44:11.000And if I gave them flowers and was a big simp to them, then they would just love my personality because I was such a nice guy.
00:44:49.000And I think even if you are a big Chad and you've got all of these things going on, if you appear as though you are.
00:44:59.000Not confident in yourself, or you appear as though you've got no ambition, or that you're sort of looking to her and relying on her and totally obsessed with her as opposed to your own mission.
00:45:08.000Then, the guy who's like five foot eight and a bit skinnier, who has a mission and is a little bit more doesn't give a he's going to do better than you with women, right?
00:45:16.000What do you mean when you say that some of their desires might be shallower than men?
00:45:20.000Well, I do think that actually women are biologically determined, not determined, but biologically women have a desire for men.
00:45:31.000Who are going to basically just provide for them.
00:45:34.000So there's an exchange that goes on there.
00:45:36.000And to be clear, I can see people going to go, oh, my husband.
00:45:38.000It's like, no, no, we're not saying that the man has to be rich in a Lambo, which, by the way, I just have my hired help tend to my Lambos.
00:45:47.000What we're saying is they do need to see the potential to be a provider.
00:45:51.000In other words, you could be someone now who maybe is, let's say you're in Harvard now and you have student debt, but they know that you're in law school.
00:45:58.000So sometimes I can see those sort of strummen being presented right away.
00:46:04.000Have you looked much into the history of World War I and II and about how the women would desert?
00:46:10.000Well, so I know what you're talking about, and then I'll often be like, oh, okay, just, you know, if you don't kill me, then I'll bear your children.
00:46:19.000You know, I mean, that was the thing women would, as a defense mechanism, it predates World War I.
00:46:23.000But I read a specific, I can't remember the book on it, where it talked about how women far more readily would avail themselves to who they viewed was going to be the winning side in a war.
00:46:31.000So aside from the Kaiser helmets, no, I'm not super familiar with World War I.
00:46:46.000And it got to the point where the generals would not give people their mail because these letters were so common where these women would be essentially breaking it off with these guys.
00:46:55.000They were so common that they would not give their mail if they're about to get it.
00:47:05.000I think it's called the Uncle Carl phenomenon.
00:47:08.000Which is when the Germans would go to war, they would come back.
00:47:11.000And it wouldn't be that they would marry to a Frenchman necessarily, or it wouldn't be that they'd married an American or anything like that, but they would come back and it would be a higher ranking German official that had married their chick because the chick had married up while they'd been gone.
00:47:23.000So then they would come home and then to avoid any confusion, they would start calling the biological father uncle.
00:47:30.000So, yeah, I mean, I do think that women can be very superficial just in terms of their needs and desires.
00:47:39.000If you look at social media, for example, What's happening?
00:47:43.000Well, nowadays, and this is something that the red pill accurately points out the women in the current dating market don't just have access to the men in their immediate area like they used to.
00:47:54.000So now, if a girl is half decent looking and if she just posts a photo of her with some nice cleavage on her Instagram, then she can get offers to be flown out to Dubai and flown out to the south of France and all of these different places.
00:48:07.000And you're basically living life on easy mode.
00:48:10.000So there are a lot of women who are sort of Making that deal with the devil, as you will.
00:48:16.000They will make that deal and say, All right, I'm going to be good looking forever because that's what the media tells me.
00:48:54.000It's interesting because tell me if I'm rambling too much, but.
00:48:57.000When they post photos on their Instagram, there's this thing where they would put the Gucci bag in the photo somewhere, or where they will be on a yacht or something like that.
00:49:07.000And what this is We're not talking about Andrew Tate, though.
00:49:19.000Not necessarily to men, maybe to men to say, this is what I desire, but generally to other women.
00:49:24.000And this is the same thing with a big wedding ring.
00:49:26.000You get a big wedding ring, expensive wedding ring, high status male.
00:49:30.000This is all sort of built into their sort of biology of how they sort of signal to other women, if you will.
00:49:38.000And social media is, you see that same phenomenon happening, but with designer brands and with locations and with boats and all of these sorts of things.
00:49:45.000Well, I think it comes down to this is going to sound reductive, but the wedding ring, really, its value is precisely correlates with how much it pisses off your friends.
00:50:23.000The thing that I think women are most jealous of when it comes to the difference between the sexes is that men are better at friending.
00:50:29.000It's not that men can be stronger, it's not that men don't need birth control.
00:50:34.000It's that men far more often have lifelong friends, and it's incredibly rare amongst women.
00:50:41.000And women will tell you, Women are the worst.
00:50:42.000We backstab all this stuff where it really depends on the level of your success and how much jealousy sort of can fill that gap.
00:50:51.000Whereas with men, we're often you will get jealous men, but it tends to, in other words, if you have a friend who's really successful and he's not rubbing it in your face, right?
00:51:00.000He just is doing really well, you might be jealous and you go, Oh, I just need my break.
00:51:13.000Like you can kind of sniff it out and you want to get rid of it out of your circle, any sort of resentment or jealousy.
00:51:18.000But if you're in a circle of guys and it's like you're doing really well in your area and they're picking your brains, how did you do this?
00:51:40.000Well, I don't know if you saw this in boxing, but in jiu jitsu, this would happen a lot, where I was the de facto training partner for children and for women, largely because I was the one thing I had in my reputation was I wouldn't injure anybody.
00:51:54.000And so if women were like me, women would go out to ADCC, which is this big sort of grappling tournament, and I would often be training with the women, even though I'm much larger, because their female training partners would go hog wild and hurt them.
00:52:08.000Whereas men would often be able to, they would go, okay, this is his tournament coming up.
00:52:14.000To make sure that he peaks, to make sure that he doesn't get hurt, the coaches would keep women away because you'd see women get hurt all the time by other women.
00:52:21.000I don't know if it's the same thing in boxing, but like, oh, she has a shot.
00:52:28.000I don't know if that was the same thing in boxing at all.
00:52:31.000Well, I mean, you generally, in boxing, what I found was the women would go as hard as they possibly can, and you just sort of cover up and just tap them occasionally.
00:52:40.000So you don't really worry about it too much.
00:52:41.000No one's ever going to, like, I think maybe with jujitsu.
00:52:43.000But if you have two women together, right, you can't just turtle up and, like, in other words, now it's two women going as hard as they can.
00:52:49.000So, same thing in jujitsu, you would get that a lot.
00:52:51.000Whereas you get men go, okay, I'm taking either, I got a bad ankle.
00:53:27.000But, you know, with martial arts, and I'm sure you'll be able to attest to this, I find that it's an interesting microcosm of the male experience as a whole.
00:53:36.000Because if you're in a boxing gym and you're a fuckwit, as we'd say in Australia, or you're a prick or you're arrogant, or you're.
00:53:45.000There is no real way to hide that, right?
00:53:48.000So if you come in and you're talking a big game, I'm this, I'm this, I've won all these sorts of things, and then you get on the mats or you get in the ring and then you get humbled.
00:53:57.000Well, you can't talk your way out of that.
00:54:18.000Where a guy would typically get folded up like a cheap shirt, and then he has a decision to make.
00:54:23.000Okay, I'm not as tough as I thought I was, and learn this, or deny reality and still tell everyone at the bar that you've never lost a fight.
00:55:43.000I mean, I've always referred to it as sort of an ego death that you have to go through because before I started boxing, I thought I was a tough guy because I'd been in a bunch of street fights and I sort of grew up on the wrong side of the tracks in Melbourne.
00:55:57.000I was always, you know, I went to four different high schools, kept getting kicked out, was always in trouble with the police and these sorts of things.
00:56:02.000So I thought I was a bit of a tough guy because I'd been in street fights.
00:56:05.000So, first day I walked into my boxing gym when I was 19, my security guard at work introduced me to his friend Ed, who was this boxing trainer.
00:56:53.000And then he pulls me aside and he says, I don't know who the f told you you knew how to throw a punch, but they lied to you.
00:56:59.000And then for the next three sessions, he had me on a little cross with sticky tape in the middle of the boxing ring, doing back and forth footwork step one forward, step one back, step to the left, step to the right, end up back in the cross for the next three sessions.
00:57:16.000And I was getting pissed because I was like, dude, everyone else is training and I'm here on this cross like a dummy.
00:57:20.000And I guess he just wanted to see if I was persistent.
00:58:14.000And then that was such an ego death because I realized at that moment that everything that I thought I was was totally wrong.
00:58:20.000Actually, I was kind of weak and I was actually kind of a coward because I was scared and I was going through this experience where I'd been manhandled and belittled, and all of those.
00:58:32.000Walls that I had erected, all of those like false conceptions that I had of myself as some tough guy who can really defend myself, yeah, crumbled.
00:58:38.000Well, I think that's a big disconnect between men and women.
00:58:40.000And by the way, this is not to say that men are better than women, or I mean, we're better at most things physical, obviously, all things physical.
00:58:45.000But, um, the different messaging, like, you can't have a hit single or a show telling young men you're perfect just the way you are because no one would watch it.
00:58:55.000Men, like, come on, what are you doing?
00:58:57.000There has to be some sense of realism, but it can be pumped toward women.
00:59:02.000Um, you know, most women don't go through that experience of getting their eyes.
00:59:05.000So just, Consider that only its beauty, which by the way, women are the worst in judging each other on beauty.
00:59:11.000But they just go, Well, I'm beautiful just the way I am.
00:59:14.000You're not challenged on it, where it's like, I can punch.
00:59:26.000There isn't that same death to your ego.
00:59:28.000Yeah, and I think that it's also just like boundaries because men, I feel like we have to move in a way where we are going to have the strongest possible tribe.
00:59:38.000To fight off, and maybe this is me looking into it too much, but I feel like men kind of have to have a tribe where we are immune to outside forces and we don't really have many chinks in our armor.
00:59:50.000And if you're a man and you feel like you're with a few liabilities, guys who wouldn't jump in if somebody jumped you, or guys who wouldn't have your back if life really went south for you, then you just sort of know that and you don't really want to sort of get too close to them.
01:00:03.000But if you do have guys around you who are loyal and who are going to have your back in times of peril, then that is sort of what you want.
01:00:10.000So, in order to cultivate that, We form different boundaries.
01:00:14.000And one of the boundaries will be that ego death, is why we always give each other s.
01:00:34.000But yeah, we need to have those things.
01:00:36.000And a lot of the restrictions that we put on each other are, for example, the ego death.
01:00:40.000If you have someone who has too big an ego, you're going to just relentlessly pick on them until they're brought back down to where they roughly are in the pecking order, right?
01:01:15.000Same thing, like, I give Toolman crap all the time.
01:01:16.000Like, are you sure about how that TriCaster is working?
01:01:18.000Because literally, you could seat me in front of that thing and say, We're going to lock this room and you do not get out until you figure out how to work it properly.
01:01:25.000And I would, you just find my bones here like 30 years from now.
01:01:47.000Because you said you kind of went from libertarian to Christian nationalist, kind of covering debate.
01:01:51.000What do you think is most important, like, that you want to cover?
01:01:54.000Going forward, or you think is something that needs to be touched on because now media is so fractured and people need to balance finding their voice in the space versus a sense of purpose?
01:02:05.000I would say rudimentary philosophy and rudimentary logic is really important because that can help you to really tie the loose ends up of your worldview.
01:02:14.000So, for example, as a secularist, they will very oftentimes make claims in which they have absolutely no justification for.
01:02:22.000And if you are a Christian, you can quite easily debunk these things.
01:02:26.000Like secularists are always basically just trying to grant themselves that they should be the ruling authority.
01:02:30.000Christian nationalists, we can't have that because they're going to rule over us with their dogma.
01:02:36.000You guys do the exact same thing, except people don't have the requisite knowledge of philosophy to push back on you and to put you in a corner and make it apparent and obvious that you're doing the exact same thing.
01:02:50.000Just because you're a secularist doesn't mean that you don't have dogmas of your own about abortion and gay rights and about secularism itself.
01:02:57.000So I would say, rudimentary understanding of philosophy.
01:03:00.000And logic and debate skills and all these sorts of things is really important.
01:03:03.000That's why I try and promote a lot of my channel, why I try and go through not only the ideas being presented, but also the debate tactics and kernels of knowledge here and there about basic foundational logic.
01:03:17.000Do you think that that's something necessary?
01:03:18.000Because a lot of people come to sort of red pillism or sort of right wing conservative nationalism, whatever you want to call it.
01:03:26.000Some of them come to it simply through contrarianism and then they too need a basis for it, and you're hoping that they go a little deeper?
01:03:34.000I do think that a lot of people these days base their worldview upon their own life experiences.
01:03:38.000So, for example, if you're a young guy and you feel dispossessed or disenfranchised, you're going to look at some of the different factions that are going on and you're going to sort of hitch your wagon to the red pill because I'm struggling with dating.
01:04:15.000So, yeah, so basically, just yeah, understanding what was I saying?
01:04:20.000Oh, yeah, men are sort of hitching their wagons to whatever it is that is apparent to their own current dilemma, essentially.
01:04:28.000So, guys who might be 20, 21 years old, broke, you know, ugly, not getting attention from women, why are all these guys getting all the attention?
01:04:36.000What's this Andrew Tate guy saying over here?
01:04:38.000They're going to hitch their wagons to that, but they don't have actually any fundamental knowledge of why they believe what they believe.
01:04:43.000So, understanding a little bit about maybe epistemology, what knowledge is, how we come to knowledge claims.
01:04:49.000Why we know what we know, why we think we know what we know is really important, then you can examine it on a bit of a deeper level.
01:05:36.000Well, at least you weren't out there in the killing fields.
01:05:38.000So, Jake, well, Jake Julius, but I want to say Rattlesnake TV because I keep, whenever I hear Rattlesnake, I think Jake the Snake, and I keep thinking of that famous we've talked about.