Biden and Grumman discuss the Oscars, Tik TokTok, and whether or not TikTok users should be allowed to use their device in public schools. Plus, a special guest joins us on the show to give his thoughts on the latest in pop culture.
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00:03:37.000Biden apologizes for calling a killer And illegal, because that's the offensive part of that sentence.
00:03:44.000And get this, liking outdoorsy girls is gay.
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00:03:51.000Look, we are going to talk about some subjects today that are probably going to get us in a little bit of trouble.
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00:09:03.000We used to livestream the Oscars because it used to be a little bit more entertaining and, you know, until Will Smith decided to slap the crap out of, you know, what's his name?
00:11:18.000That caused quite a bit of controversy and I hate all of you.
00:11:22.000I'm going back to the top of this, the stinger.
00:11:24.000I said, I gave specific instructions that, hey, we used to do the Oscars, we've got to have a stinger laying around that we can kind of repurpose and just have the Oscars and I can throw it to it and it'll be nice and then... Well, we did that.
00:11:37.000Well, that was the first part of that.
00:12:26.000So there's this term going around X and stuff.
00:12:29.000I came kind of from middle-of-the-road people using the term woke right and I think this elicited a reaction from the woke right where Everything suddenly is a victimization of something.
00:12:40.000And I remember one person, I won't name his name, he said, the continued emasculation of the white male.
00:13:32.000Well, look, so my problem with this is relatively minor because I thought it was funny, but it, you know, you've got Barbie.
00:13:40.000As one of the movies that attracted a lot of kind of younger girls and maybe they're watching this, maybe they're not, maybe their parents let them stay up and do it.
00:13:51.000It's like, it is a little risque for kind of, I mean, we do show people in scantily clad outfits way too often anyway, so this is not the only time we've done it.
00:14:01.000But now you've shown this guy and what obviously is supposed to be kind of a funny bit, which I think it was, like that was the first thing that I did.
00:14:57.000That's what he does for a living, guys.
00:15:00.000You're gonna have to make him fully clothed if you want to shame him.
00:15:02.000I don't know, maybe put him in a baggy burka or something, and that's shaming.
00:15:06.000I don't know, but that guy's pretty ripped.
00:15:07.000It's like saying Donald Trump is an idiot for having slept with models!
00:15:12.000It doesn't land the way you think it does.
00:15:14.000Yes, it's deplorable that if he's sleeping around on people and cheating on his wife, fine, I get that, but when you use models, use Eugene Carroll!
00:15:22.000For goodness sake, say he slept with her, people would be like, yeah, that sucks.
00:15:26.000The other thing that I hated about this was Jimmy Kimmel.
00:15:30.000I'm just glad for the John Cena thing, I'm just glad they gave him a role that wasn't focused on his acting.
00:15:38.000That's kind of a cold take, too, because John Cena is ejectively hilarious.
00:15:42.000He's usually the best part about the movies that he's in.
00:16:38.000What's the matter with you, you judgmental... I think Artie Dre's doing great, good for him for being clean and everything, but the dude, he just, I don't know, just the whole vegan thing just kind of came off weird with him.
00:16:47.000No, no, no, no, I don't support all of his life decisions.
00:16:49.000I'm just saying, generally speaking, he's a decent guy.
00:16:52.000Most people, like, he's not out there Being a pedophile, which is what a lot of people in Hollywood apparently do, allegedly.
00:16:58.000But then Jimmy Kimmel, who's completely unfunny, takes a poke at him when he wins his first Oscar.
00:18:58.000That's the first solid point of the show for you.
00:19:00.000So let's keep rolling as we get into Trump.
00:19:04.000So look, there is a bill that is aimed at TikTok, and it is expected to be voted on this week to ban them from the United States.
00:19:13.000The battle to ban TikTok intensifying in Washington, with House leaders confirming they'll vote next week on a bill that would effectively ban the app, unless it's sold by its Chinese parent company ByteDance.
00:19:25.000We can't have a foreign controlled social media app pushing misinformation, certainly not to our children.
00:19:31.000Yeah, that's the job of American companies to push misinformation.
00:19:36.000I'm probably not going to let a Chinese Communist Party company do that.
00:19:40.000The House Committee did vote unanimously, and Biden says that he would actually sign the bill.
00:19:44.000So all of this looks like it's leading towards TikTok being kind of quote-unquote banned, but that's not quite what they're saying, right?
00:20:01.000So Lane, tell me just a little bit about this.
00:20:02.000When this originally came up under Donald Trump, I remember talking about it and talking about the difficulties with TikTok and ByteDance and all of that stuff.
00:20:10.000So for people who don't know and just look at TikTok and go, why are we banning this?
00:20:13.000Tell them why we think it's a good idea.
00:20:15.000So the parent company, ByteDance, is a Chinese-based organization, right?
00:20:21.000And in China, they operate the same app, but it's called Douyin.
00:20:24.000And then in the West and other foreign countries, they have TikTok, which the offered content on Douyin and TikTok is very different.
00:20:31.000So the stuff that you're seeing in America on TikTok is vastly different than what a Chinese audience would see on their version of the app.
00:20:37.000They're seeing like engineering and like, they're basically prizing those videos.
00:20:41.000They have makeup tutorials and stuff like that too, but it's not designed to be as addictive as the TikTok version of the app is.
00:20:48.000And more than that, the security holes or the security backdoors that TikTok has installed that link it directly to the Chinese Communist Party, which I don't know if you've checked, is not our best friend in the world.
00:21:01.000I haven't checked, but I'm pretty sure.
00:21:03.000They're so concerning that there's pretty much, outside of a small vocal group on both sides, a large bipartisan consensus, and I know Stephen hates the term bipartisan, but it's so glaringly obvious that it's just very hard to argue against some sort of action on the app.
00:21:17.000Okay, so this proposal has absolutely, basically has enraged TikTok and all of the people that love TikTok, and so there's been this campaign For you know the last week or so and people taking to X I know we call it Twitter and X I mean just to make sure that people the app formerly known as Twitter um and so here's here's one of them right now so the bill is an outright ban on TikTok no matter how much the authors try to disguise it this legislation will trample the first amendment rights of 170 million Americans and deprive 5 million small businesses of a platform they rely on to grow and create jobs that was from TikTok
00:21:50.000their ex account and other people were supporting that and kind of parroting it. They were also
00:21:55.000doing a little bit more than that. So they also used an in-app pop-up on TikTok to prompt users
00:22:00.000to contact lawmakers to stop this kind of ban. So they're calling it a total ban. So this is
00:22:05.000a messaging campaign right now. Both sides are kind of trying to fight this battle and see if
00:22:10.000they can get the public to kind of back them. But the bill is also getting pushback from high-profile
00:22:14.000Republicans that you would not think would necessarily be pushing back on something like
00:22:19.000this, including Donald Trump and Vivek Ramaswamy, two people that we love and really appreciate
00:23:22.000President Donald Trump said late Friday he would sign an executive order to ban TikTok in the United States, ratcheting up the pressure on the Chinese owner to sell the popular short video app.
00:23:34.000The move would be the culmination of U.S.
00:23:36.000national security concerns over the safety of the personal data on TikTok, which is handled by Chinese company ByteDance.
00:23:44.000That is the most boring way to tell a story.
00:24:35.000He's making threats that ends up being stuff that he's not really planning on doing, but it lets the other people know that he's not afraid to hit the nuclear button on issues.
00:24:42.000Like saying, hey, they don't pay their fair share to join NATO when they're in NATO.
00:24:46.000I hope he goes and invades those guys.
00:24:48.000We're not going to come to their defense.
00:24:49.000That's kind of a negotiation tactic for him.
00:24:51.000That's putting pressure on people to do what's right, even though he's not really encouraging Russia to invade a NATO partner.
00:25:10.000Then I don't remember which court it was said it didn't In February of 2023, Vivek Ramaswamy expressed support for banning TikTok on X. And yes, I'm very open to banning TikTok outright.
00:25:16.000and then he- They basically just stopped the challenge to the-
00:27:33.000And then you have people over here like you, Josh Feierstein, and you, Tesla Tim, because I'm using that name because I'm pissed off at you.
00:27:40.000You're saying, I got it on the second try!
00:27:42.000It makes below average fathers look better!
00:27:47.000Or you just give your kid a gambling addiction.
00:27:50.000Just kidding, you're not below average fathers, guys.
00:29:41.000I think it's a sensible measure regardless of the company.
00:29:45.000Okay, so we're going to do a little experiment here.
00:29:49.000I understand what he's saying, but I also understand that people in the political sphere will kind of say sometimes whatever they need to say.
00:29:57.000And it does look really weird for us to show clips from not so long ago, especially with Vivek, and then clips of today and see what seems to be an incredibly Stark difference in the case of Donald Trump signing an executive order and actually pushing forward with this measure and then now saying not to.
00:30:13.000Vivek saying that he thinks it's fine to do an outright ban.
00:30:16.000Word that you pointed out, outright ban.
00:30:18.000And now saying, I actually support Donald... I had to, I'm sorry.
00:30:47.000I'm just saying, look, if he's being 100% honest, and this is what he truly believes, then I understand it.
00:30:53.000You can use TikTok as the momentum changing company, the face of the problem, and say any company doing business in the United States is not allowed to give this kind of user data to any of these foreign governments.
00:31:20.000But if that's what he's saying, then that's something that I could probably get behind because what he said was reasonable.
00:31:24.000It says, doesn't take care of the issue that we have with Facebook and a bunch of other companies that are basically doing the same thing because they're beholden to China as well.
00:31:32.000It's not just about being involved with the CCP.
00:31:44.000The game was not in China or in Hong Kong where they were kicked out.
00:31:47.000So I understand that they have an undue influence and I understand that we are all hypocritical when we look at these companies and don't call them out for that sense.
00:32:00.000First of all, those other companies... Mine or theirs, or both?
00:32:04.000Well, yours to an extent, but not necessarily.
00:32:07.000I understand where you're trying to come from.
00:32:08.000You're trying to see his position, and I appreciate that.
00:32:10.000Again, I'm assuming he's being completely honest.
00:32:12.000I tried to see it, I saw it, and I hate it.
00:32:16.000First of all, these other social media companies that he's talking about, there's no allowance for them to exist at all in China, which is...
00:32:25.000Our pacing threat of a lifetime, they're our most critical adversary since at least World War II, and that's not really even arguable.
00:32:33.000Now, beyond that, yes, we should look at all those things that he said as far as banning any companies from sharing U.S.
00:32:39.000citizens' user data with the Chinese or any foreign adversary.
00:32:43.000However, stopping TikTok from doing so is going to require so much more than it would requiring those companies to.
00:32:50.000It's going to require so much more oversight, different mechanisms, because it's inherently a national security issue with a company that we don't have access to.
00:33:00.000We don't have access to the engineers.
00:33:01.000So anything that we issue as law that covers, in a blanket term, all these other social media companies is not going to have the same effect on TikTok anyway.
00:33:11.000So TikTok and ByteDance are always going to need special legislation that is formatted through a national security lens to deal with this.
00:33:21.000And for the first time, it's a problem that's so obvious.
00:33:23.000You have 90% of people on both sides of the aisle, except your radical weirdos like AOC, and all of a sudden now, I'm not calling Vivek or Trump or Rand Paul, whoever, radical, but all of a sudden they became strange bedfellows with the radical left on this TikTok thing.
00:33:38.000Don't we think there's an issue there?
00:33:40.000Because in the middle, we have a group of people From Democrat to Republican that are looking at a problem that said, this is so obvious, we have a way to solve it right now, we can do the other stuff, but why are we not solving this problem that's in front of us?
00:34:13.000People look at TikTok and they understand for the most part what it is, except everyone writing the bill.
00:34:17.000I doubt any of them have actually used TikTok.
00:34:19.000But understanding that this is potentially a problem, we've dealt with it before, so this is a really good example to use to get something done.
00:34:29.000Most Americans had no idea how to pronounce Huawei.
00:34:32.000It starts with an H. Well, that was more about the hardware.
00:34:35.000I understand, but it wasn't something that they could run with because it's not a social media company that most people use and understand and go, Oh, okay.
00:35:31.000You and I, we'll talk about this, or come on the show and talk with Steven about it, because we need to understand why, all of a sudden, This position seems to be changing for not only you, but also for the president.
00:35:41.000You are speaking for Donald Trump in a lot of ways, so we need a little bit more understanding.
00:35:45.000I would love to invite you on the show to make sure that we understand the position that you guys are advocating for, because right now it does look a little weird.
00:35:52.000Okay, so let's get into one more thing about this.
00:36:30.000He also recently met with Trump at a Club for Growth retreat.
00:36:34.000And in this cycle, he's been very critical of Donald Trump and funded his opponents.
00:36:39.000And he also donated about $5 million to Vivek starting last summer.
00:36:43.000So the connection here with this guy, and he's been critical of Donald Trump, and all of a sudden these guys, you and I were talking about this before the show, Donald Trump's been invited to speak at a Club for Growth event, right?
00:36:54.000And it's one of those things where it's like, okay, people get invited to speak at stuff all the time.
00:36:58.000Well, not when you typically are mortal enemies with somebody else.
00:37:01.000clearly was trying to bankroll other people to keep Trump out. And he had
00:37:04.000mentioned how it was very hard to dissuade Trump from running because he
00:37:07.000was not held to the certain kind of mechanisms that funding, you know, if you need
00:37:12.000funding for your campaign, Trump was not, he was kind of impervious to those
00:37:15.000because he's a self-made dude. Yeah. So all of a sudden, oh, money starts flowing.
00:37:21.000And so listen, again, this is one of those things.
00:37:25.000But if this is happening, he needs to address it.
00:37:27.000He needs to make sure he's completely transparent with people.
00:37:30.000And if his position is only changing because of the finances involved, that's wrong.
00:37:34.000His positions should be his position, which normally that's the case for him.
00:37:37.000So I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
00:37:39.000But We need some clarification on this before I am fully going to say, OK, I understand, because right now I don't.
00:37:45.000Yass has also given $10 million to Rand Paul, who also opposes the ban.
00:37:51.000And Rand Paul cited First Amendment protections as justification on X. So here's his post.
00:37:55.000The TikTok bill recently advanced by the House would endanger the First Amendment and empower the federal government to ban social media platforms.
00:38:02.000Okay, that's very reasonable and understandable.
00:38:04.000And he had some other people come to his defense and say that they agreed.
00:39:11.000According to leaked audio from more than 80 internal TikTok meetings, China-based employees of your company have repeatedly accessed non-public data of United States citizens.
00:39:21.000Your company has tracked journalists improperly gaining access to their IP addresses, user data, in an attempt to identify whether they're writing negative stories about you.
00:39:33.000Your platform is basically an espionage arm for the Chinese Communist Party.
00:39:38.000Why should you not be banned in the United States of America?
00:41:47.000But look, there's an issue with gathering information, gathering data, and then using that data against citizens.
00:41:56.000You don't just have a problem when they can take out your services.
00:41:59.000You have a problem when they can influence people to do things when they don't even have to attack at all.
00:42:05.000All they have to do is kind of dumb down the population a little bit with dance videos all the time, or people doing really stupid things that are going to end up hurting them, right?
00:42:14.000And promoting that to as many kids as possible, understanding that you don't know what the algorithm is actually trying to do.
00:42:38.000They've gone after, and I mean the current administration, and I mean people that are like them in the Democrat Party, they have gone after this kind of behavior before.
00:42:46.000When they put that kind of truth, and what was the ministry of truth or whatever the heck it was, maybe that was just the nickname that we all gave it.
00:42:53.000Essentially the Ministry of Truth to go after fake news and to go after misinformation and disinformation and now we had to have different terms for all of these things.
00:43:02.000That's exactly what this is, except it's being weaponized not just for clicks and money and some minor control, it's being weaponized against an entire population.
00:43:32.000So if we wanted to get more into Rand Paul's tweets, he was like, Trump tried to ban this with Project Texas, which is like Oracle would get access to the code and be able to wall off and keep the user data inside the US, except That didn't happen at all.
00:43:44.000And within, like, months, the engineers were like, there's too much new code coming from China every day.
00:44:15.000One of the other things is that when you look at TikTok, you also have to look at them in relation to other companies because, you know, Donald Trump is making the point that Facebook is just as bad, and I think they potentially are, but maybe not quite.
00:44:27.000TikTok actually scored dead last out of 23 apps on tracking and privacy in a study including Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter, now X, right?
00:45:38.000But if TikTok does not do what their parent company ByteDance does, which is what the CCP wants them to do, The company probably goes away.
00:45:56.000I think it's time to make sure that you fix TikTok's problem and you fix the problem with the rest of the companies that might be sending user information to foreign adversaries.
00:46:15.000So if it gets through, let's say it gets blocked in the Senate and the people that block it are the 52 or whatever Democrats that are in there.
00:46:24.000So now all of a sudden everybody said good for the ban except Senate Democrats and our top and our nominee for President of the United States.
00:47:34.000I don't think I'd vote for AOC, but I would literally vote for somebody whose only plan is to make sure that that clock never changes again.
00:49:12.000All right, so let's finish up with a little bit of Joseph Robinette Biden.
00:49:18.000If you watched our stream last Thursday, if you were one of the well over 200,000 people to do so, we thank you very much for watching it live.
00:49:26.000You heard that you have to subscribe or you're gay, along with many, many other things, and that they also held my family hostage.
00:49:33.000Don't worry, we met the minimum, they're safe.
00:49:35.000But on Saturday, in an interview with MSNBC, our former Vice President Joe Biden apologized for calling Lakin Riley's, not Lincoln Riley's, Lakin Riley's killer in Illegal.
00:49:49.000I noticed the look of surprise on your face when you walked into the chamber and you saw Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene.
00:50:12.000And look, when I spoke about the difference between Trump and me, one of the things I talked about on the border was that his, the way he talks about vermin, the way he talks about these people polluting the blood.
00:50:23.000I talked about what I'm not going to do, what I won't do.
00:50:26.000I'm not going to treat any, any of these people with disrespect.
00:51:23.000This guy went out and killed somebody.
00:51:28.000And we're saying we need to be careful with how we refer to this person because technically, no, objectively, he was not supposed to be here and we caught him.
00:51:38.000We had a chance to get him out of here, but it's only because of a whole cities like New York that have sanctuary city laws.
00:51:45.000That he was even allowed to be there anymore!
00:53:26.000taxpayers over 150 billion dollars per year. That's good for the deficit.
00:53:36.000Also known as seven and a half border walls.
00:53:39.000Again, I'm pricing these things in border walls because we can solve the problem six and a half more times than we need to in just one year's worth of money.
00:55:23.000We basically started a war in their country.
00:55:25.000Yeah, we should have probably taken some of the men.
00:55:28.000Look what they did when they got here.
00:55:29.000They've done nothing but become one of the largest outperforming socioeconomic groups in the whole country.
00:55:35.000They're great in school, they're great in the business community, so this is clearly not a specific race thing, but there are some cultures that suck.
00:55:46.000I'm sorry, when's the last time you used anything that was developed in Central America?
00:57:38.000But do you know what I'm talking about?
00:57:39.000Before it was, we come here and you become a monolithic, you become part of the monolithic American culture and you put little parts of your culture in that might help benefit the society at large.
00:57:48.000Now it's like, well actually I'm gonna come here, maintain every part of my shitty culture that I fled at the expense of American culture writ large and it is unsustainable and I... Yeah.
00:58:24.000These people are coming in, and we're worried about how we refer to them.
00:58:28.000Our vice president, when talking about somebody being murdered, is worried more about the term, even though we know he 100% agrees with what he said his handlers just got to him.
00:58:36.000Really quickly, on the issue of crimes being committed by illegals, there was a Stanford University study of Mexican and Central American illegals are more likely to commit crimes than White Americans, European immigrants, Chinese immigrants, immigrants from anywhere else in the world!
00:58:53.000It's almost like the data backs up my anger.
00:58:57.000Literally any other immigrants, any other, and that includes places that want to kill us and wipe us off the map.
00:59:06.000If you had people coming in from Sudan, if you had people coming in from Iran, North Korea, Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world, people that want to kill America, Come in and commit less crime.
00:59:19.000So I don't understand why we have a problem understanding and dealing with this issue and specific examples of some of the migrant crime lately.
01:01:01.000Let's not do the same thing on the right with TikTok.
01:01:03.000Let's not do the same thing that he's doing right now and changing his mind because of political persuasion or money or whatever the hell else is going on.
01:01:10.000Donald Trump, Vivek Ramaswamy, we need a little bit more from you on this.
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