Louder with Crowder - July 25, 2025


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The LFTS team discusses Captain America: The First Avenger and the new addition to the MCU, Black Widow. Also, we discuss the controversy surrounding the movie and Tim Poonle's review of it, and our thoughts on it overall.

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00:00:00.000 Cool twist on it, how she becomes a Silver Server is nice. 1.00
00:00:04.000 I gave you a little bit of the backs.
00:00:05.000 Yeah, she's a mother.
00:00:06.000 Yeah, it's like, oh, okay, that's something that people can connect with.
00:00:09.000 A lot of family stuff.
00:00:12.000 And then the little sexual tension between her and the George or Flame Johnny or whatever his name is.
00:00:20.000 I thought that was fun.
00:00:21.000 That was a great idea.
00:00:23.000 From her being a female, a lot of his desire to problem solve came from like a sexual tension that they have with each other.
00:00:29.000 And it makes him, you put a woman in or a black person, no one cares as long as it serves the storyline. 0.97
00:00:34.000 This completely served the storyline.
00:00:36.000 Right.
00:00:38.000 I didn't see anything that was completely unnecessary. 1.00
00:00:40.000 I've seen a few people critique and say that Reed was an idiot. 1.00
00:00:45.000 He was a genius, then he was an idiot, then he was a genius, kind of figuring stuff out. 1.00
00:00:48.000 I'm like, I didn't really see that. 1.00
00:00:50.000 I mean, Ben Graham addressed that at one point. 1.00
00:00:53.000 He's like, yeah, you're an idiot. 1.00
00:00:53.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:00:56.000 And he goes, yeah, you're a genius, but can you cook?
00:00:58.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:00:59.000 Well, and he was a new father.
00:01:00.000 And so there was other considerations.
00:01:02.000 So look, I think overall, we all like the movie.
00:01:05.000 I was surprised.
00:01:06.000 I walked out of the movie going, huh?
00:01:08.000 Like, I hated the audience that I was sitting in because I had, you know, teenagers in there making fart noises.
00:01:14.000 That's hilarious. 1.00
00:01:15.000 All of you idiots. 1.00
00:01:18.000 Spoiler. 1.00
00:01:19.000 It wasn't teenagers making fart noises.
00:01:21.000 It was just some guy.
00:01:22.000 The one thing I want to touch on super quick is how many people jumped on my comment.
00:01:26.000 I'm like, that's a good movie. 0.98
00:01:27.000 Like, you're gay. 1.00
00:01:28.000 That's. 0.98
00:01:29.000 And I'm like, have you seen it?
00:01:30.000 No.
00:01:30.000 No, I haven't seen it.
00:01:31.000 Of course not.
00:01:32.000 So there's this still inherent desire to want to be kind of the victim of the culture wars.
00:01:38.000 Yeah.
00:01:39.000 When I think there's actually a turning point and we should celebrate that we've pushed to get back to this point.
00:01:44.000 Yes.
00:01:45.000 And so that's my one of my problems with Tim Poole's review of this movie.
00:01:49.000 And look, Tim and I agree on a lot of different stuff. 0.90
00:01:51.000 Like I'm not angry at Tim or anything, but when it comes to movies, you can disagree with somebody and say they're an idiot and mean it specifically for their opinion on a movie because it's an opinion. 0.96
00:01:59.000 I guess I thought his take was just that it was just terrible. 0.71
00:02:02.000 Like he gave it a three out of 10.
00:02:03.000 And I was just like, listen, if we want movies to go, like I, all I want to do right now is move the line from getting DEI'd and storylines kind of contrived and re kind of recycled, but with just replacement characters that are going in different directions, either racially or with gender or with sexuality.
00:02:22.000 If we can just get movies that don't do that, and then maybe like just not anti-American, it doesn't have to be super over-the-top pro-American right now.
00:02:29.000 We're so anti-American in some of these things.
00:02:31.000 I just want to move away from that.
00:02:32.000 So every time we get a movie like that, I'm like, oh, good, that's a step in the right direction.
00:02:36.000 There may be some imperfections, but listen, this is not the Marvel slop that a lot of people are like, there's just more Marvel slop.
00:02:42.000 You haven't seen the movie, most likely.
00:02:44.000 Even if you see it and you think that, that's also fine.
00:02:44.000 That's fine.
00:02:47.000 But I just disagree vehemently.
00:02:48.000 This actually had a good storyline to it.
00:02:50.000 It was a good relaunch of a brand that was very popular that they completely screwed up before with the original.
00:02:57.000 It's a completely different story than the rest of the Marvel stuff.
00:02:59.000 It's in a different universe.
00:03:00.000 It's on a different Earth.
00:03:01.000 The time is different.
00:03:02.000 It's like a modern yet retro time.
00:03:04.000 Which is really weird.
00:03:06.000 You're interesting things around.
00:03:07.000 You can do space travel, but you can't have flat screens.
00:03:10.000 Someone said it.
00:03:11.000 It's like, well, that was fine.
00:03:12.000 No, I thought they have tubular televisions in the middle of a building.
00:03:15.000 That's sort of set in what people in the 1950s would have imagined today looks like.
00:03:20.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:03:21.000 And so the fact that they made it in that time.
00:03:24.000 Yeah.
00:03:24.000 At first, I was wondering about that.
00:03:25.000 And then I was like, you know what?
00:03:26.000 This works really, really well.
00:03:28.000 Like, that was very good.
00:03:29.000 They summed up some of the history really well.
00:03:31.000 You got to hear a little bit more about Galactus.
00:03:32.000 All of that stuff was pretty cool.
00:03:34.000 And Pedro Pascal, for all of his faults and being and everything, actually did a pretty good job acting.
00:03:38.000 My only critique is that it didn't need him.
00:03:40.000 No, it could have been somebody else.
00:03:40.000 It could have been somebody else very easily, and it would have been fine as long as it was a decent actor and you're good to go.
00:03:45.000 Yeah, there's some roles that you're like, like Iron Man needed Robert Dunne.
00:03:49.000 It needed Robert Dunny.
00:03:49.000 It really did.
00:03:50.000 The thing this movie did, and Josh and I were talking about it, is especially when Reed and Sue would have a conversation about their child or the impending doom of the planet.
00:03:58.000 They sat on emotional moments and let it breathe.
00:04:02.000 And it felt like a real argument between a husband and wife.
00:04:05.000 They did not.
00:04:05.000 And it wasn't really an argument.
00:04:06.000 They were both on the same page in a way, but they were just expressing their emotion.
00:04:09.000 I thought it was great. 0.96
00:04:10.000 But there was not the stupid Marvel humor that they felt the need to incessantly insert to break up moments like that. 0.99
00:04:16.000 It was so dumb, but they let emotion linger. 0.99
00:04:19.000 And it's like, oh, this is what draws people to characters. 0.99
00:04:21.000 Yeah.
00:04:21.000 And I agree with that.
00:04:22.000 And they also listen, you know, for all of you guys out there who are worried that maybe she's going to be the girl boss.
00:04:27.000 Let me just, let me just, she was essentially submitting to his decisions.
00:04:31.000 Yes.
00:04:32.000 Now she was trying to shape those decisions.
00:04:34.000 She was expressing concern and maybe fear.
00:04:36.000 She showed strength and fragility very well.
00:04:39.000 It's definitely an art and an art to their relationship.
00:04:41.000 That was good.
00:04:41.000 I was just like, yeah, that's how it's supposed to be right there.
00:04:44.000 That's a woman. 1.00
00:04:45.000 She can be very strong, but also has some moments where emotion and kind of this protection, but then going like, Reed, what are we going to do?
00:04:53.000 Like that was very interesting to me in a husband-wife relationship.
00:04:56.000 I was like, good, that's nobody should be offended by that.
00:04:59.000 It doesn't make her look weak at all.
00:05:01.000 It doesn't make him look like he's not.
00:05:03.000 And she kind of criticized him for the way, you know, for the way he thinks.
00:05:06.000 Yeah.
00:05:08.000 And then later in the movie, because of the way he thinks, she's like, he makes a hard decision the way you think right now.
00:05:13.000 Right.
00:05:13.000 He makes a very hard decision that she disagrees with.
00:05:16.000 But guess what?
00:05:16.000 He still makes that decision.
00:05:18.000 So anyway, I think I would recommend everybody go see this movie.
00:05:21.000 I think you're going to like it.
00:05:22.000 We do have to vote.
00:05:23.000 That's right.
00:05:24.000 That's right.
00:05:25.000 So is it mugs up or something?
00:05:27.000 Mugs up or mugs down?
00:05:28.000 It's definitely a mugs up for me.
00:05:29.000 Probably two mugs up.
00:05:31.000 It's not Top Gun Maverick, but it's two mugs up.
00:05:33.000 Mugs up.
00:05:34.000 Same for me.
00:05:34.000 Same for me.
00:05:35.000 Two mugs up if I had another one.
00:05:36.000 If you had another one.
00:05:38.000 This one's got like mashed potatoes on the bottom.
00:05:39.000 There we go.
00:05:40.000 And I really don't think this is just a case of, man, we've been waiting so long for just average again.
00:05:46.000 I think in any time, this is a pretty good movie.
00:05:47.000 It's a pretty good movie.
00:05:49.000 Yeah.
00:05:49.000 It takes a lot of bars.
00:05:50.000 It got me, it's like what an old Marvel movie used to do, where at the end of the movie, I see the movie and then I see the little teaser and I get excited for the next part.
00:05:58.000 I'm not even kidding.
00:05:59.000 That was what happened.
00:06:00.000 I was like, oh, I'm excited to see them return.
00:06:02.000 An autistic guy at my theater screamed when that happened.
00:06:06.000 A black, not autistic guy screamed in the theater, oh my gosh, it's effing and said the name, it's effing. 0.98
00:06:11.000 And I'm like, there's kids in here, bro, and effing. 0.81
00:06:13.000 And he said it four times.
00:06:15.000 No, my God.
00:06:15.000 He was so excited.
00:06:16.000 He was so excited.
00:06:17.000 I mean, look, I loved that.
00:06:19.000 That was one of the coolest features of the Marvel Universe as they were kind of building anticipation for these movies to kind of come together with different people coming in and the next one.
00:06:27.000 And so I think they're going to nail that with this.
00:06:29.000 We'll see.
00:06:29.000 If I had to criticize one thing.
00:06:32.000 We had such a positive vibe.
00:06:33.000 Well, one criticism is there was some, there's a bit of predictability in it.
00:06:36.000 There was.
00:06:37.000 Oh, yeah.
00:06:37.000 There was a bit of predictability in it.
00:06:38.000 And I hope they tighten that up.
00:06:40.000 The way they solve the problem at the end, too, is very, like, weird.
00:06:44.000 It's very convenient.
00:06:45.000 It is convenient.
00:06:46.000 Yeah, they could have done.
00:06:47.000 It's kind of predictable.
00:06:48.000 Just needed a little bit more work.
00:06:49.000 Not a lot, actually.
00:06:50.000 Just a little bit.
00:06:51.000 And you'd have been like, oh, okay, that makes sense.
00:06:52.000 Now I was like, well, why would he do that?
00:06:54.000 Yeah.
00:06:55.000 You'll understand it.
00:06:55.000 Make sure you stay through the previews through the credits.
00:06:58.000 And it'll be a good one.
00:06:59.000 Let's take two chats really quickly and then we'll be gone.
00:07:01.000 We have gone long today, but mostly...
00:07:02.000 Well, we've got to close the segment with a stinger joke.
00:07:05.000 Oh, that's...
00:07:06.000 Thank you.
00:07:19.000 Just want to see the noodles Sidney Sweeney ad again because it's hilarious.
00:07:24.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, don't do it.
00:07:25.000 I'm just saying.
00:07:26.000 We'll close on that.
00:07:27.000 We'll send you out with the hilarity of Mayor Chow.
00:07:32.000 Go ahead.
00:07:33.000 All right.
00:07:33.000 First chat from Swarty25.
00:07:36.000 Okay.
00:07:36.000 Give you a football one.
00:07:37.000 Question for Chris.
00:07:38.000 Any opinions on Trump pushing for the Washington commies to change their name back?
00:07:43.000 You know, this is one of those things where I don't care a whole lot.
00:07:46.000 I think they should change their name back.
00:07:47.000 Washington Redskins is the actual name, Cleveland Indians.
00:07:50.000 Like, we don't need to change names of sports teams.
00:07:53.000 It's not a government person.
00:07:54.000 It's not a problem.
00:07:56.000 I think it's not the president's business.
00:07:57.000 I think you're wasting time.
00:07:58.000 I mean, I know you live there and everything, but.
00:08:00.000 Yeah, if he just wants to make a comment or something like that to kind of weigh in and maybe help a conversation get going, I think that's fine.
00:08:06.000 If he's like, ah, look, I love the name when it was Washington Redskins.
00:08:09.000 Great.
00:08:09.000 There you go.
00:08:09.000 Just move on with your life.
00:08:11.000 You got bigger things to do.
00:08:12.000 So that's my thing.
00:08:13.000 I also don't know that he and really even Congress should be stepping into the NCAA stuff with the executive order he signed.
00:08:20.000 All of that stuff really bothers me because part of the part this problem is sorting itself out if you give it time.
00:08:25.000 It will sort itself out.
00:08:27.000 But let the NCAA take care of a lot of this.
00:08:30.000 And then if they overreach, as long as players and coaches and people on the other side have some power to be able to kind of push back, then I'm just going to take a look at it.
00:08:36.000 It feels like overreach.
00:08:38.000 A little bit of government.
00:08:39.000 That's kind of anti-Also go Irish.
00:08:41.000 This is like the perfect shirt, Trump and Notre Dame.
00:08:45.000 Like if you don't have this shirt.
00:08:46.000 Or hey, baby, what is Notre Dame?
00:08:49.000 The leprechaun, bro.
00:08:50.000 Cath.
00:08:51.000 Does that make you the hunchback?
00:08:54.000 Do you know how many state constitutions prevented Catholics from holding public office?
00:08:59.000 And they couldn't vote because of dual loyalty concerns.
00:09:02.000 We'll get into that conversation a different time.
00:09:04.000 This is college football.
00:09:06.000 Done with that.
00:09:06.000 Move on to the next one.
00:09:07.000 Final chat, if it's good.
00:09:09.000 All right.
00:09:10.000 Final question from Cake23.
00:09:12.000 Do you think the split with Elon Musk and DJT was real, especially with the launch of the Tesla dinner diner or whatever?
00:09:19.000 And SpaceX Starlink joint venture with T-Mobile.
00:09:22.000 Well, I don't know how any of those things would be related.
00:09:25.000 The diner is, I mean, it's not the Donald Trump Tesla diner.
00:09:28.000 What does that have to do with the.
00:09:29.000 Maybe they can.
00:09:30.000 We're not going to end on that chat.
00:09:31.000 It's going to anger me.
00:09:32.000 It's going to make me mad.
00:09:33.000 I'm going to go into lunch being angry at people.
00:09:35.000 I'm going to throw food.
00:09:35.000 I'm going to tip poorly.
00:09:37.000 I think everybody.
00:09:38.000 There's no chats because everybody's looking at Sidney Sweeney right now.
00:09:41.000 They're literally calling for an admonishment for Gerald.
00:09:44.000 What?
00:09:45.000 For what?
00:09:45.000 I'll take it.
00:09:48.000 You have to have good grounds, or at least fake grounds that sound good.
00:09:52.000 No, they don't have any grounds for it.
00:09:54.000 They just say admonish Gerald, please.
00:09:59.000 Don't you either.
00:10:00.000 Don't you?
00:10:03.000 You know how many people were so excited that when Stephen on Wednesday goes, and Gerald, how are you doing, Tim?
00:10:09.000 Bing, admonished. 0.80
00:10:10.000 You guys are sadists, all right? 0.98
00:10:12.000 You like me to be punished for no reason.
00:10:16.000 If I was ever trapped in the movie Saw and they were like, we're going to admonish him for every one of you guys that's watching, and it's like literally like axes falling on my head, spelling out admonish, you'd guys do it.
00:10:26.000 And you'd do it again to my dead corpse.
00:10:29.000 It's just wrong.
00:10:30.000 Last chat.
00:10:31.000 All right.
00:10:32.000 Torque Doctor asks, who do you think will be the next late night host to get the axe?
00:10:37.000 Josh, thank you for your service.
00:10:39.000 I mean, I thought.
00:10:40.000 I don't think Josh, thank you for your service, has a job.
00:10:43.000 Yeah, well, he could get the axe.
00:10:45.000 I don't know if anyone's going to get it.
00:10:46.000 You better do that, Josh.
00:10:47.000 I think if anybody's going to get it, I would assume that it'd be Seth Meyers because that's the same network.
00:10:55.000 And if they're going to cut late night, you know, Seth Meyers is less funny than Stephen Colbert.
00:11:01.000 Yeah.
00:11:01.000 For sure.
00:11:02.000 I'm sure less people watch it.
00:11:03.000 They might have a smaller budget and there's something there.
00:11:05.000 But if anyone's going to hit the axe, I think it'd be him.
00:11:07.000 I don't think ABC's going to cut Kimmel.
00:11:08.000 He's been on there for years.
00:11:10.000 I think NBC likes Avan Fallon.
00:11:12.000 Who's the other one?
00:11:14.000 Kimmel.
00:11:15.000 Kimmel, yeah.
00:11:15.000 ABC.
00:11:16.000 I think he's there to stay.
00:11:19.000 I think you're right.
00:11:19.000 I think it's probably Seth.
00:11:21.000 If anyone, yeah.
00:11:24.000 I think a lot of the networks are just looking at it from purely a financial perspective.
00:11:27.000 Obviously.
00:11:28.000 They do that a lot of times.
00:11:29.000 Sometimes they'll lose money on a show for a while.
00:11:31.000 That's what happened with Colbert.
00:11:32.000 I think there was negotiation.
00:11:34.000 So that's the thing.
00:11:34.000 It's not really a franchise in that same, but you've built a brand.
00:11:37.000 The brand can survive without him.
00:11:39.000 It'll be just fine.
00:11:40.000 It has before.
00:11:41.000 It's fine.
00:11:42.000 So you bring somebody in.
00:11:43.000 I think, huh?
00:11:44.000 The Colbert brand?
00:11:45.000 Yeah.
00:11:45.000 No, no, no, no.
00:11:46.000 The late show.
00:11:46.000 The late show.
00:11:47.000 But they're getting rid of the late show.
00:11:48.000 That's my whole point.
00:11:49.000 My whole point is they're not firing and moving on from Colbert.
00:11:51.000 So it's not just a Colbert issue.
00:11:53.000 It is the entire model.
00:11:55.000 So I think you're going to see that model be taken away completely.
00:11:58.000 But your point makes a lot more sense because if you're at that network that is getting away from that model, they're going to get rid of both, I think, eventually.
00:12:04.000 I think across all platforms, all of those networks, you're going to see major restructuring.
00:12:08.000 They may do like one or two broadcasts and then some reruns.
00:12:12.000 But I think a focus is going to start moving to their YouTube content and their online content because people still watch those clips on YouTube heavily.
00:12:20.000 Yeah.
00:12:20.000 But people are not tuning in live at 11 p.m. to watch CBS and ABC because you're 70 years old.
00:12:26.000 Or unless you have some like really cool content.
00:12:29.000 And right now, none of those guys' routines, like they may be kind of cool compared to like the 80-year-old hosts of the other like broadcast television that you see.
00:12:39.000 I would argue that relatively.
00:12:44.000 Pushing advertising for sure.
00:12:45.000 Yeah.
00:12:45.000 And a lot of us critiquing it, right?
00:12:46.000 Because we're saying like this stuff should die.
00:12:48.000 This stuff is dead right now.
00:12:50.000 I wonder what's going to fill that slot.
00:12:51.000 I mean, television isn't thriving, so I wonder what's going to fill that slot.
00:12:55.000 I don't know.
00:12:55.000 I mean, that's a really good point, but a lot of it's shifting.
00:12:57.000 You know when they cut the feed off and it just goes, tee.
00:13:00.000 Yes, go back to the Native American or the Indian.
00:13:06.000 Play us out, Tim.
00:13:07.000 We'll see you guys on Monday.
00:13:33.000 But it's a nasty word.