Making Sense - Sam Harris - March 20, 2020


#193 — Meditation in an Emergency


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Summary

In the wake of the coronavirus pandemic, many of us are struggling to keep our heads straight in the midst of the chaos and fear that is spreading across the globe. In this episode, Dr. Aaron Sorkin discusses the importance of mindfulness in the context of a growing emergency, and why meditation might be the best tool we can use to keep ourselves, and others, safe in the event of a pandemic like the one we are experiencing now. This episode is dedicated to the families affected by the current crisis, and to anyone else who needs to get their head straight in a crisis like this one, because we are all at risk of falling prey to the spread of fear, panic, and bad ideas that are being spread by the media, social media, and the media itself. I hope what I have to say is useful to anyone who is struggling to stay focused in the face of a rapidly increasing sense of panic and fear, or who wants to know what to do in a situation like this to help keep themselves, their family, friends and the rest of the wider world safe and secure. If you are struggling with anxiety, insomnia, or another medical problem, please talk to a doctor if you can. I understand that being able to see a doctor and receive treatment is a privilege that not everyone has, and that you can t afford to take care of yourself in a way that is safe and effective in a world that is not only for you, but also for you and your family and your loved ones. friends and family. Thank you for listening and supporting this podcast. I appreciate it greatly. - Aaron - thank you so much, and your support is greatly appreciated. Thank you, thank you for your support and support is so much appreciated, and I hope you can find some solace in this episode and your continued support is appreciated. - your support helps us to keep us all on this journey through this difficult and stressful time, and it helps us all to keep moving forward in the coming days and weeks, and we can keep on going forward in a better place. -- thank you, and keep on keep on coming back and forward, and more of these things in the next one, thank you! -- Thank you - Dr. . - Aaron, Aaron - and thank you is a kind message, Thankyou, Dr. David by Dr. Salkin


Transcript

00:00:00.000 I'm recording this on March 17th, 2020, as the coronavirus pandemic becomes a reality
00:00:09.480 for most of the globe.
00:00:13.420 Many of us are at different stages in our understanding of what's happening.
00:00:18.000 Reports out of Italy are, frankly, terrifying.
00:00:21.060 And the United States, as of 48 hours ago, it seems, has finally understood what's coming.
00:00:33.040 And it's clear that that understanding has come too late to respond in a way that really
00:00:39.420 would have been optimal.
00:00:41.020 So I want to talk about meditation in the context of a growing emergency.
00:00:48.660 Because, on the one hand, it can seem like the most dispensable of things.
00:00:56.720 Who has time to meditate in an emergency?
00:01:00.560 But I want to suggest to you two things.
00:01:04.000 That's the wrong way to think about your resources in any emergency.
00:01:08.820 But, particularly in this one, all the usual considerations are reversed.
00:01:15.080 This is a very strange emergency.
00:01:18.660 This is an emergency in which the most effective contribution you can make to your own well-being
00:01:26.120 and the well-being of others is to stay home.
00:01:30.360 Unless your presence out in the world is critical for the survival of others,
00:01:37.940 if you can possibly afford to stay home, you should do that.
00:01:42.520 I won't rehearse the epidemiological arguments here.
00:01:45.880 You've heard a lot about them.
00:01:47.740 But that is absolutely clear.
00:01:50.400 So you are being forced into a kind of retreat, right?
00:01:55.060 You very likely have more time on your hands.
00:01:58.740 And now you're left alone with your mind and with the stream of information coming to you
00:02:06.760 through social media and the news and the phone calls from worried friends and family.
00:02:13.220 And now you have a choice of what to do with your attention.
00:02:18.640 So this really is a unique situation.
00:02:21.680 This is something that most of us have never experienced.
00:02:25.940 And at this point, the reality of it is only beginning to set in.
00:02:30.220 This is also a situation in which, because we're dealing with a contagion, a biological contagion
00:02:39.280 and a social contagion, the spread of fear and bad ideas.
00:02:45.960 I mean, contagion is the order of the day here.
00:02:50.360 Because that's the case, our responsibility to get our head straight seems unusually acute.
00:02:58.380 But we affect people very directly in a crisis like this, all too directly.
00:03:05.980 If you don't take sufficient care with your hygiene here, you literally put the lives of
00:03:12.600 others at risk.
00:03:15.020 And mindfulness, a basic awareness of what you're doing with your hands, is in many cases
00:03:22.320 the only tool you have to keep you and others safe.
00:03:25.960 Many of us grimly laughed at the video of the public health spokesperson who at a press conference
00:03:34.060 was insisting on the importance of no longer touching one's face in public, only to then
00:03:40.760 demonstrate her total lack of self-awareness by licking her fingers before she turned the
00:03:46.060 page of her speech.
00:03:47.560 I think I tweeted at the time, how can we avoid touching our faces if we have no idea what
00:03:52.340 our hands are doing?
00:03:53.880 That really is a problem.
00:03:56.160 So I want to talk about this basic situation.
00:03:59.840 And I'm speaking to those of you who understand the value of meditation and have made it a
00:04:05.600 practice.
00:04:06.660 And I know that even many of you who have a practice are struggling now to do it in the
00:04:11.960 context of this increasingly stressful situation.
00:04:15.300 But I'm also speaking to those of you who are just beginning and are not yet sure of training
00:04:21.700 attention in this way.
00:04:23.920 And I'm speaking to those of you who are frankly skeptical of the whole enterprise.
00:04:28.020 I'm sure many of you think that something as effete and apparently inward and impractical
00:04:38.260 as paying attention to the breath or to the nature of your mind can be safely ignored under
00:04:46.520 conditions like these.
00:04:48.700 So I'm speaking to everyone.
00:04:50.240 I hope what I have to say is useful.
00:04:53.080 But before I begin speaking about meditation per se, I want to linger on this point about
00:04:59.060 contagion.
00:05:00.520 And I'm not just talking about the virus.
00:05:02.300 I'm talking about the way we affect one another, talking about our ethical and emotional entanglement
00:05:09.400 with our friends and family members and with the wider world at this moment, right?
00:05:17.160 Everything we say and do and how we say and do it affects the minds of others, right?
00:05:26.460 And many people are worried about spreading panic at this moment.
00:05:29.640 Honestly, I've been worried about convincing people that this situation has to be taken
00:05:36.180 seriously and that we should have begun the self-quarantine that is now being imposed on
00:05:42.320 many of us several weeks ago.
00:05:44.880 So whether you think people need to be comforted or have their concern aroused, it really matters
00:05:52.580 what you communicate and how you communicate it.
00:05:56.320 And I know that in my personal interactions with people in the last few weeks, I've felt
00:06:03.460 in myself an agitation which is ultimately unnecessary and unhelpful and quite personally toxic.
00:06:15.500 And it is something for which mindfulness as a quality of mind is really the only remedy.
00:06:22.820 For instance, if I'm speaking with my wife or my daughters and I have an ambient level of
00:06:30.980 anxiety running in the background, I either notice that or I don't.
00:06:36.740 And if I don't, everything is coming from that place.
00:06:41.060 Whatever message I'm imparting, I'm imparting my own stress in those moments.
00:06:46.700 And it's contagious and its effects are there to be seen.
00:06:51.960 You know, in those moments, I am no comfort to my daughters.
00:06:55.800 You know, one of whom is definitely old enough to understand the situation we're in and to
00:07:01.660 worry about it.
00:07:02.920 Right.
00:07:03.160 And there have been moments where my wife, Annika, has said, listen, you need to take a
00:07:09.180 moment and relax.
00:07:10.840 You're too agitated.
00:07:12.040 You're not good company right now.
00:07:15.220 Very appropriately, putting the onus on me to get my act together.
00:07:20.060 But without a real insight into the nature of anxiety through mindfulness, I would simply
00:07:28.040 have no tools with which to follow that advice.
00:07:31.700 I mean, yes, I could go watch television.
00:07:33.420 I could go work out.
00:07:34.420 I could go divert myself.
00:07:36.200 But I couldn't actually respond in the moment by releasing the stress, simply letting go
00:07:44.280 of it, standing free of it, and beginning again.
00:07:48.500 That takes training.
00:07:51.300 That is a skill.
00:07:52.880 It's every bit as much a skill as being able to ride a bike or perform a handstand.
00:07:59.220 Either you can do it or you can't.
00:08:01.920 And practicing mindfulness is the way you learn to do it.
00:08:05.280 So I view mental training very much like physical training as, among many other things, a kind
00:08:13.020 of disaster preparedness, right?
00:08:15.820 Who will you be on the most stressful day of your life when you lose your job or when someone
00:08:21.880 close to you gets sick or dies?
00:08:24.720 You will only have the mind that you have built for yourself.
00:08:29.380 You will only have the skills that you've acquired.
00:08:34.360 And honestly, the writing is on the wall here.
00:08:38.220 We are all going to experience, in a wide variety of ways, an extraordinary amount of
00:08:44.960 stress in the coming months.
00:08:47.320 There are very few occasions in life when you can more or less guarantee a kind of common
00:08:53.720 fate for societies.
00:08:56.580 I think war is probably the only other example I can think of.
00:09:01.400 We have all been inducted into a war of sorts.
00:09:06.140 And we really need to take care of ourselves and those around us.
00:09:11.920 And again, what is so unusual about this situation is that unlike almost any other crisis, the thing
00:09:21.840 that is being asked of us, unless we happen to be doctors and nurses or working directly
00:09:28.060 to keep the supply chain moving, the greatest contribution we can make at this moment is
00:09:34.920 to do nothing, to stay home.
00:09:37.460 And many people are saying this could last for weeks.
00:09:40.440 I can't say I know what I expect here, but I don't see what the off-ramp would be apart
00:09:47.100 from a true breakthrough in effective treatment or a vaccine.
00:09:52.360 And I have to believe that both of those things are many months away.
00:09:56.800 So virtually all of us have a lot of time on our hands at the moment.
00:10:04.620 And the challenge, certainly in every place where quarantine is voluntary, the challenge
00:10:11.800 will be to maintain this condition of social distancing.
00:10:16.620 And this very quickly becomes a mental health challenge.
00:10:19.800 We are deeply social creatures.
00:10:24.400 It is quite telling that solitary confinement is considered a punishment inside a prison.
00:10:32.040 People seem to prefer the company of even murderers and rapists to the prospect of being
00:10:37.460 locked alone in a room with their own minds.
00:10:40.820 And that is because an untrained mind, which is to say a perfectly normal one, can be an extraordinarily
00:10:48.860 unhappy place to be in.
00:10:52.600 Your own mind can be terrible company.
00:10:56.620 And if it is, you can be sure it's less than ideal company for others.
00:11:02.360 So if you care about your own sanity and you care about offering effective support for the
00:11:10.360 people around you, it's worth paying attention to the mechanics of your own mental suffering,
00:11:16.260 your own anxiety and self-concern and agitation.
00:11:21.500 Because the alternative is just to promulgate your unhappiness to others.
00:11:27.240 So a few thoughts on anxiety in this circumstance.
00:11:32.340 Well, first we should acknowledge that anxiety is very useful.
00:11:37.200 It's not something that you'd want to banish entirely from your mind.
00:11:41.220 It's a signal, right?
00:11:43.480 It is the emotional valence of certain thoughts, perceptions, social interactions that gets your
00:11:51.640 attention.
00:11:53.000 People who are incapable of feeling fear are deprived of a response to life that has an
00:11:59.800 obvious evolutionary rationale.
00:12:02.360 There's no mystery as to why we readily become afraid.
00:12:05.680 This has protected us physically and socially for eons, right?
00:12:11.660 So it's not a matter of getting rid of anxiety or fear, but what you can do, what you want
00:12:19.380 to do, what those who care about you wish you could do is let go of these emotions when
00:12:27.240 they're no longer useful, right?
00:12:28.920 The difference between feeling acutely anxious in response to new information that demands your
00:12:37.660 attention and being made chronically anxious by that information is total.
00:12:44.900 Those are descriptions of completely different minds.
00:12:48.460 And you really do have a choice of which mind you'll have, just as much as you can choose
00:12:55.780 to maintain your physical health.
00:12:58.280 You can choose what to eat and whether or not to exercise.
00:13:01.920 You can choose what you do with your attention.
00:13:05.660 But to be able to make that choice, you have to notice the mechanics here.
00:13:12.260 You have to notice thoughts as thoughts.
00:13:15.800 You have to notice the peripheral cascade of emotion for what it is, right?
00:13:22.580 As fully divorceable from the thoughts themselves.
00:13:26.800 And you have to learn to pay attention to these processes in a way that allows you to achieve
00:13:33.840 equanimity with them in the present moment.
00:13:37.640 So I'll give you a concrete example of this.
00:13:40.920 So today, again, is March 17th.
00:13:44.320 I was listening to the New York Times podcast, The Daily, this morning, where they interviewed
00:13:49.860 an Italian doctor who's working on the front lines of the coronavirus pandemic outside of
00:13:55.380 Milan, the part of Italy that has thus far been hardest hit.
00:13:59.460 And he's describing the experience of being a doctor in an ICU there.
00:14:05.220 And his emotion comes through, right?
00:14:09.180 He is holding back tears.
00:14:10.960 He's talking about being inundated with desperately ill people and having to triage them with
00:14:19.700 limited resources, literally having to decide whose life to try to save and who to let die.
00:14:27.500 And increasingly, these people are his colleagues, right?
00:14:31.500 Other doctors and nurses who are coming down with COVID-19, the illness born of this virus.
00:14:38.120 And certain things become absolutely clear when listening to this interview.
00:14:43.180 We're now hearing from doctors who are scared and overwhelmed and grief-stricken by what they're
00:14:50.800 experiencing.
00:14:51.940 And they are urging us to understand that this is coming to your city too.
00:14:59.240 And I'm hearing this in the context of knowing that my city has been very slow to respond.
00:15:05.820 So, as I'm listening to this, I can feel that I'm getting anxious.
00:15:11.860 I'm hearing reports of a tsunami that is coming.
00:15:15.740 I'm hearing about the devastation.
00:15:18.460 And I know that there is no principle of physics that is going to keep this wave from inundating
00:15:25.760 the spot where I'm currently sitting.
00:15:28.540 So, what do I do in that moment?
00:15:32.980 Well, there's part of this change in my emotion that is useful.
00:15:38.420 It's getting me to record this piece of audio, for instance.
00:15:42.680 It was directly upon hearing that where I thought, okay, there's something I need to say on this
00:15:48.120 topic that might strike a different note than the podcasts I've recently recorded.
00:15:53.260 So, it's energy that I could put to some use.
00:15:56.900 And hopefully some of you will find this useful in turn.
00:16:00.300 But most of the cascade of emotion that began to be kindled there, beyond feelings of just
00:16:09.840 compassion for our collective circumstance, most of it is worth letting go of.
00:16:16.120 Who I was when I came down to the kitchen to see my wife, it was better for me to be free from
00:16:23.740 anxiety in that moment, right?
00:16:26.440 Because there was nothing that would be helped by my imparting a feeling of urgency.
00:16:32.700 So, given my experience with meditation, I was able to notice the machinery here, the thoughts
00:16:39.300 that were getting triggered by listening to this podcast, and the emotions that were being
00:16:44.520 dragged into consciousness by them.
00:16:47.240 And if you don't have enough attention to notice thoughts, they simply seem to become you.
00:16:54.120 If you think, oh my God, we're 10 days behind Italy.
00:16:56.840 In 10 days, our hospitals are going to be just like this.
00:16:59.840 It's worth understanding the probability of that.
00:17:04.020 It's not worth helplessly ruminating about that, because you can't notice thoughts arise in
00:17:12.580 your own mind.
00:17:13.140 Again, the difference is not a matter of whether or not thoughts arise.
00:17:18.140 Thoughts will continually arise in your mind.
00:17:21.500 They're arising right now, competing with your ability to even understand what I'm saying.
00:17:28.580 I'm speaking, and you're trying to listen, but your mind is also speaking.
00:17:34.620 If you can't notice this process, it just feels like what you are.
00:17:39.840 Paradoxically, you feel identical to each thought as it arises in consciousness.
00:17:46.800 And now there is so much to think about.
00:17:50.420 Health concerns aside, we are witnessing an economic emergency unfold before us.
00:17:57.700 The U.S. stock market dropped more yesterday than it has at any point in history.
00:18:04.060 Even if there were no coronavirus, even if no one had any heightened health concerns, what's
00:18:11.120 happening to the economy at this moment is devastating.
00:18:14.900 Again, part of that emotional arousal will likely be useful.
00:18:20.760 It will get you to pay attention to things that you should pay attention to, to make decisions.
00:18:26.600 But most of the emotional response will be detrimental to anything you want to do, to your relationships,
00:18:34.200 to your own creative and emotional resources that you'll need even one hour from now.
00:18:39.940 If you have work that you can do from home, right, if your career is relatively spared by
00:18:47.080 recent events, how useful is it for you to be feeling excruciating anxiety while doing
00:18:54.580 that work?
00:18:55.740 How many minutes of every hour will it be useful for you to feel terrified?
00:19:02.580 These questions answer themselves, right?
00:19:06.400 So, you do want to get a handle on this, whether you ever thought meditation was your cup of
00:19:12.360 tea or not.
00:19:14.000 And all I can promise you is that you can do that.
00:19:18.120 But it takes training.
00:19:20.640 And it is training that most of us now have time for, or should have time for.
00:19:27.520 Again, the greatest contribution you could make to society now is to stay home.
00:19:35.740 And many of you are hearing this in places where your government has told you to stay home.
00:19:43.180 So, it's a very unusual situation we're in where this feeling of urgency needs to be channeled
00:19:51.440 into solitude and apparent inaction.
00:19:54.940 So, I just want to say that all the resources I think I have to give you direct insight into
00:20:02.300 the nature of your own mind in a way that makes a difference, I'm putting all of that
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00:21:22.260 of stress for any of you.
00:21:24.920 And with that, I will leave you to the rest of your day.
00:21:28.180 I just urge you to take a few minutes out of it to pay attention to the nature of your mind.