Making Sense - Sam Harris - January 11, 2022


#272 — On Disappointing My Audience


Episode Stats

Length

46 minutes

Words per Minute

140.30077

Word Count

6,565

Sentence Count

62

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

1


Summary

In the wake of January 6th, 2019, many of my listeners have expressed disappointment in the way I talk about the events of that day, and I thought it would be useful to talk about why this might be happening, and why I should have been better at it. And I think I have a theory about why it is that we are living in an information emergency and a collapse of public trust in our institutions, and that we should be worried about what we are hearing and what people are being told about it, rather than about what they are seeing and hearing from the information and disinformation that is being spread across the media and social media, and how they are being spread, and what we should do about it. I think that s a good question to ask ourselves, and to ask the question, why is it so important to have conversations about certain topics at certain moments in history? And why does it strike me as irresponsible to have them at certain times in history, and in particular, when they are the most influential and most influential? And what are we to blame? what is it that is preventing us from having conversations about things that matter the most to us, and the things we care about? and why should we be talking about them? And what does it mean that we can t have them, and shouldn t we talk about them, in the first place? I think it s time to have a conversation about them and not just about them ? a question that matters or not just to us in the context of the crisis we re living in the midst of the information emergency, and a crisis of our times, and our own ignorance and disinformation, and fake news, and that we re all living in a world that s poisoned by misinformation and disinformation and fake and fake news we re in a time where we re not allowed to have any real conversations about it ? and so on and so much it s all a wake-up call, and we don t have a real conversation about what s going to happen how do we can we know what s happening why we should we have a debate about it? What s going on in the future? what s it really matter and what s the point of it and how it s really going to be? How do we know it s gonna happen and where we should talk about it in the real world?


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Welcome to the Making Sense Podcast, this is Sam Harris.
00:00:25.560 Okay, 2022. That sounds like the future, doesn't it? Weren't most of the science fiction movies
00:00:35.360 of our childhoods placed in a time no later than this? When was the original Blade Runner?
00:00:43.740 Like 2017? Something like that? Anyway, this is the future. We're the people who lived to see
00:00:52.580 this future. And it is dystopian in some ways, certainly. But you start the new year with the
00:01:01.460 world that you have. I wanted to reflect on a couple of pieces of feedback I've gotten
00:01:09.660 in various forms. It amounts to points on which many people said that I disappointed them.
00:01:17.760 Uh, so I guess the topic of this podcast is on disappointing one's audience. I don't consider
00:01:26.220 these majority opinions in most cases, but there's a discernible signal of grief amid the satisfied
00:01:35.080 noises of the rest of you. So I just want to touch on this stuff because it is interesting
00:01:40.260 to figure out how to do this job, what to talk about, who to talk to. I'm not quite sure how to
00:01:50.000 zero in on the problem here. The basic problem, as I see it, is that we are living through
00:01:56.240 what is, at least in my lifetime, an unprecedented crisis of legitimacy across our institutions.
00:02:06.000 We're living in a society that has been poisoned by misinformation and disinformation. Perhaps I
00:02:14.500 should look at this through the lens of the two topics which have been most provocative
00:02:19.680 here, and that is all things related to Trump and the health of our democracy. You know, so I'm
00:02:27.180 recording this right after January 6th. We just passed that anniversary. And the other topic is,
00:02:33.780 of course, the COVID pandemic and vaccines and all the rest. And of course, people's views on these
00:02:42.820 topics tend to be highly correlated. So the disappointment takes the form of, well, you used
00:02:48.820 to be someone who would have hard conversations and would really never shy away from a hard conversation.
00:02:55.840 You would debate more or less anything. You would invite people who had attacked you onto your podcast
00:03:02.640 and, in several cases, have scarcely endurable encounters with them. What changed? Why did your
00:03:11.520 faith in the power of conversation so completely erode? And that's a good question. I see the apparent
00:03:19.320 contradiction here. It's not really a contradiction. There's just a recalibration with respect to specific
00:03:27.300 topics at specific moments in time. I do have faith in the power of conversation. Otherwise, I wouldn't be
00:03:34.540 doing this. But the time course of resolving certain issues is, in many cases, much longer than we would
00:03:43.480 like. And there are certain moments in history that really will not benefit from erring, quote,
00:03:54.540 both sides on any given debate, especially when one of those sides is either obviously illegitimate
00:04:03.920 or the probability of it being legitimate is so low that it becomes irresponsible to have certain
00:04:13.060 conversations at certain moments in history. So to take the two topics at hand, you know, Trump and
00:04:19.880 both side-ism around the 2020 election. You know, the immediate aftermath of the election and in the
00:04:37.420 ensuing months when you could have bet the lives of your children that Trump and his enablers were lying
00:04:44.700 about everything in sight, trying to steal everything that wasn't nailed down, where all of their spurious
00:04:51.380 claims were being rejected by courts, in many cases by judges who Trump himself had appointed,
00:04:58.420 to have gone down the rabbit hole of questioning the election as though there were two equivalent sides
00:05:07.060 to this, as though the Rudy Giuliani's of the world were serious and committed to anything like the truth
00:05:16.800 or the health of our democracy. To have platformed any kind of conversation about that strikes me as
00:05:26.220 totally irresponsible. We had a fire raging in our society, and our democracy was clearly in jeopardy.
00:05:35.880 It was being actively put in jeopardy by Trump
00:05:39.920 and much of the Republican Party, and to some significant degree
00:05:43.900 that I think that's still the case. Of course, all of this culminated
00:05:48.080 in the events of January 6th. Now, whether you think
00:05:51.640 January 6th was an actual emergency
00:05:54.860 of sorts, or you think it was just
00:05:57.500 live-action role-play by goofballs
00:06:01.400 or some kind of false flag operation,
00:06:05.980 where you stand on that
00:06:08.120 spectrum of
00:06:09.500 sanity and madness
00:06:11.780 will determine
00:06:13.440 how you hear everything I'm saying.
00:06:15.760 But given what I
00:06:17.160 think is true,
00:06:20.000 and had every reason to think
00:06:21.760 was true back then,
00:06:24.400 yeah, there were certain
00:06:25.620 kinds of conversations I wasn't going to have.
00:06:28.040 And so it is with COVID. You know, we've been
00:06:31.680 living in the midst of a public health emergency
00:06:34.300 of varying degrees
00:06:36.680 for nearly two years.
00:06:38.700 And that came crashing down on us
00:06:40.840 in the midst of an information
00:06:42.980 emergency, and a
00:06:45.060 collapse of public trust emergency
00:06:47.260 that we've been living with
00:06:48.880 longer than that.
00:06:50.980 So, certain kinds of
00:06:52.820 conversations strike me as
00:06:55.000 irresponsible in this context.
00:06:57.640 The whole universe
00:06:59.180 of anti-vax
00:07:00.800 whataboutism
00:07:01.760 strikes me as irresponsible.
00:07:05.140 Now, it's not that there's nothing
00:07:06.620 to debate there.
00:07:09.080 This has been
00:07:09.800 an evolving
00:07:10.860 situation
00:07:12.240 from day one.
00:07:14.120 There were things we didn't know
00:07:15.880 in the first months of the pandemic,
00:07:17.600 which we now have
00:07:19.420 a very good handle on.
00:07:21.840 And it was appropriate
00:07:22.960 to recalibrate
00:07:24.580 our response to this
00:07:25.900 and our beliefs about
00:07:26.960 what was reasonable
00:07:28.000 to do.
00:07:29.580 So,
00:07:30.200 there has been a lot
00:07:31.900 to debate,
00:07:32.700 and
00:07:33.020 I am the first
00:07:34.700 to admit
00:07:35.340 that
00:07:35.800 the public health messaging
00:07:37.460 and the
00:07:39.520 posture
00:07:40.600 of many of our institutions
00:07:41.880 has earned
00:07:43.500 all of the mistrust
00:07:45.260 that they've received.
00:07:46.900 It's just been awful.
00:07:49.240 And there is a lot
00:07:49.920 to debate.
00:07:50.440 I mean,
00:07:50.660 whether it's masking
00:07:51.660 or school closures
00:07:53.120 and lockdowns
00:07:54.540 or vaccine mandates
00:07:56.500 and the emphasis
00:07:58.580 on vaccines
00:07:59.840 over treatments
00:08:00.820 and
00:08:01.360 how we
00:08:02.900 talk about
00:08:03.820 natural immunity
00:08:04.740 versus vaccines
00:08:06.120 and
00:08:06.620 boosters for kids
00:08:08.340 versus boosters
00:08:09.640 for people
00:08:10.360 my age,
00:08:11.400 I mean,
00:08:11.600 the lab leak hypothesis,
00:08:13.600 I mean,
00:08:13.760 there's been a lot
00:08:14.640 to talk about
00:08:16.100 that is worth
00:08:18.620 talking about
00:08:19.340 in a way that is
00:08:20.380 rational
00:08:20.940 and open to argument
00:08:22.220 and not captured
00:08:24.020 by insane
00:08:25.440 political trends.
00:08:27.560 The general trend
00:08:28.600 has been
00:08:29.140 mainstream institutions
00:08:30.900 getting captured
00:08:31.980 by
00:08:33.300 far-left
00:08:34.880 political ideology
00:08:36.120 to a degree
00:08:37.340 that is still denied
00:08:38.280 by
00:08:38.900 many mainstream
00:08:40.220 figures,
00:08:41.020 but that capture
00:08:42.800 has produced
00:08:43.760 this kind of
00:08:45.140 death spiral
00:08:45.960 of
00:08:47.000 public trust
00:08:48.240 in these institutions
00:08:49.800 disproportionately
00:08:50.880 on the right.
00:08:52.640 So,
00:08:53.300 none of that
00:08:53.760 has helped
00:08:54.220 and you've heard
00:08:54.800 me talk about
00:08:55.520 all of that
00:08:56.380 ad nauseum
00:08:57.420 on previous podcasts.
00:08:59.620 But there is a lot
00:09:00.640 that could and should
00:09:01.540 be debated
00:09:02.240 here
00:09:03.260 in good faith
00:09:04.260 about COVID
00:09:05.360 and our public
00:09:06.580 policies,
00:09:07.300 but not everything
00:09:08.800 here
00:09:09.860 is debatable
00:09:10.920 and not every
00:09:12.220 question can be
00:09:13.120 raised
00:09:13.620 in good faith
00:09:14.720 and more important
00:09:16.320 not everything
00:09:16.920 can be debated
00:09:17.740 responsibly
00:09:19.180 in the middle
00:09:20.260 of a pandemic
00:09:21.240 right,
00:09:22.260 where you have
00:09:23.120 thousands of people
00:09:24.940 dying every day
00:09:26.280 and in
00:09:27.300 many cases
00:09:28.480 now
00:09:29.600 certainly since
00:09:30.720 June of last year
00:09:32.760 dying quite
00:09:34.300 unnecessarily.
00:09:35.780 I don't know
00:09:36.480 what the current
00:09:37.020 tally is
00:09:37.720 that anyone
00:09:38.480 who might be
00:09:38.980 skeptical of
00:09:39.880 this claim
00:09:40.840 would be tempted
00:09:41.700 to believe.
00:09:42.680 I've seen figures
00:09:43.420 as high as
00:09:44.060 200,000
00:09:44.880 but at minimum
00:09:46.780 given the difference
00:09:48.080 that we know
00:09:48.700 vaccines make
00:09:49.860 there are tens
00:09:51.440 of thousands
00:09:52.080 of people
00:09:52.660 who did not
00:09:53.880 need to die
00:09:54.580 who did die
00:09:55.700 because they
00:09:56.500 didn't get
00:09:56.800 vaccinated.
00:09:57.920 So the remedy
00:09:59.040 for this
00:09:59.780 standoff
00:10:00.700 of sorts
00:10:01.640 has not been
00:10:03.180 for me to
00:10:04.100 invite
00:10:04.540 someone like
00:10:05.660 Brett Weinstein
00:10:06.480 onto my podcast
00:10:08.040 to debate
00:10:09.200 these issues.
00:10:10.600 I don't actually
00:10:11.700 see that
00:10:12.420 as the right
00:10:14.080 thing to do
00:10:14.680 at this moment.
00:10:16.300 It's not to say
00:10:17.160 that there
00:10:17.500 can't be a
00:10:18.480 post-mortem
00:10:19.080 done on this
00:10:20.140 at some point
00:10:20.900 but
00:10:21.940 there are certain
00:10:23.160 things that
00:10:24.020 simply
00:10:25.060 were never
00:10:26.380 in doubt
00:10:26.940 and only
00:10:27.980 became clearer
00:10:28.900 as time
00:10:30.220 has moved on.
00:10:31.740 I mean again
00:10:32.300 to take both
00:10:33.080 topics
00:10:33.540 what was
00:10:35.320 never in doubt
00:10:35.860 about Trump
00:10:36.540 and the election
00:10:37.740 in 2020
00:10:38.380 and the run-up
00:10:39.720 to January 6th
00:10:41.360 and the aftermath
00:10:42.280 if you want to
00:10:43.960 disregard
00:10:44.340 all the
00:10:45.700 hyperbole
00:10:46.440 that you might
00:10:47.340 find in the
00:10:48.320 mainstream media
00:10:49.120 about all of that
00:10:50.080 all of the
00:10:51.980 topspin
00:10:53.180 that you might
00:10:54.340 condemn someone
00:10:55.080 like Rachel
00:10:56.160 Maddow
00:10:56.580 for
00:10:57.020 all of the
00:10:58.120 errors made
00:10:58.880 on MSNBC
00:10:59.700 and elsewhere
00:11:00.320 and
00:11:00.720 were never
00:11:01.900 corrected
00:11:02.380 right
00:11:02.780 forget about
00:11:03.620 all that
00:11:04.000 there's
00:11:04.740 something that
00:11:05.740 was never
00:11:06.380 debatable
00:11:07.040 because it
00:11:07.940 all unfolded
00:11:09.040 in plain sight
00:11:09.840 what was never
00:11:11.200 debatable
00:11:11.660 was that we
00:11:12.680 had a sitting
00:11:13.260 president
00:11:13.760 who simply
00:11:15.120 would not
00:11:16.020 commit
00:11:16.800 to a peaceful
00:11:17.820 transfer of
00:11:18.440 power
00:11:18.720 in the event
00:11:19.920 that he lost
00:11:20.580 the election
00:11:21.400 that alone
00:11:23.140 was so shocking
00:11:24.660 so unprecedented
00:11:26.200 so corrosive
00:11:28.020 to our
00:11:28.780 politics
00:11:29.360 that's all
00:11:30.780 you need
00:11:31.340 to know
00:11:32.020 that we
00:11:33.000 were facing
00:11:33.880 an absolute
00:11:34.960 emergency
00:11:35.780 if you can't
00:11:37.240 follow that
00:11:37.980 part of the
00:11:38.440 plot
00:11:38.740 I don't know
00:11:39.740 what conversation
00:11:40.380 there is to
00:11:40.800 have on this
00:11:42.200 topic
00:11:42.540 we had a
00:11:44.040 sitting president
00:11:44.700 who claimed
00:11:46.340 to have won
00:11:47.340 the election
00:11:47.920 when votes
00:11:49.440 were still
00:11:49.900 being counted
00:11:50.500 and called
00:11:51.860 for the vote
00:11:52.460 counting to
00:11:52.980 stop
00:11:53.280 if you can't
00:11:55.020 recognize
00:11:55.800 how
00:11:57.200 abysmal
00:11:58.960 that situation
00:12:00.420 is
00:12:00.900 and how
00:12:01.860 worthy of
00:12:02.760 contempt
00:12:03.540 Trump
00:12:04.560 was and
00:12:05.580 is
00:12:05.900 for behaving
00:12:06.920 that way
00:12:07.380 there is
00:12:08.560 nothing to
00:12:09.000 talk about
00:12:09.600 really
00:12:10.680 from my
00:12:11.320 point of
00:12:11.620 view
00:12:11.740 there is
00:12:12.780 no
00:12:12.940 extenuating
00:12:13.680 circumstance
00:12:14.520 that makes
00:12:15.660 sense of
00:12:16.120 that
00:12:16.380 and of
00:12:17.140 course
00:12:17.360 that behavior
00:12:18.060 was of a
00:12:18.520 piece
00:12:18.760 with everything
00:12:19.500 he has
00:12:20.660 done
00:12:20.920 and we
00:12:21.800 knew he
00:12:22.160 would do
00:12:22.680 and may
00:12:23.500 yet do
00:12:23.820 again
00:12:24.260 none of
00:12:25.620 this was
00:12:25.940 a surprise
00:12:26.740 what was so
00:12:27.780 surprising
00:12:28.260 was that
00:12:28.740 so many
00:12:29.800 people
00:12:30.140 tolerated
00:12:31.220 it
00:12:31.520 enabled
00:12:32.400 it
00:12:32.720 and what
00:12:33.840 soon
00:12:34.080 became
00:12:34.440 clear
00:12:34.800 was that
00:12:35.360 Trump
00:12:36.260 and his
00:12:36.780 enablers
00:12:37.740 were doing
00:12:38.380 whatever they
00:12:39.040 could
00:12:39.340 to
00:12:40.480 steal
00:12:41.700 an election
00:12:42.880 that they
00:12:44.040 claimed
00:12:44.480 had been
00:12:45.260 stolen
00:12:45.580 from them
00:12:46.380 and of
00:12:47.640 course
00:12:47.800 this is a
00:12:48.200 problem
00:12:48.560 that now
00:12:49.600 many people
00:12:50.040 are worried
00:12:50.420 about
00:12:50.720 in 2024
00:12:51.860 obviously
00:12:53.520 there's an
00:12:53.880 investigation
00:12:54.320 of January
00:12:55.360 6th
00:12:56.460 and
00:12:56.880 there will
00:12:57.600 be a lot
00:12:57.920 of information
00:12:58.520 forthcoming
00:12:59.380 but there
00:13:00.260 is nothing
00:13:00.860 that will
00:13:01.200 be found
00:13:01.720 that can
00:13:03.080 change
00:13:04.100 the character
00:13:04.780 of what
00:13:05.680 has already
00:13:06.080 occurred
00:13:06.500 the lying
00:13:07.940 about the
00:13:09.060 election
00:13:09.460 has never
00:13:10.520 stopped
00:13:11.380 in Trumpistan
00:13:12.480 and we
00:13:13.580 know
00:13:14.160 it is
00:13:15.280 lying
00:13:15.660 because it
00:13:16.460 happened
00:13:16.840 before the
00:13:17.680 election
00:13:18.060 Trump claimed
00:13:19.220 the election
00:13:19.620 was illegitimate
00:13:20.320 before it
00:13:20.900 even
00:13:21.200 occurred
00:13:21.740 but again
00:13:23.140 everything
00:13:23.600 for me
00:13:24.760 is contained
00:13:25.520 in his
00:13:26.180 unwillingness
00:13:27.260 to support
00:13:28.460 the most
00:13:29.560 basic
00:13:30.420 principle
00:13:31.340 of our
00:13:32.160 democracy
00:13:32.640 which is
00:13:33.660 the peaceful
00:13:34.020 transfer of
00:13:34.620 power
00:13:34.880 and we
00:13:36.940 did not
00:13:37.340 accomplish
00:13:37.940 a peaceful
00:13:38.880 transfer of
00:13:39.480 power
00:13:39.740 and so on
00:13:40.840 that score
00:13:41.400 the events
00:13:42.260 of January
00:13:42.700 6th
00:13:43.720 really are
00:13:44.340 the most
00:13:44.840 shocking
00:13:45.180 thing to
00:13:45.600 have happened
00:13:46.060 in over
00:13:46.920 200 years
00:13:47.700 in the
00:13:48.300 United
00:13:48.520 States
00:13:48.920 and with
00:13:50.420 respect to
00:13:50.880 COVID
00:13:51.180 yes
00:13:52.320 there's been
00:13:52.620 a lot
00:13:52.920 to debate
00:13:53.360 there's been
00:13:53.680 a lot
00:13:53.940 of uncertainty
00:13:54.480 there's been
00:13:55.060 overreactions
00:13:56.080 and under
00:13:56.560 reactions
00:13:57.020 and bad
00:13:58.340 policy
00:13:58.920 and calculated
00:14:01.060 lies
00:14:01.820 and our
00:14:03.520 institutions
00:14:04.100 have in
00:14:05.640 certain cases
00:14:06.320 been reduced
00:14:07.180 to rubble
00:14:07.860 but what
00:14:09.040 has long
00:14:10.300 been clear
00:14:10.900 is that
00:14:11.980 in a
00:14:12.820 forced choice
00:14:13.540 between
00:14:14.040 catching
00:14:14.880 COVID
00:14:15.320 having
00:14:16.120 been
00:14:16.360 vaccinated
00:14:16.940 and
00:14:17.760 catching
00:14:18.080 COVID
00:14:18.480 not
00:14:19.000 having
00:14:19.240 been
00:14:19.420 vaccinated
00:14:19.940 your
00:14:20.620 outcome
00:14:20.980 is
00:14:21.360 better
00:14:21.700 whatever
00:14:22.520 your
00:14:22.800 age
00:14:23.060 cohort
00:14:23.500 if you've
00:14:24.420 been
00:14:24.540 vaccinated
00:14:25.040 now of
00:14:26.340 course
00:14:26.520 the stratification
00:14:27.320 of risk
00:14:27.860 by age
00:14:28.600 has always
00:14:29.720 been highly
00:14:30.320 relevant
00:14:30.760 it becomes
00:14:31.920 absolutely
00:14:32.660 clear
00:14:33.180 the older
00:14:34.060 you are
00:14:34.580 so what
00:14:35.700 could be
00:14:35.940 a very
00:14:36.260 strident
00:14:36.920 recommendation
00:14:37.620 for a
00:14:38.560 70 year
00:14:39.560 old
00:14:39.860 becomes
00:14:40.820 more like
00:14:41.460 a coin
00:14:41.920 toss
00:14:42.340 in certain
00:14:43.140 cases
00:14:43.620 for a
00:14:44.440 5 year
00:14:44.820 old
00:14:45.080 nevertheless
00:14:46.180 this has
00:14:47.680 always been
00:14:48.440 a simple
00:14:48.880 choice
00:14:49.340 the moment
00:14:51.040 the vaccines
00:14:52.200 appeared
00:14:53.440 and certainly
00:14:54.680 the moment
00:14:55.340 their use
00:14:56.240 got to
00:14:56.960 scale
00:14:57.320 and we
00:14:57.760 had tens
00:14:58.360 of millions
00:14:58.860 of people
00:14:59.320 who had
00:14:59.560 been vaccinated
00:15:00.260 then the
00:15:01.440 difference
00:15:01.780 between these
00:15:02.260 two cohorts
00:15:02.980 vaccinated
00:15:04.300 and unvaccinated
00:15:05.300 became
00:15:06.440 crystal clear
00:15:07.460 your
00:15:08.300 likelihood
00:15:09.320 of
00:15:09.860 severe
00:15:10.940 disease
00:15:11.560 or death
00:15:12.960 is reduced
00:15:14.320 by a factor
00:15:15.080 of 10
00:15:15.880 or 20
00:15:16.660 depending
00:15:17.260 on your
00:15:18.280 age
00:15:18.640 and other
00:15:19.540 comorbidities
00:15:20.320 well then
00:15:21.500 you'll say
00:15:21.780 well what
00:15:22.120 about the
00:15:22.560 risk
00:15:22.860 of the
00:15:23.140 vaccines
00:15:23.720 right
00:15:24.500 we don't
00:15:24.780 have
00:15:24.940 long-term
00:15:25.460 data
00:15:25.820 on these
00:15:26.420 mRNA
00:15:26.760 vaccines
00:15:27.300 we don't
00:15:28.180 have
00:15:28.340 long-term
00:15:28.840 data
00:15:29.180 on what
00:15:29.640 it's
00:15:29.820 like
00:15:30.000 to get
00:15:30.280 covid
00:15:30.740 not having
00:15:31.620 been
00:15:31.800 vaccinated
00:15:32.260 apart
00:15:33.140 from the
00:15:33.620 short-term
00:15:34.180 data
00:15:34.500 of watching
00:15:34.960 people die
00:15:35.660 by the
00:15:36.340 hundreds
00:15:36.600 of thousands
00:15:37.180 yes
00:15:38.340 the future
00:15:38.840 is uncertain
00:15:39.620 but there
00:15:41.100 is no
00:15:41.700 good reason
00:15:42.520 to be
00:15:43.580 terrified
00:15:44.400 of these
00:15:45.320 vaccines
00:15:45.820 and we
00:15:46.680 have an
00:15:46.940 anti-vax
00:15:47.760 cult
00:15:48.220 working behind
00:15:49.640 the scenes
00:15:50.260 to amplify
00:15:51.560 a very
00:15:52.840 natural
00:15:53.360 concern
00:15:53.880 that people
00:15:54.680 have
00:15:55.060 that they
00:15:55.340 not do
00:15:55.880 themselves
00:15:56.400 or their
00:15:56.800 kids
00:15:57.160 any
00:15:57.560 harm
00:15:58.680 of commission
00:15:59.600 you take
00:16:00.420 a healthy
00:16:00.760 person
00:16:01.200 you stick
00:16:01.720 a needle
00:16:02.040 in their
00:16:02.340 arm
00:16:02.600 and you
00:16:04.440 make them
00:16:04.780 unhealthy
00:16:05.240 that's a
00:16:05.940 catastrophe
00:16:06.440 right
00:16:07.480 that happens
00:16:08.420 incredibly
00:16:09.640 rarely
00:16:10.160 it's not
00:16:11.380 that vaccines
00:16:11.960 are a
00:16:12.600 no risk
00:16:13.220 proposition
00:16:13.760 it's just
00:16:14.760 that the
00:16:15.080 risk
00:16:15.540 is very
00:16:16.460 small
00:16:16.900 and the
00:16:17.680 comparative
00:16:18.060 risk of
00:16:18.620 having a
00:16:18.940 bad outcome
00:16:19.520 with covid
00:16:20.140 unvaccinated
00:16:21.160 especially
00:16:22.460 if you're
00:16:23.620 an adult
00:16:24.680 or you have
00:16:25.860 some kind
00:16:26.280 of comorbidities
00:16:27.180 is much
00:16:28.320 worse
00:16:28.740 this has
00:16:29.720 been clear
00:16:30.400 now
00:16:31.620 for nearly
00:16:32.820 a year
00:16:33.340 take another
00:16:35.320 medical
00:16:36.140 intervention
00:16:37.040 take statins
00:16:37.960 you know
00:16:38.800 the class
00:16:39.360 of drugs
00:16:39.840 that many
00:16:40.820 many people
00:16:41.280 take
00:16:41.540 tens of
00:16:41.960 millions
00:16:42.180 of people
00:16:42.600 take
00:16:43.140 in the
00:16:43.820 u.s.
00:16:44.160 alone
00:16:44.460 for high
00:16:45.880 cholesterol
00:16:46.300 to mitigate
00:16:47.280 the risk
00:16:47.720 of heart
00:16:48.480 disease
00:16:48.780 and stroke
00:16:49.660 now i've
00:16:50.720 tried to
00:16:51.260 take statins
00:16:52.280 several times
00:16:53.240 i have high
00:16:54.300 cholesterol
00:16:54.660 and any
00:16:55.220 sane doctor
00:16:56.300 who looks
00:16:56.760 at my
00:16:57.120 lipid panel
00:16:58.060 would say
00:16:58.540 hey you should
00:16:59.420 probably jump
00:17:00.580 on statins
00:17:01.180 well
00:17:02.320 i've tried
00:17:03.780 this
00:17:04.200 i think
00:17:05.180 three times
00:17:05.920 and have
00:17:07.760 gotten side
00:17:08.280 effects
00:17:08.660 each time
00:17:09.300 you know
00:17:10.420 and i think
00:17:10.740 it's about
00:17:11.220 five percent
00:17:12.400 of people
00:17:12.860 get these
00:17:14.040 side effects
00:17:14.600 there's actually
00:17:15.540 some research
00:17:16.060 that suggests
00:17:16.880 that some
00:17:17.860 of the side
00:17:18.240 effects are
00:17:18.760 no worse
00:17:19.860 than the side
00:17:20.280 effects people
00:17:20.720 get with
00:17:21.480 placebos
00:17:22.080 but in my
00:17:23.120 case i think
00:17:23.600 that it's
00:17:24.600 probably not
00:17:25.520 just based
00:17:26.780 on my
00:17:27.120 expectation
00:17:27.660 of side
00:17:28.040 effects
00:17:28.300 because i've
00:17:28.800 gotten side
00:17:29.180 effects i
00:17:29.640 didn't even
00:17:29.980 know about
00:17:30.480 and since
00:17:31.420 looked up
00:17:31.920 and found
00:17:33.080 them on
00:17:33.540 the list
00:17:33.900 so any
00:17:35.280 case i
00:17:36.080 believe the
00:17:36.660 unacceptable
00:17:37.440 side effects
00:17:38.120 of statins
00:17:38.800 for certain
00:17:39.660 people are
00:17:40.800 all too
00:17:41.220 real and
00:17:42.300 i'm one of
00:17:42.720 those people
00:17:43.140 why have i
00:17:44.700 not been
00:17:45.180 tempted to
00:17:45.920 join some
00:17:46.500 group if
00:17:47.660 such a group
00:17:48.740 exists arguing
00:17:50.280 that statins
00:17:51.220 are the
00:17:52.340 crime of the
00:17:53.080 century right
00:17:54.140 that we got
00:17:54.500 tens of
00:17:55.140 millions of
00:17:55.500 people taking
00:17:56.520 this unproven
00:17:57.500 drug which i
00:17:58.160 know in my
00:17:58.760 bones
00:17:59.320 to be
00:18:00.220 unhealthy
00:18:00.640 right i
00:18:01.820 know that
00:18:02.540 this can't
00:18:03.460 be good
00:18:03.840 for people
00:18:04.320 and there's
00:18:05.400 research that
00:18:06.780 shows that
00:18:07.300 whatever it is
00:18:08.200 four or five
00:18:08.760 percent of
00:18:09.100 people get
00:18:09.840 these terrible
00:18:10.780 side effects
00:18:11.400 what the hell
00:18:12.440 is going on
00:18:12.940 here who
00:18:13.820 can i get
00:18:14.220 together with
00:18:14.660 on social
00:18:15.080 media to
00:18:15.740 amplify these
00:18:17.200 concerns
00:18:17.660 right well
00:18:18.820 if you're a
00:18:19.820 grown-up
00:18:20.300 you realize
00:18:22.000 that with
00:18:23.200 any
00:18:24.360 intervention
00:18:25.460 there will be
00:18:26.740 some percentage
00:18:27.340 of people
00:18:28.020 who have a
00:18:29.120 bad reaction
00:18:29.780 to it
00:18:30.200 for reasons
00:18:31.220 that are
00:18:31.560 complex
00:18:32.220 and that in
00:18:32.980 the case of
00:18:33.380 any one
00:18:33.800 individual
00:18:34.240 can be
00:18:35.020 difficult or
00:18:35.720 impossible to
00:18:36.360 understand
00:18:36.860 but in the
00:18:37.380 aggregate
00:18:37.840 the risk
00:18:38.860 can be
00:18:39.800 assessed
00:18:40.600 so you know
00:18:41.800 what kind of
00:18:42.380 risk you're
00:18:42.840 running
00:18:43.100 when you
00:18:44.240 take a drug
00:18:45.520 or jump out
00:18:46.520 of an airplane
00:18:47.080 or decide to
00:18:48.140 do any other
00:18:48.660 thing that
00:18:49.180 millions of
00:18:50.200 people are
00:18:50.820 doing alongside
00:18:51.760 you
00:18:52.160 right and we
00:18:53.300 know that
00:18:53.920 compared to
00:18:55.080 many other
00:18:55.700 risks we
00:18:56.280 run
00:18:56.720 vaccines
00:18:58.060 and the
00:18:59.900 mRNA vaccines
00:19:01.100 for COVID
00:19:01.920 are amazingly
00:19:04.100 safe
00:19:04.860 especially
00:19:06.600 given that
00:19:08.460 in this case
00:19:09.160 you have a
00:19:10.200 forced choice
00:19:10.860 you're going
00:19:11.780 to get COVID
00:19:12.380 and you can
00:19:13.540 get it
00:19:13.800 vaccinated or
00:19:14.500 unvaccinated
00:19:15.140 so my point
00:19:16.400 here is not
00:19:16.880 to relitigate
00:19:18.200 this topic
00:19:19.280 but just to
00:19:20.080 give you some
00:19:20.940 color as to
00:19:21.760 why I can't
00:19:22.620 avail myself
00:19:23.300 of the remedy
00:19:23.940 that many of
00:19:24.880 you think
00:19:25.220 is available
00:19:26.700 to me
00:19:27.080 which is
00:19:27.400 just to
00:19:27.940 invite people
00:19:28.680 onto this
00:19:29.200 podcast
00:19:29.540 to debate
00:19:31.280 these issues
00:19:32.400 you know
00:19:33.280 on the
00:19:33.460 election front
00:19:34.180 why not
00:19:34.560 invite someone
00:19:35.100 onto the
00:19:35.480 podcast
00:19:35.820 why not
00:19:36.200 talk to
00:19:36.620 Steve Bannon
00:19:37.200 right
00:19:37.960 wouldn't that
00:19:38.680 be the
00:19:38.880 responsible
00:19:39.260 thing to
00:19:39.640 do
00:19:39.800 well
00:19:40.820 what do
00:19:41.420 I do
00:19:41.700 when
00:19:42.020 Bannon
00:19:42.520 says
00:19:43.100 what about
00:19:44.060 the
00:19:44.280 1700
00:19:45.260 ballots
00:19:46.200 in
00:19:46.600 Maricopa
00:19:47.420 County
00:19:47.700 that were
00:19:48.040 found
00:19:48.500 on a
00:19:49.280 pallet
00:19:49.740 in a
00:19:50.300 parking
00:19:50.540 lot
00:19:50.780 what about
00:19:51.620 the
00:19:51.780 seven
00:19:52.160 poll workers
00:19:52.940 who resigned
00:19:53.700 in protest
00:19:54.420 I just
00:19:55.680 made that
00:19:56.100 up
00:19:56.380 and he
00:19:57.160 could just
00:19:57.520 make that
00:19:57.980 up
00:19:58.240 and that's
00:19:58.780 the kind
00:19:58.980 of claim
00:19:59.300 that can't
00:19:59.820 possibly be
00:20:00.580 run down
00:20:01.120 in real
00:20:02.460 time
00:20:02.880 or in any
00:20:03.780 acceptable
00:20:04.360 time
00:20:04.960 if one
00:20:06.060 wants to
00:20:06.420 have a
00:20:06.680 life
00:20:07.000 all of
00:20:08.060 that
00:20:08.340 is
00:20:08.860 obviously
00:20:09.440 bullshit
00:20:09.920 right
00:20:10.760 the general
00:20:11.300 picture
00:20:11.820 of the
00:20:12.260 entire
00:20:12.700 effort
00:20:13.160 to
00:20:13.980 establish
00:20:15.220 massive
00:20:16.240 election
00:20:16.680 fraud
00:20:17.120 that stole
00:20:18.680 the election
00:20:19.760 for Biden
00:20:20.560 all of
00:20:21.300 it
00:20:21.480 was
00:20:22.100 obviously
00:20:22.540 bullshit
00:20:22.980 there is
00:20:23.800 no reason
00:20:24.380 to speak
00:20:25.140 to Steve
00:20:25.480 Bannon
00:20:25.780 about any
00:20:26.380 of that
00:20:26.680 all of
00:20:27.740 this was
00:20:28.060 thrown out
00:20:28.620 of
00:20:28.900 courts
00:20:29.600 all of
00:20:30.800 it was
00:20:31.040 resisted
00:20:31.640 by the
00:20:32.320 few
00:20:32.720 Republican
00:20:33.360 governors
00:20:33.960 and election
00:20:34.600 officials
00:20:35.020 that had
00:20:35.580 spines
00:20:36.140 right
00:20:36.760 and if
00:20:37.020 it hadn't
00:20:37.500 been
00:20:37.760 resisted
00:20:38.480 by them
00:20:39.120 and if
00:20:39.980 Mike Pence
00:20:40.740 had caved
00:20:41.760 in to
00:20:42.480 all the
00:20:42.760 pressure
00:20:43.040 he was
00:20:43.340 getting
00:20:43.620 to reject
00:20:45.080 the ballots
00:20:46.160 that came
00:20:46.680 from these
00:20:47.040 states
00:20:47.380 we would
00:20:48.560 have found
00:20:49.000 ourselves
00:20:49.460 in a
00:20:50.560 destabilizing
00:20:51.440 constitutional
00:20:52.460 crisis
00:20:53.040 right
00:20:53.800 so the
00:20:54.100 fear is
00:20:54.500 next time
00:20:55.080 those few
00:20:56.000 crucial people
00:20:56.660 aren't going
00:20:57.100 to be in
00:20:57.420 place
00:20:57.820 to do
00:20:58.680 the right
00:20:59.000 thing
00:20:59.300 but this
00:21:00.060 is just
00:21:00.320 not the
00:21:00.860 kind of
00:21:01.240 conversation
00:21:01.780 that can
00:21:02.100 be had
00:21:02.640 you can't
00:21:03.220 debate
00:21:03.660 spurious
00:21:04.520 facts
00:21:05.060 in that
00:21:05.500 way
00:21:05.780 and what
00:21:06.640 you then
00:21:06.980 risk doing
00:21:07.740 is giving
00:21:08.600 people the
00:21:09.120 sense that
00:21:09.720 this is just
00:21:10.900 really confusing
00:21:12.100 I don't know
00:21:13.020 Steve sounded
00:21:13.760 like he had
00:21:14.260 a lot of
00:21:14.740 data that
00:21:15.980 Sam wouldn't
00:21:16.900 interact with
00:21:17.480 how many
00:21:18.420 ballots were
00:21:19.360 on that
00:21:19.720 pallet in
00:21:20.660 the parking
00:21:21.020 lot
00:21:21.260 and so it
00:21:23.040 is on the
00:21:23.360 topic of
00:21:24.040 COVID
00:21:24.860 and vaccines
00:21:26.340 the general
00:21:27.880 shape of the
00:21:28.580 thing is easy
00:21:29.500 to discern
00:21:30.280 right and
00:21:31.360 again I'm not
00:21:32.100 discounting that
00:21:33.380 there's a lot
00:21:33.820 to debate
00:21:34.260 I see the
00:21:35.380 problem with
00:21:36.240 safetyism and
00:21:37.800 the endless
00:21:38.660 commitment to
00:21:39.980 masking and
00:21:41.600 all the rest
00:21:42.920 right we have
00:21:43.680 to figure out
00:21:44.300 how to live
00:21:44.980 with this
00:21:46.020 virus that
00:21:46.560 is now
00:21:47.060 endemic but
00:21:48.700 part of what
00:21:49.280 has made that
00:21:49.740 so difficult
00:21:50.400 is that we
00:21:51.460 have an
00:21:51.740 anti-vax
00:21:52.660 cult
00:21:53.160 addled by
00:21:54.680 rampant
00:21:55.880 misinformation
00:21:56.580 that represents
00:21:58.060 a third or
00:21:59.620 so of our
00:22:00.140 society
00:22:00.640 anyway all
00:22:01.920 this is just
00:22:02.340 to say that
00:22:02.700 I found
00:22:03.080 myself in
00:22:03.720 a difficult
00:22:04.220 position here
00:22:04.900 because having
00:22:06.380 the conversation
00:22:07.300 on the
00:22:08.200 podcast
00:22:08.840 has not
00:22:10.360 seemed like
00:22:11.920 a viable
00:22:13.000 remedy
00:22:13.440 in fact having
00:22:15.020 the conversation
00:22:15.640 in private
00:22:16.340 has not proven
00:22:17.560 to be any
00:22:18.560 kind of remedy
00:22:19.280 in the cases
00:22:20.340 where I've
00:22:20.660 attempted it
00:22:21.200 so there
00:22:22.580 really is no
00:22:23.220 reason to
00:22:24.020 believe that
00:22:24.700 once the
00:22:25.580 microphones get
00:22:26.240 switched on
00:22:26.860 things are going
00:22:27.680 to get any
00:22:28.040 better
00:22:28.320 so to those
00:22:29.520 of you who
00:22:29.840 are disappointed
00:22:30.420 that I haven't
00:22:31.460 had those
00:22:31.940 conversations here
00:22:32.700 I just I'm
00:22:33.660 just giving you
00:22:34.120 a window onto
00:22:35.080 my thinking
00:22:35.560 here I've
00:22:36.340 thought about
00:22:36.820 it and I've
00:22:37.480 thought better
00:22:37.940 of it on
00:22:39.100 those two
00:22:39.480 topics
00:22:39.920 and this
00:22:41.380 relates to
00:22:41.760 another social
00:22:42.360 issue where
00:22:42.900 I've expressed
00:22:43.980 an opinion
00:22:44.440 that has
00:22:44.980 upset some
00:22:46.520 of you
00:22:46.840 and that's
00:22:48.120 on the
00:22:48.380 deplatforming
00:22:49.300 of specific
00:22:50.640 people on
00:22:51.560 social media
00:22:52.160 when Trump
00:22:53.340 got banned
00:22:53.960 from Twitter
00:22:54.760 I celebrated
00:22:56.380 in fact I
00:22:56.940 had been
00:22:57.140 asking Jack
00:22:57.920 publicly and
00:22:58.880 privately
00:22:59.240 for months
00:23:01.660 if not
00:23:02.240 years
00:23:03.020 to kick
00:23:04.080 him off
00:23:04.360 the platform
00:23:04.880 and the
00:23:06.800 same is
00:23:07.100 true of
00:23:07.620 Alex Jones
00:23:08.620 some people
00:23:10.320 think there's
00:23:10.760 a there's
00:23:11.540 hypocrisy
00:23:12.180 there on
00:23:13.100 my side
00:23:13.620 I'm all
00:23:14.240 about free
00:23:14.680 speech but
00:23:15.260 when it
00:23:15.780 comes to
00:23:16.060 Trump and
00:23:16.580 Alex Jones
00:23:17.960 I want to
00:23:19.260 silence them
00:23:20.440 you're not
00:23:21.660 understanding
00:23:22.780 the situation
00:23:23.480 first of all
00:23:24.160 this isn't
00:23:25.080 about free
00:23:26.020 speech
00:23:26.480 this is about
00:23:27.300 the right
00:23:27.800 of a private
00:23:28.520 platform
00:23:29.060 to decide
00:23:30.240 what voices
00:23:31.380 they want
00:23:31.820 to give
00:23:32.100 a megaphone
00:23:33.080 to
00:23:33.440 if freedom
00:23:34.760 is your
00:23:35.100 concern
00:23:35.660 where is
00:23:36.660 your concern
00:23:37.320 for the
00:23:38.100 private
00:23:38.440 company
00:23:38.920 that doesn't
00:23:40.160 want to
00:23:40.620 have
00:23:41.100 the most
00:23:42.300 odious
00:23:42.940 liars
00:23:44.100 to ever
00:23:44.940 draw breath
00:23:45.820 take up
00:23:47.120 all the
00:23:47.500 oxygen
00:23:48.000 on their
00:23:48.880 platform
00:23:49.380 if you're
00:23:50.340 going to
00:23:50.520 nationalize
00:23:51.260 Twitter
00:23:51.620 and turn it
00:23:52.860 into an
00:23:53.400 actual public
00:23:54.300 square
00:23:54.800 well then
00:23:55.380 okay
00:23:56.400 but don't
00:23:57.980 tell me you're
00:23:58.360 a libertarian
00:23:59.060 if you want
00:24:00.180 that to
00:24:00.480 happen
00:24:00.740 these are
00:24:01.720 clear-cut
00:24:02.320 cases
00:24:02.900 for me
00:24:03.700 whatever
00:24:04.360 terms of
00:24:04.900 service
00:24:05.320 Twitter
00:24:05.720 has
00:24:06.880 and had
00:24:07.540 it was
00:24:08.700 absolutely
00:24:09.080 clear that
00:24:09.600 Trump had
00:24:10.180 violated them
00:24:10.860 long before
00:24:11.760 he was kicked
00:24:12.380 off the
00:24:12.680 platform
00:24:13.080 talking about
00:24:14.040 somebody who's
00:24:14.800 making credible
00:24:15.760 threats of
00:24:16.360 nuclear war
00:24:17.280 that doesn't
00:24:18.480 violate your
00:24:18.980 terms of
00:24:19.540 service
00:24:20.040 in the case
00:24:21.200 of Alex
00:24:21.560 Jones
00:24:21.960 you had
00:24:22.660 somebody who
00:24:23.360 was claiming
00:24:24.580 that the
00:24:26.380 Sandy Hook
00:24:27.080 parents
00:24:27.640 who had
00:24:28.680 had their
00:24:28.980 six-year-old
00:24:29.640 kids
00:24:30.260 butchered
00:24:31.620 by a
00:24:32.380 madman
00:24:32.960 were in
00:24:33.980 fact
00:24:34.280 crisis
00:24:34.960 actors
00:24:35.520 faking
00:24:36.660 this
00:24:37.540 atrocity
00:24:38.200 so that
00:24:39.300 they could
00:24:39.820 advance
00:24:41.120 the
00:24:41.540 gun
00:24:42.340 control
00:24:42.860 agenda
00:24:43.420 of the
00:24:44.380 left
00:24:44.740 and Jones
00:24:46.440 unleashed
00:24:47.300 his
00:24:47.640 lunatic
00:24:48.300 audience
00:24:49.080 on these
00:24:49.840 families
00:24:50.360 I mean
00:24:51.520 there are
00:24:51.740 Sandy Hook
00:24:52.180 parents who
00:24:52.980 are still
00:24:53.600 in hiding
00:24:54.140 there are
00:24:55.020 families
00:24:55.380 that have
00:24:56.160 moved
00:24:56.620 ten times
00:24:57.620 since that
00:24:59.020 tragedy
00:24:59.500 in 2012
00:25:00.940 all because
00:25:02.520 of Jones
00:25:03.080 and the
00:25:04.480 insane
00:25:05.240 people
00:25:05.780 who've been
00:25:06.720 taken in
00:25:07.180 by his
00:25:07.880 what is it
00:25:09.620 I honestly
00:25:10.580 don't know
00:25:11.000 mental illness
00:25:11.900 or performance
00:25:12.780 art
00:25:13.140 right and
00:25:14.240 every time
00:25:14.620 Trump tweeted
00:25:15.660 against a
00:25:16.140 private citizen
00:25:16.940 he was
00:25:18.060 consciously
00:25:18.780 ruining
00:25:20.100 this person's
00:25:21.200 life
00:25:21.580 knowing what
00:25:22.720 would happen
00:25:23.160 knowing they
00:25:24.340 would get
00:25:24.640 doxed
00:25:25.260 knowing that
00:25:26.380 they would
00:25:27.080 get endless
00:25:28.000 death threats
00:25:28.760 you're telling
00:25:30.040 me that a
00:25:30.560 private company
00:25:31.140 like Twitter
00:25:31.720 needs to
00:25:32.420 enable this
00:25:33.280 behavior
00:25:33.720 day after
00:25:34.540 day after
00:25:35.080 day and
00:25:36.360 that they're
00:25:36.740 violating the
00:25:37.340 principle of
00:25:37.840 free speech
00:25:38.380 when declining
00:25:39.240 to enable it
00:25:40.400 a day longer
00:25:41.140 granted there is
00:25:42.980 a lot to
00:25:43.480 debate around
00:25:44.400 the power of
00:25:45.200 big tech
00:25:45.760 but the
00:25:47.460 idea that
00:25:48.240 someone like
00:25:49.180 Alex Jones
00:25:49.900 has to be
00:25:50.720 platformed
00:25:51.860 anywhere
00:25:52.380 makes no
00:25:53.400 sense
00:25:53.780 and there's
00:25:54.880 certainly no
00:25:55.300 reason to
00:25:55.760 invite him
00:25:56.160 on a
00:25:56.380 podcast
00:25:56.680 but I
00:25:58.520 would be the
00:25:58.860 first to
00:25:59.180 admit that
00:25:59.540 this is a
00:25:59.960 very confusing
00:26:00.920 time and
00:26:01.940 a confusing
00:26:02.420 situation
00:26:03.060 because as
00:26:05.320 I said
00:26:05.780 our distrust
00:26:07.620 of mainstream
00:26:08.340 institutions
00:26:09.240 is totally
00:26:11.120 warranted
00:26:11.860 now in
00:26:13.240 specific cases
00:26:14.120 and this
00:26:15.280 ranges everywhere
00:26:16.500 from our top
00:26:17.360 scientific journals
00:26:18.340 to our best
00:26:19.560 newspapers
00:26:20.100 to the
00:26:21.040 government
00:26:21.380 but that
00:26:22.740 doesn't mean
00:26:23.660 that the
00:26:25.660 contrarian
00:26:26.440 opinion on
00:26:27.760 any specific
00:26:28.340 point is
00:26:29.700 generally right
00:26:30.540 because it
00:26:31.620 isn't generally
00:26:32.680 right
00:26:33.280 so we have
00:26:35.220 to navigate
00:26:35.820 this space
00:26:37.120 of uncertain
00:26:38.620 authority
00:26:39.160 and the bad
00:26:40.760 incentives that
00:26:42.260 clearly derange
00:26:43.880 our public
00:26:44.720 conversation
00:26:45.360 right the
00:26:46.560 fact that
00:26:47.380 certain things
00:26:48.680 get ratings
00:26:49.940 or clicks
00:26:51.060 and that
00:26:51.900 those messages
00:26:52.540 get amplified
00:26:53.240 right and
00:26:54.460 as you know
00:26:54.920 I've done
00:26:55.600 a fair amount
00:26:56.960 to protect
00:26:57.540 myself from
00:26:58.660 bad incentives
00:26:59.400 on this
00:27:00.100 podcast
00:27:00.620 and if I'm
00:27:02.520 alert to
00:27:03.020 anything
00:27:03.520 it is to
00:27:05.100 not getting
00:27:05.560 captured by
00:27:06.920 my audience
00:27:07.520 right when
00:27:08.460 if ever I
00:27:09.180 were to find
00:27:09.700 myself not
00:27:11.280 wanting to
00:27:11.760 say something
00:27:12.380 for fear
00:27:13.580 of how the
00:27:14.940 audience will
00:27:15.800 respond even
00:27:16.940 though I think
00:27:17.460 it's true and
00:27:18.460 important that's
00:27:19.720 the thing I
00:27:20.120 know I
00:27:20.540 can't do
00:27:21.400 there's
00:27:22.380 obviously a
00:27:23.060 problem of
00:27:24.460 audience capture
00:27:25.260 in the podcasting
00:27:26.620 and alternative
00:27:27.560 media space
00:27:28.660 this is true
00:27:29.600 whether one is
00:27:30.200 getting support
00:27:31.220 directly by
00:27:32.840 subscription or
00:27:33.800 donation and
00:27:34.980 it's also true if
00:27:35.660 you're running
00:27:35.980 ads and in
00:27:37.300 several cases the
00:27:38.040 evidence of
00:27:38.600 audience capture
00:27:39.420 is absolutely
00:27:40.640 clear there
00:27:42.040 are people who
00:27:42.660 have done 50
00:27:43.940 episodes more
00:27:45.300 or less in a
00:27:45.780 row on the
00:27:46.760 same topic
00:27:47.340 as though they
00:27:48.840 had lost interest
00:27:49.700 in every other
00:27:50.540 thing on earth
00:27:51.380 what's going on
00:27:52.720 there there is
00:27:54.000 some training
00:27:54.700 signal coming
00:27:55.660 from the
00:27:55.980 audience and
00:27:57.340 almost certainly
00:27:58.500 a bad economic
00:27:59.700 incentive that
00:28:01.040 is capturing that
00:28:02.700 podcast host
00:28:03.940 so I'm not
00:28:05.920 afraid to
00:28:07.300 offend or
00:28:08.840 disappoint my
00:28:10.000 audience I've
00:28:11.380 spent a fair
00:28:11.740 amount of time
00:28:12.200 criticizing
00:28:12.860 wokeness and
00:28:15.340 social justice
00:28:16.080 hysteria and
00:28:17.280 when I've done
00:28:17.700 that I know I
00:28:18.760 have offended and
00:28:20.160 alienated some
00:28:21.620 significant percentage
00:28:22.700 of left-leaning
00:28:24.340 people in my
00:28:25.520 audience who just
00:28:26.840 don't see the
00:28:28.420 issue the way I
00:28:29.620 do and of course
00:28:30.720 everything I've
00:28:31.220 said about Trump
00:28:32.120 and the vaccine
00:28:33.460 has offended
00:28:34.860 people on the
00:28:35.700 right who loved
00:28:37.300 everything I said
00:28:38.080 about wokeness
00:28:38.740 my only real
00:28:41.200 commitment here is
00:28:42.100 to say what is
00:28:43.300 true and useful
00:28:45.140 it's that
00:28:46.240 intersection of
00:28:47.440 true and useful
00:28:48.420 and interesting
00:28:49.800 slash important
00:28:51.360 that's what I
00:28:52.660 care about and
00:28:53.900 there's definitely
00:28:54.320 a trade-off with
00:28:55.720 that last caveat
00:28:56.680 there are many
00:28:57.660 things that are
00:28:58.420 important that are
00:28:59.800 not at all
00:29:00.520 interesting and
00:29:02.080 this podcast has
00:29:03.620 been devoted to
00:29:04.820 several of them
00:29:05.720 but that's what
00:29:08.160 I'm attempting to
00:29:08.740 do I have to
00:29:10.400 assume that you're
00:29:11.820 only listening
00:29:12.580 because you care
00:29:13.860 about what I
00:29:14.800 think is true
00:29:16.380 and useful and
00:29:17.780 interesting or
00:29:18.880 important and if
00:29:20.380 you don't care
00:29:20.900 about that well
00:29:21.500 then you're in
00:29:22.540 the wrong place
00:29:23.180 so perhaps that
00:29:25.280 explains some of
00:29:27.240 what I've done
00:29:28.540 and not done over
00:29:30.640 the last year or
00:29:32.060 so and if I sound
00:29:33.560 especially somber
00:29:34.800 on these points
00:29:35.880 it's because I
00:29:36.800 I think we
00:29:37.900 really are living
00:29:38.740 through a moment
00:29:39.460 that is especially
00:29:42.100 high stakes
00:29:42.920 you know it's not
00:29:43.840 that I think
00:29:44.280 COVID itself is
00:29:46.620 so bad
00:29:47.700 in fact with
00:29:48.760 Omicron coming
00:29:50.200 on it seems like
00:29:51.200 we're getting
00:29:52.380 pretty lucky here
00:29:53.240 especially those of
00:29:54.340 us who've been
00:29:54.880 vaccinated and
00:29:56.400 boosted
00:29:56.920 this is not
00:29:58.280 terrifying
00:29:59.060 what is terrifying
00:30:01.120 is how badly
00:30:03.860 placed we seem
00:30:05.340 to respond to
00:30:07.260 challenges of
00:30:08.640 this kind
00:30:09.140 we have
00:30:10.260 civilizational
00:30:11.160 problems to
00:30:12.320 solve
00:30:12.740 this pandemic
00:30:15.020 was as I've
00:30:16.620 said before
00:30:17.180 a dress rehearsal
00:30:18.840 for something
00:30:19.780 far worse
00:30:20.720 that is bound
00:30:22.160 to come
00:30:22.760 you know whether
00:30:23.620 it's engineered
00:30:24.440 deliberately
00:30:25.220 or coughed up
00:30:27.920 out of a bat
00:30:29.380 we know that
00:30:30.780 this pandemic
00:30:31.520 was about as
00:30:32.340 benign
00:30:32.940 as it can
00:30:34.580 get
00:30:35.020 and at this
00:30:35.980 point I really
00:30:36.500 am not
00:30:37.200 especially hopeful
00:30:38.400 that we would
00:30:41.100 naturally
00:30:41.840 solve
00:30:43.240 all the
00:30:44.220 coordination
00:30:44.620 problems
00:30:45.420 and problems
00:30:46.900 of trust
00:30:47.520 that we failed
00:30:48.420 to solve
00:30:48.800 this time
00:30:49.200 around
00:30:49.520 in the face
00:30:50.780 of something
00:30:51.240 far more
00:30:51.860 deadly
00:30:52.200 I mean it's
00:30:53.000 possible
00:30:53.400 that if you
00:30:54.860 made the
00:30:55.140 pandemic
00:30:55.560 ten times
00:30:57.180 or thirty
00:30:58.000 times worse
00:30:58.980 well then
00:30:59.980 the whole
00:31:00.660 anti-vax
00:31:01.740 delusion
00:31:03.000 would be
00:31:04.140 blown away
00:31:05.000 on the first
00:31:05.500 day
00:31:05.840 that's possible
00:31:07.280 certainly to be
00:31:08.700 hoped for
00:31:09.200 but at this
00:31:10.500 point I think
00:31:12.060 you'd have people
00:31:12.920 Alex Jones-ing it
00:31:14.240 right over the
00:31:15.600 brink
00:31:15.880 it would be all
00:31:17.400 conspiracy thinking
00:31:18.280 all the time
00:31:19.100 as the bodies
00:31:20.200 piled up on the
00:31:21.040 sidewalk
00:31:21.420 I think that's
00:31:22.580 quite possible
00:31:23.200 and we have to
00:31:24.380 do something
00:31:24.920 about that
00:31:25.580 in advance
00:31:26.320 it's not a
00:31:27.220 problem we
00:31:27.660 can solve
00:31:28.220 in the
00:31:29.240 middle of
00:31:29.520 an emergency
00:31:30.020 so my
00:31:31.560 concern is
00:31:32.140 really not
00:31:33.160 so much
00:31:33.540 about
00:31:33.880 COVID
00:31:34.880 but about
00:31:35.880 our society
00:31:37.120 and this
00:31:38.460 is where
00:31:38.860 the pandemic
00:31:39.700 and our
00:31:40.980 politics
00:31:41.520 directly interact
00:31:42.620 some of you
00:31:43.920 might have seen
00:31:44.220 the most recent
00:31:44.740 issue of the
00:31:45.220 Atlantic
00:31:45.580 that had
00:31:47.000 several articles
00:31:47.780 in it
00:31:48.500 worrying about
00:31:49.540 what the
00:31:50.300 Republican Party
00:31:51.080 has been up
00:31:52.520 to since
00:31:53.620 the 2020
00:31:54.120 election
00:31:54.640 Barton Gelman
00:31:55.860 wrote an
00:31:56.180 article
00:31:56.440 titled
00:31:57.560 Trump's
00:31:58.560 next
00:31:58.840 coup
00:31:59.220 has
00:31:59.500 already
00:31:59.740 begun
00:32:00.140 and
00:32:01.260 George
00:32:02.140 Packer
00:32:02.660 wrote one
00:32:03.440 titled
00:32:03.940 Are We
00:32:04.500 Doomed?
00:32:05.980 And to
00:32:06.880 take
00:32:07.080 Barton's
00:32:07.900 summary of
00:32:08.960 his contribution
00:32:10.240 there
00:32:10.620 he claimed
00:32:11.800 quote
00:32:12.340 that January
00:32:13.480 6th was the
00:32:14.320 initial milestone
00:32:15.320 not the
00:32:16.060 last
00:32:16.500 in the
00:32:17.020 growth of
00:32:17.500 the first
00:32:17.960 violent
00:32:18.460 mass movement
00:32:19.200 in American
00:32:19.760 politics
00:32:20.280 since the
00:32:20.680 1920s
00:32:21.540 end quote
00:32:22.460 and his
00:32:23.300 second point
00:32:23.900 was that
00:32:24.380 quote
00:32:24.880 Republicans
00:32:25.820 have made
00:32:26.300 up their
00:32:26.580 minds
00:32:26.980 to steal
00:32:27.600 the 2024
00:32:28.360 presidential
00:32:29.060 election
00:32:29.580 and are
00:32:30.360 well on
00:32:30.720 their way
00:32:31.120 to
00:32:31.360 manufacturing
00:32:32.100 the
00:32:32.360 means
00:32:32.760 there's
00:32:33.660 a clear
00:32:34.060 and present
00:32:34.500 danger
00:32:34.940 that the
00:32:35.700 loser
00:32:35.980 of the
00:32:36.280 next
00:32:36.520 election
00:32:36.960 will be
00:32:37.620 certified
00:32:38.080 president
00:32:38.520 elect
00:32:38.960 with all
00:32:40.020 the chaos
00:32:40.640 and bloodshed
00:32:41.480 that portends
00:32:42.500 end quote
00:32:43.460 now these
00:32:44.600 if you're not
00:32:45.220 in the weeds
00:32:46.060 on this
00:32:46.500 topic
00:32:46.880 these can
00:32:47.480 sound like
00:32:48.240 fairly
00:32:49.520 paranoid
00:32:50.780 claims
00:32:51.980 but
00:32:52.820 just ask
00:32:54.520 yourself
00:32:54.820 what would
00:32:55.180 have happened
00:32:55.520 last time
00:32:56.080 around
00:32:56.420 if Mike
00:32:57.860 Pence
00:32:58.320 had
00:32:59.400 gone along
00:33:01.000 with the
00:33:01.840 demands
00:33:02.440 placed upon
00:33:03.600 him
00:33:03.840 that he
00:33:04.700 throw out
00:33:05.400 the votes
00:33:06.640 for Biden
00:33:07.140 from all
00:33:07.880 the contested
00:33:08.600 states
00:33:09.100 we know
00:33:10.340 we have a
00:33:10.780 problem
00:33:11.140 on our
00:33:11.900 hands here
00:33:12.380 and if we
00:33:12.780 don't
00:33:13.760 fix our
00:33:14.660 electoral
00:33:15.780 machinery
00:33:16.260 in the
00:33:16.900 meantime
00:33:17.300 2024
00:33:18.440 could be
00:33:19.080 far worse
00:33:19.840 than 2020
00:33:20.800 anyway
00:33:21.940 I'm interested
00:33:22.440 to get
00:33:22.740 to the
00:33:22.960 bottom
00:33:23.160 of this
00:33:23.500 so at
00:33:24.420 this point
00:33:24.680 I think
00:33:24.960 I'm going
00:33:25.160 to do
00:33:25.320 a podcast
00:33:25.680 with
00:33:26.240 Gellman
00:33:27.260 and
00:33:27.900 George
00:33:28.520 Packer
00:33:29.020 and the
00:33:30.080 current
00:33:30.260 plan is
00:33:30.640 to bring
00:33:30.920 on David
00:33:31.540 Frum
00:33:32.020 and Anne
00:33:32.860 Applebaum
00:33:33.380 both of
00:33:34.540 whom are
00:33:34.780 also
00:33:35.100 Atlantic
00:33:35.560 writers
00:33:35.940 with the
00:33:37.140 goal of
00:33:37.580 fully
00:33:37.900 presenting
00:33:38.380 the case
00:33:39.020 here
00:33:39.440 that there
00:33:40.040 is something
00:33:40.560 we need
00:33:41.460 to do
00:33:41.900 well in
00:33:42.740 advance
00:33:43.160 of 2024
00:33:43.880 to make
00:33:45.260 sure
00:33:45.600 that we
00:33:47.240 don't have
00:33:47.920 a slow
00:33:48.700 moving coup
00:33:49.420 on our
00:33:50.140 hands
00:33:50.420 again
00:33:51.320 if you're
00:33:51.920 out there
00:33:52.340 in
00:33:52.500 podcast
00:33:53.020 to stand
00:33:53.540 thinking
00:33:54.060 that there
00:33:54.780 was no
00:33:55.080 there
00:33:55.320 there
00:33:55.660 that the
00:33:56.220 Mueller
00:33:56.720 report
00:33:57.120 found
00:33:57.480 nothing
00:33:57.840 that the
00:33:58.700 Russiagate
00:33:59.240 hoax
00:33:59.760 was a
00:34:01.080 hoax
00:34:01.380 pure and
00:34:01.860 simple
00:34:02.140 that Trump
00:34:03.040 is just
00:34:03.420 a crass
00:34:04.300 businessman
00:34:04.800 but no
00:34:05.980 more of a
00:34:06.440 threat to
00:34:06.800 our democracy
00:34:07.400 than any
00:34:08.280 other politician
00:34:09.080 right if
00:34:09.940 that's
00:34:10.480 where you
00:34:11.120 are I
00:34:11.640 don't know
00:34:11.840 how you've
00:34:12.120 been listening
00:34:12.440 to me
00:34:12.800 in recent
00:34:13.820 years
00:34:14.100 but none
00:34:15.720 of what I've
00:34:16.180 just said
00:34:16.660 makes any
00:34:17.220 sense to
00:34:17.580 you
00:34:17.780 back here
00:34:19.040 on earth
00:34:19.500 it's pretty
00:34:20.620 clear
00:34:20.980 we have
00:34:22.520 barely
00:34:23.300 weathered
00:34:24.360 a conscious
00:34:25.340 attack
00:34:26.180 on our
00:34:27.000 democracy
00:34:27.760 and the
00:34:29.800 attack is
00:34:30.560 ongoing
00:34:31.320 and no
00:34:32.860 this is not
00:34:33.520 to exculpate
00:34:34.840 everything
00:34:35.460 Democrats
00:34:36.640 and social
00:34:38.380 justice
00:34:38.820 maniacs
00:34:39.460 have done
00:34:39.880 in the
00:34:40.360 meantime
00:34:40.780 and I've
00:34:41.920 been as
00:34:42.180 critical of
00:34:42.680 them as
00:34:43.700 anyone
00:34:44.000 but when
00:34:44.720 you're talking
00:34:45.220 about the
00:34:46.180 lying and
00:34:46.920 misinformation
00:34:47.440 that could
00:34:48.980 truly destroy
00:34:50.540 our democracy
00:34:51.920 there is an
00:34:53.180 asymmetric risk
00:34:54.260 coming from
00:34:55.080 the right
00:34:55.480 and from
00:34:56.200 Trump
00:34:56.580 himself
00:34:57.200 now
00:34:57.780 again
00:34:59.020 I make
00:35:00.080 no apologies
00:35:00.700 for this
00:35:01.920 opinion
00:35:02.280 which I can
00:35:03.240 well defend
00:35:03.940 that Trump
00:35:05.100 is the most
00:35:05.540 dangerous
00:35:05.980 cult leader
00:35:06.780 on earth
00:35:07.360 at this
00:35:08.000 moment
00:35:08.280 and has
00:35:09.320 been for
00:35:09.680 several years
00:35:10.260 and he
00:35:11.720 should be
00:35:12.060 viewed as
00:35:12.480 such
00:35:12.780 and responded
00:35:13.860 to
00:35:14.180 in that
00:35:15.040 way
00:35:15.280 he utterly
00:35:16.580 desecrated
00:35:17.360 the office
00:35:17.840 of the
00:35:18.100 presidency
00:35:18.560 and I
00:35:19.620 think there's
00:35:19.980 no respect
00:35:21.120 due to him
00:35:22.580 personally
00:35:23.160 for having
00:35:23.860 occupied
00:35:24.400 that office
00:35:25.280 anyway
00:35:26.380 that coming
00:35:27.040 conversation
00:35:27.500 I think
00:35:27.920 will be
00:35:28.320 a zoom
00:35:29.020 call
00:35:29.860 or done
00:35:30.920 on some
00:35:31.180 other video
00:35:31.600 platform
00:35:32.120 initially
00:35:33.180 for subscribers
00:35:34.680 to the podcast
00:35:35.500 and then we'll
00:35:36.640 put the audio
00:35:37.180 on the podcast
00:35:37.960 after that
00:35:38.660 that could be
00:35:39.920 fun to do
00:35:40.440 on video
00:35:41.420 what else
00:35:43.040 here
00:35:43.260 on a very
00:35:44.880 different point
00:35:45.540 but also a
00:35:46.480 note of
00:35:46.920 disappointment
00:35:47.620 I detected
00:35:48.700 in some
00:35:50.120 of you
00:35:50.400 I want to
00:35:51.200 think out
00:35:51.560 loud for a
00:35:52.160 moment on
00:35:53.060 the topic
00:35:54.580 of
00:35:55.280 NFTs
00:35:56.900 which I
00:35:58.540 broached
00:35:59.060 on Twitter
00:35:59.860 a few weeks
00:36:01.200 ago
00:36:01.520 putting out
00:36:02.560 a job
00:36:03.080 listing
00:36:03.740 for Waking
00:36:04.580 Up
00:36:04.840 Waking Up
00:36:05.920 is looking
00:36:06.220 for a head
00:36:06.680 of Web3
00:36:07.720 development
00:36:08.560 and let me
00:36:10.560 find it here
00:36:11.200 I said on
00:36:12.500 Twitter
00:36:12.740 attention all
00:36:13.320 Web3
00:36:13.900 NFT
00:36:14.400 maniacs
00:36:15.280 and then I
00:36:16.020 linked to
00:36:16.360 this job
00:36:16.760 posting
00:36:17.200 at Waking Up
00:36:18.220 and the
00:36:19.060 response was
00:36:19.840 mixed at
00:36:21.680 best
00:36:22.180 many of you
00:36:23.180 said
00:36:23.460 essentially
00:36:24.060 not you
00:36:24.880 too
00:36:25.100 Sam
00:36:25.500 I
00:36:26.720 essentially
00:36:27.060 responded
00:36:27.700 as though
00:36:28.080 I had
00:36:28.340 just
00:36:28.520 announced
00:36:28.860 that I
00:36:29.160 was
00:36:29.380 eager
00:36:29.800 to
00:36:30.180 perpetrate
00:36:30.780 some
00:36:31.000 kind
00:36:31.200 of
00:36:31.380 multi-level
00:36:31.900 marketing
00:36:32.380 scam
00:36:32.860 on my
00:36:33.980 audience
00:36:34.380 let me
00:36:35.360 take a
00:36:35.600 moment
00:36:35.720 to clarify
00:36:36.160 a few
00:36:36.520 things
00:36:36.840 because
00:36:37.120 this is
00:36:37.760 actually
00:36:38.040 something
00:36:38.380 I want
00:36:38.800 to do
00:36:39.120 and I
00:36:39.340 want to
00:36:39.640 recruit
00:36:40.060 some
00:36:40.720 great
00:36:41.000 person
00:36:41.380 to help
00:36:41.720 me
00:36:41.880 do it
00:36:42.300 so this
00:36:42.940 is my
00:36:43.320 reiterating
00:36:44.080 the job
00:36:44.660 listing
00:36:45.020 that can
00:36:45.500 be found
00:36:45.860 in that
00:36:46.220 Twitter
00:36:46.520 thread
00:36:46.900 so just
00:36:48.600 to clarify
00:36:48.980 for those
00:36:49.780 of you
00:36:50.020 who have
00:36:50.420 no idea
00:36:50.840 what I'm
00:36:51.220 talking about
00:36:51.740 so
00:36:53.060 NFTs
00:36:53.640 which are
00:36:54.280 all the
00:36:54.760 rage
00:36:55.060 at the
00:36:55.280 moment
00:36:55.500 are
00:36:56.800 so-called
00:36:58.160 non-fungible
00:36:59.000 tokens
00:36:59.460 and
00:37:00.320 without
00:37:00.840 belaboring
00:37:01.720 the point
00:37:02.540 I am
00:37:03.500 convinced
00:37:03.860 that this
00:37:04.180 is a
00:37:04.440 new
00:37:04.620 technology
00:37:05.260 that has
00:37:06.180 and will
00:37:06.500 do some
00:37:06.860 very interesting
00:37:07.480 things
00:37:08.000 it has
00:37:08.640 solved
00:37:08.940 the problem
00:37:09.500 of
00:37:09.840 digital
00:37:10.960 ownership
00:37:11.420 and digital
00:37:12.660 scarcity
00:37:13.120 which is to
00:37:14.800 say you can
00:37:15.220 have an
00:37:15.780 asset
00:37:16.120 that exists
00:37:17.320 as a
00:37:18.020 JPEG
00:37:18.800 or in
00:37:19.740 some other
00:37:20.060 digital form
00:37:20.820 and you
00:37:22.660 can really be
00:37:23.260 the sole
00:37:23.860 owner of it
00:37:24.640 even if
00:37:25.320 copies of
00:37:25.900 it
00:37:26.040 proliferate
00:37:27.160 online
00:37:27.880 and you
00:37:28.880 can layer
00:37:29.460 onto that
00:37:30.300 asset
00:37:31.260 all kinds
00:37:32.500 of other
00:37:33.080 properties
00:37:34.300 that are
00:37:35.220 interesting
00:37:35.600 whether they
00:37:36.380 also exist
00:37:37.120 in digital
00:37:37.540 space
00:37:38.040 or whether
00:37:38.800 they have
00:37:39.120 real world
00:37:39.740 consequences
00:37:40.740 right
00:37:41.620 so you can
00:37:42.180 have an
00:37:42.620 NFT
00:37:43.160 that is just
00:37:44.500 a piece
00:37:44.820 of artwork
00:37:45.320 but it can
00:37:46.200 become your
00:37:46.680 ticket to
00:37:47.720 a live
00:37:48.180 event
00:37:48.520 or unlock
00:37:49.760 some other
00:37:50.280 opportunity
00:37:51.160 or property
00:37:52.200 in the real
00:37:52.740 world
00:37:53.040 so I think
00:37:54.500 that's very
00:37:54.840 interesting
00:37:55.280 and I'm
00:37:56.180 not at all
00:37:56.820 cynical about
00:37:57.720 the future
00:37:58.600 there
00:37:58.960 although it
00:38:00.160 is impossible
00:38:00.700 not to be
00:38:01.600 cynical about
00:38:02.140 some of what
00:38:02.640 we're seeing
00:38:03.220 in this
00:38:04.300 space
00:38:04.680 right
00:38:05.060 there is a
00:38:05.440 kind of
00:38:06.020 tulip
00:38:06.560 mania
00:38:07.020 to some
00:38:07.660 of it
00:38:07.920 you've got
00:38:09.040 these
00:38:09.480 collections
00:38:10.480 of
00:38:10.980 mediocre
00:38:12.100 artwork
00:38:12.880 where the
00:38:14.480 cheapest
00:38:15.000 instance
00:38:16.160 now costs
00:38:17.200 hundreds of
00:38:18.060 thousands of
00:38:18.520 dollars
00:38:18.920 in principle
00:38:20.080 none of that's
00:38:20.700 new
00:38:20.900 I mean that's
00:38:21.520 true of
00:38:22.100 art in
00:38:22.600 general
00:38:22.900 you know
00:38:23.300 beauty or
00:38:24.020 significance
00:38:24.440 is often
00:38:25.920 in the eye
00:38:26.260 of the
00:38:26.480 beholder
00:38:26.840 and the
00:38:27.300 fact that
00:38:27.600 somebody can
00:38:28.100 put a
00:38:28.900 banana on
00:38:29.500 the wall
00:38:29.880 with duct
00:38:30.380 tape
00:38:30.660 and call
00:38:31.360 it art
00:38:31.720 that precedes
00:38:33.320 NFTs
00:38:34.480 but
00:38:35.460 let me
00:38:36.700 just float
00:38:37.060 the first
00:38:38.000 NFT idea
00:38:38.720 we have
00:38:39.360 here
00:38:39.740 just to
00:38:41.040 give you
00:38:41.260 a sense
00:38:41.680 of how
00:38:42.720 I'm
00:38:42.860 thinking
00:38:43.080 about it
00:38:43.620 and again
00:38:44.460 my purpose
00:38:44.960 here is
00:38:45.380 to recruit
00:38:46.520 somebody
00:38:46.940 who really
00:38:48.060 understands
00:38:48.600 this space
00:38:49.160 better than
00:38:49.780 I do
00:38:50.140 and understands
00:38:50.860 the possibilities
00:38:51.700 but who's
00:38:52.720 aligned with
00:38:53.500 my values
00:38:54.660 here
00:38:54.940 so what's
00:38:56.300 happening
00:38:56.620 with these
00:38:57.240 NFTs
00:38:57.980 currently
00:38:58.440 is you
00:38:58.780 have people
00:38:59.360 who are
00:38:59.620 buying
00:39:00.340 bored
00:39:01.660 apes
00:39:02.120 or
00:39:02.420 crypto
00:39:03.060 punks
00:39:03.600 most famously
00:39:04.760 which are
00:39:05.860 these
00:39:06.220 cute
00:39:07.660 little
00:39:07.920 drawings
00:39:08.460 and
00:39:09.700 they
00:39:10.880 are
00:39:11.200 trading
00:39:11.720 in them
00:39:12.160 in many
00:39:13.060 cases
00:39:13.320 they're
00:39:13.560 holding
00:39:13.860 them
00:39:14.140 as their
00:39:14.500 profile
00:39:15.220 pictures
00:39:15.880 right
00:39:16.200 so if
00:39:16.640 you own
00:39:17.580 a
00:39:17.860 bored
00:39:18.760 ape
00:39:19.000 that's
00:39:19.240 worth
00:39:19.560 two
00:39:20.540 million
00:39:20.840 dollars
00:39:21.340 chances
00:39:21.820 are
00:39:22.100 you're
00:39:22.340 using
00:39:22.660 that
00:39:22.960 as
00:39:23.160 you're
00:39:23.500 on
00:39:23.900 social
00:39:24.200 media
00:39:24.480 as
00:39:24.660 your
00:39:24.780 profile
00:39:25.100 picture
00:39:25.500 what's
00:39:27.160 happening
00:39:27.500 there
00:39:27.720 well
00:39:28.000 people
00:39:28.800 like
00:39:29.540 these
00:39:29.920 assets
00:39:30.500 they
00:39:30.740 like
00:39:31.320 the
00:39:31.500 bored
00:39:31.720 ape
00:39:31.900 they
00:39:32.060 bought
00:39:32.300 and
00:39:32.620 they're
00:39:32.980 putting
00:39:33.200 it
00:39:33.380 up
00:39:33.540 there
00:39:33.840 for
00:39:34.720 that
00:39:34.920 reason
00:39:35.300 presumably
00:39:36.120 but
00:39:36.500 they're
00:39:36.760 also
00:39:37.080 signaling
00:39:37.580 that
00:39:38.860 they're
00:39:39.180 rich
00:39:39.540 enough
00:39:39.960 to
00:39:40.880 have
00:39:41.180 spent
00:39:41.620 two
00:39:42.380 million
00:39:42.660 dollars
00:39:43.060 on
00:39:43.280 a
00:39:43.600 JPEG
00:39:44.100 that
00:39:44.620 is
00:39:44.800 not
00:39:45.100 dissimilar
00:39:45.760 to
00:39:45.980 the
00:39:46.200 9,999
00:39:48.100 other
00:39:49.040 JPEGs
00:39:50.360 in that
00:39:50.940 collection
00:39:51.320 so it
00:39:52.540 is a
00:39:52.760 kind of
00:39:53.140 social
00:39:53.480 signaling
00:39:53.940 of
00:39:54.380 wealth
00:39:54.900 and
00:39:55.160 conspicuous
00:39:56.060 consumption
00:39:56.580 but
00:39:57.720 that's
00:39:58.080 not
00:39:58.180 fundamentally
00:39:58.580 new
00:39:58.880 and
00:39:59.040 I'm
00:39:59.140 not
00:39:59.360 especially
00:39:59.780 judgmental
00:40:00.440 of
00:40:00.560 that
00:40:00.780 but
00:40:01.980 I'm
00:40:02.100 interested
00:40:02.440 in
00:40:02.960 flipping
00:40:04.400 this
00:40:04.840 whole
00:40:05.120 thing
00:40:05.580 and
00:40:06.540 in
00:40:06.740 doing
00:40:06.980 something
00:40:07.520 truly
00:40:08.500 good
00:40:08.900 in
00:40:09.540 the
00:40:09.640 world
00:40:09.900 so
00:40:10.740 those
00:40:10.960 of
00:40:11.060 you
00:40:11.180 who
00:40:11.300 heard
00:40:11.460 my
00:40:11.640 previous
00:40:11.980 podcast
00:40:12.380 with
00:40:13.020 Sam
00:40:13.620 Bankman
00:40:13.980 Freed
00:40:14.360 about
00:40:14.640 effective
00:40:15.020 altruism
00:40:15.580 might
00:40:16.480 remember
00:40:16.760 my
00:40:16.960 description
00:40:17.340 of
00:40:17.600 the
00:40:17.820 giving
00:40:18.280 what
00:40:18.440 we
00:40:18.580 can
00:40:18.900 pledge
00:40:19.380 this
00:40:20.220 is
00:40:20.300 the
00:40:20.420 pledge
00:40:20.780 that
00:40:21.080 Will
00:40:22.020 McCaskill
00:40:22.600 and
00:40:22.780 Toby
00:40:23.040 Ord
00:40:23.340 created
00:40:24.600 where
00:40:25.140 people
00:40:25.620 pledge
00:40:26.160 to
00:40:26.320 give
00:40:26.460 a
00:40:26.620 minimum
00:40:26.900 of
00:40:27.260 10%
00:40:27.840 of
00:40:28.060 their
00:40:28.300 lifetime
00:40:29.160 earnings
00:40:29.620 to
00:40:30.060 the
00:40:30.700 most
00:40:30.880 effective
00:40:31.320 charities
00:40:32.100 and
00:40:33.140 this
00:40:33.240 is
00:40:33.320 a
00:40:33.400 pledge
00:40:33.600 I
00:40:33.740 took
00:40:34.020 a
00:40:34.320 couple
00:40:34.480 years
00:40:34.700 back
00:40:35.120 Sam
00:40:36.480 Bankman
00:40:36.860 Freed
00:40:37.180 took
00:40:37.380 it
00:40:37.540 a few
00:40:38.140 years
00:40:38.360 before
00:40:38.700 me
00:40:39.320 and
00:40:40.100 about
00:40:41.560 7,000
00:40:42.560 people
00:40:43.360 have
00:40:43.840 taken
00:40:44.080 it
00:40:44.300 so far
00:40:44.880 on
00:40:45.720 the
00:40:45.820 Giving
00:40:45.980 What
00:40:46.140 We
00:40:46.260 Can
00:40:46.540 website
00:40:47.200 what
00:40:48.360 we're
00:40:48.540 proposing
00:40:48.940 to do
00:40:49.400 at
00:40:49.620 Waking
00:40:50.220 Up
00:40:50.540 is to
00:40:51.640 create
00:40:51.900 our
00:40:52.140 version
00:40:52.580 of
00:40:53.400 the
00:40:53.540 pledge
00:40:53.920 and
00:40:55.200 we
00:40:55.780 might
00:40:55.960 add
00:40:56.220 some
00:40:56.420 other
00:40:56.680 relevant
00:40:57.620 wrinkle
00:40:58.040 to it
00:40:58.460 but
00:40:58.720 basically
00:40:59.220 it'll
00:40:59.720 be
00:40:59.820 the
00:40:59.980 same
00:41:00.200 pledge
00:41:00.580 and
00:41:01.880 we
00:41:02.680 want
00:41:02.860 to
00:41:02.960 create
00:41:03.380 NFTs
00:41:04.200 based
00:41:05.260 on the
00:41:05.580 daily
00:41:05.920 heads
00:41:06.500 that
00:41:07.240 have
00:41:07.380 become
00:41:07.580 this
00:41:07.780 ever
00:41:07.980 present
00:41:08.280 piece
00:41:08.520 of
00:41:08.640 artwork
00:41:09.080 within
00:41:10.180 the
00:41:10.400 app
00:41:10.680 and
00:41:11.800 give
00:41:12.080 them
00:41:12.260 out
00:41:12.580 to
00:41:13.260 perhaps
00:41:14.140 10,000
00:41:14.740 people
00:41:15.140 who
00:41:15.840 have
00:41:15.980 taken
00:41:16.320 that
00:41:17.080 pledge
00:41:17.440 and
00:41:18.720 consider
00:41:19.020 what
00:41:19.240 this
00:41:19.440 will
00:41:19.600 make
00:41:20.000 possible
00:41:20.860 so
00:41:21.840 first
00:41:22.160 people
00:41:23.000 have
00:41:23.920 a
00:41:24.280 nice
00:41:25.500 piece
00:41:26.400 of
00:41:26.540 artwork
00:41:26.920 to
00:41:27.840 use
00:41:28.080 as
00:41:28.220 their
00:41:28.360 profile
00:41:28.740 pic
00:41:29.060 in
00:41:29.180 the
00:41:29.300 same
00:41:29.480 way
00:41:29.700 that
00:41:29.900 they're
00:41:30.140 doing
00:41:30.420 with
00:41:30.740 these
00:41:31.300 other
00:41:31.500 NFTs
00:41:32.020 and
00:41:33.120 in
00:41:33.260 fact
00:41:33.480 I'm
00:41:33.980 already
00:41:34.180 doing
00:41:34.420 it
00:41:34.560 on
00:41:34.680 Twitter
00:41:34.880 myself
00:41:35.340 I
00:41:35.580 have
00:41:35.920 a
00:41:36.480 daily
00:41:36.760 head
00:41:37.160 as
00:41:37.780 my
00:41:37.960 Twitter
00:41:38.260 avatar
00:41:38.820 so
00:41:40.060 just
00:41:40.260 imagine
00:41:40.580 that's
00:41:41.360 my
00:41:41.640 NFT
00:41:42.060 signifying
00:41:43.160 that I've
00:41:43.600 taken
00:41:43.900 the
00:41:44.220 waking
00:41:44.780 up
00:41:45.100 pledge
00:41:45.800 imagine
00:41:47.360 what
00:41:47.540 happens
00:41:47.920 once
00:41:48.420 you've
00:41:49.500 identified
00:41:49.980 this
00:41:50.860 community
00:41:51.340 in this
00:41:52.040 way
00:41:52.360 you've
00:41:53.080 given
00:41:53.240 them
00:41:53.360 a way
00:41:53.600 to
00:41:53.760 identify
00:41:54.140 themselves
00:41:54.800 it
00:41:55.720 seems
00:41:55.900 to me
00:41:56.080 a
00:41:56.240 very
00:41:56.500 different
00:41:57.020 kind
00:41:57.480 of
00:41:57.820 social
00:41:58.420 signaling
00:41:58.880 and
00:41:59.300 status
00:41:59.920 gets
00:42:00.860 created
00:42:01.340 here
00:42:01.800 and
00:42:02.560 it's
00:42:02.700 precisely
00:42:03.200 the
00:42:03.500 kind
00:42:03.960 I
00:42:04.880 would
00:42:05.060 think
00:42:05.400 we would
00:42:05.680 want
00:42:05.920 to
00:42:06.060 incentivize
00:42:06.760 so
00:42:07.600 we
00:42:08.280 create
00:42:08.580 these
00:42:08.780 NFTs
00:42:09.260 we
00:42:10.300 give
00:42:10.580 them
00:42:10.820 to
00:42:11.040 the
00:42:11.200 7,000
00:42:11.780 people
00:42:12.180 who've
00:42:12.940 already
00:42:13.120 taken
00:42:13.360 the
00:42:13.520 pledge
00:42:13.880 over
00:42:14.400 giving
00:42:14.660 what
00:42:14.840 we
00:42:14.960 can
00:42:15.240 we
00:42:15.440 give
00:42:15.600 them
00:42:15.760 to
00:42:15.960 a few
00:42:16.280 thousand
00:42:16.620 more
00:42:17.000 who
00:42:17.340 now
00:42:18.220 take
00:42:18.500 the
00:42:18.660 pledge
00:42:18.980 with
00:42:19.280 us
00:42:19.540 and
00:42:20.600 then
00:42:20.720 we
00:42:20.840 go out
00:42:21.160 into
00:42:21.300 the
00:42:21.500 world
00:42:21.860 looking
00:42:22.880 for
00:42:23.100 people
00:42:23.420 who
00:42:23.640 want
00:42:24.060 to
00:42:24.600 celebrate
00:42:26.000 these
00:42:27.120 people
00:42:28.180 along
00:42:29.060 with
00:42:29.300 us
00:42:29.620 right
00:42:30.780 so we
00:42:31.100 could
00:42:31.220 go to
00:42:31.620 American
00:42:32.020 Express
00:42:32.340 and say
00:42:33.180 you've
00:42:34.060 got this
00:42:34.340 black
00:42:34.700 card
00:42:35.060 for
00:42:35.280 people
00:42:35.540 who
00:42:35.700 just
00:42:35.900 spend
00:42:36.200 a lot
00:42:36.500 of
00:42:36.640 money
00:42:36.940 that's
00:42:37.740 what
00:42:37.880 you're
00:42:38.100 rewarding
00:42:38.640 here
00:42:38.980 why not
00:42:40.120 create a
00:42:40.700 card for
00:42:41.820 the people
00:42:42.740 who've
00:42:42.940 taken the
00:42:43.300 waking up
00:42:43.680 pledge
00:42:44.100 and give
00:42:45.720 them access
00:42:46.240 to your
00:42:46.940 airport
00:42:47.980 lounges
00:42:48.580 and we
00:42:49.380 can go
00:42:49.640 to the
00:42:50.220 NFL
00:42:50.960 and say
00:42:51.580 you know
00:42:51.780 why not
00:42:52.080 reserve
00:42:52.520 50 seats
00:42:53.740 at the
00:42:54.020 Super Bowl
00:42:54.420 for people
00:42:55.200 who've
00:42:55.400 taken
00:42:55.660 the
00:42:56.080 waking up
00:42:56.480 pledge
00:42:56.820 will
00:42:58.000 give
00:42:58.200 you
00:42:58.320 access
00:42:58.660 to
00:42:59.040 this
00:42:59.360 very
00:43:00.120 high
00:43:00.480 leverage
00:43:01.040 very
00:43:01.480 engaged
00:43:02.080 community
00:43:02.700 of
00:43:03.600 people
00:43:03.880 who
00:43:04.120 have
00:43:04.480 decided
00:43:05.480 to do
00:43:05.900 something
00:43:06.400 quite
00:43:07.300 good
00:43:07.780 and
00:43:08.280 why don't
00:43:09.060 you play
00:43:09.380 this game
00:43:09.900 with us
00:43:10.580 and then
00:43:11.220 you can
00:43:11.420 imagine
00:43:11.800 that the
00:43:12.440 value
00:43:12.880 of these
00:43:13.300 NFTs
00:43:13.840 might
00:43:14.280 grow
00:43:14.940 and
00:43:15.760 there
00:43:16.760 could
00:43:16.920 be
00:43:17.040 some
00:43:17.200 secondary
00:43:17.580 sales
00:43:18.120 because
00:43:18.320 many
00:43:18.860 of the
00:43:19.020 people
00:43:19.180 who've
00:43:19.340 taken
00:43:19.520 the
00:43:19.680 pledge
00:43:19.900 are
00:43:20.020 not
00:43:20.340 especially
00:43:20.780 wealthy
00:43:21.260 some
00:43:22.380 are
00:43:22.680 but
00:43:22.940 there
00:43:23.380 may
00:43:23.520 be
00:43:23.620 people
00:43:23.880 who've
00:43:24.160 taken
00:43:24.360 this
00:43:24.560 pledge
00:43:24.860 who are
00:43:25.060 making
00:43:25.420 $40,000
00:43:26.980 a year
00:43:27.640 and
00:43:28.020 just
00:43:28.220 giving
00:43:28.500 10%
00:43:29.140 of
00:43:29.300 their
00:43:29.460 money
00:43:29.820 away
00:43:30.080 every
00:43:30.280 year
00:43:30.520 well
00:43:31.220 if
00:43:31.320 you're
00:43:31.400 making
00:43:31.600 $40,000
00:43:32.280 a year
00:43:32.920 and
00:43:33.540 all of
00:43:33.840 a sudden
00:43:34.220 the
00:43:34.940 NFT
00:43:35.280 that I
00:43:35.700 gave
00:43:36.000 you
00:43:36.280 is
00:43:36.720 worth
00:43:37.100 $400,000
00:43:38.780 you
00:43:39.940 might want
00:43:40.220 to sell
00:43:40.500 that
00:43:40.680 NFT
00:43:41.020 and
00:43:41.680 then
00:43:41.960 in
00:43:42.520 the
00:43:42.720 sale
00:43:43.160 something
00:43:44.220 like
00:43:44.480 80%
00:43:44.980 of
00:43:45.120 that
00:43:45.260 might
00:43:45.460 go
00:43:45.600 to
00:43:45.760 you
00:43:46.040 but
00:43:46.600 20%
00:43:47.260 would
00:43:47.440 go
00:43:47.600 back
00:43:48.060 to
00:43:48.620 charities
00:43:49.500 that
00:43:50.180 we've
00:43:50.360 already
00:43:50.560 identified
00:43:51.000 as
00:43:51.400 some
00:43:51.880 of
00:43:51.960 the
00:43:52.040 most
00:43:52.240 effective
00:43:52.660 in
00:43:52.980 reducing
00:43:55.420 risk
00:43:56.200 it
00:43:56.980 seems
00:43:57.200 to me
00:43:57.360 that
00:43:57.480 there's
00:43:57.640 a
00:43:57.800 really
00:43:58.120 interesting
00:43:58.680 project
00:43:59.520 here
00:43:59.960 which
00:44:00.680 again
00:44:00.960 you're
00:44:01.460 hearing
00:44:01.660 all the
00:44:02.040 rough
00:44:02.240 edges
00:44:02.500 here
00:44:02.720 because
00:44:03.020 we're
00:44:03.300 still
00:44:03.660 thinking
00:44:03.980 it
00:44:04.140 through
00:44:04.360 and
00:44:04.560 I
00:44:04.680 want
00:44:05.100 to
00:44:05.240 hire
00:44:05.500 someone
00:44:06.000 to
00:44:06.740 help
00:44:06.980 us
00:44:07.220 think
00:44:07.580 it
00:44:07.720 through
00:44:07.940 and
00:44:08.140 to
00:44:08.240 help
00:44:08.420 create
00:44:08.860 a
00:44:09.020 community
00:44:09.480 here
00:44:10.400 that
00:44:10.660 is
00:44:10.900 fun
00:44:11.540 and
00:44:11.920 interesting
00:44:12.340 and
00:44:12.960 doing
00:44:13.500 intrinsically
00:44:14.380 good
00:44:14.660 things
00:44:15.080 so
00:44:16.040 if
00:44:16.200 you're
00:44:16.300 that
00:44:16.420 sort
00:44:16.600 of
00:44:16.700 person
00:44:16.980 if
00:44:17.180 you're
00:44:17.320 living
00:44:17.560 on
00:44:17.700 the
00:44:17.800 blockchain
00:44:18.140 if
00:44:19.060 you
00:44:19.200 know
00:44:19.480 way
00:44:19.840 more
00:44:20.100 about
00:44:20.480 what's
00:44:21.280 possible
00:44:21.680 here
00:44:22.000 and
00:44:22.120 what's
00:44:22.340 coming
00:44:22.660 than
00:44:23.020 I
00:44:23.200 do
00:44:23.440 we
00:44:24.520 really
00:44:24.720 want
00:44:24.880 to
00:44:24.960 hear
00:44:25.060 from
00:44:25.240 you
00:44:25.440 over
00:44:26.180 at
00:44:26.300 Waking
00:44:26.520 Up
00:44:26.720 again
00:44:27.540 the
00:44:27.900 link
00:44:28.280 to
00:44:28.400 the
00:44:28.500 job
00:44:28.720 description
00:44:29.200 and
00:44:29.720 application
00:44:30.200 page
00:44:30.580 is
00:44:30.700 in
00:44:30.880 my
00:44:31.160 twitter
00:44:31.940 feed
00:44:32.280 just
00:44:33.160 a
00:44:33.320 couple
00:44:33.480 of
00:44:33.600 weeks
00:44:33.760 back
00:44:34.120 and
00:44:35.200 if
00:44:35.320 you're
00:44:35.420 a
00:44:35.540 corporation
00:44:36.100 who
00:44:37.380 would
00:44:38.280 like
00:44:38.440 to
00:44:38.560 participate
00:44:38.960 in
00:44:39.180 this
00:44:39.380 again
00:44:39.700 why
00:44:40.340 wouldn't
00:44:40.680 you
00:44:40.900 want
00:44:41.460 to
00:44:41.580 reserve
00:44:41.880 some
00:44:42.200 seats
00:44:42.580 in
00:44:43.320 your
00:44:43.460 football
00:44:43.760 stadium
00:44:44.220 for
00:44:44.980 these
00:44:45.160 sorts
00:44:45.360 of
00:44:45.480 people
00:44:45.740 right
00:44:46.460 we're
00:44:46.640 talking
00:44:46.840 about
00:44:47.000 people
00:44:47.220 who
00:44:47.420 have
00:44:48.100 decided
00:44:48.960 to
00:44:49.220 give
00:44:49.680 a
00:44:50.420 minimum
00:44:50.740 of
00:44:50.960 10%
00:44:51.320 of
00:44:51.500 their
00:44:51.620 earnings
00:44:52.100 every
00:44:52.860 year
00:44:53.160 to
00:44:53.300 the
00:44:53.420 most
00:44:53.600 effective
00:44:53.920 charities
00:44:54.420 you
00:44:54.960 don't
00:44:55.080 think
00:44:55.220 it would
00:44:55.360 be
00:44:55.440 good
00:44:55.600 for
00:44:55.740 your
00:44:55.880 brand
00:44:56.260 to
00:44:56.500 be
00:44:56.840 incentivizing
00:44:58.020 their
00:44:58.520 behavior
00:44:58.920 and
00:44:59.240 meeting
00:44:59.880 these
00:45:00.080 people
00:45:00.340 so
00:45:01.020 if
00:45:01.160 you
00:45:01.260 are
00:45:01.380 a
00:45:01.520 company
00:45:01.840 that
00:45:03.000 wants
00:45:03.680 to
00:45:03.820 be
00:45:03.940 involved
00:45:04.280 in
00:45:04.480 this
00:45:04.640 effort
00:45:04.940 please
00:45:05.860 reach
00:45:06.140 out
00:45:06.320 to
00:45:06.460 us
00:45:06.740 I
00:45:07.440 guess
00:45:07.580 we'll
00:45:07.680 create
00:45:07.920 a
00:45:08.100 dedicated
00:45:08.500 email
00:45:09.140 address
00:45:09.500 for
00:45:09.660 this
00:45:15.480 have
00:45:15.720 about
00:45:15.920 how
00:45:16.080 you
00:45:16.220 could
00:45:16.360 make
00:45:16.580 this
00:45:16.880 fun
00:45:17.560 for
00:45:18.180 people
00:45:18.480 we
00:45:19.080 would
00:45:19.220 love
00:45:19.380 to
00:45:19.480 hear
00:45:19.600 about
00:45:19.820 it
00:45:20.040 that's
00:45:21.060 just
00:45:21.180 the
00:45:21.340 first
00:45:21.540 idea
00:45:21.900 in
00:45:22.220 this
00:45:22.380 space
00:45:22.660 but
00:45:23.140 it's
00:45:23.220 the
00:45:23.300 kind
00:45:23.460 of
00:45:23.540 idea
00:45:23.740 that
00:45:23.980 this
00:45:24.320 technology
00:45:24.980 has
00:45:26.180 suddenly
00:45:26.380 made
00:45:26.600 possible
00:45:27.080 everything
00:45:28.040 I
00:45:28.680 just
00:45:28.940 said
00:45:29.420 would
00:45:30.460 make
00:45:30.680 no
00:45:30.900 sense
00:45:31.340 without
00:45:32.300 the
00:45:32.760 blockchain
00:45:33.120 and
00:45:34.340 NFTs
00:45:35.120 it
00:45:36.380 strikes
00:45:36.700 me
00:45:36.900 as a
00:45:37.300 really
00:45:37.940 promising
00:45:38.420 and
00:45:39.100 ethically
00:45:39.920 fairly
00:45:40.500 thrilling
00:45:41.020 possibility
00:45:42.140 and
00:45:43.180 it's
00:45:43.300 one
00:45:43.480 of
00:45:43.580 the
00:45:43.680 things
00:45:43.940 that
00:45:44.200 gets
00:45:44.580 me
00:45:44.740 excited
00:45:45.480 all
00:45:46.240 of
00:45:46.360 the
00:45:46.480 chaos
00:45:46.920 that
00:45:47.800 we
00:45:47.920 see
00:45:48.200 around
00:45:48.880 us
00:45:49.220 new
00:45:49.820 things
00:45:50.220 are
00:45:50.380 being
00:45:50.580 born
00:45:50.960 moment
00:45:51.900 by
00:45:52.080 moment
00:45:52.380 and
00:45:53.300 one
00:45:54.720 of
00:45:54.820 the
00:45:54.920 purposes
00:45:55.240 of
00:45:55.740 what
00:45:56.500 I'm
00:45:56.600 doing
00:45:56.820 here
00:45:57.000 on
00:45:57.100 the
00:45:57.200 podcast
00:45:57.520 is
00:45:57.900 to
00:45:58.020 figure
00:45:58.220 out
00:45:58.520 what
00:45:59.100 to
00:45:59.260 do
00:45:59.560 with
00:46:00.300 all
00:46:00.500 of
00:46:00.600 the
00:46:00.680 opportunity
00:46:01.060 we
00:46:01.340 have
00:46:01.820 to
00:46:02.460 make
00:46:02.660 our
00:46:02.820 world
00:46:03.180 better
00:46:03.940 anyway
00:46:05.300 I'm
00:46:05.640 looking
00:46:05.800 forward
00:46:06.060 to
00:46:06.180 the
00:46:06.300 next
00:46:06.480 year
00:46:06.760 with
00:46:07.340 all
00:46:07.480 of
00:46:07.600 you
00:46:07.760 over
00:46:08.380 here
00:46:08.540 at
00:46:08.660 Making
00:46:08.860 Sense
00:46:09.280 over
00:46:09.940 there
00:46:10.140 at
00:46:10.260 Waking
00:46:10.480 Up
00:46:10.740 and
00:46:11.820 over
00:46:15.480 Mental
00:46:15.880 we've
00:46:17.220 got
00:46:17.320 a
00:46:17.460 third
00:46:17.640 season
00:46:18.020 we're
00:46:18.380 going
00:46:18.440 to
00:46:18.500 release
00:46:18.780 soon
00:46:19.100 and
00:46:19.700 that's
00:46:19.900 been
00:46:20.060 a lot
00:46:20.500 of
00:46:20.600 fun
00:46:20.740 to
00:46:20.860 record
00:46:21.180 and
00:46:22.720 somewhat
00:46:23.240 belatedly
00:46:23.820 here
00:46:24.120 wishing you
00:46:24.740 all a
00:46:25.220 happy
00:46:25.500 and healthy
00:46:26.040 new
00:46:26.640 year
00:46:26.900 thanks
00:46:27.680 for
00:46:27.820 listening
00:46:45.480 to