Making Sense - Sam Harris - #413 — “More From Sam”： Trump & Israel, Corruption, Free Speech Violations, the Democrats, & Ezra Klein

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00:01:18.680 Most Jews I talk to tell me that they feel safer with Trump in office now. Why do you think they're

00:01:29.260 wrong? Well, admittedly, that's kind of a mixed story. I get it. If you're a single issue voter

00:01:35.920 and your issue was Israel, I kind of understand that because Biden and Harris were making noises that

00:01:44.000 seemed guaranteed to make you uncomfortable. Yeah. I mean, the moral confusion left of center

00:01:50.260 about the war in Gaza and about Hamas and about the whole peace process with the Palestinians,

00:01:56.960 it's understandable that if that was your issue, you thought virtually anything is better than that,

00:02:03.320 right? And Trump, in his defense and in defense of his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, first time around,

00:02:10.460 did demonstrate some considerable support for Israel and moving the embassy to Jerusalem.

00:02:17.000 I mean, all of these things were big moves that other presidents hadn't taken. The reason why Trump

00:02:22.120 is not reliable is that he's not reliable. He's not a serious person. He doesn't actually understand

00:02:30.160 anything. He has allegiances which are vulnerable to the next moment he feels personally slighted by

00:02:37.640 somebody, right? So I would remind you that the only thing he said in the immediate aftermath of

00:02:42.680 October 7th was something incredibly petty. I mean, actually psychopathically petty about how

00:02:50.540 Netanyahu had not been sufficiently loyal to him or something. I mean, it was completely insane, 0.56

00:02:56.860 analogous to his first comments after the World Trade Center came down after 9-11. And he said,

00:03:02.880 you know, many people say, I've got the tallest building in Manhattan now. I mean, an absolutely

00:03:06.900 disqualifying piece of moral lunacy. And that's what he was like after October 7th, right? So he's

00:03:12.780 totally capable of changing his feelings about Israel based on his feelings about how a leader there has

00:03:19.060 treated him. And he's also capable of pitching his brilliant idea of turning Gaza into Six Flags Magic 0.89

00:03:26.120 Mountain and trolling the entire world by releasing, I think this came from the official White House X

00:03:34.000 account. Correct me if I'm wrong. It was either Trump's account or the official White House. I think

00:03:39.600 it, honestly, I think it was the official White House. Other things like this have come on that channel.

00:03:45.460 It's become a pure troll account. And he released this AI video of, you know, a golden statue of him

00:03:50.840 effectively being worshipped in Gaza. I mean, it's insane that we have a president who's engaging with

00:03:56.580 this immensity of human suffering and, you know, danger for the future with this kind of

00:04:03.160 no-nothingism and just, you know, self-absorption, right? So it's not, he's not a reliable partner to

00:04:09.860 Israel. He's also probably deeply conflicted with his economic ambitions in the Gulf States.

00:04:16.420 You know, he's, he would sell Israel out to, for a hotel deal in Saudi, I think. I mean,

00:04:22.900 he's just not, he's not a serious moral act. But he hasn't. Those are speculations. I mean,

00:04:27.120 I understand he hasn't though. And, you know, I think he has been generally better if you are a

00:04:31.640 single voter for Israel, but I'm not even talking about Israel. I'm talking about the Jews that I

00:04:35.500 talk to that tell me they just feel safer here in the U.S. Okay. But the thing they're ignoring is

00:04:41.100 that Trump and his enablers continue to play well with the scariest anti-Semites in the West,

00:04:50.280 the right-wing anti-Semites. I mean, if you're talking about anti-Semites who actually want to

00:04:53.960 kill the Jews now, you're talking about not the far left on college campuses. You're talking, 1.00

00:04:59.480 I mean, what's adjacent to the far left are the real Islamists and jihadists, right, who have 0.96

00:05:04.000 confused them. But on the right, you're also talking about scary anti-Semites. You're talking 0.94

00:05:08.880 about neo-Nazis. You're talking about conspiracists who think that the Jews are controlling the world 0.88

00:05:12.840 economy and sabotaging it for their own personal gain. Trump is the guy who will never say anything

00:05:20.040 bad, really, about the far, far conspiracy addled right, because for some reason he thinks he needs

00:05:27.060 them. I mean, it's just all too obvious. This goes all the way back to his first campaign when David

00:05:32.420 Duke was supporting him, and he pretended not to know who David Duke was when he was pressed on,

00:05:37.020 would you disavow the support? He absolutely knows who David Duke is, right? It's just there's a game

00:05:43.140 of footsie being played with the most odious characters on the far right, all of whom are 0.99

00:05:47.580 anti-Semitic lunatics, and Trump is playing that game. And when you look at the people who are out 0.98

00:05:53.780 in Trumpistan, the great influencers of Trumpistan, the Tucker Carlson's of the world, they are playing

00:05:58.920 a game of Holocaust revisionism and denialism that is frankly terrifying and is pouring gasoline on the

00:06:05.840 most dangerous current of anti-Semitism in America. That's happening on the right. It's not the left.

00:06:10.580 It's not the people encamped on Ivy League campuses who are confused about what's happening in Gaza.

00:06:17.360 So it's a very mixed picture, Trump's support for the Jews, and it's by no means optimal,

00:06:24.360 though it is understandable that people who are focused on the Israel piece couldn't see it in the

00:06:29.840 run-up to the election. Okay. So maybe Trump just likes to be liked by a lot of people,

00:06:34.340 but he's also the one who put the anti-Semitism task force together. And he's also done things

00:06:39.980 that feel, if you're Jewish, that feel like, okay, he's taking action. He might still keep those lines 0.99

00:06:46.760 of communication open and he might, you know, pretend to not know these people, but it does

00:06:50.720 appear, if you're Jewish, that somebody finally has your back. What are they getting wrong with that? 0.58

00:06:55.740 Why is what they feel or they seem to appear to be witnessing wrong? You just think it's short-lived

00:07:01.380 potentially? Well, because he and his team are not actually ethical and well-informed, right? He's

00:07:10.080 surrounded by loyalists and he honestly does not have an ethical bone in his body, right? So he's

00:07:16.300 bound to get things wrong because he's motivated by something other than clear-sighted, you know,

00:07:22.060 moral integrity and ethical principles. So yeah, on the college piece, yes, it's totally understandable

00:07:27.360 that people would want something like a heavy-handed response to the moral confusion in those

00:07:34.300 institutions. And there's something satisfying about that. But because Trump is actually motivated by

00:07:40.240 pure vindictiveness against the so-called elites, and he doesn't actually know what a university is

00:07:46.780 good for, he's not actually a defender of free speech, right? I mean, though the MAGA cult thinks

00:07:52.760 that, you know, free speech absolutism is one of their principles, it's simply not. So rounding up

00:07:58.100 someone whose only, you know, moral infraction was to write an op-ed in, you know, castigating the IDF,

00:08:05.540 right, and deport them, right, just for a pure act of speech, that's, you know, deeply corrosive,

00:08:11.480 not just to the life of the, you know, that specific student immigrant, but to the culture

00:08:16.640 of a college campus, right? Like, this is not what our government should be doing. Yes, the campuses

00:08:22.220 needed a corrective to their moral confusion and to the outburst of anti-Semitism that they allowed

00:08:28.820 to happen there, and to their, you know, ethical double standards, which were, you know, totally 0.85

00:08:33.560 self-evident to anyone who was watching those congressional hearings and who wasn't a woke lunatic.

00:08:39.440 But having the government put this kind of pressure on the institutions and defund the most important

00:08:47.020 science, right, to cut the budgets of not just the soft sciences and the humanities that tend

00:08:52.900 to be more confused on these issues, but the hard sciences and medical research, I mean, it's been

00:08:57.360 a disaster that what Trump and Doge have been doing to the, you know, the National Science Foundation

00:09:02.500 and to our universities. And it's, you know, it stands a chance of, you know, wrecking the stature

00:09:09.300 and even the economy of our country. You know, I don't think we want Hamas supporting students 1.00

00:09:16.620 or immigrants of any kind in this country, right? So we should be very slow to give visas, 1.00

00:09:23.080 student and otherwise, to people before we have vetted them. And so our vetting process needs to be

00:09:28.900 better. And we need to exclude Islamists and jihadists and just, you know, ideologues who 0.59

00:09:34.380 have no sympathy for Western values, right? I mean, the people who want to destroy our society 0.79

00:09:40.140 or see it replaced with something else are not people we should be eager to have in this country.

00:09:45.240 So at the border and in the immigration process, we should have a very fine filter, right? But once

00:09:51.960 people are here and they're expressing odious ideas, we should have a different standard for

00:09:59.020 deporting them, right? Like it's not the same gesture. Not letting them in is very different

00:10:03.140 from showing up in masks in the middle of the night and hauling them out of their dorm room and

00:10:09.400 putting them on a plane to nowhere. That's a completely different level of intrusion in the lives of

00:10:15.740 normal people. And forget about the people being deported, you know, without due process.

00:10:19.020 That's awful. You're going to get the wrong. What does due process mean? It's the only safeguard

00:10:23.080 against getting the wrong people, getting innocent people. This is all so totally ill-conceived because

00:10:29.780 we don't have serious, sane, and ethical people in charge. Yeah. So, I mean, I, again, I go back to

00:10:35.800 this. I hear all that and I agree with it. Most of it, I can't remember everything you said, but

00:10:39.560 there was a lot there. But I do, I think that people feel like they do have sort of a golem in the 0.68

00:10:45.400 White House. And even if he says things like, you know, if the hostages aren't back by Saturday,

00:10:49.560 they'll be held to pay. And I guess what I'm wondering is, are you thinking that's just

00:10:52.800 short-lived because, you know, he could change his mind on something quickly and...

00:10:56.800 No, he's actually harming the universities. He's harming the culture of free speech that

00:11:00.720 he, that his acolytes imagine he's protecting, right? And I think the net result of all of this

00:11:06.780 is going to be more antisemitism. Quite literally, everything is wrong with this except the initial 0.88

00:11:13.060 impulse to feel like we have to do something about the problem of antisemitism on these

00:11:18.660 campuses. And more generally, the problem of ideological capture by Islamists and far-left

00:11:25.000 lunatics, right? I mean, so it's not just antisemitism. It's basically a repudiation of Western values,

00:11:30.880 Enlightenment values, free speech, I mean, any kind of sane political and moral order over there,

00:11:36.220 right? I mean, that is a problem that we have to address. But to have people who know nothing,

00:11:41.820 who are self-dealing jerks, right? Who are, who are launching meme coins to enrich themselves and 0.99

00:11:48.480 are literally, this is the most corrupt administration anyone could imagine. The idea that they're going

00:11:54.040 to do something well in this area should be quite literally unthinkable to you. And it's, and it's so

00:11:59.680 obviously not going well immediately. The repudiation of due process is insane. I mean,

00:12:05.580 the only thing that safeguards our democracy from a slide into actual authoritarianism and tyranny

00:12:12.460 is due process. If people can arrest you and send you to a torture room in El Salvador,

00:12:18.620 right, without having taken the necessary steps to figure out who you are, right, and once they admit

00:12:24.560 having made errors, they just laugh about it and do nothing to get you back, that's the end of the

00:12:29.600 line, right? I mean, there's just, there is no further slide that we need to worry about into

00:12:34.600 authoritarianism. That's it.

00:12:36.600 Right. Well, it seems the right out there has Abrego Garcia down as sort of one of the worst

00:12:40.140 human beings on the planet and the left, some of the left.

00:12:42.640 Whoever he is, whoever he is, without due process, it doesn't matter. I mean, so, again, generically,

00:12:47.760 we can all agree that we don't want any MS-13 gang members in the United States. If they're citizens,

00:12:54.840 we want to watch their behavior, and the moment they commit a crime, we want to throw them in prison.

00:12:59.460 If they're not citizens, we want them out of the country. Everyone should be able to agree about that. 1.00

00:13:03.840 But if you can't take the steps to figure out who anyone is, because you're in such a rush to make

00:13:09.760 a political point, and you're so callous that when it's obvious you're making errors, you don't care

00:13:16.020 about the suffering you're causing. I mean, our country is now unrecognizable.

00:13:21.360 Did you see the picture of him having that nice latte at the restaurant?

00:13:23.980 Yeah. Did you see the picture that was obviously photoshopped that Trump thought was the aerial

00:13:30.380 font of MS-13 on the guy's knuckles that had been photoshopped there to illustrate the meaning of the

00:13:35.940 symbols on his knuckles? Trump thought that was actually on his skin. I mean, forget about the

00:13:41.780 corruption. Forget about the lack of just moral integrity. The level of incompetence on display

00:13:48.920 here. I mean, it's signal gate all the way down. It's people who just aren't serious.

00:13:55.280 Yeah, it should be terrifying to people. I mean, the problem is no one right of center is keeping

00:14:00.840 score. It's like, yes, okay, Trump is this great defender of Israel, right? And what's Israel's real 0.52

00:14:06.100 problem? It's Iran. Well, what's Trump doing with Iran now? He's effectively trying to renegotiate the

00:14:13.280 Obama deal that on his account was the worst deal ever signed by our country. It remains to be seen

00:14:19.380 what's going to happen with Iran, but Trump is not thus far behaving in a way that should console any

00:14:25.000 of the hawks who think that the regime change in Iran is our only plausible goal. He's not, again,

00:14:32.480 we don't know, I don't know what's going to happen because he could change his mind in five minutes,

00:14:35.580 but he's not acting like someone who understands what the problem is there.

00:14:43.680 I want to thank everyone for submitting their topics and questions over at Substack. And if

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00:14:52.800 That was a very Ben Shapiro of me. All right. Okay, Sam, I want to ask you about going-

00:14:57.680 No, now you have to sell some gold, don't you? Isn't that the way we-

00:15:01.020 No, VPN? I don't know what it is. Okay. I want to ask you about the ongoing tariff negotiations

00:15:05.220 bird flu. I want to talk about Pete Buttigieg, a bit more on Bill Maher's White House dinner that

00:15:10.640 seems like it was a year ago now. I want to talk about Trump's son's latest venture and more,

00:15:15.120 but before I want to get into, have you seen how Vietnam has responded to the 46% tariff that

00:15:22.000 Trump hit them with? Yeah. Again, this is, who knows what's going to happen in the end, but their

00:15:27.900 immediate response was to invite Starlink to give them their country's internet coverage and to

00:15:37.100 green light a, I think it was a $1.5 billion development deal. Correct. You've been making

00:15:42.160 this exact joke. Like Trump will do anything as long as he gets a resort there. And now- Yeah,

00:15:46.800 I mean, it's so, this should be the only story. I mean, there's a thousand things,

00:15:51.280 any one of which should be the only story. I mean, everything should stop. The whole machine

00:15:56.380 should stop on this point, right? We have a president who is using U.S. foreign policy,

00:16:03.900 right? I mean, and he's putting a stick in the wheel of the entire global economy, right? He's

00:16:09.520 using U.S. foreign policy to negotiate deals that are explicitly advantageous to his family and his

00:16:18.320 friends. How is this remotely acceptable to anyone, left or right? I just don't, I don't understand it.

00:16:24.300 I don't understand how anyone with a reputation to preserve in the Republican party isn't aghast at

00:16:30.560 this behavior. Because again, it's all in plain view. The only problem, which Steve Bannon brilliantly

00:16:37.420 realized years ago, is that there's so much of it that nobody knows how to respond, right? You just

00:16:44.120 flood the zone with shit and you win because no one can keep all of these awful things in view 1.00

00:16:50.680 simultaneously. But I mean, this one thing alone, a $1.5 billion Trump organization deal in Vietnam 1.00

00:16:57.940 being greenlit as a way of reducing the tariff burden that our country is imposing on that

00:17:04.760 country, that's completely insane. It's beyond, I mean, forget conflicts of interest. This is just

00:17:10.600 pure corruption. This is pure bachshish. 1.00

00:17:14.180 But it's not that one thing alone. Eric and Don Jr. are aggressively expanding international

00:17:17.680 business deals, especially in the Middle East and Europe, using the Trump brand for real estate,

00:17:22.360 crypto ventures, and a new $500,000 membership club in DC.

00:17:26.260 Yeah, they opened this with David Sachs, right? Nothing corrupt about this. Pay 500 grand to hang

00:17:31.760 out with Trump and his sons.

00:17:34.520 We have you on the waiting list, unfortunately.

00:17:36.140 Yeah, yeah.

00:17:37.620 The thing that's endlessly mystifying is how no one cares, right? And caring, apparently there's nothing to

00:17:45.540 do even if you do care, right? It's like, where is Congress? Where are the courts in this? I just,

00:17:50.880 clearly we don't have the laws we need that would be automatically triggered by these reports because

00:17:57.840 it's just, people should be going to jail for this, right? I mean, this is just like, this is not,

00:18:02.440 this is not normal. And if it's only, if the fact that it's not normal was only guaranteed by norms

00:18:08.720 rather than laws in the past, we need new laws. Whatever normal president we get someday, 0.76

00:18:14.980 that person's job is going to be to do a post-mortem on this period of American history

00:18:19.600 and try to figure out how we can never have this happen again.

00:18:25.060 Is this what you had in mind when you said you didn't care what was on Hunter Biden's laptop?

00:18:29.480 Exactly. I still don't care what was on the laptop. I still haven't heard anything that was

00:18:36.440 important on that laptop, right? Like if that laptop was really as significant as-

00:18:41.140 It wasn't anything we just talked about. None of that's there.

00:18:43.460 Was there anything on there that we should care about, right? It's unbelievable. I mean,

00:18:47.520 we're talking about a Republican party that thought we should care about John Podesta's emails about

00:18:54.000 pizza orders, right? Because they were code for, you know, pedophile rape, right? Like this is 0.99

00:18:59.460 the fever dream. This period of American history has been subsumed by. We quite literally have the

00:19:06.100 people who gave us Pizzagate waltzing into the Oval Office and helping the president decide policy.

00:19:12.740 It's unbelievable, right? And it's, so I don't see how, I mean, the Bill Ackmans of the world and the,

00:19:17.440 you know, the Ken Griffins and the serious people who just thought they were going to get lower taxes

00:19:21.460 and de-wokify the Ivy League. I just don't see how they're not keeping track of this and

00:19:27.260 recognizing the magnitude of their error. Yeah. Well, I mean, there is something wrong

00:19:31.760 in the psychology because it does, I don't know why it feels gross when Hunter Biden does it. It

00:19:36.380 feels like it's hidden in secret and the Trumps, they're just doing it right out in front of you.

00:19:40.620 And it, it doesn't feel as bad, even though it's just much worse. There's just something that

00:19:45.880 doesn't feel dirty about it. Yeah. I mean, this is a, it's a moral illusion that,

00:19:51.320 I don't think we completely understand, but it's something we have to figure out how to correct

00:19:56.200 for. I mean, I agree. I, I perceive it as well. I mean, there's something, this is not just our

00:20:01.000 experience. I mean, this is kind of a famous, you know, artifact of fascism and authoritarianism

00:20:06.760 generally. I mean, there are many of these figures appear comical until it's far too late,

00:20:12.640 right? I mean, this was true of Hitler. This was true of, you know, you know, every degree of this. 0.89

00:20:16.380 Hitler's obviously the extreme case, but, you know, Berlusconi, I mean, lots of these people who

00:20:21.900 erode the democratic norms of their society to one or another degree. And in some cases, fatally,

00:20:28.340 you know, Chavez in Venezuela, they are comical figures a lot of the time. Right. And let's put

00:20:36.120 this in the, in the file of the marks that we're entertaining ourselves to death.

00:20:44.540 I want to pick up on Bill Maher's white house dinner. I know it already feels like it happened

00:20:49.000 a long time ago, but I do think his intention should matter here. And even if he found himself

00:20:53.740 in an unwinnable situation, when we last discussed it, I don't think we gave him enough credit for

00:20:58.100 pushing back on Trump. Whatever concerns I think we may have had seem to potentially have been

00:21:03.880 unwarranted given the way he's been speaking on his recent episodes. I don't know if you had any

00:21:07.580 updated thoughts here you wanted to share on that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's actually something

00:21:11.540 I regret. I mean, first, let me say, I've been spending a lot of time criticizing friends and

00:21:17.440 former friends and a few people who are now enemies, kind of official enemies like Elon. I mean,

00:21:23.220 so it's, and in some cases I've been criticizing them as a group, right? I mean, I've been bouncing

00:21:31.300 between talking about Rogan and Lex Friedman and people I haven't met, other podcasters I haven't

00:21:36.700 met, Andrew Schultz, right? I mean, so Dave Smith. And when I'm stringing a lot of people together

00:21:42.880 like that in a sentence, it can seem like I'm criticizing them all to precisely the same degree

00:21:48.220 and for precisely the same thing. And that's just not true. I mean, Lex got very pissed off that I

00:21:53.120 seemed to criticize him in the exact same vein as I was criticizing Rogan. I was talking about Rogan

00:22:00.700 not doing his homework and he doesn't know that he's talking to a Holocaust denier or a revisionist

00:22:05.540 when he's talking to Daryl Cooper, who's recycling David Irving. But obviously, you know, Lex does a

00:22:11.260 tremendous amount of homework for his interviews. And so, and he pushed back, I believe on X around

00:22:15.980 that. I got to say, I think I've been a little sloppy here and it's in part just because it's just

00:22:25.220 impossible to be speaking in footnoted sentences endlessly. But with Bill, I think I was quite

00:22:32.740 sloppy not to acknowledge that, you know, in his post-mortem on that dinner, he made it very clear

00:22:38.900 that he, to use his term, spoke truth to power, right? He said many uncomfortable things to Donald

00:22:44.720 Trump's face. And that was part of what that errand was about in his view. I think that's great.

00:22:50.400 Again, I understand how tempting it was for him to go to that dinner. I mean, it seems,

00:22:55.340 you know, speaking truth to power aside, it seems just unambiguously good to try to build bridges

00:23:01.420 between the, you know, to cross the divide in this country, right? Like Bill's line, I think, was,

00:23:06.560 what are we supposed to just keep shouting at each other from 3,000 miles away or something like that?

00:23:10.720 And the answer to that, I think obviously is no, except I do think his dinner with Trump was just

00:23:18.820 doomed for all the reasons I alleged, right? In my previous criticism, right? I think it was,

00:23:24.640 I think it was probably possible to know in advance, but it's understandable that it wasn't

00:23:28.200 obvious in advance. I just think there's no way to come away from that dinner. There's no lesson to

00:23:33.980 be drawn from a private experience with Donald Trump, you know, however charismatic, however

00:23:40.820 discordant it is with his public persona or however concordant it would be. I mean, there's just no,

00:23:46.600 there's no variant of it, which sheds any light on the actual harm he's doing in the world. I mean,

00:23:52.320 those harms are what they are. They require their reaction, you know, as Bill knows, you know,

00:23:57.680 as he has demonstrated, he'll continue to react to those harms. So I just think the, the having had

00:24:03.860 this experience with Trump in private and reporting on it was just bound to be confusing to his audience.

00:24:11.520 It was bound to be controversial in a way that I think was just not helpful to Bill's job or to

00:24:17.440 really too much of anything. So, I mean, I stand by what I said there, especially because the one

00:24:23.040 thing that was, was really confusing about it is that it just, it's not clear ethically to me,

00:24:28.600 which is worse. I mean, if Trump is just as much of a maniac behind closed doors, or if he's actually

00:24:34.340 a normal and completely, you know, genial and orderly and rational guy behind closed doors,

00:24:41.140 it was not clear to me. I don't, I don't know that it was clear to Bill, which of those is worse. I

00:24:45.260 mean, to be able to just perform like this psychopath in public, or to actually just be 0.89

00:24:49.740 the psychopath who's helplessly being one in public, or to be such a psychopath that you can 0.82

00:24:54.180 perform like a perfectly normal person in private, right? And yet be the psychopath you really are in 0.94

00:24:59.720 public. I just, like any version of this is evil in my view, or at least adjacent to evil. So it was 0.71

00:25:07.480 just bound to be a mystifying communication for Bill's audience. And so I, and I, so I'm not

00:25:13.340 surprised by the reception, but I just don't think I, the big miss for me was, you know, as a friend of

00:25:19.420 Bill's, it was just a mistake for me not to emphasize the good parts of what he attempted to do

00:25:25.760 there, which, you know, which you pointed out. Well, that apology and acknowledgement might throw

00:25:31.060 off this next question a bit, but you get criticism from time to time from some who claim you never

00:25:35.980 admit when you're wrong. But here's another thing I think you got wrong. Before the election, you

00:25:42.120 predicted that if we got Trump for four more years, we'd get even more wokeness, but we didn't.

00:25:48.340 Almost immediately after he was elected, it felt like the wokeness took its last breath.

00:25:53.460 Sam, what do you have to say for yourself?

00:26:23.460 Sam, what do you have to say for your segu blog?

00:26:27.480 Kok 0.83

00:26:30.240 sam, what do you have to say for you?

00:26:32.020 workers

00:26:33.900 Will the

Making Sense - Sam Harris - May 06, 2025

#413 — “More From Sam”： Trump & Israel, Corruption, Free Speech Violations, the Democrats, & Ezra Klein

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