Mark Slapinski - November 09, 2025


BETRAYAL: Is This The End Of Poilievre?

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The Conservative Party faces a complete mutiny. Is this the end of Pierre Polyev? Let's take a look at that, and see if there are more floor crossers within the party. Today's panelists: - Political analyst Sharon Carr - Former Deputy Chief of Staff to former Finance Minister Bill Morneau - Laura D'Angelo - Executive Director of Media Relations, Sebastian Skamski - And Jason Kenney's former chief of staff, Jamie Ellerton

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00:00:00.000 Dear Patriots, today we have a serious issue, a life-threatening issue. We have traitors that
00:00:05.860 are in the midst. The Conservative Party faces a complete mutiny. Is this the end of Pierre
00:00:10.660 Polyev? Let's take a look at that. Interestingly, Don Tremont also suggested that there could be
00:00:16.600 more floor crossers following suit. And you got to remember, Pierre Polyev is facing a leadership 1.00
00:00:21.420 review in January. So much for the front bench to talk about tonight. So needless to say,
00:00:25.360 this is not good. And the video gets worse as it goes along. Sharon Carr is a CTV News political
00:00:31.020 analyst. She's former Deputy Chief of Staff to former Finance Minister Bill Morneau.
00:00:35.060 Laura D'Angelo is with Enterprise Canada and previously worked in Prime Minister Justin
00:00:38.680 Trudeau's office. Jamie Ellerton is the Principal at Canaptis and worked for Minister Jason Kenney
00:00:43.340 during the Harper government. And rounding us out this evening, Sebastian Skamski was former
00:00:46.980 Director of Media Relations to Conservative leader Pierre Polyev. Hello, everyone. Happy floor crosser 1.00
00:00:52.760 Wednesday. Laura, I'll start with you. In your view, how big of a deal is this one?
00:00:57.560 I think this is a pretty big deal for Pierre Polyev, who's facing the leadership review in January,
00:01:01.860 right? I think this is a pretty direct reflection of his leadership style, as Chris Donchema has said
00:01:07.520 himself, that he didn't like that leadership style. I think this coming on the heels of Pierre Polyev's
00:01:14.160 comments about the RCMP, which put a lot of people off, and as you and I talked about on radio
00:01:18.760 earlier today, doesn't really help the party get to where they want to go. I think that this is a big
00:01:24.680 deal for him. It's going to be a much bigger deal if more members cross the floor, and if the news
00:01:30.000 cycle continues to be what it was today, which is names flying around that sound pretty credible to
00:01:35.340 be considering leaving his party.
00:01:37.060 Two of those names, Sebastian, I'll throw over to you. My instinct is that your feelings on this are
00:01:42.540 quite precise. Two of those names, Matt Jenneru from Edmonton, and Dominic, why is the last name
00:01:50.860 escaping me at the moment, but she's a Quebec MP. She put out a video. Matt Jenneru put out a statement.
00:01:55.980 It's not me. It's not me. Yeah, pardon me, Dominic. Sebastian, what is going on here,
00:02:02.420 and how big of a deal is it from where you sit? I think it's important to remind your viewers
00:02:08.320 that Mr. Dontremont made this decision driven by his professional self-interest. It's expected
00:02:16.560 seemingly from politicians that they will put themselves first, but it is unfortunate when it
00:02:21.500 happens in such a blatant way. Mr. Dontremont, in speaking with Politico, who broke this story,
00:02:27.540 was clear that this was simply about the fact that he was unable to become elected deputy speaker,
00:02:34.280 and he even mused about his desire to have a better likelihood in the upcoming election.
00:02:40.820 So I think it's important to put in that context and understand that, unfortunately, this is something
00:02:48.280 that he, a conclusion he came to just a month and a half ago, having attacked the liberal government
00:02:55.160 and Prime Minister Carney, ironically enough, about the size of his deficit spending and the negative
00:03:01.680 impact it has on the constituents in his riding. So it's a betrayal, really, of the Canadians and the
00:03:07.860 constituents who voted and elected him to stand up to the government to fight for lower prices on
00:03:16.500 food, lower prices of homes, and affordability in general.
00:03:21.540 Now it's a nice way of saying that Chris Dontremont, the conservative MP that crossed the aisle,
00:03:26.300 is a traitor, just like Doug Ford. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing. Conservatives were so close, 0.96
00:03:33.040 they were so close to victory, and then the snake came along and stabbed them all in the back.
00:03:37.940 Before we go any further, I want to remind you all I'm being censored. So if you see this part of
00:03:41.900 the video, let me know in the comment section, give me a quick like and subscribe. Thanks.
00:03:46.240 On principle, I 100% understand that viewpoint, Sharon. Politically, what do you think it says?
00:03:53.760 I think it says everything about peer polyev and it says nothing about loyalty to a party. Listen,
00:03:59.900 this is not the first time we've talked about it. This is not the first time I've heard about it.
00:04:04.500 And it's also not the first time it's happened before. We see floor crossings happen. It's not
00:04:08.660 something that happens too frequently, but it does happen. And I do think that this is purely an
00:04:13.000 indication of how people within the party feel about peer polyev. Now, he's an excellent
00:04:17.920 communicator, but he's polarizing. Like Laura said, his comments about the RCMP really struck
00:04:22.640 a chord with a lot of people within the party. And you know, there's been names that have been
00:04:26.280 floating around for weeks now. We talked a bit about this a few weeks ago when there were
00:04:30.220 speculations originally about a floor crossing. And I think, again, this has a lot to do with how
00:04:34.760 people are feeling, who their representative is, who their leader is. And all politics to a certain
00:04:39.420 extent is a local. So of course, you're going to get people in writings who will have mixed opinions
00:04:44.260 about whether or not someone they voted from, from a specific party crosses the floor. But also a lot
00:04:49.320 of people just want a good elected official who has principles and values. And I think that's what
00:04:54.340 we're seeing here. Listen, we're probably going to hear more names popping around. I'm not surprised
00:04:58.220 by the names we've seen. People like Matt Jenneru are actually very reasonable, centrist type of
00:05:04.040 conservatives. Some, there's a lot of conservatives that I talked to, and he's someone that I actually
00:05:07.900 find to be very reasonable, very thoughtful, and actually just generally a good person and a good
00:05:12.800 representative. So I'm hearing a lot of talk in Ottawa that there is going to be more crossings
00:05:18.400 that are, I mean, I know we saw this statement that came out earlier today from his office. But
00:05:23.080 what I would say is that I think that we're going to see more coming up in the next couple days,
00:05:27.540 couple weeks. And a lot of it is even kind of clear if you look at what's happening internally in
00:05:31.840 the Conservative Party. Word on the street is there was a lot of hustle and bustle around what was
00:05:36.520 happening in the opposition leader's office last night around strategy. So to be determined.
00:05:40.780 Now, clearly, this is bad news. All the Liberal Party needs is two more people to cross the aisle,
00:05:46.620 and then we're going to be stuck with a Liberal majority for the next three years. Needless to
00:05:50.480 say, I'm very disappointed in this MP, and to anyone else that dares consider crossing the aisle.
00:05:56.260 These people are traitors, not only to their constituents, but to the people of Canada.
00:06:01.040 And I'll have more to say on that later in the video.
00:06:02.720 So, yeah, let's talk about that a little bit. How significant do you think it is for the party
00:06:07.900 if it stays at this one individual, Jamie, versus if there are others? And what do you imagine is
00:06:14.540 happening behind the scenes to ensure that it does just stay with Chris Dantremont?
00:06:18.840 Yeah, undeniably, actually, this is obviously incredibly disruptive. There's a lot of people
00:06:22.380 who feel a really personal sense of betrayal. But I think the more you hear Conservatives kind of
00:06:26.860 railing against him now in the coming weeks, all it's going to do is feed oxygen into the story
00:06:31.020 and remind Canadians that a Conservative MP cross the floor and join the Liberals. And I don't think
00:06:35.360 that's helpful to the Conservative cause right now. I think if you're Pierre Poliev meeting with your
00:06:40.160 senior strategy group, I think you need to, one, obviously go back and do your homework and look
00:06:44.520 at every member of caucus, reach out to them, have those points of contact, who's in their good
00:06:48.540 books, who are they more likely to take overtures from, and make sure that this isn't actually going
00:06:52.780 to become a trend, because then it truly becomes an existential problem, I think, for Pierre's
00:06:56.060 leadership. If it's one, I really don't think it's going to have that big of an impact.
00:06:59.080 But the other piece, instead of talking about the deficit today, instead of debating the future
00:07:03.040 of the country and the country's finances, we're talking about a floor crosser. And so 1.00
00:07:06.680 Pierre Poliev is going to have to somehow find a channel changer to really turn the page on this
00:07:10.940 quickly and get back to holding the government to account so that he can be back on his front foot
00:07:14.660 rather than back on his heels. Like I said earlier, this MP, he's a real snake. Canadians, 0.91
00:07:19.820 Conservatives were so close, so close to turning things around. But this fool, this jerk, 1.00
00:07:25.520 this Judas figure had to make everything about himself. And why did he do it? I have some 1.00
00:07:31.520 theories that the mainstream media won't tell you. So stick around to the end of the video.
00:07:35.400 Do you think that's true, Laura? If Pierre Poliev wants to change the story and not have it be about
00:07:40.240 his leadership and the flaws there, I think he does have to change the channel. Because right now,
00:07:44.920 it's been a pretty great news, almost 48 hours now for the Liberals. And hopefully that continues.
00:07:51.360 You look glowing. I am glowing. This is great.
00:07:53.740 As opposed to other weeks. Yeah. It's been 25 hours. It was 4 p.m. when it broke yesterday. It is now 5.30.
00:07:59.520 Yeah, you're right. You're right. Fair enough. Good correction. Good correction.
00:08:02.680 Sebastian, the last word goes to you. Because you had talked in principle. And like I said,
00:08:07.060 I totally understand that view. I think some of his constituents, if not many, will share it.
00:08:12.080 But from a political perspective, you had a front row seat to like how parties maneuver around
00:08:17.520 various crises, around issues. Like, what will you be watching for in the next little while to see
00:08:23.980 how this one is navigated? Well, I think we saw an incredible rallying of support around
00:08:29.320 Mr. Poliev from caucus members today. People like Michael Chong, Michael Barrett, and really everyone
00:08:37.500 in between on the spectrum. So again, I think this is really, and unfortunately, an isolated incident
00:08:43.100 with Mr. D'Entremont, who will have a lot of time to think this through and understand that
00:08:50.500 this kind of betrayal of his constituents, of the values that he held for so many decades,
00:08:55.880 and especially ran under seven months ago, is really unacceptable. And I think the people of
00:09:03.020 his riding in the next election will have a say in that. Words can't describe how disappointed I am.
00:09:08.420 What a snake this guy is. Now, of course, we can only speculate as to what Chris D'Entremont's
00:09:13.080 motivations were. Maybe he was bribed. Maybe it was blackmail. Maybe he did this to save himself
00:09:19.240 and his political career. Maybe it was all three. I have some theories, and let me tell you. Let's
00:09:24.460 face it, politics is a really dirty business, and I wouldn't put anything past the crooked liberal 0.88
00:09:29.260 party. It's entirely possible that D'Entremont got an envelope in the mail with a bunch of pictures
00:09:35.120 and a bunch of links. And this envelope read, you do what we tell you to do, or else these pictures
00:09:41.020 and videos, they go public, your wife is going to leave you, your kids are going to hate you and be
00:09:46.120 ashamed of you, and you're never going to have any friends for the rest of your life. So you better
00:09:50.860 think about this really carefully. You either come with us, or you lose everything. Now, of course,
00:09:56.080 there's no evidence to back that up, and we'll never know what happened behind closed doors.
00:10:00.280 We'll never know what D'Entremont's true motivations were. However, like I said, politics is a dirty
00:10:05.480 business, and I wouldn't put anything, anything past Mark Carney and co. What's more likely is
00:10:11.320 that D'Entremont was crushing the numbers, and he realized that if there was a new election, he might
00:10:15.720 not win. And he did this to save his own skin, sort of like they indicated in the video. However,
00:10:21.900 you'll never really know what happens behind closed doors, and how much money he may or may not have
00:10:26.520 gotten, or what kind of threats were levied against him. Hell has a special place for traders, 0.95
00:10:31.240 and hell has lots of room for people like Doug Ford and Chris D'Entremont. God knows what both
00:10:37.280 these men have done, and we'll judge them accordingly. However, I still remain optimistic,
00:10:41.940 and let me tell you why. Yes, we had one MP cross the floor, one trader. However, he's receiving a lot
00:10:48.340 of backlash for this, and it's going to discourage other MPs from doing the same. Chris D'Entremont was
00:10:54.720 so scared and so hurt by the backlash, he actually locked his ex account. So I think other MPs are
00:11:01.220 going to think twice about doing the same thing. I still maintain at least some hope that the budget
00:11:05.920 will be defeated, and we'll have a Christmas election. Then, if there's a Christmas election,
00:11:10.220 we'll get a Polyev supermajority. I'm not 100% confident that's going to happen, but I do have 1.00
00:11:15.620 faith that sooner rather than later, we're going to get Polyev into office. We just have to hang in
00:11:20.720 there. Have a bit of faith. Have a bit of patience. Good things are going to happen. We're going to win,
00:11:25.920 and we're going to win big. Talk to you tomorrow, Patriots.