CBC Drops NUCLEAR BOMB On Mark Carney
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After saying last month it would remove all counter tariffs on U.S. goods covered under Kuzma, new reporting from the CBC has found out that the Liberal government quietly dropped more of those tariffs than advertised. And they never actually told the public about it.
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oh boy mark carney is having the worst week of his entire life first the cbc turned on him then ctv
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turned on him now cbc is back with another report that is going to ruin his political career let's
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watch it together well after saying last month it would remove all counter tariffs on us goods
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covered under kuzma new reporting from the cbc has found out that the liberal government quietly
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dropped more of those tariffs than advertised stop for a second i honestly feel like i'm
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hallucinating right now unless someone slipped some acid in my tea earlier it seems like the cbc
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is calling out carney for the liar the fraud the con man that he is but continue watching because
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carney's going to be done the cbc's kate mckenna broke the story and she joins me now so kate
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walk us through what you found out here well david we all remember last month when mark carney
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announced that the government was going to be dropping some retaliatory tariffs in order to
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a kind of push ahead with trade negotiations with the united states so at the time the prime minister
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said that he was essentially going to be matching what the united states was doing to us which is to
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say counter tariffs were going to be dropped on kuzma compliant goods right um so goods that were
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compliant with the existing free trade agreement uh implying that if a good wasn't compliant with kuzma
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then it would be tariff take a listen to what he said at the time the canadian government will now
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match we will now match the united states by removing all of canada's tariffs on u.s goods
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specifically covered under kuzma now almost a month later we've learned that's actually not what
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happened canada has removed all counter tariffs regardless of whether a good was kuzma compliant
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except for of course the sectoral tariffs on steel aluminum and auto and they never actually
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communicated that to the public we found it by reading an order in council which was never
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publicized and required me to ask a number of questions from the government so this was not
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something that they ever told the public now wait a second are we watching the same video
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because i find it awfully strange that it's cbc that's giving carney the death blow now there might
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be good reasons for why the government did it i spoke with a couple of trade lawyers who told me that it
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would have been extremely costly uh to enforce it would have required hiring more people at the
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border uh the amount of money that that revenue that was generated probably would have been almost
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negligible uh because most goods if you do the paperwork uh are kuzma compliant right so so one trade
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lawyer i spoke with said you know this was admirable bureaucratic restraint however it's not what the
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government said that they were doing uh it's it's not what mark carney said he was going to do and
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the reality of it is they implied that canada and the us were doing the same things to each other and
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in reality that's not actually what happened so we heard from pierre polyev today he posted on social
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media uh saying this is another elbows down uh lie uh now in a statement the finance minister's office
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says they do what they do because they want to adapt their trade policy uh both to get a new deal
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done and also to help canadians uh the best that they can right that was the argument though for
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dropping the kuzma compliant tariffs like there's been no broader explanation on the balance there
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right because he says matching but it's 25 percent of steel aluminum versus 50 percent but the the
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explanation for why they dropped the non-kuzma compliant goods from tariffs is just to advance trade
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am i understanding that right yeah that's absolutely right they they told me on uh they told me that
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it's true what we're reporting but they they didn't go into detail as to why in their response
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to me well of course they didn't have an explanation and here's why they were caught red-handed being
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duplicitous they were caught red-handed saying things and then doing the exact opposite remember
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karani said he was going to be tough on trump he was going to stand up to trump and look what happened
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he folded like a cheap tent but just wait this video gets even worse power panel joins me now to
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talk about all of this shachi curl is the president of the angus reed institute rachel siegel is a
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former director of policy in the stephen harper government andrew thompson is a former saskatchewan
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ndp cabinet minister and here with me in the studio michelle cadario who was the deputy chief of
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staff to former prime minister paul martin uh andrew as a former finance minister let's start with you
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uh what do you make of this move because uh this is not matching this is different uh what do you make of
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the fact that we found out from kate mckenna and not from mark carney yeah well this is pretty
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good investigative reporting and exactly the kind of thing that finance ministers hate
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you speak from experience yes good word kate yeah it does i think beg the question why the government
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wasn't more transparent about this it's not like it wasn't going to get found out it's not like it's
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not even i mean it's defensible so why not just put forward the argument at the time these are the kind of
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things that erode the trust in government over time and i think are are really unnecessary but oh my
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a former ndp politician a far-left politician admitted on cbc on live television that mark carney
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violated canadians trust think about that for a second and just wait because it gets even worse
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after this but it does speak to a little bit of the problem that the government has and frankly
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opposition uh in defining exactly where this tariff thing is going to go i mean how uh much are canadians
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prepared to actually sacrifice on the price of groceries or other goods uh to have these so-called
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elbows up which i think it's kind of getting to be a tired and trite uh commentary but you know to
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what extent uh are they prepared to accept that pain and to what extent do they want just a more
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pragmatic path which is let's find a way to you know get over this you know rachel i wonder about
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this because you know as andrew says maybe there is a defensible reason for this like if it costs more
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to administer then you're going to collect and it's going to hurt canadians and what is the point
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but here now they've got a position a situation where pierre polyev is quoting his favorite news
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source the cbc and and accusing them of a lie what do you make of the way this is going
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well i think that the bigger problem for why they didn't talk about this is just the history behind
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it i mean mark carney a few months ago came out and told canadians that his ballot question was who's
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going to be better to go after donald trump and make the best deal for canada what he has done ever
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since then has taken a sharp turn on almost everything that he has done in relation to
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those tariffs and you have to remember this is a guy that said donald trump wants to break us
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so that we he can own us like we were talking about canada being the 51st state and now we're
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seeing that the prime minister isn't even telling canadians when he's making uh big adjustments to
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the tariffs so um it's a problem when it comes to uh trust amongst canadians and it's a problem like
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uh he said of when we think about what the outcome will be and whether or not we will actually get a
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good deal for canada 100 percent mark carney used fear tactics during the election he scared canadians
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or at least liberals he made them fear donald trump he told him that trump is going to bulldoze us he
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said that trump is going to annex us and secretly he never believed a word of that such a sneaky sneaky
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sneaky duplicitous evil man right but you know things haven't been static since the election
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right it was donald trump was talking about canada being the 51st state right and you know so like
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that has gone away as an issue but you know michelle i just wonder from a basic communications
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and transparency perspective i mean the prime minister was clear we're matching this is going
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beyond that like if there's a good reason for it just just say it instead of this right i don't
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understand it's an own goal on really you know um there is a justifiable reason so that because we
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all know tariffs canadians actually pay the tariffs that we're imposing on the on duties coming in and
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if you want to lower the lower costs taking some of those tariffs off is is a way to do that i don't
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uh you know it's uh curious that uh pierre paulia wants to have higher costs and and and keep the
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tariffs but fine enough he can have his own position um and i you know this is a prolonged uh uh discussion
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in terms of where we're going on the trade situation i think canadians completely understand that uh
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dealing with donald trump and getting any deal is not worth it um that we want to have a good deal and
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one in favor of canada and i think along the way um you know the government is is reducing those
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the small number of tariffs as they probably should that doesn't take away from the fact that they
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should have been up front about it there was no reason not to um and i don't know if it was just
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sloppiness or laziness or anything like that um or it just got missed but uh you know i think that uh
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this is a lesson that you know is probably not that detrimental politically but they've got to learn
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and do it better um and uh just be transparent now to be frank i don't know who this woman is but
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she's a complete moron this wasn't a small misstep no no no this wasn't like mark carney was late for
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a business meeting mark carney holds the highest office in this whole country and he lied to his
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constituents he lied to his voters he lied to canadians canadians can now never trust him again
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and even cbc is admitting it maybe she won't but cbc will and i will too yeah and for people at home
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who don't know what orders and counsel are these are these are decisions made by the cabinet they do
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get published so this was published on a government website but shachi uh not publicized uh you know to
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to build on on kate's point like trade policy announcements typically are when it when it's
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something like this look i i know the election was about sovereignty and trade sort of coupled
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together the sovereignty thing has dropped off the trade issue is still front and center this
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these adapt to this adaptation evolution in positions i mean what's the appetite for canadians
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on this i mean rachel is very critical of this season as a flip-flop what's your assessment of where
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the public is on something like this well i think first of all what in politics as we all know
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sometimes transparency how much transparency to to provide and when is hobson's choice you either
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take it on the chin now or you take it on the chin later in this case with today's revelations and and
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kate's really fine reporting it looks like the carny government is going to take it on the chin twice
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for reasons i think they were hoping to avoid but are not going to avoid we know why you know if there
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was a motivation to do this on purpose to to whisper the the other part quietly instead of say it out
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loud it had to do with the fact that we've already started to see confidence and approval in mark
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carney himself as prime minister start to slide that happened right after those retaliatory tariffs and
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now these all the tariffs were dropped now we know uh we've seen a two-point lead now for the
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conservatives hold on wait up a second did cbc just admit that pure polyev is ahead in the polls
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when i said polyev was ahead in the polls nobody believed me but now cbc is saying the same thing i
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was a few weeks ago carney is done holding now in in in parlance that is a statistical tie but
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emotionally morally the conservatives will take that the liberals don't want to see that and in terms
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of confidence in getting a deal done that has also really started to decline all of that's
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happened since august when those retaliatory tariffs were dropped there is an argument to say look
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we should have said everything out loud at the time you know take the hit but if there is and i
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presume there is a greater strategy here around dropping those tariffs the why like why are you doing
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it then there is an absolute gap in explaining the why behind it to canadians at this stage they haven't
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abandoned the prime minister or this government yet in terms of strategy but they're starting to say
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huh this doesn't really meet up with what we heard you say uh what he needs to do as he did with uh
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setting the table on zero tariffs for example he he made the case over the summer to say there may be a
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world where we there's always going to be tariffs he can also make the choice to come out and say look
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the reason i'm doing this is x and y it makes sense there's a strategy i'm dropping tariffs like a fox
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and uh and and bear with me on this we haven't heard that part yeah well i i mean andrew there was
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sort of a a rather in-depth explanation on the day he announced that they were moving away to match
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you know the kuzma compliance with with the united states it was apparently an irritant with the u.s
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administration in their conversations uh like you i think um describing trade and geopolitical
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diplomacy and the elbow posture is a you know i i think that changed after the oval office meeting
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and a bunch of other things um but but you know is this do you think a a right move by the government
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you know or is this just a communications snafu i mean what do you make of this more broadly in
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terms of approach to dealing with the u.s because everybody in the world is dealing with tariffs and
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nobody seems to have found the secret sauce to getting donald trump to change his mind well that is
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certainly working to the prime minister's favor i think the other thing that we should recognize
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about mark carney is that there's two things that that really do work uh you know he's able to take
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advantage of one is that people do believe he's going to find a pragmatic way forward i don't think
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that they view him to be you know dogmatic or ideological uh overly and so there is a sense of
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kind of trust that what he is doing there's kind of a method to the madness in this there is a route
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forward second piece is that he has been pretty good at reading the room since he's become prime
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minister both on the domestic politics and also in terms of understanding how to stay in front of
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some of the badder economic news and i think that this is also working to his advantage so you know
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we're gonna have to watch how this plays out uh it's interesting that i think neither the uh the
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conservatives nor the opposition bloc and ndp have really managed to find a way uh to turn this into a
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political advantage for them uh canadians i think may be waiting for more information from the prime
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minister on what he's doing but i think at this point uh are prepared to give him the benefit of
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the doubt rachel uh your thoughts yeah i absolutely agree i think canadians have given him the benefit
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of the doubt and we've talked about that for months now uh the question is at what point does that trust
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degrade and it's moments like this and reporting like kate's uh that degrades that trust and whether or
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not that was a communications snafu or uh it really was planned that they tried that they changed it on
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purpose and decided not to make a public statement about it eventually canadians will wonder where are
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we going and how are we getting this done and this isn't about necessarily just the the relationship with
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the united states or uh donald trump as the president this is about the canadian economy this is about
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canadian workers and canadian businesses and people that are living their lives with this
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ambiguity and now to have the prime minister are the leader of our nation not even telling canadians
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what they are doing and being clear on potentially economic issues we've seen mark carney uh say in
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his platform that he was anticipating 20 uh billion dollars in revenue from tariffs that potentially we
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couldn't see now i think that's where this moment happens with canadians where they start
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to wonder what exactly is happening and where exactly are we going yeah the 20 billion in revenue
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would have been a 20 billion dollar tax on on canadians right like exactly you know like trump
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is bragging about the revenue and it's it's a tax on americans and it was interesting kate spoke to
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trade lawyers michelle who gave a good explanation we shouldn't have to go to a third party to get that
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explanation you know what i mean um but where what what do you make of of just sort of that analysis
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there that this is uh this is a less than honest move by the government i can't believe i'm hearing
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this a cbc host just called mark carney his puppet master dishonest on live television the mutiny has
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begun the end is nigh carney is done but just wait i'll have more to say later but while we're here if
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consider becoming a member all right let's go back to the clip well so i would say two things we have
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to remember that there was there's not that much in our trade relationship that's actually was tariffed
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at all right it is still 85 free trade between our two countries um and taking off the kuzma ones
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made a lot of sense um there remains huge issues in in certain industries and um and just crippling in
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in so many cases um and you know and i'm not sure that canadians are caring so much about which
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tariff is here and there and what they disclosed in it and how it came out they care about how much
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they're they're spending they care about the price of uh the groceries um and they also do care though
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that we're on the right path and where i what i will say is i think that the prime minister is likely
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really you know he's obviously they're trying to negotiate with the prime with the president it i
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think there's appreciation that anybody who's watched this tv and knows anything about donald trump
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knows that that would be a difficult conversation and and almost impossible to try and pin him down
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to get a good deal nobody's walking away with a good deal um but you know at the same time
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canadians do want to hear more from the prime minister about the why but they want an update
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and you know he's that's not something that he can probably talk about completely openly right when
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you're in the middle of negotiations and so it's a tough position that's why you are prime minister and
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that's you know one of the things that you have to kind of have to kind of balance at some point
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though and i don't think that it's too long down the road perhaps it's around the budget they are
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going to have to say more about the direction that they're going yeah um and be able to bring canadians
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along for if they want to kind of keep them keep that trust from eroding yeah shachi uh last word you
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and then we got to take a break yeah i would just echo what's already been said around the erosion of
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trust i mean so what has happened effectively is the carny government and his party has opened
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itself up to more criticism from pierre polyev uh on this issue his interpretation the opposition's
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interpretation of it will be the interpretation that wins the day at least in the short term at
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least in the short news cycle uh and and it's just one of those gifts that you give to the opposition
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when you really shouldn't that woman is a hundred percent right carny is done the best way
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to lose the trust of the people is to lie to them especially about something stupid like carny did
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carny essentially handed the next election to peer polyev on a silver platter
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carny's saying here have a super majority polyev think about this we're only six months into the
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mark carny government and carny's already lost the support of cbc and ctv i suspect it's only a matter
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of time before the other left-wing media organizations follow suit i hate to predict the future but i predict
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it's only going to go downhill from here my prediction is carny's never going to get a deal
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with trump immigration and crime is just going to get worse and worse until even the average person
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even the liberal voters are going to say i've had enough and i want to get rid of this guy i predict
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in the next election polyev will win a super majority and we'll have a super majority conservative
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government for at least 10 years that's what i'm seeing in my crystal ball right now we'll see whether
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i'm right or not but anyway i hope you enjoyed watching this takedown as much as i did if you
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