Mark Slapinski

00:00:00.160 oh boy mark carney is having the worst week of his entire life first the cbc turned on him then ctv

00:00:07.520 turned on him now cbc is back with another report that is going to ruin his political career let's

00:00:13.840 watch it together well after saying last month it would remove all counter tariffs on us goods

00:00:19.120 covered under kuzma new reporting from the cbc has found out that the liberal government quietly

00:00:23.680 dropped more of those tariffs than advertised stop for a second i honestly feel like i'm

00:00:29.040 hallucinating right now unless someone slipped some acid in my tea earlier it seems like the cbc

00:00:35.680 is calling out carney for the liar the fraud the con man that he is but continue watching because

00:00:41.760 carney's going to be done the cbc's kate mckenna broke the story and she joins me now so kate

00:00:47.680 walk us through what you found out here well david we all remember last month when mark carney

00:00:52.800 announced that the government was going to be dropping some retaliatory tariffs in order to

00:00:58.560 a kind of push ahead with trade negotiations with the united states so at the time the prime minister

00:01:03.360 said that he was essentially going to be matching what the united states was doing to us which is to

00:01:07.680 say counter tariffs were going to be dropped on kuzma compliant goods right um so goods that were

00:01:13.760 compliant with the existing free trade agreement uh implying that if a good wasn't compliant with kuzma

00:01:21.200 then it would be tariff take a listen to what he said at the time the canadian government will now

00:01:26.960 match we will now match the united states by removing all of canada's tariffs on u.s goods

00:01:33.920 specifically covered under kuzma now almost a month later we've learned that's actually not what

00:01:40.800 happened canada has removed all counter tariffs regardless of whether a good was kuzma compliant

00:01:46.800 except for of course the sectoral tariffs on steel aluminum and auto and they never actually

00:01:51.680 communicated that to the public we found it by reading an order in council which was never

00:01:57.120 publicized and required me to ask a number of questions from the government so this was not

00:02:01.040 something that they ever told the public now wait a second are we watching the same video

00:02:05.280 because i find it awfully strange that it's cbc that's giving carney the death blow now there might

00:02:11.600 be good reasons for why the government did it i spoke with a couple of trade lawyers who told me that it

00:02:17.440 would have been extremely costly uh to enforce it would have required hiring more people at the

00:02:22.960 border uh the amount of money that that revenue that was generated probably would have been almost

00:02:27.760 negligible uh because most goods if you do the paperwork uh are kuzma compliant right so so one trade

00:02:35.120 lawyer i spoke with said you know this was admirable bureaucratic restraint however it's not what the

00:02:40.720 government said that they were doing uh it's it's not what mark carney said he was going to do and

00:02:44.960 the reality of it is they implied that canada and the us were doing the same things to each other and

00:02:51.760 in reality that's not actually what happened so we heard from pierre polyev today he posted on social

00:02:56.960 media uh saying this is another elbows down uh lie uh now in a statement the finance minister's office

00:03:04.400 says they do what they do because they want to adapt their trade policy uh both to get a new deal

00:03:10.640 done and also to help canadians uh the best that they can right that was the argument though for

00:03:15.520 dropping the kuzma compliant tariffs like there's been no broader explanation on the balance there

00:03:21.920 right because he says matching but it's 25 percent of steel aluminum versus 50 percent but the the

00:03:27.120 explanation for why they dropped the non-kuzma compliant goods from tariffs is just to advance trade

00:03:32.880 am i understanding that right yeah that's absolutely right they they told me on uh they told me that

00:03:37.760 it's true what we're reporting but they they didn't go into detail as to why in their response

00:03:42.320 to me well of course they didn't have an explanation and here's why they were caught red-handed being

00:03:48.080 duplicitous they were caught red-handed saying things and then doing the exact opposite remember

00:03:55.280 karani said he was going to be tough on trump he was going to stand up to trump and look what happened

00:04:00.320 he folded like a cheap tent but just wait this video gets even worse power panel joins me now to

00:04:06.000 talk about all of this shachi curl is the president of the angus reed institute rachel siegel is a

00:04:10.880 former director of policy in the stephen harper government andrew thompson is a former saskatchewan

00:04:15.440 ndp cabinet minister and here with me in the studio michelle cadario who was the deputy chief of

00:04:19.760 staff to former prime minister paul martin uh andrew as a former finance minister let's start with you

00:04:26.080 uh what do you make of this move because uh this is not matching this is different uh what do you make of

00:04:32.400 the fact that we found out from kate mckenna and not from mark carney yeah well this is pretty

00:04:37.840 good investigative reporting and exactly the kind of thing that finance ministers hate

00:04:43.760 you speak from experience yes good word kate yeah it does i think beg the question why the government

00:04:49.200 wasn't more transparent about this it's not like it wasn't going to get found out it's not like it's

00:04:53.600 not even i mean it's defensible so why not just put forward the argument at the time these are the kind of

00:04:58.240 things that erode the trust in government over time and i think are are really unnecessary but oh my

00:05:03.600 a former ndp politician a far-left politician admitted on cbc on live television that mark carney

00:05:11.120 violated canadians trust think about that for a second and just wait because it gets even worse

00:05:16.960 after this but it does speak to a little bit of the problem that the government has and frankly

00:05:21.680 opposition uh in defining exactly where this tariff thing is going to go i mean how uh much are canadians

00:05:28.240 prepared to actually sacrifice on the price of groceries or other goods uh to have these so-called

00:05:33.040 elbows up which i think it's kind of getting to be a tired and trite uh commentary but you know to

00:05:38.240 what extent uh are they prepared to accept that pain and to what extent do they want just a more

00:05:41.760 pragmatic path which is let's find a way to you know get over this you know rachel i wonder about

00:05:46.800 this because you know as andrew says maybe there is a defensible reason for this like if it costs more

00:05:51.600 to administer then you're going to collect and it's going to hurt canadians and what is the point

00:05:55.760 but here now they've got a position a situation where pierre polyev is quoting his favorite news

00:06:00.240 source the cbc and and accusing them of a lie what do you make of the way this is going

00:06:06.000 well i think that the bigger problem for why they didn't talk about this is just the history behind

00:06:11.440 it i mean mark carney a few months ago came out and told canadians that his ballot question was who's

00:06:17.360 going to be better to go after donald trump and make the best deal for canada what he has done ever

00:06:23.360 since then has taken a sharp turn on almost everything that he has done in relation to

00:06:28.560 those tariffs and you have to remember this is a guy that said donald trump wants to break us

00:06:33.280 so that we he can own us like we were talking about canada being the 51st state and now we're

00:06:39.040 seeing that the prime minister isn't even telling canadians when he's making uh big adjustments to

00:06:44.000 the tariffs so um it's a problem when it comes to uh trust amongst canadians and it's a problem like

00:06:50.880 uh he said of when we think about what the outcome will be and whether or not we will actually get a

00:06:56.720 good deal for canada 100 percent mark carney used fear tactics during the election he scared canadians

00:07:03.840 or at least liberals he made them fear donald trump he told him that trump is going to bulldoze us he

00:07:09.840 said that trump is going to annex us and secretly he never believed a word of that such a sneaky sneaky

00:07:17.600 sneaky duplicitous evil man right but you know things haven't been static since the election

00:07:24.400 right it was donald trump was talking about canada being the 51st state right and you know so like

00:07:28.960 that has gone away as an issue but you know michelle i just wonder from a basic communications

00:07:35.200 and transparency perspective i mean the prime minister was clear we're matching this is going

00:07:40.720 beyond that like if there's a good reason for it just just say it instead of this right i don't

00:07:45.440 understand it's an own goal on really you know um there is a justifiable reason so that because we

00:07:51.360 all know tariffs canadians actually pay the tariffs that we're imposing on the on duties coming in and

00:07:56.960 if you want to lower the lower costs taking some of those tariffs off is is a way to do that i don't

00:08:03.120 uh you know it's uh curious that uh pierre paulia wants to have higher costs and and and keep the

00:08:08.320 tariffs but fine enough he can have his own position um and i you know this is a prolonged uh uh discussion

00:08:16.000 in terms of where we're going on the trade situation i think canadians completely understand that uh

00:08:21.360 dealing with donald trump and getting any deal is not worth it um that we want to have a good deal and

00:08:26.240 one in favor of canada and i think along the way um you know the government is is reducing those

00:08:33.040 the small number of tariffs as they probably should that doesn't take away from the fact that they

00:08:38.240 should have been up front about it there was no reason not to um and i don't know if it was just

00:08:42.880 sloppiness or laziness or anything like that um or it just got missed but uh you know i think that uh

00:08:51.360 this is a lesson that you know is probably not that detrimental politically but they've got to learn

00:08:57.200 and do it better um and uh just be transparent now to be frank i don't know who this woman is but

00:09:03.120 she's a complete moron this wasn't a small misstep no no no this wasn't like mark carney was late for

00:09:09.920 a business meeting mark carney holds the highest office in this whole country and he lied to his

00:09:16.400 constituents he lied to his voters he lied to canadians canadians can now never trust him again

00:09:24.000 and even cbc is admitting it maybe she won't but cbc will and i will too yeah and for people at home

00:09:31.600 who don't know what orders and counsel are these are these are decisions made by the cabinet they do

00:09:36.160 get published so this was published on a government website but shachi uh not publicized uh you know to

00:09:43.440 to build on on kate's point like trade policy announcements typically are when it when it's

00:09:48.960 something like this look i i know the election was about sovereignty and trade sort of coupled

00:09:54.320 together the sovereignty thing has dropped off the trade issue is still front and center this

00:09:58.640 these adapt to this adaptation evolution in positions i mean what's the appetite for canadians

00:10:04.880 on this i mean rachel is very critical of this season as a flip-flop what's your assessment of where

00:10:09.040 the public is on something like this well i think first of all what in politics as we all know

00:10:14.080 sometimes transparency how much transparency to to provide and when is hobson's choice you either

00:10:20.080 take it on the chin now or you take it on the chin later in this case with today's revelations and and

00:10:25.680 kate's really fine reporting it looks like the carny government is going to take it on the chin twice

00:10:29.920 for reasons i think they were hoping to avoid but are not going to avoid we know why you know if there

00:10:38.000 was a motivation to do this on purpose to to whisper the the other part quietly instead of say it out

00:10:44.400 loud it had to do with the fact that we've already started to see confidence and approval in mark

00:10:50.640 carney himself as prime minister start to slide that happened right after those retaliatory tariffs and

00:10:56.160 now these all the tariffs were dropped now we know uh we've seen a two-point lead now for the

00:11:02.480 conservatives hold on wait up a second did cbc just admit that pure polyev is ahead in the polls

00:11:09.200 when i said polyev was ahead in the polls nobody believed me but now cbc is saying the same thing i

00:11:14.560 was a few weeks ago carney is done holding now in in in parlance that is a statistical tie but

00:11:21.600 emotionally morally the conservatives will take that the liberals don't want to see that and in terms

00:11:26.720 of confidence in getting a deal done that has also really started to decline all of that's

00:11:32.320 happened since august when those retaliatory tariffs were dropped there is an argument to say look

00:11:37.280 we should have said everything out loud at the time you know take the hit but if there is and i

00:11:43.200 presume there is a greater strategy here around dropping those tariffs the why like why are you doing

00:11:50.240 it then there is an absolute gap in explaining the why behind it to canadians at this stage they haven't

00:11:57.600 abandoned the prime minister or this government yet in terms of strategy but they're starting to say

00:12:03.200 huh this doesn't really meet up with what we heard you say uh what he needs to do as he did with uh

00:12:11.040 setting the table on zero tariffs for example he he made the case over the summer to say there may be a

00:12:15.840 world where we there's always going to be tariffs he can also make the choice to come out and say look

00:12:21.680 the reason i'm doing this is x and y it makes sense there's a strategy i'm dropping tariffs like a fox

00:12:28.160 and uh and and bear with me on this we haven't heard that part yeah well i i mean andrew there was

00:12:33.760 sort of a a rather in-depth explanation on the day he announced that they were moving away to match

00:12:38.560 you know the kuzma compliance with with the united states it was apparently an irritant with the u.s

00:12:43.920 administration in their conversations uh like you i think um describing trade and geopolitical

00:12:50.560 diplomacy and the elbow posture is a you know i i think that changed after the oval office meeting

00:12:56.480 and a bunch of other things um but but you know is this do you think a a right move by the government

00:13:05.040 you know or is this just a communications snafu i mean what do you make of this more broadly in

00:13:10.960 terms of approach to dealing with the u.s because everybody in the world is dealing with tariffs and

00:13:15.760 nobody seems to have found the secret sauce to getting donald trump to change his mind well that is

00:13:19.920 certainly working to the prime minister's favor i think the other thing that we should recognize

00:13:24.480 about mark carney is that there's two things that that really do work uh you know he's able to take

00:13:29.120 advantage of one is that people do believe he's going to find a pragmatic way forward i don't think

00:13:33.120 that they view him to be you know dogmatic or ideological uh overly and so there is a sense of

00:13:38.800 kind of trust that what he is doing there's kind of a method to the madness in this there is a route

00:13:43.680 forward second piece is that he has been pretty good at reading the room since he's become prime

00:13:49.200 minister both on the domestic politics and also in terms of understanding how to stay in front of

00:13:54.320 some of the badder economic news and i think that this is also working to his advantage so you know

00:13:59.840 we're gonna have to watch how this plays out uh it's interesting that i think neither the uh the

00:14:04.480 conservatives nor the opposition bloc and ndp have really managed to find a way uh to turn this into a

00:14:10.640 political advantage for them uh canadians i think may be waiting for more information from the prime

00:14:15.520 minister on what he's doing but i think at this point uh are prepared to give him the benefit of

00:14:19.120 the doubt rachel uh your thoughts yeah i absolutely agree i think canadians have given him the benefit

00:14:25.440 of the doubt and we've talked about that for months now uh the question is at what point does that trust

00:14:31.600 degrade and it's moments like this and reporting like kate's uh that degrades that trust and whether or

00:14:37.840 not that was a communications snafu or uh it really was planned that they tried that they changed it on

00:14:44.640 purpose and decided not to make a public statement about it eventually canadians will wonder where are

00:14:51.040 we going and how are we getting this done and this isn't about necessarily just the the relationship with

00:14:58.480 the united states or uh donald trump as the president this is about the canadian economy this is about

00:15:04.240 canadian workers and canadian businesses and people that are living their lives with this

00:15:08.880 ambiguity and now to have the prime minister are the leader of our nation not even telling canadians

00:15:15.440 what they are doing and being clear on potentially economic issues we've seen mark carney uh say in

00:15:21.760 his platform that he was anticipating 20 uh billion dollars in revenue from tariffs that potentially we

00:15:27.840 couldn't see now i think that's where this moment happens with canadians where they start

00:15:33.600 to wonder what exactly is happening and where exactly are we going yeah the 20 billion in revenue

00:15:38.960 would have been a 20 billion dollar tax on on canadians right like exactly you know like trump

00:15:42.800 is bragging about the revenue and it's it's a tax on americans and it was interesting kate spoke to

00:15:48.080 trade lawyers michelle who gave a good explanation we shouldn't have to go to a third party to get that

00:15:52.720 explanation you know what i mean um but where what what do you make of of just sort of that analysis

00:15:58.720 there that this is uh this is a less than honest move by the government i can't believe i'm hearing

00:16:06.000 this a cbc host just called mark carney his puppet master dishonest on live television the mutiny has

00:16:14.320 begun the end is nigh carney is done but just wait i'll have more to say later but while we're here if

00:16:21.440 you're enjoying this video don't forget to like and subscribe and if you really want to help me out

00:16:25.440 consider becoming a member all right let's go back to the clip well so i would say two things we have

00:16:30.560 to remember that there was there's not that much in our trade relationship that's actually was tariffed

00:16:35.360 at all right it is still 85 free trade between our two countries um and taking off the kuzma ones

00:16:41.600 made a lot of sense um there remains huge issues in in certain industries and um and just crippling in

00:16:48.880 in so many cases um and you know and i'm not sure that canadians are caring so much about which

00:16:54.480 tariff is here and there and what they disclosed in it and how it came out they care about how much

00:16:59.760 they're they're spending they care about the price of uh the groceries um and they also do care though

00:17:06.400 that we're on the right path and where i what i will say is i think that the prime minister is likely

00:17:11.040 really you know he's obviously they're trying to negotiate with the prime with the president it i

00:17:16.560 think there's appreciation that anybody who's watched this tv and knows anything about donald trump

00:17:22.080 knows that that would be a difficult conversation and and almost impossible to try and pin him down

00:17:26.400 to get a good deal nobody's walking away with a good deal um but you know at the same time

00:17:31.920 canadians do want to hear more from the prime minister about the why but they want an update

00:17:36.640 and you know he's that's not something that he can probably talk about completely openly right when

00:17:41.680 you're in the middle of negotiations and so it's a tough position that's why you are prime minister and

00:17:46.800 that's you know one of the things that you have to kind of have to kind of balance at some point

00:17:51.680 though and i don't think that it's too long down the road perhaps it's around the budget they are

00:17:55.840 going to have to say more about the direction that they're going yeah um and be able to bring canadians

00:18:01.280 along for if they want to kind of keep them keep that trust from eroding yeah shachi uh last word you

00:18:06.720 and then we got to take a break yeah i would just echo what's already been said around the erosion of

00:18:12.240 trust i mean so what has happened effectively is the carny government and his party has opened

00:18:19.440 itself up to more criticism from pierre polyev uh on this issue his interpretation the opposition's

00:18:26.000 interpretation of it will be the interpretation that wins the day at least in the short term at

00:18:30.960 least in the short news cycle uh and and it's just one of those gifts that you give to the opposition

00:18:36.640 when you really shouldn't that woman is a hundred percent right carny is done the best way

00:18:42.000 to lose the trust of the people is to lie to them especially about something stupid like carny did

00:18:47.760 carny essentially handed the next election to peer polyev on a silver platter

00:18:52.720 carny's saying here have a super majority polyev think about this we're only six months into the

00:18:58.880 mark carny government and carny's already lost the support of cbc and ctv i suspect it's only a matter

00:19:05.440 of time before the other left-wing media organizations follow suit i hate to predict the future but i predict

00:19:11.680 it's only going to go downhill from here my prediction is carny's never going to get a deal

00:19:15.840 with trump immigration and crime is just going to get worse and worse until even the average person

00:19:22.080 even the liberal voters are going to say i've had enough and i want to get rid of this guy i predict

00:19:27.360 in the next election polyev will win a super majority and we'll have a super majority conservative

00:19:32.240 government for at least 10 years that's what i'm seeing in my crystal ball right now we'll see whether

00:19:37.200 i'm right or not but anyway i hope you enjoyed watching this takedown as much as i did if you

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