CBC Employee REFUSED To LIE, Fired For Telling TRUTH
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A former CBC employee blew the whistle, telling Canadians just how bad CBC is. And we're here to tell you why it's time to get to the bottom of it all. We have a guest on the show to talk about his experience at CBC and why he left.
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CBC is in big trouble. This comes as a former employee blows the whistle, telling Canadians
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everything. Now we all knew CBC was bad. However, you're going to be surprised to learn just how bad
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CBC really is. This was not like a short-term thing. I was thinking I'm moving my life to Ottawa,
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right? I'm going to plant roots here. This is going to be a long-term thing.
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Um, and, and the gig was, the gig was good. The environment was, boy, oh boy, from my perspective,
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does that bureau have some major fucking issues? Okay. Let's hear, let's just hear about some of
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them. Um, well, I mean the concentration of power from my perspective in that opinion is held in
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very few hands and I'm talking very few, like three or four hands and that's problematic,
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right? I also think that there is, um, there's not, there's not oversight for management in terms of
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some of the personalities in that bureau to ensure that things are balanced in terms of
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the, the, the, the weight of what everyone, and, you know, it talks about how, how, you know, yes,
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of course, if you have a show, like that should count for a substantial amount, right? But also
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you have to take everybody's opinion into perspective, right? And I just think that there
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are certain folks in that bureau that what they say, like, it's like the word of God.
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Okay. So what, to crystallize what you're saying, power was in a hand, in the hands of a
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disproportionate few, very few people. Um, those people, when it came to the political coverage
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of the network and that's very important for the public broadcaster, right? Like, I mean,
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yeah, I mean, is there George Stephanopoulos, does he have some say on ABC news in terms of like what
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the political coverage is for sure? Like at CTV at global? Yes, absolutely. However, and this is kind
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of one of the cores that we're going to go back to, uh, those are private entities. This is a public
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institution. And so you need to make sure that you have balance when it comes to the political
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coverage, especially, I mean, everything, but political coverage is key. And so when you have
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this concentration of power, um, I, I, I didn't think that that was happening all the, all the time
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in terms of my perspective on things. And those few people, um, made life very difficult for many
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people. Yeah. The knives were out for me when I, when I, when I, I came there. Um, and I'll say this,
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that there are, there are a number of people in that bureau and they know who they are that were
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fantastic to me, right. That actually were wonderful and very friendly to me, but I did feel
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very isolated because, you know, uh, the folks that, uh, kind of ran the place weren't happy that I was
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there. They're like, who is this kid coming in from my perspective is who is this kid coming in from
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Toronto. Um, I was supposed to backfill on the major political show that didn't happen until I
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actually left Ottawa and came back to Toronto for marketplace. Uh, uh, and then I filled in, but
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like, yeah, no, it was, it was a, it was a hostile environment that is to be sure. Now you can tell by
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watching this, that Don Raj is simply furious at the way he was treated by his former employer.
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I also want to point out that there's a baseball bat and a broken TV in this podcast,
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a nice touch. Don Raj is going to be the one that brings down CBC and I'm all here for it.
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Now just wait. The best part hasn't even come yet. And there were several incidents where like
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that happened. And we're going to talk about one of those incidents, um, because we came with receipts.
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Um, yeah. So I mean, that's the thing as well about all of this. Can I just say like I'm a trained
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investigative journalist on marketplace. I did undercover hidden camera investigations.
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Like I'm not going to say something if I don't have the fucking receipts to back it up.
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Right. So yeah, we do. Okay. We're just going to quit. We're going to stick to this topic and move
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on. We're going to stick to workplace culture and toxicity. Uh, so tell us about one instance that
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sticks out in your mind and we, we've got something to play to show it.
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Yeah. So this was, I, I had left Ottawa at that point. Uh, I was back in Toronto. I was doing
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marketplace. I was doing some stuff on the national. Uh, and you know, sometimes they'll call
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you and they'll say, this has happened. Uh, something happened in Newfoundland. You guys
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probably all remember the Titan, uh, implosion. So they call me, they're like, you need to get on a
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flight and go to St. John's. I had a friend's funeral in Calgary. Like a very dear friend of
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mine had passed away from a brain tumor. And I, because like I was married to work, I didn't go.
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And this is a huge regret of mine. I didn't go to that funeral. I went on the assignment.
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And so anyway, I'm, I'm there, things are going fine. Um, but the toxicity from Ottawa followed me
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all the way to Newfoundland, right? Because there was a certain level of, um, one particular host
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wanting a lot of say in terms of the, the, you know, how the story and the show and guests and
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all that stuff. And there was one guest that, um, I had on that another host wanted to have on their
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program. And, uh, and like it was on the program. This guy was doing interviews with everybody,
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right? And this is kind of just like a guy who knew somebody who was on the sub. So I did like
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a 20 second clip with this guy. And then, uh, I was accused of stealing, stealing the guest,
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even though this guy was all over Fox news and CNN and, and CBC shows as well. So it kind of became
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this very tense situation where even though I'm in Newfoundland, I'm hearing all of this stuff being
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said about me in Ottawa. Yeah. And so when you approached your bosses about how that was handled
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instead of dealing with it. So, well, I was supposed to do, uh, a special, a national special,
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like shortly thereafter. And I was like, I don't want to do this because I don't want to be around
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this particular individual because I like, I, they were just basically talking shit about me and
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disparaging me. And I don't want to, I don't want to work with this person right now. I was supposed
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to fill in like, this is like months later on that program, go back to Ottawa and fill in on the
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program that I was supposed to fill in on when I was actually there. Now it was finally getting to do
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it. That was an opportunity that was locked in. All of a sudden this incident happens
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and I get a call basically saying, we're going to pull you off the show. We're going to, we'll do it
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again sometime. Don't worry. We'll do it again sometime. But, and I was like, well, well, why?
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Like this is clearly about this situation. And they said, yeah, like it's about the situation. They
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can't, they, you know, the, the team can't get over it. Well, I mean, well, we know why the team can't get
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over it. It is pretty petty. It's like, it's like, you know, schoolyard bullies. So the clip
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that we're going to listen to right now is, uh, management calling me and basically saying,
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we're taking you off the show, which I eventually did by the way, and me pushing back.
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Man, CBC is so screwed right now. And I'm happy to hear it. It was only a matter of time before
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somebody stood up to CBC and exposed the bullies in Ottawa for the world to see. And I guess fatal
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have it that Don Raj would be that man. Let's take a listen to that. Have you replaced me with
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somebody? Travis, let me ask you. Yes. Do you, do you want to do the show under some kind of threat
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that, like that, that you're going to, that you're claiming this is retaliation? Like,
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is that, you know, no, but it's the principle of the matter at the end of the day.
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It's not the backfill week. It's the fact that you guys are now saying that you're pushing me
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off the show because and company can't get over something that happened a month ago. And I'm
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saying, put on your big boy pants. We're all professionals. This happened. It was screaming
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and ranting and raving about me. And I heard that from everybody in the newsroom, from on the other
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side of the newsroom, from people outside of CBC, that is wildly unprofessional. That's like a
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workplace harassment complaint. If I wanted to be an asshole about the situation, frankly,
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and now you're saying I can't backfill on the show because the team is not able to get over
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this. Well, there are larger issues at play here. And the fact that you guys both can't see that is
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very concerning and I'm sure would be concerning to other folks as well. So I, I, I can see how that,
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you know, you could cast it that way. We're trying to reach a kind of a agreement. We're not going to
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reach an amicable agreement if your, if your decision is to boot me from the show that week. Okay. So you
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would like to do that. You would like to do the show that week under this, under, under these conditions.
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Yeah. So basically they're like, we'll discuss. And I was in Calgary. It was at my parents' house
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when I'm having this call and I'm like, what bullshit is this? You're calling me to yank me
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from the show now? Yeah. Because somebody had a diva fit? And I'm like, no. So anyway,
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they called me back and like, okay, yeah, you can do the show. But, but that's the thing that,
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that was the threat that again, an attempt to like bully me. Right. Yeah. Fall, fall in line.
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Okay. So I mean, we could probably sit here all day and you probably have a number of examples.
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That was one that we, we put out there. This is going to be a recurring theme throughout our discussion.
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All, you know, um, and I will also say this also because my brain is again, like having anxiety.
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I'm sure the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation has a different interpretation of all of these events.
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That is their right. They can, uh, you know, have that interpretation, but this is my perspective
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and this is how I recall these events happening. Okay. Fair. I want to move into something else
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we're going to talk about, which is editorial independence, right? So we're now we're going to shift
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into Canada tonight territory. This is your show. And, um, what my show, right? Like sort of frame,
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frame this discussion for us. Like, well, what, why is editorial independence important? Now this
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is the part where Don Raj completely exposes CBC for its lack of editorial independence and its pro
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liberal bias. We always suspected that to be the case. Now Don Raj is going to confirm it.
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It's very important because I think that if you don't have, this is the thing about newsrooms,
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right? And I've watched this and you have watched this as well happen. And I mean, yeah, we're talking
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about CBC, but I think that this is, this is a, an issue in general. Sometimes what happens is that
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if you don't have different hosts and different producers and, you know, different members of the
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team that bring different perspectives to the table and you're able to have a conversation editorially
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where there's a range of perspectives, you can't really get, you can't really get to the nugget in
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terms of what you need to be covering and how you need to be covering it and making sure that you have
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all perspectives covered. And so what I think happens sometimes is that there is this group
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think mentality like Tara Henley, who was previously at the CBC brought this issue up as well. It's one
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of the reasons that she left. I'm bringing it up years later. I know that there are other people
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behind the scenes who haven't come out publicly that have thought this as well, but that's why
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like editorial independence is key to have that within newsrooms and to have that amongst hosts as
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well. Like my show is going to be very different than somebody else, or I thought would be very
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different than somebody else's on the network. And that's why I thought I was hired for my
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perspective and my view. Now I love it. Don Ra just showed the world that there's no editorial
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independence at CBC and it's just a small group of liberal minions behind the scenes pulling the
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strings. It says that in the press release that they put out, right, that I would be shaping things
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and it would be, I would have a certain level of editorial independence here. That was not the case.
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Okay. So let's talk about two instances of this. Um, the first was, uh, with a segment
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that you had developed, it was called the intersection. Yes, which you were on by the way,
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which I was on a number of people were on. We would, we would go on a panel, people with diverse
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views and we would kind of talk about the issues and it was never, it was never, you know, yelling
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and screaming. It was always respectful conversation. Sometimes it was yelling and screaming, but like,
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listen, the, the, the concept with this entire show is to not turn it into, uh, some left leaning
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program to not turn it into some right leaning program to represent all views of Canadians to
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have balance. And so that's why when, you know, in the development phase, when we were pitching it
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and I had to fight hard for this segment, I thought that we should have a nightly panel where we were
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talking about the issues of the day, having the conversations that Canadians are having
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with different people and sometimes diametrically opposed people. I had Brian Lilly on with like
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Sheila cops. I had like Sean Spicer and somebody on the left. Right. So it was like, I, I had a range
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of voices and they weren't all just from one perspective. And so I thought that that segment
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was really key because we were doing it in like a really kind of organic real way. It wasn't shades
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of gray where like you, you, you kind of disagree with me a little bit. Like people were opposed,
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but I think what it showed is that, yeah, people can have these very passionate opinions,
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but we could have a civil discourse and at the end of the day, and sometimes a robust civil discourse,
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but at the end of the day, we hear everybody out and we move on. Yeah. There wasn't really anything
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quite like it. Yeah. And I was told by management at one point, well, we, we feel like the, the,
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the conversations are sophomoric and my perspective on that is that like, that's, uh, uh, an intellectually
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elitist attitude. And also it's not that intellectual because here's the thing, not everybody in this
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country is paying attention to the minutiae in terms of what is going on in the Ottawa bubble.
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And I think some of these panels sometimes focus too much on that as opposed to looking at things
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in more, you know, okay. I want some water, uh, in more broad strokes. Right. And that's what we were
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trying to do, but these idiots couldn't see that that's what we were attempting to do here. And they
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canceled and they canceled the panel. Yeah. They canceled the panel. They canceled the panel. And
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also money was an issue with, with that, which we'll talk about afterwards when it came to, you
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know, we're supposed to be a primetime show. We're supposed to have equal footing. It was approved to
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be a, uh, you know, they approved a panel on the show, but they didn't fund it accordingly. I mean,
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this is pretty deep into the weeds, but it shows you like the, the imbalance and how this show was set
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up for failure before I even started. Um, so the intersection panel was canceled. You had
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in an effort to solicit feedback from the panelists, um, you email them, you say, Hey,
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you know, let me know what you thought about it. You got in trouble for that. I got in trouble for that.
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I got yanked off the air for that. Okay. Then that wasn't the end of your troublemaking.
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So this, I'm going to get to that. You know, this was a time around this time where executive bonuses
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at the CBC were under a microscope and the former president of CBC, Catherine Tate,
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who I've never met, who you've never met, never met, uh, was, she can come on this show if she wants to.
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Miss Tate, we would like to have you on. Can't be censored, but she was appearing before a
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parliamentary committee. She was, she was, she was supposed to be talking about this. So like a
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journalist, because they were cutting jobs and giving people bonuses, but as a journalist with
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editorial independence, you requested an interview with her. She said, no, what happened next?
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I mean, I had to go through like five people that requested it because I wasn't, I basically
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was afraid to pick up Canada tonight requested an interview. Yeah, exactly.
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She said, no, what happened next? She said, no, the, the, the chase producer that was doing it
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sent me a note. I was still at home, um, going into the studio and I said, well, why? Like
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they didn't give a reason, just a blanket note. So, well, that's unfortunate because it was
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unfortunate. So I tweeted out like, and it was a very innocuous tweet. I think it's been reported on,
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uh, I basically said, Catherine Tate, we interviewed her. We wanted to talk about this, that, and the
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other, and she declined the interview. That's unfortunate. So that paired with the fact that
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I wanted to get feedback from the folks that were contributing to having a diverse range of
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perspectives on the show and take that to management, not for, for them to like have
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any say, but just to get feedback. Why wouldn't you want feedback? Those two things got me yanked
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off the air and put through hell. It was hell. Okay. So we've got a clip to play. Um, this is
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clip number two, uh, of that, what happened, what you're describing the warning you got and the threat
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of disciplinary action. Yeah. So this is at, I think this is at the end of that hole. And this
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went on for days and like hours and hours, like a day. Right. And I like, there was one point where
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I broke down in one of these meetings. Um, it was a very difficult process. Cause I'm thinking here,
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I'm just doing my job. Like, why am I getting hauled into a meeting for doing my job for fighting for the
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best product on the show for wanting to have interviews for wanting to hold people accountable,
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including the CBC. There's supposed to be some separation here. And so, and then there was a
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conversation about where's Travis happening online. And so this is at the end of that process where
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they're basically like, uh, you can't really say where you were. I said, well, why not? So let's,
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let's take a listen to that. And so if I go back on television, do you want to tell the team nothing?
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That's the solution here. So I'm going to use a different analogy. If somebody has gone on,
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has been away for personal or private or confidential reasons, we don't share that with the team. And that
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if that person chooses not to, we don't in this situation, you're prevented from, I'm prevented
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and so are you from sharing details. We don't know that actually as a fact yet, but sure, that's your,
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that's your view of it. So yes. And I do believe that, um, our colleagues are respectful and mature
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enough to continue working with their day and not to meddle in individuals, private matters.
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Travis, may, may I ask you what you want to share or what your... Yeah, that I was taken off air for
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sending an email and a tweet and put through this process. And that is what, that, that is what,
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that's the reality of what happened. I don't want to have to be forced to lie by omission for the benefit
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of the, of the CBC. And, and, and why do you, you're saying that for the benefit of your colleagues,
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but none of your colleagues are aware of this process or this conversation. So I'm not sure. I'm
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clear on, on, on, on why it needs that resolution. Like, is there an issue there that, that we need to
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help you resolve when you return on it? I am aware of the, the media requests, but that includes a lot
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of assumptions that when we think of it from an internal matter, is that specifically what the
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concern is related to? Because, because your, your colleagues don't know, I don't believe know that
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the media requests, they wouldn't be going through to them. But our, our colleagues, believe it or not,
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are actually on social media and they're seeing, uh, various people tweeting about my whereabouts
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and memes of me being dragged into, uh, a van with black windows and people saying that I've been
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educated and I'm at reeducation camp, uh, and that I've been sent to, uh, at Nunavut to be the weather
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host, uh, and that they're going to start putting my face on milk cartons and that I, I need to send
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a flare up if I need help and on and on and on. There are hundreds of comments about what is going on
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with me. Right. So, so like the, what you got, your solution for all of this is to say nothing. Like
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I understand how that like protects CBC. I don't understand how that, that helps me, uh,
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try to start the process of repairing the era, like irreparable harm that you have done material
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harm that you have done to my reputation in one week. So having dealt with these social media
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situations, I do advise strongly that you say nothing because based on previous experience,
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no answer you give will satisfy people. And secondly, these are
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The Canadian press would be asking about this if it wasn't a story.
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There are temporal things on social media. So just to finish my thought on social media that
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don't actually have an impact, like a true impact on like they're asking, but people can ask like
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people have been asking when hosts are ill and they don't, they don't answer and people can speculate
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all they want. Um, so I am only going on what has happened in the past, like where we've, we've advised
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staff to, because especially for harassment and as I hear the impact on you, it is, silence is the
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guidance on this because engaging is not going to fix or stop it. And so silence and it tends to end it.
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Yeah, no, I need to clear my name. But again, this is why this is personal
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social media and this is why we strongly under the guidelines have said not to post or engage there.
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So you don't think that there's been any damage to my reputation?
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I think that people speculating about where somebody has been is simple and speculation.
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So I think Travis, you just, I hope, you know, we acknowledge her challenge in this process is
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and, uh, you know, want you to know that we moved really quickly through this process to bring new
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resolutions quickly as we could. I think to us too, sometimes it's not possible to do this quickly,
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but this is a conversation that both you and I prioritize to get through with you this week
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and to get you back on air into regular duties on Monday. Obviously your health and safety is
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everyone's top priority. If you're not feeling well enough to go back on air on Monday, we've got
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lots of supportive ways that we can help deal with that. And that's our priority. But our intention is
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to get you back on air on Monday. And hopefully if you are well enough to go back on air, that will help,
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you know, shut down some of the conversation about where you are. Yeah. And help the CBC. Right.
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I just want to add on the social media piece, the silence isn't that do not engage is not to
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protect the CDC. It's to protect the person who's the target of things. That is the best practice that
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we have in such situations. So if the person who is the target of it is saying that they think that the
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best solution is to bring daylight to this situation and you're preventing me from doing that, how is
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that not creating more harm to me? And thank you for the consideration of going through this process
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quickly. And I do feel very supported by the CBC right now. That process has been clear for the past
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Okay. So, okay. At this point, you'd been off the air for how long?
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I felt so supported. So you were so, wasn't I so supported? Thank you guys. So supportive.
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You're still feeling, uh, it's just like when people like he's a disgruntled employee,
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this is about larger issues, but yeah, I'm kind of pissed off. Cause no, that I did not feel
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supported. Right. And if this is happening, Carmen to a national host with a prime time show,
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I am concerned for other folks there, right? This is why I think that they need better whistle
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protection, uh, whistleblower protections for folks that actually will call out some of this stuff.
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Oh, I love it. Don Raj just showed the world that there's no editorial independence at CBC.
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And it's a small group of liberal minions pulling the strings behind the scenes.
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So basically the CBC tried to silence Don Raj because he tried to tell the truth.
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They wanted him to lie. He wanted to tell the truth. So they fired him and then they tried to
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cover it up. These people aren't just corrupt. These people aren't just dishonest. These people are
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evil and I'm glad Don Raj is exposing them to the whole wide world. This poor guy gave everything
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to the CBC. He gave his whole life to the CBC. He put everything online for the CBC and guess what?
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They repay him by trying to ruin his life. That's just evil. And what did he do wrong?
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His only crime was trying to tell the truth on television. This is just another example of why
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we need Polyev in office. Polyev will shut down the CBC and expose their evil crimes to the whole
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world. And that's why we need him in office now. Now I've been paying attention and Polyev's poll
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numbers keep going up and up while Carney's poll numbers are going down and down. I believe a no
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confidence vote truly is around the corner. Now Don Raj actually covered a lot during the podcast.
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So if you want to see the full episode, check out the link in the description.
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That's all I have. Thanks for tuning in. Talk to you tomorrow, Patriots.