Mark Slapinski

00:00:00.000 A Liberal MP went on CBC to do an interview. What happened next will shock you.

00:00:04.980 United Sangry is the Minister of Public Safety and he joins me now. Hi Minister,

00:00:08.360 nice to see you. Thanks for coming in today. Nice to be here JP. I want to start with that

00:00:12.340 tape conversation that was subsequently leaked to the press. You say in that tape that the

00:00:17.120 municipal police in this country do not have enough resources to enforce this firearms ban

00:00:22.580 that has been in place for some time. Why are you going ahead with a buyback program if the police

00:00:28.000 are not equipped to actually carry out any sort of enforcement of this ban?

00:00:32.540 So let me just contextualize this first of all. So there is a recording that was done on Sunday.

00:00:39.920 It was subsequently leaked to a gun lobby advocate and in it a number of things were said.

00:00:49.340 You can understand it was a private conversation between two individuals that have known each

00:00:53.240 other for many years. There are a couple of issues that I want to address at the outset. So first and

00:00:59.440 foremost there's two things that I said. One was regarding compensation, the other was around bail.

00:01:05.580 It was said in jest. It was said in the context of two individuals having a conversation about

00:01:10.920 a very sensitive issue that I know was important to the individual I was speaking to. Secondly I said

00:01:16.760 I talked about this issue proactively because we were going to implement the program. The program was

00:01:22.680 coming forward on Tuesday and on Sunday I was advising someone I knew who was very concerned

00:01:28.520 about firearms about the program that we're rolling out. I have said that I would have done this

00:01:35.080 differently and I still stand by it. I think if I were to redo this from the beginning we could have done

00:01:41.880 this differently. The fact is that many elements of it was done along the way. So my preference would

00:01:47.400 have meant to do it earlier, not to cause some confusion. There's three different orders in council.

00:01:53.880 I would have preferred to do it as a one-shot order in council that would encapsulate all 2500 firearms.

00:02:01.960 So a number of things were said I think have been taken out of context. But the clear point for me is

00:02:08.200 that I've always been believed in this program. I ran on this program. I have for many years supported

00:02:16.280 guns off our streets and this is an important testament to that, the fact that we announced

00:02:21.320 the pilot in Cape Breton today. Just for some quick context, the MP in this video is Gary Anandasanguri,

00:02:27.080 who is also the public safety minister. He was caught on tape admitting that even he himself does not

00:02:32.760 believe in the liberal gun buyback program. He was supporting it publicly, but in private,

00:02:38.120 he doesn't support it at all. The interviewer is named JP Tasker, a seasoned journalist with over

00:02:43.880 12 years experience at CBC. Now he knows a thing or two about walking the party line. However, for

00:02:50.520 whatever reason, he decided to turn on the liberal government and rip this MP apart. Let's watch him

00:02:56.840 ruin this man's life. I appreciate that you're raising this idea that you would start from scratch,

00:03:01.960 because that is what you said on the tape that you would not necessarily have pursued things

00:03:06.120 as they are unfolding now. And it wasn't necessarily about the timeline that you were talking about.

00:03:10.760 I understand that's your explanation for those remarks now, but you were saying in this conversation

00:03:15.640 with your tenant that if you could redo things from the beginning, you would consider increasing penalties

00:03:20.760 for people who have illegal and, you know, unlicensed firearms, that sort of range of things. So

00:03:26.600 you were actually talking about stiffer criminal sanctions for people who are unlicensed,

00:03:31.720 not necessarily a timeline as you're now saying today. It is both.

00:03:36.360 What minister should we believe though, frankly, sir, because we're hearing you speak quite frankly

00:03:40.200 and honestly, seemingly honestly to your tenant, and then we're hearing a different tune today.

00:03:46.440 Just help our audience understand what do you genuinely believe. Tasker is really growing this

00:03:50.840 guy and rightfully so. He deserves it. Now let's watch Gary try to weasel his way out of this.

00:03:56.600 Same thing today, JP. So first of all, I do believe that I would have done this differently.

00:04:02.040 Every minister has a different approach. Every journalist has a different approach to covering

00:04:05.560 a story. So I would have done this differently. Part of it is the timing. Part of it is some of

00:04:09.880 the confusion that people may have had. But ultimately, I think we're in a clear, at this

00:04:15.960 point, we're clear in terms of where we're going. In terms of issues around penalties, so this is one of

00:04:22.600 four different things that we're doing. In December, we've invested $1.3 billion at the border,

00:04:27.880 increasing surveillance, increasing capacity, making sure that we have Black Hawk helicopters,

00:04:33.960 we have drone capabilities, and we've arranged a new tools for law enforcement at the border to stop

00:04:40.440 things such as fentanyl and guns. And that is something we've already done. We committed to

00:04:45.160 hiring 1,000 new RCMP and CBSA officers that we anticipate we will do once the budget is done.

00:04:52.120 And the third element is what Sean Frazier is working on, which is criminal justice reform,

00:04:57.160 which is what I alluded to on that discussion, which is about making sure that criminal,

00:05:03.080 violent, repeat offenders have stricter bail and also stricter sentences. And that's the type of work

00:05:08.840 that Minister Frazier is doing. So it is a comprehensive approach to guns, not just a one-off

00:05:14.200 buyback alone. It is a combination of all these four items that I think will make sure our streets are

00:05:21.080 safer. Now that was the biggest non-answer out of all non-answers. Justin Trudeau probably told him

00:05:26.360 how to answer like that, but Tasker, he's not going to let him slide. No, no, no. He's going to hold

00:05:32.440 him accountable. I want to ask you about that compensation comment that you referenced as well,

00:05:36.760 because when you were speaking with your tenant, you said if he was not satisfied with the amount of

00:05:41.000 money he would get through the buyback program for his firearms, that you would be willing to

00:05:45.960 compensate him personally, to kind of make him whole in terms of how much he paid versus how

00:05:50.280 much he's getting from the federal government. You said in your case, what are your losses? You tell

00:05:54.360 me I'll personally, I'll compensate you. Was that the right thing to say? No, it was the wrong thing

00:06:00.440 to say. It was said in, in, in just, it was said in a private conversation between two individuals that

00:06:06.120 know each other. I hate, I was trying to weasel out of this. Just admit it. You're a duplicitous fool.

00:06:12.360 You got caught. Nobody trusts you anymore. Nobody likes you anymore. It's time to resign. But he's 1.00

00:06:18.600 playing this game that, oh, I was joking. Oh, I wasn't serious. It was a private conversation.

00:06:23.880 It's like, dude, listen, you're the public safety minister. The word public is literally in your job

00:06:30.840 title. Nothing you do or say while you're employed by the federal government, especially at that level,

00:06:36.600 is private. You're a public figure. You weren't joking. And you're rightfully getting called out

00:06:41.960 just admit it. Will he admit it? We'll see. The broader issue here is the compensation that's

00:06:47.800 available to Canadians. It's insufficient for some, I guess. And you're willing to top it up.

00:06:51.480 Well, I think he was making the point it was insufficient. So my point right now is that as we

00:06:56.840 roll this out, we have the numbers that we have come up with per each of the items is based on

00:07:06.520 evidence and based on advice that we received from experts. So when you buy a brand new car and you

00:07:11.560 turn in a car that's, you know, say three years old, you're not going to get the same amount of

00:07:15.400 money for the same car. Similar principle applies here. You mentioned to Quebec, you know, when he's

00:07:21.080 pressing you in the audio, why are you going ahead with this? And you essentially say, well, Quebec's a

00:07:25.480 very different place and that the electorate there expects this government to deliver on the firearms

00:07:31.400 commitment. Do you genuinely believe in this program or is this just about satisfying voters in

00:07:37.240 Quebec as you suggested in your call with the tenant? Oh boy, Gary's getting really nervous

00:07:42.040 right now. You can see him slowly tensing up. He's twiddling his fingers. He's trying to act all

00:07:47.960 calm, but inside he's falling apart. He knows his goose is cooked. He probably thought he was going to get

00:07:53.400 one of those softball CBC interviews, but no, he's not. He's going to be held accountable this time.

00:07:59.080 Let's watch it. So again, relating to Quebec, it is about the number of incidents that have happened,

00:08:07.000 mass casualty incidents that took place in Quebec. Quebec City moth shooting was several years ago.

00:08:12.440 We were all, you know, I was in politics when that took place. The Dawson attack, assault and a number

00:08:21.640 of people died there. You know, we saw what an impact it had on Quebecers. And of course,

00:08:27.480 L'Ecole Polytechnique today, Natalie Prevot, the Minister of Nature, Secretary of State for Nature,

00:08:33.160 spoke about that and how personally she's been impacted by it. So it is a heightened sense of alert

00:08:39.720 in Quebec over guns. People are very, very much impacted by what happened to them, what happened to

00:08:48.280 their communities, how ripped apart they felt. And for folks, for example, who survived L'Ecole Polytechnique,

00:08:57.160 this has been a 36-year battle that finally, I think, has come to fruition. So it is not in the

00:09:03.960 context of politics, it's in the context of this is the expectation, heightened level of expectation

00:09:08.920 in Quebec. But it's by no means just Quebec. We know that the Danforth shooting took place.

00:09:13.560 Look, I've worked with many youths over the years. I've lost, you know, at least five or six young people

00:09:19.080 to gun violence. And this is something that we're all impacted by. And this program that we are

00:09:26.680 launching today, the pilot, I believe will help get items such as AR-15s off our streets.

00:09:33.800 Gary thinks he's slick. He thinks that he might be able to get his way out of this one,

00:09:38.600 but he's not. Are you ready? This is the part where Tasker ruins his life on live television.

00:09:44.840 I want to ask you about firearms and firearm crime, because really, when you look at some

00:09:49.000 of the statistics from police, it suggests that most of the guns used in the commission

00:09:53.400 of a crime in this country don't come from legal firearms owners in this country. They come from

00:09:58.520 the United States. I was looking at some of the data. The Toronto Police Service very helpfully

00:10:02.280 supplied some. Ninety percent of the guns that they take off the streets as part of a sweep when it comes

00:10:08.280 to a crime come from the United States. Illegal firearms from the Americans. Why crack down on

00:10:13.960 legal firearms owners who arguably go through very stringent requirements to get a license and then

00:10:19.000 have to follow a bunch of paperwork and regulations and what have you. Why go after them and not pour

00:10:26.040 the $742 million you've allocated for this gun buyback program into beefing up the things that are

00:10:32.440 happening at the border to stop what is really the main source of crime guns in this country.

00:10:37.400 Now I know what Gary is thinking. Gary is probably thinking, I should have stayed home today.

00:10:41.080 Why the hell did I take this interview? But just watch. Gary continues to dig himself a bigger

00:10:46.680 and bigger hole every time he talks.

00:10:49.000 JP, I've outlined the other efforts we're making on firearms, including additional resources at the

00:10:55.640 border, additional RCMP, CBSA officers, the changes we're making to…

00:11:00.920 Is it public money well spent? You're obviously in a finite budget situation. You're about to cut

00:11:06.600 across the board, some 15% if the prime minister gets his way. $742 million that is going to be

00:11:12.600 spent on this buyback program. Couldn't you deploy that to other areas, including cracking down on

00:11:18.200 where the guns are actually coming from, where these crime guns are sourced, the United States?

00:11:22.920 I think in this era where money is tight, does it make sense to expend this sort of money in police

00:11:29.240 people who are not largely responsible for the gun crimes that we're seeing?

00:11:32.600 Let's be clear. The funds that are being allocated for this is from previous budgets. So,

00:11:39.000 the final tranche of it was from the fall economic statement in 2024.

00:11:43.720 There are roughly between 80 to 90,000 AR-15s in communities. I'm not so sure that that's the

00:11:51.720 appropriate type of firearms to be held in community. I don't think they should be allowed in Canada.

00:11:57.400 That's why we banned it. That's why we are compensating people for taking them off their

00:12:03.480 shelves. It's a goodwill gesture to make sure that people comply. AR-15s have had lethal consequences

00:12:12.120 in Canada. It's been used on a number of shootings. The Mass Casualty Report in Nova Scotia has

00:12:17.800 recommended that we have restrictions in place for semi-automatics such as the AR-15.

00:12:26.920 And at this point, it is the right thing to do in culmination with the other efforts that we're

00:12:32.520 making. I just want to circle back to the first question I asked you about municipal police. I

00:12:37.720 take your explanation off the top, but you didn't quite answer that question. When you say on that

00:12:41.400 recording that the municipal police in this country don't have the resources to actually follow through on

00:12:46.440 policing these firearms that are now banned, are you confident they'll be able to do the job? Or,

00:12:52.600 as you said, they're not going to have the resources? I know municipal police. I just don't

00:12:57.080 think municipal police services have the resources to do this. Again, if you look at the whole transcript,

00:13:01.880 it is in the context of a scenario that individual presented to me, which would be extreme, high risk,

00:13:09.560 in a residential neighbourhood, a range of issues where in order to ensure enforcement of that would

00:13:15.880 take enormous resources. What is clear to me, though, is that Canadians are law-abiding. They will

00:13:21.320 comply with the law. Municipal police forces each and every day make sure that Canadians are safe. They

00:13:31.240 implement the criminal code on a range of issues, tens of thousands of issues a day. This is one of those

00:13:37.400 issues where they will have to address it. And it will be on a case-by-case basis. But in a general sense,

00:13:42.280 when we talk about firearms, oftentimes when somebody passes away, there may be some kind of a return

00:13:49.400 of the firearm or surrender to police. It may be found in a context of another law enforcement activity.

00:13:57.160 It may be in the context of a raid. It may be in a range of contacts. So in the scenario presented,

00:14:04.120 that would be hard if that is the type of incident we're looking at. But in a much broader sense,

00:14:11.160 law enforcement have always been able to do their work. And I have every confidence that they will.

00:14:15.800 Gary is an absolute moron. Like, what is he talking about? Canadians, overall, are not fully law-abiding. 1.00

00:14:23.240 Because if they were, why do we need to take the guns away? If we can trust Canadians to do the right

00:14:28.280 thing, why take their guns? That doesn't make any sense at all. Gary only has one choice right now.

00:14:33.960 He needs to resign. And if he doesn't resign, Carney needs to fire him. Quite frankly,

00:14:39.160 I'm surprised Carney hasn't fired this guy already. But, oh, that's right. In the liberal government,

00:14:44.760 ineptitude is rewarded. Quite frankly, I think it's actually part of the job description.

00:14:49.880 They specifically look for incompetent people to run this country. But overall, that was a great job by

00:14:55.400 Tasker. I'm not the kind of person that easily gives praise to the mainstream media,

00:15:00.280 but credit where it's due. Tasker did a great job. And Carney is doing such a bad job that even his

00:15:06.920 paid propagandist, the one that he gave over a billion dollars every year to, can't defend him

00:15:12.440 anymore. That's how you know this guy's in trouble. All I have to say, it was a real pleasure watching

00:15:17.480 Gary get embarrassed on live television. I hope you enjoyed that as much as I did. Like I said before,

00:15:23.000 just be patient and have a bit of faith. It's only a matter of time before Paul Yev gets into office

00:15:28.840 because these liberal clowns will surely destroy themselves. 1.00

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