Mark Slapinski

00:00:00.000 Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney has a new plan for the country's auto sector,

00:00:04.140 and the plan is so bad that even his friends at CBC are having trouble spinning it around.

00:00:09.180 Carney's been having a rough week, with the CBC exposing the fact that Carney's name came up 69

00:00:14.000 times no less in the Epstein files. They also acknowledged that Mark Carney was seen at a

00:00:18.920 festival with notorious sex offender Ghislaine Maxwell. This all comes as Pierre Polyev remains

00:00:23.940 the leader of the Conservative Party, having won a massive victory with 87% of the vote.

00:00:28.840 The Conservatives and the Liberal Party are now neck-to-neck in the polls,

00:00:32.880 and the Conservatives could actually win if an election were held today.

00:00:35.800 So let's watch CBC give Carney some much-deserved love taps,

00:00:39.140 and stick around for some commentary at the end.

00:00:41.160 This new auto strategy, what does it tell us about the PM's approach to the US and to climate change?

00:00:47.240 I'm Rosemary Barton, here to break it all down tonight, Chantelle Ibert, Andrew Coyne, Althea Raj.

00:00:51.440 I'm going to start with Althea, because I happened to know she was on the technical briefing earlier

00:00:55.160 this morning listening to all the details, and I want your thoughts on the strategy,

00:01:01.580 of course, itself, Althea, but also the timing of it.

00:01:05.120 Well, that technical briefing call did not go well, and the Prime Minister's office called me after to say,

00:01:10.820 no, no, don't worry, we did do modelling, and this is not a suggestion.

00:01:15.320 This is what the Prime Minister has signed off on, and this is a plan that's going forward,

00:01:18.960 and it's not up for real consultations when it will be gazetted.

00:01:21.800 Anyways, that being said, I think the Prime Minister is showing himself to be a pragmatist.

00:01:28.480 I think this is good politics, in the sense that everybody likes getting credits,

00:01:33.980 and the credits were very popular, and when the credits were pulled back,

00:01:37.500 actually, the sales of a vehicle dropped.

00:01:39.700 Also, at the same time, as Elon Musk kind of showed himself to be not necessarily who we thought we were,

00:01:44.140 and people had bad feelings about Tesla, or some people did.

00:01:47.380 So, I'm just not sure which one was more influential, but they coincided around the same time.

00:01:54.160 The move itself, I think, says, I actually think the policy itself is pretty good.

00:02:00.940 On the climate front, though, it is a huge step back.

00:02:04.680 I think it's getting harder and harder for Prime Minister Carney to stand in front and defend his reputation,

00:02:12.700 earned mostly before he became Prime Minister as this climate, not only activist,

00:02:18.440 but somebody who took climate change incredibly seriously.

00:02:21.540 The laws on the book still have the Paris climate targets,

00:02:25.320 and even the beefier targets that Justin Trudeau signed onto,

00:02:27.940 but there is no way this government is going to meet them,

00:02:30.300 especially if they're going to approve a pipeline,

00:02:32.780 and it looks like, really, that is the direction in which they're marching.

00:02:36.820 But that being said, what they are doing is less worse than what people feared,

00:02:41.480 and so that is why you also have some in the climate sector coming out and praising them

00:02:46.480 for at least not destroying all efforts,

00:02:50.800 which is what some people feared the EV mandate.

00:02:53.300 If they got rid of it and didn't replace it with anything, it would go.

00:02:56.340 And they are following an example that Europe also went through in just last December.

00:03:02.300 So all in all, I think it's a really good day for the Liberal government.

00:03:07.460 Chantal?

00:03:09.320 So first, if we were trying to continue to walk in step with the US approach at this point,

00:03:19.280 we would have gotten rid of EV mandates, and that stops there.

00:03:23.040 That is not what happened today, which is interesting in the sense that we are going the European model way.

00:03:31.300 So emissions will be calculated.

00:03:35.260 Those rebates out here is totally right, will be popular, will move cars.

00:03:39.900 Because it's an interesting day when the auto industry, the Premier of Ontario,

00:03:46.660 with the leader of the province where it most matters,

00:03:51.980 but also a number of people on the green side of the equation say this is not a bad move.

00:03:58.080 And I'll offer you one token of that.

00:04:00.900 Stephen Guilbault, who has no seat in Cabinet to protect anymore,

00:04:06.920 actually had good words for this announcement.

00:04:10.800 So yes, it is a step back, but it is not a retreat in the American sense of the word.

00:04:17.400 And it does send the message that Canada is willing to look at a different auto industry model,

00:04:24.340 away from the big three that we sometimes bail out, by the way, for lack of innovation.

00:04:31.520 And that's a gamble on the fact that the future in the auto industry is probably going to be EVs,

00:04:38.120 notwithstanding what the US market goes to over the next four or five years.

00:04:44.260 Yeah, I mean, it's definitely a gamble, Andrew.

00:04:46.680 And it's also interesting to see the Prime Minister say, you know,

00:04:49.780 we hope that the tariffs don't remain with the United States on the auto sector.

00:04:54.180 But if they do, here are all the things we're going to do to pivot sort of away from them.

00:04:59.100 What do you make of that move in particular?

00:05:01.320 All the things. It's insanely complicated.

00:05:05.060 You know, you've got emissions standards,

00:05:06.840 you've got subsidies that apply to some countries' cars,

00:05:10.260 but not to others at price points that vary depending on where they're made.

00:05:13.340 And then we've got some system of tradable credits,

00:05:16.960 where if you make cars here, you get the credits.

00:05:18.700 And if you import them, you have to buy the credits.

00:05:21.100 It's better than the policy it's replacing.

00:05:23.900 The EV mandate is practically unachievable and insanely costly if they tried to achieve it.

00:05:29.780 So give thanks that that's gone.

00:05:31.720 It's much less good policy than just charging a carbon price

00:05:35.540 and let people figure out for themselves how they want to reduce their emissions,

00:05:38.940 including by buying electric vehicles.

00:05:40.640 That is the necessary and sufficient policy,

00:05:43.100 but apparently we're not capable of that in this country.

00:05:45.960 It doesn't make a lot of economic sense,

00:05:48.700 but we're kind of outside economics right now.

00:05:51.140 We're kind of in a wartime economy.

00:05:53.540 The United States president has declared war on our auto industry

00:05:56.520 for reasons nobody can really divine,

00:05:58.780 where he doesn't want any cars to be made in Canada.

00:06:00.980 He's declared war on his auto industry at the same time

00:06:03.260 because they, what other things be equal,

00:06:04.560 prefer to keep making cars in Canada.

00:06:06.280 The calculation, the thing that might make it all halfway sensible is

00:06:11.320 he may not be here for long, let us hope.

00:06:14.460 If he goes and if the Americans go back to something resembling their senses, 0.82

00:06:19.520 then there may be a case for policies like this that help the industry ride it out until then.

00:06:24.160 But don't look for a lot of economic sense in it beyond that.

00:06:28.160 Yeah.

00:06:28.380 Althea?

00:06:29.900 I think what we can look at today's announcement as a short-term band-aid

00:06:35.320 because it's not like the EV mandate,

00:06:38.080 what it hoped to do was to change the way the Canadian auto sector in this country functions.

00:06:42.560 And that maybe made sense when Joe Biden was the president of the United States

00:06:47.380 and both administrations, Canada and the United States,

00:06:50.780 were kind of going in the same direction.

00:06:53.080 But this is not that at all.

00:06:56.580 Like this is basically a temporary fix that encourage,

00:07:00.840 that almost as much as encourages auto manufacturing in this country,

00:07:04.900 encourages Canadians to purchase cars from other countries with which we have free trade deals.

00:07:08.760 So it's not hugely forward-thinking.

00:07:14.800 And I think the proof will be in the pudding,

00:07:16.880 whereas do the investments that they make now actually deliver?

00:07:20.880 The other question really to ask is like, what is part of this $3 billion fund?

00:07:25.360 We have no idea who it will go for, what projects.

00:07:28.900 And I do think there's been a lot of money through this strategic investment fund,

00:07:33.800 but there's not a lot of transparency.

00:07:36.000 And I think as the months, maybe the years go by,

00:07:39.440 taxpayers really need to know what they've invested in

00:07:41.920 and where that money has gone.

00:07:44.200 The other thing that might make, again, a smidgen of sense is

00:07:49.300 if the president is determined to destroy our auto sector

00:07:53.080 and you're trying to shelter something here,

00:07:55.440 you might as well shelter the part of the industry that he doesn't want,

00:07:58.600 which is electric vehicles.

00:08:00.320 Last word to you, Chantal. 1.00

00:08:01.860 Exactly, for one, two, a lot of details and they are big details are missing in action.

00:08:09.540 And I think part of the announcement or part of the Kuzma pre-negotiation stance,

00:08:16.780 i.e. these are things that we will be doing if this is where you want to go,

00:08:23.300 i.e. we don't want your auto industry anymore.

00:08:26.340 So, I don't think we have seen the full picture.

00:08:30.500 I'm not sure that the government has a handle on the full picture yet,

00:08:34.800 but it is a move that does signal that if we're going to keep anything,

00:08:38.720 we're not going to keep the fuel-based auto industry

00:08:43.680 that the American administration seems to love.

00:08:47.360 We're going to try to get the South Korea, Chinese, European-style EVs,

00:08:56.700 which is probably where the future is in any event.

00:09:01.360 At issue, conservatives suggest they will work with the government when it makes sense.

00:09:05.740 Conservatives are here to work with the Prime Minister and with the government

00:09:10.820 to get to knock down these unjust tariffs and fight for our workers,

00:09:16.040 fight for their jobs, and fight for our economic independence.

00:09:19.060 But whether that spirit of collaboration will stick around is unclear.

00:09:23.360 Canadians need hope right now.

00:09:25.480 They need hope.

00:09:26.520 You want to sneak by here?

00:09:27.520 Good to see you.

00:09:28.080 This is not hope.

00:09:28.880 This is not hope over here.

00:09:29.960 This is hope.

00:09:31.020 Oh, look at this.

00:09:32.100 Hard work.

00:09:32.320 We've got a...

00:09:33.120 We're, um...

00:09:34.180 We're working.

00:09:34.980 We're actually going to work.

00:09:36.400 You better start.

00:09:38.340 We've got...

00:09:39.380 This is the group here that have given you the most expensive groceries in the G7.

00:09:45.280 So have conservatives changed their approach to parliament?

00:09:47.740 It sounded like it at the beginning of that clip.

00:09:49.740 By the end, I wasn't so sure.

00:09:51.340 How could liberals take advantage of this moment here to break it all down,

00:09:54.000 Chantal, Andrew, and Althea?

00:09:55.900 Andrew, you know, part of this started at the Conservative Convention over the weekend.

00:10:00.420 This tonal change, certainly, from Pierre Poiliev,

00:10:02.880 but also identifying areas where they're willing to actually do things,

00:10:07.600 whether it be bail or the GST rebate, for instance.

00:10:11.620 What do you make of this in terms of a different posture for a conservative?

00:10:15.280 Well, I think, to some extent, the moment and the public demand it.

00:10:20.740 People are so spooked, and rightly so, by what's going on south of the border,

00:10:24.160 and depending on events, they may continue to be.

00:10:26.460 So this may be one of those rare things where it actually does last,

00:10:29.120 depending on what happens in the states.

00:10:30.400 It's good politics for Poilievre in a number of respects.

00:10:34.560 One is, it looks statesmanlike.

00:10:36.500 Secondly, you get to talk about the issues that you'd like to talk about.

00:10:40.080 You get the media to focus on you, which is hard for opposition leaders to do.

00:10:43.640 So he got in there to talk about the cooperation,

00:10:45.880 but it was on things like affordability, etc.

00:10:49.900 Thirdly, you sort of put the prime minister on the spot

00:10:52.900 to try to respond in some similar fashion,

00:10:55.900 and that's always good to try to seize the initiative.

00:10:59.560 It's certainly a lot more useful and helpful

00:11:02.360 than Jamil Javani going down to, quote-unquote,

00:11:06.980 negotiate on behalf of who-knows-who with who-knows-what mandate.

00:11:13.140 But I presume he went down with the leader's authorization,

00:11:16.520 and I think what was going on there was

00:11:18.300 to focus on the Canada-U.S. trade deal

00:11:22.280 as being, first of all, the be-all and the end-all,

00:11:25.000 rather than something that we have to be able to take or leave.

00:11:28.000 And secondly, to blame the government for the absence of one so far.

00:11:32.020 If only Jamil Javani and people like him were negotiating it,

00:11:34.800 we'd already have it, is the implicit message.

00:11:37.100 So there's a supposedly bipartisan, helpful move

00:11:41.400 that is neither helpful nor particularly bipartisan.

00:11:45.000 Chantal.

00:11:45.320 I frankly do not put a lot of stock on this spirit of cooperation.

00:11:55.040 I believe it's driven by polls in the sense that the one thing that is clear

00:12:00.160 from everything we've seen and everything we've read

00:12:03.100 is that if the liberals can only demonstrate or show a narrative

00:12:08.160 that shows that the parliament isn't working,

00:12:10.960 that it's being bogged down by parliamentary games

00:12:13.800 on the part of the official opposition,

00:12:16.580 Mark Carney is totally able to walk to Rideau Hall and say,

00:12:22.160 I need a mandate to do what I need to do

00:12:24.960 because they're playing games in the House of Commons.

00:12:27.940 And if you look at polls and you're a conservative or a new Democrat,

00:12:31.720 the last thing you want at this point is an election.

00:12:35.620 I then also believe, though, that if Mr. Poitiev wants to revert to style,

00:12:42.840 he may have a problem with caucus.

00:12:44.800 And why do I say that?

00:12:46.000 Because this week, a lot of caucus members got different marching orders

00:12:50.760 on how parliament should work from Stephen Harper.

00:12:53.940 And those marching orders went to unity and cooperation and being constructive.

00:13:00.040 And that does mean that in the future, in the next few months,

00:13:05.880 if we are going to revert to the usual, let's just ambush the government style,

00:13:11.560 there will be caucus members who will use Stephen Harper's words

00:13:14.760 to say that's not where we want to be or what we want to do.

00:13:19.960 But do I believe there has been a sudden conversion?

00:13:23.680 And by the way, on the Givéni thing,

00:13:25.840 whether Pierre Poitiev authorized it or not,

00:13:28.040 the last thing we need are for opposition members to suddenly freelance

00:13:35.480 and say we're going to renegotiate the relationship

00:13:39.540 and come home to say Donald Trump told me he likes us.

00:13:43.720 He loves us.

00:13:44.360 He gives me a break.

00:13:45.260 He loves us.

00:13:46.240 Yeah.

00:13:46.680 Yeah.

00:13:47.780 I mean, we sure heard in Calgary, Althea,

00:13:50.280 a lot of conservatives worried about the possibility of an early election,

00:13:53.620 knowing that that wouldn't be an ideal outcome for them.

00:13:57.640 So, I mean, Chantal's notion there, I think, is pretty plausible.

00:14:01.480 What do you make of the approach here?

00:14:04.840 I entirely agree.

00:14:06.660 There's not an ounce of me who believes that if the polls showed something different,

00:14:10.900 that the leader of the official opposition,

00:14:13.180 Chantal Poitiev, would be acting differently. 0.99

00:14:15.020 Oh, you silly. 0.99

00:14:15.880 They are, oh, come on. 1.00

00:14:18.240 They are convinced that if there was an election now,

00:14:21.260 the liberals would win a majority,

00:14:22.480 and they do not want an election now.

00:14:24.680 They need time.

00:14:26.360 The leader of the official opposition has terrible polling numbers,

00:14:29.620 personal polling numbers.

00:14:30.780 They need time to build a team.

00:14:32.400 They need time to recruit candidates.

00:14:34.700 They need time.

00:14:35.520 They need time to give Mark Carney a record that they can prosecute.

00:14:38.920 And so they are playing for time.

00:14:40.500 And it is remarkable, honestly, the tone shift in the last week.

00:14:44.280 Like, Michelle Rempelgarner, who was just, who's a Calgary MP,

00:14:47.200 and was calling, and the immigration critic for the party,

00:14:49.800 was calling the immigration minister incompetent just a few weeks ago.

00:14:52.800 And now she is writing a letter released publicly,

00:14:55.860 saying that she is writing this in the spirit of collaboration

00:14:59.340 and making parliament work for all Canadians.

00:15:02.340 And then at the same time, you watch Question Period,

00:15:05.320 nine times I was in the House on Wednesday,

00:15:07.400 the liberals are accusing the conservatives of being obstructionist.

00:15:10.420 Whether the liberals want an election or not,

00:15:13.160 the threat of them demonstrating to the conservatives

00:15:16.320 that they are willing to go

00:15:18.100 means that they can get their agenda passed in the Commons

00:15:20.820 with a lot less headaches than they had in the fall.

00:15:24.480 And let's remember, in the fall,

00:15:25.400 they really only passed one new piece of legislation.

00:15:28.180 So it's politics that work here.

00:15:30.020 I'm really sorry, but that's basically it.

00:15:32.360 But Andrew, I mean, that is, you know,

00:15:35.060 good for a government that is going to need,

00:15:37.280 whenever the election is, something to campaign on.

00:15:39.560 They need some of their agenda to get through here.

00:15:42.880 Yeah, I mean, I do think if they could,

00:15:45.680 they wouldn't mind going to an election in the spring

00:15:48.080 because things are only going to get more turbulent and troublesome for them from now on.

00:15:53.240 First of all, Paul Yeager is raising his game, noticeable.

00:15:56.700 And so that's going to give them trouble, you know.

00:15:59.640 Secondly, the NDP is going to resolve their leadership question for Goderil,

00:16:03.080 and they're going to be a bit more of a force to be reckoned with.

00:16:05.660 And thirdly, we're heading for all kinds of crazy mayhem from Donald Trump, inevitably.

00:16:12.800 And so, you know, there's a case we made,

00:16:14.960 if you're a liberal, for getting the election out of the way beforehand.

00:16:17.680 They certainly seem to have gotten a lift out of the Davos speech.

00:16:22.060 Right after I recall them saying they weren't getting a partisan,

00:16:24.500 they were only getting a personal lift for Carney.

00:16:26.320 But it does seem now to be translating into support for the party as a whole,

00:16:31.140 rather than just him, at least the most recent polls suggest.

00:16:34.800 So yeah, that puts them in the driver's seat.

00:16:36.960 Last 30 seconds to you, Chantal. 0.75

00:16:38.520 I'm not taking for granted that the NDP leadership will see a boost in the polls for the NDP

00:16:47.820 in any way, shape, or form.

00:16:50.200 And I believe the liberals would like an election,

00:16:54.200 but that they totally understand that there's no patience out there for an election

00:16:58.360 that isn't based on some probable cause to have one.

00:17:02.940 And that's non-existent at this point.

00:17:04.960 Regardless of, you know, the parliamentary games,

00:17:09.840 I agree with Althea, I watched Question Period.

00:17:13.420 And unless someone told you there was a big change, I saw no change.

00:17:17.280 At issue, Stephen Harper's message, the former PM is calling for unity to protect Canada.

00:17:24.540 In these perilous times, both parties, whatever their other differences,

00:17:28.900 come together against external forces that threaten our independence.

00:17:33.280 And his advice for a new dynamic with the U.S.?

00:17:36.160 The question for Canada is not how we feel about what the U.S. is doing.

00:17:41.080 It is how will we adapt.

00:17:44.520 To be clear, these realities mean that we must reduce our dependence on the U.S.

00:17:50.260 in order to protect our sovereignty.

00:17:52.980 So once we made a Stephen Harper's message to Canada,

00:17:55.880 let's bring everyone back, Chantal, Andrew, and Althea.

00:17:58.040 It's so rare that we hear from Stephen Harper.

00:18:00.380 So that also is remarkable.

00:18:02.000 He's celebrating the 20th anniversary of forming government,

00:18:06.980 and he got his portrait unveiled and all the rest.

00:18:08.840 But he obviously had some things to say, Chantal,

00:18:12.000 some important things to say about the country

00:18:14.480 and things that he thinks the country should be doing in this moment.

00:18:18.500 What did you make of what he was saying?

00:18:21.000 I thought he gave Prime Minister Carney a good week on many levels,

00:18:26.040 the first being that clear appeal to unity,

00:18:31.900 which was directed that the two parties need to come together.

00:18:37.060 But also the last speech, the one to a conservative partisan crowd,

00:18:42.020 where he insisted that Canada should go tariffs for tariffs against the U.S.

00:18:48.400 That is a more aggressive posture than that of the current government,

00:18:52.220 but it's immensely more of an aggressive posture

00:18:56.200 than that of the current leader of the Conservative Party

00:18:59.140 on the entire Trump issue.

00:19:02.320 So I feel he bought Carney a lot of wiggle room,

00:19:09.020 and I do believe that he robbed Pierre Poilievre

00:19:13.700 of the afterglow of that resounding 87% vote that he got at the convention.

00:19:21.060 So I would say there are many Conservatives this week

00:19:25.160 who left Ottawa with nostalgia in their heart.

00:19:29.540 Why?

00:19:30.240 Because they didn't feel that their current leader

00:19:32.700 stacks up against Stephen Harper.

00:19:36.520 Andrew.

00:19:37.900 There are some leaders who have better records

00:19:41.540 as former Prime Ministers than as Prime Ministers.

00:19:44.560 Stephen Harper was a fair to middling PM.

00:19:47.000 He's turning into a very good former PM.

00:19:49.420 We remember that intervention in the spring when morale was shaken

00:19:53.800 and he said,

00:19:54.840 I would rather put the country into poverty than yield to America

00:19:58.860 or something to that effect.

00:20:00.160 It was pretty stirring.

00:20:00.980 For a guy whose patriotism used to be questioned,

00:20:03.460 remember he was one of the authors of the Firewall Letter.

00:20:06.020 I remember a journalist reporter asking him at a press conference once,

00:20:10.560 do you love Canada?

00:20:12.160 It turns out he loves Canada a lot.

00:20:13.640 And he's been quite stirring, I think, in some of his appeals.

00:20:19.160 As Chantel mentioned, he's certainly making life a little difficult,

00:20:22.380 not only for the Conservatives,

00:20:23.540 but for some sections of the business community

00:20:25.260 who are just all about put all of our eggs in the Kuzma basket, 1.00

00:20:30.020 don't say anything to disturb Donald Trump.

00:20:32.460 So to be saying, as he's saying,

00:20:35.000 well, actually, we need to be thinking seriously

00:20:36.640 about how we're going to diversify our trade,

00:20:39.500 he's taking a different path.

00:20:41.960 Yeah, it also was stark because it is,

00:20:44.220 I think, as Chantel said, Althea,

00:20:45.840 what a lot of Conservatives want to hear from the current leader.

00:20:49.220 And so to hear it from the former guy, the former boss,

00:20:52.300 I think that meant a lot to a lot of people

00:20:54.320 and maybe to people who weren't Conservative either.

00:20:59.120 Can I just go back on what Chantel originally said?

00:21:02.040 Because I think we would have made comparisons

00:21:04.160 between Pia Poiliev's speech

00:21:05.540 and Stephen Harper's speeches regardless.

00:21:08.700 But I actually think that what Prime Minister Harper gave Pia Poiliev

00:21:12.580 is kind of cover to go into areas

00:21:14.740 where he did not want to go before his leadership vote.

00:21:20.540 It was remarkable that we had a whole convention

00:21:22.860 and the word Donald Trump was never spoken

00:21:25.160 from the stage of the Conservative Convention.

00:21:27.880 Separatism was alluded to as in,

00:21:30.840 like, there are legitimate grievances,

00:21:33.080 but, you know, fighting for the country

00:21:34.820 the way that Stephen Harper spoke this week,

00:21:36.860 that was not there.

00:21:38.220 And I think Stephen Harper has kind of raised the bar

00:21:40.440 and told Pia Poiliev, this is what you need to do

00:21:42.560 if you want to become Prime Minister.

00:21:44.820 At the same time, I think he also did Mark Carney a favor,

00:21:47.600 not just because at the Conservative Shinding on Wednesday,

00:21:50.420 the former Prime Minister of Ireland

00:21:52.900 started praising Mark Carney from the stage.

00:21:55.320 That was a little weird.

00:21:57.020 But he basically urged businesses to do things

00:22:01.180 that this government, the current government,

00:22:03.140 needs them to do,

00:22:04.140 which is stop waiting for the situation in the United States

00:22:06.880 to rectify itself.

00:22:09.020 Again, he's echoing the Davos speech,

00:22:11.660 almost word for word in some ways,

00:22:13.640 at least theme for theme,

00:22:14.600 and saying, basically, we need you to diversify.

00:22:17.880 Like, this will only work if you step up.

00:22:20.160 And so I think in a way,

00:22:21.820 he's helping the Conservatives lay out policy

00:22:24.420 in places where they haven't,

00:22:26.660 in places where the Liberals even themselves haven't.

00:22:28.860 So I don't necessarily see it as a negative thing,

00:22:31.780 but I do think it's like pushing the Conservative leader

00:22:33.960 down a certain path.

00:22:35.220 At the same time, also kind of saying,

00:22:37.060 we have the leader for the Times at this moment.

00:22:39.940 That, I thought, he went out of his way,

00:22:42.120 especially on Tuesday, with that message.

00:22:44.240 Quick, quick last letter, Trenshaw.

00:22:46.760 Yeah, the problem is that Conservative strategists,

00:22:50.060 and I agree with them on this,

00:22:52.100 totally believe that if they're going to fight this

00:22:54.720 on the battlefield of Trump-Canada-U.S. relations, etc.,

00:22:59.220 they can't win against Mark Carney with Piapli.

00:23:02.280 And that is the biggest problem.

00:23:04.040 There you have it.

00:23:05.240 Even Carney's friends at the CBC are poking holes

00:23:07.580 in his flimsy automotive plan.

00:23:09.860 Of course, they're still on the Liberal payroll,

00:23:11.880 so they have to be careful with what they say.

00:23:15.020 I don't, but they have to.

00:23:16.540 Of course, the best way for it is for Canada

00:23:18.280 and the United States to work together

00:23:19.840 and make some sort of deal.

00:23:21.620 If Donald Trump decides to back out of Kuzma,

00:23:24.060 that could put a lot of Canadians out of work

00:23:25.900 and push our economy into a recession.

00:23:28.340 If Paulio was in office,

00:23:29.580 we'd probably already have a deal

00:23:30.760 with the Americans right now.

00:23:32.500 Unfortunately for us,

00:23:33.860 Canadians made another choice last election.

00:23:36.000 I'm still predicting that Paulio

00:23:37.180 will be the next Prime Minister of Canada.

00:23:38.720 We just need to hang in there

00:23:40.280 and have a little bit more patience.

00:23:42.120 Thanks for tuning in.

00:23:43.520 I love you all.

00:23:44.620 Have a great weekend, Patriots.

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