The CBC, otherwise known as the propaganda arm of the Liberal Party, did something that nobody expected. They actually turned on the Liberals. This is the beginning of the end for Mark Carney. Remember, once Canadians realized that Mark Carney misled them, especially about his ability to deal with Donald Trump, they'd turn on him.
00:00:26.260You were elected, I think it's fair to say, in part, to deal with Donald Trump.
00:00:31.540But since the election, you have dropped retaliatory tariffs, you've given up the digital services tax,
00:00:37.260and you apologized for an ad that the Premier of Ontario ran.
00:00:40.860So I'm going to stop the interview for a second. Look at Mark Carney's face right here.
00:00:44.500Look at that smirk. He thinks he's so smart. He thinks he's so clever.
00:00:48.900However, the smirk quickly drops from his face once he realizes this interview is not his usual softball interview.
00:00:55.660It's not the kind of interview you would expect from CBC. No. This is something completely different.
00:01:01.080I guess Canadians might want to know whether we are any further ahead for doing or not doing any of those things.
00:01:06.960Well, we are in a lot better position than we were nine months ago.
00:01:10.460The challenge remains that the United States has fundamentally changed its trading relationships with everybody in the world, Canada included.
00:01:16.240But one of the points I made right from the start when I was running to be leader of the Liberal Party and then running in the general election is we need to control what we can't control.
00:01:26.460We can't necessarily control Donald Trump. I think everyone's figured that out.
00:01:30.180Or the United States of America. What we can control is what we build here at home.
00:01:34.840Look at the progress we've made. One Canadian Economy Act.
00:01:37.360OK, we'll go into this, but it's important to underscore because this is what's going to make the big difference for Canadians.
00:01:41.520Sorry, can I finish? Man, we're not even two minutes into this interview.
00:01:46.200Mark Carney is already trying to gaslight Canadians on national television.
00:01:51.000He thinks people are stupid. At least he thinks the people that are watching this video are stupid.
00:01:56.440He thinks he's just going to weasel his way out of this one.
00:01:59.440However, for some odd reason that I'm going to speculate on later, Rosemary Byrne is actually being a real journalist for once.
00:02:08.140We've made huge progress in terms of building here at home, massive progress on new trade deals and relationships abroad.
00:02:16.420All of that puts us in a stronger position as a country, more independent, better future, stronger negotiating position with the United States.
00:02:25.700And that's the other piece of what you were. That's the other piece that you were elected on.
00:02:29.540But you were also elected on standing up to Donald Trump and getting a deal with him.
00:02:45.460Better is always possible, Rosemary. We can always do better than where we are.
00:02:49.700And we look to do better. But if you look at where we are, relative to other countries, 85% of our trade, as you know, is tariff-free.
00:02:58.620We have unparalleled access relative to other countries, including Mexico, our partner in Cozumont, to the U.S. market.
00:03:06.960Now, we are just entering the next phase of these discussions, negotiations.
00:03:11.980There'll be negotiations in the end around the review of Cozumont.
00:03:15.300Now, in case you missed it, this interview and what I showed you right here, this is the beginning of the end for Mark Carney.
00:03:21.900Remember I said that once Canadians realized that Mark Carney misled them, especially about his ability to deal with Donald Trump, they'd turn on him.
00:03:30.100This is the beginning of the end right here. It's starting.
00:03:33.880Even Mark Carney's own propagandists are turning on him.
00:05:45.380Our discussions, my discussions with the president, President Trump, as have been President Sheinbaum's discussion with President Trump, has been there will be a review and adjustment to Kuzma, USMCA, as the Americans call it.
00:05:59.040Not that there will be any, as you just said.
00:06:04.600The sectoral tariffs that you seem to be close to dealing with, whether it was reducing them or getting rid of them, is that not part of the negotiation?
00:06:13.520That will necessarily be part of the negotiation.
00:06:18.860From our perspective, those are hugely important.
00:06:21.080And look, the United States needs to make a choice around these, which is, does it recognize, appreciate that the U.S. itself is in a stronger position if there is relatively free and free movement of automobiles, steel, aluminum, lumber, aerospace across the U.S. border or not?
00:07:07.680And we're going to continue to deepen our trading relationships abroad.
00:07:10.720Both of those things are good in and of themselves, but both of them put us in a stronger position with the U.S.
00:07:16.520We are in a stronger position today with the United States than we were at the start of the year.
00:07:21.880But only because, and I shouldn't diminish it, not only because, but because of what you're trying to do inside the Canadian economy, not because of anything that you've gotten from Donald Trump.
00:07:31.720Well, we did get what we what we got is in August 1st is the president confirmed that 85 percent of trade being tariff free, the best deal of any country with the United States.
00:07:45.420That's having the best deal is pretty good, Rosie.
00:07:47.900Now, as I said a moment ago, it can be better.
00:07:51.460It's in, obviously, Canada's interest for it to be better.
00:07:54.700We will do other things at the same time.
00:07:57.180We think it's in the U.S. interest as well, but the U.S. will make that choice.
00:09:02.960He respects that the UAE wants to invest $70 billion or intends to invest $70 billion in Canada.
00:09:09.080He respects that we have launched trade negotiations with India, that we have a rapprochement with China, that we are deepening our defense partnership with Europe, that we are increasing our defense spending, bringing it towards that 5%.
00:09:24.320Yes, he does respect those steps that we've taken.
00:09:26.860All of those steps are in Canada's interest.
00:09:29.480All of those steps are in Canada's interest.
00:09:33.480So that is also part of, I think, your response to what is happening with the United States, as you said, India and China.
00:09:38.460This past spring, though, you said that China is Canada's biggest security threat.
00:09:42.880Does that mean that we are taking a risk by aligning ourselves further economically or otherwise because of that, because it is, in your view, our biggest security threat?
00:10:17.380So are the group, all of which we're working on, first point.
00:10:20.000The risks, and then the question is how deep is the relationship and how clear are the guardrails around that relationship?
00:10:29.240And there are areas, artificial intelligence, critical minerals, defense, where clearly the security threats are such that we would not have a deep relationship with China in those areas.
00:10:40.800We would not have deep relationship with many countries in those areas.
00:10:43.800There's certain partners, European Union is one, UK is another, where we would.
00:10:48.220But we have a strategic question for our country.
00:10:51.540How deep those relationships are in those areas with the United States, given our deep integration already with the United States and given the shifting trading relationship.
00:13:54.860It's hard to understand how removing things, policies, that are not going to get us to the targets and potentially building another pipeline will get us there.
00:14:03.540Rosemary, what gets us there is doing things.
00:14:07.820And saying that we won't do things and then nothing happening does not, it does not progress.
00:14:16.820This government is 100% focused on doing things that are going to reduce emissions.
00:14:21.380We are going to grow clean energy in this country at a scale never seen before.
00:14:26.340We put in tax credits in the last budget worth, should be worth more than $40 billion over the course of the budget just from the investment that comes from that.
00:14:38.600But we're not just putting tax credits and saying, well, if we put the tax credits in, let them come.
00:14:42.900No, we spend time with the government of Newfoundland and Labrador, with Quebec, with Ontario, with Alberta, with British Columbia to get this moving because we recognize, and I think all the premiers do recognize, that we need to get moving.
00:14:59.640Stephen Gilboa also said that he really believed that this deal was in part because of your concerns around the rise of separatism in Alberta.
00:15:07.720I think it's incredibly important as part of the responsibility of the prime minister, whatever prime minister, to work with provinces, to work with indigenous peoples, to work with labor, to work with all Canadians for common objectives.
00:15:25.080Look, I recognize that part of the reason why things haven't been moving in Alberta and other parts of the country is there has been a sense of being dictated to by Ottawa.
00:15:41.460Now, Daniel Smith and I, Premier Smith and I, don't agree about everything, but we do agree that we want to move forward.
00:15:48.160So we sat down, our team sat down, we worked this out over several months, we have a plan to move forward.
00:15:53.580But does that not destabilize the rest of the country?
00:15:57.420Now you have British Columbia upset that they weren't consulted in advance and not in favor of what you've put on the table.
00:16:19.000The MOU is one piece of a broader puzzle.
00:16:20.680I will point out the Prime Minister, the Premier of Quebec, as did the Premier of Ontario, as did the Premier of Nova Scotia, as did the Premier of Saskatchewan, as did the Premier of Manitoba.
00:16:46.140Now we start those discussions with British Columbia, British Columbia with whom we are producing the world's first, you know, zero carbon copper mine.
00:17:00.020That we are creating a northwest corridor in British Columbia of clean energy, a conservation area the size of Greece, and unlocking the world's lowest carbon LNG in the same time.
00:17:13.500In partnership with BC, these link together, or they have the potential link together.
00:17:18.680But these are decisions that we'll take as governments, as different parties.
00:17:27.460More of my conversation with Prime Minister Mark Carney.
00:17:31.340When I spoke to Pierre Polyev recently, his message to you was that if you want a majority, you have to go back to the Canadian people to get it, and not do it, by his words, dirty backroom deals.
00:17:52.220Are you comfortable getting a majority by people crossing the floor?
00:17:55.720Well, we're in a parliament, and when we pass legislation, we need more people voting for it than against it.
00:18:02.520I mean, that's the way, last time I checked, that's the way parliament works.
00:18:05.260Right, but that's not what you're doing now.
00:18:07.000Now you're attracting MPs to the party.
00:18:10.300MPs are attracted to what we're doing.
00:18:13.440So there's no active recruitment happening?
00:18:16.540Premiers are attracted to what we're doing.
00:18:18.700I want to go back to what my question was, which was, are you comfortable getting a majority government through people crossing the floor?
00:18:24.040I am comfortable commanding the confidence of the House of Commons, and getting through the House of Commons, getting support in the House of Commons, and votes, obviously votes and support in the House of Commons, for legislation that is going to protect Canadian communities, that's going to build this country, that's going to make our country more independent, more sustainable, more prosperous.
00:18:44.520Are there Conservative MPs you would not accept into the Liberal caucus?
00:18:47.380Look, if people come to me, I make a judgment.
00:18:52.920Someone who is pro-life or anti-trans, would you accept that person into your Congress?
00:18:56.260I mean, we're in multiple hypotheticals.
00:19:06.820Is there an active recruitment of MPs from other parties happening?
00:19:11.040I think that there is a spectrum of MPs with varying degrees of recognition of the serious situation the country is in, varying degrees of recognition that we need action, not slogans, that we need cooperation with the provinces, that we need to come together and work together.
00:19:31.260Then those individuals face their own decisions about how they can best support that agenda.
00:19:38.860My job, my job as Prime Minister, our job as the government is to put forward our best view of that agenda.
00:19:45.540Yes, we will compromise in legislation in committees.
00:19:48.440You've seen some of that, the border bill, there's compromise, there's compromise on C9, there's other adjustments made in legislation.
00:19:55.380We will make adjustment for legislation to get through.
00:19:57.980But yes, if somebody sees that, as Mr. Dantremont and Mr. Ma both saw, that they can support the broad direction of the government, and they want to join the governing party, then they have and they will, and they're very much welcome.
00:20:13.820As you said, you weren't in this space a year ago, the political arena, not formally, anyway.
00:20:19.900You were considering things, I think that's fair to say.
00:20:21.720What has surprised you about this job, as someone who has led these big organizations and done other things, what is surprising about this role?
00:20:30.720I think, I mean, there's, I mean, the main thing that jumps out at me is something I knew but hadn't experienced.
00:20:36.720So, in that regard, it's surprising just how real, the relentless nature of the job, it's obviously 24-7, 365, and just the span of issues for which you're ultimately responsible in this role.
00:20:51.720Of course, the way to run big, complex organizations with many responsibilities is you delegate responsibility and…
00:21:22.720People don't all say the same thing at the same time.
00:21:23.720But that is the challenging part of the job.
00:21:25.720Is it not that sometimes you have people who are not happy with what you're doing, openly critical of it, willing to walk away from cabinet, for instance?
00:21:32.720Look, would I rather that, if we bring it back to Stephen Dubow, for whom I have tremendous respect, would I rather he had stayed in cabinet?
00:21:45.720Would I rather he had been there to see what transpires with the Alberta MOU, to see our climate strategy come out, our nature strategy come out early in the new year, both of which, both of which will happen?
00:27:47.720But what I am saying is that if it does happen, let it happen.
00:27:51.720If there's a conservative MP that could be bought with money and pieces of silver and whatever the liberals want to give them, let it happen.
00:28:00.720Because when Polyev gets into power, which is going to happen eventually, he needs people he can trust.
00:28:05.720And if he has MPs that are on his team that are the kind of people that can be bought off, he's better off without them.
00:28:12.720Because like I said, Polyev is going to get into power sooner rather than later.
00:28:18.720Well, watch the recent CTV video I put out where the panelists, including Vashti Capello's, were even at least suggesting that Polyev will win the next election.