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00:00:00.320 Carney's in serious trouble. He's set to meet with American President Donald Trump next week,

00:00:05.620 and even the CTV admits it's not going to go well for him.

00:00:08.980 Let's watch this clip, then stick around to the end for some commentary.

00:00:12.620 All right, good to have you with us here. Breaking news as we follow this story out of

00:00:16.040 Ottawa and out of Washington, D.C. Prime Minister Mark Carney will be heading to the U.S. Capitol

00:00:20.480 next week, Tuesday, to try and find some kind of a trade deal with the United States

00:00:24.760 amid Donald Trump's trade war against Canada. The Prime Minister will be meeting face-to-face

00:00:29.980 with Donald Trump. This will actually be their second meeting since Mark Carney

00:00:34.100 became Prime Minister. The two men are set to get along well. The President is set to

00:00:37.960 like Mark Carney, and that often makes a difference when it comes to Trump and his

00:00:42.360 sort of transactional style of politics. The reality, though, Canada dealing with a

00:00:47.120 trade war through no fault of our own, targeting our steel, aluminum, car sectors,

00:00:52.380 softwood, lumber, you name it. Former Foreign Affairs Minister Peter McKay was on our

00:00:56.800 show earlier, talking a little bit about what this meeting might mean, and also Donald Trump's

00:01:01.920 continued insults about Canada. Listen to this.

00:01:04.700 As long as this continued reference to the 51st state remains foremost in the president's mind,

00:01:12.560 this is not an atmosphere that is going to make these type of negotiations easy, and it's

00:01:18.620 something that absolutely enrages Canadians and isn't going to happen.

00:01:23.740 It does absolutely enrage Canadians, and it also enrages Tom Mulcair, who is my guest joining us

00:01:28.780 from Quebec, CTV News political commentator, former leader of the NDP. Tom, good to see you.

00:01:33.840 Good to see you, Todd.

00:01:35.000 All right, so what's going to come of this meeting? What do you think?

00:01:37.240 I go back to something that Carney said early on in this effort. He said, no deal is better than a

00:01:45.220 bad deal. So if he's getting on a plane and flying to Washington, he has enough of an indication

00:01:50.440 that there are a certain number of things within reach. You know, there were indications this week

00:01:55.040 that we would somehow be opening up supply management on dairy and allowing American milk onto the shelves

00:02:00.400 of Canadian grocery stores. Now, that's not the end of the world in and of itself, except for the fact

00:02:04.380 that Parliament enacted something just before the summer is saying in any trade deal, you can't touch

00:02:10.080 supply management. So the way they're trying to describe it is we're not really affecting supply

00:02:14.520 management, but there would be more American milk. Anxious to see how that actually works. But it's the

00:02:19.760 type of thing that has to be discussed. The Canadian forest product industry, the Canadian wood furniture

00:02:25.740 industry are just getting pummeled, and these are big industries. And so we've got to start talking

00:02:31.380 about it. And it has to dovetail with the eventual discussions around the renewal, because next year

00:02:38.560 we have to renew the Canada-US-Mexico deal. So we can't go off in one direction where we couldn't

00:02:43.020 bring the Mexicans because we want to be in lockstep with them. And we also want to be able to have

00:02:47.140 something to build on next year and not upset the whole apple cart again, because it's the uncertainty

00:02:51.400 and the chaos of Donald Trump more than anything else that's been hurting us.

00:02:55.480 Some people might think, Tom, that the two leaders, you know, kind of get together and they hammer out a deal

00:03:00.380 in person. But as you know, there's a whole lot of negotiating that happens in advance of a meeting

00:03:04.700 of this type of thing. A lot of the hard stuff is dealt with before the two men are going to actually

00:03:09.800 get together. And you're just indicating there that in order for Carney to go to Washington,

00:03:14.360 it would seem possibly maybe that there's some kind of an off ramp to this trade deal. What do

00:03:19.260 you think? Am I being naive? There would have to be. Yes, I don't think that Prime Minister Carney

00:03:23.420 would be getting on a plane and flying to Washington. But believe it or not, Donald Trump actually does

00:03:28.380 know quite a bit about negotiating and putting Carney on the plane and bringing him to Washington 0.92

00:03:33.540 in Trump's worldview would be, OK, now I've got the sucker here and I can basically, you know, 0.73

00:03:40.140 put in whatever I want. I think the two people primarily are responsible for moving this thing 0.61

00:03:44.720 ahead. It's Dominic LeBlanc on the Canadian side. I think he's done sterling work. And Howard

00:03:49.220 Lutnick on the American side. Of course, he's got to play the Trump game. But he's a heck of a lot

00:03:53.420 smarter than Trump. And I think that he's got the ability to put something on the table

00:03:56.620 that helps the Americans because, of course, that's his only job is to help Americans.

00:04:00.980 But he's also understanding that what was done with Canada is having negative effects

00:04:05.820 on American consumers, first and foremost. You know, you talk about increasing the price

00:04:10.160 of wood. OK, so Trump says that's billions of dollars that drops, you know, drop into the

00:04:14.780 conference of the U.S. Treasury. Fine. But who's paying that? It's not Canada. It's not

00:04:19.540 the Canadian companies. It's American consumers. So you go to buy a house in the States and the

00:04:24.360 price will have gone up 15 or 20 grand. You go to buy a Silverado pickup truck and the price has

00:04:29.920 gone up five to seven grand because of what Trump has just put in place. So, yes, the immediate

00:04:36.260 impact is money coming into the States and Americans say that's good for us. But then they realize that

00:04:41.700 it's them who's paying it, not Canada, not Canadian companies, American consumers. It's taken a while,

00:04:46.980 but that's starting to sink in. Other question for you. We know that the Canadian economy could be

00:04:52.160 already in a recession. We know there's clearly a slowdown happening in the American economy as

00:04:56.940 well. How much of a factor are those on what's happening here in this meeting between the two

00:05:01.160 men? If there's one thing that Mark Carney knows better than any other leader in the G7, it's how

00:05:06.180 economics work. And he understands that Canada is in a tough position right now. When Trudeau came

00:05:12.200 to power, he said, well, money's cheap. I'm going to spend a lot more than what we're taking in. So

00:05:16.400 deficit spending to the tune of 100 billion before the pandemic, because the liberals love talking about

00:05:21.640 the pandemic, but a lot of their increased spending was before. Then we spent another half a trillion

00:05:27.040 dollars or so overall that Trudeau had extra spending. And now we're facing another crisis,

00:05:33.820 which is the tariff crisis with the Americans. And the cupboard is bare. We're heading for a massive

00:05:38.500 deficit this year and no real plan to get to anything resembling a balanced budget anytime in

00:05:43.620 the near future. So I have my own view of this because I fought for balanced budgets against Trudeau in

00:05:49.940 2015. We didn't win. Trudeau won. And he got to spend all that money. But now we're paying a heavy

00:05:54.740 price for it because you have to save something for the rainy day. And we had a massive series of

00:06:00.100 rainy days with the pandemic. And now another rainy day with Trump. And we've got no ability to deal

00:06:04.900 with it. If there's one person who can, it's Carney, because he's been talking to the big lenders in

00:06:10.060 Europe, notably and saying, we're going to change our financial rules, our fiscal rules, our tax rules,

00:06:14.300 we'll make life easier for you. We've got these big projects we want to build.

00:06:17.320 That is a way of building a better and stronger economy for the future. That's what they keep

00:06:22.080 calling transformational. And I buy into that. I think that that argument actually holds.

00:06:26.580 Now the proof, of course, of the pudding is going to be in the eating. And we're going to see

00:06:30.620 what we can get out of this meeting with Trump. And beyond that, start building new trade partnerships

00:06:35.840 around the world and start building larger infrastructure projects to solidify our economy

00:06:40.280 for the future. I think that's the right track.

00:06:42.720 One final question. We never know how these meetings will go with Donald Trump. And as we

00:06:48.480 know, with some other leaders, they can blow up spectacularly. Is there always a risk here for Mark

00:06:53.460 Carney that this could go sideways quickly?

00:06:57.080 Absolutely. And just going back to what we were saying, the very fact that he's bringing

00:07:00.860 Carney into his den is from a Trump point of view. This is OK, I've got this guy here now.

00:07:06.680 He's got to announce something so I can try to beat some more stuff out of him. That's the Trump

00:07:12.120 way of dealing with things. He's been dealing with the world that way for 50 years. He's not

00:07:16.580 about to change for us. So, yeah, I think that there are always dangers on this. You know, but I do

00:07:21.880 think that there has to be a time for good faith. And if it's not with Donald Trump, because

00:07:26.420 he's a serial liar, then it might be with Lutnik and with the more serious people in the 0.74

00:07:31.860 U.S. Senate and in the House of Representatives, many of whom have, you know, they have areas of 0.66

00:07:39.000 the country that are hurting themselves because of these tariffs. So I think that they've been

00:07:44.020 able to talk up and explain, you know, a lot of Republicans are being hurt by this. Let's get a

00:07:48.800 new deal. Tom Mulcair, a CTV News political commentator, former leader of the NDP, joining

00:07:54.080 us from Quebec. Thanks for this, Tom. All the best. Have a great weekend, Tom. You as well.

00:07:58.260 Now, of course, I don't agree with everything Mulcair said. However, I do agree that Mark

00:08:02.420 Carney is unlikely to get a good deal with Donald Trump. Mark Carney promised us he would. He said

00:08:07.600 he was the chosen one, the right one, the only one that could go down and get a deal with Trump.

00:08:12.520 And now we've all learned that was a false promise. Quite frankly, I'm looking forward to

00:08:16.440 Trump humiliating Carney again in front of the whole world. And that way, liberal voters can

00:08:20.840 understand the mistake they made in voting for that clown. Now, of course, if we had Paulie Evan 0.97

00:08:25.200 office, we'd have a good deal not only with Trump, but also with China. Instead, we have to deal with

00:08:30.700 crippling tariffs, and that's on top of the out-of-control crime and immigration. But like 1.00

00:08:35.720 I've said numerous times, I truly believe Carney's days are numbered. The good news? Mark Carney faces

00:08:41.060 a no-confidence vote over the budget next month. I just put out a video about that, so if you haven't

00:08:46.220 seen it, check it out after this one. Be patient. Have some faith. We'll have Paulie Evan office soon

00:08:52.120 enough. Have a great weekend, Patriots.

🚫CTV TURNS On Carney Over Trump Meeting

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