Mark Slapinski

00:00:00.000 In a shocking twist of events, Carney's former cabinet minister, Stephen Guilbeault,

00:00:04.500 admitted during an interview with CTV that the liberal government is a complete mess.

00:00:09.180 Let's watch what he said and then stick around to the end for some commentary.

00:00:12.740 That's Stephen Guilbeault ahead of his first liberal caucus meeting since quitting cabinet

00:00:16.320 over last week's federal energy agreement with Alberta, a deal that would see the feds waive

00:00:20.400 clean energy regulations in exchange for the province negotiating an increased industrial

00:00:24.660 carbon price, all in pursuit of a new bitumen pipeline to the Pacific.

00:00:28.600 Something Mr. Guilbeault said he couldn't back, calling the agreement a, quote, serious

00:00:32.420 mistake.

00:00:33.140 But he has decided to stay in the liberal caucus and Mr. Guilbeault is with us live in studio

00:00:37.840 right now.

00:00:38.320 Hi there.

00:00:38.700 Good to see you.

00:00:39.180 Thank you very much for making the time.

00:00:40.300 My pleasure, Vashi.

00:00:41.040 Have you had any regrets since your decision?

00:00:43.080 No, I've not.

00:00:44.240 Why not?

00:00:44.860 It's a tough decision.

00:00:46.960 I mean, as a cabinet minister, you have a responsibility to tell your prime minister

00:00:51.020 what you feel is the right thing or the wrong thing to do.

00:00:54.860 And if you disagree with a policy or a decision by the government in our parliamentary system,

00:01:00.260 then as a cabinet minister, your only recourse is to leave.

00:01:03.860 And this is what I did.

00:01:04.920 So I had read a story, and maybe it was wrong, but it seemed, you know, well-placed the night

00:01:09.720 before you quit, essentially saying a source close to you was saying that you were going

00:01:13.580 to remain in cabinet because you felt you could have more influence, essentially, over

00:01:17.280 the direction of climate policy or what was to come than outside of cabinet.

00:01:21.140 You know, less than 24 hours later, you quit.

00:01:24.000 What changed in that period?

00:01:26.120 I mean, when I, from the first moment, I saw a draft of the agreement, the memorandum of

00:01:33.980 understanding between the federal government and Alberta, I voiced my strong opposition.

00:01:41.540 And I told people, I told those people who were with me that I understood that me opposing

00:01:48.880 this would have some consequences, i.e. me leaving cabinet.

00:01:53.520 And from that day on, Tuesday, Wednesday, tried to work, like, are there changes that could

00:02:02.580 be made to the agreement?

00:02:04.820 But by then, it was pretty baked in.

00:02:07.200 And the changes that were made were largely cosmetic and didn't change the nature of the

00:02:14.600 agreement.

00:02:14.920 Like, I felt, and I feel, we left a lot on the table for not getting a lot in return.

00:02:21.960 This idea that we have to abandon our clean electricity regulation that will help us clean

00:02:27.580 up our electricity grid across the country for decades to come in exchange for Alberta putting

00:02:33.180 a better price on pollution.

00:02:34.600 They already have to do that because of the federal pricing system. 0.93

00:02:38.880 So we're not getting anything in return.

00:02:41.400 Alberta is not giving us, giving Canadians a better deal out of that.

00:02:47.000 I have supported the Pathways project to capture carbon and store it in the ground for many years.

00:02:54.600 But people have to understand that it's not a magic bullet.

00:02:58.020 It will help reduce pollution from the oil sands sector by about 12%.

00:03:03.820 It's not 50%.

00:03:05.320 It's certainly not 100%.

00:03:06.740 It's 12%.

00:03:07.500 And 12% is not nothing.

00:03:09.440 But it will still make oil sands, oil, one of the most carbon intensive in the world.

00:03:16.160 Like, right now, it's about 10 times more pollution intensive than oil that's produced in Newfoundland,

00:03:21.280 for example.

00:03:21.700 So it's going to be slightly better, but it will be nowhere near what's produced, even in other parts of Canada,

00:03:27.760 let alone the North Sea or elsewhere in the world.

00:03:31.500 The grand bargain and all that you just said, you know, we put to your colleagues,

00:03:35.640 including the person who succeeded you in this position in the days in the wake of your exit,

00:03:40.380 on multiple occasions, in great detail, like how the thesis that they seem to be putting forward is

00:03:47.260 the increase, whatever we're able to negotiate in the form of an increase to the industrial price on carbon

00:03:52.840 will mitigate the impact of the rollback of these other policies.

00:03:57.180 Is that possible?

00:03:59.280 Well, I mean, not with the current agreement.

00:04:01.740 But to mitigate the losses of measures we're willing to leave on the table in order to get this agreement with Alberta,

00:04:13.120 the price on pollution would have to be almost three times as high as what is currently being proposed.

00:04:19.720 So there's an Environment Canada estimates that to get to the same result in terms of reduction of pollution,

00:04:26.040 just using industrial carbon pricing and taking clean electricity regulation out of the equation,

00:04:31.840 you'd have to have a price on pollution of about $400 a ton.

00:04:36.080 And we're talking right now about $130 a ton.

00:04:39.280 So, I mean, the math doesn't add up.

00:04:41.860 And frankly, I think that my government needs to be honest with Canadians,

00:04:46.140 with the rollbacks that we've seen over the past few months on different climate change measures

00:04:51.120 that have been adopted over the years by me and some of my predecessors.

00:04:56.040 It is impossible to see how we achieve our 2030 targets.

00:05:01.800 And we knew it was going to be difficult.

00:05:03.740 When I was minister, you and I have had this conversation.

00:05:07.040 We knew it was going to be challenging.

00:05:09.980 It's impossible now.

00:05:11.700 And I think we need to come clean.

00:05:13.300 We need to tell Canadians it won't work. 1.00

00:05:16.280 We won't get there.

00:05:17.440 And the prime minister, he's the prime minister.

00:05:19.440 If he wants another strategy, he wants another approach, he can do that.

00:05:23.220 But we also have to tell Canadians what's the new plan and what does that plan lead us to.

00:05:29.560 What Gilboa is essentially admitting right here is that Carney alienated the eco-radicals on the left

00:05:33.900 by capitulating to Daniel Smith's demands.

00:05:36.640 There's a large percentage of left-wingers that hate pipelines

00:05:38.920 because they believe they're quote-unquote bad for the environment.

00:05:42.420 Gilboa admits that Canada won't meet its 2030 climate change targets.

00:05:45.700 It makes you wonder whether it was worth going for these targets in the first place.

00:05:49.720 The general government wasted so much money because they chose to virtue signal

00:05:53.420 instead of trying to make Canada the economic powerhouse that it could have been.

00:05:57.460 I'll have more to say on that later.

00:05:58.660 But first, my channel is being heavily censored.

00:06:01.340 So if you see this, let me know in the comment section.

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00:06:06.140 Thank you.

00:06:06.580 Right now, even achieving net zero, so carbon neutrality by 2050,

00:06:12.060 it is very hard for me to see how we get there with what has been announced so far.

00:06:17.320 So you think even that target is in jeopardy now?

00:06:20.340 Yes. Yes.

00:06:22.100 Did you convey this at any point to the prime minister?

00:06:24.980 Like was there, not to say that you would disclose all the details,

00:06:28.760 but like has there been a frank conversation about this

00:06:31.420 between you and the prime minister specifically?

00:06:33.280 Last week I've had a couple of conversations with the prime minister

00:06:37.920 and they were very honest and frank and respectful

00:06:41.140 where I told them many of the things that I'm telling you now

00:06:47.980 and where eventually I told them that I was no longer the person

00:06:51.860 to be able to help him continue, support his agenda on this issue.

00:06:59.280 Now, why stay in caucus?

00:07:00.800 You beat me to the punch, right?

00:07:04.020 And I'll frame the question if you don't lie,

00:07:06.000 because I think a lot of Canadians watching would ask that question.

00:07:08.480 If you don't feel like you can defend, you know, on principle, essentially,

00:07:12.880 you have to resign from cabinet because of the agenda that they're pursuing,

00:07:16.640 how can you stay in the government, period?

00:07:19.040 Well, I have a profound disagreement with the prime minister

00:07:23.100 on how he and his team want to continue moving forward on climate change.

00:07:29.060 And as I said, I don't see the plan.

00:07:31.280 I don't see the math right now.

00:07:33.700 And maybe they can prove me wrong in the coming months.

00:07:37.080 That being said, I still think that the best person to serve Canadians

00:07:40.500 and to help us, to guide us through those difficult times we're going through

00:07:44.780 is Mark Kearney.

00:07:46.780 Without Prime Minister Kearney, we would not have had the historic investment

00:07:50.860 in the arts and culture that was in the last budget.

00:07:54.280 We certainly wouldn't have measures that continue to support Canadians 1.00

00:07:59.880 like child care, like dental care.

00:08:02.220 The Conservative Party of Canada have said time and time again

00:08:04.440 that they would get rid of those measures.

00:08:06.060 These measures are helping people,

00:08:07.620 like thousands of dollars back in the pockets of Canadians.

00:08:11.640 And why do something so politically damaging to the prime minister

00:08:16.580 in removing yourself from cabinet?

00:08:18.700 Why not stay around the table and fight for the things

00:08:21.540 that you're describing tonight?

00:08:23.480 I mean, I've tried to do that with as much tact as I could.

00:08:28.280 Like, I didn't leave the room throwing grenades around

00:08:31.260 and accusing people of this and that.

00:08:35.080 I think I've been very respectful of the prime minister and the government.

00:08:38.780 But I felt that I owed it to him, to my colleagues and to my constituent

00:08:45.820 to be true to myself and to be able to look myself in the mirror.

00:08:49.680 Like, I don't know, Vashi, how I would have been able to say with a straight face

00:08:54.860 that this is an agreement that I can support.

00:08:57.480 Now, I support the prime minister's intention of making sure

00:09:00.780 that all Canadians feel they have a place in the federation.

00:09:04.220 But we played in that movie before.

00:09:06.720 We bought a pipeline.

00:09:08.280 We announced that before the 2019 election.

00:09:10.960 And we lost all our seats in Alberta and Saskatchewan in a 2019 election.

00:09:15.680 But maybe because it wasn't about the seats.

00:09:18.320 Like, how is it okay to buy that pipeline but not build another one?

00:09:22.200 Like, you stood by that prime minister then.

00:09:24.260 Actually, I never supported that pipeline.

00:09:26.540 You didn't, but you still stayed in cabinet.

00:09:28.300 No, I wasn't in cabinet when that decision was made.

00:09:30.880 And when I ran in 2019, I specifically said that I disagreed with the pipeline.

00:09:35.480 But I agreed with many of the other things that the prime minister,

00:09:39.340 the prime minister of its time, Prime Minister Trudeau,

00:09:40.740 was doing specifically on climate change and nature.

00:09:44.020 And as you know, politics is about compromise.

00:09:47.180 In a country of 40 million people, you know you're not going to win all your battles.

00:09:51.300 But at some point, you have to draw land in the sand and say,

00:09:55.220 this is a place where I can't go and respectfully say that I have to leave cabinet.

00:10:02.580 Do you think that, you know, you can remain in, like, you plan to remain?

00:10:07.440 Like, do you plan to run in the next election, for example, under the liberal banner?

00:10:10.780 Like, do you, or are you seriously considering your future outside of just cabinet because of this?

00:10:16.280 I plan to stay a member of the liberal caucus and to continue to play an active role on these issues that are important to me.

00:10:25.700 Certainly, environment, climate change, nature, culture as well.

00:10:29.340 I was culture minister twice, 2019 to 21, and until recently, I identified culture and nature.

00:10:37.700 I honestly, the dust is still settling, so it's my decision of last week.

00:10:44.560 But I'm definitely there for the coming months.

00:10:47.500 So you haven't decided beyond that?

00:10:50.500 Let's talk, let's have another conversation.

00:10:52.900 I will definitely invite you.

00:10:53.980 I just wanted to ask one final question, because as we were speaking, I was thinking, like,

00:10:57.060 you know, to be fair to the prime minister, he hasn't made a secret of his economic agenda, right?

00:11:01.740 And he's been clear right through the election around the desire to make Canada a conventional,

00:11:07.800 an energy superpower, but inclusive in that conventional.

00:11:10.740 I can think of the first interview I conducted with him after the swearing-in ceremony,

00:11:13.880 in which I asked about some key environmental policies that Alberta had identified as irritants to development.

00:11:18.660 He indicated even then that he was open to rolling them back because of his desire to see big projects and big things get done.

00:11:26.700 Like, why now is this such a surprise, in a way?

00:11:29.900 Like, what did he not disclose that prompted this drastic of a decision?

00:11:36.280 Well, I mean, I certainly support the—I think that there's been mixed messages that have been sent over time.

00:11:44.960 I certainly support the idea of making sure that, you know, Canada is an energy superpower.

00:11:51.760 In my view and the view of many of my colleagues, this is a green superpower, critical minerals, renewable energy, clean technologies.

00:12:01.620 And there are many of these things that are part of the plan right now that I still support.

00:12:06.520 So is oil and gas.

00:12:07.320 But this idea that—and I was even willing to entertain a conversation about a pipeline, if done properly.

00:12:20.220 One of the things that was difficult with the agreement was the fact that we had made an agreement with Elizabeth May from the Greens

00:12:27.160 to support us to support us in the budget by not including a specific subsidy to oil and gas.

00:12:31.720 And it's explicitly stated in the budget that we wouldn't do that.

00:12:36.040 And then we turned around two weeks later and we put it in this agreement with Alberta.

00:12:41.640 That was—I was one of the person who was asked to work with Ms. May.

00:12:47.000 Did you help convince her to support the budget?

00:12:48.720 I did. I wasn't the only one, but I did.

00:12:52.260 And I felt that this was—this was not a genuine gesture on our part.

00:12:59.340 She supported us in good faith.

00:13:02.620 I don't think she will support us moving forward.

00:13:05.460 I think that bridge has been burned.

00:13:07.760 And to me, that was something that was difficult to accept.

00:13:12.240 I think—yes.

00:13:13.780 But again, like, I guess, I just wonder, like, he has made it explicit from the beginning that he wanted to see oil development.

00:13:21.680 Like, sort of.

00:13:22.500 You know, obviously his track record prior to is why conservatives doubted those statements.

00:13:25.940 But he has said it on numerous occasions.

00:13:28.140 Like, why, when it was in black and white, did it surprise you in the end?

00:13:31.280 Well, actually, our platform talked about making Canada an energy superpower.

00:13:36.460 But we weren't specific about projects and things we wanted to do.

00:13:41.960 And I understood why we—the Prime Minister—decided to get rid of the consumer carbon pricing.

00:13:48.360 Like, it was very controversial, politically controversial.

00:13:51.440 I understood when we decided to pause the regulation for electric vehicles.

00:13:56.640 The auto sector is going through a rough time right now.

00:13:59.720 But it was the accumulation of, like, abandoning the emissions on—the cap on emissions from the oil and gas sector.

00:14:08.900 However, if—even if we do pathways, so if we capture that carbon and we store it for oil sands, we'll be worst off from an emissions perspective, from a pollutions perspective, if we add another million barrels from a new pipeline, even with carbon capture and storage.

00:14:26.300 Then the current situation, we're worst off, according to a study by the Pembin Institute in Alberta.

00:14:33.120 So, it's the accumulation of these things that led me to this decision.

00:14:38.940 So, what Gilbo is hinting at right here is what I've been telling you for a while.

00:14:42.720 Carney is done.

00:14:43.980 He just doesn't know it yet.

00:14:45.360 Carney needs to move forward with natural resource projects in order to fulfill his campaign promise of standing up to Donald Trump and diversifying our trade exports.

00:14:53.360 However, Carney can't move forward with natural resource projects without alienating a large part of his base and pushing them to either the NDP or the Greens.

00:15:02.080 And that's what's happening.

00:15:03.600 Carney is in a really difficult situation right now.

00:15:06.240 But, I don't feel sorry for him because he dug himself into this hole.

00:15:10.420 And the good news for conservatives is that once a new election comes around, he won't be able to use Trump as the boogeyman to scare people away from the conservatives.

00:15:18.860 However, Gilbo isn't the only sitting left-wing politician to have his concerns about Mark Carney.

00:15:23.280 Not at all.

00:15:24.360 Even Elizabeth May of the Green Party says that if there's another confidence vote, she will vote no against Carney because she doesn't like what he's doing.

00:15:32.100 Even before Carney reached this deal with Alberta, there was already massive protests calling Carney out over his intention to start natural resource projects and to cut Trudeau-era red tape.

00:15:42.620 Now, I predict these protests are only going to get bigger.

00:15:45.260 This is why I continuously advocate for a strong right.

00:15:48.260 We need to stand united under Pierre Polyev.

00:15:51.280 Of course, we're going to have our differences, and that's natural.

00:15:55.220 But now is not the time to be divided.

00:15:57.500 Now is the time to be united.

00:15:58.940 Pierre Polyev is uniquely qualified to lead Canada, and he's the only person that I know of that will excite conservatives enough to go out and vote.

00:16:07.780 We need this guy around, and we need to be united.

00:16:10.420 It's the left that we want to be divided.

00:16:12.640 We want them to fight amongst themselves.

00:16:14.760 We want them to split their vote between the liberals, the greens, and the NDP.

00:16:18.760 But when it comes to right-wingers, everyone needs to get behind Polyev and vote blue.

00:16:23.620 And now you know why I'm so sick of political commentators like Mr. Crybaby that say bad things about Polyev, and that's why I'm glad more people are watching my videos and less people are watching his.

00:16:34.240 Like I always say, have a bit of patience, have a bit of faith.

00:16:38.060 We're going to win, and we're going to win big.

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00:16:52.380 Thanks for tuning in.

00:16:53.580 I love you all.

00:16:54.620 Have a great night.

00:16:55.640 Talk to you tomorrow, Patriots.

Guilbeault EXPOSES Carney’s Incompetence

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