Mark Slapinski

00:00:00.320 mark carney government is literally falling apart before our eyes a liberal mp was caught on tape 0.74

00:00:06.000 admitting that the gun buyback program is complete rubbish and now even the cbc even the cbc is

00:00:12.480 ripping them apart let's watch the segment together and stick around to the end for some commentary

00:00:17.840 canada's public safety minister is in hot water today after a conversation he had with his tenant

00:00:23.600 was leaked according to the toronto star minister gary ananda sangri told his tenant a gun owner

00:00:29.520 that they're forging ahead with the gun buyback program because of electoral pressures in quebec

00:00:35.200 the minister also said he would have a very different approach if he could start over from

00:00:40.160 scratch the star also reports that he offered to compensate his tenant if the government's

00:00:45.280 buyback program for his now banned guns wasn't sufficient enough the minister was asked about

00:00:51.200 these leaked remarks during question period today here's his response on sunday i had a conversation

00:00:57.520 with an individual that i've known for many years who recorded it without my knowledge and had it

00:01:02.800 leaked to a gun lobbyist in that conversation mr speaker the subject of the assault style firearms

00:01:09.360 buyback compensation program was discussed in trying to address in trying to address this issue mr

00:01:16.080 speaker the individual's frustration my cons my comments were misguided let's bring back the power

00:01:21.920 panel vandana cutter kate harrison brad levine and rob russo so vandana i'll start with you i wonder if

00:01:27.920 the tenant is looking for a new home today after recording his landlord and leaking it uh not uh not

00:01:36.960 necessarily great tenant relations there but seriously about the content of the conversation that

00:01:42.080 was recorded i mean it's not a great look if you're the minister who has to sell this gun buyback

00:01:46.880 program which if we're to believe the recording will be announced tomorrow now he's on tape kind

00:01:52.400 of undermining the whole thing not not very helpful is it yeah i mean i think uh mission on a song

00:01:58.240 great you know i think naivete he has put himself in an awkward situation i think he he said he meant

00:02:05.040 known this person for over like several years i believe it was 16 years he's known this tenant

00:02:09.360 clearly but didn't think he'd be recorded now what i think happened is that he didn't realize he'd be

00:02:14.480 unrecorded it sounded when i heard some of the recording that it wasn't going well the conversation

00:02:19.280 and he mentioned the tenant that he has ars and i think he said what he needs to say to get out of

00:02:24.880 a tricky situation um so not great but i don't think it changes anything about the minister himself

00:02:30.960 i mean i've known minister nansangri for many years i've doorknocked with him he's doing what

00:02:34.480 ministers supposed to which is having difficult conversations with people who may feel differently

00:02:38.960 about how you want to do policy and he shouldn't be afraid and generally about how about having

00:02:43.680 those conversations we need to have like politicians who are open to having conversations even with

00:02:48.400 those who disagree with him so i don't think it looks good for him i don't think it changes the

00:02:52.480 integrity of the minister or the work he's doing on this and i think it's a full confidence of the

00:02:56.800 prime minister okay in the recording the minister says the police don't have the resources to enforce

00:03:02.320 the gun buyback program in its entirety as it was kind of designed and as i told you in the

00:03:07.040 introduction there that they're really pressing ahead with it because of electoral considerations at the

00:03:11.520 quebec caucus and others in the province of quebec are pushing for this what's your take on this

00:03:16.320 recording there's two issues here there's the minister's conduct uh and then there's the gun

00:03:23.280 buyback program and the policy on the minister's conduct uh it's hard to claim political novice and

00:03:28.880 amateur uh when he's been a sitting mp i believe since 2015 he was also the justice minister i believe

00:03:34.800 also the crown indigenous minister at one point in time and is now serving in this cabinet there's

00:03:39.920 there's getting out of a sticky conversation and there's undermining your entire government's

00:03:44.000 um a core plank of your government's tough on crime uh legislation so uh he should absolutely

00:03:50.400 have have known better uh in the course of that conversation and unfortunately uh for the minister

00:03:55.360 it's not his first uh lapse in judgment uh so we will see uh if there's any kind of consequences for

00:04:01.200 that uh perhaps more gravely he has has undermined a very core pillar of the government's justice

00:04:07.520 strategy and approach he's he's admitting what many have already known for some time that the gun

00:04:12.480 buyback program will have precisely zero effect uh on gun violence in this country and now it's going

00:04:19.280 to be difficult for canadians to take that program seriously and the aims of that seriously when the

00:04:23.600 minister is out there undercutting his government's very policy the one that he's supposed to be

00:04:27.520 promoting himself yeah i think brad it's interesting that the minister also says essentially he would

00:04:32.880 not have stood up a program like this if he had it his way if they could start from scratch they

00:04:37.120 would not have implemented what's about to be implemented tomorrow potentially if we're to

00:04:41.840 believe again the recording and that they might have started fresh because there was this pressure

00:04:46.800 uh from quebec but also there was a feeling that you know it would be too politically risky to do away

00:04:53.520 with something like this but also this interesting factor he raises too that like maybe this government

00:04:59.040 is thinking about how to distance themselves from trudeau and they've decided to dump some of the

00:05:03.440 old liberal policies but this is one that they're going to keep around they're not going to get rid of

00:05:06.800 the firearm buyback program they're going to keep that one even though they're trying to distinguish

00:05:10.240 themselves from the trudeau liberals um you know what do you what do you make of this the poor minister

00:05:15.120 is probably horrible yeah no it's it's it's a bad situation for the minister and for this government

00:05:20.720 no question for these reasons uh and others and just to add to the to to i think the damage

00:05:25.920 is by undermining his own the program over which he sees he's admitting that this is a flawed program

00:05:32.800 but gosh darn it we're gonna go ahead with it it's like you know it's like it's it's it's it's

00:05:38.240 admitting that this is flawed but they're not going to change course when they have changed course on 0.95

00:05:44.000 other policies so it's not the inability to change course on public policy or even on promises they made

00:05:49.360 just a short few months ago during the election campaign there's other factors at play like internal

00:05:55.040 politics within the liberal caucus that is are driving in in their own opinion a flawed strategy

00:06:01.120 the second point i would raise is that this notion that the tenant gets the top up from the minister

00:06:08.560 himself if he is uh you know under under undercut in in the value of his the firearms that are going to be

00:06:17.280 part of the program that this individual would have what about the the other canadians i can only imagine

00:06:24.480 putting on my old practitioner's hat from parliament hill i'd get up every day in question period and

00:06:28.720 ask the minister will will he cover the costs for my uh uh constituents who feel that they got undercut

00:06:36.000 on the program again doesn't matter what you think about gun control this is beyond that now obviously

00:06:39.920 there's too many guns and a lot of the crime that's been committed in this country horrible crimes

00:06:44.480 have been committed from guns smuggled in from the united states and if we were you know in the elbows

00:06:48.800 up era we should be putting the idea of stopping the gun violence that's coming from u.s smuggled guns

00:06:55.920 in you know at the front and center of our gun control policy instead of admitting that they're

00:07:01.600 going ahead with a flawed trudeau era policy just really bad comms and jp i would set the clock on this

00:07:08.080 minister's time in this portfolio this afternoon yeah and just to explain what you were describing there

00:07:14.240 like because the gun buyback program will offer firearms owners a certain price for the firearms

00:07:19.600 right when they're taken in by police and when this program is up and running there is some concern

00:07:24.960 from firearms owners that the price they're going to be offered is not going to make them whole on

00:07:29.040 what they spent to purchase that firearm and essentially the minister is saying here i'll make

00:07:34.160 you whole you know i'll top you up i will pay the difference not uh i'm not sure if he was joking or

00:07:39.920 what the nature of those remarks were but not necessarily a great look from a minister of the

00:07:43.840 crown to be suggesting to a constituent that he would be paying him to essentially make him go away

00:07:49.040 or appease him for a program he doesn't like uh rob let's talk about gun crime because to kate's 1.00

00:07:56.640 earlier point about how you know maybe the issue and brad just mentioned it too maybe the issue isn't

00:08:01.840 actually these legal handguns or other firearms that are being brought in it's the americans again an issue

00:08:08.160 here i was doing some reporting on this issue earlier this summer and the toronto police service

00:08:13.120 helpfully provided me with some data on this phenomenon and as of last year in toronto alone

00:08:18.480 88 of all crime guns seized during a crime are from the united states illegal firearms from the united

00:08:25.440 states and that is not just in 2024 over the last uh 10 years or so the figure has varied from 70 to 88

00:08:33.920 percent of all guns used in a crime in toronto captured by police come from the united states so

00:08:38.640 there are legitimate questions to be asked about uh whether this program is actually going to do

00:08:43.680 anything to tamp down on crime in this country you can ask that question but you can also ask what more

00:08:48.400 can you do to reduce gun crime and if this is something that reduces gun crime fine if not uh let's

00:08:54.880 try something else because i'm i'm just a couple of hours stepping off the train from toronto where i spent the

00:08:59.760 last four or five days and i can tell you that crime uh and gun crime is a huge issue in the city

00:09:06.080 of toronto so um whatever you can do to bring it down you do within reason um i want i want to come

00:09:14.720 back to something that brad said uh he talked about the financial top-up uh i i'm very interested in the

00:09:20.640 information top-up as i said i'm just off the train from toronto if i'd have known that there's a minister of

00:09:25.280 the crown giving out secrets that have been discussed in cabinet uh just by uh the fact that

00:09:30.720 uh i could rent an apartment from him i'd rent the apartment myself i i would i would have put a down

00:09:36.480 payment and and rent i know you would have too you you're that kind of reporter you get scoops yeah

00:09:42.000 yeah so why is a minister of the crown discussing something that has not yet been uh revealed to the

00:09:48.800 public maybe not even the caucus uh about what's coming uh it's uh it's rather it's rather astounding

00:09:55.120 and and as kata said this is a minister who's had a very tough year uh he he he didn't know in the

00:10:01.520 spring uh about about his own uh program about the restricted possession acquisition license he didn't

00:10:08.000 he didn't know about that when he was asked about it he brought in c2 um and it goes beyond strong

00:10:13.360 borders so there's lots of concerns and lots of questions about c2 i don't think people were

00:10:17.680 adequately briefed about that and we've all heard about the letters that he wrote on behalf of a

00:10:22.160 former tamil tiger as well uh this is a minister who is struggling without a doubt um and a minister

00:10:30.320 who is handing out uh information that shouldn't be handed out to to to somebody who is uh somebody

00:10:36.480 who's renting an apartment from i don't even know if he's a constituent um there there's got to be some

00:10:41.360 very pointed questions asked to this minister vandana i think this is a ministry that's one of

00:10:47.680 the most challenging ones to be a part of i mean there's a reason why ralph goodale was the first

00:10:51.760 public safety minister under this government and with the experience he has and why a lot of ministers

00:10:56.320 struggle with this file now i think minister zhangri has had a really good um history here as an mp

00:11:02.160 and as a minister of crown indigenous relations um clearly he still needs working through these

00:11:07.440 challenges but i am confident he's going to get through them um again he's a minister with a lot

00:11:11.440 of integrity uh it's a steep learning uh learning hill on this but also that there's so many moving

00:11:17.360 pieces to this there's the borders there's public safety and all the elements that come with public

00:11:21.280 safety it's not just guns it's community safety it's programs it's at-risk youth and and young people

00:11:27.040 um so there's so many parts to it that you know i see that this has been a tough hill to climb but

00:11:31.520 i'm quite confident he's gonna get on top of it i want to stay on the issue of crime because

00:11:34.880 there's new polling out that suggests that this is one ballot box issue that is quickly rising the

00:11:39.760 ranks among canadians the issues they care about most abacus data says crime and public safety is

00:11:45.280 among the fastest growing concerns two weeks ago 16 of canadians named at their top concern today

00:11:51.360 that number has jumped to 20 and ontario premier doug ford wants action

00:11:58.800 the federal government has to get their butt moving on bail reform young offenders 0.99

00:12:04.720 act mandatory sentencing i can tell you one thing it's always the economy and health care when we

00:12:10.640 do our polling crime is right beside it now people are done with it so we're going to clean that up

00:12:17.440 but the federal government has to change the criminal code they have to stop dragging their feet and start

00:12:22.720 moving on this let's do a very quick round on this kate what do you make of this rising up the ranks of

00:12:28.720 the issues people care about most after the summer that we just had it's not particularly surprising a

00:12:36.240 string of um a string of violent attacks and assaults obviously that high profile case uh in lindsay ontario

00:12:42.800 of of a man trying to defend himself in his own home and being subsequently charged uh so you you it's a

00:12:49.440 pretty short leap to understand why canadians are so concerned about crime and uh right now i think if

00:12:54.480 canadians were to assess the federal government's performance on it it's a lot of finger pointing

00:12:58.880 uh it's a lot of blame game uh they're in turn turning to the provinces the provinces are turning

00:13:02.720 to the feds and certainly uh the public safety minister's actions today don't do much to instill a

00:13:08.640 lot of confidence in canadians that the government is anything but asleep at the switch on this issue

00:13:13.360 so i think this uh as immigration was perhaps last year uh is a really simmering public policy uh issue

00:13:20.320 for a lot of canadians and that the government will have to make some pretty bold moves i think

00:13:24.720 to really reverse course on the narrative that they are not taking these issues as seriously as

00:13:29.600 perhaps other political parties are yeah brad and speaking of the narrative when you look at the stats

00:13:35.200 can data they actually show that crime was down last year it was down 3.6 percent the number of police

00:13:40.880 reported crimes the toronto police services again i love their data they're very transparent with

00:13:46.160 canadians they're showing that double digit declines in shootings homicides and auto thefts in canada's

00:13:52.480 biggest city already this year in 2025 so as people are caring most about this issue crime is starting

00:13:58.720 to recede a little bit yeah no it's it's it's funny because and this is this is one of the tricks i

00:14:04.880 think of of politics and that is the data will say one thing and and and the emotions or the feelings

00:14:11.600 of the electorate will say something else the same with the economy you can you know if people feel

00:14:15.040 like they're struggling with cost of living you can't say no no you're wrong the economy just grew

00:14:20.720 you know five percent of gdp or something like that you've got to meet them where they're at what's

00:14:25.440 interesting about that poll is that where is crime uh driving those numbers it's on in ontario and in

00:14:31.280 the prairies and i i really appreciate mr ford's ability to immediately pass off this the the the rise

00:14:38.160 in the concern about it as if it's just a fence and the federal government does have a big role bail

00:14:42.960 reform has been called for by many provinces from different parties uh and i know that uh minister

00:14:48.000 fraser has already signaled that uh the house will see some bail reform legislation in the near term

00:14:53.840 so that's that's that's something that's already i think a launched boat uh for that but let's let's

00:14:58.640 be fair mr premier ford you have a lot of role in in crime as well it's not just it's not just the

00:15:04.400 federal government all three levels of government have a role to play in reducing crime and we have an

00:15:08.960 obligation to to make sure that even though the crime stats are down people are still concerned

00:15:14.160 about it and that still means that the elected officials have to address it rob no matter what

00:15:19.280 the figures show uh you you can't you can always do more to reduce violent crime actually the figures

00:15:25.520 show across canada that violent crime is actually static even if it's down in toronto and ontario it's

00:15:30.560 actually non-violent but that doesn't mean you stop yeah i mean if people people don't feel safe no

00:15:35.200 matter how much crime is there you keep going after the crime i agree with brad though the the

00:15:40.560 administration of justice is a provincial jurisdiction and more can be done by the

00:15:45.520 provinces including ontario to go after people who are out on bail they're the ones who are supposed

00:15:50.560 to pay the police to go out there and find the people who've jumped bail and they need to put more

00:15:55.360 resources in that as well vandana very quick final word to you yeah i mean i will echo what other people

00:16:00.560 have said like this is a mix between the feds and the problems the province has a lot of

00:16:04.480 responsibility here too but i think like i live in toronto now and every day on cp24 not saying

00:16:09.920 people should watch the newscasts but uh it is common to see a new shooting every single day so

00:16:14.640 whether people feel the stats or not people see that and they think oh my god my child can be shot

00:16:19.200 in their home oh my god my car my car can be stolen and they're worried so there this is a complicated

00:16:24.240 issue it's not something that's solved with one thing but i think it's something that is definitely

00:16:28.080 top of canadians minds it wouldn't be surprised if gary anandis angry gets fired for this

00:16:33.760 he's supporting a gun buyback program that even he himself does not support the mark carney government

00:16:39.520 is in some serious hot water right now first christopher feeling left and there's many more

00:16:44.560 rumored to be leaving soon and you know you're in trouble when even your own paid propagandists turn

00:16:49.600 on you in case you don't know the cbc is funded by the taxpayer through the government and they get

00:16:55.280 over a billion dollars each year and they're generally expected to report favorably on the liberal

00:17:00.480 government and even the cbc is not reporting favorably on this government anymore think

00:17:06.560 about that for a second the way i see it is that carney's honeymoon is officially over and i believe

00:17:11.360 it's only going to get worse from here the budget will be the death blow that rips this government

00:17:16.160 apart think about it the government's in a lose-lose situation if they release the budget and there's a

00:17:21.600 massive deficit people are going to turn on carney if carney doesn't release the budget then people are

00:17:27.280 going to turn on him as well the government simply cannot win right now now on another note i'm not

00:17:32.640 getting a great response to my live streams so i'm seriously debating whether or not i should continue

00:17:37.280 doing them part of the problem is that even though i have a decent computer it doesn't seem to handle

00:17:41.840 the live streams very well and it keeps crashing some people seem to really like it so let me know in

00:17:46.160 the comment section should i continue doing it or am i just wasting my time however the good news is

00:17:51.200 that poliev continues to do really well in the polls and i truly believe that we need to be patient

00:17:57.040 because it's only a matter of time before poliev gets into the prime minister's office talk to you

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Liberal MP In Hot Water After Audio Gets LEAKED

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