ROUND 2： Poilievre Does Rematch With CBC's Catherine Cullen
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Summary
On today's show, I'm joined by Danielle Smith, the Alberta premier, to ask Prime Minister Justin Trudeau a very important question. What should the government do about climate change? And why is it so hard to get a permit to build a pipeline from Alberta to Kitimat, BC?
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I want to talk to you about a related issue here, which is about emissions, carbon emissions.
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I cannot recall hearing you talk about concerns around climate change.
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Do you worry about what climate change will do to our planet, Pierre Polyev?
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Polyev continues to ruin the careers of woke journalists on an almost near daily basis.
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On Monday, I showed you Polyev squaring off with seasoned CBC journalist Catherine Cullen.
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Albertans are finally being heard by the federal government.
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So right off the bat, this condescending witch tries to catch Polyev off guard.
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We've had to be very patient with Mark Carney because he's now been prime minister for six months.
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And he hasn't delivered a permit for a single nation building project.
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Investment is down by $62 billion under Mark Carney, which is the biggest net outflow of investment in history, according to the National Bank.
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And so far, he's succeeded at setting up an office with one employee.
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And he sent a list of five projects that were already approved or almost approved before he got there.
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And now he's picking up the football in the end zone to spike it.
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But in reality, you know, some of the projects that he put on his list have already been under construction.
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It's really incredible to see a prime minister show up and take credit for something that happened before he even got there and then claim that it is a new achievement.
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I think he's been very good at confusing activity with achievement.
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Lots of meetings, lots of politicians patting themselves on the back.
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So Polyev gets off to a great start right here, giving Carney a series of love taps.
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So let's watch how she tries to flip the script right here.
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If you look at the actual results, there have been none.
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As for a pipeline to the Pacific, we already had one.
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Well, the courts said that there was not sufficient consultation.
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She keeps interrupting the leader of the official opposition every time he says something she doesn't like.
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He's calm, prepared, and ready to push back with some cold, hard facts.
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In fact, the project was approved, and the Trudeau cabinet killed it.
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And so that was a multibillion-dollar project that would have been completed seven or eight years ago.
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And you're saying testified at a parliamentary committee.
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He testified at a parliamentary committee against a pipeline from Hardesty, Alberta, to Kitimat, BC, which is exactly the project with some very minor modifications that Ms. Smith is pushing for now.
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So we're hoping that Mr. Carney has flip-flopped on this, and he'll go ahead with it.
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But what I would really say on this is that when it comes to these projects, we have 38 projects the federal government has been holding up that are in the Impact Assessment Act system already.
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They don't need a government grant, a government handout, a press release, a photo op.
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Get out of the way and grant a permit so that private money can build private projects that actually make money for our country rather than cost the tax.
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He just sits there with a slight grin, ready to push back as this awful woman continuously cuts him off.
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I do not understand, though, why you are saying he's in the way.
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The office, you know, you're dismissing it as one employee.
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I don't know how many other people have or haven't been hired.
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But you have Daniel Smith, Tim Houston, Wob Canu, the business community themselves saying this is important.
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How is it that you're saying nothing to see here when so many other people seem to think across the political spectrum seem to think that this is meaningful?
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We have to be patient because of Mark Carney's snail's pace.
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What I'm saying is that Mark Carney has been prime minister for six months.
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Now, he promised that we would move at unprecedented speeds, that this was like wartime.
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The Germans built an import terminal for LNG from concept to completion in 194 days.
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That is not the permit or the announcement or the press release.
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That means the thing was functional in about the amount of time Mark Carney has been prime minister, during which time he has not approved a single major project.
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What he has done is taken five projects that were basically approved already, sent them to yet another bureaucracy, which is going to review them and consider them going ahead.
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I don't want to be negative, so I'm going to be positive here.
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We're proposing the Canadian Sovereignty Act, which would get the government out of the way so that we could rapidly build – the private industry, without taxpayer subsidies, could build pipelines, mines, LNG terminals, nuclear plants, and more.
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It would expedite the 38 projects that have been waiting for federal approval, and it would invite the hundreds more that the federal government is blocking, according to Scott Moe.
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I'm offering Mark Carney to take the act and pass it.
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I'll give him credit for it, and we'll get it done.
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Scott Moe said there were 100 projects that were priorities.
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He did not say the federal government was blocking.
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I love how Paulyev just continues delivering fact after fact after cold, hard fact.
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But as soon as he got elected, well, maybe a few weeks after, he went on vacation.
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All his liberal MPs are on vacation, and they're not doing anything.
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If Paulyev was in office, we'd be getting stuff done.
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I want to talk to you about a related issue here, which is about emissions, carbon emissions.
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I cannot recall hearing you talk about concerns around climate change.
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Do you worry about what climate change will do to our planet, Pierre Paulyev?
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That woman just asked the million-dollar question.
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He's going to give the answer that's going to ruin this woman's career.
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That's why I'm so disappointed with the very problematic approach of the liberal government,
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which has been to drive up energy costs and block projects from going ahead that would help the environment.
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So are you an environmentalist, Pierre Paulyev?
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I mean, we are talking about sea levels rising, worried about loss of biodiversity.
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Like, if we were to displace sturdy Asian coal-fired plants with clean Canadian natural gas,
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according to the National Bank, we could reduce global emissions by 2.5 billion tons,
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which is three times the emissions of all of Canada for a year.
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But to do that, you need liquefaction terminals, like the one that Prime Minister Harper approved, LNG Canada.
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And we shouldn't be talking about having one more.
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We should be talking about having 18 or 19 LNG liquefaction plants.
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That's the number that were proposed when the Liberals took office.
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And so what I propose, let's take our natural gas, which is very clean, which is very cheap in Canada.
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Right now, we only get $3 per million metric British thermal units.
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We could help power the biggest, the most populous continent by getting them off of dirtier coal and reducing global emissions.
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But the real difference between myself and the Liberals on this is they believe in keeping it in the ground.
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We can debate whether he's flip-flopped on that as well.
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Or the conservative approach, which is let's use our energy to grow the paychecks of our people and protect the environment.
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And that is the approach that we would take to the environment.
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Why have we not seen you ever commit to emissions reductions targets?
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That's saying we should do more to reduce our emissions.
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That's not saying our 2030 targets are right, wrong, should be higher, lower.
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The current government is not meeting its emissions targets.
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But I'm asking whether you think those are valuable targets, not about what the federal government is doing, which you've been clear about.
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In fact, it would be very easy to meet all of those targets if we include the global reductions that the export of Canadian nuclear and natural gas would engender.
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And so I'd say, sure, not only we could reduce, we could displace the equivalent of three years of emissions in Canada by sending our Canadian natural gas over to Asia and displacing dirty coal.
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I mean, you know, the Asian economies are adding these coal-fired plants, one after the other, because they don't have access to affordable natural gas.
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It's easy for us to liquefy it because our cold climate does most of the work.
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And we have the shortest shipping distances to both Asia and Europe of any country in the Americas.
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So why would we not use that kind of pragmatic approach that enriches rather than impoverish?
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If this woman had any sense, she would end the interview and immediately quit her career.
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Your policy proposals here because our time is finite.
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You have called on the government to get rid of the temporary foreign worker program.
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The prime minister has said he will adjust the program to make it more strategic.
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Why do you believe that there is never a need for these workers outside of the agricultural sector?
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Since Mr. Carney took office, we've hemorrhaged 86,000 jobs.
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Surely some of that is related to U.S. tariffs and uncertainty.
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Right, the tariffs that Mr. Carney promised he would manage to get rid of through his promise
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And it's also, according to the Business Council, the red tape of the federal government
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is responsible for more economic damage than even the tariffs.
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But, you know, it's true that, in fairness, Mr. Carney has failed to keep his promise on
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negotiating a deal, and that has obviously hurt our economy.
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She was completely humiliated by Polyev on live TV, and yet she keeps going as if nothing
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I'm going to let the interview roll for a bit, and then I'll jump in later with some more
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He said he would only sign a deal if it was good for Canada.
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Now, you asked me about temporary foreign workers, but I had to respond to your interjection.
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And so on temporary foreign workers, we've got 350,000 people in Toronto alone who are unemployed.
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We have the worst job numbers since the 1990s for our youth.
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And when you have 14% unemployment for youth, it is appalling that we're bringing in low-wage
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temporary foreign workers who are exploited, again and again, exploited by those seeking
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And the Liberal government is on track this year to having the largest number of temporary
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But again, there are a multitude of factors affecting the job market.
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AI, tariffs, some of the numbers of temporary foreign workers you've talked about more broadly
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are renewals of people who have been here for some time.
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Do you worry about telling Canadians that these job losses, tying it directly to temporary
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foreign workers, that people will perceive that as blaming temporary foreign workers?
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No, because I haven't blamed temporary foreign workers.
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The temporary foreign workers are just seeing a job opportunity and getting a work permit.
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They're just doing what the Liberal government told them to do.
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But I think it's appalling that when I go to towns across this country, parents tell me
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their kids cannot get jobs to start off and start saving for school because, in part,
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the 100,000-plus temporary foreign workers that employers prefer to have, in some cases,
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If you want to attract Canadian kids, pay great Canadian wages.
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Stronger take-home pay is one of my big priorities for this fall session.
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And that means ensuring that even though there aren't a lot of jobs in Canada right now,
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I would like to switch gears here and talk about a developing news story, which is the
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assassination of U.S. conservative activist Charlie Kirk.
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The FBI has this morning announced that they have arrested a suspect.
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In this country, when we talk about political violence, you and the Prime Minister have
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But we know that there are growing threats against politicians.
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We have had very serious threats to the point where the RCMP decided that it merited protection
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for my family and I for a prolonged period of time.
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And they've been multiple and they have been serious threats.
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And I think we need to secure all of our political leaders, not just me.
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I think all the political leaders and ministers who face real threats, according to the RCMP's
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assessment, they should have protection so that something like this does not happen on
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The fact that you're saying that should happen suggests that perhaps there are instances
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Listen, I don't know if you can secure everything, but I think we should do everything.
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I'm not going to accuse the government of anything on that front.
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I know that all the political leaders would share my view that this is unfortunately a
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risk that's out there and we should do everything we can to mitigate it.
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More broadly, what do you think we should be doing differently on a more societal level,
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So I can't, I have a hard time saying what would, what different behavior would have avoided
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But I just, I think we need to make clear that you can't shut people down just because
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Obviously, Mr. Kirk was killed because he expressed a contrary point of view.
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He said something that somebody didn't think that they should have to hear, but that's
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Democracy doesn't mean you get to silence someone just because you disagree.
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Disagreement and debate is necessary in a free and open democracy.
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And we can't let the terrorist who carried out this assassination change that.
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We've heard about the idea of disagreeing agreeably.
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Is there a tonal change in this country, in Canada's politics that is needed to keep people
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I think we have to, we have to inculcate the idea that you're going to, we're all going
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to go through life hearing things we don't agree with, and we don't get to shut down contrary
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We have to, sometimes it's frustrating, maddening, but that's life in a democracy.
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And, you know, we have to raise our kids and we have to teach all citizens that freedom
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of speech means, includes hearing things you don't like.
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And we can't censor people, attack them, try to destroy their lives, fire them, kick them
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out of their place of work, whether it's a media organization or, or carry out violence
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as a mechanism to silence views that we don't agree with.
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Obviously, there's a pretty dramatic difference between a political assassination and someone,
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I mean, the examples you gave of somebody losing their job because they, you know, they said
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something offensive to a reporter in front of a TV camera there.
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I think there was a very public example of that losing their job.
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What I'm saying is that you need, we need to live in a society where people are free
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to express themselves and where everyone understands they're going to have to hear contrary opinions.
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Is that, that particular case of the reporters being harassed, people yelling this offensive,
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F her, right in the, um, talks about the limits.
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I understand what you're saying that there, people should be able to speak their minds, but
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we also need limits on what is appropriate when people shouldn't be harassed in the workplace
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Like, do you think it's inappropriate for someone to lose their job when they conduct
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what appears to be an act of public harassment?
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I guess I'm just trying to understand where you see the line, given that you put all those
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Where I see the line is that people have the freedom to express political opinions that are
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But of course, that does not include carrying out harassment, uh, uh, against, in fact,
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it's, my point was exactly the opposite of that.
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If you're harassing someone, um, or you're aggressing against someone because of their
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political point of view, then you're behaving inappropriate and that, and that should not
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And I'm surprised this woman even had the nerve to interview Polly Ev again.
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This will likely be the last time she ever does that.
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And I wouldn't be surprised if she gets fired over this.
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This is just another reason why we need Polly Ev in office.
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And we got to get rid of that clown, Mark Carney.
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He's got the brain of a supercomputer and a black belt in common sense.
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Now for next steps, I'll be live streaming the question period on Monday, and it'll be
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And if you haven't bookmarked the link, please do it now before you forget.
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Now, like I was talking about yesterday, I was thinking about live streaming the anti-immigration
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However, out of an abundance of caution, I decided not to.
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After what happened with Charlie Kirk, I want to be careful.
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The bomb squad was at Christie Pits in Toronto today.
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And there's unconfirmed reports that Antifa tried to use a bomb on Patriots.
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The left has declared war on us, and it's only going to get worse.
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Of course, we're not just going to sit down and take it.
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We are going to fight back, but we're going to fight back with words.
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We're going to fight back at the polls, and we're going to fight back in court.
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But anyway, that's all I have for you today, Patriots.