Max Genest - November 08, 2025


The Red Tory Collapse Begins

Topics
Conservative MPs fleeing the party
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Max Genest
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Pierre Poilievre Mark Carney O'Toole Shere
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3 minutes

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Word count

602

Sentence count

37

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Two Conservative MPs crossed the floor to join the Liberals, and one resigned after being caught in talks to do the same. Is it suspicious that this happened within two days of Mark Carney tabling his $78B deficit budget? Is it a coincidence? Or is it the result of a deeper problem within the Conservative Party?

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00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Max Jeanette, and howdy, my name is Michael Harris, and today we're going to be
00:00:04.100 talking about the two conservative MPs who just left the party. One crossed the floor
00:00:08.400 to join the liberals, and the other one resigned after being caught in talks to do the same.
00:00:12.920 A source inside the party tells me they're in crisis mode, scrambling for damage control.
00:00:18.540 Is it suspicious that this is all happening within two days of Mark Carney tabling his
00:00:23.500 $78 billion deficit budget? Yeah, it is. And if you think that's a coincidence, it's not.
00:00:29.140 This is not random. It is the result of a deeper problem inside the Conservative Party that's been
00:00:34.080 festering for years. Because when one defection happens, it's a story. When two happen within 48
00:00:40.320 hours, that's a pattern. Solving this pattern starts with asking a simple question. Why are
00:00:45.700 Conservative MPs fleeing the party? Now, it might be because these Conservatives are considered
00:00:51.660 red Tories, people who came from the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada, and might more align
00:00:57.260 with Mark Carney's style of government. Big spending, keeping the government programs up,
00:01:03.240 whereas Pierre Polyev and his conservatives are more like the Reform Alliance conservatives that
00:01:07.940 believe in smaller government. And this might be an indication of a fracturing of the party at whole,
00:01:13.860 where they still have the Progressive Conservative Party, the Reform Party, and the Alliance Party
00:01:18.920 still mingling in its own party, and they can't decide where their future should lay. And we could
00:01:25.060 see here in the following weeks, that it's not just two MPs that quit, that we could see a
00:01:29.500 fracturing where there could be a red Tory, blue Tory split. Michael is correct. These red Tories 0.66
00:01:35.680 are liberals. But if these red Tories align so much with the liberals, why haven't the liberals
00:01:40.520 started poaching them sooner? Because the liberals are smart enough to know red Tories are far more 0.98
00:01:46.580 valuable to them inside the conservative party than outside of it. But they're doing it now
00:01:52.200 because they're desperate for a majority. And it's easy. Like Michael said, all the red Tories come
00:01:57.820 from the same place, the old progressive conservative wing. They're fiscally liberal,
00:02:02.680 so why are they even in the conservative party? And here's the ugly truth. Red Tories are a small
00:02:08.300 minority in this country, but somehow they dominate the party. Why? Every single leader, 0.98
00:02:13.880 Shere, O'Toole, even Polyev, keeps giving them power, handing them nominations, safe seats, 0.90
00:02:19.680 and committee roles, while blocking real conservatives from running. The ones who talk
00:02:24.820 about immigration, debt, culture, our national identity are being treated like liabilities,
00:02:30.260 while the red Tories who never fight or speak up are the ones promoted and protected. That is why
00:02:36.320 the conservative party keeps losing, because it's afraid to be conservative. It keeps bending the
00:02:41.700 to the liberals, terrified of controversy, and terrified of being called names. And to keep that
00:02:48.860 surrender going, it fills its own ranks with red Tories, whose whole purpose is to make sure the 0.99
00:02:54.800 party never truly represents conservative values, beliefs, and morals. They do not need to cross the
00:03:01.460 floor to weaken the party. They do it from within. Two MPs just left the party, and right now
00:03:07.460 Polyev looks weak. A real leader would flip this into a win. Say he's cleansing the red Tories out 1.00
00:03:13.240 the party turn the loss into proof the party's getting stronger more focused more conservative
00:03:19.240 but he's not and if you cannot handle two defections without looking shaken that says
00:03:24.360 a lot about your leadership or lack of it.