Mysterium Fasces - October 09, 2024


Florian Geyer — Mysterium Interview — 2019


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In this episode, Fr. and discuss how to deal with so-called woke people in the Orthodox Church of America (OCA). What are they? How do they relate to the PC Normidox and Ameridox? What does it mean to be a "woke person"? And how can we deal with them?

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00:10:30.980 But anyhow, he was visiting and stopping by, and we had a mini-side conversation, and he had been quite nationalistic and very supportive of it.
00:10:45.920 So you definitely have a lot of woke people in the Orthodox community, especially for monastics.
00:10:54.580 Yeah, that's definitely true.
00:10:55.920 I mean I think that any kind of like bastion of traditional Orthodoxy where it's Athenite or Russian, if you hang around a monastery like that long enough, you're going to meet the world people.
00:11:07.760 And like attracts like, and without going into too many details, I've had some, let's say, significant experience and exposure to this principle in action over the recent months and years.
00:11:20.320 And I can tell you that if you're in like a kind of a hardcore traditional monastic environment or someplace like that, these people are kind of behind every bush. 1.00
00:11:31.540 Indeed. Very much different from the PC Normidox and Ameridox, though, which were like those that think that egalitarianism is the ultimate virtue and nationalism is all abhorrent and stuff that's preached by some.
00:11:51.840 I guess that ties into another question, and it is, what are your thoughts and advice on dealing with the PC Normidox and Ameridox?
00:12:01.540 Yeah, well, that's a good question.
00:12:03.120 I mean so there are a couple of things to unpack here.
00:12:06.400 You have to deal with the people themselves, and you have to deal with the issue behind their kind of ideology and their worldview.
00:12:12.540 Perhaps we'll address that first and then come to the personal sort of pastoral second.
00:12:16.140 So the issue with so-called Ameridox – I think one of the questions you submitted, you asked me to kind of define what is Ameridoxy and what are Ameridox people.
00:12:25.460 Well, the answer to that question is basically that the term Ameridox basically refers to someone who is trying to blend the worldview of Orthodox Christianity with the worldview of American liberal democracy or what we could call anything sort of –
00:12:42.960 Americanism.
00:12:44.500 Yeah, right, Americanism.
00:12:46.220 In Catholic terms, you'd use the heresy of Americanism, but just kind of the Enlightenment worldview I think is a more precise way to talk about it.
00:12:54.540 And so the – because both of us live in North America, you run into these people a lot because when people come into the faith, it's not just like they get magically – a switch is flipped in their head and they become fully ingratiated in the worldview of traditional Russia or Rome.
00:13:14.880 You know, it takes time for the milieu that they've come out of to be sort of purified and cleansed from them, especially if they're not actively seeking to reject it.
00:13:26.080 And so naturally they try to conciliate between the Orthodox worldview and the worldview of where they come from, which is by and large this kind of Americanism.
00:13:36.220 And the issue is that the two are completely incompatible with one another.
00:13:40.120 Absolutely.
00:13:42.840 Yeah.
00:13:45.020 And so that's the thing is that you run into these – there's good people in the Orthodox Church of America, but I think they kind of epitomize a lot of it, these kind of OCA types who well and truly are in many ways foreign to the Orthodox worldview. 0.68
00:14:03.200 You know, and it's, you know, case by case and person by person.
00:14:06.900 The OCA is a very heterogeneous and mixed body.
00:14:09.840 There's some very traditional people there and very good Christians and, you know, I don't – but there also is like a lot of not-so-good Orthodox Christians and people who have a very lukewarm and degenerated Orthodox worldview and practice. 0.53
00:14:23.420 And so that's the thing is that – this is just the natural consequence of the, you know, spreading of that, you know, the pure water of Orthodoxy in a sea of the black ink of modernity is that, you know, you're going to get a lot of people who have that kind of muddy water, unfortunately. 0.93
00:14:41.420 You know, and so this is the issue is that, you know, in terms of how to deal with these people, it really depends.
00:14:46.380 It's case by case because a lot of times, sometimes these people would – they would just be well-meaning, you know, even devoted, pious Orthodox Christians who just have never had incompatibilities between the Orthodox worldview and the American worldview explained to them before.
00:15:01.340 They've never seen the arguments for kind of a traditional, you know, ethnic-based social polity put forward.
00:15:12.000 They've never been educated, you know, and so in those cases, the best thing you can do is to be charitable with them and in a spirit of fraternal love to try and educate them and to correct the errors in the worldview, right?
00:15:27.000 And while also accepting the reality that, of course, in the church, as long as you have a genuine Orthodox worldview, we don't have to agree on politics, we don't have to – or there's a legitimate diversity of opinion.
00:15:37.820 But the cornerstones, the values, right, that Orthodox worldview, again, without using the term too many times, that's non-negotiable.
00:15:44.320 It's part of – it flows directly from the mystery of the church.
00:15:48.260 And so how that's appropriated and how that's instantiated in people's lives is, you know, there's a legitimate diversity of opinion.
00:15:54.400 But the foundation is not up for debate and, you know, the foundation of a worldview endorses values like the importance of, you know, ethnicity and human social organization, of tradition, of hierarchy, of monarchy, of moral regulation, of economics, of political justice, and all of these sort of things that we understand to be the core of, you know, sort of social nationals and national socialists.
00:16:18.780 You know, whatever term you want to use for a sort of high Tory monarchist worldview trying to struggle and instantiate itself in the contemporary environment.
00:16:33.500 Fascinating.
00:16:33.860 Yeah.
00:16:36.720 You know, and that's the thing is there's going to be a lot of these people, and that's the thing is you're going to – you have people like that who are, you know, good-natured and just – they're, you know, uneducated.
00:16:47.900 And, you know, maybe they go to an OCA parish or something, you know, or a Greek parish, and, you know, they've never – they don't know. 0.96
00:16:56.080 They're ignorant, so you can educate them.
00:16:57.340 You're also run into people who, you know, there's another type which is more difficult to deal with, people who are actively attempting to pervert the orthodox worldview and to fit it into a modern contextual environment. 0.95
00:17:13.760 I've seen these people before, even priests, and even Rokor, well, of course, like, no diocese or parish is immune from heresy. 0.94
00:17:23.860 But I remember at the time when Dr. Johnson released his – not necessarily an article, but, like, a document and also a podcast on interracial marriage, things like that, and that caused a huge backlash and even a petition going around, like, renouncing racism.
00:17:47.940 Even though in their petition from the orthodox clergy, it didn't even define what racism even is.
00:17:54.520 Like, I mean, if it's, like, belief in one race is completely superior to another, then, yeah, that's wrong.
00:18:02.260 I think all races have their own flaws. 0.99
00:18:06.100 Of course they do.
00:18:07.180 And, you know, their own pros and cons.
00:18:10.160 But we are all still made in the image of God.
00:18:15.140 But anyhow.
00:18:15.700 Right.
00:18:17.940 Well, no, yeah.
00:18:19.800 So that's the thing is it's – no particular denomination is immune from these sort of things, and it's just a result of the decadent in the Babylonian culture, although obviously some tend towards higher levels of tradition and others less.
00:18:32.500 And, you know, so the thing is is that there's a couple of different things going on here, right?
00:18:39.400 I mean, on the one hand, you have the general cultural decay, but on the other hand, you have the influence of soft power over these denominations, you know, and places like St. Vladimir's Seminary are notorious for being very liberal and modernist.
00:18:55.520 You know, and that is the result of both monetary and cultural influence, you know, upon them to adopt such a worldview.
00:19:06.940 And, you know, and you have, you know, for instance, one priest who wrote against Dr. Johnson's article, we'll go unnamed, you know, he's married to an Asian, right?
00:19:15.720 And so, of course, you know, and so he might be traditional in all other respects, and, you know, but when it comes to this particular issue, obviously that's going to be personally difficult for him to deal with.
00:19:25.700 But the reality of the orthodox position on this subject has been pretty consistent throughout history.
00:19:30.960 It's that no one is saved on the basis of their ethnic background.
00:19:35.520 Amen.
00:19:35.860 And, you know, someone can be mixed race and have salvation in Christ, but it's always been discouraged for eminently practical reasons that, you know, we even know statistically speaking it's not a matter of opinion.
00:19:47.580 You can go and look up the rates of mental illness, of drug abuse, of social alienation, of all of these things are much, much higher for the children of mixed race couples, even, you know, like white, Asian, or whatever.
00:20:01.840 And so, and divorce rates are higher, that kind of thing. 0.79
00:20:04.040 So on the basis of practical community stability, the welfare of children, and the integrity of the national community, right, that, you know, these have always been discouraged.
00:20:14.440 But it's been understood that, you know, even if one of these unions does come about, it can be blessed by God.
00:20:20.840 And so that's, you know, a hard distinction that we make from, you know, say people with Christian identity or, you know, pagans or materialists where, you know, we don't say, no, these people are not outside salvation.
00:20:31.720 Right.
00:20:31.900 But they may be outside the political community, right, is an important distinction to make.
00:20:36.120 Right.
00:20:36.660 It's perfectly legitimate as an orthodox nationalist, you know, and you can say that someone is in the church, but they're not in my political community on the basis of culture and ethnicity.
00:20:44.500 Which is completely normal.
00:20:46.480 Oh, well, thank you for your input there.
00:20:49.160 Of course.
00:20:50.460 Excuse me, take a little drink of water.
00:20:53.880 Yeah, yeah, no problem.
00:20:55.480 No problem.
00:20:56.120 So, but kind of to come back to the issue of how to pastorally deal with people that are, you know, willfully distorting the orthodox worldview, they're either going to do it for two reasons.
00:21:05.180 They're going to do it because either they want to conform to modern society and they don't want to make trouble.
00:21:09.820 And in such cases, you need to remind them that that is the opposite of an orthodox practice that we have to, you know, while not looking out to necessarily, you know, pie in everyone's faces or something like this.
00:21:27.480 Because Christ is very clear, you know, with me or against me.
00:21:30.580 And that Christ himself faced, you know, the total opposition from his contemporary society and from the ruling elite of the context that he was in because he told the truth.
00:21:39.000 And he promised us that we would face the same if we really believed in him.
00:21:43.340 And so this is the question, is that if you're a true believer in Christ and his disciple, you need to expect to be opposed by the powers of the world.
00:21:51.240 And if the powers of the world are not opposing you, then you need to look within yourself.
00:21:56.020 Why is that the case, right?
00:21:58.480 And so the second, of course, is a category of subversives.
00:22:04.480 And, you know, these people, it's more difficult to deal with them.
00:22:11.060 You have to, you know, be careful when you're trying to figure out someone naive is someone just a little cowardly or someone truly, you know, lizard-like in their disposition.
00:22:24.380 Of course, if that's the case, you have to deal with it much more sternly and severely.
00:22:28.320 You know, you take sort of a mixed style depending on the case.
00:22:31.240 You know, that we don't tolerate people to blaspheme, especially in the context of the church, no question.
00:22:38.500 We don't tolerate people within the context of the church to blaspheme the teachings of Christ and the essential cornerstones of the natural law, which flow directly from him.
00:22:48.420 You know, so if you run into people saying that, you know, ethnicity doesn't matter or this kind of stuff or, you know, that orthodoxy is totally opposed to the use of force to resist evil.
00:22:59.560 Well, you correct them.
00:23:01.740 And if they're obstinate and persistent in their error, despite being corrected, despite being shown, you know, the litany and retinue of examples of the Holy Fathers which refute their claims, you know, you have to deal with them a little more harshly.
00:23:16.900 Solidly put. Thank you.
00:23:18.100 And, uh, I know it's going on multiple digressions here, as in the questions are very different from each other.
00:23:28.320 Well, that's no problem.
00:23:30.500 Please go ahead.
00:23:31.000 From, uh, episode nine on this is the plan on your podcast, would there be anything that you would change or add from the plan?
00:23:39.260 I don't know if you remember that episode well.
00:23:43.080 No, I'm familiar with the episode.
00:23:44.540 I remember it very clearly.
00:23:46.040 Not really.
00:23:46.700 I mean, uh, I did, I mentioned earlier in the episode, I did a recent interview with Tim Kelly of our interesting times on the subject of, of the ethnic displacement of European peoples in Lower Mainland, British Columbia, Iran, Vancouver, by Chinese.
00:24:02.020 And at the end of that, I kind of got into, like, the general overview of, of the same thing that's, that's within this is the plan, which is, you know, you can read William S. Lind and listen to his lectures on fourth generation warfare to understand, you know, what basically has to, has to be done.
00:24:19.780 One is that ideally for, you know, the English speaking people of North America, in an Orthodox context, what you want to do is you want to create a nucleus of primary loyalty that is able to combat the influence of the state and, and sort of the regime, um, as Dr. Johnson would put it.
00:24:36.680 So that people are loyal to their church, to their parish community, to their family, and in an integrated sense, rather than to the society at large or to the passions or to money or whatever.
00:24:49.800 And so that, that, that process is done the way that it's always done, by you having, having good families, you know, raising them correctly, engaging in parish life, trying to build up your community, you know, uh, organizing with people of a similar worldview and like mind.
00:25:09.060 Basically community building.
00:25:11.220 Yeah, basically.
00:25:12.580 Which is what I see myself as in the future, like, really.
00:25:15.900 I mean, uh, you know, my situation, like, no, like, where I currently am at in, in life right now.
00:25:22.140 I want to, I want to announce it here.
00:25:24.100 But, uh, as soon as my contract is over and, and it's done and over with, I'm probably going to go in and try to be a community builder of some sort.
00:25:34.760 I mean, there's simply no way of winning back North America through the political system by any means.
00:25:40.580 It's just retarded. 1.00
00:25:44.060 But. 0.90
00:25:44.760 No, no.
00:25:45.160 So God willing, right?
00:25:46.780 God willing, yes.
00:25:47.960 So we may end up losing some territory here, but I have to really start getting those that are scattered, you know, that are woke and wanting to help their community and just really put them in a higher concentrated area, build a community and start families.
00:26:09.400 That's what I see myself doing is being some kind of traditionalist community builder of some sort for.
00:26:15.660 Yeah, well, that, that is, that is definitely one of the most important things, you know, and that could be difficult.
00:26:23.560 That's, you know, that's, you know, hence the importance of, of, you know, family building because obviously the family is the smallest version of society in the state that you directly have control over.
00:26:32.680 Absolutely.
00:26:33.020 And if you, right, if you get married and you have five children, well, you know, there you go, right?
00:26:39.700 Right.
00:26:39.980 And so, I mean, yeah.
00:26:43.100 So the, the idea is that, you know, you create these sort of nucleuses of, of sanity, of, of orthodox society.
00:26:51.000 And then you do, you know, you do, you know, you do, which is within your power to reduce the power that the state has and increase the power that your own alternative organization has.
00:27:04.940 And firstly, that's the spiritual power, obviously the commanding the primary loyalty, but, you know, secondarily, that's economic power.
00:27:11.180 And power can be easily defined as the ability to reward people who engage in behavior that you like and to punish people who engage in behavior that you do not like.
00:27:19.520 So I'm not suggesting that you should kill your local Baalbad. 1.00
00:27:23.900 No, no, not, not siege.
00:27:26.840 Right.
00:27:28.140 You know, but within that framework of trying to take away power from the state and, you know, from the state, from the regime at large, sort of from the Babylonian system, you know, there's like lots of good, good, you know, ideas that follow exactly the same line.
00:27:44.820 You know, economic primarily, that if you can keep resources within that kind of closed community, you know, and to employ people, to work for people, to cook for people, to produce goods and services for people.
00:28:03.500 I thought about doing that, thought about opening a restaurant or a shop of some sort just to have people, you know, mingle around, putting in our theoretical community, be a good meeting spot for people to just socialize because a lot of us who are woke and red-pilled or don't really have much of a social life because of our values now.
00:28:24.640 Right, well, and that's a big problem, you know, and is that people, you know, to be happy, to be correct, you know, you have to have, you have to be properly socialized.
00:28:35.220 Yeah, you have to have human interaction.
00:28:37.180 You can't just be on your computer all day memeing.
00:28:39.580 Right, and I also, I know, I would definitely also counsel people against, you know, let's say that they get sort of woke and they have this kind of radical worldview.
00:28:48.380 Well, you know, that doesn't mean that you have to divorce yourself from the kind of normies in your life or anything like that, especially not your family, God forbid.
00:28:57.640 You know, the way that you deal with your mother shouldn't be based on politics.
00:29:03.000 I mean, it should be based on values, and there are certainly circumstances where the value conflicts are so radical that you might not be able to talk to them.
00:29:10.360 Which is, well, I'm not going to get into it now.
00:29:14.320 I was going to dive into more of my personal life, but then again, it's not such a good idea due to doxing reasons.
00:29:20.320 Yeah, typically not.
00:29:21.380 But just to summarize it, I forget about it.
00:29:25.240 Anyhow.
00:29:27.020 Right.
00:29:27.640 But that's it, is that sometimes, and unfortunately, people are in such a position, you know, and, you know, if you are, it's perfectly reasonable to have grounds for engagement with members of your family or people in your life that are reasonable, you know, and sometimes that runs into value conflicts that are irreconcilable and personality conflicts and so forth.
00:29:49.300 And, you know, God willing, if you have enough humility to make sure that you're not, you know, exacerbating the problems through being, through whatever, sometimes that's unfortunately the case is that you have to, you know, not permanently sever, but maybe not talk to them.
00:30:05.280 But, yeah, just temporarily be distant.
00:30:08.280 Now, that should be really only something that you do if there's no other option, especially with members of your family.
00:30:14.320 But it's, you know, it's the same thing with people in your life, right?
00:30:22.400 You know, so it's a, this kind of comes back to, like, the whole thing.
00:30:27.500 I mean, part of this is just to, you have to be healthy, you know, you have to have a good life in a capital G sense where you, you know, you can live, right?
00:30:39.860 You can live and you're not wandering around gripped by dependence to, you know, liquor or drugs.
00:30:46.800 You're not, you know, miserable.
00:30:48.540 You're not consumed with, you know, your own internal BS.
00:30:52.240 And, you know, many of us fall into that.
00:30:55.140 I was talking to a good friend of mine the other day about, you know, for instance, with alcoholism.
00:30:59.380 That's a scourge of many people in the far right because, you know, they, things are pretty, pretty bleak for many of them.
00:31:08.200 And, you know, they turn to liquor, of course, as a natural, you know, prop and escape and release.
00:31:14.140 You know, I'm drinking bourbon right now.
00:31:15.480 I've got nothing against liquor.
00:31:16.900 I'm certainly not a moralizer.
00:31:18.580 But they can be very destructive, right, as we all know.
00:31:23.000 If it's not properly controlled, then some people, they just can't, they can't drink, right?
00:31:27.260 And it's, so, you know, these are things that we have to be, we have to be aware of.
00:31:31.960 And if we find ourselves in such situations, try and make steps to control and to reform our life.
00:31:37.820 You know, and we all have our issues.
00:31:39.220 We all have our vices that we have to overcome.
00:31:41.560 And this is especially true in North America.
00:31:43.960 And I think that, you know, if we look at, like, what's happened with the far right since the election of Donald Trump and the complete, like, flaming collapse of any sort of right-wing organizational structure, this has been primarily due to not only, you know, ideological worldly defects, but personality defects.
00:32:03.520 Right.
00:32:03.840 I think after his election, after his victory, a lot of people, I'll even admit it, including myself, kind of got a bit complacent, even though many swore to, like, hey, let's, we're not putting our trust in the system.
00:32:16.660 We're just going to use him as a tourniquet to try to slow things down that are coming against us.
00:32:22.300 But anyhow, it's, it is, it is first and foremost, indeed, a internal conflict.
00:32:30.480 Right.
00:32:31.080 Regarding spirituality, like, regarding spirituality and.
00:32:35.120 Yeah, right.
00:32:35.960 That's it.
00:32:36.300 And so that's, you know, that's a very difficult thing because we all have, we all have vices that are stamped on us, usually from, you know, childhood, right?
00:32:48.680 We grow up in a society which incentivizes passions and which cultivates them and vice and wickedness and evil.
00:32:55.620 And especially if you're a convert to the faith, a lot of people that I've run into are converts, you know, they're converts because they've seen spiritual evil, right? 0.89
00:33:06.780 And sometimes that's in the world, sometimes that's in themselves, sometimes that's both.
00:33:09.860 And, you know, when you encounter that real evil out there in the world, you know, it affects you, marks you, right?
00:33:17.080 And it takes time and, you know, toil and diligence to, to be purified and to be cleansed, to be healed from that.
00:33:22.800 That's why it's so important, you know, at the foundation, just go to church frequently, go to confession, God willing, every week, try to receive communion, you know, on Sundays and major feast days.
00:33:30.660 And then part of that, you know, over time, that's the, the continual purification or approach, but with Christ, his grace fills you more and more, right?
00:33:40.380 You know, you, you, you become deified, but it's a process.
00:33:43.840 It's a process, you know, Christ is not a wizard and magician and the sacraments are not magic.
00:33:48.260 It's part of an over, it's like a hospital for the soul, right?
00:33:51.140 Is the, is the classic example and analogy.
00:33:57.860 Very well put.
00:34:00.660 So, what other questions do you have in your, your dossier?
00:34:09.640 I didn't think it would be over this, this quickly, but I wish I had more.
00:34:17.560 Oh, that's okay.
00:34:18.260 I mean, we can, we can, we can sort of just, just talk.
00:34:20.780 I mean, but, well, yeah, I mean, I think that personally,
00:34:30.460 you know, I've been reflecting a lot on similar topics with some like-minded individuals,
00:34:36.100 you know, in real life and, you know, discussing strategies and discussing tactics and, you know,
00:34:42.860 God willing, there will, so there's kind of, there will be a book, a compendium of articles
00:34:50.940 written by, shall we say, orthodox dissidents.
00:34:59.080 I'm not going to give you any more details, but you're going to keep your eyes peeled.
00:35:03.060 What do you mean by orthodox dissidents?
00:35:08.020 Well, I mean, people of our worldview and thinking, basically, on the orthodox solution to the world.
00:35:13.480 Ah, I see.
00:35:15.120 Right.
00:35:15.580 And the orthodox approach to dealing with the problems of modernity and the situation that we find ourselves in.
00:35:20.200 And so part of that, you know, I've been reflecting on kind of two different things.
00:35:23.980 Like, one is the reality of community organizing and the essential importance of that fact, right?
00:35:30.920 You know, I mean, this is a very difficult thing because it's, we all know it, you know,
00:35:37.600 you can't just pull a super red-pilled, you know, trad orthodox community, you know, out of nothing, right?
00:35:45.080 Sometimes people are lucky enough to come into a very traditional one, but in the North American context,
00:35:50.020 it's fraught with issues, whether it's, you know, an ethnic divide, an worldview divide,
00:35:54.740 ideological divide, all these different things.
00:35:58.120 You know, and so to that end, there's a certain amount of luck involved, frankly, geographically speaking.
00:36:09.240 It's a big issue.
00:36:09.980 You know, I mean, I talk to orthodox people a lot, people interested in orthodoxy,
00:36:13.280 that are very far from their nearest church, and their nearest church might be some lukewarm OCA or Greek parish, right? 0.99
00:36:19.580 And that's not, you know, that doesn't satisfy what they're after.
00:36:22.480 I mean, they want, you know, the full hardcore truth, right?
00:36:25.260 So to that end, you know, you have to do what you possibly can in your situation and rely on God.
00:36:31.020 It's another reason why it's very important that young people, young orthodox people,
00:36:35.280 who feel that they have a calling to the priesthood need to seriously examine the potential of that.
00:36:42.100 That, you know, if you feel drawn in this direction, talk to your spiritual father, you know, consider going to seminary.
00:36:49.180 That the best thing that we can possibly do, you know, is to, you know, create more orthodox clerics with such a mindset that can help galvanize and organize that community.
00:37:02.640 But again, it's not all up to the clerics, right?
00:37:06.480 It's the whole body of Christ that needs to be organized in such a fashion.
00:37:10.420 And so this is why the family is so important, that if you have an orthodox family, even if you don't have access to such a church, well, the house is its own church.
00:37:18.180 And it's not sufficient.
00:37:19.380 Well, it's not, you know, you're going to suffer, no question.
00:37:22.820 That's what we're promised by Christ.
00:37:23.980 But is something, something real and concrete, you know, and that to give a young child the benefit of a wholesome environment and worldview and upbringing based on traditional principles is the greatest thing that you can do in order to struggle for the kingdom of God.
00:37:41.340 I mean, this is, this is how people work.
00:37:44.600 Most people, historically speaking, who are not monks, work out their salvation is in the context of their family life and in their social life, you know.
00:37:52.600 And a lot of this is, you know, not necessarily so explicitly political.
00:37:57.900 Again, it's super political.
00:37:59.760 It comes back to the values and the charity and to build up a culture of charity, of solidarity, economically, spiritually.
00:38:07.740 And that's what we're commanded to by Christ, that, you know, the world shall know us by the love that we have for one another.
00:38:13.680 And so that could be as simple as, you know, going early to church to, you know, help Batushka, you know, get things ready or whatever the parish demands of you, financial contributions, you know, anything that, you know, you can think of.
00:38:32.300 Going to visit, you know, sick Babushka, right, in the hospital, you know, cleaning up your parish ground. 0.98
00:38:40.380 This is basic stuff.
00:38:41.540 I mean, it sounds mundane, but it's important.
00:38:44.320 Absolutely.
00:38:44.680 And especially it's in the hospitality that we show for one another to receive Orthodox people, even if they're not necessarily some sort of super woke person, to receive Orthodox people with the true Christian spirit of love and warmth.
00:39:00.500 This makes an impression on people, and it's what we're commanded to do.
00:39:04.680 And, you know, when people, if you're known as a source of the, of Christian love, of radiance and warmth, well, you know, people are well disposed towards you, and they can see it in you.
00:39:14.780 They can see your struggle.
00:39:16.280 And when you present your worldview, they know that it comes from a place of integration, of healthfulness, of virtue, that it's not just some sort of crazy, you know, whatever, ramblings.
00:39:28.120 They're much, they're much better disposed to accept a, you know, coming over to your point of view, right.
00:39:36.520 And, again, that comes back to the reality of the spiritual life, you know, all of this stuff, it can't be, can't be done in a false spirit.
00:39:42.860 It has to be, it has to be real, right.
00:39:44.700 And, you know, that requires working on our own spiritual issues, which is, of course, the lifelong task, so.
00:39:54.060 Very good advice.
00:39:55.260 Very well put.
00:39:58.120 Right.
00:39:59.320 Well, and so the second thing, so that's one of the issues, I think, that's going to be addressed in this untitled forthcoming work.
00:40:06.280 But, you know, secondarily, it's going to be sort of a compendium of articles, I guess is the way to put it, from several different authors.
00:40:14.900 The second thing that I, for me specifically, is, obviously people who are listeners of Mysterium Fashion, this is going to be a total review.
00:40:24.780 But, kind of the, on the one hand, the necessity of Orthodox people to act towards political justice, and then the necessity of people who are wanting, want to act towards political justice to have an Orthodox foundation.
00:40:40.840 And that's been the whole point of Mysterium Fashion is that the whole idea is to kind of bring those two pieces of the puzzle together, where you see what the manifestation of a legitimate Orthodox political philosophy is in the context of the modern world.
00:40:58.420 And also the people who want political justice from a right-wing perspective, why you can't ignore the theology of it.
00:41:07.260 The theology is the center and anchor of everything.
00:41:09.820 It's not just a dry academic position, but the reality of the mystery and the spirituality as you live it in your life.
00:41:16.820 That virtue and philosophical integrity all spring from the same source, the logos, that's Christ.
00:41:24.360 And so the whole purpose of the article will be trying to lay out that kind of chain.
00:41:37.300 If you see that you have, that the modern world has incredible and deep injustices and wickedness and evil, well, you want to address such problems, you want change, whether in your own life and society at large.
00:41:52.040 Well, you need a perspective from which you can make such a claim.
00:41:55.840 I mean these are not – as humans, we have a certain nature, so we react in a certain way.
00:42:01.720 But at the end of the day, if you want to be serious, you actually have to have reasons for why you do things beyond just it feels correct.
00:42:08.140 And so, I mean if something is unjust, well, why is it unjust?
00:42:10.780 What's your foundation of seeking some sort of readdress of grievances?
00:42:14.620 If the tyranny of the modern economic system – well, why is that wrong?
00:42:21.000 Well, why – because that's the thing.
00:42:24.600 Some people in the far right, they have the worldview of well, might mix right.
00:42:29.640 Well, if that's true, then the oligarchic capitalists, the Yehud, they're correct. 0.97
00:42:34.600 I mean they wield the economic power.
00:42:36.780 They've conquered and dominated the world.
00:42:39.760 So they're correct, and it's you who are wrong by your own worldview, right?
00:42:46.520 So that's the thing. You can't hold such positions and make claims to justice, to readdress grievances.
00:42:52.600 You need to actually have some sort of superlative, transcendental reality to appeal to.
00:42:59.700 That would be pretty hypocritical of them having that worldview of might makes right.
00:43:05.100 Anyways, go ahead. I didn't mean to interrupt there.
00:43:07.540 No, no, no. Please, please. Please go ahead.
00:43:10.080 I was just commenting because I was quiet for a long time.
00:43:13.660 So anyways, I was just letting you know I'm still here, still engaging.
00:43:17.980 Of course, of course.
00:43:20.100 Yeah, and so that's the thing is that you have to have consistency, and these things quickly unravel.
00:43:26.640 It's just because most people, they operate off of emotions, and they don't have that kind of theology or philosophy, which is necessary because these things have to be sustainable.
00:43:36.120 You know, secondarily, from the other perspective, right, is that, you know, for orthodox people, well, you know, not all orthodox people because not every person is political, right?
00:43:48.480 Women, by and large, are not political, okay? 1.00
00:43:51.000 They don't have a political, you know, impetus or galvanization despite the lies of modernity and, you know, totalitarian democracy and communism on one hand and the other.
00:44:05.740 But especially if you're a man of decent character and ability, you know, you do have a duty to advocate and witness to the gospel and part of the reality of that gospel.
00:44:19.060 In fact, the greatest context of the gospel besides worship, correct worship of God and the mystery, is the social dimension, how you deal with your fellows.
00:44:27.440 And politics is one part of human organization, and we know that Christ has come to deify and to uplift all of human relations, and politics is no exception.
00:44:37.440 And so the manifestation of justice in society should be one of the chief concerns for those who want to see Christian charity prevail in the social realm.
00:44:47.580 And, you know, that means that when you're coming from a traditional worldview, the enforcement of natural law at a minimum, and it doesn't have to be some sort of, you know, legionary state or some sort of, you know, czar anointed by God in order to achieve such things.
00:45:03.220 You know, an orthodox Christian can go along with, relatively speaking, any political system that is willing to enforce basic natural law, of course.
00:45:11.260 But what we have is the complete opposite in 21st century North America.
00:45:16.740 We have a system that not only is not enforcing natural law, but is perverting it and doing the inverse.
00:45:23.680 Perverting it in every way imaginable, basically.
00:45:26.860 Right. That's it.
00:45:27.860 So you have a system which is taking, you know, it's not that they're taking your money and then not giving you justice.
00:45:34.480 Well, they're taking your money and tyrannizing you.
00:45:36.580 And beyond tyranny, you know, the Roman Empire tyrannized Christians who paid taxes.
00:45:42.120 But they are trying to pervert the very – they're committing blasphemy against the Holy Spirit in a systematic and total way which could never have been imagined by the Roman emperors and by the state.
00:45:52.920 Where people don't even have the framework to say what's right and what's wrong.
00:45:58.220 They take the essence of human anthropology, you know, gender, relationships between men and women, the point of the telos of life, and then they smash it into pieces. 0.66
00:46:09.480 They reduce it to that kind of – that flux, right?
00:46:11.540 That sludge, that brown goo, you know, and this antichrist system is the Babylon, you know, the spiritual Babylon.
00:46:23.380 And so as Orthodox Christians, any serious Orthodox Christian has a duty to oppose that noetic Babylon, first of all within themselves, obviously. 0.98
00:46:32.520 But if you're a politically responsible person, typically men, you have to oppose that in your society. 0.78
00:46:41.100 And, you know, that means advocating for – if not, of course not a perfect political solution, not LARPing, but something that conforms to natural law at the minimum.
00:46:52.000 And so that's going to be kind of the overview of what I'm going to present.
00:46:54.280 I mean, and the people who – again, if you listen to Syrian fascists, this is nothing new.
00:46:57.580 We all understand this.
00:46:58.680 This is why we try to do what we do and think what we think is because we want to see, you know, the realization of a society and in communities that, you know, just are normal in the sense that they have the rudiments of natural law are being adapted, you know, healthy families, basic justice, economically speaking.
00:47:18.840 You know, these kind of things.
00:47:20.100 And, you know, and again, this is – this comes back to the issue is that especially as we see, you know, the boomers' generation are dying away. 0.71
00:47:33.360 This is a big issue in the church.
00:47:35.500 You know, we say we have clerics, bishops, many of whom might be traditional, many of whom might even be woke, right?
00:47:44.220 But they don't necessarily understand the social context of the youth and the current – the generation who's blossoming up.
00:47:52.400 They don't kind of realize that like for some Zoomer today, well, he doesn't have any serious hopes of like being able to be like the breadwinner for a family and own his own property and have a traditional wife who – 0.54
00:48:11.220 you know, at least a good woman, not even traditional wife, like a decent woman who is not going to divorce him and steal his money and his children, right? 0.96
00:48:20.560 I mean these – that's unlikely for a Zoomer. 1.00
00:48:24.360 And that I think a lot of these bishops and priests, they don't get that, that fundamental social reality.
00:48:30.360 And that's one advantage where people who are coming from such generations or millennials or Zoomers or Gen X who do get that. 0.99
00:48:37.400 That's why it's so important that you need to be active.
00:48:39.300 You need to communicate this reality.
00:48:41.200 And you need to do what you can in order to try and address and reach out to these people and help them, to uplift them, you know, who want something good, right? 0.98
00:48:48.460 And, you know, that's I think a point that we can be very hopeful in is that as things get worse, we see that among the youth, well, they realize that they've been handed a bag of shit to be vulgar and they want something better than that. 0.80
00:49:00.020 They want something, you know, that does not try to extort them openly, especially among young men who are receiving the brunt of this extortion. 0.71
00:49:09.360 You know, and so I think that, well, of course we understand, but we focus our efforts in helping these people, you know, especially, you know, you see young men in your parishes, in your community and whatever, to look upon them as younger brothers, right?
00:49:23.540 To try and give them what you can of Christian love and of healthy upbringing and correct values, support them, all this, you know?
00:49:31.520 And these are basic points, but they're critical because that's what life is made out of.
00:49:34.920 You know, most of life is not politics.
00:49:36.280 It's not in the sense of, you know, formal ideology.
00:49:40.220 It's the inaction of values between people.
00:49:43.520 So.
00:49:46.500 Very well said.
00:49:49.560 I guess this can, we can just cut this interview short as, you can blame me for my unpreparedness.
00:49:55.420 I wish I had thought of more questions, but I guess.
00:49:58.380 No problem.
00:50:01.680 Yeah, well, that's it.
00:50:02.840 No, I mean, that's no problem.
00:50:03.620 And, you know, I'd be, I'd be glad to, to return for, for a part two at a later date.
00:50:08.000 I guess we can have our last question here.
00:50:11.400 It's, uh, what does the future of Mysterium Fashies look like?
00:50:15.700 Oh, if we may have already touched on this, will the show continue on some more or will it draw to a close?
00:50:21.280 Well, so here's the thing.
00:50:23.400 God willing, I'll be able to make some, some more episodes intermittently.
00:50:26.460 I mean, I can't, especially during, during the summer when I'm not, uh, engaged in full-time studies.
00:50:31.920 I hope to make some more content, and I hope to do more things like interviews with you or different people, that kind of thing, to contribute in whatever way.
00:50:38.880 But long-term, I'm not certain, you know, that it can be kept up indefinitely for reasons of, of OPSEC that, um, you know, that I need, uh, the worst thing that could be done is for the activity of Mysterium Fashies to get me doxed and to raise a lot of stink.
00:51:01.880 And to, um, you know, hinder what I'm trying to do, let's just say vocationally, okay?
00:51:11.140 Understandable.
00:51:12.260 Right, without going into too many details.
00:51:14.280 And so, I have a very strong feeling that it's important to just kind of lay low and to take a lower profile and that kind of thing and not get myself in a whole bunch of crap and mess up, um, things that I'm trying to do.
00:51:31.880 So, in, that, that will be, God willing, to the benefit of, to the Church and to our people here in Mataparaka.
00:51:39.500 No, so, but in the end, who knows?
00:51:40.880 It's in God's hands, right?
00:51:42.000 I mean, that's, uh, you know, I have to be a good fatalist and accept what comes.
00:51:45.940 And, perhaps, in time, you know, let's say Mysterium Fashies, after a couple of years, can no longer be sustained even irregularly.
00:51:54.780 Perhaps there will be other iterations or things that I can do, um, in the far future.
00:51:59.500 Sure.
00:52:00.000 Um, but at least the archive will always be here, so.
00:52:03.940 Right.
00:52:04.940 God willing, God willing, you know, and, frankly, you know, to all of the listeners and fans, you know, I'm deeply flattered by your appreciation.
00:52:13.080 And, and, more than that, I want to, uh, ask for your prayers.
00:52:18.280 Um, you know, they're definitely needed.
00:52:20.100 We all need to be praying for each other in, uh, in such times, because that spiritual support is critical.
00:52:27.140 It's foundational with our love, you know?
00:52:29.200 Well, especially as members of the church together, something we, we have, we're committed to, committed to.
00:52:35.100 So, I would appreciate deeply, you know, your prayers and your support, and especially to ascribe glory to God above all things.
00:52:46.040 That if, in any way, these lectures or materials have been helpful to you, understand that truth always comes from God, and to him is the glory and honor and power, rather than his unworthy agents.
00:52:59.420 Well, your lectures, your podcasts have been a great, big help to me.
00:53:05.540 I mean, as I was even inquiring in Orthodoxy, I stumbled across your, uh, your, uh, your podcast years ago, and I found what I was looking for, and I just want to say thank you for making Mysterium Fascis, and I only hope to pass this, uh, information, lectures, and content, uh, on for the future generations to come.
00:53:29.420 And, and, yeah, you, you are indeed missed, uh, Florian.
00:53:34.860 Like, uh, Mysterium Fascis is, I think the people want, on, are cheering, on, I think your listeners are just, just cheering, encore, encore.
00:53:45.980 But, uh.
00:53:46.720 Well, you know, you, you, you, and everyone else, they honor me.
00:53:50.300 They honor me.
00:53:50.840 And it's, um, it's very flattering.
00:53:54.880 And I'll try to do what I can.
00:53:56.720 I'll try to do what I can.
00:53:57.520 But I don't want to assure people.
00:53:58.380 No, no pressure.
00:53:59.420 No pressure.
00:54:00.240 Of course.
00:54:01.100 But that, you know, I, I understand, and I feel it, you know, and, uh, I know that there's a, it sort of occupies a certain role that other, that other podcasts or content don't.
00:54:12.480 You know, there's not a lot of that good content these days, and people want this.
00:54:16.840 And that it's edifying.
00:54:17.920 I, I really do feel that.
00:54:19.780 Um, but you just have to trust that, you know, that if I'm not producing this content, it's not that of laziness.
00:54:25.320 It's because I'm trying to, to serve God and to serve our people in other ways.
00:54:31.180 We all have our own lives as well.
00:54:33.920 So, it's, it's totally understandable.
00:54:37.300 I mean, is there any last, uh, remarks or advice, uh, you'd like to give to your, to the audience and, uh, to your listeners?
00:54:45.920 Well, aside from, uh, you know, redoubling my, uh, request that people, people pray for me, um, just, just to not lose hope.
00:54:56.640 So, this isn't critical, to not give in to despair and despondency and, I mean, the lethargy of daily life and to take care of yourself spiritually firstly, you know.
00:55:06.860 And that's the foundation of everything is, is our persons.
00:55:09.980 And we all have our issues again, you know, it's easy to say, but make sure that you, the foundations are correct.
00:55:17.740 You go to church if you can, if, you know, pray every day.
00:55:21.040 You know, struggle and to keep things balanced, you know, eat properly, you know, take care of yourself, socialize with friends, be good to your family members, to other Christians, basic regular things, you know, to, to be healthy.
00:55:36.400 To be healthy, it's the most important thing because without that, without at least something, basic core of sanity in this wicked and very diseased world, we can't do anything.
00:55:45.420 And I think if we've seen anything of the, the, the spectacular failure of our movement in the last couple of years, it's that the lack of internal spiritual health and the ability to, to say truth but not to live it in your life, this is the greatest unfold we will have.
00:56:05.420 And so, I would just encourage the foundation, which is Christ, that's everything, that's everything.
00:56:11.080 So, you know, go to church, love your family and your community, worship God correctly, and do what you can to help our people.
00:56:20.860 That's all that we can really be demanded of at the Day of Judgment.
00:56:24.600 And, you know, I try my best to, to do my part.
00:56:29.620 That's it.
00:56:31.660 Well, Florian, I just want to thank you again for allowing me to interview you and just allowing and just to have a, have an update for the listeners.
00:56:40.660 There's, uh, that have been commenting on the Archive channel, you know, just to see how you, just to see how you've been, you know, people have been wondering, like, what's the status of Florian Geyer?
00:56:51.620 But anyhow, uh, you know, thanks for coming on, and to the listeners, I apologize, this is my first, uh, recording first podcast ever.
00:57:00.360 I've got a lot to learn and a lot to improve on as far as, uh, communications and talking goes.
00:57:06.260 Well, I think that we can, uh, on that, uh, high note, bid them shalom.
00:57:10.280 We'll see you next time.
00:57:40.280 Hey, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho.
00:57:48.420 Als führt der Fleuang Geier ran, trotzacht und bann, den Bohnschub für der Rinderfahn hat Helm und Hardisch an.
00:58:04.420 Als Adam Grubon wie verspann, hey, ja, ho, wo war denn da der Riedelmann?
00:58:16.520 Hey, ja, ho, spieß voran, hey, auf und dran, setzt das Klosterdach den roter Heimhorn, spieß voran, hey, auf und dran, hängt am Fensterkreuz den Herrentagablan.
00:58:35.520 Bei Weinsberg setzt es Brand und Stank, hey, ja, ho, gar mancher über die Klinge sprang, hey, ja, ho, des Edelmannes Pöchterlein, hey, ja, ho, will heute noch geschändet sein.
00:59:05.380 Hey, ja, ho, ho, spieß voran, hey, auf und dran, setzt das Klosterdach den roter Heimhorn, spieß voran, hey, auf und dran, hängt am Fensterkreuz den Herrentagablan.
00:59:24.380 Vielen Dank.
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