Aristocles of Kultukamp fame and Tharu of Radio Free Skyrim fame join me to discuss the Alt-Right's policy on gays in the movement, and why they should not be allowed in the alt-right.
01:13:37.560So usury, in essence, used to refer to the sin of charging exorbitant interest fees on loans or any sort of compound interest for that matter.
01:13:45.720But at the heart of what usury is, is basically the modern financial system.
01:13:53.360What usury is, is it's the false creation of capital.
01:13:55.880When we say capital, when we say capital, we're referring to real goods and services, capital is things like a fish plant or a car or a thousand pounds of cotton.
01:14:36.460The additional interest on this loan, the additional interest on this loan, the additional interest on this loan, the additional interest on this loan, nothing.
01:14:40.620When the United States practices fractional reserve banking system, and they stipulate that banks only have to retain one seventh of the actual loans that they give out.
01:14:49.700Well, where does this money come from that they give out?
01:14:51.700It's not physical currency in circulation.
01:15:03.200Usury is the tool that the international click uses to control Western civilization through its financial system.
01:15:09.960We've talked about before on the show, the petrodollar, the idea that in the United States, military might and economic stability go hand in hand, that the United States can only continue to exist as a world imperial power because it's forced OPEC to sell oil only in the United States dollars.
01:15:25.780And this is how it's able to do things like quantitative easing, where it prints more money, prints more usurious fake capital into the country.
01:15:32.340And there's not inflation because the demand for the dollar stays high because you have to use it in order to trade in oil.
01:15:40.500And so organizations like the IMF and the World Bank explicitly cooperate in the system.
01:15:49.800You know, we have big names associated with this Rockefellers, Rothschilds, right?
01:15:54.180De Beers, Warburgs, you know, just to bring up a few.
01:18:58.140This is the struggle of the entire international financial system.
01:19:01.320It's going to come down to China and the United States.
01:19:03.300These are the two big powers at stake here.
01:19:04.600Russia could do it as well, but they're more liminal because their economy doesn't have the same robust industrial firmament that China does.
01:23:35.440In this specific area, I've found the best people with the best critiques and the best observations and who are opposed to this sort of system are actually anarchists.
01:23:46.940Specifically, David Graeber, who is a Jew.
01:23:54.560But his book, you know, Debt, the First 5,000 Years, is a phenomenal book on the history and sort of ideas and evolution of how debt, as we know it, has come to be.
01:24:11.500And, yeah, it's sort of ironic that you get these people who are opposed to the system but belong to the tribe that's responsible for creating that very system they're opposed to.
01:24:23.300I mean, I'm sure that there will always be certain parts of a parasitic life form and an organ that will be saying, like, listen, mate, you guys are kind of fucking it up.
01:24:34.500I'm not getting the blood I need to stay alive, you know?
01:24:38.040Yeah, we're not getting as many foreskins as we can to sacrifice them a lot.
01:24:42.680Another really good book, well, two books actually, and in Tharo's vein actually also by Marxists this time is Maurizio Lazzarato's Governing by Debt and the Making of the Indebted Man.
01:25:03.040He basically describes how debt is becoming more and more kind of the rule, like the condition of ruling of choice in the 21st century because the age of kind of raw totalitarian power is fading basically on the horizon.
01:25:21.140So now you have this kind of indebted economic, purely economic chains, shackles around people.
01:25:30.720It's interesting you mentioned, I mean, this is what this is about is usury, and if you go back and you think about the origins of this idea of debt, like debt itself isn't actually a bad thing.
01:25:42.100It's conducive to more cohesive functioning, moderately sized cities, and basically it evolved, and this is actually how credit came first, actually, is essentially if Nat is a blacksmith,
01:26:00.720and I am an ironsmith, I make the tools that Nat needs to be a blacksmith, he comes to me and I say,
01:26:15.860all right, I'll give you what you need to get started right now, not for free, but basically as an IOU.
01:26:23.180So now I've given you a stick, and that stick represents this idea of a debt that you have to me for basically giving you what you need to start your forge to be a smithy.
01:26:42.060And so you can do two things with this debt.
01:26:44.300One, you can sit on it, or you can allow it to be paid back.
01:26:50.460Now, if it gets – well, you can't really deny it be paid back.
01:26:54.360It can be paid back at any time, but what you can do is you can hold it or you can transfer it.
01:26:58.820So someone else comes to me, or I go to someone – I go to a farmer, and I need a certain amount of food for my family,
01:27:05.940but I don't actually have any goods myself, but I do have this IOU, this credit, from Nat.
01:27:14.120And so I transfer this credit from Nat to the farmer, and in return, the farmer gives me food that I need.
01:27:19.640And so this is – and this is basically how this worked at the beginning.
01:27:25.740Now, the interesting thing here is that notice there's no transit – there's no slavery yet.
01:27:31.200And this is the idea behind usury is that it's the – like the fundamental idea behind this sort of interest as usury is it's enslaving somebody.
01:27:39.500Because the debt itself, when you introduce interest, like you said earlier, comes out of nowhere.
01:27:49.780And so you're – so now in the example before, you get – it's very tangible.
01:27:55.640You can see what the debt is and where it's come from, but with the interest, you can't.
01:27:59.920And so it seems the most fictional, the most unjust, somewhat cruel, and it's enslaving.
01:28:05.980And this is what the modern interest-based system essentially is.
01:28:11.040It's a way to enslave people off of an intangible, unknowable, sort of incomprehensible form of debt.
01:28:18.300And put that way, I mean anybody can – you don't have to be a fucking intellectual to understand that this is fucking bad and unjust and, you know, it's Jewish.
01:28:31.340But wouldn't you say, too, in a grand historical point, in a sense, that kind of the trajectory towards the highest level abstraction and, therefore, the highest amount of kind of ceiling of debt, you could say, is necessary so that –
01:29:18.840I mean, I would say – in my opinion, I would say it doesn't.
01:29:22.500And actually, Adam Smith rebuked the central position of this guy named – this Jew in the French Enlightenment, Pinto, who advocated an interest-based system was the best system.
01:29:38.060An interest-based primarily focused on – system primarily focused on stocks, stock markets.
01:29:43.940This is in the French Enlightenment, mind you, 300 years ago, was the most healthy system for a healthy society.
01:29:51.580And Adam Smith rebuked somebody close to him, though unnamed, who parroted this Jewish economist, Pinto, position and said that that's insane.
01:30:04.580It's absolutely not the healthiest thing.
01:30:06.560It's the most deleterious thing a society could do to itself, and it will ultimately, fundamentally destroy itself if it did that.
01:30:15.580So I would say that actually, no, I don't think that this sort of terminal point that we've come to regarding, quote-unquote, capitalism was ever necessary or sufficient.
01:30:25.560I think it's an artificial abstraction that's been engineered by a hostile group that's seen capitalism as sort of the best method for usury.
01:30:52.860One of the principles of the Talmud is that, you know, you can't charge usury within the tribe, but you can't charge usury without the tribe.
01:30:58.940Because Jews were very successful merchants in medieval societies, they would be ones with actual capital and a loan out.
01:31:04.900But, you know, let's say you're, you know, John Smith and, you know, you need, you know, a new ox for your farm and you don't have a capital.
01:31:14.460So you go to the local Jewish merchant or the Jewish money lender and you say, give me, you know, loan me an ox.
01:31:20.180But he charges interest because he didn't even fuck your goyim, right?
01:31:24.680And so John Smith can't pay him back come springtime.
01:31:29.300And so Nathaniel, shall we say, the Jewish money lender, comes to John Smith and says, oh, well, you know, you can't pay me back.
01:31:37.200But I'm going to need a little bit of your harvest.
01:31:39.240Just, you know, I mean, but your interest included.
01:31:41.280Before long, John Smith is, you know, giving half of his harvest to Nathaniel, the money lender, so that he can sustain his debt, just pay off the interest based on his debt, right?
01:31:52.340And it spirals out of control from there.
01:31:53.800And you get to the point where Jews would control vast amounts of farmland, real capital, because that's always what they want to do is they want to snare you with usury so you can control the real capital.
01:32:05.240Kings actually used to do this same sort of thing, too.
01:32:07.620But the kings themselves would represent or the feudal lords or vassal lords over their serfs would recognize that this isn't actually healthy.
01:32:14.940And so every couple of years, they would just wipe the debt clean and they would start all over again.
01:32:21.620And so with – and a lot of the times when Jews were kicked out of countries, it was because of this very reason.
01:32:27.240Because they would get aristocrats or noble lords ensnared in their debt and the king would just be like, fuck, you know, we have to kick them out.
01:32:35.960Now, the interesting thing to think, though, is that why is it that the Europeans and the Americans being descended from Europeans haven't learned their lesson yet with these fucking people?
01:33:18.960You think about what the money represents.
01:33:20.720It's the money represents, you know, the buying power to buy goods in your own country.
01:33:26.440And so if you – it's much more convenient and cost-effective to transfer, you know, a million dollars, which can buy you ten times, you know, the weight of the million dollars in actual physical goods than it is to transfer those physical goods.
01:33:46.920And so money is just a foil for convenience and transfer – you know, transfer –
01:33:51.600Right, but you actually have to exchange labor in order to get these – people aren't going to give you ten for free.
01:33:55.980It's reducing a barter system to a more convenient system of, like, moneyed transactions.
01:34:01.480And you see – and for this idea of convenience, I think you see at the heart of a lot of problems in the West is that people are constantly choosing convenience over sort of, you know, immediate convenience over an extended period of suffering versus – and struggle versus, you know, immediate struggle over, you know, in exchange for a longer period of, you know, relative health and stability.
01:34:28.440I think convenience is a really terrible fucking thing, and it, you know, it's seducive – or sorry, seductive.
01:34:37.960You know, you can take the immediate gratification of convenience now and exchanging money over, you know, 100 miles, or you can, you know, take the day or two that it takes to trek 100 miles in a car or a truck.
01:34:51.740Yeah, you're going to get – it's going to be a pain in the ass, but I think that that sort of – that builds a healthier mentality and acts as sort of a –
01:35:03.740Yeah, I think that you make – actually, I think you've very rightly elucidated a critical piece of the historical narrative that I think a lot of people miss.
01:35:12.940The transition from a medieval feudalistic structure of society, which we could call fascistic in its inherent composition, not in the formal sense but in the worldview, to absolute monarchies and more the tendency to ever-centralized executive authorities, to ever-centralized states, you know, is created by basically two things.
01:36:06.040If you're in a city, however, and you've got a consistent demand for your carpentry work because people are building houses all the time, it's a different story.
01:36:15.200And so what happened was in France, throughout the Hundred Years' War, this was, in continental Europe, the formative period of change, the transition period from feudalistic – from feudalistic medievalism, right, into absolute monarchism, okay?
01:36:34.440And so what happened was that when you fight these costly extensive wars, it's draining and dilapidating to the nation.
01:36:42.100Eventually, the nobles, the people, they just won't do it anymore or they can't, right?
01:36:48.820The only way in which you can continue to fight these costly foreign wars for your own executive gain, which is what the Hundred Years' War were.
01:36:55.020I mean, it wasn't for the – on the sake of the people, it was on the sake of the kings of England and the kings of France, right?
01:36:59.720It was for their own personal prestige and aggrandizement.
01:37:02.020The only way you can continue to fight this is if with wealth of credit.
01:37:08.460And so you go to the burrs in the cities, the people who actually possess monetary capital may lend you so much and then you're in debt to them.
01:37:15.620And then when they can offer you no more, the only people who have capital are Jewish money lenders.
01:37:20.340And suddenly, in order to finance your war, right, the Duchy of Burgundy is in league with nefarious forces.
01:37:29.580And once you can – and I'll just lay it out and then go for it through.
01:37:33.300And then once the centralized state can afford to fund a standing army, they don't have to work through local organic authority structures in order to raise men-at-arms.
01:37:42.760And those men-at-arms and those local authority structures, in fact, are deprived of their right to organize and their right to form militias and the right to professional soldiers that are attached to their locality and represent them and their interests.
01:38:25.540And when you move away from that, you know, those bonds start to break down and you have to start to enact all sorts of policies and laws and change the way, change how the social dynamics of the city – I mean, you know, look, I'm a Nietzschean.
01:38:41.080So for me, suffering is something that shouldn't be and ought not to be avoided.
01:38:45.000And for me, convenience or money is just simply, you know, an avoidance of suffering.
01:39:05.960I mean, hey, look, I'm going to use it because, you know, it's what – you know, I'm not going to be, you know, this radical aesthetic like Diogenes.
01:39:14.420And you sort of see somebody drinking out of their hands and crush my cup on the rocks and drink out of hands and sleep in a giant pot.
01:39:23.060But, you know, that's Diogenes of Simonides.
01:39:34.920I mean, you've got to work it within the systems you have.
01:39:39.440But these things, like, sort of getting into the nuances of where these concepts come from and what they mean and sort of how they identify and represent other concepts and objects, really can inform you in how you move towards a sort of – what did you call it?
01:40:08.560No, and I think that that's the – for me, that's what broke me of my capitalism is – and, you know, maybe I would call myself – I'm pro-market because the market is objectively the best tool at generating wealth.
01:40:24.640And so making money always has to be subservient to higher spiritual ideals, right, to higher principles, to justice, to order, to love, to culture, to society, to life.
01:41:16.200If you're sort of a weaver or a tailor or you specialize in some sort of, like, loft manufacturing and you need, like, metal tools or something,
01:41:26.320you go to a blacksmith or whatever the colloquial contemporary term would be, and you exchange money for these things, it's very impersonal.
01:41:35.760You just give them the money and then you leave.
01:41:37.560But if you sort of exchange your own products of your labor with these people, they're going to inspect it to see if it's good quality.
01:41:47.900And throughout the course of that inspection, you'll probably talk to them about stuff that's going on around the community.
01:41:57.760And so, you know, you get the service and you'll start to strike up a conversation.
01:42:02.260And before you know it, you've made this new bond with somebody in your community.
01:42:05.400And now, whenever you need anything, you'll go to him and he knows that you will suggest him to other people.
01:42:13.520And there's this sort of symbiotic reciprocity.
01:42:16.620Whereas if you just go in, you hand somebody some money, and they give you something, and then you're out the door, you miss all of that very human contact.
01:42:27.440And this effect, the atomization of economic interaction, the materialization, you know, also occurs between nations because they don't give a fuck about each other.
01:42:41.800I've got members of my family who have done a lot of business in China, and the way they describe the difference between Chinese businessmen and Western businessmen is like this.
01:42:51.360Western businessmen try to learn the regulation and adhere to it.
01:42:55.060Chinese businessmen learn the regulation and try to get around it.
01:55:45.340If, uh, she's, if she's not a virgin and she's married, well, she doesn't need to be fucking going to college anyway.
01:55:50.880I mean, I, for one, I don't even see why girls need to go to high school, let alone college.
01:55:55.460But, eh, it's a step in the right direction, right?
01:55:58.740Yeah, well, I think that, um, historically speaking, you know, what we saw generally was that, um, tradition gave women enough social technology in order to be good mothers, right?
01:56:08.960The demand for schooling in industrialized society for women, from a social perspective, is twofold.
01:56:16.380Um, one is because you actually have to be literate to interact in our society, right?
01:56:21.380So you need to have at least primary education in order to inculcate critical reading and numerical skills.
01:56:27.820But two, in terms of higher education, I mean, there is a tradition where, you know, higher-end women, the most capable women, right, who can benefit from having, um, their intellect, uh, cultivated, go on to receive higher education.
01:56:42.820Usually at dedicated women's universities.
01:56:45.020It's a, it's a theory Plato advocated, and I actually tend to agree with it, um, but maybe for different reasons.
01:56:54.540Sorry, I think that it's a, it's a, it's a theory that Plato sort of pushed forward and, and proposed, and I tend to agree with it for different reasons.
01:57:03.300Um, the main reason is that, or impetus, I think, um, and this would be, also, the main requirement is that only the most elite of the women in the communities ought to go to universities or schools.
01:57:21.700And with the, with the express knowledge that they're learning so that they can lead, uh, because they are going to be leaders within their community specific, within their specific female communities.
01:57:33.180So, like, in communities, traditionally, there were leaders among the female groups who organized and, and ran things, um, for, like, just, just like men had their own specific clubs and, and groups.
01:57:51.300There are many, there are patriarchal cultures that are matrilineal, where inheritance and descent is traced on, through the mothers, through the matriline.
01:57:59.660And in those societies, matriarchs exercise quite a large amount of power inside of their familial unit.
01:58:07.740Um, without it, but it stays, it's a perfectly patriarchal society.
01:58:10.860I mean, there's, you know, you wouldn't call it pawns.
01:58:13.600Right, and I think, and this is sort of one of the ideas, and this is why feminism just drives me up a wall, is that, you know, I mean,
01:58:19.500whether, whether men like it or not, women are the, they are the gatekeepers to, you know, human existence.
01:58:27.140They control production, um, human reproduction.
01:58:31.660And so, um, if you have the most elite and the most capable intellectually and physically of, of your female population, uh, inculcated and educated with the ideals and the guiding principles and ideals of your society.
01:58:47.340So, for me, it would be a fascist, nationalist society.
01:58:50.960They can then disseminate those very effectively into the, you know, less capable women in a society.
01:59:43.000And it's, uh, you know, it's funny, but even ask your grandparents, you know, I was talking to my granny and she, when she was in high school and she was in elementary school, it was gender segregated education.
01:59:52.820She reported, didn't really affect her or any of her peers.
02:00:09.700And it's part of this, it's part of intergenerational, rational cooperation, right?
02:00:13.700Is we, we, we have, that's, I think that's what's the critical gift, the beauty, the life of the nation is the organic interaction of all elements of society to support each other.
02:00:23.700That everybody's got a place and everybody's got an outward thrust in, in which they, they contribute in some way to the, to the national well-being.
02:00:32.220And so if you're, if you're old, you use your wisdom and your experience in order to instruct the youth, right?
02:00:38.660This is, this is the critical principle of wisdom.
02:00:40.700And this is what the idea of a culture, a society that's based on love is like.
02:00:45.820That everybody is always willing to give to the other.
02:01:32.760Women are bred for producing children and sort of humanizing your children and, and mankind.
02:01:39.320And in that, in that light, because we don't want a bunch of sociopaths running around who just can add a, you know, sort of at the flick of a switch, sort of just turn off their emotions.
02:01:51.140And that's specifically what men are supposed to do.
02:01:54.240But you also need to have this very emotional connection to your brothers and your sisters and your nation.
02:02:02.200And that's the role of the women to sort of inculcate the values of the nation and the values of your children.
02:02:12.980And I think that what, what's important here is to understand is the Jewish disconnection between the family and the rest of the society at large, I think is critical to understand here.
02:02:23.640With the reduction of the family, with the reduction of social roles, operating within the familial unit is seen as less because it's so small.
02:02:32.800The stay-at-home mother, the total sum of her duty in the industrial age is, you know, vacuuming and cooking and taking care of the children.
02:02:39.100Right, but if you're living in a society where you've got, let's say, four or five women in a given household with a dozen children, right, your role in the household is a full-time job.
02:02:50.100And it's much bigger even with industrialized society just because you have all these people to take care of.
02:02:54.420So the ability to successfully humanize and to integrate and to make organic union between all of the members of your household, to inculcate virtue and keep peace and ensure everybody's healthy, this is a fucking critical ability.
02:03:06.880And it has real clout and power in that context.
02:03:10.160And the larger that context is, you know, the more important it becomes.
02:03:14.240It's actually, here's something really, really crucial, a crucial detail in terms of pragmatic thinking in this regard.
02:03:20.940If we force women out of the workforce, if we do this, that automatically implies that the demand from workforce will be greater than before.
02:03:32.520An eventual higher demand from workforce will ultimately mean higher pace.
02:04:01.900Yeah, if they're going to pay somebody else to be a mom for their kid, because most female jobs are professional momming.
02:04:07.860They're school teachers, they're nurses, they're getting paid to be moms, and they're paying other people to be their kids' moms.
02:04:13.380Well, and the other thing is, I mean, I know women who, let's say, you know, I'm the top 5% of women, right, in terms of ability and competence and all this.
02:04:21.240You know, I live in the capital, so I know quite a few bureaucrats, high-level executive women, because of whatever.
02:04:26.840And even these top-tier women, right, that, you know, are the outliers in the true sense.
02:04:35.140The women, the ones who are sane, the ones who are regular, who have families, right, they're, you know, it burns them to the end.
02:04:42.760They're smoking themselves at both ends, because you can't fucking keep up your familial commitments and your job commitments at the same time.
02:04:49.720And this effect is totally compounded if, you know, there's no husband in the relationship, right?
02:04:54.220The idea of the mother, the single professional mother, it's a fucking joke.
02:04:58.680Because you get one or the other is what happens, right?
02:05:00.840If I met Don, my horseshoe, bald haircut, and then scrap me.
02:05:03.980It sounds like you're talking through a cup.