Mysterium Fasces Episode 1 — Christian Fascism
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Summary
Florian Geyer introduces the first episode of Mysterium Fascists, a podcast dedicated to exploring the mysteries of fascism and Christianity. In this episode, Andrew Anglin, Nat Danelaw, and Gavraje Hans discuss the alt-right, and its relationship to Christianity.
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Welcome to the first episode of Mysterium Fascists. I'm Florian Geyer, your host.
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This is a podcast dedicated to exploring the mysteries of fascism and Christianity.
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I'm here with several guests to inaugurate this new podcast series, which I'm very excited
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for. I'm here with Andrew Anglin of the Daily Stormer. Hi, Andrew, how are you doing?
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Okay, thank you very much for joining us. This podcast will be posted on Daily Stormer,
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so look there for a regular Avenue syndication. I've also got Grieva Hans of Iron March and
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Wow. I'm glad I can bring you some pleasure by having you on my podcast. And I've got
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Nat Danelaw, quote, best podcaster in the world. A youth extraordinaire. Thank you for coming
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Excellent. And we've also got Spies of the Young Whites, but he's having some audio issues.
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So hopefully, here he's just come back, so hopefully he'll be able to...
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I didn't hear any... I didn't hear any... I couldn't hear you guys talking at all.
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Okay, well, we've... Anyway, we were just doing introductions. So, Spies, welcome to the
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All right. Okay, so now I have to... Now this has to happen on every episode. I can't come
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Indeed. Indeed. Let's continue. So, as I said, the show's purpose, just to lay down some bedrock
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of what we set out to do, is mostly continue the kind of style of work that I was doing
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in Nationalist Review Online. We're going to get into the details of what happened there
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later on. But, to this end, it's going to be about Christianity and fascism. And that's
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going to be the guiding outline for everything we examine in the show. So, basically, we're
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going to try to navigate the Kali Yuga and all of the incredible degeneracy and challenges
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and various sufferings that brings together. And hopefully, both deconstruct and construct.
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So, without further ado, let's get into some coverage on the alt-right. So, in my last
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episode, I talked about what I think the alt-right's position should be on sodomy. That
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is to say, the last Nationalist Review Online episode. I'll post a link to that in the description.
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I highly suggest everybody check it out. But I think that it's important to get an understanding
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of what is the alt-right. So, we've got the former leader of the alt-right, and we've got
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Andrew Anglin, publisher of the world's number one alt-right website, to talk about this.
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So, Andrew, Nat, and please let us chime in at your discretion. So, what is the alt-right?
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Is the alt-right a true movement, a political movement?
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Well, I hope it is. I don't think it is right now. It's kind of in the beginning stages of
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manifesting as a political movement. Hopefully, it's first an ideology, and then it can become
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a political movement. Right now, we don't have any politicians, so it's not really a political
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movement. We have political positions, but a lot of these positions are being debated still,
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I guess. I mean, apparently, people are still debating the faggot issue. I don't understand this.
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I side with you 100% on that. We don't need these people in our movement. We don't need them
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in our society at all. They're dangerous. And this is, you know, I mean, I guess we'll go into
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this later, but this is not a religious issue. I mean, it is, I guess, for some people, but it
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shouldn't be. It's not exclusively a religious issue. People are a serious problem.
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That's without a doubt true. And if you listen to the podcast that I did last time, most of those
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arguments did not come from religion. They were ones really of practical and tactical effects and
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Well, yeah. And just the idea that a religion would come up with a rule for no reason is
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sort of stupid in itself. I mean, there was obviously a basis for the religious doctrines
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against homosexuality. And I mean, people talk about Christianity. Well, they had the same policies
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in pagan Europe about homosexuality. You know, Himmler talked about this. You throw them in the bulk.
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I think Nat has also famously talked about bogging the faggots.
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Exactly. And I think that's one of the great misconceptions is there's this meme that, oh,
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well, our ancient Aryan ancestors, the ancient pagans, they were, you know, okay with homosex,
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you know, as long as it was between men of unequal social status. That's true in very narrow
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circumstances in Rome and in Greece. But in all of Germanic society, homosex was absolutely not
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tolerated. And it's interesting to note that in ancient Germany, the death penalty was not imposed
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almost ever. The only punishment that the death penalty was utilized in was blood crime or treason
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against your clan and sodomy, homosexuality. In all other instances, if you committed murder or
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serious theft, they would just declare you an outlaw and anybody could take revenge upon you if they
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wanted it. So it definitely is. Go on space. I'm sorry. Well, I was just going to say with the
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Roman and Greek examples, it's not really, it wasn't something that was widespread. You know,
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your farmer on the Roman frontier or something like that in his villa, you know, lower middle class,
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plebeian, that sort of thing, isn't engaging in sodomy. This is, it's something for kind of the
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upper class and, you know, and even then it's not really accepted or, you know, it's just something
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that's done for, um, you know, I don't know, for, uh, just for pleasure, basically, certain upper
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class men. Yeah. And it was recognized as a behavior, not a quote identity as it is now.
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Well, and that's sort of one of the things that I'm always, I'm always railing against. And I think
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that it's hugely important to dispel is gay is not a real thing. Homosexual, that's not a real
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fucking title. Homosexuality is in an act. It's a certain behavior. Sodomy is something you do and
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something you think about. So a sodomite or a man who has sex with men, a sodomite is the most
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accurate term because it describes somebody who actively engages in a behavior. So our problem is
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with people who, you know, have sex with men and people who think about having sex with men,
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everybody else we don't care about. So applying that the label gay is not useful in our circumstance.
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It's, it's, it's convoluted. It's a propaganda term of the left. Yeah. It's a social construct.
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Plus, uh, Spice mentioned, uh, the, the ancient Romans and Greeks, but what we have to remember
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is that there are no ancient Romans left now. They're all gone.
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True. So if the alter, the alter is in the nascence of a movement, the, um, the natal stage,
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but you say, Andrew Englund, that it's an ideology. Okay. Well, what are the principles of
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the alt-right ideology? Is it just a code word for neo-Nazi?
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Well, I think it should be a code word for neo-Nazi, but no, um, I think it's a, it's a
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combination of white nationalist and traditionalist groups is, is what I've seen that, you know,
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a lot of different people have come together under this label. I'm a neo-Nazi, uh, and white
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supremacist, but, um, you know, I, I think there's, I don't think there should be a big
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tent, but I think there's, uh, people who identify in different ways have kind of adapted,
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adopted this label. And I think that it's, um, you know, the basic concept is, is a return
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to traditional society. And I think that the, the, the main influence is, is fascism, various
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forms of fascism from the, uh, from the pre-war period.
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Yeah, I would tend to agree. It definitely does seem to be a confluence of several different
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groups, but I think that primarily there are three, um, main arteries of intellectual background
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that feed into the alt-right. You kind of have a libertarianism, you've got fascism, and
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you've got traditionalism or reaction. And these kind of have coalesced together to form,
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you know, you could be an unholy creature, but the, uh, the agus of the alt-right. But
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yeah, so I mean, if the alt-right is a real ideology and it has real principles, you know,
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let's, uh, let's just be clear, because I don't think everybody is, understands exactly
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what we mean. You know, what are these principles, right? We're pro-white, but is there anything
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Well, yeah, I mean, I, a lot of people have made lists of them. I think that the, the driving
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principle needs to be traditionalism and anti-Semitism, because all of these problems,
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all the things that we're reacting against, you know, you talk about a reactionary, all
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of the problems that we're reacting against have been caused by Jews. I mean, we're talking
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about homosexuality, the entire homosexual movement. I mean, I don't know if Jews invented
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butt sex. If you go back and look, they might have, but, um, you know, the, the, the concept
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of introducing gay identity into society is a hundred percent a Jewish, um, behavior, uh, agenda.
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And it's the same with, um, with feminism. It's the same with pornography. It's the same with, uh,
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this concept of universal suffrage democracy. Any of these issues that, that we're kind of opposed to
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are, uh, originate with, with the Jews. So, um, you know, just like usury and, uh, pretty much
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anything you can think of, it originates with Jews. So anti-Semitism I've argued is the core
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principle of the alt-right because everything else falls under that, that label virtually every
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single thing that we talk about is going to go back to the Jews. So, yeah. And I mean, I, I think
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that we have, um, the, the principles would be the basic traditional principles of, of family and
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nation above, uh, you know, individual, um, individualism. Yeah. May I come with a quick
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comment? Please go ahead. Okay. Listen, I agree 100% that the entirety of the alt-right is
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essentially a reactionary, has a reactionary basis. There can be no doubt about this. However,
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it all gets very convoluted the more you dig into this matter. Um, let me come forth with an
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example here. One of the primary reasons why the alt-right in itself is having a hard time
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finding out where it's actually going. As a matter of fact, for the past two years, I've
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watched the American alt-right jump around like a chicken that got its head cut off. With
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that being mentioned, let's, for example, dig into the, um, some of the reactionary aspects.
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Remember during Gamergate, right? When, um, feminism, feminists were invading the territory
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of the, the, the, um, the male gamer, right? They got angry at that. And the critical points
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they used to further, uh, deconstruct, um, the ideas of feminism was on terminologies like,
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well, you guys don't actually believe in equality, you know? Essentially, a reaction that still has a
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egalitarian basis. And this is something I have noticed through a lot of the reactionary ideas that
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is ingravated so firmly into the spine of the alt-right. For an example, another example would
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be the ideas of anti-Islam. And when you ask people, well, why do you not like Islam? They
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will say, well, they treat women horribly and they kill homosexuals. And I think in, in contrast to
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that, well, excuse me, sir, our madam, that sounds like things I could stand in for. I like that idea.
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Yeah. But with that, it's too bad Dr. Mayhem's not here because he'd fucking agree with you 100%.
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Yeah, I have to agree with Nat here because I think, uh, kind of my, I was never able to fully,
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um, embrace white nationalism because I saw a lot of them being like just another flavor of
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It's, you know, it's not a complete, like, right, obviously, you know, we want, uh, white
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societies, of course, but you can't, you don't want to, you don't get there by going back to
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an earlier iteration of, you know, racialist liberalism or something like that. I mean, that's
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Yeah, the problem is the mentality. I mean, if you still have the same egalitarian mentality,
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you, you will go to the same conclusions. That's a bit different.
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Yes. And I think that it's not, not even just them not having the egalitarian mentality,
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but it's that they don't have anything to replace it with.
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Because the thing is, as our leftist enemies, at least they have ideals, even if they're
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But what happens in the alt-right is people say, oh, well, I'm anti-egalitarian, but they
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don't have anything to replace it. They're materialist, they're atheist, they're utilitarian
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at the end of the day. I mean, and at best they're a Nietzschean and they kind of just
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And so very few of these people have an overlying arc of interpretation, or not even that, but
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just a set of ideals or principles that are metaphysical, that are beyond reproach, that
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are absolute, that they apply to themselves independent of their own ego.
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And here really, it really starts to boil at this point. Because essentially, what we're
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seeing with the alt-right as a whole, as a platform, is the fact that we have a bunch
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of liberal, spineless cowards. The very founder of this idea. I mean, this all has its roots
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in the European neo-right, no doubt about that. But crucially speaking, if you look at the
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ways that the entire society as we have now is criticized, they're not criticizing the
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essential mechanisms that is depriving the West, Western civilization of spirit, as well as
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meaning. They're not looking at the very mechanisms that is destroying us. They're just saying, well,
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they're just looking at a few of the symptoms, for example, niggers and Muslims. And they say,
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well, this would all be good if we didn't have these few niggers and Muslims. They don't understand the
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crucial parts that is needed to be addressed to actually fix the machine, remove the cancer
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Yeah. And the problem is that people try to understand everything intellectually. And that
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when they try to do this, the only meaning they find in life is hedonism, materialism, all this
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stuff, ideology. And that's why you need religion, because religion is above your own intellect. I mean,
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you can look at a painting and you can understand this painting is beautiful. You don't understand
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why the painting is beautiful. It's beautiful independent of your own intellect. And the same thing
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it is with spiritual virtues. They are good independent if you understand that they are good or not.
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And the Jews, as Anglin mentioned, always work against ideals, spiritual ideas, anything that's
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higher than your own intellect. I mean, the Jews literally crucified Jesus and Jesus was God
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incarnate. If that's not symbolic enough, I don't know what is. And I think that Hans, this is
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absolutely correct. This is what the Jew is always seeking to do. Any ideology or ideal that
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brings you out of yourself into the service of another person, they want to corrupt. Any motivating
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force, that means that you can't be bought off. You can't be reduced to economic transactions. You
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can't be controlled. They want to destroy. And this will continue. They want the whole package. This
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will continue until the family exists no more. It will continue even above that. They want a
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coffee-colored race of mutts. Genderless blobs of fat. Exactly. They don't only want to
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dissolve a civilization. They want to dissolve God's creation. That's why you see shit like
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transgenders and all that stuff. It's mutilating the very essence of what they are. It's true.
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If you're a man, they're going to become a theme. We're going to get into this more in depth.
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Yeah. Let's go back to the question of the alterite, I think. We're going to cover all of this in
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turn. What did you want to say, Andrew? No, I was just going to say that I think it is time
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we stopped being a reactionary movement because this is all about being against things. And that's
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kind of what we've – and I've been trying to do this on the site because if you're just against
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things, then you're necessarily going to be for something, hopefully. I mean, hopefully there's
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the inverse of that. But it's much more – as far as a political ideology, it's much more beneficial as
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far as spreading the political ideology if you're talking about being for things rather than just
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framing yourself as being against all of these things. And I think that's kind of the problem with
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I mean, that is the thing. I mean, essentially, we're just looking for a minimalistic reactionary
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idea. We're looking for something revolutionary in its very essence, something to deconstruct
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and reconstruct. We're talking about philosophizing with the hammer to deconstruct and once again
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Yeah, indeed. So back to the alt-right. So the alt-right has firm principles. We're
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going to say anti-Semitism. We're going to say pro-white, all of these things. So is anti-sodomy
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one of the core principles of the alt-right? Is this a non-negotiable thing that everybody
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I think it has to be. I mean, that's why I wanted to come on your first show here after
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you'd had that issue and gotten silenced for your anti-abuse because I endorse you 100%.
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I mean, there's no way that these people can exist in any healthy society. It's just not
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possible to have homosexuals in a society that you want to work properly. This breaks
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down everything. And you went through it all last time. I mean, besides just the fact that
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it's sickening and they prey on young men, pubescent boys, this is their target. And
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they all are obsessed with pubescent boys. It's just a fact. I mean, you can look at any
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of the information that's available that was done, studies from the 70s and 80s. They're
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all obsessed with young boys and they're a threat to them. So there's that. But it breaks
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down bonds between men. It makes it impossible for men to have a strong, loving relationship
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between each other. And even like I just said, love in terms of men. And this will be, oh,
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what are you a bag? I mean, because everything turns into that. Anytime that men get close
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to each other, everything turns into, oh, are you a bag?
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Exactly. The way the Jews work is they not only did they control the social relationships,
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but they control the language. The ancient Greeks, the ancient Romans, they all understood
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love in a profoundly different way than we do. It wasn't this kind of sweet, gay, homo
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word that we think about it now. You know, love, they would routinely write to their friends
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There was different words, right? In Greek, there are four words for love. Storge, which is
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cuteness. Eros, which is like impassion, which you feel for a beautiful woman or a painting.
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It's your own ego. Then philia. This is love without ego. It's the love that two friends
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feel for each other. As I said before, the Greeks only believed that men could have philia
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between one another because there was no sexual drive. There was no ego. They loved the other
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person. They cared for the other person independent of their own ego. What the definition of love
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is really in English, when we use it, it means you're willing to sacrifice for the other person.
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You're willing to mortify your own will, your own desires for their betterment.
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And so that's, and as I said in the last episode, this is the foundation of what all
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success will be built upon. It's groups of men operating in a high trust environment who
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are willing to suppress their own will, mortify their own ego to achieve a higher end.
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Yeah. And the sodomites refuse to do this.
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That's why they are sodomites. I mean, if they would feel love for the other person,
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Well, you know, we said this and it's vulgar, but it's absolutely true. Friends don't fuck friends
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So to the extent that the alt-right is anti-sodomy, I mean, is this a core principle? I ask to ask
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pithily, ought we do purity spiral on this? And do people who disagree, those who believe that there
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is a place for sodomites who are, or who did not take the rigorous view that we do, are they anathema?
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Well, purity spiraling is just a way to respond to cucks. I mean, this is just like,
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you know, when somebody says you're a cuck, they say, oh, well, you're just purity spiraling. So
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it's a useless term, this purity spiraling. I mean, I never, I don't understand what this,
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it just seems like an excuse to cuck. Like if somebody calls you a cuck, you say, oh, well,
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you're just purity spiraling. But I mean, I think that going back to this reaction versus being,
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you know, active and positive, I think that we're pro-family. So yes, you would necessarily have to
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have to get rid of homos. If you're pro-family, you cannot tolerate homosexuals. They're a threat
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to every aspect of the family. So I think that, yeah, it absolutely has to be a fundamental
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principle that we are pro-family and an aspect of that is going to be anti-faggot and not tolerating
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these people and their sick behaviors. Exactly. And the whole purity spiraling shit,
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that's just an excuse for materialism rather than idealism, because the nature of idealism is that
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there's one thing that is this ideal. This ideal comes from God and everything else is a sea of
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falsehoods. So they'd rather swim in the sea of falsehoods rather than try to achieve this ideal.
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And that's weakness. It's faggotry. Yeah. And here's one of the things that I've found to be
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supremely valuable from Iron March is that Iron March has a myriad of different ethnicities,
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worldviews, movements, people, backgrounds, ideologies, but they're united in terms of
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the principles, the fascist worldview, the way in which they parse information, the way in which
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the world presents itself to them. And so for us to be successful as a large conglomeration of people,
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as an aegis of the alt-right, we have to get a few things down. We have to be able to agree on just
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the essentials. But how can we agree on the essentials when there are people among us who
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don't believe there is an objective truth to the universe? There are people who are materialist,
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who believe that we can never know the absolute reality around us, and that there's no absolute
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truth that they're to be discovered, and that even if there was, the human mind couldn't grasp it.
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How can we agree on fundamental values if people think like that?
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Well, that gets into something huge, I guess, but I think that we have to agree that whatever
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your religion, I think you can agree on this, or if you have no religion, that the natural order is
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the fundamental basis of human society, and you have to always go back to the natural order,
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or you're, you know, because everything that the Jews do is against the natural order.
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And I think that we have to represent the natural order in everything that we do,
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and everything that we support has to be based on the natural order, and we have to be able to
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reference back to the order of nature in order to justify ourselves. And I think that,
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you know, I think that's an easy thing to agree on without saying, you know, we have to argue
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about different religions, and so on. No, exactly. And I agree with you 100%, and I say that even to
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this extent, that it does, you know, I speak to members on Iron March and in other communities
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who are pagans, who are esoteric Hitlerists, who are, you know, any other religion, heretic dogs.
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But just because we have differing religious views doesn't mean that we cannot get along and
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cannot be comrades and cannot fight for the same goals, because we have the same set of
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core beliefs about the structure of the universe. And so that's the thing is, you can even, I would
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say you can even be an atheist and believe in natural law. But if you don't believe in natural
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law, like, what the fuck are you doing here? Fascism is adherence to natural law.
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Yeah. Well, anybody who does not believe in natural law is effectively a Jew.
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Exactly. I mean, the thing is that if everything is meaningless, and if there isn't an objective
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truth, then there is only hedonism. There's no meaning in life, you might as well kill
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yourself. But we're not killing ourselves right. So our meaning in life is trying to find
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a meaning in life. And we know there are certain things we cannot intellectually understand,
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like art. And if you go, like, to a mass, yeah, beauty, beauty. If you go at a Christian
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mass, you see it's beautiful. I mean, you have choirs, you have all these processions, all
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that stuff. It's beautiful. You can't explain why it is. It just is. And that's why we need
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religion, because religion kind of blasts the mind out of a shell. It frees the mind in
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Yeah, we're going to talk about this later. It's a very interesting, important subject.
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But I think that we've pretty well summed it up, unless anybody had any other comments.
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Well, I have one comment. You see, individually, we all stand divided. However, as we all come
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together, the unified idea of fascism, from being one individual, we all form into one
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Wow, that's very insightful. But yeah, that's the title of this podcast, Mysterium Fascist.
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That's the whole idea behind the reason why we chose this title. Mysterium is it's a reality
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that's beyond ourselves, something that our mind cannot entirely come to grasp. This is
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Exactly. Fascism is just adherence to this beyond in the ideological realm, in the natural world,
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in the way we govern our societies. And so fascism in itself is a reflection of the
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divine mystery. That's the only place to see God is in nature itself. I mean, in my view,
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I don't know if you would disagree with that or not. But I believe the only way we can understand
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the concept of God is through the natural order.
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Yeah, well, natural order is definitely one of the huge locations. Wisdom, you know, inexhaustibly
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comes from the natural order. But actually, we're going to do a reading of an article that's
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about to be published in ropeculture.org on the Iron March forums on Christianity and fascism.
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So, and that will clear up exactly what our position is on all of these issues.
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Now, before we get into that most crucial religious document, I've got another religious document
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that I'm going to read to you aloud here. Okay, one second. Now,
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I have before me a fatwa issued by Al-7 Sun, Grand Mufti of the TRS Clerical Association.
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In the name of Allah al-Rahman, the most merciful, the most beneficent, al-Jabbar, the powerful,
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the irresistible, al-Basit, the expander, the magnificent, the unificent, him who puts to the
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sword all non-believers, Allah al-Dul al-Jalal wal al-Ikram, Lord of Majesty and Generosity,
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I, Mufti, seventh son of the TRS Clerical Association, superintendent and president in
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all reverence and grace, to him Allah has trusted to lead the ummah of his believers. Today,
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issue a fatwa against the infidelist organization known as Al-Iron March. Al-Iron March and the
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despicable fascist mafia have made themselves enemies of all true believers through their
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disgusting lies about the most holy school. Therefore, let them be cast out. All members
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of TRS are to disassociate with them in pain of the most excruciating band hammer and banishment
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of the outer darkness. Zyger al-Kabeki, propagandist and evangelist of their nefarious fascist forces,
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is Harzar Band, Slavros al-Uzbeki, most nefarious mongrel dog of infamous renown and backstabber
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of great heights, is hereby Hazar Band. Nat Dayla, aka Al-Hadibi, Memsi Wolf, is hereby Hazar Band,
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and Florian Geyer al-Kataluki is included among their numbers. Hazar, all TRS members of the
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ummah of the Prophet are to shun and keep away from them, the confines of the sacred school.
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That's hardcore. Yeah, I mean, it's straight from a horse's mouth. That is to say, I've
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been included among the number of Iron Marchers that are to be anathema from TRS. I submitted
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to this punishment because I had a principle of free speech regarding the running of my
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podcast, and Seven Son had issued a fatwa saying that all Iron March members are not to
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be included in any podcast on the TRS radio network. I objected, I posted my podcast as
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regular, and it was taken down. And so I decided that, you know, freedom of speech was an absolute,
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that I need to be able to talk about these issues with the relevant members of the fascist
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community, and that I wasn't going to allow myself to be censored, especially on questions
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of anti-sodomy and anti-usory. So, to that extent, I've been banned from TRS. I was a member
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there for two years, and I considered myself a member until I was banned, and I've been made
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persona non grata. So, as is clear, I'm not allowed to be on any of the podcasts that are
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hosted on that website, despite the fact that I still have got numerous friends who run podcasts,
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they're a part of sub-communities, etc. So, you know, that's the situation, basically. We can talk about the
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implications, and, you know, the back and forth, but, you know, I don't really have an angle with
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this. That's what's going on. I'm going to continue this podcast, Mysterium Fascist. It's going to be
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published on Rogue Culture and Daily Stormer, and things should be nominal.
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Allow me to give a quick comment on this. I think it's, I will say, I must congratulate you,
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Florian, on essentially standing up to the higher ideals of fascism and the one true faith. With that
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being mentioned, I will say, if you did bow down to this idea, this implementation of pretty much
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putting, well, pretty much verbally castrate you, I think you might as well have ripped out all your
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teeth, because toe-sockers, they don't need no teeth.
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Well, yeah, no, I think it was a very honorable decision. I mean, for my part, I don't have a
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problem with TRS, you know, but I thought this was, nobody does, nobody does. I think this was a bad
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call. I think I can say that, but, you know, I think TRS is a great website, and I think they're
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going to, you know, figure out that maybe this isn't the best way to go about things, because we do have
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to have, we do have to have principles. We have to have strong and hard principles, or we're doomed.
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I mean, if we do not keep to some basic principles, what do we have? I mean, that's all we have to
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begin with. It's the only power we have is in our beliefs and our holding to certain values, and I
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don't think that if we get rid of that, that we have anything at all, and one of those things needs
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to be support for basic morality, which is, you know, being against anal sex with men.
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I want to come with one last remark on this matter. Principles, ideals, standards, these
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fundamental things of ideology is, or even as a worldview, is just as crucial as having a
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construction plan when creating a house. The ideals are the guiding line, the thin red line that
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shall guide you through to your goal. It is crucial. You've got to have it. If you don't
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have it, you will end up scratching your head, and again, here comes the headless chicken
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The problem with some people in the alt-right circle is that they refuse to do anything in
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real life. For example, they call national action LARP or whatever, or they refuse to
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join the Nordic Resistance Movement if they're in Sweden. I mean, it's just silly. The shit
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will hit the fan in Europe very, very soon, and you need to be organized. For example, if
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you're in a week, you know, if you're Swedish, join the Nordic Resistance Movement. It's
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Yeah, exactly. And yeah, so I have no animus against TRS. I've got no bad blood for TRS.
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In fact, I have love in my heart for a lot of the people at the community, and, you know,
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I wish them success. And I think that if TRS ever got to the point where they were willing
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to offer freedom of speech and freedom of expression in my podcast, I would gladly re-syndicate
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with them. You know, God willing, that will occur, but we shall see.
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But let me just say this real quick. Things are going to get heavy very, very fast, very
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soon. I believe this, no matter what happens. Because, I mean, is Trump going to win? I
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don't know. It seems like, you know, there's a chance, but there's a good chance that that
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will happen. And when it doesn't happen, there's going to be a clampdown, okay? So if we don't
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No, I – okay. Okay. Yeah, if we don't stick to what we believe in here, then we're all
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just going to get, you know, blown out by this –
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Okay. I keep getting these messages. I don't know.
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Yeah, okay. No, I mean, we need to stick together here, and we need to stick to –
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I hate to keep saying values and principles like I'm the national review, but that's
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true. I mean, if Hillary Clinton wins, they're going to start trying to shut this down, and
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people are going to – you know, people are going to be tested. So we need people that
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are hardcore. We need people who actually believe in this, who will stick together and stick to
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what we believe in, because it's – this isn't always just going to be something where
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you post anonymously on the internet, and you have no fear of consequences. I mean, there
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are going to be consequences, and there is coming a time where people are going to have
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to make decisions about what they want to do and what they believe in, if they believe
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I mean, we're getting close to the point where you're going to have to say, am I willing
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to die for this? Am I willing to go to prison for this?
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And if the answer is no, then it's basically time to fuck off.
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Yeah. And this, I agree with you 100%. I was just thinking about this this week, and
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I mentioned it in previous podcasts, because there's no pretense here. What we're doing
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is not a fashion posture. It's not something we do because we're bored and we need a hobby.
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This is life. This – your ideology should be the product of everything else you think
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and everything you do in your life. It should be an extension of who you are. And we do this
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because it is an extension of who we are. And I was going to talk about this later on,
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but I think it's important to bring it up now. We, right now, we stand with all of the
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worldly accomplishments of our ancestors on our shoulders. Everybody in Europe who came
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before us is dead except for us. If we don't secure a future for our people and we don't
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ensure that our children grow up steeped in this milieu and we don't continue these edifices,
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they die. That's it. Their virtue lives on in heaven, but their worldly institutions are
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gone and their people are gone. If we fuck up, that's it. And so that's the thing. Are
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you willing to suffer prison? Right? I'm living in Canada, you know. They've just passed laws
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that say that people can go up to five years in prison for anti-Islamic violence incitement
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and stuff like this. Other countries in Europe, this is certainly the case. Are you willing
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to go to prison for 10 years because of hate speech?
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Yeah, I can give an example of what happened in Sweden. It wasn't like five years or something,
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but it was a rather high sentence anyway. The guy who writes a lot for the Nordfonds,
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the Nordic System Movement's internet newspaper, he was arrested and sentenced to jail for four
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months or so for writing the word Negro Fog like three years ago. Now, this guy was the breadwinner
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in the house and he had a family of, I don't know, I think it was seven kids or something like
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that. So it was a rather large family. Usually, when you get such a low sentence, you just get
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one of these things you have around your food that shows your position, right? But he was
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denied that because he was an evil Nazi, of course. Luckily, though, there was a campaign
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and the family got enough money for food. But this is the thing that the system will use
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to harass you. If you think that the system by any means is fair and square, and that somewhere
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in the current regime that there are people with good hearts and good intentions, you must think
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again. Every part of the current system, whether we are talking soldiers or we are talking police
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officers, they are hired goons by an establishment that have great intentions of harming you or your
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family, and they will screw up from no means whatsoever to shut you the fuck up. So, with
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that being addressed, with the alt-right idea of the big tent to come back to this, and these
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people who think that they can sit and be armchair keyboard reactionaries and revolutionaries,
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thinking that we can obtain total Aryan victory through means of posting Pepe memes, I have something
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to tell you, friend. You're not being revolutionary. And I think that, quite frankly, good sir, you are
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very disillusioned about what is going on, and you do not fully understand the consequences
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of what might happen to you. With that being mentioned, we need stronger people, and we need
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These Jews are vicious bull. I mean, this is not, it's not a game. I've tried to make this
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point recently that this is not a game. I mean, these people will kill you. They are a hateful
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group of people, these Jews. And they're not, I mean, they understand that their entire system is at
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risk because of people like us talking about this. And I mean, maybe at some point, this
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was looked at as a joke. It's not looked at as a joke anymore. This is not a game.
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Yeah. At one point, we were going to, we're going to have Weave on the show and have some
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good discussion with him. But if you want an example, like, look at, look at what he's
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have to deal with. And if you think that the system is not capable of destroying your life
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and just the same ways they did for his, I mean, that's, and so that's the thing is
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there's going to come a time when, as Nat says, posting pepes will not be enough. And so how
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many people listening, how many people in the alt-right are willing to put on a vest and pick
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up a rifle should it come to it? God willing, it does not, but likely it will. How many people
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are willing to be arrested? How many people are willing to get beaten up in a protest, get
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pepper sprayed, tear gas, sound cannons? You know, when, when, uh, reds firebomb your house
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and make threatening phone calls to your mother at two o'clock in the morning. Are you ready
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Well, I can, I can tell you too, from more of a deep, deep state, I guess, angle is, um,
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these movements, um, are always co-opted and they're always taken over. Now that's not to
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say that people can't organize. Um, because, uh, I will also tell you that a lot of these,
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uh, agencies are incredibly corrupt and a lot of ways there's no one at the helm of
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the ship, but, um, you know, look at this cause I came from, you know, the conspiracy
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side, um, look at the way the nine 11 truth movement was totally just, um, basically destroyed
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from within. I mean, this, this, these things are real. These, uh, movements, if they start
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to gain sort of mainstream acceptance or, or face a lot of opposition. And, um, that's
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why I think, uh, you know, this, this thing of the alt-right big tent, it's, it's setting
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itself up for failure doing that because you're just basically telling the shills to come on
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in and destroy us from within more or less.
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Especially, yeah. Especially when you're talking about Jews, like, well, we can include Jews.
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I mean, this thing with Milo, this was fucking unbelievable to me. I mean, it just makes me
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sick that any single individual was like, yeah, well, let's bring this homosexual Jew
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and, and, and help him. I mean, and look, this is, we are being Jewed here. This is not, I mean,
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if people think that there's no federal agents out there already involved in all of this, I mean,
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the ADL organized a, a group to stop me and Weave from quote unquote harassing Jewish journalists.
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So, you know, what are these people doing? This has high level academics. It has a bunch
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of journalists from the New York times and other, you know, top publications, plus the
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former assistant director of the FBI, uh, together in this, in this Jewish council to shut down,
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uh, antisemitism on the internet. So what is going on? I mean, what do, are they involved
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with Milo? Are they involved with the rest of this quote alt light? I, how could they not be,
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you know? I mean, so when you see this type of stuff going on, when you see people trying to Jew you,
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you need to be aware that there's, there's machinations going on there. There are things
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going on beyond what we're seeing as far as this whole, um, alt-right movement is concerned,
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because I guarantee you, the Jews are very, very concerned about this and, and they're not playing
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a game. So if you're playing a game, then you're going to get beat.
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Exactly. 100%. Anybody else have anything to add?
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I mean, for the listeners who don't know, uh, could you perhaps tell, uh, tell them what, uh,
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happened to weave? Um, Anglin, you're probably more familiar with than I am. I know the basics.
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Well, he basically charged with something that didn't make any sense and wasn't really even
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illegal. Um, uh, by, but cause he didn't actually hack anything. He exposed a vulnerability. I mean,
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I'm not, I'm not, you know, I'm not myself a hacker, so I don't know, know the details of it,
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but they were, they were very angry at weave for, for trolling basically for, for putting things out
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there and youth culture on the internet that they were opposed to. Um, uh, he was involved in a lot
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of different things before he went to, to jail, but I mean the, the FBI, I mean, they launched a
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giant operation against Encyclopedia Dramatica just because it was, it was very popular. And there
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were a lot of things on there that they looked at as subversive and, and dangerous to their,
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their narrative. I mean, Encyclopedia Dramatica is like total shit now. I mean, you know, I,
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there's still some funny stuff on there, but it's mostly, mostly old stuff. Um, but anyway,
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I mean, they, they charged weave with a crime that didn't really make any sense and, uh, ended up
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putting him in prison for a year and a half. And then they, they tortured him when he was in prison.
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I mean, he, he was in solitary confinement for, I think the majority of the time or a huge portion
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of the time that he was in prison. And eventually, uh, on, you know, constitutional grounds, it was,
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it was just thrown out. They were like, well, you know, this was a bad case. Uh, lawyers eventually
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got him, uh, got him out of prison for, and, and, you know, that he had basically done nothing wrong
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with. This was three years of his life just stolen from him over, uh, you know, it was political. It was
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political persecution. And I mean, you've got, you've got Bill White, Bill White was a little
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bit nutty, maybe, but I mean, they put him in jail for 17 years for, for emails, uh, the quote unquote
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threatening emails that he says he didn't send. I don't know if he said to them or not, but I'd say
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that 17 years is a pretty long time to, uh, to go to prison for emails. You know, the guy, the,
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the guy who got, uh, convicted of assassinating George Lincoln Rockwell went to prison for six
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years. So, um, Bill White gets 17 years for, for emails. And, um, Matt Hale is in prison
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indefinitely. I think he got sentenced to 40 years because a federal agent in front of him
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said, I'm going to go kill this judge. And he, and he didn't say, well, Hey, don't do that. I mean,
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that is basically the, uh, the way it worked was that the, the, the federal informant said in front
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of him, I'm going to go kill a judge. And because he didn't say don't, Hey, don't do that. Don't know,
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don't do that. Uh, he was charged with, with, uh, being, being complicit in this planned murder
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that wasn't actually going to happen, obviously, because it was a federal agent. So, you know,
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I mean, they will go after anybody and figure out a way to, to lock them up if they, uh, if they can,
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if they can figure out a way. So, I mean, people need to be, people need to be very,
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very aware of this, that they take all of this stuff seriously, even if you're not taking it
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seriously, which should be a reason not to be all scared and act like a pussy, but to start taking
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it seriously. Truly. All right. So we're, um, one of the, as I mentioned before, the posting of this
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podcast, the, um, the, um, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
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the, uh, the debut of this podcast is going to coincide with the posting of an article on,
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uh, Iron March, and I'll put the text of it in rope culture. And it's, uh, part of the Iron March
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religion project. It's on fascism and Christianity. And it was written by me and another member of
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Iron March by the name of, uh, Akhenaten or Stefan. And so I've got the text here and I'm going to put
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it in the description and we're going to read it a lot. And, uh, I hope that you find it edifying.
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With the increasingly polarized nature of right-wing politics in the Occident, many find themselves to
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be newly minted fascists, or rather they embrace the label which had always described their beliefs,
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left implacable until now. Fascism in its core is the conformity of the state and the nation it
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represents to the cosmic order, that all elements of life operate in the most optimal way determined
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by natural and divine law. Christians who embrace fascism can struggle uniquely with reconciling
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the truth of their faith to the truth of fascism. This is a struggle one need not undertake,
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for there is no disconnect. Christianity, in its orthodox form, constitutes the formal worship of
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revealed truth. This truth is discerned through the wisdom of tradition and the revelation of
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scripture. For the individual, the Christian life is one of theosis, of becoming like God,
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of building virtue. Some who protest this assertion, many pagans and other anti-Christian far-right types
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see Christianity as a fundamentally Semitic religion in mode of spirituality. They see it as corrupting the
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organic Aryan tradition of paganism and infecting Europe with a spiritual virus. They believe this
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makes it incompatible with the fascist worldview and the advancement of the European peoples and that
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it binds one to cuckoldry for Jesus. This notion arises typically from a limited observation of modern
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forms of Christianity. Pagans et al. view Christians cucking in the name of Jesus and conclude that
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Christianity is a cuck religion. Not, perhaps unfairly. This tradition could be said to start
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with Nietzsche, who observed Protestantism as applied in Germany and forms of post-revolution
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metropolitan Catholicism in France, concluded that the essence of the Christian ethic was slave
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morality. This issue is not recent but perennial. Speaking in his discourses in 1517,
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Machiavelli notes, quote, although it would seem that the world has become effeminate and heaven
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disarmed, yet this arises unquestionably from the baseness of men who have interpreted our religion
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according to the promptings of indolence rather than those of virtue. Furthermore, he says,
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quote, if we are to reflect that our religion permits us to exalt and defend our country,
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we should see that according to it we ought also to love and honor our country and prepare
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ourselves so as to be capable of defending her. These expressions of the Christian religion compose
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impure, deviant forms of the original faith, that is to say these bourgeois and Protestant
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heresies. True Christianity, which for brevity will be referred to as Orthodox Christianity with a
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small o, that is distincted from Eastern Orthodox communion, is the faith which is practiced universally
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throughout the ancient world, did not see a serious internal challenge until the advent of the
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Protestant rebellion. The core of this faith, this correct thought, or Orthodoxy, today finds expression
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in pure forms of Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches. Many would claim that these expressions
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are actually the purest form of religion, that modern Christianity is a doctrine that has gone
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through the process of catharsis, where it has shed away all the supposed pagan elements that it
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absorbed, and that what we're dealing with today, in its bourgeois and Protestant reformation
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versions, is the most authentic version of the gospel. This is clearly and objectively false,
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as will be demonstrated in a moment. Throughout antiquity in the Middle Ages, there has always been
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a consensus on what the Christian faith is. From the British Isles to Scandinavia, across the entirety
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of Europe, to the reaches of Roman Africa and the Middle East, the interpretation and doctrine of the
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faith have been one and the same. They also applied not only geographically, but historically,
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as the single understanding of Christian thought has remained the same throughout the ancient
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menial here period. In an unbroken chain of holy tradition, someone born in a highly Protestant
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environment may be used to the idea that Christianity is some form of free-for-all, where anyone can pick
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whatever interpretation you may like of the Christian creed and scriptures, and that Christianity
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is in some sort of constant flux, where no interpretation is really solid, where no dogma that would be true
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for all Christians exists or can exist, where it's just all. Like your opinion, ma'am.
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But this really wasn't the case. The writings of the most influential Christian authors from every single
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century of the Church's history have been preserved, and reading and studying those, we can gain,
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we can very obviously notice the singularity of Christian doctrine and thought. What Christianity actually
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is, isn't up to debate. All it takes to find that out is a history book and a library full of patristic
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works. Aside from being questioned on its consistency and correct interpretation, Christian doctrine is
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also questioned on its authenticity. Many see that some of the more obvious elements in Christianity have
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been inherited from pre-Christian traditions, but they really don't understand how they got there or what
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they represent. In the Christian faith, there is a distinction between dogma, meaning truth in Greek,
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and praxis, meaning practice or works in the same language. Dogma refers to the metaphysics of faith,
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to its ideas about God, the cosmos, the meaning of life, salvation, etc. On this plane, adherence to
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the revealed truth from God is a must. Sticking to it in the same form which it was, quote,
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once delivered to the saints, is non-negotiable. Deviation from this tradition means certain eternal
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damnation. Practice, however, refers more to the outwards expression of the faith, to liturgical,
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canonical, and aesthetic parts rather than the doctrinal, to the form rather than the essence,
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to the tools rather than the goals, means rather than the ends. Among other things, it refers to
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the various forms of symbolism, aesthetics, including iconography and architecture, musical styles,
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formal fashion, and certain other customary practices that are just a spiritual and rather
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than a dogmatic must, and so on. On the practical plane, there isn't really a necessity of form.
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The practice is allowed to organically grow and take a variety of shapes that developed from a
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variety of cultures and periods. Deviating from these forms isn't and can't really be called a
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heresy, but it's generally agreed among the Christian communities not to deviate from them
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without a really good reason, especially since most of them are two millennia old.
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So with this fanatical adherence to the purity of doctrine, where do these alleged pagan elements
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come in? They come into the practical field. In many cases, the church culturally appropriated
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some external forms of Christian worship, or pagan worship, excuse me, and changed its meaning to
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apply the worship of Christ, as has already been described. This is not a deviation from the faith,
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as the core essence of the Christian doctrine remains the same, while a new outwards tool is
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applied to adhere to that same unchanged essence. While the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches
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have most of their aesthetics picked from one aspect of Roman culture or another, with added
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Germanic influence from the Occident and Slavic from the Orient. And it's there where the supposed
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pagan influence of Christian spirit begins and ends. As we established, every single Christian
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doctrine can be traced through its authors back to the first centuries in the Apostles.
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There have been no intrusions into the Christian dogma from the pagan side. Any attempts to claim
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otherwise ends with the arbitrary pickings and choosings, which doctrines are somehow authentically
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Christian and which are not, without any factual evidence of when and how these doctrines
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were included into the Christian tradition, without previously being there or in the Old
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Testament. On a societal level, many of the ideas and policies fascists advocate are built
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in the philosophy of this religion. The idea of the distributivist economy, or a market which
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serves the people and the common good, is the official position of the Catholic Church.
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Organic states based on natural organizations of kinship and nationality find themselves entirely
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at home to the same degree, within the confines of Orthodox thought. Medieval Latin Christianity
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fostered the development of the feudal polity, what some argue to be the best example of
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an organic state, which is undoubtedly fascistic, social schema. In the Slavic world, the notion
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of sobernost, deeply rooted in Christian virtue, is the basis of most Orthodox nationalist thought.
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The Christian state follows the principle of conformity under the kingship of Jesus Christ.
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The Lord Jesus Christ is the logo for the Word of God. This theology is specifically enumerated
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in the first chapter of the Gospel of John, quote,
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There was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God,
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and all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.
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In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness,
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and the darkness has not overcome it. Christians believe he is the organizing mind behind the
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universe, the cosmic font of all order and right accord. For a Christian, then, one could say fascism
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is a requirement, that the ideology emanates directly from the theology. This is what led
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Hitler to proclaim at a speech in Paso on October 27th, 1928, that, quote,
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We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the
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question. Rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls. We tolerate no one in the ranks
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who attacks the idea of Christianity. In fact, our movement is Christian. We are filled with the
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desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.
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On the individual level, the Christian life is the same. The Christian ought to strive for the
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constant cultivation of virtue, the avoidance of vice. It is quite literally anti-degeneracy
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of the religion. The notion of personal error and evil is so egregious in this understanding that God had
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to die on a cross to redeem it soteriologically. It speaks mountains about the importance of good
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personal conduct. To follow Christ, one is compelled to take off their cross, to embrace suffering,
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struggle, obtain virtue, to sacrifice of oneself in the service of God and neighbor, racial or other
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ways. Christians even believe eschatologically that Jesus will come back and put to death
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all degenerates. And such will be the fury of his wrath on the day of judgment, that, quote,
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his blood will flow from the winepress, as high as the horse's bridle, for 2,000 miles.
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200 miles, rather. That's the apocalypse of John 1420. One of the primary goals of fascism as a
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worldview, if not the primary one, is freeing society from the individualist principle and the
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notion of egocentrism. From the idea that man is an atomized individual whose goal is to achieve
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happiness by pursuing his self-interest, and that society is merely a platform for achieving that,
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to this idea is contrasted to the ideal of the organic society, where a man is called to serve
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the truth in his community. And while most ancient traditions were in many respects opposed to the
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individualist and materialist principles, no tradition comes as close to upholding the organic
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principles as the Christian faith does. The most important law, love God, ties men to complete
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service of the cosmic order. The second fundamental law, love your neighbor, the best possible summary
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of the organic principle. That is to say, the organic state. This commandment is nothing more
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than a demand for man to abolish his own self-interest and self-centeredness, to dedicate his entire
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being to serving his comrades. It is the idea that one's purpose in life isn't to see how much
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shekels he can squeeze out of his surroundings, or how much good, but how much good he can do for his
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own community. This is why the term service and sacrifice are so sacred in Christian thought,
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as there is nothing more great than to give up your own interests or life in the service of the
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divine truth and justice. But wait, you say, doesn't love your neighbor mean cucking against your own
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people in favor of some third world dump? Why would it? What is said by that commandment is to abolish
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personal interest, and to completely remove greed from interpersonal relations. What it does not tell you is to
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screw over one of your neighbors for another neighbor, as if that is somehow just. There is
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everything just about freely sacrificing yourself for somebody else. But what can be just about letting
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someone else drown for the sake of someone third? Nothing, obviously. Christ himself exhorts us
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otherwise in the 15th chapter of Matthew's gospel, verse 26, and he answered, it is not fair to take the
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children's bread and throw it to the dogs. That is exactly what filling up a country with a hostile
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foreign population is. It is an attack, an obvious harm done to the native population
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around you. In what universe can destroying the native population of a country be reasonably
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considered as loving thy neighbor? The same applies to the notion of loving your enemy. It's basically
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the same commandment. In English, this may need explaining, but in other languages like Greek and
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Latin, the meaning of this is clear from the text itself, as though languages have a clear distinction
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between the concept of a personal enemy and a public enemy, between one who is threatening our
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personal interests, one who is a threat to our community and justice at large. When Christ tells
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us to love our enemies, he uses the same word designated for the personal enemy. That's why
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this is essentially the same commandment, because it also calls men to renounce our personal interest
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and not take grudges, pursue personal vendettas. In fact, the famous turn the other cheek statement
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refers to the practice of challenging someone to a duel in ancient Israel, where a slap on the cheek
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is the challenge itself, and here Christ commends his followers to refuse such a challenge by turning
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the other cheek. None of this says anything about not defending yourself or your community. In fact,
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your community is the sacred service to others mentioned above, and it has been seen this way
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for the entirety of Christian history since the time of the apostles. Some of the most ardent fascists
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of the 20th century have been devoutly religious, the most famous of which is Cornelio Codriano of the
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Iron Guard. They were a devoutly orthodox organization through and through. Who can
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doubt their bona fides as true 1488, gas the kikes, race war now, boots on the grounds approved
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national socialist movements? Who will stand here and say that they are not fascists because they
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were Christian? Who will say they did not care about the race of their people because they worshipped
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a kike on a stake as our detractors call it? The religion that they practiced was the same one
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practiced by the Knights Templar. It was the same one practiced by Charlemagne and Justinian,
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and it was the same one practiced by the apostles. The religion which has been ascribed, which
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enabled Europe to thrive, whose great waters flow freely into the well of fascism, is true
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orthodox Christianity. Any other form is heresy, is perversion. The historical record speaks well
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for itself about the success of this religion. The effectiveness of it is there to observe if
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anyone cares to look. Jesus Christ is the cosmic order. Conformity to him is fascism. Ave Christus
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Very well written. Yeah, very good article. Yeah. Man, let me tell you something now, Florin.
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When that article gets put up, I'm going to read it seven times.
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Yeah, that was kind of long-winded. I imagine there's, uh, you need some time to kind of sit
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Yeah. This article describes what I would say is the foundation of what this podcast is
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going to be about and the way we think about the world. The interface between Christianity and
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fascism, that is to say the mysterium fascis, the mystery that exists in the confluence of
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these two factors. And so I think it's very important to have this resource and to have
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this explanation and to have this position out there because so many times I've had people say,
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oh, fascist, doesn't he know that fascism is opposed to Christianity? What a stupid cuck.
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And I mean, these people have been gaslighting. I mean, these people have been gaslighted to think
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that fascism is somehow opposed to Christianity. I mean, the Jews do it everywhere. They're always
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trying to drive a stake between national socialism and the Christian ideal because they know that
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Christians are almost some of the only people who are militant in the modern days about their
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beliefs. A good example, I remember a year, I was watching, um, Man in the High Castle,
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that series on Netflix, and the Germans occupied the United States and they banned the Bible.
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And I was sitting there with my brother and it was just like this kike bullshit.
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You know, the National Socialistic Party of Germany bans sacred scripture. Anybody who has any
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historical context, any knowledge about what they were really doing, what they stood for,
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what they promoted, must realize that this is bullshit on the face of it. But this is what
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our enemies want us to believe. They want us to believe that there's a hard divide between these
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I mean, they have been trying that for quite some fucking time. I mean, even like back during the
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Second World War, the, um, the Americans try it was trying, you know, very, very hard to, uh,
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to propagate this idea that, yeah, Christianity and National Socialism slash fascism, yeah,
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that doesn't go hand in hand. It's completely opposed to one another. You know, it's this, uh,
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this twisting of, of narrative of the Bible, right? It's really this twisting and corruption.
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Yeah. I mean, another thing, another thing that's, um, very important to realize is that
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the Bible says that God is truth. So what Christianity basically does is to worship truth.
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Yeah. Jesus Christ says this directly. He says, I am the truth, the way, and the light.
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There is no way to the Father but through me. That's quite, if that, yeah. And that's
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why I say it. Conformity to Jesus Christ is fascism by definition.
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Oh, the issue I see with this, uh, you know, like fascism as anti-Christian is, is, and this
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is, you can see this in the broader world, right, is a lot of the people that, that spin this
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narrative, if you read them, it's the same thing they would have been saying or were
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saying, you know, six or seven years ago as Reddit tier atheists. It's just with slightly
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different rhetoric. And what's the motivation? And this is why I think it's important to
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look at, uh, you know, in this sphere, what's someone's motivation? Yes, Matt?
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You really just touched something here that is something that we have already been talking
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about, but something that keeps coming again and again is the fact that this, this, uh,
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this negative stance of Christianity inherently comes from this, uh, pre-programmed idea of liberalism
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inside their mind. They're still using liberalistic argumentation. They still understand only things
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from a liberal, you know, fundament. So when that is being clarified, that is why they have
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these convoluted, you know, predispositioned ideas on, under the pretense of liberalism.
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They're, they're, they're still liberals. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's why it's something I was
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trying to communicate on the TRS forums for a while. I wasn't really quite, uh, I couldn't quite
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articulate before I started reading some Iron March stuff, but it's, you, you can have, um,
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you know, you can have rightist rhetoric, but you can still be a liberal. And that's the problem
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with the alt-right. It may be cloaked in some sort of right-wing or racialist rhetoric, but at its,
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at its core, it's, it's liberal essentially. Yeah. I mean, plus another thing we have to understand
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is most pagans, I'm saying most pagans, I suppose there are some exceptions in the Nordic countries
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or whatever. I mean, you have these Americans who are, um, half Negroes and they're, uh, Nordic
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pagans. And the thing about paganism is that they don't practice their religion. If they don't
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practice their religion, it's not really a religion. It's just, uh, uh, Viking fetishism.
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Yeah, that's a good point. All religions have cultic activity. Exactly. If your religion is just a set
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of ideas that you hold in your mind, then it's not really a religion. There's a maximum theology
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and I repeat it and I'll repeat it again. It's a Lex Arendi, Lex Credendi, Lex Vivendi.
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It means the law of prayer is the law of belief is the law of life. What you believe informs how you
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pray and how you pray informs how you live. They're all connected. And so what you believe in terms of
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your spiritual orientation and the way you express that, that determines how you live,
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which determines what your political ideology is in an optimal world with people who are of good,
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uh, character and principles. It's a natural extension. It's not exactly. And so that's why,
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and that's why you see lift is being obese as well, because they don't really have any ideals or
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they're, you know, really skinny or they, um, they at least do not try to do anything about it.
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They have no standards, no ideas, no will. They're like, uh, vegetables.
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Yep. Exactly. Well, it's because they're, they're not, they're spiritually dead. I mean,
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this is the idea of being in a state of mortal sin is that, um, you die spiritually. Your
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spiritual life is, uh, it ceases to exist. You deviate yourself so much from the cosmic order
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that you're, you're outside of its full. You're, you've lost the divine economy.
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And, uh, Ignatius of Loyala wrote something about this as well. He wrote that someone who's wicked
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will find a sort of joy in doing more wicked stuff. It will, um, the wickedness will kind of,
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um, um, absorb into him. While someone who is, um, trying to do good, when he does good,
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he too will feel this goodness being absorbed into him. But if a wicked try to do something good,
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or if he sees something good, something happens. It's, it's, um, it's like a small exorcism,
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you know, it's a reaction against it. Oh, this is bad. This is a Christ. You know, all this stuff.
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Yeah, exactly. I think, uh... Physiogeny is real.
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Exactly. So very good discussion, guys. We're, uh, actually, we've run past our first hour.
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Thank you very much, everybody, for joining me. And so we're going to take a short break,
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and we're going to rejoin you after, uh, some musical interlude. Stay tuned.
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UNFORTUNATELY SEVERAL OF OUR GUESTS HAD TO LEAVE
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THOUGH WE HOPE THAT OUR DEAR LEADER WILL RETURN TO US SHORTLY
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AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BIOLOGICAL AND SPIRITUAL VIRTUE
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ONLINE OF LOOKING AT SOME ARTICLES FOR THIS WEEK
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I THINK THE HIGHEST OF ALL OF THESE PHYSICAL VIRTUES
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YOU KNOW, YOU FULFILL YOUR BIOLOGICAL TELOS
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BUT THESE ARE ALWAYS ABSERVIOUS SPIRITUAL VIRTUES
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Spieß voran, drauf und dran, setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Arm.