Mysterium Fasces


Mysterium Fasces Episode 13 — Spiritual Warfare


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90


Summary

Florian Dyer is joined by Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson to discuss spiritual warfare and the controversy surrounding Mike Enoch and his wife. Also, the Daily Stormer and Iron March ban me, and why I was banned from their community.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Blessed are you, O Lord, teach me your statutes.
00:00:08.760 The choir of the saints has found the fountain of life
00:00:14.940 and the door of paradise.
00:00:19.420 May I also find the way through repentance.
00:00:24.660 I am the sheep that was lost.
00:00:28.000 Call me up to you, O Savior, and save me.
00:00:35.100 Blessed are you, O Lord, teach me your statutes.
00:00:41.700 You who did fashion me of old out of nothingness
00:00:46.960 and with your image divine did honor me.
00:00:53.060 But because of transgressions of your commandments
00:00:59.740 did return me again to the earth from whence I was taken.
00:01:08.680 Lead me back to be refashioned
00:01:12.320 into that ancient beauty of your likeness.
00:01:19.860 Blessed are you, O Lord, teach me your statutes.
00:01:25.820 I am the image of your unutterable glory.
00:01:33.920 Though I bear the scars of my stumblings,
00:01:38.560 have compassion upon me.
00:01:41.920 The work of your hands, O Sovereign Lord.
00:01:46.920 Welcome to Mysterium Fasci's episode 13, Spiritual Warfare.
00:01:52.720 I'm your host, Florian Dyer.
00:01:55.260 And joining me today are Zyger of the Daily Stormer and Iron March.
00:01:59.680 Thank you, Zyger.
00:02:00.440 You are useful and loyal.
00:02:03.180 Thank you.
00:02:03.580 It's always fun to be there.
00:02:06.140 Also joining me is Doc Savage.
00:02:08.780 You should know him by now.
00:02:09.840 A regular contributor and an AeroDite fellow.
00:02:13.100 Glad to be here.
00:02:14.140 And as our special guest joining us once more on the program
00:02:17.980 is Dr. Father Matthew Raphael Johnson,
00:02:21.740 the arch-AeroDite, an excellent resource,
00:02:26.460 by far the smartest man in the far right today.
00:02:29.860 Thank you very much, Doctor.
00:02:31.680 Well, I'm knowledgeable.
00:02:33.080 That's not the same thing as being intelligent.
00:02:34.860 But I love this show and I love being on it.
00:02:37.300 Well, excellent.
00:02:37.920 We feel the same way here.
00:02:40.260 So there's a couple of different...
00:02:42.400 Today we're going to be discussing spiritual warfare,
00:02:44.920 which I think is a very important topic
00:02:46.580 that is rarely addressed in a formal sit-down format.
00:02:51.540 And that's exactly what Mysterium tries to do,
00:02:53.380 is address these topics that are never addressed.
00:02:56.080 But before we get into that,
00:02:57.160 there's a few different things that I want to get into.
00:03:00.620 First of all, I want to give a shout-out
00:03:02.600 to a new podcast that's come out called...
00:03:05.460 Let's see here.
00:03:06.740 It's called Helicopter Mom.
00:03:07.820 It's run by my friend, Julia Evola.
00:03:10.380 It's a podcast aimed at young Christian mothers,
00:03:13.840 essentially, right, Christian mothers.
00:03:15.500 I'll put a link in the description.
00:03:16.820 You guys should all go check that out.
00:03:18.700 You know, I know that she's a good woman, Orthodox,
00:03:21.720 and she certainly will appreciate the support.
00:03:25.040 Now, secondarily,
00:03:27.800 people have been asking me to chime in on the drama
00:03:31.980 that's been erupting in the far right,
00:03:34.580 and, you know, he's a meme like Enoch,
00:03:36.300 and, you know, the fact that his wife is Jewish,
00:03:39.000 and all of the doxing, and this kind of stuff.
00:03:41.920 So, you know, I'm not going to go on at this
00:03:45.020 for any real length,
00:03:46.460 but I figure I'd just give my thoughts really quickly.
00:03:50.020 So as some of you know,
00:03:51.900 I was, a couple of months ago,
00:03:55.540 banned from TRS.
00:03:58.380 I had been a member there
00:03:59.280 since, like, the first couple episodes of The Daily Show-Up.
00:04:01.720 It was also made for Sonnet on Grata,
00:04:04.300 which meant that anybody that had me on their podcasts
00:04:06.600 would also be banned,
00:04:07.880 and their podcast taken down.
00:04:10.120 Now, the reason why I was banned
00:04:13.560 was ostensibly because I had Nat on the program,
00:04:16.720 and nobody from Iron March was allowed on,
00:04:18.580 and Nat was from Iron March.
00:04:21.760 There are implicit reasons as to why this was.
00:04:25.720 You know, really, it's because Iron March
00:04:27.520 was agitating very hard against homosexuality,
00:04:29.900 and it was agitating against homosexuals
00:04:31.880 who were in the movement.
00:04:33.300 You know, Greg Johnson, Millennial Woes,
00:04:34.880 and then Richard Spencer,
00:04:36.440 to the extent that he promoted the acceptance
00:04:38.860 of homosexuality or had a soft position,
00:04:40.900 and that's why they were ostracized from the community,
00:04:43.760 and, you know, if you guys recall,
00:04:45.700 in my episode, Sodomy and Usury,
00:04:47.120 that was exactly the subject we were discussing.
00:04:49.120 So that's kind of the short picture there.
00:04:51.580 But all of that being said,
00:04:53.560 I have no animosity towards TRS.
00:04:55.560 I personally like Mike Enoch.
00:04:57.620 I think he's an affable guy.
00:04:58.940 I do have respect for him,
00:05:00.360 even though, you know, his wife is Jewish,
00:05:02.620 but I think that he's done, frankly.
00:05:04.880 You know, if you're in, this is the far right,
00:05:07.540 you know, we're supposed to, you know,
00:05:08.840 like national socialist, fascist, whatever.
00:05:11.600 His wife is Jewish, and she's not just Jewish.
00:05:14.540 She's, you know, pro-LGBT, heavily Jewish.
00:05:18.980 She's a kike, okay?
00:05:20.920 Like really, like a stereotypical figure.
00:05:24.840 And so, you know, he's done,
00:05:28.780 as far as I can see in terms of commentary or activism.
00:05:35.460 It's just, you know, as long as he has a Jewish wife,
00:05:38.200 there's just no way this can go on.
00:05:40.840 You know, you can't take him seriously.
00:05:43.040 And so I don't have any animosity.
00:05:44.520 I mean, I just think that that's basically
00:05:46.420 the long and short of it is you can't,
00:05:48.680 you know, you can't do this with a Jewish wife.
00:05:52.140 Now, that being said, you know,
00:05:53.400 I think that it's, this kind of goes to show you
00:05:56.260 that we, racist liberalism doesn't work, okay?
00:06:00.580 We've got a lot of people on the alt-right
00:06:03.340 who are basically racist liberals,
00:06:05.680 and they live a bourgeois lifestyle.
00:06:07.500 They support bourgeois policies.
00:06:09.000 They basically want to go back to 1950s America.
00:06:11.000 And, you know, these are people who have Jewish wives
00:06:15.120 and who are homos and have other sort of issues like this.
00:06:19.520 And so I think that the fundamental question
00:06:21.260 is not Mike Enoch or TRS or whatever,
00:06:23.600 like there's a lot of good stuff there,
00:06:24.980 a lot of good people there, a lot of good content,
00:06:26.940 but it's, you know, the worldview.
00:06:28.860 And until we basically bolt down and say, you know,
00:06:31.100 how many times does this have to happen
00:06:33.120 and are we going to get embarrassed before we say,
00:06:34.960 you know, racist liberalism is not part of the alt-right,
00:06:37.900 you know, that's the question.
00:06:38.720 Like, so I would just, you know, put it out there
00:06:40.900 that, like, we actually have to have a consistent worldview,
00:06:44.480 you know, and that has to mean, like, no Jews,
00:06:47.180 no fags, no non-whites, like, just the basic rules.
00:06:51.700 And if we just said that, we said no Jews, no fags, whatever,
00:06:54.620 as I've always said, we wouldn't have these issues,
00:06:56.780 you know, because people would know this.
00:06:59.080 You know, it just wouldn't be tolerated.
00:07:00.840 And if somebody, if it came up,
00:07:02.380 then we would just kick them out
00:07:03.700 and it wouldn't be a problem.
00:07:05.480 So that's kind of my little spiel.
00:07:06.820 That's basically what I've been saying all along.
00:07:08.720 I don't think people should be,
00:07:10.940 I think people ideological critique and attack,
00:07:13.280 that's one thing.
00:07:14.020 Personal attack is not, you know,
00:07:15.660 I've seen people wishing,
00:07:16.840 saying that they're glad about the seventh son
00:07:18.640 and my game not being doxxed
00:07:19.660 because they hope this will hurt their families.
00:07:22.420 I think that this is despicable.
00:07:24.500 I think that this is black-hearted.
00:07:26.500 And I think that we need to have charity
00:07:28.460 with one another above all.
00:07:30.260 But charity does not mean indulging evil.
00:07:33.220 Charity does not mean indulging stupidity.
00:07:35.760 It means honesty,
00:07:37.220 honestly and fraternally correcting both of these things.
00:07:41.340 And that's basically all I've got to say on the subject.
00:07:46.280 So, with that out of the way,
00:07:48.740 I want to get into just a little bit.
00:07:50.620 We don't usually in Mysterium,
00:07:51.980 you know, talk about current news,
00:07:53.820 but yesterday was the inauguration
00:07:55.460 of President Donald Trump.
00:07:57.240 I figured we'd just talk at him here
00:07:58.460 for 15, 20 minutes.
00:07:59.480 So, you know,
00:08:03.440 I'll open it up.
00:08:06.940 You know, what do you guys think?
00:08:08.500 How are you, you know, I know,
00:08:09.640 how are you feeling about this?
00:08:11.160 Well, I think this really marks
00:08:14.320 the point where the relationship
00:08:17.040 of, you know, the right and the internet,
00:08:20.280 alt-right, fascist movement with Trump,
00:08:23.280 now is the time that it's going to change.
00:08:25.220 Because, you know,
00:08:26.140 up until this point,
00:08:28.360 a large part of, like,
00:08:30.060 the way that we covered Trump,
00:08:32.160 the way that we talked about him
00:08:33.900 and, you know, made memes
00:08:35.200 and all that stuff,
00:08:36.280 it was kind of a tactic
00:08:38.600 to use the Trump phenomenon
00:08:41.520 to promote ourselves.
00:08:43.140 And it did, you know, work.
00:08:45.240 You know, the strategy worked.
00:08:47.640 You know, Hillary Clinton
00:08:48.920 saw that we were memeing about him
00:08:51.620 and then she used the alt-right
00:08:53.960 and all that stuff to attack him.
00:08:56.180 And, you know, that was part of the plan.
00:08:57.720 At least that was part of the plan
00:08:58.820 of the people who were kind of forward-thinking
00:09:01.960 and who kind of understood
00:09:03.020 the way that these things work.
00:09:05.240 Some people sincerely believed,
00:09:07.040 I guess, that Trump was the
00:09:08.600 reincarnation of Adolf Hitler.
00:09:10.480 But I think the smarter people were like,
00:09:12.460 well, you know,
00:09:13.040 Trump has his positive points
00:09:15.320 and negative points,
00:09:16.640 but at the very least,
00:09:17.900 we can use this phenomenon
00:09:19.820 for our benefit.
00:09:20.700 But now that he's in power,
00:09:22.900 now we're going to be looking at things
00:09:26.520 and critiquing things
00:09:27.840 a lot more objectively,
00:09:30.980 shall we say.
00:09:32.080 And, you know,
00:09:33.380 it might be the case
00:09:35.280 that in some cases
00:09:36.160 it would be good for us
00:09:37.400 to severely criticize Trump
00:09:39.560 or at least, yeah,
00:09:41.180 I mean, show what's really going on.
00:09:43.360 And it's possible that,
00:09:45.120 like, we don't know exactly
00:09:46.560 what Trump's opinions
00:09:48.840 and policies are going to be.
00:09:51.320 And it might be that,
00:09:52.740 you know,
00:09:53.300 there's going to be
00:09:54.000 a lot of compromise.
00:09:55.540 And in that case,
00:09:56.280 like, there's no real reason
00:09:58.060 for us not to pounce
00:10:00.140 and criticize.
00:10:01.540 Because really,
00:10:02.420 criticizing others
00:10:05.880 who are to our left
00:10:07.360 is a big part of the way
00:10:08.840 that we promote ourselves
00:10:09.980 and acquire recruits.
00:10:12.440 I mean, if, you know,
00:10:14.600 these Trump people
00:10:15.840 are disappointed,
00:10:18.520 then they'll be looking
00:10:19.280 for a more radical alternative.
00:10:20.900 And by criticizing him,
00:10:22.460 we're going to be able to,
00:10:24.220 you know,
00:10:24.820 bring people closer
00:10:26.540 to the truth.
00:10:28.360 So I think, yeah,
00:10:29.980 a change in our relationship
00:10:31.500 with him.
00:10:31.840 And even, you know,
00:10:34.340 outlets that have been,
00:10:36.020 you know,
00:10:36.860 very relentlessly promoting Trump,
00:10:38.860 they're, you know,
00:10:39.640 if they know
00:10:40.220 what's good for them,
00:10:41.820 they're going to change that
00:10:43.600 and, you know,
00:10:44.960 become more critical, probably.
00:10:46.500 I think that's the most useful
00:10:47.520 way to go about it.
00:10:51.480 Yeah.
00:10:52.220 I think that you're,
00:10:53.460 that's astute
00:10:54.520 and also correct.
00:10:56.840 And so the way
00:10:57.320 I kind of look at it
00:10:58.040 is like this.
00:11:00.460 I want to make two points.
00:11:02.400 One is like,
00:11:03.400 no, the state is still
00:11:04.400 fundamentally illegitimate.
00:11:06.440 That's what we cannot forget
00:11:07.960 is that we don't have
00:11:09.640 our victory
00:11:10.020 until we actually
00:11:11.600 seize control
00:11:12.440 of the state apparatus
00:11:13.560 or dissolve it
00:11:14.680 and make something
00:11:15.760 that's fundamentally just,
00:11:18.200 that's in accord
00:11:18.760 with natural and divine law.
00:11:20.500 And so until that happens,
00:11:21.520 you know,
00:11:21.660 we haven't won,
00:11:22.340 our fight's not over,
00:11:23.500 and even then
00:11:24.180 we still have to fight
00:11:24.840 to maintain it.
00:11:26.080 And so this,
00:11:26.720 the way I would describe this
00:11:27.800 is if people are familiar
00:11:28.920 with biblical history,
00:11:31.140 there's two great conquerors
00:11:33.580 of the Israelites
00:11:34.340 that come to mind.
00:11:35.380 One is Antiochus IV,
00:11:36.840 Epiphanes,
00:11:37.980 and one is Cyrus the Great.
00:11:40.500 So Antiochus is like
00:11:42.200 Hillary Clinton.
00:11:43.080 This guy was the Greek king
00:11:46.000 of,
00:11:48.080 I think he was the Seleucid king,
00:11:52.020 or not the Seleucid king,
00:11:53.020 rather,
00:11:53.300 but the Egyptian king.
00:11:56.780 And he conquered Israel,
00:11:58.240 and he went into the temple,
00:11:59.220 and he erected a statue to Zeus,
00:12:02.760 and he cut off all of the Maccabees,
00:12:04.280 who were the dynastic kings
00:12:05.440 at the time,
00:12:06.020 and he essentially,
00:12:06.720 you know,
00:12:06.980 raped the civilization
00:12:07.760 and defiled its temples.
00:12:10.260 And then there's Cyrus the Great,
00:12:12.000 who was,
00:12:13.480 as most people know,
00:12:14.300 the founder of the Sassanid dynasty
00:12:15.740 in Persia,
00:12:16.800 who conquered Babylon
00:12:17.960 and freed the Israelites
00:12:19.360 from their captivity.
00:12:21.780 And so he was also,
00:12:23.300 you know,
00:12:23.520 obviously not a,
00:12:24.720 not a legitimate monarch of Israel,
00:12:27.080 or not a legitimate ruler,
00:12:28.600 but he did,
00:12:29.380 you know,
00:12:29.740 he did allow religious freedom.
00:12:31.600 He allowed the diaspora
00:12:32.600 to return to their homelands,
00:12:33.800 he allowed them to gather
00:12:34.820 and organize in their communities,
00:12:36.500 he allowed life to go on
00:12:37.520 much more normally.
00:12:39.180 And so that's what I think
00:12:39.960 is kind of the dichotomy,
00:12:41.440 is like,
00:12:41.740 you know,
00:12:41.920 we should always,
00:12:42.720 we don't want Antiochus,
00:12:44.080 we don't want Cyrus,
00:12:45.620 but Cyrus is,
00:12:46.740 for damn sure,
00:12:47.740 better than Antiochus.
00:12:52.260 Yeah,
00:12:52.720 even if Trump implements,
00:12:54.800 sorry,
00:12:55.200 go ahead.
00:12:57.080 Go ahead,
00:12:57.760 Dr. Johnson.
00:12:58.480 Okay,
00:12:58.700 thank you.
00:13:00.840 I think it's a sign
00:13:01.920 of political immaturity
00:13:02.860 to believe that ideals
00:13:04.880 could ever actually become real
00:13:06.220 with no compromise
00:13:07.880 in politics.
00:13:09.660 It doesn't matter
00:13:10.320 how strong you are,
00:13:11.220 how powerful you are,
00:13:11.940 how popular you are,
00:13:13.200 you're going to have to compromise
00:13:14.380 with elite centers of power.
00:13:17.640 So,
00:13:18.140 an ideology on the one hand
00:13:19.620 and an administration
00:13:20.520 on the other hand
00:13:21.400 is apples and oranges.
00:13:22.840 so this is,
00:13:26.080 yeah,
00:13:26.200 this is a big problem
00:13:26.900 I have.
00:13:27.360 Now,
00:13:27.540 when the violence
00:13:28.500 erupted
00:13:29.300 and the Disrupt J-20
00:13:32.120 made all of its threats
00:13:33.540 which were suspiciously,
00:13:35.480 you know,
00:13:36.420 violent
00:13:36.820 for a group
00:13:37.640 that's very large,
00:13:39.200 I immediately went to work
00:13:40.840 trying to figure out
00:13:41.560 who's financing them.
00:13:42.920 This kind of a project
00:13:44.000 takes a lot of money
00:13:44.940 and a lot of professionalism
00:13:45.920 to put together
00:13:46.460 and I stumbled across
00:13:48.820 the two big investment firms,
00:13:51.400 maybe this is more
00:13:52.120 common knowledge
00:13:52.880 than I realize,
00:13:53.600 but both in New England,
00:13:57.300 the Boston Syndicate
00:13:58.000 and the Boston Syndicate
00:13:58.920 and they represent
00:14:00.600 a very specific demographic though
00:14:02.040 and I have kind of
00:14:03.980 a tentative view here
00:14:05.160 that these are
00:14:06.600 very,
00:14:07.060 very young,
00:14:08.580 you know,
00:14:08.900 millennial millionaires.
00:14:11.660 Sort of the informal leader
00:14:13.160 at least for a while
00:14:13.880 was Brian Shin
00:14:14.720 of Goldman Sachs
00:14:15.580 but he's not been
00:14:16.560 with Goldman Sachs
00:14:17.320 for a long time.
00:14:18.480 But seeing the list
00:14:19.220 of people financing
00:14:20.120 the Disrupt J-20
00:14:21.120 and they have,
00:14:23.120 you know,
00:14:23.360 different non-profits
00:14:24.760 that follow money to them,
00:14:26.560 they all looked very similar.
00:14:28.580 They were all in their 20s,
00:14:30.000 they were all millionaires,
00:14:30.940 they were all Ivy League,
00:14:32.700 mostly it was Harvard Business School
00:14:33.940 and MIT
00:14:34.480 which is not Ivy League
00:14:35.920 but in that same category
00:14:37.140 which I don't think
00:14:38.940 is a coincidence.
00:14:40.220 There seems to be a coup
00:14:41.260 as for the French revolutionary
00:14:43.200 bourgeois jacobins
00:14:44.500 roughly from the same class.
00:14:47.020 This is a young millennial
00:14:48.160 millionaires club
00:14:49.340 demanding power.
00:14:51.380 And this is a group
00:14:51.940 that's finally money
00:14:52.560 into Disrupt J-20
00:14:54.240 and I'm wondering
00:14:54.880 if they've had enough
00:14:56.260 even with people
00:14:56.860 like Goldman Sachs
00:14:57.760 and George Soros
00:14:59.940 and want something
00:15:01.080 that you're talking about there.
00:15:03.780 Yeah,
00:15:03.940 the Disrupt movement,
00:15:04.620 yeah.
00:15:05.540 Yeah,
00:15:05.660 that particular group.
00:15:07.000 I'm not familiar
00:15:07.920 with that organization.
00:15:09.260 Okay,
00:15:09.520 this is a group
00:15:10.160 that said
00:15:10.700 they were going
00:15:11.180 to shut down
00:15:11.760 the inauguration
00:15:12.440 and they were going
00:15:13.960 to do everything
00:15:14.880 that they were going
00:15:15.440 to kill Donald Trump
00:15:16.140 and again
00:15:18.740 hashtag Disrupt
00:15:19.840 J-20
00:15:20.400 is the name
00:15:21.100 of the group.
00:15:21.840 This was the umbrella
00:15:22.500 organization
00:15:23.200 for most of the
00:15:24.080 very violent organizations.
00:15:26.020 It took me a long time
00:15:26.860 to figure out
00:15:27.360 where this money
00:15:27.820 is coming from
00:15:28.460 but it can't be
00:15:31.500 a coincidence
00:15:31.860 that it's all
00:15:33.260 from a group
00:15:34.060 of people
00:15:34.400 that have so much
00:15:35.640 in common.
00:15:36.720 They're even all
00:15:37.040 from the same state.
00:15:39.080 My greatest fear
00:15:40.100 and I don't,
00:15:41.280 you know,
00:15:41.480 Donald Trump is,
00:15:42.900 you know,
00:15:43.700 he's not a savior figure
00:15:44.920 at all but
00:15:45.420 is that General Mattis
00:15:47.540 who is a long time
00:15:49.160 enemy of Donald Trump
00:15:49.960 who is in with this group
00:15:51.760 is going to be used
00:15:53.240 to get rid of him
00:15:53.980 at one point
00:15:54.480 if push comes to shove.
00:15:56.340 I know that's extreme
00:15:57.040 but General Mattis
00:15:58.620 was the man
00:15:59.220 that George Soros
00:16:00.640 approached
00:16:01.180 and the American
00:16:02.580 spectator
00:16:03.060 approached
00:16:03.860 to run against Trump
00:16:04.700 during the crisis
00:16:05.460 as a Republican
00:16:06.020 and he said no.
00:16:08.980 Now he's
00:16:09.560 Secretary of Defense
00:16:10.280 saying that we have
00:16:11.600 to have a
00:16:12.360 American,
00:16:14.380 increased American
00:16:15.160 military presence
00:16:15.900 around the world
00:16:16.560 and he's demanding
00:16:17.580 war with Russia
00:16:18.380 as he said
00:16:18.900 to the Heritage Foundation
00:16:19.620 last year.
00:16:21.240 He's now
00:16:21.640 Secretary of Defense.
00:16:23.660 I don't know
00:16:23.960 if you noticed
00:16:24.400 but there was
00:16:25.740 no media
00:16:26.580 attack
00:16:27.300 on this man.
00:16:28.680 All of a sudden
00:16:29.340 Donald Trump
00:16:29.760 was okay
00:16:30.280 just where
00:16:31.100 General James Mattis
00:16:32.280 was concerned.
00:16:34.120 I know I crammed
00:16:34.920 a lot of stuff
00:16:35.360 into a few words
00:16:36.400 there.
00:16:37.300 That's my
00:16:37.760 general opinion.
00:16:39.040 The big point
00:16:39.640 though
00:16:39.900 this seems
00:16:41.080 to be a very
00:16:41.620 radical group
00:16:42.300 of young
00:16:42.760 millionaires
00:16:43.340 from Harvard
00:16:44.380 and this bothers
00:16:46.340 me.
00:16:50.580 Doc Savage
00:16:51.280 or Zagra
00:16:51.660 would you like
00:16:52.040 to go?
00:16:52.280 Well you know
00:16:53.780 it's always
00:16:55.060 never ceases
00:16:57.100 to amuse me
00:16:57.880 how often
00:16:58.500 things come
00:16:59.340 back to Harvard
00:16:59.980 as an institution
00:17:01.100 as being
00:17:02.220 the sort of
00:17:02.780 the ground zero
00:17:03.860 of all of
00:17:05.560 these movements
00:17:06.260 and mores
00:17:08.980 and just
00:17:09.820 basically
00:17:10.620 degeneracy
00:17:11.400 from the very
00:17:13.900 beginning.
00:17:15.660 I know we've
00:17:16.560 mentioned Harvard
00:17:17.120 as an institution
00:17:17.780 before here
00:17:18.440 many times
00:17:19.000 of course
00:17:19.340 more broadly
00:17:21.680 regarding
00:17:24.340 you know
00:17:25.300 Trump
00:17:27.280 and
00:17:27.920 inauguration
00:17:30.660 you're
00:17:33.880 absolutely
00:17:34.160 correct
00:17:34.580 the system
00:17:35.820 is
00:17:36.460 completely
00:17:37.320 illegitimate
00:17:38.400 so we
00:17:40.440 cannot be
00:17:41.060 too excited
00:17:41.680 that a
00:17:43.260 slightly
00:17:44.200 less
00:17:44.960 hostile
00:17:46.400 power
00:17:47.100 is in charge
00:17:47.700 of this
00:17:48.020 system
00:17:48.400 it's still
00:17:50.220 a fundamentally
00:17:51.120 hostile
00:17:51.880 system
00:17:52.460 you know
00:17:53.360 personally
00:17:54.320 I'm a monarchist
00:17:55.120 and I won't be
00:17:55.880 particularly happy
00:17:56.700 until we've
00:17:57.920 gone back
00:17:58.260 to Kings
00:17:58.660 but all that
00:18:01.820 being said
00:18:02.380 you know
00:18:03.300 it does feel
00:18:04.300 like a sense
00:18:05.080 of relief
00:18:05.580 when the boot
00:18:06.140 you know
00:18:07.740 lifts off
00:18:09.260 the neck
00:18:09.660 and I think
00:18:11.340 that's
00:18:11.640 something
00:18:12.000 like our
00:18:13.720 position
00:18:14.040 currently
00:18:14.540 yeah
00:18:16.180 I mean
00:18:16.520 we can never
00:18:17.360 forget
00:18:17.900 that even
00:18:18.740 if Trump
00:18:19.820 implements
00:18:20.540 all his
00:18:21.320 policies
00:18:21.880 and even
00:18:22.700 goes further
00:18:23.240 than them
00:18:23.680 that's still
00:18:25.080 going to be
00:18:25.460 very very
00:18:26.400 far off
00:18:27.180 from where
00:18:27.840 we want
00:18:28.280 to go
00:18:28.540 so
00:18:29.260 if
00:18:30.140 all of this
00:18:32.360 happens
00:18:32.840 at the
00:18:33.380 expense
00:18:33.980 of
00:18:35.220 you know
00:18:36.180 us
00:18:36.620 installing
00:18:37.340 real justice
00:18:39.660 then
00:18:40.700 there's
00:18:42.100 there's no
00:18:42.240 room
00:18:42.480 to rejoice
00:18:43.040 here
00:18:43.380 but
00:18:44.420 if
00:18:44.920 we can
00:18:45.840 adapt
00:18:46.420 to the
00:18:46.920 situation
00:18:47.480 and use
00:18:48.340 it to our
00:18:48.660 advantage
00:18:49.080 and
00:18:49.820 there will
00:18:50.760 be some
00:18:51.100 relief
00:18:51.480 like you've
00:18:52.200 said
00:18:52.360 Doc Savage
00:18:52.900 then
00:18:54.320 you know
00:18:54.660 that's
00:18:55.240 fine
00:18:55.500 and
00:18:56.020 whatever
00:18:57.320 what's
00:18:57.720 important
00:18:58.020 is just
00:18:58.420 to
00:18:58.800 you know
00:18:59.140 remain
00:18:59.700 vigilant
00:19:00.780 and adapt
00:19:01.980 to
00:19:02.140 circumstances
00:19:02.760 that's
00:19:03.920 all
00:19:04.140 yep
00:19:06.080 I would
00:19:06.680 reinforce
00:19:07.060 that
00:19:07.360 I think
00:19:07.780 that's
00:19:08.060 a pretty
00:19:08.340 good
00:19:08.480 broad
00:19:08.720 overview
00:19:09.100 and I'll
00:19:09.560 make my
00:19:09.840 last point
00:19:10.340 and then we
00:19:10.660 can get
00:19:10.940 into the
00:19:11.300 show topic
00:19:12.560 for today
00:19:13.040 is that
00:19:13.940 I'm worried
00:19:14.700 that Donald
00:19:16.500 Trump
00:19:16.840 is part
00:19:17.820 of a
00:19:18.000 dialectic
00:19:18.580 I'm worried
00:19:19.560 that
00:19:20.100 Donald Trump
00:19:21.640 was purposefully
00:19:22.720 set up
00:19:23.280 as this
00:19:24.500 kind of
00:19:25.460 pseudo-savior
00:19:26.380 populist
00:19:27.020 figure
00:19:27.440 against
00:19:28.020 Hillary Clinton
00:19:28.840 so that
00:19:29.960 the
00:19:30.460 financial
00:19:31.600 elite
00:19:32.140 the
00:19:32.940 you know
00:19:34.440 Anglo-Jewish
00:19:35.720 free-misonic
00:19:36.900 alliance
00:19:37.380 based out
00:19:38.480 of New York
00:19:39.080 and the
00:19:39.340 city of
00:19:39.700 London
00:19:40.020 could
00:19:41.320 redirect
00:19:41.740 and manage
00:19:42.820 the
00:19:43.300 discontent
00:19:44.060 and fervor
00:19:44.620 in a way
00:19:45.140 that would
00:19:45.560 not destroy
00:19:46.460 the entire
00:19:47.140 international
00:19:47.720 system
00:19:48.140 that they
00:19:48.400 created
00:19:48.860 but rather
00:19:50.140 in fact
00:19:50.820 would strengthen
00:19:51.660 it
00:19:52.000 you know
00:19:53.600 I'm worried
00:19:53.980 that they've
00:19:54.360 realized
00:19:54.800 that they
00:19:55.140 can't
00:19:55.460 actually
00:19:55.800 destroy
00:19:56.360 wholesale
00:19:56.820 America
00:19:58.040 which is
00:19:58.540 the linchpin
00:19:59.060 of the
00:19:59.400 empire
00:19:59.840 on its
00:20:00.880 home territory
00:20:01.440 because that
00:20:02.000 means the
00:20:02.360 empire will
00:20:02.840 collapse
00:20:03.280 and that
00:20:04.020 that is
00:20:04.720 why
00:20:05.820 they
00:20:06.120 you know
00:20:06.820 why Donald
00:20:07.700 Trump
00:20:08.020 has been
00:20:09.080 allowed to
00:20:09.620 progress
00:20:09.920 this far
00:20:10.560 you know
00:20:12.020 people will
00:20:12.460 say well
00:20:12.940 like he's
00:20:13.780 been massively
00:20:14.360 opposed
00:20:15.120 by
00:20:16.120 you know
00:20:17.320 everybody
00:20:17.700 by the
00:20:18.180 bankers
00:20:18.580 by media
00:20:19.740 well I
00:20:20.320 mean I
00:20:20.540 would say
00:20:20.800 like
00:20:21.020 in the
00:20:23.900 1930s
00:20:24.860 okay
00:20:25.220 Hitler
00:20:26.700 after he
00:20:28.180 started to
00:20:29.000 come to
00:20:29.440 power
00:20:29.720 there was
00:20:30.220 factions that
00:20:31.040 both
00:20:31.300 opposed
00:20:32.620 him
00:20:32.940 and
00:20:33.480 tried to
00:20:33.720 play
00:20:33.880 a
00:20:34.000 war
00:20:34.360 mongering
00:20:34.880 but also
00:20:36.840 factions who
00:20:37.560 funded him
00:20:38.160 and were
00:20:39.480 trying to
00:20:40.260 appease him
00:20:40.900 because they
00:20:42.140 wanted
00:20:42.980 conflict in
00:20:43.940 Europe
00:20:44.180 they wanted
00:20:45.680 to be able
00:20:46.180 to sweep
00:20:46.680 away
00:20:47.240 Germany as
00:20:48.860 a threat
00:20:49.380 to the
00:20:49.960 global power
00:20:51.140 establishment
00:20:51.700 and because
00:20:52.800 these banking
00:20:53.780 cartels
00:20:54.960 benefit from
00:20:56.360 warfare
00:20:57.420 there
00:20:57.540 because they
00:20:59.140 are on
00:20:59.600 both sides
00:21:00.200 so I
00:21:00.620 would say
00:21:01.000 that
00:21:01.220 that's not
00:21:02.380 to say
00:21:02.600 that Hitler
00:21:02.900 wasn't
00:21:04.120 legit
00:21:04.640 maybe Donald
00:21:05.720 Trump is
00:21:06.140 legit
00:21:06.480 but I'm
00:21:06.880 saying that
00:21:07.400 there is
00:21:08.020 they could
00:21:11.380 be basically
00:21:12.220 trying to
00:21:12.720 guide or
00:21:13.380 manage these
00:21:14.100 independent
00:21:14.560 variables in
00:21:15.420 directions which
00:21:16.060 work into
00:21:16.500 their long
00:21:16.980 term agenda
00:21:17.560 and so I
00:21:18.700 think that it's
00:21:19.120 just important
00:21:19.760 that as you
00:21:20.460 say we
00:21:21.160 remain aware
00:21:22.580 and vigilant
00:21:23.340 and we do
00:21:23.980 not get
00:21:24.460 complacent
00:21:25.140 we remember
00:21:26.720 that we
00:21:27.280 you know
00:21:27.740 we're
00:21:30.200 living in
00:21:30.940 a Zionist
00:21:31.480 occupation
00:21:31.780 government
00:21:32.220 and that
00:21:33.080 until that
00:21:34.760 occupation
00:21:35.220 government
00:21:35.620 is defeated
00:21:36.320 there is
00:21:37.680 no room
00:21:38.160 for rest
00:21:38.580 politically
00:21:39.040 I want to
00:21:41.140 disagree with
00:21:41.540 you just
00:21:41.800 on the one
00:21:42.420 point that
00:21:43.640 the regime
00:21:44.200 and by that
00:21:45.280 I mean this
00:21:45.800 public private
00:21:46.980 oligarchical
00:21:47.840 system globally
00:21:48.760 set up
00:21:50.120 Trump in
00:21:50.560 this position
00:21:51.120 I can't
00:21:52.620 I understand
00:21:53.800 where you're
00:21:54.140 coming from
00:21:54.580 and I get
00:21:55.020 the worry
00:21:55.420 but I
00:21:56.460 can't believe
00:21:57.200 it
00:21:57.840 number one
00:21:58.620 I have
00:21:59.300 never come
00:21:59.740 across a
00:22:00.400 campaign
00:22:00.940 not even
00:22:02.260 in 1860
00:22:02.980 where the
00:22:04.160 hatred and
00:22:04.760 contempt
00:22:05.120 have been
00:22:05.460 poured out
00:22:05.960 from every
00:22:06.360 elite media
00:22:06.920 source in
00:22:08.180 this country
00:22:08.500 against someone
00:22:09.000 number two
00:22:09.500 he hasn't
00:22:10.280 received a
00:22:10.660 dime from
00:22:11.180 many of
00:22:11.440 these people
00:22:11.920 number three
00:22:14.260 he has
00:22:15.100 survived I
00:22:16.020 think four
00:22:16.380 assassination
00:22:16.780 attempts right
00:22:17.520 now
00:22:17.740 we know
00:22:19.260 that the
00:22:19.660 billionaires
00:22:20.220 globally
00:22:21.180 have conspired
00:22:22.240 to get rid
00:22:22.560 of this guy
00:22:23.000 and finally
00:22:23.700 the bigger
00:22:25.280 issue though
00:22:25.840 is the
00:22:26.700 regime
00:22:27.100 isn't all
00:22:28.000 powerful
00:22:28.380 they're
00:22:29.480 powerful
00:22:29.860 they control
00:22:30.480 a huge
00:22:30.940 amount of
00:22:31.260 money
00:22:31.480 and governments
00:22:32.460 but they're
00:22:33.560 struggling right
00:22:34.120 now
00:22:34.360 they're being
00:22:36.540 exposed every
00:22:37.500 day
00:22:37.700 I just don't
00:22:39.520 think they're
00:22:39.960 that overwhelmingly
00:22:40.700 powerful
00:22:41.220 that they can
00:22:43.160 create someone
00:22:44.080 like this
00:22:44.600 and then
00:22:45.500 create an
00:22:47.180 entire
00:22:47.620 elite movement
00:22:49.340 of millions
00:22:50.000 of millions
00:22:50.020 of people
00:22:50.340 trying to
00:22:50.660 destroy
00:22:50.940 I think
00:22:52.320 that gives
00:22:52.720 them a
00:22:53.180 unity
00:22:53.460 and a
00:22:54.420 rationality
00:22:55.000 that they
00:22:55.220 don't have
00:22:55.620 anymore
00:22:55.900 I think
00:22:57.500 the regime
00:22:57.880 right now
00:22:58.280 is struggling
00:22:58.720 and my
00:23:00.080 biggest fear
00:23:00.780 or one of
00:23:01.380 my biggest
00:23:01.660 fears
00:23:01.980 is that
00:23:03.040 they're
00:23:03.400 kind of
00:23:03.700 like a
00:23:04.020 cornered
00:23:04.380 animal
00:23:04.720 wounded
00:23:06.240 that will
00:23:07.700 then lash
00:23:08.200 out in
00:23:09.200 more and
00:23:09.560 more rational
00:23:10.100 ways
00:23:10.480 I just think
00:23:11.300 you're giving
00:23:11.640 the regime
00:23:12.220 more unity
00:23:13.860 and power
00:23:14.620 and focus
00:23:15.300 than they
00:23:16.460 really have
00:23:16.960 Trump
00:23:17.260 was
00:23:17.500 self-financed
00:23:18.240 and it
00:23:20.500 goes back
00:23:20.820 to what I
00:23:21.080 said about
00:23:21.360 General Mattis
00:23:22.000 they did
00:23:23.280 have elite
00:23:23.660 candidates
00:23:24.000 they did
00:23:24.380 have people
00:23:24.720 that they
00:23:24.940 were
00:23:25.080 Mattis
00:23:25.580 was the
00:23:25.860 one
00:23:25.980 they were
00:23:26.220 trying to
00:23:26.540 groom
00:23:26.760 for this
00:23:27.200 he would
00:23:27.940 have been
00:23:28.180 a perfect
00:23:28.520 example
00:23:28.900 of what
00:23:29.160 you're
00:23:29.280 talking
00:23:29.580 about
00:23:29.900 Trump
00:23:31.520 he's going
00:23:33.500 to be
00:23:33.740 cut down
00:23:34.080 to size
00:23:34.440 in Washington
00:23:34.860 D.C.
00:23:35.340 he is no
00:23:35.840 safer figure
00:23:36.360 by any
00:23:36.720 means
00:23:37.060 but I
00:23:39.220 just think
00:23:39.660 it's going
00:23:39.940 too far
00:23:40.360 to say
00:23:40.780 that this
00:23:41.120 is some
00:23:41.540 controlled
00:23:42.860 opposition
00:23:43.340 fair enough
00:23:46.640 critique
00:23:47.020 and I
00:23:47.560 didn't
00:23:48.000 this was
00:23:50.040 my worry
00:23:50.660 rather than
00:23:51.340 my speculation
00:23:52.000 is what I
00:23:52.900 would say
00:23:53.280 I completely
00:23:55.040 understand where
00:23:55.700 you're coming
00:23:56.000 from
00:23:56.300 because now
00:23:57.740 that he's
00:23:58.020 president
00:23:58.380 he's now
00:23:59.240 going to be
00:23:59.500 dealing with
00:24:00.140 hundreds of
00:24:00.740 thousands of
00:24:01.320 unionized
00:24:02.000 career bureaucrats
00:24:03.160 not to mention
00:24:04.660 judges and
00:24:05.260 local government
00:24:05.720 he's not
00:24:06.780 able to do
00:24:07.200 very much
00:24:07.660 he has to
00:24:10.480 go through
00:24:10.780 a bureaucracy
00:24:11.280 a highly
00:24:12.260 professional
00:24:12.720 very large
00:24:13.660 and unionized
00:24:14.200 bureaucracy
00:24:14.680 if Nicholas
00:24:16.320 I
00:24:16.700 the emperor
00:24:17.060 of Russia
00:24:17.500 couldn't get
00:24:17.980 stuff done
00:24:18.600 because the
00:24:19.680 bureaucracy
00:24:19.920 was against
00:24:20.380 him
00:24:20.600 I fear
00:24:21.860 that Donald
00:24:22.620 Trump
00:24:22.960 who has
00:24:23.860 less power
00:24:24.260 than he
00:24:24.560 did
00:24:24.820 is going
00:24:25.460 to be
00:24:25.620 in the
00:24:25.820 same boat
00:24:26.240 so it's
00:24:26.480 not even
00:24:26.720 his
00:24:26.900 intentions
00:24:27.380 it's just
00:24:28.140 the nature
00:24:28.440 of the
00:24:28.660 system
00:24:28.980 the American
00:24:29.620 government
00:24:29.940 was designed
00:24:30.700 to be slow
00:24:31.320 and cumbersome
00:24:32.000 and problematic
00:24:32.980 to run
00:24:33.440 so that's
00:24:34.940 my view
00:24:35.200 of it
00:24:35.360 anyway
00:24:35.560 and then
00:24:36.940 in addition
00:24:37.380 to the
00:24:37.940 bureaucracy
00:24:38.600 being uncooperative
00:24:42.260 you have
00:24:42.660 the near
00:24:44.420 certainty
00:24:44.920 of continuous
00:24:46.340 lawfare
00:24:47.180 of legal
00:24:48.880 harassment
00:24:49.660 to the
00:24:50.200 executive branch
00:24:51.440 and it'll be
00:24:55.560 interesting to
00:24:56.020 see how
00:24:56.800 Trump reacts
00:24:58.500 to that
00:24:58.900 yeah
00:24:59.640 I think
00:25:00.200 that's
00:25:00.560 we will
00:25:01.620 see
00:25:01.860 all will
00:25:03.320 be revealed
00:25:03.780 in time
00:25:04.340 now
00:25:05.680 on to
00:25:06.340 more important
00:25:07.800 perennial
00:25:08.280 discussions
00:25:08.840 so as I
00:25:09.680 mentioned
00:25:10.020 in the
00:25:10.440 introduction
00:25:10.880 the topic
00:25:12.900 of our show
00:25:13.240 today is
00:25:13.820 spiritual
00:25:14.580 warfare
00:25:15.380 now
00:25:16.760 this is
00:25:17.380 something
00:25:17.660 that is
00:25:18.000 probably
00:25:18.620 fairly well
00:25:19.280 known
00:25:19.720 around
00:25:20.260 you know
00:25:21.580 Catholic
00:25:21.920 traditional
00:25:22.260 Catholic
00:25:22.680 orthodox
00:25:23.160 circles
00:25:23.580 most people
00:25:24.160 might have
00:25:24.460 heard of
00:25:24.700 this term
00:25:25.000 before
00:25:25.400 or are
00:25:25.920 familiar
00:25:26.240 with what
00:25:26.720 it entails
00:25:27.320 but I think
00:25:28.140 that there
00:25:28.380 are lots
00:25:28.740 of people
00:25:29.020 who really
00:25:29.760 don't
00:25:30.200 understand
00:25:30.580 this
00:25:31.020 and I
00:25:31.820 think
00:25:31.980 that they
00:25:32.220 have a
00:25:32.640 little bit
00:25:33.260 of an
00:25:33.440 idea
00:25:33.800 what we're
00:25:34.120 talking
00:25:34.500 about
00:25:34.840 but don't
00:25:35.820 have any
00:25:36.160 real foundational
00:25:37.060 knowledge
00:25:37.640 so I
00:25:39.880 think
00:25:40.040 perhaps
00:25:40.620 it would
00:25:40.900 be best
00:25:41.200 to start
00:25:41.700 with a
00:25:42.940 definition
00:25:43.300 like what
00:25:43.800 is
00:25:44.020 spiritual
00:25:44.540 warfare
00:25:44.940 so I'm
00:25:45.920 going to
00:25:46.080 withhold
00:25:46.400 my own
00:25:46.700 opinion
00:25:46.960 for the
00:25:47.240 moment
00:25:47.460 and kind
00:25:47.780 of turn
00:25:48.040 it to
00:25:48.480 Dr.
00:25:49.900 Johnson
00:25:50.140 and then
00:25:50.480 Doc Savage
00:25:51.140 to see
00:25:51.740 what your
00:25:52.080 opinions are
00:25:52.660 what is
00:25:53.300 spiritual
00:25:53.740 warfare
00:25:54.140 the way
00:25:56.280 that it's
00:25:56.520 been
00:25:56.760 traditionally
00:25:57.380 defined
00:25:57.860 there's not
00:25:59.500 much of a
00:25:59.800 distinction
00:26:00.140 between the
00:26:00.780 monastic
00:26:01.140 and the
00:26:02.000 soldier
00:26:02.260 spiritual
00:26:04.820 warfare
00:26:05.220 is the
00:26:05.980 constant
00:26:06.420 never
00:26:06.780 ending
00:26:07.040 battle
00:26:07.480 to
00:26:08.840 control
00:26:09.160 your
00:26:09.340 ego
00:26:09.600 and to
00:26:11.120 not
00:26:11.900 begin
00:26:12.700 to
00:26:12.900 imitate
00:26:13.280 how
00:26:14.720 the
00:26:14.880 world
00:26:15.160 how
00:26:15.460 the
00:26:15.780 system
00:26:16.080 how
00:26:16.420 elites
00:26:17.380 view
00:26:19.360 power
00:26:19.700 it's
00:26:21.200 not
00:26:21.380 passive
00:26:21.900 it's
00:26:22.500 not
00:26:22.700 pacifistic
00:26:23.220 by any
00:26:23.560 means
00:26:23.900 but
00:26:25.120 it is
00:26:25.760 it's
00:26:28.020 almost a
00:26:28.460 war against
00:26:29.000 what our
00:26:29.320 instincts
00:26:29.620 are
00:26:29.920 our
00:26:30.120 instincts
00:26:30.420 are
00:26:30.640 to flee
00:26:31.000 danger
00:26:31.400 our
00:26:31.600 instincts
00:26:31.820 are
00:26:32.080 to
00:26:32.340 do
00:26:34.260 as
00:26:34.400 we
00:26:34.520 please
00:26:34.900 but
00:26:36.340 these
00:26:36.520 instincts
00:26:36.760 are
00:26:36.900 usually
00:26:37.120 irrational
00:26:37.600 ultimately
00:26:38.760 the definition
00:26:39.260 that I would
00:26:39.640 give it
00:26:40.000 is
00:26:41.080 attempting
00:26:41.900 to
00:26:42.180 actually
00:26:42.680 live
00:26:43.720 freely
00:26:44.060 be able
00:26:45.260 to live
00:26:45.460 autonomously
00:26:46.040 that our
00:26:47.020 movements
00:26:47.840 our
00:26:48.140 actions
00:26:49.200 are not
00:26:49.980 driven by
00:26:50.680 desires
00:26:51.220 appetites
00:26:51.860 but actually
00:26:52.760 by reason
00:26:53.300 and spirit
00:26:53.720 itself
00:26:54.100 free will
00:26:55.200 is extremely
00:26:55.800 difficult
00:26:56.180 to manifest
00:26:57.200 it's
00:26:57.760 extremely
00:26:58.040 rare
00:26:58.400 and I
00:27:00.000 think
00:27:00.320 trying to
00:27:01.420 become as
00:27:01.900 free as
00:27:02.260 possible
00:27:02.660 is a
00:27:03.360 definition
00:27:03.720 that I
00:27:04.020 would give
00:27:04.260 it just
00:27:04.500 right off
00:27:04.800 the bat
00:27:05.140 probably a
00:27:08.640 pretty good
00:27:09.000 working
00:27:09.560 definition
00:27:10.000 Doc Savage
00:27:10.720 do you have
00:27:10.960 anything to
00:27:11.360 add to
00:27:11.620 that
00:27:11.860 I would
00:27:14.940 say that
00:27:15.640 that
00:27:17.440 that is
00:27:18.920 the highest
00:27:20.080 level of
00:27:20.840 spiritual
00:27:21.160 warfare
00:27:21.500 is the
00:27:21.820 war against
00:27:22.520 the self
00:27:23.960 as it
00:27:24.380 were
00:27:24.640 of course
00:27:27.300 there's also
00:27:28.080 spiritual
00:27:29.280 warfare
00:27:29.660 in the
00:27:30.080 sense
00:27:30.400 of
00:27:31.400 well
00:27:33.500 warfare
00:27:34.500 against
00:27:35.020 spiritual
00:27:35.660 entities
00:27:36.120 right
00:27:37.000 so
00:27:37.340 not only
00:27:38.260 do we
00:27:38.620 have to
00:27:39.100 be on
00:27:39.480 guard
00:27:39.820 against
00:27:40.180 the
00:27:40.380 passions
00:27:40.860 and
00:27:41.760 the
00:27:42.000 instinct
00:27:42.520 the
00:27:43.340 irrational
00:27:43.860 self
00:27:44.280 the animal
00:27:44.840 soul
00:27:45.300 within
00:27:46.760 us
00:27:47.200 we are
00:27:48.500 also
00:27:48.900 thanks
00:27:49.960 thanks to
00:27:50.500 the fall
00:27:50.900 subject to
00:27:52.020 the
00:27:52.220 domination
00:27:53.140 of
00:27:53.820 well
00:27:54.180 not
00:27:54.560 entirely
00:27:54.920 not
00:27:55.620 necessarily
00:27:56.340 domination
00:27:56.920 but
00:27:57.160 influenced
00:27:57.800 at a
00:27:59.300 minimum
00:27:59.580 of
00:28:00.780 other
00:28:01.820 entities
00:28:02.320 that
00:28:02.980 most
00:28:05.040 almost
00:28:06.460 certainly
00:28:06.940 are
00:28:08.920 inimical
00:28:09.580 to
00:28:10.120 us
00:28:11.240 demons
00:28:12.240 and
00:28:12.320 I
00:28:16.940 should
00:28:17.240 have
00:28:17.340 mentioned
00:28:17.620 these
00:28:19.120 personalities
00:28:19.680 demons
00:28:20.220 this is
00:28:22.880 the ultimate
00:28:23.620 warfare
00:28:24.700 now
00:28:25.620 the only
00:28:26.340 problem
00:28:26.620 I have
00:28:27.060 and I think
00:28:28.460 Protestantism
00:28:28.900 has a lot
00:28:29.140 to do
00:28:29.320 with this
00:28:29.720 even the
00:28:30.880 Toll House
00:28:31.220 theory
00:28:31.480 has a lot
00:28:31.780 to do
00:28:31.980 with this
00:28:32.380 when you
00:28:33.360 read
00:28:33.640 Athanasius
00:28:34.300 autobiography
00:28:36.220 of St.
00:28:36.900 Anthony
00:28:37.060 the Great
00:28:37.380 one of the
00:28:38.840 main themes
00:28:39.360 is that
00:28:39.640 Anthony
00:28:39.960 doesn't
00:28:40.320 really
00:28:40.540 believe
00:28:40.900 that
00:28:41.060 demons
00:28:41.260 have
00:28:41.500 a lot
00:28:41.680 of
00:28:41.740 power
00:28:41.980 since
00:28:43.280 Pashka
00:28:43.900 he's
00:28:45.000 making
00:28:45.400 fun
00:28:45.700 of
00:28:45.820 them
00:28:45.980 they're
00:28:47.140 showing
00:28:47.380 up
00:28:47.580 in
00:28:47.980 his
00:28:48.160 cell
00:28:48.760 like
00:28:49.040 big
00:28:49.320 spiders
00:28:49.700 and
00:28:49.940 monsters
00:28:50.240 and
00:28:50.420 everything
00:28:50.600 else
00:28:50.840 and he
00:28:51.320 laughs
00:28:51.540 at
00:28:51.700 them
00:28:51.780 and he
00:28:51.960 says
00:28:52.180 this
00:28:52.340 is
00:28:52.400 what
00:28:52.500 you
00:28:52.600 guys
00:28:52.740 got
00:28:52.880 to
00:28:52.980 do
00:28:53.200 you
00:28:54.080 know
00:28:54.220 I'm
00:28:54.460 not
00:28:54.580 afraid
00:28:55.060 of you
00:28:55.260 you
00:28:55.340 don't
00:28:55.480 have
00:28:55.620 any
00:28:55.780 power
00:28:56.100 as
00:28:56.520 long
00:28:56.660 as
00:28:56.760 I
00:28:56.860 stay
00:28:57.200 close
00:28:58.280 to
00:28:58.400 the
00:28:58.500 church
00:28:58.740 I'm
00:28:59.560 solid
00:29:00.180 all
00:29:00.860 of
00:29:01.300 the
00:29:01.480 hymns
00:29:02.660 of the
00:29:02.840 church
00:29:03.020 say
00:29:03.420 Satan
00:29:04.120 has
00:29:04.220 been
00:29:04.320 defeated
00:29:04.680 the
00:29:05.040 world
00:29:05.200 has
00:29:05.340 been
00:29:05.540 renewed
00:29:05.980 every
00:29:06.720 feast
00:29:07.080 has
00:29:07.340 the
00:29:07.460 same
00:29:07.820 theme
00:29:08.200 over
00:29:08.360 and
00:29:08.440 over
00:29:08.620 again
00:29:08.960 demons
00:29:09.980 rule
00:29:10.400 as
00:29:10.840 the
00:29:12.600 guy
00:29:12.820 whose name
00:29:13.180 I can't
00:29:13.360 remember
00:29:13.540 just said
00:29:14.020 through
00:29:15.280 images
00:29:15.640 they
00:29:15.940 influence
00:29:17.280 us
00:29:17.780 by
00:29:18.400 giving
00:29:18.700 us
00:29:18.840 fantasies
00:29:19.360 these
00:29:19.580 images
00:29:19.880 of
00:29:20.060 what
00:29:20.160 could
00:29:20.280 be
00:29:20.460 if
00:29:20.600 we
00:29:20.700 had
00:29:21.100 more
00:29:21.580 money
00:29:21.840 or
00:29:21.960 whatever
00:29:22.140 it
00:29:22.260 is
00:29:22.480 and
00:29:23.620 the
00:29:23.740 minute
00:29:23.880 we
00:29:24.040 realize
00:29:24.400 this
00:29:24.620 is
00:29:24.720 all
00:29:24.880 fake
00:29:25.180 and
00:29:28.740 over
00:29:28.980 us
00:29:29.180 I
00:29:29.820 hate
00:29:30.160 the
00:29:30.300 idea
00:29:30.540 people
00:29:30.820 think
00:29:31.100 that
00:29:31.240 demons
00:29:31.520 are
00:29:31.860 just
00:29:32.080 overwhelmingly
00:29:32.700 powerful
00:29:33.220 and
00:29:33.960 brilliant
00:29:34.340 and
00:29:34.800 they
00:29:34.880 control
00:29:35.140 everything
00:29:35.460 which
00:29:35.620 choice
00:29:35.800 do we
00:29:35.980 have
00:29:36.200 after
00:29:37.180 Paschka
00:29:37.640 they've
00:29:38.140 been
00:29:38.280 defeated
00:29:38.620 it's
00:29:38.860 just
00:29:39.020 that
00:29:39.280 you know
00:29:40.060 put it
00:29:41.360 this way
00:29:41.660 demons
00:29:42.020 only
00:29:42.380 have
00:29:42.660 the
00:29:42.780 power
00:29:43.000 that
00:29:43.140 we
00:29:43.240 allow
00:29:43.480 them
00:29:43.620 to
00:29:43.740 have
00:29:43.980 so
00:29:45.180 I
00:29:45.380 should
00:29:45.600 have
00:29:45.680 said
00:29:45.860 that
00:29:46.060 and
00:29:46.280 the
00:29:47.240 guy
00:29:47.400 whose
00:29:47.540 name
00:29:47.680 I
00:29:47.760 can't
00:29:47.820 remember
00:29:48.060 reminded
00:29:48.920 me
00:29:49.060 of
00:29:49.160 it
00:29:49.220 was
00:29:49.340 actually
00:29:49.580 an
00:29:49.700 excellent
00:29:49.900 point
00:29:50.200 yeah
00:29:51.860 I
00:29:58.740 we
00:29:58.900 go
00:29:59.040 to
00:29:59.220 the
00:29:59.380 definition
00:30:00.820 that
00:30:01.120 you
00:30:01.240 gave
00:30:01.520 because
00:30:02.180 when
00:30:03.380 you
00:30:03.500 look
00:30:03.700 at
00:30:03.880 the
00:30:04.060 left
00:30:04.640 and
00:30:05.960 just
00:30:07.680 hold
00:30:07.900 on
00:30:08.080 my
00:30:08.260 mic
00:30:08.800 is
00:30:09.000 like
00:30:09.280 slipping
00:30:09.820 away
00:30:10.100 here
00:30:10.480 no one's
00:30:12.560 going to
00:30:12.680 tell me
00:30:12.880 the guy
00:30:13.180 whose
00:30:13.540 name
00:30:13.700 I
00:30:13.780 can't
00:30:13.900 remember
00:30:14.140 Doc
00:30:14.780 Savage
00:30:15.140 Doc
00:30:15.640 Savage
00:30:15.980 oh
00:30:16.340 sorry
00:30:16.700 about
00:30:16.860 that
00:30:16.960 okay
00:30:17.120 that's
00:30:17.340 right
00:30:17.480 okay
00:30:17.800 got a
00:30:19.920 little
00:30:20.080 issue
00:30:20.480 here
00:30:21.220 we're
00:30:22.260 too
00:30:22.460 meek
00:30:22.740 on
00:30:22.860 this
00:30:22.980 podcast
00:30:23.300 we
00:30:23.620 should
00:30:23.760 assert
00:30:24.040 ourselves
00:30:24.420 perhaps
00:30:24.700 more
00:30:25.000 but
00:30:26.880 no
00:30:27.840 I
00:30:29.040 think
00:30:29.200 we're
00:30:29.960 going
00:30:30.160 to
00:30:30.200 get
00:30:30.340 into
00:30:30.520 the
00:30:31.140 third
00:30:32.460 type
00:30:32.640 of
00:30:32.740 spiritual
00:30:33.040 warfare
00:30:33.360 is
00:30:33.820 the
00:30:34.120 highest
00:30:34.440 is
00:30:34.620 against
00:30:34.820 the
00:30:35.020 self
00:30:35.280 the
00:30:35.560 second
00:30:35.800 is
00:30:35.960 against
00:30:36.300 spirits
00:30:36.940 or
00:30:37.140 demons
00:30:37.400 and
00:30:38.040 the
00:30:38.160 third
00:30:38.300 is
00:30:38.460 against
00:30:38.680 men
00:30:39.040 because
00:30:39.600 men
00:30:39.840 are
00:30:40.140 composite
00:30:40.860 animal
00:30:41.820 and
00:30:42.200 spiritual
00:30:42.520 beings
00:30:43.040 we're
00:30:45.080 going to
00:30:45.240 get into
00:30:45.500 the
00:30:45.640 anatomy
00:30:45.960 of the
00:30:46.280 soul
00:30:46.460 a little
00:30:46.740 bit
00:30:46.920 later
00:30:47.240 but
00:30:48.420 this
00:30:48.680 is
00:30:48.780 the
00:30:48.940 subject
00:30:49.180 I
00:30:49.340 want
00:30:49.440 to
00:30:49.520 discuss
00:30:49.800 first
00:30:50.120 because
00:30:50.400 it's
00:30:50.580 the
00:30:50.740 lowest
00:30:51.100 tier
00:30:51.620 and
00:30:51.840 then
00:30:51.960 we'll
00:30:52.120 work
00:30:52.340 up
00:30:52.520 to
00:30:52.820 the
00:30:53.960 highest
00:30:54.280 tier
00:30:54.600 it's
00:30:55.360 a
00:30:55.460 spiritual
00:30:55.720 warfare
00:30:56.020 against
00:30:56.340 men
00:30:56.680 and
00:30:57.180 the
00:30:57.420 I
00:30:58.160 think
00:30:58.320 that
00:30:58.420 the
00:30:58.560 best
00:30:58.840 discussion
00:30:59.660 on
00:30:59.960 this
00:31:00.180 topic
00:31:00.800 that
00:31:01.020 I've
00:31:01.240 seen
00:31:01.420 comes
00:31:01.720 from
00:31:02.080 Julius
00:31:02.720 Evola
00:31:03.120 wrote
00:31:05.760 a book
00:31:06.100 called
00:31:06.500 The
00:31:06.680 Metaphysics
00:31:07.200 of War
00:31:07.700 which I
00:31:08.280 highly
00:31:09.200 suggest
00:31:09.620 everybody
00:31:09.900 read
00:31:10.320 I mean
00:31:11.140 it's
00:31:11.280 not
00:31:11.400 exactly
00:31:11.760 obviously
00:31:12.540 we're
00:31:12.740 coming
00:31:12.940 at
00:31:13.120 this
00:31:13.260 from
00:31:13.420 a
00:31:14.900 Christian
00:31:15.220 metaphysm
00:31:15.640 standpoint
00:31:16.080 Zeiger's
00:31:16.500 got a
00:31:16.680 little
00:31:16.800 bit
00:31:16.920 of a
00:31:17.080 different
00:31:17.260 metaphysic
00:31:17.760 than
00:31:17.900 we do
00:31:18.220 but
00:31:18.920 that's
00:31:19.720 where
00:31:20.060 Savage
00:31:21.560 Johnson
00:31:22.040 and I
00:31:22.340 are
00:31:22.440 coming
00:31:22.620 from
00:31:22.900 but
00:31:23.340 back
00:31:23.480 to
00:31:23.600 the
00:31:23.680 point
00:31:23.900 so
00:31:24.180 Evola
00:31:24.660 essentially
00:31:26.640 Evola's
00:31:27.160 thesis
00:31:27.380 in that
00:31:27.740 book
00:31:28.040 and he
00:31:28.900 draws
00:31:29.200 this
00:31:29.380 thesis
00:31:29.660 from
00:31:30.040 Islam
00:31:30.860 of
00:31:31.040 all
00:31:31.180 places
00:31:31.560 is
00:31:32.000 that
00:31:32.160 fundamentally
00:31:32.920 conquest
00:31:34.340 in the
00:31:34.880 material
00:31:35.280 realm
00:31:35.680 the
00:31:36.500 defeat
00:31:36.780 of
00:31:36.900 an
00:31:36.980 enemy
00:31:37.180 is
00:31:37.640 the
00:31:37.800 manifestation
00:31:38.300 of
00:31:38.740 spiritual
00:31:39.160 victory
00:31:39.580 that
00:31:41.260 when
00:31:41.560 you
00:31:42.000 are
00:31:43.260 able
00:31:43.620 to
00:31:44.040 subvert
00:31:45.420 you're
00:31:45.720 able
00:31:45.940 to
00:31:46.120 rout
00:31:46.360 you're
00:31:46.700 able
00:31:46.880 to
00:31:47.080 overcome
00:31:47.460 with
00:31:47.800 the
00:31:47.920 might
00:31:48.060 of
00:31:48.180 your
00:31:48.340 arm
00:31:48.780 your
00:31:49.540 enemy
00:31:49.820 before
00:31:50.240 you
00:31:50.460 this
00:31:51.140 is
00:31:51.740 rooted
00:31:52.600 in
00:31:53.000 the
00:31:53.220 spiritual
00:31:53.560 plane
00:31:54.120 so
00:31:55.300 goes
00:31:55.480 the
00:31:55.620 maxim
00:31:55.940 as
00:31:56.720 above
00:31:57.000 so
00:31:57.260 below
00:31:57.580 and
00:31:58.480 so
00:31:58.640 he
00:31:58.820 talks
00:31:59.120 about
00:31:59.460 you know
00:31:59.880 he uses
00:32:00.220 the
00:32:00.380 Islamic
00:32:00.740 motifs
00:32:01.200 of
00:32:01.380 the
00:32:01.520 greater
00:32:01.840 and
00:32:02.020 the
00:32:02.120 lesser
00:32:02.300 jihad
00:32:02.800 so
00:32:03.680 the
00:32:04.060 you know
00:32:04.420 Islam
00:32:04.900 defines
00:32:05.480 spiritual
00:32:05.840 warfare
00:32:06.820 in the
00:32:07.180 sense
00:32:07.300 of
00:32:07.420 jihad
00:32:07.800 struggle
00:32:08.300 and
00:32:09.620 so
00:32:09.680 they
00:32:09.840 would
00:32:09.980 talk
00:32:10.260 about
00:32:10.500 it
00:32:10.640 from
00:32:10.820 the
00:32:10.980 standpoint
00:32:11.300 that
00:32:11.700 first
00:32:12.160 you
00:32:12.360 have
00:32:12.560 to
00:32:12.680 war
00:32:12.900 against
00:32:13.140 yourself
00:32:13.560 and
00:32:13.720 your
00:32:13.840 passions
00:32:14.240 as
00:32:14.440 we've
00:32:14.620 been
00:32:14.700 describing
00:32:15.160 you have
00:32:16.060 to
00:32:16.260 acquire
00:32:17.020 the
00:32:17.460 spiritual
00:32:18.020 capital
00:32:18.740 and acumen
00:32:19.460 greater
00:32:20.880 than your
00:32:21.200 enemy
00:32:21.420 and then
00:32:22.400 you
00:32:22.740 bring it
00:32:23.960 down to
00:32:24.300 the
00:32:24.400 material
00:32:24.700 plane
00:32:25.040 and
00:32:25.200 manifest
00:32:25.680 it
00:32:25.880 through
00:32:26.000 your
00:32:26.180 actions
00:32:26.640 so
00:32:29.940 that's
00:32:30.620 kind
00:32:30.760 of
00:32:30.820 the
00:32:30.960 basics
00:32:31.380 of
00:32:31.760 when
00:32:33.140 you're
00:32:33.340 actually
00:32:33.660 engaging
00:32:34.080 in
00:32:34.760 spiritual
00:32:35.080 warfare
00:32:35.440 with
00:32:35.740 another
00:32:36.120 human
00:32:36.400 being
00:32:36.840 when
00:32:37.300 you
00:32:37.720 actually
00:32:38.220 are
00:32:38.480 fighting
00:32:38.900 somebody
00:32:39.400 there
00:32:40.500 are
00:32:41.040 really
00:32:43.560 three
00:32:43.880 things
00:32:44.240 going
00:32:44.460 on
00:32:44.760 that
00:32:44.980 contribute
00:32:45.660 to
00:32:45.960 the
00:32:46.240 outcome
00:32:47.520 one
00:32:48.360 is
00:32:48.700 your
00:32:49.040 disposition
00:32:49.700 this is
00:32:50.160 your
00:32:50.300 spirit
00:32:50.680 if
00:32:51.720 you
00:32:51.900 have
00:32:52.560 more
00:32:52.940 will
00:32:53.140 to
00:32:53.300 fight
00:32:53.560 you
00:32:54.020 have
00:32:54.380 more
00:32:55.300 courage
00:32:55.760 you
00:32:56.400 have
00:32:56.500 more
00:32:56.660 virtue
00:32:57.100 than
00:32:58.320 him
00:32:58.520 likely
00:32:58.960 you
00:32:59.700 will
00:33:00.120 triumph
00:33:00.480 at
00:33:00.700 the
00:33:00.840 very
00:33:01.020 minimum
00:33:01.340 you're
00:33:01.680 willing
00:33:01.940 to
00:33:02.140 lose
00:33:02.740 and
00:33:02.980 suffer
00:33:03.180 more
00:33:03.440 than
00:33:03.600 he
00:33:03.780 is
00:33:03.940 just
00:33:04.080 on
00:33:04.220 a
00:33:04.320 practical
00:33:04.760 level
00:33:05.160 the
00:33:06.320 second
00:33:06.660 would
00:33:06.880 be
00:33:07.100 your
00:33:07.460 physical
00:33:07.760 skills
00:33:08.300 unless
00:33:10.500 God
00:33:14.920 directly
00:33:15.320 intercedes
00:33:15.920 to give
00:33:16.300 you
00:33:16.400 the
00:33:16.540 ability
00:33:16.880 to
00:33:17.100 actually
00:33:17.500 wield
00:33:18.720 arms
00:33:19.160 properly
00:33:19.700 you
00:33:20.220 have to
00:33:20.840 know
00:33:20.980 how
00:33:21.100 to
00:33:21.220 fight
00:33:21.400 people
00:33:21.680 physically
00:33:22.120 for
00:33:22.820 your
00:33:23.100 spiritual
00:33:23.780 readiness
00:33:24.160 to
00:33:24.460 be
00:33:24.820 manifested
00:33:26.420 and
00:33:28.220 the
00:33:28.400 third
00:33:28.540 is
00:33:28.680 circumstance
00:33:29.260 right
00:33:29.980 so
00:33:30.500 I mean
00:33:30.820 the
00:33:31.140 circumstance
00:33:31.780 of the
00:33:32.140 battle
00:33:32.480 you know
00:33:34.500 I mean
00:33:34.680 this
00:33:34.820 goes back
00:33:35.420 to the
00:33:35.860 art
00:33:35.980 war
00:33:36.140 by
00:33:36.280 Sanzu
00:33:36.720 right
00:33:37.020 that
00:33:37.140 the
00:33:37.300 first
00:33:37.600 step
00:33:37.900 to
00:33:38.080 victory
00:33:38.400 is
00:33:38.820 to
00:33:38.960 actually
00:33:39.380 win
00:33:39.760 first
00:33:40.100 and
00:33:40.280 then
00:33:40.400 go
00:33:40.540 to
00:33:40.640 battle
00:33:40.900 so
00:33:41.160 you
00:33:41.340 pick
00:33:41.640 the
00:33:42.040 battlefield
00:33:42.820 of
00:33:43.060 your
00:33:43.160 choosing
00:33:43.520 you
00:33:44.120 get
00:33:44.320 yourself
00:33:44.660 into
00:33:44.880 a
00:33:45.040 disposition
00:33:45.580 that
00:33:46.300 is
00:33:46.420 correct
00:33:46.760 for
00:33:46.920 victory
00:33:47.280 you
00:33:47.760 arm
00:33:48.260 yourself
00:33:48.700 with
00:33:49.040 the
00:33:49.240 skills
00:33:49.540 necessary
00:33:50.040 to
00:33:50.240 subdue
00:33:50.480 your
00:33:50.660 opponent
00:33:51.040 so
00:33:51.920 you
00:33:52.120 spiritually
00:33:53.140 build
00:33:54.880 up
00:33:55.040 the
00:33:55.180 capital
00:33:55.520 the
00:33:55.760 win
00:33:56.020 and
00:33:56.260 then
00:33:56.540 you
00:33:56.720 manifested
00:33:57.280 post
00:33:57.720 facto
00:33:58.120 so
00:34:00.600 Napoleon
00:34:01.220 says
00:34:02.060 I believe
00:34:02.860 that
00:34:03.760 in war
00:34:04.900 that the
00:34:05.500 moral
00:34:06.160 is to
00:34:06.800 the
00:34:06.940 physical
00:34:07.300 as
00:34:07.780 three
00:34:08.020 is to
00:34:08.300 one
00:34:08.560 and
00:34:10.200 the
00:34:10.480 way
00:34:10.660 he's
00:34:10.920 using
00:34:11.160 moral
00:34:11.560 there
00:34:11.940 is
00:34:12.940 as
00:34:13.300 a
00:34:14.620 cognate
00:34:15.080 for
00:34:15.280 morale
00:34:15.840 right
00:34:16.300 so
00:34:16.640 the
00:34:17.080 army
00:34:17.960 that
00:34:18.700 has
00:34:19.000 the
00:34:19.160 most
00:34:19.280 willingness
00:34:19.700 to
00:34:20.020 stay
00:34:20.340 and
00:34:20.980 endure
00:34:21.780 suffering
00:34:22.340 on the
00:34:22.800 battlefield
00:34:23.160 is
00:34:23.680 more
00:34:24.440 likely
00:34:24.820 to
00:34:25.120 carry
00:34:25.340 the
00:34:25.480 day
00:34:25.700 and
00:34:27.280 then
00:34:27.480 I
00:34:28.060 would
00:34:28.200 add
00:34:28.460 to
00:34:28.580 that
00:34:28.860 personally
00:34:29.400 that
00:34:29.800 the
00:34:31.260 spiritual
00:34:32.480 is
00:34:33.000 to
00:34:33.240 the
00:34:33.400 morale
00:34:33.860 as
00:34:34.700 three
00:34:35.040 is
00:34:35.300 to
00:34:35.420 one
00:34:35.660 you
00:34:35.820 don't
00:34:36.220 have
00:34:36.800 a
00:34:36.980 willingness
00:34:37.220 to
00:34:37.500 stay
00:34:37.720 on the
00:34:37.960 battlefield
00:34:38.280 suffering
00:34:38.900 unless
00:34:39.560 you
00:34:39.920 are
00:34:40.820 already
00:34:41.460 spiritually
00:34:43.140 victorious
00:34:45.300 in some
00:34:46.100 sense
00:34:46.480 that
00:34:46.700 you
00:34:47.040 have
00:34:47.680 attained
00:34:49.140 as you
00:34:49.580 say
00:34:49.820 Florian
00:34:50.200 this
00:34:50.780 spiritual
00:34:51.180 capital
00:34:51.700 this
00:34:52.500 willingness
00:34:52.960 this
00:34:53.500 sense
00:34:56.320 of
00:34:56.500 purpose
00:34:56.980 grace
00:34:57.860 even
00:34:59.300 in the
00:35:00.220 spiritual
00:35:00.560 realm
00:35:00.900 that you
00:35:01.120 can
00:35:01.240 manifest
00:35:01.780 as
00:35:04.240 morale
00:35:05.220 or
00:35:05.580 psychology
00:35:06.180 and then
00:35:06.760 that can
00:35:07.980 assist you
00:35:08.860 in the
00:35:09.540 actual
00:35:09.840 physical
00:35:10.160 world
00:35:10.500 and then
00:35:11.200 the other
00:35:11.800 point
00:35:12.220 I would
00:35:12.720 add
00:35:13.200 is that
00:35:13.520 these
00:35:13.680 things
00:35:13.880 are all
00:35:14.160 linked
00:35:14.540 these
00:35:15.120 aren't
00:35:15.640 isolated
00:35:16.380 areas
00:35:17.580 right
00:35:17.920 being
00:35:19.300 physically
00:35:19.820 ready
00:35:20.100 for
00:35:20.300 battle
00:35:20.600 has
00:35:20.820 a
00:35:20.960 direct
00:35:21.380 mental
00:35:22.440 impact
00:35:23.020 and I
00:35:23.400 would
00:35:23.620 necessarily
00:35:24.720 a direct
00:35:25.480 spiritual
00:35:26.020 impact
00:35:26.460 and all
00:35:26.980 of these
00:35:27.760 realms
00:35:29.420 feed back
00:35:30.420 into each
00:35:30.740 other
00:35:31.020 so
00:35:32.300 like
00:35:32.680 you
00:35:34.060 know
00:35:35.440 this idea
00:35:36.120 that you're
00:35:36.560 going to
00:35:36.720 have someone
00:35:37.240 who is
00:35:38.160 extraordinarily
00:35:38.700 physically
00:35:39.240 powerful
00:35:39.740 but
00:35:40.280 with no
00:35:41.340 mental
00:35:41.680 or spiritual
00:35:42.320 abilities
00:35:43.640 I think
00:35:44.260 is
00:35:44.580 not very
00:35:46.620 likely at
00:35:47.080 all
00:35:47.260 it's
00:35:47.680 very much
00:35:48.940 an edge
00:35:49.260 case
00:35:49.640 you know
00:35:51.040 when you
00:35:51.260 mentioned
00:35:51.520 that
00:35:51.800 we're going
00:35:52.520 to talk
00:35:52.760 about
00:35:53.340 Evola
00:35:53.820 on the
00:35:54.460 show
00:35:54.680 I went
00:35:55.240 back
00:35:55.480 and I
00:35:55.660 read those
00:35:56.000 essays
00:35:56.320 again
00:35:56.720 and it
00:35:57.780 reminded me
00:35:58.340 you know
00:35:58.900 how much
00:35:59.360 I hate
00:35:59.900 hate
00:36:00.300 the American
00:36:00.740 military
00:36:01.080 and I
00:36:02.360 had forgotten
00:36:02.860 that Evola
00:36:03.740 would hate
00:36:04.380 them for the
00:36:04.740 same reasons
00:36:05.180 I do
00:36:05.500 you know
00:36:07.360 when you
00:36:07.880 compare the
00:36:08.480 American
00:36:08.880 soldier to
00:36:09.640 Roman
00:36:10.120 for example
00:36:10.980 it's apples
00:36:11.720 and oranges
00:36:12.140 they're barely
00:36:13.600 you know
00:36:14.100 comfortable
00:36:14.380 on any level
00:36:14.940 whatsoever
00:36:15.300 and my
00:36:16.780 personal
00:36:17.160 hatred
00:36:17.420 for them
00:36:17.800 started in
00:36:18.600 the Serbian
00:36:18.960 war
00:36:19.280 in the
00:36:19.620 90s
00:36:20.060 where these
00:36:21.260 guys were
00:36:21.720 being worshipped
00:36:22.300 in public
00:36:22.700 practically
00:36:23.200 they had
00:36:24.200 everything paid
00:36:24.660 for
00:36:24.900 you know
00:36:25.780 they're seen
00:36:26.680 as these
00:36:26.960 heroes
00:36:27.280 even though
00:36:28.120 everyone knows
00:36:28.760 they have
00:36:28.960 nothing to
00:36:29.260 fight for
00:36:29.680 what are the
00:36:30.340 people dying
00:36:30.800 for
00:36:31.080 but it
00:36:32.240 began to
00:36:32.620 occur to me
00:36:33.020 that these
00:36:33.360 guys
00:36:33.700 their
00:36:34.000 swaggering
00:36:34.780 arrogance
00:36:35.240 is really
00:36:36.180 based on
00:36:36.620 cowardice
00:36:37.080 these people
00:36:39.260 most of these
00:36:39.820 guys are not
00:36:40.540 in any danger
00:36:41.020 of dying
00:36:41.420 anytime soon
00:36:42.060 pretty much
00:36:43.380 not fighting
00:36:43.780 enemies
00:36:44.120 who get
00:36:44.340 shoot back
00:36:44.700 very well
00:36:45.160 so much
00:36:46.760 is done
00:36:46.980 from the
00:36:47.300 air
00:36:47.560 and a lot
00:36:48.060 of their
00:36:48.240 work and
00:36:48.680 training
00:36:49.000 is manipulating
00:36:49.660 technology
00:36:50.320 attacking enemies
00:36:52.440 that don't know
00:36:53.020 they're being
00:36:53.300 attacked
00:36:53.680 without any
00:36:55.180 danger to
00:36:55.940 the American
00:36:57.840 in general
00:36:58.240 not to mention
00:36:59.480 the overarching
00:37:00.920 corruption
00:37:01.500 and the
00:37:02.480 appetite
00:37:02.780 of the
00:37:03.000 American
00:37:03.220 military
00:37:03.580 their atrocities
00:37:04.480 abroad
00:37:04.840 and this
00:37:06.060 belief
00:37:06.600 which
00:37:07.180 I still
00:37:08.780 can't
00:37:09.060 comprehend
00:37:09.380 that this
00:37:10.180 is the
00:37:10.360 most powerful
00:37:10.940 overwhelmingly
00:37:11.480 powerful
00:37:11.900 military force
00:37:12.620 in the world
00:37:13.080 they're a
00:37:15.200 paper tiger
00:37:15.720 when you have
00:37:17.080 no esprit de corps
00:37:17.800 no morale
00:37:18.340 when you have
00:37:19.480 no reason
00:37:19.980 to fight
00:37:20.420 when you
00:37:20.840 pretty much
00:37:21.240 know that
00:37:21.660 you're
00:37:21.920 the bad
00:37:23.100 guy
00:37:23.400 in this
00:37:23.960 you go up
00:37:24.840 against a
00:37:25.140 country like
00:37:25.560 Russia or
00:37:26.000 China
00:37:26.280 they're not
00:37:27.640 going to have
00:37:27.880 enough body
00:37:28.300 bags to
00:37:28.860 bring the
00:37:29.620 men home
00:37:30.280 and there's
00:37:30.640 going to be
00:37:31.520 a scream
00:37:32.420 to get out
00:37:32.740 of any kind
00:37:33.140 of war
00:37:33.420 with them
00:37:33.760 these wars
00:37:35.980 since Vietnam
00:37:36.820 have been
00:37:37.300 very small
00:37:37.900 against enemies
00:37:38.520 that barely
00:37:39.540 could function
00:37:40.080 and this
00:37:41.280 is the
00:37:42.040 battles on
00:37:42.800 which they
00:37:43.200 base their
00:37:43.860 swaggering
00:37:44.380 arrogance on
00:37:44.980 and it's
00:37:45.900 going to
00:37:46.080 change if
00:37:46.440 they keep
00:37:46.740 pushing
00:37:47.040 in Russia
00:37:48.520 but the
00:37:49.020 point I'm
00:37:49.260 trying to
00:37:49.440 make here
00:37:49.860 is
00:37:50.140 of all
00:37:50.940 his work
00:37:51.320 that's the
00:37:52.060 difference
00:37:52.260 between the
00:37:52.920 mass
00:37:53.440 you know
00:37:54.080 in this
00:37:54.340 case
00:37:54.560 post-modern
00:37:55.460 army
00:37:55.760 on the one
00:37:56.100 hand
00:37:56.380 and the
00:37:57.320 Roman or
00:37:58.300 medieval
00:37:58.540 soldier
00:37:59.060 on the
00:37:59.320 other
00:37:59.460 there's
00:37:59.980 almost no
00:38:00.540 way to
00:38:00.760 compare
00:38:01.080 Zager
00:38:05.940 would you
00:38:06.220 like to
00:38:06.500 weigh in
00:38:06.880 yeah
00:38:07.540 I mean
00:38:08.160 the point
00:38:09.540 that I was
00:38:09.900 trying to
00:38:10.220 make when
00:38:10.620 my microphone
00:38:11.980 suddenly became
00:38:12.700 possessed by
00:38:13.500 some demon
00:38:14.100 is when
00:38:17.120 you define
00:38:18.200 the spiritual
00:38:18.820 warfare as
00:38:20.020 being a
00:38:21.140 struggle of
00:38:23.080 you could say
00:38:23.820 the spirit
00:38:24.360 against you
00:38:25.280 know the
00:38:25.480 lower urges
00:38:26.240 or the
00:38:26.620 self it
00:38:28.080 becomes very
00:38:28.600 obvious that
00:38:29.320 from a
00:38:29.660 political
00:38:30.000 perspective
00:38:30.580 what we're
00:38:32.620 struggling
00:38:33.020 against like
00:38:33.980 even their
00:38:34.540 explicit
00:38:35.120 political and
00:38:36.520 social ideology
00:38:37.440 is the exact
00:38:38.540 reverse of that
00:38:39.380 like the
00:38:40.320 the left
00:38:40.980 or the
00:38:41.620 communists
00:38:42.580 the Jews
00:38:44.180 like all
00:38:44.960 of the people
00:38:45.520 we struggle
00:38:46.040 against
00:38:46.460 they are
00:38:48.420 pushing for
00:38:49.700 a victory
00:38:50.660 of the
00:38:51.260 vices
00:38:51.700 and the
00:38:52.840 you know
00:38:53.620 the lower
00:38:54.480 passions
00:38:55.060 over
00:38:55.740 rationality
00:38:56.800 and over
00:38:57.520 discipline
00:38:59.000 self-control
00:38:59.820 and a higher
00:39:00.680 spiritual
00:39:02.160 you know
00:39:03.340 reason
00:39:03.920 to live
00:39:05.120 so they
00:39:07.180 have set
00:39:07.720 themselves
00:39:08.080 up as
00:39:09.420 essentially
00:39:10.300 demons
00:39:11.340 because
00:39:12.580 their
00:39:13.340 entire
00:39:14.060 struggle
00:39:16.960 is the
00:39:18.160 same as
00:39:18.620 you know
00:39:19.140 a demon
00:39:19.980 was trying
00:39:20.540 to
00:39:21.000 make
00:39:22.580 someone
00:39:22.860 go
00:39:23.300 you know
00:39:24.380 bad
00:39:24.740 basically
00:39:26.320 to
00:39:26.860 allure
00:39:27.440 people
00:39:27.820 to
00:39:28.320 concede
00:39:31.000 to their
00:39:31.440 concupiscence
00:39:32.280 if you'd
00:39:32.920 like
00:39:33.140 so they
00:39:33.940 are
00:39:34.180 all about
00:39:35.160 temptation
00:39:35.780 so I think
00:39:36.980 that's
00:39:37.220 very interesting
00:39:38.180 and this is
00:39:39.560 probably the
00:39:40.000 reason why
00:39:40.660 we're saying
00:39:41.220 that we're
00:39:42.340 fighting against
00:39:43.220 a demonic
00:39:43.840 enemy
00:39:44.300 because in
00:39:45.400 all their
00:39:46.700 behavior
00:39:47.160 and all
00:39:47.720 their attitude
00:39:48.220 and in all
00:39:48.960 their stated
00:39:49.500 ideology
00:39:50.080 they're
00:39:50.900 exactly
00:39:51.500 like a
00:39:52.600 demon
00:39:52.780 would be
00:39:53.220 that's
00:39:56.620 precise
00:39:57.020 precisely
00:39:57.600 and this
00:39:58.720 is
00:39:58.840 something
00:39:59.360 that I
00:39:59.840 think
00:40:00.240 is
00:40:00.380 critical
00:40:00.820 that we've
00:40:01.900 talked about
00:40:02.320 on the
00:40:02.520 show before
00:40:03.480 and I've
00:40:04.100 said many
00:40:04.460 times
00:40:04.900 is that
00:40:05.900 when we
00:40:06.320 use the
00:40:06.640 word
00:40:06.960 satanic
00:40:07.800 or demonic
00:40:09.120 we're not
00:40:10.260 being hyperbolic
00:40:11.100 we're being
00:40:11.640 very precise
00:40:12.580 very technical
00:40:13.800 okay
00:40:14.600 the
00:40:15.340 satanic
00:40:16.960 or the
00:40:17.360 demonic
00:40:17.780 is an
00:40:19.040 inversion
00:40:19.600 of
00:40:20.480 reason
00:40:21.000 of order
00:40:21.840 of
00:40:22.240 logos
00:40:22.860 that's
00:40:24.260 who these
00:40:24.760 people are
00:40:25.440 okay
00:40:26.100 they desire
00:40:26.860 a
00:40:27.340 destruction
00:40:28.240 of
00:40:28.560 everything
00:40:29.060 that is
00:40:29.960 natural
00:40:30.560 that is
00:40:31.620 good
00:40:31.920 that is
00:40:32.260 true
00:40:32.460 that is
00:40:32.740 beautiful
00:40:33.180 and so
00:40:34.840 what
00:40:36.340 Jesus Christ
00:40:37.300 said of
00:40:37.960 the Pharisees
00:40:38.720 is that
00:40:39.140 you are
00:40:39.680 the sons
00:40:40.140 of Satan
00:40:40.640 because you
00:40:41.780 do his
00:40:42.200 work
00:40:42.600 and indeed
00:40:44.700 could you
00:40:45.300 point to
00:40:45.940 any
00:40:46.360 more prescient
00:40:47.940 example
00:40:49.120 more gestalt
00:40:50.140 example of
00:40:50.780 this
00:40:51.020 than our
00:40:51.640 enemies on
00:40:52.040 the left
00:40:52.380 they are
00:40:53.700 satanic
00:40:54.320 because they
00:40:55.560 do his
00:40:55.960 work
00:40:56.360 and that's
00:40:58.400 why
00:40:59.040 I've
00:40:59.920 maintained
00:41:00.480 and I've
00:41:00.920 said before
00:41:01.500 that this
00:41:02.860 struggle is
00:41:03.780 not against
00:41:04.560 flesh and
00:41:05.140 blood
00:41:05.440 but against
00:41:06.300 principalities
00:41:07.100 and powers
00:41:07.720 against evil
00:41:08.440 and high
00:41:08.840 places
00:41:09.320 that the
00:41:10.560 the
00:41:11.200 the reason
00:41:12.280 why we've
00:41:12.720 been successful
00:41:13.260 so far
00:41:14.040 especially
00:41:14.480 you can see
00:41:15.080 this in
00:41:15.340 phenomenon
00:41:15.680 like me
00:41:16.280 magic or
00:41:16.880 whatever
00:41:17.140 that they
00:41:17.560 like to
00:41:17.840 talk about
00:41:18.180 well this is
00:41:18.600 spiritual warfare
00:41:19.280 right
00:41:20.460 this is
00:41:22.720 because
00:41:23.140 they're
00:41:23.560 they're
00:41:23.880 weak and
00:41:24.240 decrepit
00:41:24.740 and you
00:41:25.480 know
00:41:25.560 on the
00:41:26.560 far right
00:41:27.040 you know
00:41:27.280 we at least
00:41:27.720 have a core
00:41:28.320 a nucleus
00:41:29.000 of goodness
00:41:29.860 of morality
00:41:31.420 of strength
00:41:32.540 of will
00:41:33.140 and so
00:41:35.540 it's easy
00:41:36.080 it's easy
00:41:37.200 to get
00:41:37.660 results
00:41:38.140 far beyond
00:41:38.940 the effort
00:41:39.400 that we
00:41:39.680 expend
00:41:40.080 yes
00:41:44.440 I agree
00:41:45.180 and
00:41:46.680 and that's
00:41:47.340 why
00:41:47.700 I don't
00:41:48.260 think any
00:41:48.600 of us
00:41:48.880 are ever
00:41:49.300 surprised
00:41:49.980 when you
00:41:50.500 see something
00:41:51.020 like
00:41:51.480 public
00:41:53.260 like actual
00:41:54.900 satanic
00:41:55.840 rituals
00:41:56.360 begin to
00:41:58.180 take place
00:41:58.840 as has
00:42:00.140 happened here
00:42:00.620 in the past
00:42:00.960 couple of
00:42:01.300 years
00:42:01.560 it's just
00:42:02.380 like oh
00:42:02.840 well they're
00:42:03.460 finally taking
00:42:03.940 the mask
00:42:04.300 off
00:42:04.600 that's
00:42:05.280 of course
00:42:07.080 well they have
00:42:09.340 no reason
00:42:09.920 to view it
00:42:10.940 as something
00:42:11.500 negative
00:42:11.920 from their
00:42:12.340 perspective
00:42:12.820 so it's
00:42:14.220 not even
00:42:14.640 that they
00:42:15.040 would even
00:42:15.540 believe
00:42:16.120 in these
00:42:16.960 things
00:42:17.420 necessarily
00:42:18.160 but that
00:42:18.760 they see
00:42:19.200 it as
00:42:19.520 so innocuous
00:42:20.360 because they
00:42:20.960 can't
00:42:21.220 understand
00:42:21.640 why
00:42:21.940 you know
00:42:23.080 there would
00:42:24.000 be something
00:42:24.300 wrong with
00:42:24.680 that
00:42:24.860 like
00:42:25.220 you don't
00:42:26.140 like demons
00:42:26.700 what are
00:42:27.380 you
00:42:27.640 a Nazi
00:42:29.140 are you
00:42:29.500 still living
00:42:29.880 in the
00:42:30.140 50s
00:42:30.520 or something
00:42:30.920 that's
00:42:31.880 basically
00:42:32.200 their
00:42:32.420 attitude
00:42:32.820 one of
00:42:38.620 the
00:42:38.720 propositions
00:42:39.180 I based
00:42:39.540 my entire
00:42:39.960 career on
00:42:40.500 is the
00:42:40.740 idea that
00:42:41.200 new world
00:42:41.640 order
00:42:41.920 or globalization
00:42:42.640 is a
00:42:43.940 political
00:42:44.180 and economic
00:42:44.800 manifestation
00:42:45.500 of antichrist
00:42:46.060 it's really
00:42:48.240 how that
00:42:49.220 force has
00:42:49.660 shown itself
00:42:50.040 in the
00:42:50.260 world
00:42:50.520 the US
00:42:51.720 is right
00:42:52.120 now the
00:42:52.400 head of
00:42:52.560 the snake
00:42:52.940 and its
00:42:55.180 primary target
00:42:55.780 is Russia
00:42:56.440 and the
00:42:57.680 battle lines
00:42:58.220 couldn't be
00:42:58.600 clearer right
00:42:59.060 now
00:42:59.220 wherever the
00:42:59.600 US
00:42:59.840 goes
00:43:00.320 it imposes
00:43:01.480 a liberal
00:43:02.280 regime
00:43:02.720 right wing
00:43:03.900 parties
00:43:04.180 are usually
00:43:04.500 banned
00:43:04.860 I mean
00:43:05.060 our kind
00:43:05.360 of right wing
00:43:05.680 parties
00:43:05.920 are usually
00:43:06.240 banned
00:43:06.580 and they
00:43:08.020 impose
00:43:08.400 abortion
00:43:08.840 and faggotry
00:43:09.760 and everything
00:43:10.040 else
00:43:10.400 and the
00:43:10.880 NGOs
00:43:11.240 which are just
00:43:11.840 spokespersons
00:43:13.160 for corporate
00:43:14.380 capital
00:43:14.820 go in and start
00:43:15.920 organizing these
00:43:16.680 institutions
00:43:17.340 the one
00:43:18.800 the one good
00:43:19.000 thing about
00:43:19.320 the American
00:43:19.700 military
00:43:20.080 I will
00:43:20.500 say
00:43:20.800 is that
00:43:21.280 the
00:43:21.400 desertion
00:43:21.840 rates
00:43:22.180 are so
00:43:23.020 high
00:43:23.400 that
00:43:24.520 they
00:43:24.860 haven't
00:43:25.140 seen
00:43:25.340 this
00:43:25.560 since
00:43:25.760 the
00:43:25.900 civil
00:43:26.080 war
00:43:26.380 the
00:43:27.400 US
00:43:27.580 army
00:43:27.920 estimates
00:43:28.760 about
00:43:28.980 30,000
00:43:29.740 cases
00:43:30.920 now that's
00:43:31.480 this is
00:43:31.700 the people
00:43:32.000 who they
00:43:32.260 have
00:43:32.440 cases
00:43:32.760 against
00:43:33.120 have
00:43:34.020 deserted
00:43:34.300 since
00:43:34.500 1996
00:43:35.060 and this
00:43:35.560 was in
00:43:35.820 2008
00:43:36.480 so if
00:43:38.260 you want
00:43:38.420 to
00:43:38.540 extrapolate
00:43:39.660 that
00:43:39.960 it's
00:43:40.280 close to
00:43:40.560 100,000
00:43:41.100 people
00:43:41.460 who they're
00:43:42.440 going after
00:43:42.900 for this
00:43:43.280 so not
00:43:44.380 all the
00:43:44.600 American
00:43:44.820 military
00:43:45.220 soldiers
00:43:46.120 and sailors
00:43:46.940 are bad
00:43:47.340 so some
00:43:48.940 of them
00:43:49.080 have the
00:43:49.380 guts
00:43:49.620 and to be
00:43:50.000 honest
00:43:50.300 the kind
00:43:51.120 of aesthetic
00:43:51.480 spiritual
00:43:51.860 warfare
00:43:52.120 we're
00:43:52.300 talking
00:43:52.580 about
00:43:52.900 is far
00:43:54.000 more
00:43:54.200 manifest
00:43:54.660 in
00:43:55.380 deserting
00:43:55.840 their post
00:43:56.960 right now
00:43:57.500 fighting for
00:43:58.020 the new
00:43:58.200 world order
00:43:58.600 than it is
00:43:59.340 in pushing
00:43:59.840 buttons
00:44:00.180 and blowing
00:44:00.520 up cities
00:44:01.000 like once
00:44:06.320 the
00:44:06.620 once the
00:44:07.780 paychecks
00:44:08.380 stop
00:44:09.120 flowing
00:44:09.680 you can
00:44:10.700 be sure
00:44:11.120 that
00:44:11.520 the
00:44:13.000 desertion
00:44:13.580 rate
00:44:13.800 is going
00:44:14.160 to go
00:44:14.700 through
00:44:15.020 the roof
00:44:15.480 like if
00:44:16.100 there's any
00:44:16.460 kind of
00:44:16.880 economic
00:44:17.360 problem
00:44:17.920 that makes
00:44:18.500 it difficult
00:44:19.040 for the
00:44:19.720 you know
00:44:21.040 the gives
00:44:21.440 me that
00:44:21.820 system
00:44:22.300 the US
00:44:23.580 military
00:44:23.960 will collapse
00:44:24.660 whereas if
00:44:25.520 you know
00:44:25.900 Russian military
00:44:26.700 has economic
00:44:27.840 problems
00:44:28.760 I mean
00:44:29.380 the soldiers
00:44:30.480 will
00:44:30.860 obviously
00:44:31.340 complain
00:44:31.800 and their
00:44:32.100 morale
00:44:32.340 will drop
00:44:32.920 but I
00:44:33.340 don't think
00:44:33.720 that they're
00:44:34.020 going to
00:44:34.540 you know
00:44:35.960 defect
00:44:36.540 to the
00:44:37.540 American side
00:44:38.120 just because
00:44:38.640 their
00:44:38.940 paychecks
00:44:39.700 are lowered
00:44:40.120 or something
00:44:40.600 when I
00:44:42.340 discovered
00:44:43.160 the amount
00:44:43.840 of money
00:44:44.180 that Air Force
00:44:45.000 officers for
00:44:45.520 example are
00:44:46.020 making
00:44:46.280 I was
00:44:47.920 absolutely
00:44:48.220 shocked
00:44:48.720 and you
00:44:49.420 know
00:44:49.540 you retire
00:44:50.540 after 30
00:44:51.040 years
00:44:51.300 lieutenant colonel
00:44:51.880 in the US
00:44:52.520 Air Force
00:44:53.000 you're making
00:44:54.120 close to
00:44:54.400 $200,000
00:44:55.060 and you
00:44:56.480 have 7%
00:44:57.060 of that
00:44:57.440 70%
00:44:58.440 of that a
00:44:58.720 year for
00:44:59.020 the rest
00:44:59.240 of your
00:44:59.400 line
00:44:59.620 and there
00:45:00.600 are no
00:45:00.740 income
00:45:01.000 limits
00:45:01.320 so some
00:45:02.180 of these
00:45:02.360 guys go
00:45:02.800 as consultants
00:45:03.280 for Blackwater
00:45:03.960 or something
00:45:04.300 like that
00:45:05.020 they're still
00:45:05.880 getting
00:45:06.140 drawing that
00:45:06.640 pension
00:45:06.940 and the
00:45:08.120 fact of the
00:45:08.480 matter is
00:45:08.920 the US
00:45:09.380 Air Force
00:45:09.840 is still
00:45:10.480 700 pilots
00:45:11.940 short
00:45:12.220 they're
00:45:14.860 screaming
00:45:15.340 screaming for
00:45:15.580 men
00:45:15.780 even with
00:45:16.620 that
00:45:16.780 paycheck
00:45:17.180 no chance
00:45:17.980 of dying
00:45:18.300 all that
00:45:18.640 they're
00:45:18.820 still not
00:45:19.260 joining
00:45:19.800 and they're
00:45:20.040 deserting
00:45:20.320 in huge
00:45:20.700 numbers
00:45:20.980 so this
00:45:22.620 is a
00:45:22.840 positive
00:45:23.160 spin on
00:45:23.920 things
00:45:24.200 and what
00:45:26.200 I mean
00:45:26.460 is that
00:45:26.800 when you
00:45:27.100 desert your
00:45:27.540 post
00:45:27.760 especially
00:45:28.020 at that
00:45:28.300 level
00:45:28.600 your life
00:45:30.240 is probably
00:45:30.540 over
00:45:30.820 and this
00:45:32.100 is a
00:45:32.340 struggle
00:45:32.580 this is
00:45:32.980 the real
00:45:33.260 freedom
00:45:33.640 autonomy
00:45:34.420 against the
00:45:35.600 passions
00:45:36.020 it would be
00:45:37.280 so easy
00:45:37.800 just to
00:45:38.200 collect the
00:45:38.880 paycheck
00:45:39.160 and do
00:45:39.420 what you're
00:45:39.600 supposed to
00:45:39.940 do
00:45:40.060 and be
00:45:40.260 the
00:45:40.400 automaton
00:45:40.900 that
00:45:41.540 militaries
00:45:42.140 want you
00:45:42.700 to be
00:45:42.940 this is
00:45:43.780 not the
00:45:44.200 warrior
00:45:44.400 ethos
00:45:44.800 whatsoever
00:45:45.360 the
00:45:46.220 deserter
00:45:46.600 comes
00:45:47.140 closer to
00:45:47.580 that
00:45:47.740 at least
00:45:48.020 in the
00:45:48.240 American
00:45:48.480 case
00:45:48.880 fighting
00:45:49.380 for the
00:45:49.600 new
00:45:49.700 world
00:45:49.840 order
00:45:50.080 well
00:45:53.960 yeah
00:45:54.180 and I
00:45:55.160 mean
00:45:55.360 the
00:45:55.660 military
00:45:57.180 industrial
00:45:57.720 complex
00:45:58.600 that
00:45:59.700 the
00:46:00.440 left
00:46:00.760 you know
00:46:01.660 to their
00:46:02.320 credit
00:46:02.600 does talk
00:46:03.300 about
00:46:03.660 is a
00:46:04.720 real
00:46:04.840 thing
00:46:05.200 and you
00:46:05.740 see
00:46:06.220 this
00:46:07.860 revolving
00:46:08.380 door
00:46:08.700 between
00:46:09.000 high
00:46:09.280 level
00:46:09.500 military
00:46:09.900 officers
00:46:10.380 and
00:46:10.800 big
00:46:11.380 defense
00:46:12.160 contractors
00:46:12.900 to the
00:46:17.560 point
00:46:17.780 where
00:46:18.060 we
00:46:18.300 can't
00:46:18.680 even
00:46:18.960 make
00:46:19.420 functional
00:46:20.180 technological
00:46:22.000 weapons
00:46:23.260 anymore
00:46:23.800 like
00:46:24.240 that
00:46:24.640 used
00:46:24.880 to be
00:46:25.160 the
00:46:25.340 one
00:46:25.580 thing
00:46:25.820 that
00:46:26.040 the
00:46:26.340 United
00:46:26.560 States
00:46:26.860 was
00:46:27.000 actually
00:46:27.300 good
00:46:27.980 at
00:46:28.340 but
00:46:28.520 we
00:46:28.640 can't
00:46:28.840 even
00:46:28.960 do
00:46:29.080 that
00:46:29.260 anymore
00:46:29.580 which
00:46:32.820 you
00:46:33.120 know
00:46:33.760 the
00:46:34.560 real
00:46:35.220 red
00:46:35.480 pill
00:46:35.700 on
00:46:35.840 that
00:46:35.980 is
00:46:36.160 that
00:46:36.380 oh
00:46:36.660 that's
00:46:36.860 a
00:46:36.940 good
00:46:37.080 thing
00:46:37.340 of
00:46:38.700 course
00:46:39.000 hopefully
00:46:40.900 we
00:46:41.100 get
00:46:41.240 worse
00:46:41.480 at
00:46:41.660 it
00:46:42.420 yeah
00:46:45.200 yeah
00:46:45.980 no
00:46:46.320 I
00:46:46.780 think
00:46:48.120 that's
00:46:49.880 pretty
00:46:50.180 pretty
00:46:50.520 good
00:46:50.860 anybody
00:46:51.480 who
00:46:51.720 wants
00:46:52.020 any
00:46:52.180 further
00:46:52.500 resources
00:46:52.940 on
00:46:53.220 this
00:46:53.500 I mean
00:46:54.020 this
00:46:55.140 is
00:46:55.520 metaphysics
00:46:56.780 of war
00:46:57.060 is really
00:46:57.400 a great
00:46:57.660 place
00:46:57.860 to start
00:46:58.140 it's
00:46:58.300 like
00:46:58.420 250
00:46:58.880 pages
00:46:59.380 it's
00:47:00.240 not
00:47:00.420 expensive
00:47:00.820 if
00:47:01.480 you
00:47:01.580 go
00:47:01.760 to
00:47:01.920 the
00:47:02.260 iron
00:47:02.900 march
00:47:03.180 antimony
00:47:03.700 group
00:47:04.060 you
00:47:05.120 can
00:47:05.300 find
00:47:05.780 a
00:47:06.220 PDF
00:47:06.500 of it
00:47:06.840 there
00:47:07.120 I
00:47:07.240 believe
00:47:07.560 so
00:47:08.240 you
00:47:08.360 know
00:47:08.480 bug
00:47:08.760 Alexander
00:47:09.180 Slavros
00:47:09.720 or
00:47:10.100 somebody
00:47:10.900 else
00:47:11.200 who
00:47:11.400 is
00:47:11.720 over
00:47:12.440 there
00:47:12.640 and
00:47:12.800 he
00:47:12.900 can
00:47:13.020 probably
00:47:13.220 find
00:47:13.460 you
00:47:13.540 a
00:47:13.660 link
00:47:13.860 although
00:47:14.920 he
00:47:15.120 will
00:47:15.240 probably
00:47:15.540 be
00:47:15.780 pissed
00:47:16.000 that
00:47:16.180 you
00:47:16.280 didn't
00:47:16.460 find
00:47:16.640 it
00:47:16.720 yourself
00:47:17.020 so
00:47:17.500 now
00:47:19.060 this
00:47:20.640 is
00:47:21.900 the
00:47:22.160 physical
00:47:22.620 manifestation
00:47:23.300 of
00:47:23.500 spiritual
00:47:23.840 warfare
00:47:24.300 but
00:47:25.740 I
00:47:26.180 think
00:47:26.380 one
00:47:26.740 of
00:47:26.860 the
00:47:27.000 things
00:47:27.200 that
00:47:27.360 we've
00:47:27.540 talked
00:47:27.760 about
00:47:30.820 the
00:47:32.380 material
00:47:32.880 is
00:47:33.360 less
00:47:33.840 real
00:47:34.280 than
00:47:34.660 the
00:47:34.860 spiritual
00:47:35.200 because
00:47:36.300 the
00:47:36.500 material
00:47:36.880 is
00:47:37.540 in
00:47:38.060 time
00:47:38.600 it's
00:47:39.720 constantly
00:47:40.160 changing
00:47:40.720 there's
00:47:41.300 no
00:47:41.560 stability
00:47:42.280 whereas
00:47:43.420 the
00:47:43.660 spiritual
00:47:44.000 is
00:47:44.420 eternal
00:47:44.860 it's
00:47:45.840 outside
00:47:46.180 of
00:47:46.380 this
00:47:46.540 flux
00:47:47.100 it
00:47:48.020 is
00:47:48.440 anchored
00:47:49.040 in
00:47:49.260 a
00:47:49.400 metaphysical
00:47:49.920 reality
00:47:50.500 that
00:47:51.080 is
00:47:51.240 subject
00:47:51.500 to
00:47:51.720 law
00:47:52.020 and
00:47:52.160 order
00:47:52.500 but
00:47:53.260 is
00:47:53.460 not
00:47:53.820 necessarily
00:47:54.380 subject
00:47:54.900 to
00:47:55.120 change
00:47:55.660 and
00:47:56.980 so
00:47:57.240 when
00:47:57.480 we
00:47:57.640 talk
00:47:57.980 about
00:47:58.240 spiritual
00:47:58.920 warfare
00:47:59.360 against
00:48:00.040 not
00:48:02.020 in
00:48:02.140 the
00:48:02.280 physical
00:48:02.580 realm
00:48:02.880 but
00:48:03.060 in
00:48:03.180 the
00:48:03.300 spiritual
00:48:03.600 realm
00:48:03.960 we're
00:48:04.560 not
00:48:04.780 talking
00:48:05.220 about
00:48:05.440 something
00:48:05.720 that's
00:48:06.100 fluffy
00:48:08.700 and less
00:48:09.460 real
00:48:09.840 and difficult
00:48:10.300 to grasp
00:48:10.960 because
00:48:11.460 it's
00:48:11.900 made up
00:48:12.220 by a bunch
00:48:12.600 of hippie
00:48:12.940 faggots
00:48:13.320 no
00:48:13.600 we're
00:48:13.920 talking
00:48:14.280 about
00:48:14.500 something
00:48:14.720 that's
00:48:14.940 more
00:48:15.180 important
00:48:15.680 that's
00:48:16.460 more
00:48:16.660 real
00:48:17.020 if
00:48:18.060 you're
00:48:18.200 a
00:48:18.340 coward
00:48:18.680 you can't
00:48:19.340 even
00:48:19.500 pick up
00:48:19.840 a
00:48:19.960 rifle
00:48:20.260 it's
00:48:22.060 simple
00:48:22.480 if
00:48:23.600 you're
00:48:24.400 a
00:48:25.060 pussy
00:48:25.420 you're
00:48:25.860 not
00:48:26.040 going
00:48:26.160 to
00:48:26.200 be
00:48:26.300 able
00:48:26.400 to
00:48:26.540 endure
00:48:26.840 pain
00:48:27.480 you're
00:48:28.840 not
00:48:28.980 going
00:48:29.100 to
00:48:29.700 march
00:48:30.280 for a
00:48:31.460 month
00:48:31.760 just
00:48:32.340 to
00:48:32.480 fight
00:48:32.640 somebody
00:48:32.940 for a
00:48:33.240 day
00:48:33.420 it's
00:48:34.640 not
00:48:34.800 going
00:48:34.920 to
00:48:34.980 happen
00:48:35.240 and
00:48:36.400 so
00:48:36.540 this
00:48:36.720 is
00:48:37.240 just
00:48:37.760 critical
00:48:38.120 that
00:48:38.260 people
00:48:38.440 understand
00:48:38.900 this
00:48:39.140 because
00:48:39.360 we've
00:48:39.600 been
00:48:39.760 led
00:48:41.880 to see
00:48:42.440 the
00:48:42.760 spiritual
00:48:43.140 as
00:48:43.540 something
00:48:43.800 fundamentally
00:48:44.300 less
00:48:44.660 real
00:48:45.040 yeah
00:48:48.340 yeah
00:48:48.360 that's
00:48:48.680 the
00:48:49.040 opposition
00:48:49.660 of the
00:48:50.240 traditional
00:48:51.020 worldview
00:48:51.500 to the
00:48:51.860 modern
00:48:52.120 worldview
00:48:52.540 this is
00:48:53.360 where all
00:48:54.020 of these
00:48:54.660 problems
00:48:55.120 come from
00:48:55.660 the
00:48:56.520 perception
00:48:57.000 that the
00:48:57.780 material
00:48:58.580 is more
00:48:59.040 real
00:48:59.320 than the
00:49:00.320 spiritual
00:49:01.060 yeah
00:49:03.460 precisely
00:49:03.900 precisely
00:49:05.340 and I
00:49:06.100 mean
00:49:06.220 this is
00:49:06.600 part of
00:49:07.260 the
00:49:07.500 great
00:49:08.600 game
00:49:08.980 this is
00:49:09.800 part of
00:49:10.140 the
00:49:10.460 satanic
00:49:11.180 dialectic
00:49:11.860 if they
00:49:14.500 can convince
00:49:14.920 people of
00:49:15.340 this
00:49:15.500 that the
00:49:15.980 spiritual
00:49:16.260 doesn't
00:49:16.540 really
00:49:16.700 matter
00:49:17.020 of course
00:49:17.580 I mean
00:49:17.960 they win
00:49:18.360 people
00:49:19.140 don't
00:49:19.660 even
00:49:19.880 I'm
00:49:21.020 certain
00:49:21.380 that
00:49:22.820 probably
00:49:23.220 a quarter
00:49:24.240 of our
00:49:24.780 listeners
00:49:25.160 do not
00:49:26.620 believe
00:49:27.160 that demons
00:49:27.740 exist
00:49:28.220 even on
00:49:29.160 the far
00:49:29.480 right
00:49:29.700 and then
00:49:31.080 what we're
00:49:31.440 saying
00:49:31.920 right now
00:49:32.560 seems to
00:49:33.480 them
00:49:33.600 foolishness
00:49:34.180 I'd ask
00:49:34.780 them to
00:49:35.020 continue
00:49:35.300 listening
00:49:35.720 and see
00:49:36.220 if you
00:49:37.040 can't
00:49:37.340 have
00:49:37.480 your
00:49:37.620 mind
00:49:38.000 changed
00:49:38.760 or at
00:49:39.240 least
00:49:39.340 consider
00:49:39.660 a
00:49:39.800 different
00:49:39.960 argument
00:49:40.280 but
00:49:40.680 that's
00:49:41.080 the
00:49:41.220 level
00:49:41.400 where
00:49:41.600 the
00:49:41.780 people
00:49:41.980 don't
00:49:42.220 even
00:49:42.500 acknowledge
00:49:43.180 this
00:49:43.440 entire
00:49:43.840 realm
00:49:44.340 of
00:49:44.980 warfare
00:49:45.420 that
00:49:45.620 we're
00:49:45.760 going
00:49:45.960 to
00:49:46.060 go
00:49:46.180 into
00:49:46.320 they
00:49:46.460 don't
00:49:46.620 think
00:49:46.800 it's
00:49:46.940 real
00:49:47.180 maybe
00:49:50.000 not
00:49:50.360 for
00:49:50.560 today
00:49:50.840 but
00:49:51.080 for
00:49:51.380 a
00:49:51.560 future
00:49:51.860 episode
00:49:52.320 it
00:49:52.820 would
00:49:53.000 be
00:49:53.180 interesting
00:49:53.660 to
00:49:54.380 talk
00:49:54.680 about
00:49:55.020 the
00:49:55.380 evidence
00:49:56.240 for
00:49:56.900 these
00:49:57.260 spiritual
00:49:57.780 things
00:49:58.440 because
00:49:59.140 I can
00:49:59.860 understand
00:50:00.200 I was
00:50:00.740 not
00:50:00.960 convinced
00:50:01.400 of
00:50:01.660 any
00:50:02.060 of
00:50:02.440 these
00:50:02.620 things
00:50:02.980 before
00:50:03.400 I
00:50:04.060 started
00:50:04.480 studying
00:50:05.060 empirical
00:50:06.100 evidence
00:50:06.660 and
00:50:07.020 I mean
00:50:07.220 of
00:50:07.420 course
00:50:07.720 if
00:50:09.140 you
00:50:09.300 have
00:50:09.500 these
00:50:09.700 spiritual
00:50:10.020 worldview
00:50:11.760 you don't
00:50:12.740 view
00:50:13.060 science
00:50:13.620 as being
00:50:14.240 like
00:50:14.520 an
00:50:15.300 overriding
00:50:16.100 of having
00:50:17.780 overriding
00:50:18.580 validity
00:50:18.980 over
00:50:19.580 spiritual
00:50:20.860 issues
00:50:21.460 but
00:50:21.900 I mean
00:50:23.180 to get
00:50:23.640 to that
00:50:23.980 point
00:50:24.360 evidence
00:50:24.900 is always
00:50:25.660 a good
00:50:26.560 thing
00:50:26.920 and I
00:50:27.660 think
00:50:27.820 it would
00:50:28.020 help
00:50:28.220 a lot
00:50:28.480 of
00:50:28.600 people
00:50:28.900 if we
00:50:29.460 talked
00:50:29.840 about
00:50:30.060 those
00:50:30.280 things
00:50:30.660 very
00:50:31.600 briefly
00:50:31.960 I
00:50:32.160 think
00:50:32.340 the
00:50:32.500 ultimate
00:50:32.720 empirical
00:50:33.100 evidence
00:50:33.500 for
00:50:33.660 me
00:50:33.920 was
00:50:34.780 videotaped
00:50:36.140 demonic
00:50:36.600 possession
00:50:36.900 case
00:50:37.220 because
00:50:38.440 when a
00:50:39.260 three-year-old
00:50:39.980 begins speaking
00:50:40.980 perfect
00:50:41.500 Coptic
00:50:42.020 generally
00:50:43.180 speaking
00:50:43.680 you know
00:50:44.320 it's not
00:50:44.520 coming from
00:50:44.840 her
00:50:45.040 and usually
00:50:47.380 the church
00:50:48.260 has these
00:50:48.900 very distinct
00:50:49.940 marks
00:50:50.420 that distinguish
00:50:51.640 possession
00:50:52.120 from hysteria
00:50:52.880 or mental
00:50:53.120 illness
00:50:53.500 and speaking
00:50:54.760 flawless
00:50:55.460 languages
00:50:56.340 like
00:50:56.700 especially
00:50:57.100 dead ones
00:50:57.680 is a
00:50:58.400 pretty good
00:50:58.680 indication
00:50:59.180 so the
00:51:02.220 empirical
00:51:02.460 evidence
00:51:02.840 I don't
00:51:03.180 know
00:51:03.300 what
00:51:03.480 these
00:51:03.620 guys
00:51:03.820 would
00:51:03.960 do
00:51:04.080 with
00:51:04.220 this
00:51:04.460 you know
00:51:05.440 it
00:51:05.860 happens
00:51:06.180 we have
00:51:06.440 video
00:51:06.660 of it
00:51:06.940 you know
00:51:07.760 they have
00:51:08.180 to be
00:51:08.340 dishonest
00:51:08.840 and somebody
00:51:09.420 just dismiss
00:51:09.880 it
00:51:10.080 well
00:51:11.060 like
00:51:11.580 the
00:51:11.780 interesting
00:51:12.240 thing
00:51:12.800 is
00:51:13.440 when you
00:51:14.460 look
00:51:14.880 at
00:51:15.280 the
00:51:15.600 debates
00:51:16.280 between
00:51:17.220 you know
00:51:17.780 materialist
00:51:18.460 atheists
00:51:19.160 and
00:51:20.060 the people
00:51:20.580 who are
00:51:20.920 researching
00:51:21.580 on a
00:51:22.340 scientific
00:51:22.640 level
00:51:23.080 these
00:51:23.760 spiritual
00:51:24.300 issues
00:51:25.080 and
00:51:26.020 one of
00:51:26.680 the things
00:51:26.920 that convinced
00:51:27.360 me the
00:51:27.660 most
00:51:27.980 is to
00:51:28.720 see how
00:51:29.100 dishonest
00:51:30.040 and
00:51:30.880 irrational
00:51:31.620 the
00:51:32.300 atheists
00:51:32.900 and the
00:51:33.580 materialists
00:51:34.820 were
00:51:35.060 they would
00:51:35.920 distort
00:51:36.380 things
00:51:37.000 they would
00:51:37.420 set up
00:51:37.800 standards
00:51:38.280 that could
00:51:38.960 never be
00:51:39.340 met
00:51:39.620 and then
00:51:40.000 when they
00:51:41.000 actually would
00:51:41.840 be met
00:51:42.280 they would
00:51:42.980 change the
00:51:43.620 standards
00:51:44.000 and say
00:51:44.300 well yeah
00:51:44.820 you did it
00:51:45.820 but you know
00:51:46.520 it has to be
00:51:47.420 even harder
00:51:47.840 than that
00:51:48.320 so like
00:51:49.160 this extreme
00:51:50.000 dishonesty
00:51:50.660 and irrationality
00:51:51.820 on the
00:51:52.440 part of the
00:51:53.320 atheists
00:51:54.240 is I think
00:51:56.080 very convincing
00:51:57.880 for people
00:51:58.580 who are
00:51:59.320 you know
00:51:59.680 honest
00:52:00.240 and
00:52:00.820 open
00:52:01.840 minded
00:52:02.160 yeah
00:52:05.860 for me
00:52:06.960 my journey
00:52:08.420 started
00:52:08.900 essentially
00:52:09.500 with
00:52:09.780 mathematics
00:52:10.260 and logic
00:52:10.880 I was
00:52:11.420 I was a
00:52:11.920 convinced
00:52:12.180 materialist
00:52:12.860 I was
00:52:13.260 at best
00:52:16.300 an agnostic
00:52:17.020 and that
00:52:18.160 probably only
00:52:18.800 for reasons
00:52:19.380 of well
00:52:20.460 you know
00:52:21.460 everyone else
00:52:23.020 believes in
00:52:23.480 God
00:52:23.820 you know
00:52:24.380 like all my
00:52:25.320 ancestors did
00:52:26.120 so it
00:52:26.460 doesn't
00:52:26.760 you know
00:52:27.560 at this
00:52:28.200 level
00:52:28.540 you know
00:52:29.900 a pinch
00:52:31.800 of incense
00:52:32.380 doesn't really
00:52:32.900 hurt me
00:52:33.260 so it
00:52:33.480 doesn't
00:52:33.660 matter
00:52:33.900 but
00:52:35.260 as I
00:52:37.080 was
00:52:37.340 investigating
00:52:38.140 philosophy
00:52:39.900 and logic
00:52:40.680 and mathematics
00:52:41.440 and how
00:52:42.580 these things
00:52:43.060 tie together
00:52:43.780 and I
00:52:45.960 don't
00:52:47.180 it's
00:52:48.140 somewhat
00:52:48.900 difficult
00:52:49.260 to condense
00:52:50.280 a lifetime
00:52:51.720 of investigation
00:52:52.580 in a
00:52:54.060 conversational
00:52:54.700 manner
00:52:55.060 but
00:52:55.380 the
00:52:57.120 summary
00:52:57.840 version
00:52:58.280 is
00:52:58.640 essentially
00:52:59.040 there's
00:52:59.280 no
00:52:59.480 argument
00:52:59.960 against
00:53:00.480 the
00:53:00.940 spiritual
00:53:01.320 realm
00:53:01.740 against
00:53:02.080 God
00:53:02.660 that
00:53:04.220 isn't
00:53:04.580 also
00:53:04.840 an
00:53:05.020 argument
00:53:05.300 against
00:53:05.600 mathematics
00:53:06.240 I mean
00:53:06.820 a
00:53:08.720 prime
00:53:09.820 mover
00:53:10.820 a
00:53:11.660 first
00:53:12.120 cause
00:53:12.740 is
00:53:13.000 logically
00:53:13.600 entailed
00:53:14.240 in
00:53:14.980 in the
00:53:17.560 existence
00:53:17.840 of anything
00:53:18.460 and
00:53:20.020 so
00:53:20.420 methodological
00:53:26.360 materialist
00:53:27.880 either
00:53:28.780 wants
00:53:29.660 to
00:53:29.900 disbelieve
00:53:30.680 or
00:53:30.980 is
00:53:31.260 simply
00:53:31.560 ignorant
00:53:31.900 those
00:53:32.260 are
00:53:32.360 the
00:53:32.440 only
00:53:32.560 two
00:53:32.740 options
00:53:33.040 to
00:53:33.220 me
00:53:33.420 yeah
00:53:35.480 well
00:53:35.740 I mean
00:53:36.020 as
00:53:36.240 Dugin
00:53:36.540 would
00:53:36.700 say
00:53:36.980 you know
00:53:37.380 they're
00:53:37.700 either
00:53:37.940 stupid
00:53:38.560 or evil
00:53:39.680 or both
00:53:40.680 you know
00:53:42.240 so
00:53:43.280 but
00:53:44.740 yeah
00:53:45.540 no
00:53:45.720 and I
00:53:45.880 think
00:53:46.020 that's
00:53:46.500 a good
00:53:47.420 preamble
00:53:47.820 on the
00:53:48.080 philosophical
00:53:48.540 nature
00:53:48.920 so
00:53:50.560 I think
00:53:53.420 I was
00:53:54.760 going to
00:53:54.960 discuss
00:53:55.220 basic
00:53:55.660 demonology
00:53:56.200 and talking
00:53:56.680 about
00:53:57.100 who these
00:53:58.020 spirits are
00:53:58.500 that were
00:53:58.720 fighting
00:53:59.000 these
00:53:59.240 demons
00:53:59.580 but I
00:54:01.080 think
00:54:01.220 that it
00:54:01.460 actually
00:54:01.780 might be
00:54:02.120 more useful
00:54:02.660 to discuss
00:54:03.440 the anatomy
00:54:04.300 of the
00:54:04.780 soul
00:54:05.160 just
00:54:06.180 very
00:54:06.580 basic
00:54:07.260 personal
00:54:08.420 metaphysics
00:54:09.180 that people
00:54:10.200 understand
00:54:10.840 that
00:54:11.340 you know
00:54:11.880 how do
00:54:12.820 we fight
00:54:13.260 okay
00:54:14.240 you know
00:54:14.920 I mean
00:54:15.100 because we
00:54:15.380 know that
00:54:15.640 when we
00:54:15.860 fight in
00:54:16.100 the physical
00:54:16.440 realm
00:54:16.820 we use
00:54:19.040 weapons
00:54:19.420 we have
00:54:19.840 arms
00:54:20.320 we use
00:54:20.940 technology
00:54:21.520 there are
00:54:22.540 organs
00:54:23.080 right
00:54:23.580 that we
00:54:23.940 use to
00:54:24.260 interact
00:54:24.660 with the
00:54:24.940 world
00:54:25.240 but
00:54:26.300 there's
00:54:26.680 this is
00:54:27.100 as of
00:54:27.400 so alone
00:54:28.100 pretty good
00:54:28.740 maxim to
00:54:29.260 recall
00:54:29.640 hermetic
00:54:30.180 as it
00:54:30.520 is
00:54:30.860 there's a
00:54:32.160 corollary
00:54:32.580 in the
00:54:32.840 spiritual
00:54:33.100 realm
00:54:33.440 rather the
00:54:34.420 physical
00:54:34.700 is the
00:54:35.000 corollary
00:54:35.420 of the
00:54:35.800 spiritual
00:54:36.080 and so
00:54:37.080 you know
00:54:39.380 I have
00:54:41.040 basic
00:54:41.360 metaphysical
00:54:41.780 knowledge
00:54:42.120 but I
00:54:42.380 think
00:54:42.520 Dr.
00:54:42.880 Johnson
00:54:43.040 probably
00:54:43.280 has a
00:54:43.600 much
00:54:43.800 better
00:54:44.140 understanding
00:54:45.140 of this
00:54:45.440 so Dr.
00:54:45.840 Johnson
00:54:46.040 would you
00:54:46.280 care to
00:54:46.520 give us
00:54:46.920 the
00:54:47.900 basic
00:54:48.280 anatomy
00:54:49.100 of the
00:54:49.360 soul
00:54:49.580 from a
00:54:50.160 platonic
00:54:50.540 viewpoint
00:54:50.920 or an
00:54:51.260 orthodox
00:54:51.560 viewpoint
00:54:51.860 yes
00:54:53.360 no problem
00:54:54.100 at all
00:54:54.340 there's really
00:54:54.660 two points
00:54:55.160 of view
00:54:55.460 the overwhelming
00:54:57.100 majority of the church
00:54:57.920 fathers believe that the soul has three parts
00:55:00.320 now this is something that's gotten people in trouble in the past
00:55:03.520 including myself
00:55:04.300 donald damaskus for example
00:55:07.520 believe that the soul
00:55:09.340 Justin Martyr is another one
00:55:10.780 believe that the soul is created
00:55:12.460 that ultimately
00:55:13.860 it's
00:55:14.680 you know
00:55:16.520 and it will die
00:55:17.820 unless god
00:55:19.800 specifically
00:55:20.440 keeps it going
00:55:21.580 there is
00:55:23.980 the
00:55:24.280 you know
00:55:24.520 the soul is made
00:55:25.500 with the human body
00:55:26.540 as one object
00:55:27.560 they're only
00:55:28.940 distinguishable
00:55:29.660 analytically speaking
00:55:30.980 mind and body
00:55:34.240 in
00:55:34.860 Spinoza's sense
00:55:36.180 is something that
00:55:37.800 everyone's born with
00:55:38.600 at least the potential
00:55:40.200 of becoming a free man
00:55:41.180 the mind
00:55:42.060 being able to
00:55:42.860 to
00:55:43.200 do battle
00:55:45.440 with the flesh
00:55:46.160 and by the flesh
00:55:46.960 we mean
00:55:47.500 that
00:55:48.180 appetitive part
00:55:49.040 of the soul
00:55:49.460 the soul
00:55:50.760 that desires
00:55:51.460 immediate
00:55:52.140 gratification
00:55:52.960 now
00:55:54.200 that has nothing to do
00:55:55.840 with Christianity
00:55:56.320 though
00:55:56.560 the third part
00:55:58.340 is what
00:55:59.060 the fathers call
00:55:59.820 noose
00:56:00.200 noose is not
00:56:01.400 reason
00:56:01.780 at least not in the sense
00:56:02.500 we normally use
00:56:03.100 the term as logic
00:56:03.900 it's something that's
00:56:05.660 above that
00:56:06.160 that's what keeps
00:56:07.620 the soul immoral
00:56:08.300 this is a spirit
00:56:09.760 that only comes
00:56:10.460 from baptism
00:56:11.000 and now
00:56:13.260 it entails us
00:56:14.080 to think that
00:56:14.700 only orthodox people
00:56:16.140 are actually free
00:56:17.260 which I
00:56:18.960 actually have a tendency
00:56:19.780 to believe
00:56:20.260 although there may be
00:56:21.520 a few exceptions
00:56:22.180 like Plato
00:56:22.680 but
00:56:22.940 that if the soul
00:56:25.340 is a creation
00:56:26.140 and in and of itself
00:56:27.200 would die
00:56:27.700 without God's
00:56:28.560 direct intervention
00:56:29.320 then really
00:56:31.500 only orthodox people
00:56:32.400 have the capacity
00:56:33.460 because they
00:56:34.400 have the third element
00:56:35.500 added to them
00:56:36.120 and that is
00:56:36.760 the spiritual side
00:56:37.500 the noose
00:56:38.220 we have
00:56:40.220 vistas of existence
00:56:41.100 open to us
00:56:42.040 and by us
00:56:43.120 I mean actual ascetics
00:56:44.220 they can simply
00:56:45.980 see more
00:56:46.540 than we can
00:56:47.620 because we are so
00:56:49.320 laden down
00:56:50.340 with the flesh
00:56:50.840 and worried about
00:56:52.400 money and bills
00:56:53.060 and all this stuff
00:56:53.740 we've learned
00:56:54.960 that you know
00:56:55.480 our vision
00:56:56.560 is just tunnel vision
00:56:57.300 at this point
00:56:57.800 and I've made this point
00:56:59.920 I know you've mentioned
00:57:00.520 it a long time ago
00:57:01.240 you know
00:57:02.380 when my kids were little
00:57:03.120 they saw a thing
00:57:04.380 they were innocent
00:57:05.440 they weren't laden down
00:57:06.360 with this stuff
00:57:06.900 or in church
00:57:08.120 they would make reference
00:57:09.140 to things
00:57:09.620 they heard
00:57:10.120 they saw things
00:57:10.740 that they couldn't
00:57:11.660 have made up
00:57:12.140 but
00:57:13.580 the soul
00:57:14.720 the
00:57:16.940 reason
00:57:18.540 and flesh
00:57:19.680 these are both
00:57:20.460 created things
00:57:21.160 this is
00:57:22.720 nothing special
00:57:23.420 the rational part
00:57:25.900 of the human soul
00:57:26.560 in the patristic sense
00:57:27.720 is not identical
00:57:28.640 to what Plato
00:57:29.320 would say
00:57:29.700 in the patristic sense
00:57:32.220 everyone has this
00:57:33.700 whether they're baptized
00:57:34.320 or not
00:57:34.820 and really what it
00:57:36.060 comes down to
00:57:36.680 is that this is how
00:57:37.800 our passions
00:57:38.480 are rationalized
00:57:39.300 it's not the same
00:57:40.720 thing as noose
00:57:41.360 which is
00:57:42.220 that could dominate
00:57:42.900 the passions
00:57:43.340 and keep them
00:57:44.360 in their place
00:57:44.880 so that's one big
00:57:47.200 difference between
00:57:47.560 the patristic idea
00:57:48.200 and the platonic idea
00:57:49.100 although I think
00:57:50.960 Plato did have
00:57:51.540 a special insight
00:57:52.240 that very few
00:57:52.920 others had
00:57:53.660 the Romanian church
00:57:55.300 sees him as
00:57:55.860 almost a prophet
00:57:56.740 and I have a tendency
00:57:58.420 to do that too
00:57:59.120 but he's an exception
00:58:00.960 all Orthodox people
00:58:02.480 upon the baptism
00:58:03.480 receive the spirit
00:58:04.840 which is the third
00:58:06.960 part of the soul
00:58:07.660 that provides
00:58:09.420 the possibility
00:58:10.020 through asceticism
00:58:10.920 of actually living
00:58:12.060 an autonomous life
00:58:13.400 in a way that
00:58:15.100 Kant defines autonomy
00:58:16.260 in the critique
00:58:17.100 of practical reason
00:58:17.720 so ultimately
00:58:20.760 you have three parts
00:58:21.620 the first part
00:58:23.380 is of course
00:58:23.900 the passions
00:58:24.380 the appetite
00:58:25.240 the second part
00:58:26.620 is reason
00:58:27.380 in the vulgar sense
00:58:28.660 you know logic
00:58:29.220 and the third part
00:58:30.800 is added
00:58:31.140 and it's sacramental
00:58:32.020 and that's the spirit
00:58:33.060 that lasts forever
00:58:35.520 that's eternal
00:58:36.080 and it's the ultimate
00:58:38.620 part of the human person
00:58:39.840 on the other hand
00:58:40.720 Plato
00:58:41.020 has three parts
00:58:42.300 as well
00:58:42.760 the first part
00:58:45.360 is the passions
00:58:45.820 that's the same
00:58:46.520 the second part
00:58:47.740 is always a matter
00:58:48.320 of debate
00:58:48.780 it's really more
00:58:49.800 like
00:58:50.120 you know
00:58:52.740 the day-to-day virtues
00:58:54.020 you have to have
00:58:54.740 you know
00:58:56.160 spirit so to speak
00:58:57.620 in a sense of being
00:58:58.240 spirited
00:58:58.640 enthusiastic
00:58:59.120 and the third
00:59:00.480 is reason
00:59:01.280 the ability
00:59:02.460 to see forms
00:59:03.240 to see logos
00:59:04.600 in created things
00:59:05.780 which
00:59:06.560 you know
00:59:07.060 in his mind
00:59:07.760 very very few people get
00:59:08.940 so it doesn't take
00:59:10.660 a genius to realize
00:59:11.520 that you know
00:59:11.980 reading Plato
00:59:12.480 it's not
00:59:13.760 that far
00:59:14.600 to become orthodox
00:59:15.820 afterwards
00:59:16.200 but with those
00:59:17.600 modifications
00:59:18.360 not every church
00:59:20.560 father
00:59:20.920 believes that
00:59:21.600 there are some
00:59:22.000 who only believe
00:59:22.440 there are two parts
00:59:23.180 of the soul
00:59:23.540 like Saint Ambrose
00:59:24.200 but generally speaking
00:59:25.520 body and soul
00:59:27.240 by themselves
00:59:28.060 these are mortal
00:59:29.040 this is just
00:59:30.460 a martyr's view
00:59:31.000 only when the third
00:59:32.740 part
00:59:33.060 spirit is added
00:59:33.760 through baptism
00:59:34.360 then the soul
00:59:35.540 is permanently
00:59:36.160 immortal
00:59:36.540 and can actually
00:59:39.860 be judged
00:59:40.360 because you actually
00:59:41.740 have free will
00:59:42.660 and you could
00:59:43.480 follow the rules
00:59:44.680 of the church
00:59:45.000 freely
00:59:45.300 now when I say
00:59:47.020 a soul dies
00:59:47.780 I don't mean
00:59:48.320 it goes out of existence
00:59:49.020 I mean it goes to
00:59:50.720 what Gregory of Nyssa
00:59:51.560 would call Hades
00:59:52.300 sheol
00:59:53.060 the place of death
00:59:54.960 the Catholic word
00:59:56.520 limbo means
00:59:57.200 on the edge of
00:59:57.960 in Latin
00:59:58.740 on the edge of hell
00:59:59.680 it's not pleasant
01:00:00.620 it's not unpleasant
01:00:01.240 it's just kind of
01:00:02.420 a
01:00:03.040 semi-conscious existence
01:00:05.300 because these people
01:00:07.340 really weren't free
01:00:08.020 and can't judge
01:00:09.140 one way or the other
01:00:09.680 so
01:00:11.160 in other words
01:00:12.360 for John of Damascus
01:00:13.600 only Orthodox people
01:00:15.000 can go to heaven
01:00:15.620 or hell
01:00:16.060 because only they
01:00:17.560 have the spirit
01:00:18.120 added to them
01:00:18.580 with baptism
01:00:19.060 that permits them
01:00:20.060 through asceticism
01:00:20.840 to make free choices
01:00:22.040 in an autonomous sense
01:00:23.320 right
01:00:27.440 and so
01:00:28.380 the
01:00:30.280 I think that's a pretty
01:00:34.200 good understanding
01:00:35.080 so
01:00:35.600 the
01:00:36.020 the way it's described
01:00:37.520 in the Orthodox Church
01:00:38.860 is very different
01:00:39.560 from the way it's understood
01:00:40.440 in the Catholic Church
01:00:41.360 the Catholic
01:00:42.440 you know
01:00:44.700 Thomistic
01:00:45.320 Aristotelian
01:00:46.780 metaphysics
01:00:47.360 would say
01:00:47.800 that the soul
01:00:48.340 is composed of
01:00:49.160 the two organs
01:00:49.820 of the mind
01:00:50.300 and the will
01:00:50.700 and that's it
01:00:51.320 okay
01:00:52.660 and that
01:00:53.540 you know
01:00:53.780 the
01:00:53.960 the way they look at grace
01:00:55.760 and I mean
01:00:56.060 it's not really useful
01:00:56.800 we're not going to use that
01:00:57.660 in the subject
01:00:57.980 but I think that was good
01:00:58.860 to give people
01:00:59.560 an understanding
01:01:00.380 of what we're doing
01:01:01.120 so when we're dealing
01:01:02.780 with
01:01:03.300 demons
01:01:04.880 I suppose
01:01:06.360 it would be best
01:01:07.500 to understand
01:01:08.020 you know
01:01:08.380 what is
01:01:09.120 a demonic entity
01:01:10.220 so I guess
01:01:11.820 what we can do
01:01:12.920 is just
01:01:13.260 recount the story
01:01:14.780 of the fall
01:01:15.360 and then we can
01:01:16.560 open it up
01:01:17.000 to a little
01:01:17.320 discussion of demons
01:01:18.300 in terms of
01:01:19.260 their nature
01:01:19.740 and then
01:01:20.560 we can
01:01:21.280 talk about
01:01:22.780 how they influence us
01:01:24.200 actually
01:01:25.140 if I could just
01:01:27.040 interject
01:01:27.700 I do kind of
01:01:30.060 have
01:01:30.420 a
01:01:31.020 catholic
01:01:33.520 version
01:01:34.740 of that
01:01:35.780 anatomy
01:01:37.360 of the soul
01:01:37.920 so
01:01:39.020 from
01:01:40.080 my admittedly
01:01:42.580 incomplete
01:01:43.340 understanding
01:01:43.980 but
01:01:44.240 all of my reading
01:01:45.880 has led me
01:01:46.440 to this
01:01:47.860 synthesis
01:01:48.540 that
01:01:49.820 you're right
01:01:52.000 the Thomistic
01:01:52.980 conception
01:01:53.480 of the soul
01:01:54.280 is that you
01:01:55.880 have the
01:01:56.700 animal soul
01:01:57.580 and the
01:01:59.120 purely human soul
01:02:00.440 which we would
01:02:01.120 equate with
01:02:01.740 human reason
01:02:02.700 right
01:02:03.020 so
01:02:03.400 what
01:02:04.740 our Cartesian
01:02:06.700 would call
01:02:07.140 mind
01:02:07.720 right
01:02:08.180 is
01:02:08.600 directly
01:02:09.980 equivalent
01:02:10.640 with
01:02:11.180 the human
01:02:11.900 soul
01:02:12.280 and then
01:02:13.440 the animal
01:02:13.840 soul
01:02:14.220 is the
01:02:14.680 sort of
01:02:15.060 is the
01:02:15.460 base
01:02:15.940 passions
01:02:16.780 right
01:02:18.000 the
01:02:18.320 instincts
01:02:19.120 the autonomous
01:02:19.720 system
01:02:20.320 and
01:02:22.020 these two
01:02:23.980 pieces
01:02:24.680 of the soul
01:02:25.680 are
01:02:26.460 in a
01:02:27.880 what could
01:02:30.200 be called
01:02:30.520 the form
01:02:31.300 of the body
01:02:32.940 right
01:02:33.400 so
01:02:34.260 your body
01:02:36.740 is the matter
01:02:37.440 and your soul
01:02:38.140 is the form
01:02:38.920 and that together
01:02:39.960 these comprise
01:02:41.020 you know
01:02:41.520 a whole person
01:02:42.200 but
01:02:43.340 there's
01:02:44.600 there's
01:02:45.900 something else
01:02:46.620 and there's
01:02:47.920 that something
01:02:48.420 else is
01:02:49.020 spirit
01:02:49.640 sometimes
01:02:51.560 confusingly
01:02:54.080 called
01:02:54.420 grace
01:02:54.960 and
01:03:00.020 and
01:03:00.340 and
01:03:00.560 so
01:03:01.020 it can be
01:03:02.460 a little bit
01:03:02.820 confusing
01:03:03.240 because
01:03:03.620 the terminology
01:03:04.500 is subject
01:03:05.740 to change
01:03:06.520 and
01:03:07.100 they don't
01:03:07.780 always explain
01:03:08.460 themselves
01:03:08.840 very well
01:03:09.300 but
01:03:10.820 this
01:03:12.000 third
01:03:12.380 thing
01:03:12.780 the spirit
01:03:13.500 which is
01:03:14.260 received
01:03:14.600 at baptism
01:03:15.180 I believe
01:03:16.820 would be
01:03:17.160 directly
01:03:17.500 equivalent
01:03:17.900 with what
01:03:18.480 Dr.
01:03:18.820 Johnson
01:03:19.120 is
01:03:19.500 referring
01:03:20.160 to
01:03:20.380 as
01:03:20.600 noose
01:03:21.480 exactly
01:03:23.320 right
01:03:23.760 so far
01:03:26.860 so far
01:03:27.280 I'm not
01:03:27.440 hearing
01:03:27.580 a difference
01:03:28.060 right
01:03:29.000 it's
01:03:29.460 slight
01:03:29.960 differences
01:03:30.380 in
01:03:30.660 vocabulary
01:03:31.240 essentially
01:03:31.920 but
01:03:33.220 that's
01:03:33.440 a good
01:03:34.200 point
01:03:34.520 and
01:03:34.820 I'm
01:03:35.060 sorry
01:03:35.240 about
01:03:35.440 that
01:03:35.720 let me
01:03:36.420 let me
01:03:36.620 quickly
01:03:36.820 summarize
01:03:37.220 because
01:03:38.020 you're
01:03:38.340 right
01:03:38.560 when I
01:03:39.840 say the
01:03:40.120 passionate
01:03:40.380 part of
01:03:40.700 the soul
01:03:41.040 I mean
01:03:41.460 what you
01:03:41.740 mentioned
01:03:42.060 as the
01:03:42.500 animal
01:03:42.800 or the
01:03:43.340 generative
01:03:43.900 we want
01:03:45.780 food
01:03:46.100 clothing
01:03:46.380 shelter
01:03:47.460 that kind
01:03:47.840 of thing
01:03:48.120 the base
01:03:49.020 immediate
01:03:49.460 desire
01:03:49.860 but
01:03:51.900 the
01:03:52.220 rational
01:03:52.920 part
01:03:53.300 the
01:03:53.940 problem
01:03:54.180 with
01:03:54.320 rational
01:03:54.680 is
01:03:55.060 that
01:03:55.240 there
01:03:55.380 are
01:03:55.460 many
01:03:55.600 definitions
01:03:56.060 of
01:03:56.280 it
01:03:56.440 the
01:03:58.120 second
01:03:58.400 part
01:03:58.780 isn't
01:03:59.240 rational
01:03:59.700 in
01:04:00.000 the
01:04:00.320 sense
01:04:00.540 of
01:04:00.680 noose
01:04:00.980 it's
01:04:01.940 just
01:04:02.140 logical
01:04:02.600 it
01:04:03.500 what it
01:04:04.200 really
01:04:04.360 comes
01:04:04.840 down
01:04:05.080 to
01:04:05.300 is
01:04:05.560 that
01:04:05.800 it
01:04:06.040 you
01:04:06.620 know
01:04:06.700 we
01:04:06.900 do
01:04:07.060 things
01:04:07.540 and
01:04:07.900 we
01:04:08.020 can
01:04:08.140 rationalize
01:04:08.640 it
01:04:08.940 or
01:04:09.420 another
01:04:09.620 way
01:04:09.760 of
01:04:09.860 putting
01:04:10.020 it
01:04:10.200 is
01:04:10.400 that
01:04:10.680 it
01:04:11.720 works
01:04:12.560 for
01:04:12.780 the
01:04:12.900 passionate
01:04:13.200 part
01:04:13.600 of
01:04:13.680 the
01:04:13.760 soul
01:04:14.020 in
01:04:14.620 that
01:04:14.800 it
01:04:14.900 figures
01:04:18.120 you
01:04:19.800 know
01:04:19.940 but
01:04:20.340 there
01:04:20.460 has
01:04:20.680 to
01:04:20.780 be
01:04:20.900 a
01:04:21.020 third
01:04:21.180 thing
01:04:21.380 because
01:04:21.540 there's
01:04:21.700 no
01:04:21.840 salvation
01:04:22.280 with
01:04:22.480 those
01:04:22.660 two
01:04:22.840 parts
01:04:23.140 so
01:04:25.500 the
01:04:26.060 real
01:04:26.340 issue
01:04:26.860 we
01:04:27.020 have
01:04:27.200 with
01:04:27.540 terms
01:04:27.880 is
01:04:28.020 the
01:04:28.120 word
01:04:28.240 reason
01:04:28.520 so
01:04:29.700 I
01:04:30.100 use
01:04:30.300 the
01:04:30.400 word
01:04:30.520 reason
01:04:30.780 to
01:04:30.940 refer
01:04:31.200 to
01:04:31.360 just
01:04:31.540 logic
01:04:31.940 I
01:04:33.080 use
01:04:33.300 the
01:04:33.400 word
01:04:33.540 noose
01:04:33.880 only
01:04:34.360 to
01:04:34.640 differentiate
01:04:35.600 it
01:04:35.840 from
01:04:35.960 reason
01:04:36.200 just
01:04:36.440 as
01:04:36.560 you
01:04:36.680 did
01:04:36.900 which
01:04:37.460 makes
01:04:37.660 a lot
01:04:37.820 of
01:04:37.940 sense
01:04:38.180 this
01:04:38.760 comes
01:04:39.420 from
01:04:39.740 and
01:04:39.920 you
01:04:40.040 said
01:04:40.200 grace
01:04:40.560 which
01:04:41.260 is
01:04:41.520 identical
01:04:41.920 with
01:04:42.200 the
01:04:48.120 I
01:04:48.580 don't
01:04:48.700 know
01:04:48.820 if
01:04:48.940 you
01:04:49.040 wanted
01:04:49.320 me
01:04:49.560 to
01:04:49.780 give
01:04:50.120 a
01:04:50.360 non
01:04:52.660 Christian
01:04:53.140 perspective
01:04:53.740 on
01:04:54.140 the
01:04:54.380 anatomy
01:04:55.160 on
01:04:55.400 the
01:04:55.520 soul
01:04:55.760 sure
01:04:56.780 give us
01:04:57.140 your
01:04:57.260 metaphysical
01:04:57.720 answer
01:04:58.060 all right
01:04:59.500 well
01:05:00.000 at the
01:05:02.680 beginning
01:05:03.040 of course
01:05:03.680 there is
01:05:04.820 unity
01:05:05.500 and the
01:05:06.260 creation
01:05:06.680 of the
01:05:07.000 universe
01:05:07.300 is
01:05:08.000 the
01:05:08.500 division
01:05:08.880 of
01:05:09.060 unity
01:05:09.360 into
01:05:09.680 duality
01:05:10.340 the
01:05:11.440 one
01:05:11.720 becomes
01:05:12.100 two
01:05:12.400 and
01:05:13.320 so
01:05:13.660 when
01:05:14.920 one
01:05:15.340 becomes
01:05:15.680 two
01:05:15.980 you
01:05:16.280 have
01:05:16.560 an
01:05:16.780 infinite
01:05:17.160 amount
01:05:17.700 of
01:05:18.060 information
01:05:19.140 that's
01:05:19.600 created
01:05:19.980 or
01:05:21.240 patterns
01:05:22.040 of
01:05:22.560 reality
01:05:22.980 and
01:05:24.380 those
01:05:25.160 are
01:05:25.320 kind
01:05:25.520 of
01:05:25.640 not
01:05:26.040 sorted
01:05:26.600 in
01:05:26.900 any
01:05:27.180 way
01:05:27.480 it's
01:05:27.940 like
01:05:28.260 just
01:05:28.600 infinite
01:05:29.020 amounts
01:05:29.340 of
01:05:29.440 information
01:05:29.920 but
01:05:30.200 anything
01:05:30.560 that
01:05:30.960 could
01:05:31.280 exist
01:05:31.740 is
01:05:32.460 going
01:05:32.680 to
01:05:32.860 exist
01:05:33.260 in
01:05:33.480 that
01:05:33.620 context
01:05:34.280 but
01:05:34.820 there's
01:05:35.020 no
01:05:35.220 space
01:05:35.720 or
01:05:35.920 time
01:05:36.260 at
01:05:36.540 that
01:05:36.720 point
01:05:37.120 and
01:05:38.420 you
01:05:39.940 could
01:05:40.100 say
01:05:40.260 at
01:05:40.360 this
01:05:40.520 point
01:05:40.740 that
01:05:40.960 the
01:05:41.160 spirit
01:05:41.720 world
01:05:42.160 is
01:05:42.720 a
01:05:42.880 way
01:05:43.100 of
01:05:43.360 organizing
01:05:44.020 all
01:05:44.480 of
01:05:44.620 this
01:05:44.780 information
01:05:45.380 and
01:05:45.820 it's
01:05:46.040 a
01:05:46.320 way
01:05:46.660 of
01:05:46.780 organizing
01:05:47.200 it
01:05:47.460 by
01:05:47.780 association
01:05:48.580 similar
01:05:49.120 things
01:05:49.660 will
01:05:50.940 attract
01:05:51.420 each
01:05:51.660 other
01:05:51.960 and
01:05:52.340 so
01:05:53.000 consciousness
01:05:54.160 can
01:05:54.960 emerge
01:05:55.500 from
01:05:55.700 that
01:05:56.060 and
01:05:56.580 that
01:05:56.820 would
01:05:56.980 be
01:05:57.180 like
01:05:57.360 the
01:05:57.520 first
01:05:57.820 part
01:05:58.120 of
01:05:58.300 the
01:05:58.560 soul
01:05:59.260 so to
01:05:59.560 speak
01:05:59.840 the
01:06:00.700 conscious
01:06:03.260 organization
01:06:05.100 of
01:06:05.700 things
01:06:06.520 by
01:06:06.720 similarity
01:06:07.300 and
01:06:07.660 so
01:06:07.880 when
01:06:08.360 things
01:06:08.660 are
01:06:08.800 more
01:06:09.080 similar
01:06:09.440 to
01:06:09.640 each
01:06:09.800 other
01:06:10.020 they're
01:06:10.520 going
01:06:10.680 to
01:06:10.840 create
01:06:11.060 a
01:06:11.440 network
01:06:12.280 of
01:06:13.300 relationships
01:06:14.340 and
01:06:15.820 that
01:06:16.080 will
01:06:16.540 become
01:06:17.000 something
01:06:18.240 similar
01:06:18.680 to
01:06:18.940 an
01:06:19.320 individuality
01:06:20.300 and
01:06:22.740 from
01:06:23.060 that
01:06:23.360 but
01:06:23.600 at
01:06:23.840 this
01:06:24.040 point
01:06:24.260 there
01:06:24.460 is
01:06:24.620 still
01:06:24.840 no
01:06:25.060 space
01:06:25.480 or
01:06:25.640 time
01:06:26.060 and
01:06:27.100 that's
01:06:27.340 the
01:06:27.500 spirit
01:06:27.720 world
01:06:28.040 but
01:06:28.300 if
01:06:28.460 you
01:06:28.560 want
01:06:28.700 to
01:06:28.820 create
01:06:29.020 the
01:06:29.180 material
01:06:29.540 world
01:06:29.980 it's
01:06:30.560 a
01:06:30.720 different
01:06:30.980 way
01:06:31.220 of
01:06:31.360 organizing
01:06:31.800 things
01:06:32.380 kind
01:06:33.380 of
01:06:33.500 in
01:06:33.640 a
01:06:34.000 sequential
01:06:34.580 matter
01:06:35.080 rather
01:06:35.800 than
01:06:36.080 in
01:06:36.200 a
01:06:36.480 matter
01:06:36.940 of
01:06:37.100 similarity
01:06:37.540 so
01:06:38.100 it
01:06:39.220 starts
01:06:39.660 with
01:06:39.840 dimensions
01:06:40.320 one
01:06:40.960 dimension
01:06:41.380 is
01:06:41.600 going
01:06:41.720 to
01:06:41.760 be
01:06:41.900 time
01:06:42.340 then
01:06:42.640 you
01:06:42.740 put
01:06:42.880 things
01:06:43.120 in
01:06:43.260 sequence
01:06:43.760 another
01:06:44.520 is
01:06:44.740 going
01:06:44.900 to
01:06:44.980 be
01:06:45.120 like
01:06:45.340 one
01:06:45.800 dimension
01:06:46.380 of
01:06:46.560 space
01:06:46.900 the
01:06:47.140 second
01:06:47.380 dimension
01:06:47.740 of
01:06:47.940 space
01:06:48.280 so
01:06:48.920 it's
01:06:49.060 still
01:06:49.300 all
01:06:49.600 of
01:06:49.740 this
01:06:56.060 it's
01:06:56.180 still
01:06:56.360 the
01:06:56.580 same
01:06:56.900 information
01:06:57.560 fundamentally
01:06:58.520 so
01:06:58.820 the
01:06:59.100 spirit
01:07:00.820 and
01:07:01.100 the
01:07:01.220 matter
01:07:01.520 is
01:07:02.000 the
01:07:02.200 same
01:07:02.560 stuff
01:07:03.960 like
01:07:04.280 the
01:07:04.460 same
01:07:04.740 information
01:07:05.260 patterns
01:07:05.720 but
01:07:05.940 sorted
01:07:06.260 differently
01:07:06.640 so
01:07:06.940 they're
01:07:07.480 both
01:07:07.820 interrelated
01:07:08.620 in a
01:07:09.000 way
01:07:09.140 that's
01:07:09.580 impossible
01:07:10.200 to
01:07:10.440 break
01:07:10.720 but
01:07:11.620 in
01:07:11.800 another
01:07:12.060 way
01:07:12.280 they
01:07:12.440 behave
01:07:13.200 completely
01:07:13.620 differently
01:07:14.020 and
01:07:14.440 they
01:07:14.680 like
01:07:17.020 it's
01:07:17.420 impossible
01:07:18.100 to
01:07:18.460 understand
01:07:19.100 one
01:07:19.540 with
01:07:19.720 the
01:07:19.860 same
01:07:20.120 rules
01:07:20.800 as
01:07:21.260 the
01:07:21.420 other
01:07:21.680 so
01:07:22.420 the
01:07:23.380 second
01:07:23.900 part
01:07:24.240 of
01:07:24.340 the
01:07:24.480 spirit
01:07:24.820 is
01:07:25.500 that
01:07:25.760 since
01:07:26.180 every
01:07:26.640 part
01:07:27.000 of
01:07:27.260 what
01:07:27.420 we
01:07:27.580 call
01:07:27.800 the
01:07:27.940 material
01:07:28.260 world
01:07:28.720 has
01:07:30.200 its
01:07:30.580 exact
01:07:31.320 counterpart
01:07:31.860 in
01:07:32.060 the
01:07:32.200 spiritual
01:07:32.500 world
01:07:32.920 though
01:07:33.180 in a
01:07:33.620 kind
01:07:33.880 of
01:07:33.980 different
01:07:34.320 organization
01:07:35.000 you could
01:07:36.280 say
01:07:36.480 that
01:07:36.680 all
01:07:37.200 of
01:07:37.460 the
01:07:37.820 all
01:07:39.140 the
01:07:39.300 animals
01:07:39.780 all
01:07:40.420 even
01:07:40.840 like
01:07:41.160 stones
01:07:41.680 and
01:07:42.140 trees
01:07:43.000 and
01:07:43.220 stuff
01:07:43.500 have
01:07:43.980 a
01:07:44.180 spiritual
01:07:44.560 counterpart
01:07:45.020 or
01:07:45.520 animal
01:07:46.380 spirit
01:07:46.840 or
01:07:47.140 natural
01:07:48.100 spirit
01:07:48.560 so to
01:07:48.860 speak
01:07:49.100 and
01:07:50.100 that
01:07:50.680 includes
01:07:51.020 the
01:07:51.160 human
01:07:51.340 body
01:07:51.700 so
01:07:52.220 the
01:07:52.480 human
01:07:52.720 body
01:07:53.080 has
01:07:53.600 its
01:07:54.060 own
01:07:54.360 animal
01:07:54.720 spirit
01:07:55.200 according
01:07:56.760 to that
01:07:57.080 same
01:07:57.320 logic
01:07:57.700 so that
01:07:58.260 animal
01:07:58.840 spirit
01:07:59.240 would be
01:07:59.840 you could
01:08:00.580 say
01:08:00.720 the second
01:08:01.100 part of
01:08:01.520 the soul
01:08:01.940 which is
01:08:02.680 probably
01:08:04.560 equivalent
01:08:05.280 or similar
01:08:06.220 to
01:08:06.620 what you
01:08:07.740 guys said
01:08:08.200 like
01:08:08.400 the
01:08:08.560 I don't
01:08:10.060 remember how
01:08:10.440 you called
01:08:10.860 it
01:08:11.080 but it was
01:08:11.700 like the
01:08:12.000 animal
01:08:12.480 consciousness
01:08:13.500 or something
01:08:13.960 like that
01:08:14.440 passionate
01:08:15.200 or the
01:08:15.480 appetitive
01:08:15.880 yeah
01:08:16.100 right
01:08:16.580 so this
01:08:17.700 is a
01:08:18.460 product
01:08:18.880 of that
01:08:19.580 human
01:08:20.300 body
01:08:20.660 and all
01:08:21.080 of the
01:08:21.400 history
01:08:21.960 and things
01:08:22.420 like that
01:08:22.820 that
01:08:23.180 you know
01:08:23.860 the evolution
01:08:24.740 of that
01:08:25.100 species
01:08:25.580 has
01:08:26.000 if you
01:08:26.960 believe
01:08:27.200 in
01:08:27.320 evolution
01:08:27.740 that's
01:08:31.500 I would
01:08:31.860 say
01:08:32.160 the
01:08:32.460 basic
01:08:32.920 idea
01:08:33.800 let me
01:08:35.640 interrupt you
01:08:35.940 just one
01:08:36.200 second
01:08:36.440 are you
01:08:37.100 referring to
01:08:37.540 just emanations
01:08:38.220 from the
01:08:38.540 one
01:08:38.760 and as
01:08:40.700 things kind
01:08:41.140 of descend
01:08:41.560 so to speak
01:08:42.140 they get
01:08:42.980 greater and
01:08:44.140 greater
01:08:44.380 differentiated
01:08:46.020 until they
01:08:46.400 reach pure
01:08:46.900 matter
01:08:47.180 well
01:08:48.480 it's like
01:08:49.500 everything
01:08:50.000 exists at
01:08:50.620 once
01:08:51.040 like when
01:08:52.140 you're at
01:08:52.460 the level
01:08:52.780 of the
01:08:53.080 one
01:08:53.420 there is no
01:08:54.480 time or
01:08:54.840 space
01:08:55.260 and so
01:08:55.880 the division
01:08:56.420 into duality
01:08:57.320 and the
01:08:57.800 multiplicity
01:08:58.420 it's all
01:08:59.120 happened
01:08:59.500 instantly
01:09:00.120 so to speak
01:09:00.720 so this is
01:09:01.740 because we
01:09:02.960 have to
01:09:03.360 speak in
01:09:03.740 time
01:09:04.040 but we
01:09:04.600 don't mean
01:09:05.060 these didn't
01:09:05.940 happen
01:09:06.140 sequentially
01:09:06.700 but we
01:09:07.540 have to
01:09:07.740 describe it
01:09:08.140 sequentially
01:09:08.680 of course
01:09:09.600 yes
01:09:09.900 so I
01:09:11.500 learned a lot
01:09:11.880 from
01:09:12.000 so yeah
01:09:13.520 the
01:09:13.760 you could
01:09:15.680 say that
01:09:16.140 progressively
01:09:17.360 if you want
01:09:18.300 to speak
01:09:18.580 in time
01:09:19.020 you know
01:09:19.420 the one
01:09:20.240 became two
01:09:20.980 the two
01:09:21.540 became
01:09:22.040 consciousness
01:09:22.720 or spirit
01:09:23.440 and then
01:09:24.060 spirit
01:09:24.420 became
01:09:24.780 matter
01:09:25.180 but of
01:09:25.860 course
01:09:26.000 it's all
01:09:26.540 simultaneous
01:09:27.200 and all
01:09:28.300 at the
01:09:28.480 same
01:09:28.640 time
01:09:28.920 but you
01:09:29.700 could say
01:09:30.040 that
01:09:30.260 logically
01:09:31.020 speaking
01:09:31.640 matter
01:09:32.640 is
01:09:33.140 a
01:09:34.060 consequence
01:09:34.800 of
01:09:35.200 spirit
01:09:35.540 in some
01:09:36.180 sense
01:09:36.520 but they're
01:09:37.040 both
01:09:37.400 interrelated
01:09:38.500 and simultaneous
01:09:39.420 when I read
01:09:40.740 the tinyness
01:09:41.080 for the first
01:09:41.460 time
01:09:41.760 you know
01:09:42.440 you have
01:09:43.000 to read
01:09:43.300 it
01:09:43.440 sequentially
01:09:43.920 and it
01:09:44.840 took a while
01:09:45.260 to penetrate
01:09:45.700 my head
01:09:46.200 that he
01:09:47.080 doesn't mean
01:09:47.440 it that way
01:09:47.860 this is just
01:09:49.100 the structure
01:09:49.620 of the universe
01:09:50.340 that exists
01:09:50.740 all at once
01:09:51.300 yeah
01:09:51.660 they're like
01:09:52.200 logical
01:09:52.660 well I
01:09:53.500 haven't read
01:09:54.120 the
01:09:54.580 book you're
01:09:56.140 referring to
01:09:56.580 but you know
01:09:57.140 when you make
01:09:57.620 that kind of
01:09:58.140 logical thing
01:09:59.580 I mean
01:10:00.460 they're
01:10:00.840 logical steps
01:10:01.780 but not
01:10:02.140 chronological steps
01:10:03.120 you could say
01:10:03.600 exactly right
01:10:04.400 yeah
01:10:04.600 yeah but
01:10:05.180 unfortunately
01:10:05.560 we have bodies
01:10:06.340 we're in time
01:10:07.000 so it sounds
01:10:08.000 like we mean
01:10:08.700 sequences
01:10:09.380 right
01:10:09.960 of course
01:10:10.360 this is just
01:10:10.780 you know
01:10:11.000 this is just
01:10:11.400 the
01:10:11.660 neoplatonic
01:10:13.500 you know
01:10:15.440 metaphysics
01:10:15.880 of the world
01:10:16.320 probably
01:10:18.540 I mean
01:10:19.180 to be honest
01:10:20.060 I didn't
01:10:20.660 like read
01:10:21.260 the stuff
01:10:21.900 it's kind of
01:10:22.680 it's a product
01:10:23.600 of you could
01:10:24.380 say meditation
01:10:25.040 or visualization
01:10:26.060 exercises
01:10:26.840 but I'm sure
01:10:27.880 that they
01:10:28.300 would say
01:10:29.320 something similar
01:10:30.200 I mean
01:10:30.560 you can't come
01:10:31.460 to different
01:10:31.860 conclusions
01:10:32.340 if you kind
01:10:33.280 of think
01:10:34.020 about it
01:10:34.380 in the
01:10:34.840 correct way
01:10:35.640 you didn't
01:10:36.940 use the word
01:10:37.340 emanation
01:10:37.880 but I think
01:10:38.480 you implied
01:10:38.920 it
01:10:39.300 yeah I mean
01:10:40.920 I'm not sure
01:10:42.080 exactly what
01:10:43.200 emanation entails
01:10:44.280 you can kind
01:10:44.880 of visualize
01:10:45.320 it that way
01:10:46.000 but I mean
01:10:46.740 it's probably
01:10:47.380 the same thing
01:10:48.140 the last part
01:10:50.680 I would say
01:10:51.160 of the soul
01:10:51.700 if you want
01:10:52.140 to spread it
01:10:52.720 in three
01:10:53.120 is that
01:10:53.640 there has to
01:10:54.340 be a relationship
01:10:55.300 between
01:10:55.940 the consciousness
01:10:57.540 the soul
01:10:58.400 and the
01:10:59.580 body
01:11:00.220 because the
01:11:01.280 spirit
01:11:01.940 can't interact
01:11:03.420 with
01:11:04.180 the body
01:11:06.280 directly
01:11:06.840 there has
01:11:07.880 to be
01:11:08.060 some sort
01:11:08.440 of
01:11:08.600 medium
01:11:10.160 and the
01:11:11.320 medium
01:11:11.560 is going
01:11:11.860 to be
01:11:12.200 the
01:11:12.640 perceptions
01:11:13.240 the
01:11:15.000 perceptions
01:11:15.540 like
01:11:15.960 sight
01:11:16.860 and
01:11:17.260 sounds
01:11:18.180 and things
01:11:18.480 like that
01:11:18.920 they exist
01:11:19.980 in
01:11:20.580 the
01:11:21.420 physical
01:11:21.900 realm
01:11:22.340 but also
01:11:23.240 in the
01:11:24.180 spiritual
01:11:25.300 realm
01:11:25.720 so
01:11:26.080 by
01:11:27.040 associating
01:11:29.000 yourself
01:11:29.740 with the
01:11:30.520 body
01:11:30.820 you become
01:11:31.820 kind of
01:11:32.280 enamored
01:11:32.840 with those
01:11:33.800 perceptions
01:11:34.300 and that
01:11:35.860 creates
01:11:36.220 the
01:11:37.860 third
01:11:38.280 part
01:11:38.540 of the
01:11:38.760 soul
01:11:38.960 so to
01:11:39.260 speak
01:11:39.460 the
01:11:39.940 mass
01:11:42.920 of
01:11:43.280 perceptions
01:11:43.980 or
01:11:44.680 sensory
01:11:46.660 information
01:11:47.200 that you
01:11:48.260 attach
01:11:48.600 yourself
01:11:48.940 to
01:11:49.180 so
01:11:50.660 I would
01:11:51.280 say
01:11:51.440 that
01:11:51.580 those
01:11:51.780 are
01:11:51.900 the
01:11:52.060 three
01:11:52.420 main
01:11:53.040 parts
01:11:53.440 but
01:11:54.320 other
01:11:54.760 parts
01:11:55.420 you could
01:11:56.380 for sure
01:11:57.380 break down
01:11:58.240 any of
01:11:58.860 those parts
01:11:59.300 into smaller
01:11:59.960 subcategories
01:12:00.840 if you
01:12:01.160 liked
01:12:01.440 so
01:12:02.780 I
01:12:03.020 think
01:12:03.440 maybe
01:12:04.700 this
01:12:05.180 whole
01:12:05.480 thing
01:12:05.780 was not
01:12:06.100 necessarily
01:12:06.620 necessary
01:12:08.240 to be
01:12:08.740 said
01:12:09.080 to
01:12:09.440 understand
01:12:09.960 the
01:12:10.640 structure
01:12:12.140 of the
01:12:12.400 soul
01:12:12.640 but I
01:12:13.160 think
01:12:13.260 it's
01:12:13.440 interesting
01:12:13.840 when we're
01:12:14.760 going to
01:12:14.900 get into
01:12:15.180 demons
01:12:15.580 to show
01:12:16.580 how
01:12:17.000 maybe
01:12:17.400 our
01:12:17.700 ideas
01:12:19.160 are
01:12:19.360 different
01:12:19.660 on that
01:12:20.120 front
01:12:20.460 because
01:12:21.900 I
01:12:22.200 imagine
01:12:22.680 that the
01:12:23.020 Christian
01:12:23.320 version
01:12:23.680 will be
01:12:24.060 that
01:12:24.380 demons
01:12:25.340 are
01:12:25.700 fallen
01:12:26.100 angels
01:12:26.540 so to
01:12:26.860 speak
01:12:27.120 whereas
01:12:27.620 I would
01:12:28.100 say
01:12:28.540 something
01:12:28.840 different
01:12:29.260 but maybe
01:12:30.020 those things
01:12:30.500 are not
01:12:30.760 so different
01:12:31.260 after all
01:12:31.820 yes
01:12:33.780 but this
01:12:34.640 is something
01:12:34.980 that we're
01:12:35.440 actually going
01:12:35.980 to discuss
01:12:36.500 after we get
01:12:37.220 back from
01:12:37.640 the break
01:12:38.100 because we've
01:12:38.700 come to the
01:12:39.080 end of our
01:12:39.420 first segment
01:12:39.860 of the show
01:12:40.400 so to
01:12:42.760 our listeners
01:12:43.280 please stay
01:12:44.480 tuned
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01:15:56.980 O rejoice, pride of heaven, O other than the cherubim, beyond the wheremore glorious.
01:16:16.980 O rejoice, pride of heaven, let thee, your body, seraphim, transcending thee and heavenly thrones.
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01:16:46.980 O rejoice, pride of heaven, rejoice the hymn of angels, O rejoice, pride of heaven, rejoice the Lord of seraphim, the joy of thee, our angels.
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01:20:40.100 Welcome back to part two of Mysterium Fasci's episode 13, Spiritual Warfare.
01:20:46.100 Before the break, we discussed the anatomy of the soul,
01:20:50.100 spiritual warfare against men.
01:20:52.100 We began to talk a little bit about fighting against spirits,
01:20:56.100 but now we're going to continue that discussion and get into the main chunk of the segment itself.
01:21:02.100 So I thought the best way to start this would be to talk about how demons came to exist.
01:21:10.100 I'm only going to address this from a Christian metaphysical point of view,
01:21:16.100 so you'll just have to deal with it if you disagree with me.
01:21:19.100 So the tradition would essentially say that before God created the physical universe,
01:21:26.100 he did create life.
01:21:28.100 He created spiritual beings, spirits.
01:21:31.100 These are what we call angels or angelic spirits.
01:21:35.100 And so these are creatures made entirely of non-physical material.
01:21:47.100 And God, just like how he gave us free will, he gave these spirits free will.
01:21:53.100 The nature of spiritual realm is that there is no time and there is no place.
01:21:58.100 Creatures within it do not move from one moment to another or one place to another,
01:22:02.100 making decisions in the same dynamic fashion that we do here.
01:22:06.100 But rather they exist in a more static,
01:22:09.100 well, static is perhaps not the right word,
01:22:11.100 but a more eternal, constant mode of living.
01:22:16.100 And so the tradition would say that God gave these spirits a decision between essentially him and themselves.
01:22:27.100 The kind of romanticized version is that God revealed to the angelic host,
01:22:33.100 the sons of God, as they're called in scripture,
01:22:38.100 that the second person of the Holy Trinity, the Logos, would become incarnate as a man.
01:22:44.100 And furthermore, that he would be born of a woman, a physical woman of the Virgin Mary.
01:22:51.100 And so the lore goes that the highest of all of the angels,
01:22:56.100 Lucifer, the shining one, the lightbringer, effervescent, the peacock angel,
01:23:02.100 the most luminous and greatest of all the spirits, rebelled him.
01:23:08.100 He said that he would not serve material, he would not serve a material god,
01:23:13.100 and he would not serve a material woman in the form of the Virgin Mary who is Queen of Heaven.
01:23:19.100 And the story goes, and we see this in the Book of Revelation,
01:23:22.100 that the dragon, Satan convinced one third of the angels in Heaven,
01:23:29.100 mostly from the lower ranks, to also rebel against God,
01:23:32.100 and to defy the natural order, defy the Logos.
01:23:36.100 The archangel Michael, at this point, led the war in Heaven of the angels who remained faithful to God,
01:23:47.100 who remained faithful to their nature.
01:23:49.100 The name Michael, from the Hebrew Mikael, means who is like God.
01:23:54.100 Traditionally this is rendered as a battle cry.
01:23:57.100 This is the war cry of the angelic forces in Heaven against those who would not serve.
01:24:02.100 Whom is like God?
01:24:04.100 Whom has the ability to fashion and create the universe and its laws but God?
01:24:10.100 Who can set themselves up higher than the Most High?
01:24:14.100 No one.
01:24:16.100 And so to rebel against him is death.
01:24:19.100 The teaching is then that the demons were defeated and fell from Heaven.
01:24:26.100 And that's how they came to be.
01:24:30.100 Now, probably there are flaws in the narrative I've just recounted,
01:24:33.100 so I'll open that up to people who's probably a little bit more than me.
01:24:36.100 Dr. Johnson and Dr. Savage, please go ahead.
01:24:41.100 If there's any errors or do you think you could add anything to the creation?
01:24:46.100 One thing I think it's important to add is that there is an element of free choice.
01:24:52.100 The story that you related, it makes it rational.
01:24:56.100 It has to be because angels had to make a decision.
01:25:01.100 Now, if that's the case, that means that God could not have totally revealed himself at the time.
01:25:07.100 Because if that were the case, there would be no more choice.
01:25:11.100 Choice only exists in uncertainty.
01:25:13.100 But if you're bathed in grace, you couldn't have any uncertainty.
01:25:18.100 God is not going to force any rational or immaterial thing to worship him.
01:25:24.100 That's absurd.
01:25:26.100 It's against our dignity.
01:25:27.100 So he had to have in some way hid himself such that the angels could actually make a choice.
01:25:34.100 Everybody who comes to him and is bathed in that kind of life that we don't even understand, what heaven is,
01:25:43.100 it's there because they have made a choice, that they have shown virtue in some sense.
01:25:47.100 So God could not have totally revealed himself to the angels at that point in human history.
01:25:51.100 Yeah, that's a good caveat.
01:25:56.100 Doc, did you want to add something?
01:25:58.100 Yeah, that's, that's, we just wanted to reinforce that, of course.
01:26:04.100 There, there's, there's an element of the traditional story.
01:26:11.100 And then there's another element of the traditional explanation of the traditional story.
01:26:15.100 And then there's an element of, of what amounts to rank speculation on our part.
01:26:21.100 But you, you've given the, the, the basic outline correctly, as far as I know.
01:26:28.100 And, of course, we, you know, it is absolutely correct to say that in the process of creating the angels in the first place,
01:26:37.100 there must have been some sort of separation between the glory of God and the rest of the universe.
01:26:42.100 Otherwise, as Dr. Johnson correctly points out, how could anyone have chosen otherwise?
01:26:49.100 I think there's a, there's another point that I've seen referred to that you don't find a lot in traditional Western Catholic metaphysics or theology.
01:27:03.100 But, um, it's a point that I find that quite intriguing that the element of choice, uh, that, that, uh, that angels, uh, have, uh, necessitates that they, um, be able to change in some way.
01:27:20.100 And that, that this change would require that they have some, some sort of matter as a component of their being.
01:27:27.100 Now, obviously it wouldn't be matter as, as, as we're most familiar with it, uh, matter as you or I have.
01:27:33.100 Uh, it would have to be something else, some sort of subtle matter or spiritual matter.
01:27:39.100 Uh, but it is matter in some way.
01:27:41.100 Uh, you know, that's a point.
01:27:44.100 Uh, it's an excellent point because Sarah from Rose was the one who alerted me to this concept.
01:27:49.100 When we talk about matter and spirit, we're really using Cartesian terms.
01:27:53.100 And what father Sarah from told told me it was said in his writings.
01:27:58.100 And then I find it again in Gregory of Nyssa and Athanasius is that there are many gradients in between.
01:28:04.100 These aren't hermetically sealed off category.
01:28:07.100 And when father Sarah from defying the demons, he actually refers to these gradients quite a bit.
01:28:13.100 Um, that there are, there is a lot of, of leeway between pure matter and pure spirit.
01:28:19.100 In fact, all of our metaphysics is based on the idea that we can't even conceive of pure matter.
01:28:25.100 As we think about it, it has to be formed into something.
01:28:28.100 Uh, so these things in their pure form are, are impossible.
01:28:33.100 Um, they're abstractions essentially.
01:28:35.100 Exactly right.
01:28:36.100 Um, and we only understand them, um, from abstracting from things we see.
01:28:40.100 But, um, the demons, uh, are in this, in this middle, middle place.
01:28:45.100 Uh, and, and I've, I've read way too many.
01:28:48.100 Many, even Malachi Martin, even, you know, uh, exorcists who have all said that demons are very different from one another.
01:28:53.100 Some are very stupid and crude.
01:28:55.100 Some are very intelligent.
01:28:56.100 And there seems to be a, a, a concept that after a while, matter becomes a state of mind.
01:29:01.100 That they are, uh, they become angry and passionate.
01:29:05.100 And over the centuries in human history, um, demons have become more and more material, so to speak.
01:29:10.100 Um, that material isn't just a, uh, an ontological reality.
01:29:14.100 It's a mental one, too.
01:29:18.100 That makes, uh, that makes a lot of sense.
01:29:20.100 And that also kind of ties into some of the more, um, shall we say, um, uh, uh, uh, extraneous literature.
01:29:31.100 Uh, what's the word I'm looking for?
01:29:32.100 Apocryphal literature.
01:29:33.100 Uh, where it starts talking about, uh, the book of Enoch.
01:29:36.100 Yes.
01:29:37.100 Yes, that would, uh, you know, that's a perfect question.
01:29:41.100 How could immaterial beings inseminate the children, the women of men in Genesis, and produce
01:29:47.100 a lot of offspring?
01:29:48.100 Obviously, they'd be impossible, so they must have some material component to them.
01:29:53.100 Well, yeah, and, and, and I think that, that, that points us back to the, the, as, as Dr.
01:29:59.100 Johnson points out, the error of, uh, a Cartesian thinking.
01:30:02.100 That there is some, this inseparable gulf between, quote, unquote, purely material, prime material,
01:30:09.100 and, quote, unquote, you know, pure, pure spiritual realities.
01:30:13.100 That these, these realities are, are coterminous.
01:30:17.100 They, they exist simultaneously and interpenetrate each other.
01:30:21.100 You know, there, there is no separating the spiritual from the physical.
01:30:26.100 Right.
01:30:28.100 I think that's accurate.
01:30:29.100 So that's, that's where, um, that's where these demons come from.
01:30:34.100 One of the, one of the, even if you're not a Christian, I think that it's always conspicuous
01:30:38.100 is to look at the universal conceptions in, across human civilization.
01:30:45.100 Uh, evil spirits are a universal reality.
01:30:49.100 I cannot think of one civilization that did not have some sort of conception of,
01:30:55.100 not only a spiritual world, but of, there were malicious spirits that interacted with them.
01:31:02.100 Uh, absolutely.
01:31:03.100 Absolutely.
01:31:04.100 And, um, just to, to continue to kind of highlight the, the points of, points of convergence
01:31:10.100 between the, the, um, pre-Christian or, or, or so-called pagan perspective and the traditional
01:31:16.100 Christian perspective.
01:31:17.100 You know, if, if, if we say that, um, angel is a class of being, that implies a hierarchy from
01:31:25.100 the most high, you know, uh, seraphim, cherubim, uh, thrones, powers, and dominions that the,
01:31:32.100 the, the, the, the extreme formal beings close to the mind of God.
01:31:37.100 Well, there's also a, a, a wide chain, a long chain, excuse me, uh, of, of lesser beings
01:31:44.100 who are also of the type angel, uh, that are responsible for, for, uh, uh, the, the order
01:31:51.100 of the universe.
01:31:52.100 Everything has its angel in the tradition, right?
01:31:54.100 So in the same way that, uh, a, a, a pre-Christian, uh, heathen might speak of a spirit of, of a
01:32:01.100 city or a spirit of a nation, a spirit of a mountain, a spirit of a river.
01:32:04.100 Well, you know, we would say that there's, you know, yeah, there is a spirit.
01:32:09.100 It's called an angel.
01:32:10.100 You know, there's an angel of, of our nation, an angel of our city, an angel of that mountain,
01:32:15.100 you know, and, and, and, and, and our own angels, the guardian angels, of course.
01:32:20.100 And, uh, given the, uh, rebellion of a certain subset of, of these things, sometimes you will
01:32:27.100 find a person or a place, uh, or a group of people or what have you that is dominated by
01:32:34.100 by a, um, malign angel, what we would call a demon.
01:32:43.100 The problem that I've had in dealing with, um, non-Christians in this respect is that the
01:32:48.100 real issue, the real gulf is personality.
01:32:51.100 It seems that, that the modern mentality, the positivist mentality defines myth as referring
01:32:56.100 to anything, any force in the world that has a personality.
01:33:00.100 When it's abstract and, and treated, you know, as a concept, it's okay.
01:33:06.100 And they have no problem with it.
01:33:07.100 The minute you add a will to it, it becomes nonsense.
01:33:11.100 Um, angels exist in the same plane that forms do.
01:33:15.100 Uh, this is why they really don't learn.
01:33:17.100 They have no empirical, uh, they don't have to collect data.
01:33:20.100 You know, they're, they're, they're immaterial sufficiently where they can simply, uh, comprehend
01:33:25.100 a form or an archetype just in and of itself or different than we would, we would perceive
01:33:30.100 an object.
01:33:31.100 Uh, the problem is that, you know, a modernist may read Plato and like it and get a lot out
01:33:36.100 of it.
01:33:37.100 Um, but when we talk about the exact same concepts just with a personality, all of a sudden we're
01:33:42.100 superstitious.
01:33:43.100 That seems to be the big gulf.
01:33:45.100 Yeah, certainly.
01:33:50.100 Um, so I think that we've kind of got a good grip on, on what demons are and where they
01:33:57.100 come from.
01:33:58.100 So as we've said, you know, there's a, there's a multitude of the heavenly hosts.
01:34:01.100 I mean, there are angels that, um, have dominion, spiritual dominion over the entirety of the
01:34:08.100 created universe.
01:34:09.100 They act at, I mean, angel, it basically translates, it means agent.
01:34:14.100 Okay.
01:34:15.100 From, uh, it's from the Greek, which means messenger, but in Hebrew it's closer to agent.
01:34:21.100 Okay.
01:34:22.100 Uh, so the, these, just as there's a multitude of agents which, uh, have dominion over, um,
01:34:31.100 all of the, the created material world, the spiritual world, you know, so too there are,
01:34:37.100 uh, demons, although less numerous, which, um, proliferate.
01:34:43.100 They're all over the place.
01:34:44.100 I mean, I think that there was an exorcist to priest, you know, he said, you know, they're
01:34:48.100 not demons under every rock, but under every other rock.
01:34:53.100 The, the idea is that as we go through our daily lives, we're, we're all, all subject
01:35:00.100 to what's called, um, I guess you could say ordinary demonic influence.
01:35:04.100 We interact with these spirits every day.
01:35:07.100 These spirits, they operate usually through images and through suggestion.
01:35:11.100 And because we have free will, they are not able to, except in extraordinary cases, could
01:35:17.100 just dominate us, take over our body and use us for their own purposes.
01:35:20.100 They have to negotiate with us.
01:35:22.100 They have to make suggestions.
01:35:23.100 They have to make proposals.
01:35:24.100 They have to lure us into doing their bidding through temptation.
01:35:28.100 Okay.
01:35:29.100 You know, we traditionally, it would be said that temptation to sin comes from the world,
01:35:34.100 the flesh and the devil, right?
01:35:36.100 Uh, usually these things like to work in combination.
01:35:39.100 There's always, there's usually a congruency between these two, three factors.
01:35:44.100 Okay.
01:35:45.100 So the goal of these angels is they want to gain control over us by having us sin.
01:35:51.100 When we sin, when we go against the cosmic order, uh, we, we, by definition, give them power.
01:35:58.100 Okay.
01:35:59.100 We, we not only denature ourselves, we move ourselves further away from that freedom and autonomy
01:36:05.100 that we described later on, but the things that we have dominion over move further out of
01:36:10.100 further out of that purvey of the things that we have authority over become misaligned with
01:36:16.100 the cosmic order.
01:36:17.100 This is why when Adam committed original sin, we still bear the false for it because God
01:36:22.100 believes in corporate personality and he had dominion over Eve and over his ancestors forever.
01:36:27.100 And by his sin, he created a rupture.
01:36:30.100 He removed us in who we are, our essence from the cosmic order and introduced concupiscence
01:36:36.100 to the world and inclination to chaos or sinfulness.
01:36:39.100 Now, these demons, they interact with us, as I said, every single day of our lives.
01:36:50.100 Any suggestions to us?
01:36:53.100 Well, right off the bat, um, I know, um, the church and, and I, I'm, I'm, I'm certain I've
01:36:59.100 heard this in the liturgy, but I know that the church at least talks about the spirit of anger,
01:37:04.100 the spirit of, um, uh, of, of lust, the spirit of, uh, of any number of, uh, of, uh, desires
01:37:13.100 and, and, and sins.
01:37:14.100 And, and, and it, you know, uh, I think most people who go to church would hear that and,
01:37:20.100 and, and, and think of that as a sort of, take that metaphorically as a sort of poetry,
01:37:25.100 but we're talking about a really, a real thing here.
01:37:28.100 You know, there are temptations that come external to yourself.
01:37:33.100 Yes.
01:37:34.100 Um, so the, the, uh, you know, Catholic exorcists would actually categorize demons, um, by the
01:37:42.100 seven deadly sins.
01:37:43.100 They would say that relating to the fall of each of the angelic spirits, each of them had,
01:37:48.100 um, erred in an area particular to themselves.
01:37:53.100 So like anger or the gluttony or pride, right?
01:37:57.100 Lucifer is like archetypical example of pride, right?
01:38:02.100 And so the, um, you know, that, that's the categorization.
01:38:05.100 I'm not certain what the patristics or the orthodox texts say on this, uh, Dr.
01:38:10.100 Johnson, if you care to interject.
01:38:11.100 Yeah.
01:38:12.100 Let me try to systematize it just for a little bit.
01:38:14.100 I said in the first hour that demons don't have much power.
01:38:17.100 Um, because the only way they rule is as you said, suggestion or temptation.
01:38:24.100 I said, image or fantasy, the exact same thing.
01:38:27.100 Um, we see a beautiful woman and you know what we start thinking about.
01:38:31.100 Uh, we are struggling financially and we're fantasizing what it would be like, uh, to not
01:38:36.100 have these problems and to get whatever we want.
01:38:38.100 We have this image.
01:38:40.100 Um, this is what demons do.
01:38:42.100 They show us sort of a movie screen.
01:38:44.100 It corresponds to the shadows and Plato's wall, uh, in the cave.
01:38:48.100 Um, none of them are actually real, but they're plausible enough that if we're really struggling or suffering, uh, we take them as real.
01:38:57.100 You know, even when we achieve some of these things, we realize it's not nearly as good as we thought.
01:39:02.100 And we forget how much we lose in gaining those things.
01:39:05.100 And when we possess those things, a whole bunch of new problems show up.
01:39:10.100 But the fantasy that's shown to us, uh, that demons either create themselves or simply add to, um, are, are lies.
01:39:18.100 There's a big difference.
01:39:19.100 So an image is not the same thing as our perception of an object.
01:39:22.100 An object might actually be there.
01:39:24.100 Uh, how we interpret and use those perceptions is something that demons know how to do.
01:39:30.100 The central issue is that they, they know human beings enough that they know how to, um, get in the cracks of our weaknesses.
01:39:37.100 Whatever our dominant passion happens to be, uh, they'll know how to, how to manipulate it.
01:39:42.100 Uh, you know, if there are entities below us, like, you know, animals, you know, and plants.
01:39:47.100 Well, it stands to reason there's entities above us.
01:39:50.100 Um, so the metaphysical and ontological, uh, payoff here is the distinction between something that's real, that we can perceive, we know it's true, and we have a concept about it, we study it on the one hand, and an image that's generated in our minds on the other hand.
01:40:07.100 Um, one is true and the other is false.
01:40:11.100 If you're doing something according to truth, you can't possibly sin.
01:40:14.100 Sin comes into existence when we follow these images as if they're, they're actually, actually there.
01:40:20.100 And they're never satisfactory.
01:40:21.100 You ever wonder why Rockefellers don't just retire and go buy an island somewhere?
01:40:25.100 No one's ever satisfied, no matter how much money or how much power you get.
01:40:29.100 Um, and, and these images, I think, is what we really mean by temptation.
01:40:33.100 Now, as far as the human psyche is concerned, you spend your life, you know, believing this to be real, and now we have it institutionalized in television and movies and stuff like that, and God knows what the chips and things like this are going to do in the future.
01:40:47.100 It changes your whole psyche.
01:40:49.100 It doesn't take long before you become completely tarned.
01:40:53.100 And even whatever spiritual element you may have been born with becomes effaced.
01:40:58.100 And it may even be the case that some people really simply just die like an animal would die.
01:41:03.100 Not all human beings, of course, but those that are so carnal that refer to any kind of spiritual free will is outrageous.
01:41:11.100 We know people like this.
01:41:13.100 How can these people be judged after a while?
01:41:15.100 On what, on what foundation?
01:41:16.100 They wouldn't even know what you're talking about at a certain level.
01:41:19.100 So, um, you know, how we act over time when it hardens into a habit of passion completely takes us over.
01:41:27.100 It possesses us in such a way that it radically changes who we are.
01:41:30.100 And you have a guy like George Soros.
01:41:32.100 He looks at people in America.
01:41:33.100 He doesn't see individuals with souls and stories.
01:41:36.100 He sees human capital.
01:41:38.100 He sees objects to manipulate.
01:41:41.100 In other words, he's not seeing the same thing we do.
01:41:44.100 His world is completely different.
01:41:45.100 He doesn't live in the same world that we do.
01:41:47.100 But this is what happens when slowly but surely you become possessed by these images to the point where it even takes physical properties in the way you look and how you behave.
01:41:58.100 Now, the theological payoff to all of this is that this is what happens when an Orthodox man dies.
01:42:07.100 Heaven and hell are the same place.
01:42:08.100 And this is this is a patristic idea.
01:42:11.100 And the difference between the two things is how the human body, how the human psyche, I should say, responds to grace.
01:42:18.100 Grace is nothing more than God's presence, his power, his light, you know, energy.
01:42:23.100 It's all one in the same concept we're talking about here.
01:42:26.100 And, you know, we can't talk about it scientifically because we don't we can't, you know, it's not that kind of an object.
01:42:32.100 But all of the words actually are the same thing.
01:42:35.100 When we're bathed in that, we're not all going to react the same way.
01:42:39.100 Some of us who have been preparing ourselves for our whole lives are going to see it as a final completion of everything that we do.
01:42:47.100 On the other hand, George Soros of the world with that type of person is going to be absolutely it's going to be like it's going to be like taking someone who's freezing to death and throwing them to a pot of hot water.
01:42:59.100 They're going to die of shock right there.
01:43:02.100 Or having someone that's been starving for years and giving them a hamburger.
01:43:05.100 You could kill them that way.
01:43:08.100 And this is a kind of a similar idea when they're bathed in grace, they're going to be tortured.
01:43:13.100 And that's what the patristic idea of heaven and hell and how that's connected to how we live on Earth.
01:43:18.100 And that's connected with how demons attempt to influence us.
01:43:22.100 They're so weak, though, that especially if we know of their existence, that the only power that they could possibly have against us is showing us those pictures, those little movies we play in our head that are never real and never true.
01:43:34.100 Just to add on to that a little bit, when you say, of course, us, you're, of course, referring to baptized initiates into the Christian mysteries.
01:43:49.100 The terrible tragedy of modernity is how many people should be baptized and are not or who were baptized but have fallen away or were never, never confirmed in the spirit or what's the orthodox?
01:44:08.100 Chrismation.
01:44:09.100 Chrismation, never chrismated in the spirit and so on.
01:44:13.100 And so on.
01:44:14.100 And also, when we say that the entire society is ordered to the demonic, I mean, just think of what that means.
01:44:33.100 I mean, our entire society is empowering these entities.
01:44:38.100 Just think of the difference between a medieval society and what we have now.
01:44:44.100 A medieval society was entirely ordered every day around the liturgy, around the work of the people, around routine prayer.
01:44:57.100 And I would make the argument, I've never seen this explicated anywhere that I'm aware of, but my personal view of reading of this or view of this, my intuition on this is that the prayers of the people, even the simple farmer telling his beads and saying a simple Jesus prayer or hail Mary or what have you in the fields,
01:45:25.740 exerts a sort of spiritual pressure, a spiritual wind, if you will, that can sacralize a given social or physical space and keep these things at bay.
01:45:42.100 As our societies have secularized, we become more and more and more subject to these influences.
01:45:50.800 I mean, and look at the primary form of entertainment for us.
01:45:54.840 I mean, we've gone from theater to movies to televisions in every house.
01:46:00.220 And if demons are influencing us by images, you know, now we have demonically influenced people giving us images all the time.
01:46:12.800 That's what I meant by saying it was institutionalized.
01:46:14.920 Yeah, and it's actually, anybody who's interested in this particular aspect, I can go check out Jay Dyer.
01:46:22.820 He's an orthodox man, very good, well-renowned at physics.
01:46:25.580 I know you've been on his program, Dr. Johnson.
01:46:27.480 I'm a big fan of his, yeah.
01:46:28.800 I've been listening to you.
01:46:29.720 I've been on a big Jay Dyer kid recently.
01:46:31.280 Hopefully we can get him on the podcast.
01:46:32.740 That'd just be great.
01:46:33.860 But, so yeah, so this is the way these demons try to control us, is they lie to us.
01:46:40.280 And a lie is not just, you know, a logical deception.
01:46:43.620 It's not 2 plus 2 equals 5.
01:46:45.620 I mean, a lie is any view of reality that's wrong.
01:46:50.520 It deviates from the way it actually is, from the cosmic order.
01:46:54.040 I mean, if you have, you know, if you actually believe that there is, you know, truth in the universe, and more than that, that there's objective truth.
01:47:01.160 That there's, like, one way that the universe is, that it's structured, that it works, that it's built.
01:47:07.520 Then, of course, anything that takes us further away from this one truth, from this reality, would give the person who makes that suggestion an enormous amount of power over us.
01:47:17.660 An enormous amount of power.
01:47:19.200 It would make us their slaves.
01:47:21.980 And so that's exactly what these demons attempt to do.
01:47:23.760 They attempt to enslave us into sin by providing these illusory suggestions, these passions.
01:47:32.500 And so they do this through images, but it's also suggested that demons have a certain amount of power over the body.
01:47:39.840 They can induce lust, for instance.
01:47:44.640 Physically, you know, they can arouse anger.
01:47:48.240 Tiredness.
01:47:49.260 Sadness.
01:47:50.100 The emotions.
01:47:50.740 These animals, this animal side of us, they have a certain command and authority.
01:47:55.480 Because of the fall from grace, our body is subject to death and to passion.
01:48:00.600 And so we're not completely in control of it.
01:48:03.000 And that's where the battle fundamentally lies, both with spirits, but it starts in ourselves, and that's what we're going to get to with asceticism.
01:48:09.280 That's why fasting and prayer are super important.
01:48:11.340 It's because we are trying to build up this discipline over the body so that demons can't use it as a vector of control for us, that we become sovereign and free within our own selves.
01:48:22.320 Well, you know, the problem that we struggle with is very personal.
01:48:28.360 You know, I've been doing this from an orthodox point of view for 20 years as a Roman Catholic before that.
01:48:34.020 I saturate myself in this, you know, 16 hours a day, every day since I was 17, whether it be, you know, theological, historical, or philosophical.
01:48:45.780 25 years later, but if one girl in a short skirt walks by, out the window it goes, and I become Larry Flint.
01:48:52.020 And you know what, even if I, even if I somehow, by some miracle of God, I control myself, I hate myself afterward.
01:49:02.400 And we've all done this before.
01:49:04.640 This is not just me, obviously.
01:49:07.140 You know, heterosexual men, we're living in an age where women are dressing in such a way exactly to get that reaction.
01:49:13.680 Now, why do I do this?
01:49:14.780 Why is that 25 years' worth of work goes out the window like it never happened, and all she has to do is exist.
01:49:20.940 And that's the image.
01:49:22.960 That we're habituated to see.
01:49:25.400 By the way, it never quite turns out to be what we think it is.
01:49:27.900 But it's that image.
01:49:29.960 Now, what makes it far worse for us now than church fathers is that, yeah, but the guy down the street then took my place.
01:49:38.980 And it's doing her right now.
01:49:40.800 So now, you know, oh, isn't this wonderful?
01:49:43.180 How possibly could, you know, praying a Jesus prayer at home compare to, you know, a three-way with two women, you know, in my living room?
01:49:55.440 How could that possibly win?
01:49:56.960 It's a miracle that I'm able to even, you know, if those two things were offered to me.
01:50:03.540 Oh, my God.
01:50:04.440 You know, I'd live my life in regret if I didn't do it.
01:50:07.440 You know, and so, but it makes it worse when we're surrounded by people who are doing it.
01:50:11.780 And in some of our cases seem to be a lot happier than we are.
01:50:15.980 Now, the knowledge of the truth or the falsehood of the matter, you know, is abstract and immediate.
01:50:21.860 The desire that's manipulated in us is immediate.
01:50:24.380 And so we start on the tail end of this, you know, we have everything against us.
01:50:32.560 And I just wonder if church fathers were living today, given how the regime can control those psychological aspects of men and women, I guess, on an hourly basis, what they would say.
01:50:45.020 You know, back then, these things didn't exist.
01:50:48.320 You know, the Roman Stoic was infinitely superior to anything that America has produced, including Christians.
01:50:54.380 You know, we're alcoholics being forced to work in a bar, surrounded by people telling us that alcoholism doesn't exist and offers drinks every two minutes.
01:51:04.520 You know, yeah, we're going to, you know, it's a miracle if we can go ten minutes without taking a drink.
01:51:10.380 So we say the institutionalization of these images, it's not just that they control media and movies and everything else.
01:51:17.440 Because if those things were destroyed tomorrow, we could replay all of it in our heads for the rest of our lives.
01:51:25.840 So it becomes a part of who we are, and this is what the battle is.
01:51:29.820 And the worst part is if we win, from an earthly point of view, when we win and progress in virtue, we're angry, at least in my case, very angry.
01:51:37.340 There are so many other people around me who are having a ball.
01:51:39.400 And I'm in here, you know, reading St. John of Damascus.
01:51:43.240 How can they possibly compare?
01:51:45.280 And this is a battle.
01:51:46.420 This is – and demons can – they know enough about psychology to be able to manipulate that very deep – and we're talking about the psyche.
01:51:53.660 We're talking about self-esteem.
01:51:54.680 We're talking about manhood.
01:51:55.640 We're talking about the most intimate possible things that they know how to manipulate.
01:51:58.880 And now we live in a regime that knows how to provoke every aspect of these weaknesses and insecurities.
01:52:06.340 And that's the most practical axis and what makes our lives so difficult.
01:52:15.540 Precisely.
01:52:16.800 So we've been describing ordinary demonic influence, like these things that we're talking about, this battle of – this happens every single day.
01:52:23.140 We run into these things.
01:52:24.020 Everybody I'm certainly listening has had an experience where, you know, they've been doing something and just out of nowhere, something foul and a break just popped into their head.
01:52:34.540 You know, they've – you know, could do whatever.
01:52:38.780 Sexual, violent, evil, it doesn't matter.
01:52:42.740 Everybody's had this.
01:52:43.840 Everybody I've talked to without fail has described experiences like this.
01:52:46.980 You know, some people have it with more frequency.
01:52:48.720 Some people have it with less frequency.
01:52:49.780 There are also different ways in which – there are different levels of demonic influence.
01:52:57.160 So demons can go from simple, usual influence to what's called oppression.
01:53:04.500 This is a Catholic exorcist – these are Catholic exorcist categories, but they're fairly useful because they come from experience.
01:53:09.980 So demonic oppression is when an individual is under a state where, you know, literally they have a feeling – they are constantly assaulted with these images, with these temptations.
01:53:22.800 Their will is constantly under attack by outside forces who seek to subvert and subdue them, trying to ensnare them and bring them under their will.
01:53:32.580 And so it feels as if there was a weight which is crushing you.
01:53:38.260 You can't function.
01:53:40.140 You can't think.
01:53:41.820 You can't do anything.
01:53:43.760 It's very difficult even to pray because these things get twisted.
01:53:47.880 I speak from experience.
01:53:50.680 So this is another level of intensity.
01:53:54.320 It's more rare.
01:53:56.940 Typically speaking, these issues come because you've personally opened yourself up to this sort of influence with some of your actions.
01:54:05.820 You've committed a particularly egregious act or you're living in a place that's particularly tainted or foul or actually diametrically the opposite.
01:54:15.740 You're somebody that they really don't like.
01:54:17.200 They hate you a lot, okay?
01:54:21.020 So there's not a universal reason why people might run into these problems.
01:54:27.860 Would anybody else like to comment on this or do shooting you out of possession?
01:54:31.760 Well, just to add that we have many, many, many, a great many accounts from the saints that the more you have decided to make asceticism your spiritual path,
01:54:46.180 the more you will attract the attention of these things.
01:54:51.080 And that struggle can grow to epic proportions and become essentially the core of your ascetic practice.
01:55:02.460 Yeah, why are demons going to attack the average American?
01:55:05.780 That would be a big waste of effort.
01:55:08.120 You know, they're already controlled and easy to control.
01:55:12.620 You know, my problem is what do you do with these people in terms of judgment?
01:55:16.640 You see, the notion of oppression or possession of these things is that it just becomes a habit.
01:55:21.880 You don't know any better, and you give in, you give in, you give in, and before you know it, it's a part of your very person.
01:55:26.680 It's a hardwired reality rather than just a mistake that you made.
01:55:29.840 You know, you take your next-door neighbor who's, you know, been living this bohemian life this whole life and start talking about John Damascus with him.
01:55:38.620 What kind of reaction are you going to get?
01:55:40.500 But if that's the case, then how would these people judge?
01:55:44.220 And is it really their fault, especially given if you're born in the 70s or 80s?
01:55:50.320 You're already hardwired into this lifetime before you even know what planet you're on.
01:55:54.540 You know, my parents weren't religious.
01:55:55.420 You know, so we automatically start with – that's why I say we're like alcoholics being forced to work in a bar.
01:56:01.720 That's the perfect metaphor of what we're doing.
01:56:03.540 We're already messed up, and now we're surrounded by this stuff, and everyone's telling us it's okay.
01:56:08.640 So, you know, when we fall, this is not – we're not going to burn for that.
01:56:13.320 You know, if God doesn't – you know, Christ became man partially because he could be able to say, now I know what this stuff is like.
01:56:19.640 He did feel temptation, just didn't act on it.
01:56:22.240 And this is how we know that God fully understands, and it is true that the canons of, you know, the patristic era, if they were alive today, I think they would say some very, very different things.
01:56:33.920 And that's why, you know, when the patristic writers talk about the end times, they say, you know, it will be a miracle if these guys didn't even keep the facts.
01:56:41.080 And they still will be the greatest martyrs of all.
01:56:44.900 So there's a big – I mean the punchline here is that the concept of sin in the orthodox world, you know, in the hezochastic world isn't necessarily the really legalistic aspect of, oh, I did something wrong.
01:56:58.700 I committed an act, and it's a crime, and like stepping on a landmine, I'm going to be punished for it, or there's a record being kept in heaven on a piece of paper.
01:57:05.480 Sin is deeper than that.
01:57:08.920 We are expected in our empirical day-to-day self to sin.
01:57:12.180 You know, we're alcoholics.
01:57:13.360 We're forced to work in a bar.
01:57:14.880 You know, it's going to happen.
01:57:17.520 There's another level here, and this is where we're talking about eternal punishment.
01:57:21.360 It's when our very self-identity, the hard wiring in our mind and our mentality is absolutely dedicated to this and defends it and sees it as natural and wonderful and good.
01:57:32.980 That's a separate matter.
01:57:34.120 So we're talking about two different selves, the noumenal self, our identity, who we are and what we're striving for.
01:57:40.820 The empirical self is how we live every day, and we're not perfect beings.
01:57:45.100 It's when the noumenal self becomes taken over and is hardwired into this lifestyle.
01:57:51.600 Ah, then there's no hope for us.
01:57:54.060 But the empirical self, you know, alcoholics being forced to work in a bar, you're going to take a drink down again.
01:57:59.000 So this isn't all a hopeless concept, but the concept of sin has to be brought back to the patristic foundation.
01:58:06.360 There's a couple of points I'd like to make.
01:58:16.160 Yeah, so I think we have to be open to the possibility that there's a great number of people who will essentially die the way animals die.
01:58:30.760 And it's sad, it's a tragedy, but I think that's part of the terribleness of these latter days.
01:58:44.260 Now, as far as you say, as the patristic conception of sin, yes, there is a certain danger to the over-legalization of an understanding of sin.
01:58:56.700 And there is a certain strand of Catholic thinking that leads that way.
01:59:02.620 And, of course, many Protestants inherited that strand as well.
01:59:06.980 But I think the best Catholic thinking we'll find will mirror that understanding that we have responsibility, ultimately,
01:59:20.020 but God is both merciful and knows exactly our circumstance, right?
01:59:26.580 So culpability for any given event does depend on circumstances.
01:59:39.100 Circumstances do matter, and the Lord knows those circumstances.
01:59:42.680 The Lord is just and merciful.
01:59:44.100 Yeah, that's why I think the alcoholic being forced to work in a bar, it really works, because if God is seeing all this, sees our condition,
01:59:58.420 the notion that we're going to fall on a pretty regular basis, this has got to be built into the understanding.
02:00:04.160 In fact, my sins, I've learned from them.
02:00:06.720 I've suffered because of them, and certain things I've been able to overcome just from that point.
02:00:11.920 And I think that's how grace works.
02:00:13.960 But the other point you made is one that I've been struggling with almost my entire adult life.
02:00:20.220 I've come to the conclusion that you're absolutely right, that there is no possible way that God could judge somebody who has become completely carnal,
02:00:32.060 that's been hardwired into this system from birth.
02:00:36.100 I don't know how do we all know these people.
02:00:37.400 Most people are like this.
02:00:38.800 They're not free.
02:00:39.520 They have no free will whatsoever.
02:00:41.020 They wouldn't know what to do with free will if it was granted them.
02:00:44.260 It's free will, of course, implies the domination of the spirit.
02:00:47.560 Objects in space and time aren't free.
02:00:49.340 This is nothing but cause and effect.
02:00:51.400 How in heaven's name are these people judged?
02:00:53.700 How can they go to hell if that's the case?
02:00:56.020 That would be a horrible injustice.
02:00:57.840 Well, God can't be involved in injustice.
02:00:59.460 Therefore, probably the most merciful thing is that they simply go out of existence in one way or another, either totally or in a sense of the shield concept that I mentioned before.
02:01:11.740 It's simply the semi-existence like you have in the Old Testament.
02:01:14.600 This is Justin Martyr's view of the immortality of soul.
02:01:18.820 And I got it from him, and John Damascus has a tendency to go that way, too.
02:01:25.340 I don't understand if the law that we try to follow in the church is applied to everybody.
02:01:30.880 That seems absurd to every living human being.
02:01:33.000 That seems absurd and very unjust.
02:01:34.420 You know, it could have been me.
02:01:37.580 I only converted in my 20s.
02:01:40.480 You know, so this is...
02:01:41.000 There but for the grace of God go by, right?
02:01:42.880 Exactly.
02:01:43.360 So, you know, but how can they burn for eternity?
02:01:47.020 You know, um...
02:01:48.180 Yeah, no, that's a good point.
02:01:49.920 Well, I think we're under, um...
02:01:51.540 The only issue is, I don't want to cut you off there, but we're under, we have a little bit of a time constraint.
02:01:55.320 So I want to kind of get the practical material out to our viewers, and then we can maybe come back a later date and just talk and maybe talk about theology.
02:02:02.640 So we talked a little bit about, you know, infestation.
02:02:06.880 So I think the other thing is, the most conspicuous is, you know, possession.
02:02:12.200 This is something that we're intimately familiar with from pop culture.
02:02:16.200 You know, this is the subject of many, many, you know, horror films.
02:02:20.320 This is, you know, kind of the arch fear for many people, you know, demonic possession,
02:02:24.580 where the human body no longer serves as a host for the sovereign will of its spirit,
02:02:32.640 but rather serves as a tool for a demon.
02:02:38.200 So, there are...
02:02:40.480 The first thing to note, these are incredibly rare.
02:02:43.640 They happen very, very seldomly.
02:02:48.260 Because God is in total control.
02:02:51.460 These demons have no power compared to him.
02:02:53.760 His sovereignty is absolute.
02:02:55.640 But when they do occur, you know, there are several very distinct and clear signs that these exist.
02:03:03.620 The first we talked about a little bit earlier on, which is, you know, occult knowledge.
02:03:07.600 People can, you know, speak perfect Coptic or Phonician or Latin,
02:03:12.020 despite the fact that they're eight years old, and they don't know how to read.
02:03:14.560 They, you know, they know, they grip scientific methods or scientific concepts, technical concepts,
02:03:21.980 or have knowledge about people they can have no way of knowing.
02:03:24.720 Their avoidance.
02:03:27.180 The second aspect is occult powers, in that sense.
02:03:32.720 You know, 13-year-olds that can throw grown men across a room.
02:03:36.420 Okay, who can, you know, levitate and fly around, right?
02:03:44.000 You telekinetically, you know, shoot chairs across the room.
02:03:47.560 These are pretty conspicuous signs.
02:03:50.080 The third is a heavy aversion to holy things.
02:03:53.660 They can't stand to be in church.
02:03:55.360 They can't stand to be around holy people.
02:03:56.820 They can't stand to pray.
02:03:57.800 They can't stand anything that's been blessed, holy images, anything that's beautiful and good.
02:04:01.840 There's a fourth, but I can't remember it.
02:04:08.940 I think it has something to do with the fracturing of a personality, essentially.
02:04:15.000 That the individual, if they're possessed, there will be periods of their time where they just don't remember at all what was going on.
02:04:22.460 They, you know, they have no control over their actions.
02:04:27.100 You know, they lose consciousness.
02:04:28.540 And even one or two of these things alone might not necessarily be sufficient proof.
02:04:33.400 But if you see two or three together, yeah, that's a pretty good inclination.
02:04:40.100 Yeah, manifestations of hysteria sound and look very much like, including super strength.
02:04:46.580 I'm not flying around the room or levitating.
02:04:49.060 But hysteria can manifest in ways that are extremely similar to what we consider, you know, possession would be.
02:04:55.540 Guttural voices and twisted, you know.
02:04:57.460 But I've seen it.
02:04:59.540 So these marks the church has had to lay out, this is something that you can't explain.
02:05:05.480 I think maybe the fourth thing you mentioned was the ability to know.
02:05:09.600 Sometimes they'll bless an object and hide it in the room, and they'll know it's there.
02:05:14.240 No way they could possibly know that.
02:05:18.320 But the fracturing of the personality, I think what you mean, and I got this from Malachi Martin back when I was in college.
02:05:23.520 Demon doesn't want to be identified.
02:05:26.640 You know, it's like the Meditudes when they took over Florence.
02:05:28.240 Florence, they had puppets in power.
02:05:31.100 You know, bankers, they don't want people to know that they're there.
02:05:33.660 Everything they do is deceit.
02:05:35.320 The job of the exorcist is to draw the demon out and make sure that there's a definite distinction between the personality, the victim, and the demon.
02:05:43.500 And that takes a long – that's the big – that's the victory right there.
02:05:46.980 Once the demon is forced to reveal himself, that's when the victory is won.
02:05:53.280 And, you know, I think Malachi – I learned a lot from Malachi Martin despite all the problems there because the Orthodox do the exact same thing as he does.
02:05:59.500 Yeah, and I think that one of the most – somebody I learned a lot about this theology from is a Catholic Latin mass priest by the name of Father Chad Ripperger, Ripperger, the FSSP.
02:06:14.240 He's a – you know, he's got a doctorate in philosophy and psychology.
02:06:18.420 He's a practicing exorcist, and he's an ascetic.
02:06:21.940 And he's a very, very erudite smart fellow.
02:06:24.520 I mean, he's Thomas to the maximum, but one of the things about exorcists is I think that their theology – their practical theory of spiritual theology is highly reliable because it's evidence-based.
02:06:37.240 You know, I mean, you're going to quickly find out if something's real or not when you actually have to apply it to spiritual warfare.
02:06:43.740 One of the things that exorcists have reported is you have to be a certain type of man because one of the things that – once a demon is identified, the first thing they usually do is start screaming your sexual history to everyone in the room.
02:07:00.220 That's a very common tactic they have, usually at ear-piercing volumes.
02:07:03.440 And the ascetic – this is where you really have to be an ascetic.
02:07:07.560 You have to just be able to deal.
02:07:09.120 Now, demons, you know, they mix in lines with truth.
02:07:14.260 They're never quite sure, you know, what's real and what isn't.
02:07:18.420 But this is what they do.
02:07:20.320 You really have to be not only a true ascetic and be as pure as possible, but you have to be prepared for this kind of thing.
02:07:25.560 And the knowledge that, you know, be very personal things is another one of these marks that distinguish possession from hysteria.
02:07:33.440 And then the fourth category that's typically given is demonic infestation.
02:07:40.340 This is when a demon has particular control over an object or a location.
02:07:47.040 So, you know, when people run into poltergeists, as an example, these are not ghosts or shades or specters.
02:07:55.540 These are demons that have rooted themselves in a particular place.
02:08:01.420 Usually it's because there has been some great spiritual rupture there.
02:08:07.640 A great battle has taken place.
02:08:10.020 I can give you a good example from my own personal life.
02:08:12.940 A friend of my mother bought a house in the downtown in the city where I live, and it used to be owned by the archdiocese back in the early 20th century.
02:08:21.980 And they used it as a convalescent house and a house for the poor.
02:08:27.440 So poor families would go live there or people who were sick would go live there.
02:08:31.020 When the Spanish flu came in, five whole families died in that house of the Spanish flu.
02:08:38.120 When my friend moved in there, my mother's friend moved in there, he was infested with demons and ghosts.
02:08:46.580 Absolutely infested with demons and ghosts.
02:08:50.280 He moves in there.
02:08:51.820 He lays down in his bed the first time in the night, and he can feel something get into bed with him.
02:08:58.760 The mattress depresses.
02:09:00.840 He can feel the presence.
02:09:02.020 And it was just absolutely crazy.
02:09:04.640 I mean, eventually he got them out, but it was – that's a good textbook example.
02:09:14.240 So those are kind of the extraordinary categories of influence that you will sometimes see with demons.
02:09:20.480 Now, here's the last part of the subject, I think, is what do we do to combat them?
02:09:25.340 How can we avoid their influence?
02:09:28.320 How do we actually engage in a spiritual warfare?
02:09:30.280 I'll leave it to the actual priest in the room to give the explanation.
02:09:36.640 Well, you know, I could give very, very good advice on this kind of thing.
02:09:40.460 And maybe one of these days I'll take a little bit of it.
02:09:44.860 You know, the – unfortunately, in 2017, we have very little choice but to cut ourselves off as much as humanly possible.
02:09:53.340 It's not exactly the most attractive thing.
02:09:58.220 But to build what I like to call islands of sanity, whether it be the family or even just yourself or even a handful of friends, create a space that when you walk into it, you don't know what millennium you're in.
02:10:13.460 You saturate yourself with this as much as humanly possible.
02:10:19.120 Cutting yourself off from the world, from technology, you know, of course, some of us have to use it for work.
02:10:25.300 But to cut yourself off as much as humanly possible is pretty much what we're left with, to surround ourselves with the icons and the holy books and everything else.
02:10:37.680 Sacred music is actually really a big part of this and to have it in the background like I do when I'm doing work.
02:10:42.620 Look, this is pretty much what we have.
02:10:46.720 We're not in a position even where traditional churches are losing ground in this respect, and I don't trust most of them.
02:10:55.160 It's – the struggle is getting worse and worse when the traditionalists, in our case, traditionalists or orthodox, can be just as bad as anybody else.
02:11:06.060 Being a traditionalist doesn't mean that you're a decent guy.
02:11:08.020 It just means that you believe things differently.
02:11:09.900 Cutting yourself off, building a little tiny monastery wherever you live, and creating this as a little island of sanity in the sea of disease that we're forced to live in, this is pretty much what we have left.
02:11:26.680 Fair enough.
02:11:28.100 So as far as day-to-day practices, I guess the number one thing is to actually just fight your own passions.
02:11:35.340 It's that the less you give in to the temptations of the enemy, the less power they have over you.
02:11:44.080 Yeah, so practical advice.
02:11:47.620 What do we do?
02:11:48.260 What is to be done?
02:11:49.880 Right?
02:11:50.380 So the first thing to do is to pray.
02:11:54.820 That is the number one first thing to do is just start praying.
02:12:01.700 And, okay, I get it.
02:12:03.860 You know, many of our listeners, maybe they're not necessarily believers.
02:12:08.320 Maybe they're not even necessarily Christians.
02:12:10.420 Right?
02:12:11.980 But, you know…
02:12:15.460 You're going to have to deal with it.
02:12:16.360 You're going to have to deal with it.
02:12:17.920 So, yeah, I mean, the way I describe it, it's like lifting for the soul.
02:12:22.240 I mean, you have to pray every day.
02:12:24.260 I mean, just as a baseline.
02:12:28.140 And that's difficult for people who are not…
02:12:30.260 I mean, like when you go to the gym, it's very difficult at first.
02:12:33.420 You know, you don't know how to lift properly.
02:12:35.860 Even a small amount of weight feels insurmountable.
02:12:38.520 When you do lift, you're tired for days afterwards, out of energy.
02:12:43.620 But then, once you learn how to do it, you can't live without it.
02:12:47.020 Right.
02:12:48.000 So, you know, if you've made the determination, whether it's the, I'm going to get in shape,
02:12:53.840 I'm going to start lifting, or I'm going to start praying, you know,
02:12:56.940 one of my favorite expressions is baby steps, then goose steps, right?
02:13:01.940 So, you know, start small.
02:13:03.900 Make a small commitment.
02:13:05.020 Do something every morning or every night or at meals.
02:13:08.920 Hey, here's an idea.
02:13:09.700 Say grace before you eat.
02:13:11.880 You know, make a commitment.
02:13:13.680 Keep it up.
02:13:14.120 Many of the modern-day church fathers will tell you that's the best idea.
02:13:19.960 A lot of us, we convert.
02:13:21.580 We get very excited.
02:13:22.940 And so we make these plans of living, you know, in the woods somewhere, you know, like St. Seraphim.
02:13:29.500 And we end up being disappointed and disillusioned.
02:13:33.260 Excessive rigidity means that we can't give way.
02:13:36.500 We can't give at all.
02:13:37.320 So the first big wind that comes around, we crack.
02:13:40.400 The smaller things.
02:13:42.300 Saying vespers every night.
02:13:43.280 If you could pull that off, you know, you are better off than most Christians.
02:13:49.660 And these services are designed for people in our position.
02:13:53.340 They're designed to help us in the struggle.
02:13:55.560 So that's an extremely good point.
02:13:58.240 Keep it small.
02:13:58.960 Keep it moderate.
02:14:00.200 And if God wants you to do more, it will manifest itself.
02:14:04.880 Right.
02:14:05.840 Would you care to talk about, like, sacramentals or holy or blessed objects in the role of spiritual warfare?
02:14:15.180 St. John Christum says that the sacramentals or even the sacraments themselves are simply manifestations of God's grace.
02:14:24.060 St. John Christum says that the big difference between Orthodox and Catholic thinking is actually the center of it, in my view, is created grace.
02:14:34.040 Created versus uncreated.
02:14:36.020 The Orthodox view at Paschka, there was one.
02:14:38.800 The Eden had been restored in the church.
02:14:41.360 That's what grace is.
02:14:43.620 It is not something that gets kind of applied to people from bishops.
02:14:47.120 You know, they throw it at us.
02:14:48.360 They dispense it to us.
02:14:49.760 That's heresy.
02:14:50.360 All the sacramentals do is continuously remind us where this grace is.
02:14:57.000 That's what anything does.
02:14:59.460 A sacrament could be, whether it be confession or whatever it is.
02:15:02.540 These are really nothing more than because we have bodies.
02:15:06.040 We're not just pure spirits.
02:15:08.060 We are given physical manifestations of spiritual things.
02:15:13.420 We need those.
02:15:15.740 And this is how we're constituted.
02:15:18.400 The big battle between the so-called name worshippers actually, where very few people realize, is actually about that.
02:15:24.320 That these are manifestations of grace.
02:15:27.460 And therefore, the content that they encapsulate is divine.
02:15:32.960 That's actually what the name worship controversy is.
02:15:34.780 And it's been so abused and destroyed.
02:15:40.480 So the concept of sacramentals is caught up with this.
02:15:45.980 They do nothing more than encapsulate and point out where this grace is and what it is.
02:15:51.400 I guess the best way you could do it, I mean, they're icons.
02:15:57.380 I mean, they're symbols.
02:16:00.060 In the broad sense, yeah.
02:16:01.460 Yeah.
02:16:02.840 In that they bring the supernatural reality imminently to us.
02:16:07.900 And then vice versa, direct us to it.
02:16:12.360 Think of, you know, pornography as the icon of the devil.
02:16:16.180 Our icons and sacramentals are the opposite.
02:16:17.820 Perfect.
02:16:23.780 Okay.
02:16:24.780 I feel as if any parting comments you'd like to make?
02:16:28.900 Or I think we should proceed into the second.
02:16:31.580 Kelly, you can use.
02:16:33.040 Yeah.
02:16:33.720 So the last thing I would say is if there's anyone out there who is experiencing something extraordinary,
02:16:42.000 something preternatural in your house or in your personal life,
02:16:46.680 the practical advice is to start with something sacramental.
02:16:54.220 Start with holy water or holy salt or holy oil.
02:16:58.500 Apply that liberally.
02:17:01.120 And one of two things will happen.
02:17:02.560 The problem will get better or it will get worse.
02:17:06.380 If it gets better, great.
02:17:07.780 If it gets worse, go talk to your priest.
02:17:09.700 Yeah, there's really no, I mean, that's the thing.
02:17:13.920 There's no way around this.
02:17:16.380 I mean, if you're not religious, there's no way around this without God's grace.
02:17:20.740 That's one thing that we didn't cover, but I think I'm going to make it very add.
02:17:24.500 You know, spiritual warfare is really, for the most part, not actually done by us.
02:17:29.200 This is the distinct Christian contribution of this system is that it is not our, you know,
02:17:37.840 the will of the gods against the will of the titans.
02:17:40.260 It's not our will to power against the twisted demonic and evil will.
02:17:45.760 It's God's will.
02:17:47.620 It's the Logos manifesting itself in us through his energy, through his grace.
02:17:52.260 Because when you are in a death struggle against a demon, you know, you're not as powerful as they are when it comes to those things.
02:18:03.360 But God is infinitely more powerful than they are.
02:18:07.080 And so you need his grace or you will die.
02:18:10.280 You will be defeated.
02:18:11.540 The world will conquer you.
02:18:14.040 But God is so merciful that every time you ask for it, he will give you.
02:18:17.480 He will give you everything you need to defeat them and more.
02:18:19.920 So that's where the prayer comes in, is prayer.
02:18:23.500 Pray, pray, pray.
02:18:24.380 Every time you have a temptation, say a little prayer.
02:18:28.080 You know, ask a saint to pray for you.
02:18:31.680 If you're blessed, St. Agnes, pray for me.
02:18:34.020 Virgin Mary, pray for me.
02:18:35.180 Jesus Christ, assist me.
02:18:37.000 Blood of God, help me.
02:18:38.720 These kind of things.
02:18:40.220 Lord have mercy.
02:18:41.440 Lord have mercy.
02:18:43.080 Right?
02:18:44.520 And that's, practically speaking, that's the number one biggest thing.
02:18:47.400 It's just, you have to realize that it's not you.
02:18:51.240 And I've been in these circumstances before where I am.
02:18:53.820 That's the way I looked at it, is that, you know, spiritual, I mean, it was, prayers were incantations.
02:18:59.460 You know, priests were wizards.
02:19:04.220 You know, grace is mana.
02:19:07.040 This is not how it is.
02:19:09.280 This is not how it is.
02:19:10.280 And so, um, yeah, that's basically it.
02:19:15.140 I mean, you know, long and short of it, if you've got any questions, do not hesitate to contact any of us.
02:19:22.800 We're more than willing to, glad to help and assist.
02:19:26.780 This is the whole reason why this show exists, is to do just that.
02:19:30.120 Now, having, uh, I think that's more or less the conclusion of this segment, unless anybody else would like to chime in.
02:19:38.100 No?
02:19:38.480 Well, that's a good sign.
02:19:39.820 Uh, so I'm just going to, uh, bring a few more people on right now.
02:19:43.460 We're going to move into the second part of the show here, which is Kali Yuga News.
02:19:50.460 Now, uh, Will, uh, Freelance, are you there?
02:19:55.820 Can you hear me, my friend?
02:19:57.900 Thank you very much for joining us.
02:19:59.540 Uh, we just finished the spiritual warfare section of the show.
02:20:02.160 Uh, we're going to be moving into, uh, Kali Yuga News.
02:20:05.680 You on a little break right now?
02:20:07.500 No, actually, we're recording.
02:20:09.140 Oh, shit!
02:20:10.620 You think you'll be alright?
02:20:11.880 Yeah, I'll be fine.
02:20:12.920 Okay, you have the notes?
02:20:14.560 Yeah, yeah, I got, I received the notes.
02:20:17.020 Fantastic.
02:20:17.820 Fantastic.
02:20:18.220 So, um, usually what I do is, is everybody, you know, can pick, pick a story that they
02:20:23.040 want to cover, um, you know, let's see here.
02:20:26.300 Uh, I will cover, uh, first, Catholic Church opens chapel for Muhammadans.
02:20:34.180 Uh, this is from churchmilitant.com.
02:20:39.480 Uh, this is a chaplain, from the chaplain here.
02:20:42.840 My line is, Christians should be inclined to share.
02:20:45.720 Last week, Vaticanista Marco Tosati commented on his blog on the initiative promoted by the
02:20:52.940 chaplain in charge of the chapel inside of Malpensa Airport in Milan.
02:20:57.180 Monsignor Rogero Camanni, priest in the Milanese Airport, made news in 2016 for his notable
02:21:02.740 generosity towards foreigners in difficulty, but also for providing a space for Muslim prayer
02:21:08.000 inside the chapel dedicated to Our Lady of Loretto.
02:21:11.120 Uh, uh, as the Catholic blog, Auntie Catum Camunisto points out, the cult of Loretto,
02:21:19.000 according to tradition, was born in 1291 when crusaders were thrown into the sea, and the
02:21:24.240 Latin kingdom of Jerusalem was conquered by Muslim slave soldiers, and the house of the
02:21:27.600 Holy Family of Nazareth was taken by the angels to the Italian city of Loretto.
02:21:32.060 Uh, uh, so this is, this is literally a, uh, you know, symbolically a, uh, you know, the
02:21:39.800 defeat of the crusade forces.
02:21:47.000 Tell me now.
02:21:48.400 The fruit of Vatican II continues to ripen.
02:21:51.860 Hmm.
02:21:52.240 I mean, uh, I just, you know, there's a certain, there's, sometimes I read these stories and
02:22:01.820 I don't really, I don't, I don't know what to say.
02:22:03.700 I mean, I think that they kind of speak for themselves.
02:22:05.440 It's just, it's like, you know, um, uh, what, what, what can you say?
02:22:17.980 I mean, it's like, it's like, you can't even, like, what are you supposed to say?
02:22:24.540 Like, it's, it's like finding a dead raccoon in your fucking bed when you wake up.
02:22:28.940 Bullshit.
02:22:29.440 It's fucking worse.
02:22:30.400 It's horrible.
02:22:32.180 Yeah.
02:22:33.040 What is this?
02:22:34.720 Yeah, yeah.
02:22:35.580 I mean, it just, you know, I mean, you know, these guys are aiding and abetting, uh, these
02:22:40.380 invaders, defiling our civilization and our temples and our women.
02:22:43.280 Uh, you know, um, I think the first thing to say is that, um, I think it was, uh, St.
02:22:54.040 Uh, St. John Chrysostom who told us that the road to hell is paved with the skulls of
02:22:58.600 erringing priests with bishops for their signposts.
02:23:04.600 Yeah, I mean, severely their chastisement will be great in the year after.
02:23:09.020 Um, there's not much else.
02:23:11.900 I mean, like, you know, uh, this is like a doctor who, uh, you know, in, in a, uh, this
02:23:19.760 is like a doctor in an HIV war that lets in a whole bunch of HIV-infected Negroes and heroin
02:23:25.300 addicts to come and hang out there so that they can be in solidarity with people who have
02:23:29.940 AIDS.
02:23:30.480 Like, that's basically what's going on.
02:23:32.700 Yeah, pretty much.
02:23:33.540 Um, and, you know, and then, of course, everybody shoots up and the AIDS proliferates.
02:23:39.140 Yeah, that's, that's what's going on.
02:23:40.320 So, I don't even think we need to cover this longer.
02:23:43.200 Uh, would anybody else like to pick a story and cover it?
02:23:45.340 I mean.
02:23:46.260 Yeah, I, I really, I want to give myself a little bit of an ego boost here.
02:23:50.400 Here we go.
02:23:50.960 I want to give a complete story.
02:23:52.740 Um, when I look at this guy, you know, I, um, I really want to read the byline here
02:23:58.460 just to give people a context of what's going on.
02:24:00.120 Oh, all right, uh, uh, Maybelline, uh, referring to the, uh, cosmetics manufacturer, throws
02:24:06.540 women under the bus for their first gay ambassador.
02:24:10.040 In other words, uh, this is a man, uh, you know, biologically speaking, dressed, uh, like
02:24:16.860 a woman with, with, um, makeup and everything else, trying to look as feminine as humanly
02:24:20.360 possible.
02:24:20.700 Um, that is now their big ambassador.
02:24:24.400 Um, and I think what, what they mean is by women under the bus is that this supposed
02:24:28.580 to be strictly a female thing.
02:24:30.560 And, but now they've given it to a biological man.
02:24:33.620 Um, and the, the, the thing now, um, one of my great successes in life is that I have
02:24:43.200 two teenage boys that are really extraordinary or better than I was Betty.
02:24:48.440 Um, they're a students, both in, in gifted school.
02:24:51.420 Um, they're both normal in that respect.
02:24:54.360 They're, um, athletes.
02:24:55.640 They're popular.
02:24:56.220 They have a lot of friends, you know, and I asked myself, you know, am I that superior
02:25:01.100 to the world that, that, that this is what I create?
02:25:03.960 No, it's, that it's really not that hard to be there for them, to be consistent, to
02:25:09.620 control your emotions at a young age, to expose them to the same rather than the same thing.
02:25:14.260 Now, I mentioned that because the guy's father writes here, uh, to someone who hates the,
02:25:20.760 uh, uh, who hates the facts.
02:25:23.740 It wasn't even someone who hates the facts.
02:25:25.540 It's someone who tweeted the post and said, fathers, raise your children.
02:25:30.080 Oh, right, right.
02:25:30.540 Yeah.
02:25:30.680 Well, you know, it's been pretty well established that, that homosexual men overwhelmingly come
02:25:36.560 from households without a father.
02:25:38.940 Um, and that's really one very consistent variable here.
02:25:42.500 And I think, I'm hoping what the guy is here, is saying here, is he's making reference to
02:25:46.780 that, that this guy is mentally ill, that this guy did not have a father, uh, at least
02:25:52.920 that was there for him to raise him properly.
02:25:54.480 And this is the, the sickness that you get from that family, that, that natural unit is
02:25:58.520 destroyed.
02:25:58.840 Now, the father, and when I'm reading his response, he threatens a guy here, um, vaguely.
02:26:05.680 Uh, he says, going forward, I will choose your actions and words wisely.
02:26:10.060 Just like you would do anything for your family.
02:26:11.960 I would do, um, and what I'm reading here is a father who is broken.
02:26:20.040 He's lashing up because he knows the truth of the matter.
02:26:24.220 I guarantee you, I'll bet my car, that this father is loaded with regret, that he didn't
02:26:30.480 do something, he wasn't there, something like that, uh, that led to this poor man.
02:26:35.860 And, you know, I, I pity these guys.
02:26:37.420 They're mentally ill.
02:26:38.120 They're freaks.
02:26:38.600 Uh, they need treatment not to be given jobs and positions like this and makeup and indulgence.
02:26:45.300 And as a father for many years, I'm reading this thing and I'm almost feeling sorry for
02:26:51.000 the father because it, it's like, you know, a broken man just lashing out somebody who points
02:26:57.860 out just how broken he is and the results of his brokenness and his failures many years
02:27:03.420 ago.
02:27:03.640 Um, uh, and so the more I read this thing, um, the more I realize, uh, the, the, the essential,
02:27:10.160 the foundational nature of the family, this is what happens when the ego is stressed above
02:27:15.600 the natural units and the natural order and the regret that this father must feel and self-hatred
02:27:20.620 because he knows he, he has some responsibility for the sickness of this, of this kid.
02:27:26.680 Um, uh, you know, um, it's, it's, it's, it breaks my heart because, you know,
02:27:34.300 kids don't come out of the womb, you know, like my kids did.
02:27:37.520 I had a vision for them.
02:27:39.180 Uh, my ex-wife and I worked very, very hard to give them that foundation and it worked.
02:27:43.900 Um, this guy, something must have happened.
02:27:45.800 Something broke it early on and he is lashing out here as a result.
02:27:50.380 And I feel bad for him and I feel bad for the fangs because, you know, they are all sick people.
02:27:56.180 Something's happened to them or there's something, there's a short circuit in their brains that
02:27:59.580 led to this.
02:28:00.380 Many times they've been sexually abused as children.
02:28:02.880 That's a very common denominator.
02:28:05.500 It's a huge term.
02:28:05.940 I know, I know people in my own life, literally, who managed to actually abandon this, but this
02:28:11.600 is what happened to make them a fag and they, you know, uh, uh, and eventually they, they
02:28:17.320 walked away from it.
02:28:18.760 The scientific evidence for that, the, the sexual abuse and the abandonment by a father
02:28:22.960 is overwhelming.
02:28:24.620 And, um, and those things are often related.
02:28:26.800 Or sometimes it's, um, overbearing mother and distant father.
02:28:33.040 Yes.
02:28:33.600 Which is, which isn't that different.
02:28:35.060 The domination of the feminine and the father seeming to be the perpetual victim.
02:28:38.520 Uh, I feel sorry for both people here.
02:28:41.460 Yeah, I mean, uh, you know, really, um, I think that, what the, yeah, I mean, you said
02:28:51.420 it all, uh, doctor.
02:28:52.480 It's just, there's, raise your children, uh, fathers.
02:28:55.520 And, um, I mean, the, the father is the icon of God, uh, in the home.
02:29:00.900 Um, uh, hey, freelance.
02:29:04.820 Yeah.
02:29:05.720 I thought you could maybe mute your microphone when you're typing.
02:29:07.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:29:08.300 Sorry.
02:29:09.060 Okay, but, um, if I were to, oh, sorry, go ahead.
02:29:12.120 Yeah, I know, no, but the father is the icon of God and the state in the home is the state's
02:29:17.200 authority comes from the authority of the father.
02:29:23.720 The family is the root of the political.
02:29:26.520 Exactly.
02:29:26.880 Of the polis.
02:29:27.480 And so we live in an age that would, that has openly completely rejected.
02:29:31.580 But this guy as Maybelline's gay ambassador is, is the, the most heart rendering product.
02:29:38.340 If I were debating this guy, I would not be confrontational at all.
02:29:43.540 I would, I would be, I would tell him, I would say, here's why you're, you know, threatening
02:29:47.280 me.
02:29:48.200 I don't care what you say, what you do, you know, and you shouldn't be, you know, I try
02:29:52.080 to be as compassionate as possible with this guy.
02:29:54.620 Not back down, but say, this is why you're doing this.
02:29:59.240 Uh, maybe it's not too late.
02:30:00.300 Who knows?
02:30:00.820 Maybe he could still make this right.
02:30:02.700 But in threatening this guy, uh, over something so trivial and minor, that's screaming to me
02:30:07.780 that this guy is hurting, that this guy did something or didn't do something to lead to
02:30:12.380 this, uh, this free.
02:30:13.400 Precisely.
02:30:17.400 Now, uh, uh, Doc, do you want to pick an article?
02:30:21.280 Yeah.
02:30:21.660 So, uh, I guess I'll take, uh, the Zog Speaks.
02:30:26.520 Ah, Zog Speaks in the election.
02:30:29.860 Please go ahead.
02:30:30.680 If you just mention the source and the byline.
02:30:33.260 Yep.
02:30:33.460 So, uh, our headline is from Russia Today, RT, uh, headline, Theresa May won't last and
02:30:44.060 Donald Trump is a would-be dictator, says George Soros.
02:30:49.300 British Prime Minister Theresa May won't last long in office.
02:30:58.980 U.S. President-elect Donald Trump is little more than a would-be dictator, according to
02:31:04.180 billionaire George Soros.
02:31:06.380 Speaking on Thursday at the Davos Economic Forum, ahead of Trump's inauguration, the
02:31:11.560 investors and philanthropists told the audience of business people and journalists that May
02:31:18.060 would likely not survive the Brexit process, which he predicted, once fulfilled, could see
02:31:23.380 the U.K. simply rejoin again anyway.
02:31:26.980 Quote,
02:31:27.920 In my opinion, it is unlikely that the Prime Minister May is actually going to remain in
02:31:33.220 power.
02:31:33.920 Already, she has a very divided cabinet, a very small majority in Parliament, and I think
02:31:38.640 she will not last.
02:31:40.300 You want a little help here, Doc?
02:31:41.560 At the moment, the people in the United Kingdom are in denial.
02:31:48.120 The current economic situation is not as bad as was predicted, and they live in hope.
02:31:52.960 But as the currency deprecates, and inflation will bring the driving force, this will lead
02:31:57.900 to a declining in living standards.
02:31:59.820 Who could possibly be behind the inflation, I wonder?
02:32:04.440 Oh, wait, isn't this the same guy that broke the pound?
02:32:07.980 The guy who's speculating on the pound?
02:32:11.540 He said he hoped the divorce would not be a bitter one, that both the EU and UK would
02:32:20.920 see sense in their shared common ground.
02:32:24.900 However, the entrepreneur saved his harshest words for Trump, saying his fellow tycoon is
02:32:29.340 no more than an imposter and con man who is already gearing up for a trade war, and would almost
02:32:37.960 certainly have a very far-reaching effect in Europe and other parts of the world.
02:32:42.000 Like, does this guy realize how much he sounds like a Bond villain?
02:32:52.460 Put the words right out of my mouth.
02:32:54.460 Yeah, I think maybe that's, like, that's the aesthetic he's going for.
02:32:57.560 Like, he's, you know, he's trying to be...
02:33:00.000 Like, because he is, he's a fucking Bond villain.
02:33:04.280 It's like, I watched Goldfinger once, I think this is what I want to base my life around.
02:33:09.480 So you see, you see Mr. Rain had hatred, your SS men will never be able to assassinate me.
02:33:16.580 I'm behind seven underground bases.
02:33:18.580 I mean, it's just like, you know, I mean, uh, talk about eternal chastise, but fucking George Soros.
02:33:32.980 I mean, Dr. Johnson, you know, I know that you have strong feelings about George Soros.
02:33:38.380 I mean, uh, probably for you.
02:33:41.220 You know, I even have stronger feelings over the best Mort Goldman impression I've ever heard in my life.
02:33:46.040 Oh, you're not, you're not familiar, uh, uh, Dr. Johnson.
02:33:50.940 I guess you're not familiar with our, uh, Mossad handler, uh, Moysheh Ben-Tilamid.
02:33:55.960 He's, uh, he's actually the, the man I work for.
02:34:00.440 Do you mean that the Mort Goldman impression was done by accident?
02:34:04.400 No, no, I mean to you, Dr. Johnson, that, uh, Moysheh is, uh, Moysheh is a very peculiar character who, uh, who I work for.
02:34:13.180 He's, he's, uh, part of Assad, and I'm, uh, his, uh, his, uh, his asset.
02:34:17.720 And I create this entire podcast merely to be, uh, you know, I'm Florian Geyer.
02:34:23.340 He's really the alter ego of Moysheh, and really I'm, uh, you know, part of the MKUltra, uh, co-op, a co-intel program to destroy, uh, the alt-right by, um, agitating against, uh, fags and, uh, racist liberalism.
02:34:35.800 Yeah, I knew that. I figured that they'd be paying you better, though.
02:34:40.640 Yeah, well, you know, listen, Dr. Johnson, I mean, I have some very nice IKEA furniture in my bachelor apartment.
02:34:46.880 That, that would follow, yes, from, from IKEA to doubt.
02:34:50.780 Yes, it's the, uh, IKEA nationalism.
02:34:53.540 Yeah, we have to make a living, you know, we all have to make a living somehow.
02:34:56.480 Truly, truly, as you say.
02:34:58.780 How, how could I ever afford to, uh, anyway, I'm not going to follow this route for me.
02:35:03.020 So, yeah, I could go all the way, man, so.
02:35:05.620 Truly, truly, yeah.
02:35:07.500 I, uh, it leads directly to hell.
02:35:09.720 So, Freelance, do you want to, do you want to pick an article, my friend, and be the last guest you want to hear?
02:35:15.060 Uh, yeah, yeah, I got one in mind.
02:35:16.940 Um, this one is, uh, NPR Nig Kike.
02:35:20.420 Will racism end when old bigots die?
02:35:23.700 Good question.
02:35:24.960 Good question.
02:35:25.560 I can read a forward, a little bit of a forward for this.
02:35:27.620 I don't want to, like, read the whole thing part of it.
02:35:28.680 Please, please.
02:35:28.940 A mutant freak named Leah Dinella, a half-kike Nigroid, has written an article for NPR theorizing that the racial hatreds in America will end when old people die.
02:35:40.220 Look at the sick Nig Kike, and there's a picture of her.
02:35:42.840 The whole Jew face is evident, even with the half-Nig shaking my damn head.
02:35:47.700 Those Jew genes are strong, huh?
02:35:49.960 Not even the genes of the Nigroid can hide them.
02:35:52.620 Wow.
02:35:53.580 Classic English writing here, like, really.
02:35:55.500 It's really just driving this home.
02:35:59.320 Nig Kike's entire premise, a meme which has been spread by other Jews and blacks, including the nasty old black bitch Oprah, is that with each generation, people are becoming less and less racist.
02:36:10.340 And that, as time progresses, racism will head down towards zero.
02:36:14.060 And hilariously the opposite of what we are seeing.
02:36:16.220 Yeah, well, that's the thing, and this is the reason why I chose this article, is because I've heard this same point spouted from liberal family members of mine.
02:36:23.880 You know, that, oh, well, you know, all those old races are just dying off.
02:36:28.860 It's funny, too.
02:36:29.880 And I guess you have to laugh.
02:36:31.500 I mean, because, you know, like, highly religious fundamentalist families have the highest birth rate in the United States in almost any demographic.
02:36:39.460 Like, it's funny, though, because, like, honestly, like, the more I see of this shit in D.C., it's like, it's so fucking clear to anyone it's not fucking true.
02:36:49.120 Like, I'm not even trying to go, like, you know, Democrats, real racist bullshit here.
02:36:52.780 It's just, like, it's fucking, I don't think I've seen this much civil fucking turmoil in this country, honestly, since the fucking 60s.
02:37:01.480 So it is, it is fucking, it's fucking stupid.
02:37:06.800 Yeah, I mean, it's just, I don't even know what there is to say.
02:37:13.240 I mean, it's manifestly evident that this is not the case.
02:37:15.980 You know, that's because the people who think like us, they actually, you know, they're interested in having families and raising them well, and their offspring will have children.
02:37:25.160 Whereas the people who, you know, are our enemies, they usually don't have families, and if they do, you know, they have one or two kids, and a lot of times they come out to be faggots or cat ladies, you know, I mean.
02:37:38.460 Thank God for that.
02:37:39.380 Are cat ladies the same, similar to faggots?
02:37:41.860 They are.
02:37:42.320 They're a faggot in a group.
02:37:43.000 I mean, that's the, you know, the cat lady is, in fact, the ideological support for the faggot.
02:37:49.960 I mean, faggotry is enabled by, you know, like, overbearing, you know, motherhood, like this clucking hen, you know, cat lady mentality, where her maternal instincts are directed from, you know, or deviate from the logos because there's no masculine balance in the household to, you know, essentially overindulgence, and that's how you get faggots.
02:38:13.160 Oh, I appreciate the explanation.
02:38:15.420 Thank you.
02:38:16.180 No problem.
02:38:17.280 Yeah, and I mean, that's the thing.
02:38:18.560 And so the, I mean, the left is composed of a huge amount of it.
02:38:23.780 The ideological left is composed of these, you know, bitter cat ladies who have, their wombs have dried up, and so they replace the void in their hearts, not with God, not with their community, not even, you know, with work or, you know, the output of their labor, but with cats and leftist shitposting.
02:38:44.040 And Grey's Anatomy, you know, expensive wine, trips to southern France, Belize, you know, and it doesn't make sense.
02:38:53.260 It's funny because, like, you're describing it like a stereotype, but, like, I've met fucking cat ladies, like, to a fucking team with the Grey's Anatomy shit.
02:39:00.260 It's fucking sad.
02:39:01.140 Yes, the Grey's Anatomy, it's a conspicuous, it's a conspicuous identifier.
02:39:04.460 That's, like, a very common, I don't know why it is, bourgeois women.
02:39:09.180 Bourgeois women love Grey's Anatomy, a television show, I don't know, if people aren't familiar about it, Doctors and Seattle.
02:39:16.360 Yeah.
02:39:16.880 It's a fucking soap opera with Doctors.
02:39:18.500 That's really all it is.
02:39:19.120 Yeah, I've seen them in Whole Foods quite often.
02:39:22.300 Yes.
02:39:23.200 If you notice in the Rattlesnake here in the comments, there's a beautiful, beautiful meme, feminism, a Jewish war for women.
02:39:31.400 This is something I'm going to be pasting on discussion boards for decades.
02:39:35.820 Oh, glorious.
02:39:37.020 Yeah, I'm going to say that one.
02:39:37.960 Do you know what that is, by any chance?
02:39:39.560 No, I don't know the commenter, but shout out to Rattlesnake and the Stormer comments.
02:39:43.600 Your memes are top tier.
02:39:44.880 There's another fundamental flaw with the Pramai's they're pushing here, besides the obvious biological problem that it's, of course, it is the religious people that they hate that are reproducing more.
02:40:00.820 But the other problem is, of course, that it's easier to turn the other into an abstract, an abstraction, when they're far, far away.
02:40:12.520 But when you bring them close to you, you have to deal with the reality of that person and all of their dysfunctions.
02:40:20.660 So, you know, precisely, I mean, this is this explains, you know, how, why, you know, people from from from from Washington State and Minnesota, these are the only two white demographics in the country that vote majority Democrat.
02:40:34.820 Because those areas are so white that they don't actually have to be exposed to Negroes and other minorities.
02:40:44.100 And I mean, I remember, it's very funny, I actually was explaining this to a family member of mine who she was raised, you know, in a upper middle class, virtual lifestyle in, you know, a very white part of Colorado.
02:40:55.820 You know, spent her entire life away from diversity, and I was explaining to her how I was from a very multicultural city, and I grew up surrounded by, you know, many different ethnicities and religions.
02:41:07.040 And she was like, oh, wow, that's so nice, you know, it's so good that you get the perspective and the diversity.
02:41:11.280 And I just, I looked at her, and I laughed, and I shook my head.
02:41:18.500 It's just, they just don't even understand.
02:41:20.940 I mean, it's like, you know, the, the, nothing has done more to radicalize mean awards of race war, theoretically, not that I would ever break the law, than, you know, pedo game accepting is being on public transportation.
02:41:35.840 Public transportation, public transportation, when you actually are in close proximity with the masses of Somali and Lebanese and Jamaican and Sub-Saharan, I'm trying to, you know, Negroes and San Negroes, you know, you really, it's a biological reaction.
02:42:02.520 There's a real, physical, very biological reaction.
02:42:08.140 Yeah, I have, as somebody who's wrote on public transportation, I can, I can really vouch for that, like, I'll feel a lot more uncomfortable on a bus full of fucking black people than just say, you know, even kind of sketchy looking whites, because it's, it's easier to blend into that kind of fucking crowd, like, if you're not the fucking odd man out, pardon my friend.
02:42:28.040 Yeah, I mean, yeah, we could talk about the sociology of this all day, but we're actually at the perfect place to end our podcast.
02:42:34.580 Unfortunately, yeah, while we're just going to this one, I'm your host, Florian Geyer, thank you for joining us for another episode of Mysterian Fashions.
02:42:45.500 Joining me today, we had Doc Savage, who unfortunately had to bow out just a moment ago, but I would like to thank him, I don't, I don't want to say posthumously, but thank him post facto for joining us, his contributions were great.
02:42:57.260 Joining us late in the program, we had Freelance Autists, who did a little bit of, you know, surfy at shitposting. Thank you, Freelance, you know, we need to get your abilities on more, you're alleged.
02:43:08.520 Always glad to help.
02:43:10.100 God bless.
02:43:11.240 Zyger, are you there?
02:43:13.620 You know, our main man, Zyger, is diligently reporting for us, but is absent at the moment. Thank you, Zyger, for assisting us.
02:43:20.000 Our guest of honor today is Father Raphael Johnson.
02:43:22.940 Father Johnson, you know, it's always a pleasure to have you on.
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02:43:29.540 You know, you and Jay are my favorite shows to go on.
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02:43:38.280 This is, this is a, this is a tremendous show, and this has been my favorite episode so far.
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