Mysterium Fasces

00:00:00.000 That we may receive, that we may receive,

00:00:15.000 Receive the King of all whom comes,

00:00:29.000 Invisibly upon,

00:00:39.000 Invisibly upon,

00:00:49.000 By the angelic host,

00:00:58.000 Invisibly upon,

00:01:14.000 By the angelic host,

00:01:22.000 Invisibly upon,

00:01:28.000 By the angelic host,

00:01:38.000 Alleluia,

00:01:48.000 Alleluia,

00:01:58.000 Alleluia,

00:02:02.000 Alleluia,

00:02:04.000 Alleluia.

00:02:14.000 And for joining us today, we have a very special guest, a man who I greatly admire and whose worldview is basically more cogent than anybody I've ever encountered, with the exception of Raphael Johnson. So we have Jay Dyer, jaysanalysis.com. Thanks, Jay, for joining us.

00:02:32.000 Thank you. Glad to be here.

00:02:36.000 Well, it's, it's really, I'm not exaggerating. It's an honor and a pleasure. I'm a very big fan of your work. And, you know, I would suggest that all of our listeners go out and purchase a subscription because it's really definitely worth the money. Joining me. Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

00:02:52.000 Thank you. Yeah. There will be more philosophy this year. I know that we took the detour into tragedy and hope. But, you know, before that, we were doing Plato. So next there's going to be, I think I'm going to do Marcus Aurelius's meditations will be the next thing I cover.

00:03:08.180 Fantastic. Yeah. The tragedy. I listen to every episode of the tragedy and hope. And I think it's, it's actually absolutely essential just to kind of get a big picture of you. Joining me as co-hosts, I've have Grieva Hans. Thank you, Grieva.

00:03:23.480 Yeah, it's good to be here.

00:03:25.140 And once again, after a little bit of a hiatus, I have Spies. Thank you, Spies.

00:03:30.200 Good to be here. It's good to be on with you, Jay. Big fan.

00:03:33.580 Excellent. So we got a couple of different topics that we want to talk about. I mean, Jay, your area of expertise is so broad and comprehensive that there's so many different things that we could make an entire episode just talking to you about.

00:03:52.600 So I've kind of picked out a few different things, which I think will be useful to discuss. And the first one I think maybe we ought to go into is, you know, esoteric Hollywood.

00:04:02.720 So you, you've just released your new book, esoteric Hollywood. So do you want to talk about, you know, kind of in a little pithy pitch as to what's going on with that?

00:04:14.380 Yeah, sure. I, I like movies and I've always liked movies and I wanted to do comedy. And that's what I always, I always thought I would end up doing when I was younger because I was very active in theater and all that kind of stuff.

00:04:30.500 And then as you get older and you learn more about the world, you realize that, oh, you know, you're like a white dude. You're not really welcome in that world.

00:04:39.000 Unless you pretend to be like a total Democratic Party operative or something.

00:04:46.640 So I kind of, I kind of lost the fervor and zeal that I had for, you know, doing something in terms of, of theater and the arts.

00:04:56.940 So I just went the route of philosophy in college and, and theology. I was, I started at Bible college for a while and then I decided that the Baptist faith was retarded and stupid. 1.00

00:05:07.640 So I got into, and got into for a long time, uh, Catholicism and Thomism and then all that kind of stuff. 0.95

00:05:17.080 And then over the, over the years made my way gradually towards the Orthodox theology and traditional Orthodox thought.

00:05:25.440 And, uh, but all throughout that period, even when I was getting into conspiracy related stuff, when I was like 18 or 19, I was still interested in films, still interested in movies.

00:05:37.120 And it just kind of was a side hobby.

00:05:38.960 So I guess the irony is that even though most of my time and attention and focus was on philosophy and, you know, undergrad and grad school and reading all these guys and going to debates.

00:05:50.920 And I mean, I literally would drive across the country and, you know, go, go hear guys debate theism and atheism and Darwinism and evolution and anything that, that was interesting.

00:06:01.900 And, but I ended up, I never would have thought that the book that I would end up writing would be a book on movies.

00:06:08.260 So the first book that I, and I hopefully eventually I'll have, you know, books on philosophy and metaphysics and things like that too.

00:06:15.580 That's at least my plan, but it just so happened that the first book ended up being movie related.

00:06:21.700 So yeah, I did, um, over the last six or seven years, I just, as a, as a side project, you know, I was like throwing up movie analyses for fun.

00:06:32.040 And I'd read a lot of Michael Hoffman stuff over the years and, uh, you know, the author of secret societies and psychological warfare and Judaism discovered and many other, many other books.

00:06:43.520 And so Hoffman had this analysis of, um, conspiracy theory with Mel Gibson a long time ago.

00:06:51.920 It's been on the internet since the late nineties.

00:06:54.300 And I always thought it was a neat approach to movies.

00:06:57.480 And then when I was in my undergrad and I was taking, uh, some film classes, Hollywood history classes and stuff like that, I realized that actually there's a lot of conspiracy in film.

00:07:09.040 So it just treats of that topic in general and it covers kind of your major directors like, um, Hitchcock and Spielberg and Kubrick and some David Lynch as well.

00:07:21.980 And although it may, might seem totally unrelated to the types of subjects that we cover, actually, I don't think that it is.

00:07:31.520 I mean, for example, I just did a talk on Sarah from Rose's book, Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future.

00:07:37.260 And there's quite a few places in that book where HG Wells and Spielberg and all this kind of stuff comes up.

00:07:45.180 So I don't think that they're all unrelated topics.

00:07:49.000 I'm a kind of a holistic thinker.

00:07:50.840 So I tend to see things big picture and how everything interrelates and try to integrate things.

00:07:55.980 So what this book is, is just maybe a collection of several years of my thought about and reflection on movies that maybe I'd grown up with.

00:08:05.820 Everybody's grown up with if you grew up in the 80s, especially.

00:08:09.500 So there's a lot of, you know, Spielberg 80s stuff.

00:08:12.100 There's E.T. and like Labyrinth and Ridley Scott movies, Blade Runner, that kind of stuff.

00:08:19.360 So if you like the art of filmmaking, I do think it's an art that I find fascinating.

00:08:25.980 Then this is a good book.

00:08:28.220 It's a book that deals with geopolitics.

00:08:31.340 It deals with the esoteric.

00:08:32.500 It deals with philosophical concepts, ancient philosophy, Platonism, and how all of that relates to modern, I guess you would say, preeminent directors, right?

00:08:45.180 So, yeah, it's 363 pages, and it's over 50 or 60 sidebars, which makes it over 400 pages.

00:08:54.920 So pretty well sourced.

00:08:56.840 And, yeah, so it's been out about a month, and I've had, I think, except for one gothic feminist who hated the book and obviously didn't read it because she said in her review on Amazon that I don't believe any book that tells you that we're all run by alien overlords.

00:09:15.460 Hmm.

00:09:16.820 Hmm.

00:09:17.580 What Lauren tweet?

00:09:18.280 I spent about 30 pages arguing against the existence of aliens, so she obviously didn't read the book.

00:09:26.260 Well, you know, that's a very valuable critique, I can tell.

00:09:30.600 Yeah, but the other 20 or 30 reviews on Amazon and Goodreads are all five stars, so the reception has been great, and, you know, if you're a movie nerd like me, and you like philosophy, and you like conspiracy, and you like, you know, any of these other topics, cults, intelligence agencies, blah, blah, blah, this is the book for you.

00:09:51.460 Oh, that's fantastic.

00:09:54.460 Yeah, that's one of the things that I think I actually found out about you through my friend Spice here.

00:10:00.120 He introduced me to your work.

00:10:01.760 But I had first, I kind of come, you know, I came into this background where I'm, what I'm doing now, actually much like a similar way that you did.

00:10:10.460 Like I was into conspiracy a lot in my youth through my father, and so I had heard you and Pharrell.

00:10:17.680 Oh, yeah.

00:10:18.200 Like, Honduras podcast, Caravan to Midnight, that kind of stuff, and I had, I actually, I came out of the same thing, you know, Catholicism, traditional Catholicism to orthodoxy.

00:10:28.180 So I'm in a similar position, like, and I perfectly understand, and that's what really why we wanted to get you on is because you and Dr. Raphael Johnson, who we've had on several times on the show, have, you know, the most holistic, the most cogent, like, narratives and worldview.

00:10:44.280 And one of my favorite quotes from Dr. Johnson is that if it doesn't make sense, it's not true.

00:10:50.560 Yes, I would totally agree with that.

00:10:52.680 Yeah, and that's the thing is there are very few, especially, we're going to get into this a little bit later on, but especially in, like, the alt-right or the far right, there are very few people who actually seem to examine every single piece of the picture as far as worldview goes.

00:11:06.500 And so many times there will be these kind of, like, glaring fields of omission that they will just refuse to interact with.

00:11:12.660 Conspiracy is a big one.

00:11:14.880 It might have been you on red ice after the Texas shooting had happened, and you were critiquing kind of the alt-right's kind of blind acceptance of the mainstream media narrative of what had occurred.

00:11:27.060 Right, which they tend to do quite often, and that's been my consistent critique of the alt-right, yes.

00:11:32.620 Right, and that's something that we're sensitive to, and we've actually – several of the panelists here have been harshly critiqued on various, like, forums and things in the past because for that very reason, you know, we questioned the mainstream media narrative and said, you know, look, guys, just because it's useful to you doesn't mean it's true.

00:11:50.380 Exactly. Yeah, in fact, I'm not at all pro-Islam, but I saw, I think, Breitbart or one of the right-wing alt-right sites – I forgot what it was.

00:12:03.460 They were posting images of supposed riots by Muslims in Germany for, like, Oktoberfest or something.

00:12:11.220 I forgot what it was.

00:12:12.700 It wasn't even riots.

00:12:13.680 It was, like, people shooting firecrackers, and one firework hit almost, dude.

00:12:18.080 Now, so that's not true, right?

00:12:21.400 But I'm also not going to admit that Merkel isn't, you know, intentionally wanting to bring in a totally different culture of –

00:12:31.320 Right, I mean, it's attempting to genocide the German people, right. 0.91

00:12:34.500 Yeah, and I talk about this constantly, so I don't understand why people have such a hard time figuring this out.

00:12:41.000 It's not – I mean, Kelly Greenhill, I've posted her paper many times that talks about weaponized migration, right?

00:12:50.900 So the consistent left, I guess you might call it, maybe the Cybele Edmonds types or these kinds of people, you know,

00:12:59.700 they'll talk all day about things like, you know, the Syrian people have a right to their nationality and heritage, and I would agree with that.

00:13:11.240 And I agree that the war in Syria is wrong. 0.82

00:13:14.700 And then they'll turn around, though, but they won't allow that for me.

00:13:18.600 Like, I'm not allowed to have my passage. 0.67

00:13:21.440 Well, you're a white man. 0.97

00:13:23.640 Right, this is the hypocrisy of that kind of an anti-war left that's left. 0.96

00:13:33.340 You know, the anti-war left kind of went underground the whole time that Obama was there with left cover, right, bombing other countries and so forth.

00:13:41.300 And then suddenly now that Trump's here, oh, the anti-war left reemerges from under the rocks, right, where have they been?

00:13:50.700 But anyway, that's a totally different topic.

00:13:56.240 Yeah, no, I mean, we could probably get into any tangents and just follow them all day, but I want to kind of go back to this.

00:14:05.040 So on the subject of esoteric Hollywood, I mean, we've kind of talked about this before on the show.

00:14:12.280 I mean, that Hollywood is enormously influential because they're the primary culture reformers along with academia.

00:14:23.060 Yep.

00:14:23.760 Right?

00:14:24.020 And, you know, I mean, of course, we know because you're training theology, you know the maxim.

00:14:29.440 It's Lex Credenti, Lex Arandi, right?

00:14:31.600 And so your core beliefs and the way you pray determine your life.

00:14:35.720 And so, I mean, that's the thing is what Hollywood gives us is an integral worldview full of, you know, as you would say, the presuppositions that are left undeconstructed.

00:14:44.660 And so when we kind of accept the narratives that are being given to us from Hollywood, I mean, they literally shape the entire view of the universe, our metaphysical system.

00:14:56.540 And so I guess what I would just wanted to talk about is, you know, and this is going to be kind of a broad question, but like Hollywood as a control mechanism vis-a-vis culture formation and maybe like relating that, you know, back a little bit to MKUltra.

00:15:13.140 How does Hollywood kind of brainwash America and the world and, you know, box it into a certain worldview?

00:15:20.380 Well, what I started with in the book was talking about Hollywood and film viewed from a religious or ritual perspective, and that's what a lot of people don't do.

00:15:31.500 They don't think about the world that way anymore because everybody's sort of living under the spell of this notion that since the Enlightenment, we have obtained objectivity and neutrality, right?

00:15:46.440 And so prior to that, the world was in darkness and we had dark ages and superstition reigned.

00:15:52.400 And then with John Locke and Diderot and Voltaire and these characters, suddenly light has come.

00:15:59.580 And now we have objectivity, right, because of the scientific revolution and so-called science has allowed us to figure out that, you know, you can look at an earthworm and inspect its length and squish its guts out on your finger and smell the earthworm and taste the earthworm.

00:16:17.940 And once you've figured out all of its properties, you can then expound and extrapolate from that that it's millions of years old and from what species it evolved and so forth and so on.

00:16:29.540 But none of that's true, right, because there's no such thing as a completely objective, neutral approach to the phenomenon.

00:16:38.580 Are you sure, Jay, there's no empirical brute facts, these platonic forms floating out there that we can hit people with?

00:16:45.420 No, there's no brute facts, and that's something that, again, like the majority of people still live under this delusion.

00:16:54.460 And one of the great things that I liked about Spangler was in Decline of the West where he talked about this, that we're still living under the spell, the skeletal remains of the Enlightenment period.

00:17:08.440 And it's eventually going to die off because it doesn't make sense.

00:17:12.260 It's inherently contradictory with itself.

00:17:16.140 Now, I don't agree with everything Spangler says.

00:17:18.440 I'm not a historical relativist or a cultural relativist.

00:17:22.020 But I think that's a great insight.

00:17:25.020 And so when I approach Hollywood and film and things like that, I look at all these things from a religious perspective because I know that ultimately that's how man functions and operates.

00:17:37.680 Humans are constituted to be religious beings even in their irreligion.

00:17:43.680 They are fiercely religious.

00:17:45.000 And I think Nietzsche made this point in Ekehoma or one of his books.

00:17:51.840 It was a long time ago when I read it.

00:17:53.380 But he talks about the pale-faced atheists who are basically evangelists for atheism. 1.00

00:18:01.000 And he said that they're just as stupid as the Christian evangelists. 1.00

00:18:05.660 And I think he's right to a certain degree there at that point. 1.00

00:18:08.560 I mean he realized what the atheists don't realize is that you're just operating still on the presuppositions that there is objective truth.

00:18:19.060 And Nietzsche's point is that there's not really objective truth, right?

00:18:22.520 So in the same way, when we come to anything in life – and I generally think that people that call Darwinism or scientism or religion are totally on point.

00:18:34.440 That's absolutely correct.

00:18:35.480 I believe there's a famous essay by – oh, what's that guy's name?

00:18:42.120 He's the – not William Lane Craig. 1.00

00:18:45.860 That guy's an idiot. 1.00

00:18:46.560 But the other Protestant guy, like a Calvinist dude – anyway, I can't remember. 1.00

00:18:54.860 But he wrote a famous paper about Darwinism and scientism as a religion, Calvinist philosopher at some college.

00:19:02.540 I forget what his name is, but very well-known.

00:19:04.000 But anyway, that paper is really good, and it illustrates the point, and that's what I would agree with.

00:19:10.720 And so anyway, I'm getting philosophy crazy here.

00:19:13.780 But when we talk about Hollywood, it's no different because anybody that makes a film has a worldview.

00:19:18.880 Or in the case of perhaps propaganda films with the military or the intelligence agencies or the Pentagon or whoever embedding their messages into movies, they have a worldview.

00:19:29.940 Right now, it might be to convince people to join the war effort or to convince people over time to accept transgenderism or whatever.

00:19:39.720 Those things are all very real, but they represent some perspective or worldview.

00:19:46.260 And in my view, the problem with America and Americanism is that it is double-think from the get-go.

00:19:54.820 So when you look at the founding fathers, you kind of have this collection of miscreants and masons and deists and weirdos, Baptists and Episcopalians and maybe a couple Catholics. 0.83

00:20:09.000 And they're all trying to come together under this banner of a propositional nation.

00:20:15.500 There's never been a nation created under a proposition before, right?

00:20:20.280 Nations historically have always been based on ethnoi and their belief system and their language, right?

00:20:26.780 Well, you know, it's interesting that you mentioned that.

00:20:29.280 I'm in an Orthodox kind of traditional fellowship.

00:20:34.860 And before I came on to the show, I asked them if they had any questions that they wanted to put to you.

00:20:39.660 And one of them said, I'm going to read you a quote.

00:20:42.320 He said, recently you had a Facebook post where you mentioned the concept of ethnoid.

00:20:47.460 And you used a couple of biblical passages to back up what you were saying.

00:20:50.740 And this fellow says that his question to you is, is it possible in America to actually develop a serious ethnoid where the identity is so integrally wrapped up in these Enlightenment concepts?

00:21:03.680 I don't know.

00:21:04.520 I keep going back and forth on that because like a year ago, two years ago, I would have said no way because I just didn't think anything.

00:21:14.860 So we're way too far down the toilet.

00:21:16.720 And we probably still are.

00:21:18.560 So I'm not I'm not sure what Trump represents yet, but I've taken a positive approach to Trump with with some criticism.

00:21:28.680 So the point of the reason I say that is just to say that there is reason for optimism.

00:21:37.120 There's reason for hope.

00:21:38.120 I think that we start to realize that the globalists, the oligarchs, the elite, whoever, the those that are running our country are not God.

00:21:48.700 They're not infallible.

00:21:49.680 They're not indestructible.

00:21:51.720 And so if we really can have victories and we can change things, it really is possible.

00:21:59.200 And I just kind of I'm actually chiding myself because I've had such a defeatist, cynical, negative attitude for a long time that I think was, you know, you just get beat down by stuff over time.

00:22:12.420 I mean, you feel like, you know, contra mundum, it's you against the world.

00:22:15.740 And then you realize that you actually can.

00:22:18.820 I mean, I never would have thought that I'd have a book and be able to talk about, you know, critiquing Darwinism.

00:22:24.080 I'm not saying my book's going to change the world or anything, but I mean, I just never would have thought that, you know, five years ago that you could write a book and include a chapter critiquing Darwinism on Hollywood.

00:22:33.800 So that to me would have just seemed, you know, just like, oh, that's never going to happen.

00:22:39.540 So, you know, a big part, a big part of the enemy's psyops is demoralizing people.

00:22:46.400 And this is what I've really tried to come to grips with.

00:22:49.600 And I actually, the more I think about it, I think that's what Orwell's book is about.

00:22:55.400 I don't think George Orwell was, I mean, he could have been a good guy.

00:22:58.380 I don't know.

00:22:58.780 There's all these stories about he, you know, went to hide in Scotland or something and that he always thought they were going to come kill him.

00:23:05.200 Maybe that's true.

00:23:06.120 But when you read 1984, it's intentionally a book that leaves you with no hope.

00:23:12.300 And this is a book written from the perspective of, I believe, the British Royal Society of Luminists.

00:23:20.040 And I believe it's a psyop because the whole point of the book is that there's nowhere to look for hope.

00:23:26.920 There's nowhere to look for change.

00:23:28.020 The boot is going to stamp your face for all eternity.

00:23:31.440 So it's a very demoralizing book, even though it's very revelatory.

00:23:35.420 Yeah, I mean, it's kind of the same with Brave New World.

00:23:38.900 I mean, in the end, the guy hangs himself, right?

00:23:41.320 Exactly.

00:23:41.940 Great point.

00:23:42.540 The thing is that all of this system, it has no meaning in and of itself.

00:23:47.320 I mean, science, just for the sake of science, it's useless.

00:23:50.780 It's just will to power.

00:23:51.840 There's will to power has no goal.

00:23:53.080 So you could argue that it's a slavery to the desire of power.

00:23:58.660 And, I mean, if you're going to make a bit of a historical comparison, there is this legend of Alexander the Great and Diogenes.

00:24:06.560 Now, Diogenes, he lived in this little barrel or whatever it was.

00:24:10.880 And Alexander the Great Soul said to him, I will grant you whatever you wish.

00:24:16.140 Now, Diogenes said, just stay, just go away.

00:24:18.940 Let me have my sunlight.

00:24:21.000 So Diogenes wasn't as enslaved to this desire for power.

00:24:24.420 So if you're going to use this, you know, Augustinian mindset that you have as many masters as you have, you know, uncontrolled the size, so to speak.

00:24:37.420 Then Diogenes was, yeah, then Diogenes was more free than Alexander the Great.

00:24:41.780 He was more powerful than Alexander the Great.

00:24:43.360 That's a good point.

00:24:46.600 Yeah, and it reminds me of Max Weber's book, Spirit of Protestantism and all that, where he talks about capitalism being something that derives from Puritanism and all that, which a lot of that's, I think, irrelevant and true. 0.81

00:25:03.220 Obviously, I don't agree with him.

00:25:04.100 We're going to get into that when we discuss the Anglo question.

00:25:07.200 Yeah, I don't agree with Max Weber's democratic socialism, obviously.

00:25:11.400 But when he talks about the rationalization process, which is the main point of that book that monopoly capitalism develops into by its own inherent logic, he's absolutely right that – and this is – I think I wrote a paper when I was doing that book in undergrad.

00:25:29.020 And my argument was that point was like, OK, so we've got this giant rationalization process.

00:25:33.440 OK, so we're going to be run by Google and Microsoft and all this kind of stuff.

00:25:38.140 But what is the purpose of the rationalization process?

00:25:40.960 Because reason and rationalization presuppose telos.

00:25:44.900 They presuppose some sort of purpose or goal to which the syllogism is moving you, right?

00:25:50.640 The force of the logic is moving you to some point or conclusion in the argument.

00:25:55.380 And so in the same way, if we look at giant corporations and systems and systems analysis and how Microsoft works and how the computer works and all this kind of stuff, it's all very rational, very logical, and it's supposed to be moving towards something.

00:26:10.460 But there's no goal because they're totally nihilistic, right?

00:26:14.000 Well, no, Jay, don't you see utilitarian morality as all that exists?

00:26:17.320 It's all just competing for evolutionary advantage.

00:26:19.940 I mean, we're hedonists, you know?

00:26:22.280 I mean, the only thing we're conquering at this point is just an infinite void.

00:26:26.700 It is, right.

00:26:27.560 And so there's like a – I think Dugan calls it a monotonic process where it's like a never-ending sequence of progress in a certain direction for no reason whatsoever.

00:26:39.560 It's just assumed that progress, quote-unquote, is a self-evident maxim, and it's also just assumed that it's moving in the right direction, and it's also just assumed that it's either going somewhere or going nowhere.

00:26:55.120 And then, like you said, what is the point?

00:26:57.360 Yeah, well, Dr. Johnson makes this point, you know, that if anybody ever promises you anything but doesn't give you the end goal, you should not believe them.

00:27:06.720 He's talking specifically about Marxism.

00:27:08.620 It's like, yeah, we need the revolution.

00:27:09.920 Revolution for what, exactly?

00:27:11.860 Right, and that's what I was – in fact, I woke up this morning thinking about that.

00:27:15.840 I was thinking about how everybody lives under all these promises of things like – and I was just thinking about what – so we talked about globalism, and I was reading all these think tank papers yesterday.

00:27:26.680 And they're always talking about, you know, the growth of global capitalism and globalism, the hope of globalism.

00:27:33.620 No, it never says what it is.

00:27:35.820 What is the hope, right?

00:27:37.540 Well, yeah, it's just –

00:27:38.920 Like, what is the end purpose of all this?

00:27:40.240 I mean, this is kind of what Spengler talks about as well in The Decline of the West, you know, this super-Faustian mentality is progress for progress' sake.

00:27:47.860 Absolutely.

00:27:49.120 Yeah, just meaningless platitudes.

00:27:50.820 They don't have any significance, and it's just more like propaganda than it is anything else.

00:27:54.720 Exactly, exactly.

00:27:55.440 Exactly. So you end up building this huge machine, and then you're kind of stuck there.

00:28:02.180 That may have been the point. I mean, it's kind of atheistic. I don't agree with it.

00:28:05.680 But that movie – it makes me think of that movie Zero Theorem, that Ridley Scott movie that's really weird with Christoph Waltz where he's like running this giant machine, and he's waiting for the god code that gives it all meaning.

00:28:19.940 And he just sits – he's like – he sits in this, like, giant facility – it's like an old cathedral that's a giant computer facility, and all he does every day is, like, punch these little buttons.

00:28:32.820 He's like a code writer, right?

00:28:34.720 And then he discovers that there is no, like, meaningful god code.

00:28:39.880 It's all just irrational, like you just built this giant machine that's pointless.

00:28:44.860 And so, I mean, it's very nihilistic, but it's illustrative for the point of making this argument to the atheist or the nihilist or whoever.

00:28:56.680 It's just sort of like you built this giant machine, it has no meaning, so you might as well just blow it all up, right?

00:29:01.940 And a lot of people – I think people like Lennon and these nihilists who are more consistent come to that conclusion.

00:29:09.000 They're like, well, yeah, actually, okay, it's all meaningless.

00:29:11.600 Yeah, it's all flux.

00:29:14.020 Right.

00:29:14.460 We actually – we had a discussion – and I'll open this, give this back to Spies and Grave Hans. 0.89

00:29:19.880 We had Dr. Johnson on a couple of episodes to discuss, like, the philosophical and theological basis of Freemasonry and Kabbalism.

00:29:27.720 And that basically was our conclusion is that, well, you know, they don't – they just believe it's all flux.

00:29:32.920 They don't actually believe in ontology or telos or, you know, an end.

00:29:38.260 I mean, what this – the only thing I can imagine that these people are trying to do is they're literally Luciferians.

00:29:45.640 They're literally anti-Christian.

00:29:46.760 They're trying to build the synagogue of Satan because, as we know, Satan can't create anything in and of itself.

00:29:52.360 He can only pervert something.

00:29:53.440 So what he's trying to do is – all this is just trying to pervert that which is already created.

00:30:00.460 It's like dissolving it into a sort of prime matter, then build something new from it.

00:30:05.340 Yeah, I think that's why they're so obsessed with, like, transhumanism and extending life.

00:30:11.020 Because if, like, you take this nihilistic ideology to its logical conclusion, well, of course you're going to want to live forever because there's no – you know, you don't believe in heaven or any kind of afterlife.

00:30:21.380 Yeah, AI antichrists.

00:30:24.320 Yeah, Mark Hackard and I had a good interview a couple of years ago.

00:30:28.300 We were talking about this, and we got to laughing because it was like – so you build a giant – like, let's say transhumanism happens in the fullest sense,

00:30:38.360 and you build, like, some giant robo-chariot by which you're going to fly around the galaxy.

00:30:43.520 Then it's just you as a robot flying around the galaxies, like, you know, like HAL 9000 or something, or like Dr. Manhattan in Watchmen.

00:30:57.360 Yeah, like, what's the end goal?

00:30:59.460 So it's just you, right?

00:31:00.520 So, like, the last transhumanist globalist person, like, George Soros has, like, melded with the bots, and he's flying around alone in the universe.

00:31:09.660 And then so what do you do then?

00:31:10.740 Well, I guess you just blow up planets, and you just blow everything up.

00:31:13.800 So what else is there to do?

00:31:15.560 I mean, it's just totally – yeah, it's total nonsense.

00:31:17.600 But the – it makes me think of Camus. 1.00

00:31:20.540 Doesn't he argue that you should just kill yourself? 0.96

00:31:22.580 Like, why not? 0.99

00:31:23.140 Yeah, that's the existentialist thing.

00:31:26.480 There's – once you take that route, yeah, once you take that view, there's no moral – there's no benchmark of qualification by which to say that there's a preference for existence or nonexistence.

00:31:41.540 Yeah.

00:31:42.100 Like, to say that you should exist assumes some notion of the good still, right?

00:31:46.900 But you've already jettisoned all that.

00:31:48.740 There's no –

00:31:49.280 Right.

00:31:50.000 Well, yeah, exactly.

00:31:51.040 Precisely.

00:31:51.440 There's no ontological grounding.

00:31:53.280 And I mean, there's a – a really famous quote is a – or not famous quote, but something clever is that nihilism is easy to start but hard to finish.

00:32:01.220 Yeah, there you go.

00:32:02.900 There's that whole thing about that we might as well commit suicide.

00:32:06.900 Something here – it's kind of self-contradictory, right?

00:32:10.120 Because if life is meaningless, then we might as well live.

00:32:13.660 And this assertion that life is meaningless, it's –

00:32:15.920 Yeah, exactly.

00:32:16.860 It's pure intellectual.

00:32:18.840 And we know that there's certain things you can't explain.

00:32:21.960 Art, for example.

00:32:22.820 You can't explain art.

00:32:23.720 You can't explain why a painting is beautiful.

00:32:25.380 It just is.

00:32:26.580 This proves that there's something more than what you can just intellectually explain.

00:32:29.960 So, therefore, you might find a meaning in life in that which we can't explain.

00:32:33.600 I mean, the meaning is separate to that which we incarnate the meaning with.

00:32:41.240 Yeah, well, there's the old – the dictum of, I think, Hume that you can't get an ought from an is, right?

00:32:46.620 So, once you adopt this perspective of, say, radical empiricism or something like that or nihilism or whatever, there's no – you can't get any objective is or ought like you ought to do this.

00:33:00.620 And so it's just a manifestation or version of that same point that if we're all just in a meaningless, chaotic universe, then there's no preference for one or the other.

00:33:11.440 So, I mean, literally, there's like – everybody should also be able to live or blow themselves up.

00:33:18.480 Like there's literally no difference between the two whatsoever.

00:33:20.880 Well, yeah, exactly.

00:33:21.560 I was actually talking to a friend of mine who's at Oxford and a very educated guy.

00:33:25.780 I mean he sort of tends to agnosticism and scientific empiricism.

00:33:31.000 And so we were having a – I was making an argument for God from logos, from the intelligibility of the universe, and he basically reduced it to the point where he was like, well, how do you even know that there are not universes that are unintelligible, right?

00:33:43.780 And so I just said to him, well, okay, I'm going to make a purely utilitarian argument.

00:33:49.300 If we can't prove anything through sense data, the utilitarian mode is to pretend that we can.

00:33:54.380 It makes people happier, empirically speaking.

00:33:58.040 Yes.

00:33:59.960 Good point.

00:34:00.600 Yeah, one thing I did want to say too about Kabbalah, to be fair to – I read a good bit of Kabbalists and Kabbalistic tradition, and I get the impression that –

00:34:13.600 Yes, there were Jewish thinkers who wanted to – who were into the black arts and things like this, and they took a very occultic view.

00:34:24.120 But I also don't agree with this idea that's very popular in a lot of these kinds of circles that like all of Kabbalism is this plan or this plot to destroy Christianity.

00:34:38.840 I don't think that's sensible or coherent because there's a bunch of different Kabbalistic schools.

00:34:44.860 So some of them are more like just Neoplatonists, and it's like guys who read a bunch of Plato and Plotinus and tried to mess that with their Judaism, right? 0.83

00:34:56.200 So I just think that's a more fair approach because if you talk to – so if some Jewish guy hears this and if you're approaching this from like an apologetic perspective or something, they're going to be able to dismantle that argument because if they read say like Nachmanides or somebody like that, they're not going to buy the argument that every Kabbalist was out to destroy Christianity.

00:35:19.620 Now, that's not me saying that Kabbalism is good. I just think that it was an attempt of Jewish thought to do a theodicy. 1.00

00:35:29.140 Sure.

00:35:29.500 That's a big part of it.

00:35:31.120 Well, I mean I think that the issue is fundamentally – I mean it's a matter of – I mean these intellectual constructs are tools, right?

00:35:38.520 And so I mean if you're trying to understand like metaphysics, I mean even if you want to comprehend it, you still have a decision with what to do based on that knowledge.

00:35:48.960 So if you have deep metaphysical understanding, then yeah, you can use that to manipulate the goyim or you can use that to try to improve your own virtue. 0.87

00:35:57.420 So we got totally, totally off track.

00:36:03.060 I guess bringing it back to the Hollywood question, I want to – would you care to like give a little spiel on the integration of the kind of – like Anglo-Jewish military industrial complex and intelligence apparatus and Hollywood? 0.96

00:36:22.080 How is Hollywood used as an organ of the control system generally and what – most people are – I mean most people are just blissfully ignorant.

00:36:33.040 They just kind of – even if they think Hollywood is Jewish, they think that it's mostly motivated by profit.

00:36:41.040 Well, I tend to – I mean obviously there's a powerful Jewish element in Hollywood, and I think I talked to Henrik about this.

00:36:50.100 If you watch that documentary, Jews in Hollywood or Hollywood and the Rise of Jews or something like that, Empire of Their Own, it's a famous documentary.

00:37:01.220 It goes into great depth to chronicle the history of the rise of Jewish filmmakers and how they became prominent in Hollywood.

00:37:12.660 And it's of course made by Jews, so it's not anti-Semitic or anything like that.

00:37:16.960 But what's interesting is that I think that Jews like any minority group in America were seen as outsiders for a long time.

00:37:29.180 So, you know, you had such a dominance of the WASP elite, and especially the East Coast WASP elite, that any group that was – that saw themselves as outsiders, be it black, be it Catholic, be it Jew, they were very –

00:37:46.180 very concerned with how to rise up in power structure.

00:37:55.500 And so what we've seen I think over the last 100 years is that very thing.

00:37:59.400 And so a lot of the filmmakers who would kind of go on to become the heads of the major studios or the early on, like the MGM guys who were the big five studio heads that were Jewish, eventually they had totally dropped any of their Judaism.

00:38:17.540 So they had married Gentile wives, and they had changed their names and hidden their identities and stuff like that. 0.99

00:38:23.720 And then I think over time their descendants never cared about Judaism. 0.52

00:38:28.360 Many of them, in fact, converted to Catholicism because they would send their kids to Catholic schools because that's what was like the most prominent private school in Hollywood or whatever.

00:38:38.520 So I don't think that it's just as easy as saying that it's like a total Jewish conspiracy because of that fact, because the realities of people living that way and dropping their identity. 0.98

00:38:55.500 And what I think is if you watch something like The Godfather, you see this presented for, say, the character of – well, actually, each of the generations of the Corleones is that it's partly about them losing their identity.

00:39:10.900 So they leave Italy, and they think that they're going to come to America for material progress and monetary – and they do.

00:39:22.560 They – he becomes very successful because he learns the system is here very corrupt.

00:39:28.080 So he rises to the top of being the Don and all that, and then he – Don Corleone passes it on to Michael Corleone and so forth.

00:39:36.400 And so by The Third Godfather, he's like an international NGO foundation head who's like making land deals for billions of dollars with the Vatican.

00:39:45.560 So the point of that is that he has completely lost his identity, and part of the third – the end of the series, part three, is him wanting to go back to Italy to reconnect.

00:39:59.140 So he's done all this, he's made all this money, and what has been the point when all along what he wanted was to go back – and if you remember, his wife that he met – his first wife was a young Italian girl from his people that a rival mobster blew up.

00:40:18.320 So they were married for like a week, and some mob guy blew his wife up, and so he comes back, and he marries the American girl.

00:40:28.600 And point being that everything that Michael wanted his whole life was in Italy.

00:40:36.320 Right.

00:40:36.880 He would have been happier had he not tried to become this billionaire imperial figure.

00:40:45.500 This is something that we talk about.

00:40:47.000 I mean actually it's brought up like a bit on the far-right circles is that the – you have all of these Jewish intellectuals who push cultural Marxism, but the Jews themselves are actually like imbibing this.

00:40:59.680 And so in the past there was a very explicit understanding of for thee, not for me, this is for the Goyim, but more and more we're seeing in fact that the Jews themselves are – like rabbis are releasing all sorts of statements against miscegenation and now breeding with the Goyish dogs, right? 0.89

00:41:17.460 Well, yeah, I mean it kind of makes sense again if you think about it because – I mean what is the mentality that is on the bottom of all this?

00:41:27.940 It's this, you know, Luciferian literal Satanist mentality.

00:41:32.840 So it's not really surprising when it happens to the Jews as well because, you know, this is what they want all along. 1.00

00:41:38.180 I mean if anything, the Jews who only want to push this on the Goyim and not themselves, if anything, they're the ones who are a bit more healthy so to speak. 0.79

00:41:46.460 Yeah, I don't think – I'm sorry, go ahead.

00:41:49.360 I was just going to say I've had a conversation with a Jewish friend of mine and he's actually – it's kind of funny to listen to him talk about this because he'll bash on the Reform Jews who are more liberal and more open.

00:42:03.460 And he'll tell me that, you know, oh, like Jewish birth rates are going down because of intermarriage and all this.

00:42:09.740 And, you know, I just kind of have to sit back and smile a little bit like, oh, this is – this is, you know, your people doing this essentially, or, you know, your elites, I guess.

00:42:22.080 Oy vey to that.

00:42:22.960 Well, I tend to think that this strategy is older than, you know, the establishment of the state of Israel.

00:42:34.280 In fact, if you look at the Mackinder Doctrine, it was Halford Mackinder's plan that said there would be the establishment of a state of Israel.

00:42:42.380 So I think that the Rothschild-level persons, they have absolutely no concern for Jews. 0.83

00:42:50.500 I don't think that –

00:42:52.720 No, no, clearly not beyond any – I mean, they're pragmatic about it, right?

00:42:56.960 They utilize the ethnic Kabbalistic infrastructure to, you know, for their own advantage, but they are perfectly willing to throw everybody else under the bus. 0.99

00:43:07.080 Yeah.

00:43:07.420 I mean, Spengler essentially said that Jews and Anglos are essentially the same.

00:43:11.200 And that's why a person like the Israeli could actually become prime minister in the UK.

00:43:17.180 Right.

00:43:17.620 I actually – I want to get into this discussion, the Anglo question and the Jewish question back-to-back, but I want to just finish up here on Esoteric Hollywood a little bit.

00:43:26.360 So one of the things is like –

00:43:28.760 Oh, real quick before you go on.

00:43:31.700 I didn't really – so I never did get to the point you asked about propaganda and what – so what I think really the long-term picture of the propaganda is the creation of a global culture.

00:43:42.900 And so Hollywood is a powerful means to export Americanism, really.

00:43:48.660 And I view Americanism as kind of globalism beta.

00:43:51.400 And then America as the melting pot, as the New World Order, as the foundation of the pyramid, the block of the capitalist pyramid is the means by which the world would be evangelized for globalism and the monoculture.

00:44:07.460 And so I think that's what we're seeing now is the exportation of Americanism, and that would be consumerism and porn and Marilyn Manson and everything like that to the rest of the world.

00:44:19.260 And, you know, vaccines and GMOs and all this gobbledygook garbage from the big foundations and whatnot.

00:44:28.980 And by the way, a lot of that's in Israel too. 0.66

00:44:30.760 So I think that it's very – it's difficult to say that it's like a total Jewish conspiracy because, you know, abortion is legal in Israel.

00:44:40.980 So –

00:44:41.740 Well, it has one of the largest gay prize parades every year. 0.98

00:44:45.940 Tel Aviv is like a huge gay capital. 0.99

00:44:48.600 Yeah, it's said to be one of like the gayest cities on earth. 0.98

00:44:52.800 I've heard that before.

00:44:54.960 So Hollywood functions as a means to create a global culture and then monoculture.

00:45:05.740 And then you get these weird aberrations of Bollywood and like other countries try to do the same thing.

00:45:12.600 And then what they'll do is export Bollywood to America.

00:45:16.920 They'll export those cultures here, right? 1.00

00:45:19.960 And so you'll get anime becomes popular in America.

00:45:22.740 Ah, yes.

00:45:23.680 So this is all this exchange, which is to a degree it's just a normal aspect of the cosmopolitan theory, right?

00:45:33.580 Or the market, you know, merchant sea power, right, as opposed to the land power.

00:45:41.040 So part of that is just the natural progress of monetarism and capitalism and so forth.

00:45:46.640 But I think there's also a deeper sinister aspect of it to – I mean we see this with the big propaganda films like American Sniper or Zero Dark Thirty or even things like Transformers, which you may not think about it, but actually was made in consultation with the Pentagon.

00:46:05.400 And so even something – yeah.

00:46:07.160 Yeah, Michael Bay movies are oftentimes made in concert with the Pentagon.

00:46:12.140 And you say, why would that be?

00:46:13.000 Well, who were the heroes of that movie?

00:46:16.000 Well, the Transformers worked together with the U.S. military, the good side of the U.S. military.

00:46:21.020 I mean there might be bad guys in the deep state like the John Turturro character or something like that.

00:46:25.160 But, yeah, you can find articles – mainstream articles about the Pentagon working to help make Transformers.

00:46:34.580 So this is very – yeah, this is very common.

00:46:37.480 You know, you were saying the other day on one of these podcasts like the Pentagon had donated to Cupcake Wars.

00:46:42.420 Yes, Tom Secker, who works with Cybele, got a FOIA request for what the Pentagon's budget was for Hollywood like two years ago, and they had donated – put in a good bit of money to Cupcake Wars.

00:47:02.060 Yeah.

00:47:02.700 Many of the TV cooks have been spies.

00:47:08.380 Yeah, Anthony Bourdain, right?

00:47:09.780 Yeah.

00:47:09.960 I'm not –

00:47:11.220 Oh, Julia Child.

00:47:12.940 Yeah, Julia Child was, but Bourdain I think is very likely.

00:47:17.100 And so what you come to see is that a lot of these people are – you know, they're promoted and they're making this money because they're agents of the state, which people may not know, right?

00:47:31.160 Right.

00:47:32.220 Fascinating.

00:47:33.360 So the next –

00:47:33.980 I've learned everything.

00:47:36.240 Right.

00:47:36.820 Is like full-spectrum dominance.

00:47:39.160 It's – I mean, more I want to talk about predictive programming.

00:47:42.680 So this is one of the things especially that a lot of the people on the far right are incredulous of is even if they recognize that Hollywood has like a clear culture-forming agenda, like they'll reject the idea that Hollywood will condition people to accept certain ideas before they occur.

00:47:57.280 Right.

00:47:58.280 And so one of the famous ones is like 9-11, right?

00:48:00.760 You can see huge swaths and swaths and swaths of these like 9-11 destruction of the Twin Tower references.

00:48:08.040 Right.

00:48:08.700 Right.

00:48:08.940 And so the people ask, you know, people will just actually dismiss this out of hand.

00:48:16.240 Well, I just think that's kind of an unfair attitude.

00:48:19.800 When you study the relationship of the Pentagon and the intelligence agencies to Hollywood, which I've done for a long time, it becomes a lot more plausible after you've studied that for a long time and a lot easier to believe that.

00:48:36.020 If you've not studied that, which most people haven't, I totally understand that it would seem bizarre.

00:48:42.860 It would seem crazy.

00:48:43.880 And maybe 10 years ago when I first got familiar with the idea of the relationship between Hollywood and the CIA and stuff like that, even – I remember in my 20s when I first encountered this, although this is very strange.

00:48:58.620 Like what?

00:48:59.080 I thought it would be – if I talked to myself 10 years ago, the J that I am now, I would think I was nuts.

00:49:08.180 Like what are you talking about?

00:49:10.020 There's not – it's not that conspiratorial.

00:49:12.540 But it is.

00:49:13.980 And you can find studies that talk about a lot of this stuff.

00:49:17.320 So you can find studies that go very, very deep, very scientific into the process of how to condition people through film and through the movie theater experience.

00:49:31.340 So let's take something like Disneyland or Epcot.

00:49:35.120 Epcot is not just a money-making scheme.

00:49:38.260 Epcot was the older form of conditioning people to the acceptance of planned communities, smart grids, smart cities, and Agenda 21-type ideas.

00:49:53.040 Now, I'm not saying by that that I'm like a libertarian and I think that there's no such thing as city planning or anything like that.

00:49:59.820 I'm not saying that.

00:50:00.580 I'm saying that the Club of Rome-style approach to this stuff that Disney and Epcot was conditioning people for is not healthy.

00:50:10.440 That's not healthy civilization or anything like that.

00:50:13.220 Well, and we can actually see historical examples of this.

00:50:17.220 I mean like St. Petersburg.

00:50:19.740 St. Petersburg was completely like a Masonic city. 0.67

00:50:23.380 It literally was built on the Gnostic idea of the floating city in the clouds, right?

00:50:27.560 And it was – and Peter the Great, Raphael Johnson talks about this, was like literally a Satanist.

00:50:34.480 He was a very high-level Freemason, and we know what he did, of course, to the church in Russia.

00:50:39.420 He completely tried to destroy it, and he built that city on the backs of like 250,000 Cossacks. 1.00

00:50:46.480 He killed – 250,000 of them died dredging the swamps.

00:50:51.380 Yeah.

00:50:52.900 Right.

00:50:53.300 So there's – city planning in itself is neither bad nor good.

00:50:57.200 It could be either one.

00:50:58.740 And a lot of city planners are masons.

00:51:01.400 Go look at a Washington, D.C.

00:51:02.660 So you're absolutely right about that.

00:51:03.740 And I think when I interviewed Dr. Johnson, we did touch on that.

00:51:07.260 But we can see this in America too, again, with Disney and Epcot.

00:51:12.540 And all you have to do is just look into the history of Epcot and the Pentagon.

00:51:16.580 The Pentagon has always been interested in Disneyland and studying it because it's a closed-planned community.

00:51:24.840 Theme parks, things like this.

00:51:27.340 Now, I know that sounds crazy, but that's – if you think from the perspective of a nefarious Pentagon planner or from a corporate planner, it makes perfect sense.

00:51:39.740 It's because you want to understand human psychology, motivations, managerial theories, the creation of the company man and this kind of stuff out of the 40s and 50s that the CIA and the advertising companies were studying.

00:51:54.120 All that stuff is real.

00:51:56.420 So Disney is just an example of the intersection of the deep state interests, corporate interests, monopoly capital interests, Hollywood interests, creative interests, right?

00:52:10.040 All of these intersect there.

00:52:12.260 And so I just use that as one example of predictive programming that most people don't think about.

00:52:15.720 But what is Epcot?

00:52:18.380 It's been preparing you for a surveillance society, for a smart city, for all these things that we now see being implemented.

00:52:26.040 So that's predictive programming right in your face, and everybody has been to Disneyland probably in America at least.

00:52:33.540 Maybe you guys aren't familiar with that.

00:52:35.760 No, I've been to Disney World.

00:52:37.100 Yeah.

00:52:37.260 Okay.

00:52:37.960 Yeah.

00:52:38.140 So you've seen this kind of stuff, right?

00:52:40.000 Well, yeah.

00:52:40.420 No, I mean it's interesting.

00:52:42.060 It's actually quite overt.

00:52:43.320 I mean even in the – when it was first created, like that's how it was directly marketed as this kind of city of the future, right?

00:52:51.460 Right.

00:52:51.980 And now that doesn't – now maybe Walt himself was not nefarious or something.

00:52:57.140 I'm not trying to say that – I'm not trying to paint this in some simplistic, moralistic thing of, you know, like they're all Luciferians and they're all – it doesn't really work that way.

00:53:07.400 It's people are planning based on the worldview that they have in their age, in their day.

00:53:14.740 And so there was a lot of people in the 40s and 50s who bought into World War II propaganda and the Cold War, you know, and they – I mean I speak this way about Ian Fleming a lot.

00:53:25.180 I don't think that he was all good or all bad because people ask me that all the time.

00:53:29.000 We talk about, you know, was he a good guy or a bad guy.

00:53:30.780 Well, I mean it depends on what you mean.

00:53:33.120 Yeah, I listened to your interview with Richard Spencer.

00:53:35.840 It was pretty good.

00:53:36.480 Yeah, I mean he's a man of his time.

00:53:38.540 So anyway, predictive programming is most easily proven by things like Bond novels where you have a transition from the Cold War to the War on Terror decades ahead of time in Fleming's novels.

00:53:57.140 With SMERS, Spectre, predictive programming is demonstrated again in things like the pilot of the Lone Gunman where you have the remote-controlled jets being flown in – hijacked remote-controlled planes being flown into the towers.

00:54:17.700 By the way, yes, I –

00:54:22.300 You say, well, how can I – well, Dean Haglund did an interview with Alex Jones about 10 years ago where he said that the CIA was there on the set telling us what things they would like to have in the script.

00:54:37.060 So I think that that's the most reasonable thesis for how you could have the events of 9-11 ahead of time in so many fictional accounts.

00:54:49.280 There's an Iron Man cartoon from the 90s which has both the towers being destroyed and a plane flying into the Pentagon.

00:54:57.260 Again, in like 1995, the old Iron Man cartoon.

00:55:00.720 I've had this on my website for, I don't know, six years.

00:55:03.800 I mean I don't think that's accidental, especially not when you look into even children's cartoons, right?

00:55:10.780 So if the CIA is interested in cooking shows because they're interested in culture and culture creation and cooking and food is obviously a big part of culture, they're probably interested in cartoons.

00:55:24.300 And then when you look into people who have consulted on cartoon shows like G.I. Joe and the Friedman character that I've talked about for, you know, on many podcasts.

00:55:35.820 Actually, I found an interview with him that I dug up where he talks about – he talks about his consultations on cartoons.

00:55:46.700 Yeah, here it is.

00:55:47.460 It's called He Killed Optimus Prime, an interview with Ron Friedman, the writer of Transformers.

00:55:54.560 And he is a – he's an architect and a teacher from Chapman University.

00:56:02.800 So when you go back and you watch these cartoons from the 80s like G.I. Joe and Transformers and whatnot, they'll have all these very strange things that we 20, 30 years later find out are real embedded in them.

00:56:14.640 All right. Now, would I be remiss in asking if that name echoes?

00:56:19.080 If what?

00:56:20.120 Are you familiar with the parentheses, the echo meme?

00:56:25.840 No. What is that?

00:56:27.320 If a gentleman's name has three parentheses around it or you pronounce it with an echo, it means that he's Jewish. 0.78

00:56:35.040 Oh, okay.

00:56:35.360 So we would say Friedman, etc.

00:56:38.680 Anyway, there is one thing that I haven't asked before, and that's – I remember seeing an article, I think it was from CNN or something, a while back.

00:56:49.740 And this was on their actual website.

00:56:51.800 It was still on the actual official CNN website or NBC, whatever American newspaper it was.

00:56:57.960 And this was from September the 10th, 2001.

00:57:01.680 And this was about literally saying that the Israelis could launch a false flag against, for example, the Twin Towers to drag America into a war.

00:57:17.720 And I tried to see, you know, if this was on fake websites, and it wasn't.

00:57:24.560 Now, I lost that link when my computer crashed a year or so ago, but it was really, really eerie.

00:57:31.960 I mean, you see such a thing on, you know, such a big website, and it's, you know, the day before as well.

00:57:39.420 It's just insane.

00:57:40.020 Hans, these conspiracy theories, what are you trying to prove?

00:57:44.560 Come on.

00:57:45.220 This upsets my simple utilitarian worldview. 0.96

00:57:49.780 Okay, clearly, I mean, we don't like Muslims, and if Muslims did 9-11, that's a good reason to not like Muslims. 1.00

00:57:55.600 So please, Hans, okay, we don't need to talk about the truth, okay?

00:57:59.040 Well, I mean, it just fits into the narrative of clash of civilizations, of pitting Western so-called Christianity against, you know, against Islam. 0.90

00:58:11.400 Right, and that's something I want to talk about if we get in time.

00:58:15.360 Yeah, how long have Bernard Lewis and Sam Huntington been talking about this?

00:58:19.560 And hint, hint, that that suggests to me that there might be a bigger game at play here to wipe out those two views.

00:58:30.160 And then, oh, by the way, I wanted to mention, too, that there are other – if you wanted to really take on the issue of predictive programming,

00:58:39.120 that is just a term that has been used by conspiracy people for a while,

00:58:46.140 but it's already been taken on by, like, academics many times over.

00:58:50.780 So there's – you can get other academic publications like the CIA and Hollywood out of University of Texas Press by Tricia Jenkins,

00:58:59.320 where she deals with it, and the CIA consulting on J.J. Abrams Productions and alias and things like that.

00:59:05.320 There's a book called Operation Hollywood, How the Pentagon Shapes and Censors the Movies by David Robb.

00:59:11.180 There's many other examples of this other than my book.

00:59:14.520 Like, there's Ian Fleming's Secret War by Craig Cobble that goes into a lot of the Bond stuff.

00:59:20.880 So, yeah, all of this has already been dealt with.

00:59:24.020 It's just that the public doesn't live in, you know, academia world, so they don't know any of this stuff.

00:59:29.980 Right. There was something – you know, I'm interested in the links between British intelligence and the rise of Salafism. 0.99

00:59:40.720 But that's something, you know, it's kind of ancillary, maybe for another show, another day.

00:59:45.060 Well, I can tell you two good books on that would be –

00:59:47.420 Sure. Let's hear it.

00:59:48.340 Mark Curtis, who's a Royal Society researcher fellow.

00:59:52.600 Secret Affairs, that's a really good book.

00:59:54.540 Okay.

00:59:54.700 I read that several years ago.

00:59:56.760 About 500 pages on this topic.

00:59:59.400 I know.

00:59:59.660 You can read also Robert Dreyfuss' book, Devil's Game, which is dedicated to this topic.

01:00:05.880 I did a whole talk on that book.

01:00:07.380 And then Ingdal's a little on the left, but his Lost Hegemon that he just did is dedicated to that.

01:00:19.700 Interesting.

01:00:21.420 It's fascinating.

01:00:22.480 And if you want the master tome that will take you forever to read, Stephen Dorrell's MI6.

01:00:32.580 Okay.

01:00:33.980 Is that the authorized history or –

01:00:37.240 No, he's a British professor of University of – I forgot what.

01:00:44.180 By the way, I exchanged a couple emails with him, but it's just – he's just a professor of the history of espionage at some UK university.

01:00:54.980 I don't remember what.

01:00:56.580 Fascinating.

01:00:58.280 So what I wanted to discuss with you, and this is something I think is absolutely critical, is – so I listened to all of your Tragedy and Hope lectures.

01:01:09.480 Yeah.

01:01:09.820 And I thought that they were – number one, I want to say thank you for actually reading through that very dry tome and kind of distilling the good bits for us.

01:01:20.380 It was a lot of work.

01:01:20.920 It was a lot of work.

01:01:23.580 Yeah.

01:01:24.220 So God bless you for that.

01:01:25.620 The second thing is that I think that book is really so critical to get an understanding of how the oligarchs use financial instruments in order to shape world history, how to create false dialectics, how geopolitics actually works, especially because he's giving you the CFR inside man view.

01:01:46.820 But one of the things that I – it stands out is like on the far right we talk a lot about the Jews, right?

01:01:53.940 And obviously this is something that's – a lot of this is reactionary because you're not allowed to talk about the Jews in the mainstream.

01:02:01.040 This is the cardinal sin. 0.96

01:02:02.380 Hitler is the secular devil, right? 0.98

01:02:04.740 And so – but what happens is it seems that a lot of people will kind of narrow in on the Jews as exclusively the synagogue of Satan, and then they will completely exclude the possibility that there's any Protestants or goyim that are at a similar level of control or similar interests or mechanisms of operation beyond just being kind of Shabbos goys.

01:02:30.440 So I wanted to talk about the Anglo question and the Jewish question, right?

01:02:36.980 Specifically, go on.

01:02:38.140 Yeah, I'm an Anglo, so I guess I can speak from Turkey.

01:02:41.900 Wow.

01:02:42.800 We're going to have to hang up now, Jay.

01:02:44.380 Clearly you're a shill. 0.98

01:02:45.600 A self-hating Anglo. 1.00

01:02:47.700 Ha ha. 0.99

01:02:48.640 Self-hating Anglo.

01:02:51.660 Well, my background is the Dyers.

01:02:55.180 The Dyers actually – I think they were given the licensure by the crown to tend the royal swans.

01:03:03.860 So my predecessors, I guess – actually they come up in Burke's Peerage quite a bit as the tenders of the royal swans.

01:03:12.840 So they have the swan uppers license, and I assume that's my descendants.

01:03:17.560 I don't know for sure, obviously.

01:03:19.060 And, of course, Dyers, there were many Jews who were Dyers in London, so there may be a Jewish pedigree.

01:03:25.880 I don't know. 0.96

01:03:26.240 I guess I'll have to get my DNA tested and see if I can make the cut or something ridiculous like that. 0.97

01:03:30.800 Well, you know, you realize that if you're not 100% pure variant phenotype, we're going to put you in the gas chamber. 0.50

01:03:36.280 Well, see, but I have blue eyes, so does that count or does it –

01:03:40.260 Well, you know, are they Ashkenazi eyes? 0.94

01:03:43.040 I mean –

01:03:44.060 Yeah, he can still be an edomite, so –

01:03:46.880 Yeah, that's the thing is, Jay, you know, you might not be part of the edomite race. 0.96

01:03:50.600 You might be some sort of edomite mongrel. 0.91

01:03:53.200 Oh, OK.

01:03:53.700 Well, so on the other side, it's Scottish, and we come from, like, noble Scottish clans, so I don't know.

01:04:03.060 Well, but Celts aren't white, you see, Jay, so that's not going to fly either. 0.99

01:04:06.940 Yes, but Angloquistian.

01:04:11.020 Right.

01:04:12.560 Joking aside, yeah, of course, so are we.

01:04:14.480 Well, I think that this is – a lot of this stuff is very – like, I've read a lot on Judaism and Jewish theology and so forth and Jewish views of race and racial theory, and I don't get the impression that there's, like, one unified Jewish view of what exactly constitutes their position because obviously they've accepted converts too.

01:04:38.280 So – but at the same time, you have elements of Jewish belief that it's very racial, so they will sometimes themselves discriminate against Sephardic.

01:04:52.500 So it's very confusing, and I don't know exactly what's going on there, and they have a left and a right and a conservative and all that and the Likud and all so forth.

01:05:02.240 So I don't know.

01:05:03.440 I mean, one of the reasons I don't touch on, like, the Palestinian Zionist issue is because, number one, I don't know much about this whole issue other than what I hear on internet arguments and debates.

01:05:15.500 And a lot of the people that I see, for example, championing the Palestinian issue, they're big, like, UN promoters, and they're always tied to this left stuff.

01:05:26.060 So, I don't know.

01:05:28.160 To me, that seems – I'm not too impressed with that stuff.

01:05:31.660 Well, I think it's, like, one of the truest manifestations of the false dialectic.

01:05:35.900 Yeah.

01:05:36.580 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:05:38.220 But now, so the Anglo question – yeah, this is an interesting question because there's a lot of different theories.

01:05:46.580 Well, one other thing I wanted to say, too, is I saw a book saying – there was a book put out that they were arguing that – it was a couple years ago, like, some scholarly approach.

01:05:56.220 And it was saying that all the Scots, like, the Scottish people are actually, like, the lost Jewish tribe, you know, like, one of the lost tribes.

01:06:02.980 Yeah, of course.

01:06:03.900 I know.

01:06:04.740 I mean, weren't those Danish men?

01:06:06.640 Yeah, see, the Danes come from the tribe of Dan. 0.99

01:06:08.660 Yeah, I'm certain the Christian identity people are going to fucking murder us for even just joking about it. 1.00

01:06:14.240 But, yeah. 0.99

01:06:14.580 Yeah, well – 0.96

01:06:16.540 Identity is a code word for anti-whites. 0.78

01:06:20.320 Anyway, so the question of the Anglo relationship is interesting because, you know, most people – what I think probably is relatively true is the intermarriage of – you know, Jewish people in England were able to rise up pretty prominently.

01:06:40.800 And so they did, you know, intermarry into the upper class eventually and the moneyed class and so forth.

01:06:50.080 So, you know, there's been this long presence of Jewish power in England.

01:06:57.540 So it's very hard to parcel that out and distinguish it, and I don't know that anybody has, like, some real – I think a lot of times we think we know everything that's going on or we – but a lot of the stuff we don't really know. 0.87

01:07:10.700 So, like, you know, the questions of origins, like, we don't know who the fuck – the original – what happened to the tribe of Dan.

01:07:18.040 Now, maybe somebody will figure it out. 0.78

01:07:19.840 I'm not saying that it's not possible, but a lot of this stuff is theory is what I'm trying to say.

01:07:23.820 So I forgot where we were going with this.

01:07:28.800 So can we talk about Anglo power?

01:07:31.120 Well, I hope so because –

01:07:32.580 I guess what I'm basically trying to say is that –

01:07:35.460 Look, here's what Quigley says.

01:07:37.240 He says that there was an alliance between Catholic, Protestant, and Jewish banking eventually in different countries.

01:07:44.280 And that – he argues that it was – in the West, it ultimately was transferred into the hands of J.P. Morgan and the Rockefellers.

01:07:55.880 So does – now, I'm not saying that the Rothschilds don't have vast power and interest.

01:08:01.980 Obviously, they do.

01:08:02.760 But I just tend to think that at that level, the Rothschilds don't care about nation states, and they don't care about who's – what your identity is.

01:08:12.920 Because just like David Rockefeller or J.P. Morgan and these people, they're not ideologically bound because to be in that role, you can't be.

01:08:23.980 You have to be completely pragmatic, I would argue.

01:08:26.800 So I tend to think that they just all agree on their atheism slash pragmatism slash Luciferianism.

01:08:34.900 And so they're all kind of on the same page.

01:08:37.300 Well, I mean, our Lord says this quite – I mean, our Lord says this quite directly to the Pharisees that you are the sons of Satan because you do his work.

01:08:46.280 Yeah, there you go.

01:08:47.200 Yeah, exactly.

01:08:48.200 And I mean, this really is the constant you see everywhere in these people.

01:08:51.680 I mean, even a person who joins, let's say, a Freemasonic Lodge because he wants contacts and wants a career advancement.

01:08:58.620 And he thinks he's one of these in-group clubs that gives faith to each other.

01:09:03.760 Even that mentality is in and of itself the same atheistic pragmatism mentality.

01:09:09.060 It's just to a very lesser degree.

01:09:11.180 Yeah.

01:09:11.240 So you could say that even – these people are, without realizing it, that they have the same assault mentality.

01:09:21.360 That's a good point.

01:09:22.520 Absolutely, yeah.

01:09:23.320 Will you do what it takes to get mammon?

01:09:27.060 Yeah, exactly.

01:09:29.760 Right.

01:09:30.240 Did you want to add something here, Spice?

01:09:31.480 Yeah, I was just going to say it's like we were talking about on an earlier episode kind of related where some people in conspiracy circles will allege that, oh, America's run secretly by a bunch of Nazis because people on Wall Street like Bill Donovan and people in the British establishment helped fund the Nazis.

01:09:53.340 Then, therefore, we're ruled by, like, a secret Nazi government. 0.72

01:09:57.940 Well, no, that doesn't necessarily follow.

01:10:00.340 They're just working with them as a business partner to achieve their own ends.

01:10:05.200 That doesn't mean they're committed.

01:10:08.120 Well, the dullest – you have factions in the CIA and the establishment too.

01:10:11.380 So some factions do support – there's like five or six different views of – or sects within the, quote, CIA.

01:10:19.460 So you've got, like, Robert Bayer-style democratic party stuff, and then you've also got, like, Alan Dulles, you know, crypto-Nazi type stuff.

01:10:32.420 So, I mean, human beings differ and have different views, but like you said, yeah, at a geopolitical level, that doesn't mean that people won't work together.

01:10:43.340 I mean, Reinhard Galen trained the Mossad, so.

01:10:45.500 Yeah, and then, you know, like, the CIA helped fund – was it Betty Friedan or Gloria Steinem, one of them, you know, like, helping them fund Ms. Magazine.

01:10:58.120 So I don't know if Nazis were feminist. 1.00

01:11:01.740 So, like, if you go – I wrote an article that I think is relevant probably.

01:11:05.920 If you go back, it's called the OSS – CIA OSS and Western Support for Communism, something like that.

01:11:14.280 I wrote it three or four years ago.

01:11:15.500 But I went to the CFR archives, and you can find back in the 40s they were having these debates.

01:11:22.220 So you had – some of the people in the CIA were more on the Nazi side of things, and they wanted a pro-Nazi approach.

01:11:31.100 They wanted to – they wanted fascism.

01:11:35.460 They wanted that kind of a government enacted.

01:11:38.500 And they didn't want this idea of convergence with the Soviet Union.

01:11:43.180 And so you had other people in the CFR who were more on the liberal side, Alger Hiss and these kinds of people, and they were more openly wanting a convergence between Sovietism and Western capitalism, which, you know, the third wave view, as it's called.

01:11:59.940 Well, so there's debates at those levels as well, so, you know, don't – I'm not trying to say that it's all one total control mechanism because there are different views, different strategies, and different plans.

01:12:16.540 But I tend to believe – and when it comes to Hitler, for example, I tend to believe the way that Quigley phrases it is that he was unwittingly perhaps a puppet of the British power structure.

01:12:34.380 Right.

01:12:34.780 That's something that I'm actually very interested in discussing, and we'll get to that a little bit later on.

01:12:38.760 But we have to go to the break soon, so I want to kind of get back to this Angler question.

01:12:41.920 I mean, if you look at this historically, I mean, if you go all the way back to the Roman Republic, there are records of, you know, Jewish and Syrian merchants all over the Mediterranean in southern France.

01:12:52.760 So they've been – literally have been international merchants for 2,500 years.

01:12:58.140 I mean, you could argue that's exactly what happened with King Solomon is that he engaged in foreign trade deals basically and accepted the idols in his temple.

01:13:06.540 And so – but it seems like especially after, you know, the conversion of the Roman Empire to Christianity, there seemed to have always been this natural check on Jewish power. 0.82

01:13:22.500 Usury was considered to be gravely sinful, you know, and illegal, and, you know, Jews were always seen with suspicion.

01:13:28.660 I mean, St. John Chrysostom, of course, writes, and so, I mean, even in the high Middle Ages, you know, with the crystallization of the errors of papism, there was always this natural check on Jewish power. 0.86

01:13:44.500 Whenever they would accrue, you know, too much land through usury, you know, they would just be expelled and their lands reconfiscated, and, you know, things would kind of have a reset.

01:13:54.140 But it seems that, you know, what happened is in the Renaissance with the rise in terms of the Catholic circles, the Medici banking family, and then with the Protestant Reformation, John Calvin, of course, the usuryist, where he defends usury among Christians, right? 0.85

01:14:09.080 There is this—those safeguards drop, and suddenly it becomes acceptable for Christians to engage in new serious business practices with Jews, and the kind of, you know, arch—the carriers of this torch seem to be, you know, the Netherlands and England, right? 0.98

01:14:33.440 And so my kind of view would be that these—the Anglo question, having to deal with the, you know, embracing of Protestantism, sort of led the way for this inordinate Jewish influence that we see today. 0.74

01:14:47.260 Well, I don't think any of that could have happened if the papacy didn't change its view on usury in the West, so—

01:14:54.460 Oh, I'm not familiar with this. Care to enlighten us?

01:14:56.600 Yeah, the Catholic Church, around that time, you're talking about the Medici period, the Renaissance period, formerly had forbade the practice and then began to change and say that it was doable.

01:15:13.540 I think Michael Hoffman even has a whole book on this, so absolutely.

01:15:17.780 In fact, when I was a Catholic, I had a hard time trying to sort of wrangle with that.

01:15:21.640 But now, certain arguments are made at times, like, well, could a Christian charge a non-Christian usury?

01:15:33.720 You know, these kinds of weird sort of approaches to it, and then—anyway, I'm not—that's a very complex, involved issue.

01:15:43.660 But just simply put, yeah, it's a dangerous thing, and it's very—it can be very harmful, and it is a tool.

01:15:53.740 But I would say that you'd have to—the first power structure in the West that begins to allow it is the papacy.

01:16:02.780 Wow. Fascinating. Yeah, and so, but would you generally agree with the narrative that I've presented, that it was, like, fundamentally a problem with Western Christianity that we allowed this inordinate Jewish money to power to come in? 0.97

01:16:20.740 Well, yeah, what I'm saying is, I guess it would be whichever pope—and I haven't looked at this in a long time, so I can't remember off the top of my head, which—it's something during the Renaissance period there's a change in papal approach, so.

01:16:37.960 Yeah, there's a talk Hoffman did on Red Ice, I think it was. It's from several years ago, but he talks about—it was kind of like a process starting, I think, with the Council of Trent.

01:16:52.460 I don't remember all the details, but it's—yeah, it was like a—it took, like, a couple centuries or something.

01:16:58.040 Wow. Yes. Yeah, that's right.

01:16:59.280 I think we also need to briefly just show why Usu is so destructive that it is.

01:17:06.980 I mean, what is Usu is in its essence?

01:17:08.980 You give someone money, and you expect more money back.

01:17:11.680 What will this extra money come from?

01:17:13.780 I mean, you've got to convert something to shekels, so what this is doing, it's like this will-to-power in the form of, you know, Usu is crushing that which is organic.

01:17:25.680 So if you have maybe some fields, you have to sell some of your land to pay the Usu is the money changer, or someone else has to do it instead.

01:17:35.480 Well—

01:17:36.480 At best, you can just shift the blame, so to speak, and let me just take a modern example of this.

01:17:45.080 In Sweden, we have—the whole pension system has a huge pyramid scheme.

01:17:50.480 So what they have been doing now for years is that they have redistributed money, so we're all equal, so we're all good consumers, so we keep feeding the system, so to speak.

01:17:59.480 And they also get all these money people from the third world in, so they can do the same thing with them. 0.97

01:18:04.480 We pay for their clothes, we pay for their rent, we pay for all of this.

01:18:08.480 Plus, they will then take money from the bank in loans, so they'll stimulate the economy.

01:18:16.480 So the whole economic wheel will just speed up, speed up, speed up until it hopefully crashes in.

01:18:22.480 And that is what we see right now. It's literally sucking a nation dry.

01:18:27.480 Right. I mean, I think that to say it in a more pithy way, I mean, E. Michael Jones describes it as barren metal, right?

01:18:38.480 So essentially, it's the artificial creation of liquid capital where there's no, like, real capital to back it up.

01:18:46.880 So there's not any goods or services that are being provided to expect this increase in money, in money capital.

01:18:55.640 It's just kind of artificially demanded.

01:18:58.720 Yeah, I understand all that, and I mean, I'm familiar with those arguments, but—and I think that, like, now where we are, it's almost—

01:19:08.480 We were so dominated by this electronic fiat, Federal Reserve-type stuff, which did have its origins in usury and gold notes and then, you know, like, printing more gold notes than you had actual gold and all that.

01:19:22.460 I mean, that's what Quigley goes into, and that's the irony, of course, of the libertarians is that they'll talk all day about tragedy and hope in Quigley,

01:19:28.960 but they forget that—quigley says that the gold-backed currency and the libertarian philosophies of the 1700s, that's all the banker plot.

01:19:40.220 So I'd love to hear Ron Paul respond at some point to Carol Quigley talking about Ron Paul's philosophy being the beta version of the banker plot,

01:19:51.760 and now we live in banker plot 2.0 with digital currencies and all this kind of stuff.

01:19:56.980 Anyway, but I don't know.

01:19:58.800 I mean, I think that at a local level, you could make an argument that—I guess it depends on how you define usury,

01:20:05.540 because, for example, if I have a lot of capital or if I own something and someone comes to me with a business venture

01:20:18.500 and they want to borrow or they want money, I'm taking a risk by giving them the money for whatever their venture is.

01:20:33.100 Now, if it's charity, that's something different.

01:20:35.300 But if they're wanting to start a business or something like that, then I'm participating in the risk of this,

01:20:42.160 and I don't think that you could use Christian charity to argue that, like, I'm somehow bound to have to help somebody start a business or something.

01:20:50.020 I'm not bound by that.

01:20:51.200 So now some people will define this as the most basic example of usury, that if I expect a return for the money that somebody borrows from me for some business venture,

01:21:03.260 most people, what I think, say that that's, like, basic usury.

01:21:06.820 I mean, I'm not sure I have a problem with that.

01:21:09.240 I don't see why it would be wrong for somebody to expect—

01:21:13.860 I would tend to agree with you.

01:21:15.580 I mean, obviously, I know I think that you're correct.

01:21:18.500 And, I mean, when you give out a loan at risk, you're providing a service that has a real, like, quantifiable, you know, market value.

01:21:27.660 We're talking about something else, though, obviously, when we're talking about, like, these giant international banks and Ponzi schemes and all that.

01:21:33.960 That's obviously a total scam.

01:21:35.640 And so it's kind of, you know, it's not—one of the things I've been thinking—here's what I'll say to this.

01:21:42.040 One of the things I've been thinking about lately is—and I have a very high view of the Old Testament law, which I know Dr. Johnson does as well.

01:21:52.580 So biblical law, for example, I think can still inform a lot of our practice and approach to the world nowadays.

01:21:59.100 And I kind of come out of a theonomic tradition when I was a Protestant.

01:22:03.960 Yeah, we're familiar.

01:22:04.800 We actually had a gentleman on that we were going to discuss that with.

01:22:07.540 But, yeah, no, go on.

01:22:08.560 I'm familiar.

01:22:08.880 Yeah, well, I was a hardcore Reconstructionist theonomist for a long time.

01:22:12.600 So a lot of those principles I still apply.

01:22:15.080 And I think if you look at something like, you know, the Code of Justinian, you'll see some of those basic principles applied in Justinian's law as well.

01:22:22.320 So I think that it's very—obviously very true with orthodoxies, you know, if you read St. Philorad or somebody like that, Philorad of Moscow, he'll talk about Christian principles and government and so forth.

01:22:34.480 So anyway, so—but some of these areas are very difficult, very fuzzy.

01:22:39.820 And I would—so if you look at the example of Solomon, and I don't think Solomon was totally a bad guy.

01:22:47.660 I think that for the most part he was a good guy until his latter days of, you know, falling into idolatry and so forth.

01:22:54.500 But we get a lot of good stuff from Solomon, particularly if you look at the story of the woman, the two whores with fighting over the baby. 1.00

01:23:04.280 Okay, so when Solomon's going to apply the law to this case, there's no specific example of, like, a penal sanction or a case law that tells Solomon what to do in this case.

01:23:17.800 So Solomon, in his wisdom, right, applies a principle to the situation and resolves it.

01:23:24.780 And he's, of course, lauded in Scripture for his wisdom in this case, right?

01:23:28.080 And so he tells—he says he's going to cut the baby in half, if you recall, right?

01:23:32.120 And then he knows that the real mother of the disputed child, the illegitimate child, is going to allow the other one to have it. 0.52

01:23:41.040 Because if she really loves her child, she's not going to want the baby to be cut in half, and she would rather the child be with another person if it's alive.

01:23:48.580 Yeah.

01:23:48.940 So what I'm getting at here is that one thing I've noticed and been thinking about as I studied Christology intently over the last 10 years is that Christology really informs everything.

01:24:00.000 And what we have in Christology is everything that's in the realm of the human is deified, right?

01:24:07.860 Because the human nature of Christ joins the divine nature, and the energies of the divine nature deify the human.

01:24:14.400 And that would include human reason.

01:24:17.540 So human reason, even in aspects of law, requires deification.

01:24:24.940 So what I'm saying is that what you see in that case is Solomon, because he has the Holy Spirit, his reasoning faculties are deified.

01:24:37.140 So he's able to apply divine wisdom to that case.

01:24:39.820 And I think that that's the kind of ideology and approach that we should have in our day, too, to government, is that some of these cases are going to be case-by-case basis.

01:24:52.560 They're going to require human reason.

01:24:54.720 And obviously, we're not dealing with anything like that now.

01:24:56.800 We're so far down the toilet.

01:24:58.160 But who knows who might be listening to this podcast?

01:25:00.620 Of course.

01:25:01.680 Of course.

01:25:02.260 Well, in fact, that's exactly what we hear.

01:25:04.980 500 years from now, somebody might be listening to this podcast.

01:25:09.920 It's true.

01:25:10.620 It's true.

01:25:11.120 I'm serious.

01:25:11.800 No, it is.

01:25:12.320 It's very possible, right, if the instanton does not arrive first.

01:25:15.080 But that's what you've described as exactly kind of what we're about here at Mysterium is we look at ourselves as – I mean, essentially, like logos fascism.

01:25:24.820 And so we see – we're going to talk about this later on, but we see – when we talk about fascism or small NS national socialism, what we're really talking about is the application of divine law manifest in the logos, the person of Jesus Christ, to our contemporary situation.

01:25:43.180 And we think that these are the best bywords to describe that particular political philosophy.

01:25:50.400 Anyway, but that's something that we're going to get into.

01:25:52.420 We've gone past our time, so we're going to go ahead and have a break, and then we'll come back in the second segment, and we'll talk about conspiracy culture, racist liberalism, theology, and maybe some Kali Yuga news.

01:26:05.600 So stay tuned.

01:26:06.200 Okay.

01:26:13.180 So stay tuned.

01:26:43.180 So stay tuned.

01:27:13.180 So stay tuned.

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01:28:57.520 Da du gewinnt, wie ich bewahre,

01:29:03.960 So redet mir die glückliche Tag,

01:29:09.080 Bis mach ich dich lieber noch.

01:29:13.000 So redet mir die glückliche Tag,

01:29:19.400 Bis mach ich dich lieber noch.

01:29:27.520 So wohl dir, so umerwunden,

01:29:43.920 Das Vogelsang ist gesunden,

01:29:51.060 Heiß ist der Linden ihr Laub,

01:29:54.720 Ja lacham trubend mir auch,

01:29:58.940 Mien johol standen auch.

01:30:04.320 Welcome back to Mysterium Faschis, 0.91

01:30:08.000 Episode 15, Part 2.

01:30:11.280 So before the break,

01:30:12.180 we covered an incredibly broad range of subjects.

01:30:16.880 And now we're going to talk

01:30:18.060 about a couple of different things.

01:30:19.620 I think that what we'll begin with is,

01:30:25.320 hmm, I think what we'll discuss is,

01:30:30.620 we'll touch a little bit on conspiracy culture,

01:30:33.700 and then we'll talk a little bit about racist liberalism.

01:30:36.600 So one of the very,

01:30:38.320 one of the things that we talked about this,

01:30:41.520 the alt-right,

01:30:42.440 is that there has been a complete kind of failure

01:30:44.780 to produce a cogent worldview.

01:30:47.960 That's because a lot of people in the alt-right

01:30:49.560 do not share the same worldview.

01:30:51.380 They're what we would call racist liberals.

01:30:52.960 They're not traditionalists.

01:30:54.880 But we're going to get into that a little bit later.

01:30:57.620 And so, Jay,

01:30:58.400 I think that you were perfectly correct

01:30:59.920 when there was the shooting in Texas.

01:31:01.860 You went on red ice,

01:31:02.740 and you kind of critiqued the alt-right

01:31:04.080 for, you know,

01:31:05.280 accepting the mainstream narrative.

01:31:06.740 And we talked about this before.

01:31:09.420 Do you know what,

01:31:10.240 are you familiar with TRS,

01:31:11.460 therightstuff.biz?

01:31:14.640 I've heard of it, yeah.

01:31:16.020 Right.

01:31:16.320 Well, we used to be at therightstuff.biz,

01:31:18.540 and, you know,

01:31:19.160 Spies and myself,

01:31:20.000 we were critiqued, basically,

01:31:21.900 for questioning the mainstream narrative.

01:31:26.220 Yeah.

01:31:26.580 I used to always get a lot of problems

01:31:30.580 because I would bring up, you know,

01:31:32.620 like 9-11 as, you know,

01:31:35.240 not being, 0.98

01:31:36.840 as being bullshit, basically, 0.99

01:31:37.980 or the official story being bullshit, 1.00

01:31:39.660 you know. 0.99

01:31:41.460 And, you know,

01:31:42.120 you can lay out the evidence,

01:31:44.120 you can show, like,

01:31:45.100 the, like,

01:31:46.500 Corbett's 9-11 in five minutes,

01:31:48.720 which I think is, you know,

01:31:49.660 a great video.

01:31:52.680 And then you get attacked,

01:31:53.960 like, oh,

01:31:54.480 this is just crazy talk,

01:31:56.140 why would they do this?

01:31:57.340 But then the same people attacking you

01:31:59.540 will turn right around

01:32:00.480 and show, 0.77

01:32:01.620 explain to you,

01:32:02.640 paragraph by paragraph,

01:32:03.840 how the Holocaust is a total 0.99

01:32:05.540 exaggeration.

01:32:06.940 Right.

01:32:07.160 And, you know,

01:32:07.860 so,

01:32:08.440 you're not really being consistent

01:32:10.580 with,

01:32:11.460 in your...

01:32:12.520 Yeah, we don't like conspiracy theories,

01:32:14.060 but we're definitely,

01:32:14.940 it's okay to question the Holocaust, 0.83

01:32:16.400 right?

01:32:17.100 Yeah.

01:32:17.620 And, but that's the thing is,

01:32:18.500 we see this also in conspiracy culture,

01:32:20.120 you get the exact opposite,

01:32:21.400 where everything is on the table,

01:32:23.100 but if you deny the Holocaust,

01:32:24.540 you know,

01:32:24.720 or you even engage in revisionism,

01:32:27.380 right,

01:32:27.680 about the,

01:32:28.080 like,

01:32:28.340 death figures,

01:32:29.240 right,

01:32:29.700 gas chambers,

01:32:30.480 that sort of stuff,

01:32:31.720 that's,

01:32:32.340 that's,

01:32:32.740 that's beyond the pale.

01:32:35.000 So,

01:32:35.520 I mean,

01:32:35.640 everything,

01:32:36.040 everything,

01:32:36.660 everything is unfortunately

01:32:38.120 stuck within some

01:32:41.160 very broad

01:32:42.120 thing that you're supposed

01:32:45.860 to be labeled as,

01:32:47.040 like,

01:32:47.440 so,

01:32:47.940 you know,

01:32:48.200 there's only supposed to be,

01:32:49.160 like,

01:32:49.260 three or four options here, 0.60

01:32:50.480 and that's really ridiculous, 0.78

01:32:51.920 because life isn't boiled down 0.50

01:32:53.680 to three or four options of,

01:32:55.420 oh,

01:32:55.920 are you a liberal,

01:32:56.800 are you a Ron Paul Tea Party guy,

01:32:59.780 or are you alt-right?

01:33:01.120 I mean,

01:33:03.140 there's,

01:33:03.540 like,

01:33:03.880 other options in the world,

01:33:06.020 there's not just these three or four, 0.95

01:33:08.360 but everything is so dumbed down 0.98

01:33:09.860 that, 0.73

01:33:10.680 you know,

01:33:11.040 it's,

01:33:11.480 if you try to,

01:33:12.420 what I try to do,

01:33:13.400 if you try to take things

01:33:14.380 on a case-by-case basis,

01:33:16.340 to look at each individual thing

01:33:17.880 and try to understand it

01:33:19.520 on its own merits

01:33:20.520 and whatnot,

01:33:21.940 I mean,

01:33:22.580 that's just,

01:33:23.520 that people are so,

01:33:26.020 that's so far outside

01:33:27.440 of the norm

01:33:28.440 that it's,

01:33:29.380 it is very difficult,

01:33:30.700 so.

01:33:31.120 Right,

01:33:32.940 well,

01:33:33.160 and I think that this is a,

01:33:34.140 in other words,

01:33:34.440 I should be able to investigate 9-11, 1.00

01:33:37.280 apart,

01:33:38.820 I mean,

01:33:38.980 it has nothing,

01:33:39.540 that has nothing to do with

01:33:41.060 what the alt-right

01:33:43.200 majority view of 9-11 is,

01:33:46.820 right?

01:33:47.120 I mean,

01:33:47.340 what happened on 9-11

01:33:48.480 is in no way

01:33:49.660 should be connected to,

01:33:51.160 or is not determined by,

01:33:52.860 you know,

01:33:54.420 Richard Spencer's view of 9-11.

01:33:56.900 And I,

01:33:57.860 obviously,

01:33:58.380 I disagree with Richard Spencer

01:33:59.500 on 9-11,

01:34:00.180 so,

01:34:00.400 Yeah,

01:34:02.440 and I think that the problem

01:34:03.660 is with the alt-right

01:34:04.720 is that there is not,

01:34:05.920 there's not an agreement

01:34:07.360 on the worldview,

01:34:08.280 and that's really

01:34:08.820 the most important thing.

01:34:10.180 I mean,

01:34:11.000 if you,

01:34:11.520 if you agree

01:34:12.180 on core metaphysical principles,

01:34:14.740 then you can diverge

01:34:16.100 in terms of

01:34:16.840 the application

01:34:17.620 of those principles

01:34:18.280 to a particular situation.

01:34:20.560 Yeah,

01:34:20.940 right,

01:34:21.400 right.

01:34:21.600 And,

01:34:22.100 you know,

01:34:22.920 I understand Richard

01:34:24.000 and Andy's

01:34:25.920 approach

01:34:28.140 to a broad coalition

01:34:29.780 and,

01:34:30.300 you know,

01:34:30.720 Dugan talks about

01:34:31.440 a broad coalition

01:34:32.280 of anti-liberals,

01:34:33.100 and I,

01:34:33.720 I don't have a problem

01:34:35.560 with that idea

01:34:36.340 given the dangers

01:34:38.140 of Western materialism

01:34:41.080 and,

01:34:41.340 and,

01:34:42.400 and liberalism

01:34:43.500 and so forth.

01:34:44.140 But,

01:34:44.820 you know,

01:34:45.260 I mean,

01:34:45.720 there's going to be

01:34:47.860 inter-Nicene debates

01:34:49.160 within these camps

01:34:50.260 and it's just

01:34:50.860 a natural process

01:34:51.980 and I,

01:34:52.400 I think that

01:34:53.100 over time

01:34:54.220 I really do believe

01:34:55.460 the truth wins out.

01:34:56.660 So,

01:34:57.380 you know,

01:34:57.640 I'm not,

01:34:57.840 I'm not too worried

01:34:58.520 about it.

01:34:59.480 Right.

01:35:00.080 Well,

01:35:00.260 that's something

01:35:00.640 that we're

01:35:01.240 kind of big on here

01:35:02.640 is that we just

01:35:03.380 talk about,

01:35:04.040 you know,

01:35:04.740 I just kind of get

01:35:05.400 to the heart

01:35:05.800 of the matter

01:35:06.200 is

01:35:06.520 what we see

01:35:10.180 as the fundamentally

01:35:11.140 like the most

01:35:11.980 important thing

01:35:12.780 is not really

01:35:13.860 ideology,

01:35:15.440 but it's theology.

01:35:16.880 I mean,

01:35:17.100 it's your core

01:35:18.380 metaphysical principles,

01:35:20.320 the,

01:35:20.460 the things that you believe

01:35:21.760 about the highest echelon

01:35:23.000 of reality

01:35:23.600 that ultimately

01:35:24.280 end up affecting

01:35:25.080 your entire worldview

01:35:26.620 and the way you behave

01:35:27.400 in everyday life.

01:35:29.380 And so what's important

01:35:30.360 for us,

01:35:30.940 what we

01:35:31.280 emphasize again

01:35:33.120 and again and again

01:35:33.920 is that it's this worldview

01:35:35.200 that's critical.

01:35:36.300 Are you,

01:35:36.820 are you a traditionalist

01:35:37.900 in the real sense?

01:35:38.720 Do you reject

01:35:39.360 the modern world?

01:35:41.820 And that's

01:35:42.740 what we see

01:35:43.420 as the critical thing.

01:35:44.660 And so,

01:35:45.700 you know,

01:35:45.980 there are lots of people

01:35:46.720 and so,

01:35:47.140 you know,

01:35:47.340 we,

01:35:47.540 we feel that

01:35:48.360 when we say,

01:35:49.140 you know,

01:35:49.380 small NS national socialism

01:35:51.560 that this is

01:35:52.800 the most appropriate

01:35:53.800 way to describe

01:35:55.180 a total rejection

01:35:56.920 of the modern world.

01:35:58.500 However,

01:35:58.960 obviously,

01:35:59.320 there's some,

01:35:59.900 you know,

01:36:00.180 issues with that.

01:36:01.040 You know,

01:36:01.160 obviously,

01:36:01.880 you know,

01:36:02.720 fascism was a,

01:36:03.860 was a explicitly

01:36:05.360 modernist movement,

01:36:06.520 right?

01:36:08.320 National socialism

01:36:09.280 in many senses

01:36:10.120 was explicitly

01:36:10.880 a modernist movement,

01:36:12.140 you know,

01:36:13.240 but we also see

01:36:13.980 emanations of this,

01:36:14.900 like with Codrianu

01:36:15.940 and Romania

01:36:16.820 and the Iron Guard

01:36:17.640 that was,

01:36:18.400 you know,

01:36:18.900 one devoutly

01:36:20.560 orthodox

01:36:21.100 and did actually

01:36:22.920 agree with us

01:36:23.540 on all of these

01:36:24.020 metaphysical issues.

01:36:26.280 So,

01:36:27.120 well,

01:36:28.240 I tend to agree

01:36:28.900 with,

01:36:29.340 you know,

01:36:31.260 sort of the,

01:36:31.900 the basic

01:36:32.700 monarchic principle

01:36:34.040 or the Byzantine 0.82

01:36:36.960 principle of

01:36:37.700 symfonia.

01:36:38.640 So,

01:36:39.040 you know,

01:36:39.800 that's my view.

01:36:41.160 Well,

01:36:41.220 I tend to agree.

01:36:42.220 And I mean,

01:36:42.560 that's the thing is before,

01:36:43.740 are you familiar

01:36:44.220 with like neo-reaction?

01:36:46.640 I think so.

01:36:47.980 Yeah,

01:36:48.340 well,

01:36:48.600 there was a movement

01:36:49.820 that kind of was

01:36:50.500 sparked on the internet

01:36:51.400 that kind of got me

01:36:52.240 into this whole

01:36:52.740 political scene,

01:36:53.440 which was kind

01:36:53.880 of neo-reaction,

01:36:55.200 which was a return

01:36:56.260 to,

01:36:56.920 you know,

01:36:57.460 monarchism

01:36:58.300 and,

01:36:59.260 you know,

01:37:00.040 Catholic,

01:37:00.820 you know,

01:37:01.040 high Middle Ages

01:37:01.880 type political theory,

01:37:04.700 right?

01:37:05.700 And I agree with you.

01:37:07.180 I mean,

01:37:07.360 in essence,

01:37:07.880 I essentially,

01:37:08.560 I mean,

01:37:08.780 I'm a monarchist

01:37:09.780 and I'm highly skeptical

01:37:11.900 of centralized state power,

01:37:14.000 you know?

01:37:14.300 So if you want to get

01:37:15.060 really LARP-y,

01:37:15.760 it's like go Confederate

01:37:16.600 monarchy is the ideal 1.00

01:37:17.680 system or whatever.

01:37:20.840 Yeah,

01:37:21.440 I mean,

01:37:22.960 I'm glad that you mentioned

01:37:24.340 it being LARP-y

01:37:25.760 because one of the things

01:37:27.620 that I realized,

01:37:28.840 I'm not,

01:37:29.220 this is not me

01:37:30.060 bitching at you guys 0.99

01:37:30.980 or anything,

01:37:31.280 but I was super idealistic

01:37:33.080 in my 20s.

01:37:33.840 So I was like a hardcore

01:37:34.620 traditional Catholic monarchist

01:37:36.200 and all this.

01:37:36.820 And then,

01:37:37.400 you know,

01:37:37.920 as I developed

01:37:38.840 into my 30s

01:37:39.920 and now I'm approaching

01:37:42.520 amazingly the end

01:37:44.160 of my 30s,

01:37:44.860 I was,

01:37:45.960 I think I got a much

01:37:48.340 better grasp

01:37:49.380 on the,

01:37:52.000 like your views

01:37:53.560 have to be,

01:37:55.320 have to,

01:37:56.500 what am I trying

01:37:57.260 to say?

01:37:57.620 the ideal

01:38:00.040 has to match up

01:38:01.080 to the real

01:38:01.660 and I don't,

01:38:02.460 I mean that

01:38:02.780 in a Marxist sense,

01:38:04.800 like praxis

01:38:05.300 or something like that.

01:38:06.000 I just mean that,

01:38:07.040 that it's good

01:38:09.080 and well

01:38:09.840 to have all of these,

01:38:10.780 you know,

01:38:11.320 sort of idealistic

01:38:12.580 internet-based ideas.

01:38:14.420 Right, yeah.

01:38:15.120 But then we also live

01:38:16.280 in a real world

01:38:17.060 that's like totally

01:38:18.180 100%

01:38:19.380 the opposite of that.

01:38:21.140 And I'm not saying

01:38:21.760 that you guys

01:38:22.200 don't realize that.

01:38:23.080 I'm not saying that at all.

01:38:24.280 I'm just saying

01:38:24.720 that like,

01:38:25.640 so like when I was

01:38:26.820 into this stuff

01:38:27.380 10 years ago

01:38:28.080 on the internet,

01:38:28.720 nobody was into this.

01:38:29.680 I'm not bragging,

01:38:30.560 I'm not saying that

01:38:31.240 like I was,

01:38:32.860 like I'm not.

01:38:33.800 Jay Dyer,

01:38:34.300 theological hipster.

01:38:37.280 Well, I mean,

01:38:37.840 I was reading a lot

01:38:38.800 of this Monarchist stuff

01:38:39.960 and like I read

01:38:41.240 all of David Duke's

01:38:42.160 stuff 10 years ago.

01:38:43.300 I read Yaki,

01:38:44.180 I read Spangler,

01:38:45.020 I read all this stuff

01:38:45.600 like 10 years ago

01:38:46.380 and like nobody

01:38:47.140 believed this.

01:38:48.180 So I just didn't even

01:38:49.580 think there was any point

01:38:50.460 in talking about

01:38:51.160 any of this stuff

01:38:51.880 because it,

01:38:53.440 like who are you

01:38:54.080 going to talk to

01:38:54.620 about it?

01:38:55.260 Like there might be

01:38:55.880 one,

01:38:56.320 there might be

01:38:57.320 one forum,

01:38:58.240 right?

01:38:58.480 And then you're like,

01:38:59.500 well,

01:38:59.660 this forum's probably

01:39:00.300 run by a bunch of feds.

01:39:01.480 So like,

01:39:01.840 what's the point

01:39:02.340 of even going?

01:39:03.160 Right.

01:39:04.020 So I just gave up

01:39:05.200 even talking about it

01:39:06.240 and didn't,

01:39:06.960 I wasn't involved

01:39:07.580 in any movements

01:39:08.440 and just kind of

01:39:10.020 settled into just kind

01:39:12.140 of having,

01:39:12.640 having fun

01:39:13.140 and doing things

01:39:13.760 my way with like

01:39:14.960 the local,

01:39:15.780 like working in a

01:39:16.940 Rand Paul campaign

01:39:17.800 or something like that.

01:39:18.640 Cause again,

01:39:19.980 I mean,

01:39:20.220 nobody,

01:39:20.540 I didn't even know

01:39:21.220 anybody that knew

01:39:21.760 about this stuff

01:39:22.240 except for like two

01:39:22.840 friends.

01:39:23.120 I had two friends

01:39:23.980 that knew about

01:39:24.960 any of this stuff.

01:39:26.100 So it's very surprising.

01:39:27.420 I never would have

01:39:28.220 guessed any of this

01:39:28.820 stuff would be

01:39:29.540 get such a resurgence.

01:39:31.820 You know,

01:39:32.560 10 years ago,

01:39:33.500 nobody knew who

01:39:34.040 Avila was.

01:39:35.040 Like you can talk

01:39:35.840 to like two people.

01:39:36.560 Right.

01:39:36.860 Well now he's basically

01:39:37.800 a household name

01:39:38.420 on the far right.

01:39:39.660 Which is very strange.

01:39:41.840 But,

01:39:42.080 so what I'm getting at

01:39:44.280 is just that,

01:39:45.140 you know,

01:39:45.760 I understand that

01:39:47.060 these things through

01:39:47.620 the internet,

01:39:48.140 this stuff can,

01:39:49.000 you know,

01:39:49.740 spill out into reality

01:39:50.900 and you can't have

01:39:51.520 change.

01:39:52.980 There's a lot more

01:39:53.880 possibilities,

01:39:55.140 you know,

01:39:55.400 as I was saying earlier

01:39:56.480 than I would have

01:39:57.080 dreamed of 10 years ago.

01:39:58.680 But,

01:39:59.340 so,

01:40:01.100 I,

01:40:01.580 in my view,

01:40:02.580 I just,

01:40:03.140 I just hope for

01:40:04.180 the alteration perhaps

01:40:06.100 of the existing

01:40:06.800 structures.

01:40:07.340 I'd appreciate that

01:40:08.400 approach of Dugan

01:40:09.280 that,

01:40:10.140 you know,

01:40:10.400 he,

01:40:10.640 he doesn't think

01:40:11.480 that you can have

01:40:12.320 like a,

01:40:14.540 like,

01:40:15.180 I mean,

01:40:15.380 I'm,

01:40:15.620 I'm for the new

01:40:16.480 right movements

01:40:17.280 like Le Pen

01:40:18.000 and these things.

01:40:19.060 They're not as perfect

01:40:20.300 as I,

01:40:20.680 as I'd like them

01:40:21.440 to be,

01:40:21.900 but,

01:40:22.240 but I think

01:40:24.040 that if,

01:40:25.660 you have to,

01:40:26.320 you almost have to

01:40:27.080 kind of take over

01:40:28.620 the existing structures.

01:40:29.620 That's one of the things

01:40:30.600 I liked about Trump.

01:40:31.940 Right.

01:40:32.520 Was that I think

01:40:33.180 he did attempt

01:40:33.840 to do that,

01:40:35.100 even though he's

01:40:35.760 not perfect.

01:40:37.360 Because I don't think,

01:40:38.460 I don't think you can

01:40:39.480 like start a whole

01:40:40.720 other thing.

01:40:41.520 I'm not saying

01:40:41.960 you guys are saying

01:40:42.660 that,

01:40:42.940 but the ideal

01:40:44.240 has to mesh

01:40:45.000 with the real.

01:40:45.600 And so I think

01:40:46.300 that,

01:40:46.700 right.

01:40:46.780 We,

01:40:46.920 we talked about

01:40:47.560 this,

01:40:47.900 you know,

01:40:48.080 a lot.

01:40:48.800 And basically

01:40:49.380 the conclusion

01:40:49.960 that,

01:40:50.340 you know,

01:40:50.560 we,

01:40:50.820 we've come to

01:40:51.600 is,

01:40:51.760 is thus,

01:40:52.440 right?

01:40:53.360 For me,

01:40:53.720 I can speak

01:40:54.140 from my own

01:40:54.520 personal philosophy

01:40:55.260 and then I can

01:40:55.920 speak kind of

01:40:56.500 in general

01:40:56.960 what we advocate

01:40:57.660 in terms of

01:40:58.120 tactics.

01:40:59.360 I want to be

01:40:59.880 here's what I'd

01:41:01.220 say.

01:41:01.500 I say we should

01:41:02.560 adopt a lot

01:41:03.340 of those left

01:41:03.840 tactics.

01:41:04.500 And that's what I

01:41:05.040 think.

01:41:05.400 The reason that

01:41:05.920 the alt-right

01:41:06.360 was successful

01:41:07.040 was that they

01:41:07.500 started using

01:41:08.380 Alinsky-style

01:41:09.660 tactics against

01:41:10.520 the left

01:41:10.980 online.

01:41:11.820 Precisely,

01:41:12.120 I was saying

01:41:13.800 people,

01:41:14.260 I'm not bragging

01:41:15.060 because nobody

01:41:15.460 listened to me

01:41:16.040 10 years ago,

01:41:16.800 but I said

01:41:17.280 10 years ago

01:41:17.820 people should

01:41:18.240 be doing that,

01:41:18.940 but nobody,

01:41:19.760 I had a blog

01:41:20.300 back then that,

01:41:21.040 you know,

01:41:21.220 nobody was really

01:41:21.780 listening to.

01:41:22.520 So,

01:41:23.000 but,

01:41:23.320 I don't know,

01:41:25.500 I just,

01:41:25.840 you know what,

01:41:26.240 I should have

01:41:26.580 just kept blogging

01:41:27.400 because that'd be

01:41:28.020 like 10 times

01:41:28.740 more prominent

01:41:29.320 than I am now

01:41:30.020 if I had not

01:41:31.420 given it up

01:41:31.960 10 years ago.

01:41:32.800 there is,

01:41:34.360 there's a Bible

01:41:34.860 where I think

01:41:35.540 really captures

01:41:36.420 all of this

01:41:36.920 pretty good

01:41:37.380 and that's

01:41:37.820 the kingdom of

01:41:38.400 God is not

01:41:39.280 of this world.

01:41:40.660 We can't really

01:41:41.480 get this

01:41:42.040 perfect

01:41:42.620 devolvian

01:41:43.360 trad-shad

01:41:44.380 monarchy

01:41:44.840 or whatever

01:41:45.220 when I call it

01:41:45.860 in this world.

01:41:46.700 I mean,

01:41:46.960 this is just

01:41:47.540 beyond what

01:41:48.320 you can get here.

01:41:49.420 I mean,

01:41:49.640 we can get

01:41:50.140 like a virtue

01:41:51.120 season,

01:41:51.620 but we can't

01:41:52.140 really get

01:41:52.560 this great

01:41:54.580 absolute monarch.

01:41:55.960 Well,

01:41:56.420 look though,

01:41:56.800 here's something

01:41:57.400 that occurred

01:41:57.920 to me,

01:41:58.520 like,

01:41:59.560 I was talking

01:42:00.120 about this

01:42:00.500 in the

01:42:00.940 Orthodoxy

01:42:02.060 and the

01:42:02.220 Religion of

01:42:02.640 Future

01:42:02.880 talk I did.

01:42:03.580 You know,

01:42:05.160 so to prepare

01:42:06.080 for the spread

01:42:06.640 of Christianity,

01:42:07.540 a lot of

01:42:07.920 theologians

01:42:08.860 from various

01:42:09.780 traditions

01:42:10.160 have argued

01:42:10.720 that Koine 0.97

01:42:11.840 Greek

01:42:12.420 is what

01:42:13.060 helped make

01:42:14.240 Christianity

01:42:14.760 successful

01:42:15.440 early on

01:42:16.080 because you

01:42:16.760 had a common

01:42:17.420 language that

01:42:18.020 spread through

01:42:18.540 Alexander's

01:42:19.340 conquest.

01:42:21.060 So perhaps,

01:42:22.440 and I'm just

01:42:22.840 throwing this out

01:42:23.420 as a possibility,

01:42:24.420 I mean,

01:42:24.600 we don't know

01:42:25.200 what's coming

01:42:26.680 in the future.

01:42:27.300 There's all

01:42:27.620 kinds of

01:42:28.060 possibilities.

01:42:28.620 And so the

01:42:29.680 internet could

01:42:30.500 be like the

01:42:31.140 Koine Greek 0.99

01:42:31.920 of our

01:42:32.320 day for

01:42:33.660 the spread

01:42:34.340 of,

01:42:34.940 you know,

01:42:36.220 Orthodox

01:42:36.600 theology and

01:42:37.920 a total

01:42:38.440 change.

01:42:39.140 We just

01:42:39.600 don't know.

01:42:40.020 We don't

01:42:40.220 have to

01:42:40.580 have these,

01:42:41.160 you know,

01:42:43.300 Achilleastic 1.00

01:42:44.200 negative

01:42:44.880 approaches to

01:42:46.040 the world

01:42:46.840 and to the

01:42:47.360 future.

01:42:48.820 Yeah.

01:42:49.440 We're not,

01:42:50.760 like,

01:42:51.020 we're not,

01:42:52.320 you know,

01:42:52.560 here's the thing

01:42:53.200 is sometimes

01:42:53.560 we get in

01:42:54.460 the far right

01:42:55.580 is you get

01:42:56.040 kind of this

01:42:56.400 reverse Marxism

01:42:57.380 except instead

01:42:57.980 of class

01:42:58.440 struggle.

01:42:58.960 It's like

01:42:59.160 the race

01:42:59.560 war.

01:43:01.000 And,

01:43:01.260 like,

01:43:01.360 the race

01:43:01.680 war is this

01:43:02.240 scientific

01:43:02.920 inevitable

01:43:03.660 fact that

01:43:04.960 must and

01:43:05.660 will occur

01:43:06.200 because of,

01:43:06.780 like,

01:43:06.940 competing in

01:43:08.180 groups.

01:43:10.100 You know,

01:43:10.340 I mean,

01:43:10.580 there's a

01:43:10.880 certain level

01:43:11.480 of truth

01:43:11.960 to,

01:43:12.420 you know,

01:43:12.780 different groups

01:43:13.600 together

01:43:13.960 competing

01:43:14.460 for resources.

01:43:15.220 There's going

01:43:15.460 to be

01:43:15.640 conflict,

01:43:16.440 but I also

01:43:18.080 think that

01:43:18.480 the future

01:43:19.080 is not set.

01:43:20.640 Well,

01:43:21.060 the internet

01:43:21.700 has enabled

01:43:22.460 the alt-right.

01:43:23.300 I never

01:43:23.520 would have

01:43:23.760 dreamed of

01:43:24.100 this 10

01:43:24.480 years ago.

01:43:25.240 So,

01:43:26.360 again,

01:43:26.880 what does

01:43:27.280 that say?

01:43:27.680 Well,

01:43:27.840 that says

01:43:28.320 that there's

01:43:28.640 all kinds

01:43:29.060 of possibilities

01:43:29.820 for the

01:43:30.320 future.

01:43:31.600 Yeah.

01:43:32.220 I mean,

01:43:32.620 the problem

01:43:33.000 is that,

01:43:33.440 you know,

01:43:33.640 it still has

01:43:34.200 to manifest

01:43:34.640 itself outside

01:43:35.560 the internet.

01:43:36.960 Right.

01:43:37.400 But,

01:43:38.200 I mean,

01:43:38.600 I agree

01:43:39.180 that the

01:43:39.700 internet

01:43:39.940 has done

01:43:40.260 a lot.

01:43:40.600 I mean,

01:43:40.740 without the

01:43:41.380 internet,

01:43:42.520 I mean,

01:43:42.720 I wouldn't

01:43:43.020 know about

01:43:43.420 Spangler,

01:43:43.840 I wouldn't

01:43:43.980 read Spangler,

01:43:44.520 I wouldn't,

01:43:44.960 you know,

01:43:45.460 have heard of

01:43:46.200 Evola or

01:43:47.240 any of these

01:43:48.080 guys.

01:43:49.320 Right.

01:43:49.660 It would probably

01:43:50.080 be some

01:43:51.260 Noemi or

01:43:52.280 whatever you want

01:43:52.800 to say.

01:43:54.460 Well,

01:43:54.900 I mean,

01:43:55.100 even Trump,

01:43:56.540 who could have

01:43:57.220 seen that,

01:43:57.880 like,

01:43:58.160 even two years

01:43:59.440 ago?

01:43:59.740 And then

01:44:00.480 all the stuff

01:44:01.180 that he's just

01:44:01.780 brought up in

01:44:02.580 his campaign

01:44:03.200 or even so

01:44:03.920 far.

01:44:04.500 I mean,

01:44:04.700 that's huge.

01:44:06.280 Yeah.

01:44:06.540 I mean,

01:44:06.900 this is to

01:44:08.420 stretch it a bit,

01:44:09.080 but you could

01:44:09.520 kind of see

01:44:10.140 Trump as a

01:44:11.240 Spanglerian,

01:44:12.120 Anglo-Caeser

01:44:12.900 figure.

01:44:13.800 I mean,

01:44:14.040 he doesn't

01:44:14.540 compete with

01:44:15.440 the legions

01:44:16.400 like a Germanic

01:44:17.680 general Caesar

01:44:18.560 would do.

01:44:19.520 Spangler pointed

01:44:20.020 out in,

01:44:20.660 I think it was

01:44:20.980 Prussianism and

01:44:21.580 Socialism,

01:44:22.040 but he uses

01:44:22.760 the shekel to 0.99

01:44:23.780 fight the shekel.

01:44:25.340 And he's

01:44:26.180 winning.

01:44:28.240 Now,

01:44:28.780 maybe he's a

01:44:29.480 part of the

01:44:29.860 establishment.

01:44:30.440 I mean,

01:44:30.760 it's hard to

01:44:31.580 know because,

01:44:32.420 I mean,

01:44:32.620 much of these

01:44:33.160 things we

01:44:33.480 actually do

01:44:34.000 not know.

01:44:35.020 We're guessing.

01:44:36.180 We're like

01:44:36.480 trying to make

01:44:37.520 a theory with

01:44:38.820 some dots of

01:44:39.580 light.

01:44:41.100 But still,

01:44:42.360 time will

01:44:42.980 tell.

01:44:44.520 Absolutely.

01:44:45.700 Yeah.

01:44:46.080 So going back

01:44:46.640 to what I was

01:44:47.280 saying was that,

01:44:48.260 yeah,

01:44:48.440 I mean,

01:44:48.600 I think you're

01:44:48.980 right,

01:44:49.240 Jay.

01:44:49.520 And I think

01:44:50.020 that this is

01:44:50.360 something that

01:44:50.780 I've argued

01:44:51.340 a lot on

01:44:52.640 this program

01:44:53.380 is that,

01:44:54.160 I mean,

01:44:55.140 the reason why

01:44:56.760 we're in this

01:44:57.360 precarious political

01:44:58.120 situation is like

01:44:59.320 a decline of

01:44:59.960 virtue.

01:45:00.940 I mean,

01:45:01.180 that's it.

01:45:02.260 If we had

01:45:03.240 retained a

01:45:04.540 society full of

01:45:05.660 virtuous people,

01:45:07.420 we never would

01:45:08.080 have ever gotten

01:45:08.740 to the situation

01:45:09.600 where we

01:45:10.960 experienced the

01:45:11.540 cultural Marxism

01:45:12.360 or the foreign

01:45:13.440 invasion that we're

01:45:14.360 experiencing now

01:45:15.120 in Europe.

01:45:16.720 And so fundamentally,

01:45:17.900 like that's,

01:45:18.700 for me,

01:45:19.040 like I want to be

01:45:19.940 a priest,

01:45:20.460 right?

01:45:20.600 I want to be an

01:45:20.980 Orthodox priest.

01:45:21.660 I don't want to be

01:45:22.240 a politician because

01:45:23.400 I think that the

01:45:24.140 direct issue is one

01:45:25.320 that's spiritual.

01:45:26.080 Exactly.

01:45:27.160 I mean,

01:45:27.420 the politician

01:45:28.740 will always have

01:45:29.500 to compromise

01:45:29.960 and all this

01:45:30.380 stuff.

01:45:30.620 I mean,

01:45:30.760 it is the

01:45:31.560 actual mission

01:45:32.280 of the church

01:45:32.900 to be this

01:45:33.500 rock.

01:45:35.700 You can't have

01:45:36.940 that in the

01:45:37.420 sphere of

01:45:37.720 politics.

01:45:38.660 The priest,

01:45:39.340 the church,

01:45:39.940 must give

01:45:40.760 the morals.

01:45:41.380 That's why

01:45:41.780 everything can

01:45:43.080 be solved

01:45:43.660 to a very large

01:45:44.820 degree,

01:45:45.180 at least,

01:45:45.360 if you actually

01:45:45.840 just have the

01:45:46.520 church back in

01:45:47.160 society.

01:45:48.500 Exactly.

01:45:49.480 Even things

01:45:50.640 that can seem

01:45:51.420 unrelated.

01:45:51.880 For example,

01:45:52.640 let's say,

01:45:54.340 I mean,

01:45:54.500 Sweden,

01:45:54.920 we have a

01:45:55.340 bunch of

01:45:55.740 people basically

01:45:56.560 sitting home

01:45:57.700 alone all the

01:45:58.200 time.

01:45:58.780 Imagine if

01:45:59.460 these people

01:46:00.000 go to church

01:46:00.960 on Sunday.

01:46:01.460 They would

01:46:01.640 meet new

01:46:02.000 people.

01:46:02.920 They would

01:46:03.200 get a sense

01:46:03.660 of meaning

01:46:04.080 in life and

01:46:04.760 all this

01:46:05.100 stuff.

01:46:06.000 But we

01:46:06.640 don't go

01:46:07.020 there because

01:46:07.420 we say,

01:46:08.480 oh,

01:46:08.620 I want to

01:46:09.220 sit at

01:46:09.500 home and

01:46:09.900 I want to,

01:46:10.660 I don't

01:46:10.860 know,

01:46:11.120 watch football

01:46:11.960 or play

01:46:12.480 games or

01:46:13.440 yeah.

01:46:14.960 Yeah,

01:46:15.260 look at it

01:46:15.640 this way.

01:46:16.180 Like,

01:46:16.480 there's a

01:46:16.980 reason why

01:46:17.620 football,

01:46:18.620 I think,

01:46:18.960 is on

01:46:19.380 Sunday because

01:46:20.720 you're going

01:46:21.200 to sit at

01:46:21.880 and watch,

01:46:22.760 you know,

01:46:23.060 it's like

01:46:23.380 what you were

01:46:23.680 saying earlier,

01:46:24.300 Jay,

01:46:24.520 about movies

01:46:25.720 being kind

01:46:26.300 of a ritual.

01:46:27.040 Well,

01:46:27.300 I don't think

01:46:27.900 professional football

01:46:29.100 or any other

01:46:29.820 pro sports is

01:46:30.700 any different.

01:46:32.220 Yeah.

01:46:33.020 I mean,

01:46:33.380 plus,

01:46:33.800 you know,

01:46:34.780 maybe I'm

01:46:35.580 overanalyzing

01:46:36.460 a bit,

01:46:36.900 but I mean,

01:46:37.920 what's a football?

01:46:38.620 It's two teams

01:46:39.220 and they're

01:46:39.500 competing to win

01:46:40.240 for the sake

01:46:40.780 of winning.

01:46:41.580 I mean,

01:46:41.840 that's this,

01:46:42.540 you know,

01:46:42.840 Nietzschean

01:46:43.240 mentality is rising

01:46:44.200 for the sake

01:46:44.680 of rising.

01:46:46.620 While in the

01:46:47.340 church,

01:46:47.640 you don't have

01:46:48.100 that.

01:46:48.300 You have,

01:46:48.820 you know your

01:46:49.500 place,

01:46:49.940 you're supposed

01:46:50.440 to have a

01:46:50.800 certain order

01:46:51.380 and I mean,

01:46:51.980 in the liturgy,

01:46:52.960 every single

01:46:53.980 person has

01:46:55.200 his place.

01:46:56.300 I mean,

01:46:56.460 you have,

01:46:57.040 you know,

01:46:57.520 we have incense,

01:46:58.220 it's beautiful.

01:46:58.800 You have a reader,

01:47:00.440 you have,

01:47:01.000 you know,

01:47:01.380 the deacons,

01:47:02.020 you have the priest,

01:47:02.600 you have the bishop

01:47:03.100 and all this stuff.

01:47:03.740 They all know

01:47:04.360 their place

01:47:04.980 and it's a symphony.

01:47:06.820 It's beautiful.

01:47:07.560 Right.

01:47:08.520 Absolutely,

01:47:09.080 yeah.

01:47:10.180 It points to

01:47:11.320 the eternal

01:47:11.880 and that was

01:47:13.700 the big victory

01:47:14.880 of the devil,

01:47:16.420 you could argue,

01:47:17.160 was the removal

01:47:18.180 of the notion

01:47:19.120 of eternality.

01:47:20.440 and fixity

01:47:22.580 from political

01:47:24.700 and social life

01:47:25.840 and what that did

01:47:26.620 was basically

01:47:27.300 just leave everybody

01:47:28.380 in flux

01:47:29.960 as we've talked

01:47:30.600 about many times

01:47:32.060 and then what happens

01:47:33.220 is the state

01:47:33.880 steps in

01:47:34.400 to fill that void,

01:47:35.440 be it the corporate state,

01:47:36.520 be it the Marxist state,

01:47:37.500 be it whatever state

01:47:38.220 you want

01:47:38.640 and it becomes

01:47:40.380 the new god

01:47:40.980 and it becomes

01:47:41.540 the new,

01:47:42.260 you know.

01:47:43.380 Are you,

01:47:43.960 by the way,

01:47:46.800 there's one thing here,

01:47:48.000 I gotta say this

01:47:49.000 before I forget it,

01:47:49.840 that's really,

01:47:50.540 really freaky

01:47:50.980 and you talk about

01:47:51.680 this,

01:47:51.940 how the state

01:47:52.340 becomes god.

01:47:53.880 These transgender 0.97

01:47:54.680 people who want,

01:47:55.860 you know,

01:47:56.140 a third legal gender

01:47:57.760 or, you know,

01:47:58.860 want to change

01:47:59.620 legal gender,

01:48:00.160 it's the same thing here.

01:48:01.700 They are so insecure,

01:48:03.000 they want, you know,

01:48:03.840 this reassurement,

01:48:04.940 oh, you are actually women 1.00

01:48:06.100 and this is why

01:48:07.080 they get so happy

01:48:07.880 when they get like

01:48:08.600 a new social security number.

01:48:10.360 The state is their god

01:48:11.780 and their god

01:48:12.580 has acknowledged them

01:48:13.540 with a new gender. 0.93

01:48:14.720 It's absurdly sick 0.99

01:48:16.180 and it's,

01:48:16.920 it's just,

01:48:18.000 it's sad

01:48:18.680 and they lash out

01:48:20.400 if you point it out.

01:48:21.820 Well, that's why

01:48:22.620 people don't understand,

01:48:23.780 a lot of times

01:48:24.180 people will mistake me

01:48:25.300 for a libertarian

01:48:26.160 or they'll mistake me

01:48:27.740 for a statist

01:48:28.460 and I try to explain

01:48:30.200 that no, no, no,

01:48:30.780 I'm neither one

01:48:31.420 because the only way

01:48:32.300 to have liberty

01:48:33.300 is to have law

01:48:34.520 and the only way

01:48:35.040 to have law

01:48:35.580 is to have a grounding

01:48:36.640 in divine law.

01:48:38.160 Otherwise,

01:48:38.700 you're at the whims

01:48:39.560 of the power elite,

01:48:41.780 will to power

01:48:42.440 and the state

01:48:43.160 and monetary power

01:48:45.380 and all of that

01:48:46.880 is,

01:48:48.200 the only way

01:48:49.260 to have law,

01:48:51.600 the only way

01:48:52.040 to have a moral society

01:48:53.140 is to have god

01:48:54.300 in society.

01:48:55.220 Exactly.

01:48:56.060 Otherwise,

01:48:56.720 you've got

01:48:57.300 just will to power.

01:49:00.540 Yes, exactly,

01:49:01.460 you're absolutely right.

01:49:02.800 I'm sorry

01:49:03.400 if I cut you off a bit

01:49:04.400 but this is...

01:49:06.480 No, and these

01:49:07.080 transgender people 1.00

01:49:07.960 are so stupid 1.00

01:49:08.560 because the 1969 1.00

01:49:11.300 Population Council memo

01:49:12.940 from Bernard Berrelson

01:49:14.180 to Planned Parenthood

01:49:16.060 says that all of this

01:49:17.740 was weaponized.

01:49:18.720 It's all to destroy them.

01:49:20.120 So, that's actually

01:49:21.480 a biblical principle too.

01:49:22.660 I mean, I think it's

01:49:23.140 in Amos or somewhere

01:49:24.080 but it even talks

01:49:24.940 about the fact

01:49:25.640 that barrenness itself 0.95

01:49:26.940 is a judgment

01:49:27.980 from God.

01:49:28.720 So, people become

01:49:31.400 their own worst enemies

01:49:32.260 and then, you know,

01:49:32.920 as Paul says

01:49:33.560 in Romans 1

01:49:34.100 and God hands them over.

01:49:35.620 So, very sad

01:49:37.140 but the irony

01:49:39.900 of all this

01:49:40.460 is that none of these

01:49:41.780 people will go

01:49:42.380 into the future.

01:49:44.260 Yeah, I mean,

01:49:45.060 that's the thing

01:49:45.540 with like birth rates,

01:49:47.180 you know,

01:49:47.460 like you get a lot

01:49:48.420 of white nationalists

01:49:49.320 that are like 0.51

01:49:49.760 all worried

01:49:50.400 about birth rates.

01:49:51.500 Well, when you control

01:49:53.040 for like liberals

01:49:54.020 who do not have children,

01:49:56.260 white birth rates

01:49:58.040 are actually doing well

01:49:58.880 because it's religious

01:49:59.780 conservatives

01:50:00.460 that are having children.

01:50:01.800 Yes, and I wanted

01:50:03.040 to add another point

01:50:03.960 too that you're

01:50:05.000 absolutely right

01:50:05.580 to talk about

01:50:06.120 the loss of virtue

01:50:07.000 because the main problem

01:50:09.300 that I have

01:50:09.840 with any of the

01:50:11.220 independent movements,

01:50:12.960 alt-right, libertarian,

01:50:15.580 so-called conservative,

01:50:17.820 all these different things,

01:50:20.740 their main problem

01:50:21.620 is that they have

01:50:23.640 the liberal presupposition

01:50:25.200 that there is

01:50:26.740 an external solution

01:50:28.300 to these problems.

01:50:31.020 It's going to be Trump.

01:50:32.180 It's going to be

01:50:32.760 the alt-right.

01:50:33.520 It's going to be

01:50:34.140 the implementation

01:50:35.000 of a monarchy.

01:50:35.960 It's going to be

01:50:36.460 this, this, this, this.

01:50:37.960 None of these external things

01:50:39.360 are going to solve

01:50:40.000 the problem

01:50:40.720 which is located

01:50:42.580 ultimately in man himself

01:50:45.040 in terms of his heart.

01:50:46.380 So you have to have

01:50:47.480 a change in people's

01:50:48.540 attitudes,

01:50:49.180 a change in heart,

01:50:50.220 metanoia, repentance,

01:50:52.080 before you can

01:50:53.040 think about the external.

01:50:55.800 So that's why

01:50:56.360 you're absolutely right

01:50:57.040 with the theological.

01:50:57.820 Absolutely, that's precise.

01:50:59.060 And this is,

01:50:59.580 we actually just did

01:51:00.360 an episode on

01:51:01.100 spiritual warfare

01:51:01.980 a couple of episodes ago.

01:51:04.180 I mean, and this is

01:51:04.780 what we talk about.

01:51:05.680 I mean, Avila is specific

01:51:06.960 in this and his

01:51:07.560 metaphysics of war.

01:51:08.840 It's just that all

01:51:09.560 victory externally

01:51:10.780 is a manifestation

01:51:11.580 of the internal victory

01:51:12.800 over the passions.

01:51:15.000 Yes.

01:51:16.260 Exactly.

01:51:17.140 I mean, this is,

01:51:17.960 this is,

01:51:18.280 this is a widely

01:51:19.360 acknowledged, you know,

01:51:20.380 fact, you guys can

01:51:21.060 go back and listen to this.

01:51:22.040 But yeah, I mean,

01:51:22.800 I just, let's just 0.99

01:51:23.760 get hit the racist 0.96

01:51:24.420 liberalism thing

01:51:25.260 for a second.

01:51:26.040 I mean, there are

01:51:27.760 a lot of people

01:51:28.500 on the alt-right

01:51:29.760 or the far-right,

01:51:31.160 you know, I mean,

01:51:31.580 we're pretty harshly

01:51:32.380 critical of Richard Spencer,

01:51:33.720 you know, for this,

01:51:34.620 is that, you know,

01:51:35.620 basically what they want

01:51:36.680 is, in their own words,

01:51:37.920 like a nice white country.

01:51:39.640 And so they want to go

01:51:41.120 back to this 1920s,

01:51:43.620 1950s, bourgeois,

01:51:46.740 capitalist, you know,

01:51:48.160 white lifestyle.

01:51:50.420 And they think that

01:51:51.320 if we remove 0.99

01:51:52.180 Negroes and Hispanics, 1.00

01:51:54.700 you know, 1.00

01:51:54.960 the undesirable races, 1.00

01:51:57.040 that we can, you know,

01:51:57.940 go back to reclaim

01:51:59.260 this, like,

01:51:59.760 lost vision of

01:52:02.140 white America 0.65

01:52:02.980 that once was.

01:52:04.040 This Norman Rockwell photo.

01:52:05.420 And I guess what I just

01:52:09.000 wanted to, you know,

01:52:09.780 say is, like,

01:52:11.700 I wanted to talk about

01:52:12.820 why operating on

01:52:14.720 these fundamentally,

01:52:16.160 like,

01:52:16.540 enlightenment,

01:52:17.260 liberal

01:52:17.760 presuppositions

01:52:19.740 and worldviews

01:52:21.120 are ultimately

01:52:21.940 just going to lead

01:52:22.700 to us going right back

01:52:23.720 to the place

01:52:24.120 that we are today

01:52:24.980 and that we need

01:52:25.760 to reject

01:52:26.920 the worldview

01:52:28.760 and the metaphysical

01:52:29.880 claims

01:52:30.500 that have led us

01:52:31.780 to this situation.

01:52:33.220 And if we don't do that,

01:52:34.520 it's,

01:52:35.160 it's,

01:52:35.700 we're just going to

01:52:36.180 wind right back up

01:52:37.100 where we started.

01:52:38.240 Well,

01:52:38.700 that's why,

01:52:39.620 one of the reasons

01:52:40.460 that I talk so much

01:52:41.680 about Darwinism

01:52:42.540 and about,

01:52:43.320 well,

01:52:45.260 more and more

01:52:45.700 I've been talking

01:52:46.320 about higher critical

01:52:48.420 approaches to

01:52:49.560 destroying belief

01:52:51.060 in scripture

01:52:51.620 is that that's what

01:52:52.840 led to a lot of

01:52:53.800 where we are now.

01:52:54.960 So,

01:52:55.880 I know that Richard's

01:52:56.860 view is that

01:52:57.900 I believe he said

01:52:59.640 something to the effect

01:53:00.460 of that he

01:53:02.260 eventually got tired

01:53:03.240 of Christianity

01:53:03.780 at some point

01:53:04.600 because he realized

01:53:06.460 that a bunch

01:53:08.600 of the New Testament

01:53:09.280 texts talk about

01:53:10.480 like the return

01:53:12.860 of Christ

01:53:13.440 and that most churches

01:53:14.700 have interpreted

01:53:15.440 this imminently

01:53:16.360 like in Matthew 24

01:53:17.580 or,

01:53:18.320 you know,

01:53:19.620 readings of the book

01:53:20.220 of Revelation

01:53:20.640 or something like that.

01:53:21.560 And so,

01:53:21.880 therefore,

01:53:22.200 because Christ

01:53:23.020 didn't return

01:53:23.720 to the people

01:53:24.440 that he was speaking

01:53:25.020 to in his immediate

01:53:26.460 audience,

01:53:27.120 be it the apostles

01:53:27.880 or John's,

01:53:29.380 you know,

01:53:29.860 letter to the seven

01:53:30.600 churches or whatever.

01:53:31.940 Therefore,

01:53:32.800 you know,

01:53:33.280 obviously the New Testament

01:53:34.460 has faulty data

01:53:35.860 or Christ was wrong

01:53:37.680 or whatever.

01:53:39.140 And so,

01:53:39.820 one of the great things

01:53:40.700 that I learned

01:53:41.700 when I was a Protestant,

01:53:44.140 when I was a Reconstructionist

01:53:45.200 Calvinist,

01:53:45.780 was that a lot of this

01:53:47.740 is understood

01:53:48.280 in terms of preterism.

01:53:50.540 And preterism

01:53:51.240 is the idea

01:53:51.900 that many of these prophecies

01:53:53.920 are fulfilled

01:53:54.420 in the destruction

01:53:55.560 of the temple

01:53:56.000 in 70 AD.

01:53:57.620 And that actually

01:53:58.600 becomes a great

01:54:00.340 testimony

01:54:01.440 to the veracity

01:54:02.920 of the scriptures

01:54:03.840 when you understand this.

01:54:05.940 So,

01:54:06.460 just to make this brief,

01:54:08.360 I know we could go

01:54:08.880 on this topic

01:54:09.720 for forever,

01:54:10.460 but if you look

01:54:11.660 at Luke 21,

01:54:12.820 that's actually

01:54:13.620 a more enlightening

01:54:15.160 commentary

01:54:15.720 on what's going on

01:54:17.820 at 70 AD

01:54:18.720 and the Olivet

01:54:20.320 Discourse of Christ

01:54:21.360 than just what you read

01:54:22.880 in Matthew 24.

01:54:23.680 So,

01:54:24.020 like,

01:54:24.180 if you just read

01:54:24.700 Matthew 24,

01:54:25.500 a lot of people

01:54:25.860 get pigeonholed

01:54:27.780 into this kind of

01:54:28.640 John Hagee 0.61

01:54:29.940 evangelical nonsense

01:54:31.120 where they think

01:54:31.980 that Matthew 24

01:54:32.860 is talking about

01:54:33.560 the end of the world

01:54:34.340 in totality.

01:54:35.500 Now,

01:54:35.640 I believe that it is.

01:54:36.700 It is partly talking

01:54:37.760 about the end of the world.

01:54:38.520 But,

01:54:38.740 if you read Luke's account,

01:54:41.340 Luke 21,

01:54:43.980 it sheds further light

01:54:46.980 on the fact

01:54:47.480 that Jesus is talking

01:54:48.500 about what they're going

01:54:50.320 to see in their generation.

01:54:51.780 And he talks about

01:54:52.460 that the temple

01:54:53.820 of Jerusalem

01:54:54.260 will be surrounded

01:54:54.920 by the Roman armies.

01:54:57.240 You know,

01:54:57.380 Titus Vespasian

01:54:58.180 comes in

01:54:58.640 and destroys the temple

01:54:59.400 in 70 AD.

01:55:00.240 And all of this

01:55:00.860 matches up perfectly

01:55:01.940 to what you find

01:55:03.980 in the book

01:55:04.360 of the Apocalypse.

01:55:05.220 So,

01:55:05.720 once that's understood,

01:55:07.660 like,

01:55:07.860 a lot of these

01:55:08.800 supposed

01:55:09.260 higher critical arguments

01:55:10.480 about the falsehood

01:55:13.580 of the New Testament

01:55:14.740 fall apart.

01:55:15.740 Well,

01:55:16.380 you know,

01:55:16.700 that's absolutely,

01:55:17.320 it's precise.

01:55:18.200 And,

01:55:18.300 I mean,

01:55:18.520 this,

01:55:18.880 once you have

01:55:19.440 this key,

01:55:21.440 I mean,

01:55:21.800 you see this message

01:55:22.540 echo throughout

01:55:23.760 the entirety

01:55:24.480 of this,

01:55:25.000 of not even just

01:55:26.240 the Synoptic Gospels,

01:55:27.100 but also the Gospel

01:55:27.960 of John.

01:55:28.780 I mean,

01:55:29.020 like,

01:55:29.220 a good example

01:55:29.840 is this is,

01:55:31.320 so,

01:55:31.740 I mean,

01:55:32.500 you know what,

01:55:33.040 we should just get

01:55:33.840 right into theology

01:55:34.580 because this is,

01:55:35.280 I mean,

01:55:35.480 I'm studying this

01:55:36.220 in university,

01:55:36.860 so this is my podcast,

01:55:38.280 so we're just going

01:55:38.760 to talk about theology.

01:55:42.260 You know,

01:55:42.800 John very explicitly

01:55:44.340 talks about,

01:55:45.120 like,

01:55:46.380 all of the valleys

01:55:47.600 being filled

01:55:48.160 and the roads

01:55:48.600 made straight,

01:55:49.960 right?

01:55:50.320 And this is the witness

01:55:51.140 that he offers

01:55:51.760 at the beginning

01:55:52.440 of the Gospel

01:55:53.040 of John

01:55:53.440 after the prologue,

01:55:54.880 you know,

01:55:55.300 describing the word

01:55:56.840 becoming flesh.

01:55:58.920 And so,

01:55:59.820 in the Gospel

01:56:01.040 of John,

01:56:01.720 the first person

01:56:02.840 that the word,

01:56:06.720 that Jesus Christ

01:56:07.400 announces his divinity

01:56:08.480 to is the Samaritan

01:56:09.840 licentious woman 1.00

01:56:12.440 when he's by the well, 0.89

01:56:14.940 the well of Jacob.

01:56:15.640 And so the theology

01:56:17.260 of the Samaritans,

01:56:18.700 you know,

01:56:18.880 actually,

01:56:19.620 what they believed

01:56:20.500 was that,

01:56:21.200 you know,

01:56:21.760 the true,

01:56:22.960 they were,

01:56:23.620 in fact,

01:56:23.920 like the true remnant

01:56:24.840 of the worship

01:56:25.780 of Israel

01:56:26.360 descended from

01:56:27.080 the priesthood

01:56:27.620 of Aaron.

01:56:28.740 Yeah,

01:56:29.220 I'm familiar,

01:56:29.780 right.

01:56:30.140 Right,

01:56:30.460 exactly.

01:56:30.920 And so they believed

01:56:31.500 that,

01:56:31.700 you know,

01:56:31.900 their temple

01:56:33.080 had been buried

01:56:34.020 underneath Mount

01:56:35.460 Gerzim.

01:56:37.320 Gerzim,

01:56:37.780 yeah.

01:56:38.280 Gerzim,

01:56:38.880 in that,

01:56:39.500 you know,

01:56:39.960 when the Messiah,

01:56:40.880 the one who was

01:56:41.900 to come,

01:56:42.740 came out,

01:56:43.500 he was going to

01:56:43.860 blow the top

01:56:44.480 off the temple.

01:56:45.160 Off the mountain

01:56:46.000 rather than

01:56:46.420 reveal the temple

01:56:47.060 and everybody

01:56:47.420 was going to

01:56:47.800 worship in truth.

01:56:48.900 So Jesus reveals,

01:56:50.840 you know,

01:56:51.580 his divinity

01:56:53.660 to this woman

01:56:54.300 and he says,

01:56:55.180 you know,

01:56:55.580 actually,

01:56:56.160 you kind of

01:56:56.460 have got it wrong

01:56:57.240 that it's going

01:56:57.820 to be worshipped.

01:56:59.120 The worship

01:56:59.480 is going to be

01:57:00.040 in truth

01:57:00.480 and in the spirit

01:57:01.220 all over the world.

01:57:02.800 But at the same time,

01:57:03.900 he doesn't blow

01:57:04.320 the top off the temple.

01:57:06.000 He doesn't blow

01:57:06.640 the top off the mountain

01:57:07.300 and reveal the temple,

01:57:08.080 but he does lay flat

01:57:09.160 the temple

01:57:09.620 in Jerusalem.

01:57:10.480 And so this is,

01:57:12.980 in my personal,

01:57:14.080 you know,

01:57:15.080 exegesis of this,

01:57:15.860 this is the fulfillment

01:57:16.740 directly of what

01:57:17.700 John is talking about

01:57:18.620 in the prophecy

01:57:19.160 of Isaiah,

01:57:20.600 you know,

01:57:22.060 that the valleys

01:57:24.380 are going to be filled,

01:57:25.600 right?

01:57:25.820 That there's this,

01:57:26.360 like,

01:57:26.660 equalization of,

01:57:28.940 you know,

01:57:30.380 in this kind of

01:57:31.460 procession of the eschaton,

01:57:32.680 this equalization

01:57:33.460 of these physical

01:57:35.580 places of worship

01:57:36.460 and that it's,

01:57:37.820 you know,

01:57:38.300 fundamentally the spirit

01:57:40.100 that is pleasing to God,

01:57:42.120 not the temple edifices.

01:57:44.560 Yes,

01:57:45.080 there are many texts

01:57:46.100 in the Old Testament

01:57:46.840 and in Isaiah

01:57:47.840 that speak precisely

01:57:50.100 of Gentile ministers

01:57:52.280 in the church.

01:57:53.160 I mean,

01:57:53.300 Isaiah says that,

01:57:54.160 he says,

01:57:54.500 Gentiles will be your priests 0.94

01:57:56.580 and they're like,

01:57:57.200 you know,

01:57:57.460 the Jews are like, 1.00

01:57:58.240 what?

01:57:58.580 What are you talking about? 1.00

01:57:59.960 Kill us. 1.00

01:58:00.900 So, 1.00

01:58:01.500 yeah,

01:58:02.620 and then at the,

01:58:03.680 at the end of Romans,

01:58:05.100 of course,

01:58:05.420 you know,

01:58:05.560 Paul quotes many

01:58:07.240 of the Psalms

01:58:07.900 to that effect

01:58:08.660 that,

01:58:09.040 you know,

01:58:09.440 all of the nations

01:58:10.120 are going to be joined

01:58:11.560 with Israel

01:58:13.420 in the worship

01:58:14.220 of the true God.

01:58:15.240 So,

01:58:15.660 so absolutely.

01:58:16.540 In other words,

01:58:17.000 I'm just getting that,

01:58:18.300 that you're,

01:58:19.520 you are correct

01:58:20.440 to point out

01:58:21.260 that the culmination

01:58:23.260 of the Old Covenant

01:58:24.020 in 70 AD

01:58:25.200 is crucial to understanding

01:58:26.840 a lot of the Bible

01:58:28.420 and it's crucial

01:58:29.340 to understanding Daniel 2

01:58:30.780 and Daniel 7

01:58:31.660 and Daniel 9

01:58:32.500 and unfortunately

01:58:34.240 many have not

01:58:35.300 and that's also,

01:58:36.980 it also is

01:58:37.760 the patristic teaching.

01:58:39.020 I've dug up

01:58:39.600 many quotes

01:58:40.320 from St. John Chrysostom

01:58:42.440 and others

01:58:42.980 that do talk

01:58:44.100 about preterism.

01:58:45.840 So,

01:58:46.880 anyway,

01:58:47.520 yeah,

01:58:48.780 I mean,

01:58:48.980 once you dismantle

01:58:50.080 that point

01:58:50.780 of the higher critics

01:58:51.740 and,

01:58:52.380 and a lot of people

01:58:53.320 are scared

01:58:53.820 of higher criticism,

01:58:54.740 they get intimidated

01:58:55.540 because they're like,

01:58:56.300 oh,

01:58:56.420 they studied Hebrew

01:58:57.220 and linguistics

01:58:57.940 but actually

01:58:58.720 when you understand

01:58:59.420 a lot of their

01:59:00.000 presuppositions,

01:59:01.640 it's very easy

01:59:02.260 to dismantle

01:59:02.980 it's just like Darwinism,

01:59:03.980 right?

01:59:04.160 It's like,

01:59:04.360 it has all this

01:59:04.880 veneer of like

01:59:06.240 being scientific

01:59:07.100 and scientism

01:59:08.060 and technical

01:59:08.640 and all that

01:59:09.020 but it's actually

01:59:09.540 not that,

01:59:10.160 not that profound.

01:59:11.660 In fact,

01:59:12.720 I can't find,

01:59:13.920 I forgot this woman's name 1.00

01:59:15.100 but she's like a Yale 1.00

01:59:15.860 professor or something

01:59:16.880 and what you discover

01:59:18.800 is that she's got

01:59:20.280 these lectures

01:59:20.760 on YouTube

01:59:21.240 on Julius Valhausen

01:59:22.940 and Valhausen

01:59:24.580 was the father

01:59:25.460 of higher critics

01:59:26.540 and documentary

01:59:28.800 hypotheses

01:59:29.400 and all that

01:59:29.980 and what's funny

01:59:32.320 about Valhausen

01:59:33.040 is that he says

01:59:34.060 he has an agenda

01:59:34.780 like his agenda

01:59:36.140 is to do

01:59:36.740 Yeah,

01:59:36.880 this is the father

01:59:37.920 of like,

01:59:38.380 you know,

01:59:38.560 the Yaleistic

01:59:39.320 Yeah,

01:59:40.480 J-E-P-D, 1.00

01:59:41.140 yeah.

01:59:41.520 Yeah,

01:59:41.660 exactly.

01:59:42.120 So,

01:59:42.420 he says he has an agenda

01:59:44.380 so this is not,

01:59:45.380 I thought we were doing

01:59:46.260 like neutral objective

01:59:47.700 scientific inquiry here,

01:59:48.940 right?

01:59:49.180 No,

01:59:49.640 actually we have an agenda

01:59:50.660 and so anyway

01:59:52.360 there's this Yale woman 1.00

01:59:54.080 who's like a student

01:59:55.320 of Valhausen

01:59:56.260 and higher critical stuff

01:59:58.140 and anyway

01:59:58.600 what's funny

01:59:59.300 is that she's

01:59:59.960 she's got these lectures

02:00:01.560 where she's

02:00:02.140 she's summarizing

02:00:04.020 where textual criticism

02:00:05.900 has gone

02:00:07.600 in the last few years

02:00:08.920 and like they don't believe

02:00:11.140 in Q anymore,

02:00:12.160 right?

02:00:12.340 So Q was like 0.67

02:00:13.400 this huge

02:00:14.140 linchpin 1.00

02:00:15.820 in their theories

02:00:17.320 of the origins

02:00:19.160 of,

02:00:19.640 you know,

02:00:19.820 where we get Mark,

02:00:20.820 the author of Mark

02:00:21.500 and all this kind of stuff

02:00:23.000 and oh no,

02:00:24.420 actually we've discarded that

02:00:25.560 so just like Darwinism

02:00:26.840 what you realize

02:00:27.800 is that

02:00:28.360 like they literally

02:00:29.840 every day

02:00:30.740 they're overturning

02:00:31.660 all their supposed

02:00:32.620 proofs and theories

02:00:33.720 and,

02:00:34.220 you know,

02:00:35.280 arguments against

02:00:36.100 the veracity

02:00:38.260 of the text

02:00:39.020 so there actually

02:00:40.920 isn't

02:00:41.480 a consistent

02:00:42.320 coherent position

02:00:43.260 that these people

02:00:44.300 have,

02:00:45.020 right?

02:00:45.260 Now I'm not saying

02:00:45.800 that there's not

02:00:46.220 textual difficulties

02:00:47.200 and all that

02:00:47.840 obviously there are

02:00:48.700 places in the text

02:00:50.200 Old and New Testament

02:00:51.300 where,

02:00:52.160 you know,

02:00:52.360 there's mysteries

02:00:52.860 and things we don't know

02:00:53.700 but what they do

02:00:54.940 is leap on this

02:00:55.660 kind of stuff

02:00:56.180 and they try to build

02:00:56.760 these giant cases

02:00:57.900 of,

02:00:58.580 you know,

02:00:59.680 nonsense

02:01:00.360 for which there's

02:01:00.980 absolutely no evidence

02:01:01.940 it's just some

02:01:02.640 academic trying to

02:01:03.900 make a name

02:01:04.360 for themselves

02:01:04.960 and,

02:01:05.460 you know,

02:01:05.620 talking about

02:01:06.260 queer theory

02:01:07.400 and the gospel

02:01:07.980 of John 0.99

02:01:08.460 or some bullshit 1.00

02:01:09.120 like that. 1.00

02:01:09.700 Well,

02:01:10.380 precisely.

02:01:11.140 I actually just

02:01:11.960 read an article

02:01:12.840 by Thomas Hopko

02:01:15.060 called The Bible

02:01:16.300 and the Orthodox Church

02:01:17.300 and he was basically

02:01:18.520 talking about,

02:01:19.740 I mean,

02:01:20.020 he was giving

02:01:20.760 the Orthodox position

02:01:22.040 on the integration

02:01:23.040 of textual criticism

02:01:24.060 into,

02:01:25.660 like,

02:01:27.240 an Orthodox understanding

02:01:28.200 of scripture

02:01:28.600 and,

02:01:28.880 I mean,

02:01:28.960 he points out

02:01:29.600 like very accurately

02:01:30.400 that,

02:01:30.800 like,

02:01:30.880 this is not new.

02:01:32.320 I mean,

02:01:32.620 literary criticism,

02:01:33.920 you know,

02:01:34.080 form gescheit,

02:01:34.740 all this kind of stuff,

02:01:35.540 I mean,

02:01:35.780 the church fathers

02:01:36.600 did this.

02:01:38.020 Sure.

02:01:38.580 I mean,

02:01:39.040 it was not invented,

02:01:41.600 you know,

02:01:42.560 in the 19th and 20th century.

02:01:44.780 Yeah,

02:01:44.880 but unfortunately

02:01:45.520 a lot of the mainline

02:01:47.380 Orthodox world

02:01:48.580 will tend to just go along

02:01:50.520 with all these presuppositions

02:01:51.640 just like Roman Catholic 0.98

02:01:52.940 higher criticism did too.

02:01:54.940 And then once you buy

02:01:55.920 into those presuppositions

02:01:57.260 of,

02:01:57.700 like,

02:01:58.080 documentary hypothesis

02:01:59.120 and all this stuff,

02:02:00.000 you're just led down

02:02:00.860 the road of,

02:02:02.820 like,

02:02:03.420 oh,

02:02:03.520 even Romanides,

02:02:04.560 you know,

02:02:05.400 bought into all the

02:02:06.200 higher critical stuff

02:02:07.040 and then admits

02:02:08.660 that the Bible's

02:02:09.720 got errors

02:02:10.520 and,

02:02:11.600 oh,

02:02:12.080 well,

02:02:12.400 it looks like evolution

02:02:13.160 might be true

02:02:13.960 and all this kind of stuff.

02:02:15.100 So,

02:02:15.760 it's just a dangerous

02:02:16.940 path to,

02:02:18.060 once you buy

02:02:18.860 the presuppositions,

02:02:20.100 you'll,

02:02:20.740 you can be led down

02:02:21.560 anywhere,

02:02:22.180 any of these

02:02:23.160 dangerous paths.

02:02:25.020 And the key point

02:02:26.160 that none of these people

02:02:26.960 figure out to do

02:02:28.360 is to question

02:02:29.440 the presuppositions

02:02:30.220 themselves.

02:02:31.040 And the very fact that,

02:02:32.960 you know,

02:02:33.200 the latest higher critical

02:02:34.440 scholars will sit there

02:02:35.520 and talk about the fact

02:02:36.380 that there's not

02:02:37.060 a single documentary

02:02:38.140 hypothesis and it changes

02:02:39.440 every few years

02:02:40.120 shows that this is not

02:02:41.280 really what it's been

02:02:42.240 presented as.

02:02:43.180 It's been sold by

02:02:44.340 these globalist-funded

02:02:45.400 things like the

02:02:46.020 Jesus Quest

02:02:46.740 as if it was this

02:02:48.640 huge scientific,

02:02:50.180 technical,

02:02:50.740 scholarly endeavor,

02:02:51.800 and it's not,

02:02:53.120 it has an agenda.

02:02:54.440 All right,

02:02:54.600 so you look at,

02:02:55.280 like,

02:02:55.600 Elaine Pagel's

02:02:56.560 Gnostic Gospels book,

02:02:59.140 right,

02:02:59.460 and she'll talk about

02:03:00.720 in the introduction

02:03:01.440 to it

02:03:01.960 that the UN

02:03:03.340 has supported

02:03:04.080 her work 0.89

02:03:04.640 and the promotion

02:03:06.400 of the discovery

02:03:07.580 of the,

02:03:08.160 now,

02:03:08.400 so there's an agenda

02:03:09.160 behind these things,

02:03:10.100 right,

02:03:10.300 so the Gnostic Gospels

02:03:12.000 and the promotion

02:03:12.640 of this across the world

02:03:13.840 and the Da Vinci Code

02:03:14.680 and all that,

02:03:15.520 it has a specific purpose

02:03:17.120 and big players

02:03:18.800 behind it.

02:03:19.420 It's not just

02:03:19.920 an organic development,

02:03:21.600 nor is higher criticism.

02:03:23.300 Higher criticism

02:03:23.840 is supported

02:03:25.760 by all these,

02:03:27.000 because there are people

02:03:28.480 who are devious

02:03:29.140 and who are smart

02:03:29.880 and they know

02:03:30.420 what things

02:03:31.180 will destroy

02:03:31.940 a religion.

02:03:32.460 Yeah,

02:03:33.900 I mean,

02:03:34.420 this,

02:03:35.020 much of this

02:03:35.460 doesn't even seem

02:03:36.480 to be much,

02:03:37.280 you know,

02:03:37.560 new stuff.

02:03:38.240 It's just all these

02:03:38.880 old heresies

02:03:39.700 that are

02:03:40.140 re-farmed

02:03:41.240 and re-made

02:03:43.740 and,

02:03:44.160 I mean,

02:03:44.340 you can see

02:03:45.240 another thread

02:03:47.560 with all of these

02:03:48.360 different sects

02:03:49.120 is that they take

02:03:49.720 like one verse

02:03:50.940 from the Bible

02:03:51.480 and they build

02:03:52.020 a whole system

02:03:52.700 out of it.

02:03:53.540 I mean,

02:03:53.740 you can see this

02:03:54.380 with the charismatics

02:03:55.320 for example,

02:03:55.940 you know,

02:03:56.120 the Holy Spirit

02:03:57.320 is going to,

02:03:58.020 you know,

02:03:58.280 flood all over the place.

02:03:59.560 And that's exactly

02:04:00.500 what the higher critics do.

02:04:01.380 They do the same thing

02:04:02.200 as the sects

02:04:03.160 and charismatics,

02:04:04.220 exactly.

02:04:05.180 And this really is sad.

02:04:07.400 I mean,

02:04:07.760 people are buying up

02:04:09.380 into this.

02:04:09.880 And,

02:04:10.080 you know,

02:04:10.400 from my experience

02:04:11.060 from what I see

02:04:11.760 in this country,

02:04:13.100 many people go to this sects

02:04:14.640 because they realize

02:04:15.400 that something is wrong

02:04:16.640 in the world.

02:04:17.040 They can't really say

02:04:17.980 what it is,

02:04:18.640 but something is wrong,

02:04:20.100 but then they get caught up

02:04:21.480 in this instead.

02:04:22.380 And slowly,

02:04:23.200 they just sink further,

02:04:24.480 further,

02:04:24.760 further into the swamp

02:04:25.600 and eventually,

02:04:27.280 yeah,

02:04:28.280 they think they can

02:04:29.220 faith heal

02:04:30.260 through telepathy 1.00

02:04:31.240 or some shits. 1.00

02:04:32.340 Yeah. 1.00

02:04:32.600 Yes.

02:04:33.080 Yeah.

02:04:33.620 To kind of continue on

02:04:34.540 in the theology

02:04:35.140 and then we'll hit

02:04:35.720 Kali Yuga news.

02:04:37.860 One of the things

02:04:38.660 that actually accompanied

02:04:39.580 my conversion to orthodoxy

02:04:41.020 was actually something

02:04:41.920 that you wrote,

02:04:42.600 Jay,

02:04:43.020 is when you talked about

02:04:43.980 and you wrote the article

02:04:45.520 for The Soul of the East,

02:04:46.540 How the West Became Atheist 0.91

02:04:47.780 and you did your deconstruction

02:04:48.980 of like Thomistic theology

02:04:51.180 and you kind of laid out

02:04:53.420 how divine simplicity

02:04:56.400 and the lack

02:04:58.920 of an energy essence

02:04:59.720 distinction in God

02:05:00.940 eventually leads to this,

02:05:04.280 you can't have

02:05:05.300 a personal relationship

02:05:06.220 with God

02:05:06.720 if you can never come

02:05:07.540 into contact

02:05:08.120 with his essence

02:05:08.880 and he only has essence,

02:05:10.100 he has no energies

02:05:10.820 for you to contact with.

02:05:13.040 Like I read that,

02:05:14.700 you know,

02:05:15.000 so I'm a third year

02:05:16.220 theology student

02:05:17.480 in an undergraduate degree

02:05:18.560 and I read that

02:05:19.420 and I was like,

02:05:20.220 wow,

02:05:21.040 it was at the very,

02:05:23.580 I comprehended it

02:05:25.180 and I understood it

02:05:26.520 and I realized

02:05:27.200 that I had,

02:05:27.920 you know,

02:05:28.280 no reputation for that,

02:05:30.980 right?

02:05:31.800 Yeah,

02:05:32.020 St. Gregory's

02:05:32.720 Palamas' argument 0.93

02:05:33.560 against Barlium

02:05:34.300 is where that comes from.

02:05:35.800 Right,

02:05:36.080 exactly.

02:05:36.980 And,

02:05:37.600 you know,

02:05:38.020 for me that was a huge,

02:05:39.680 you know,

02:05:40.380 about presupposition

02:05:41.220 destroying,

02:05:41.700 that was like

02:05:42.140 one of the kind of,

02:05:44.320 you know,

02:05:44.600 icebreaker things for me

02:05:45.700 that really started

02:05:46.620 to make me look

02:05:47.300 critically at

02:05:48.160 the Catholic system

02:05:49.520 of,

02:05:50.040 you know,

02:05:51.180 domestic theology

02:05:51.880 and philosophy

02:05:52.580 and the entire

02:05:53.700 intellectual construct

02:05:55.000 that's presented

02:05:55.640 because,

02:05:56.220 you know,

02:05:56.360 when I was a Catholic,

02:05:57.180 I mean,

02:05:57.380 I remember,

02:05:59.720 you know,

02:05:59.920 if every day

02:06:01.140 whatever the Pope

02:06:02.960 would say something,

02:06:03.900 you know,

02:06:04.080 manifestly heretical,

02:06:05.480 right?

02:06:06.220 You know,

02:06:06.520 you'd have to,

02:06:07.260 I'd have to go to like

02:06:08.100 the right-wing Catholic forum,

02:06:09.620 TRS,

02:06:10.040 and I'd have to explain,

02:06:10.980 okay,

02:06:11.260 no guys,

02:06:11.620 but you have to understand

02:06:12.480 this is the,

02:06:13.060 you know,

02:06:13.200 the gates of Hades

02:06:13.800 shall not prevail

02:06:14.460 against the,

02:06:15.040 you know,

02:06:16.000 the rock of Peter,

02:06:17.520 right?

02:06:18.880 Yeah,

02:06:19.200 endless mental gymnastics,

02:06:21.100 I did it for years,

02:06:22.000 yeah.

02:06:22.360 Exactly,

02:06:23.000 right,

02:06:23.320 exactly.

02:06:24.280 You know,

02:06:24.480 well,

02:06:24.900 you know,

02:06:25.140 or Vatican II

02:06:25.800 didn't change any theology,

02:06:27.400 it wasn't a real ecumenical council,

02:06:29.100 so we don't have to,

02:06:30.120 you don't have to worry about it,

02:06:31.300 and then you actually study

02:06:32.260 the council documents

02:06:33.080 and it's like,

02:06:33.580 that's not true.

02:06:36.000 The ecclesiology

02:06:36.800 completely changes.

02:06:38.480 Yeah.

02:06:39.580 Back in the day,

02:06:40.760 when I was going to

02:06:42.900 both SSPX

02:06:44.520 instead of Ecantus

02:06:45.440 masses,

02:06:46.640 I,

02:06:46.740 got to know

02:06:48.940 Jerry Matatix,

02:06:49.800 and I don't know

02:06:50.140 if you know Jerry Matatix,

02:06:51.060 but he used to be,

02:06:51.660 well,

02:06:53.440 he used to be like

02:06:53.940 a hardcore Calvinist

02:06:54.860 and he was a student

02:06:55.540 of Bonson

02:06:56.160 and then he converted to,

02:06:57.460 he was like an early,

02:06:58.460 like an 80s convert

02:06:59.780 out of Calvinism

02:07:00.820 into Catholicism

02:07:03.780 and ended up having

02:07:05.700 like 10 or 11 kids

02:07:07.400 and like he,

02:07:08.340 like he was a hardcore,

02:07:09.900 super,

02:07:10.520 super smart dude,

02:07:11.480 I mean,

02:07:11.580 like one of the smartest

02:07:12.240 dudes I've ever met

02:07:13.160 and so Jerry

02:07:15.040 was an apologist

02:07:16.080 and then he,

02:07:16.860 he would debate

02:07:19.000 all the Protestants 0.89

02:07:19.800 and he was very good

02:07:21.580 by the way

02:07:22.020 and he debated

02:07:23.960 his former master,

02:07:25.940 Greg Bonson,

02:07:26.680 one time

02:07:27.060 in a famous debate

02:07:27.860 and so I eventually

02:07:30.220 got to know Jerry

02:07:31.660 a little bit

02:07:32.220 and we had a debate

02:07:33.360 and it was when

02:07:34.300 I was really getting

02:07:34.980 into orthodoxy

02:07:36.300 and it was,

02:07:39.060 it was the same

02:07:39.720 kind of thing

02:07:40.240 like I really,

02:07:41.040 I presented all

02:07:41.860 of this kind of stuff

02:07:42.760 to him

02:07:43.200 and this was about

02:07:43.780 10 years ago

02:07:44.440 and I think that

02:07:47.460 it really bothered him.

02:07:50.540 I mean,

02:07:50.700 Jerry more or less

02:07:51.500 conceded the debate

02:07:52.560 but he wasn't going

02:07:54.380 to give up

02:07:54.980 the traditional Catholic

02:07:56.140 thing because that's,

02:07:58.140 that's kind of one of the,

02:07:59.700 yeah,

02:08:00.420 it's your identity

02:08:01.000 and one of the things

02:08:01.760 that you do

02:08:02.360 when you're a trad Catholic

02:08:03.800 is like you,

02:08:05.600 you're very leery

02:08:06.440 of being convinced

02:08:07.320 by reason

02:08:08.740 or like an argument

02:08:09.680 or a debate

02:08:10.280 because you feel like,

02:08:12.220 well,

02:08:13.460 the,

02:08:14.000 what I really need to do

02:08:14.960 is pray the rosary more.

02:08:17.700 And the reason

02:08:19.220 that I'm being put

02:08:20.160 in this situation

02:08:20.940 and maybe doubting

02:08:22.220 or thinking orthodoxy

02:08:23.440 or something might be true

02:08:24.380 is because I haven't

02:08:25.460 been praying the rosary.

02:08:27.240 And I had a set

02:08:28.660 of a contest,

02:08:29.380 a priest,

02:08:30.720 or maybe it was SSBX,

02:08:31.900 I don't remember,

02:08:32.380 one of the priests

02:08:33.100 was saying that to me

02:08:33.900 one time,

02:08:34.240 like I was bringing

02:08:34.740 a lot of these,

02:08:35.480 these issues to him

02:08:36.500 and I was saying,

02:08:36.980 what about this?

02:08:37.500 What about the filioque?

02:08:38.320 What about the essence

02:08:39.000 energy distinction?

02:08:39.940 This,

02:08:40.200 this,

02:08:40.240 this,

02:08:40.400 this,

02:08:40.500 this,

02:08:40.600 it was like,

02:08:42.420 my son,

02:08:43.020 my son,

02:08:43.940 pray the rosary.

02:08:45.880 You need to pray the rosary.

02:08:47.640 And I was like,

02:08:48.600 I was like,

02:08:49.720 okay,

02:08:50.080 oh,

02:08:50.220 actually I did pray

02:08:51.020 the rosary this morning,

02:08:51.820 but this,

02:08:52.860 this is not like

02:08:53.720 answering this question.

02:08:54.960 So I don't think

02:08:55.400 that I had,

02:08:56.780 I had like a,

02:08:57.880 like a pretty radical

02:08:58.840 Pauline conversion experience

02:09:00.420 to orthodoxy

02:09:01.440 and I had prayed

02:09:02.280 the rosary that morning.

02:09:03.800 Yeah.

02:09:05.060 Right.

02:09:06.540 And like it,

02:09:07.800 I exactly,

02:09:10.020 I know 100%

02:09:10.720 what you mean.

02:09:11.280 And that was the thing

02:09:11.980 for me is that,

02:09:14.600 you know,

02:09:14.840 you had these kind of

02:09:15.640 papist blinders on

02:09:17.000 where,

02:09:17.600 you know,

02:09:17.800 you're like,

02:09:18.460 this is the rock of Peter,

02:09:19.280 nothing,

02:09:19.560 you know,

02:09:19.720 nothing's going to go wrong

02:09:20.500 and you never demolish

02:09:21.360 those presuppositions.

02:09:22.120 And then when I ran

02:09:23.120 into your article

02:09:23.840 and it was like,

02:09:25.460 presuppositions refuted,

02:09:27.080 it was like,

02:09:27.880 oh my goodness,

02:09:28.960 you know,

02:09:29.400 and I,

02:09:30.040 I tried to talk to,

02:09:32.100 you know,

02:09:32.580 different orthodox

02:09:34.640 and Catholic priests

02:09:35.400 about it

02:09:35.940 and I couldn't get

02:09:37.400 a serious response.

02:09:39.400 Even like,

02:09:40.160 you know,

02:09:40.320 I've got a,

02:09:40.760 I've got a priest friend

02:09:41.500 of mine who was at

02:09:42.560 the congregation

02:09:43.080 of the doctrine

02:09:43.560 of the faith

02:09:43.960 with Ratzinger

02:09:44.520 and he's got a couple

02:09:45.220 of PhDs,

02:09:46.460 right?

02:09:47.140 And I could,

02:09:47.880 I didn't get

02:09:48.220 a satisfactory response.

02:09:49.520 Yeah,

02:09:50.440 I reached out to

02:09:51.340 like the,

02:09:51.940 the Vatican's dude

02:09:55.060 for dialogue

02:09:57.660 with the Eastern churches

02:09:58.960 and,

02:09:59.900 you know,

02:10:00.680 I didn't feel like

02:10:01.420 I got a satisfactory

02:10:02.240 response from him either

02:10:03.220 and I mean,

02:10:03.700 I,

02:10:04.120 for a while there

02:10:04.760 I tried to

02:10:05.700 utilize the,

02:10:07.720 the Vatican statement

02:10:08.660 on the filioque

02:10:09.800 that came out,

02:10:10.860 I don't know,

02:10:11.780 a while back,

02:10:12.880 maybe under John Paul II

02:10:14.120 or something,

02:10:14.720 I don't remember the date,

02:10:15.800 but they issued

02:10:17.160 some kind of statement

02:10:17.960 about the filioque

02:10:18.960 and then it,

02:10:19.520 but then eventually

02:10:20.160 you realize that,

02:10:21.000 you know what,

02:10:21.340 it's not just about filioque,

02:10:22.840 like there's this whole,

02:10:23.600 all this other stuff

02:10:24.300 about,

02:10:25.460 I started realizing

02:10:26.740 that it's really

02:10:27.440 the question of

02:10:28.120 divine simplicity

02:10:28.640 and the essence

02:10:29.780 energy distinction

02:10:30.600 because that is nowhere

02:10:33.920 taught in Roman Catholic

02:10:35.360 theology and I don't,

02:10:37.080 yeah,

02:10:37.340 I know that these guys

02:10:38.260 will try to pull out

02:10:39.260 Duns Scotus

02:10:40.820 and the Scotus view,

02:10:41.980 but actually,

02:10:42.780 it's not there either.

02:10:44.160 You don't,

02:10:44.580 I don't think you can,

02:10:46.460 I mean,

02:10:46.920 the Scotus might have

02:10:47.760 had disagreements

02:10:48.460 with Thomism,

02:10:49.320 but so what?

02:10:50.160 That's not the point.

02:10:50.980 The point is not just

02:10:51.780 disagreements with Thomism,

02:10:52.920 it's the fact that,

02:10:53.860 you know,

02:10:54.820 look,

02:10:55.440 Trent,

02:10:56.640 the Boston Catechism,

02:10:57.980 all these catechisms,

02:10:59.200 they're not teaching me

02:11:00.640 the basics of,

02:11:02.240 you know,

02:11:03.020 essence energy distinction

02:11:03.940 that all the Orthodox

02:11:04.800 fathers teach.

02:11:06.780 You see what I'm saying?

02:11:07.760 So it's like,

02:11:08.320 we can have all this

02:11:10.580 academic discussion

02:11:11.480 and maybe you can find

02:11:13.320 some Franciscan,

02:11:15.420 you know,

02:11:16.520 theologian that

02:11:17.380 nobody's ever heard of

02:11:19.400 from like 500 years ago

02:11:20.760 that like clued into this

02:11:22.240 and somehow got something

02:11:23.400 right about

02:11:24.120 the essence energy distinction,

02:11:25.900 but it doesn't matter

02:11:26.900 because,

02:11:27.540 you know,

02:11:28.520 in the dozens

02:11:29.900 of Catholic churches

02:11:31.000 and priests I went to

02:11:32.140 and met with

02:11:32.740 and liturgies I went to,

02:11:34.300 I never heard this.

02:11:35.500 So it's absolutely irrelevant.

02:11:37.640 Well, it's precisely,

02:11:38.580 I mean,

02:11:38.880 even more than,

02:11:39.700 when you pair that

02:11:40.520 with the Thomistic view

02:11:41.540 of the soul,

02:11:42.320 like there's no noose,

02:11:43.980 it's like,

02:11:45.560 you know,

02:11:46.240 you begin to realize

02:11:47.940 like,

02:11:48.240 holy moly.

02:11:49.720 It's not just one thing

02:11:51.260 like the filioque

02:11:52.320 or the essence energy distinction.

02:11:54.420 It's like this whole

02:11:55.580 different anthropology,

02:11:56.920 this whole different view

02:11:58.040 of eschatology

02:11:59.680 because,

02:12:00.360 you know,

02:12:00.600 in Thomism,

02:12:01.340 there's hardly any place

02:12:02.280 for the body

02:12:02.840 in the afterlife.

02:12:03.620 And then you read

02:12:05.600 like St. Gregory Palomas

02:12:06.920 and it's like

02:12:07.440 a totally different view

02:12:08.380 where it's like

02:12:08.820 the body has

02:12:09.640 like obviously

02:12:12.000 an important role.

02:12:13.200 I mean,

02:12:14.020 what's the point 0.92

02:12:14.600 of the freaking resurrection 0.90

02:12:15.980 if the afterlife 0.74

02:12:18.100 in Thomism

02:12:18.760 is just staring

02:12:19.560 into divine essence

02:12:20.480 for all eternity?

02:12:21.200 Right,

02:12:21.420 the beatific vision,

02:12:22.240 right?

02:12:22.540 Yeah, 1.00

02:12:22.760 it's just stupid. 1.00

02:12:23.500 It's like, 1.00

02:12:23.820 come on,

02:12:24.160 there's a whole,

02:12:24.860 why was Jesus resurrected

02:12:26.000 in a body?

02:12:26.680 Come on.

02:12:28.740 Yeah,

02:12:29.040 no,

02:12:29.280 exactly.

02:12:29.700 That was the other,

02:12:30.480 that was,

02:12:30.740 yeah,

02:12:32.520 it was interesting.

02:12:33.060 That was another

02:12:33.720 like pre-persupposition

02:12:35.020 that when I first

02:12:35.820 was catechizing myself

02:12:36.880 into the Catholic Church

02:12:37.880 that I,

02:12:39.060 there were two things

02:12:40.160 for me that when I was

02:12:41.100 catechizing myself

02:12:42.240 as a Catholic

02:12:42.760 sent up big red flags.

02:12:44.240 The first was their teaching

02:12:45.280 on the soul after death,

02:12:47.040 you know,

02:12:47.820 which for those

02:12:48.540 who aren't aware,

02:12:49.120 it's,

02:12:49.600 the traditional formula

02:12:50.440 is the four last things,

02:12:51.680 death, judgment,

02:12:52.420 heaven, hell,

02:12:53.680 right?

02:12:54.000 Like that's it,

02:12:55.320 you know?

02:12:56.640 And that like,

02:12:57.480 they don't even,

02:12:58.020 some of them will admit

02:12:59.240 that there's like a period

02:13:00.700 of trans migration,

02:13:01.800 maybe,

02:13:03.760 right?

02:13:04.820 But that's basically what,

02:13:06.400 it's like a legalistic formula.

02:13:08.500 And,

02:13:09.000 you know,

02:13:09.380 like my,

02:13:09.820 my father is a,

02:13:10.680 is a,

02:13:11.520 you know,

02:13:11.720 has a doctorate in anthropology

02:13:12.820 and has done a lot of work

02:13:14.140 with,

02:13:14.460 you know,

02:13:15.180 various different indigenous groups

02:13:16.780 all across the world.

02:13:17.540 And like,

02:13:18.320 this is a man,

02:13:19.160 like empirically,

02:13:19.920 it's incorrect

02:13:20.540 from an anthropological perspective.

02:13:22.300 This is not how

02:13:23.120 anybody perceives the soul

02:13:24.560 to progress after the death.

02:13:26.140 What do you,

02:13:27.660 can you flesh this out?

02:13:29.960 I'm not following you.

02:13:30.660 What do you mean?

02:13:31.320 What I mean is that like,

02:13:33.180 you know,

02:13:33.420 it's the idea,

02:13:34.020 you know,

02:13:34.220 in Catholic theology

02:13:35.860 that like you die, 0.92

02:13:37.240 you know,

02:13:37.400 your soul separates

02:13:38.040 from your body

02:13:38.640 and then you're immediately judged

02:13:40.140 and like,

02:13:40.520 it doesn't really stay on the earth.

02:13:42.220 You know,

02:13:42.500 the ghosts are just like

02:13:44.040 manifestations of people

02:13:45.120 who are in purgatory,

02:13:46.020 so they're going to be saved anyway.

02:13:47.820 You know,

02:13:48.040 there's no,

02:13:48.980 there's no intermediate stages,

02:13:52.000 you know,

02:13:52.880 like you pray for the dead

02:13:54.380 because they might be in purgatory,

02:13:56.120 right?

02:13:57.840 Oh,

02:13:58.200 okay.

02:13:59.040 You know,

02:13:59.500 right?

02:14:00.160 Like this,

02:14:00.800 this for me,

02:14:01.600 you contradict it anthropologically

02:14:03.260 with what,

02:14:03.980 you know,

02:14:04.800 could be manifestly observed

02:14:06.660 across like the entire history

02:14:08.180 of the world

02:14:08.680 about what people have

02:14:09.640 always observed

02:14:10.380 about what happens

02:14:11.060 with the soul

02:14:11.480 after it dies,

02:14:12.200 right?

02:14:12.800 And there's clearly

02:14:13.480 a period of transition

02:14:16.200 and things like that.

02:14:17.940 Ah,

02:14:18.120 yes,

02:14:18.480 okay.

02:14:18.940 Yes,

02:14:19.240 yes,

02:14:19.440 yes,

02:14:19.640 I see.

02:14:20.920 Yeah.

02:14:21.060 The other thing was like,

02:14:22.360 sort of like to the Tibetan

02:14:24.400 book of the dead and stuff.

02:14:26.060 Yeah,

02:14:26.180 sure.

02:14:26.400 As an example like that.

02:14:27.940 Right.

02:14:28.720 Right.

02:14:29.340 You know,

02:14:29.780 and the second thing for me

02:14:30.800 is like when I read that,

02:14:31.980 okay,

02:14:32.260 like,

02:14:32.640 so this,

02:14:33.100 so the Pope is the Supreme Pontiff.

02:14:35.320 So he has total jurisdiction

02:14:37.940 and faculties to celebrate

02:14:40.480 the sacraments

02:14:41.220 come from proper jurisdiction.

02:14:44.040 So if you don't have

02:14:45.700 proper jurisdiction,

02:14:46.880 you can't have real faculties

02:14:48.520 to celebrate the sacraments.

02:14:50.660 And that means that

02:14:51.400 if the Pope wanted to,

02:14:52.360 he could sign a piece of paper

02:14:53.560 and none of the Orthodox

02:14:55.000 would be able to celebrate mass

02:14:56.440 because he could just remove

02:14:59.860 all of their jurisdiction

02:15:00.680 automatically

02:15:01.300 and he doesn't do that

02:15:02.200 at a charity.

02:15:04.340 Well,

02:15:04.820 actually,

02:15:05.280 in canon law,

02:15:08.020 the,

02:15:08.400 if you espouse a heresy

02:15:10.940 or a schism,

02:15:11.860 you're supposed to

02:15:12.560 ipso facto

02:15:13.220 lose your jurisdiction.

02:15:14.400 So you don't have the,

02:15:15.900 you're not supposed to have

02:15:16.620 the operation of the keys.

02:15:18.680 Now,

02:15:19.280 in Roman,

02:15:19.980 as I understand,

02:15:20.860 I could be wrong about,

02:15:21.940 I'm not like a canon law specialist,

02:15:23.160 but I did focus on this

02:15:24.620 a lot in my twenties.

02:15:25.920 As I,

02:15:26.360 if I recall,

02:15:27.840 you can illicitly

02:15:29.300 do these masses

02:15:30.360 and offer the sacraments

02:15:32.180 outside the Roman Catholic 0.87

02:15:33.180 tradition.

02:15:34.400 I'm speaking in terms

02:15:35.500 of traditional canon law,

02:15:36.520 not the updated 1983

02:15:38.160 John Paul version,

02:15:39.300 which is weird.

02:15:39.920 But traditionally speaking,

02:15:42.660 illicit masses

02:15:44.420 are still valid,

02:15:45.440 but they're done illicitly.

02:15:46.780 So the Orthodox masses 0.97

02:15:47.900 are just kind of like

02:15:48.940 the same status

02:15:50.580 as like the SSPX masses.

02:15:54.140 So that was,

02:15:55.120 that was my understanding

02:15:56.000 that,

02:15:56.380 that you lose,

02:15:57.860 you do,

02:15:58.300 you lose jurisdiction,

02:15:59.580 jurisdiction

02:16:00.020 and the operation of the keys

02:16:01.020 simply ipso facto

02:16:02.780 by espousing

02:16:04.660 and teaching heresy

02:16:07.340 or going into schism.

02:16:09.000 So I don't,

02:16:10.860 I don't know.

02:16:11.440 I mean,

02:16:11.660 I'm not trying to get into

02:16:12.660 some weird canon law debate,

02:16:14.160 but really the whole,

02:16:16.260 the whole thing

02:16:16.740 is very bizarre.

02:16:17.900 And once,

02:16:19.640 once you try to live out

02:16:21.080 all this kind of stuff

02:16:22.080 and it's,

02:16:22.420 it's very difficult,

02:16:23.320 it's very confusing.

02:16:24.540 And I started noticing

02:16:26.500 weird things like

02:16:27.260 a lot of the SSPX priests

02:16:29.200 would have a

02:16:30.000 obsessive OCD.

02:16:33.280 I'm not joking.

02:16:34.140 I'm not joking.

02:16:34.820 And so I was wondering why.

02:16:36.480 And then I met a priest

02:16:37.980 one time

02:16:38.520 who was talking about

02:16:40.040 having to counsel

02:16:42.160 other SSPX priests

02:16:44.140 who have these problems

02:16:45.480 with OCD.

02:16:47.280 And then I realized

02:16:48.960 that one time

02:16:49.780 I remember

02:16:50.340 there was an SSPX guy

02:16:53.340 who was talking about

02:16:54.200 that he,

02:16:55.740 he was saying

02:16:56.920 the consecration

02:16:58.220 one time

02:16:58.740 in the mass

02:16:59.280 and he sneezed

02:17:00.400 and he felt like

02:17:01.180 it was a mortal sin

02:17:02.260 because he sneezed.

02:17:03.660 I'm not joking.

02:17:04.200 because he had not done

02:17:06.340 like the proper

02:17:07.180 I guess

02:17:09.140 blowing of his nose

02:17:10.180 before mass

02:17:10.940 or something.

02:17:12.460 So he felt like

02:17:13.660 he was,

02:17:14.160 he had committed

02:17:14.560 moral sin

02:17:15.200 and then he wondered

02:17:15.760 about the consecration

02:17:16.760 and I was just like 0.89

02:17:17.680 this is ludicrous. 0.92

02:17:18.840 Like this is insane. 0.98

02:17:20.980 Like who in the right mind

02:17:22.540 would ever,

02:17:23.600 like if this is the God

02:17:26.100 that we're talking about here,

02:17:27.300 it's just mind,

02:17:28.140 like it was just,

02:17:29.740 it was just insanity.

02:17:30.720 And I,

02:17:31.500 because it's so hyper-legalistic

02:17:33.340 and so utterly removed

02:17:36.500 from like,

02:17:37.960 I mean how in the world

02:17:38.880 would this religion

02:17:39.760 have ever spread

02:17:40.660 if,

02:17:42.180 you know. 1.00

02:17:42.940 You go to hell 0.99

02:17:43.600 for eating meat on Fridays. 0.99

02:17:45.580 Like you're, 0.98

02:17:46.240 you're going to hell 0.88

02:17:47.200 for sneezing accidentally 0.94

02:17:48.740 during a consecration.

02:17:49.720 I mean,

02:17:50.000 you can't even control that.

02:17:51.560 So point being

02:17:52.680 was that,

02:17:53.160 yeah,

02:17:53.320 it was like

02:17:53.820 when you read things

02:17:55.760 like Pius V's,

02:17:57.780 you know,

02:17:59.660 decree on,

02:18:00.340 on the mass

02:18:01.020 and all that kind of stuff

02:18:01.880 and that's one of,

02:18:02.660 you know,

02:18:02.820 one of their big arguments

02:18:03.640 is that it's a

02:18:04.800 perpetual apostolic decree,

02:18:07.680 you know,

02:18:07.840 that you can't change

02:18:08.760 the Latin mass

02:18:09.780 and so forth.

02:18:10.460 I mean,

02:18:10.780 it has all these

02:18:11.740 specifications

02:18:12.420 and so forth

02:18:13.320 and obviously Rome

02:18:14.460 changed it.

02:18:15.140 So,

02:18:15.940 you know,

02:18:16.240 either,

02:18:16.560 either these things

02:18:17.920 mean what they say

02:18:19.000 or they don't

02:18:19.660 and then,

02:18:20.080 well,

02:18:20.100 exactly.

02:18:20.620 Well,

02:18:20.720 and that was the thing

02:18:21.320 and I'm taking this,

02:18:22.340 I'm taking this

02:18:22.880 absolutely absurd course

02:18:23.980 at my university

02:18:24.600 on like Vatican II

02:18:25.760 ecclesiology.

02:18:26.800 It's literally called

02:18:27.920 ecclesiology

02:18:28.660 in an ecumenical age.

02:18:29.760 the female professor

02:18:30.940 who's teaching in

02:18:31.620 is an associate

02:18:32.260 of the World Council

02:18:32.920 of Churches,

02:18:34.120 right?

02:18:34.780 Exactly.

02:18:35.520 And then,

02:18:35.940 so,

02:18:36.480 Mortallium Animos,

02:18:37.800 I've always found

02:18:38.580 was the strongest point

02:18:40.580 because it's,

02:18:41.520 what,

02:18:41.820 1928,

02:18:42.640 Pius XI,

02:18:43.140 says that ecumenical

02:18:46.320 celebrations,

02:18:48.500 actions

02:18:48.880 are apostasy

02:18:50.260 and I could never,

02:18:53.720 ever get

02:18:54.100 any other Catholics

02:18:55.820 to explain anything

02:18:57.720 other than that.

02:18:58.480 Well,

02:18:58.620 that was just his

02:18:59.320 understanding at that time

02:19:00.380 and I'm like,

02:19:00.860 I'm sorry,

02:19:01.780 it can't be the ordinary

02:19:02.980 papal teaching

02:19:03.780 that...

02:19:04.900 Yeah,

02:19:05.520 if the ordinary

02:19:06.800 magisterium is infallible,

02:19:08.480 how's this work, boys?

02:19:09.260 Yeah,

02:19:10.980 so I never got

02:19:11.660 anything coherent

02:19:13.080 out of that

02:19:13.640 and then eventually

02:19:14.640 it just kind of dawned on me.

02:19:17.080 So like the first thing

02:19:17.760 I read was

02:19:18.440 Dr. Sherrard's

02:19:19.740 Greek East and Latin West

02:19:21.080 and that was like

02:19:22.000 a really big thing

02:19:23.300 that hit me

02:19:23.860 and then I was also

02:19:25.800 branching out

02:19:26.340 into actually reading

02:19:27.140 the Eastern Fathers

02:19:27.820 themselves

02:19:28.360 because prior to that,

02:19:29.620 you know,

02:19:29.780 I really just focused

02:19:30.920 on Augustine

02:19:31.620 and Ambrose

02:19:32.080 and Jerome

02:19:32.660 and then Aquinas

02:19:35.200 and, you know,

02:19:35.660 the medieval Latin guys

02:19:36.900 and I just didn't

02:19:38.100 ever really branch out

02:19:39.100 into the Eastern guys

02:19:41.220 because I thought,

02:19:41.900 well, you know,

02:19:42.220 they're important

02:19:42.680 and they matter

02:19:43.240 but they don't matter

02:19:43.860 like these dudes, right?

02:19:45.060 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

02:19:46.040 Well, it's funny,

02:19:46.700 after, so I had

02:19:47.700 this conversion experience,

02:19:48.840 right,

02:19:49.040 and then I began

02:19:49.820 to seriously like

02:19:50.780 look at everything

02:19:51.480 that was going on

02:19:52.240 to discern

02:19:52.680 what had just happened.

02:19:54.060 So are you familiar

02:19:54.560 with Michael Welton's

02:19:55.540 book Two Paths?

02:20:00.440 By Regina Press.

02:20:02.660 Uh, no, I'm not.

02:20:05.160 Well, basically

02:20:05.680 it's like a non-polemical

02:20:07.080 refutation of like 0.98

02:20:08.400 the Catholic claims

02:20:09.260 about Orthodoxy

02:20:10.160 and so he's compiled

02:20:11.540 like all of these,

02:20:12.540 these lists of quotes

02:20:13.860 from the Church Fathers

02:20:14.680 basically talking about,

02:20:15.940 you know,

02:20:16.120 interpretations of,

02:20:17.800 you know,

02:20:19.280 it's like Matthew 16,

02:20:20.240 18 or whatever,

02:20:21.140 or am I getting

02:20:21.980 the quote wrong,

02:20:22.640 you know,

02:20:22.840 and like the authority

02:20:24.920 of the Ecumenical Council

02:20:25.900 and whether bishops have,

02:20:27.260 you know,

02:20:27.500 can be infallible,

02:20:28.180 that sort of stuff

02:20:28.720 and I remember like

02:20:29.900 I read this book

02:20:30.780 and my jaw just like

02:20:32.940 dropped because I was,

02:20:34.940 like it was such a,

02:20:36.220 like the Church Fathers

02:20:37.080 were so bold-faced

02:20:38.160 again and again

02:20:39.300 and again and again

02:20:40.200 and again

02:20:40.740 directly contradicting,

02:20:42.680 you know,

02:20:43.480 the claims of the papacy.

02:20:44.500 Well, you know,

02:20:46.000 this was such a huge problem

02:20:48.040 for me for so long

02:20:49.040 throughout my 20s

02:20:50.080 and I think I read

02:20:51.780 like five or six

02:20:52.560 of Ratzinger's books

02:20:53.440 for example,

02:20:54.160 so one of the things

02:20:55.280 that really hit me

02:20:56.080 was I think it's

02:20:56.980 an introduction

02:20:57.460 to Christianity

02:20:58.160 or one of the,

02:20:59.260 one of the other

02:21:00.580 more philosophical

02:21:01.800 tomes that he wrote.

02:21:03.940 He makes the statement

02:21:05.120 in a footnote

02:21:05.840 that,

02:21:06.420 that the,

02:21:07.920 the ecumenical church

02:21:10.540 East and West

02:21:11.500 for the first thousand years

02:21:14.020 did not operate

02:21:15.040 on the principle

02:21:15.740 of papal supremacy

02:21:16.980 and that blew me away

02:21:18.620 that he says that

02:21:19.340 in that footnote.

02:21:20.340 I could go fish,

02:21:21.220 I could go fish it out

02:21:22.060 if you want

02:21:22.400 but you can find it

02:21:23.060 pretty easy

02:21:23.380 if you,

02:21:23.680 if you Google it

02:21:24.360 but he says

02:21:25.980 for the first millennium

02:21:27.100 the church didn't

02:21:27.660 operate this way.

02:21:28.660 It's like,

02:21:29.600 here's the Pope

02:21:30.880 telling me

02:21:31.560 that the church

02:21:32.820 did not operate

02:21:33.840 in a Vatican I mindset

02:21:35.360 for the first thousand years.

02:21:36.500 So,

02:21:37.300 I mean,

02:21:37.720 and there's so many

02:21:38.940 examples of stuff

02:21:39.680 like that

02:21:40.100 so eventually though

02:21:41.180 it just got to the point

02:21:41.900 where I was like,

02:21:43.460 you know,

02:21:43.920 like,

02:21:44.600 I mean,

02:21:45.740 I'm not saying

02:21:46.940 you can't get all involved

02:21:48.120 in like the really

02:21:48.980 intricacy

02:21:49.740 laden arguments

02:21:51.780 of Roman Catholicism

02:21:52.980 but after a while

02:21:54.300 it's just kind of like,

02:21:56.400 I mean,

02:21:57.080 I don't have,

02:21:57.680 I don't even have to worry

02:21:58.400 about that

02:21:58.820 because,

02:21:59.880 I mean,

02:22:00.160 just look at Francis, 1.00

02:22:01.500 he's a clown. 1.00

02:22:03.200 Yeah. 0.99

02:22:04.160 He's just, 1.00

02:22:05.000 he's a complete clown 1.00

02:22:06.280 and 1.00

02:22:07.500 take for example

02:22:10.900 the argument

02:22:11.520 that Roman Catholics

02:22:12.220 often make

02:22:12.800 that,

02:22:13.240 oh,

02:22:13.360 you know,

02:22:13.520 without the papacy

02:22:14.400 that you can't have

02:22:15.760 the church,

02:22:16.160 it all just falls apart.

02:22:17.700 Well,

02:22:17.880 the mere fact

02:22:18.420 that for a thousand years

02:22:19.480 Orthodoxy still exists

02:22:20.760 and hasn't had the Pope

02:22:21.760 suggests to me

02:22:23.420 that like that,

02:22:24.200 like that big Catholic 1.00

02:22:26.260 apologetic argument

02:22:27.640 is just simply not true.

02:22:28.880 Like how is Orthodoxy 0.95

02:22:29.820 still around

02:22:30.560 if we still require the Pope?

02:22:33.080 It just doesn't make sense.

02:22:34.100 And I think Father Matthew

02:22:35.900 is very correct

02:22:37.860 when he says that,

02:22:39.140 you know,

02:22:39.460 Orthodoxy really,

02:22:41.060 yeah,

02:22:41.320 we can talk about

02:22:42.020 Orthodox emperors

02:22:42.840 and we can talk about

02:22:43.560 patriarchs and all this stuff,

02:22:44.860 but really it's,

02:22:46.560 it's not as centralized

02:22:47.680 as even Orthodoxy

02:22:49.220 tends to think,

02:22:50.060 you know,

02:22:50.480 Orthodoxy even tends to,

02:22:52.320 especially in the West,

02:22:52.960 tends to think in this,

02:22:53.780 this papal mindset

02:22:54.860 that like,

02:22:56.140 you know,

02:22:56.360 to have an Orthodox church,

02:22:57.460 you know,

02:22:57.740 we got to have like

02:22:58.500 some gigantic patriarch somewhere.

02:23:01.040 No,

02:23:01.540 no,

02:23:02.120 really,

02:23:02.520 no.

02:23:02.720 That's the thing

02:23:04.480 and it's,

02:23:05.080 you know,

02:23:05.240 all you need is

02:23:06.140 a bishop with valid

02:23:07.220 apostolic succession

02:23:08.120 and the right belief.

02:23:11.760 Yeah,

02:23:12.380 and,

02:23:13.320 you know,

02:23:14.380 I started asking questions

02:23:15.300 to myself,

02:23:16.060 like even when I was Catholic,

02:23:17.360 like,

02:23:18.540 if papal supremacy is true,

02:23:20.980 why are Orthodox emperors 0.96

02:23:23.400 calling the councils?

02:23:24.320 That doesn't make any sense.

02:23:25.360 Hmm.

02:23:26.600 Hmm.

02:23:28.040 Hmm.

02:23:29.260 Right.

02:23:29.700 Why?

02:23:30.120 Why was it not the Pope

02:23:31.340 who was calling the councils?

02:23:32.300 That's a good question,

02:23:33.520 right?

02:23:34.260 Yeah.

02:23:34.420 And then why would,

02:23:35.540 like,

02:23:35.680 and then the Pope crowns,

02:23:36.760 like,

02:23:37.020 another Roman emperor

02:23:38.400 in the West.

02:23:39.340 Right.

02:23:39.580 And then he doesn't,

02:23:40.180 why doesn't he call the councils?

02:23:41.660 Well,

02:23:41.980 see,

02:23:42.520 see,

02:23:42.800 if you read the Acts

02:23:43.480 of the Seventh Council,

02:23:45.280 I think that was very important,

02:23:47.440 you know,

02:23:47.760 the Iconoclasm Council,

02:23:49.060 because they call the emperor

02:23:51.300 the God-ordained,

02:23:52.640 God-bearing emperor

02:23:53.460 or something to that effect.

02:23:55.100 Yeah.

02:23:55.280 Now,

02:23:55.620 if the emperor

02:23:57.040 at the council

02:23:58.180 of the 787

02:23:58.940 is,

02:24:00.420 and everybody believes,

02:24:01.960 the Seventh Council

02:24:02.680 against Iconoclasm,

02:24:03.760 right?

02:24:04.700 Right.

02:24:05.480 If he,

02:24:05.940 if that's,

02:24:06.620 like,

02:24:06.860 how could there be

02:24:07.440 this other one?

02:24:08.940 Yes,

02:24:09.440 yes.

02:24:09.820 Or how could you just

02:24:10.640 crown this other emperor,

02:24:12.020 right?

02:24:13.480 So I think that the,

02:24:15.340 I think there's something to,

02:24:16.560 you know,

02:24:16.700 the Romanides thesis

02:24:17.800 of the Frankist,

02:24:20.160 Frankish theology

02:24:21.660 and all this kind of stuff,

02:24:22.700 and there's something to that.

02:24:24.360 I don't buy everything

02:24:25.100 Romanides says.

02:24:26.200 I'm actually,

02:24:26.720 I'm not that big of a fan

02:24:27.520 of Romanides anymore,

02:24:28.360 but there is something

02:24:30.300 to that Carolinian deviation

02:24:33.700 in that period where,

02:24:35.160 because you have an explicit change

02:24:38.620 in the iconology,

02:24:41.580 actually.

02:24:42.420 Right.

02:24:42.900 This is,

02:24:43.340 you know,

02:24:43.540 and so there's something

02:24:44.660 going on here.

02:24:45.420 This is where the filioque

02:24:46.260 starts to creep in.

02:24:48.480 Something's going on,

02:24:49.480 so.

02:24:49.940 No,

02:24:50.340 I mean,

02:24:50.860 this is absolutely,

02:24:51.780 I mean,

02:24:52.000 we could probably talk

02:24:53.120 about this for like three

02:24:54.060 or four more hours

02:24:54.840 with an interruption.

02:24:55.800 I got the question,

02:24:57.040 though.

02:24:58.800 Now,

02:24:59.320 I'm going to talk

02:25:00.280 in Spanglerian terms a bit.

02:25:01.480 Where do you think

02:25:02.340 we can draw the line

02:25:03.360 between when the Faustin

02:25:07.040 and Christian,

02:25:07.520 so to speak,

02:25:08.040 become essentially papism 0.81

02:25:10.300 and when it becomes

02:25:11.480 just Western orthodoxy?

02:25:13.760 I mean,

02:25:14.040 where exactly should we

02:25:15.060 draw the line there?

02:25:16.160 I mean,

02:25:16.320 what should we keep

02:25:17.160 and what could we reject?

02:25:20.060 I'm sorry,

02:25:20.660 I didn't understand that.

02:25:21.500 Could you repeat it?

02:25:22.780 Where should we draw

02:25:23.460 the line between,

02:25:24.340 you know,

02:25:24.540 a Western

02:25:25.160 or Faustian

02:25:26.480 adaptation of Christianity,

02:25:30.080 sort of Western orthodox,

02:25:31.400 if you will,

02:25:31.780 and this,

02:25:33.460 you know,

02:25:35.760 heretical borderline,

02:25:36.740 heretic papism?

02:25:38.480 Oh,

02:25:38.940 you mean in history?

02:25:40.520 Yeah,

02:25:41.140 and in practice

02:25:42.760 as well these days.

02:25:44.720 Oh,

02:25:45.180 okay.

02:25:45.560 Hmm.

02:25:46.660 Yeah,

02:25:47.100 that's a very difficult question.

02:25:48.400 I tend to be a little forgiving

02:25:51.000 just because of my own track,

02:25:53.640 you know,

02:25:54.000 out of,

02:25:54.520 out of Roman Catholic stuff

02:25:56.720 and,

02:25:57.200 and towards the East

02:25:58.540 to,

02:26:00.160 you know,

02:26:00.440 I,

02:26:00.740 I just,

02:26:01.520 I don't want to be too judgmental

02:26:02.940 of people in the Middle Ages

02:26:04.120 who,

02:26:04.740 you know,

02:26:04.860 like,

02:26:05.180 people will say,

02:26:06.360 oh,

02:26:06.580 look,

02:26:07.020 you know,

02:26:08.100 venerable bead included

02:26:09.760 the filiocque.

02:26:10.480 you know,

02:26:12.200 I think that a lot

02:26:13.020 of those people

02:26:13.660 didn't know

02:26:15.340 what was going on

02:26:16.500 in other parts

02:26:17.060 of the empire

02:26:18.160 or the realm

02:26:18.700 or,

02:26:18.960 you know,

02:26:19.140 I'll give them

02:26:20.080 the benefit of the doubt

02:26:20.880 is what I'm trying to say.

02:26:21.720 So,

02:26:21.940 I don't know.

02:26:22.620 That's a good question.

02:26:23.340 I don't know when,

02:26:24.160 when is the,

02:26:27.080 you know,

02:26:28.580 the definitive point

02:26:29.420 which,

02:26:29.880 which we need

02:26:32.560 to,

02:26:32.940 like, 0.97

02:26:33.380 cut it off.

02:26:34.360 I don't know.

02:26:34.860 But,

02:26:35.080 yeah,

02:26:35.240 I mean,

02:26:36.560 I think,

02:26:41.360 I think

02:26:44.540 for contemporary

02:26:45.860 Western stuff,

02:26:48.480 you know,

02:26:48.820 you get into the issue

02:26:50.180 of the jurisdictional

02:26:51.100 problems in America

02:26:52.080 and I have no idea.

02:26:53.580 I have no clue

02:26:54.700 how to,

02:26:55.460 how any of that

02:26:56.000 can be solved.

02:26:57.200 Yeah,

02:26:57.740 because maybe it's,

02:26:58.780 maybe it's just

02:26:59.200 mental gymnastics.

02:27:00.860 I'm not even a Catholic

02:27:02.260 so I don't know why

02:27:03.060 I'm going full papers

02:27:04.300 into the Defense League

02:27:05.220 but couldn't you say

02:27:07.600 that the submission

02:27:08.940 to the Roman pontiff,

02:27:11.060 the Pope,

02:27:11.600 so to speak,

02:27:12.320 would be a sort of

02:27:13.880 Faustian hierarchy,

02:27:15.180 right?

02:27:15.340 It's reaching for the stars

02:27:16.860 but it's like reaching

02:27:17.800 from God.

02:27:19.200 So you kind of go

02:27:20.140 from below upwards

02:27:21.480 rather than from God

02:27:23.560 through the energies

02:27:24.440 to,

02:27:25.120 you know,

02:27:26.340 the creation,

02:27:27.020 so to speak,

02:27:27.700 as you have in the East.

02:27:30.380 Yes,

02:27:31.100 but it's also true

02:27:32.580 that,

02:27:32.960 like,

02:27:33.120 the history of

02:27:33.820 the relationship

02:27:35.200 between the various

02:27:36.200 sees and patriarchs

02:27:37.600 has been messy.

02:27:38.980 So we have a pretty

02:27:40.440 messy history

02:27:41.120 of the Church

02:27:41.580 and so you have

02:27:42.180 the Occasions schism

02:27:43.200 where you had problems,

02:27:45.360 you know,

02:27:45.600 even back in the

02:27:46.360 4th and 5th century

02:27:47.260 that are roughly

02:27:49.600 similar to

02:27:50.940 what you get

02:27:52.740 with the Roman split

02:27:55.160 and there were times

02:27:56.480 when many of the

02:27:57.140 patriarchs of

02:27:58.000 Constantinople

02:27:58.780 were heretics, 0.81

02:28:00.740 like awful

02:28:01.260 and Rome

02:28:02.460 was Orthodox.

02:28:03.980 So that's,

02:28:05.220 you know,

02:28:05.440 that's the reality

02:28:06.100 in the history

02:28:06.580 of the Church

02:28:07.120 and I think

02:28:10.500 that the thesis

02:28:12.260 that what happened

02:28:14.300 to Rome

02:28:15.240 is also political

02:28:17.860 is very important

02:28:19.040 is that you did have

02:28:21.540 Frankish power

02:28:23.260 that wanted to

02:28:24.440 have an empire

02:28:26.540 that wasn't subject

02:28:27.740 to Constantinople,

02:28:29.340 that wasn't subject

02:28:30.480 to what had already

02:28:31.320 been declared

02:28:31.960 as Orthodox

02:28:32.760 and authoritative.

02:28:35.140 So there's something

02:28:36.040 to that,

02:28:36.600 but I don't know,

02:28:37.760 man,

02:28:37.980 they're very tough

02:28:40.000 questions.

02:28:40.300 So yeah,

02:28:41.760 I mean,

02:28:42.040 basically what I'm

02:28:42.660 trying to hint at

02:28:43.400 is perhaps

02:28:44.480 the sort of

02:28:47.500 papist mentality

02:28:48.880 at least

02:28:49.540 could be

02:28:50.600 very valid

02:28:51.220 and Orthodox

02:28:51.780 with a few,

02:28:53.100 you know,

02:28:53.860 cutting off

02:28:54.460 certain things perhaps

02:28:55.420 within the realm

02:28:56.600 of the Western civilization

02:28:57.580 because that would

02:28:58.280 basically adapt

02:28:59.040 our mentality

02:28:59.840 to the Christian view.

02:29:03.480 Yeah,

02:29:04.060 so like if,

02:29:05.360 and I think

02:29:05.840 what's going to happen

02:29:06.500 is that Rome

02:29:07.600 because of Vatican II

02:29:08.820 and charging forward

02:29:10.600 into total madness

02:29:12.800 with Frank

02:29:14.800 is that

02:29:16.300 there's going to,

02:29:18.000 Frankenstein.

02:29:19.500 Just call me George.

02:29:20.800 Okay.

02:29:21.540 Yeah.

02:29:24.780 You're going to see

02:29:25.880 the continued dissolution

02:29:27.400 of it

02:29:27.820 and people are just

02:29:28.580 going to filter out 0.99

02:29:29.580 into things like Orthodoxy.

02:29:31.360 you know,

02:29:32.660 could you have,

02:29:34.720 I mean,

02:29:35.060 ideally we should just have

02:29:37.020 like Western Orthodox churches.

02:29:39.740 Well,

02:29:39.900 that's what I desperately

02:29:40.700 love to have,

02:29:41.540 but.

02:29:41.860 Yeah,

02:29:41.980 that's what we should,

02:29:42.880 we should have

02:29:43.680 and it's just a very weird

02:29:45.020 difficult situation

02:29:45.960 but I have hope

02:29:47.220 and I have an optimistic

02:29:49.000 view of the future

02:29:49.640 that I think that yes,

02:29:50.660 you could eventually have,

02:29:53.540 I mean,

02:29:53.880 hey,

02:29:54.200 there have been cases

02:29:55.240 of mass conversions

02:29:56.580 of Protestants,

02:29:57.680 right,

02:29:58.040 to Orthodox theology

02:30:00.240 and I wouldn't be surprised

02:30:01.640 if we don't see

02:30:02.320 that kind of stuff

02:30:02.980 in the future,

02:30:03.760 like mass conversions of.

02:30:05.340 I actually talked

02:30:06.420 to a union about this

02:30:07.480 and his personal opinion

02:30:08.380 is that what's going

02:30:09.140 to occur is,

02:30:10.800 you know,

02:30:11.120 George or whoever

02:30:11.860 comes after him

02:30:12.520 is just going to declare

02:30:13.280 something heretical

02:30:14.040 ex-cathedra

02:30:14.860 and everybody

02:30:15.720 who takes it seriously

02:30:16.620 is going to skizz him, 0.68

02:30:17.620 so.

02:30:18.940 Yes,

02:30:19.560 and I mean,

02:30:20.180 we've already seen that

02:30:20.920 with SSPX

02:30:21.780 and eventually,

02:30:23.260 you know,

02:30:23.400 the SSPX itself

02:30:24.540 now is splitting

02:30:25.620 into two camps,

02:30:26.700 so,

02:30:28.220 you know,

02:30:28.420 how long are you going

02:30:29.520 to be able to maintain

02:30:30.460 the mythology

02:30:31.880 that,

02:30:32.800 you know,

02:30:34.140 Rome's been,

02:30:34.940 quasi-heretical, 0.87

02:30:37.120 material heretical

02:30:37.960 for however many

02:30:39.540 decades now,

02:30:40.280 50,

02:30:40.480 is it going to be

02:30:40.820 like 300 years

02:30:41.640 without a pope?

02:30:42.260 I mean,

02:30:42.420 come on.

02:30:43.360 You know,

02:30:43.580 eventually,

02:30:44.060 eventually these people

02:30:45.420 are going to,

02:30:46.800 you know,

02:30:47.540 filter their way out

02:30:48.420 into what's still around

02:30:50.660 and I think that

02:30:51.520 what everybody's wanting

02:30:53.420 is what was always there.

02:30:56.280 Everybody,

02:30:56.800 we want the theology

02:30:58.240 and the church

02:30:59.560 of the first thousand years.

02:31:00.640 That's what everybody wants.

02:31:01.960 Who's serious about it?

02:31:03.040 Deep down.

02:31:03.280 No,

02:31:03.480 I agree with you 100%,

02:31:04.740 and I mean,

02:31:06.100 I have a really

02:31:07.120 kind of good view

02:31:07.820 of this myself

02:31:08.840 because I talk to

02:31:09.660 like a lot of young

02:31:10.660 men and women

02:31:11.180 who are like nationalists

02:31:12.600 who are moral

02:31:13.220 and it's like

02:31:14.120 they're dying

02:31:15.160 for orthodoxy.

02:31:17.120 Yeah.

02:31:17.940 Yeah.

02:31:18.580 And so,

02:31:18.980 anyway,

02:31:19.380 let's go into

02:31:20.600 Kali Yuga news

02:31:21.980 so that we don't go

02:31:23.000 into like a

02:31:23.940 four-hour podcast

02:31:25.100 or anything like that.

02:31:26.820 Oh,

02:31:27.380 the more sports.

02:31:28.380 So,

02:31:28.600 I've done record ones.

02:31:31.120 We did one

02:31:31.580 that was over six hours.

02:31:33.140 Wow.

02:31:34.640 God bless you,

02:31:35.400 fam.

02:31:36.560 Go ahead.

02:31:37.500 Okay,

02:31:37.980 so,

02:31:38.300 Jay,

02:31:38.600 the way basically

02:31:39.140 that we usually

02:31:39.680 do Kali Yuga news

02:31:40.700 is that everybody

02:31:41.500 kind of picks a story

02:31:42.680 and then they kind of

02:31:43.540 read the headline

02:31:44.160 and then they'll discuss

02:31:45.020 the story,

02:31:45.740 you know,

02:31:46.220 read a little bit

02:31:46.740 of the body

02:31:47.160 and then we'll discuss it.

02:31:48.860 So,

02:31:49.320 being the guest of honor,

02:31:50.600 I want to give you

02:31:51.100 the first pick.

02:31:51.780 Oh,

02:31:54.420 I'm sorry,

02:31:54.820 I didn't prepare for that.

02:31:55.840 I don't,

02:31:56.280 I don't have any,

02:31:57.040 I'm kind of just sitting here

02:31:58.080 and oh,

02:31:58.700 no,

02:31:58.940 you don't,

02:31:59.300 well,

02:31:59.460 it's in the show notes.

02:32:01.460 So here,

02:32:01.760 I don't,

02:32:01.940 I don't have those pulled up.

02:32:02.920 I'm actually on my phone

02:32:03.980 so that I can walk around.

02:32:05.320 Ah,

02:32:06.060 I see.

02:32:06.860 I like to pace and talk.

02:32:08.440 No,

02:32:08.700 no,

02:32:08.940 no,

02:32:09.180 perfectly fine.

02:32:09.980 Then one of us will.

02:32:11.240 Go ahead.

02:32:12.000 Sure.

02:32:13.040 Grieve,

02:32:13.340 Hans,

02:32:13.660 why would you go first?

02:32:18.760 Oh,

02:32:20.140 Grieve?

02:32:21.780 Well,

02:32:23.740 it looks like Grieve's

02:32:24.400 dropped the ball as well.

02:32:25.380 Oh,

02:32:25.900 never mind,

02:32:26.440 never mind.

02:32:26.920 Sorry,

02:32:27.220 my microphone was neutered.

02:32:29.040 I'll pick the,

02:32:30.060 the nun one.

02:32:31.820 Speak of speech,

02:32:32.860 right?

02:32:33.980 Let's just read the headline here.

02:32:36.080 Nun shocks, 0.57

02:32:36.840 nun shocks church

02:32:38.460 by suggesting

02:32:39.280 Jesus' mother

02:32:40.300 wasn't a virgin.

02:32:43.360 Now,

02:32:43.980 if you,

02:32:44.340 I just want to say

02:32:45.280 one thing here.

02:32:45.840 If you look at the nose

02:32:46.940 of this,

02:32:47.640 this nun,

02:32:48.700 it echoes a bit.

02:32:49.560 a Catholic nun

02:32:52.960 in Spain

02:32:53.380 has caused outrage

02:32:58.380 after she suggested

02:32:59.380 that Virgin Mary

02:33:00.060 may not have been

02:33:00.720 virgin after all.

02:33:01.720 The controversial

02:33:02.300 Dominican nun

02:33:03.140 invented the ire

02:33:04.820 of the Catholic Church

02:33:05.740 who responded

02:33:06.340 in her statement

02:33:07.260 in anger.

02:33:08.500 Sister Lucia

02:33:09.200 Caram

02:33:10.220 was speaking

02:33:11.540 on talk show

02:33:12.460 over the weekend

02:33:13.120 when she let slip

02:33:14.260 her belief

02:33:15.060 that contradicts

02:33:16.100 one of the key

02:33:16.900 pillars of her faith.

02:33:17.660 I think that Mary

02:33:18.800 was in love with Joseph

02:33:19.600 and they were

02:33:20.280 a normal couple

02:33:20.960 and the normal thing 0.74

02:33:22.120 is to have sex, 0.98

02:33:23.100 Caram told 1.00

02:33:24.000 Christo mei doen

02:33:26.160 during Sunday's

02:33:27.240 Chester in Love program.

02:33:29.700 According,

02:33:30.200 yeah,

02:33:30.620 so basically

02:33:31.240 she's sprouting heresy 1.00

02:33:32.780 and she's saying

02:33:33.420 that the Virgin Mary

02:33:34.420 was,

02:33:35.140 it was,

02:33:35.900 not a virgin.

02:33:37.560 Not a never virgin.

02:33:38.680 Right.

02:33:38.900 Exactly.

02:33:39.480 And the thing that,

02:33:41.440 what happens here,

02:33:42.380 if,

02:33:42.780 if,

02:33:43.100 if Jesus was

02:33:44.100 the son of Joseph

02:33:45.120 and Mary,

02:33:45.600 this means that

02:33:46.740 he,

02:33:47.220 he was,

02:33:47.840 he was just a man.

02:33:49.700 Exactly.

02:33:50.500 And then you,

02:33:52.660 go ahead,

02:33:52.940 sorry.

02:33:53.060 No,

02:33:53.560 seriously,

02:33:54.020 let me just finish here.

02:33:55.240 So this,

02:33:55.940 this one thing,

02:33:56.700 it's like

02:33:57.280 a diabolical arrow

02:33:59.540 that's sent

02:34:00.240 at

02:34:01.120 the,

02:34:02.340 the one point

02:34:03.340 which,

02:34:04.280 with our,

02:34:04.840 you know,

02:34:05.060 modern scientific thinking

02:34:06.620 would be the weak point

02:34:08.060 of Christian Theologa

02:34:09.560 that is

02:34:09.980 the virgin birth.

02:34:11.380 So what you do here

02:34:12.560 is that you literally

02:34:13.380 deconstruct the whole church

02:34:14.440 because you're saying

02:34:15.460 that Jesus was not

02:34:16.560 the son of God.

02:34:17.200 So you're saying

02:34:17.700 that the church

02:34:18.240 is not the body of Christ

02:34:19.540 and you're saying

02:34:20.280 that the church

02:34:20.820 is not a divine construction

02:34:22.660 and thus you're saying

02:34:23.860 that it's,

02:34:25.000 it's just an institution.

02:34:26.280 It's just a part of,

02:34:28.000 it's human construct.

02:34:29.120 That's what you're saying

02:34:29.800 implicitly.

02:34:31.080 It's a heresy.

02:34:32.340 This was the teaching

02:34:33.380 of Skillebeck's,

02:34:34.540 the,

02:34:34.780 the famous

02:34:35.400 Roman Catholic liberal

02:34:37.140 who essentially

02:34:38.040 ditched the whole thing.

02:34:40.480 and he started

02:34:42.600 with that same presupposition

02:34:44.020 and then ended up

02:34:44.940 with,

02:34:45.160 well,

02:34:45.300 yeah,

02:34:45.480 I guess Jesus is a man.

02:34:46.460 If he's just a man

02:34:47.100 then the whole thing's

02:34:47.800 not true.

02:34:48.540 So there was,

02:34:50.420 there have been

02:34:51.240 American bishops

02:34:52.440 and archbishops

02:34:53.560 who have taught that

02:34:55.180 openly

02:34:55.940 and never got,

02:34:57.620 yeah,

02:34:57.920 never got censored

02:34:58.740 from the Vatican,

02:35:00.400 never got in trouble.

02:35:01.400 So.

02:35:02.380 I mean,

02:35:02.620 what you should do

02:35:03.460 with these people

02:35:04.180 is that you,

02:35:04.880 you force these people

02:35:06.120 to have a Vatican passport 1.00

02:35:07.260 and if they say shit 0.99

02:35:08.500 like this, 0.99

02:35:08.960 you just,

02:35:09.280 you just kindly

02:35:10.200 beg the,

02:35:11.720 the country

02:35:12.880 to externalize them

02:35:13.860 to the Vatican state

02:35:14.900 and then the Pope

02:35:15.620 can punish them

02:35:16.280 as King of Vatican.

02:35:17.280 Problem solved.

02:35:19.440 Yeah,

02:35:19.880 and we'll have heredict.

02:35:20.600 Yeah,

02:35:20.780 well,

02:35:21.040 you know,

02:35:21.360 that would be,

02:35:21.760 it'd be real nice.

02:35:22.760 I mean,

02:35:23.260 but it's not gonna happen

02:35:25.200 with Mr.

02:35:25.920 Yeah,

02:35:26.160 it won't happen

02:35:28.400 but that's what should happen.

02:35:29.880 Right?

02:35:30.140 But,

02:35:30.400 I don't know,

02:35:31.000 could have,

02:35:31.420 should have,

02:35:31.640 would have.

02:35:33.260 This,

02:35:33.700 this is just the same.

02:35:34.540 And,

02:35:34.720 you know,

02:35:35.100 this comes from Spain,

02:35:36.580 the country that was perhaps

02:35:37.760 one of the most pious

02:35:38.880 in all of European history.

02:35:41.500 I mean,

02:35:41.880 this is the country of,

02:35:42.980 you know,

02:35:43.300 the Inquisition.

02:35:44.480 This is the country of Franco. 0.96

02:35:45.760 This is the,

02:35:46.260 the country of,

02:35:47.580 you know,

02:35:48.580 Loyala,

02:35:49.180 even though,

02:35:49.600 you know,

02:35:50.220 maybe he was.

02:35:50.700 Well,

02:35:51.120 Spain and,

02:35:52.940 and Portugal

02:35:53.700 have had their

02:35:54.720 Masonic Republican revolutions 0.80

02:35:56.340 and now they have 0.95

02:35:57.520 gay marriage and abortions. 0.83

02:35:58.880 So they're.

02:35:59.120 Yeah,

02:35:59.280 it's being warped.

02:36:00.320 I mean,

02:36:00.500 even Spender said

02:36:01.360 that the,

02:36:01.820 the,

02:36:02.180 the,

02:36:02.640 the Spanish people

02:36:03.620 are the,

02:36:04.380 one of the most pious

02:36:05.460 in,

02:36:06.020 in,

02:36:06.420 in Europe

02:36:07.640 because they have

02:36:08.280 almost like

02:36:08.920 a priestly mentality

02:36:10.480 in their national mentality

02:36:11.660 and this is what

02:36:12.240 it's being warped to.

02:36:13.180 I mean,

02:36:13.380 the,

02:36:13.540 the,

02:36:13.760 the Anglos become 1.00

02:36:14.600 kikes, 0.99

02:36:15.140 the Germans become, 0.71

02:36:16.260 well,

02:36:16.520 God knows what,

02:36:17.260 and the,

02:36:17.520 the Spaniards become 1.00

02:36:19.020 this shit. 1.00

02:36:20.420 It's disgusting. 1.00

02:36:22.920 It is. 0.52

02:36:23.780 I don't mean to make light of it,

02:36:25.100 but yeah,

02:36:25.300 I mean,

02:36:26.320 when I was a Roman Catholic

02:36:27.820 for a long time,

02:36:28.600 you know,

02:36:28.800 I would,

02:36:29.140 I followed those headlines 0.99

02:36:30.320 that like,

02:36:30.880 Nova Sorta watch

02:36:31.800 and whatever

02:36:34.300 the,

02:36:34.600 the traditional

02:36:36.240 Catholic daily

02:36:36.880 or whatever

02:36:37.360 all those sites were

02:36:38.200 and you would just see

02:36:39.020 this stuff like

02:36:41.280 nonstop

02:36:41.940 in the,

02:36:42.600 in the trad news

02:36:43.360 and then eventually

02:36:43.960 it's just like,

02:36:45.020 why are none of these

02:36:45.940 people in trouble?

02:36:46.900 Like they never,

02:36:47.860 like they'll,

02:36:48.600 they'll discipline

02:36:49.420 Lefebvre,

02:36:50.460 they'll discipline,

02:36:51.260 you know,

02:36:51.520 the,

02:36:51.740 the SS guys,

02:36:53.080 they won't touch

02:36:53.800 these people.

02:36:54.560 Well,

02:36:54.640 yeah,

02:36:54.840 Timothy Radcliffe

02:36:55.840 said that sodomy 0.89

02:36:57.080 was Eucharistic.

02:36:58.200 The,

02:36:58.640 you know,

02:36:59.660 superior general

02:37:00.300 of the order of preachers,

02:37:01.360 the Dominicans.

02:37:02.800 Well,

02:37:03.200 he said it was

02:37:04.020 Eucharistic?

02:37:05.040 Yes.

02:37:05.680 The former superior general

02:37:06.920 of the,

02:37:08.180 I mean, 1.00

02:37:08.540 what the fuck? 1.00

02:37:09.240 The Dominicans said 1.00

02:37:09.860 it was Eucharistic,

02:37:10.820 yeah.

02:37:11.720 This is literally

02:37:12.660 some traveling 1.00

02:37:13.320 and sex magic shit. 0.99

02:37:14.300 This is like 1.00

02:37:14.780 some weird gnostic sect.

02:37:16.920 And I mean,

02:37:17.680 it's,

02:37:18.100 it's so open

02:37:18.800 at this point.

02:37:20.160 I mean, 0.99

02:37:20.560 shit like this 0.99

02:37:21.300 makes me realize 0.99

02:37:21.900 it's not we who are

02:37:22.760 saying it's everyone else.

02:37:24.360 It is.

02:37:24.900 And,

02:37:25.100 and they,

02:37:25.840 you know,

02:37:26.600 this was a long-term plan.

02:37:29.000 You can read,

02:37:29.960 you know,

02:37:30.160 the,

02:37:30.320 the Alta Vendita,

02:37:31.360 that was their

02:37:32.140 large plan

02:37:33.280 was to

02:37:33.940 not destroy

02:37:35.080 the papacy,

02:37:35.800 but to turn

02:37:36.320 the papacy

02:37:36.960 into an,

02:37:38.100 an organ

02:37:39.000 of the revolution.

02:37:41.100 Yeah,

02:37:41.540 that's,

02:37:41.900 that's insane.

02:37:43.260 Right.

02:37:43.740 And I mean,

02:37:44.180 it wouldn't even surprise me

02:37:45.260 because you have this,

02:37:46.320 this,

02:37:46.580 you know,

02:37:46.840 lofty papal idea

02:37:49.240 and if you can just corrupt

02:37:50.120 that as well,

02:37:50.700 you'll corrupt

02:37:51.020 the whole of your church.

02:37:52.500 Exactly.

02:37:52.860 I'll take the next story.

02:37:56.440 I saw this one

02:37:57.540 this morning

02:37:58.080 and it,

02:37:58.640 I'll just read it.

02:38:02.760 From the Washington Times,

02:38:05.020 Planned Parenthood

02:38:06.060 kept

02:38:06.520 aborted babies alive 0.99

02:38:08.080 to harvest organs,

02:38:10.260 ex-technician says.

02:38:12.640 Kept them alive.

02:38:14.400 They kept them alive.

02:38:16.140 Yes. 1.00

02:38:16.400 What the fuck? 1.00

02:38:17.300 In a new undercover 1.00

02:38:20.720 video released Wednesday,

02:38:22.000 a former technician

02:38:22.840 for a tissue harvesting

02:38:24.320 company

02:38:24.800 details how

02:38:26.280 an aborted baby

02:38:27.140 was kept alive

02:38:28.060 that its heart

02:38:28.700 can be harvested

02:38:29.340 at a California

02:38:30.080 Planned Parenthood facility.

02:38:32.580 Raising more legal questions

02:38:34.100 about the group's practices.

02:38:36.660 This,

02:38:37.100 this,

02:38:37.400 this is like some, 0.98

02:38:38.320 some fucked up 0.99

02:38:39.100 moloch ritual 1.00

02:38:40.260 or some shit. 0.99

02:38:41.200 I mean, 1.00

02:38:41.640 Yeah.

02:38:43.080 You're harvesting

02:38:44.080 the heart of a living baby.

02:38:45.500 I mean,

02:38:45.640 what you,

02:38:46.080 what are you even doing

02:38:46.840 with the heart?

02:38:47.220 Are you doing

02:38:47.600 scientific experiments

02:38:48.500 with the heart?

02:38:49.380 Or are you like

02:38:50.060 giving it to another baby

02:38:51.040 at least?

02:38:52.020 I mean,

02:38:52.260 what are you doing

02:38:52.980 with it?

02:38:53.860 Does it say that?

02:38:55.580 Holly O'Donnell,

02:38:56.700 a former blood and tissue

02:38:57.640 procurement technician

02:38:58.660 for the biotech startup

02:39:00.080 STEM Express,

02:39:02.100 also said

02:39:03.140 she was asked

02:39:04.040 to harvest

02:39:04.580 an intact brain

02:39:05.740 from a late-term

02:39:07.240 male fetus

02:39:08.200 whose heart

02:39:08.700 was still beating

02:39:09.360 after the abortion. 1.00

02:39:10.400 What the fuck? 1.00

02:39:11.920 When you watch 1.00

02:39:12.500 X-Files

02:39:13.100 and you see

02:39:13.920 like the episodes

02:39:14.880 where Mulder and Scully

02:39:16.060 like break into

02:39:16.700 these facilities

02:39:17.380 and they've got

02:39:18.360 these giant vats

02:39:19.260 with like

02:39:20.120 babies in 0.94

02:39:21.520 test tubes

02:39:22.800 and they're being

02:39:23.280 experimented on,

02:39:24.180 that's real.

02:39:25.140 That's what I've been

02:39:25.740 saying for a long time.

02:39:27.400 I mean,

02:39:28.000 this is a late-term abortion. 0.99

02:39:29.440 It's like a third-trivence

02:39:30.880 of abortion.

02:39:31.760 I mean,

02:39:32.140 then the baby's

02:39:32.960 basically fully formed.

02:39:34.700 I mean,

02:39:34.880 it will survive.

02:39:35.820 No problem.

02:39:36.580 Yes.

02:39:37.160 If you saw the,

02:39:38.180 you know,

02:39:38.380 the Project Veritas videos,

02:39:39.720 I don't think

02:39:40.180 any of this

02:39:40.520 should be surprising.

02:39:41.540 No,

02:39:41.780 I saw them.

02:39:42.700 Yeah,

02:39:43.020 I mean,

02:39:43.280 one of these

02:39:44.040 Planned Parenthood 0.98

02:39:46.040 witches, 0.58

02:39:47.980 she literally said, 0.97

02:39:48.640 oh,

02:39:48.900 I want the Lamborghini.

02:39:50.020 That's why I do this

02:39:50.760 because I want the Lamborghini

02:39:52.000 and this Lamborghini,

02:39:53.040 this would really give me

02:39:53.720 happiness when I am dead.

02:39:57.800 Yeah,

02:39:58.280 I mean,

02:39:58.640 this is hell

02:39:59.740 if she doesn't repent.

02:40:01.180 You know,

02:40:01.380 I mean,

02:40:01.580 the thing is,

02:40:02.120 I mean,

02:40:06.280 these stories,

02:40:07.080 I mean,

02:40:07.380 it's like,

02:40:08.140 we talk about this

02:40:09.280 more or less every week.

02:40:11.040 I mean,

02:40:11.220 we have stories like this

02:40:12.400 and there is no end.

02:40:15.160 No,

02:40:15.700 well,

02:40:15.860 that's what I try to sell people

02:40:17.000 is like,

02:40:17.900 hell is in fact

02:40:19.440 a bottomless pit

02:40:20.440 and there is no

02:40:22.200 like,

02:40:23.200 end to the levels

02:40:24.440 of depravity

02:40:25.220 that human beings

02:40:26.480 are capable of sinking.

02:40:28.200 And,

02:40:28.520 you know,

02:40:28.860 we're living,

02:40:29.780 you know,

02:40:30.020 Sodom and Gomorrah

02:40:30.800 were destroyed

02:40:31.960 for much,

02:40:34.980 much less severe crimes

02:40:37.020 than are committed

02:40:38.420 on a daily basis

02:40:39.260 all across

02:40:40.100 the Western world.

02:40:42.000 I don't know,

02:40:42.360 that could be debated,

02:40:43.420 I suppose. 0.99

02:40:44.960 Fucking hell, 0.99

02:40:45.680 though. 0.99

02:40:46.920 Well,

02:40:47.360 I mean,

02:40:47.620 the thing is,

02:40:49.020 they keep pushing 1.00

02:40:50.340 for all this depraved shit. 1.00

02:40:51.560 I mean, 1.00

02:40:51.720 they're pushing

02:40:52.180 for pedosexuals now. 0.77

02:40:53.920 Let's become pedosexuals. 1.00

02:40:55.580 That's a thing,

02:40:56.200 by the way,

02:40:56.500 they literally push

02:40:57.500 for this now.

02:40:58.460 And the thing is,

02:40:59.140 if you react to God,

02:41:00.140 you react to morals,

02:41:01.060 we spring from God.

02:41:02.480 The morals themselves

02:41:03.260 is a result of,

02:41:04.440 you know,

02:41:04.640 having God.

02:41:05.740 So when you detach God

02:41:06.940 from the morals,

02:41:07.760 the morals are just

02:41:08.320 slowly rotting away

02:41:09.200 and then you can justify 1.00

02:41:10.040 this shit 1.00

02:41:10.460 because this, 1.00

02:41:11.140 you know,

02:41:12.340 norm-critical mentality

02:41:13.620 is the constant.

02:41:14.520 It's not a slippery slope

02:41:15.460 because this norm-critical mentality

02:41:16.940 is always there.

02:41:17.880 That's what I've been saying

02:41:18.740 now for like,

02:41:19.320 I don't know,

02:41:19.620 15 episodes.

02:41:21.180 And it's very important

02:41:22.440 to realize.

02:41:23.660 And that's,

02:41:24.140 you can't really have

02:41:25.480 a healthy society

02:41:26.220 without God.

02:41:26.760 You can't have a healthy society

02:41:27.740 without the church

02:41:28.340 and this is what you get

02:41:29.160 eventually.

02:41:29.580 Okay.

02:41:31.060 Yeah,

02:41:33.080 this has been going on

02:41:33.940 for a long time

02:41:34.740 because I was reading

02:41:35.580 Fire in the Minds of Men

02:41:37.280 recently

02:41:37.800 and like the

02:41:39.040 French Revolutionary

02:41:40.560 publications,

02:41:41.200 it was like,

02:41:42.820 I guess like

02:41:43.420 agitprop political stuff 0.73

02:41:45.200 mixed with pornography. 0.60

02:41:46.500 pornography and then

02:41:48.180 he,

02:41:50.120 the author also says

02:41:51.140 later on,

02:41:52.180 where is it?

02:41:54.460 It was like

02:41:55.120 Thomas Paine,

02:41:56.420 the American Revolutionary

02:41:57.820 and several other

02:42:00.400 French Revolutionary

02:42:01.380 luminaries

02:42:01.840 were like

02:42:02.320 extensive collectors

02:42:03.380 of pornography

02:42:04.280 and they,

02:42:06.760 a lot of the symbols

02:42:07.680 are adapted

02:42:08.520 from pagan

02:42:09.360 sex symbols.

02:42:10.360 so it's not,

02:42:14.380 I mean,

02:42:14.700 I guess it's,

02:42:15.240 it has a long heritage.

02:42:22.020 Yeah,

02:42:22.580 I had a couple,

02:42:24.000 I had a couple

02:42:25.500 really good

02:42:26.080 French Revolution

02:42:27.000 classes

02:42:27.540 and undergrad

02:42:28.500 and grad

02:42:28.920 that really

02:42:29.600 actually dove

02:42:30.180 into this stuff

02:42:30.800 that was like

02:42:32.280 the one

02:42:32.680 non-liberal

02:42:33.280 professor I had

02:42:34.040 was my

02:42:34.560 French Revolution

02:42:35.340 professor

02:42:35.840 and so

02:42:37.960 and now he wasn't

02:42:38.800 any kind of

02:42:39.180 conspiracy theorist

02:42:39.880 or anything like that

02:42:40.500 but ironically

02:42:41.540 it all came up

02:42:42.500 like it would

02:42:43.100 come up in

02:42:43.980 even the mainline

02:42:45.340 literature

02:42:45.800 about the French Revolution

02:42:46.720 that,

02:42:47.220 you know,

02:42:47.920 a lot of these people

02:42:48.460 were illuminous,

02:42:49.280 a lot of them

02:42:49.660 were coming out

02:42:51.040 of the lodges

02:42:51.740 and yeah,

02:42:52.680 it's conspiratorial

02:42:53.760 but it's not really

02:42:54.580 a conspiracy

02:42:55.100 so it's like,

02:42:55.940 what?

02:42:57.280 But yeah,

02:42:58.580 I mean,

02:42:58.820 this is the beginning

02:42:59.700 of the modern

02:43:00.380 revolutionary period

02:43:02.420 and you get,

02:43:03.620 you know,

02:43:04.000 out of that

02:43:04.560 the whole thing

02:43:05.700 is a war 0.51

02:43:06.700 on the throne

02:43:07.260 and altar

02:43:07.660 and that's why

02:43:08.680 the whole world

02:43:09.380 the whole world

02:43:10.060 now has these

02:43:10.920 democratic republics

02:43:12.240 so.

02:43:12.740 Yeah,

02:43:13.080 and they even

02:43:13.720 want to destroy

02:43:14.420 everything that

02:43:15.080 even resembles

02:43:16.120 you know,

02:43:16.800 a religion of God

02:43:17.620 I mean,

02:43:18.140 here in Sweden

02:43:18.880 for example

02:43:19.260 we have pride flags

02:43:20.380 on our altars

02:43:21.180 in the churches

02:43:21.900 at times

02:43:22.320 we have pride flags

02:43:23.680 I mean,

02:43:24.660 even the pride flag

02:43:26.080 I mean,

02:43:26.380 that's like

02:43:27.140 perverting

02:43:28.260 the problems

02:43:28.940 of the flood rights

02:43:29.820 So think of

02:43:31.220 Oh,

02:43:32.320 aha,

02:43:32.600 you're not going

02:43:32.900 to us now?

02:43:33.760 Yeah,

02:43:33.900 go ahead,

02:43:34.220 sorry.

02:43:34.920 No,

02:43:35.140 it's okay,

02:43:35.480 like so

02:43:36.020 people laugh

02:43:37.020 at reading

02:43:38.200 Chronicles

02:43:38.880 and 1st and 2nd Samuel

02:43:40.300 and Ezekiel

02:43:41.240 and Ezekiel

02:43:43.660 has this vision

02:43:45.760 where he looks

02:43:46.240 into the temple

02:43:46.860 and he sees

02:43:47.420 the priests

02:43:47.940 are doing

02:43:48.540 the service

02:43:49.960 of God

02:43:50.500 and then

02:43:50.960 they secretly

02:43:51.820 at night

02:43:52.660 go underground

02:43:53.420 and they have

02:43:54.000 like this

02:43:54.420 underground

02:43:56.240 cave

02:43:58.060 where they're

02:43:58.560 like worshipping

02:43:59.240 the sun

02:43:59.840 and doing

02:44:00.380 all this secret

02:44:01.120 stuff

02:44:01.580 so people

02:44:03.260 people laugh

02:44:03.960 at that

02:44:04.300 oh,

02:44:04.620 ha ha 1.00

02:44:04.880 you're so stupid 1.00

02:44:05.700 you believe 1.00

02:44:06.300 the Old Testament

02:44:07.160 you believe

02:44:08.120 Samuel

02:44:08.920 and Ezekiel

02:44:09.680 and lo and behold

02:44:11.700 like this is the world

02:44:13.600 that we now see

02:44:14.720 we now see

02:44:15.980 you know,

02:44:16.740 like Baal 0.91

02:44:17.320 and Moloch

02:44:18.180 and these

02:44:19.740 entities

02:44:20.800 and ultimately

02:44:22.460 a pride flag

02:44:23.880 on the altar

02:44:24.420 is just another

02:44:25.320 manifestation

02:44:25.940 of that same thing

02:44:26.520 so we live

02:44:27.040 in the same world

02:44:27.800 as Ezekiel

02:44:29.160 yeah,

02:44:29.560 I mean

02:44:29.860 just to get a bit

02:44:30.580 off topic

02:44:31.120 you want

02:44:31.520 back to the topic

02:44:32.520 perhaps

02:44:32.920 well that's 1.00

02:44:33.920 abortion shits 1.00

02:44:35.200 you know, 1.00

02:44:35.600 I mean

02:44:35.780 that's

02:44:36.340 sorry,

02:44:36.920 go on Hans

02:44:37.280 I mean

02:44:38.880 stem cell research

02:44:39.820 that's essentially

02:44:40.360 the same thing

02:44:40.940 as well

02:44:41.320 I mean

02:44:41.880 what you're doing

02:44:42.380 with stem cells

02:44:43.040 is that you're

02:44:43.740 like taking

02:44:44.440 the very thing

02:44:46.480 that will grow

02:44:47.140 into a normal

02:44:48.760 human being

02:44:49.260 and you're like

02:44:50.060 crushing that

02:44:51.060 and you're building

02:44:51.620 something else

02:44:52.280 with it

02:44:52.760 to help another

02:44:54.020 so-called human being

02:44:55.280 another

02:44:56.040 you know

02:44:57.420 I don't know 1.00

02:44:57.740 rich oligarchism shits 0.99

02:44:58.940 and that's 0.99

02:45:01.080 that's literally

02:45:01.980 demonic as well

02:45:02.720 well

02:45:03.020 it's the same

02:45:04.680 mentality

02:45:05.120 yeah

02:45:06.400 and that's like

02:45:07.320 with the transhumanism

02:45:08.320 thing

02:45:08.620 because what is stem cells

02:45:09.780 yeah

02:45:10.540 what is stem cells for

02:45:11.820 it's to prolong life

02:45:12.960 as much as possible

02:45:13.920 which you know

02:45:14.580 you need that

02:45:15.300 if you're a total nihilist 0.63

02:45:16.880 and

02:45:17.140 yeah

02:45:17.960 I mean

02:45:18.300 your source needs that

02:45:19.560 if he's going to be

02:45:20.300 in the machine

02:45:21.560 blowing stars up

02:45:22.660 right

02:45:22.860 yeah

02:45:27.060 I mean

02:45:27.420 that's the thing

02:45:28.360 I mean

02:45:28.620 you can't get to

02:45:29.300 emperor palpitee

02:45:30.580 type age

02:45:31.040 without those stem cells

02:45:31.980 you know

02:45:32.340 I mean

02:45:33.620 David Rockefeller

02:45:34.300 had five heart

02:45:35.000 transplants

02:45:35.500 I think it's

02:45:37.240 six or seven

02:45:37.840 now

02:45:38.120 oh

02:45:38.860 excuse me

02:45:39.880 yeah

02:45:40.080 it's insane

02:45:41.440 it's like

02:45:43.100 okay

02:45:43.500 Spice do you want to

02:45:44.860 pick your last article

02:45:45.900 and then we'll

02:45:46.360 close it out

02:45:46.940 yeah

02:45:47.640 I can do

02:45:48.700 kind of continuing

02:45:50.980 on the same theme

02:45:52.100 this is what it's like

02:45:53.340 to fall in love

02:45:54.360 with your sibling

02:45:55.340 defying laws

02:45:57.120 and social taboos

02:45:58.360 one couple

02:45:59.040 shares their

02:45:59.700 undeniable

02:46:00.980 connection

02:46:01.840 there is no end

02:46:04.120 yeah

02:46:08.280 until she was 40

02:46:09.820 Melissa

02:46:10.360 thought she was

02:46:11.600 an only child

02:46:12.620 for the first decade

02:46:13.680 of her life

02:46:14.340 she grew up

02:46:14.900 in a happy

02:46:15.400 suburban

02:46:15.880 upper middle

02:46:16.540 class area

02:46:17.140 of the Great Lakes

02:46:18.000 then her father

02:46:19.200 committed suicide

02:46:20.020 and soon after

02:46:21.040 her mother's

02:46:21.600 mental health

02:46:22.200 began to decline 1.00

02:46:23.420 fucking hell 0.99

02:46:28.180 trying to 0.99

02:46:29.060 just read

02:46:29.780 you have the

02:46:31.040 explanation right there

02:46:32.000 yeah

02:46:33.180 yeah

02:46:35.180 that says

02:46:35.600 in January

02:46:36.020 2015

02:46:36.840 a Facebook

02:46:37.540 friend request

02:46:38.240 came from Chris

02:46:39.220 a man she didn't

02:46:40.200 know

02:46:40.580 well clearly

02:46:41.360 this is her

02:46:42.000 brother

02:46:42.760 yeah

02:46:45.940 so

02:46:46.860 then

02:46:47.300 you can infer

02:46:48.300 from the rest

02:46:48.940 they have

02:46:49.540 this relationship

02:46:51.200 but I guess

02:46:54.300 you know

02:46:54.680 that's just

02:46:55.240 continuing

02:46:56.120 the destruction

02:46:56.800 of normal

02:46:57.560 relationships

02:46:59.860 normal family

02:47:01.080 you know

02:47:03.980 speaking of

02:47:04.720 you know

02:47:06.340 the destruction

02:47:07.020 of normal family

02:47:08.080 and you know

02:47:09.020 all this

02:47:09.640 I

02:47:10.080 just a quick

02:47:11.240 detour

02:47:11.620 Swedish

02:47:13.260 state television

02:47:13.960 has made a new

02:47:14.580 series now

02:47:15.060 by the way

02:47:15.460 and this

02:47:15.920 series

02:47:16.240 is all about

02:47:17.100 it's called

02:47:17.900 bonus family

02:47:18.800 or plus family

02:47:19.600 and this is

02:47:20.220 you know

02:47:20.540 you get children

02:47:21.920 you divorce

02:47:22.640 then you

02:47:23.080 you know

02:47:23.360 marry again

02:47:24.120 you get children

02:47:24.640 you divorce

02:47:25.080 and you know

02:47:25.860 this constant cycle

02:47:26.900 so it's like

02:47:28.260 it's like

02:47:30.560 just a mess

02:47:31.320 with all family ties

02:47:32.680 and they're making

02:47:33.140 you know

02:47:33.560 they're trying to

02:47:34.060 make it look cute

02:47:34.840 and you know

02:47:35.220 preferable

02:47:35.980 to pamper

02:47:36.600 to all these

02:47:36.980 single mothers

02:47:37.540 out there

02:47:38.040 and it's 1.00

02:47:39.240 it's fucking 0.98

02:47:39.680 insane 0.99

02:47:40.040 it's

02:47:40.320 it's

02:47:40.640 it's

02:47:40.980 it's

02:47:42.000 it's

02:47:42.180 it's

02:47:42.200 it's

02:47:42.220 it's

02:47:42.280 it's

02:47:42.300 it's

02:47:42.340 it's a sick

02:47:42.500 reflection of

02:47:43.100 what this

02:47:43.380 godforsaken 0.82

02:47:43.820 country has

02:47:44.320 become now

02:47:44.840 I mean

02:47:46.560 people laugh

02:47:47.180 at Sweden

02:47:47.600 I mean

02:47:49.340 yeah

02:47:49.720 like even

02:47:52.100 going back

02:47:52.800 several decades

02:47:53.600 in America

02:47:54.160 like

02:47:54.640 that

02:47:56.020 the sitcom

02:47:57.420 the Brady

02:47:57.880 Bunch

02:47:58.220 that was like

02:47:58.660 designed to

02:47:59.180 show like

02:47:59.900 mixed

02:48:00.980 like two

02:48:02.420 divorced

02:48:03.040 parents

02:48:03.960 two divorced

02:48:04.700 families

02:48:05.160 could like

02:48:05.560 come together

02:48:06.200 and be

02:48:06.780 could like

02:48:07.880 work

02:48:08.320 you know

02:48:08.840 it's like a way

02:48:09.400 of promoting

02:48:10.000 divorce

02:48:10.600 take the Brady

02:48:11.940 bunch on

02:48:12.800 crack cocaine

02:48:13.660 and you have

02:48:14.140 you know

02:48:14.620 the plus family

02:48:15.480 that the state

02:48:16.260 media

02:48:16.900 that the state

02:48:17.780 media

02:48:18.260 not even trying

02:48:19.340 to hide at this

02:48:20.060 point

02:48:20.400 is trying to

02:48:22.180 you know

02:48:22.400 show us a

02:48:23.060 good and cute

02:48:24.360 and preferable

02:48:25.100 thing and since

02:48:26.000 the state is our

02:48:26.800 god now

02:48:27.320 you know

02:48:27.580 this is like

02:48:28.360 a license

02:48:29.720 to be a

02:48:31.220 you know

02:48:31.760 total 1.00

02:48:32.180 total fucktard 1.00

02:48:33.060 like 1.00

02:48:34.420 that's all the

02:48:35.380 technical term

02:48:35.940 I can say 0.99

02:48:36.400 total fucktard 1.00

02:48:37.580 oh man 1.00

02:48:42.320 yeah

02:48:42.920 I mean

02:48:43.460 so like

02:48:44.180 you know

02:48:44.580 long story

02:48:45.100 short

02:48:45.480 America

02:48:46.680 is the 1.00

02:48:47.280 great Satan 0.54

02:48:47.840 we are

02:48:48.540 approaching

02:48:49.080 the eschaton

02:48:49.960 the bounds

02:48:51.900 of the

02:48:52.740 physical

02:48:53.040 and the

02:48:53.360 spiritual

02:48:53.600 world

02:48:54.040 are rapidly

02:48:54.740 disintegrating

02:48:55.460 and we

02:48:56.480 are once

02:48:57.160 again

02:48:57.420 living in

02:48:57.880 the age

02:48:58.340 of

02:48:58.800 iniquity

02:48:59.720 before

02:49:00.200 the flood

02:49:01.040 so expect

02:49:02.680 international

02:49:04.200 intergalactic

02:49:05.060 you know

02:49:05.560 nephilim

02:49:06.040 empire

02:49:06.760 AI

02:49:07.820 antichrist

02:49:08.580 and the 1.00

02:49:09.880 whole fucking 0.99

02:49:10.440 mood to 0.99

02:49:11.120 come with

02:49:11.480 it

02:49:12.060 well

02:49:12.300 Florian

02:49:12.680 this is

02:49:13.000 why we

02:49:13.320 need

02:49:13.460 Richard

02:49:13.760 Spencer's

02:49:14.400 white

02:49:14.620 imperium

02:49:15.320 the

02:49:17.800 only way

02:49:18.840 the only

02:49:19.280 way we can

02:49:19.760 stop the

02:49:20.200 international

02:49:20.820 judeo-nephilim

02:49:22.040 empire

02:49:22.640 is

02:49:23.700 by

02:49:24.180 returning

02:49:25.260 to white

02:49:25.980 bourgeois

02:49:26.420 1920s

02:49:27.140 America

02:49:27.520 I still

02:49:29.660 think

02:49:30.020 the

02:49:30.400 source

02:49:30.560 is

02:49:31.500 cool

02:49:31.740 all right

02:49:34.740 so

02:49:36.060 thank you

02:49:38.320 to our

02:49:38.540 listeners

02:49:38.820 for joining

02:49:39.640 us

02:49:40.000 I'm your

02:49:40.920 host

02:49:41.280 Florian

02:49:41.960 Geyer

02:49:42.500 it's always

02:49:44.120 a pleasure

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02:49:46.380 today are

02:49:47.000 my co-hosts

02:49:47.980 Griva Hans

02:49:48.800 Grieve

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02:49:50.500 yeah it's

02:49:51.100 good being

02:49:51.520 Spice

02:49:53.900 after far

02:49:54.940 too long

02:49:55.520 Spice you

02:49:55.980 need to

02:49:56.160 come back

02:49:56.440 on more

02:49:56.920 often my

02:49:57.300 friend

02:49:57.600 oh it's

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02:50:02.980 of jaysanalysis.com

02:50:04.560 Jay it was

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02:50:06.940 thank you my

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02:50:30.560 you if you're

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02:50:33.940 think that

02:50:34.520 one of the

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02:52:59.920 And today I got a special guest, it's Jay Dyer from Jay's Analysis.

02:53:04.640 And we're going to talk about his new article, Esoteric Hollywood, Toy Story.

02:53:12.080 Now, why don't you introduce yourself, Jay?

02:53:14.460 I mean, what are you doing?

02:53:15.980 What's your channel all about?

02:53:17.580 And, you know, what made you write this very intriguing article about the esoteric nature of Toy Story?

02:53:26.180 Well, I wanted to, you know, look at the role of predictive programming and revelation of the method in kids' movies.

02:53:37.420 You know, I was, I caught this on a TV, you know, going, flying out to L.A. 0.52

02:53:42.820 And, uh, I saw this stuff and I'm like, holy shit, there's, you know, there's a lot of symbolism in it.

02:53:52.360 So I wrote this piece about an esoteric analysis of, uh, Toy Story, based on my notes.

02:54:00.800 Yeah.

02:54:01.540 Yeah, I mean, there's several things in this article that I find really, really, really interesting.

02:54:05.680 I mean, one of them is the nature of Buzz Lightyear.

02:54:09.420 Like, you have this very Promethean, Luciferian, uh, character that basically seeks to rise Woody to his level, right?

02:54:17.100 He rises, uh, Woody, literally, into the air.

02:54:19.640 That is, from the earthly realm of human people into the, the aerial realm, the sanguine realm of the demon, demonic forces.

02:54:28.560 Right, there's multiple levels to Buzz Lightyear's character.

02:54:35.460 Uh, as you said, you know, he serves as kind of a Promethean, uh, you know, uh, archetype, uh, where he comes into Andy's room.

02:54:45.380 Uh, where he comes into Andy's room, you know, and kind of, uh, unseats Woody as the leader of the toys, right?

02:54:54.340 Um, and there's kind of a dialectic between Woody and, uh, Buzz Lightyear, because Woody represents, like, the old America, uh, uh, maybe a traditional, more traditional America as a cowboy, whereas, um, Buzz represents the, you know, the new technocratic future.

02:55:15.960 Oh, I see, and that's, that's a really interesting concept here.

02:55:20.200 I mean, I, I, I can really see this, this Woody character actually representing, you know, the common, traditional man.

02:55:26.560 And you have Buzz Lightyear, you know, this very Masonic character. 0.82

02:55:30.160 I mean, he, he is, like, clad in white as well, right?

02:55:33.140 This, this Masonic symbol of pureness being mocked by him actually trying to, uh, transcend the samsaric reality of the earthly realm. 0.69

02:55:44.520 And I find this really, really upsetting.

02:55:49.240 Well, let's, uh, look at his name, too.

02:55:51.620 Lightyear, Lucifer, Enlightenment.

02:55:56.060 Yeah, exactly, exactly.

02:55:57.120 It's not by accident.

02:55:58.700 No, no, I, I agree fully with you.

02:56:01.280 And we can also see the, the very demonic nature of the fact that we have non-human entities gaining sentience in this movie.

02:56:11.160 I mean, you have, like, the dog, you have the potato man, you have the, uh, uh, you know, all these different toys.

02:56:19.260 Not just the toys that are humanoid, like Buzz Lightyear and Woody.

02:56:23.500 Right, you know, it's never really explained, you know, why the toys are living, um, you know, I, I didn't really focus on that in the article, but that's certainly a possibility.

02:56:39.600 There's also kind of a commentary, I feel like, uh, on the space program, uh, because, you know, Buzz can't really fly his, uh, entire, you know, um, suit.

02:56:53.040 It's just for show, right, for kids to play with.

02:56:55.320 Yeah.

02:56:56.880 And, um, you know, so this is kind of like the Apollo program as a PSYOP, you know, to, uh, show, uh, give the appearance of a space program where, but then the real, the flight that we see is based on a lie.

02:57:15.860 You know, he, they fly because of the fireworks strapped to Buzz's back, not because he can actually fly.

02:57:23.900 But then, uh, you know, in that same scene, there's kind of the, uh, synthesis between Buzz and Woody, where they both fly and, uh, kind of come together as, as one.

02:57:36.860 Oh, this, this is very, does you have a point here?

02:57:39.380 Because what we have here is the combination of technology, the, the firework with this very, you know, demonically superior entity that's Buzz Lightyear, that might as well, you know, be a Nephilim.

02:57:50.900 I mean, he's very tall.

02:57:52.240 He's taller than Woody.

02:57:54.120 And he's very technologically advanced.

02:57:56.800 Again, Nephilim, the Nephilim were very, very technologically advanced.

02:58:00.800 I mean, the, the pre-diluvium, as it actually was, or the anti-diluvium, I should say.

02:58:05.240 And what we see here is really a very, very esoteric meaning of essentially the alchemical wedding, because you're fusing the man, the, the, the, the man part of you with the demonic Nephilim part of another entity.

02:58:23.960 And you combine it with a glue of technology.

02:58:26.920 And this is an absolute abhorrent perversion of how things should be.

02:58:32.360 It's a natural, it's sick, and it's, it's, it's, it's, it's not, no, no, no surprise that the masons push for Toy Story.

02:58:43.440 Right, and, you know, we can see how Woody, over the course of the film, finally acquiesces to Buzz's presence.

02:58:53.400 At first, he's very hostile to Buzz's, kind of unseating him as the leader of the toys.

02:58:59.840 But by the end of the film, they're both friends.

02:59:02.300 So you can kind of interpret this as Woody's sort of fall, because at the end of their flight, they both fall, right?

02:59:14.400 So we can kind of see this in the, similar to the book of Genesis.

02:59:19.960 Oh, I see.

02:59:20.900 Just like how in Greek mythology, you have, like, the character of Icarus.

02:59:24.400 He, he rose so high, but he flew so close to the sun that he fell into the sun, and he basically, yeah, committed suicide through hubris.

02:59:36.140 Right.

02:59:36.580 Right, and we can see this, this again, in this very, you know, demonic nature of the dinosaur, which we have in Toy Story.

02:59:50.160 And what I think this dinosaur represents is the, you know, reptilian aspect, which you, you know, you wrote about in your article here, that the reptilian are also what we know as the Nephilim,

03:00:02.080 which makes sense because the dinosaur, and that is the reptile, and Buzz Lightyear could actually communicate with each other why the dinosaur was actually not humanoid.

03:00:16.860 Right, I think, you know, some of the toys are more enchanted by Buzz than, than others, you know, like the dinosaur is very taken by, you know, Buzz's glamour.

03:00:32.080 So maybe there's kind of a commentary on the, you know, reptilians, and not in a literal sense, but in like a philosophical sense, people in our elite being taken by, or attracted to demonic entities, like Buzz Lightyear represents.

03:00:51.380 Yeah, yeah, I think we really, really have a point here that we need, I mean, we, kids are watching this.

03:00:59.860 I mean, the elite are programming our kids to become Luciferian demonic demon worshippers.

03:01:06.000 And I think we need to break the conditioning here.

03:01:08.260 We need to break the conditioning.

03:01:09.880 We are breaking the conditioning, but we need to break the condition even more.

03:01:14.300 Yeah, I agree.

03:01:20.580 You know, I think the way out is Orthodox theology. 0.65

03:01:26.760 I mean, yeah, exactly.

03:01:28.420 And I mean, what you, what you see with all these new age Masonic Satanist organizations that, you know, without any clue, watch these movies and just soak it all up with their, you know, their, their intellect.

03:01:44.300 And as we know, the brain is the manifestation of one of the, you know, spirits of God.

03:01:48.960 So we can really see that by soaking up Toy Story, by, you know, just, just viewing it, you are in fact letting this very Luciferian light shine upon your intellect through your brain.

03:02:03.300 And through your brain, the essence of your brain, which in its nature is metaphysical.

03:02:10.780 So what, what you have here is a deeper level of programming.

03:02:14.740 It's a metaphysical programming.

03:02:16.560 And it's, it's leading to hell.

03:02:18.300 Toy Story is leading children to hell.

03:02:20.220 Yeah, I, I agree.

03:02:25.860 One hundred percent.

03:02:26.560 So what should we do to solve this issue about, you know, this very demonic nature of Toy Story?

03:02:36.040 I probably just not, not show it to kids.

03:02:38.540 I think that's the easiest way.

03:02:41.700 I mean, you know, even Spielberg says, you know, Hollywood's dead.

03:02:45.140 So I think it's already kind of going on.

03:02:47.680 Yeah, yeah, but I mean, you have all these middle class, bourgeois, atheist parents that allow their children to watch, you know, this very, very dangerous movie. 0.98

03:02:59.180 And, I mean, what would you say to these parents?

03:03:06.300 I'd say they probably just don't know what they're looking at.

03:03:09.880 But, you know, not, not everybody's up on, you know, esoteric literature, you know, they're not, they're not aware of worldviews and paradigms.

03:03:21.940 You know, that's why I try and, you know, look at those presuppositions and deconstruct them on my website.

03:03:29.880 Yeah, you are, you are deconstructing this preposition, that's for sure.

03:03:34.300 And there's another book in Toy Story, which I think we should, should actually talk a bit about.

03:03:40.040 And it's the human character.

03:03:42.520 What does a human character represent in Toy Story, Jay?

03:03:51.580 Well, I'd, I'd kind of say that maybe the human character represents God in a way.

03:04:01.740 You know, because the human character introduces Buzz to the room, to Andy's room, kind of in the way that maybe God, you know, Lucifer was the archangel at one point.

03:04:22.440 So I'm not, I'm not quite sure what the subtext is there.

03:04:26.100 Also, what you're saying is, is that you could also see Buzz Lightyear's fall, as a fall from his human state of being perhaps an actual astronaut, to his fall into being a toy astronaut.

03:04:42.560 So you can, you can kind of say that all of Toy Story would then be the toy's desire to become man again.

03:04:49.320 But you're kind of stuck in this fallen state of actually being a sentient toy.

03:04:56.920 Yeah, there might be kind of a Gnostic, yeah, there might be kind of a Gnostic, you know, narrative there.

03:05:05.080 I don't, I don't support Gnosticism, obviously, but that could be it.

03:05:09.700 Yeah, so Toy Story is a Gnostic, Satanist, Mason, Masonic movie that's aimed at brainwashing our kids into World's Game of Satan. 0.56

03:05:21.640 Because, I mean, you see this as a thread throughout the movie.

03:05:24.500 The toys are very conscious of them being toys.

03:05:27.500 And the world around them is scary.

03:05:29.400 It's really, really terrifying.

03:05:31.400 You know, all these cars and all these, you know, human beings and all these different entities which they have not really experienced within the sensory confines of the room which the toys actually are inside.

03:05:46.440 And you can also see that when the human character comes into the room itself, the toys are very, very still.

03:05:55.840 They do not move.

03:05:56.880 They are afraid of the human character.

03:06:01.400 Right, there could be kind of a Gnostic thing where the toys in the room, like Gnostics believe, are damned to the state. 0.93

03:06:13.980 You know, they're trying to get back, get back at their creator or something.

03:06:19.000 I don't know.

03:06:20.640 But it just, you know, that's a lot of gobbledygook, you know, total baloney.

03:06:28.380 Yes, yes, yes.

03:06:29.400 And I really find this is really, really interesting because you have all these different kids movies and they are Satanists.

03:06:37.000 I mean, it's just Satanists.

03:06:37.860 I remember a kids movie we had here in Sweden back in the day and it was about the talking bear.

03:06:44.180 Now, what would you say if you met a talking bear in the forest?

03:06:50.900 Well, he would be possessed by a demon, of course.

03:06:53.120 I mean, bears can't talk.

03:06:54.120 We all know this.

03:06:54.980 So why are they showing this talking bear to children?

03:07:00.560 Why are they brainwashing our children into becoming Satanic, Gnostic bear worshippers? 1.00

03:07:06.680 It's about taking, you know, subverting traditional religions and bringing them into, you know, this like New World Order religion, introducing Far Eastern philosophy, this sort of thing. 0.92

03:07:24.700 So what they're essentially doing is that they are injecting the sublunar reality with the logoy of the bear, which they have essentially spiritually, genetically modified.

03:07:39.100 So that this log guy will eventually just grow into a horrible being, a demonic bear entity, which can talk and just lead people to ruin.

03:07:51.320 And we can see this also being represented in the talking goat, you know, Baphomet, you know, giving secrets to children, giving secrets to the sorcerers.

03:08:01.100 And Faust, you know, he summons Baphomet, well, Mephisto, and Mephisto gives him all these secrets.

03:08:08.740 And it's the same thing.

03:08:09.680 It's the same thing.

03:08:10.400 We have this very gnostic bear god mason mentality, which is just being spread to children. 0.96

03:08:17.240 It's very sad.

03:08:18.100 It's very sad.

03:08:19.160 And it's leading straight to hell.

03:08:20.720 It's leading straight to hell.

03:08:21.720 This just occurred to me, but another way you can read Toy Story is that, you know, the adults and the human characters in the film are unaware of what the toys are doing.

03:08:35.540 And, you know, they kind of, like, just see them, you know, the toys do their actions.

03:08:41.440 And then there's the humans are dumbfounded by when they find the toys in a strange place.

03:08:46.920 Because you could interpret that as people being unaware of spiritual warfare, you know, demonic, that sort of thing.

03:08:55.540 Yeah.

03:08:55.940 How do you think the directly malevolent demonic entities manifest itself in Toy Story?

03:09:03.600 I'm not talking about the semi-demonic entities of the dinosaur, you know, but slightly.

03:09:08.140 Because they're still at least poorly human beings.

03:09:10.880 But I'm not talking about the real 100% demonic aerial entities.

03:09:24.280 The dog and, you know, because that might be kind of a commentary or a wink about the Son of Sam killing.

03:09:34.380 If you've read Dave McGowan's book, Program to Kill, you'd know that serial murder is intimately tied into PSYOPs and predictive programming.

03:09:45.100 So that could be kind of a bit of a revelation of the method that, you know, the talking dog, allegedly, of the Son of Sam killings was just total baloney fabrication.

03:09:57.940 Yeah, and we also have the dog perhaps symbolizing Baphomet.

03:10:03.060 Well, not Baphomet, sorry, Belshazzar, the demon, the lord of the flies, which are said to manifest as a hound in the testament of King Solomon.

03:10:11.560 And we can see this really, really manifesting the deep masonic, demonic influence that the New World Order has put in place in Hollywood and are brainwashing our kids with by thinking that the kids have become god over their toys.

03:10:30.860 This is very disturbing.

03:10:36.100 Yeah, I agree.

03:10:39.320 That's a good way of, it's a good analysis.

03:10:41.560 Yeah, and there's one more thing I think we should just touch briefly on here, and that's the neighbor.

03:10:48.780 The satanic, really destructive, fiery neighbor, which in, I think, the second Toy Story movie, basically straps explosives to some toys and basically just blow them up.

03:11:03.160 Killing them, destroying them, tossing them into a sort of lake of fire.

03:11:08.040 Yeah, that's in the first film, which... 0.89

03:11:11.560 I mean, that's part of kind of the Joseph Campbell, you know, view on mythology, where in all these stories, the hero makes a trek through the underworld, which you could interpret Woody and Buzz Lightyear going to Sid's house as that journey.

03:11:29.800 Certainly, certainly, almost literally, because they're, at one point, they're under Sid's bed, if I remember correctly.

03:11:40.040 Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly.

03:11:42.040 Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly.

03:11:43.000 They are hiding from the great tyrant.

03:11:45.140 They are hiding from the entity, which they know will punish them, because they have drunk kids.

03:11:51.940 They are, you know, listening to Buzz Lightyear.

03:11:54.400 They are listening to Buzz Lightyear's, you know, pseudo-Masonic gospel about transcending the samsaric reality by becoming a part of the realm of the fixed stars, not through God's grace, but through the power of man, you know, technology.

03:12:09.960 And the astronauts, the astronauts, the rockets, penetrating the sub-Saturnian realm, and thereby achieving a sort of pseudo-Godhood, right?

03:12:22.820 Yeah, I mean, you could also interpret Andy as kind of the loving God, according to the Nestorian tradition of the New Testament, opposed to the, you know, angry Jehovah of the Old Testament.

03:12:45.380 I don't believe that, but, you know, that's another influence on the story.

03:12:50.360 Yeah, that's a really, really disturbing thing, because what they're implying here is that evil, or should I say, the root of evil is created, while, you know, evil is just a result of free choice.

03:13:04.080 And free choice is, you know, not evil in and of itself, because these people are choosing to be evil, and therefore evil exists because they are perverting themselves to this.

03:13:14.140 And we can see this really, really esoteric meaning of the nature of evil within the samsaric confines of sub-lunar existence in the actual car.

03:13:26.840 I mean, what is the car doing? It's a chariot of the soul. It's a chariot making Woody and Buzz Lightyear transcend the samsaric realm and becoming a very, very powerful entity.

03:13:40.360 I mean, they're traveling. They're traveling the stars. It's very, very scary.

03:13:44.720 And I think that the car here is representing the UFOs which the Nephilim are using to travel the solar system with. 1.00

03:13:56.180 Well, I mean, I don't believe in aliens, per se. You can listen to my talk. I did with the Collins brothers deconstructing that.

03:14:11.040 But certainly there's some symbolic meaning to that. Yeah, I would agree.

03:14:16.820 Yeah, I mean, there are certain scholars that believe that the antediluvian civilization was basically a civilization throughout the solar system.

03:14:28.080 And the reason why this really Nephilim civilization could not expand outside the solar system is that what you have in the planets orbiting the sun is the physical manifestation of the planetary heavens.

03:14:45.360 So the Nephilim, being fallen, can actually not transcend the sub-Saturnian realm.

03:14:55.080 And therefore the Nephilim were attempting to construct a sort of pre-Tower of Babel, which they failed doing. 0.86

03:15:05.400 And the result of this was the astroids. 1.00

03:15:13.260 Right.

03:15:15.360 So do you have any additional questions, Grieva Hans?

03:15:23.420 No, I think we've pretty much finished up our esoteric analysis of Toy Story.

03:15:31.200 I'd like to thank all listeners for listening, and we'll see you sometime soon.

03:15:37.360 Yeah, goodbye.

03:15:38.120 Goodbye.

03:15:38.240 Goodbye.

Mysterium Fasces Episode 15 — Jay Dyer

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