Jay Dyer joins us to discuss his new book, "Exoteric Hollywood" and how he became interested in Hollywood. We also discuss conspiracy theories about the JFK assassination, the JFK administration, the Kennedy administration, and the Kennedy assassination.
00:02:14.000And for joining us today, we have a very special guest, a man who I greatly admire and whose worldview is basically more cogent than anybody I've ever encountered, with the exception of Raphael Johnson. So we have Jay Dyer, jaysanalysis.com. Thanks, Jay, for joining us.
00:02:36.000Well, it's, it's really, I'm not exaggerating. It's an honor and a pleasure. I'm a very big fan of your work. And, you know, I would suggest that all of our listeners go out and purchase a subscription because it's really definitely worth the money. Joining me. Oh, sorry. Go ahead.
00:02:52.000Thank you. Yeah. There will be more philosophy this year. I know that we took the detour into tragedy and hope. But, you know, before that, we were doing Plato. So next there's going to be, I think I'm going to do Marcus Aurelius's meditations will be the next thing I cover.
00:03:08.180Fantastic. Yeah. The tragedy. I listen to every episode of the tragedy and hope. And I think it's, it's actually absolutely essential just to kind of get a big picture of you. Joining me as co-hosts, I've have Grieva Hans. Thank you, Grieva.
00:03:25.140And once again, after a little bit of a hiatus, I have Spies. Thank you, Spies.
00:03:30.200Good to be here. It's good to be on with you, Jay. Big fan.
00:03:33.580Excellent. So we got a couple of different topics that we want to talk about. I mean, Jay, your area of expertise is so broad and comprehensive that there's so many different things that we could make an entire episode just talking to you about.
00:03:52.600So I've kind of picked out a few different things, which I think will be useful to discuss. And the first one I think maybe we ought to go into is, you know, esoteric Hollywood.
00:04:02.720So you, you've just released your new book, esoteric Hollywood. So do you want to talk about, you know, kind of in a little pithy pitch as to what's going on with that?
00:04:14.380Yeah, sure. I, I like movies and I've always liked movies and I wanted to do comedy. And that's what I always, I always thought I would end up doing when I was younger because I was very active in theater and all that kind of stuff.
00:04:30.500And then as you get older and you learn more about the world, you realize that, oh, you know, you're like a white dude. You're not really welcome in that world.
00:04:39.000Unless you pretend to be like a total Democratic Party operative or something.
00:04:46.640So I kind of, I kind of lost the fervor and zeal that I had for, you know, doing something in terms of, of theater and the arts.
00:04:56.940So I just went the route of philosophy in college and, and theology. I was, I started at Bible college for a while and then I decided that the Baptist faith was retarded and stupid.
00:05:07.640So I got into, and got into for a long time, uh, Catholicism and Thomism and then all that kind of stuff.
00:05:17.080And then over the, over the years made my way gradually towards the Orthodox theology and traditional Orthodox thought.
00:05:25.440And, uh, but all throughout that period, even when I was getting into conspiracy related stuff, when I was like 18 or 19, I was still interested in films, still interested in movies.
00:05:38.960So I guess the irony is that even though most of my time and attention and focus was on philosophy and, you know, undergrad and grad school and reading all these guys and going to debates.
00:05:50.920And I mean, I literally would drive across the country and, you know, go, go hear guys debate theism and atheism and Darwinism and evolution and anything that, that was interesting.
00:06:01.900And, but I ended up, I never would have thought that the book that I would end up writing would be a book on movies.
00:06:08.260So the first book that I, and I hopefully eventually I'll have, you know, books on philosophy and metaphysics and things like that too.
00:06:15.580That's at least my plan, but it just so happened that the first book ended up being movie related.
00:06:21.700So yeah, I did, um, over the last six or seven years, I just, as a, as a side project, you know, I was like throwing up movie analyses for fun.
00:06:32.040And I'd read a lot of Michael Hoffman stuff over the years and, uh, you know, the author of secret societies and psychological warfare and Judaism discovered and many other, many other books.
00:06:43.520And so Hoffman had this analysis of, um, conspiracy theory with Mel Gibson a long time ago.
00:06:51.920It's been on the internet since the late nineties.
00:06:54.300And I always thought it was a neat approach to movies.
00:06:57.480And then when I was in my undergrad and I was taking, uh, some film classes, Hollywood history classes and stuff like that, I realized that actually there's a lot of conspiracy in film.
00:07:09.040So it just treats of that topic in general and it covers kind of your major directors like, um, Hitchcock and Spielberg and Kubrick and some David Lynch as well.
00:07:21.980And although it may, might seem totally unrelated to the types of subjects that we cover, actually, I don't think that it is.
00:07:31.520I mean, for example, I just did a talk on Sarah from Rose's book, Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future.
00:07:37.260And there's quite a few places in that book where HG Wells and Spielberg and all this kind of stuff comes up.
00:07:45.180So I don't think that they're all unrelated topics.
00:07:50.840So I tend to see things big picture and how everything interrelates and try to integrate things.
00:07:55.980So what this book is, is just maybe a collection of several years of my thought about and reflection on movies that maybe I'd grown up with.
00:08:05.820Everybody's grown up with if you grew up in the 80s, especially.
00:08:09.500So there's a lot of, you know, Spielberg 80s stuff.
00:08:12.100There's E.T. and like Labyrinth and Ridley Scott movies, Blade Runner, that kind of stuff.
00:08:19.360So if you like the art of filmmaking, I do think it's an art that I find fascinating.
00:08:32.500It deals with philosophical concepts, ancient philosophy, Platonism, and how all of that relates to modern, I guess you would say, preeminent directors, right?
00:08:45.180So, yeah, it's 363 pages, and it's over 50 or 60 sidebars, which makes it over 400 pages.
00:08:56.840And, yeah, so it's been out about a month, and I've had, I think, except for one gothic feminist who hated the book and obviously didn't read it because she said in her review on Amazon that I don't believe any book that tells you that we're all run by alien overlords.
00:09:18.280I spent about 30 pages arguing against the existence of aliens, so she obviously didn't read the book.
00:09:26.260Well, you know, that's a very valuable critique, I can tell.
00:09:30.600Yeah, but the other 20 or 30 reviews on Amazon and Goodreads are all five stars, so the reception has been great, and, you know, if you're a movie nerd like me, and you like philosophy, and you like conspiracy, and you like, you know, any of these other topics, cults, intelligence agencies, blah, blah, blah, this is the book for you.
00:10:01.760But I had first, I kind of come, you know, I came into this background where I'm, what I'm doing now, actually much like a similar way that you did.
00:10:10.460Like I was into conspiracy a lot in my youth through my father, and so I had heard you and Pharrell.
00:10:18.200Like, Honduras podcast, Caravan to Midnight, that kind of stuff, and I had, I actually, I came out of the same thing, you know, Catholicism, traditional Catholicism to orthodoxy.
00:10:28.180So I'm in a similar position, like, and I perfectly understand, and that's what really why we wanted to get you on is because you and Dr. Raphael Johnson, who we've had on several times on the show, have, you know, the most holistic, the most cogent, like, narratives and worldview.
00:10:44.280And one of my favorite quotes from Dr. Johnson is that if it doesn't make sense, it's not true.
00:10:52.680Yeah, and that's the thing is there are very few, especially, we're going to get into this a little bit later on, but especially in, like, the alt-right or the far right, there are very few people who actually seem to examine every single piece of the picture as far as worldview goes.
00:11:06.500And so many times there will be these kind of, like, glaring fields of omission that they will just refuse to interact with.
00:11:14.880It might have been you on red ice after the Texas shooting had happened, and you were critiquing kind of the alt-right's kind of blind acceptance of the mainstream media narrative of what had occurred.
00:11:27.060Right, which they tend to do quite often, and that's been my consistent critique of the alt-right, yes.
00:11:32.620Right, and that's something that we're sensitive to, and we've actually – several of the panelists here have been harshly critiqued on various, like, forums and things in the past because for that very reason, you know, we questioned the mainstream media narrative and said, you know, look, guys, just because it's useful to you doesn't mean it's true.
00:11:50.380Exactly. Yeah, in fact, I'm not at all pro-Islam, but I saw, I think, Breitbart or one of the right-wing alt-right sites – I forgot what it was.
00:12:03.460They were posting images of supposed riots by Muslims in Germany for, like, Oktoberfest or something.
00:12:21.400But I'm also not going to admit that Merkel isn't, you know, intentionally wanting to bring in a totally different culture of –
00:12:31.320Right, I mean, it's attempting to genocide the German people, right.
00:12:34.500Yeah, and I talk about this constantly, so I don't understand why people have such a hard time figuring this out.
00:12:41.000It's not – I mean, Kelly Greenhill, I've posted her paper many times that talks about weaponized migration, right?
00:12:50.900So the consistent left, I guess you might call it, maybe the Cybele Edmonds types or these kinds of people, you know,
00:12:59.700they'll talk all day about things like, you know, the Syrian people have a right to their nationality and heritage, and I would agree with that.
00:13:11.240And I agree that the war in Syria is wrong.
00:13:14.700And then they'll turn around, though, but they won't allow that for me.
00:13:18.600Like, I'm not allowed to have my passage.
00:13:23.640Right, this is the hypocrisy of that kind of an anti-war left that's left.
00:13:33.340You know, the anti-war left kind of went underground the whole time that Obama was there with left cover, right, bombing other countries and so forth.
00:13:41.300And then suddenly now that Trump's here, oh, the anti-war left reemerges from under the rocks, right, where have they been?
00:13:50.700But anyway, that's a totally different topic.
00:13:56.240Yeah, no, I mean, we could probably get into any tangents and just follow them all day, but I want to kind of go back to this.
00:14:05.040So on the subject of esoteric Hollywood, I mean, we've kind of talked about this before on the show.
00:14:12.280I mean, that Hollywood is enormously influential because they're the primary culture reformers along with academia.
00:14:31.600And so your core beliefs and the way you pray determine your life.
00:14:35.720And so, I mean, that's the thing is what Hollywood gives us is an integral worldview full of, you know, as you would say, the presuppositions that are left undeconstructed.
00:14:44.660And so when we kind of accept the narratives that are being given to us from Hollywood, I mean, they literally shape the entire view of the universe, our metaphysical system.
00:14:56.540And so I guess what I would just wanted to talk about is, you know, and this is going to be kind of a broad question, but like Hollywood as a control mechanism vis-a-vis culture formation and maybe like relating that, you know, back a little bit to MKUltra.
00:15:13.140How does Hollywood kind of brainwash America and the world and, you know, box it into a certain worldview?
00:15:20.380Well, what I started with in the book was talking about Hollywood and film viewed from a religious or ritual perspective, and that's what a lot of people don't do.
00:15:31.500They don't think about the world that way anymore because everybody's sort of living under the spell of this notion that since the Enlightenment, we have obtained objectivity and neutrality, right?
00:15:46.440And so prior to that, the world was in darkness and we had dark ages and superstition reigned.
00:15:52.400And then with John Locke and Diderot and Voltaire and these characters, suddenly light has come.
00:15:59.580And now we have objectivity, right, because of the scientific revolution and so-called science has allowed us to figure out that, you know, you can look at an earthworm and inspect its length and squish its guts out on your finger and smell the earthworm and taste the earthworm.
00:16:17.940And once you've figured out all of its properties, you can then expound and extrapolate from that that it's millions of years old and from what species it evolved and so forth and so on.
00:16:29.540But none of that's true, right, because there's no such thing as a completely objective, neutral approach to the phenomenon.
00:16:38.580Are you sure, Jay, there's no empirical brute facts, these platonic forms floating out there that we can hit people with?
00:16:45.420No, there's no brute facts, and that's something that, again, like the majority of people still live under this delusion.
00:16:54.460And one of the great things that I liked about Spangler was in Decline of the West where he talked about this, that we're still living under the spell, the skeletal remains of the Enlightenment period.
00:17:08.440And it's eventually going to die off because it doesn't make sense.
00:17:12.260It's inherently contradictory with itself.
00:17:16.140Now, I don't agree with everything Spangler says.
00:17:18.440I'm not a historical relativist or a cultural relativist.
00:17:25.020And so when I approach Hollywood and film and things like that, I look at all these things from a religious perspective because I know that ultimately that's how man functions and operates.
00:17:37.680Humans are constituted to be religious beings even in their irreligion.
00:17:45.000And I think Nietzsche made this point in Ekehoma or one of his books.
00:17:51.840It was a long time ago when I read it.
00:17:53.380But he talks about the pale-faced atheists who are basically evangelists for atheism.
00:18:01.000And he said that they're just as stupid as the Christian evangelists.
00:18:05.660And I think he's right to a certain degree there at that point.
00:18:08.560I mean he realized what the atheists don't realize is that you're just operating still on the presuppositions that there is objective truth.
00:18:19.060And Nietzsche's point is that there's not really objective truth, right?
00:18:22.520So in the same way, when we come to anything in life – and I generally think that people that call Darwinism or scientism or religion are totally on point.
00:18:46.560But the other Protestant guy, like a Calvinist dude – anyway, I can't remember.
00:18:54.860But he wrote a famous paper about Darwinism and scientism as a religion, Calvinist philosopher at some college.
00:19:02.540I forget what his name is, but very well-known.
00:19:04.000But anyway, that paper is really good, and it illustrates the point, and that's what I would agree with.
00:19:10.720And so anyway, I'm getting philosophy crazy here.
00:19:13.780But when we talk about Hollywood, it's no different because anybody that makes a film has a worldview.
00:19:18.880Or in the case of perhaps propaganda films with the military or the intelligence agencies or the Pentagon or whoever embedding their messages into movies, they have a worldview.
00:19:29.940Right now, it might be to convince people to join the war effort or to convince people over time to accept transgenderism or whatever.
00:19:39.720Those things are all very real, but they represent some perspective or worldview.
00:19:46.260And in my view, the problem with America and Americanism is that it is double-think from the get-go.
00:19:54.820So when you look at the founding fathers, you kind of have this collection of miscreants and masons and deists and weirdos, Baptists and Episcopalians and maybe a couple Catholics.
00:20:09.000And they're all trying to come together under this banner of a propositional nation.
00:20:15.500There's never been a nation created under a proposition before, right?
00:20:20.280Nations historically have always been based on ethnoi and their belief system and their language, right?
00:20:26.780Well, you know, it's interesting that you mentioned that.
00:20:29.280I'm in an Orthodox kind of traditional fellowship.
00:20:34.860And before I came on to the show, I asked them if they had any questions that they wanted to put to you.
00:20:39.660And one of them said, I'm going to read you a quote.
00:20:42.320He said, recently you had a Facebook post where you mentioned the concept of ethnoid.
00:20:47.460And you used a couple of biblical passages to back up what you were saying.
00:20:50.740And this fellow says that his question to you is, is it possible in America to actually develop a serious ethnoid where the identity is so integrally wrapped up in these Enlightenment concepts?
00:21:38.120I think that we start to realize that the globalists, the oligarchs, the elite, whoever, the those that are running our country are not God.
00:21:51.720And so if we really can have victories and we can change things, it really is possible.
00:21:59.200And I just kind of I'm actually chiding myself because I've had such a defeatist, cynical, negative attitude for a long time that I think was, you know, you just get beat down by stuff over time.
00:22:12.420I mean, you feel like, you know, contra mundum, it's you against the world.
00:22:15.740And then you realize that you actually can.
00:22:18.820I mean, I never would have thought that I'd have a book and be able to talk about, you know, critiquing Darwinism.
00:22:24.080I'm not saying my book's going to change the world or anything, but I mean, I just never would have thought that, you know, five years ago that you could write a book and include a chapter critiquing Darwinism on Hollywood.
00:22:33.800So that to me would have just seemed, you know, just like, oh, that's never going to happen.
00:22:39.540So, you know, a big part, a big part of the enemy's psyops is demoralizing people.
00:22:46.400And this is what I've really tried to come to grips with.
00:22:49.600And I actually, the more I think about it, I think that's what Orwell's book is about.
00:22:55.400I don't think George Orwell was, I mean, he could have been a good guy.
00:22:58.780There's all these stories about he, you know, went to hide in Scotland or something and that he always thought they were going to come kill him.
00:24:21.000So Diogenes wasn't as enslaved to this desire for power.
00:24:24.420So if you're going to use this, you know, Augustinian mindset that you have as many masters as you have, you know, uncontrolled the size, so to speak.
00:24:37.420Then Diogenes was, yeah, then Diogenes was more free than Alexander the Great.
00:24:41.780He was more powerful than Alexander the Great.
00:24:46.600Yeah, and it reminds me of Max Weber's book, Spirit of Protestantism and all that, where he talks about capitalism being something that derives from Puritanism and all that, which a lot of that's, I think, irrelevant and true.
00:25:04.100We're going to get into that when we discuss the Anglo question.
00:25:07.200Yeah, I don't agree with Max Weber's democratic socialism, obviously.
00:25:11.400But when he talks about the rationalization process, which is the main point of that book that monopoly capitalism develops into by its own inherent logic, he's absolutely right that – and this is – I think I wrote a paper when I was doing that book in undergrad.
00:25:29.020And my argument was that point was like, OK, so we've got this giant rationalization process.
00:25:33.440OK, so we're going to be run by Google and Microsoft and all this kind of stuff.
00:25:38.140But what is the purpose of the rationalization process?
00:25:40.960Because reason and rationalization presuppose telos.
00:25:44.900They presuppose some sort of purpose or goal to which the syllogism is moving you, right?
00:25:50.640The force of the logic is moving you to some point or conclusion in the argument.
00:25:55.380And so in the same way, if we look at giant corporations and systems and systems analysis and how Microsoft works and how the computer works and all this kind of stuff, it's all very rational, very logical, and it's supposed to be moving towards something.
00:26:10.460But there's no goal because they're totally nihilistic, right?
00:26:14.000Well, no, Jay, don't you see utilitarian morality as all that exists?
00:26:17.320It's all just competing for evolutionary advantage.
00:26:27.560And so there's like a – I think Dugan calls it a monotonic process where it's like a never-ending sequence of progress in a certain direction for no reason whatsoever.
00:26:39.560It's just assumed that progress, quote-unquote, is a self-evident maxim, and it's also just assumed that it's moving in the right direction, and it's also just assumed that it's either going somewhere or going nowhere.
00:26:55.120And then, like you said, what is the point?
00:26:57.360Yeah, well, Dr. Johnson makes this point, you know, that if anybody ever promises you anything but doesn't give you the end goal, you should not believe them.
00:27:06.720He's talking specifically about Marxism.
00:27:08.620It's like, yeah, we need the revolution.
00:27:11.860Right, and that's what I was – in fact, I woke up this morning thinking about that.
00:27:15.840I was thinking about how everybody lives under all these promises of things like – and I was just thinking about what – so we talked about globalism, and I was reading all these think tank papers yesterday.
00:27:26.680And they're always talking about, you know, the growth of global capitalism and globalism, the hope of globalism.
00:27:38.920Like, what is the end purpose of all this?
00:27:40.240I mean, this is kind of what Spengler talks about as well in The Decline of the West, you know, this super-Faustian mentality is progress for progress' sake.
00:27:55.440Exactly. So you end up building this huge machine, and then you're kind of stuck there.
00:28:02.180That may have been the point. I mean, it's kind of atheistic. I don't agree with it.
00:28:05.680But that movie – it makes me think of that movie Zero Theorem, that Ridley Scott movie that's really weird with Christoph Waltz where he's like running this giant machine, and he's waiting for the god code that gives it all meaning.
00:28:19.940And he just sits – he's like – he sits in this, like, giant facility – it's like an old cathedral that's a giant computer facility, and all he does every day is, like, punch these little buttons.
00:28:34.720And then he discovers that there is no, like, meaningful god code.
00:28:39.880It's all just irrational, like you just built this giant machine that's pointless.
00:28:44.860And so, I mean, it's very nihilistic, but it's illustrative for the point of making this argument to the atheist or the nihilist or whoever.
00:28:56.680It's just sort of like you built this giant machine, it has no meaning, so you might as well just blow it all up, right?
00:29:01.940And a lot of people – I think people like Lennon and these nihilists who are more consistent come to that conclusion.
00:29:09.000They're like, well, yeah, actually, okay, it's all meaningless.
00:29:53.440So what he's trying to do is – all this is just trying to pervert that which is already created.
00:30:00.460It's like dissolving it into a sort of prime matter, then build something new from it.
00:30:05.340Yeah, I think that's why they're so obsessed with, like, transhumanism and extending life.
00:30:11.020Because if, like, you take this nihilistic ideology to its logical conclusion, well, of course you're going to want to live forever because there's no – you know, you don't believe in heaven or any kind of afterlife.
00:30:24.320Yeah, Mark Hackard and I had a good interview a couple of years ago.
00:30:28.300We were talking about this, and we got to laughing because it was like – so you build a giant – like, let's say transhumanism happens in the fullest sense,
00:30:38.360and you build, like, some giant robo-chariot by which you're going to fly around the galaxy.
00:30:43.520Then it's just you as a robot flying around the galaxies, like, you know, like HAL 9000 or something, or like Dr. Manhattan in Watchmen.
00:31:00.520So, like, the last transhumanist globalist person, like, George Soros has, like, melded with the bots, and he's flying around alone in the universe.
00:31:23.140Yeah, that's the existentialist thing.
00:31:26.480There's – once you take that route, yeah, once you take that view, there's no moral – there's no benchmark of qualification by which to say that there's a preference for existence or nonexistence.
00:31:53.280And I mean, there's a – a really famous quote is a – or not famous quote, but something clever is that nihilism is easy to start but hard to finish.
00:32:26.580This proves that there's something more than what you can just intellectually explain.
00:32:29.960So, therefore, you might find a meaning in life in that which we can't explain.
00:32:33.600I mean, the meaning is separate to that which we incarnate the meaning with.
00:32:41.240Yeah, well, there's the old – the dictum of, I think, Hume that you can't get an ought from an is, right?
00:32:46.620So, once you adopt this perspective of, say, radical empiricism or something like that or nihilism or whatever, there's no – you can't get any objective is or ought like you ought to do this.
00:33:00.620And so it's just a manifestation or version of that same point that if we're all just in a meaningless, chaotic universe, then there's no preference for one or the other.
00:33:11.440So, I mean, literally, there's like – everybody should also be able to live or blow themselves up.
00:33:18.480Like there's literally no difference between the two whatsoever.
00:33:21.560I was actually talking to a friend of mine who's at Oxford and a very educated guy.
00:33:25.780I mean he sort of tends to agnosticism and scientific empiricism.
00:33:31.000And so we were having a – I was making an argument for God from logos, from the intelligibility of the universe, and he basically reduced it to the point where he was like, well, how do you even know that there are not universes that are unintelligible, right?
00:33:43.780And so I just said to him, well, okay, I'm going to make a purely utilitarian argument.
00:33:49.300If we can't prove anything through sense data, the utilitarian mode is to pretend that we can.
00:33:54.380It makes people happier, empirically speaking.
00:34:00.600Yeah, one thing I did want to say too about Kabbalah, to be fair to – I read a good bit of Kabbalists and Kabbalistic tradition, and I get the impression that –
00:34:13.600Yes, there were Jewish thinkers who wanted to – who were into the black arts and things like this, and they took a very occultic view.
00:34:24.120But I also don't agree with this idea that's very popular in a lot of these kinds of circles that like all of Kabbalism is this plan or this plot to destroy Christianity.
00:34:38.840I don't think that's sensible or coherent because there's a bunch of different Kabbalistic schools.
00:34:44.860So some of them are more like just Neoplatonists, and it's like guys who read a bunch of Plato and Plotinus and tried to mess that with their Judaism, right?
00:34:56.200So I just think that's a more fair approach because if you talk to – so if some Jewish guy hears this and if you're approaching this from like an apologetic perspective or something, they're going to be able to dismantle that argument because if they read say like Nachmanides or somebody like that, they're not going to buy the argument that every Kabbalist was out to destroy Christianity.
00:35:19.620Now, that's not me saying that Kabbalism is good. I just think that it was an attempt of Jewish thought to do a theodicy.
00:35:31.120Well, I mean I think that the issue is fundamentally – I mean it's a matter of – I mean these intellectual constructs are tools, right?
00:35:38.520And so I mean if you're trying to understand like metaphysics, I mean even if you want to comprehend it, you still have a decision with what to do based on that knowledge.
00:35:48.960So if you have deep metaphysical understanding, then yeah, you can use that to manipulate the goyim or you can use that to try to improve your own virtue.
00:36:03.060I guess bringing it back to the Hollywood question, I want to – would you care to like give a little spiel on the integration of the kind of – like Anglo-Jewish military industrial complex and intelligence apparatus and Hollywood?
00:36:22.080How is Hollywood used as an organ of the control system generally and what – most people are – I mean most people are just blissfully ignorant.
00:36:33.040They just kind of – even if they think Hollywood is Jewish, they think that it's mostly motivated by profit.
00:36:41.040Well, I tend to – I mean obviously there's a powerful Jewish element in Hollywood, and I think I talked to Henrik about this.
00:36:50.100If you watch that documentary, Jews in Hollywood or Hollywood and the Rise of Jews or something like that, Empire of Their Own, it's a famous documentary.
00:37:01.220It goes into great depth to chronicle the history of the rise of Jewish filmmakers and how they became prominent in Hollywood.
00:37:12.660And it's of course made by Jews, so it's not anti-Semitic or anything like that.
00:37:16.960But what's interesting is that I think that Jews like any minority group in America were seen as outsiders for a long time.
00:37:29.180So, you know, you had such a dominance of the WASP elite, and especially the East Coast WASP elite, that any group that was – that saw themselves as outsiders, be it black, be it Catholic, be it Jew, they were very –
00:37:46.180very concerned with how to rise up in power structure.
00:37:55.500And so what we've seen I think over the last 100 years is that very thing.
00:37:59.400And so a lot of the filmmakers who would kind of go on to become the heads of the major studios or the early on, like the MGM guys who were the big five studio heads that were Jewish, eventually they had totally dropped any of their Judaism.
00:38:17.540So they had married Gentile wives, and they had changed their names and hidden their identities and stuff like that.
00:38:23.720And then I think over time their descendants never cared about Judaism.
00:38:28.360Many of them, in fact, converted to Catholicism because they would send their kids to Catholic schools because that's what was like the most prominent private school in Hollywood or whatever.
00:38:38.520So I don't think that it's just as easy as saying that it's like a total Jewish conspiracy because of that fact, because the realities of people living that way and dropping their identity.
00:38:55.500And what I think is if you watch something like The Godfather, you see this presented for, say, the character of – well, actually, each of the generations of the Corleones is that it's partly about them losing their identity.
00:39:10.900So they leave Italy, and they think that they're going to come to America for material progress and monetary – and they do.
00:39:22.560They – he becomes very successful because he learns the system is here very corrupt.
00:39:28.080So he rises to the top of being the Don and all that, and then he – Don Corleone passes it on to Michael Corleone and so forth.
00:39:36.400And so by The Third Godfather, he's like an international NGO foundation head who's like making land deals for billions of dollars with the Vatican.
00:39:45.560So the point of that is that he has completely lost his identity, and part of the third – the end of the series, part three, is him wanting to go back to Italy to reconnect.
00:39:59.140So he's done all this, he's made all this money, and what has been the point when all along what he wanted was to go back – and if you remember, his wife that he met – his first wife was a young Italian girl from his people that a rival mobster blew up.
00:40:18.320So they were married for like a week, and some mob guy blew his wife up, and so he comes back, and he marries the American girl.
00:40:28.600And point being that everything that Michael wanted his whole life was in Italy.
00:40:47.000I mean actually it's brought up like a bit on the far-right circles is that the – you have all of these Jewish intellectuals who push cultural Marxism, but the Jews themselves are actually like imbibing this.
00:40:59.680And so in the past there was a very explicit understanding of for thee, not for me, this is for the Goyim, but more and more we're seeing in fact that the Jews themselves are – like rabbis are releasing all sorts of statements against miscegenation and now breeding with the Goyish dogs, right?
00:41:17.460Well, yeah, I mean it kind of makes sense again if you think about it because – I mean what is the mentality that is on the bottom of all this?
00:41:27.940It's this, you know, Luciferian literal Satanist mentality.
00:41:32.840So it's not really surprising when it happens to the Jews as well because, you know, this is what they want all along.
00:41:38.180I mean if anything, the Jews who only want to push this on the Goyim and not themselves, if anything, they're the ones who are a bit more healthy so to speak.
00:41:46.460Yeah, I don't think – I'm sorry, go ahead.
00:41:49.360I was just going to say I've had a conversation with a Jewish friend of mine and he's actually – it's kind of funny to listen to him talk about this because he'll bash on the Reform Jews who are more liberal and more open.
00:42:03.460And he'll tell me that, you know, oh, like Jewish birth rates are going down because of intermarriage and all this.
00:42:09.740And, you know, I just kind of have to sit back and smile a little bit like, oh, this is – this is, you know, your people doing this essentially, or, you know, your elites, I guess.
00:42:22.960Well, I tend to think that this strategy is older than, you know, the establishment of the state of Israel.
00:42:34.280In fact, if you look at the Mackinder Doctrine, it was Halford Mackinder's plan that said there would be the establishment of a state of Israel.
00:42:42.380So I think that the Rothschild-level persons, they have absolutely no concern for Jews.
00:42:52.720No, no, clearly not beyond any – I mean, they're pragmatic about it, right?
00:42:56.960They utilize the ethnic Kabbalistic infrastructure to, you know, for their own advantage, but they are perfectly willing to throw everybody else under the bus.
00:43:17.620I actually – I want to get into this discussion, the Anglo question and the Jewish question back-to-back, but I want to just finish up here on Esoteric Hollywood a little bit.
00:43:31.700I didn't really – so I never did get to the point you asked about propaganda and what – so what I think really the long-term picture of the propaganda is the creation of a global culture.
00:43:42.900And so Hollywood is a powerful means to export Americanism, really.
00:43:48.660And I view Americanism as kind of globalism beta.
00:43:51.400And then America as the melting pot, as the New World Order, as the foundation of the pyramid, the block of the capitalist pyramid is the means by which the world would be evangelized for globalism and the monoculture.
00:44:07.460And so I think that's what we're seeing now is the exportation of Americanism, and that would be consumerism and porn and Marilyn Manson and everything like that to the rest of the world.
00:44:19.260And, you know, vaccines and GMOs and all this gobbledygook garbage from the big foundations and whatnot.
00:44:28.980And by the way, a lot of that's in Israel too.
00:44:30.760So I think that it's very – it's difficult to say that it's like a total Jewish conspiracy because, you know, abortion is legal in Israel.
00:45:23.680So this is all this exchange, which is to a degree it's just a normal aspect of the cosmopolitan theory, right?
00:45:33.580Or the market, you know, merchant sea power, right, as opposed to the land power.
00:45:41.040So part of that is just the natural progress of monetarism and capitalism and so forth.
00:45:46.640But I think there's also a deeper sinister aspect of it to – I mean we see this with the big propaganda films like American Sniper or Zero Dark Thirty or even things like Transformers, which you may not think about it, but actually was made in consultation with the Pentagon.
00:46:13.000Well, who were the heroes of that movie?
00:46:16.000Well, the Transformers worked together with the U.S. military, the good side of the U.S. military.
00:46:21.020I mean there might be bad guys in the deep state like the John Turturro character or something like that.
00:46:25.160But, yeah, you can find articles – mainstream articles about the Pentagon working to help make Transformers.
00:46:34.580So this is very – yeah, this is very common.
00:46:37.480You know, you were saying the other day on one of these podcasts like the Pentagon had donated to Cupcake Wars.
00:46:42.420Yes, Tom Secker, who works with Cybele, got a FOIA request for what the Pentagon's budget was for Hollywood like two years ago, and they had donated – put in a good bit of money to Cupcake Wars.
00:47:12.940Yeah, Julia Child was, but Bourdain I think is very likely.
00:47:17.100And so what you come to see is that a lot of these people are – you know, they're promoted and they're making this money because they're agents of the state, which people may not know, right?
00:47:39.160It's – I mean, more I want to talk about predictive programming.
00:47:42.680So this is one of the things especially that a lot of the people on the far right are incredulous of is even if they recognize that Hollywood has like a clear culture-forming agenda, like they'll reject the idea that Hollywood will condition people to accept certain ideas before they occur.
00:48:08.940And so the people ask, you know, people will just actually dismiss this out of hand.
00:48:16.240Well, I just think that's kind of an unfair attitude.
00:48:19.800When you study the relationship of the Pentagon and the intelligence agencies to Hollywood, which I've done for a long time, it becomes a lot more plausible after you've studied that for a long time and a lot easier to believe that.
00:48:36.020If you've not studied that, which most people haven't, I totally understand that it would seem bizarre.
00:48:43.880And maybe 10 years ago when I first got familiar with the idea of the relationship between Hollywood and the CIA and stuff like that, even – I remember in my 20s when I first encountered this, although this is very strange.
00:49:13.980And you can find studies that talk about a lot of this stuff.
00:49:17.320So you can find studies that go very, very deep, very scientific into the process of how to condition people through film and through the movie theater experience.
00:49:31.340So let's take something like Disneyland or Epcot.
00:49:35.120Epcot is not just a money-making scheme.
00:49:38.260Epcot was the older form of conditioning people to the acceptance of planned communities, smart grids, smart cities, and Agenda 21-type ideas.
00:49:53.040Now, I'm not saying by that that I'm like a libertarian and I think that there's no such thing as city planning or anything like that.
00:51:27.340Now, I know that sounds crazy, but that's – if you think from the perspective of a nefarious Pentagon planner or from a corporate planner, it makes perfect sense.
00:51:39.740It's because you want to understand human psychology, motivations, managerial theories, the creation of the company man and this kind of stuff out of the 40s and 50s that the CIA and the advertising companies were studying.
00:51:56.420So Disney is just an example of the intersection of the deep state interests, corporate interests, monopoly capital interests, Hollywood interests, creative interests, right?
00:52:51.980And now that doesn't – now maybe Walt himself was not nefarious or something.
00:52:57.140I'm not trying to say that – I'm not trying to paint this in some simplistic, moralistic thing of, you know, like they're all Luciferians and they're all – it doesn't really work that way.
00:53:07.400It's people are planning based on the worldview that they have in their age, in their day.
00:53:14.740And so there was a lot of people in the 40s and 50s who bought into World War II propaganda and the Cold War, you know, and they – I mean I speak this way about Ian Fleming a lot.
00:53:25.180I don't think that he was all good or all bad because people ask me that all the time.
00:53:29.000We talk about, you know, was he a good guy or a bad guy.
00:53:30.780Well, I mean it depends on what you mean.
00:53:33.120Yeah, I listened to your interview with Richard Spencer.
00:53:38.540So anyway, predictive programming is most easily proven by things like Bond novels where you have a transition from the Cold War to the War on Terror decades ahead of time in Fleming's novels.
00:53:57.140With SMERS, Spectre, predictive programming is demonstrated again in things like the pilot of the Lone Gunman where you have the remote-controlled jets being flown in – hijacked remote-controlled planes being flown into the towers.
00:54:22.300You say, well, how can I – well, Dean Haglund did an interview with Alex Jones about 10 years ago where he said that the CIA was there on the set telling us what things they would like to have in the script.
00:54:37.060So I think that that's the most reasonable thesis for how you could have the events of 9-11 ahead of time in so many fictional accounts.
00:54:49.280There's an Iron Man cartoon from the 90s which has both the towers being destroyed and a plane flying into the Pentagon.
00:54:57.260Again, in like 1995, the old Iron Man cartoon.
00:55:00.720I've had this on my website for, I don't know, six years.
00:55:03.800I mean I don't think that's accidental, especially not when you look into even children's cartoons, right?
00:55:10.780So if the CIA is interested in cooking shows because they're interested in culture and culture creation and cooking and food is obviously a big part of culture, they're probably interested in cartoons.
00:55:24.300And then when you look into people who have consulted on cartoon shows like G.I. Joe and the Friedman character that I've talked about for, you know, on many podcasts.
00:55:35.820Actually, I found an interview with him that I dug up where he talks about – he talks about his consultations on cartoons.
00:55:47.460It's called He Killed Optimus Prime, an interview with Ron Friedman, the writer of Transformers.
00:55:54.560And he is a – he's an architect and a teacher from Chapman University.
00:56:02.800So when you go back and you watch these cartoons from the 80s like G.I. Joe and Transformers and whatnot, they'll have all these very strange things that we 20, 30 years later find out are real embedded in them.
00:56:14.640All right. Now, would I be remiss in asking if that name echoes?
00:56:38.680Anyway, there is one thing that I haven't asked before, and that's – I remember seeing an article, I think it was from CNN or something, a while back.
00:56:51.800It was still on the actual official CNN website or NBC, whatever American newspaper it was.
00:56:57.960And this was from September the 10th, 2001.
00:57:01.680And this was about literally saying that the Israelis could launch a false flag against, for example, the Twin Towers to drag America into a war.
00:57:17.720And I tried to see, you know, if this was on fake websites, and it wasn't.
00:57:24.560Now, I lost that link when my computer crashed a year or so ago, but it was really, really eerie.
00:57:31.960I mean, you see such a thing on, you know, such a big website, and it's, you know, the day before as well.
00:57:45.220This upsets my simple utilitarian worldview.
00:57:49.780Okay, clearly, I mean, we don't like Muslims, and if Muslims did 9-11, that's a good reason to not like Muslims.
00:57:55.600So please, Hans, okay, we don't need to talk about the truth, okay?
00:57:59.040Well, I mean, it just fits into the narrative of clash of civilizations, of pitting Western so-called Christianity against, you know, against Islam.
00:58:11.400Right, and that's something I want to talk about if we get in time.
00:58:15.360Yeah, how long have Bernard Lewis and Sam Huntington been talking about this?
00:58:19.560And hint, hint, that that suggests to me that there might be a bigger game at play here to wipe out those two views.
00:58:30.160And then, oh, by the way, I wanted to mention, too, that there are other – if you wanted to really take on the issue of predictive programming,
00:58:39.120that is just a term that has been used by conspiracy people for a while,
00:58:46.140but it's already been taken on by, like, academics many times over.
00:58:50.780So there's – you can get other academic publications like the CIA and Hollywood out of University of Texas Press by Tricia Jenkins,
00:58:59.320where she deals with it, and the CIA consulting on J.J. Abrams Productions and alias and things like that.
00:59:05.320There's a book called Operation Hollywood, How the Pentagon Shapes and Censors the Movies by David Robb.
00:59:11.180There's many other examples of this other than my book.
00:59:14.520Like, there's Ian Fleming's Secret War by Craig Cobble that goes into a lot of the Bond stuff.
00:59:20.880So, yeah, all of this has already been dealt with.
00:59:24.020It's just that the public doesn't live in, you know, academia world, so they don't know any of this stuff.
00:59:29.980Right. There was something – you know, I'm interested in the links between British intelligence and the rise of Salafism.
00:59:40.720But that's something, you know, it's kind of ancillary, maybe for another show, another day.
00:59:45.060Well, I can tell you two good books on that would be –
01:00:37.240No, he's a British professor of University of – I forgot what.
01:00:44.180By the way, I exchanged a couple emails with him, but it's just – he's just a professor of the history of espionage at some UK university.
01:00:58.280So what I wanted to discuss with you, and this is something I think is absolutely critical, is – so I listened to all of your Tragedy and Hope lectures.
01:01:09.820And I thought that they were – number one, I want to say thank you for actually reading through that very dry tome and kind of distilling the good bits for us.
01:01:25.620The second thing is that I think that book is really so critical to get an understanding of how the oligarchs use financial instruments in order to shape world history, how to create false dialectics, how geopolitics actually works, especially because he's giving you the CFR inside man view.
01:01:46.820But one of the things that I – it stands out is like on the far right we talk a lot about the Jews, right?
01:01:53.940And obviously this is something that's – a lot of this is reactionary because you're not allowed to talk about the Jews in the mainstream.
01:02:04.740And so – but what happens is it seems that a lot of people will kind of narrow in on the Jews as exclusively the synagogue of Satan, and then they will completely exclude the possibility that there's any Protestants or goyim that are at a similar level of control or similar interests or mechanisms of operation beyond just being kind of Shabbos goys.
01:02:30.440So I wanted to talk about the Anglo question and the Jewish question, right?
01:04:12.560Joking aside, yeah, of course, so are we.
01:04:14.480Well, I think that this is – a lot of this stuff is very – like, I've read a lot on Judaism and Jewish theology and so forth and Jewish views of race and racial theory, and I don't get the impression that there's, like, one unified Jewish view of what exactly constitutes their position because obviously they've accepted converts too.
01:04:38.280So – but at the same time, you have elements of Jewish belief that it's very racial, so they will sometimes themselves discriminate against Sephardic.
01:04:52.500So it's very confusing, and I don't know exactly what's going on there, and they have a left and a right and a conservative and all that and the Likud and all so forth.
01:05:03.440I mean, one of the reasons I don't touch on, like, the Palestinian Zionist issue is because, number one, I don't know much about this whole issue other than what I hear on internet arguments and debates.
01:05:15.500And a lot of the people that I see, for example, championing the Palestinian issue, they're big, like, UN promoters, and they're always tied to this left stuff.
01:05:38.220But now, so the Anglo question – yeah, this is an interesting question because there's a lot of different theories.
01:05:46.580Well, one other thing I wanted to say, too, is I saw a book saying – there was a book put out that they were arguing that – it was a couple years ago, like, some scholarly approach.
01:05:56.220And it was saying that all the Scots, like, the Scottish people are actually, like, the lost Jewish tribe, you know, like, one of the lost tribes.
01:06:16.540Identity is a code word for anti-whites.
01:06:20.320Anyway, so the question of the Anglo relationship is interesting because, you know, most people – what I think probably is relatively true is the intermarriage of – you know, Jewish people in England were able to rise up pretty prominently.
01:06:40.800And so they did, you know, intermarry into the upper class eventually and the moneyed class and so forth.
01:06:50.080So, you know, there's been this long presence of Jewish power in England.
01:06:57.540So it's very hard to parcel that out and distinguish it, and I don't know that anybody has, like, some real – I think a lot of times we think we know everything that's going on or we – but a lot of the stuff we don't really know.
01:07:10.700So, like, you know, the questions of origins, like, we don't know who the fuck – the original – what happened to the tribe of Dan.
01:07:18.040Now, maybe somebody will figure it out.
01:07:19.840I'm not saying that it's not possible, but a lot of this stuff is theory is what I'm trying to say.
01:07:23.820So I forgot where we were going with this.
01:08:02.760But I just tend to think that at that level, the Rothschilds don't care about nation states, and they don't care about who's – what your identity is.
01:08:12.920Because just like David Rockefeller or J.P. Morgan and these people, they're not ideologically bound because to be in that role, you can't be.
01:08:23.980You have to be completely pragmatic, I would argue.
01:08:26.800So I tend to think that they just all agree on their atheism slash pragmatism slash Luciferianism.
01:08:34.900And so they're all kind of on the same page.
01:08:37.300Well, I mean, our Lord says this quite – I mean, our Lord says this quite directly to the Pharisees that you are the sons of Satan because you do his work.
01:09:30.240Did you want to add something here, Spice?
01:09:31.480Yeah, I was just going to say it's like we were talking about on an earlier episode kind of related where some people in conspiracy circles will allege that, oh, America's run secretly by a bunch of Nazis because people on Wall Street like Bill Donovan and people in the British establishment helped fund the Nazis.
01:09:53.340Then, therefore, we're ruled by, like, a secret Nazi government.
01:09:57.940Well, no, that doesn't necessarily follow.
01:10:00.340They're just working with them as a business partner to achieve their own ends.
01:10:08.120Well, the dullest – you have factions in the CIA and the establishment too.
01:10:11.380So some factions do support – there's like five or six different views of – or sects within the, quote, CIA.
01:10:19.460So you've got, like, Robert Bayer-style democratic party stuff, and then you've also got, like, Alan Dulles, you know, crypto-Nazi type stuff.
01:10:32.420So, I mean, human beings differ and have different views, but like you said, yeah, at a geopolitical level, that doesn't mean that people won't work together.
01:10:43.340I mean, Reinhard Galen trained the Mossad, so.
01:10:45.500Yeah, and then, you know, like, the CIA helped fund – was it Betty Friedan or Gloria Steinem, one of them, you know, like, helping them fund Ms. Magazine.
01:10:58.120So I don't know if Nazis were feminist.
01:11:01.740So, like, if you go – I wrote an article that I think is relevant probably.
01:11:05.920If you go back, it's called the OSS – CIA OSS and Western Support for Communism, something like that.
01:11:15.500But I went to the CFR archives, and you can find back in the 40s they were having these debates.
01:11:22.220So you had – some of the people in the CIA were more on the Nazi side of things, and they wanted a pro-Nazi approach.
01:11:31.100They wanted to – they wanted fascism.
01:11:35.460They wanted that kind of a government enacted.
01:11:38.500And they didn't want this idea of convergence with the Soviet Union.
01:11:43.180And so you had other people in the CFR who were more on the liberal side, Alger Hiss and these kinds of people, and they were more openly wanting a convergence between Sovietism and Western capitalism, which, you know, the third wave view, as it's called.
01:11:59.940Well, so there's debates at those levels as well, so, you know, don't – I'm not trying to say that it's all one total control mechanism because there are different views, different strategies, and different plans.
01:12:16.540But I tend to believe – and when it comes to Hitler, for example, I tend to believe the way that Quigley phrases it is that he was unwittingly perhaps a puppet of the British power structure.
01:12:34.780That's something that I'm actually very interested in discussing, and we'll get to that a little bit later on.
01:12:38.760But we have to go to the break soon, so I want to kind of get back to this Angler question.
01:12:41.920I mean, if you look at this historically, I mean, if you go all the way back to the Roman Republic, there are records of, you know, Jewish and Syrian merchants all over the Mediterranean in southern France.
01:12:52.760So they've been – literally have been international merchants for 2,500 years.
01:12:58.140I mean, you could argue that's exactly what happened with King Solomon is that he engaged in foreign trade deals basically and accepted the idols in his temple.
01:13:06.540And so – but it seems like especially after, you know, the conversion of the Roman Empire to Christianity, there seemed to have always been this natural check on Jewish power.
01:13:22.500Usury was considered to be gravely sinful, you know, and illegal, and, you know, Jews were always seen with suspicion.
01:13:28.660I mean, St. John Chrysostom, of course, writes, and so, I mean, even in the high Middle Ages, you know, with the crystallization of the errors of papism, there was always this natural check on Jewish power.
01:13:44.500Whenever they would accrue, you know, too much land through usury, you know, they would just be expelled and their lands reconfiscated, and, you know, things would kind of have a reset.
01:13:54.140But it seems that, you know, what happened is in the Renaissance with the rise in terms of the Catholic circles, the Medici banking family, and then with the Protestant Reformation, John Calvin, of course, the usuryist, where he defends usury among Christians, right?
01:14:09.080There is this—those safeguards drop, and suddenly it becomes acceptable for Christians to engage in new serious business practices with Jews, and the kind of, you know, arch—the carriers of this torch seem to be, you know, the Netherlands and England, right?
01:14:33.440And so my kind of view would be that these—the Anglo question, having to deal with the, you know, embracing of Protestantism, sort of led the way for this inordinate Jewish influence that we see today.
01:14:47.260Well, I don't think any of that could have happened if the papacy didn't change its view on usury in the West, so—
01:14:54.460Oh, I'm not familiar with this. Care to enlighten us?
01:14:56.600Yeah, the Catholic Church, around that time, you're talking about the Medici period, the Renaissance period, formerly had forbade the practice and then began to change and say that it was doable.
01:15:13.540I think Michael Hoffman even has a whole book on this, so absolutely.
01:15:17.780In fact, when I was a Catholic, I had a hard time trying to sort of wrangle with that.
01:15:21.640But now, certain arguments are made at times, like, well, could a Christian charge a non-Christian usury?
01:15:33.720You know, these kinds of weird sort of approaches to it, and then—anyway, I'm not—that's a very complex, involved issue.
01:15:43.660But just simply put, yeah, it's a dangerous thing, and it's very—it can be very harmful, and it is a tool.
01:15:53.740But I would say that you'd have to—the first power structure in the West that begins to allow it is the papacy.
01:16:02.780Wow. Fascinating. Yeah, and so, but would you generally agree with the narrative that I've presented, that it was, like, fundamentally a problem with Western Christianity that we allowed this inordinate Jewish money to power to come in?
01:16:20.740Well, yeah, what I'm saying is, I guess it would be whichever pope—and I haven't looked at this in a long time, so I can't remember off the top of my head, which—it's something during the Renaissance period there's a change in papal approach, so.
01:16:37.960Yeah, there's a talk Hoffman did on Red Ice, I think it was. It's from several years ago, but he talks about—it was kind of like a process starting, I think, with the Council of Trent.
01:16:52.460I don't remember all the details, but it's—yeah, it was like a—it took, like, a couple centuries or something.
01:17:13.780I mean, you've got to convert something to shekels, so what this is doing, it's like this will-to-power in the form of, you know, Usu is crushing that which is organic.
01:17:25.680So if you have maybe some fields, you have to sell some of your land to pay the Usu is the money changer, or someone else has to do it instead.
01:17:36.480At best, you can just shift the blame, so to speak, and let me just take a modern example of this.
01:17:45.080In Sweden, we have—the whole pension system has a huge pyramid scheme.
01:17:50.480So what they have been doing now for years is that they have redistributed money, so we're all equal, so we're all good consumers, so we keep feeding the system, so to speak.
01:17:59.480And they also get all these money people from the third world in, so they can do the same thing with them.
01:18:04.480We pay for their clothes, we pay for their rent, we pay for all of this.
01:18:08.480Plus, they will then take money from the bank in loans, so they'll stimulate the economy.
01:18:16.480So the whole economic wheel will just speed up, speed up, speed up until it hopefully crashes in.
01:18:22.480And that is what we see right now. It's literally sucking a nation dry.
01:18:27.480Right. I mean, I think that to say it in a more pithy way, I mean, E. Michael Jones describes it as barren metal, right?
01:18:38.480So essentially, it's the artificial creation of liquid capital where there's no, like, real capital to back it up.
01:18:46.880So there's not any goods or services that are being provided to expect this increase in money, in money capital.
01:18:55.640It's just kind of artificially demanded.
01:18:58.720Yeah, I understand all that, and I mean, I'm familiar with those arguments, but—and I think that, like, now where we are, it's almost—
01:19:08.480We were so dominated by this electronic fiat, Federal Reserve-type stuff, which did have its origins in usury and gold notes and then, you know, like, printing more gold notes than you had actual gold and all that.
01:19:22.460I mean, that's what Quigley goes into, and that's the irony, of course, of the libertarians is that they'll talk all day about tragedy and hope in Quigley,
01:19:28.960but they forget that—quigley says that the gold-backed currency and the libertarian philosophies of the 1700s, that's all the banker plot.
01:19:40.220So I'd love to hear Ron Paul respond at some point to Carol Quigley talking about Ron Paul's philosophy being the beta version of the banker plot,
01:19:51.760and now we live in banker plot 2.0 with digital currencies and all this kind of stuff.
01:19:58.800I mean, I think that at a local level, you could make an argument that—I guess it depends on how you define usury,
01:20:05.540because, for example, if I have a lot of capital or if I own something and someone comes to me with a business venture
01:20:18.500and they want to borrow or they want money, I'm taking a risk by giving them the money for whatever their venture is.
01:20:33.100Now, if it's charity, that's something different.
01:20:35.300But if they're wanting to start a business or something like that, then I'm participating in the risk of this,
01:20:42.160and I don't think that you could use Christian charity to argue that, like, I'm somehow bound to have to help somebody start a business or something.
01:20:51.200So now some people will define this as the most basic example of usury, that if I expect a return for the money that somebody borrows from me for some business venture,
01:21:03.260most people, what I think, say that that's, like, basic usury.
01:21:06.820I mean, I'm not sure I have a problem with that.
01:21:09.240I don't see why it would be wrong for somebody to expect—
01:21:15.580I mean, obviously, I know I think that you're correct.
01:21:18.500And, I mean, when you give out a loan at risk, you're providing a service that has a real, like, quantifiable, you know, market value.
01:21:27.660We're talking about something else, though, obviously, when we're talking about, like, these giant international banks and Ponzi schemes and all that.
01:21:35.640And so it's kind of, you know, it's not—one of the things I've been thinking—here's what I'll say to this.
01:21:42.040One of the things I've been thinking about lately is—and I have a very high view of the Old Testament law, which I know Dr. Johnson does as well.
01:21:52.580So biblical law, for example, I think can still inform a lot of our practice and approach to the world nowadays.
01:21:59.100And I kind of come out of a theonomic tradition when I was a Protestant.
01:22:08.880Yeah, well, I was a hardcore Reconstructionist theonomist for a long time.
01:22:12.600So a lot of those principles I still apply.
01:22:15.080And I think if you look at something like, you know, the Code of Justinian, you'll see some of those basic principles applied in Justinian's law as well.
01:22:22.320So I think that it's very—obviously very true with orthodoxies, you know, if you read St. Philorad or somebody like that, Philorad of Moscow, he'll talk about Christian principles and government and so forth.
01:22:34.480So anyway, so—but some of these areas are very difficult, very fuzzy.
01:22:39.820And I would—so if you look at the example of Solomon, and I don't think Solomon was totally a bad guy.
01:22:47.660I think that for the most part he was a good guy until his latter days of, you know, falling into idolatry and so forth.
01:22:54.500But we get a lot of good stuff from Solomon, particularly if you look at the story of the woman, the two whores with fighting over the baby.
01:23:04.280Okay, so when Solomon's going to apply the law to this case, there's no specific example of, like, a penal sanction or a case law that tells Solomon what to do in this case.
01:23:17.800So Solomon, in his wisdom, right, applies a principle to the situation and resolves it.
01:23:24.780And he's, of course, lauded in Scripture for his wisdom in this case, right?
01:23:28.080And so he tells—he says he's going to cut the baby in half, if you recall, right?
01:23:32.120And then he knows that the real mother of the disputed child, the illegitimate child, is going to allow the other one to have it.
01:23:41.040Because if she really loves her child, she's not going to want the baby to be cut in half, and she would rather the child be with another person if it's alive.
01:23:48.940So what I'm getting at here is that one thing I've noticed and been thinking about as I studied Christology intently over the last 10 years is that Christology really informs everything.
01:24:00.000And what we have in Christology is everything that's in the realm of the human is deified, right?
01:24:07.860Because the human nature of Christ joins the divine nature, and the energies of the divine nature deify the human.
01:24:17.540So human reason, even in aspects of law, requires deification.
01:24:24.940So what I'm saying is that what you see in that case is Solomon, because he has the Holy Spirit, his reasoning faculties are deified.
01:24:37.140So he's able to apply divine wisdom to that case.
01:24:39.820And I think that that's the kind of ideology and approach that we should have in our day, too, to government, is that some of these cases are going to be case-by-case basis.
01:24:52.560They're going to require human reason.
01:24:54.720And obviously, we're not dealing with anything like that now.
01:25:12.320It's very possible, right, if the instanton does not arrive first.
01:25:15.080But that's what you've described as exactly kind of what we're about here at Mysterium is we look at ourselves as – I mean, essentially, like logos fascism.
01:25:24.820And so we see – we're going to talk about this later on, but we see – when we talk about fascism or small NS national socialism, what we're really talking about is the application of divine law manifest in the logos, the person of Jesus Christ, to our contemporary situation.
01:25:43.180And we think that these are the best bywords to describe that particular political philosophy.
01:25:50.400Anyway, but that's something that we're going to get into.
01:25:52.420We've gone past our time, so we're going to go ahead and have a break, and then we'll come back in the second segment, and we'll talk about conspiracy culture, racist liberalism, theology, and maybe some Kali Yuga news.
02:54:01.540Yeah, I mean, there's several things in this article that I find really, really, really interesting.
02:54:05.680I mean, one of them is the nature of Buzz Lightyear.
02:54:09.420Like, you have this very Promethean, Luciferian, uh, character that basically seeks to rise Woody to his level, right?
02:54:17.100He rises, uh, Woody, literally, into the air.
02:54:19.640That is, from the earthly realm of human people into the, the aerial realm, the sanguine realm of the demon, demonic forces.
02:54:28.560Right, there's multiple levels to Buzz Lightyear's character.
02:54:35.460Uh, as you said, you know, he serves as kind of a Promethean, uh, you know, uh, archetype, uh, where he comes into Andy's room.
02:54:45.380Uh, where he comes into Andy's room, you know, and kind of, uh, unseats Woody as the leader of the toys, right?
02:54:54.340Um, and there's kind of a dialectic between Woody and, uh, Buzz Lightyear, because Woody represents, like, the old America, uh, uh, maybe a traditional, more traditional America as a cowboy, whereas, um, Buzz represents the, you know, the new technocratic future.
02:55:15.960Oh, I see, and that's, that's a really interesting concept here.
02:55:20.200I mean, I, I, I can really see this, this Woody character actually representing, you know, the common, traditional man.
02:55:26.560And you have Buzz Lightyear, you know, this very Masonic character.
02:55:30.160I mean, he, he is, like, clad in white as well, right?
02:55:33.140This, this Masonic symbol of pureness being mocked by him actually trying to, uh, transcend the samsaric reality of the earthly realm.
02:55:44.520And I find this really, really upsetting.
02:55:49.240Well, let's, uh, look at his name, too.
02:56:01.280And we can also see the, the very demonic nature of the fact that we have non-human entities gaining sentience in this movie.
02:56:11.160I mean, you have, like, the dog, you have the potato man, you have the, uh, uh, you know, all these different toys.
02:56:19.260Not just the toys that are humanoid, like Buzz Lightyear and Woody.
02:56:23.500Right, you know, it's never really explained, you know, why the toys are living, um, you know, I, I didn't really focus on that in the article, but that's certainly a possibility.
02:56:39.600There's also kind of a commentary, I feel like, uh, on the space program, uh, because, you know, Buzz can't really fly his, uh, entire, you know, um, suit.
02:56:53.040It's just for show, right, for kids to play with.
02:56:56.880And, um, you know, so this is kind of like the Apollo program as a PSYOP, you know, to, uh, show, uh, give the appearance of a space program where, but then the real, the flight that we see is based on a lie.
02:57:15.860You know, he, they fly because of the fireworks strapped to Buzz's back, not because he can actually fly.
02:57:23.900But then, uh, you know, in that same scene, there's kind of the, uh, synthesis between Buzz and Woody, where they both fly and, uh, kind of come together as, as one.
02:57:36.860Oh, this, this is very, does you have a point here?
02:57:39.380Because what we have here is the combination of technology, the, the firework with this very, you know, demonically superior entity that's Buzz Lightyear, that might as well, you know, be a Nephilim.
02:57:54.120And he's very technologically advanced.
02:57:56.800Again, Nephilim, the Nephilim were very, very technologically advanced.
02:58:00.800I mean, the, the pre-diluvium, as it actually was, or the anti-diluvium, I should say.
02:58:05.240And what we see here is really a very, very esoteric meaning of essentially the alchemical wedding, because you're fusing the man, the, the, the, the man part of you with the demonic Nephilim part of another entity.
02:58:23.960And you combine it with a glue of technology.
02:58:26.920And this is an absolute abhorrent perversion of how things should be.
02:58:32.360It's a natural, it's sick, and it's, it's, it's, it's, it's not, no, no, no surprise that the masons push for Toy Story.
02:58:43.440Right, and, you know, we can see how Woody, over the course of the film, finally acquiesces to Buzz's presence.
02:58:53.400At first, he's very hostile to Buzz's, kind of unseating him as the leader of the toys.
02:58:59.840But by the end of the film, they're both friends.
02:59:02.300So you can kind of interpret this as Woody's sort of fall, because at the end of their flight, they both fall, right?
02:59:14.400So we can kind of see this in the, similar to the book of Genesis.
02:59:36.580Right, and we can see this, this again, in this very, you know, demonic nature of the dinosaur, which we have in Toy Story.
02:59:50.160And what I think this dinosaur represents is the, you know, reptilian aspect, which you, you know, you wrote about in your article here, that the reptilian are also what we know as the Nephilim,
03:00:02.080which makes sense because the dinosaur, and that is the reptile, and Buzz Lightyear could actually communicate with each other why the dinosaur was actually not humanoid.
03:00:16.860Right, I think, you know, some of the toys are more enchanted by Buzz than, than others, you know, like the dinosaur is very taken by, you know, Buzz's glamour.
03:00:32.080So maybe there's kind of a commentary on the, you know, reptilians, and not in a literal sense, but in like a philosophical sense, people in our elite being taken by, or attracted to demonic entities, like Buzz Lightyear represents.
03:00:51.380Yeah, yeah, I think we really, really have a point here that we need, I mean, we, kids are watching this.
03:00:59.860I mean, the elite are programming our kids to become Luciferian demonic demon worshippers.
03:01:06.000And I think we need to break the conditioning here.
03:01:28.420And I mean, what you, what you see with all these new age Masonic Satanist organizations that, you know, without any clue, watch these movies and just soak it all up with their, you know, their, their intellect.
03:01:44.300And as we know, the brain is the manifestation of one of the, you know, spirits of God.
03:01:48.960So we can really see that by soaking up Toy Story, by, you know, just, just viewing it, you are in fact letting this very Luciferian light shine upon your intellect through your brain.
03:02:03.300And through your brain, the essence of your brain, which in its nature is metaphysical.
03:02:10.780So what, what you have here is a deeper level of programming.
03:02:41.700I mean, you know, even Spielberg says, you know, Hollywood's dead.
03:02:45.140So I think it's already kind of going on.
03:02:47.680Yeah, yeah, but I mean, you have all these middle class, bourgeois, atheist parents that allow their children to watch, you know, this very, very dangerous movie.
03:02:59.180And, I mean, what would you say to these parents?
03:03:06.300I'd say they probably just don't know what they're looking at.
03:03:09.880But, you know, not, not everybody's up on, you know, esoteric literature, you know, they're not, they're not aware of worldviews and paradigms.
03:03:21.940You know, that's why I try and, you know, look at those presuppositions and deconstruct them on my website.
03:03:29.880Yeah, you are, you are deconstructing this preposition, that's for sure.
03:03:34.300And there's another book in Toy Story, which I think we should, should actually talk a bit about.
03:03:42.520What does a human character represent in Toy Story, Jay?
03:03:51.580Well, I'd, I'd kind of say that maybe the human character represents God in a way.
03:04:01.740You know, because the human character introduces Buzz to the room, to Andy's room, kind of in the way that maybe God, you know, Lucifer was the archangel at one point.
03:04:22.440So I'm not, I'm not quite sure what the subtext is there.
03:04:26.100Also, what you're saying is, is that you could also see Buzz Lightyear's fall, as a fall from his human state of being perhaps an actual astronaut, to his fall into being a toy astronaut.
03:04:42.560So you can, you can kind of say that all of Toy Story would then be the toy's desire to become man again.
03:04:49.320But you're kind of stuck in this fallen state of actually being a sentient toy.
03:04:56.920Yeah, there might be kind of a Gnostic, yeah, there might be kind of a Gnostic, you know, narrative there.
03:05:05.080I don't, I don't support Gnosticism, obviously, but that could be it.
03:05:09.700Yeah, so Toy Story is a Gnostic, Satanist, Mason, Masonic movie that's aimed at brainwashing our kids into World's Game of Satan.
03:05:21.640Because, I mean, you see this as a thread throughout the movie.
03:05:24.500The toys are very conscious of them being toys.
03:05:31.400You know, all these cars and all these, you know, human beings and all these different entities which they have not really experienced within the sensory confines of the room which the toys actually are inside.
03:05:46.440And you can also see that when the human character comes into the room itself, the toys are very, very still.
03:06:54.980So why are they showing this talking bear to children?
03:07:00.560Why are they brainwashing our children into becoming Satanic, Gnostic bear worshippers?
03:07:06.680It's about taking, you know, subverting traditional religions and bringing them into, you know, this like New World Order religion, introducing Far Eastern philosophy, this sort of thing.
03:07:24.700So what they're essentially doing is that they are injecting the sublunar reality with the logoy of the bear, which they have essentially spiritually, genetically modified.
03:07:39.100So that this log guy will eventually just grow into a horrible being, a demonic bear entity, which can talk and just lead people to ruin.
03:07:51.320And we can see this also being represented in the talking goat, you know, Baphomet, you know, giving secrets to children, giving secrets to the sorcerers.
03:08:01.100And Faust, you know, he summons Baphomet, well, Mephisto, and Mephisto gives him all these secrets.
03:08:21.720This just occurred to me, but another way you can read Toy Story is that, you know, the adults and the human characters in the film are unaware of what the toys are doing.
03:08:35.540And, you know, they kind of, like, just see them, you know, the toys do their actions.
03:08:41.440And then there's the humans are dumbfounded by when they find the toys in a strange place.
03:08:46.920Because you could interpret that as people being unaware of spiritual warfare, you know, demonic, that sort of thing.
03:08:55.940How do you think the directly malevolent demonic entities manifest itself in Toy Story?
03:09:03.600I'm not talking about the semi-demonic entities of the dinosaur, you know, but slightly.
03:09:08.140Because they're still at least poorly human beings.
03:09:10.880But I'm not talking about the real 100% demonic aerial entities.
03:09:24.280The dog and, you know, because that might be kind of a commentary or a wink about the Son of Sam killing.
03:09:34.380If you've read Dave McGowan's book, Program to Kill, you'd know that serial murder is intimately tied into PSYOPs and predictive programming.
03:09:45.100So that could be kind of a bit of a revelation of the method that, you know, the talking dog, allegedly, of the Son of Sam killings was just total baloney fabrication.
03:09:57.940Yeah, and we also have the dog perhaps symbolizing Baphomet.
03:10:03.060Well, not Baphomet, sorry, Belshazzar, the demon, the lord of the flies, which are said to manifest as a hound in the testament of King Solomon.
03:10:11.560And we can see this really, really manifesting the deep masonic, demonic influence that the New World Order has put in place in Hollywood and are brainwashing our kids with by thinking that the kids have become god over their toys.
03:10:39.320That's a good way of, it's a good analysis.
03:10:41.560Yeah, and there's one more thing I think we should just touch briefly on here, and that's the neighbor.
03:10:48.780The satanic, really destructive, fiery neighbor, which in, I think, the second Toy Story movie, basically straps explosives to some toys and basically just blow them up.
03:11:03.160Killing them, destroying them, tossing them into a sort of lake of fire.
03:11:08.040Yeah, that's in the first film, which...
03:11:11.560I mean, that's part of kind of the Joseph Campbell, you know, view on mythology, where in all these stories, the hero makes a trek through the underworld, which you could interpret Woody and Buzz Lightyear going to Sid's house as that journey.
03:11:29.800Certainly, certainly, almost literally, because they're, at one point, they're under Sid's bed, if I remember correctly.
03:11:43.000They are hiding from the great tyrant.
03:11:45.140They are hiding from the entity, which they know will punish them, because they have drunk kids.
03:11:51.940They are, you know, listening to Buzz Lightyear.
03:11:54.400They are listening to Buzz Lightyear's, you know, pseudo-Masonic gospel about transcending the samsaric reality by becoming a part of the realm of the fixed stars, not through God's grace, but through the power of man, you know, technology.
03:12:09.960And the astronauts, the astronauts, the rockets, penetrating the sub-Saturnian realm, and thereby achieving a sort of pseudo-Godhood, right?
03:12:22.820Yeah, I mean, you could also interpret Andy as kind of the loving God, according to the Nestorian tradition of the New Testament, opposed to the, you know, angry Jehovah of the Old Testament.
03:12:45.380I don't believe that, but, you know, that's another influence on the story.
03:12:50.360Yeah, that's a really, really disturbing thing, because what they're implying here is that evil, or should I say, the root of evil is created, while, you know, evil is just a result of free choice.
03:13:04.080And free choice is, you know, not evil in and of itself, because these people are choosing to be evil, and therefore evil exists because they are perverting themselves to this.
03:13:14.140And we can see this really, really esoteric meaning of the nature of evil within the samsaric confines of sub-lunar existence in the actual car.
03:13:26.840I mean, what is the car doing? It's a chariot of the soul. It's a chariot making Woody and Buzz Lightyear transcend the samsaric realm and becoming a very, very powerful entity.
03:13:40.360I mean, they're traveling. They're traveling the stars. It's very, very scary.
03:13:44.720And I think that the car here is representing the UFOs which the Nephilim are using to travel the solar system with.
03:13:56.180Well, I mean, I don't believe in aliens, per se. You can listen to my talk. I did with the Collins brothers deconstructing that.
03:14:11.040But certainly there's some symbolic meaning to that. Yeah, I would agree.
03:14:16.820Yeah, I mean, there are certain scholars that believe that the antediluvian civilization was basically a civilization throughout the solar system.
03:14:28.080And the reason why this really Nephilim civilization could not expand outside the solar system is that what you have in the planets orbiting the sun is the physical manifestation of the planetary heavens.
03:14:45.360So the Nephilim, being fallen, can actually not transcend the sub-Saturnian realm.
03:14:55.080And therefore the Nephilim were attempting to construct a sort of pre-Tower of Babel, which they failed doing.
03:15:05.400And the result of this was the astroids.