Matthew Heimbach, the Chairman of the Traditionalist Workers' Party, joins me to discuss the importance of the family as a social unit, and the role of the father, mother, and children in shaping the family structure.
00:05:04.120We're going to get into this in much greater depth.
00:05:06.260But the structure of the family ultimately determines the entire structure of the civilization.
00:05:12.620And the family, in a sense, acts not only as the nucleus of the culture, but also the state, the church, the nation.
00:05:23.840In a sense, the family unit acts as the first social unit into which any of us is born.
00:05:30.380As Father Raphael Johnson so keenly points out, the individual does not actually exist.
00:05:35.420Because if somebody is born and they exist as an individual, they will die.
00:05:39.900I mean, little babies need people to take care of them.
00:05:43.040So anybody who lives is born into a social unit is, you know.
00:05:48.100And so for most of us, that social unit is, in fact, the family.
00:05:52.820So that context by which new life is brought into the world is, of course, going to be critical for any civilization, positive or negative.
00:06:01.860Would anybody else like to make some opening statements or thoughts before we talk about this?
00:06:07.700Well, I was thinking just in regards to the family.
00:06:13.060One thing is, it's really an American idea to define the family as simply the nuclear family.
00:06:19.080I think when we as nationalists or as Christians or, I mean, you know, if you understand what the nation is as an extended family, then there really is no break.
00:06:30.920You know, when you really look at the family unit throughout European history or really any part of human society, it's not just the mother and the father and, you know, the suburb where every house looks the same and their two kids and their dog.
00:06:42.360It's your, you know, hopefully lots of children, but it's your cousins, it's your uncles and your aunts and your grandparents and your second cousins.
00:06:49.560And it really is a miniature community within the community that then members of that community, of course, marry into other families.
00:06:56.400And that's what kind of brings everything together.
00:06:58.620So I think just, you know, to start off, when we define the family, I think we as nationalists, you know, really define it differently than the average American conservative does, which is a really atomized unit.
00:07:09.600They're not individualists, but they are cutting off the family structure from its organic nature as being something greater than just the mom and the dad and the kids.
00:07:18.640It's something far larger than that, and it has a far, you know, more important role than just the mother, father and the kids.
00:07:25.380Yeah, that's absolutely correct, and we're going to get into that, you know, in a little bit.
00:07:29.060But I think that you're right and correct to make the caveat is, yes, when we're talking about the family, we're not referring to this kind of diminished nuclear family structure, which exists really only in historically one place in the world, and that's like southern England.
00:07:44.460There's virtually no other civilization or society in the world besides southern England that practices organically, you know, this kind of model of, you know, wife and husband and two or three children.
00:08:00.820And this industrialized society has, you know, spread this model of familial organization artificially to much of the world where it simply does not, in fact, belong.
00:08:12.200So the – I guess one of the things that I wanted to talk about before even going into this is that the – I wanted to actually get kind of theological right at the beginning.
00:08:27.100Because for Christians, you know, the family is more than just, you know, the biological unit.
00:08:36.160It's more than just the kin group to preserve and carry on your genetic material and share resources in order to secure the success of your offspring.
00:08:44.880The family is, in fact, a reflection of the Holy Trinity.
00:08:47.500God, in the beginning, in the garden, created man alone, and he saw that man needed a wife.
00:08:58.120This is a reflection of the theologos, the inner nature of the Holy Trinity.
00:09:05.880That divinity does not exist as a singular person but rather a community of persons interrelated to one another.
00:09:12.540Man, in his essence, is designed to be corporate, to be familial, to be with one another, man and wife.
00:09:20.340And from their union – and as we've discussed, you know, the marital union is, in fact, a holy mystery.
00:09:26.620You know, in Christianity, it is a sacrament.
00:09:30.220From this holy mystery of marriage, we see the production of new life.
00:09:35.380So whenever we speak about the family, we're not only speaking about it as an economic, as a social unit, we're speaking about it as a sacramental unit, truly.
00:09:45.560And so any change or attack or structure of the family, whenever we're discussing this, this always has religious implication.
00:09:53.360And, you know, it's the teaching of holy tradition that, in fact, the family is the first church.
00:09:59.580If we look at the early Christians, this is quite explicit.
00:10:03.560I mean, the people were baptized by their households, and these baptized households literally served as the first churches.
00:10:12.720I'm curious if any of you would like to add on to that.
00:10:16.880Well, yeah, there's a lot of good stuff there.
00:10:22.760I just wanted to add to the earlier point about family being necessary for the development of human beings.
00:11:20.740We're going to get into this, I think, in a little bit more depth.
00:11:22.960Now, conspicuously, I mean, this is another talking point that is very common, but it's absolutely correct.
00:11:30.680The family unit is under attack from all directions by our enemies because they – you know, our enemies, the left, the synagogue of Satan,
00:11:41.180are totally dedicated to destroying any – the traditional society, the traditional worldview,
00:11:48.040anything that is based upon natural law and order and logos.
00:11:54.760And the family is the most instinctual, most basic, most automatic emanation of this.
00:12:00.440Without any other outside elements, people naturally form tribal kin groups.
00:12:52.040And, you know, we've covered on Kali Yuga News before stories where the technology exists to artificially, you know, grow children in wounds.
00:13:01.220And so Aldous Huxley wrote Brave New World not as a warning but rather as a model of the society he wanted to see actualized.
00:16:02.700And how this future totalitarian state has completely taken control of the family through, of course, the control of the Marriage Act, right?
00:16:20.580Children are to be produced in a laboratory under controlled conditions.
00:16:23.940And there's that great rant from the Dennis Leary character about, you know, you want to see the future?
00:16:40.620And so, I mean, you know, kind of getting back to it, I suppose it would be better to speak about it in a little bit more detail.
00:16:48.840And we're going to get into these with any of these points, but I don't think that we can emphasize enough that the family is our destiny.
00:16:56.880It is our natural means of propagation of our civilization, of our culture, of our religion, of our values.
00:17:05.460I mean, and there is good news, actually, for our side.
00:17:07.540This is the one area – and we're going to get into this, of course.
00:17:09.600You know, I really jumped the gun, but, you know, religious people in the United States and in Canada, at least, white people have the highest birth rate.
00:17:19.660They're very religious and, in fact, are far above replacement.
00:17:24.440And more and more are homeschooling now, so they might be able to retain their children.
00:17:53.900And so in the family, the first thing that we see is blood, that within the context of the family, the children are genetically the bearers of their mother's and father's blood in their genes.
00:18:10.540And so, of course, we see from our enemies on the left that they're constantly pushing, you know, miscegenation.
00:18:17.020They're constantly pushing this disassociation from the natural family lineage of your ancestors.
00:18:25.040Because if they can destroy this, I mean, they destroy at its core fundamental biological level the procession of our blood heritage.
00:18:38.160And so, as we discussed before, the family is not just the nuclear unit.
00:18:47.320The family is this integrated social bond that's united by blood, by relationship.
00:19:00.260And we can see that in the natural world – please, Hanbach, did you want to say something?
00:19:04.420Oh, well, I was just going to say, you know, we're thinking of quotes.
00:19:09.020The Russian Orthodox Church's Declaration on Church and Nation has, I think, it really, you know, explains all this when it says,
00:19:17.140Christian patriotism may be expressed at the same time of regard to a nation as an ethnic community and as a community of its citizens.
00:19:24.860The Orthodox Christian is called to love his fatherland, which has a territorial dimension, and his brothers by blood who live everywhere in the world.
00:19:32.900This love is one of the ways of fulfilling God's commandment of love to one's neighbor, which includes love to one's family, fellow tribesmen, and fellow citizens.
00:19:41.780So, as we're speaking about the – with the nature of family and faith and nation all tied up together, I think that explains it, that this – you know, your brothers by blood, those who you have that blood connection with, it's not just if they have the same passport as you.
00:19:55.780It's not if they just live in the same region as you.
00:19:57.820That even around the entire world, if they're in the diaspora, if they've gone anywhere on this planet, they are still your brother by blood.
00:20:04.180And you still have that kinship and responsibility and duty to care for them, to love them, and to work for what's best for them.
00:20:11.000So, that – I mean, that is the family.
00:20:12.960That is understanding the nation is bonded together.
00:20:28.960And that's exactly what we're fighting for.
00:20:32.040I mean, as ethnic nationalists, we're fighting for our extended family.
00:20:36.860This blood union is something that naturally and organically ties us all together.
00:20:42.620And it's – you know, it's super rational in that sense.
00:20:46.340We don't need to justify this with any argument.
00:20:48.960And I think that's something maybe it was Anglin or Asmundor was talking about the other day is that, you know, any attempt to justify fighting for our own survival is unnecessary.
00:21:00.260By divine fiat, by natural law, you know, we have a duty and a right to fight to secure the existence for our people and a future for white children.
00:21:11.100We do not need to have any moral justification for this action.
00:21:15.240Not just futile but, like, counterproductive, really.
00:21:21.340I mean, you're already granting the promise that it might be wrong.
00:21:27.680And so that's one of the things is, you know, we need to make sure that we don't inadvertently buy into the presuppositions of our enemies, that we don't buy into this idea that somehow we need to justify why we're fighting for ourselves.
00:22:20.140But I think what's more important to realize is that, you know, nobody is going to secure that existence except for us.
00:22:26.500And this is something that I've tried to emphasize before is that anybody who's listening to this podcast, you are it.
00:22:34.440There's nobody else in the world who's going to fix our problems.
00:22:39.140There's no platonic form of the right-wing vanguard that's going to materialize and do away with the snakes and vipers that have enthralled us.
00:23:01.860I mean, I was just going to say, it's just like we're standing here in our town or our village or our city in Vienna, you know, or in the outskirts.
00:23:12.860And we're looking at this massive horde of foreign peoples that are coming to destroy everything that we want.
00:23:19.340Of course, encouraged on by those that most want to destroy us.
00:23:22.760And you can't look to the guy on your left and look to the guy on your right and say, so you've got this, right?
00:23:28.020You know, I'm really, you know, I've got to get back to my fields.
00:23:32.100I've got to get back to, I really have something going on.
00:23:34.800There was going to be a play tomorrow.
00:23:38.520They all went and they picked up their weapons and they went to fight for their people.
00:23:43.560Now, we, of course, fight as a peaceful political movement.
00:23:47.120But that dedication our ancestors did to sally forth at the barricades at Vienna or to fight the ships at Lepanto or to fight at the Battle of Tors.
00:23:55.520Or how many hundreds or thousands of times throughout European history, there was no question about, I'm going to leave this job to someone else.
00:24:02.460The survival of my children, I'm going to leave in another man's hands.
00:24:06.580You take up that mantle and that responsibility.
00:24:08.940And so does every single man with you.
00:24:10.920And women, of course, have such a crucial and important role in this struggle as well.
00:24:14.800And that spirit, we need to encourage.
00:24:16.400I think you're hitting such an important point.
00:24:18.840People need to understand you can't be a spectator in this.
00:24:22.660You can't sit on the sidelines because every single person who's out there on the streets, there are a hundred more people who think exactly like you that aren't hitting the streets.
00:24:31.580So we build momentum by getting more people out, being more active, building more communities, things as simple as getting out there and building a homeschool collective based in real faith, based on our nationalist principles, keeping our traditions alive, to being street activists, to being candidates, to doing content like this.
00:24:46.660This takes every hand to be on deck to do and fulfill our responsibility to our people because it's simply continuing what our ancestors did.
00:24:54.960We have an honorable legacy to uphold of sacrifice, of martyrdom, essentially, for the sake of our faith and the sake of our blood.
00:25:02.400So this is something that takes all of us to be equally involved in.
00:25:06.780And if you're listening, you're part of the revolution.
00:25:09.620And there's no other two ways about it.
00:25:13.580So you have to find the best way you can contribute to it.
00:25:16.060Not everyone has to do what I do or what Andrew Anglin does or a million and other people, but find the way you can be involved because this is your family and their future.
00:25:25.160And you have a duty and responsibility to join us on the barricades.
00:25:31.000And the family is, as you said, is founded on solidarity.
00:25:35.400It's who among us would not gladly give our lives or fight and die for one of our family members.
00:25:46.060You know, I mean, I know on a personal level, I mean, there are many of my family members who certainly I part ways with and who I disagree with, you know, sternly on a number of issues.
00:25:58.180You know, but I'd gladly, I'd gladly give my life and fight for any of them without question.
00:27:15.700And we can't be divided on subculture.
00:27:17.120We can't be divided on region or things like that because the struggle that's happening in Europe is the same struggle we're fighting here, is the same struggle that our brothers and sisters are fighting in South Africa just for their very survival.
00:28:08.100And that love is what's going to motivate you to sacrifice and for them to sacrifice for you and to sacrifice for anyone else within the national community.
00:28:15.640So this is why family is so important because to understand what is family and then what is our relationship with love and our relationship to one another that ties it together.
00:28:24.320The idea of factionalism, the idea of petty disagreements dividing people that are fighting for the future of our children.
00:28:40.860And I mean, you know, you say that like love and we've talked about this before on the show is, you know, love is not what the modern world defines it to be.
00:28:49.340It's not this indulgence, this, you know, Father Raphael's, this, you know, kind of saccharine, sweet, romantic, Victorian, you know, being a pushover.
00:29:04.560I mean, love is our, is what our Lord was displaying when he suffered and died on the cross for our sake.
00:29:11.260You know, love is, I mean, you know, love is George Lincoln Rockwell taking a bullet by one of the traitors from his own organization for his political ideals.
00:29:22.660Love is Jesus, our Lord, chasing the money changers out of the temple with a whip.
00:30:03.820And so unless we are animated by this charity, caritas, this spirit of love, this willingness to do this, whatever is necessary for one another.
00:30:16.700And furthermore, it's this charity, I haven't talked about this before, then please go ahead, Doc.
00:30:22.140It's this lack of charity, precisely this lack of attitude that causes the divisions within our movement.
00:30:29.420That people are not willing to give each other the benefit of the doubt.
00:30:33.220That people are not, don't regard one another with this fundamental attitude.
00:30:37.740And I've seen it time and time again, this black-hearted vitriol that exists in the hearts of some of the people here.
00:30:44.420And the way in which they speak and talk to one another, whom ostensibly they're supposed to be compatriots with, ostensibly are supposed to be their comrades and their warriors.
00:30:55.860But they regard one another like shit.
00:31:04.560It escapes me who is credited with first saying it, but it's been well said before, and I think it bears repeating,
00:31:11.660that an army will fight and die, not because it hates what is in front of them, but because it loves what is behind them, and more to the point, they're brothers to their left and their right.
00:31:27.380I mean, and that's – the book On Killing, the author talks about this, that kind of universally, if you talk to veterans, and probably Doc, you can talk about this firsthand, is that almost all of them say across all recorded history that what they fight for is usually, fundamentally, the men who are next to them.
00:31:51.500It's for their compatriots, their comrades, their brothers.
00:31:57.180And we talked about this on the last show kind of obliquely with the hermeneutic of gay suspicion that this – what the modern world is designed to do is to exactly break down this attitude,
00:32:08.300to destroy this love, to destroy these bonds that we have between one another where we are willing to fight and die, and we cannot be bought off.
00:32:16.200All right? That's what they want to do, introduce this spirit of alienation, of isolation, of mercenariness, where all is a commercial exchange at best, and at worst, the hedonistic pursuit of disordered passions and pleasures.
00:32:37.800Now, Julia, you've been very meek and silent. Would you care to add some commentary?
00:32:43.680Well, I'm not sure how well I can follow up on that.
00:32:52.280Let's see. All I'm thinking of is all of the many, many examples of how they teach us not to stick with our family and with our brothers and sisters.
00:33:04.980I mean, we – the pro-abortion people have even taught women that babies are parasites, like literally parasites.
00:33:13.980I mean, we can't even view our own children as something that we should love and protect no matter what.
00:33:27.400This is one of these things that – and I've seen it expressed before in these terms by people in real life.
00:33:39.580They talk about fetuses in the womb as these parasites.
00:33:45.420Right? And it's really some of the most disgusting stuff that I run into is this general attitude.
00:33:56.740But anyway, we'll probably get into this later on when we talk about that kind of stuff.
00:34:02.920So, yeah. I mean, so that's what we're talking about when we talk about the family as the core of the nation and that fundamental attitude that a mother has for her children.
00:34:11.840That a son has for his brother or his father.
00:34:17.940That's how we have to feel for one another.
00:34:22.300And we have to know that there's nobody else to protect our family but us.
00:34:28.820There's no – you know, our Lord might come back tomorrow. He might.
00:35:08.680And so everybody in their own way has absolutely the capacity to contribute to the struggle.
00:35:14.340Not everybody is a great orator or a fighter or built for any of these tasks.
00:35:19.640But there's something you can do even if it's as base and crude as supporting the vanguard economically.
00:35:25.500You know, if it's even just behaving with the spirit of charity to one another.
00:35:31.280You know, how delightful is it to speak to somebody who you know genuinely cares and loves for you just because you are related to them racially?
00:35:44.480There are a lot of ways that, as women, we can help that we're not doing.
00:35:53.600First of all, we need to be having children.
00:35:55.240But we also need to make sure that we're the ones raising them.
00:35:58.000We're not sending them to public school and daycare and things like that and later on college to be indoctrinated and taken away from us.
00:36:07.700The most important thing as women that we can do, I think, is to be good wives and mothers and to actually raise our children in our ideals.
00:36:17.340Raise the next generation of white children to be what they need to be.
00:37:44.680And instinctually, like, they understand that, you know, in order for the faith to survive, it needs to grow at an organic level.
00:37:50.620Right, because this is another one of these great Hollywood lies, is that, you know, you can't teach your children anything.
00:38:03.840That no matter how you try to bring them up, ultimately, they're just going to rebel against you.
00:38:08.180And they're going to kind of, you know, go and be, you know, faggots and degenerates, no matter what.
00:38:13.080Right, this is the common Hollywood trope.
00:38:14.580And that's actually a load of baloney.
00:38:16.160Well, and, you know, I think on that, one can turn to one of the famous homilies by St. John Chrysostom.
00:38:23.820Because, you know, he was talking in regards to the church.
00:38:27.480But it's also very applicable to us as parents when he's talking about the relationship between shepherds and sheep.
00:38:33.900And from one of his homilies, he said,
00:38:35.800When the shepherds feel that the wolves will raid, they are quick to throw down the flute and pick up their slingshots.
00:38:41.760They cast aside the pipe of reeds and arm themselves with clubs and stones.
00:38:45.280They take their stand in front of the flock, raise a loud and piercing shout, and oftentimes the sound of their shouts drives the wolf away before it strikes.
00:38:53.500I, too, in the past, frolicked about and explicit in the scriptures as if I were sporting in some meadow.
00:38:58.960I took no part in polemics because there was no one causing me concern.
00:39:02.340But today the Jews, who are more dangerous than any wolves, are bent on surrounding my sheep.
00:39:08.320So I must spar with them and fight with them so that no sheep of mine may fall victim to those wolves.
00:39:14.420And you think about that in regards to us as parents.
00:39:18.400I mean, everything, whether it's the media or what was brought up about the school system or what was brought up with our society, that is 100% accurate.
00:39:26.100Those are wolves that are being sent by the same master to attack our children.
00:39:30.520Those that we have a responsibility to care for.
00:40:04.100This goes back to the earliest church fathers on the responsibility pastorally of our clergy to care for us, but also of parents to care for their children and other members of their community.
00:40:14.020That when the wolf is coming, even just sometimes standing up and fighting back and being willing to fight back, will scare the enemy off.
00:40:20.540They'll go look for a weaker target, but be willing to sacrifice to make sure that your sheep are cared for.
00:40:29.860You know, it's just interesting that you do see the system, the Jews pushing this trope that your children will always rebel against you.
00:40:41.100They will always push back against any sort of structure or system that you, as the parent, try to set up.
00:40:48.240But what's interesting, of course, is that in reality, it's actually quite the opposite.
00:40:54.040In everything I've experienced, children have a natural desire to seek the approval of their parents and their peers.
00:41:03.700And, I mean, just for evidence of this, just look at the success of fundamentalist religious organizations of any stripe.
00:41:14.340You know, like, obviously, there's a whole bunch of people not rebelling against the SSPX.
00:41:21.580You know, they're able to fill these massive academies like St. Mary's in Kansas and so on, or the fundamentalist Mormons or whichever.
00:41:33.660You know, people actually cling to structure, to systems that require that they give of themselves.
00:41:45.120No, it's a good point. And especially when it's obvious that they give life.
00:41:50.600And I think, like, you think about that.
00:41:52.080I mean, in America, you know, where, you know, the entire, like, the worst thing that you can be is, like, a fundamentalist Protestant.
00:42:00.360Right? And I'm not saying go out and be a fundamentalist Protestant.
00:42:03.140I have sharp critiques of, you know, many of their theologies.
00:42:06.520But, you know, this is like the, in Canada, this is the international, internationally lampooned symbol is this, you know, the fundy, you know, ridiculous young earth creationist prod.
00:42:26.640So I wanted to say, I think Doc is right that children do emulate their parents.
00:42:36.140They want approval from their parents.
00:42:37.520I think the problem of what seems like rebellion comes when you don't actually raise your child, either because you can't or you chose not to.
00:42:46.700Because if public schools are raising your child and then when they get home from school, you're working.
00:42:52.180The mother is working to provide for the family.
00:42:57.260So it's public school teachers who tend to be liberal and Hollywood that's raising those children that rebel, even though they have really nice parents who tried to do their best and they don't know what happened to the kids.
00:43:15.040That's the entire post-war system is set up to achieve exactly that result.
00:43:19.580That's that's the why of the car based society and the suburb and the put getting women into the workforce and the creation of this sort of this cult of youth and childhood and TV and mass mass media.
00:43:42.060And you see the fruits around us today.
00:43:45.780Yeah, there was actually back on the on the faith.
00:43:48.380There was a very, very interesting study done in Switzerland where they wanted to look at the long term religiosity of the children of parents and how many of them.
00:44:01.180Um, how many of them retain the faith as they grew up now?
00:44:12.880I'm trying to look at the figures correctly.
00:44:14.900Essentially, what they found is that in instances where the mother was very devout, but the father was not devout at all, only about one in five children would go on to retain the faith when they were adults, even if the mother was going to mass, like going to church three times a week.
00:44:36.380But they found in instances where let's the reverse was true that the father was very devout, but the mother was not devout at all, 80% of the children retained the religiosity.
00:44:50.840And so this is this is absolutely critical to understand.
00:44:53.180I mean, you know, most of the listeners to this podcast are mad.
00:44:58.160And so you have, you know, if you want your children to be religious, you know, take it seriously, go to church, set an example for them, bow before the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ.
00:45:06.600Kiss the icons, show them that this isn't something faggy and womanly, that this is something serious, that praying is, is not exclusively from men, but it is manly.
00:45:43.500When everyone is doing their place, they're doing their job, everything runs well.
00:45:48.140But the takeover of our institutions of churches, where the structure is diametrically opposed to the traditional faith and, of course, the survival of our people.
00:45:57.860I think that's why you see so many men unplugging from the faith.
00:46:00.080And even amongst many traditionalist jurisdictions and things like that, they fall over themselves to still work on leftist principles where they go so far to the other position that they, of course, oppose racial nationalism and things like that.
00:46:14.160So I do think and I understand why there is a big problem, especially for men, you know, to, to, to stay in the churches and things like that.
00:46:22.380But that's why we need to be looking towards, towards truth and to be able to find truth and be able to, to make truth happen.
00:46:28.600And if you are, you know, if you're raised in a cucked jurisdiction that doesn't hold to the faith of, you know, the undivided church in the first century or the first millennia, or that's promoting these sorts of things, get out and find one that works for you.
00:46:40.580Because we need to have that structure, you know, not, we all can't be monks, you know, God bless them for what they do.
00:46:46.700But if you're a man, especially a father and a husband and a comrade, you know, we need to be able to find those churches to be able to, to work in, live in, and worship in that, that do have that proper structure.
00:47:01.420You know, and it's, you know, as an example, one of the things that's very conspicuous is in the Catholic Church, where they still do, in fact, retain an all-male priesthood, 85% of the lay religious educators are women.
00:47:23.880And this is something that, you know, if you're, this is, it's not so much a problem for young women, but for young boys, if your only contact with religion and catechesis is through, like, your cat lady religious instruction teacher in high school or at your parish, right?
00:47:43.380Who's giving you this kind of, like, light and love, you know, novus ordo bullshit Christianity?
00:48:00.580That's why I became an edgy atheist myself for a couple years there, wandering through the wilderness.
00:48:04.560It wasn't until I found history and the church fathers that I came back from the faith, and I think that's why so many people have rejected Christianity, because the Christianity that's promoted isn't Christianity in any capacity.
00:48:14.640Where, you know, Christianity has the divine masculine and the divine feminine, where it has, you know, each gender being called to live up to their greatest responsibilities, and, you know, to do so in a compassionate, loving, but dedicated and fanatical way.
00:48:28.440There, you know, Christ says he doesn't want you to be lukewarm.
00:48:50.860I love them deep down, but I hate what they're doing.
00:48:53.600And you see that time after time where, because it's easy.
00:48:57.480I mean, what would have happened to Christianity in the Eastern Bloc if, you know, if the priests, but not just the priests, you know, Stalin said that orthodoxy, you know, couldn't be removed from the Soviet Union until all the babushkas died.
00:49:08.720Because it was the women, too, that kept the faith alive.
00:49:11.500And the men and the women that went to the gulags by the hundreds of thousands, and so many of them suffered martyrdoms and tortures for the faith, that they were unwilling to yield.
00:49:20.020I think of one, you know, very powerful thing that I was reading in Gulag, that they had these nuns that were sent to Siberia, and they were stripped, and they were, you know, said to take your passbook and your approved clothing.
00:49:35.040And they refused to take the passbook or any of the clothing given to them by the government because they said that it was a satanic, anti-Christian government.
00:49:42.280They would not accept that mark of the beast on them, and they all froze to death and starved to death rather than give up their convictions and rather than legitimizing the Bolshevik government.
00:49:53.260And you think about that fanaticism, and fanaticism is a good thing.
00:49:58.940And what we have in the United States and in Western Europe is so many of these clerics, they would rather bow down, not just eat, they're not being threatened to be sent to a gulag or to be shot or have their church burned out around them, or like the Romanian Orthodox that had Ceausescu go ahead and bulldoze some of their churches.
00:50:18.600No, they might get an article about them on the SPLC, and then they run.
00:50:22.920And that's why we need to cultivate good men and good women to keep the faith alive.
00:50:26.960And that's going to happen at the community.
00:50:28.420We're in the catacomb church here in the West, whether you want to realize it or not.
00:50:32.180You might be able to go to your local parish somewhere, but, you know, dollars to donuts, it's going to be a church that's been occupied.
00:50:40.080So we need to keep the faith alive and have that fervor and love of God and love of our people for truth that those women did and the gulag, that those priests did and those lay people did in the Soviet Union.
00:50:51.680They gave everything up for the sake of God and the sake of their people.
00:50:58.520I mean, think about the fanaticism of our martyrs, of, you know, the foundation of our church, upon whose blood we stand.
00:51:06.800Who suffered torture and death rather than drop a kernel of incense in the brazier to the emperor.
00:51:13.100I mean, I'm sure I could go whip out Eusebius church histories and I could, I could read to you a count after a count after a count of martyrs who, you know, unspeakable tortures.
00:51:26.100Women, like women who, women who were, were like gang raped to death by Roman soldiers because they refused to sacrifice incense to the emperor.
00:51:38.520It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's easier to resist that kind of overt blood dripping persecution.
00:51:53.260What we have here is more subtle than that.
00:51:58.560Well, it's, it's, uh, to seek out a historical parallel.
00:52:04.120Uh, the, no one's really saying anything.
00:52:08.280It's just that, uh, the priests, you know, in, in, in, in, in the church, in the parish is, is just made a slight change to, uh, uh, to the canon, you know?
00:52:21.000And, and, and, and now, oh yeah, um, yeah, yeah.
00:52:24.620Christ, yeah, he's, he's not, he's not the third person in the Trinity.
00:52:28.440He's the Archangel Michael or whatever.
00:52:30.560And how easy is it to just go along with this, this, this slight change?
00:52:40.060It's the same, same priest as you, you've always had.
00:52:43.060It's the same parish that your parents went to.
00:52:46.780And then slowly things unraveled because we don't mean it anymore.
00:52:51.040Well, Doc, you, you, you hit such an important thing there.
00:52:53.480Imagine if you could live for, you know, 1500 years and say you were in, you know, um, a parish church in England, for instance, and, um, you were going and worshiping in the undivided Christian church in 500 AD, right?
00:53:07.720And then you, uh, 500 years later, um, then you become Catholic.
00:53:11.960You don't really know how that happened.
00:53:12.860You're still going to the same church.
00:53:14.000Um, and then 500 years later, you become Anglican, okay?
00:53:17.260And, uh, then you, you fast forward 500 years to today and you have a, a woman, lesbian bishop who is ministering to you that has absolutely nothing, uh, in unity with when you started going to the church, uh, in 500 AD.
00:53:33.400If, you know, if, if there was a Christian that could have lived through the entire period, they would absolutely, in a heartbeat, walk out of any of the modern churches, um, almost, almost all the modern churches, because you're, you're right.
00:53:45.000It happens, it's slipping a little poison in, they've got lots of sugar around it, but it just slowly rots and it slowly kills you.
00:53:52.040And you think about just how things have changed since World War II, the radical changes that have happened in a parish.
00:53:57.100I was watching a thing this morning about an Anglican, um, priest that, um, is giving Muslims in, in his town the ability to worship in the church.
00:54:05.900And they're actually donating church land to them and, and to, to be able to build a mosque.
00:54:10.380And what, there, there was no ministry.
00:54:12.740There was no, hey, have you heard about Christianity?
00:54:17.880I don't know how another human being could be that cucked in the entire planet of the world, you know, the, the entire history of the world.
00:54:24.420They just put that poison in generation after generation, you know, the devil, demons can come at you in a very, you know, horrific way that terrifies you and scares you.
00:54:32.640But you're right, that is almost better, because, um, the devil whispering in your ear is a far more insidious enemy to face off with, and one we always have to be on guard against.
00:55:07.940But the family is not just, uh, the nucleus of the church, but it's also the nucleus of the cultural expression.
00:55:14.600And this is something that I think, um, Zog has been entirely successful in deconstructing, especially in the United States, outside of very specific areas, uh, is this cultural transmission through the family line.
00:55:31.380I mean, cause this is where you receive your folkways, where you receive your family traditions.
00:55:36.380Uh, you know, from a young age, you grow up in a milieu with all of this social technology that has been handed down to you from thousands of years of development of trial and error.
00:55:48.720It's just given to you and you take it for granted.
00:55:51.380And most of us in the West, we've not had this luxury.
00:55:55.100At best, we have Christmas trees, which in fact, if you're an Englishman, that's, uh, an innovation that comes from, uh, German mercenaries serving in the Hanoverian foreign legion.
00:56:10.340And, uh, in, uh, the British military in the 18th and 19th century, right?
00:56:17.800And so, I mean, um, this, if we've talked about before on the show, this idea of American futurism, that what we want to do is we want to create this new American ethnicity, something that is integrative of all of the best elements of what our ancestors brought to this continent with them.
00:56:38.460And what they built out of their blood, sweat, and tears upon this land.
00:56:44.240And the first place that that's going to happen is with our children, is when we teach our children these things of value and we show them who we are, where we come from, to be proud of ourselves.
00:56:59.320Next episode, we're going to be, and this is a sneak peek, next episode, we're going to be doing, talking about arts and culture.
00:57:05.920And hopefully we'll have, uh, our friend, uh, Patty Charlton on and Jeffrey Fairwater of Nationalist Public Radio.
00:57:51.640So if they watch something on TV, then it's on, um, a DVD or a VHS because I don't even want those, those commercials here.
00:57:59.840And a lot of people aren't willing to, uh, to cut that out.
00:58:02.600And so they don't know what their kids are seeing in between.
00:58:05.800And you've got, um, yeah, I mean, this is not even talking about daycares and public schools.
00:58:14.940You have no control over what's going on there.
00:58:17.080So unless you homeschool, unless you have a very traditional church, it's very, and your, your in-laws and your parents are on board with it too.
00:58:26.300It's very hard to, uh, avoid the pause in the culture.
00:58:30.640I would say that this is perhaps the worst aspect of the atomized, um, nuclear family structure that we have, especially with the hypermobility and the long distances of the American continent.
00:58:48.900Um, my, my parents, uh, live half a country away.
00:58:53.460Like, uh, they live as far from me as, as, uh, it would be for someone who is living in Britain to have his parents living in Poland.
00:59:03.880Um, so it's, it's, it's other than, other than Skype chats or FaceTime or, or some other electronic communication, um, it's very difficult to, um, keep a sense of familial togetherness and, and provide opportunities for the transmission of family culture, of family traditions.
00:59:28.820When I grew up, I had family close by, like I was being rocked on knees by grandparents and great grandparents and, and, and, and stories, family stories were being told to me.
00:59:44.060You know, I, I have an ancestor who was, uh, who got himself hung as a horse thief.
00:59:49.400And the only reason I know that is because I had, I lived close enough to great grandma to, to learn that story.
00:59:55.480Um, we live in the same area as my in-laws and we still only see them once a week for a couple hours usually.
01:00:07.260Um, and I know that historically we've had a lot more contact with the, uh, the elders in the family.
01:00:14.320I mean, it would be nice to have a more experienced older woman here helping me with the children during the day.
01:00:20.380And, um, uh, it would have been nice to have someone else teach me how to bake bread instead of me teaching myself their trial and error.
01:00:28.460I think that's something we need to build back up.
01:00:31.560We need to do what we can to teach our children that they should stay in the same area as us so that we can be there for them.
01:00:41.400Um, and to try to get our parents involved, um, so that our children grow up with that as well, with their grandparents around all the time and helping out.
01:00:52.600Well, I think that's building community is really one of the biggest purposes of our movement because it's necessary.
01:00:58.320I mean, you know, my wife has gone through a very similar thing.
01:01:01.600She actually just handed me a bowl of homemade soup, which was great.
01:01:05.220My wife, my wife is the best, but her, uh, her mother who has now passed never raised her with how to be a homemaker or to be a mom or things like that.
01:01:16.020And to not have family around, I mean, you know, the church fathers tell us that you're really not supposed to move very much because you're rooted to your soil.
01:01:23.500That's your connection is to your ancestors being able to go to the family graveyard, you know, that has 10 generations buried in it.
01:01:30.640Things like that are very, very powerful.
01:01:32.780And I think if we're going to have any sort of political victory, the battle does begin in the home, but then it also begins in the community where we need to be able to have men and women to help one another, where women can raise kids together.
01:01:44.240Because it's not supposed to just be one mom and the kids.
01:01:50.420You know, it's just like men with jobs, um, being able to help one another and things like that.
01:01:54.440We need to be able to have those communities to be able to lend aid and to be able to be there to be emotional support and be able to just have that responsibility for the community.
01:02:04.720I think every part of our victory is going to come from building communities.
01:02:09.560And we are totally rebuilding from the ashes.
01:02:12.080This is the Phoenix having to rise from absolute destruction because there is nothing of the American family really left except in some very remote corners.
01:02:20.320So it's up to us as nationalists to reject the modern world, to reject globalism, to reject individualism, and to start putting our people first.
01:02:27.380And that means communities and community bonds.
01:02:30.560I think something that would be helpful is, and we don't have to have a commune with, you know, 10, 15 families, but to, um, if you know you have to move for one reason or another, try to move near someone that, you know, has similar ideology to you.
01:02:47.100Um, if we could have, you know, just two or three of our families in the same town and the same neighborhood, then we would have so much more support.
01:02:56.660And that's, that's all it would take is us just moving close to one another, just a couple of us.
01:03:04.880And I don't think it's talked about enough that if we actually want to build these communities, we want to actualize our ideas in, you know, in the world, we actually have to live in the same vicinity as one another.
01:03:18.800You know, ideally within walking distance, you know, but, but driving is fine.
01:03:24.040And I'm in this, this, I don't think that this can be, can be stressed enough because, you know, Heimach and, and, and Evola are, um, you've both pointed this out quite correctly is that this is, this is how it's supposed to be.
01:03:34.480I mean, we're supposed to live in an area with people who have the same blood and values as us.
01:03:38.640But because we are in this postmodernist wasteland, okay, we live around, you know, um, people who are foreign aliens, who are traitors, who are lukewarm, who, who want nothing to do with us when we would actually express our values, who, if we were honest with them, they would run away in fear.
01:03:58.360They would report us to the thought police.
01:04:00.740You know, I mean, I, I, I, I, you know, I live in Canada, you know, I can go to prison for saying what I say.
01:04:08.640You know, and so we have to understand, I think that it cannot be emphasized enough.
01:04:14.320It's like, it's not, you know, it's not LARPing.
01:04:17.520In fact, the LARPing is when we do it without any reference to real life.
01:04:21.980What happens is we need to actualize it in our own communities.
01:04:25.660And so this is something that I think long-term is critical is we actually need to physically live in the same, um, geographic area as one another so that we can support each other.
01:04:37.020Can I also just say a side note, not to, to break the important stream of conversation, but, uh, thought police and thought police are either horrible or hilarious.
01:06:30.540And so the most revolutionary thing that you can do to challenge the dominance and supremacy of this illegitimate Zionist occupation government
01:06:42.320is by men having your own family and guiding them in love and order.
01:11:52.060Is there anything any of you would like to add before we go to the break?
01:12:01.100Yeah, I know that I'm one of the biggest, you know, book geeks here.
01:12:06.860But I think one of the most revolutionary or perhaps counter-revolutionary books that I read that kind of was instrumental in pushing me away from modernity is Patriarcha or The Natural Power of Kings by the learned Sir Robert Fillmore, written in 1680.
01:12:32.800And I mean, just if our listeners could read the first chapter of that book.
01:12:41.040I mean, it goes into all of this about how the origins of kingship are basically the authority of the father, of the patriarch of an extended family, of a clan.
01:17:25.780And God, a reflection of the Holy Trinity.
01:17:31.700And precisely for this reason, our enemies so viciously attack and destroy it.
01:17:37.820Now, there are a few other subjects that I want to address.
01:17:44.620I mean, probably exhaustively, we will never be able to exhaustively cover this topic.
01:17:49.640We probably could do two or three episodes on this and not even begin to scratch the surface.
01:17:55.080But one of the things that we mentioned earlier in the episode was the distinction between the nuclear family and expanded family models.
01:18:08.060Now, we have been conditioned that when we say the family, we think the nuclear family, the father, mother, sort of two children, bourgeois American lifestyle.
01:18:20.720At best, maybe, you know, the expanded family with, you know, some cousins and uncles.
01:18:26.880You know, but even then, that's uncommon outside of, you know, kind of immigrant communities and that sort of thing.
01:18:34.360But really, as we mentioned, this is an incredibly uncommon familial structure.
01:18:39.340And I think that the nuclear family is good, but I don't think it's the best, frankly.
01:18:42.900I think that, typically speaking, any sort of familial structure that includes maximum intergenerational cooperation and collaboration is the best.
01:18:56.800And I would say that this is not a hard and fast rule.
01:19:41.900If we look around the world, I mean, we can see that there are many different types of families.
01:19:48.180In China, for instance, the typical family structure will be the mother and the father and their children.
01:19:55.240And then the father's parents will live with them in the house.
01:19:58.160And I think this is a very positive phenomenon in the sense that there is intergenerational cooperation, a direct connection and lineage to your ancestors.
01:20:09.760They put them, they pool themselves in with the household labor and are able to provide child care, wisdom.
01:20:20.820And likewise, their offspring are able to provide for them.
01:20:26.020So one of the things that I wanted to just suggest is that there are better systems out there, better family models than just the nuclear family.
01:20:38.820And those that incorporate a broad range of aunts and uncles, grandparents, etc., I think are superior.
01:20:48.020Because practically, I mean, there's more surplus labor.
01:22:01.180So I'm curious as to what my guests think on this matter.
01:22:07.920Yeah, I have to express some skepticism as to the standard criticism of clan-based models.
01:22:22.960I think the usual expression is amoral familialism.
01:22:28.880That used to be something that I myself subscribed to back when I was, you know, sort of generic libertarian sort of guy.
01:22:36.600My constitution, my rights sort of stuff.
01:22:39.800But at this point, I'm not sure if that's actually a thing, if it's even possible to be too familial.
01:22:51.040I have to – I'll have to get back to you on that.
01:22:55.400Well, you know, I mean I understand where you're coming from and certainly from this end of the civilized – the Kali Yuga, it seems that way.
01:23:02.140But if we look at history, I mean, we have – there actually are pretty clear examples of this, things like honor killings.
01:23:08.820I mean if we – even in Shakespeare, actually, Shakespeare kind of believes that a great fictional account of kind of a type of what this looks like where you have, you know, family clans who feud with each other over political matters, you know, in a completely unchristian manner.
01:23:24.800I mean this is basically what happened in Italy after the destruction of the central Roman authority up until like the rise of the great principalities, you know.
01:23:40.300So I think there is a certain level of legitimacy, but that's like really the far end.
01:23:43.560I think from our perspective, there is really nowhere to go but up.
01:23:48.460Well, yeah, yeah, I just think that like the people pushing for the sort of – the breakdown of Klan loyalty and the suppression of Klan feuding are the early modern centralized states who wish to establish this sort of – this civic model of citizenship.
01:24:11.780And I think that's dangerous territory, mate.
01:24:15.960I think – I understand what you're saying.
01:24:19.540I think rather the ideal is to view the entire nation as an extension of the tribe and the common family and not to feud within that unit.
01:25:04.380Yes, I was just going to talk about – ideally, we would at least live near all of our relatives.
01:25:11.400We could have – there are still places out in the country around where I live where you have one nuclear family, but then there – the parents live next door, and then the sister lives across the street.
01:25:26.200And then the brother lives on the other side of them.
01:25:30.100They just happen to buy up the land nearby.
01:25:33.620You know, everyone lives in the same neighborhood.
01:25:35.200That's actually practically – that is practically what happens in those sort of setups is even if you have, like, commonly held ancestral land, you have different households on the property that people, like, run independently.
01:25:50.520For matters of raw and pure practicality is, you know, you cannot have, you know, five or six women feuding over dominance of one household unit.
01:26:00.540Right, so I think that is really ideal to be able to walk down the street and spend the day at your sister's house and all of your kids are taken care of together.
01:26:12.060You all make the food for the day together and help each other with the house cleaning and things like that.
01:26:19.520From a female perspective, it would be ideal to live near aunts and grandparents and parents and sisters just for day-to-day life.
01:26:31.020There is just such a huge load that would be taken off all of our shoulders if we could do that.
01:26:41.740And one of the things that's conspicuous about these models of family life is it's radically different from the current North American standard.
01:26:51.140But, I mean, that's what we're striving to be.
01:26:53.260And so I think in any discussion of expanded family model has to happen in the context of American futurism.
01:26:59.000And the reason I bring it up is because, practically speaking, I mean, how many of our listeners, like, how many of your parents are, like, down to, you know, buy land in the country and, you know, live there in, like, a radical traditionalist semi-agrarian lifestyle?
01:28:15.480I mean, if you really look at it, because what is the Jew other than encapsulated greed and hatred and hatred of everything that's good and of God?
01:28:23.800And that's found, to some degree, within all of us.
01:28:26.440Of course, there's a specific people that we are fighting against, but the battle within ourselves never ends.
01:28:31.520The battle within society, you know, that, you know, the good times make weak men, and weak men make bad times.
01:28:37.360We all know that cyclical nature of history.
01:28:40.120And for us in our society, that even if we're totally victorious, we can never disband the Revolutionary Guard.
01:28:47.040You know, to look at the Iranians, they, you know, the Revolutionary Guard is the elite to ensure the revolution continues.
01:28:53.720And very much so in our societies, the revolution of mind, body, and soul can never be abandoned, because it never can end.
01:29:03.340It's a war, there's always going to be peoples that are trying to hurt our folk, and it can never end.
01:29:09.380This has got to be not just multigenerational, but for all time, that our people are, you know, of course, wanting peace, but always being prepared for war, and always understanding that we have to be on guard.
01:29:25.760You know, Florian, it wasn't that long ago that we had a more expanded family model.
01:29:36.460It's this overly nuclear model is really only a post-World War II thing, especially in the Catholic cities.
01:29:51.720You had entire neighborhoods of interrelated families who had communal structures, who had parishes and parish halls, and sort of what amounted to essentially guilds for the men and sewing circles for the women, and it was a very cooperative existence.
01:30:14.920And that's really what, of course, the civil rights movement was ultimately about, was the slaughter of the cities, which, of course, is the great book about that.
01:30:25.160Yeah, by E. Michael Jones, fantastic work.
01:30:29.180And I mean, it's, kind of goes back to highlight this idea that, you know, the phenomenon that we witness in the modern world, it's not just like these natural forces that emanated themselves, you know, like weather.
01:30:46.680But it's the result of specific policies, you know, and I mean, I remember, this is a completely an aside, but it's important to talk about.
01:30:55.700I was having a discussion with a professor where, you know, he was talking about, you know, this, you know, the 20th century drive towards, you know, individualism and individual assertion.
01:31:06.240And, you know, I pointed and I'm like, this is completely like a construction.
01:31:10.300This is not a, you're, you're presupposing that this is like the organic phenomenon of a genuine cultural development and innovation when it was completely manufactured by corporate media interests.
01:31:39.760So, yeah, I think that that kind of covers that.
01:31:43.020Now, moving on to the next topic, this is something that's talked about a lot.
01:31:48.600You know, the kind of famously, there are kind of two positions on this, which are articulated both by David Duke and Andrew Anglin, where, you know, sort of, I remember I was listening to a podcast where both of them were on.
01:32:03.200And David Duke was saying the sort of standard position that, you know, the best thing that we can do to fight the revolution is to, you know, have white families and have like 10 children.
01:32:13.500And Andrew Anglin was kind of rebuking him and saying, well, he didn't actually necessarily think that that was true.
01:32:20.400He thought that ultimately that the numbers game, the demographics one from just like the positive end of our own growth, we would never be able to do enough to win from that perspective.
01:32:33.920And that ultimately, you know, we would have to rely on, you know, deporting the foreign aliens in our midst rather than focusing so much on the growth of our own families.
01:32:47.000So I'm interested in what your opinion is on this.
01:32:54.860My own personal take is I think that, I mean, I think both are necessary fundamentally, but I tend to support the mainline view.
01:33:04.280I mean, I think that, you know, the most revolutionary thing you can do, in fact, is to have a big family and to be, you know, a traditionalist Christian and to raise them in the same way.
01:33:15.400You know, I mean, if you raise seven, you know, white, you know, healthy, virtuous children who all go on to have their own families, I struggle to see a more beneficial action for our people and for their future.
01:34:08.380This is something I remember some absurdities you used to hear back on TRS where people would just say, you know, well, it's just, you know, this whole, you know, white people are magic notion that all we need is just white people.
01:34:22.520We don't need more white degenerates and communist sodomites.
01:34:27.400I mean, we need more virtuous people fundamentally, and that's always the predicate is that we're raising these people.
01:34:34.700We're raising our children to be warriors and bearers of our culture and our civilization to take up the struggle after we pass into dust and our souls descend into shale or, I mean, God willing, perhaps paradise.
01:34:48.400Paradise, but, you know, this idea that just white people, we all know is retarded.
01:34:59.160Everything, everything, and this is what we've been saying for a long time, is predicated on our own virtue because it was the lack of virtue in our own white homogenous civilizations that opened the door for modernism and liberalism and the enlightenment.
01:35:15.580It's because we allowed these just disgusting scum and our own people to degenerate and our leaders to be subverted that we have this situation to begin with.
01:35:31.460Well, I mean, you know, and I think with all this, we need to have more people, but not more, you know, white people necessarily, as you were saying, but we need to be acting in everything we do in preparation for the creation of our own independent homeland.
01:35:45.980And we need more citizens of that homeland.
01:35:51.400Demographically, Andrew Anglin is 100 percent right.
01:35:53.180And that makes sense within the framework of trying to defend America.
01:35:57.100That's, you know, we, oh, we kind of have to get rid of over 155 million people to make that happen.
01:36:02.400But if we're thinking, I think, far more realistically at, you know, within the empire of balkanization and getting our own homeland, well, that makes a lot more sense.
01:36:10.660And then we need to be raising our kids to be able to have those citizens to inhabit that land that already know what's up, that already know our principles and belief systems.
01:37:05.920And to a certain extent, I mean, Mr. England does have a point that a small number of highly committed people can achieve ends disproportionate to their means.
01:37:21.160The reconquest of Spain was accomplished from a few small mountain hideouts, essentially caves, all right?
01:37:31.420So, in as much as there are racial differences, those racial differences are real.
01:37:39.980And in as much that our race may have certain advantages, those advantages are true.
01:37:51.080But reality isn't just a sort of calculus where you're given a certain input, you shall obtain a certain output, right?
01:38:03.120If our race has certain advantages, then we owe it to the author of our race to use those advantages to his glory.
01:38:14.880And if we don't, well, we will be judged in this life and the next accordingly.
01:38:23.280Well, here's the thing, what the fuck does it matter if you have 120 IQ if all you use that for is to obtain, you know, heroin and sodomy?
01:38:59.880And I'm not saying that in spite of that, we shouldn't fight and die for our people and try to rehabilitate them, obviously.
01:39:07.680But what I'm saying, okay, is that, you know, these beep-boop, you know, intelligence, racial, we know Negroes are less smart, but it doesn't matter.
01:39:15.780It doesn't matter what faculties you have unless they're directed towards a good end.
01:39:29.320You know, and I mean, I think a lot of people have come a long way in realizing this.
01:39:34.700And I think that the dumpster fire that became of TRS kind of exposed this to a lot of people that this kind of racist, racist liberalism doesn't fly.
01:40:35.360So, I mean, I would say it's helped focus me and motivate me more than any other thing or any other book or any other podcast I could ever read or get is having children.
01:40:58.660So I guess kind of our opinion on this, having discussed it, is yes, have many children, but have many good children.
01:41:11.600It won't be too hard to raise your children to be good if you do a few things, just homeschool, go to church.
01:41:24.740It's they'll follow in your footsteps if you make sure that they they have the resources and the example to follow.
01:41:32.700So, yeah, I mean, that's the thing is your children are not going to be good by being a racist liberal.
01:41:40.340You know, who, who believes in utilitarian morality and to whom Darwinian, Darwinian Austrian school economics forms the only moral imperative and means to, you know, and political motivation, you know, and I just, it's, yeah.
01:42:14.060I think to a certain extent, we've, we, we sometimes, and this preface, this is not meant as a criticism of anyone in particular, but just speaking in general.
01:42:26.780In general, sometimes we, as a people and as a movement, can allow ourselves to be distracted by sort of big issues, by big picture things.
01:43:07.500Maybe you should put a little bit more effort into doing that.
01:43:09.740Well, if we have hundreds or thousands of very strong, very committed little family units that are building, building things like homeschool groups and things and church groups in their areas, and that's a very good foundation to build anything else on.
01:43:41.980I mean, you know, if everybody who listens to this podcast, I mean, were to start their own family.
01:43:47.540I mean, we get 1,500 to 2,000 listeners from the United States in a week.
01:43:53.580If everybody who listens to this right now, living in the United States, I mean, lived in the same geographical area, of course, that's not possible.
01:44:00.760Even if a fifth, right, if we had 150 of our Mysterium listeners in the United States live in the same town driving distance with one another and start their own families, what good they could do.
01:44:19.320Now, moving on, I wanted to talk about a few, I mean, this is, you know, I mean, at here, the fatherland is kind of dedicated to this, but sort of, there are many practical issues in actually starting a family.
01:44:34.340I mean, it's all well and good to say all of these things about the family and, you know, talk about what it is and how essential it is and these different ideas.
01:44:44.500But we actually have to, as Doc says, you know, go and control this and actualize it.
01:44:51.600And that's not the easiest proposition in the world.
01:44:56.180I, you know, I'm in this same conundrum myself.
01:44:59.020I'm certainly, you know, interested in finding a wife and starting a family, but it's not an easy proposition.
01:45:05.700And so I, perhaps that is the biggest thing is that for, you know, many young men today who are of this, this viewpoint, I mean, the, the, you know, finding a wife and actually starting a family is a frightful proposition indeed.
01:45:26.800Indeed. So, you know, I'm actually the only bachelor on this podcast that I did this very purposefully, you know, everybody, everybody else here, all of my guests are, in fact, married Christian traditionalists.
01:45:44.180So I'm interested in getting your input, you know, talking to the, the sort of, uh, single, the horde, the legions of single needs who are listening, you know, what, what exhortations or what, um, what wisdom can you give them, uh, on the subject?
01:46:04.680Stop masturbating to anime is a good start.
01:46:07.100Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. That's, that's a good piece of advice, certainly. Uh, traps are, in fact, gay. Catamites are gay, please. All right.
01:46:16.720And that's not just practical. I mean, that's, that's, that's spiritual as well. I mean.
01:46:22.300Yeah. Okay. I mean, true. We, we can probably do another podcast on sexual ethics, uh, exclusively.
01:46:29.180Um, but I mean, on the, on the subject of finding a wife and starting a family, I mean, this is, you know, for young men, I mean, like if you, in, in my own personal experience of every hundred women that I meet, maybe one, maybe one is like remotely, uh,
01:46:56.960uh, salvageable. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was like fecund, you know, when you consider that 50 to 60% of women are on like artificial birth control, right. You more, I mean, maybe one, one like young woman I meet is like, yeah, salvageable, like has something going on, like, you know, dateable. And so this, I think this is for most young men. It's just, it's like, how do you deal with the thoughts? You know, we,
01:47:26.940you know, there's no thought police, right. How do you deal with this?
01:47:31.940Well, I mean, I think the biggest thing is, I mean, first of all, men need to get themselves out there in the society and, you know, really be engaged. You can't just wall yourself off because you're never going to meet anyone, uh, that way. And I think organic relationships are the best way to be able to meet people. If you're in, you know, ingrained in a community, whether it's a faith community, um, or, or some other form of community, uh, that lets you meet people that are at least somewhat on your same plane.
01:47:56.640I don't think Tinder is going to lead to the length of your life, in all honesty.
01:48:03.640No, I, I think, I think that you're correct. Um, I think that you're correct.
01:48:08.200I know you're saying that, um, that you don't find many salvageable women. Um, but I think that it's not to such a great extent, um, for, for young women, but I think they feel in a similar way.
01:48:23.020Um, I know that when I go out, I, I see more well-dressed young women, uh, you know, maybe their shorts are too short, but they did their hair that morning.
01:48:33.400Uh, then I see men who aren't young men who aren't wearing, uh, sweatpants and really need a haircut.
01:48:41.260But I agree with that. And that's, you know, for, for every comment about, uh, about foddery that is made in the movement, if we made an equal comment on either the bro culture or just the degenerate stone or loser culture or the neat culture.
01:48:55.480And you know what, half the comments are made like in a ha ha ha sort of way. No, no, we need to be super critical of, uh, of men that don't put themselves out there, that don't build anything, that don't either get jobs or educations, that don't have any sort of moral courage.
01:49:09.520We need to be attacking those people, uh, you know, cause you know what, you don't deserve the perfect woman. Uh, you don't deserve, you know, there is no such thing as a perfect woman except the mother of God.
01:49:18.660You don't deserve a good woman unless you're actually acting like a man and vice versa. You know, a man shouldn't date a girl, uh, or be with a woman that isn't feminine, that isn't living up to, to, or at least trying to live up to traditional feminine values.
01:49:31.520But on the flip side, guys, if you're not doing anything to make yourself desirable and masculine, you know, there, there's a reason why, um, you know, in our movement, you can have, you can have an Aryan brotherhood guy get out of prison.
01:49:43.620And who's like dealing meth and like chop the dude's head off. And, uh, and he's got to get a girl before half the movement because, uh, well, you're a nice guy. No, no, no.
01:49:52.720Women are attracted to someone who can protect them, who can protect their future children that can live in accordance with, you know, with, with, with protecting them and being masculine.
01:50:02.280We need to encourage masculinity and going after, uh, against thoughts is just not enough. If we're going to have real families, we need men to act like men and women to act like women.
01:50:11.540Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. And so, I mean, distill it, you know, lift, you know, deep, even lifting is a good place to start.
01:50:20.600But I think a big thing is, is that, yeah, I mean, just actually, um, integrating yourself into communities where like reasonable women congregate.
01:50:34.040And that means that probably you're going to have to go to church. Uh, yeah, you're going to have to go to church and you're going to have to make yourself, um, you know, worthy of that woman that you want. Right.
01:50:50.040I mean, the scripture teaches us that when a man and a woman come together in the holy mystery of marriage, I mean, they become one flesh, right?
01:50:59.300One entity. Well, like, you know, so you need to be as good as you want your counterpart to be.
01:51:05.420Ultimately, I think that's, that's one of the big things that it comes down to. Like you, you, you do see a lot of the sort of complaint, like I can never meet, you know, the, the, my, my blonde haired wheat filled woman.
01:51:23.420Uh, but what are you doing to, what, what are you doing to create a home for such a woman? You know, like what is your skill? What is your income? Are you ready to support a family? Are you even making an effort to be able to support a family in the future?
01:51:43.280Um, you know, you know what they say? Nothing succeeds like success. What are you doing to improve your life in your future right now? And, um, uh, playing video games, isn't going to cut it.
01:52:01.400Truly now kind of sensitive for time. I think if we hit all of the points that I wanted to hit, we would have a three hour podcast and, uh,
01:52:13.280so I think that we're going to have to curtail it a little bit. The last subject that I want to talk a little bit about is,
01:52:20.300um, has to do with like rearing children essentially. And, uh, more, uh, to put it in more vulgar fashion, you know, how do you save your children from pause?
01:52:36.820Right. How do you actually raise a good family?
01:52:38.920Okay. We've touched on a couple of the different techniques that you can do. Um, and I think,
01:52:45.220think it would, it would be good to go into them with just a little more detail. Um,
01:52:50.340but in my personal opinion, and I would, I would greatly appreciate any commentary on this matter.
01:52:58.520There are kind of three pillars here. I mean, one is like the actual home life. Uh, you know,
01:53:04.000if you've got a mother and father who are present in the home and who are actually raising the children,
01:53:08.080I think this is far and away the most critical factor, um, that the, the familial stability is really what causes children to thrive and that you
01:53:19.700actually impregnate your offspring with your values, with your culture, with your ideals.
01:53:26.300And part and parcel of this is their education. I mean, education is not some like other separate thing,
01:53:34.720like your education that your children go through, you know, they needs to reflect this. And so frankly,
01:53:41.320I mean, in the modern, you know, public schooling is fucking unacceptable. Excuse me. It is. It's,
01:53:47.180it's, uh, you know, a tool of Zog. I mean, it's, it's poison. I've seen this firsthand with my siblings.
01:53:59.140Well, you know, I mean, I think in terms of what we need to do for our families,
01:54:02.700first of all, stay together. Um, I mean, statistically speaking, the best thing you can do
01:54:07.040for your kid, even if the marriage is, you know, if it's on the rocks, if we understand what marriage
01:54:11.120really is, um, and what, uh, you know, the mystery that it is and the dedication that it is,
01:54:16.180and it's not about you, especially once you have children, um, staying together is key. Um,
01:54:21.360and then also homeschooling is, is I think one of the most important things you can do,
01:54:25.900limiting access to television. I mean, look, people, we, we are living as revolutionaries
01:54:30.420in a society that hates us and wants to destroy us at every turn. Uh, sometimes, uh, you know,
01:54:34.920heading back into the hills and hollers is, uh, is the, is the way to go. And I think in our society,
01:54:39.820that's the best one with the community building and unplugging and culturally seceding
01:54:43.600in terms of food, in terms of, uh, the education system, in terms of mass media,
01:54:48.020we need to unplug as much as possible or else we're going to lose a lot of our kids. You know,
01:54:52.320there's a reason the Amish have an over 90% retention rate for their children because it works.
01:54:58.280Absolutely. And on the subject of, um, of keeping your marriage together, it's very important to
01:55:04.580understand, uh, for both men and women to understand that what Hollywood has told you a
01:55:10.200marriage is, is just false. Um, I think that women, I think women initiate 70% of,
01:55:17.180of divorces, I think is the statistic I saw. And that's very sad. And I think a lot of it has to
01:55:22.440do with the fact that we feel entitled to this picture of marriage. That's just completely false.
01:55:29.080The honeymoon period is going to end. It can't be constantly romantic. And it's very depressing
01:55:34.940when you find out that this thing you've been promised your whole life is just, it's not there.
01:55:41.420And if you go to, uh, to complain about this to, to other people around you, often as a woman,
01:55:49.180they will, um, especially if you go to online forums specifically for advice about these things,
01:55:54.040they often are like parenting forums. They're very leftist, but you'll be encouraged even by family
01:55:59.160members to divorce because you're not happy. So it's not worth it anymore. And a marriage is not
01:56:04.660about romance and it's not about you being happy because your husband brings you enough flowers and
01:56:10.620compliments you enough. Uh, at some point it has to be about, um, dedicating yourself to your spouse
01:56:18.080and to your children and doing what you have to do. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. We don't actually have
01:56:26.700time to get into the nature of Eros or, or any of the other subjects. I mean, we could, we could do
01:56:32.740two or three other podcasts on this doc. Do you want to make one more comment that we'll go into
01:56:36.880Kelly in the news? Yeah. Yeah. Uh, actually this, this is touching rather close to home. Actually,
01:56:42.620I am a, uh, a survivor of, um, broken home. Uh, and, um, it's, it's always been my personal
01:56:52.140commitment never to put my children through that. Um, I, I would, I would rather die than put my
01:57:02.020children through that and to be all, in all honesty. And, uh, uh, I, as far as transmitting