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00:02:00.000 Episode 22, Church and State.

00:02:03.680 I'm your host, Florian Geyer, and I'm joined here today by my co-host, Gureva Hans.

00:02:10.340 Gureva, thank you for joining us.

00:02:12.280 Good to be here, but still, better than luck.

00:02:15.460 Doc Savage.

00:02:16.820 Thanks, Doc.

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00:02:19.920 Ave Christus Rex.

00:02:21.160 Returning on our show today is a special guest, Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson.

00:02:25.880 Dr. Johnson, thank you for putting through the ascetic labor of setting up this service and joining us today.

00:02:33.560 Yeah, it's the podvig.

00:02:34.920 I think all my sins have been forgiven, so I'm good.

00:02:37.140 Yeah, glory to God.

00:02:39.520 It's like John Chrysostom said, you know, Vegas exists for the salvation of the rich.

00:02:43.280 That's right.

00:02:43.740 Now, so today we're going to be discussing, you know, the church and state and the relationship between the two.

00:02:52.060 So this is a subject that personally interests me.

00:02:55.220 I think that most Westerners have absolutely no, you know, holistic or real idea of the interaction between these two things, especially in the United States, which is explicitly founded on rebuking the historical European traditions associated with the interplay between these two organisms.

00:03:13.820 So, you know, Dr. Johnson, I mean, this is a field where I think you probably have more experience, more expertise in than anybody else I know, which is why I'm so happy to have you on today to discuss this.

00:03:25.660 So before we even begin, you know, maybe we should just talk about, you know, defining church and state because I was listening to one of your older Orthodox Nationals podcasts earlier today, and you made a very, very good point that, you know, the way church and state were understood to be, you know, a thousand years ago or even 700 years ago is radically different than it is now.

00:03:50.320 So from your perspective, what is the church and what is the state?

00:03:56.340 Well, yeah, that usually takes quite a long time to summarize.

00:04:00.700 You know, it is true.

00:04:01.700 My doctoral degree is actually in the history of political philosophy, realized in the Middle Ages.

00:04:09.280 You guys, for the most part, Holmeukov is the best person to deal with the church.

00:04:16.680 We're not talking about bishops.

00:04:18.000 We're not talking about synods.

00:04:20.320 Well, a representative of the monastics and the clergy and the people.

00:04:26.940 It's an entire body.

00:04:29.740 Really, the uncreated grace that exists on earth.

00:04:34.040 So people have a tendency to define the church by its physical manifestation.

00:04:43.220 As far as the state is concerned, I don't think that's something that moderns have any conception of.

00:04:50.320 Isidore Seville defines it as something that comes from nature.

00:04:57.060 Power is good, power is good, which comes from God who grants it, only as a state, properly speaking, when it coerces evil by fear.

00:05:05.460 Because there's nothing more miserable in his mind than the power of doing evil.

00:05:11.180 People don't have a state today.

00:05:12.840 Justinian's states has a state as just based on natural law.

00:05:22.080 Laws which natural reason appoints for mankind obtains for inequality of all nations.

00:05:27.960 In other words, all nations have a right to this kind of self-determination within the commonwealth.

00:05:31.380 He says, for example, the people of Rome are governed partly by their own laws, partly by the laws which are common to all mankind.

00:05:41.020 There's canon laws, there's natural law, then there's their local customs, specific to themselves.

00:05:45.980 I don't think that the modern states fit that at all.

00:05:53.660 They're artificial, they're mechanistic, they're based on corporate money.

00:05:58.740 I don't think they're states that the Church Fathers would ever use the term.

00:06:03.740 Right. I mean, most people operate under the kind of Weberian definition that, I mean, a state is a corporation with a monopoly in the legitimate exercise of force.

00:06:13.900 So how does that conception, which is the modern paradigm that most people operate in, mesh with any more archaic or traditional conception of the state?

00:06:25.480 Well, when I think, for example, Alcuin wrote a letter to Charlemagne, defines a state as a royal dignity.

00:06:38.840 Just, you know, if the concept of the monopoly of force were to be the definition, then, you know, if a gang were to take over the U.S. and run it, it would be a state.

00:06:51.340 Pain, power, territory, that's what a state is.

00:06:55.480 Positivists and anomalists would have no choice but to think of it that way.

00:07:00.320 But talking about the Church and the Crown, for the medieval and for the Church Fathers and the state,

00:07:08.780 there isn't a Russian monarch that didn't complain that the bureaucracy, creation, was his worst enemy.

00:07:16.700 That so much of what the monarchs wanted to do was destroyed as it was being interpreted by the bureaucracy.

00:07:22.180 That, um, think of it, think of it as a distinction between power and authority.

00:07:29.060 Power is just the ability to coerce someone.

00:07:32.480 Authority is the right to do that.

00:07:35.380 Of course, Church Fathers, you know, we're not positivists.

00:07:37.560 Uh, so they really meant the distinction is between the Crown itself, religious institution, and, um, as the body of the faithful people.

00:07:50.440 It implies a certain uniformity.

00:07:52.400 Uniformity in language and general moral beliefs and doctrine.

00:07:55.180 There's nowhere to be found in the Western world.

00:07:59.520 Yeah, that's becoming more and more obvious.

00:08:02.400 You know, I mean, this is something just interesting.

00:08:04.260 I ran into, the other day, being a supporter of liberal democracy.

00:08:07.700 And I posed to him the question, you know, I said, well, why do you support liberal democracy?

00:08:11.180 And he, he was saying that, oh, well, you know, I support the, the ability for there to be radical Marxists and radical right-wing traditionalists so that people can make an informed decision between the two decisions.

00:08:22.900 And so I posed to him the question.

00:08:24.360 I said, well, uh, when you get to the point where society is so bifurcated that we don't, when we speak of the topic of abortion,

00:08:32.160 one side perceives it as being the, one of the worst forms of murder that you can commit, basically a satanic action.

00:08:39.440 And the other side perceives it as being a lawful, a human right that, you know, people have to have tax money extorted from them to pay for women's abortions.

00:08:48.900 I don't really see how that sort of system can end in anything else but violence.

00:08:53.900 Because there's not even a basic maintenance of, as you say, like the language.

00:08:56.980 We're not even talking about the same things.

00:08:59.640 I don't even believe we're using the same language.

00:09:02.160 We're radically different from each other.

00:09:04.900 We talk past each other.

00:09:06.980 Words like law and justice.

00:09:10.260 They're thinking of something, or even class.

00:09:12.640 They're thinking of something completely different.

00:09:16.900 Yeah, precisely.

00:09:18.100 And I mean, this is, yeah, we're going to get into this, I mean, in a bit.

00:09:23.220 But I just, I just figured it'd be better to get into, to kind of some of the background for our listeners.

00:09:28.060 So, yeah, I mean, what we're talking about when we say the state, in the best sense, is the unity of the legitimate exercise of power, the authority that undergirds it with the spiritual, the metaphysical reality that is, you know, the instantiation of the Holy Spirit on earth, God's grace, which is the church.

00:09:50.960 Go on, please.

00:09:52.240 Well, let me summarize it this way.

00:09:54.720 Let me quote Metropolitan Pleiton Alevshin in his 1772 speech in the birthday of Catherine II.

00:10:01.840 Here's how he, this is my, really my favorite, very short definition of the concept.

00:10:07.360 He says this.

00:10:09.760 Church and society are connected in such a way that one is different from the other, only in attitude.

00:10:16.060 Society is a union of people united by laws in the same form of government, but that this same society is also united by the collective observance, one form of worship, the right of the church.

00:10:28.180 Probably the best.

00:10:33.040 Saying this to someone who is completely secular.

00:10:35.000 A very, very veiled clap to Catherine II.

00:10:43.460 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:44.540 Just make sure that you speak a little bit more directly into your microphone.

00:10:47.260 We're getting a little bit of clipping.

00:10:48.500 But yeah, no, yeah, exactly.

00:10:49.880 I mean, but this raises questions immediately for the implementation of this kind of idea in North America.

00:10:58.280 But I want to get into that like a little bit later on because I think that that's kind of an hour long can of worms to open up.

00:11:04.300 So kind of getting back to this concept here, I read your article on Ruth's Journal about the, about Sinfonia and about the unification of church and state.

00:11:15.400 And we're going to get into this in a minute.

00:11:16.760 But my general impression is that the traditional idea, and this is fairly universal, is that in any society that's supposed to be coherent is that there has to be unity between the spiritual and physical actions of the body of the nation.

00:11:37.060 And that whenever there's a separation between the spiritual life and the physical life or the political and the metaphysical, that there's chaos.

00:11:51.720 There's disunity.

00:11:53.400 There's schizophrenia in a sense.

00:11:55.620 So any sort of political system that allows this to occur, any civilization is kind of bound to collapse because there's not a, it's not a stable firmament to erect, you know, any sort of, any sort of life upon, really.

00:12:15.540 Well, the reason I like Metropolitan Platon's definition, that he stresses the unity.

00:12:22.060 They're very similar.

00:12:23.200 There was no such concept as a secular.

00:12:25.620 Even in old Russia up until, you know, the 19th century, they, or they, the crown, this was a religious institution.

00:12:33.760 So what Platon is saying is that church and, and the, the crown are very similar.

00:12:39.280 Ruth, pretty much doing the same things, two different points of view.

00:12:44.840 But the, he says civil society, he won't even use this concept of state.

00:12:49.960 He's talking about a union of people united by laws and the same form of government.

00:12:55.620 Code.

00:12:58.360 Of course, is, he's not referring to himself or the bishops or anything else, talking about the uniformity and doctrine and forms of worship.

00:13:07.180 North America is another matter.

00:13:09.580 We simply don't speak the same language, literally, and, and, and metaphor.

00:13:13.260 Yeah, I, I, I got a couple of, uh, quick question just to make sure that, uh, I and the listeners, um, understand what we are talking about exactly now.

00:13:25.440 I mean, the, the, the body of Christ is the church and the church is not the world institution, correct?

00:13:32.180 So, the world institution itself is, is basically the domain of the, the priesthood or the priesthood's, uh, point in life, the telos or whatever, is not to be the ruler of the church itself because the church is the body of Christ.

00:13:48.400 And the, the, the church is therefore greater than merely the priesthood, but the domain of ruling the states is not the same as, as the priesthood.

00:13:59.080 And therefore, those with the calling to rule the state, you know, the, the kings, the, the guardians, so to speak, they are being true to their calling in life, their, their telos or whatever, by, uh, performing this, this more political service.

00:14:16.060 And therefore, they are true to the church that is the body of Christ by doing this, because the telos, their meaning in life springs from, uh, God, which is the body of Christ.

00:14:31.040 Or am I, uh, out on a trip now, so to speak?

00:14:34.640 No, no, no.

00:14:35.080 Actually, it's very well stated.

00:14:37.300 Um, I, I, but concept of institution has been one of my, my biggest problems in dealing with people.

00:14:42.360 Um, Americans, I think, moderns in general have a tendency to think of things.

00:14:49.400 Church is, is the bishop, is, is the physical, um, American water church somewhere.

00:14:55.940 Not what the, the ancient Orthodox view of things is.

00:15:01.000 Roman church, after Gregorian reform, started really stressing the administration being almost separate from, from the body and, and could dispense grace.

00:15:09.340 The average person.

00:15:11.020 And I think that's why the Slavophiles reacted so vehemently to this.

00:15:13.920 It comes up in the, in the patriarchs, um, Western church in the 19th century.

00:15:20.480 Talking about solution, the physical amount of sin, you know, sin is a, uh, is a collection of people for the sake of convenience.

00:15:29.200 That's, that's really all it comes down to.

00:15:30.460 It's the easiest way to administer things.

00:15:32.100 But, but you actually have a lot of people who think that that's actually the church as such.

00:15:36.680 Yeah.

00:15:38.560 Correct.

00:15:38.980 That's exactly right.

00:15:40.900 Yeah.

00:15:41.100 So you could, for example, say then that the, the state church of Sweden isn't really a church because they, I mean, they, they have lesbian bishops.

00:15:49.060 Yeah. 0.95

00:15:49.240 I mean, that, that, that's, that's, that's just horrible.

00:15:51.800 That's, that, that's, that's probably heresy as well.

00:15:55.020 I mean, it's, it's just horrible.

00:15:56.060 It's horrible.

00:15:56.340 So, and, um, one of the, the things that, that, um, when we think about this a lot is actually pre-reading the brothers Caramazo because there, there is a small part, uh, one chapter or so where the brothers is at the monastery, I believe.

00:16:14.380 And, uh, Dimitri's article is being discussed about, uh, church courts that the church are going to take over a part of the judicial system.

00:16:24.640 And basically, Dimitri's argument here is that this, this is, this is insane because the, the priesthood is not called to be judges.

00:16:36.700 They aren't called to be a part of the state apparatus.

00:16:39.000 Rather, the, the priesthood should try to connect the state to the birth of Christ because that's basically the priesthood calling.

00:16:48.280 So, um, yeah, correct me if I'm, if I'm wrong.

00:16:54.640 Dr. Johnson.

00:16:55.780 Well, think of a bishop this way.

00:16:58.320 Um, up until fairly recently, the bishops were elected, uh, by the, by the faithful, you know, the monks, the, the priests, the, the, the faithful, the different parishes.

00:17:06.600 Um, the bishop was a product of a monastery.

00:17:10.220 You, uh, and then the office of bishop itself is always in a plural.

00:17:18.060 It's always a we, because it's not a person. 1.00

00:17:21.700 It's an office.

00:17:22.200 It's really, the bishop is really the spokesman for the diocesan synod, but the diocesan soborn are the very same people who elected him.

00:17:29.620 Um, so, um, priesthood, in terms of the priesthood, it's far more than just these individuals getting together.

00:17:38.960 Um, and again, that's why I like Plato's definition, because he's referring to formity of rights and doctrine and belief.

00:17:46.440 Um, it may, just for the sake of convenience, be manifested in the synod.

00:17:50.340 Actually, that's more trouble than it's worth.

00:17:54.520 In other words, I'll go farther than what you, what you're saying.

00:17:56.520 You want to repeat what you just, um, you, uh, you cut out there after you said you would go farther than what he was saying?

00:18:11.500 I didn't say anything. I was silent.

00:18:13.260 Oh, good. Okay, just because there was a little, there's a little, uh, audio cutting in it out there. Excuse me.

00:18:17.740 Yeah, so anyway, um, excellent, uh, excellent exposition there, Grieve.

00:18:23.240 Now, um, so one of the things is, uh, I think that totally pervasive through the entire, you know, socio-religious political milieu of the West is secularism.

00:18:37.340 This is really the dominant paradigm, and this is what everybody defaults back to as the norm from all political systems.

00:18:44.340 I mean, I think you would be very, very hard-pressed, I mean, even among, you know, how many Orthodox would, would openly, you know, advocate, um, against secularism, you know, in North America or in Western Europe?

00:18:56.840 Not a lot. Not a lot. Not a lot at all. You know, outside of, um, kind of radical traditional Catholics and Orthodox, such as the ones who are on this podcast, uh, there's not really, um, there's not really a lot of discussion there.

00:19:10.600 So I guess I wanted to just talk about the, the kind of the origins of the secular idea and how this came to dominate the West's, um, thought, because this, this seems to be an idea which is completely alien, um, to, I mean, every single civilization on the Earth.

00:19:29.280 Um, it's really only in the last 300 years, uh, even in the last 200 years since the French Revolution in Western countries that this idea has, has gained any traction at all.

00:19:39.820 So I, you know, I wanted to open that up for some discussion.

00:19:45.760 I'm sorry, go ahead.

00:19:47.340 Uh, well, I, I think it's, it's interesting that the very word itself is an example of how language has been deformed and mutated and done violently.

00:19:59.280 Um, the, the, the, the, the distinction between secular and, uh, I guess you could say, um, religious, at least in the Western context was originally referring to the distinction between, uh, diocesan clergy, between the clergy who, who, who, who attend to the needs of, um,

00:20:29.920 who are in the world, who are in the world, and the religious orders who are attending to, uh, the glory of God around the clock.

00:20:38.100 Right. I mean, you know, I mean, in the Latin, um, doxological prayer, you know, uh, Gloria a Patria et Filio et Spiritui Sancto, secuterat in principio et nunc et sempre et in secula seculorum.

00:20:52.920 I mean, that's where the root word comes from. I mean, it's certainly not at all, as you say, um, it's, it's not a, uh, as you say, it's, it's a bit, it's a mutilated term.

00:21:03.880 So I wanted to flip back to you, um, I mean, Raphael. So do you, do you see the origins of secularism kind of as squarely in, you know, the Freemasonic, um, you know, French enlightenment and the French revolution?

00:21:15.400 I, I, I, well, as it's most violent manifestation, I think, you know, as everything, it goes back to, to nominalism. Um, you know, when you remove any, uh, there's any meaning or purpose in it at all, all you're left with is will.

00:21:32.180 Well, person will define legitimate state as group of people with able to deliver the economic goods.

00:21:45.220 They can do that to support anybody. It's just a matter of delivering things onto a basic minimum.

00:21:55.640 That's the complete opposite of, of how the ancients understood the state, you know, and today,

00:22:02.040 it's even worse than that. It's nothing but the bodyguard of, of capital.

00:22:06.740 That's what capital tells them to do because the state can't function for more than the state as administration.

00:22:11.140 I mean, more than two minutes without constant infusions of credit from, from the banks.

00:22:18.840 Worse than that. It's even worse than the French revolutionary idea.

00:22:21.700 But, but the, the enlightenment is based on nominalism.

00:22:24.600 There is nothing dead.

00:22:26.940 Life, when human beings or science, uh, puts a stamp on it and makes it useful for us.

00:22:37.040 Right. Yeah. And I mean, this is, this is something that I, that, that kind of, um, I found to be personally, you know, fairly astonishing is that, I mean, why widespread?

00:22:46.640 I mean, even in, in traditional religious circles, I mean, there, there's not really, um, there's kind of like a presumption that the state at large, it is as it exists in Western Europe, you know, like represents like legitimate authority and power.

00:23:01.480 Um, and I don't, it seemed like a, a cursory history, uh, reading of history.

00:23:07.700 I mean, a cursory, you know, examination of, of, of patristic theology.

00:23:11.500 I mean, seems to pretty well, I mean, disprove this.

00:23:14.260 I mean, as you say, Nisro Seville was, I mean, is, is eminently, you know, stands out eminently among this.

00:23:19.800 I mean, cause he was, he was insistent upon the, the idea of, of the common wheel.

00:23:23.420 So, and I believe that at the, um, the, the, the center of the council of Toledo or Seville, I can't recall.

00:23:30.020 I mean, he, he placed, uh, you know, in the, in the canons of the synod or, or in a speech to one of the, the bi-gothic kings.

00:23:37.420 I mean, he explicitly said that it was something to the, the effect of an English.

00:23:41.540 It's, uh, you know, um, you are king as long as you are just, as you were not, as you are not just, you are not king or something to that, that extent.

00:23:53.420 Yeah, well, Aristotle's idea is that the very definition of tyranny is when authority, not even using the term state, the public authority functions in its own interest.

00:24:06.060 Right.

00:24:06.860 Yeah.

00:24:08.860 But in, in, in, in modern capitalism, if they serve their own interest while also delivering the goods, it'll be fine.

00:24:15.320 It's just a matter of power.

00:24:17.000 And if they make life tolerable for most people, that's what it comes down to.

00:24:20.020 I, I got a quick, uh, question, Dr. Johnson, um, couldn't you see the, the state as legitimate only in the sense that it is, uh, a punishment for all the, you know, depravity we've fallen into?

00:24:35.180 Well, in the sense that people get the, the state that they deserve, yes.

00:24:38.400 Yes.

00:24:39.580 Okay.

00:24:39.880 So there, there is nothing then that would justify, um, how should I say, passive obedience to the state in any theological way.

00:24:53.180 Well, let me put you like this. 0.85

00:24:54.940 Um, I never, when I do the liturgy, I never pray for the, for the victory of the, of the armed services of this country.

00:25:02.500 Oh, I see.

00:25:03.220 Uh, finally, uh, because I know what they're promoting.

00:25:07.100 How can I possibly pray for the government and the armed services, which is in every, uh, litany in, in, in, in the Orthodox Church?

00:25:14.500 Who, who, uh, who do that?

00:25:17.500 Couldn't you, couldn't you argue that you are praying, um, then, uh, for the victory against their own passions?

00:25:27.320 By, by, by not praying for their, for their victory?

00:25:30.460 Oh, I see, I see.

00:25:31.120 Oh, I think I know what you mean.

00:25:33.280 Yeah, because, well, that's what the, the system is based on.

00:25:35.380 The system is based on greed and arrogance.

00:25:37.300 People who come to the top are usually the worst, uh, people possible.

00:25:40.920 That's how you gain power.

00:25:42.640 Elicitous and, and double-minded.

00:25:45.040 Um, so by rejecting the state and refusing to pray for their victory, the hope is, uh, God will deliver us from them.

00:25:52.860 And, and that those passions, that, that, that arrogance will, will disappear.

00:25:55.820 But remember, the revolutionary governments came to power by force.

00:26:00.820 There is no place where liberal democracy has not come to power but by force.

00:26:07.200 Yeah, precisely.

00:26:09.440 So, and I think that, what, what, what I wanted to just establish for, um, I'm just getting a little bit of echo there.

00:26:16.260 What I wanted to just establish for our listeners, uh, Dr. Johnson, if you might, uh, you mute your microphone.

00:26:22.020 I'm getting, getting the feedback here.

00:26:23.200 Thank you.

00:26:25.820 Yeah, so, um, what I wanted to establish for our listeners is that the idea of the secular state, where there is this separation between the realm of the religious and then the exercise of political authority, is a, a modern enlightenment innovation.

00:26:44.800 Um, and it, it doesn't really, it doesn't exist as far as I can see, as far as I've, you know, studied, and feel free to correct me, anybody, if I'm wrong.

00:26:52.960 And it hasn't existed in any other civilization at every, at any other point in history, uh, because it's absurd.

00:26:59.300 I mean, how are you supposed to disconnect your highest beliefs about the nature of the universe, uh, its metaphysics, the principles about which it operates on, the goal of your life, your personal ethics that informs your every action, uh, with, you know, your political, uh, activity.

00:27:17.620 And what I think is even more critical to emphasize, we've talked about this before on the show, is like the corporate personality, the corporate identity.

00:27:24.840 And I think, Dr. Johnson, you've been, you've been very good that, you know, the individual, it doesn't exist, because as you, you correctly point out, I mean, the ego, uh, on its own, you know, I mean, a baby when it's born, you know, if it's left alone, it dies.

00:27:38.100 I mean, everybody exists in, you know, the context of, you know, innumerable, uh, interwoven webs of, webs of support systems, uh, of, it's predicated upon, uh, a mass of assumptions that, you know, a baby can even be born and get to the point where they can,

00:27:54.840 they can discuss these issues at all to begin with.

00:27:57.680 And so one of the things I just wanted to establish into for our listeners is that before, um, the European enlightenment, religion is, was not this, this kind of private individual phenomenon that you keep kind of in your interior life and bring out, out of the box when you go to Sunday with all of the other people that adhere to this religion.

00:28:15.820 And then you don't really bring it up in public when you go about your day-to-day life.

00:28:19.420 This is, is completely artificial.

00:28:20.820 I mean, you, the, the, the ethnicity, I mean, the religion forms like a core part of your, your ethnic, your corporate identity.

00:28:30.660 And there is no identity outside of, uh, the corporate, I mean, you know, corporate coming from corporous or body.

00:28:38.780 Right. So you're a member of a family, which is a member of, you know, an extended kin group or clan nation.

00:28:45.260 You're a member of a religious body, you know, a particular local parish of a particular local church, uh, particular trade guild, um, operating in a certain time and circumstances.

00:28:55.760 It's the specificity of your existence that gives it meaning, uh, not the ability to become anything, but the, the fact that you are something in a specific time, place, and context.

00:29:09.200 And so I think that it's really important to completely just, just remove from our minds, this idea that religion is this private affair that doesn't really affect, you know, anybody else but ourselves.

00:29:21.940 Cause that's manifestly retarded. 1.00

00:29:23.300 I mean, we can, I mean, prima facie, we can look at, I mean, Islam understands this perfectly. 0.99

00:29:29.400 And we can look at the interaction of Islam with Western civilization, you know, since its founding of the past, um, you know, 1400 years, uh, you know, 1300 years, you know, I mean, even in the, the, the recent, um, uh, bombings, terrorist attacks that have, that have occurred, which is reading that there was another, there was a shooting today in France.

00:29:48.820 You know, I mean, it certainly does not see, it doesn't look at the West as individuals.

00:29:53.460 It sees them quite rightly as a corporate identity.

00:29:57.940 And so, um, I mean, I'm glad to open this up for further discussion, but I think that it's really, really important that we just completely destroy and deconstruct this idea that, you know, um, what we, what we believe about the highest echelons of reality and what we ought to be doing in our personal code of ethics, like has nothing to do with, with politics.

00:30:18.820 In, on the contrary, it has, it has everything to do with politics.

00:30:23.200 Yeah.

00:30:23.660 I mean, uh, free will isn't to do whatever you want.

00:30:26.340 It's to do what you're supposed to do.

00:30:29.140 I think what's especially galling is that not even the secularists believe that you can separate physics from metaphysics, uh, that you can separate a transcendental vision of the good from how you organize your society.

00:30:48.900 Secular humanism itself operates as a religion and scientists are its priests.

00:30:59.080 I think that, I think it's a great way of putting that.

00:31:04.460 Yeah.

00:31:05.560 Whether they could, they could, you know, it's a matter of prejudice rather than, uh, any kind of factual, uh, factual thought.

00:31:12.100 So, uh, but it goes back to the same concept, um, concept of the secular state was when the Domenici family took over in Florence during the Renaissance.

00:31:22.860 Um, and slowly but surely took over the papacy, took over the monasteries.

00:31:32.660 Well, wouldn't tell them what to do anymore.

00:31:36.040 Not to bother their conscience anymore.

00:31:37.560 Wouldn't alert the public to what they were doing.

00:31:39.240 Bonarola was that person who did that, and he went to the stake for it.

00:31:46.200 Western history, when the banks were starting to take over, the first thing they did was make sure that the church was nowhere to be found.

00:31:53.760 They couldn't have, the church was generally more popular than the state was.

00:31:57.600 Uh, in England, you know, the secularization of the monastic lands.

00:32:01.500 Want these fairly powerful landed, um,

00:32:04.020 groups to, to, to challenge them.

00:32:09.560 About the lands and everything else.

00:32:10.800 Getting the church out of the way was very, very important.

00:32:14.740 And, uh.

00:32:15.300 A whole other way of saying what you said.

00:32:18.580 I mean, that, that, that's kind of what, uh,

00:32:22.040 what the whole, uh,

00:32:24.020 circularist thing really is.

00:32:25.360 I mean, first, first, they are divorcing themselves from the, 0.89

00:32:28.460 the church, that is the, that which is supposed to give something its meaning.

00:32:32.380 And then, when they've done that,

00:32:34.180 they seek to, uh,

00:32:35.300 subject the worldly institution.

00:32:36.800 That is, uh,

00:32:37.760 so you get, like, the Swedish state church.

00:32:39.720 And when they have subjected a state church,

00:32:42.560 you basically, you basically have,

00:32:44.220 again, you have, you have tyranny,

00:32:46.080 because the states only exist for its own sake, then.

00:32:49.420 To the degree that they even claim that they subject the church.

00:32:53.560 I mean, that's kind of gnostic as well.

00:32:55.640 It sounds pretty gnostic as well, if you ask me.

00:32:57.640 It's just insane.

00:33:00.060 I left the concept, you know,

00:33:01.560 in Norway and, and Sweden and even Greece.

00:33:04.560 Um, you know,

00:33:05.100 secular societies that generally hate, um,

00:33:08.680 church ideas and medieval ideas have a state church.

00:33:12.140 Yeah.

00:33:12.540 There's inertia there.

00:33:13.480 It's just a method of control, nothing else.

00:33:15.980 Exactly.

00:33:16.480 I mean, uh,

00:33:17.560 I don't know how much you know about the Swedish state church,

00:33:19.640 but we have little elections to the church,

00:33:22.460 as if it is just, uh,

00:33:23.940 sort of parliament.

00:33:25.300 So you have, you have,

00:33:26.700 you have such a thing called church politicians here in the,

00:33:29.520 the state church and it's just,

00:33:31.060 it's just revolting.

00:33:32.460 So you have like these, uh,

00:33:34.420 uh,

00:33:34.640 leftists and they sit in the church and discuss matter of faith and how,

00:33:38.180 you know,

00:33:38.580 love is love and how,

00:33:40.020 uh,

00:33:40.600 you know,

00:33:40.980 um,

00:33:42.180 Chinese are in the image of God as well.

00:33:44.220 There's also some,

00:33:44.820 some, 0.93

00:33:45.120 just retarded stuff like that. 0.97

00:33:47.800 it's,

00:33:48.700 it's just sad to see really doctrine.

00:33:51.820 If you could vote on it.

00:33:54.060 Uh,

00:33:54.380 what takes over?

00:33:57.200 Doctrine of a church,

00:33:58.960 why will it be voted on?

00:34:01.820 Direction of doctrine.

00:34:03.500 Well,

00:34:03.980 yeah.

00:34:04.580 I mean,

00:34:04.900 that's the thing is,

00:34:05.880 as you say,

00:34:07.060 um,

00:34:08.200 you know,

00:34:09.400 this is one of the things is that the concept of law has become so,

00:34:13.920 uh,

00:34:14.980 divorced from reality with the rise of nominalism.

00:34:17.200 You know,

00:34:17.560 I mean,

00:34:17.900 for,

00:34:18.400 for the sake of our listeners,

00:34:19.740 I mean,

00:34:20.060 in the past,

00:34:20.800 the way our ancestors looked at law,

00:34:23.220 just getting a little bit of feedback.

00:34:24.900 Can I find there a doctor?

00:34:26.180 Oh,

00:34:26.420 sorry.

00:34:26.960 Yeah,

00:34:27.120 it's all right.

00:34:27.800 The way that our ancestors looked at law is,

00:34:29.740 I mean,

00:34:29.940 the law is like the law of physics.

00:34:32.180 I mean,

00:34:32.720 you don't get to decide whether thermodynamics applies to you or not.

00:34:36.340 You don't get to decide that whether gravity applies to you or not.

00:34:39.020 I mean,

00:34:39.200 if you jump off a building,

00:34:40.660 even if you don't want it,

00:34:41.520 you're going to fall and hit your head on the ground.

00:34:44.380 And so,

00:34:44.580 I mean,

00:34:45.000 this is,

00:34:45.960 as above,

00:34:47.020 so below.

00:34:48.480 And so the gross material laws work like this.

00:34:50.620 So why would,

00:34:51.400 why wouldn't laws of,

00:34:53.200 um,

00:34:54.080 uh,

00:34:54.420 the spiritual realm or the political realm work in the same way?

00:34:57.780 So for,

00:34:58.820 I mean,

00:34:59.060 for the,

00:34:59.500 for their ancestors,

00:35:00.360 for the,

00:35:00.960 from tradition,

00:35:01.660 the understanding is that there are laws inherent to all of reality,

00:35:05.620 to all of creation,

00:35:06.520 to all of nature,

00:35:07.340 a logos that's imminent in the created world.

00:35:09.920 And so the,

00:35:11.380 the role of human beings is that we're uniquely gifted among the animals with,

00:35:17.340 um,

00:35:18.480 with rationality,

00:35:19.460 that we can detect and understand the order that's present in the created world.

00:35:23.540 And we can recognize these patterns,

00:35:26.060 and we can not,

00:35:27.220 um,

00:35:27.560 appropriate them to ourselves,

00:35:28.940 and we can express them symbolically through,

00:35:31.140 through language,

00:35:32.000 uh,

00:35:33.180 oral and written.

00:35:34.640 And so what law is,

00:35:35.940 is it's the symbolic expression of these principles,

00:35:39.960 which are already inherent in nature.

00:35:41.820 And the job of,

00:35:43.200 of the,

00:35:43.560 of the legitimate authority of the state is merely to implement the logos that's inherent in nature through coercive force for the benefit of the common good.

00:35:55.600 And so what happens when you,

00:35:57.600 as you say,

00:35:58.140 doctor,

00:35:58.400 when you,

00:35:58.800 when you get into this nominalism where you divorce,

00:36:01.700 um,

00:36:02.840 you know,

00:36:03.100 the,

00:36:03.240 the,

00:36:03.560 you divorce the created world from any inherent meaning is this,

00:36:07.220 this whole concept of law goes out the window.

00:36:09.160 These ideas become,

00:36:10.300 you know,

00:36:10.680 completely constructed and artificial.

00:36:11.840 So you can't vote on dogma because dogma and,

00:36:15.060 and doctrine and how to interpret scripture.

00:36:16.880 That's just an opinion.

00:36:17.800 It's just,

00:36:18.480 you know,

00:36:18.740 I mean,

00:36:19.280 subjective,

00:36:20.620 um,

00:36:21.200 totally,

00:36:21.780 you know,

00:36:22.120 contemporaneous utilitarian appropriation of these documents,

00:36:25.860 which,

00:36:26.280 you know,

00:36:26.380 really were written by flawed men anyway,

00:36:28.020 because they don't,

00:36:28.480 they don't actually believe in,

00:36:29.540 in divine inspiration.

00:36:31.320 Yeah.

00:36:31.980 It's just hubris.

00:36:33.520 And,

00:36:33.760 uh,

00:36:34.580 Raphael,

00:36:35.000 you,

00:36:35.560 uh,

00:36:35.860 I listened,

00:36:36.640 uh,

00:36:36.900 last year to one of your,

00:36:38.800 your,

00:36:39.120 um,

00:36:39.360 audio lectures.

00:36:39.980 That was really,

00:36:40.840 really,

00:36:41.140 um,

00:36:43.100 giving.

00:36:43.640 It really made me realize a lot of stuff.

00:36:45.440 And it was your lecture about a crime and punishment by Losskiewski.

00:36:49.220 And you showed how Raskolnikov,

00:36:51.360 he thought that he could dictate morality just as he wanted,

00:36:55.300 as long as he won,

00:36:56.080 right?

00:36:56.380 So he did his act.

00:36:57.660 But what,

00:36:59.100 what made him snap back is the fact that this was wrong independently if he intellectually understood prior to the act that it was wrong.

00:37:06.660 So he still had this,

00:37:08.680 uh,

00:37:09.220 understand that this was wrong,

00:37:10.700 even if he could not understand it before he actually did it.

00:37:13.940 And this,

00:37:15.220 yeah.

00:37:16.940 I forgot about that.

00:37:18.880 Um,

00:37:19.260 I'm sorry,

00:37:19.580 go ahead.

00:37:19.800 Yeah.

00:37:20.660 And I mean,

00:37:21.020 when you have this,

00:37:22.020 this mentality that's,

00:37:23.880 um,

00:37:24.860 we're echoing again,

00:37:25.720 that,

00:37:26.760 that Raskolnikov had,

00:37:27.820 then you can vote on dogma.

00:37:29.360 You can vote on everything.

00:37:30.160 You can expand your,

00:37:32.080 your,

00:37:32.360 your,

00:37:32.560 your desire for power just as much as you want.

00:37:35.280 And this,

00:37:35.720 this desire for power,

00:37:36.660 it's not really real power because you're still enslaved to the power.

00:37:40.920 So,

00:37:41.560 I mean,

00:37:42.120 maybe you could still pray for the army.

00:37:45.200 I suppose if the victory that you mean,

00:37:48.120 isn't the victory in,

00:37:50.280 of the institution in the material sense,

00:37:52.340 but rather the victory of what army is supposed to be,

00:37:55.360 you know,

00:37:55.680 protecting,

00:37:56.220 um,

00:37:58.140 the organic state,

00:37:59.380 uh,

00:38:00.780 from their own passion to rule.

00:38:02.760 But the point is that you were very,

00:38:05.600 very correct with the whole Raskolnikov thing.

00:38:07.820 It was really,

00:38:08.520 really enlightening.

00:38:09.500 And I just want to thank you for doing that lecture.

00:38:13.500 Yeah.

00:38:13.940 I'm going to,

00:38:14.140 I'm going to get an earphone.

00:38:15.080 So it doesn't,

00:38:15.580 uh,

00:38:15.980 uh,

00:38:16.340 echo anymore.

00:38:17.260 Um,

00:38:18.320 I,

00:38:18.680 um,

00:38:19.360 yeah,

00:38:19.500 that was my,

00:38:19.980 the entire book is the slow decay of Raskolnikov's,

00:38:23.980 uh,

00:38:24.240 mentality.

00:38:26.360 Quite natural law.

00:38:29.500 That's,

00:38:30.180 that's a war with natural law.

00:38:31.440 Eventually you're going to collapse.

00:38:33.880 As well as society.

00:38:36.340 Um,

00:38:37.580 the exceptions are like someone like,

00:38:38.840 and he mentioned Napoleon.

00:38:40.640 Napoleon's a great hero,

00:38:41.960 but,

00:38:42.700 and he killed all these people, 0.59

00:38:44.040 civilians as well as soldiers.

00:38:46.320 All those people and be a hero. 1.00

00:38:48.200 I can't kill this one awful woman. 1.00

00:38:51.060 It doesn't make any sense. 0.99

00:38:53.440 Difference really there is that Napoleon had the power,

00:38:56.840 um,

00:38:58.020 any,

00:38:58.520 any possible,

00:38:59.900 other than military defeat,

00:39:01.280 uh,

00:39:01.940 any possible consequences of his actions.

00:39:03.600 His consequences of his actions wasn't just his own internal state,

00:39:06.140 which collapsed.

00:39:07.060 Also the fact that the government was,

00:39:08.400 was after him the whole time was putting him under great pressure.

00:39:11.700 I,

00:39:12.000 these as well.

00:39:12.960 But one of the things that,

00:39:13.800 that completely blew my mind.

00:39:15.120 And when I was in college,

00:39:16.420 um,

00:39:16.840 I think it was my sophomore year is when I,

00:39:19.240 I discovered that,

00:39:20.200 um,

00:39:20.520 middle ages in the ancient world didn't pass laws.

00:39:27.580 Um,

00:39:30.080 they,

00:39:30.320 they clarify them topic of my dissertation laws are nothing more than the

00:39:36.500 most nations of,

00:39:41.120 um,

00:39:42.240 our own consciousness and,

00:39:43.320 and,

00:39:43.580 and the natural law.

00:39:44.500 You don't pass laws.

00:39:45.560 You don't make laws clarify what was already there.

00:39:48.700 Long time for,

00:39:50.960 to wrap my brain around that.

00:39:54.340 Yeah.

00:39:54.840 And,

00:39:55.040 uh,

00:39:55.340 over my,

00:39:55.760 sorry,

00:39:57.280 I interrupted you.

00:39:58.080 No,

00:39:58.240 that's right.

00:39:58.500 That was just,

00:39:59.120 that was the first time I,

00:40:00.100 that was my,

00:40:00.760 in the process of changing positive view that,

00:40:03.460 you know,

00:40:03.540 you go to Congress and you pass laws.

00:40:05.840 It wouldn't make any sense in the classical or the,

00:40:07.920 or the medieval worlds.

00:40:08.780 That was a light bulb over my head for the first time.

00:40:14.280 Yeah.

00:40:14.780 Yeah,

00:40:14.960 exactly.

00:40:16.460 I think that this is just,

00:40:17.800 you know,

00:40:19.220 I think this is just an imperative to,

00:40:22.360 for our listeners to understand is that it's not,

00:40:25.440 you know,

00:40:25.920 I mean,

00:40:26.220 this is the thing.

00:40:27.120 I mean,

00:40:27.340 just whenever you think about law,

00:40:29.020 think about law in the sense of like the laws of physics,

00:40:32.160 you know?

00:40:32.340 So,

00:40:32.480 I mean,

00:40:32.620 if a scientist publishes a paper that says,

00:40:34.780 well,

00:40:34.980 you know,

00:40:35.260 I mean,

00:40:36.140 okay,

00:40:36.420 thermodynamics,

00:40:37.240 you know,

00:40:37.400 these,

00:40:37.560 these don't,

00:40:38.000 these aren't real.

00:40:39.220 I mean,

00:40:39.880 and he tries to use these augmented principles to set a rocket into space.

00:40:44.460 I mean,

00:40:44.680 it's not going to work.

00:40:45.400 You know,

00:40:47.140 I mean,

00:40:47.420 if he starts to boil water on the principle on,

00:40:50.200 you know,

00:40:50.340 on these,

00:40:50.640 these,

00:40:50.960 these updated laws,

00:40:51.820 I mean,

00:40:51.960 it's not going to work.

00:40:53.460 And so in the same sense,

00:40:54.720 we have to understand that the political life is,

00:40:57.140 is,

00:40:57.280 is the same way.

00:40:58.280 I mean,

00:40:58.640 it's based on certain principles and laws that are inherent to the nature of

00:41:02.680 man,

00:41:03.160 to his anthropology,

00:41:04.780 but also to,

00:41:05.740 you know,

00:41:06.740 the world around him,

00:41:07.660 how he interacts with it and how he interacts with the,

00:41:10.740 with other men.

00:41:11.740 And so,

00:41:12.280 I mean,

00:41:12.440 when you,

00:41:12.900 when you try to,

00:41:13.940 you know,

00:41:14.200 enforce laws,

00:41:15.480 which are unjust,

00:41:17.140 I mean,

00:41:17.940 you know,

00:41:18.320 they don't work.

00:41:19.200 And in fact,

00:41:19.740 rather than not working,

00:41:21.600 they,

00:41:21.940 they create misery,

00:41:22.760 they create suffering.

00:41:25.020 I mean,

00:41:25.280 I mean,

00:41:26.040 this is what usury is all about really.

00:41:28.120 I mean,

00:41:28.280 because you,

00:41:28.600 you don't find usury in nature.

00:41:31.180 Like if you walk,

00:41:31.880 I mean,

00:41:32.000 if you leave money at a table and then you walk back a year later,

00:41:35.100 it doesn't increase by 2%.

00:41:36.680 There's not,

00:41:38.200 there's not,

00:41:38.520 you know,

00:41:38.680 2% more volume of gold there.

00:41:43.140 That's not how it works.

00:41:44.740 And I mean,

00:41:45.160 and this is the thing.

00:41:45.960 I mean,

00:41:46.280 we did these,

00:41:47.660 this conditioning of secularism of,

00:41:49.640 of like these usurious ideas,

00:41:51.840 these nominalist philosophy is just so deep in the culture.

00:41:55.260 I mean,

00:41:55.720 it's,

00:41:56.200 it's,

00:41:56.620 it's literally imbibed at the tit.

00:41:58.820 And I mean,

00:41:59.180 people,

00:42:00.500 it astonishes me that even among,

00:42:03.120 among,

00:42:03.640 you know,

00:42:04.060 what we would,

00:42:04.560 what you would imagine people who would know better,

00:42:07.080 that they have just, 0.99

00:42:08.180 they have no fucking clue. 0.99

00:42:09.720 Yeah. 1.00

00:42:10.160 I mean,

00:42:10.480 if we take the,

00:42:11.160 I mean,

00:42:11.320 the example with the user again,

00:42:13.140 and the,

00:42:14.260 the,

00:42:14.680 the whole scientific argument,

00:42:17.260 I mean,

00:42:17.520 there is a law in physics that say that we can't just create energy out of nowhere.

00:42:21.560 I mean,

00:42:21.740 it just changes shapes,

00:42:23.360 right?

00:42:23.920 So if you,

00:42:25.020 if you do usury,

00:42:26.580 where does that money come from?

00:42:27.840 And it's gotta be transformed from something into liquid currency.

00:42:33.260 And then you have to,

00:42:34.940 to pay it back.

00:42:35.620 So you are literally destroying something because you want to change it into shekels. 0.94

00:42:42.080 And then you just pay the shekel back to the merchant.

00:42:45.480 So,

00:42:46.300 I mean,

00:42:46.580 you can also be a bit worried when people say that we are always getting richer.

00:42:51.200 We're always having this economic growth.

00:42:53.060 I mean,

00:42:53.220 where's this economic growth coming from?

00:42:54.900 I mean,

00:42:55.300 we can see how our molds are being perverted.

00:42:57.040 We can see how the environment is being corrupted.

00:42:59.980 We can see how our basic society is basically just dissolving into some random,

00:43:07.420 I want to do whatever I want filth.

00:43:10.900 Well,

00:43:11.240 but this is all part of the plan.

00:43:12.280 And we've discussed this before.

00:43:13.960 At least we're rich.

00:43:14.660 At least we're rich.

00:43:14.680 At least we're rich.

00:43:15.060 At least we have shekels.

00:43:15.880 You know,

00:43:16.540 we discussed this before.

00:43:17.380 I mean,

00:43:17.520 this is the,

00:43:17.920 the,

00:43:18.440 with currency,

00:43:19.260 I mean,

00:43:19.480 it's,

00:43:19.960 it's the reduction of all of civilization of man was the economic interaction to the,

00:43:25.100 the,

00:43:25.420 this formless matter,

00:43:26.880 the iron soft,

00:43:28.160 the,

00:43:28.720 the malleable,

00:43:30.700 you know,

00:43:31.380 on,

00:43:31.960 you know,

00:43:32.640 basic.

00:43:33.520 The prima materia.

00:43:34.360 Exactly.

00:43:34.900 Flux.

00:43:35.480 Flux,

00:43:35.980 precisely.

00:43:36.780 So that they can impose whatever they want on it.

00:43:38.780 And I mean,

00:43:39.160 with currency,

00:43:39.680 we see this very same thing.

00:43:40.960 I mean,

00:43:41.660 even the,

00:43:42.380 the notion of gold as the stand in for liquid currency,

00:43:45.880 this is like actually an innovation.

00:43:48.640 If you go back to,

00:43:49.840 to ancient Germanic society and you look at the rune for liquid currency,

00:43:55.100 it's also the same rune for cows,

00:43:57.680 for cattle,

00:43:58.540 the oryx.

00:44:00.040 Fahu. 0.94

00:44:01.780 It kind of makes sense.

00:44:02.680 I mean,

00:44:02.820 you can,

00:44:02.960 you can move around cattle.

00:44:04.460 You can't move around a house.

00:44:05.100 Cattle makes sense.

00:44:05.600 I mean,

00:44:05.740 cattle has very tangible value.

00:44:08.700 I mean,

00:44:08.860 cows give milk.

00:44:09.900 They're tasty.

00:44:10.600 You could move them around from one place to another.

00:44:12.720 It is liquid currency.

00:44:14.460 Plus it's directly made by God.

00:44:17.940 I mean,

00:44:18.200 it's an animal.

00:44:18.880 It has life.

00:44:20.100 So it is animated or something.

00:44:24.060 Right.

00:44:24.480 And I mean,

00:44:24.720 this is one of the,

00:44:25.360 one of the big rules of slaves.

00:44:27.660 I mean,

00:44:27.840 in the ancient world is that slaves were kind of the,

00:44:30.500 the ultimate like form of liquid currency.

00:44:32.640 I mean,

00:44:33.320 because slavery is by definition surplus labor.

00:44:38.280 Yeah.

00:44:38.800 I mean,

00:44:39.180 then you can use for whatever you want.

00:44:41.820 Plus you can view it as it's,

00:44:43.460 it's a body,

00:44:44.760 right?

00:44:44.920 It's a body.

00:44:45.580 So it is,

00:44:46.920 uh,

00:44:48.020 in the ancient castle,

00:44:48.680 it's,

00:44:48.960 it's like the,

00:44:49.480 the best moving cattle,

00:44:50.740 so to speak.

00:44:51.740 Right.

00:44:52.200 Precisely.

00:44:52.860 But that's the thing is with this,

00:44:54.260 with this currency,

00:44:54.840 we can see the degeneration where,

00:44:57.000 you know,

00:44:57.240 we're moving to where,

00:44:58.200 with how does quantitative easing work?

00:45:00.460 How is it possible that the federal reserve is able to print billions of

00:45:06.660 dollars of currency and inject it into the market?

00:45:08.580 Where does this money come from?

00:45:10.860 Is it based on real capital on,

00:45:13.840 on goods and services,

00:45:14.900 things that are physical,

00:45:16.560 that exist,

00:45:17.280 that,

00:45:17.540 that provide value?

00:45:18.900 I mean,

00:45:19.160 it's just made up. 1.00

00:45:20.120 They just make the shit up, 1.00

00:45:21.340 you know, 1.00

00:45:21.820 and then,

00:45:22.400 and this is the thing.

00:45:23.840 We're,

00:45:24.040 we're moving to higher and higher and higher levels of extract,

00:45:26.980 of abstraction.

00:45:28.140 I mean,

00:45:28.400 so we move from,

00:45:29.200 um,

00:45:30.200 you know,

00:45:30.460 go from,

00:45:32.280 from a barter economy to,

00:45:33.760 to gold as a stand for currency.

00:45:36.080 And I mean,

00:45:36.700 certainly we,

00:45:38.660 uh,

00:45:39.800 father,

00:45:40.260 I mean,

00:45:40.380 we can,

00:45:40.580 we can talk about,

00:45:41.260 you know,

00:45:41.420 that the,

00:45:41.940 the Jews,

00:45:42.620 I mean,

00:45:42.780 are famous,

00:45:43.360 uh,

00:45:43.760 the oligarchs are famous for having monopoly on world gold supply.

00:45:47.060 And that's one of the big reasons that they promoted,

00:45:48.960 uh,

00:45:49.740 free market Austrian economics in the 18th and 19th century,

00:45:52.300 these kind of gold backed currencies is because they had controlling interest in the

00:45:55.580 gold reserves.

00:45:58.200 Well,

00:45:58.620 I'm happy that you mentioned the,

00:45:59.620 the unsauf,

00:46:00.320 uh,

00:46:01.180 because this really is the root of this Lockean nominalism.

00:46:04.940 Uh,

00:46:05.480 I think the big,

00:46:06.280 the thing that made Western society so revolutionary,

00:46:09.600 uh,

00:46:11.040 other intellectual societies in the past,

00:46:12.560 we have Rome and ancient China,

00:46:13.800 that,

00:46:15.900 that,

00:46:15.920 that the West has today.

00:46:17.260 Uh,

00:46:17.760 the idea that,

00:46:20.600 that,

00:46:20.900 um,

00:46:21.680 everything external to us is dead.

00:46:23.880 All elite has a right to,

00:46:25.400 to create reality.

00:46:29.480 Uh,

00:46:29.960 and that,

00:46:30.380 and that,

00:46:30.400 and that,

00:46:30.420 and that,

00:46:30.440 and that,

00:46:30.460 and that comes from the,

00:46:31.340 the Kabbalah that comes,

00:46:32.300 that's where missionary comes from.

00:46:35.260 But,

00:46:35.680 um,

00:46:35.940 and that's what makes this society radically different from everybody else.

00:46:39.240 Why?

00:46:39.680 You would technology and industrialization and everything else that that it has to exist in order for this in order for those things to take place.

00:46:46.380 And this is why ancient China never developed cell phones.

00:46:50.020 Concept of the universe.

00:46:51.080 But,

00:46:52.040 but the,

00:46:52.460 the connection,

00:46:53.080 the origin state is simply in the most abstract way you could say is to be based on natural law.

00:46:59.040 If there are objective laws of human nature,

00:47:02.800 and ethics and politics,

00:47:04.500 that has to have an origin.

00:47:06.360 Origin can only be God,

00:47:07.680 the creator.

00:47:08.220 There's only place it can come from.

00:47:10.060 Your other alternative,

00:47:11.660 positivist idea that,

00:47:13.180 that whoever has power,

00:47:17.320 that's really the only other alternative.

00:47:20.200 Yeah.

00:47:20.280 So,

00:47:20.960 so the issue is,

00:47:21.740 and the conclusion of all this,

00:47:22.740 that that's the connection between the state and church is that laws corresponding to natural law in some general sense is a recognition of God's presence.

00:47:36.100 That's,

00:47:36.700 that's the connection in the most abstract way.

00:47:38.980 But,

00:47:40.280 the concept of Raskolnikov is the same thing.

00:47:42.720 When you violate natural law,

00:47:45.260 consequences,

00:47:46.860 no one,

00:47:47.280 no one in America denies that the country is falling apart.

00:47:50.280 love interrelation between the sexes,

00:47:55.760 our views of the world,

00:47:57.620 morals,

00:47:58.100 disunity,

00:47:59.540 mental illness is everywhere.

00:48:03.460 Gated,

00:48:04.220 this system are separating themselves from it.

00:48:07.920 All over the world,

00:48:09.060 they're living in gated communities,

00:48:10.640 only marry each other, 0.60

00:48:12.020 not socialized with,

00:48:13.000 with outsiders.

00:48:15.220 They're,

00:48:15.460 they're places of retreat are getting smaller and smaller and smaller.

00:48:17.960 Yeah.

00:48:21.520 Raskolnikov,

00:48:21.960 he was this one guy who did,

00:48:23.000 who was a nobody,

00:48:24.480 aren't nobodies,

00:48:25.680 but they're going to end up in the same position of Raskolnikov eventually,

00:48:28.660 because there's only so many years that they can hide before their society falls apart entirely.

00:48:32.680 This is what happens.

00:48:33.940 The law is,

00:48:34.780 is ignored.

00:48:35.440 Right.

00:48:39.820 So,

00:48:40.440 I wanted to talk about a little bit,

00:48:42.240 we're getting to the end of the first hour,

00:48:43.660 so,

00:48:44.680 let's let discuss,

00:48:45.340 discussions of Raskolnikov.

00:48:46.440 So,

00:48:47.040 I wanted to get to the,

00:48:47.820 to the point of,

00:48:48.640 of,

00:48:49.340 of symphony,

00:48:50.860 and,

00:48:51.320 and,

00:48:52.080 um,

00:48:53.100 the,

00:48:53.620 the kind of,

00:48:54.240 uh,

00:48:54.960 Eastern Roman,

00:48:56.280 um,

00:48:56.940 understanding of the,

00:48:58.440 and actualization of the relationship between the church and the state.

00:49:00.960 And we touched on this already a little bit,

00:49:02.380 you know,

00:49:03.720 and I read your article and you talked about,

00:49:06.040 um,

00:49:06.460 the council of Chalcedon.

00:49:08.340 And for those of us,

00:49:09.320 those of our listeners who are not familiar,

00:49:10.580 the council of Chalcedon defined that Christ had two natures,

00:49:14.480 human and divine in a hypostatic union,

00:49:17.800 meaning that he possessed the full,

00:49:20.160 the fullness of both without confusion or commingling or,

00:49:24.640 or mixing or,

00:49:25.520 or any destruction.

00:49:26.220 He was both man and God at the same time,

00:49:28.960 uh,

00:49:29.860 in,

00:49:30.420 in a full sense of both of those concepts.

00:49:32.760 And so for,

00:49:33.880 I,

00:49:34.420 if you're an attentive listener of this podcast,

00:49:36.220 you'll know that Jesus Christ,

00:49:38.360 uh,

00:49:38.740 for Christians,

00:49:39.980 he is God,

00:49:40.720 but he's specifically,

00:49:41.380 he's the,

00:49:42.080 the,

00:49:42.440 the word of God or the logos,

00:49:44.220 the cosmic order of God.

00:49:45.560 So he's the,

00:49:46.080 the,

00:49:46.500 the foundational principle by which all of heaven and earth were made and by which its order is derived.

00:49:53.660 And so,

00:49:54.360 I mean,

00:49:54.820 um,

00:49:55.400 my,

00:49:55.800 the,

00:49:56.920 I think as you were saying,

00:49:57.900 you know,

00:49:58.120 Dr. Johnson,

00:49:58.480 the,

00:49:58.680 the importance of the council of Chalcedon,

00:49:59.860 the Chalcedon is that it,

00:50:01.180 it defines,

00:50:02.180 um,

00:50:03.260 kind of this ultimate anthropology,

00:50:04.700 you know,

00:50:05.400 for the relationship between man and divinity through their interaction,

00:50:08.860 uh,

00:50:09.740 in,

00:50:10.020 in Jesus Christ.

00:50:11.440 And as that extends to the church,

00:50:13.300 which is talked about as the body of Christ.

00:50:15.080 But if you're also a potential listener of the show,

00:50:17.140 you know,

00:50:17.500 that the nation is in a sense,

00:50:18.800 and it's an extended family.

00:50:20.340 It's,

00:50:20.980 it's the body of the people.

00:50:23.300 It forms,

00:50:24.220 uh,

00:50:24.420 uh,

00:50:24.920 an organism in and of itself.

00:50:27.140 And so there's,

00:50:28.000 uh,

00:50:28.200 the,

00:50:28.780 my,

00:50:29.100 symphonia is essentially the,

00:50:30.960 the,

00:50:31.500 the,

00:50:33.420 the,

00:50:33.860 interplay between these two elements.

00:50:37.500 So I would give it to you to Father Johnson,

00:50:40.500 because,

00:50:40.860 um,

00:50:41.300 you know,

00:50:41.560 you,

00:50:41.820 you,

00:50:42.140 you're much more educated in this than I,

00:50:43.520 but would you care to just kind of explain to us how the church fathers and how,

00:50:49.080 uh,

00:50:49.640 viewed symphony and how it was actualized in Eastern Rome or Byzantium?

00:50:54.340 Um,

00:50:56.180 and,

00:50:56.580 you know,

00:50:57.400 it basically substantiate for us,

00:50:59.160 you know,

00:50:59.340 is,

00:50:59.660 is this the traditional teaching for Orthodox Christians?

00:51:02.140 Is this what we ought to be supporting?

00:51:03.980 You know,

00:51:04.120 is this like the highest ideal for how we ought to organize our societies,

00:51:07.620 um,

00:51:09.220 as traditional Christians?

00:51:11.540 Well,

00:51:11.960 when you first come across church history,

00:51:13.980 the people reading this for the first time,

00:51:15.560 they read about the heresies of the first,

00:51:17.220 you know,

00:51:17.400 700 years of the church.

00:51:19.200 You know,

00:51:19.760 this sounds so,

00:51:20.660 uh,

00:51:21.000 picky.

00:51:21.320 up over these things.

00:51:26.000 Even,

00:51:26.480 you know,

00:51:26.700 the ecumenical,

00:51:27.440 you know,

00:51:27.620 the churches to this day,

00:51:28.960 they're rejecting all this. 1.00

00:51:29.960 They were so ignorant, 1.00

00:51:30.600 they would fight over these minor quibbling things. 1.00

00:51:34.660 Not.

00:51:35.960 Heresies tore the,

00:51:37.220 the higher apart was right to the heart of the relationship between,

00:51:43.340 um,

00:51:44.680 our humanity and spiritual lives.

00:51:47.100 It's important to remember that,

00:51:50.620 that the state,

00:51:51.540 the secular.

00:51:54.600 Ordered every heresy that came around.

00:51:58.040 Because when you absorb humanity into divinity,

00:52:02.080 right?

00:52:02.340 The two radically.

00:52:04.360 As in both cases,

00:52:06.260 um,

00:52:06.580 the physical has,

00:52:07.480 as,

00:52:07.880 has nothing over it.

00:52:09.440 Physical is,

00:52:10.360 uh,

00:52:10.540 humanity is,

00:52:11.240 is either enslaved to the,

00:52:12.540 to the spiritual or it doesn't have to listen to anyone but itself.

00:52:15.640 Always very political as well.

00:52:20.660 And this is why people think that both this stuff on,

00:52:24.520 on the population,

00:52:25.940 and that's where orthodoxy came from.

00:52:27.660 Realize that every heresy was initially supported by emperors.

00:52:34.980 Heresies,

00:52:35.740 obstetism,

00:52:36.960 um,

00:52:37.540 an idea that,

00:52:38.340 that my nature really had been absorbed now.

00:52:41.500 Right to the heart of what it is to be a human being.

00:52:47.360 There weren't academic quibbles.

00:52:52.760 Yeah,

00:52:52.940 exactly.

00:52:54.520 But the,

00:52:54.940 because of the Chalcedon was this.

00:52:57.420 Just that,

00:52:57.980 um,

00:52:59.400 human beings

00:53:00.120 from divinity.

00:53:03.200 Obviously true.

00:53:04.520 But we have our own will.

00:53:06.720 Well,

00:53:07.460 that means,

00:53:08.540 when,

00:53:09.780 on the church,

00:53:10.600 we're voluntarily cooperating.

00:53:13.880 Christ was constituted.

00:53:14.920 This is why this was so important.

00:53:16.980 Christ was constituted where it had its human nature,

00:53:19.280 wasn't forcibly,

00:53:20.980 uh,

00:53:22.200 imposed on by divinity.

00:53:24.420 Well,

00:53:25.460 uh,

00:53:25.960 and its own priorities.

00:53:28.140 Person,

00:53:29.320 uh,

00:53:29.860 voluntarily cooperated with,

00:53:33.120 by Chalcedon was so important.

00:53:34.820 Social life,

00:53:38.200 uh,

00:53:38.960 is free.

00:53:40.100 Certainly not isolated from the,

00:53:41.620 from the spiritual life,

00:53:42.620 but it is free to do as it pleases.

00:53:45.460 Of course,

00:53:45.900 anyone to come to the church.

00:53:49.020 Uh,

00:53:49.520 because as I just said,

00:53:51.600 they are bound by the same eternal law.

00:53:55.380 That doesn't mean church and state are the same.

00:53:58.300 Their own priorities,

00:53:59.340 their own way of doing things,

00:54:00.360 but they're still bound in one unit,

00:54:02.360 the society.

00:54:02.880 The origin of that is the eternal law,

00:54:05.240 which is,

00:54:05.560 which is God's presence.

00:54:07.600 Right.

00:54:07.700 That's why I just found so important.

00:54:09.880 Right.

00:54:10.420 So,

00:54:10.780 uh,

00:54:11.600 okay.

00:54:12.100 If,

00:54:12.260 if I understand correctly,

00:54:13.420 uh,

00:54:13.700 you cut out a bit as well,

00:54:14.880 but,

00:54:15.200 uh,

00:54:15.660 what you're saying is that

00:54:16.840 Chalcedon tells us that

00:54:19.940 everything has a meaning

00:54:22.360 because Christ was both man and God,

00:54:25.480 and not some sort of dualistic,

00:54:28.480 you know,

00:54:29.540 mamba yamba there.

00:54:30.640 So,

00:54:31.200 first of all,

00:54:31.640 everything has a meaning.

00:54:33.560 It has a free will,

00:54:34.880 but we have to choose consciously to actually follow this

00:54:39.160 so we can be true to our nature.

00:54:42.020 And when we don't do this,

00:54:44.200 we basically degenerate into what we have now,

00:54:47.820 this,

00:54:48.020 this nominalist Masonic,

00:54:49.520 I want to do whatever I want.

00:54:51.360 Uh, 1.00

00:54:51.600 fuck you, 1.00

00:54:52.020 mama, 1.00

00:54:52.220 that mentality,

00:54:53.240 essentially.

00:54:53.960 So man becomes a sort of antichrist when he doesn't do this,

00:55:00.820 because what he's saying is that the meaning of this world comes from what I say it is.

00:55:06.500 I am the source of meaning in the world,

00:55:08.300 not God.

00:55:09.800 So that is essentially Luciferian.

00:55:13.580 And when you say that,

00:55:15.340 uh,

00:55:15.840 things that Jesus was just a man,

00:55:17.880 he wasn't God or that it was a sort of opposition between them,

00:55:20.700 or it was,

00:55:21.160 you know,

00:55:21.320 half,

00:55:21.740 half relationship,

00:55:23.060 then you striking at the essence of all of this,

00:55:25.440 because reality is a theocracy.

00:55:32.180 You're absolutely correct.

00:55:34.040 Uh,

00:55:34.340 the reason that the emperors,

00:55:38.160 same reason why it was in the interest of,

00:55:40.640 of Henry VIII to secularize the monasteries.

00:55:47.880 Those him plus the fact it made him far wealthier.

00:55:54.000 Ologarch loyal to him.

00:55:56.080 States everywhere have tried to find either,

00:55:58.340 either the monophysite or the Aryan,

00:55:59.880 uh,

00:56:00.620 heresy in one form or another,

00:56:01.920 uh,

00:56:03.560 because otherwise the church is free and independent,

00:56:06.780 although connected with,

00:56:08.380 with,

00:56:08.860 uh,

00:56:09.020 with the civil society,

00:56:10.440 always been in the state's interest.

00:56:11.900 Um,

00:56:15.740 and have those two natures having their own will,

00:56:18.100 which is essential.

00:56:19.700 Right after Shal-Sadan, 0.92

00:56:21.020 there was an attempt to reconcile the two sides.

00:56:24.500 Well,

00:56:24.980 there's,

00:56:25.300 there's only one will,

00:56:26.060 two natures,

00:56:26.440 but one will.

00:56:28.440 Professor made himself very famous by saying,

00:56:30.060 no,

00:56:30.480 that doesn't even make sense.

00:56:32.180 Will is connected to nature.

00:56:35.400 Will without action.

00:56:38.400 Oh,

00:56:38.880 this is that there,

00:56:39.760 you could cooperate that way.

00:56:40.840 Uh,

00:56:41.720 it has to be free cooperation.

00:56:44.260 Right.

00:56:44.780 Right.

00:56:45.120 So,

00:56:45.620 so,

00:56:46.460 uh,

00:56:46.700 the,

00:56:46.920 the,

00:56:47.260 the divine will is the,

00:56:49.400 the goal that is supposed to achieve,

00:56:51.280 you could say,

00:56:51.720 while the human will is choosing to do it or not to do it.

00:56:55.760 So for example,

00:56:56.280 if we take where Christ is,

00:56:58.520 is praying in the garden of his enemy,

00:57:00.360 this is an expression of the human will,

00:57:01.960 because you acknowledge that he can choose not to do it.

00:57:06.240 I mean,

00:57:06.360 he's praying that he might be spared it,

00:57:09.800 while at the same time,

00:57:10.840 he is,

00:57:11.680 uh,

00:57:12.660 submitting to the divine will by saying,

00:57:15.980 if this is your will,

00:57:16.840 I will do it anyway.

00:57:18.400 That's a very well stated.

00:57:19.700 And he was frightened.

00:57:21.460 Yes,

00:57:21.660 exactly.

00:57:22.480 So that proves that these heresies is just gobbledook.

00:57:27.680 But all the church fathers were saying opposition to them.

00:57:30.740 But I think I separate,

00:57:31.800 I went away from your point,

00:57:33.260 which was,

00:57:34.840 oh,

00:57:35.780 you know,

00:57:35.940 or a Nestorian or an Aryan rated,

00:57:38.720 uh,

00:57:39.380 heaven from earth.

00:57:41.020 Case meaning in the outside world,

00:57:43.720 and especially the physical world is what I say it is.

00:57:47.140 Reality is what a tiny elite says it is.

00:57:50.160 Or the,

00:57:50.760 or the rabbinical or whatever it is.

00:57:53.000 So that's what you get when you reject Chalcedon,

00:57:56.340 to accept Nestorianism or Aryanism,

00:57:58.300 because those two heresies are defined by the radical separation between divine and human nature or heaven and earth.

00:58:04.720 And that's why these were not academic quibbles were absolutely essential issues.

00:58:13.120 Yeah,

00:58:13.680 I mean,

00:58:13.940 precisely.

00:58:14.440 And I think that earlier on,

00:58:16.520 you were talking about,

00:58:18.140 you know,

00:58:18.680 basically with man,

00:58:20.440 you know,

00:58:20.720 rejecting,

00:58:21.500 um,

00:58:22.120 you know,

00:58:22.300 natural law and kind of setting up his own ego as the arbiter of,

00:58:26.000 you know,

00:58:26.500 what is real.

00:58:27.640 Um,

00:58:28.360 and I mean,

00:58:28.640 this,

00:58:28.940 this,

00:58:29.360 this is,

00:58:29.940 sorry,

00:58:30.380 what's that?

00:58:31.360 That,

00:58:31.600 that kind of,

00:58:32.520 yes,

00:58:32.820 one thing that's,

00:58:33.680 that's kind of interesting as well.

00:58:36.100 I mean,

00:58:36.320 what happened in the garden of Eden,

00:58:38.280 right?

00:58:38.480 What did the snake say?

00:58:39.580 He said,

00:58:40.200 you shall be like God.

00:58:41.820 Now,

00:58:42.180 I mean,

00:58:42.640 what does that mean in reality?

00:58:44.220 It means that you shall be the ones who give meaning to,

00:58:48.180 to the creation,

00:58:50.520 the,

00:58:50.640 the,

00:58:50.940 the world reality.

00:58:51.820 You are the one that will give meaning to reality.

00:58:54.060 You will become like God.

00:58:55.060 That's what the snake is saying.

00:58:56.500 So you will have knowledge of good and evil.

00:58:59.280 And,

00:58:59.560 and what the,

00:59:00.660 what they're referring to there,

00:59:02.060 what the serpent is referring to,

00:59:03.680 is you will define for yourself what is good and what is evil.

00:59:09.140 Exactly.

00:59:09.640 Exactly.

00:59:10.180 So they,

00:59:10.900 they take away the center from God and put it on man. 0.72

00:59:14.300 They idolize man.

00:59:15.400 They idolize themselves and they're becoming enslaved to the desire for power.

00:59:20.900 That's correct.

00:59:23.380 That's why we're in the condition we're in.

00:59:25.760 Yeah.

00:59:26.160 Anyway,

00:59:26.580 I interrupted you,

00:59:27.200 Florian.

00:59:27.440 Go ahead.

00:59:27.720 Yeah,

00:59:28.040 well,

00:59:28.160 exactly.

00:59:28.420 And what I was going to say is that this is,

00:59:30.120 I mean,

00:59:30.320 this is what idolatry is all about.

00:59:32.140 I mean,

00:59:32.520 idolatry is not,

00:59:34.060 I mean,

00:59:34.240 in a sense,

00:59:34.680 it is worshiping the creation as if it were God.

00:59:36.960 But I think in a more fundamental level,

00:59:38.700 it's placing oneself as God.

00:59:42.200 You know,

00:59:42.380 the man's man and his ego becomes the arbiter of what is proper to the domain of the logos of the cosmic order.

00:59:49.220 And so you enthrone yourself as God.

00:59:52.220 And this is what the abomination of the desolation is in the temple is.

00:59:56.780 It's not so much that a foreign God is being introduced in the sense that it's a created image.

01:00:02.180 It's that the very priests and the builders of the temple who ought to know better and who are in charge of stewarding it are erecting in the place of the living God something of their own creation in their own image that suits their own purposes.

01:00:15.180 Yeah.

01:00:15.500 Yeah.

01:00:16.220 And you can even say that the same thing can be said about paganism.

01:00:22.280 Either you are idolizing just a small part of creation and saying the small part of creation will give meaning to the whole.

01:00:31.340 Or you are literally worshiping demons.

01:00:33.700 But in both areas,

01:00:35.620 you're still placing that which gives meaning in something lesser. 0.95

01:00:41.980 So you're idolizing it and that's retarded. 1.00

01:00:46.600 Well, that's why I came to a realization long ago that what we call today libertarianism or what we used to call classical liberalism is in fact Luciferian in that it is self-worship.

01:01:02.160 It is a creation of an idol out of the individual I, the ego.

01:01:08.220 And none of this would be possible of course without the philosophical stance of nominalism as we've said before.

01:01:18.100 And, you know,

01:01:18.860 something occurred to me and I looked it up.

01:01:22.820 The,

01:01:23.340 the,

01:01:23.720 the sort of the,

01:01:24.780 the,

01:01:25.580 the founder of anomalous school,

01:01:27.660 at least in the West is,

01:01:30.500 was William of Ockham who was of course English.

01:01:35.180 So once again,

01:01:37.020 the eternal Anglo. 0.90

01:01:38.400 Yes.

01:01:39.820 And yeah.

01:01:40.940 And I mean,

01:01:41.900 even if you say something about,

01:01:43.660 Oh,

01:01:43.860 but we should just follow science because science can tell us what is true.

01:01:49.400 And all this public,

01:01:50.360 what you're doing then is that you're idolizing science and you're saying science will give us an existential meaning in life.

01:01:55.400 And that's no,

01:01:56.600 that that won't happen.

01:01:57.480 I mean,

01:01:58.160 you're still idolizing the creation.

01:02:00.260 I mean,

01:02:00.500 well,

01:02:00.780 yeah, 0.97

01:02:00.940 it's absolutely retarded. 0.98

01:02:02.100 I mean, 0.99

01:02:02.200 you're trying,

01:02:03.280 I mean,

01:02:03.760 you know,

01:02:04.060 you're applying the very,

01:02:06.920 you're applying like techniques downhill to try to deduce what is uphill.

01:02:12.540 I mean,

01:02:12.780 it's,

01:02:13.240 you know.

01:02:13.620 Plus,

01:02:13.860 I mean,

01:02:14.060 what is science?

01:02:15.200 Science can at best teach us how the creation is,

01:02:19.700 how it works,

01:02:20.360 right?

01:02:20.760 So what we do then with science,

01:02:23.060 if we do not have God,

01:02:24.960 because we somehow wants to prove God only through science,

01:02:28.900 then we basically using it as a huge tool to build a machine,

01:02:32.960 a machine that crushes everything,

01:02:36.780 crushes everything the way it's supposed to be.

01:02:39.680 It crushes the organic order and it builds whatever you want instead.

01:02:42.520 So you,

01:02:42.820 then again,

01:02:43.260 you,

01:02:43.420 you have this,

01:02:44.020 this Gnostic,

01:02:44.840 uh,

01:02:45.620 uh,

01:02:46.020 I want to shape everything into whatever I desire.

01:02:48.300 Gobblegook. 0.95

01:02:49.960 I think William,

01:02:50.760 William of Lockeum is a great idea.

01:02:52.680 It's the founder of that school in the modern West with Franciscan from England.

01:02:58.360 You,

01:02:58.960 uh,

01:03:00.120 or if you have any kind of power whatsoever,

01:03:01.520 is that the state rules because of rules.

01:03:04.220 There's no connection between universal meaning and the human mind.

01:03:08.640 We really don't know the truth of the matter,

01:03:10.760 but we obey the church because it's the church.

01:03:13.920 It's the church positivist when it came to that kind of thing.

01:03:15.900 There was no law in the human mind,

01:03:19.680 positivist imposition of power.

01:03:22.040 You could believe that both in terms of the church and the state.

01:03:25.860 As a homilist,

01:03:26.520 you have no choice but to believe that.

01:03:28.180 There's no connection between the human mind.

01:03:29.860 Um,

01:03:31.460 otherwise he'd be talking about universals,

01:03:34.580 which he rejects.

01:03:36.500 Where that's where the decay began in earnest.

01:03:39.800 Wasn't too long after that,

01:03:41.160 that the,

01:03:41.680 the modern world,

01:03:42.500 uh,

01:03:42.980 broke out in the Renaissance.

01:03:44.240 That's,

01:03:44.440 that's,

01:03:44.640 that's an excellent point to bring up.

01:03:47.420 Yeah.

01:03:48.880 I mean,

01:03:49.520 another thing,

01:03:50.340 um,

01:03:51.440 the Bible tells us literally that God is truth.

01:03:55.400 So if,

01:03:56.280 if we're going to use this scientific mentality,

01:03:58.100 science can never 100% prove a theory.

01:04:00.840 I mean,

01:04:00.980 theories are theories,

01:04:02.260 even if they are basically true,

01:04:03.960 they're still theories.

01:04:05.440 So,

01:04:06.260 exactly,

01:04:06.740 exactly.

01:04:07.040 So the theory in and of itself is not the truth,

01:04:09.460 but it hints at the truth.

01:04:11.600 Uh,

01:04:12.020 that's the whole point of science.

01:04:13.360 So if we say that God is truth,

01:04:15.580 and what we're saying is,

01:04:16.920 God is that which the scientific theory,

01:04:20.660 Mill attempts to hint at,

01:04:22.920 uh,

01:04:23.540 and the scientific theory in itself can,

01:04:25.460 can,

01:04:26.160 you know,

01:04:26.600 it can do us a lot of good,

01:04:27.760 but it still needs to be connected to God.

01:04:30.000 And if you just say that the theory is the truth,

01:04:32.780 then what you,

01:04:33.480 what you're saying is that,

01:04:34.820 uh,

01:04:36.000 this will give our meaning in life.

01:04:37.920 And I said that,

01:04:39.340 that that's not what happens.

01:04:40.620 Um,

01:04:40.940 anyway.

01:04:42.440 Yeah.

01:04:43.040 Uh,

01:04:43.440 without metaphysics,

01:04:45.100 physics can only be self-referential.

01:04:47.120 And you,

01:04:47.620 you can,

01:04:47.980 you see that today with a sort of the,

01:04:50.200 the,

01:04:50.480 the ongoing crisis in cosmology and,

01:04:54.580 uh,

01:04:54.840 in the largest scale and smallest scale,

01:04:57.560 um,

01:04:59.100 astrophysics and,

01:05:00.860 uh,

01:05:01.060 and,

01:05:01.420 um,

01:05:02.140 uh,

01:05:02.440 quantum physics and the inability that,

01:05:05.100 uh,

01:05:05.520 that these,

01:05:06.180 these cosmological,

01:05:07.320 cosmological theoretical physicists have in uniting the small and the large,

01:05:12.220 the microcosm and the macrocosm,

01:05:14.260 because they've completely divorced themselves by principle from metaphysical considerations.

01:05:21.420 Except of course,

01:05:22.420 when they invent metaphysical,

01:05:24.720 their own metaphysics in order to,

01:05:27.140 uh,

01:05:27.860 work around the difficulties of their own positions.

01:05:31.340 It's,

01:05:31.820 it's very strange.

01:05:33.920 Yeah.

01:05:34.320 They reject metaphysics,

01:05:35.680 uh,

01:05:36.060 but are always using it themselves.

01:05:38.400 Well,

01:05:38.540 yeah.

01:05:38.760 This is,

01:05:39.260 um,

01:05:39.520 this is something that I think.

01:05:40.220 They got this insane hubris as well.

01:05:41.640 I mean,

01:05:41.780 these,

01:05:41.960 these pop scientists,

01:05:43.680 no,

01:05:43.840 seriously,

01:05:44.260 they are saying,

01:05:45.480 Oh,

01:05:45.680 but these, 1.00

01:05:46.060 these stupid Christ cucks, 1.00

01:05:47.360 they don't know what they're talking about. 1.00

01:05:48.500 I got science.

01:05:49.380 I know exactly what I'm talking about.

01:05:51.100 And I use this very,

01:05:51.940 very pretentious tone.

01:05:53.160 At the same time,

01:05:54.060 as it said,

01:05:54.420 they cut out what they're actually all about.

01:05:57.460 They cut out that the theory in and of itself is not 100% certain.

01:06:02.000 It's not truth itself.

01:06:03.780 And thus you could,

01:06:05.080 I mean,

01:06:05.380 you can say that we are literally deaf and we are literally blind.

01:06:08.580 We don't know the full truth.

01:06:10.100 We can merely try to hint at it and humbly obey it.

01:06:14.280 This is why Thomas Kuhn was so important.

01:06:20.000 Practically in the social sciences,

01:06:21.920 whole thesis was talking about the truth here,

01:06:25.100 talking about an established paradigm,

01:06:27.960 scientific establishment.

01:06:29.460 That's is true.

01:06:30.980 That's how they educate young people coming up in the field.

01:06:34.520 Truth claim.

01:06:35.360 It's just that it is,

01:06:36.060 this is the best we can do right now.

01:06:37.260 If you don't follow it,

01:06:39.120 you're in trouble.

01:06:40.540 So truth claims,

01:06:41.200 even according to him,

01:06:42.640 have gone out the window.

01:06:44.220 It's unless you could defeat what we have now by all this empirical evidence,

01:06:47.760 hard to do.

01:06:49.180 This is what you have to accept.

01:06:50.640 And they impose it on students.

01:06:52.720 So truth claims are our separate issue.

01:06:54.280 And QSY Kuhn kind of gave up the game in a way that made him very famous.

01:07:01.120 Yeah.

01:07:01.720 Well,

01:07:01.860 this is something that's very interesting.

01:07:03.120 I mean,

01:07:04.440 with Jay Dyer,

01:07:06.660 I mean,

01:07:06.820 he has some very excellent,

01:07:08.560 I mean,

01:07:09.080 critiques of Darwinism.

01:07:10.680 And I mean,

01:07:11.260 one of the things that he points out,

01:07:12.620 I mean,

01:07:12.760 very accurately,

01:07:13.900 I mean,

01:07:14.160 is if you believe in Darwinian macro evolution,

01:07:16.880 I mean,

01:07:17.100 you're making a whole bunch of metaphysical truth claims,

01:07:20.060 whether you like it or not.

01:07:22.440 So,

01:07:22.980 I mean,

01:07:23.220 this is the absurdity of the empiricist position.

01:07:26.400 You know,

01:07:26.560 these empirical Darwinists is,

01:07:28.720 you know,

01:07:28.900 you adhere to this,

01:07:31.080 you know,

01:07:31.520 hugely,

01:07:32.500 this broad metaphysical system,

01:07:34.980 but in the same time deny that metaphysics exists.

01:07:37.880 You deny that you're even making metaphysical claims.

01:07:40.600 And I mean,

01:07:40.880 we come back to this.

01:07:41.960 This is the dog that is on fire that turns to the other dog and says,

01:07:46.160 do you smell something?

01:07:47.820 And we say,

01:07:48.540 it's you,

01:07:49.080 you're on fire.

01:07:50.080 No,

01:07:50.560 I'm not.

01:07:51.820 If fire doesn't exist,

01:07:54.060 it's just,

01:07:55.300 it's,

01:07:55.640 it's,

01:07:55.860 it's incredible.

01:07:56.960 I mean,

01:07:57.300 it's incredible.

01:07:59.880 Big difference between science and the scientific establishment.

01:08:03.180 Very,

01:08:03.460 very different things.

01:08:05.720 Scientific establishment are self-interested.

01:08:07.980 Democracy.

01:08:13.560 Yeah.

01:08:15.560 This is out of the question for them.

01:08:16.880 It doesn't matter.

01:08:17.500 It's power.

01:08:19.540 Yeah.

01:08:20.160 I mean,

01:08:20.440 you just,

01:08:20.640 you just look at the organism.

01:08:21.700 I said,

01:08:21.920 I mean,

01:08:22.100 if you don't have a goal of the evolutionary process,

01:08:24.560 it is already set there.

01:08:26.180 Then it's just chaos.

01:08:27.060 It's just all the power.

01:08:29.080 Excellent.

01:08:29.960 All right,

01:08:30.400 gentlemen,

01:08:30.600 we're coming to the end of our first hour.

01:08:32.400 So we've got many very interesting topics to continue discussing when we come back from the break.

01:08:37.500 So to all of our listeners,

01:08:40.160 stay tuned.

01:08:40.900 Lord,

01:08:44.960 I went to church one day for to hear them shout and pray.

01:09:05.160 We're going to hear the preacher plow that gospel plow. 0.97

01:09:08.640 Hold on.

01:09:10.640 Hold on.

01:09:11.640 Hold on.

01:09:12.640 Keep your hand on the plow.

01:09:16.860 You'll ride on.

01:09:18.640 The preacher said,

01:09:20.180 I must repent.

01:09:21.260 So right down the aisle,

01:09:23.160 I will keep your hand on the plow.

01:09:26.100 You'll ride on.

01:09:28.460 Hold on.

01:09:30.800 Hold on.

01:09:33.020 Keep your hand on the plow.

01:09:35.320 You'll ride on.

01:09:36.820 I've never been to heaven and I've been told.

01:09:58.240 It's a first class city in the streets.

01:09:59.880 Keep your hand on the plow.

01:10:02.900 And you'll ride on.

01:10:05.320 Hold on.

01:10:06.820 Hold on.

01:10:07.820 Hold on.

01:10:09.820 Keep your hand on the plow.

01:10:12.220 You'll ride on.

01:10:14.520 Matthew,

01:10:15.220 Mark,

01:10:15.800 Luke,

01:10:16.120 and John.

01:10:16.900 All them props is dead and gone.

01:10:19.220 Keep your hand on the plow.

01:10:21.460 You'll ride on.

01:10:23.840 Hold on.

01:10:26.160 Hold on.

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01:10:55.900 Keep your hand on the plow.

01:10:58.200 And you hold right on

01:10:59.880 Hold on, hold on

01:11:04.740 Keep your hand on the plow

01:11:07.400 And you hold right on

01:11:09.080 Paul and Silas began to shout

01:11:12.040 The jail was open and they walked

01:11:14.100 Keep your hand on the plow

01:11:16.600 And you hold right on

01:11:18.160 Hold on, hold on

01:11:22.940 Keep your hand on the plow

01:11:25.920 And you hold right on

01:11:27.600 There was Peter so nice in me

01:11:48.800 He wouldn't let the Savior wash his feet

01:11:51.100 Keep your hand on the plow

01:11:53.360 And you hold right on

01:11:54.840 Hold on, hold on

01:11:59.640 Keep your hand on the plow

01:12:02.600 And you hold right on

01:12:04.200 Peter grew anxious and he said

01:12:07.220 Wash my feet, my hands, my hands

01:12:09.480 Keep your hand on the plow

01:12:11.780 And you hold right on

01:12:13.240 Hold on, hold on

01:12:18.040 Keep your hand on the plow

01:12:20.920 And you hold right on

01:12:22.840 I got my hand on the gospel plow 0.57

01:12:43.980 I won't take nothing from my journey

01:12:45.820 Now, keep your hand on the plow

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01:13:07.120 And you hold right on

01:13:08.620 Welcome back to Mysterium Fashi's episode 22

01:13:18.160 Church and State part 2

01:13:20.800 Thank you very much for joining us once again

01:13:23.340 Now, so there's many very critical topics to discuss I think

01:13:31.660 now that we've come back from the break

01:13:33.140 So one of the things I wanted to bring to you immediately, you know, Father Johnson

01:13:37.540 is, you know, is there a substantive difference between, you know, theocracy and symphonya?

01:13:43.700 What is the difference, in your opinion, between these two terms?

01:13:45.820 And are they even relevant?

01:13:46.960 I mean, do they really mean anything when they're compared to one another?

01:13:49.660 Well, I think the term theocracy is more a modern slang term

01:13:53.700 It's a negative, almost an insulting term 0.99

01:13:57.180 A theocrat is someone who's ignorant and doesn't realize that God doesn't exist 0.99

01:14:01.400 and wants to impose his religion on everybody 0.99

01:14:03.440 You know, old Russia was a theocracy 0.98

01:14:06.220 There's no question about it

01:14:08.100 Because both church and state were religious institutions

01:14:11.780 Different points of view

01:14:13.660 But they both certainly were

01:14:15.380 There was no secular world in old Russia 0.98

01:14:18.080 There was no secular world in the Middle Ages 0.99

01:14:19.440 There was no secular world in Byzantium 0.99

01:14:21.720 That separate realm, as we've said before, is very new

01:14:25.820 Theocracy simply is a rule of law

01:14:29.120 A rule of God's law

01:14:30.220 In which case, we're talking about natural law as a manifestation of that

01:14:33.640 So, no, there would not be

01:14:36.120 And you're right to say that most Orthodox people 0.99

01:14:38.960 Can't even, even intellectuals

01:14:40.720 Especially intellectuals

01:14:42.000 Can't even define the term

01:14:42.980 Although they use it all the time

01:14:44.040 And the reason I wrote the paper

01:14:47.260 Was because no one is using it correctly

01:14:49.060 And they use it just to mean that church and state cooperate

01:14:53.280 You know, without any detail other than that

01:14:56.940 And so, I don't think there is any difference

01:15:01.800 If you're using the term theocracy in a value-neutral way

01:15:04.880 Yeah, I mean, theocracy isn't a clerocracy

01:15:09.160 I mean, if the clerics rule the state

01:15:12.320 Then you don't even have a theocracy

01:15:14.160 Because that's not the cleric's calling

01:15:15.660 And I mean, that's kind of what people, I think, commonly

01:15:19.060 Mean when they say theocracy

01:15:21.500 They mean that the priest rule and all that stuff

01:15:24.860 Yeah, yeah, that's individuals

01:15:26.020 It's false

01:15:26.400 It would be like a military government just with religious people 0.96

01:15:29.540 They've taken over administrative roles

01:15:32.240 That's absolutely right, yeah

01:15:33.360 Yeah, and that's not what we mean

01:15:35.040 In fact, clerics in Orthodox canon law

01:15:38.180 Can't hold political office

01:15:39.340 And that has everything to do with what symphony really is

01:15:42.520 Yeah, yeah, I think precisely

01:15:45.800 And so, I mean, so I wanted to

01:15:48.040 One of the big things is that

01:15:49.560 I mean, if you talk

01:15:51.620 Most Orthodox people, if you talk to them

01:15:53.360 I mean, they would be incredibly reticent to admit

01:15:56.200 That, well, you know, the teaching of the Church Fathers

01:15:58.520 Is fairly clear

01:15:59.260 That we have an impulse towards

01:16:01.800 You know, a genuine

01:16:04.440 Theocratic, to use it in a value-neutral term

01:16:07.900 Or simplania

01:16:08.540 I mean, a Christian political establishment

01:16:11.740 You know, they want to toe the line

01:16:13.460 And kind of find some way to support

01:16:15.160 You know, liberal democracy

01:16:16.940 And so I just want to make it really explicit and clear

01:16:20.920 I mean, you know, as Orthodox Christians

01:16:23.360 You know, I mean, what is

01:16:25.400 You know, the ideal political situation for us

01:16:28.580 And what is the ideal relationship

01:16:30.240 You know, between church and state

01:16:32.020 That we ought to hope for

01:16:33.880 You know, and

01:16:34.860 Yeah, and I'm just going to go ahead

01:16:37.520 And probably come out of the limit here

01:16:38.620 And say that it's not liberal democracy

01:16:40.280 No, liberal democracy is a heresy

01:16:43.620 It's a rule of passion

01:16:47.020 It's a rule of money

01:16:47.780 That's why it came into existence

01:16:49.640 You know, a republican form of government

01:16:52.900 Is essentially an oligarchy

01:16:54.440 You know, it comes from ancient

01:16:56.240 Oh, sorry, it comes from Renaissance 1.00

01:16:58.620 Florence and Venice

01:17:00.640 As an oligarchy

01:17:01.780 It's a way to

01:17:02.700 Divide the spoils of wealth

01:17:05.760 Amongst a handful of oligarchs

01:17:07.240 Which is what the assembly is

01:17:08.340 And Novgorod in Russia

01:17:09.440 In medieval Russia was the same way

01:17:11.060 It was ruled that way

01:17:12.760 Whenever trade becomes

01:17:14.560 The dominant occupation

01:17:16.240 You have

01:17:17.800 Usually have a republic

01:17:18.740 Or democracy in one kind or another

01:17:20.920 And democracies are always very tightly controlled

01:17:24.100 I mentioned the Domenici family

01:17:26.220 Taking over in Florence

01:17:27.200 As the dividing line

01:17:29.340 In western history

01:17:30.660 And I take that very seriously

01:17:33.360 Because when they took over

01:17:34.980 They couldn't tell everyone they did

01:17:37.380 They kept the old republic

01:17:39.560 The way it was

01:17:40.840 Had their agents

01:17:43.160 You know, working in administration

01:17:45.240 As if they were independent

01:17:47.240 But in fact they were not

01:17:48.340 And behind the scenes

01:17:49.840 They're financing all the art

01:17:51.580 And the alchemy

01:17:52.080 And everything else

01:17:52.800 The literature of that era

01:17:54.120 They controlled the culture 0.99

01:17:55.840 But no one knew that

01:17:57.640 And Savonarola

01:17:59.160 Exposed it

01:18:00.660 Which is why he was killed

01:18:01.680 They even took over the papacy

01:18:02.740 It was getting the reminders

01:18:05.220 Of the divine law

01:18:06.620 As far away from them

01:18:07.480 As humanly possible

01:18:08.320 And of course they lost

01:18:10.180 Ultimately to the Jews 0.99

01:18:11.300 In England

01:18:12.760 Later on anyway

01:18:14.480 So, you know

01:18:16.340 It was a very brief time

01:18:17.100 That they were able to rule

01:18:17.920 And they're part of the reason

01:18:19.800 That Byzantium fell 0.99

01:18:20.880 Because they took

01:18:22.540 So much capital out of there

01:18:24.160 They were given trade privileges

01:18:25.680 Byzantine economic sovereignty

01:18:29.120 Was removed from it

01:18:30.020 In exchange for loans

01:18:31.460 And naval support

01:18:33.160 And things like that

01:18:33.700 As the empire began to decay

01:18:35.280 So they were extremely destructive

01:18:37.120 But the key thing

01:18:39.280 Is that they had to do it in secret

01:18:40.700 Everything about that world

01:18:43.360 In liberal democracy

01:18:44.280 Is based on deception

01:18:45.920 The people who really rule

01:18:47.600 Can never say that they're ruling

01:18:49.200 Although I think in America today

01:18:51.520 No one would do anything

01:18:52.360 You know, it doesn't matter

01:18:54.100 So I think they're safe now

01:18:56.500 In that sense

01:18:57.020 But there's no way

01:18:59.000 It could be

01:18:59.420 Liberal democracy

01:19:01.700 When we talk about class rule

01:19:04.280 But the definition of class

01:19:05.840 We're not referring to

01:19:06.660 Economic orders

01:19:07.860 Or income

01:19:08.660 We're talking about people

01:19:10.800 Within their vocations

01:19:12.340 You know, soldiers and priests

01:19:13.900 And intellectuals

01:19:14.980 And different forms of labor

01:19:17.000 Each doing its own thing

01:19:19.440 And governing itself

01:19:20.520 Within a single political order

01:19:22.620 Based on natural law

01:19:23.520 But when you recognize natural law

01:19:26.740 You recognize logos

01:19:27.640 You recognize the inherent meaning

01:19:29.760 In our lives

01:19:30.320 And in nature

01:19:30.820 And in your work

01:19:32.180 And ultimately

01:19:33.920 That's, you know

01:19:34.780 That's the foundation

01:19:35.520 Of any just political order

01:19:36.900 The monarchy

01:19:38.060 Is a symbol of that unity

01:19:39.660 There has to be

01:19:41.060 As Hegel would say

01:19:41.680 You can't just have

01:19:42.680 These class orders

01:19:44.060 Which are important

01:19:44.920 You also have to have

01:19:47.400 The monarchy

01:19:48.540 And it has to be

01:19:49.520 A non-secular institution

01:19:52.060 Because again

01:19:53.560 You don't pass laws

01:19:55.440 You don't make laws

01:19:56.400 You simply uncover them

01:19:57.920 And the monarchy

01:19:59.900 Is a living icon

01:20:00.900 This is how we're supposed to live

01:20:02.120 His every move

01:20:03.740 Was ritualized

01:20:04.640 And so they didn't rule

01:20:07.600 They didn't pass laws

01:20:08.320 They didn't tell people

01:20:08.860 What to do

01:20:09.420 They raised taxes

01:20:11.960 They defended the realm

01:20:13.080 They were involved

01:20:14.180 In church things

01:20:14.820 And, you know

01:20:16.900 So that's the foundation

01:20:18.260 For any

01:20:18.740 Intelligible political order

01:20:20.100 It's based on the idea

01:20:21.300 Of labor vocations

01:20:22.380 And representation

01:20:25.140 Based on that

01:20:26.000 Not on population

01:20:26.800 It has to be based on

01:20:28.600 The different functions

01:20:29.940 In society

01:20:30.540 Having their own guilds

01:20:32.900 And being able to work together

01:20:34.280 The monarchy, of course

01:20:35.300 Is a symbol of unity

01:20:36.340 The two of them

01:20:37.100 Have to exist together

01:20:39.040 But this is all based

01:20:40.440 On natural law

01:20:41.220 Which is automatically

01:20:42.680 A religious concept

01:20:43.460 So there is no

01:20:44.560 Secular order whatsoever

01:20:45.560 But I think even that's

01:20:47.200 Too much for moderns 0.67

01:20:48.720 Yeah

01:20:50.260 Correct me if I'm wrong

01:20:51.940 Dr. Johnson

01:20:52.940 But on the whole concept

01:20:54.660 Of clerical advocacy

01:20:55.820 Which we mentioned a bit before

01:20:57.180 Can't you say that

01:20:59.780 Papism is essentially

01:21:01.860 Just that

01:21:03.000 Because what the Pope

01:21:03.740 Is saying

01:21:04.060 He's saying that

01:21:04.580 He is the head of the church

01:21:05.960 Or rather at least

01:21:06.780 The standard head of the church 0.71

01:21:07.960 While Christ is in

01:21:09.320 Heaven or whatever

01:21:10.300 And I mean

01:21:11.840 What this implies

01:21:12.540 Is that he's not only

01:21:13.480 The head of the visible church

01:21:14.880 That is the body

01:21:15.860 Of the clerics

01:21:16.660 But of the body

01:21:18.780 Of the whole creation

01:21:20.700 Essentially

01:21:21.020 He is the head of the church

01:21:22.300 And the church

01:21:22.760 Is the body of Christ

01:21:23.600 And the body of Christ

01:21:24.580 Gives meaning to all reality

01:21:26.680 So essentially what

01:21:27.760 Papism would imply then

01:21:30.020 Is that the Pope

01:21:31.240 Is essentially

01:21:32.080 A sort of antichrist

01:21:33.580 One of my first issues

01:21:36.240 With the church of Rome 0.97

01:21:37.400 Was when I first read

01:21:38.020 About the Gregorian reforms

01:21:39.020 And what was happening

01:21:40.980 In the west

01:21:41.440 From the schism onward 0.87

01:21:43.420 Was the gradual separation

01:21:45.500 Of the clergy

01:21:46.380 From the body

01:21:47.540 Of the population

01:21:48.200 They couldn't be married

01:21:50.160 Everything came from

01:21:51.560 The Pope

01:21:52.460 They lived together

01:21:53.440 They weren't really a part

01:21:54.520 Of a day-to-day life

01:21:55.880 They weren't supposed to be

01:21:56.880 They were a class

01:21:58.180 Order of themselves

01:21:59.020 And they essentially

01:22:00.780 Deify the bureaucracy

01:22:01.700 Because if you don't

01:22:04.780 Obey the Pope

01:22:05.380 You're wrong

01:22:05.900 In faith and morals

01:22:08.020 And that's why

01:22:10.340 A set of a contest

01:22:11.060 Doesn't make much sense

01:22:12.000 Because you've just

01:22:14.060 Denied the papacy then

01:22:14.940 So you're right

01:22:18.100 The premise of your question

01:22:19.480 Is absolutely correct

01:22:20.300 It is clericocracy 1.00

01:22:21.700 It is the deification

01:22:23.700 Of the administration

01:22:24.620 Of the bureaucracy

01:22:25.100 Yes

01:22:25.480 Yeah you're making that

01:22:27.240 Into an idol as well

01:22:28.480 I mean

01:22:28.840 The whole concept

01:22:30.800 Of ex cathera statements

01:22:33.200 To me that sound

01:22:34.300 It sounds just

01:22:36.980 As adultery

01:22:37.940 Because what it's saying

01:22:38.880 Is that the Pope

01:22:39.820 Can dictate

01:22:41.780 The

01:22:42.420 Absolute meaning

01:22:44.840 Of something

01:22:45.500 And that gives

01:22:46.520 It

01:22:47.180 Its meaning

01:22:48.140 Now granted

01:22:48.800 They say that

01:22:50.140 This is

01:22:51.020 Already coming from God

01:22:52.200 But only through the Pope

01:22:53.000 Because the Pope

01:22:53.520 Is a sort of standing head

01:22:54.480 But it still seems

01:22:55.520 To hint

01:22:56.200 That

01:22:56.420 Essentially the same thing

01:22:57.800 That's

01:22:58.840 That's not the doctrine

01:22:59.920 Hans

01:23:00.540 That's

01:23:00.940 Well

01:23:01.840 Well

01:23:02.160 Okay

01:23:03.300 So

01:23:05.380 Any

01:23:06.980 First of all

01:23:07.840 The cathedral

01:23:08.940 Is 0.88

01:23:10.400 Is 0.88

01:23:10.840 Is the bishop's

01:23:12.240 Seat

01:23:12.720 Right

01:23:13.160 So every bishop

01:23:14.240 Can teach

01:23:15.640 From the cathedral

01:23:16.600 And

01:23:18.100 The bishop

01:23:21.360 Can't just teach

01:23:22.480 Anything he wants to

01:23:23.920 From that seat

01:23:25.020 Right

01:23:25.840 The teaching

01:23:26.660 Has to conform

01:23:27.800 To

01:23:28.180 What has been received

01:23:30.500 What has been handed on

01:23:32.060 Has to conform

01:23:33.280 To the traditio

01:23:34.260 And

01:23:37.900 That's even in

01:23:39.980 Pastor Aeternus

01:23:41.280 The definition

01:23:42.100 Of papal infallibility

01:23:43.200 Like they're

01:23:43.820 You

01:23:44.500 Unlike

01:23:46.240 What the Jesuits

01:23:47.840 Try to claim

01:23:48.800 The Pope

01:23:49.520 Can't just say

01:23:50.320 That black is white 1.00

01:23:51.140 And white is black 0.91

01:23:51.800 That's not how it works

01:23:53.080 Okay

01:23:54.580 Right

01:23:54.900 So then you're

01:23:55.720 You're still

01:23:56.160 Placing the importance

01:23:57.160 On the tradition

01:23:58.540 Rather than

01:23:59.340 The Pope's

01:24:00.100 Power

01:24:00.540 Correct

01:24:01.380 I think this is

01:24:04.680 Too much of an aside

01:24:05.460 Frankly

01:24:05.820 I want to get back

01:24:06.560 On another topic

01:24:07.160 We can discuss

01:24:07.880 Papal infallibility

01:24:08.760 Another time

01:24:09.740 So I want to get back

01:24:13.020 To the thing

01:24:13.460 Yeah

01:24:13.680 Thank you for your

01:24:15.200 Response

01:24:15.720 One of the things

01:24:16.800 I also wanted to address

01:24:17.780 Is there also seems to be

01:24:19.180 In

01:24:20.100 In

01:24:21.780 You know

01:24:23.480 Ameridox

01:24:24.700 You know

01:24:25.000 Modernist Christian circles

01:24:26.040 This idea

01:24:26.860 That like

01:24:27.840 The Old Testament

01:24:28.700 Deuteronomic legal codes

01:24:30.320 Don't represent 0.67

01:24:32.220 A type

01:24:33.240 Or an icon

01:24:33.940 Of

01:24:34.800 Natural law

01:24:36.000 And they don't

01:24:36.940 Give an example

01:24:37.820 About how

01:24:38.820 Law ought to be

01:24:40.140 Implemented

01:24:40.660 In all places

01:24:41.360 In all times

01:24:42.060 That this is

01:24:42.540 Kind of this

01:24:43.000 You know

01:24:43.520 Antiquated

01:24:44.680 You know

01:24:45.000 Old covenant

01:24:45.780 Morality

01:24:46.500 That radically

01:24:47.280 Changed when

01:24:47.840 Jesus showed up

01:24:48.560 Made everything

01:24:49.120 Kind of

01:24:49.480 You know

01:24:49.960 Very nice

01:24:50.600 And we don't 0.97

01:24:52.020 Put fags to death 1.00

01:24:52.780 Anymore 1.00

01:24:53.120 Basically

01:24:53.580 And so I just

01:24:56.040 Wanted to know

01:24:56.460 Like you know

01:24:56.900 Just kind of

01:24:57.440 To hear your

01:24:57.980 Comments on this

01:24:59.100 Because you know

01:24:59.640 I mean if we read

01:25:00.240 Like I was having

01:25:01.520 This debate with

01:25:01.940 Somebody the other day

01:25:02.620 You know

01:25:02.940 And I

01:25:03.220 I said to him

01:25:04.300 You know

01:25:04.660 Justinian's

01:25:05.500 Codex

01:25:06.160 You know

01:25:07.080 And I pointed out

01:25:08.020 So this you know

01:25:08.560 This legal codex

01:25:09.400 Was drafted

01:25:10.080 Under the auspices

01:25:10.820 Of a saint

01:25:12.220 Under the supervision

01:25:13.360 Of the patriarch

01:25:15.300 Of Constantinople

01:25:16.360 You know

01:25:17.440 I mean

01:25:17.660 And it basically

01:25:18.180 Conforms to

01:25:19.220 You know

01:25:20.220 Most of the

01:25:20.640 The justice principles

01:25:22.560 That we see

01:25:23.140 In the Deuteronomic

01:25:24.420 Law codes

01:25:25.180 I've had

01:25:27.740 Bishop after bishop

01:25:28.520 Deny the Old Testament

01:25:29.340 To me

01:25:29.720 I mean

01:25:31.040 They would admit

01:25:31.500 That in public

01:25:32.080 But they really

01:25:33.240 Hate it

01:25:33.660 When I first

01:25:35.180 Read the prophets

01:25:35.900 It changed

01:25:37.020 Everything for me

01:25:37.720 These were

01:25:39.220 National socialists

01:25:40.180 In every sense

01:25:40.980 Of the term

01:25:41.420 They were

01:25:42.160 Fanatical nationalists

01:25:43.040 In terms of

01:25:43.420 Ethnicity 0.82

01:25:43.920 And the faith

01:25:44.640 Of the population

01:25:45.280 And they were

01:25:46.380 Socialists

01:25:46.820 In terms of

01:25:47.440 Of the

01:25:48.220 The center

01:25:48.680 On the community

01:25:49.380 And the family

01:25:49.920 And an equality

01:25:51.100 Amongst the different

01:25:51.780 Orders

01:25:52.140 And the different

01:25:53.000 Families

01:25:53.360 In the

01:25:53.920 Amongst the tribes

01:25:54.760 Really the nation

01:25:56.300 As a whole

01:25:56.760 Intermarriage was 0.99

01:25:58.500 Forbidden

01:25:58.860 In the book of Ezra

01:26:00.560 Over and over again

01:26:01.560 And he condemns this

01:26:02.500 As one of the worst

01:26:03.140 Things you could commit

01:26:04.140 This is why

01:26:05.980 No one reads them anymore

01:26:06.920 As I've said

01:26:08.440 Many times in the past

01:26:09.440 Christ didn't have 0.98

01:26:10.680 A political doctrine

01:26:11.460 That's because

01:26:12.460 It's already been

01:26:12.960 Taken care of

01:26:13.820 The Old Testament

01:26:15.380 Took care of that

01:26:16.140 Whether it be

01:26:17.140 The original

01:26:17.920 Code of Deuteronomy

01:26:18.900 Or judges

01:26:19.420 Or the monarchy

01:26:20.320 And the prophets

01:26:22.080 Really lay out

01:26:22.840 The ideology

01:26:23.420 Of the

01:26:24.740 Of Israel 0.92

01:26:25.340 And I can't

01:26:26.580 Find any

01:26:27.080 Distinction

01:26:27.500 Between the

01:26:28.240 Mentality of the

01:26:29.120 Prophets on the

01:26:29.580 One hand

01:26:29.980 And our

01:26:30.840 Basic ideological

01:26:31.860 Code on the

01:26:32.420 Other hand

01:26:32.780 It's already

01:26:34.700 Been taken care of

01:26:35.500 But there's a

01:26:36.200 Reason no one

01:26:36.620 Reads them anymore

01:26:37.340 Because there is

01:26:38.260 No way

01:26:38.780 That liberal

01:26:39.900 Democracy

01:26:40.320 Capitalism

01:26:40.980 The American way

01:26:41.820 Could be Christian 0.98

01:26:43.340 Because it would be

01:26:44.200 Vehemently opposed

01:26:45.020 To the order

01:26:46.880 The prophets

01:26:47.340 Were defending

01:26:48.060 And the

01:26:50.300 Attacks

01:26:50.700 The prophets

01:26:51.120 Made on the

01:26:51.780 Israelite 0.63

01:26:52.200 Ruling class 0.79

01:26:52.780 Were the

01:26:53.340 Exact same

01:26:53.960 Attacks

01:26:54.460 We make

01:26:54.840 Today

01:26:55.180 On the

01:26:56.060 Regime

01:26:56.400 And so

01:26:58.960 When you just

01:26:59.760 Use the Old 0.98

01:27:00.140 Testament

01:27:00.480 Without any

01:27:01.180 Context

01:27:01.760 Christ doesn't 0.95

01:27:03.080 Say very much

01:27:03.660 About social life

01:27:04.340 So then you can

01:27:05.200 Do whatever you

01:27:05.560 Want

01:27:05.820 And this is the

01:27:07.200 Reason why

01:27:07.600 Now there's

01:27:07.920 Such a radical

01:27:08.460 Separation between

01:27:09.080 Old and New

01:27:09.560 Testament

01:27:09.840 No one reads

01:27:10.620 The Old Testament

01:27:11.300 Anymore

01:27:11.720 And there's a

01:27:12.280 Good reason for

01:27:12.780 That

01:27:13.000 And yes

01:27:14.500 But it's very

01:27:14.840 Much in force

01:27:15.440 And it's

01:27:16.800 Extremely important

01:27:17.640 Yeah I mean

01:27:20.040 One of the

01:27:20.900 Early episodes

01:27:21.400 We were trying

01:27:21.860 To get

01:27:22.240 Our Presbyterian

01:27:24.240 Gentleman on

01:27:25.000 To talk about

01:27:26.040 Christian

01:27:26.500 Reconstructionism

01:27:27.600 And theonomy

01:27:28.740 You know

01:27:30.380 And I just

01:27:30.700 This is something

01:27:31.840 That I really

01:27:32.640 I mean it's

01:27:33.420 It's astonishing

01:27:34.320 You know

01:27:35.460 I mean it is

01:27:36.160 A sense

01:27:36.540 It's a

01:27:37.280 It's a de facto

01:27:39.300 Marcionism

01:27:40.040 Is basically

01:27:40.860 What it is

01:27:41.460 You know

01:27:43.080 And this is

01:27:44.160 90% of

01:27:45.160 Christians

01:27:45.560 I would not

01:27:46.580 I would go

01:27:47.020 Further

01:27:47.340 I would say

01:27:47.820 90

01:27:48.460 95% of

01:27:50.020 Christians

01:27:50.240 99% of

01:27:51.140 Christians

01:27:51.420 In the

01:27:52.060 West

01:27:52.460 Would never

01:27:54.600 Be caught

01:27:55.140 Dead

01:27:55.580 Endorsing

01:27:56.580 The

01:27:58.020 Justice

01:27:58.500 System

01:27:58.900 That's

01:27:59.260 Described

01:27:59.700 In the

01:27:59.940 Old Testament

01:28:00.460 That's right

01:28:03.460 They'll tell

01:28:04.100 You that

01:28:04.520 We've

01:28:05.400 Evolved

01:28:05.740 Past that

01:28:06.380 And Christ

01:28:07.560 Brought us

01:28:08.180 To the

01:28:08.500 New

01:28:08.660 Light

01:28:08.920 And

01:28:10.400 Reading

01:28:12.440 Christ

01:28:12.900 Without

01:28:13.900 The Old 0.73

01:28:15.540 Testament

01:28:15.860 Makes him

01:28:16.760 Into a 0.99

01:28:17.000 Lunatic 0.90

01:28:17.280 He doesn't

01:28:18.420 Make any

01:28:18.720 Sense

01:28:18.940 Without the

01:28:19.220 Old

01:28:19.340 Testament

01:28:19.640 He makes

01:28:20.300 No sense

01:28:20.680 Without the

01:28:20.980 Prophets

01:28:21.360 He modeled

01:28:22.360 Himself

01:28:22.780 After the

01:28:23.660 Prophets

01:28:24.040 And how

01:28:24.300 They acted

01:28:24.700 And how

01:28:24.920 They spoke

01:28:25.360 His criticisms

01:28:27.120 Of the

01:28:27.480 Pharisees 1.00

01:28:27.880 Were very

01:28:28.340 Similar

01:28:28.700 What the

01:28:29.360 Prophets

01:28:29.640 Made

01:28:29.900 But the

01:28:30.880 Prophets

01:28:31.100 Were just

01:28:31.340 Far more

01:28:31.680 Political

01:28:32.000 And economic

01:28:32.460 Than he

01:28:32.980 Was

01:28:33.240 His whole

01:28:35.040 Vocabulary

01:28:35.560 Comes from

01:28:36.400 The

01:28:36.520 Prophets

01:28:36.860 And

01:28:37.120 The

01:28:37.400 Psalms

01:28:37.760 Reading

01:28:38.560 The

01:28:38.680 New

01:28:38.800 Testament

01:28:39.040 Without

01:28:39.220 The

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01:28:39.480 Testament

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01:28:46.560 Me

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01:28:55.660 A

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01:29:32.660 Order

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01:29:37.520 Speeches

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01:30:09.120 Testament

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01:31:11.040 Sects

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01:39:04.500 Separate

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01:39:06.700 The

01:39:06.900 Religious

01:39:07.280 Viewpoint

01:39:07.760 Because

01:39:08.200 When

01:39:08.880 People

01:39:09.120 Disagree

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01:39:09.960 It's

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01:39:11.000 Divisive

01:39:11.600 Well

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01:39:15.480 Have

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01:39:15.840 A

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01:39:16.260 Between

01:39:16.580 The

01:39:16.840 Priestly

01:39:17.400 And

01:39:17.640 The

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01:39:18.300 Calling

01:39:18.660 Right

01:39:18.940 I

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01:39:21.120 Much

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01:39:22.540 Is 0.88

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01:39:30.060 The

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01:40:27.680 And

01:40:28.180 You

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01:40:28.840 Movement

01:40:29.120 That

01:40:29.400 For

01:40:29.580 Does

01:40:43.000 One

01:40:45.460 your own

01:40:48.240 political ideas on a political

01:40:50.340 movement that you are not the leader of?

01:40:53.040 Or, correct me

01:40:54.400 if I'm wrong, Dr. Johnson.

01:40:55.860 Well, I mean, we have no choice. I'm dealing with

01:40:58.320 nationalists every day. I've been in this movement

01:41:00.260 for 25 years.

01:41:01.960 Excuse me.

01:41:03.420 And, you know,

01:41:05.860 I can't be talking about the truth of orthodoxy

01:41:08.440 much of the time. I can't talk about it at all,

01:41:10.280 really, because I'm dealing with Protestants 1.00

01:41:12.260 and Roman Catholics who are very decent people.

01:41:15.460 And what it comes down to is that we

01:41:16.980 could show respect, for example, the Austrian

01:41:18.920 Empire or

01:41:20.820 the Spanish Empire, and I have

01:41:22.980 nothing but respect for those institutions.

01:41:25.280 And so from that point of view, we have this

01:41:26.920 common ground, because we do have

01:41:29.100 these dynastic 0.91

01:41:30.260 relations in common.

01:41:33.300 I mean, the holy alliance that

01:41:34.980 Alexander I created was

01:41:36.920 between, you know,

01:41:38.740 Catholic Austria,

01:41:41.120 I'm sorry,

01:41:42.360 France, Austria, and

01:41:45.060 and Russian.

01:41:46.820 Three completely separate religions, 0.99

01:41:49.080 Lutheran,

01:41:50.440 Catholic, and Orthodox.

01:41:52.080 It wasn't a denial of

01:41:53.500 orthodoxy on Alexander's part.

01:41:55.380 It was just a recognition

01:41:56.420 that we need to cooperate

01:41:58.260 to destroy the forces of revolution.

01:41:59.740 And, um, that's, that's the, uh, that's, that's the key element.

01:42:04.700 Uh, so we have no choice in the matter. 0.99

01:42:07.060 Anyone who goes in and starts condemning other religions is a fool. 1.00

01:42:09.960 And he hurts himself by doing it. 1.00

01:42:11.920 Yeah, exactly. I mean, plus, I mean, the, the, there's also, we, we created the free will.

01:42:17.880 So we have the free will to, the, the human free will, the, the free choice.

01:42:22.860 We have the free choice to reject the church.

01:42:25.640 Uh, but, but the political movements is there to preserve the nation is to make sure that we don't get, uh, you know, uh, genocide, whether that's through, uh, intermingling with other people or through actual genocide.

01:42:37.360 So, I mean, that's another question.

01:42:39.020 Oh, sorry. I just, I meant Austria.

01:42:41.620 The Holy Alliance was Austria, Russia, and Prussia. 0.52

01:42:43.740 Sorry about that.

01:42:44.580 But, but the point, the point still stands.

01:42:46.980 Yeah, exactly. It does.

01:42:48.880 It does.

01:42:49.940 Uh, anyway, I lost my train of thought.

01:42:52.340 Sorry about that.

01:42:53.340 No, it's okay. I mean, I think that, but I think that that's, that's essentially, I mean, absolutely correct.

01:42:57.860 And I mean, this is something that, um, you know, I mean, certainly we have not, um, held back what our religious views are, but I mean, I've made a very conscious decision

01:43:05.860 to try and not get entangled with, you know, uh, back and forth, you know, drama and bullshit as far as, uh, religion goes, because I don't think that it's politically expedient.

01:43:18.520 And I think that, um, you know, we really, uh, we don't have any choice, as you say.

01:43:23.220 And that would, that would be kind of my impression as well.

01:43:25.700 Um, but, but I mean, you know, and so on the short term, certainly, and even in the medium term to, to achieve the goal of, I mean, of just self-defense and establishing, you know,

01:43:35.860 the 14 words and all that, I think that that's, hold on, hold on, I'm going to give it, please.

01:43:40.840 I think that's absolutely correct.

01:43:42.360 But I mean, I would ask you, I mean, seriously, I mean, you know, in the long term, I mean, it doesn't, I mean, how, how can we even begin to, to think about civilizational stability if we don't have, I mean, a, a, a, a firm religious grounding for our, our, our ethnic group?

01:44:01.520 Well, our ethnic groups are based on religion.

01:44:03.620 Um, the concept of, of the white race, uh, outside of America doesn't make a whole lot of sense because we're deeply divided.

01:44:10.760 In America, the, the ethnic conception is, is in decline.

01:44:15.580 And there's just a very vague concept of, of whiteness.

01:44:18.840 In Europe, you know, the Holy Alliance had three powers, very different religions, but they also have their own geographic location.

01:44:25.080 Uh, so we would have to have autonomous institutions, uh, that have to exist in mutual respect.

01:44:32.380 And I think that's what my, my, you know, I get along with everybody in this movement, which is rare.

01:44:38.120 And I think the reason is, is because I could see the good in, say, the Austrian empire.

01:44:42.400 And so Catholics like that with a Protestant empire. 0.96

01:44:46.160 So Lutherans like that, you know, with the monarchy in Great Britain, uh, for the most part.

01:44:51.300 So, you know, you know what I mean?

01:44:52.500 You see the good, you could see the, the natural law.

01:44:54.480 You could see the, the, the good things and the humane things that those empires did.

01:44:58.940 Uh, you know, so it's just a matter of respect, but we would have to have separate institutions.

01:45:03.460 Yeah, plus, I mean, I said, you, you can, you still have the free choice to reject the church.

01:45:08.960 You still have the free choice to reject God.

01:45:11.500 So this, so you could say that it's wrong to forcefully impose your religion upon others because you still have the free choice to reject it.

01:45:23.480 Right?

01:45:24.160 Well, that, that's true.

01:45:25.020 But, you know, I've been in political meetings where there's somebody who is demanding that, you know, um, uh, in my case, it's mostly been Roman Catholics, uh, traditionalists who have refused to cooperate with Protestants and, and, and Orthodox.

01:45:38.880 And, and they're, you know, they get kicked out and they destroy, they, they, their own religion loses credibility.

01:45:45.180 They hurt themselves and it causes nothing but trouble.

01:45:48.880 So I have experience in this matter.

01:45:51.080 And, and so it does, it does happen that way.

01:45:53.440 You just can't, you simply can't do it.

01:45:54.720 You have to avoid it.

01:45:55.880 And, uh, when they send us to the gulags, they're not going to give a damn what religion we are.

01:46:01.440 Um, now I draw the line at, at some of these pagans because they're anti, anti-Christian and support certain unnatural, uh, acts.

01:46:09.780 Although even there, uh, there are a handful that are, that are very rational and very intelligent.

01:46:14.800 You know, I was a Platonist before I was a Christian.

01:46:17.500 So I could, I could accept that.

01:46:19.740 Uh, but as far as the Christian groups are concerned, uh, you know, we have so much,

01:46:24.700 much in common and the Holy Alliance is based on, on the fact that they, you know, Napoleon had just been defeated.

01:46:29.860 The French Revolution was in deep decline.

01:46:32.060 That revolutionary idea was in deep decline.

01:46:33.900 This was a victory for, for the right wing and for tradition.

01:46:36.400 It was a brilliant move.

01:46:38.320 I would have done the same.

01:46:39.480 And there isn't a Christian, uh, a saint in Russia at the time that condemned it.

01:46:43.180 It was absolutely necessary.

01:46:45.220 So, but they had their own areas though.

01:46:47.540 They had their own geographic areas.

01:46:49.360 They were not mixing with each other.

01:46:50.540 They were just cooperating in a broader goal.

01:46:52.020 I think we need to avoid, um, trying to preconceive victory, right?

01:47:01.700 Like we can't get concerned about what we're going to do after we win.

01:47:07.680 We got to win first.

01:47:09.540 I mean, we can, we can, we can spurg about those things when we're there.

01:47:12.760 But as we're heading to the Gulag, we're concerned with how, what we're going to do when we win.

01:47:16.200 Anyway, you were talking about the pagans briefly, Father Eiffel.

01:47:22.640 And I mean, from how I see it, much of the, the anti-Christian sentiments about pagans come simply from a, uh, a eros view of what Christianity actually is.

01:47:33.880 I mean, here in Sweden, for example, uh, the choices we have is essentially these Pentecostal sects that are basically everywhere.

01:47:41.300 Uh, the state church, which isn't really a church. 0.69

01:47:45.160 I mean, it's just a new age sect at this point with, uh, lesbian bishops and transsexual so-called priests and all that, uh, gobbledgook. 1.00

01:47:52.760 And, uh, the Catholics. 0.94

01:47:54.760 And, uh, if you know Swedish history, we're not a big fan of the Catholics.

01:47:59.380 Um, so when you're faced with this and with a constant whining that the new age Wiccan church here is, uh, doing, 0.99

01:48:08.100 that we should accept the refugees and how, you know, faggots are created, uh, in the image of God and how faggotry is in the image of God, even, which is heresy. 1.00

01:48:18.060 Then the only natural thing is to call out what you believe is Christianity to be a religion of a slave morality and cuckoldry. 1.00

01:48:27.760 Because we have, as a nation, lost Christianity to the degree that everything we have is these sects. 0.99

01:48:40.360 If it's not Pentecostalism, then it's this new age Wiccanship. 0.99

01:48:45.440 And if it's not that, then it's papism, which I don't think, uh, combines very good with a Swedish temperament.

01:48:53.040 Uh, if, if I may, real quick, um, I just, that slave morality quip that you see all over the place.

01:49:01.120 Yeah.

01:49:01.860 Um, that's obviously, you know, um, paraphrasing from, from Nietzsche.

01:49:09.720 And, and, and, and you see that a lot in the sort of the secular right, uh, uh, worldview,

01:49:16.080 Welton Schoen, uh, uh, of this sort of, you know, uh, slave morality, uh, quip.

01:49:26.300 Um, and, and it just, it drives me nuts because you have to wonder if any of these people have ever actually read Nietzsche.

01:49:34.560 Like, he wasn't saying that God being dead and we have killed him is a good thing.

01:49:42.040 Like, this is a man who is deeply distraught by what modernity has wrought.

01:49:46.720 And he's trying to find a meaning absent from God and of course failing.

01:49:52.840 And that's ultimately what, what, what drives him to a mental breakdown.

01:49:56.900 It's like, uh, I don't know.

01:50:00.060 No, no, no, no.

01:50:00.640 You're, you're absolutely right.

01:50:01.440 I've, I, uh, I did my master's thesis on Nietzsche for exactly for that reason.

01:50:06.020 And, and, you know, people know a slogan or two and that's about it.

01:50:09.780 Uh, he's not very accessible.

01:50:11.520 So the ordinary person can't, can't read it.

01:50:14.220 I can't read it very well.

01:50:15.960 Uh, and yet they say that's not what he meant at all.

01:50:18.840 When I've dealt with, uh, I just had a debate just the other day with, with someone, with one of these pagans.

01:50:24.580 And he never heard of the Byzantine empire.

01:50:26.980 So I gave him way too much credit.

01:50:31.840 It, it, it, it happened.

01:50:32.740 It's happened more than once that they didn't realize that they were Christian empires. 0.97

01:50:36.240 Uh, as the other guy said, you know, they see Pentecostals and fags and, and welcome refugees. 0.93

01:50:42.020 And if that was all there was, I wouldn't be a Christian either. 0.95

01:50:44.660 Yeah.

01:50:45.020 Uh, so, so that's, and the other point I want, I have a paper coming out on this, very long paper coming out on this, is that paganism isn't a religion.

01:50:52.840 Uh, these gods and goddesses were never meant to be, uh, taken as real beings.

01:50:57.740 They are archetypes.

01:50:58.880 They're symbols.

01:50:59.440 They're the constitution of how these, their, their philosophies, their poetries, their ontologies.

01:51:04.640 Exactly.

01:51:05.040 Uh, you know, so these are secular, these were essentially political, um, cultural institutions.

01:51:11.320 Uh, a god, someone like Zeus, it has nothing in common with someone like Yahweh.

01:51:15.680 And that's, that's, you know, and that has to go, there's no, no pagan creed.

01:51:19.260 There's no pagan heretics.

01:51:20.560 There's no, you know, nothing.

01:51:21.340 There's no pagan church fathers.

01:51:22.980 Uh, that's not how it works.

01:51:24.700 Exactly.

01:51:25.420 So, so again, if we see it that way, pagans aren't our enemies anymore because we're not in competition.

01:51:30.840 Exactly, exactly.

01:51:31.400 And, and here's, here's another thing, which is really, really important.

01:51:35.160 Uh, I mean, back in the day, exactly as you said, they were like perhaps metaphysical essences that you can hint at.

01:51:43.040 You can try to comprehend it, but you can't gain true, true knowledge of it.

01:51:46.400 You can't, so sort of massed essence.

01:51:49.200 You can't comprehend the full essence.

01:51:51.200 It's just something we can hint at.

01:51:52.940 We can try to understand it and we can try to use this understanding in a way to try to make the best of it.

01:51:58.560 So you have things like sacrifices, which is, was, uh, if I understand the, the thought of it correctly, it's as a way to try to create a sort of balance, like being a sort of physician of nature, if that makes sense.

01:52:09.540 I mean, you, you can, you can read a hint of it in, uh, in Plato's Symposium, where he talks about, uh, how, uh, how the physicians do these to try to balance the different, uh, uh, um, uh, temperaments of the body.

01:52:24.540 Um, so.

01:52:28.560 Yeah, go ahead.

01:52:29.620 Sorry.

01:52:30.080 You don't have to be a religious person to believe that.

01:52:32.440 It just proves the point.

01:52:33.820 Those are very secular concepts.

01:52:35.520 You can be completely secular and believe exactly that.

01:52:38.460 Uh, Plato was the first one to make the argument that these weren't real gods.

01:52:41.820 These, they were not meant to be.

01:52:43.500 They could see, they could see Mount Olympus from where they were.

01:52:46.680 You know, it's just, these are, these are symbols in a very deep and profound sense.

01:52:50.180 Um, uh, uh, and so, uh, you know, these, they're not religions.

01:52:55.320 You can't compare, uh, you know, Roman paganism to Catholicism.

01:52:59.880 You could talk about Plato and Plotinus and compare them to Aristotle.

01:53:03.820 That would make more sense.

01:53:04.760 But otherwise, it's apples and oranges.

01:53:06.920 Exactly.

01:53:07.440 So, so this pagan, this, this pagan wisdom, this attempt to understand nature's laws, just 0.93

01:53:13.500 as nature's laws, at best, it can only give us a certain understanding.

01:53:17.540 And here's the thing, because we can only gain a certain understanding of it, we are,

01:53:21.880 in essence, blind and deaf to the truth.

01:53:24.960 The truth as the truth itself.

01:53:26.660 We cannot comprehend God, for example.

01:53:28.880 We can't comprehend the essence of God.

01:53:30.540 We can only humble or bend to it.

01:53:32.700 Well, I mean, I, I mean, there's a quote, I think it's from Kierkegaard.

01:53:36.500 It's not the high, I think it's something, uh, in the lines of the highest of all to not

01:53:40.260 understand the highest, but to act on it.

01:53:41.980 And here's another thing, speaking of quotes.

01:53:44.680 But without, without revelation, no human can attain a, a, a true vision of the divine

01:53:50.660 because, because, uh, uh, that, the distance between flawed humanity and, and, and, and

01:53:59.320 infinity, like there's that gap.

01:54:01.360 Exactly.

01:54:02.120 Without revelation, the closest you can get is God of the philosophy.

01:54:06.200 Anyway, I just want to, I just want to pull back a little bit from this.

01:54:08.960 Okay.

01:54:09.600 So we're getting towards the, the end of our, our regular segment here.

01:54:12.580 So doc, did you, you, did you have a special topic you wanted to treat before we finished

01:54:15.860 up and went into Kaliuganews here?

01:54:18.920 Oh, well, yeah.

01:54:20.080 Uh, I, I think we've mostly covered everything I really wanted to touch on.

01:54:24.500 Um, I, I, I do wish to remind, um, any, any, any Catholic listeners, uh, of the, um, the

01:54:33.520 syllabus of errors of, uh, Pope Pius IX, specifically error number 55, it is evil to believe that the

01:54:42.020 state may be separated from the church or the church from the state.

01:54:46.320 And that's the entire error.

01:54:48.540 Like that it, it, it, it's really difficult to get more clear than this.

01:54:53.540 Okay.

01:54:53.580 But that's not very nice.

01:54:55.280 Okay.

01:54:55.520 You see, well, no one ever said that, uh, truth was nice.

01:55:00.400 Uh, I don't think, you know, the, the gospel message is just to be welcoming and nice.

01:55:04.880 Don't you understand doc?

01:55:05.900 Okay.

01:55:06.440 See, I'm pretty sure that's a somewhere in Jesus seven.

01:55:10.920 I, I, I think that, um, yeah, no, the point changers, the temple may have something to say

01:55:16.980 about that.

01:55:17.420 Yeah.

01:55:17.760 Well, no, I mean, one of the things I wanted to say just, just before we go on to Kelly

01:55:21.040 in the news is this, this kind of the false, the false conception of Christianity in most

01:55:25.820 people's minds, which is created by, you know, these radical dildo, I mean, heretics that 1.00

01:55:31.200 exist all over the place.

01:55:32.740 I mean, one of the things, things for me, really what I wanted to do with this, the show is to

01:55:37.400 present people, I mean, a vision of what serious, authentic, traditional Christianity looks

01:55:42.020 like.

01:55:42.360 And that's what the first episode was basically dedicated to doing was to substantiate, you

01:55:47.660 know, national, social, and fascism from a Christian worldview.

01:55:52.260 Um, and, and this is something that I'm, I'm, you know, glad to say that I've had certainly

01:55:55.860 certain success in with some circles of people, um, you know, and just kind of to, to demonstrate

01:56:01.560 to even pagans that the, what, what exactly that we're talking about here, that real Christianity,

01:56:07.240 you know, is not, um, you know, cuckolding yourself for a volcano demon or something like

01:56:12.660 this.

01:56:13.620 Um, you know, so I just thought that to make the caveat.

01:56:17.020 Now, uh.

01:56:18.800 Speaking of, uh, speaking of funny quotes, there's just one thing I want to add here.

01:56:23.040 Um, there is this famous quote by Spender that's basically called something like, uh, Christianity

01:56:28.720 is the grandmother of Bolshevism.

01:56:31.140 And this is another one of those quotes, uh, that Russell talked about that's used without

01:56:36.420 context by many of these, uh, these vehemently anti-Christian people.

01:56:40.500 Now, the funny thing about this quote is I actually read this book a while ago.

01:56:43.820 And what this actually means is that what Christianity is, it's not something purely intellectually.

01:56:49.380 It's something that gives meaning to life.

01:56:52.460 It's something almost mystical, right?

01:56:54.420 It's not just some dry book construct.

01:56:56.980 It has a sort of racial feeling in it where the Spender's racial feeling that is, but with 0.89

01:57:04.120 Bolshevism, you have the cultural entropy going. 0.99

01:57:08.140 So you have the decay of the racial feeling and you end up with just a dry social construct,

01:57:13.280 a godless construct, an anti-Christian construct with no sort of meaning and with only its, uh, 0.91

01:57:20.800 meaning in life being self-referential, um, idolizing its own constructs.

01:57:26.980 Well, that, that, that quote and that, that, I mean, the pagans use that quote and something

01:57:31.120 like it all the time.

01:57:33.120 Bolshevism from Moses to Lenin about that book, you know, and the idea that they, they

01:57:37.040 see that, you know, the church fathers condemned private property, which, you know, St.

01:57:40.960 Ambrose spent a lot of time doing that.

01:57:43.260 And Lenin, at least in theory, condemned private property.

01:57:46.620 Therefore, they must be the same.

01:57:47.760 And it's that kind of simplistic, absolutely mindless thinking, uh, they have nothing in

01:57:53.160 common, uh, you know, and the reds don't even believe that it's, it's, it's, they're 1.00

01:57:58.760 coming from two completely different points of view to reject capitalism.

01:58:02.520 But, but it's just this very simplistic idea.

01:58:04.820 Uh, and it suggests to me that there's a lot of emotion and anger here that comes either

01:58:08.740 from ignorance or a lifestyle that they don't want to change.

01:58:11.400 Yeah, well, I mean, typically, this is one of the, any, the, one of the things that

01:58:15.840 I run into, I mean, it's just a bold face, historical ignorance, um, you know, I didn't

01:58:20.580 mean when you run into people, I mean, I've run into pagans before that actually seriously

01:58:24.260 think that you, if you're, if you're a Christian, you cannot be a national socialist. 0.99

01:58:29.300 And I, um, it's jaw dropping how, how fucking retarded that is. 1.00

01:58:33.620 I mean, just prima facie. 0.99

01:58:35.540 And, uh, do you even lean on to grill, bro?

01:58:38.180 Well, you know, it, it, it's, uh, but that's what it comes down to, frankly, is, you know,

01:58:43.120 the, it's just, you know, um, magnificent, absolute granite, uh, ignorance, or, um, just,

01:58:50.900 you know, there's something else going on here.

01:58:52.400 It's not an intellectual thing.

01:58:53.940 Exactly.

01:58:54.460 The entire movement was overwhelmingly Christian, uh, at least outside of Germany.

01:58:58.040 You did have people like Himmler, uh, but there were the exceptions, you know, the

01:59:01.160 iron guard, the arrow cross.

01:59:02.520 These were all religious people.

01:59:04.240 These were all Christian people of different types.

01:59:05.920 Uh, uh, so, yeah, it's, it's, but not knowing what the Byzantine Empire is, believe it or

01:59:11.020 not, that's more common than, than we realize.

01:59:14.040 And I know it's hard to, to fathom, but it is true. 1.00

01:59:18.540 No, I mean, I, I, I remember very distinctly what I learned about it.

01:59:21.740 I mean, they certainly don't teach it in school.

01:59:23.800 Now, we're going to move on to the very esteemed, internationally reputable segment of our show,

01:59:32.100 Kali Yuga News.

01:59:33.280 Kali Yuga News.

01:59:36.420 Thank you, Griva.

01:59:37.700 Uh, in absence of a soundboard, your voice does quite well.

01:59:40.820 Now, Griva, because you live in Sweden, I'm going to give you the honor of selecting our

01:59:45.900 first article.

01:59:47.220 Oh, you gave me the honor of selecting the Swedish article.

01:59:49.640 Listen, you're, you're in the depth, you're in the heart of the darkness.

01:59:52.320 So you, I think, uh, you deserve the honor.

01:59:55.320 I have become the abyss.

01:59:59.080 Don't speak so, so quickly, my friend.

02:00:02.680 No, no, you shouldn't say that.

02:00:04.560 Right.

02:00:05.320 Um, let's, uh, well, let's, let's take a classic, I suppose. 1.00

02:00:09.560 Immigrant rape. 1.00

02:00:10.500 I am become Sven's destroyer of worlds. 1.00

02:00:12.860 Uh, yeah, let's take immigrant rape. 1.00

02:00:16.780 Yeah, let's, let's. 1.00

02:00:18.400 Breaking news from Sweden.

02:00:19.800 Yeah, well, let's not joke while we're talking about this, at least.

02:00:22.860 I mean, uh, let me just translate the title here. 0.93

02:00:25.620 Ali, uh, Ali recorded when he raped a girl on schoolyard. 0.82

02:00:31.940 Now, this is kind of self-obvious. 0.82

02:00:34.920 The, the Ali guy, he was 16.

02:00:38.280 The victim was 13. 0.99

02:00:40.360 And he, uh, he forced her to commit, uh, oral sex on him. 0.98

02:00:44.780 Uh, you know, pushed her against the wall and basically forced her to do it. 0.99

02:00:48.660 While he recorded.

02:00:50.760 Now, believe it or not, it only stopped because Ali's friend Mohammed came. 0.93

02:00:54.820 And stopped it.

02:00:56.160 And I mean, this, this is, I mean, this is sort of a miracle.

02:00:59.200 I wouldn't actually expect them doing that.

02:01:01.220 But, you know, cheers to him, I suppose.

02:01:03.900 Um, now I, I just got an open question to our panel here.

02:01:07.640 Um, Doc Florian and Doc Savage.

02:01:10.520 I mean, uh, how much of a punishment do you think Ali got for this action? 0.99

02:01:16.580 Nothing.

02:01:18.060 Nothing?

02:01:18.680 Okay.

02:01:19.160 How about you, Doc Savage?

02:01:20.160 Um, is it possible to get less than nothing?

02:01:26.100 Like, did, did they give him a, I, I, I...

02:01:28.300 It is, it is, it is, it is possible, yes.

02:01:31.620 It is possible to be reimbursed for being, uh, accused.

02:01:35.320 Uh, so there you go.

02:01:36.680 Uh, what do you think, Raphael?

02:01:37.560 Uh, yeah, I, I'm going to say nothing or the absolute minimum, if their EC was punished

02:01:41.800 at all.

02:01:42.580 Yeah, pretty much minimum.

02:01:43.920 40 hours of community service.

02:01:46.520 Yeah, which is not, yeah, okay.

02:01:47.760 Not much of a punishment.

02:01:48.120 40 hours.

02:01:49.040 40 hours.

02:01:50.020 Not 40 years in prison, but 40 hours of community service.

02:01:53.300 And they have the goal to, uh, to, to, to take this to the next instance of the coping,

02:02:00.620 but because they think this is too harsh.

02:02:03.340 Oh, a just punishment would be 40 seconds of swinging.

02:02:09.100 40 seconds of swinging.

02:02:10.260 That's, that's right, that's right.

02:02:12.900 I mean, I mean, this is not, you know, one of the things for me about these stories is,

02:02:19.500 um, I mean, I, I bring, I bring these up, I bring these up with, with, with liberals

02:02:24.900 that I know, uh, and when they start talking about mass immigration or whatever, right?

02:02:32.180 Multiculturalism.

02:02:32.620 I mean, I bring these up and I, I just say, I say, I ask a lot of these stories.

02:02:36.840 And I'm just like, so what do you think about this?

02:02:39.160 Yeah, well, they have no answer because they have no answer.

02:02:41.420 I mean, the thing, the thing that I think it's all about is because they realize they are

02:02:46.060 just as morally decrepit.

02:02:47.300 So they are projecting their own insecurity of being punished for their, their lack of

02:02:52.080 morals onto the judicial system. 0.98

02:02:54.720 So they don't want, uh, discussing shit like this to be punished because deep down they 0.99

02:02:59.760 want to do it themselves. 0.99

02:03:01.280 Freudian psychology works for people who are just, who are as depraved as Freud.

02:03:06.600 That's the point.

02:03:07.500 Now, the thing about this case as well is that all he recorded with his phone, he sent it

02:03:12.600 to, you know, his, uh, his buddies.

02:03:14.540 Uh, but he wasn't, he wasn't punished for libel or for actually creating child pornography.

02:03:21.760 He wasn't punished for that at all either.

02:03:23.920 Um, so that's, that's a funny side note.

02:03:26.360 Well, it's not funny at all.

02:03:27.100 It's horrible, but yeah, whatever.

02:03:28.760 To me, the most terrible thing about this is that it, it took one of, one of these invaders

02:03:37.380 realizing that this is wrong and he needed to do something.

02:03:41.980 Like, I, I can't, I can't believe that, that, that there weren't, that there weren't native

02:03:50.560 Swedes who knew what was happening and were too afraid of being called the R word.

02:03:56.440 Oh no, they might think I'm racist.

02:03:59.440 Well, maybe it was like in a corner or somewhere not as populated.

02:04:03.860 I, I don't know, but in all honesty, it wouldn't surprise me if people, you know, didn't do

02:04:08.380 anything about it.

02:04:09.160 I've, I've, I've, I've seen cases where these people do, uh, well, not quite as extreme stuff

02:04:16.660 as this, but do, you know, act very, very bad with people. 0.99

02:04:19.120 And no one even bats an eye, no one gives a fuck. 0.99

02:04:21.880 No one cares. 0.99

02:04:23.540 We're stuck in apathy.

02:04:25.560 I mean, I can, I can, I can.

02:04:26.540 At a certain level, don't people think that they deserve this?

02:04:29.020 I mean, that's, I think that's what it comes down to is that people really think that,

02:04:33.740 that, that being white is sinful inherently, that we are guilty because of our ancestors' 0.84

02:04:42.680 misdeeds, so-called, and that we must suffer these outrages.

02:04:48.800 No, I, I don't even think it's that.

02:04:51.140 I think it's just pure apathy.

02:04:53.940 I mean, not pure apathy and pure hedonism.

02:04:56.300 They don't even care about being justly punished because they don't care about justice.

02:05:02.740 I mean, even assuming we would actually deserve this.

02:05:05.800 And another thing which is, which, I mean, you can still feel yourself, you know, swinging

02:05:12.660 between this sense of pure apathy to the whole situation and some sort of hope or some sort 0.79

02:05:18.380 of desire to do some shit, some sort of certainness or whatever you want to call it. 0.79

02:05:21.840 You can feel yourself swinging between it as well. 0.97

02:05:24.900 I mean, it's easy to get demoralized, I suppose, but I mean, you, you see these things basically

02:05:29.320 every day.

02:05:30.260 I mean, this wasn't really anything super special.

02:05:33.940 So if we come to look at the news reporting, well, demoralization is important.

02:05:39.720 It took me an embarrassingly long period of time to realize that facts and logic don't

02:05:45.200 get you very far when you're dealing with these people, they're defenders.

02:05:49.180 You can load them up with fact after fact after fact and put together the most logical order

02:05:53.180 possible and they won't budge.

02:05:57.700 And now if that were me, I couldn't sleep at night having a political position that's been

02:06:01.940 totally blown out of the water.

02:06:02.900 I couldn't hold it anymore.

02:06:04.700 And if these people do, truth, facts, logic has nothing to do with any of this.

02:06:09.260 And I think that's why you guys are kind of grasping at, at what are the psychological

02:06:13.080 reasons for this?

02:06:14.920 Because it can't be because they think they're right.

02:06:17.500 They know they're not.

02:06:18.880 So there's got to be something else. 0.55

02:06:20.380 There's belief in either apathy and abulia or that white inherently sinful.

02:06:24.440 And you're right.

02:06:24.900 You're right to do it.

02:06:26.260 And I can't believe it.

02:06:27.460 I still can't.

02:06:28.140 I can't deal with that.

02:06:28.940 And it's okay once in a while to walk away because these guys are not worth a heart

02:06:32.580 attack.

02:06:32.860 Yeah, I'm not sure if you've realized just how insane this country is, Dr. Johnson.

02:06:38.180 I mean, what you have to realize is this country is not just political at this point.

02:06:42.620 It's a literal cult.

02:06:44.100 And if you're not part of this cult, you're essentially excommunicated.

02:06:47.420 I know that you, you know, you had your own problems, but the whole thing that's going

02:06:52.940 on in Sweden is on a whole other level.

02:06:55.300 It's just absurd at this point.

02:06:57.340 And there was, I lost my train of thought.

02:07:01.000 I was going to say something, but I forgot it.

02:07:03.100 Well, it's easy to do when you're looking at Europe, where we all came from in America,

02:07:08.120 falling apart and being invaded with the full cooperation of the political elites.

02:07:15.220 Yeah.

02:07:15.360 You want to bang your head against the wall. 0.70

02:07:17.620 Yeah. 0.90

02:07:17.880 Yeah.

02:07:18.140 I mean, at least, at least this, these Muslims have some sort of moral system, right? 1.00

02:07:24.980 So maybe that's, maybe that's a part of it as well.

02:07:27.720 They realize, okay, at least these people have moral system.

02:07:30.380 It might be wicked, might be wrong.

02:07:32.020 It might be perverted, but at least it's a moral system.

02:07:34.360 So perhaps that makes them inherently superior to even us.

02:07:38.260 Now, of course, in most cases, they don't even have a foul way, suppose, moral system,

02:07:41.580 but whatever.

02:07:43.020 Well, yeah.

02:07:44.080 I mean, yeah.

02:07:47.100 So moving on to our next story, I mean, this.

02:07:50.280 I actually have another, another story.

02:07:53.080 Well, okay, sure, go ahead.

02:07:55.340 Go ahead.

02:07:55.580 This is the cult mentality, really, and the aristocratic status that the corrupt elites have got right now.

02:08:04.340 And this is a story from a union, the transport unions, like truck drives or something, I suppose.

02:08:10.500 And this is the fat union boss, well, a union boss.

02:08:17.580 Yeah, actually, the union boss.

02:08:19.100 And he's been exposed by going to expensive restaurants, you know, buying lobsters, expensive wines and all this stuff for the money of the union.

02:08:33.360 So not his own money, but the union money.

02:08:35.120 The union money that's supposed to go to unemployed Swedes to help out in bad situations and all this stuff.

02:08:46.080 And another thing I have to realize is that almost all unions in Sweden are controlled by the Social Democratic Party and they have their own agenda.

02:08:53.880 And if you do not support the Värdegrund, the Värdegrund, the basic fundamental opinions of the so-called Social Democratic Party, then you are, again, excommunicated.

02:09:06.040 You're thrown out of the union.

02:09:07.760 And yeah, good luck, good luck being unemployed then.

02:09:13.660 Well, I think that just supports our contention that a secular state is a contradiction in terms is essentially by nature impossible.

02:09:23.880 There will be a state cult.

02:09:27.520 It is simply an inevitability.

02:09:30.380 And if you don't recognize that this cult has its own constitution, that allows you to be ever so much more abusive.

02:09:42.040 It's literally anti-Christian. 0.62

02:09:43.580 I mean, that's what it is.

02:09:44.620 With apps of God, a state becomes God.

02:09:47.480 And, I mean, this is – we can see it in these trannies, right? 1.00

02:09:51.500 These trannies transition, and they want to change the legal gender. 1.00

02:09:57.680 Now, when the state says that, oh, you're a female now, then this depraved, sick, mentally unstable person gets so happy because finally their God recognizes them. 0.99

02:10:09.020 Finally, the state recognizes them for who they really am. 0.53

02:10:12.640 And in Sweden, we have – every person has a special number.

02:10:18.240 It's their birth date plus four unique numbers.

02:10:23.980 And the second last number stands for their gender.

02:10:26.700 So if it's even numbers, it's a girl or woman.

02:10:31.680 If it's uneven numbers, it's a man.

02:10:33.980 And what happens with these trannies is that they change the second last letter if they transition. 1.00

02:10:42.840 So when they finally get this change number in their person number, in their ID number, they get so happy.

02:10:52.240 And this is morally – this is just absurd.

02:10:54.920 I mean, they get happy because their cattle ID is changed to represent their illusions of themselves.

02:11:06.800 And it's all sanctioned by their God, the state.

02:11:12.060 Well, yeah.

02:11:14.000 Yeah, I mean, if we read the book of Revelation, when the great Babylon is destroyed,

02:11:19.840 its merchants and its seafarers are weeping because of the pleasure that they've lost.

02:11:24.920 Not because of repentance.

02:11:27.580 Oy vey, I can't sodomize myself every weekend now.

02:11:30.820 Yeah, truly.

02:11:31.660 It's such a show-up.

02:11:33.060 Yeah.

02:11:33.940 Now, my supply of catamites has been decimated.

02:11:39.100 Now, I want to move on to the next story here.

02:11:41.800 This is one that I picked.

02:11:44.040 Now, if you've been paying attention, you'll know that we've been talking about this for quite a while.

02:11:49.560 And we're going to be talking about it for a long time to come because I'm certain this is the direction the future is going.

02:11:54.920 From DailyMail.co.uk, meet Silicon Samantha, AI sex robot that has a functioning G-spot and can switch between, quote, family and, quote, sexy modes.

02:12:08.480 So, it's horrifying. 0.98

02:12:11.700 It's so horrifying it's ridiculous. 0.84

02:12:13.900 I'm looking at this article right now and there's a picture of this hipster nerd and he looks dead in his eyes and he's hugging this inanimate object, this robot. 0.55

02:12:24.580 Yeah, now, let me just, let me just read this article.

02:12:28.820 It is incredible.

02:12:30.720 The AI bot, which has dark brown hair and piercing green eyes, is even capable of, quote, emotional closeness, end quote, according to engineer Sergi Santos from Barcelona.

02:12:44.160 He said, Samantha is interactive.

02:12:46.460 Basically, she likes to be touched, et cetera, et cetera. 0.77

02:12:52.540 Incredible.

02:12:54.460 I mean, I thought reborn babies was bad, but this is essentially the same thing. 1.00

02:12:58.480 Just wait until you get, like, demon dolls like this.

02:13:01.540 Just like they have demon reborn dolls.

02:13:03.260 I mean, that's a thing.

02:13:05.300 It's just absurd.

02:13:07.280 I married my love bot.

02:13:09.460 It was a beautiful ceremony.

02:13:11.240 I cried like a baby, a hungry, angry baby. 0.99

02:13:14.860 Yeah, and you did it alone in your rat cage apartment. 0.95

02:13:17.560 Hey, that was a great movie. 0.66

02:13:18.660 I'm a brown coat myself.

02:13:22.220 Yeah, and I mean, so it's this, I mean, basically this article just exposes what we've been talking about.

02:13:27.620 But, I mean, this is what they're going to go, is it's to remove any interaction between the sexual faculty and its intended destination.

02:13:38.860 That is to say, you know, real, organic women. 1.00

02:13:41.240 And this is part of the vicious cycle that they create, right?

02:13:43.460 You know, they demonize masculinity, and they demonize femininity in the same wrath. 1.00

02:13:48.960 And so they turn women into these kind of decadent, masculine sluts. 1.00

02:13:53.500 So what happens is to fill the market gap, you know, these men, you know, these beta men who are getting kind of pushed out of the pussy game, what happens? 1.00

02:14:04.480 What steps into this place? 0.99

02:14:05.500 Well, you get sex bots and the catamites. 0.96

02:14:09.560 That's who steps into the market to fill the premium that's been placed on femininity, a feminine sexual object. 1.00

02:14:18.120 And anime, don't forget to anime.

02:14:19.440 Well, yeah, but anime leads directly into both of these things.

02:14:23.500 In my opinion, catamites and sex bots, in my opinion, are inextricably linked to that kind of medium of entertainment.

02:14:30.000 It's good you finally admit the deep problem of the anime question, Florian.

02:14:34.660 I'm proud to hear you say that.

02:14:36.240 Thank you, Dave.

02:14:36.920 I'm glad that I could elevate myself in your eyes as a, you know, sophisticated and discerning fire and brimstone hate preacher.

02:14:46.200 Thank you.

02:14:47.380 You're welcome.

02:14:47.500 Now, but I just wanted to just kind of bring this up.

02:14:49.140 I mean, just to reinforce what we've been talking about.

02:14:51.280 You know, again, I'm going to say it every episode because I think it's important.

02:14:54.880 We don't speak in hyperbole here on Mysterium Fashies.

02:14:58.140 We speak only infractionally with precision and accuracy.

02:15:01.860 And so, yeah, I mean, artificial wombs are here. 1.00

02:15:05.340 They're, you know, they're about to be here.

02:15:07.040 They're coming. 0.76

02:15:07.680 We've got the sex bots. 1.00

02:15:09.840 You know, what do you, you know, what do you like?

02:15:12.420 What do you think is going to happen?

02:15:15.480 Yeah, this is just absurd.

02:15:17.780 I mean, another thing which kind of strikes me is that when you think about it, everything in society has been channeled right into sex.

02:15:28.660 I mean, every relationship has the possibility of sex.

02:15:31.120 I mean, you talked about it before.

02:15:32.260 You call it like the hermeneutic something of gay suspicion.

02:15:35.340 The hermeneutic of gay suspicion.

02:15:36.580 Exactly.

02:15:37.140 The hermeneutic.

02:15:37.580 I don't even know exactly what hermeneutic means, but whatever.

02:15:40.260 The point is we still have this mentality, right?

02:15:42.440 So, even between men and women rights, so you can't even have like this normal non-sexual relationship both in a friendly sense and in a pre-marriage sense in the same way. 0.99

02:16:00.780 Because you always have this stiff thought in the back of your head because we're all basically damaged by that this shit is being promoted everywhere. 0.79

02:16:09.360 So, if we take feminism, for example, I think that at least partly it's a reaction against this. 0.99

02:16:16.120 They're saying, okay, I don't want this.

02:16:17.680 I think this is creepy.

02:16:18.640 This is just to satisfy the passions of this guy and I want to do something else.

02:16:23.580 I want to be something more. 0.90

02:16:25.400 But instead of acting feminine, what they're doing is they're becoming these red-haired, armpit-colored dykes. 1.00

02:16:35.160 Oh, stop oppressing. 0.99

02:16:36.080 Stop oppressing.

02:16:36.780 Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.

02:16:41.260 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

02:16:43.200 Now, Dr. Johnson, you had an article I believe that you wanted to read.

02:16:46.960 Yeah, I'm still happy that someone cited from the movie Firefly.

02:16:51.020 Yeah, great point.

02:16:51.800 And, you know, and remember the context of that quote was the guy who, Mr. Universe, who ran the media, who they made as Jewish-looking as humanly possible.

02:17:03.720 And, you know, there's a reason Nathan Fillion is my favorite actor out there.

02:17:08.120 It was the most right-wing movie I've seen in a long time. 0.98

02:17:11.260 And he goes, yes, he had a sex bot and it was explained and depicted in the most pathetic way. 0.98

02:17:21.800 So he had an attack on this. 0.98

02:17:23.440 And it's just, you know, I feel sorry for these guys who would require that and who would buy that.

02:17:28.480 It's more pity than anger.

02:17:30.680 The relations between the sexes are so bad that there's a market for this. 0.87

02:17:34.200 So that's – anyway, my story is suburban immigration lawyer gets 15 months for the asylum scam.

02:17:44.600 And this is Robert DeColeta from suburban Chicago.

02:17:50.440 And what he did was – now, this gets complicated.

02:17:54.200 I was researching it as you guys were speaking, and it's more complicated than this article suggests.

02:17:58.160 Bringing immigrants from Syria, he was lying about what happened to them.

02:18:04.280 He was trying to get them asylum.

02:18:07.100 And so they were inventing stories about how they were tortured in Syria.

02:18:12.700 And these are overwhelmingly Christians, though.

02:18:15.820 So we know that Obama had blocked Christians from coming into the U.S. on that basis rather than – in favor of Muslims.

02:18:25.120 This guy, angry at that, said, well, the only way we could get Christians in here, the Assyrian Christians rescued, is to lie.

02:18:32.860 And that's why there's a Facebook page called I Stand with Robert.

02:18:36.700 And they're saying that it's not his fault.

02:18:38.920 You know, he was lying because there was such a blatant discrimination against these people because they were Christians.

02:18:44.080 But in the process, he was saying that the Ba'ath government was destroying Christianity in the area, which, of course, makes no sense.

02:18:50.280 And it was very easy for him to take advantage of the popular ignorance, media manipulation, and saying that, well, they lived in Syria, therefore they lived under a tyrant.

02:19:01.460 And it was taken at face value.

02:19:05.020 And so he was given 15 months in prison, which is an odd – you know, that's an odd punishment.

02:19:10.320 Sitting in a room for 15 months is not going to change anything.

02:19:13.800 We found that odd for nonviolent crimes.

02:19:15.800 But – so it's a bit more common.

02:19:19.140 When I took it, I just thought it was – he was just some leftist wanting to bring as many people over as possible and was lying about their status.

02:19:26.200 But as it turns out, what he was doing was rebelling against Obama's de facto ban on Christian asylum seekers.

02:19:35.100 And the broader point is, though, is that he was – and he was bribing people as well.

02:19:41.760 He was telling these people to lie about what happened to them.

02:19:44.680 And if that didn't work, he was giving money to an immigration prosecutor, for example, in Illinois to get them to leave him alone.

02:19:54.960 So – but he's responding.

02:19:58.600 So the issue is, yes, he did the wrong thing, but for a very good reason.

02:20:03.060 And so he's not one of these leftist immigration lawyers.

02:20:06.180 He was rebelling against Obama's ban.

02:20:09.420 And so I'm not entirely sure what to think about it.

02:20:11.540 But – but the point that we can all agree on, though, is that he was just taking advantage of public ignorance and media lies about Syria and Assad.

02:20:21.680 I've been praising Assad and his father since my freshman year in college.

02:20:26.380 I remember very, very well, long before it became fashionable to do so.

02:20:30.920 And the right, of course, attacked me the entire time because they were considered him a socialist and pro-Soviet and everything else.

02:20:35.660 But he was dealing with Christians overwhelmingly, and was – so he was telling them to go on the stand and say that, yes, that Assad regime was torturing me and hurting me and raping me and everything else, and that's why I need asylum. 0.94

02:20:49.560 And so now that he's been convicted, those people will be hunted down and then deported.

02:20:56.400 They won't face prosecution themselves, but they will be kicked out of the country.

02:20:59.920 So I'm not really sure what to think morally about the guy.

02:21:02.240 I mean, it's just – it's – in the projective sense of the term, I mean, it's Byzantine, really.

02:21:09.800 I mean, it's this – it's just – yeah, I don't really know what to take away from this one either.

02:21:15.040 I mean, the situation is so freaked up, you know, 77 different ways.

02:21:22.000 I mean, as you say, I think that's the big takeaway is that this is basically the result of confusion.

02:21:27.920 I mean, I think somebody – Catholic recently once said, you know, I mean, wherever there is confusion, you know, there you can find the devil.

02:21:35.840 I think it's absolutely true.

02:21:37.220 I mean, this is the sort of thing that naturally follows.

02:21:41.940 You know, let's see.

02:21:43.280 So, Doc, do you have an article you want to cover that you can burn it in your loins or your heart for, rather?

02:21:48.400 Well, as much as I want to do the NASA immortality pill, I think the – making stay-at-home moms illegal is probably more important. 1.00

02:22:01.020 Probably it's more important.

02:22:01.940 Wait, what?

02:22:02.940 Oh, I missed that one.

02:22:05.380 Yeah, so apparently in Australia – let me pull up the article here.

02:22:11.260 It's from the National Review.

02:22:22.020 Please forgive me.

02:22:22.940 My computer has decided to freeze.

02:22:26.140 Yeah, the same thing happened to me.

02:22:27.640 I think it's a program.

02:22:28.560 I think it's Mumble.

02:22:32.360 Nice.

02:22:32.780 You have to take no demon.

02:22:37.140 Anyway.

02:22:37.900 Yeah, well, that's fine.

02:22:39.020 You know, we don't – you know, we can – we can abridge this article this week.

02:22:42.280 We're actually past our time.

02:22:44.480 We've come to the end of the episode.

02:22:46.480 I think it's time to close it out.

02:22:49.200 So, to all of our listeners, I'm your host, Florian Geyer.

02:22:53.580 Thank you very much for joining us.

02:22:56.060 This week with me I had my co-host, Doc Savage.

02:22:59.960 Doc, thank you very much for coming on.

02:23:02.700 Always a pleasure.

02:23:04.020 And remember that heaven is a kingdom and hell is a democracy.

02:23:07.880 Well said.

02:23:09.680 I also had my very loyal co-host, Greva Hans.

02:23:12.840 Greva, thank you for staying up until, you know, 3 o'clock, 3.30 in the morning, 4 o'clock in the morning to do this podcast with us.

02:23:20.320 Yeah, well, I need some sleep.

02:23:23.300 Also, Norway, Swedish.

02:23:25.580 Okay.

02:23:26.120 Thank you.

02:23:26.580 Go to bed.

02:23:27.000 And joining us this week we had a very special guest, Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson.

02:23:33.940 Father, I mean it's always good to have you on.

02:23:35.600 Your insight is greatly appreciated.

02:23:38.440 You know how much I love this show.

02:23:39.800 And your co-hosts and we mesh very well together.

02:23:43.700 You know, we really are just, you know, we work very well as a panel.

02:23:48.800 And it's one of the most enjoyable shows I've ever been on in my career.

02:23:54.460 Wow.

02:23:54.660 Fantastic.

02:23:55.680 High praise to all of our listeners.

02:23:58.960 Thank you very much for joining us.

02:24:01.700 Shalom.

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Mysterium Fasces Episode 22 — Church + State

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