In this episode, Dr. Matthew R. Johnson joins us to discuss the relationship between the Church and the State, and how it relates to the modern world. Dr. Johnson's doctoral degree is in the history of political philosophy, realized in the Middle Ages.
00:02:43.740Now, so today we're going to be discussing, you know, the church and state and the relationship between the two.
00:02:52.060So this is a subject that personally interests me.
00:02:55.220I think that most Westerners have absolutely no, you know, holistic or real idea of the interaction between these two things, especially in the United States, which is explicitly founded on rebuking the historical European traditions associated with the interplay between these two organisms.
00:03:13.820So, you know, Dr. Johnson, I mean, this is a field where I think you probably have more experience, more expertise in than anybody else I know, which is why I'm so happy to have you on today to discuss this.
00:03:25.660So before we even begin, you know, maybe we should just talk about, you know, defining church and state because I was listening to one of your older Orthodox Nationals podcasts earlier today, and you made a very, very good point that, you know, the way church and state were understood to be, you know, a thousand years ago or even 700 years ago is radically different than it is now.
00:03:50.320So from your perspective, what is the church and what is the state?
00:03:56.340Well, yeah, that usually takes quite a long time to summarize.
00:05:12.840Justinian's states has a state as just based on natural law.
00:05:22.080Laws which natural reason appoints for mankind obtains for inequality of all nations.
00:05:27.960In other words, all nations have a right to this kind of self-determination within the commonwealth.
00:05:31.380He says, for example, the people of Rome are governed partly by their own laws, partly by the laws which are common to all mankind.
00:05:41.020There's canon laws, there's natural law, then there's their local customs, specific to themselves.
00:05:45.980I don't think that the modern states fit that at all.
00:05:53.660They're artificial, they're mechanistic, they're based on corporate money.
00:05:58.740I don't think they're states that the Church Fathers would ever use the term.
00:06:03.740Right. I mean, most people operate under the kind of Weberian definition that, I mean, a state is a corporation with a monopoly in the legitimate exercise of force.
00:06:13.900So how does that conception, which is the modern paradigm that most people operate in, mesh with any more archaic or traditional conception of the state?
00:06:25.480Well, when I think, for example, Alcuin wrote a letter to Charlemagne, defines a state as a royal dignity.
00:06:38.840Just, you know, if the concept of the monopoly of force were to be the definition, then, you know, if a gang were to take over the U.S. and run it, it would be a state.
00:06:51.340Pain, power, territory, that's what a state is.
00:06:55.480Positivists and anomalists would have no choice but to think of it that way.
00:07:00.320But talking about the Church and the Crown, for the medieval and for the Church Fathers and the state,
00:07:08.780there isn't a Russian monarch that didn't complain that the bureaucracy, creation, was his worst enemy.
00:07:16.700That so much of what the monarchs wanted to do was destroyed as it was being interpreted by the bureaucracy.
00:07:22.180That, um, think of it, think of it as a distinction between power and authority.
00:07:29.060Power is just the ability to coerce someone.
00:07:52.400Uniformity in language and general moral beliefs and doctrine.
00:07:55.180There's nowhere to be found in the Western world.
00:07:59.520Yeah, that's becoming more and more obvious.
00:08:02.400You know, I mean, this is something just interesting.
00:08:04.260I ran into, the other day, being a supporter of liberal democracy.
00:08:07.700And I posed to him the question, you know, I said, well, why do you support liberal democracy?
00:08:11.180And he, he was saying that, oh, well, you know, I support the, the ability for there to be radical Marxists and radical right-wing traditionalists so that people can make an informed decision between the two decisions.
00:08:24.360I said, well, uh, when you get to the point where society is so bifurcated that we don't, when we speak of the topic of abortion,
00:08:32.160one side perceives it as being the, one of the worst forms of murder that you can commit, basically a satanic action.
00:08:39.440And the other side perceives it as being a lawful, a human right that, you know, people have to have tax money extorted from them to pay for women's abortions.
00:08:48.900I don't really see how that sort of system can end in anything else but violence.
00:08:53.900Because there's not even a basic maintenance of, as you say, like the language.
00:08:56.980We're not even talking about the same things.
00:08:59.640I don't even believe we're using the same language.
00:09:02.160We're radically different from each other.
00:09:18.100And I mean, this is, yeah, we're going to get into this, I mean, in a bit.
00:09:23.220But I just, I just figured it'd be better to get into, to kind of some of the background for our listeners.
00:09:28.060So, yeah, I mean, what we're talking about when we say the state, in the best sense, is the unity of the legitimate exercise of power, the authority that undergirds it with the spiritual, the metaphysical reality that is, you know, the instantiation of the Holy Spirit on earth, God's grace, which is the church.
00:10:09.760Church and society are connected in such a way that one is different from the other, only in attitude.
00:10:16.060Society is a union of people united by laws in the same form of government, but that this same society is also united by the collective observance, one form of worship, the right of the church.
00:10:49.880I mean, but this raises questions immediately for the implementation of this kind of idea in North America.
00:10:58.280But I want to get into that like a little bit later on because I think that that's kind of an hour long can of worms to open up.
00:11:04.300So kind of getting back to this concept here, I read your article on Ruth's Journal about the, about Sinfonia and about the unification of church and state.
00:11:15.400And we're going to get into this in a minute.
00:11:16.760But my general impression is that the traditional idea, and this is fairly universal, is that in any society that's supposed to be coherent is that there has to be unity between the spiritual and physical actions of the body of the nation.
00:11:37.060And that whenever there's a separation between the spiritual life and the physical life or the political and the metaphysical, that there's chaos.
00:11:55.620So any sort of political system that allows this to occur, any civilization is kind of bound to collapse because there's not a, it's not a stable firmament to erect, you know, any sort of, any sort of life upon, really.
00:12:15.540Well, the reason I like Metropolitan Platon's definition, that he stresses the unity.
00:12:58.360Of course, is, he's not referring to himself or the bishops or anything else, talking about the uniformity and doctrine and forms of worship.
00:13:09.580We simply don't speak the same language, literally, and, and, and metaphor.
00:13:13.260Yeah, I, I, I got a couple of, uh, quick question just to make sure that, uh, I and the listeners, um, understand what we are talking about exactly now.
00:13:25.440I mean, the, the, the body of Christ is the church and the church is not the world institution, correct?
00:13:32.180So, the world institution itself is, is basically the domain of the, the priesthood or the priesthood's, uh, point in life, the telos or whatever, is not to be the ruler of the church itself because the church is the body of Christ.
00:13:48.400And the, the, the church is therefore greater than merely the priesthood, but the domain of ruling the states is not the same as, as the priesthood.
00:13:59.080And therefore, those with the calling to rule the state, you know, the, the kings, the, the guardians, so to speak, they are being true to their calling in life, their, their telos or whatever, by, uh, performing this, this more political service.
00:14:16.060And therefore, they are true to the church that is the body of Christ by doing this, because the telos, their meaning in life springs from, uh, God, which is the body of Christ.
00:14:31.040Or am I, uh, out on a trip now, so to speak?
00:14:37.300Um, I, I, but concept of institution has been one of my, my biggest problems in dealing with people.
00:14:42.360Um, Americans, I think, moderns in general have a tendency to think of things.
00:14:49.400Church is, is the bishop, is, is the physical, um, American water church somewhere.
00:14:55.940Not what the, the ancient Orthodox view of things is.
00:15:01.000Roman church, after Gregorian reform, started really stressing the administration being almost separate from, from the body and, and could dispense grace.
00:15:41.100So you could, for example, say then that the, the state church of Sweden isn't really a church because they, I mean, they, they have lesbian bishops.
00:15:56.340So, and, um, one of the, the things that, that, um, when we think about this a lot is actually pre-reading the brothers Caramazo because there, there is a small part, uh, one chapter or so where the brothers is at the monastery, I believe.
00:16:14.380And, uh, Dimitri's article is being discussed about, uh, church courts that the church are going to take over a part of the judicial system.
00:16:24.640And basically, Dimitri's argument here is that this, this is, this is insane because the, the priesthood is not called to be judges.
00:16:36.700They aren't called to be a part of the state apparatus.
00:16:39.000Rather, the, the priesthood should try to connect the state to the birth of Christ because that's basically the priesthood calling.
00:16:48.280So, um, yeah, correct me if I'm, if I'm wrong.
00:16:58.320Um, up until fairly recently, the bishops were elected, uh, by the, by the faithful, you know, the monks, the, the priests, the, the, the faithful, the different parishes.
00:17:06.600Um, the bishop was a product of a monastery.
00:17:10.220You, uh, and then the office of bishop itself is always in a plural.
00:17:18.060It's always a we, because it's not a person.
00:18:13.260Oh, good. Okay, just because there was a little, there's a little, uh, audio cutting in it out there. Excuse me.
00:18:17.740Yeah, so anyway, um, excellent, uh, excellent exposition there, Grieve.
00:18:23.240Now, um, so one of the things is, uh, I think that totally pervasive through the entire, you know, socio-religious political milieu of the West is secularism.
00:18:37.340This is really the dominant paradigm, and this is what everybody defaults back to as the norm from all political systems.
00:18:44.340I mean, I think you would be very, very hard-pressed, I mean, even among, you know, how many Orthodox would, would openly, you know, advocate, um, against secularism, you know, in North America or in Western Europe?
00:18:56.840Not a lot. Not a lot. Not a lot at all. You know, outside of, um, kind of radical traditional Catholics and Orthodox, such as the ones who are on this podcast, uh, there's not really, um, there's not really a lot of discussion there.
00:19:10.600So I guess I wanted to just talk about the, the kind of the origins of the secular idea and how this came to dominate the West's, um, thought, because this, this seems to be an idea which is completely alien, um, to, I mean, every single civilization on the Earth.
00:19:29.280Um, it's really only in the last 300 years, uh, even in the last 200 years since the French Revolution in Western countries that this idea has, has gained any traction at all.
00:19:39.820So I, you know, I wanted to open that up for some discussion.
00:19:47.340Uh, well, I, I think it's, it's interesting that the very word itself is an example of how language has been deformed and mutated and done violently.
00:19:59.280Um, the, the, the, the, the distinction between secular and, uh, I guess you could say, um, religious, at least in the Western context was originally referring to the distinction between, uh, diocesan clergy, between the clergy who, who, who, who attend to the needs of, um,
00:20:29.920who are in the world, who are in the world, and the religious orders who are attending to, uh, the glory of God around the clock.
00:20:38.100Right. I mean, you know, I mean, in the Latin, um, doxological prayer, you know, uh, Gloria a Patria et Filio et Spiritui Sancto, secuterat in principio et nunc et sempre et in secula seculorum.
00:20:52.920I mean, that's where the root word comes from. I mean, it's certainly not at all, as you say, um, it's, it's not a, uh, as you say, it's, it's a bit, it's a mutilated term.
00:21:03.880So I wanted to flip back to you, um, I mean, Raphael. So do you, do you see the origins of secularism kind of as squarely in, you know, the Freemasonic, um, you know, French enlightenment and the French revolution?
00:21:15.400I, I, I, well, as it's most violent manifestation, I think, you know, as everything, it goes back to, to nominalism. Um, you know, when you remove any, uh, there's any meaning or purpose in it at all, all you're left with is will.
00:21:32.180Well, person will define legitimate state as group of people with able to deliver the economic goods.
00:21:45.220They can do that to support anybody. It's just a matter of delivering things onto a basic minimum.
00:21:55.640That's the complete opposite of, of how the ancients understood the state, you know, and today,
00:22:02.040it's even worse than that. It's nothing but the bodyguard of, of capital.
00:22:06.740That's what capital tells them to do because the state can't function for more than the state as administration.
00:22:11.140I mean, more than two minutes without constant infusions of credit from, from the banks.
00:22:18.840Worse than that. It's even worse than the French revolutionary idea.
00:22:21.700But, but the, the enlightenment is based on nominalism.
00:22:26.940Life, when human beings or science, uh, puts a stamp on it and makes it useful for us.
00:22:37.040Right. Yeah. And I mean, this is, this is something that I, that, that kind of, um, I found to be personally, you know, fairly astonishing is that, I mean, why widespread?
00:22:46.640I mean, even in, in traditional religious circles, I mean, there, there's not really, um, there's kind of like a presumption that the state at large, it is as it exists in Western Europe, you know, like represents like legitimate authority and power.
00:23:01.480Um, and I don't, it seemed like a, a cursory history, uh, reading of history.
00:23:07.700I mean, a cursory, you know, examination of, of, of patristic theology.
00:23:11.500I mean, seems to pretty well, I mean, disprove this.
00:23:14.260I mean, as you say, Nisro Seville was, I mean, is, is eminently, you know, stands out eminently among this.
00:23:19.800I mean, cause he was, he was insistent upon the, the idea of, of the common wheel.
00:23:23.420So, and I believe that at the, um, the, the, the center of the council of Toledo or Seville, I can't recall.
00:23:30.020I mean, he, he placed, uh, you know, in the, in the canons of the synod or, or in a speech to one of the, the bi-gothic kings.
00:23:37.420I mean, he explicitly said that it was something to the, the effect of an English.
00:23:41.540It's, uh, you know, um, you are king as long as you are just, as you were not, as you are not just, you are not king or something to that, that extent.
00:23:53.420Yeah, well, Aristotle's idea is that the very definition of tyranny is when authority, not even using the term state, the public authority functions in its own interest.
00:24:17.000And if they make life tolerable for most people, that's what it comes down to.
00:24:20.020I, I got a quick, uh, question, Dr. Johnson, um, couldn't you see the, the state as legitimate only in the sense that it is, uh, a punishment for all the, you know, depravity we've fallen into?
00:24:35.180Well, in the sense that people get the, the state that they deserve, yes.
00:26:25.820Yeah, so, um, what I wanted to establish for our listeners is that the idea of the secular state, where there is this separation between the realm of the religious and then the exercise of political authority, is a, a modern enlightenment innovation.
00:26:44.800Um, and it, it doesn't really, it doesn't exist as far as I can see, as far as I've, you know, studied, and feel free to correct me, anybody, if I'm wrong.
00:26:52.960And it hasn't existed in any other civilization at every, at any other point in history, uh, because it's absurd.
00:26:59.300I mean, how are you supposed to disconnect your highest beliefs about the nature of the universe, uh, its metaphysics, the principles about which it operates on, the goal of your life, your personal ethics that informs your every action, uh, with, you know, your political, uh, activity.
00:27:17.620And what I think is even more critical to emphasize, we've talked about this before on the show, is like the corporate personality, the corporate identity.
00:27:24.840And I think, Dr. Johnson, you've been, you've been very good that, you know, the individual, it doesn't exist, because as you, you correctly point out, I mean, the ego, uh, on its own, you know, I mean, a baby when it's born, you know, if it's left alone, it dies.
00:27:38.100I mean, everybody exists in, you know, the context of, you know, innumerable, uh, interwoven webs of, webs of support systems, uh, of, it's predicated upon, uh, a mass of assumptions that, you know, a baby can even be born and get to the point where they can,
00:27:54.840they can discuss these issues at all to begin with.
00:27:57.680And so one of the things I just wanted to establish into for our listeners is that before, um, the European enlightenment, religion is, was not this, this kind of private individual phenomenon that you keep kind of in your interior life and bring out, out of the box when you go to Sunday with all of the other people that adhere to this religion.
00:28:15.820And then you don't really bring it up in public when you go about your day-to-day life.
00:28:20.820I mean, you, the, the, the ethnicity, I mean, the religion forms like a core part of your, your ethnic, your corporate identity.
00:28:30.660And there is no identity outside of, uh, the corporate, I mean, you know, corporate coming from corporous or body.
00:28:38.780Right. So you're a member of a family, which is a member of, you know, an extended kin group or clan nation.
00:28:45.260You're a member of a religious body, you know, a particular local parish of a particular local church, uh, particular trade guild, um, operating in a certain time and circumstances.
00:28:55.760It's the specificity of your existence that gives it meaning, uh, not the ability to become anything, but the, the fact that you are something in a specific time, place, and context.
00:29:09.200And so I think that it's really important to completely just, just remove from our minds, this idea that religion is this private affair that doesn't really affect, you know, anybody else but ourselves.
00:29:23.300I mean, we can, I mean, prima facie, we can look at, I mean, Islam understands this perfectly.
00:29:29.400And we can look at the interaction of Islam with Western civilization, you know, since its founding of the past, um, you know, 1400 years, uh, you know, 1300 years, you know, I mean, even in the, the, the recent, um, uh, bombings, terrorist attacks that have, that have occurred, which is reading that there was another, there was a shooting today in France.
00:29:48.820You know, I mean, it certainly does not see, it doesn't look at the West as individuals.
00:29:53.460It sees them quite rightly as a corporate identity.
00:29:57.940And so, um, I mean, I'm glad to open this up for further discussion, but I think that it's really, really important that we just completely destroy and deconstruct this idea that, you know, um, what we, what we believe about the highest echelons of reality and what we ought to be doing in our personal code of ethics, like has nothing to do with, with politics.
00:30:18.820In, on the contrary, it has, it has everything to do with politics.
00:30:23.660I mean, uh, free will isn't to do whatever you want.
00:30:26.340It's to do what you're supposed to do.
00:30:29.140I think what's especially galling is that not even the secularists believe that you can separate physics from metaphysics, uh, that you can separate a transcendental vision of the good from how you organize your society.
00:30:48.900Secular humanism itself operates as a religion and scientists are its priests.
00:30:59.080I think that, I think it's a great way of putting that.
00:31:05.560Whether they could, they could, you know, it's a matter of prejudice rather than, uh, any kind of factual, uh, factual thought.
00:31:12.100So, uh, but it goes back to the same concept, um, concept of the secular state was when the Domenici family took over in Florence during the Renaissance.
00:31:22.860Um, and slowly but surely took over the papacy, took over the monasteries.
00:31:32.660Well, wouldn't tell them what to do anymore.
00:31:36.040Not to bother their conscience anymore.
00:31:37.560Wouldn't alert the public to what they were doing.
00:31:39.240Bonarola was that person who did that, and he went to the stake for it.
00:31:46.200Western history, when the banks were starting to take over, the first thing they did was make sure that the church was nowhere to be found.
00:31:53.760They couldn't have, the church was generally more popular than the state was.
00:31:57.600Uh, in England, you know, the secularization of the monastic lands.
00:32:01.500Want these fairly powerful landed, um,
00:35:43.560of the legitimate authority of the state is merely to implement the logos that's inherent in nature through coercive force for the benefit of the common good.
00:46:39.680You would technology and industrialization and everything else that that it has to exist in order for this in order for those things to take place.
00:46:46.380And this is why ancient China never developed cell phones.
00:47:22.740that that's the connection between the state and church is that laws corresponding to natural law in some general sense is a recognition of God's presence.
00:59:52.220And this is what the abomination of the desolation is in the temple is.
00:59:56.780It's not so much that a foreign God is being introduced in the sense that it's a created image.
01:00:02.180It's that the very priests and the builders of the temple who ought to know better and who are in charge of stewarding it are erecting in the place of the living God something of their own creation in their own image that suits their own purposes.
01:00:35.620you're still placing that which gives meaning in something lesser.
01:00:41.980So you're idolizing it and that's retarded.
01:00:46.600Well, that's why I came to a realization long ago that what we call today libertarianism or what we used to call classical liberalism is in fact Luciferian in that it is self-worship.
01:01:02.160It is a creation of an idol out of the individual I, the ego.
01:01:08.220And none of this would be possible of course without the philosophical stance of nominalism as we've said before.
01:42:11.920Yeah, exactly. I mean, plus, I mean, the, the, there's also, we, we created the free will.
01:42:17.880So we have the free will to, the, the human free will, the, the free choice.
01:42:22.860We have the free choice to reject the church.
01:42:25.640Uh, but, but the political movements is there to preserve the nation is to make sure that we don't get, uh, you know, uh, genocide, whether that's through, uh, intermingling with other people or through actual genocide.
01:42:53.340No, it's okay. I mean, I think that, but I think that that's, that's essentially, I mean, absolutely correct.
01:42:57.860And I mean, this is something that, um, you know, I mean, certainly we have not, um, held back what our religious views are, but I mean, I've made a very conscious decision
01:43:05.860to try and not get entangled with, you know, uh, back and forth, you know, drama and bullshit as far as, uh, religion goes, because I don't think that it's politically expedient.
01:43:18.520And I think that, um, you know, we really, uh, we don't have any choice, as you say.
01:43:23.220And that would, that would be kind of my impression as well.
01:43:25.700Um, but, but I mean, you know, and so on the short term, certainly, and even in the medium term to, to achieve the goal of, I mean, of just self-defense and establishing, you know,
01:43:35.860the 14 words and all that, I think that that's, hold on, hold on, I'm going to give it, please.
01:43:42.360But I mean, I would ask you, I mean, seriously, I mean, you know, in the long term, I mean, it doesn't, I mean, how, how can we even begin to, to think about civilizational stability if we don't have, I mean, a, a, a, a firm religious grounding for our, our, our ethnic group?
01:44:01.520Well, our ethnic groups are based on religion.
01:44:03.620Um, the concept of, of the white race, uh, outside of America doesn't make a whole lot of sense because we're deeply divided.
01:44:10.760In America, the, the ethnic conception is, is in decline.
01:44:15.580And there's just a very vague concept of, of whiteness.
01:44:18.840In Europe, you know, the Holy Alliance had three powers, very different religions, but they also have their own geographic location.
01:44:25.080Uh, so we would have to have autonomous institutions, uh, that have to exist in mutual respect.
01:44:32.380And I think that's what my, my, you know, I get along with everybody in this movement, which is rare.
01:44:38.120And I think the reason is, is because I could see the good in, say, the Austrian empire.
01:44:42.400And so Catholics like that with a Protestant empire.
01:44:46.160So Lutherans like that, you know, with the monarchy in Great Britain, uh, for the most part.
01:44:52.500You see the good, you could see the, the natural law.
01:44:54.480You could see the, the, the good things and the humane things that those empires did.
01:44:58.940Uh, you know, so it's just a matter of respect, but we would have to have separate institutions.
01:45:03.460Yeah, plus, I mean, I said, you, you can, you still have the free choice to reject the church.
01:45:08.960You still have the free choice to reject God.
01:45:11.500So this, so you could say that it's wrong to forcefully impose your religion upon others because you still have the free choice to reject it.
01:45:25.020But, you know, I've been in political meetings where there's somebody who is demanding that, you know, um, uh, in my case, it's mostly been Roman Catholics, uh, traditionalists who have refused to cooperate with Protestants and, and, and Orthodox.
01:45:38.880And, and they're, you know, they get kicked out and they destroy, they, they, their own religion loses credibility.
01:45:45.180They hurt themselves and it causes nothing but trouble.
01:47:09.540I mean, we can, we can, we can spurg about those things when we're there.
01:47:12.760But as we're heading to the Gulag, we're concerned with how, what we're going to do when we win.
01:47:16.200Anyway, you were talking about the pagans briefly, Father Eiffel.
01:47:22.640And I mean, from how I see it, much of the, the anti-Christian sentiments about pagans come simply from a, uh, a eros view of what Christianity actually is.
01:47:33.880I mean, here in Sweden, for example, uh, the choices we have is essentially these Pentecostal sects that are basically everywhere.
01:47:41.300Uh, the state church, which isn't really a church.
01:47:45.160I mean, it's just a new age sect at this point with, uh, lesbian bishops and transsexual so-called priests and all that, uh, gobbledgook.
01:47:54.760And, uh, if you know Swedish history, we're not a big fan of the Catholics.
01:47:59.380Um, so when you're faced with this and with a constant whining that the new age Wiccan church here is, uh, doing,
01:48:08.100that we should accept the refugees and how, you know, faggots are created, uh, in the image of God and how faggotry is in the image of God, even, which is heresy.
01:48:18.060Then the only natural thing is to call out what you believe is Christianity to be a religion of a slave morality and cuckoldry.
01:48:27.760Because we have, as a nation, lost Christianity to the degree that everything we have is these sects.
01:48:40.360If it's not Pentecostalism, then it's this new age Wiccanship.
01:48:45.440And if it's not that, then it's papism, which I don't think, uh, combines very good with a Swedish temperament.
01:48:53.040Uh, if, if I may, real quick, um, I just, that slave morality quip that you see all over the place.
01:50:45.020Uh, so, so that's, and the other point I want, I have a paper coming out on this, very long paper coming out on this, is that paganism isn't a religion.
01:50:52.840Uh, these gods and goddesses were never meant to be, uh, taken as real beings.
01:51:52.940We can try to understand it and we can try to use this understanding in a way to try to make the best of it.
01:51:58.560So you have things like sacrifices, which is, was, uh, if I understand the, the thought of it correctly, it's as a way to try to create a sort of balance, like being a sort of physician of nature, if that makes sense.
01:52:09.540I mean, you, you can, you can read a hint of it in, uh, in Plato's Symposium, where he talks about, uh, how, uh, how the physicians do these to try to balance the different, uh, uh, um, uh, temperaments of the body.
02:08:19.100And he's been exposed by going to expensive restaurants, you know, buying lobsters, expensive wines and all this stuff for the money of the union.
02:08:33.360So not his own money, but the union money.
02:08:35.120The union money that's supposed to go to unemployed Swedes to help out in bad situations and all this stuff.
02:08:46.080And another thing I have to realize is that almost all unions in Sweden are controlled by the Social Democratic Party and they have their own agenda.
02:08:53.880And if you do not support the Värdegrund, the Värdegrund, the basic fundamental opinions of the so-called Social Democratic Party, then you are, again, excommunicated.
02:09:44.620With apps of God, a state becomes God.
02:09:47.480And, I mean, this is – we can see it in these trannies, right?
02:09:51.500These trannies transition, and they want to change the legal gender.
02:09:57.680Now, when the state says that, oh, you're a female now, then this depraved, sick, mentally unstable person gets so happy because finally their God recognizes them.
02:10:09.020Finally, the state recognizes them for who they really am.
02:10:12.640And in Sweden, we have – every person has a special number.
02:10:18.240It's their birth date plus four unique numbers.
02:10:23.980And the second last number stands for their gender.
02:10:26.700So if it's even numbers, it's a girl or woman.
02:11:44.040Now, if you've been paying attention, you'll know that we've been talking about this for quite a while.
02:11:49.560And we're going to be talking about it for a long time to come because I'm certain this is the direction the future is going.
02:11:54.920From DailyMail.co.uk, meet Silicon Samantha, AI sex robot that has a functioning G-spot and can switch between, quote, family and, quote, sexy modes.
02:12:13.900I'm looking at this article right now and there's a picture of this hipster nerd and he looks dead in his eyes and he's hugging this inanimate object, this robot.
02:12:24.580Yeah, now, let me just, let me just read this article.
02:12:30.720The AI bot, which has dark brown hair and piercing green eyes, is even capable of, quote, emotional closeness, end quote, according to engineer Sergi Santos from Barcelona.
02:13:22.220Yeah, and I mean, so it's this, I mean, basically this article just exposes what we've been talking about.
02:13:27.620But, I mean, this is what they're going to go, is it's to remove any interaction between the sexual faculty and its intended destination.
02:13:38.860That is to say, you know, real, organic women.
02:13:41.240And this is part of the vicious cycle that they create, right?
02:13:43.460You know, they demonize masculinity, and they demonize femininity in the same wrath.
02:13:48.960And so they turn women into these kind of decadent, masculine sluts.
02:13:53.500So what happens is to fill the market gap, you know, these men, you know, these beta men who are getting kind of pushed out of the pussy game, what happens?
02:15:37.580I don't even know exactly what hermeneutic means, but whatever.
02:15:40.260The point is we still have this mentality, right?
02:15:42.440So, even between men and women rights, so you can't even have like this normal non-sexual relationship both in a friendly sense and in a pre-marriage sense in the same way.
02:16:00.780Because you always have this stiff thought in the back of your head because we're all basically damaged by that this shit is being promoted everywhere.
02:16:09.360So, if we take feminism, for example, I think that at least partly it's a reaction against this.
02:16:16.120They're saying, okay, I don't want this.
02:16:51.800And, you know, and remember the context of that quote was the guy who, Mr. Universe, who ran the media, who they made as Jewish-looking as humanly possible.
02:17:03.720And, you know, there's a reason Nathan Fillion is my favorite actor out there.
02:17:08.120It was the most right-wing movie I've seen in a long time.
02:17:11.260And he goes, yes, he had a sex bot and it was explained and depicted in the most pathetic way.
02:18:07.100And so they were inventing stories about how they were tortured in Syria.
02:18:12.700And these are overwhelmingly Christians, though.
02:18:15.820So we know that Obama had blocked Christians from coming into the U.S. on that basis rather than – in favor of Muslims.
02:18:25.120This guy, angry at that, said, well, the only way we could get Christians in here, the Assyrian Christians rescued, is to lie.
02:18:32.860And that's why there's a Facebook page called I Stand with Robert.
02:18:36.700And they're saying that it's not his fault.
02:18:38.920You know, he was lying because there was such a blatant discrimination against these people because they were Christians.
02:18:44.080But in the process, he was saying that the Ba'ath government was destroying Christianity in the area, which, of course, makes no sense.
02:18:50.280And it was very easy for him to take advantage of the popular ignorance, media manipulation, and saying that, well, they lived in Syria, therefore they lived under a tyrant.
02:19:19.140When I took it, I just thought it was – he was just some leftist wanting to bring as many people over as possible and was lying about their status.
02:19:26.200But as it turns out, what he was doing was rebelling against Obama's de facto ban on Christian asylum seekers.
02:19:35.100And the broader point is, though, is that he was – and he was bribing people as well.
02:19:41.760He was telling these people to lie about what happened to them.
02:19:44.680And if that didn't work, he was giving money to an immigration prosecutor, for example, in Illinois to get them to leave him alone.
02:20:09.420And so I'm not entirely sure what to think about it.
02:20:11.540But – but the point that we can all agree on, though, is that he was just taking advantage of public ignorance and media lies about Syria and Assad.
02:20:21.680I've been praising Assad and his father since my freshman year in college.
02:20:26.380I remember very, very well, long before it became fashionable to do so.
02:20:30.920And the right, of course, attacked me the entire time because they were considered him a socialist and pro-Soviet and everything else.
02:20:35.660But he was dealing with Christians overwhelmingly, and was – so he was telling them to go on the stand and say that, yes, that Assad regime was torturing me and hurting me and raping me and everything else, and that's why I need asylum.
02:20:49.560And so now that he's been convicted, those people will be hunted down and then deported.
02:20:56.400They won't face prosecution themselves, but they will be kicked out of the country.
02:20:59.920So I'm not really sure what to think morally about the guy.
02:21:02.240I mean, it's just – it's – in the projective sense of the term, I mean, it's Byzantine, really.
02:21:09.800I mean, it's this – it's just – yeah, I don't really know what to take away from this one either.
02:21:15.040I mean, the situation is so freaked up, you know, 77 different ways.
02:21:22.000I mean, as you say, I think that's the big takeaway is that this is basically the result of confusion.
02:21:27.920I mean, I think somebody – Catholic recently once said, you know, I mean, wherever there is confusion, you know, there you can find the devil.