In this episode, I discuss the current political situation in the United States, including the election of Donald Trump, and the implications for transhumanism and the future of the world as a whole. Also, we have a special guest on the show to discuss the Kabbalah and the role of God in our salvation.
00:03:17.140Happy Easter to all of my Christian brothers and sisters.
00:03:21.740I want to apologize for not releasing an episode for the last two weeks.
00:03:24.740It's, you know, Pascha and final exams and all this.
00:03:28.340But we should be back to our regular schedule.
00:03:30.860And you should be able to reliably expect reasonable content from us going forwards.
00:03:36.120So before we get into the main subject today, transhumanism, I wanted to address kind of very briefly the current political situation with Donald Trump.
00:03:46.800There's been significant development since I last made a podcast.
00:03:50.380And so for those of you who are not in contact with me, there are other means you might not know my opinion.
00:03:56.800Basically, just to refresh what I've been saying this whole time, liberal democracy was never going to save us.
00:05:10.820I mean, we've talked about this before, before even Trump was elected.
00:05:13.600And we've never really been on the Trump train, so to speak.
00:05:16.560I mean, I remember us talking about different scenarios and what was the best scenario and worst scenario for us.
00:05:23.640And really, this scenario that we have was kind of outside of all of the speculation.
00:05:29.620But thinking about it, I think it may be the absolute best case scenario from our perspective,
00:05:34.840in the sense that Trump was elected and everyone was like excited.
00:05:40.680And, you know, from a certain perspective, that was bad because it made people kind of complacent.
00:05:50.320But then this dramatic, unforeseen flipping around of Trump and him, like, going back on all of his agendas instantly.
00:05:58.760It kind of it's kind of the worst, the most aggressive possible undermining of the concept of voting and democracy imaginable.
00:06:06.860I mean, I've been known to say that the best case scenario is if Trump gets elected and then gets assassinated.
00:06:14.720Because I was like, well, then people will say, oh, that democracy is really a scam and we can't get out of it by voting.
00:06:21.060But even in that case, people might have still said, like, well, maybe if we elect some other guy, maybe he won't get assassinated this time.
00:06:27.320But the fact that he's elected and now, for some reason, he's at some specific moment, he's gone back on everything,
00:06:36.700shows that there's probably actors in the background or pressures that are, like, visible that make it so that all of this voting,
00:06:44.260all of this politics is completely useless and just an illusion, a show of illusion that, you know, we can't really affect.
00:06:53.680So that message, of course, most people, the normies, probably won't understand that, but they don't want to say anything.
00:07:00.640But people who are capable of understanding this, they're understanding it right now.
01:19:54.640That this sort of philosophy appeals to. But rather than directing them towards the cultivation of personal virtue, the striving after of service and transcendence through action in the world, the fulfillment of the divine natural archetypes, you know, by exercising the will in service of the cosmic order in a building up of creation.
01:20:18.260Rather, it inverts it and says that all of the high technology of the universe exists for our personal pleasure. So that we can extend and enhance the fallation of the ego. Right? Because there's no presumption of natural or divine law here. All can be subverted in the name of utility.
01:20:40.880And this is what we get back to again and again and again. And this is why I think it's why I bring it up is because this is what our enemies are trying to do to us as a species is they're trying to totally subvert any conception of natural law, truth, beauty and goodness so that they can overthrow any of the cosmic order that we strive to uphold.
01:21:01.940That's what we're all about here on this podcast. That's what I think hopefully everybody's listening about listening here is about. And so that's what these ideologies are about. That's why they're dangerous. And this is why I think the transhumanism is so existentially threatening and important to address because it's very, very close.
01:21:18.100There is one part that I read recently as well that's pretty interesting. And I think it was Socrates argued that the philosopher wouldn't really have a fear of death, right? Because as we establish fear, death is a separation of the body and the soul rights.
01:21:33.780But what happens if you are practicing a life of philosophy, that is you're trying to gaze at God, you could say. Well, you could see the good in its essence, right? You could see beauty in its very essence and not just the obvious which beauty feels, right? That's the idea at least.
01:21:54.040But let's say you live a super, super, how should I say, super corner life, very sinful. You only value that which is super worldly. You value life for life's sake. You worship power for power's sake. You want money just to be rich, right?
01:22:10.880Then you wouldn't really find any joy in that. You'll be blinded. You can't see it. You can't handle it. You're thirst for the material you want so desperately, but you can't really find it anymore because you don't have the body, right?
01:22:24.060So you just wander around thirsty, begging for some water, so to speak. And let's take it like this, right? This person has willingly abandoned his goal in life.
01:22:37.840So let's say it's kind of like a piece of puzzle, right? He has kind of worn out the thing that will connect him to another piece of the puzzle, right?
01:22:48.900So he can't literally be connected to this other piece of puzzle, right? So he's just left alone. He's drifting away. He can't really love beauty. He can't love goodness. He can't love any of this because he can't really connect to it. He doesn't value it. He doesn't even want to value it.
01:23:05.800And I was going to go to a point with this, but it's very late here, and I can barely think.
01:23:20.100Yeah. So, Ruud and Zeiger, please step in with your comments if they heard you.
01:23:25.800Right. And so, yeah, what I think that this is what they're going for, right, is the introduction of the gender ideology, the transracialism, all of this kind of stuff, right?
01:23:41.840The background of Darwinian evolutionary flux, the idea that there is no set human nature is – I think there's actually like a cabalistic esoteric agenda behind it.
01:23:53.740I don't think that it's just kind of an accident that we see these kind of philosophies because, as we pointed out, they're nothing new.
01:24:01.780They, you know, occur again and again and again throughout history.
01:24:07.040What's going on here is the – I think the technology is going to be used in an attempt to reduce human beings in their masses to this kind of a blank state, this tabula rasa, this einsoff.
01:24:19.400Through environmental conditioning, aided by technology, human nature can be devalued to the point where it can be reconstructed in man's own image.
01:24:29.820The human body can function in a way which is more suitable to man's own ego and the ends that his own ego desires, which is ultimately passion.
01:24:37.780So after the universe is reduced to these building blocks from their preordained nature, their preordained stance, after it's reduced to this kind of gray goo, it's reconstituted, given artificial life in order, in service of an inferior mind to the cosmic mind, which brought all of it into existence.
01:25:02.840Here's a question that we've been thinking about for a while, actually.
01:25:06.280Okay. Couldn't you say that this same mentality could kind of be seen in political messianism, where you just place the ideology as the important thing rather than, how should you put it, God, the church, that which gives existential meaning?
01:25:26.920Because if you just view the ideology in and of itself, even if, let's say, it's full 1488 National Socialism, then how would you really be in a difference?
01:25:37.980Operating systems and, I guess, not software, but hardware?
01:25:43.180Yeah, I don't really have a good answer for that.
01:25:46.040You're probably on to something where, and yes, this is precisely difficult to us because in our modern future, yeah, guess what?
01:25:58.260Death is scary to people because we live in a comfortable reality, which is built on these basic ideas that it's sad when anything that makes you hurt happens.
01:27:41.500Would that include the death of the ethnicity?
01:27:44.500Well, okay, but we can't, like, okay, if we want to discuss theologically, like, the meaning of death and our confrontation of this, that's a really, really big topic.
01:27:58.240Death is, really, could be its own two-and-a-half-hour podcast.
01:28:02.020So, I mean, that's too large to get into here.
01:28:06.600What I wanted to just emphasize is that these ideas, you know, the philosophical interpinnings here are not new, right?
01:28:12.960And we've seen these come up again and again and again over – when we examine, you know, these different occult and enlightenment philosophies which blossom out of these ways of thinking, we find these patterns of thought reoccurring.
01:28:28.120The idea of the secret knowledge or the secret technique, the quantification of all of the universe in order to serve man's needs.
01:28:35.980That man's own titanic will and his manipulation of the secret knowledge which he has acquired through, you know, the will of power will allow him to transcend his own ultimately meaningless human limitations.
01:28:50.240This is the narrative over and over and over again that we always see.
01:28:54.340And this is the thing, and this is – is that when we oppose our enemies ideologically, politically, when we oppose these impositions upon our society, we're opposing the whole worldview that stands behind it.
01:29:06.740And as we've been saying at Mysterium Fashis over and over, it's like you can't just have politics.
01:29:17.280You need to be grounded in the transcendent, in ethics, in religion, all of these things in order to be able to counter – to effectively counter our enemies.
01:29:27.760Because they understand this, and their ideologies are totally wrapped up in all of these things, even if it's implicit.
01:29:35.180And if we don't explicitly examine it, ultimately it's just going to be filled in for us.
01:29:41.080And that's – that's – kind of – maybe this kind of addresses what your point is, is that like, you know, we're not – you know, ideology is not our god.
01:30:26.420I think I was getting your thing, Riva, is that when we begin to skew from this worldview, this, you know, healthy, integrated, multifaceted way of being, you know, you get into what Hans was talking about.
01:30:41.080Where, you know, you start to get into this political messianism.
01:32:15.360And I had disagreements and I had discussions with powerful, powerful theological people whom I respect greatly and they kept on saying everything I talk about is politics, this and that.
01:32:28.940Politics is always the exercise of force and it is imperative that we remember that.
01:32:34.800Everything involved in politics is what are you willing to see happen and how much of your blood or sweat are you willing to see that done?
01:32:55.360I mean, in the case of Sweden, if you had an occupying army that came in and then that forced people to behave differently and to, you know, learn different values, I mean, they would do it.
01:33:08.720Force, even in religion and spirituality, I mean, you can use force to convert a population to a different spiritual outlook and it's been done many times in the past.
01:33:19.260Force, even in the past, ultimately, it's a question of who has the will to do it.
01:34:14.980And as long as we're on this earth, everything that we do spiritually has a physical component in light, vice versa.
01:34:21.540And so, you know, this is what we're just trying to entreat our listeners is to understand that, you know, our enemies are doomed to failure because they don't understand this.
01:34:32.660Or rather, they do understand this and they subvert it on purpose.
01:34:35.500And because they subvert it, they're going to lose because they're going against the rules of the game, so to speak.
01:36:41.840This is just a particularly pugnacious and refined manifestation of a very, very, very old battle.
01:36:51.560The fact that 2,000 years ago, we had the same template for the subject we're discussing today, widespread and fought against by the church fathers.
01:37:00.740You know, saying, here, and I pray for us, attests to this fact that we are dealing with these same issues.
01:37:06.680It's just that in the modern time, technology allows them to be exponentially refined.
01:37:13.740And so that they can become much more instructive and ideas can be spread virally and so on.
01:37:18.260Indeed, you know, this is how I'm speaking to you right now.
01:37:20.820Now, you're going to listen to this recording over the Internet, right?
01:37:25.120And so, but this, I just, but really, just stay focused on what is in your power to change.
01:37:32.020Don't, you know, don't let yourself be blackpilled by all this news.
01:37:34.680You know, whether Donald Trump pulls out of NAFTA or not, it's not going to affect, you know, your own struggle against your passions, right?
01:37:42.760And your own duty to try and, you know, establish your family and raise them well and contribute to your community and your society and, right, try to break away from the state apparatus and so on.
01:37:52.340And so it's just, please, don't get wrapped up in vanity and foolishness.
01:38:03.320It's a temptation, especially when, I know many of our listeners here, you know, we, you know, politics in the news becomes a, you know, a serious hobby.
01:38:12.240More than just a hobby, you know, it's a way of life.
01:38:14.420We devote ourselves to this because it's meaningful existentially.
01:38:17.360Because the results of our actions collectively will determine the success of failure of our race on this continent and in Europe.
01:38:25.980And so, you know, it's very, very important what we're doing.
01:38:29.880But it must be, you know, but we cannot get caught up in the temptation, you know, to, you know, just to invest our whole ego and our whole emotional state in the news cycle.
01:38:44.140But in the comings and goings of parliamentary politics, it's kind of bringing it back to the beginning of the show.
01:38:52.380It's just, it's like, oof, just take heed, take heed.
01:39:03.480So, I think we kind of come full circle.
01:39:04.920The kind of, we're going to, I want to talk a little bit about the religious elements just right before we finish on the subject.
01:39:14.340And we'll talk about, you know, potential positives of transhumanism.
01:39:17.100Because obviously today we've spent most of our time talking about how shitty it is.
01:39:21.200Now, one of the things that I wanted to emphasize was that transhumanism is fundamentally, it's a philosophical proposal, rather not philosophical, it's a soteriological proposal.
01:39:35.060It's basically how will humans save themselves from corruption and death using technology.
01:39:40.080Right. And so, it promises, it makes this, this apocalyptic commitment.
01:39:47.720It says that human beings will, we will get to the point where we have, you know, this technological singularity.
01:39:53.080Where AI supercomputers are able to increase the rate of our sophistication and resource extraction exponentially.
01:40:02.580We'll get to, we'll go to, you know, zero point energy and unlimited resources and, you know, infinite technology.
01:40:38.520But, you know, it promises this process, you know, through suffering, basically, through ascetic warfare, through the emulation of the life of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit and all that.
01:41:22.540Well, yeah, I mean, it really depends on your view of, you know, what's the meaning of love and stuff like that.
01:41:31.560So, of course, from a Christian perspective, it's obviously not positive in any way.
01:41:39.980And from my perspective, it's not positive either, for the most part.
01:41:44.840Like I've said earlier, I do think that there is a potential.
01:41:49.840It's like, it's a question of equilibrium points.
01:41:52.020I think that the human experience can have kind of equilibrium points where the technology is kind of in harmony with both our environments and our natures.
01:42:08.080And we can live meaningful, sustainable existences.
01:42:13.020Like, for example, probably living simple countryside agricultural existences is probably one of those plateaus where, you know, it's sustainable and it's possible to be healthy, both spiritually and physically at that level.
01:42:30.520I think, obviously, at the current level, it's not sustainable.
01:42:34.380It's very unhealthy and going in the direction of this transhumanist thing is only amplifying this imbalance and this, you know, headlong frenzy towards self-destruction.
01:42:51.640But I do think it's possible to have, you know, a higher plateau where we could live balanced existences.
01:43:02.120But it's not really possible to imagine at this point.
01:43:11.540I think that this insane technology progress that we, I don't know, install CPUs in our brain.
01:43:17.860I think this technological progress, the technological power in and of itself is by its very nature so powerful as to completely overpower human weaknesses and to enslave these human weaknesses for this desire of power.
01:43:33.380Therefore, you can't really escape this desire for power.
01:43:36.920And therefore, it is in itself a bad thing.
01:43:41.860It's a sort of satanic temptation, you could say.
01:44:16.860So, it's a kind of, the social structure is kind of medieval and balanced over thousands of years.
01:44:27.420And they've done that by banning computers and only having manual tools, basically.
01:44:32.880And, you know, I'm not saying that that's what we need to do.
01:44:34.960I'm just saying that there are potentially ways to use high technologies without destroying our society and sabotaging the spiritual value of our existence.
01:44:47.820But that requires wisdom that obviously we don't have at this point.
01:44:52.480Yes, that's the critical, yes, that's the critical, the criticalizing factor.
01:44:55.100And the reason we don't have that wisdom is because the worst elements of society are at the top, while the best elements of society, the people who could potentially have wisdom, are at the bottom and are completely disempowered.
01:45:08.140So, obviously, it's not going to happen right now.
01:45:10.520Any innovation that exists or that happens now will be put in the service of evil.
01:45:17.980So, it doesn't have to be this way, but it's going to be this way for the foreseeable future.
01:45:25.220Okay, so, okay, let me see if I understand you correctly then.
01:45:28.520You propose a sort of technological aristocracy.
01:45:31.920No, I think that what Ziger is just trying to say is that, you know, technology is a neutral thing.
01:45:39.620It would, if we had a rational society, like, let's, you know, space Nazis or whatever, we had, like, a serious civilization that was run by people with, you know, a sense of, with wisdom and sanity and order in mind, the common good, that we could reach a healthy equilibrium that, you know, with high technology that's conductive to the values that we want to see, right?
01:46:06.800Yes, but that's the thing, you could say that about everything, but it doesn't work anyway.
01:46:11.800No, well, if you take that attitude, then you would be in favor of banning hammers, because hammers are also a tool, and they can also lead to, you know, a damaging of the social fabric, depending on how you use it.
01:46:26.320Yeah, but the difference is that the hammer, by its own nature, doesn't have the same power as transhumanists, I don't know, cyborgs.
01:46:35.560Yeah, exactly. So, therefore, the hammer gives a power, which, in its very nature, is adapted to the human.
01:46:42.680Right, well, but this is, yeah, I understand what you're saying, but it doesn't matter.
01:46:46.380It doesn't matter. We're in the titanic age, so we can't, we can't ignore these problems, right?
01:46:52.180And, you know, what I'm saying is, if we use the example of nuclear weapons, right?
01:46:55.900You know, so, if we, you know, nuclear weapons, we cannot avoid the reality of them.
01:47:04.580I know Zyger has some interesting ideas on this, but if we just assume that they exist, it's not a big psyop, you know, we can't just, you know, wish that we didn't, these weapons didn't exist because of their terrible power and potential for the destruction of the Earth's surface.
01:47:18.740We have to just grapple with this existential threat and move on, and it might even mean that we have to have, you know, our own nuclear weapons.
01:47:27.520Now, I'm not saying that we should, you know, adopt transhumanism so we can beat up leftists or whatever, right?
01:47:34.120But I'm merely pointing out that there can be rational application of high technology, which is what I think Zyger is saying as well.
01:47:41.520Yeah, I mean, we can go back in the past, I think it was about 500 years ago in France, some inventor came up with a way of having a fully automatic crossbow, which basically worked like a machine gun.
01:47:56.520And he brought that to the king of France, I don't remember which one it is, and he had the guy executed and the machine destroyed because he thought, you know, that would have a very negative effect on the social, you know, the nature of warfare and the social equilibrium and things like that.
01:48:18.520So it's just an example of even back then with primitive technology compared with anything we have today, you can still make devices and techniques that would be extremely destructive to the way that society works.
01:48:33.620And if you don't have wisdom, you're lost.
01:48:38.180I mean, you could go back to like Stone Age level.
01:48:41.520And I'm sure that if you're creative enough, and if you have knowledge enough, you could come up with Stone Age level tools and techniques or knowledge that would be extremely destructive.
01:48:51.380For example, if you think about techniques, fire can be hypnosis.
01:49:00.060And if everyone is very good at hypnosis, maybe that's a knowledge that would be socially destructive.
01:49:06.860And, you know, if you go back to a few thousand years ago, people who knew hypnosis and like openly talked about it, you know, these people were persecuted and sometimes killed.
01:49:18.680So I don't think that there's any way to say, oh, you know, we can then, you know, you can't, you can't say that hypnosis is a very simple technique.
01:49:28.720But it's not like high tech, but it can still, you know, have socially destructive impacts.
01:49:34.940There's no way to like put an arbitrary bar somewhere at a certain level of technology and say, you know, if we don't go beyond this level of sophistication, like electricity or whatever, we're safe.
01:51:03.900Just to kind of end on a little bit more of a positive note, just with the technologies that, yeah, you know, there are, you know, massive positives to biotechnology.
01:51:19.160You know, obviously the ability to restorative medicine is, you know, an obvious and huge component, right?
01:51:24.900That, you know, people who are crippled or who, you know, suffer from a debilitating illness through the application of technology can be restored to the fullness of life.
01:51:34.000You know, that war vets, you know, could actually, you know, in exchange for their service, even if they're wounded grievously, could live a reasonable life.
01:51:43.540You know, you know, could have lost organs and limbs replaced.
01:51:47.220You could even have, you know, nervous structures, nerve endings and these sort of things recreated.
01:51:56.340The, you know, for women, mothers, the one that's suggested a lot is with the artificial womb, that like early births, right, could be gestated artificially in these wombs.
01:52:13.020And new life could be brought to fruition that normally would have perished.
01:52:17.740And that's not always a good thing, because as we know, corruption has an important kind of eugenic effect upon society, right?
01:52:26.160Suffering tends to keep us honest, right?
01:52:29.660Extreme suffering tends to keep us extremely honest.
01:52:33.900Because we can't ignore the reality of human corruption.
01:52:37.640These hard limits of the cosmic order serve as strong rebukes to our own personal delusions.
01:52:44.680And so there is, this is one of the problems that we run into, as Sager suggested, is that whenever we have this, whenever we can separate the human condition from the natural environment radically with technology, we run the risk of decadence.
01:52:59.640Because of human beings' tendency towards corruption, if we don't have any checks that bring us back to reality constantly, we need it all the time, you know, we will descend into madness, into delusion, and ultimately die.
01:53:14.640Yeah. So, ultimately, I think the wise application of science and technique and knowledge is not in, it's ultimately in allowing us to live in more hostile environments.
01:53:31.220Like, extreme, like, far north, underwater, in space, in other planets, and things like that.
01:53:38.560Not in making our lives in our current environment easier, but rather in, like, expanding the domain of possibilities for humanity, but not making our lives easier.
01:53:49.480So, that's how I can conceive that technology can be good in that sense.
01:54:13.460So, keeping it topical, there was a piece of Kali Yuga News recently that was extremely, extremely pertinent to our discussion today.
01:54:23.180So, I'll begin with this one from Russia today.
01:54:26.700Artificial wounds successfully passed first test.
01:54:30.720Human trials could begin within three years.
01:54:34.220Scientists have successfully developed and tested an artificial womb capable of supporting prematurely born lambs for periods of up to four weeks in a landmark development that could dramatically reduce the risks posed by premature births in humans.
01:54:48.140Lambs born at the equivalent of 23 weeks into the human gestation period have been kept alive in a transparent vessel, or bio bag, that serves as both a womb and an incubator for periods of up to four weeks after their initial premature birth.
01:55:02.660The research was conducted by a team of doctors and scientists led by Alan Flake, a fetal surgeon at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.
01:55:09.500The team's findings were published in the journal Nature on Tuesday.
01:57:28.140But legitimately, there are, like, feminist scholars who have written, you know, lengthy diatribes against, you know, sexbots and transhumanism.
01:57:36.220And these sort of artificial wound technologies.
01:57:38.120Because they realize that it removes their sexual marketplace value control over men, right?
01:57:44.780Is that when, you know, when the pussy power is gone, to be vulgar, you know, women lose a lot of their coercive ability over men.
01:57:55.120Yeah, it's just straight, straight up, right?
01:57:57.620You know, and so that's the thing is, like, if guys are already opting to jerk off to 2D anime porn, and, you know, instead of dating actual women,
01:58:07.320because of their own iniquity and the garishness of, you know, the modern thought, right?
01:58:12.700And how much more will the coming class of technocratic elite prajeet needs desire to have their Japanese schoolgirl, you know, lowly waifu with their premium frozen female eggs to fertilize, right?
02:00:36.340The rat worm has long been prevalent in parts of Asia and the Caribbean.
02:00:42.900The first human case of the disease was recorded in Taiwan in 1944, but only recently has it been identified routinely in the United States, including in Hawaii, California, Alabama, Louisiana, Florida, and elsewhere along the Gulf Coast.
02:01:00.960So, it's a worm infection introduced into North America through globalization, said Peter Hotez, the dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylard College of Medicine.
02:01:12.240Hmm, some suggest that it's due to snails or slugs in the ship ballasts, ships coming from Asia and going through the Panama Canal.
02:01:22.740Transmission to humans often occurs when people eat intermediate hosts.
02:01:26.960A tiny, translucent slug might be imperceptible on a leaf of lettuce that wasn't adequately washed, for example.
02:01:34.240Even the slime left behind by an infected slug carries a transmission risk.
02:02:07.180Minar described her pain for the disease as worse than childbirth, saying it feels like somebody opens up the top of my head, sets a hot iron inside my brain, and then pushes the steam button.
02:04:27.780The system has created a situation where we're very weak and very vulnerable.
02:04:34.780The, the, the environmental pressure of having, uh, expensive energy means that we become robust and tough, you know, to adapt to that situation.
02:04:45.120But cheap energy makes us weak and, um, you know, very vulnerable.
02:05:49.720So, the kind of, feeding right into this, the next article I wanted to cover was, uh, from Russia Today.
02:05:56.160Agricultural mega-merger could make China leading GMO producer.
02:06:02.260A $43 billion takeover deal that would merge Chinese state-owned agriculture company ChemChina and Swiss-owned seed company Syngenta is expected to turn the world's second largest economy into a biotech titan.
02:06:16.120In recent weeks, the deal has been approved by EU and U.S. authorities.
02:06:20.980Once closed, it will be China's biggest overseas acquisition.
02:06:24.440It will create the world's largest farm business oligopoly, concentrating agricultural power in the hands of the three countries, the U.S., Germany, and China.
02:06:34.140Now, yeah, so basically, this is, um, I think this is, you know, this is important on many, many, many different levels.
02:06:43.820On the one hand, it demonstrates very eloquently, um, the nature of globalization, where, you know, international food production begins to be monopolized by,
02:06:52.520they use this interesting, the, uh, oligopoly, the oligopoly, the, the food production begins to be monopolized by the oligopoly.
02:07:02.300And so, you know, national sovereignty is, by definition, removed.
02:07:06.780I mean, because if you're beholden to somebody else for your bread, people to starve, you know, you're not autarkic, obviously, you know, they can do whatever they want to you, right?
02:07:14.740But more than that, you know, we, there's also the element of biotechnology as well, the, these kind of, um, you know, plant-based resources.
02:07:21.960You know, we see this a lot in the United States with, with Monsanto and these other, um, biotech corporations where they're trying to, um, like, copyright the intellectual capital, you can call it that, like, for seeds.
02:07:35.940Like, they try to copyright seeds and clamp down on genetic capital that's available for, for farmers.
02:07:42.360Yeah, I, I heard a funny story about that, by the way.
02:07:44.600If you, uh, as a farmer, has this little GMO seed that, um, blows with the wind and cannot lands on your ground, that's a sort of copyright infringement.
02:07:57.400And basically, you'll get sued and lose your farm.
02:08:02.120There's, um, some interesting documentaries about this in the United States where there's these crazy scenarios where, um, you know, farmers will be recycling their seeds as you might expect them to do.
02:08:12.680And, you know, if they have one, um, you know, copyright Monsanto GMO seed, they can be sued hundreds of thousands of dollars because they violated their contract that they signed when they bought the seed.
02:08:23.800Even if they never, the farmer who's recycling the seed never bought from Monsanto, right?
02:08:28.520The seed blew into their, their, um, their field somehow, right?
02:08:46.580If you can control these basic building blocks of human life, this, the, the, the genetic capital of our agriculture, then you can, um, you have an enormous, enormous amount of control over human activity.
02:09:00.100Because, you know, even beyond oil, you know, food is our, our, our core energy, right?
02:09:03.880We need it for personal activity and living.
02:09:05.560And so if you have this, this, this grip on that production, right?
02:09:11.100Then obviously you have, uh, a terrible and, uh, in great power.
02:09:15.900Still, I mean, what, what's the worst case in art could happen, right?
02:09:19.980The, uh, sort of this, this insanely titanic totalitarian anti-Christian system take over.
02:09:26.040Or you do not take its marks or you starve to death.
02:09:29.140And, well, then you're in heaven, right?