Mysterium Fasces

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00:01:42.880 Welcome to Mysterium Fashies, episode 27, Collectivism.

00:01:48.320 I'm your host, Florian Geyer.

00:01:51.080 Joining me today are my co-hosts, Greva Hans.

00:01:54.320 Greva, thank you for joining us.

00:01:56.200 Good to be here.

00:01:57.100 Destinal Sticks.

00:01:57.820 And Doc Savage.

00:01:59.860 Doc, thanks for joining us.

00:02:01.800 Very glad to be here.

00:02:03.020 Ave Christus Rex.

00:02:04.140 Yeah, it's good to have you boys back in again for another exciting and fresh episode of Mysterium Fashies.

00:02:09.900 Before we get into the topic for today, which is collectivism or socialism, if you'd like,

00:02:14.240 I wanted to just urge and remind our listeners that they should all go donate for the Daily Stormer Defense Fund over at WeSearcher.

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00:02:25.900 And they don't get the money until you fulfill the whole donation limit.

00:02:31.080 So they need the $150,000 before all of the money is released into their possession.

00:02:35.760 To defend them against the completely fraudulent SPLC lawsuit, which is essentially trying to sue Daily Stormer for exposing extortion.

00:02:45.620 So it's a matter of justice, a matter of free speech, a matter of your own short and long-term interest to make sure that Daily Stormer is able to adequately defend themselves against the SPLC.

00:02:58.040 For those of you who are not aware, the way American common law works is that once a case has been ruled in, once there's been a ruling made in a case in a certain situation, that becomes precedent.

00:03:10.980 So in future instances, when the court is presented with similar cases, the judge will go back and look at the precedent of the case to determine how to make his ruling or how to sentence depending on the verdict of a jury.

00:03:21.820 And so if Andrew Anglin loses to the SPLC in relation to the Tanya Gersh case, because readers of Daily Stormer saw the extortion that she was doing and then decided to make their, you know, make themselves known vociferously,

00:03:41.380 then that means basically that all of that category of free speech can be legitimately suppressed by the court.

00:03:47.640 So I do this little explanation just to demonstrate to Americans how important this is for us to support.

00:03:57.940 Daily Stormer is the number one propaganda arm of National Socialism, the far right in the English language, by far, by far.

00:04:07.140 I don't know, Doc and Hans, you wanted to say anything about that.

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00:04:26.740 Yeah, exactly. And I know some guys that wanted to donate to Mysterium. Please donate to this fund instead.

00:04:31.560 You know, again, shout out to the guy. He made a donation in the name of the show. So God bless you, bud.

00:04:38.460 Hans, anything you want to say?

00:04:40.400 Not really, no.

00:04:41.340 Okay, excellent. So let's get into our main show topic for today.

00:04:46.360 So that's collectivism or socialism.

00:04:48.440 So the topic comes up because, you know, when we say here at the podcast that we are national socialists, oftentimes there is confusion on what we mean when we say socialist as a national socialist.

00:05:03.360 So I'll begin and then just to give it, you know, give it to Doc and Hans.

00:05:06.720 Be very, very clear up front.

00:05:08.780 Socialism does not necessarily mean Marxism.

00:05:12.860 But in the 19th and 18th century especially, the word socialism meant any system of governance that was predicated upon the desire of the common good as the goal of the state.

00:05:28.580 So the success of the social polity of the social group and their good, the common good, the good of the commons, would be the governing axis of the state rather than securing individual rights or individual good.

00:05:45.200 And so this was later hijacked by Marxism and became associated with Marxism as an economic system.

00:05:50.860 Right. So the Marxist socialist economic system is a government where the means of production are monopolized by the state for the workers.

00:06:05.100 Right. That's the definition.

00:06:07.560 And so I don't believe, you know, to be very, very, it's very easy to say, you know, I don't think anybody here believes in that.

00:06:12.500 No, but I don't believe in the means of production being expropriated by the government and monopolized in the name of the worker.

00:06:19.160 I believe in free markets, and I think Doc and Hans do as well.

00:06:22.460 But I think what we believe is in a society where governance is oriented towards the common good.

00:06:30.360 So please, gentlemen, I'd open it up.

00:06:32.240 Here's the opening remarks.

00:06:33.440 I mean, just to get, you know, it's not so difficult to address it.

00:06:37.160 But Florian, I mean, it's right there in the name.

00:06:39.680 It's socialism.

00:06:40.460 Right.

00:06:41.660 That's the same thing as communism.

00:06:43.140 Exactly.

00:06:43.780 I don't see the difference.

00:06:45.040 What's the difference?

00:06:46.360 I oppose all collectivism.

00:06:48.120 I'm a cool, right-wing, Republican, libertarian.

00:06:52.480 Are we going full on us ball right now?

00:06:54.700 No.

00:06:55.300 But this is the thing, right?

00:06:56.440 And you run into this a lot among more blue-pilled, you know, kind of right-wing, especially American normies or people who are historically illiterate.

00:07:04.780 Right.

00:07:04.980 And they say, wow, socialism, communism, very little difference between the two.

00:07:08.760 Non-understanding that there is Marxian and non-Marxian socialism.

00:07:16.300 And that, you know, the...

00:07:17.760 Isn't this kind of, I don't know, obvious stuff, really?

00:07:23.980 I mean, Hitler wasn't the Marxist.

00:07:25.700 That's kind of obvious.

00:07:26.480 We don't live in an obvious world.

00:07:28.300 We live in a world of uncertainty and confusion.

00:07:31.060 So here's the thing.

00:07:32.340 Where a lot of this right on the face of it, it's right in the word error comes from is that most people have no idea about the actual history, the actual reality of what national socialism was like in Germany.

00:07:47.900 It is extraordinarily simple to refute in a single sentence, and that is that during the war, during the Second World War, national socialist Germany had a higher percentage of its economy devoted to consumer goods than any of the allies it was fighting against.

00:08:11.000 And yet we're supposed to believe that national socialism is government controlling everything and means of production centralized and yada, yada, yada.

00:08:22.920 Yeah, yeah, planned economy and so on. 0.97

00:08:24.640 It's ridiculous.

00:08:26.760 And this is one of the things that is, I think economic literacy is important, and I think economic issues are necessary to talk about and necessary to discuss.

00:08:36.240 But as E. Michael Jones mentioned last week, economics is a moral science.

00:08:41.000 And so it's always going to be subservient to the particularity of a governing system that's in pursuit of the common good that are dependent upon geographic and temporal factors.

00:08:51.520 So an economic system for a national socialist government or any government that seeks to follow natural law ought to be tailored to the people that they're trying to govern over rather than some abstract principles of profit generation.

00:09:05.400 Because there are, even to put it in economic terms, there are subjective goods and values that, you know, usurp money, usurp maven and greed.

00:09:16.340 So we'll get into that in a bit.

00:09:17.980 But yeah, basically, it's just the, you pointed out very eloquently, Doc, that in the national socialist state in Germany, a very significant component of the industry was going towards manufacturing consumer goods.

00:09:34.460 That's because Adolf Hitler, when he was rising to power, took money from the industrialists to support his, to support his campaigning and to support his rise to power. 0.76

00:09:46.200 Because the industrialists knew that Adolf Hitler would be the one that would restore public order to the state. 0.87

00:09:53.880 And he knew that probably he would protect them from being expropriated by the communists.

00:09:58.720 Right?

00:09:58.900 And it's an important caveat.

00:10:01.320 I mean, not a lot of people know this.

00:10:02.460 Even many national socialists don't talk about this a lot.

00:10:04.900 But yes, Adolf Hitler was funded in his rise to power by the industrialists in Germany.

00:10:12.940 I believe, was it Krupp that was a large contributor?

00:10:15.980 I wouldn't speak specifically on names, but I think Krupp was a big contributor.

00:10:20.420 You know, and so there are some people, like, that try to take this and say, you know, okay, well, this means that Adolf Hitler was like a shill for, you know, the oligarchs.

00:10:28.320 You know, he was a shill for, for Zogg, basically, even though he didn't know it. 0.67

00:10:32.780 And he was being used as part of a false controlled dialectic, you know, in Europe.

00:10:38.320 And I, you know, I don't buy this, frankly.

00:10:41.480 I think that, you know, you can, you can know people by the fruits, right?

00:10:46.580 And so Adolf Hitler produced a very, very good state. 0.85

00:10:48.940 But what's more, look at what conflict that he brought about through his political agenda.

00:10:54.260 So I'm just, anyway, that's kind of a tangent, but it's important to, to get into these things because I did not know that fact until I looked closely into the issue.

00:11:07.460 And we have to be, be out in the open about these, these things.

00:11:10.640 Now, so back to what, what do we mean, you know, so we believe in socialism.

00:11:15.220 And please, I would invite Doc or Hans to jump in, to speak on, on their own views as to what socialism means.

00:11:21.720 But I think I can speak fairly generally.

00:11:23.940 So socialism, as we've said, is where the, not just the economy, but all aspects of governance and executive authority are directed towards securing the common good.

00:11:37.900 But what the, this sort of governing style is non-unlimited.

00:11:45.360 And what that means is that, you know, we don't say, well, who do, what group of people are we going to secure the common good for?

00:11:50.620 Well, that's what the nationalist part means.

00:11:52.300 Because we say the ethnic group, that we can't, we can't have a government that acts as like a welfare officer, as a protection agency for every human being, you know.

00:12:00.660 So it has to be based on something that's, that's real.

00:12:02.580 And so what's real is language, what's real is history, is blood, is geography, right?

00:12:10.860 These are the things that, that bind people together in reality, right?

00:12:15.880 And so this is the natural establishment out of which governance emerges from, law and order emerge from these groups of mutually intelligible interacting folk groups.

00:12:27.800 And that's what forms the core of the nation.

00:12:29.880 So please, Doc and Hans, if you want to go.

00:12:34.840 Well, yeah, so I would say that in this context, what we mean by socialism is simply what before the, say, the 18th century would have been just called good sense, plain, plain political economy.

00:12:53.720 Uh, it, it wasn't really until that individualism was accepted as a metaphysical stance that you could speak of, uh, a, a political economy that was divorced from a common good.

00:13:07.300 Um, so there's that, uh, specific policies will depend upon specific circumstances.

00:13:15.660 Um, but the principle at play is, you know, um, uh, we have to look out for, um, not just, um, the needs of producers, not just for the needs of consumers as classes, but for the needs of the whole people.

00:13:39.700 And, and, and not just their wealth or their safety, but their, their health and their spiritual well-being, well-being, this is a, this is a holistic view of the world.

00:13:52.820 Right. Exactly. And so this is, um, this was just the, I mean, if you look at, at ancient history, this is the, the basic understanding of any statecraft or governance of any system is that you have, you're responsible for the welfare of your constituency and ensuring the, the good order and conduct of the people under your domain.

00:14:16.820 domain. And so, um, that's not what to say. That's not what was fulfilled in many cases in history, but that was the underlying, uh, assumption of most rulers was that this was their job.

00:14:30.200 Now, Doc points out that when individualism is introduced as a legitimate ideology and metaphysic and anthropology, um, you know, in the West, there was a shift towards, away from that model as statecraft, where the, especially with the,

00:14:46.820 with, um, enlightenment individualism, securing, um, one's own individual rights or the rights of a household, um, became much more important. Um, and that's where we start to see the, the, the sort of splits and Mark, well, with Marxism arising as kind of part of that, you know, individualist, collectivist, dialectic.

00:15:08.120 And so this is, I guess, what we've come to refute is that we're not, you know, we're not on this, this dialectic, both the individual and the collective, the group and, uh, the personal are important and necessary for the functioning of any healthy society.

00:15:21.680 Um, but the truth of the matter is that, you know, the, the individual does not exist on his own. Every individual has a parent, our parents, you know, if, even if his parents give birth to him and he's left alone, a baby will die.

00:15:34.760 And so there's always a context in which people are born and raised and come into the world, a background, geography, history, you know, economics, culture, religion.

00:15:45.780 These things color us inevitably. They must. Um, that's the sort of, uh, world that we're living in.

00:15:51.860 Um, but at the same time, any, if civilization is built on individuals and the actions of individuals, um, and when, when it's, uh, measured up against a group background, so to speak.

00:16:05.820 So this is the thing is, uh, that's what the position of national socialism is, or these kind of third positionism is that we, we don't need one or the other, that they both have a place in terms of the organic whole.

00:16:19.280 Um, and we don't have to, uh, select one to the exclusion of the other.

00:16:25.680 Yeah, that's, that's an important distinction you're making there.

00:16:31.480 You know, when we, when we speak of, of, um, the common good, uh, we're not speaking of a sort of abstract collectivism like you will find in, uh, Marxian socialism.

00:16:46.540 Uh, we're speaking of particular peoples, particular communities, particular ethnoi, right?

00:16:55.660 Particular languages, religions, faiths, um, communions, uh, kin groups, uh, these are, these are organic wholes, uh, that have, um, that have a reality, uh, that is concrete rather than abstract.

00:17:16.540 And, um, and, and, and, and that's an important distinction to make.

00:17:22.200 I'll say that again.

00:17:24.760 Yeah, exactly.

00:17:25.800 And I mean, it's not difficult to understand.

00:17:27.960 I mean, we can think about this on the level of a household.

00:17:30.960 Um, you know, in a household, you run it for the good of the entire community.

00:17:36.420 You know, if you, if the father tries to run the household just for his own personal individual good, um, obviously, you know, nobody's going to have a good time.

00:17:43.800 But if you, if the household is run kind of in a manner where the, you know, the mystical platonic form of the family is what's, you know, being provided for and the actual individual needs of the members, the constituents are left abandoned.

00:17:59.220 Then nobody's going to have a good time either.

00:18:01.920 Both are going to produce dissatisfaction, harmony, and so on.

00:18:06.040 And that's not the goal of good governance.

00:18:07.980 The goal of governance itself is to produce order.

00:18:10.420 And beyond not just a false order, an order produced by violence, uh, imposition of some sort of, um, artificial regime from above, but an order that's harmonious, where all of the parts of the organism work together for their mutual existence, their flourishing, uh, eudaimonia is the term in Greek.

00:18:29.620 So, essentially, the whole ideology is common sense, right?

00:18:36.840 Yes.

00:18:38.380 It's not common these days.

00:18:40.540 But that's the thing, it's to say...

00:18:41.620 Common sense isn't common.

00:18:42.360 Now, common sense in and of itself is divine, and the only way you can find true common sense is the church.

00:18:46.920 So, the ideology is basically used to drag people to the church.

00:18:49.800 Yes, precisely.

00:18:51.340 And I think you bring up a good point here, Kadeva, is that the, you know, what is common sense, right?

00:18:56.280 I mean, the metaphysics of common sense are important, because nobody seems to know what it is anymore, and it's certainly not very common.

00:19:02.480 So, if we're talking, when we talk about sensibility, um, or sensibleness, right, this is the ability to make sense out of the universe and out of one's actions.

00:19:12.640 And you possess agency in such a way that is efficacious.

00:19:16.520 So, somebody who, you know, has good sense knows when to avoid risk or when to take it, right? 0.96

00:19:24.200 They know when to not, how not to make stupid decisions and how to make good decisions. 0.99

00:19:28.240 This is what it's referring to. 0.99

00:19:29.460 But this sensibility is based on, um, you know, so many metaphysical presuppositions.

00:19:35.280 Like the fact that there is truth, that the universe is organized in such a way that man can perceive truth and know truth and remember it and act upon it in a way that's meaningful, right?

00:19:47.260 Right?

00:19:48.160 And what this presumes is God.

00:19:49.980 Christ says directly, he is the way, the truth, and the life.

00:19:54.860 You know, Christ himself is common sense.

00:19:57.140 His wisdom is the true wisdom.

00:19:59.220 And so, this is the problem that we run into is that without, um, a transcendental, uh, axes, a, a pole, a marker, a, um, an anchor for your, your epistemology, for the, your, your action.

00:20:14.280 You know, how do you know what's common sense, right?

00:20:17.100 You know, because the liberals, they think, the leftists, they think that their ideas are just common sense.

00:20:21.780 Well, it's just common sense that we ought to pay for people's abortions. 0.99

00:20:28.240 It's common sense that we ought to pay to have children chop off their genitals. 1.00

00:20:32.960 You know, it's common sense that we ought to let anybody who says they're a refugee into our country, we go, well, they're refugees, right? 0.98

00:20:38.760 That's common sense, right?

00:20:40.920 It's the current year.

00:20:41.880 That's the, these are, you know, and these are appealing, appealing to authority without specifying what the authority is.

00:20:47.500 So, that's what our job here is, steering and passion.

00:20:49.480 Exactly, right.

00:20:50.400 So, you're appealing to authority without knowing what that authority is in and of itself.

00:20:54.080 So, let's, let's be, let's take on the critic cat.

00:20:57.800 Let's be supercritical.

00:20:59.040 Let's be all, uh, let's be all skeptical because it's fun being skeptical.

00:21:03.520 It's fun criticizing everything, right?

00:21:05.040 Right.

00:21:05.640 So, if we say that common sense in and of itself is the base of ideology and we make a reference to the ideology of the worldview, right?

00:21:14.000 Then, how do we know that something like that won't happen to us as well?

00:21:19.580 Of course, how, how can you then truly be a national and a socialist if you are not a Christian then? 1.00

00:21:30.140 Of course, you must adhere to common sense, right?

00:21:32.020 And common sense in and of itself is divine.

00:21:34.100 And if you're a Christ, well, how do you have true common sense then? 0.78

00:21:36.480 Then, you must have a common sense which is psychologically conditioned through intellectual constructs, ideologies, philosophies, all this kind of stuff.

00:21:46.560 And I'm not saying it's like super evil.

00:21:48.280 What I'm saying is how do you get actual common sense done?

00:21:53.680 Well, yeah, you're right.

00:21:54.960 Ultimately, you're correct in what you say.

00:21:56.940 Is that the only way that you can kind of ensure over a long period of time that the operators of a particular group, religious, ethnic, executive, governmental, whatever, you know, remain anchored to the same operating principles, the same ordering ideas, the same sense of common sense is basically through God.

00:22:20.020 Through going to church, right, through inculcating themselves totally in the culture, the religion, the moral values, the ineffable, transcendental, mystical relationship which produces these fruits.

00:22:32.240 And without that, you cannot hope to replicate them.

00:22:34.860 And so, yes, our job is basically to tell people to go to church.

00:22:38.180 Please go to church.

00:22:39.400 Right.

00:22:39.600 So the ideology in and of itself focuses on the fruits and religiosity is what's most important because that enables the fruit to be there to begin with.

00:22:46.580 That's your point, right?

00:22:47.340 Precisely.

00:22:47.820 Then how is this not, first and foremost, a religious fight?

00:22:51.980 It is.

00:22:52.940 Secondary, only a political one.

00:22:54.640 It is.

00:22:54.920 How can...

00:22:55.920 Let me finish. 1.00

00:22:57.460 I mean, if you would only focus on ideology and you'd be some sort of super anti-Christian pagan that just want to smash all the stupid Christ cucks or you're some Christian identitist, white Talmudist that whines on black people for being black while they're still in Africa. 1.00

00:23:14.240 I mean, let black people be in Africa, for Christ's sake. 1.00

00:23:16.780 Don't be an altist. 0.99

00:23:19.380 What was my point?

00:23:20.900 I don't know what to mean, but what was your point?

00:23:24.360 No, that sounded passive-aggressive.

00:23:25.900 You were just trying to, you were talking about, you know, religion as the main exhortation.

00:23:32.420 Oh, right, right, right, right.

00:23:33.620 Exactly.

00:23:34.720 And we literally need it.

00:23:36.500 And what I'm worried is that you focus too much on the ideology in and of itself and you lose all religion.

00:23:44.040 And you use the religious, the religion in and of itself to support the intellectual construct of the ideology rather than other way around, right?

00:23:53.080 I mean, the religion should give meaning to an intellectual construct, right?

00:23:57.700 It shouldn't be another way around.

00:23:59.280 Are you speaking to me directly or to people in general?

00:24:02.460 People in general.

00:24:04.200 Well, yeah, I mean, I agree.

00:24:05.300 A lot of people do this on the right.

00:24:06.820 And I think that myself and you and Doc included, we've been pretty aggressive and direct with condemning that sort of behavior on the show. 0.98

00:24:15.940 And we've taken a lot of shit for it. 0.99

00:24:17.960 It's better to be a Christian African than an atheist white. 1.00

00:24:23.180 Ultimately, in terms of the measure of your virtue, you have to ask this question. 0.93

00:24:28.680 It's like if you're a degenerate white man or there's a virtuous, you know, Negro, right, who has – who's more existentially valuable, right? 0.95

00:24:38.380 But now here's the thing. 0.97

00:24:39.580 People confuse statements like that for, you know, oh, well, that doesn't mean that our society should be made up of Christian black people. 0.98

00:24:45.560 That's absurd. 0.52

00:24:46.440 Obviously, I believe in ethnic government.

00:24:48.840 Of course, of course.

00:24:49.840 You know, but that's the thing.

00:24:50.760 These people take it there, right?

00:24:51.780 Obviously, we believe in ethnic government.

00:24:53.220 So we've gotten into the weeds.

00:24:54.640 These are important points to make.

00:24:55.720 Back to the main subject.

00:24:56.620 Right.

00:24:57.020 So let me cut in a bit.

00:25:00.200 You two have spoken so much now, so let me speak of it.

00:25:03.100 Right, universal good.

00:25:05.160 If – right, if we then cut off the religion totally and we can't look at the West right now, what would the universal good for the West be right now?

00:25:12.540 The universal good for the West right now would be simply to allow themselves to be chastised for everything they've done.

00:25:17.960 They abandon the shirt.

00:25:18.720 They abandon all morals. 0.97

00:25:19.600 They're making their children transsexuals. 1.00

00:25:21.220 They're supporting homosexuality everywhere. 1.00

00:25:23.380 We are celebrating this as a good thing.

00:25:26.540 We're like swimming in filth and we're like drinking the filth and it's just like we want to spread it throughout the Earth, right?

00:25:34.160 We want to spread this filth to every little tiny corner throughout the world.

00:25:38.500 So what's happening at order that what we have right now is – well, I've said it again and I'll say it again and this is a chastisement.

00:25:49.060 I mean, we all know that.

00:25:50.240 We all agree on that.

00:25:51.080 Da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da.

00:25:52.360 But my point in and of itself is that the universal good right now for us is this chastisement in and of itself.

00:25:58.640 And if we don't repent, well, we don't deserve to be saved.

00:26:02.500 Well, okay, but I think that you're mixing up what's the good, right?

00:26:07.660 So the good in this instance is that the West repents of their sinful ways.

00:26:13.080 Okay?

00:26:13.900 Exactly.

00:26:14.300 Now, God, we enact upon ourselves chastisement because we defy natural and divine law.

00:26:22.520 And so these things occur because we go contrary to the logos, the ordering of the universe.

00:26:27.520 And so we –

00:26:27.800 Oh, of course.

00:26:28.600 Now, hold on.

00:26:29.260 Let me lay it out.

00:26:30.780 You know.

00:26:32.120 And so we incur punishment upon ourselves.

00:26:35.600 Now, this punishment is not a good in and of itself.

00:26:38.140 It's a good in so far as it encourages us to repent, right?

00:26:42.560 But if we don't repent, it simply becomes the just reward for our bad actions.

00:26:49.300 But it's not a good in itself.

00:26:52.040 The good is that we stop doing those just actions because our sinful activity, the pain that's caused by our evil, that's a privation of the good.

00:27:00.440 That doesn't have ontological substance.

00:27:02.540 Well, of course.

00:27:05.700 I'm disagreeing with you.

00:27:07.080 Okay, right, right.

00:27:07.940 So I'm just saying –

00:27:09.000 I'm just saying like –

00:27:09.660 It's mainly through conversion.

00:27:11.200 And you know what?

00:27:12.280 Conversion, you've got to be honest, right?

00:27:13.420 People have the right to reject conversion, right? 0.96

00:27:15.980 And if people in general reject that, well, then they get the fine brimstone, right?

00:27:19.640 I mean, I'm not saying this in a fine brimstone way.

00:27:21.900 Well, maybe a little.

00:27:23.320 But I mean, Sodom and Gomorrah, it's literally like the worst.

00:27:27.220 Literally.

00:27:27.820 And what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah, right?

00:27:29.460 The few people who were, you know, sane.

00:27:32.140 And even Lot's wife, right?

00:27:35.280 She looked back, right?

00:27:36.160 She looked back.

00:27:37.280 She looked back.

00:27:38.760 And she became exalted.

00:27:39.420 Right?

00:27:40.480 Siviningham and them somewhere got their judgment as well, right?

00:27:45.760 My point is, if Sodom does not repent, then why should we, through political means, try to save it?

00:27:54.020 If it does not repent first.

00:27:56.440 Now, this is basically my main point.

00:27:58.000 And if we basically use political means to forcefully save Sodom while it's not repenting, then essentially what we're doing is that we're placing the, how should I put it, the comfortable, the good in this world, before that which is good in the, how should I put it, absolutely. 0.68

00:28:17.680 We put that it was universally good, before that which is absolutely good.

00:28:22.400 That is, by accepting the punishment, if we do not repent, and not trying to politically resist it, other than trying to convert people, we are, in fact, against God in itself, and therefore we are not preserving the common good.

00:28:38.460 I have to counter-signal there, Hans.

00:28:41.380 I don't believe that it is required for conversion to be real that it be somehow internalized.

00:28:54.380 You know, that would be best, absolutely.

00:28:56.940 And that's what will save you individually.

00:28:59.060 But a communal conversion can very well be top-down.

00:29:06.480 Right, but then they accept it willingly, right?

00:29:08.660 They're not, like, subjugated with a sword, right?

00:29:10.960 And forced to, like, head to the church like we're some sort of Muslims.

00:29:15.820 Obviously, but there's a mix of powers in any of these circumstances.

00:29:19.880 If that's what it takes to get people doing the right thing, then that's what it takes to get people to do the right thing.

00:29:26.240 Now, I don't believe that that's the optimum.

00:29:30.220 I don't believe that's how things should be.

00:29:32.740 But, like, you know, if you spare the rod, you spoil a child.

00:29:37.640 And that applies to collectives just as much as it does individuals.

00:29:43.360 Right.

00:29:44.180 Well, St. Isidro of Seville said that the purpose of governance was for the kings, the rulers, to use power to deter evil men by fear.

00:29:55.580 Right.

00:29:57.200 Right.

00:29:57.720 And so if we have evil societies, right, if we have societies where evil men run rampant, right, and make up the vast bulk of our society, then, you know, we need to call them to repentance.

00:30:08.660 But, you know, if there is to be any sort of limited justice, we need to, as much as we can, try to use legitimate power to stop them from doing evil things through fear.

00:30:21.440 Right.

00:30:26.240 So, yeah, I have no problem with a hypothetical, you know, national socialist American regime bringing back Sunday laws. 0.76

00:30:36.320 You will be in church or you will face some sort of fine or a day in the stocks or whatever.

00:30:43.280 Like, you know, sometimes, you know, sometimes the state in its role as father of the people has to lay down the law, has to put his foot down and has to, you know, has to spank the naughty children sometimes.

00:31:01.040 That's just reality.

00:31:02.200 Yeah, well, we're going to get into this a little bit later.

00:31:05.900 But I think these are all, you're all hitting the points that I wanted to talk about.

00:31:10.980 So let's talk about a little bit about, you know, the socialism and the free market, right?

00:31:14.920 So most of our, many of our listeners probably have come out of libertarianism or are familiar at least with Austrian economics.

00:31:22.800 I myself came out of that background.

00:31:24.660 And so, you know, I think that it's kind of demonstrably a fact, okay, that markets are the way in which people organize themselves economically when other systems are not forced on top of them by coercive violence.

00:31:41.720 It's that we engage in barter, in exchange, in a market economy, and that the market, typically speaking, the less interference you have in the market, typically speaking, the more productive it is in terms of wealth, in terms of capital.

00:31:57.800 So I think it's a fact.

00:31:59.300 I don't know if anybody on this podcast would dispute that.

00:32:01.500 One possible point of contention is that there's some pretty interesting new research that is suggesting that rather than a barter system forming the foundation upon which other more complex economic systems developed,

00:32:25.600 that the sort of the Neolithic economy worked on the basis of gift-giving and sort of honor and face, as it were, and that's how exchange was done.

00:32:44.720 Now, I don't have a firm opinion on that, but I think it's an interesting alternative to the usual story of, well, first we bartered and then we developed coinage and so on and so forth.

00:32:55.080 Right.

00:32:59.320 Yeah, it's an interesting theological question, but not to get into that.

00:33:02.160 And I guess what I wanted to say was that, yeah, so the free market is the most effective tool for generating wealth.

00:33:07.620 But I think the question has to, we know that wealth is not always good.

00:33:11.280 Wealth is generally good because it allows us to have more comfortable lives and produce more resources and so on.

00:33:17.520 We use it as a stand-in for labor, but wealth can destroy.

00:33:21.080 Wealth can be highly corrosive and destructive towards happiness.

00:33:25.520 Good living.

00:33:26.160 The church fathers warn of this all the time, that if you get a lot of wealth, you get a lot of problems.

00:33:31.580 Because suddenly you have power.

00:33:33.600 You have things people want.

00:33:35.040 People are going to try to use you so that your money can exercise power.

00:33:39.700 Right. 0.99

00:33:40.220 And so you put yourself into a bunch of bullshit and it takes a lot of money to maintain that wealth. 0.99

00:33:44.320 And inevitably it gets tied up in capital and in households and you tie yourself down to this world. 0.99

00:33:51.100 Right.

00:33:51.180 This is what Christ talks about in his parables when he says, you know, build up treasure that, you know, cannot be eaten by moths or cannot be destroyed by corruption.

00:34:00.940 And so the – I think the contention of any broadly national socialist regime – and so, you know, when we say national socialist, this is just – these are descriptive terms, right?

00:34:12.280 These are descriptive terms for regimes which act ethnically in terms of their group organization and towards the common good in terms of the execution of the governance.

00:34:22.060 So many, many regimes can be said to follow these patterns.

00:34:25.800 You know, and I don't – we're not kind of – we're not kind of autistic about, you know, the 1933, you know, German platform continental national socialism.

00:34:35.240 Of course not.

00:34:36.720 Of course not.

00:34:37.700 Although that's a pretty good platform.

00:34:38.720 Pretty good platform for Germany in 1933.

00:34:42.620 It's true.

00:34:43.860 But the point of the matter is that markets are perfectly compatible insofar as they fulfill the common good.

00:34:52.380 You know, but markets can – like that's the thing.

00:34:55.100 It's like if there's a market for heroin, should we allow the heroin market to be illicit?

00:35:00.620 Of course not.

00:35:01.460 No, we should not.

00:35:02.220 We should suppress with violence heroin dealers because heroin is very bad for people.

00:35:07.660 It's very, very bad for people and corrosive.

00:35:11.460 You know, if child pornography, if there's a market for that, should we allow this to occur?

00:35:17.020 No, of course not.

00:35:18.080 We regulate our markets according to our morality.

00:35:20.180 You know, if the market says that, you know, a father of seven who's like a good laborer, right, and actually, you know, produces wealth, right, turns profit.

00:35:37.020 But the market says that he should, you know, be paid less money so that the owner of the capital can gain more profit, right?

00:35:43.660 Well, that's not just in many instances.

00:35:45.560 And so I think that the point is that we want to ensure that all levels of society, all parts of society, parts of the body get a fair shake, you know, that labor is rewarded justly for labor, that legitimate capital owners are allowed to make money, you know, off of the capital that they own, right?

00:36:07.840 I think most of us here believe in private property, you know, so we're not absolute socialists in that sense.

00:36:14.080 Yeah.

00:36:15.560 Yeah, so this is a very important conversation.

00:36:20.380 Unfortunately, because of its nature, it has a tendency to go down to the weeds.

00:36:24.820 But from my point of view, what we mean when we say free markets and what we mean when we say free exchange and even, dare I say it, capitalism, what we're talking about is a world of small producers.

00:36:44.440 And small purchasers.

00:36:46.960 We're not talking about the joint stock corporation.

00:36:50.320 And this sort of very Talmudic game of making profits private but risks public.

00:37:02.200 These titanic machines, right?

00:37:03.500 The titans of industry, the titans of industry, the titanic mechanized, the titanic machines that have been created in the industrial age, that sustain our economy.

00:37:15.320 Yeah, just so.

00:37:19.140 And so while I wouldn't say that it's impossible to do sort of cooperative risk pool sharing in a just way, but the way that we in the present day in America and Western Europe and most of the world do it is horribly unjust.

00:37:43.080 And simply operates as a mechanism to extract rents out of transactions.

00:37:52.280 Precisely.

00:37:53.060 Precisely.

00:37:53.540 That's what it's about.

00:37:54.240 Hans, did you want to add something?

00:37:57.080 No.

00:37:58.620 Okay.

00:37:59.640 Well, yeah.

00:38:00.120 And so the – yeah, we like – making money is a good, right?

00:38:04.820 But there are different levels of the good.

00:38:06.780 There's individual goods.

00:38:07.820 There's group goods.

00:38:08.680 There's divine goods.

00:38:10.260 And so on.

00:38:11.260 And so we ought to pursue the higher good.

00:38:13.740 And if we – we live in a world, unfortunately, that outside of God, there is limited good.

00:38:18.860 And so we have to choose between what types of goods we want to pursue.

00:38:23.700 So oftentimes we have to pursue the common good at the expense of some of the individual good.

00:38:28.660 You know, so the – as an example, you know, we want individuals to make money.

00:38:38.480 We do.

00:38:38.900 We want people to make money and be successful.

00:38:40.460 That's good.

00:38:41.060 It allows us to do lots of perfectly legitimate and virtuous and productive things.

00:38:47.100 But if those good things come at the expense of group justice, if one person's wealth means that, you know, other members of the community are unjustly exploited in order to attain it through rents, which is to say monies extracted not in exchange for services or capital, right?

00:39:09.620 If it's a form of usury, of unjust economic extraction, then, of course, we can't allow that.

00:39:14.200 That's – it's not a question.

00:39:16.420 It's a moral imperative.

00:39:18.180 And this is what we need to establish.

00:39:19.980 And so in North America, it's different in Europe than it is in North America.

00:39:24.000 And so Doc and I speak about this from a very particular kind of high church, you know, North American, Anglo perspective is that, you know, we have a predominance of the market economy.

00:39:35.060 We have a culture that is market-oriented.

00:39:38.360 And there's no need to try and absolutely reverse these tendencies.

00:39:44.000 These can be good and healthy if they're properly controlled.

00:39:49.980 Yeah, yeah, I would say that I tend to agree with the distributists that the problem with capitalists or capitalism is that there are too few capitalists.

00:40:03.100 And so the solution is to distribute productive capital more widely amongst the population.

00:40:09.840 And what that means in not highfalutin terms is that generally speaking, people should own tools or land or both such that they can make a product and sell a product and enjoy the fruits thereof.

00:40:28.280 Right, and I think that this is actually a core innovation and particular good tradition of, you know, English liberty and English common law is this idea of the dispersion of economic and political capital.

00:40:44.880 So I totally support distributivism and I think that that's something that's very, very legitimate where we try to ensure that the means of production are owned by as wide a degree of the population as is reasonable.

00:40:58.960 So that no one element of society can accumulate too much power and influence through the ownership of the means of production.

00:41:07.780 So the Jews, if you want to use that example, can't buy up all of the means of production and, you know, control the economy. 1.00

00:41:14.940 And I think that we should advocate this, not just here, but in all levels of political life, we should say, okay, well, who's the society, who's the political, socioeconomic political unit centered around the family, right?

00:41:28.260 Who's the head of the family, free white men, right? 0.91

00:41:32.820 So the society, the economy, the political system is organized around this model of the free white men who are the heads of households. 0.80

00:41:40.320 And I think that that's, that is the traditional, you know, all this time itself way that Western Germanic people organized.

00:41:48.620 And so I think that the, you know, the right to bear arms is critical and that we should all, you know, own weapons, know how to use them.

00:41:57.640 And I think that the maintenance of that tradition is essential for any, you want to talk about national, socialist, state or otherwise.

00:42:03.440 And I think that this is a legitimate part of the received tradition that we should continue to foster and hold on to and celebrate and cherish because it gives us real power.

00:42:12.740 And it's the same thing when we're talking about First Amendment free speech or economic distributivism or anything where with free speech, you know, political opinion is not controlled by a smart, small cartel of capital owners, people who own websites and news corporations and so on.

00:42:33.440 But rather through the Internet, we like what we're doing right now, we can have our own little slice of the pine.

00:42:40.520 We can influence our own little segment of public opinion of, you know, what, two, three thousand people every week who listen to our broadcast.

00:42:47.240 Yeah, it's it's it's it's very interesting to view the trajectory of particularly American political economy alongside the trajectory of ownership of the means of information distribution, ownership of printing presses.

00:43:07.080 And I think you'll see that as as as ownership of printing presses becomes more and more centralized, concentrated, ultimately, I think it's six big, big media companies now that the outlook of of of of the political economy becomes more and more Washington centric, central, centralized, as it were.

00:43:33.000 Right.

00:43:33.240 Right. I don't think that's a coincidence. Exactly. Exactly. And so this is a the reason why I bring this up is because I think that this the question of collectivism, it gets at the larger issue.

00:43:45.960 You know, how do you resolve the dialectic of individualism versus socialism or collectivism?

00:43:50.240 And in the American context, we've been inculcated into this kind of enlightenment individualist worldview for most most of the right wing.

00:43:58.420 And that's like it or not, that's been the tradition for the last 300 years.

00:44:01.900 You know, when you want to talk about the Smithsonian Republic.

00:44:04.060 And so this is what we have to build upon.

00:44:05.760 And so I think that it's important to embrace and seize upon the good elements of our political tradition that are good, righteous and legitimate and in accord with natural and divine law, particular to us as Western Germanics, as Western inheritors of that kind of high church, Anglo-Saxon, you know, common law, Roman law tradition.

00:44:27.980 That's who we are. That's who we inherit, what we inherit rather.

00:44:32.540 And so what I wanted to say is that these the I think that in and of themselves, these ideas of collective property ownership around the ethnic group and the family.

00:44:44.480 Right. And collective bearing of duties, whether it's military, political, social, even religious, even.

00:44:52.860 Right. And, you know, in the terms of a parish system, you know, you have a parish council and, you know, you have rotating sets of duties to maintain the religious institution, the temples.

00:45:01.600 Right. This is how this these are perfectly right and good.

00:45:04.400 And what these demonstrate is the the mean, the harmonious intersection between the fulfilling of the individual need or the focus on the human person and then their context within the larger group, which is what gives them meaning.

00:45:23.720 And that this is not this is a reflection of the Holy Trinity.

00:45:31.020 Fundamentally, that God is not just one person.

00:45:33.760 He's three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, one in essence, sharing one life, one energy, one divine will without loss or effacement of the individual persons that make up the Godhead.

00:45:45.680 So, Hans, what do you think?

00:45:51.120 I want to hear what's your what's your thought on the relationship between the Godhead and the social organization?

00:45:57.780 Well, kind of what I keep saying, common sense.

00:46:00.620 I mean, why do we need to intellectualize all these these government?

00:46:04.340 Well, this is a podcast, dude.

00:46:06.220 If you don't want to like if you don't want to talk about, you know, political and religious theory, then, Hans, you shouldn't come on.

00:46:11.360 Well, I mean, no, seriously.

00:46:14.560 I mean, we just we just literally need common sense.

00:46:17.220 We can find common sense in the church.

00:46:18.620 We don't literally need to elaborate these fancy theories on the political in order to somehow, I don't know, try to intellectualize the perfect.

00:46:26.500 So, how it all should probably try to be aimed at, because we'll see that with common sense, right?

00:46:31.420 I mean, common sense literally makes you able to see how the order should be independently if you intellectually got a blueprint of it or not.

00:46:40.860 I mean, you can just intuitively know it through inspiration of the church, right?

00:46:45.640 Well, it's like, okay, well, this is like, this is not, that's not a Christian way of looking at this thing, Hans.

00:46:52.660 The Christian way of looking at this thing is to understand that man has a mind, a rational mind.

00:46:58.980 And that Christ, well, my point is that when Christ was incarnated as a man, he also was incarnated with a rational human mind.

00:47:06.080 And that when he was resurrected from the dead, the divine energies divinize this human mind. 0.96

00:47:10.980 And so, I'm not saying we should be fucking retards or anything like that. 1.00

00:47:14.400 Well, no, but my point is, you know, like, the Mysterium Fascist is a show just to discuss the intersection of theology and politics and try to relate these kind of high ideas back to practical action in real life. 0.89

00:47:28.580 And what does this mean?

00:47:29.740 Because these high ideas, these intellectualizations, whatever, you know, these are really important.

00:47:34.380 And these affect immensely how we live our lives and the society around us, whether we want to admit it or not.

00:47:41.460 That we constantly keep idolizing them as a civilization.

00:47:47.220 We do it all the time.

00:47:48.160 We want everything but the church, right?

00:47:50.460 So, I think collectivism in and of itself, now, I might be wrong.

00:47:54.420 I might be wrong.

00:47:56.040 I mean, I've been wrong about this stuff before.

00:47:58.900 So, I'm a bit toying with the idea, really.

00:48:00.680 But I'm thinking that maybe collectivism in and of itself is actually, how should I put it, a sort of attempt to escape the church instead of embracing the church.

00:48:13.380 We try to come up with our own little idea, how everything should be perfect, that, that, that, that, that, that, that.

00:48:20.980 And in the fact that you have this, how should I put it, just dry construct, you start feeling that you lose the need for the church.

00:48:35.160 And we can see, we can really see this, I mean, this is another point Spanglin kind of makes as well, right?

00:48:41.740 I mean, first you have it grow actually organically then, right?

00:48:45.280 Then you just have the shell right, the dry shell right, the institutional version of it.

00:48:52.520 And we're at the point right now where we can't really, you know, we just have institution and we don't really have any meaning in the institution of itself.

00:49:02.500 So, we start to sort of, how should I put it, make an idol of institution rather than trying to direct institution or just destroy the institution.

00:49:13.120 I don't even know at this point. 0.99

00:49:14.960 It's all a fucking mess. 0.99

00:49:18.060 Okay, well, Greva, like, do you know what you're saying? 0.99

00:49:20.140 Do you want us to respond to you or?

00:49:22.520 I don't even know. 1.00

00:49:25.040 Fuck politics. 1.00

00:49:29.540 Okay, well, Hans just left. 1.00

00:49:31.760 So, I guess that's the end of Hans' commentary for today.

00:49:36.080 Maybe he'll come back on later to discuss Kelly Eugen News with us, but it seems that Hans is not feeling up to political, theological discussion right now.

00:49:47.100 He will, however, continue in his absence.

00:49:49.940 I mean, I do think that our esteemed colleague has a point that the general thrust of Western civilization since the, I don't know, the Renaissance about that time has been to try to have their cake and eat it too.

00:50:08.940 They want to have all of the good fruits of Christendom, all of the prosperity and the communal activities and all of the fruits of the civilization, but just without the church.

00:50:26.380 Right.

00:50:27.020 And that's absolutely true.

00:50:29.540 But what we're talking about here is a rejection of that.

00:50:35.700 Yes, yes, yes.

00:50:37.060 You know, I don't think you can find anyone who is more harshly critical and adamant about the need to reject modernity and the Enlightenment than we here.

00:50:51.900 Yeah, exactly.

00:50:52.640 And I think that, unfortunately, you know, the David Hans has good points, but he doesn't, I don't think he always appreciates what we're talking about in context, right?

00:51:01.220 And what we mean, what we're suggesting when we speak about collectivism and we speak about the social group is not to say, like, not to use the social group in some sort of, you know, 18th century Enlightenment sense as a replacement for the church.

00:51:16.380 That's absurd. 0.99

00:51:17.620 Fucking, of course, please. 0.99

00:51:19.840 We don't need to have this conversation. 1.00

00:51:21.740 That's obvious.

00:51:23.360 You know, we're Mysterium Fashis, right?

00:51:26.000 We're all advocating you go out and, you know, go to church three or four times a week.

00:51:29.360 Like, it's not a question.

00:51:32.020 But what we're saying is that, you know, our identities are holistic and that being part of ethnic groups upon which the church is built, we can see this in, like, you know, in Orthodoxy where there's a Russian church.

00:51:46.180 And, um, Georgian church and Serbian church and so on that are part of the one holy apostolic and Catholic church, but at the same time are particular ethnarchies to their local, um, ethnic groups.

00:52:00.380 And so it's, um, and then, you know, these ethnic groups have their own sovereign kingdoms and so on, their own governing structures that are perfectly legitimate.

00:52:08.380 And so it's not a matter of conflict.

00:52:10.460 These work in harmony.

00:52:11.240 And so, you know, it's not just this, okay, well, we reject talking about the political theory that supports this St. Justinian, Emperor St. Justinian, the great, you know, wrote, uh, was a saint of the Orthodox church and wrote, you know, legal codes and wasn't an emperor and so on.

00:52:27.320 So every part of human society that's proper to man is also proper to God.

00:52:32.220 And so these are part of our worldview as Christians.

00:52:38.460 Uh, yeah, absolutely.

00:52:39.980 Um, there's actually, uh, I just saw something recently, um, that, uh, was shocking and new to me.

00:52:48.180 Um, uh, have you seen, um, uh, Charles Coulomb's newest, um, newest production?

00:52:54.180 Uh, no, unfortunately I haven't been keeping up with, uh, Charles Coulomb.

00:52:57.020 Um, you guys should go, I'll check him out, great intellectual.

00:52:59.120 Well, um, so he had something very interesting to say about, um, uh, the Holy Roman Empire.

00:53:07.180 Uh, and, and that was that, um, uh, there was an emperor, uh, a sancted emperor after Constantine, uh, and, and, and the details escaping me right at the moment.

00:53:18.960 But, um, this, this, this emperor made an edict that, um, made Roman citizenship conditional upon baptism.

00:53:30.120 Right.

00:53:30.740 So from a, uh, legitimist point of view, you can certainly say that, uh, everyone who is, who is baptized into the mystical body of Christ is also baptized into the Holy Empire.

00:53:43.940 Well, that's true.

00:53:45.000 And so I do not think it's, it's, it's, it's even legitimate to speak of, uh, a faith that is divorced from the political.

00:53:55.060 Absolutely.

00:53:56.000 Absolutely.

00:53:56.820 One hundred percent.

00:53:57.940 And it's, it's a, it's a joke.

00:53:59.740 Secularism is a yoke.

00:54:01.860 It's just a joke, dude.

00:54:02.900 Um, because it, it basically makes the demand of religion, which answers the most important questions in your life, the highest, determines how the highest echelons of reality work.

00:54:14.840 And the predicate for every single one of your decision-making, uh, processes and every single item of your worldview is based on these religious truths.

00:54:22.460 It asks you to divorce that from your actual action, which is absurd. 0.95

00:54:27.460 It's ridiculous.

00:54:28.100 Um, you know, the, the way you act in real life ought to have everything to do with these questions.

00:54:33.400 This is what gives them meaning.

00:54:35.420 This is kind of to get back to this, this individual versus social dialectic is, well, the individual gains meaning through particularity.

00:54:45.600 It's because he is a man in a specific ethnic group, in a specific country, at a time, in a place, believing a certain set of things with a certain community.

00:54:55.680 Right?

00:54:57.620 All of these markers, these concrete facts about the person and how they interact with the world around them.

00:55:03.180 This is where meaning and authenticity and this organic life comes from.

00:55:09.060 This is what we want, right?

00:55:11.280 This is what's real.

00:55:12.840 You know, your relationship with your family and your parish and, and, and all this.

00:55:19.260 Absolutely.

00:55:19.940 Absolutely.

00:55:20.300 Uh, the, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the annoying thing about discussing any of these matters with the, um, with the committed libertarian, or as I like to call them, the methodological nominalist, uh, is that he, you know, his, the implication of his worldview is that people sort of spring fully grown from the foreheads of their parents.

00:55:44.360 Yeah, Athena, clad in armor.

00:55:48.680 And, and, you know, like, if that's, if, if that's your fundamental premise about the universe, then why should I listen to anything you have to say?

00:55:57.020 Correct. 0.99

00:55:57.140 Because you're clearly insane. 1.00

00:55:58.760 Yes, yes. 0.99

00:56:01.200 Well, it's a, it's a religious claim, essentially, right?

00:56:04.300 Individualism makes a religious claim, um, because that's the thing, is to be an individualist,

00:56:08.560 to say that the individual ought to be the center of social thought, of, of governance, and, and so on, um, makes a radical claim about human anthropology.

00:56:18.860 It states that human existence and the way in which our nature is made up exists fundamentally as an individual.

00:56:27.260 But this is untrue, it's illogical, at a, the basic level of reality, is that there's, for an ideal, there's always an instantiation of that ideal in reality, right, uh, that we observe, that we understand this ideal from.

00:56:43.540 Now, and this is the premise, a huge central premise of Christian epistemology, is that the ideal always instantiates itself in the real, not totally, of course, um, but as an icon, in a way that it's just, that it points to the greater spiritual reality behind it.

00:57:00.820 And this is what we believe is ultimately manifested in Christ, is that the cosmic order, which is larger than the heavens, more spacious than the heavens, was incarnate in the person of Christ in the womb of the Virgin Mary by the power of the Holy Spirit.

00:57:12.840 And Christ was an icon of God the Father, and Christ was an icon of God the Father, an icon of the Godhead.

00:57:18.760 And so with the human person, it's the same thing.

00:57:23.540 Well, absolutely. Um, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a Heinlein novel that, uh, that talks about, um, uh, a, a sort of, uh, four-dimensional view of, uh, of humanity.

00:57:41.820 What novel is this?

00:57:44.040 Um, geez. Uh, now you're gonna ask me that question. Um, uh, it, I'll, I'll have to look it up and get back to you.

00:57:52.560 Okay. Okay. Um, but, uh, so the, the, the, the conceit of the, of, of the novel or novella, I think it's a short novel, um, is that, is that there's this doctor who can, um, through, through an apparatus,

00:58:07.760 a physical apparatus, tell you when you're going to die, right? And, and so, uh, the deeper conceit there is that what he's doing is he's, um, he's, he's sending an electrical charge

00:58:23.900 through your body through time. And so he can measure the, the entire length of your, um, contiguous lifeline, uh, in four dimensions, right?

00:58:39.060 So if you, if you, if you could picture your body along a four dimensional spectrum, then there is no separation between your body in the womb and your body in the, in the grave.

00:58:53.860 It's all one continuous sequence through time, right? But if you, if you don't know, now accept that premise, right? That, that each, each moment in time has its own existence and is real, just as real as the moment before it, the moment after it.

00:59:12.640 And, and, and, and, and in a way continues to exist, but it, this sounds starts to sound something like what, you know, the, the view from eternity must be like, but if we, if we, if we just step back or, or, or zoom the camera back, you'll see that each individual, um, pink worm, as it were, uh, that, that constitutes an individual body

00:59:40.640 is part of a, a, a, a, a, what could only be described as a, as a four dimensional tree because each individual person is, is branching off from the lifeline of another person.

00:59:57.020 Well, this is, this starts to talk about interesting points with metaphysics, right? And so we want to, we want to talk about the eternal realm. I mean, since Godiva's gone, we might as well just do esoteric shitposting. Um, there's no sense, uh, just holding it back at all.

01:00:08.080 If we want to talk about, um, in the spiritual realm, in the eternal realm, there is no time, right? There's no time and there's no space.

01:00:18.080 Um, and so the personalities or the, the will or the spirits of the, um, persons, the intelligences that inhabit this realm, whether they're human or angelic or whatever, they unfold, um, in a sense, instantaneously and eternally.

01:00:38.140 They don't unfold according to, um, linear time as we come to understand it, where you have one moment where you feel a certain way and your will is directed one way and you go on to the next and you can change and so on.

01:00:50.420 And it unfolds over a set of period of time. So in that sense, it, it unfolds all at once.

01:00:54.620 And so this, um, this means that the will can't fluctuate back and forth, um, you know, chronologically, it can't choose the numinous self can't choose for one thing or another, um, again and again, as it can in the physical world.

01:01:14.080 And this is where we start to, this is the, the, the theology that predicates the idea that after, you know, your death, you can't repent anymore when your soul separates from your body because you move into eternity.

01:01:25.040 And so you, whatever your soul, whatever like echelon of reality, your soul wasn't happening beforehand, right? Like if you were living your life like hell, you know, you die. Your soul just goes to where it already was in life.

01:01:37.880 That's what it's about.

01:01:45.220 Yeah. Yeah. Uh, uh, I just wanted to mention, I was able to find the name of the story. It's called Lifeline.

01:01:51.080 Oh, okay. Uh, and it's actually one of his very first works. It was published in, uh, 1939. Astounding.

01:01:58.940 Interesting. Yeah. I've never heard of that work before.

01:02:03.180 Yeah. So we've come to the end of our first hour, so we've still got more selected topics to discuss when we come back.

01:02:07.880 Um, you know, unless you had anything you wanted to say, you know, we're going to hit Caliuga news.

01:02:12.480 Grieva might come back. He might not. Um, but I think, you know, we're, I'm still up to finish the episode.

01:02:16.600 There's no reason why we can't have a good discussion. Um,

01:02:22.240 I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm perfectly down to, uh, to finish up here. Uh, I do want to say, um, you know, uh, Grieva, we, we, we, we understand where you're coming from and, um, you know, we love you, man.

01:02:34.880 Totally, dude. Uh, God bless you.

01:02:37.240 So to all of our listeners, stay tuned.

01:02:39.840 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

01:02:58.960 Well, I tried my best to stop them. Yes, I tried to make them wait.

01:03:15.520 And I appealed to their decency.

01:03:18.120 Show mercy on this day.

01:03:19.720 I issued them strong orders on pain of death and disarray, but in the end, they would not listen, raise their lances anyway.

01:03:28.780 Men of no account they were, their breeding crude and low, with not a trace of wisdom, grace, or virtue in their souls.

01:03:42.380 Yet trained them long and hard, I did, to bend them to the crown, to act as tools of justice, follow edict handed down.

01:03:58.780 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

01:04:05.380 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

01:04:07.520 You see, these are not delicious, men are fighting for their homes

01:04:17.820 No father, sons, no husband, side, but foreigners on loan 1.00

01:04:22.400 You're mercenary killers, career soldiers to a man 0.97

01:04:26.660 Lashing out with vengeance one cannot accept or understand 0.99

01:04:37.520 You're mercenary killers to a man

01:05:07.520 I could not instill the discipline with duty to inspire 0.74

01:05:24.500 And they've responded in the end to instincts of the basest kind

01:05:28.940 Now on my knee before you, here I drop my eyes in shame

01:05:33.460 I'll be a little consolation, take my heads for I'm to blame

01:05:38.800 Oh, so spoke the leader on losing control

01:05:56.900 Welcome back to Mysterium Fashies, episode 27, Collectivism, hour two.

01:06:05.640 So we're going to talk about a few more topics that we have done in our notes here for collectivism.

01:06:12.980 We're going to get into the theology a little bit more.

01:06:14.940 We're going to cover Kali Yuga News.

01:06:17.220 It's just myself, Florian Geyer, and Doc Savage here on the Mystery School panel.

01:06:23.500 So let's hit some of these questions.

01:06:26.980 So we were talking about, before the break, we were talking about the theological, how theology can inform some of our answers to these questions about the individual and the group, the one and the many.

01:06:39.960 And this is at the core of the Christian mystery, actually, because Christians worship the triune God. 0.98

01:06:44.880 They worship the one God who is also three, three persons.

01:06:48.780 And it's particular to Orthodox theology that we focus on the threeness of the persons and then go to the oneness, their unifying principle.

01:06:59.240 Whereas in the West, they tended to focus on the oneness of God and then try to consolidate that into the threeness.

01:07:05.380 And so I bring this up because if we accept that the Trinity is, you know, really God, the Trinity is God's nature, that God is our creator.

01:07:17.520 And naturally, the entirety of the universe is going to bear some resemblance or some relationship to him.

01:07:22.040 So if God is a community, if the Godhead is three persons in a single life together with one will that's totally undependent on anything else for its own, you know, existence and flourishing and perfection and so on.

01:07:36.580 Now, you know, then that means that our own human, our human experience, our human lives are necessarily going to be collective, that we're going to have to work with different human persons and that even for a new human person to come about, you know, we see a reflection of the Trinity.

01:07:53.020 We see the man and the woman and they come together in the holy mystery of matrimony, of marital union, they have sex, and we see the production of new life, right?

01:08:07.120 This is a mystery, as we've talked about before on this podcast.

01:08:10.920 This is a – there's a reason why almost all religions of the world have attributed to this action, you know, such vital power because it was obvious.

01:08:19.720 And so we can't begin to – to understand, you know, these questions outside of this larger worldview, you're going to – you're going to run into problems is basically what we're trying to establish here.

01:08:32.800 And so, Doc, please, if you have something you want to add, I guess what I just wanted to demonstrate was that, you know, because we're created in the image and likeness of God, right, the human being is founded on the pattern of Christ.

01:08:46.620 Christ is our creator. He is the fashioner and the order of the universe.

01:08:51.460 So we're created in his image, and Christ is the image of the invisible Trinity.

01:08:56.100 And so in our own nature, how we organize our societies, our homes, our communities, and so on, these inter – these structures of survival, these interrelating networks of peoples surrounded on different ideas and blood ties, this is just how we are.

01:09:12.940 These human beings are inherently like this, and so we cannot begin to conceptualize human beings and their core state as individuals.

01:09:22.200 And this is what socialism is about.

01:09:24.320 It's about saying that the default understanding of man has to be communal and has to be societal.

01:09:29.900 Amen, sir. Amen.

01:09:35.740 First of all, there is no precedent for an individualist view of anthropology or politics until you have the radical enlightenment, philosophers.

01:09:55.380 No – nowhere else would you see any answer other than the family is the fundamental unit of political life anywhere in the world.

01:10:11.400 So that's important.

01:10:13.240 And, of course, going back to your point, the family is a microcosm of the larger community.

01:10:19.240 The family is a small church and a small kingdom and a small market.

01:10:29.880 You know, it is – it recapitulates all of the elements of the larger society in miniature in a sort of as above, so below.

01:10:43.100 Right, it's a reflection of the divine archetype.

01:10:45.680 Yes, exactly.

01:10:46.560 Christ had a family for this reason.

01:10:49.240 And the holy trinity, the threeness and simultaneous oneness of God being the fundamental mystery upon which all of reality is grounded,

01:11:05.060 that's staring us in the face through so many icons in the world that are just natural without any human intervention.

01:11:19.240 So the triangle is the basis of all geometry.

01:11:23.420 Right.

01:11:25.620 If you ever – it's actually interesting.

01:11:27.840 I've actually – I've read some Aleister Crowley.

01:11:29.580 I mean, I don't suggest you read him.

01:11:30.680 He's a very evil man. 0.89

01:11:32.600 A lot of his stuff is just explicitly lies in baloney.

01:11:36.580 But he, in terms of his numerological procession, you know, he even acknowledges that this is correct, that the numerological concept of threeness is necessary to give any definition to an entity.

01:11:49.980 Because you need – you know, you need to have a point, and then you need to have a point of reference that the first is in relationship to, and then you need to have a witness to those two orienting points.

01:12:04.980 And if we look at this on a two-dimensional plane, we can see that this is the first shape that is – this is the only way that you can produce a basic shape because of the necessity for this orientation.

01:12:15.180 So it's – as you say, we bring these mathematical or geometric examples up to demonstrate that in the laws of the universe, the structure of the universe, threeness is essential for oneness, for the fullness of unity and diversity.

01:12:34.000 And so that it's not a conflict.

01:12:36.960 It's not a dialectical tension.

01:12:39.120 For Christians, the one and the many are resolved in Christ.

01:12:45.180 Just so.

01:12:46.540 Just so.

01:12:49.060 All for one and one for all, as we say.

01:12:56.080 Another interesting, I find, recapitulation of this principle of threeness is in the sort of proto-Indo-European social organization of three castes.

01:13:12.880 Which is to say, in general, those who fight, those who pray, and those who farm, those who work.

01:13:24.300 That's true.

01:13:26.380 So everywhere you look, you will see trinities.

01:13:32.520 And, you know, like either you're anomalous who believes that's entirely coincidental.

01:13:38.620 It doesn't mean anything.

01:13:39.500 Totally coincidence.

01:13:40.760 Or you have to be convicted that the reality that we perceive conveys to us true information.

01:13:50.800 If that does, then that suggests something about the fashion of this reality.

01:13:58.160 All right.

01:13:58.400 And so this is the, yeah, essentially, essentially.

01:14:03.200 And this is why, you know, to kind of bring up what we were speaking about before the break, this is why we have to discuss these high ideas.

01:14:12.220 Because, you know, common sense, and you can sort of say this over and over and over again, just go to church, common sense, and so on.

01:14:18.420 But people need to understand with their minds, you know, these big ideas, because it informs the way that they live their lives.

01:14:28.060 If you don't have this background, if you don't realize that, okay, this is the universe has this God who's a creator who exists in a certain way, exists in a community and as individual persons.

01:14:39.820 Then the rest of your thinking scheme is going to necessarily reflect the lack of this position.

01:14:47.440 And so people don't explicitly say this anymore.

01:14:51.360 That's the thing.

01:14:52.380 I know for me.

01:14:53.120 Not even in churches.

01:14:54.220 No.

01:14:54.400 They don't say this anymore.

01:14:55.180 No, they do not.

01:14:55.800 And that's the thing that we can't just say, oh, just have common sense and go to church.

01:14:59.820 I wish.

01:15:00.840 I wish.

01:15:01.460 It should be that simple.

01:15:04.060 Hans is correct.

01:15:05.740 It should be that simple.

01:15:08.260 But it isn't.

01:15:09.440 It's not.

01:15:11.340 It's not.

01:15:12.140 Doc, you're exactly correct.

01:15:13.800 It should be that all you have to do in order to live a good life is you go to church and you've got a parish community of your ethnic in-group.

01:15:21.660 You can find a wife.

01:15:23.500 You get a good job in your community.

01:15:25.940 This is going to teach you your basic truths about the world and basic morality.

01:15:30.960 And that's what's necessary.

01:15:32.060 You just live.

01:15:32.740 And that's what life is about, is that the life is good in and of itself.

01:15:37.800 But that's not the world we live in.

01:15:40.040 And so in order to be educated on this topic, and I assume most of our listeners do desire to be educated, want a fuller worldview, we have to discuss these topics.

01:15:49.520 And we can't jerk away from this because we don't want to sound like pretentious intellectualists.

01:15:54.800 I'll run that risk.

01:15:56.000 May God forgive me. 0.92

01:15:56.900 Well, and we have to engage with this intellectual vocabulary because we have to reclaim that vocabulary from the modernists who are, forgive my vulgarity, but shitting all over the dictionary.

01:16:15.700 And that's important because unless we restore meaning to our language, reground it in an organic sense of the world, then we'll be lost.

01:16:33.640 We'll be unable to communicate with each other.

01:16:35.260 I mean, that's one of the – to me, that's one of the fundamental lessons about the warnings contained in 1984 and other such novels.

01:16:43.800 No, this is precisely – Dr. Johnson talks about this, but this is exact.

01:16:48.940 So when we're talking about an ethnic group, the uniting element of an ethnic group is language, actually.

01:16:54.040 Blood is important.

01:16:54.960 Geography is important.

01:16:55.960 But all of these are predicated upon language because if you don't – you can't understand each other, then you can't be inside the same in-group.

01:17:03.220 It's very simple, right?

01:17:05.000 People tend to marry those whom they understand, right?

01:17:08.620 And so the language is the infrastructure of the thought.

01:17:15.160 It's the color that – the structure that we use to express our ideas.

01:17:20.960 And so ideas are formal.

01:17:23.200 They don't have – language is something we use to symbolically express the spiritual reality of these ideas as they exist in our minds through the mechanism of our will in our body.

01:17:36.660 And so people who can control this structure can define the terms by which we express our ideas.

01:17:46.700 And so some languages don't have the necessary structure to express certain ideas.

01:17:53.240 So Dr. E. Michael Jones was talking about this the other week when we're in relationship to Islam, that because the Koran was written in Arabic, it didn't have the same vocabulary as Greek to express certain of the high theological ideas and philosophical ideas.

01:18:08.320 And that influenced the way the religion developed.

01:18:10.240 So with what we're trying to do is we're trying to give the tradition, the language, and the background necessary to do battle and to live the lives that we want to live.

01:18:22.560 That's what Mysterium Fashies is about.

01:18:24.240 And specifically, you know, if we don't have a language with which to communicate with each other and to develop a community in a real sense,

01:18:45.320 then we lack a critical faculty, a critical precondition necessary to achieve the meaning with which we need.

01:18:56.700 We have a fundamental human need to have a meaning in our lives.

01:19:02.520 And, you know, I guess what I'm trying to say is that man doesn't live by bread alone, right?

01:19:12.680 And we need a spiritual sustenance and we need a mental sustenance, right?

01:19:21.460 And we receive our spiritual sustenance through the church, through the mystery, the Christian mysteries, right?

01:19:34.300 The body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ sustains us spiritually.

01:19:39.920 It is true food and true drink indeed.

01:19:41.540 But our mental food has always been, since time immemorial, stories, the great myths through which we perceive reality as meaningful and significant in an everyday way.

01:20:02.300 And without a common language, we won't have a common understanding of these stories, of these myths.

01:20:09.460 And at the same time, of course, the myths themselves are being co-opted by Hollywood and turned into plasticized Disney versions of themselves.

01:20:20.120 Exactly.

01:20:20.380 So we live in very...

01:20:21.820 You're getting at the heart of things here.

01:20:23.540 And the reason why the collective must, demands that it be the center of social organization is because in a democracy where the individual or factions of individuals are allowed to predominate,

01:20:35.680 what we see is a fracturing in society, is that society dissolves, that the individual parts become so dissonant from one another in their competition to assert superiority,

01:20:48.740 that the underlying unity of the entity is lost.

01:20:52.440 And so this is the example I use, and I'm not the first person to make this critique, but in Canada, in Parliament right now,

01:20:58.380 just in Parliament, not in terms of what people think, there are members of Parliament who believe that abortion should be a publicly funded human right

01:21:08.260 and that the fact that the government does not pay for women to have abortions, whatever they like, is an injustice, is an infringement upon their human rights.

01:21:17.860 And there are also people in government that believe abortion is murder and people should be punished like murderers who do it.

01:21:28.380 So what happens, when these two people, how are these two people supposed to live with one another?

01:21:34.620 When one person openly advocates what the other believes is straight murder?

01:21:40.100 It's impossible. It's ridiculous. You can't do that. 0.99

01:21:43.180 Nobody, you know, you can't, the moral premises, the worldviews are totally opposite.

01:21:49.980 One, you know, it's, you know, by rights, the man who believes this, if he really is serious about his ideology, right,

01:21:57.480 he should imprison or execute, under color of law, the person who promotes the murder in his eyes.

01:22:06.700 Absolutely. I mean, it's, and I mean, I seriously believe that the fact that we do nothing to stop this is we're going to have to answer for in the hereafter.

01:22:21.060 And, you know, these are, these are, of course, complicated questions, and I don't mean to, I'm not suggesting that anyone in particular do anything in particular.

01:22:33.360 Precisely.

01:22:33.840 But I'm just saying that, you know, if you really do believe that this is murder and you are allowing it to happen, what is the difference between you and the murderer?

01:22:42.480 Right. And that's the thing, and this is what I think so many Christians have lost a sense of, is the social, the duty and obligation that comes along with being a Christian.

01:22:55.800 And so, like, if God, like, has laws and God wants us to enforce his laws, right, that, yes, the law is written in our heart and it's the Holy Spirit who tells us what ultimately is the end all and be all of it.

01:23:08.740 But the laws of God ought to be enforced morally.

01:23:11.700 So if God creates government and power and the state in order to fulfill his law and order the community and work towards the common good to use fear to coerce the evil from doing evil deeds, right, then the fact that we're not doing this is an injustice and we're going to have to deal with God, you know, because of this.

01:23:33.640 Of course, God understands, right?

01:23:34.960 God is totally all-knowing and, you know, he's merciful.

01:23:37.620 So he knows the condition of life that we were born into.

01:23:40.240 So none of us got to choose what time period to live in and so on.

01:23:45.560 And none of us chose here to have this society of death, you know, might have contributed to it in the past, but we're trying actively to move away from it.

01:23:58.920 Our choosing for it happens with our sins, right?

01:24:01.820 And that's ultimately what the question is about.

01:24:03.740 It's about, you know, answering to God for our own sinfulness.

01:24:05.700 But that's a completely different track.

01:24:07.500 And so we get back to it is that without the social polity, without the government that's focused on that core cohesion, ultimately, especially in a continent like North America where you have such large geographical distances, people separate.

01:24:21.020 They drift apart.

01:24:21.980 They drift away.

01:24:23.200 There's nothing holding them together.

01:24:24.340 And ultimately, like, I think that the glue of any society is going to be the religion, frankly.

01:24:36.020 I think that, you know, ethnicity and tribe are very important.

01:24:38.920 But I think that we find historically that, you know, faith, family, folk is that that's an accurate representation of the hierarchy.

01:24:45.320 That people will care more about their religion if they're really, really serious, even in their own family.

01:24:51.440 This is what Christians are called to do.

01:24:54.060 People will care more about their own family and their own religion than they will about their ethnic group as a whole.

01:25:02.900 Look at Germany in the Middle Ages for excellent and the Renaissance for excellent examples of this.

01:25:07.020 Yeah, yeah, and, you know, I think that Americans have a hard time, particularly with the, with their deformed understanding of family.

01:25:25.240 You know, family doesn't mean mommy, daddy, 2.5 kids, two cats, a dog, two cars and a pool in the backyard.

01:25:37.020 That's not what, what anyone here is speaking about.

01:25:41.180 You know, family is a, a, a broad category where, you know, it's, it's, it's not just the core paterfamilias and, and the materfamilias, but it is all, all who are under that roof of the, of the paterfamilias.

01:26:05.460 And, and, and, and this includes, um, hired hands and servants.

01:26:10.740 It includes, um, you know, just, you know, any, any, any sort of distant relation who happens to be, uh, under that roof.

01:26:19.400 You know, the ideal, of course, is that, is that you will, you then have families of families where you have, you have multiple, um, multiples of these, uh, extended families who are, um, either related by blood or by marriage.

01:26:36.600 Um, and, and so in, in, in English, we would call that kith and kin.

01:26:41.080 Right, exactly.

01:26:44.240 And this brings us back to the, kind of our last point in the subject, which is, which is critical, is that without this, um, relational glue, without, um, the organic, you know, life, um, as the basis for social affairs and governance and so on.

01:27:00.000 Um, and the recognition of the social role of that, then governance is, like, just violent, uh, repression.

01:27:07.220 Violence becomes the only, uh, violence and money become the only factors that hold together the, the state, the civil society.

01:27:15.240 And that's, that's tyranny.

01:27:17.620 Because we know who, that, that, if we, the money powers dominate, it's usury is what dominates, oligarchy dominates. 0.87

01:27:23.460 And if violence dominates, right, then we know, to the immoral men, bandits tend to dominate.

01:27:30.300 Right.

01:27:30.940 And this is why, you know, we need states is to protect us from bandits, uh, immoral men who use violence to achieve what they want by extortion and usurers.

01:27:41.100 Right.

01:27:41.700 The, you know, that this is the purpose of governance.

01:27:44.480 And so, without, uh, these functions being performed by the state, we see that our society has degenerated and has, uh, come under their yoke.

01:27:54.780 The yoke.

01:27:56.580 But, um, this is what it comes back to.

01:28:01.280 And this is, uh, why there is just no way, I mean, individualism is, is, I think, can, can be thoroughly kind of written off the table.

01:28:08.400 Now, that's not to kind of engage in this, you know, mythological, um, muddle-headed mysticism, as Rufus would call, um, Sonia's Rufus would call the, the kind of collectivism.

01:28:19.100 We're not talking about, like, an abstract collective, right?

01:28:21.740 We're talking about real people.

01:28:23.700 Uh, we're talking about your family, your friends, uh, the people you go to church with, you know, you, you, people in your labor relations.

01:28:30.800 And it's difficult because a lot of these natural avenues of social interaction have been totally degenerated, right, by the modern world on purpose.

01:28:40.700 And so, if we don't have these or we don't have them to the extent that we want, you know, we have to go out and try to build these things, uh, to, to, to revitalize them, to resurrect them.

01:28:51.060 You know, the situation is going to be different for all of us, but these are necessary for personal sanity at the bare minimum, as well as, you know, happiness.

01:28:58.400 Um, the, the, they're essential for political expediency as well, but that's, you know, there are other more basic, uh, imperatives towards this kind of behavior.

01:29:08.960 Can you hear me?

01:29:10.160 I can hear you.

01:29:11.300 Okay, good.

01:29:12.040 I was having a computer issue there for a moment.

01:29:14.220 Um, I, I think one of the problems that, um, uh, some people have, uh, those who would hear what we are saying and, and, and scream out,

01:29:24.860 uh, statist, um, that most, many of these people have no experience with any type of state other than the degenerate American state.

01:29:37.580 Um, and so, of course, that has to color what they view, uh, the state as being, um, but, uh.

01:29:46.660 Most of us, I think, we're like this.

01:29:48.520 Yeah, at, at one point, certainly, yeah.

01:29:50.480 And, and we are still here, you know, America is the great state, right?

01:29:53.200 It is Zog, right? 1.00

01:29:54.560 Oh, oh yeah, yeah.

01:29:55.500 If, if, if the only type of state there was, was Zog, then, then I'd have to be an anarchist. 0.98

01:30:00.380 Full anarchist, right?

01:30:01.700 And that's the thing is, you know, we have the hope that real, you know, reasonable states can exist, right?

01:30:05.940 That do more good than harm.

01:30:07.180 But, and I think, and I, what we, what I think we're on the Mysterium and for, for other NS people, national, socialists, whatever, it was, yes, of course.

01:30:16.480 Yes, we want to dismantle the current American state apparatus, no question.

01:30:20.360 You know, and the, the, what their concern is that, you know, well, do we go with a big state solution?

01:30:25.760 So here's what I think, frankly, in the United States and in Canada, big state solution, that's not the, what's not, not what's going to happen.

01:30:32.480 Like, we're not going to take over the American big state infrastructure and, you know, redirect this weapon of mass destruction for good.

01:30:40.780 It's not going to happen.

01:30:43.460 There's, there's many fundamental problems with that.

01:30:46.020 The, the, the first one being that, well, I mean, this, this giant bloated Jupiter-sized state apparatus is composed of people who hate us, right?

01:31:00.120 So at a very fundamental level, you know, who is the state, but the people who compose it, they are not our friends, right?

01:31:06.060 So if, if slash our guys were to get in, do you really think that the state, qua the state, is just going to be like, okay, you're in charge now?

01:31:16.840 That's not how this works, folks.

01:31:18.760 And, and, and, and also, of course, the, the, the deeper underlying ideological issue is that this, this enlightenment state apparatus is, is based upon enlightenment ideas.

01:31:35.020 And so the, the, the, it's very nature as opposed to anything we want to do.

01:31:39.100 Right.

01:31:39.400 Exactly.

01:31:39.980 And so there's, it's absurd.

01:31:41.420 We're not, yeah.

01:31:41.900 And so we're not here to come in and like coup the government and, you know, use the CIA 2.0 Nazi version to impose our vision. 0.91

01:31:50.660 That's ridiculous. 0.90

01:31:51.340 It's not going to happen. 0.95

01:31:53.220 There's just no way.

01:31:54.860 What we need is a dissolution of the current federal governments of the Canada and the United States just to begin to make any progress whatsoever realistically in the future.

01:32:02.940 And so what we want is we want a devolution back to local and regional powers.

01:32:08.660 And I think that that's what, I know that's what the TWP supports in terms of local solutions.

01:32:13.500 And I think that any serious American nationalist or national socialist, fascist, particular nationalists and so on can get behind this and support a devolution of sovereignty and authority back to local powers that we control on the local level.

01:32:28.660 That's the goal.

01:32:29.520 And so the, the, what we want is exercise of power meaningfully in our local communities because in the United States, state governance is like a country in Europe.

01:32:41.780 Right.

01:32:42.640 Local governance in some instances is like countries in Europe.

01:32:45.840 That's what we're talking about in terms of area and population, small countries.

01:32:51.820 And so, and in those places and in those, you know, or in families and leagues and so on, you know, then we could, we do patriarchy.

01:32:58.900 Right.

01:32:59.040 You want to talk, white Sharia is a code word for patriarchy. 0.92

01:33:01.380 Right.

01:33:03.380 And, you know, that sort of thing is we need a, a patriarchal, you know, highly religious society.

01:33:09.520 And we're just going to, we're just going to, we'll die fam.

01:33:11.740 That's what will happen. 0.96

01:33:12.580 Um, we'll all die.

01:33:17.680 Um, and that's it.

01:33:19.480 Our, our ancestors will not walk the face of this continent if we don't return to the ways that they once possessed that enabled them to conquer it.

01:33:26.980 And that made it great, you know, and for them, the foundation of those mindsets is it was patriarchal.

01:33:32.900 It was about family, your kin group, right?

01:33:37.020 And it was about God.

01:33:38.180 It was religious.

01:33:39.360 These were the, the structures of survival that enabled them to thrive and come to dominate this continent.

01:33:44.960 And we have lost control of it because of our iniquity.

01:33:48.540 Because we've deviated from the folkways and the lifestyles that made them great. 1.00

01:33:52.700 And so the, the issue is not just simple reaction.

01:33:56.900 It's not just say, okay, well, go back.

01:33:58.080 Well, how was it at the founding of the Republic?

01:33:59.700 No.

01:34:00.320 We have to understand that even at the founding of the American Republic, there were issues in Western society thought currents that were dangerous.

01:34:09.260 And we look at the, the American founding fathers, many of them were not religious.

01:34:13.320 They were secular.

01:34:14.300 They were Freemasonic.

01:34:16.080 You know, and they, they had a distinctly enlightenment view of how the state should be run.

01:34:21.100 And so what we need to understand is that we need to, we're going to, there was also good stuff that they possessed certainly and that has endured.

01:34:27.800 We need to incorporate that along with a way of living that is in fact even older, even older than the American founders.

01:34:36.940 Going back to a more medievalist or pre-medievalist way of social organization, because the model we have for our current scenario is the collapse of Rome.

01:34:47.260 So we're looking at post-Roman models with kind of future technology.

01:34:51.280 That's, that's the reality that we're living in.

01:34:53.900 And so that's what we mean, you know, that's why I support kind of this American futurism is because I think that we need to work on actively reinvigorating these eternal principles into our current.

01:35:06.940 Living situations in keeping the particular local traditions that form our identity and that are good and that are synonymous and harmonious with the logos of God.

01:35:17.380 And in humility, there's, on a practical level, you know, it's, it is a just criticism to say it's LARPy to, to imagine what it's going to be like after, after the balkanization happens.

01:35:40.820 Right.

01:35:41.060 There's no way.

01:35:42.120 There's no way.

01:35:42.800 Exactly.

01:35:43.920 You know, there, there's a, there's a sort of, there's a, there's a point past which it is impossible to make predictions because the situation becomes so fluid and chaotic.

01:35:53.660 That's the time you're living in.

01:35:54.980 You can't make predictions past like tomorrow.

01:35:56.440 Exactly.

01:35:58.760 But on the other hand, we can say, well, we may not be able to say exactly what the particular situation will be like in, in particular, but generally speaking, things will be more fluid, more chaotic.

01:36:10.800 And that will create an opportunity for people who are prepared for the day to step forward and be the seed crystal around which a new polity emerges.

01:36:23.360 Precisely.

01:36:23.800 That's exactly what it's about.

01:36:26.480 And that's, um, what we're trying to do is trying to give people the intellectual capital here to do that.

01:36:32.140 Right.

01:36:33.140 Um, and it, the, the future belongs to those who show up.

01:36:37.980 So when we talk about American nationalism and, and, and the future of the white race, you know, we'll win if we do what's necessary to win. 0.95

01:36:44.960 Right.

01:36:45.300 And so the, the techniques that are good and successful will become obvious because those will be the ones that will work.

01:36:54.760 Um, and the goal is to show up.

01:36:59.160 Right.

01:36:59.600 And to show up better than everybody else.

01:37:01.920 And so that's what we have to do.

01:37:04.620 Um, you know, and there's been discussion like in South Africa, we can see what's happening.

01:37:09.140 Right.

01:37:09.780 I mean, the Swetelanders have been going around. 1.00

01:37:11.500 God bless those guys, you know, support their efforts.

01:37:13.340 Certainly.

01:37:13.700 Um, and, and South Africa, we stay behind them 100%. 0.96

01:37:16.400 The, the, but if we look at South Africa, we can see the consequences politically of not acting.

01:37:23.860 You know, Eugene Ter Blanche drew an armored car into the building where de Klerk and the ANC were negotiating the transfer of power.

01:37:36.340 Um, because they wanted to try and prevent, you know, what they knew would occur when apartheid ended.

01:37:41.400 And de Klerk, like, you know, they called in attack helicopters on Eugene Ter Blanche and his men.

01:37:49.180 And so they basically said to de Klerk, they said, okay, well, you know, your choice is you can let us go and nobody gets charged or we'll kill you all right now. 0.99

01:37:57.200 And yeah, we'll die, but you'll all be dead. 0.95

01:38:00.000 And so they let them go.

01:38:02.020 But that's the situation, you know, they, they, even with that level of action, right, there was, there was no success.

01:38:06.940 Now it's different, obviously, in South Africa because the demographics are different, right?

01:38:10.040 If South Africa was 40% white right now, it would, it would be a different story or 30% white to be a different story. 0.71

01:38:15.580 You know, but that is the future that awaits us, um, if we are not successful.

01:38:20.840 Um, you know, in any, here's the thing that, um, I was sitting with some family members the other day, family and friends, and they, uh, the, you know, kind of bourgeois family members, and they were toasting to the victory of Macron in France.

01:38:35.240 Right.

01:38:37.000 And so.

01:38:38.140 Oh my.

01:38:39.040 Dude, so I laughed and I just said, you know, well, you know, yeah, we'll toast to that.

01:38:45.440 You know, France, uh, you're not going to like what happens in a couple of years.

01:38:48.880 I can say that.

01:38:50.700 Because, you know, of course, Macron supports these Merkel style immigration policies, right?

01:38:55.700 Of course.

01:38:56.380 Yeah.

01:38:56.560 And, and, you know, uh, yeah, that's, that's, that's the sort of, that's where we can, we can agree with the liberals for the wrong reasons.

01:39:04.920 Like, yes, you know, I support Macron because he, he will aim the car towards the wall and slam on the accelerator.

01:39:13.080 Well, yeah, there's a certain, there's a certain, it's too late now.

01:39:16.060 It doesn't matter if you support him or not because he's in, right?

01:39:18.220 And so the issue is that in France, you know, um, things are not going to be good.

01:39:24.840 Things are not going to be good in the future.

01:39:26.760 And these, these people who are toasting, you know, Macron, they don't, you know, they don't realize like what will occur.

01:39:32.520 Um, and the naivete is criminal because they ought to, it's not difficult to understand is that if, once the demographics continue to shift in France, you know, as more groups come in to compete for the same resources, the same infrastructure, the conflict levels will increase.

01:39:50.120 Things, things will get spicier, things will escalate.

01:39:53.520 And that conflict will eventually turn into, you know, like open warfare.

01:39:57.440 Um, you know, you, you can talk about the race war and I think, you know, that in the United States, there may or may not be a race war.

01:40:04.740 Um, but in Europe, I think that that kind of level of conflict is almost inevitable.

01:40:11.580 Um, because there's no way that these two groups of people can subsist next to one another without conflict because they've, and they've been doing it for the last 1500 years.

01:40:21.460 You know, and this is one of these things.

01:40:24.060 I've seen these people come up with these ideas like this, that, you know, Islam, that the United States, you know, Zong wants to play up the threat of radical Islamic terrorism using a false dialectic, um, and in order to, you know, get us to play into their goals of like bombing the Middle East.

01:40:41.200 Right.

01:40:41.320 Well, sure.

01:40:43.040 I don't think we can argue that that's not what they want.

01:40:45.500 Right.

01:40:46.600 That's the case. 0.99

01:40:47.360 That's obviously the case, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't, um, kick up Muslims and fight them. 1.00

01:40:53.000 Um, right. 0.99

01:40:54.020 Yeah.

01:40:54.220 You know, I don't, I don't mind Muslims in, in, in, in, in Muslim mania. 1.00

01:40:57.960 I mind Muslims here.

01:41:00.300 Right.

01:41:02.540 Exactly.

01:41:03.120 And that's the thing.

01:41:03.860 And so the, you know, I don't think anybody is interested in bombing, you know, the Saudis.

01:41:09.180 Um, you know, they can, they can stay in.

01:41:11.320 Um, but what I am interested is I am interested in fighting the enemies that are on our borders, you know, like Turks, for example, uh, and so on. 1.00

01:41:22.500 So I just think I thought that was an interesting caveat.

01:41:24.800 So we've more or less come to the end of our subject.

01:41:26.960 I mean, Doc, do you have anything you wanted to say on, on social?

01:41:31.240 Well, just, you know, the, I, I, I, I do want to say that, um, one of the reasons why we have to be thinking and, and, and,

01:41:41.320 um, acting, um, now, rather than, um, you know, one might say save our powder for that day upon which, uh, the system does finally show its cracks and come apart and, and, and, and that, that moment of opportunity arise.

01:41:59.080 The reason why we need to be acting now and assisting in acceleration, as it were, assisting in the centrifugal, uh, uh, pressures that are pulling, uh, the state apart and, and assist that process.

01:42:15.360 The reason why that's necessary is because, well, as Adam Smith correctly says, there is a lot, there is a lot of ruin in a nation, all right?

01:42:26.020 It is, while it is certain that the system will come apart someday, it is by no means certain that it will be within our lifetimes.

01:42:35.480 And there is, there, there is no way of knowing, no way of even conceiving of the amount of harm and evil and degeneracy that could be done to ourselves and to our children and to our children's children in the meantime.

01:42:54.140 You know, and I, I think that the real, the question here, and we could really do a whole Mysterium episode on this is what is the level of the deep state, um, or the regime capital R, how powerful are our enemies?

01:43:07.800 Um, you know, because if we kind of look at things from the outside and, you know, we make the presumption of like, okay, you know, our enemies, it's like a whole bunch of, you know, capital owners who are able to influence the democratic process that, you know, the financiers by the media.

01:43:24.140 And the, the military, uh, and the politicians that control the military, right?

01:43:27.760 And that's how the regime operates.

01:43:28.820 That's how the system operates.

01:43:30.980 Um, you know, that what we can just rely on is the collapse of capital, right?

01:43:36.220 That the, you know, the, the human capital that supplies the military caste and the, um, economic caste will just like eventually living conditions will become so bad that it will just collapse because they're violating natural law and that that's bound, they're bound to run into natural law problems, uh, natural law punishments.

01:43:54.140 Now, the problem that we're starting to get into is that the technology that we're, we're talking about with some, with our opponents is, um, you know, there's serious reason to believe that they have, you know, a lot more power, um, you know, internally than we give them.

01:44:10.340 Um, you know, if we talk, so if we're talking about like the American, you know, deep state, um, you know, we want to, we want to discuss like, you know, so how deep is it actually?

01:44:20.760 You know, what do they have?

01:44:22.240 I mean, we know that they have like deep underground military bases, like in Cheyenne mountain and so on.

01:44:26.180 Um, that's overt, right?

01:44:28.760 Um, and we know that they do things like MK ultra, these things have all come out into the light.

01:44:32.980 We know that they, um, are involved in all of these occult activities.

01:44:36.360 We know where the deep science method comes from.

01:44:39.260 We understand the spiritual implications of what's going on with the enlightenment, um, background for the ruling structure.

01:44:46.720 That's, that's come upon us.

01:44:48.720 And so, you know, the question becomes like, if, you know, let's say we get to a point where we might expect, you know, let's say in 30 years, we get to the point of civil unrest.

01:44:57.880 We might expect a collapse of, um, you know, ruling authority in the occident and the collapse of the state of state apparatus.

01:45:06.220 Well, what, what happens if we get to that point and the state apparatus doesn't actually collapse that, you know, there's the automatization.

01:45:12.880 Automatization enables them to basically do a breakaway civilization, um, where they can continue to oppress us and exert power over us and control us for their ends, you know, based on, on raw violence.

01:45:26.700 This is, this is like, uh, this is a serious question.

01:45:30.180 This is a serious question.

01:45:31.260 I think the state presents an existential threat like this.

01:45:34.240 Uh, and I think that the exog, you know, we don't want to overestimate their power and they're not, you know, omnipowerful.

01:45:41.020 But I think that there are, there's evidence that suggests that, you know, the American, uh, the, not, you know, Zog is a lot deeper than we might give it credit for. 0.53

01:45:52.240 We might care to admit it to open discussion.

01:45:54.700 Um, and when you start looking at the evidence behind, you know, like secret weapons projects, you know, we talk about, um, you know, disc craft and, uh, you know, genetic modification, uh, mind control.

01:46:07.940 Well, these things are all public.

01:46:09.420 We know that the government has worked in these things and weather modification.

01:46:12.340 These are not, it's not a conspiracy theory.

01:46:14.140 Like we, we know that patents by these big military industrial corporations, RAND and so on, have been filed on technologies to do these kinds of things.

01:46:25.760 Right.

01:46:26.460 Yeah.

01:46:26.880 Yeah, absolutely.

01:46:27.720 And, and, um, even without, um, these, uh, the, the, the possible, um, transhuman threat of a sort of, even without the, the cyborg marines, you know?

01:46:43.120 Yeah.

01:46:43.380 Even without the very real and don't, don't, don't misunderstand me.

01:46:46.380 I am not discounting this threat at all.

01:46:48.440 I, I seriously believe that it's a real threat that, you know, uh, a Jewish cyborg vampire master race sometime in the future, that's certainly within their own possibility. 1.00

01:46:58.480 But even on a, even in an agricultural society, right, if you look at from, uh, the, how long it takes to go from, say, the crisis of the third century to, uh, the, the final, um, act with, uh, uh, the, uh, what was the last emperor?

01:47:20.340 Romulus, um, the usurpation of Romulus by, uh, by a Visigoth, um, that's generations.

01:47:28.140 That's like five generations.

01:47:30.440 Right.

01:47:31.040 Yeah.

01:47:31.920 You know, um, uh, left to themselves, the state can muddle along just enough to prevent the cell from completely collapsing.

01:47:43.100 Right.

01:47:43.500 Well, and the, the foreign element that we've introduced in, uh, in our scenario is the high technology, right?

01:47:50.340 Because the high technology enables, um, the historical processes to become faster and more refined.

01:47:56.520 That's what the mechanization does is it increases the efficacy of the instruments of power.

01:48:02.540 Right.

01:48:03.140 So we can inflict a lot more destruction than we could in the Roman period. 0.98

01:48:06.880 Right.

01:48:07.640 You know, we could, we can destroy cities with our weapons.

01:48:11.120 The world we can destroy.

01:48:13.800 Um, we can communicate.

01:48:16.360 Well, the words that I'm speaking right now in Rome, I mean, if, if, if 2000 or 3000 people came to listen to a leader speak, that's a serious, that's a, that's, that's a huge presence.

01:48:26.460 But I, you know, I can just sit in my office in, in, uh, at my desk and make this podcast and the same amount of people will listen to me speak.

01:48:33.660 This is what technology.

01:48:34.340 In the, uh, in the secret Mysterium, um, command bunker, of course.

01:48:38.420 Of course, yes.

01:48:39.100 I'm going to see, sitting, uh, live Argentina. 0.86

01:48:41.460 I'm actually in the Antarctic.

01:48:43.220 I've, uh, been in communication with the spirit of Adolf Hitler. 0.82

01:48:47.120 Um, we've established, uh, a pact with, you know, the, the Pleiadian Nordic aliens in order to, uh, to liberate the Aryan race from the oppressive shackles of the, uh, the, the demiurgic Jewish forces. 0.96

01:49:00.580 No, I'm joking, but, um, but I think, yeah, yeah, this is the, these are the questions that we need to ask.

01:49:05.640 And with technology, I think that the caveat it throws in is that these, the, the buildup and the collapse can all both happen very, very quickly.

01:49:12.900 So if you want to look at what a real life example of this kind of collapse of an empire looks like Soviet Union, nobody expected the Soviet collapse and it collapsed overnight. 0.98

01:49:23.260 And what happened is it devolved to inferior powers and everything was pretty shit. 0.77

01:49:29.260 I mean, you know, I mean, here's the thing, this is, gives me hope is because the Soviets definitely had serious, crazy deep state apparatus and nukes and all of the, you know, probably even crazier stuff than the Americans. 0.96

01:49:39.640 Right.

01:49:40.580 But the Soviet state regime, you know, still did collapse.

01:49:44.460 Now, some people say that this is all part of the false dialectic, you know, and so on, and that it was designed to collapse.

01:49:49.260 But I mean,

01:49:49.860 Oh yeah, yeah.

01:49:50.400 The Soviet Union never really fell.

01:49:52.380 Uh, Gorbachev is still actually the, the, the puppeteer behind Putin.

01:49:56.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:49:56.680 I know.

01:49:57.440 Yeah.

01:49:57.940 And so I just, there's a certain level.

01:49:59.340 It's like, well, how many, you know, narratives within a narrative, and this is the problem with the devil, right?

01:50:03.840 And that is, it's the confusion.

01:50:05.480 Wherever there's confusion, you can be sure the devil is close at hand because when there is a legitimate spectrum of possible scenarios, then many, many lies can masquerade as potentially true.

01:50:15.660 Um, and that's the issue that we run into, um, when we're talking geopolitics, when we're talking these grand narrative issues is that, um, you know, there are many, many, many lies that masquerade as the truth.

01:50:29.560 And that's exactly what our enemies want.

01:50:35.340 So, anyway, I think we've come to the end of the section.

01:50:37.520 It's a good, uh, very good podcast so far.

01:50:39.940 Um, we're moving into the, uh, Kali Yuga News segment of the show.

01:50:46.820 Kali Yuga News.

01:50:49.160 Ooh, exactly.

01:50:51.500 So our first story is from dailystormer.com.

01:50:55.220 Guy who invented online suicide game aimed at children arrested receives dozens of love letters in jail.

01:51:07.740 Even in Russia, one of the least cucked and least feminized countries in the world, the need for white Sharia is great. 1.00

01:51:14.460 And there is no one who benefits more from white Sharia than women. 0.92

01:51:17.700 It can literally save their lives.

01:51:20.960 The man from behind a sick suicide game, the Daily Mail reports, aimed at children, has been inundated with love letters from teenage girls addressed to him at a Russian jail where he is in custody.

01:51:31.900 Philip Bedoukin is being held in charges of inciting at least 16 schoolgirls to kill themselves by taking part in the social media craze called Blue Whale, which police fear is spreading to Britain.

01:51:45.680 The Russian 21-year-old is now confessed to crimes.

01:51:51.360 He says he thinks of his victims as biological waste and told the police that they were happy to die and he was cleansing society.

01:52:01.440 Man, I wish Graeva Hans was here.

01:52:04.820 Ah, holy moly.

01:52:06.700 Ah, what can you say, dude?

01:52:08.060 Ah, um, I...

01:52:14.060 It's difficult.

01:52:17.500 I'm seeing fire.

01:52:17.960 Bring it now.

01:52:18.120 It's difficult.

01:52:18.960 You know, you can't even, you know, you get to these stories.

01:52:21.520 It's just, it's like...

01:52:24.060 Ah.

01:52:27.620 Okay, so, like...

01:52:30.620 So, normally...

01:52:32.580 There's so many elements here, right?

01:52:33.840 I, normally I tend to support, um, so-called bullying amongst children, right?

01:52:40.240 You know, children need to push each other in order for them to grow.

01:52:44.580 Like, I, I, I, I tend to counter-signal the, this, this anti-bullying thing.

01:52:50.280 Um, now, I mean, I'm willing to be corrected upon, uh, on that principle.

01:52:54.120 I'm, I'm not wedded to that, um, deeply, but it's just how I tend to see things.

01:52:58.340 But this, this is something else altogether.

01:53:01.180 I mean, it, this, this guy that's doing this, how old is he?

01:53:06.880 Um, 21. 0.58

01:53:08.640 Yeah, so this is an adult, like, getting children to kill themselves.

01:53:15.820 Like, that's how I understand, like, okay, so...

01:53:19.020 That's, that's something else entirely.

01:53:21.620 I mean, this is just, this is...

01:53:23.340 Well, here, let's, let's hear this.

01:53:24.160 Let's, let me, let's read on.

01:53:25.360 The lethal game called Blue Whale involves brainwashing vulnerable teenagers over a period

01:53:31.900 of 50 days, urging them to complete tasks from watching horror movies to waking at strange

01:53:36.980 hours and self-harming.

01:53:39.020 Eventually, exhausted and confused, they are told to commit suicide, and it is feared in

01:53:42.920 Russia that dozens have done so at the beginning of Budaikin or other mentors.

01:53:47.240 Russian prison authorities say that they ever see dozens of love letters from teenage girls,

01:53:52.160 et cetera.

01:53:52.660 They're worrying them by law, they say they cannot ban Budaikin, also known by the name

01:53:57.900 Philip Lee, meaning Fox, from receiving and replying to teenage girls who supply their 0.70

01:54:03.920 addresses. 0.99

01:54:06.600 Well, they could kill him, and that would stop that. 0.98

01:54:11.160 Yeah, I mean, ultimately, that's what has to happen here. 0.99

01:54:13.720 I mean, this is, this guy is clearly a rabid animal. 0.93

01:54:18.340 You know, it's his servant of the devil, right? 0.98

01:54:19.960 Yeah, absolutely.

01:54:21.640 It's not a question, even if you don't believe in the devil, I mean, this, like, if you were

01:54:24.680 the devil, what kind of things would you have, would you want to do, right?

01:54:28.320 If you hated, you know, if you thought that regular Russians were your enemies, right?

01:54:33.880 And so this is just, it's, there's so many levels here.

01:54:36.400 I mean, the big, the one that Andrew England is talking about is that, you know, this is

01:54:39.400 enabled by lack of patriarchy.

01:54:42.060 Because, you know, if these women had strong patriarchy in their lives, you know, they wouldn't 1.00

01:54:46.780 be allowed to talk to men like this over the internet. 1.00

01:54:50.540 They wouldn't be allowed to get into this bullshit. 0.99

01:54:52.400 And if, you know, this happened in a, in a, in a society that was more face to face, you 1.00

01:54:57.220 know, if a, like a young man tries to do this to your daughter, I mean, you go, you beat 1.00

01:54:59.980 the fucking shit out of him. 0.99

01:55:00.960 And if he tries it in, you know, you, you lynch him yourself, um, you know, cause he's 1.00

01:55:05.000 trying to kill your daughter, right?

01:55:06.960 I couldn't, I couldn't even begin to describe for you what I would do if someone was trying 0.94

01:55:12.760 this on my daughter.

01:55:13.640 Right.

01:55:14.000 Well, that's, that's the thing.

01:55:14.920 It's this, this is explicitly his, his, there are these guys of purpose is to corrupt and 0.99

01:55:19.500 kill vulnerable, young Russian women. 1.00

01:55:22.660 These are the worst scum, right? 1.00

01:55:24.340 But the thing is that we have to admit, we have to understand that women have lower agency. 1.00

01:55:27.420 Women are more vulnerable, especially to these sort of emotional,

01:55:30.640 emotional manipulations, uh, and that, you know, if we want to have a healthy society

01:55:34.620 that survives, you know, for their own protection, they need to be protected under patriarchy.

01:55:39.000 And that's just, that's just the way things work.

01:55:41.340 And if you don't do this or civilizations fall apart, it's simple.

01:55:45.040 I have been called, uh, misogynist before.

01:55:48.360 Uh, you know, I am not one who believes in, in gender so-called equality, but even to me, 0.96

01:55:56.240 this is shocking as a professed patriarchal, you know, quote unquote, misogynist, uh, et cetera.

01:56:02.400 As a Nazi, I am shocked about how gullible these young women are. 1.00

01:56:09.480 Like, I, how, how does this make sense to, to engage with this, this, this self-harming 1.00

01:56:14.920 crap? 0.98

01:56:15.680 Like, I don't. 1.00

01:56:17.360 Uh, well, it's a detention thing, right?

01:56:20.220 It, it must be.

01:56:21.200 It must be.

01:56:21.600 And you just, um, and that's the thing without, like, so women have a profound desire to be 0.99

01:56:26.980 integrated into a society, into a system.

01:56:30.520 Um, and this is where they tend to get their meaning in life from.

01:56:33.240 We can get really esoteric with this analysis, but this is, women are, they tend to gravitate 1.00

01:56:38.440 towards the mean of any bell curve of any distribution because their purpose is to act as like the glue

01:56:44.920 of a group, they have the reproductive apparatus necessary to continue biologically the reproduction 0.79

01:56:50.900 and they're essential for, for raising children.

01:56:53.380 So at a very practical, you know, mundane, gross level, that's, they're necessary, but

01:56:56.960 even spiritually, right?

01:56:58.360 Women tend to carry on, um, they tend to deviate towards the status quo and they carry on what 1.00

01:57:03.820 is the established tradition.

01:57:05.360 And so when women grow up in this kind of post-communist, post-90s Russia, where there

01:57:10.880 is this cultural vacuum, Russia is not a Christian country these days.

01:57:14.300 You know, you don't have strong Orthodox patriarchy like you used to.

01:57:18.800 You don't even have Soviet, you know, atheistic control.

01:57:22.700 You know, this, this is what occurs.

01:57:25.660 And, um, yeah, these, these daughters, well, it's, you know, so the first predator that comes 1.00

01:57:30.680 along that, you know, gives them something, something fucking damn foolish and, and, you 0.98

01:57:34.960 know, that makes them, uh, gives them these feelings, right? 0.99

01:57:38.500 The first one that gives them enough attention to get their, um, their hamster wheels turning.

01:57:42.500 Exactly.

01:57:42.980 I mean, you know, we could be more vulgar with it, but I think you get, get what I'm

01:57:45.780 saying is, uh, then that's how these young girls work, right? 1.00

01:57:50.420 And, um, if we don't, that's really what it comes down to.

01:57:53.900 And, you know, women don't prevent this typically. 1.00

01:57:56.560 They don't, um, assert the degree of orderliness and control over their, their daughter's lives

01:58:01.620 that prevents the sort of behavior that tend to be complicit in it.

01:58:05.180 And this is what happens with single mothers and high divorce rates. 1.00

01:58:09.500 And so it's just, um, here's the thing.

01:58:12.100 It's very simple.

01:58:13.320 Do you want healthy children or not?

01:58:18.120 Because in the current day, if you, the current year, if you allow this to, if you do allow

01:58:21.580 these, these things to occur, you don't, you know, your daughters kill themselves.

01:58:24.780 Well, yeah, yeah, I mean, um, I, I know that there's, there's lots of, um, there's, there's

01:58:33.720 lots of, uh, distress in, in the right about, uh, how much patriarchy is enough patriarchy.

01:58:40.820 But, um, you know, quite frankly, um, given where we are today with monsters like this preying

01:58:47.940 upon our daughters, you, you know, you need to understand ladies that, um, uh, you'll, 0.94

01:58:55.160 you'll know that, uh, that we've reached enough patriarchy when men get tired of enforcing 0.95

01:59:00.520 it.

01:59:00.780 All right.

01:59:01.120 It's, it's just, it's the question is not yours.

01:59:04.980 Right.

01:59:05.500 Exactly.

01:59:06.080 And that's what it comes down to.

01:59:07.420 And, um, you know, here's the, the problem is that if we, to speak this frankly with most

01:59:13.000 people on the street, you know, they'll shy away from it.

01:59:15.400 And so the, the issue is, here's the thing, right?

01:59:21.080 Um, people tend to follow figures and leaders of authority.

01:59:25.060 So people, men who are listening to this podcast, you know, you can be, um, a leader in whatever

01:59:30.200 petty way.

01:59:30.820 And I don't mean that as a, as a denegrative, I mean that to say that we all have our small

01:59:35.960 ways in which we can try to bring, um, just order and rule of law to our lives.

01:59:43.400 I mean, and that starts with the self, right?

01:59:44.840 We have to fight our own passions and try to live our lives rationally in an orderly

01:59:48.900 way.

01:59:49.200 And we're all sinful.

01:59:50.000 We're all very sinful, which we were very bad at this thing.

01:59:53.020 And especially as products of the current age, you know, we all have our, our, our vices

01:59:57.260 that we, we struggle with every day.

01:59:59.000 You know, there's not a day that goes by that I sin and I, I don't sin.

02:00:02.180 And I think, you know, I wish I could, you know, improve myself even more than I am.

02:00:07.020 Right.

02:00:07.320 But it's a matter of continual effort.

02:00:09.180 Right.

02:00:09.360 And, um, this is why we need the grace of God is because before we begin to master that

02:00:14.280 which is without, we have to master that which is within.

02:00:17.520 And if we can't hope to, to assert control over our families and our communities and our

02:00:24.200 society, if we don't have control over ourselves.

02:00:26.840 And this is the, like it or not, this is shitty, it's hard, um, it's laborious and it's not 0.89

02:00:33.020 fun. 0.67

02:00:33.420 And then we just have to do it.

02:00:35.000 Um, and it's just necessary.

02:00:36.820 And that's where, you know, everything comes back to at the end of the day, because we don't

02:00:41.620 have these, this prerequisite internal issues dealt with. 0.94

02:00:45.080 We don't have our shit worked out and we're not going to be able to effectively act upon, 0.95

02:00:49.120 uh, upon our enemies. 0.99

02:00:50.320 So, yeah, um, you know, it is true to say that women are the bearers of culture, but

02:01:00.340 if your culture is nihilism, then here we are.

02:01:05.540 Right.

02:01:06.500 Right.

02:01:07.000 Exactly.

02:01:08.680 Exactly.

02:01:09.240 So, yeah, you know, the guy should be hunting that would solve a lot of these problems. 1.00

02:01:12.200 You know, women are retarded. 1.00

02:01:13.740 You know, we need patriarchy. 1.00

02:01:14.920 So, um, burned at the stake in public, but yeah, something.

02:01:17.780 Yeah. 0.98

02:01:17.960 And I, you know, when I say women are retarded, I mean, it's just that this is a way, young 1.00

02:01:21.280 women, you know, young men also are kind of the same, same thing, but they do it in, they 1.00

02:01:25.140 express this, this idiocy in different ways. 1.00

02:01:27.400 Right. 1.00

02:01:27.820 Is there both foolish, uh, damn foolish and young men need structure as well, or they do 1.00

02:01:33.600 really stupid things. 1.00

02:01:34.480 Like young men need to be in, you know, a matter of when they need older men to show them how 1.00

02:01:38.820 to be who they are.

02:01:40.660 Right.

02:01:41.360 Young women need older ladies. 1.00

02:01:43.260 You can get a teenage boy to do just about anything. 0.99

02:01:45.180 If you, if you tell him, if he doesn't, he's a coward. 0.98

02:01:47.140 Yeah. 0.97

02:01:47.580 Right.

02:01:47.820 Exactly.

02:01:48.700 Exactly.

02:01:49.700 And so, you know, we need, you know, young ladies to have, um, you know, peer groups

02:01:54.100 of healthy young women and even older women that, you know, support them and help them

02:01:58.760 be good, good young people.

02:02:01.080 Right.

02:02:01.780 And that's what it's supposed to be about is it's, it's, it's not about, you know,

02:02:05.580 chattel slavery or anything like this.

02:02:07.560 Of course, in, in Germanic society, Western European society, women have been free.

02:02:11.660 That's not what the question is.

02:02:12.900 Right.

02:02:14.220 But what is free, right?

02:02:16.800 Free to be what?

02:02:20.320 You know, free to be the fullest version of yourself, free to flourish, free to be a 1.00

02:02:25.840 virtuous young woman, free to be a slut, free to be a whore. 1.00

02:02:30.540 Germanic women have never had the freedom to be a whore. 1.00

02:02:33.700 Never had a freedom to, you know, to be seduced by evil foreign men who get them to kill themselves. 1.00

02:02:39.540 That's not freedom.

02:02:41.660 That's death.

02:02:42.260 That's tyranny.

02:02:43.300 That's slavery. 0.99

02:02:46.920 And, you know, you would think that, um, married woman would, would realize that, um, allowing, 0.81

02:02:53.940 uh, unmarried maidens to go about, uh, presenting their wares for all to see is a direct threat 1.00

02:03:03.020 to the stability of, of their hearth and home.

02:03:05.920 Well, yeah, exactly.

02:03:08.140 Exactly.

02:03:09.100 Um, but the problem is, is that this gets back to birth control, which we can do, we can

02:03:12.100 do another Mysterium episode on is this, this contraceptive culture has freaked all this 0.99

02:03:15.600 stuff up.

02:03:17.540 Um, and that's a culturally until we, you know, just begin to realize that, wow, um, when you

02:03:22.260 remove all of the natural law consequences for promiscuous sex, for licentious sex, um,

02:03:28.420 you get bad vices developing, sinful habits go unpunished, right?

02:03:35.380 And unexpected pregnancies, babies that you can't abort, that you have to deal with are

02:03:39.780 a really good way to deal with, um, our natural, you know, consequence of licentious sex.

02:03:46.120 Yeah, yeah, you know, you didn't want to be responsible, now, now you get to be extra

02:03:56.000 responsible.

02:03:57.500 Right.

02:03:58.720 Exactly.

02:03:59.720 Exactly.

02:04:00.380 So, I mean, let's move on to some of these next Cal Yoga news stories.

02:04:04.620 Again, from dailystormer.com.

02:04:07.100 On Let's Talk, you wanted to take a story?

02:04:08.460 Um, yeah, uh, so, let's talk about this, um, hacker thing.

02:04:19.880 Well, let me see if my computer's going to cooperate here.

02:04:23.440 I ran somewhere.

02:04:30.640 Okay, well, uh, why don't you take the next one?

02:04:33.480 My computer's not, uh, not cooperating with me.

02:04:35.860 Uh, sure, I'll, I'll just do this, uh, so the dailystormer.com, from Spartacus, new author,

02:04:43.540 uh, shock, survey finds that the more you know about kikes, the more prejudiced you are

02:04:48.920 towards them.

02:04:50.020 Hmm.

02:04:52.040 A recent poll from Pure Research studying religious and political views of Central and Eastern

02:04:56.580 European countries came out Wednesday.

02:04:58.820 The main point is, of course, hatred for innocent Jews, who never did nothing to nobody, but are 1.00

02:05:04.580 nonetheless hated for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

02:05:07.360 Hmm, that's curious.

02:05:08.260 Why would that be?

02:05:09.440 From Breitbart.com, Pew conducted the survey from June 2015 to June 2016 through face-to-face

02:05:14.780 interviews in 17 languages with more than 25,000 adults aged 18 and older.

02:05:20.420 The survey spans an area running from eastward from the Czech Republic and Poland to Russia,

02:05:26.040 Georgia, Armenia, and southwards from the Baltic states to the Balkans and Greece.

02:05:30.040 It surveyed residents of 18 countries, finding less than 50% of respondents indicated they

02:05:35.600 would accept having Jewish family members.

02:05:39.300 Anti-Jewish sentiment varied between different countries, with some nationalities more predisposed

02:05:45.400 than others towards open hostility to members of the Jewish faith.

02:05:48.740 A third of Armenians polled in the study said Jews should not be citizens, significantly higher

02:05:53.300 than the median anti-Jewish sentiment measured in other countries.

02:05:56.200 Countries with a large Jewish population prior to the Holocaust registered higher levels of

02:06:02.100 anti-Jewish sentiment, including Lithuania 23%, Romania 22%, Czech Republic 19%, and Poland

02:06:07.920 18%.

02:06:09.200 So essentially what the author is pointing out, that contact, historical contact and experience

02:06:16.240 with large populations of Jews in your country tends to lead to anti-Semitism.

02:06:22.800 Now, our listeners might have already probably figured out why this is occurring, but it is

02:06:36.800 in fact occurring because of the behavior of the Jewish people who live in those countries. 0.81

02:06:41.860 It's the bad behavior of groups of Jews that gets people to hate them. 1.00

02:06:48.240 It's very simple.

02:06:51.240 And it's just not a, you know, this, that's the thing, right? 0.57

02:06:56.040 If you're a Jew, and I've actually, I asked this to one of my Jewish professors who stabbed me in the back

02:06:59.380 at one point.

02:07:00.860 I said to him, I said, you know, sir, why, why are there all these Jews who just show up in these 1.00

02:07:07.240 revolutionary positions, like in communism and in Germany and what's going on here?

02:07:12.380 I'm like, what do you think?

02:07:13.120 What's going on?

02:07:14.040 And he said, he sighed and he basically said, you know, I can give you an answer, but I

02:07:17.920 just, I don't know.

02:07:18.880 I don't know.

02:07:19.640 So the best narrative they have is either it's all a conspiracy that people hate Jews for 0.94

02:07:23.600 no reason whatsoever.

02:07:26.020 Or they just don't know.

02:07:29.700 That's really the best they got.

02:07:31.200 The best they've got.

02:07:31.980 Well, you know, I have heard one particular Jew who blames, who says that all this revolution

02:07:48.020 stuff isn't, isn't Orthodox Judaism, but it's, it's this, it's, it's, it's Kabbalistic Judaism.

02:07:58.140 And I think that's a little bit of a self-serving explanation, uh, particularly because, um, this

02:08:04.380 has been going on before the Kabbalah was a thing.

02:08:07.820 So.

02:08:08.660 Yeah, precisely.

02:08:09.400 That's a, sorry, Shlomo, not going to work.

02:08:13.060 Yeah.

02:08:13.560 I mean, it's not, you know, this is basically, this, this is what's going on in Eastern Europe,

02:08:17.080 right?

02:08:17.260 I mean, everybody knows Eastern Europe suffered under, um, Judaic communism, um, you know,

02:08:24.200 Tammanic Bolshevism, and now that they are not ruled by Jewish communists, they have a 0.97

02:08:31.120 higher resistance to the effects of Jewish communist rule.

02:08:33.920 So it's that simple.

02:08:35.940 You know, it's not, not really going to get any more complicated than that. 0.78

02:08:40.660 With Jews, you lose. 1.00

02:08:43.160 Exactly.

02:08:43.780 Do you have the next article you want to present, Doc?

02:08:46.020 Did you figure that out?

02:08:47.620 Yes.

02:08:48.060 Okay.

02:08:48.340 So here we go.

02:08:48.920 Um, headline.

02:08:52.920 Headline, um, New York Times.

02:08:55.920 Hackers hit dozens of countries exploiting stolen NSA tool.

02:09:03.500 Uh, San Francisco.

02:09:05.640 Hackers exploiting malicious software stolen from the National Security Agency executing damaging

02:09:10.880 cyber attacks on Friday that hit dozens of countries worldwide, forcing Britain's public

02:09:17.060 health system to send patients away, freezing computers at Russia's interior ministry.

02:09:22.920 And wrecking havoc on tens of thousands of computers elsewhere.

02:09:26.560 The attacks amounted to an audacious global blackmail attempt spread by the internet and

02:09:32.640 underscored the vulnerabilities of the digital age.

02:09:36.540 Transmitted via email, the malicious software locked British hospitals out of their computer

02:09:42.500 systems and demanded ransom before users could be let back in, with a threat that data would

02:09:48.380 be destroyed if the demands were not met.

02:09:51.680 By late Friday, the attacks had spread to more than 74 countries, according to security

02:09:56.660 firms tracking the spread.

02:09:59.700 Kaspersky Lab, a Russian cybersecurity firm, said Russia was the worst hit, followed by Ukraine,

02:10:06.860 India, and Taiwan.

02:10:08.540 Reports of attacks also came from Latin America and Africa.

02:10:12.600 All right, so massive cyber attack.

02:10:20.540 Now, the first thing that jumps to mind here is, uh, what's the connection between this and

02:10:24.180 the Vault 7 leaks, the all of the NSA, uh, programs that were leaked, um, just several

02:10:30.600 weeks ago?

02:10:31.020 There's a direct connection.

02:10:33.100 Um, there's a, there's another story, um, that, uh, that talks about this more directly,

02:10:39.220 but, um, the, the particular tools that were used to create the, uh, the software exploit,

02:10:46.340 uh, that was used in this attack were, were directly from the Vault 7 revelations.

02:10:53.460 Basically, what happened is that, um, uh, someone, unidentified, broke into this, um, uh, this software

02:11:02.820 archive that was supposed to be secure and published all of this information, including

02:11:07.580 the, um, the software development tools and soft, worked software examples themselves out

02:11:14.420 onto the internet.

02:11:16.020 And, uh, of course, as, as we know, once it's out on the internet, um, it's there forever.

02:11:21.380 Like, there's no taking it back.

02:11:22.900 The genie is out of the bottle.

02:11:25.180 And so, obviously, someone has taken these tools, developed originally by the NSA for,

02:11:30.400 um, uh, um, covert direct cyber action.

02:11:35.500 For Zog warfare, basically. 1.00

02:11:36.620 For Zog warfare. 1.00

02:11:38.540 Uh, the same tools, uh, that are likely were used to develop the, um, uh, the virus that

02:11:46.740 was used to attack the Iranian, um, Iranian enrichment program, for example.

02:11:51.380 Um, uh, you know, basically anyone who has the technical capacity to reach out onto, um,

02:12:00.580 the Tor, uh, black net, uh, are, are available to, um, uh, to anyone and everyone who wants

02:12:09.700 to develop, uh, uh, a cyber warfare capability.

02:12:12.720 Um, so, uh, don't get used, I will say, don't get used to having the entire internet at your

02:12:23.120 fingertips at all times.

02:12:24.460 We're entering an age where, um, uh, anyone who wishes to engage in a massive denial of

02:12:32.000 service attack will have the capability to rapidly recruit a botnet using distributed

02:12:38.820 code and then execute a denial of service attack, uh, basically at will.

02:12:43.900 Um, and this could be done by 12 year olds in mom's basement. 0.94

02:12:46.900 Totally.

02:12:47.260 And that's what I think we're going to see is we're going to see fragmentation of the

02:12:51.580 internet where it will break off into national and, um, national blocks essentially.

02:12:58.380 And it will be, you'll see multiple competing intranets and so on.

02:13:01.560 And I think that's a good point.

02:13:02.620 I think the internet as a general system will prevail, uh, for the reasons that we've gives

02:13:07.060 is that the internet is, will always be as free as the freest country that's connected

02:13:11.240 to it is, you know, so as long as everybody can move the, you know, their servers to Taiwan

02:13:16.320 and they, they won't censor it, right.

02:13:18.440 The internet, you know, goes on as the wild west.

02:13:23.060 But anyway, back to, um, but yeah, go back to this, this issue.

02:13:25.920 So it's like, Hmm, now let's, that's very surprising to the NSA leaks secret technology.

02:13:31.420 The secret technology is then used to steal, to steal from everybody who could have predicted

02:13:39.540 this.

02:13:41.240 Uh, well, um, certainly, um, uh, the Electronic Frontier Foundation and, and other sort of,

02:13:52.080 uh, online rights organizations have been severely critical of government hacking, um, for a long

02:13:58.920 time.

02:13:59.260 Um, now it occurs to me that perhaps that this, um, uh, uh, uh, electronic weapons,

02:14:11.240 uh, proliferation and, and the, the consequential, um, breaking apart of the internet, uh, into

02:14:21.160 more national systems might be the goal behind the leak in the first place. 0.92

02:14:28.880 Uh, I, I, I, I think this might, this, this is, I think it, it, it, it's not too tinfoil

02:14:36.780 to say that, that what, what is desired is an end to the ability of nationalists, uh, to

02:14:44.880 cooperate globally against the, uh, against the system.

02:14:49.580 That's an interesting point.

02:14:50.840 And I think that it, I really wouldn't put it past the CIA to leak this stuff on purpose

02:14:55.400 to create this response.

02:14:57.100 Yeah.

02:14:58.880 I mean, I, I think you'll see now that, uh, the media will, will be, um, agitating, you

02:15:05.940 know, the government must do something, you know, we must have some sort of creation of

02:15:11.400 a government, a new three-letter government agency to police the internet and, and, uh,

02:15:17.160 and some, you know, uh, I think that's, that's the direction that's being pushed at this time.

02:15:22.480 Yeah, precisely.

02:15:25.440 Precisely.

02:15:26.220 All right.

02:15:26.660 I mean, we could cover more Kali Yuga news stories, but we're basically at the end of

02:15:29.420 our time, uh, today.

02:15:33.380 So, I don't know, Doc, do you want to hit any more stories or do you want to discuss this

02:15:36.340 anymore?

02:15:36.840 Or what do you think?

02:15:39.300 Well, I, I am, I do find myself mystified that hospitals are connecting their systems to

02:15:46.440 the internet.

02:15:48.040 Like, yeah, exactly.

02:15:49.160 It's really, you know, the internet is a, uh, fundamentally, um, uh, a broadcast communications

02:15:58.400 method.

02:15:59.260 Uh, so that you have fundamentally, even, even if you're following good practices, right?

02:16:07.020 Even if you have a proper DMZ and firewalls and yada, yada, yada, you have very little

02:16:13.840 control over who has access to any publicly available ports ultimately, and they can pass

02:16:20.960 whatever data they like, and if, if you're, the, and, and, and, and from this article,

02:16:29.660 you can see that the, the, the vector that they use to get access to systems is email.

02:16:34.940 And, um, and, and, and, and, and that's generally how these things go is that someone on the inside

02:16:42.780 opens up the email that they shouldn't have, despite all of the training and all the security

02:16:47.100 alerts and the, you know, don't open emails from, from people you don't know, and it's

02:16:52.100 got an executable file attached, don't open it.

02:16:54.580 And you can tell people all you like, but, uh, I've worked in it long enough to know that,

02:17:00.340 um, Bob will open the email just like he told him not to.

02:17:03.880 And then once he's opened the email and the code is running inside the network and has,

02:17:10.020 and elevates itself to, uh, to elevated administrator permissions, he's got you.

02:17:15.680 That's it.

02:17:16.400 You're done.

02:17:17.100 Yeah.

02:17:19.360 And so this is the thing.

02:17:20.360 I mean, um, this, the, the article that RT published on, I talked about the weaponization

02:17:26.000 of cyberspace and that's what we're going into with third generation warfare is, um, this

02:17:30.840 is full spectrum warfare boys.

02:17:32.780 And as this totalitarian ideologies are beginning to fight one another.

02:17:37.060 And so liberalism Zog wants your soul, wants your soul.

02:17:42.080 And so you need to fight back on the level of your soul, your spirit.

02:17:45.280 And that means that basically every other area of life, everything that's proper to human

02:17:49.180 affairs will become a struggle, will be weaponized against us.

02:17:53.940 And so in turn, we must fight them, uh, in the same way.

02:17:57.900 And so the alt-right has been wildly successful with our kind of insurgent, um, you know, decentralized

02:18:03.520 internet propaganda techniques, right? 1.00

02:18:06.240 Um, and we've made our enemies look like fools, damn fools and humiliated them. 1.00

02:18:11.320 Um, but that's what they're going to come after. 0.99

02:18:13.060 They want to limit our ability to do that because this isn't an effect.

02:18:15.600 This is an effective means to project power.

02:18:20.720 And so this is what I think the, did the CIA purposefully leak fault seven to create this

02:18:25.840 effect?

02:18:26.620 Uh, they could have, even if they didn't, this is probably how they're going to push it

02:18:30.300 is that they, um, create the problem, introduce the solution to our detriment.

02:18:36.280 Classic.

02:18:36.760 Well, yeah, yeah.

02:18:39.220 And, and that's, uh, that's what I think the, that the push is for is, you know, now they're

02:18:43.980 going to want, um, some sort of federal agency to police the internet, like I said.

02:18:49.020 And what that's going to mean is in, in practical terms, you know, they're going to be able to

02:18:55.020 come knock on your door and say, Hey, stop posting, you know, your, your, your smug pepes. 0.68

02:19:00.660 Yeah.

02:19:01.520 Stop posting your Richard Spencer beams.

02:19:05.480 Yeah.

02:19:05.920 So, uh, I think that it would behoove, um, uh, the aware and, um, mobile nationalists

02:19:15.900 to start thinking in terms of, okay, what's our fallback?

02:19:19.780 How do we preserve, uh, channels of communication to, uh, other allied groups?

02:19:27.140 That's a serious question.

02:19:28.720 You know, maybe we need to all seriously, you know, become conversant in, um, Unix and

02:19:35.740 Linux and, uh, Tor and all of these technologies that, that, um, that, that already exist.

02:19:43.900 And they're just a little bit more difficult to implement.

02:19:46.800 They're not as user-friendly.

02:19:48.400 It's not as plug and play as what we're used to in our consumer oriented, fast paced, uh, go, go, go, go world.

02:19:56.920 But, um, you know, uh, what's at, what's at stake is our freedom of operation.

02:20:01.960 Right, exactly.

02:20:05.560 And these are the questions that we're going to run into in the future because they are going

02:20:08.040 to come and clamp down on the internet.

02:20:09.120 So we need to be ready when that happens to duplicate that communications network.

02:20:13.420 And I think it can be done certainly, but we need to be aware before that happens and

02:20:17.840 not get caught with our prick out, uh, excuse the expression when it occurs.

02:20:21.380 And, um, that's basically the one in the short.

02:20:25.400 Now, you know, despite the fact that our dear friend Greva Hans left early this week, we

02:20:30.140 actually went, uh, got a good time, um, overtime actually.

02:20:34.700 So, um, it's about time to close the show to all of our listeners.

02:20:41.480 Thank you for joining us.

02:20:43.120 I'm your host, Florian Geyer.

02:20:45.740 This is Mysterium Fashies.

02:20:47.120 It's always a pleasure to have you with us.

02:20:48.800 Joining me this week, I have my co-host Greva Hans, who unfortunately had to leave midway

02:20:53.020 through because of the existential danger of being a Swede, um, creates as adverse work 1.00

02:20:58.540 conditions for this kind of, uh, task that we've set ourselves up for.

02:21:02.720 Doc Savage, thank you for coming on.

02:21:04.980 It's, uh, you know, you're always, uh, a pleasure to speak to.

02:21:08.040 We had a great conversation.

02:21:10.640 Uh, always glad to be here.

02:21:12.400 Hail Christ the King and hail victory.

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Mysterium Fasces Episode 27 — Collectivism

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