In this episode of Mysterium fashitiae, we discuss socialism and collectivism. We also discuss the SPLC lawsuit against Daily Stormer, Andrew Anglin and his supporters, and the importance of supporting the defense fund.
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00:04:48.440So the topic comes up because, you know, when we say here at the podcast that we are national socialists, oftentimes there is confusion on what we mean when we say socialist as a national socialist.
00:05:03.360So I'll begin and then just to give it, you know, give it to Doc and Hans.
00:05:08.780Socialism does not necessarily mean Marxism.
00:05:12.860But in the 19th and 18th century especially, the word socialism meant any system of governance that was predicated upon the desire of the common good as the goal of the state.
00:05:28.580So the success of the social polity of the social group and their good, the common good, the good of the commons, would be the governing axis of the state rather than securing individual rights or individual good.
00:05:45.200And so this was later hijacked by Marxism and became associated with Marxism as an economic system.
00:05:50.860Right. So the Marxist socialist economic system is a government where the means of production are monopolized by the state for the workers.
00:06:56.440And you run into this a lot among more blue-pilled, you know, kind of right-wing, especially American normies or people who are historically illiterate.
00:07:32.340Where a lot of this right on the face of it, it's right in the word error comes from is that most people have no idea about the actual history, the actual reality of what national socialism was like in Germany.
00:07:47.900It is extraordinarily simple to refute in a single sentence, and that is that during the war, during the Second World War, national socialist Germany had a higher percentage of its economy devoted to consumer goods than any of the allies it was fighting against.
00:08:11.000And yet we're supposed to believe that national socialism is government controlling everything and means of production centralized and yada, yada, yada.
00:08:22.920Yeah, yeah, planned economy and so on.
00:08:26.760And this is one of the things that is, I think economic literacy is important, and I think economic issues are necessary to talk about and necessary to discuss.
00:08:36.240But as E. Michael Jones mentioned last week, economics is a moral science.
00:08:41.000And so it's always going to be subservient to the particularity of a governing system that's in pursuit of the common good that are dependent upon geographic and temporal factors.
00:08:51.520So an economic system for a national socialist government or any government that seeks to follow natural law ought to be tailored to the people that they're trying to govern over rather than some abstract principles of profit generation.
00:09:05.400Because there are, even to put it in economic terms, there are subjective goods and values that, you know, usurp money, usurp maven and greed.
00:09:17.980But yeah, basically, it's just the, you pointed out very eloquently, Doc, that in the national socialist state in Germany, a very significant component of the industry was going towards manufacturing consumer goods.
00:09:34.460That's because Adolf Hitler, when he was rising to power, took money from the industrialists to support his, to support his campaigning and to support his rise to power.
00:09:46.200Because the industrialists knew that Adolf Hitler would be the one that would restore public order to the state.
00:09:53.880And he knew that probably he would protect them from being expropriated by the communists.
00:10:01.320I mean, not a lot of people know this.
00:10:02.460Even many national socialists don't talk about this a lot.
00:10:04.900But yes, Adolf Hitler was funded in his rise to power by the industrialists in Germany.
00:10:12.940I believe, was it Krupp that was a large contributor?
00:10:15.980I wouldn't speak specifically on names, but I think Krupp was a big contributor.
00:10:20.420You know, and so there are some people, like, that try to take this and say, you know, okay, well, this means that Adolf Hitler was like a shill for, you know, the oligarchs.
00:10:28.320You know, he was a shill for, for Zogg, basically, even though he didn't know it.
00:10:32.780And he was being used as part of a false controlled dialectic, you know, in Europe.
00:10:38.320And I, you know, I don't buy this, frankly.
00:10:41.480I think that, you know, you can, you can know people by the fruits, right?
00:10:46.580And so Adolf Hitler produced a very, very good state.
00:10:48.940But what's more, look at what conflict that he brought about through his political agenda.
00:10:54.260So I'm just, anyway, that's kind of a tangent, but it's important to, to get into these things because I did not know that fact until I looked closely into the issue.
00:11:07.460And we have to be, be out in the open about these, these things.
00:11:10.640Now, so back to what, what do we mean, you know, so we believe in socialism.
00:11:15.220And please, I would invite Doc or Hans to jump in, to speak on, on their own views as to what socialism means.
00:11:21.720But I think I can speak fairly generally.
00:11:23.940So socialism, as we've said, is where the, not just the economy, but all aspects of governance and executive authority are directed towards securing the common good.
00:11:37.900But what the, this sort of governing style is non-unlimited.
00:11:45.360And what that means is that, you know, we don't say, well, who do, what group of people are we going to secure the common good for?
00:11:50.620Well, that's what the nationalist part means.
00:11:52.300Because we say the ethnic group, that we can't, we can't have a government that acts as like a welfare officer, as a protection agency for every human being, you know.
00:12:00.660So it has to be based on something that's, that's real.
00:12:02.580And so what's real is language, what's real is history, is blood, is geography, right?
00:12:10.860These are the things that, that bind people together in reality, right?
00:12:15.880And so this is the natural establishment out of which governance emerges from, law and order emerge from these groups of mutually intelligible interacting folk groups.
00:12:27.800And that's what forms the core of the nation.
00:12:29.880So please, Doc and Hans, if you want to go.
00:12:34.840Well, yeah, so I would say that in this context, what we mean by socialism is simply what before the, say, the 18th century would have been just called good sense, plain, plain political economy.
00:12:53.720Uh, it, it wasn't really until that individualism was accepted as a metaphysical stance that you could speak of, uh, a, a political economy that was divorced from a common good.
00:13:07.300Um, so there's that, uh, specific policies will depend upon specific circumstances.
00:13:15.660Um, but the principle at play is, you know, um, uh, we have to look out for, um, not just, um, the needs of producers, not just for the needs of consumers as classes, but for the needs of the whole people.
00:13:39.700And, and, and not just their wealth or their safety, but their, their health and their spiritual well-being, well-being, this is a, this is a holistic view of the world.
00:13:52.820Right. Exactly. And so this is, um, this was just the, I mean, if you look at, at ancient history, this is the, the basic understanding of any statecraft or governance of any system is that you have, you're responsible for the welfare of your constituency and ensuring the, the good order and conduct of the people under your domain.
00:14:16.820domain. And so, um, that's not what to say. That's not what was fulfilled in many cases in history, but that was the underlying, uh, assumption of most rulers was that this was their job.
00:14:30.200Now, Doc points out that when individualism is introduced as a legitimate ideology and metaphysic and anthropology, um, you know, in the West, there was a shift towards, away from that model as statecraft, where the, especially with the,
00:14:46.820with, um, enlightenment individualism, securing, um, one's own individual rights or the rights of a household, um, became much more important. Um, and that's where we start to see the, the, the sort of splits and Mark, well, with Marxism arising as kind of part of that, you know, individualist, collectivist, dialectic.
00:15:08.120And so this is, I guess, what we've come to refute is that we're not, you know, we're not on this, this dialectic, both the individual and the collective, the group and, uh, the personal are important and necessary for the functioning of any healthy society.
00:15:21.680Um, but the truth of the matter is that, you know, the, the individual does not exist on his own. Every individual has a parent, our parents, you know, if, even if his parents give birth to him and he's left alone, a baby will die.
00:15:34.760And so there's always a context in which people are born and raised and come into the world, a background, geography, history, you know, economics, culture, religion.
00:15:45.780These things color us inevitably. They must. Um, that's the sort of, uh, world that we're living in.
00:15:51.860Um, but at the same time, any, if civilization is built on individuals and the actions of individuals, um, and when, when it's, uh, measured up against a group background, so to speak.
00:16:05.820So this is the thing is, uh, that's what the position of national socialism is, or these kind of third positionism is that we, we don't need one or the other, that they both have a place in terms of the organic whole.
00:16:19.280Um, and we don't have to, uh, select one to the exclusion of the other.
00:16:25.680Yeah, that's, that's an important distinction you're making there.
00:16:31.480You know, when we, when we speak of, of, um, the common good, uh, we're not speaking of a sort of abstract collectivism like you will find in, uh, Marxian socialism.
00:16:55.660Particular languages, religions, faiths, um, communions, uh, kin groups, uh, these are, these are organic wholes, uh, that have, um, that have a reality, uh, that is concrete rather than abstract.
00:17:16.540And, um, and, and, and, and that's an important distinction to make.
00:17:25.800And I mean, it's not difficult to understand.
00:17:27.960I mean, we can think about this on the level of a household.
00:17:30.960Um, you know, in a household, you run it for the good of the entire community.
00:17:36.420You know, if you, if the father tries to run the household just for his own personal individual good, um, obviously, you know, nobody's going to have a good time.
00:17:43.800But if you, if the household is run kind of in a manner where the, you know, the mystical platonic form of the family is what's, you know, being provided for and the actual individual needs of the members, the constituents are left abandoned.
00:17:59.220Then nobody's going to have a good time either.
00:18:01.920Both are going to produce dissatisfaction, harmony, and so on.
00:18:06.040And that's not the goal of good governance.
00:18:07.980The goal of governance itself is to produce order.
00:18:10.420And beyond not just a false order, an order produced by violence, uh, imposition of some sort of, um, artificial regime from above, but an order that's harmonious, where all of the parts of the organism work together for their mutual existence, their flourishing, uh, eudaimonia is the term in Greek.
00:18:29.620So, essentially, the whole ideology is common sense, right?
00:18:51.340And I think you bring up a good point here, Kadeva, is that the, you know, what is common sense, right?
00:18:56.280I mean, the metaphysics of common sense are important, because nobody seems to know what it is anymore, and it's certainly not very common.
00:19:02.480So, if we're talking, when we talk about sensibility, um, or sensibleness, right, this is the ability to make sense out of the universe and out of one's actions.
00:19:12.640And you possess agency in such a way that is efficacious.
00:19:16.520So, somebody who, you know, has good sense knows when to avoid risk or when to take it, right?
00:19:24.200They know when to not, how not to make stupid decisions and how to make good decisions.
00:19:29.460But this sensibility is based on, um, you know, so many metaphysical presuppositions.
00:19:35.280Like the fact that there is truth, that the universe is organized in such a way that man can perceive truth and know truth and remember it and act upon it in a way that's meaningful, right?
00:19:59.220And so, this is the problem that we run into is that without, um, a transcendental, uh, axes, a, a pole, a marker, a, um, an anchor for your, your epistemology, for the, your, your action.
00:20:14.280You know, how do you know what's common sense, right?
00:20:17.100You know, because the liberals, they think, the leftists, they think that their ideas are just common sense.
00:20:21.780Well, it's just common sense that we ought to pay for people's abortions.
00:20:28.240It's common sense that we ought to pay to have children chop off their genitals.
00:20:32.960You know, it's common sense that we ought to let anybody who says they're a refugee into our country, we go, well, they're refugees, right?
00:21:05.640So, if we say that common sense in and of itself is the base of ideology and we make a reference to the ideology of the worldview, right?
00:21:14.000Then, how do we know that something like that won't happen to us as well?
00:21:19.580Of course, how, how can you then truly be a national and a socialist if you are not a Christian then?
00:21:30.140Of course, you must adhere to common sense, right?
00:21:32.020And common sense in and of itself is divine.
00:21:34.100And if you're a Christ, well, how do you have true common sense then?
00:21:36.480Then, you must have a common sense which is psychologically conditioned through intellectual constructs, ideologies, philosophies, all this kind of stuff.
00:21:46.560And I'm not saying it's like super evil.
00:21:48.280What I'm saying is how do you get actual common sense done?
00:21:54.960Ultimately, you're correct in what you say.
00:21:56.940Is that the only way that you can kind of ensure over a long period of time that the operators of a particular group, religious, ethnic, executive, governmental, whatever, you know, remain anchored to the same operating principles, the same ordering ideas, the same sense of common sense is basically through God.
00:22:20.020Through going to church, right, through inculcating themselves totally in the culture, the religion, the moral values, the ineffable, transcendental, mystical relationship which produces these fruits.
00:22:32.240And without that, you cannot hope to replicate them.
00:22:34.860And so, yes, our job is basically to tell people to go to church.
00:22:39.600So the ideology in and of itself focuses on the fruits and religiosity is what's most important because that enables the fruit to be there to begin with.
00:22:57.460I mean, if you would only focus on ideology and you'd be some sort of super anti-Christian pagan that just want to smash all the stupid Christ cucks or you're some Christian identitist, white Talmudist that whines on black people for being black while they're still in Africa.
00:23:14.240I mean, let black people be in Africa, for Christ's sake.
00:23:36.500And what I'm worried is that you focus too much on the ideology in and of itself and you lose all religion.
00:23:44.040And you use the religious, the religion in and of itself to support the intellectual construct of the ideology rather than other way around, right?
00:23:53.080I mean, the religion should give meaning to an intellectual construct, right?
00:24:06.820And I think that myself and you and Doc included, we've been pretty aggressive and direct with condemning that sort of behavior on the show.
00:24:17.960It's better to be a Christian African than an atheist white.
00:24:23.180Ultimately, in terms of the measure of your virtue, you have to ask this question.
00:24:28.680It's like if you're a degenerate white man or there's a virtuous, you know, Negro, right, who has – who's more existentially valuable, right?
00:24:39.580People confuse statements like that for, you know, oh, well, that doesn't mean that our society should be made up of Christian black people.
00:25:05.160If – right, if we then cut off the religion totally and we can't look at the West right now, what would the universal good for the West be right now?
00:25:12.540The universal good for the West right now would be simply to allow themselves to be chastised for everything they've done.
00:26:52.040The good is that we stop doing those just actions because our sinful activity, the pain that's caused by our evil, that's a privation of the good.
00:27:00.440That doesn't have ontological substance.
00:27:58.000And if we basically use political means to forcefully save Sodom while it's not repenting, then essentially what we're doing is that we're placing the, how should I put it, the comfortable, the good in this world, before that which is good in the, how should I put it, absolutely.
00:28:17.680We put that it was universally good, before that which is absolutely good.
00:28:22.400That is, by accepting the punishment, if we do not repent, and not trying to politically resist it, other than trying to convert people, we are, in fact, against God in itself, and therefore we are not preserving the common good.
00:29:57.720And so if we have evil societies, right, if we have societies where evil men run rampant, right, and make up the vast bulk of our society, then, you know, we need to call them to repentance.
00:30:08.660But, you know, if there is to be any sort of limited justice, we need to, as much as we can, try to use legitimate power to stop them from doing evil things through fear.
00:30:26.240So, yeah, I have no problem with a hypothetical, you know, national socialist American regime bringing back Sunday laws.
00:30:36.320You will be in church or you will face some sort of fine or a day in the stocks or whatever.
00:30:43.280Like, you know, sometimes, you know, sometimes the state in its role as father of the people has to lay down the law, has to put his foot down and has to, you know, has to spank the naughty children sometimes.
00:31:24.660And so, you know, I think that it's kind of demonstrably a fact, okay, that markets are the way in which people organize themselves economically when other systems are not forced on top of them by coercive violence.
00:31:41.720It's that we engage in barter, in exchange, in a market economy, and that the market, typically speaking, the less interference you have in the market, typically speaking, the more productive it is in terms of wealth, in terms of capital.
00:31:59.300I don't know if anybody on this podcast would dispute that.
00:32:01.500One possible point of contention is that there's some pretty interesting new research that is suggesting that rather than a barter system forming the foundation upon which other more complex economic systems developed,
00:32:25.600that the sort of the Neolithic economy worked on the basis of gift-giving and sort of honor and face, as it were, and that's how exchange was done.
00:32:44.720Now, I don't have a firm opinion on that, but I think it's an interesting alternative to the usual story of, well, first we bartered and then we developed coinage and so on and so forth.
00:33:51.180This is what Christ talks about in his parables when he says, you know, build up treasure that, you know, cannot be eaten by moths or cannot be destroyed by corruption.
00:34:00.940And so the – I think the contention of any broadly national socialist regime – and so, you know, when we say national socialist, this is just – these are descriptive terms, right?
00:34:12.280These are descriptive terms for regimes which act ethnically in terms of their group organization and towards the common good in terms of the execution of the governance.
00:34:22.060So many, many regimes can be said to follow these patterns.
00:34:25.800You know, and I don't – we're not kind of – we're not kind of autistic about, you know, the 1933, you know, German platform continental national socialism.
00:35:18.080We regulate our markets according to our morality.
00:35:20.180You know, if the market says that, you know, a father of seven who's like a good laborer, right, and actually, you know, produces wealth, right, turns profit.
00:35:37.020But the market says that he should, you know, be paid less money so that the owner of the capital can gain more profit, right?
00:35:43.660Well, that's not just in many instances.
00:35:45.560And so I think that the point is that we want to ensure that all levels of society, all parts of society, parts of the body get a fair shake, you know, that labor is rewarded justly for labor, that legitimate capital owners are allowed to make money, you know, off of the capital that they own, right?
00:36:07.840I think most of us here believe in private property, you know, so we're not absolute socialists in that sense.
00:36:15.560Yeah, so this is a very important conversation.
00:36:20.380Unfortunately, because of its nature, it has a tendency to go down to the weeds.
00:36:24.820But from my point of view, what we mean when we say free markets and what we mean when we say free exchange and even, dare I say it, capitalism, what we're talking about is a world of small producers.
00:37:03.500The titans of industry, the titans of industry, the titanic mechanized, the titanic machines that have been created in the industrial age, that sustain our economy.
00:37:19.140And so while I wouldn't say that it's impossible to do sort of cooperative risk pool sharing in a just way, but the way that we in the present day in America and Western Europe and most of the world do it is horribly unjust.
00:37:43.080And simply operates as a mechanism to extract rents out of transactions.
00:38:41.060It allows us to do lots of perfectly legitimate and virtuous and productive things.
00:38:47.100But if those good things come at the expense of group justice, if one person's wealth means that, you know, other members of the community are unjustly exploited in order to attain it through rents, which is to say monies extracted not in exchange for services or capital, right?
00:39:09.620If it's a form of usury, of unjust economic extraction, then, of course, we can't allow that.
00:39:18.180And this is what we need to establish.
00:39:19.980And so in North America, it's different in Europe than it is in North America.
00:39:24.000And so Doc and I speak about this from a very particular kind of high church, you know, North American, Anglo perspective is that, you know, we have a predominance of the market economy.
00:39:35.060We have a culture that is market-oriented.
00:39:38.360And there's no need to try and absolutely reverse these tendencies.
00:39:44.000These can be good and healthy if they're properly controlled.
00:39:49.980Yeah, yeah, I would say that I tend to agree with the distributists that the problem with capitalists or capitalism is that there are too few capitalists.
00:40:03.100And so the solution is to distribute productive capital more widely amongst the population.
00:40:09.840And what that means in not highfalutin terms is that generally speaking, people should own tools or land or both such that they can make a product and sell a product and enjoy the fruits thereof.
00:40:28.280Right, and I think that this is actually a core innovation and particular good tradition of, you know, English liberty and English common law is this idea of the dispersion of economic and political capital.
00:40:44.880So I totally support distributivism and I think that that's something that's very, very legitimate where we try to ensure that the means of production are owned by as wide a degree of the population as is reasonable.
00:40:58.960So that no one element of society can accumulate too much power and influence through the ownership of the means of production.
00:41:07.780So the Jews, if you want to use that example, can't buy up all of the means of production and, you know, control the economy.
00:41:14.940And I think that we should advocate this, not just here, but in all levels of political life, we should say, okay, well, who's the society, who's the political, socioeconomic political unit centered around the family, right?
00:41:28.260Who's the head of the family, free white men, right?
00:41:32.820So the society, the economy, the political system is organized around this model of the free white men who are the heads of households.
00:41:40.320And I think that that's, that is the traditional, you know, all this time itself way that Western Germanic people organized.
00:41:48.620And so I think that the, you know, the right to bear arms is critical and that we should all, you know, own weapons, know how to use them.
00:41:57.640And I think that the maintenance of that tradition is essential for any, you want to talk about national, socialist, state or otherwise.
00:42:03.440And I think that this is a legitimate part of the received tradition that we should continue to foster and hold on to and celebrate and cherish because it gives us real power.
00:42:12.740And it's the same thing when we're talking about First Amendment free speech or economic distributivism or anything where with free speech, you know, political opinion is not controlled by a smart, small cartel of capital owners, people who own websites and news corporations and so on.
00:42:33.440But rather through the Internet, we like what we're doing right now, we can have our own little slice of the pine.
00:42:40.520We can influence our own little segment of public opinion of, you know, what, two, three thousand people every week who listen to our broadcast.
00:42:47.240Yeah, it's it's it's it's very interesting to view the trajectory of particularly American political economy alongside the trajectory of ownership of the means of information distribution, ownership of printing presses.
00:43:07.080And I think you'll see that as as as ownership of printing presses becomes more and more centralized, concentrated, ultimately, I think it's six big, big media companies now that the outlook of of of of the political economy becomes more and more Washington centric, central, centralized, as it were.
00:43:33.240Right. I don't think that's a coincidence. Exactly. Exactly. And so this is a the reason why I bring this up is because I think that this the question of collectivism, it gets at the larger issue.
00:43:45.960You know, how do you resolve the dialectic of individualism versus socialism or collectivism?
00:43:50.240And in the American context, we've been inculcated into this kind of enlightenment individualist worldview for most most of the right wing.
00:43:58.420And that's like it or not, that's been the tradition for the last 300 years.
00:44:01.900You know, when you want to talk about the Smithsonian Republic.
00:44:04.060And so this is what we have to build upon.
00:44:05.760And so I think that it's important to embrace and seize upon the good elements of our political tradition that are good, righteous and legitimate and in accord with natural and divine law, particular to us as Western Germanics, as Western inheritors of that kind of high church, Anglo-Saxon, you know, common law, Roman law tradition.
00:44:27.980That's who we are. That's who we inherit, what we inherit rather.
00:44:32.540And so what I wanted to say is that these the I think that in and of themselves, these ideas of collective property ownership around the ethnic group and the family.
00:44:44.480Right. And collective bearing of duties, whether it's military, political, social, even religious, even.
00:44:52.860Right. And, you know, in the terms of a parish system, you know, you have a parish council and, you know, you have rotating sets of duties to maintain the religious institution, the temples.
00:45:01.600Right. This is how this these are perfectly right and good.
00:45:04.400And what these demonstrate is the the mean, the harmonious intersection between the fulfilling of the individual need or the focus on the human person and then their context within the larger group, which is what gives them meaning.
00:45:23.720And that this is not this is a reflection of the Holy Trinity.
00:45:31.020Fundamentally, that God is not just one person.
00:45:33.760He's three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, one in essence, sharing one life, one energy, one divine will without loss or effacement of the individual persons that make up the Godhead.
00:46:14.560I mean, we just we just literally need common sense.
00:46:17.220We can find common sense in the church.
00:46:18.620We don't literally need to elaborate these fancy theories on the political in order to somehow, I don't know, try to intellectualize the perfect.
00:46:26.500So, how it all should probably try to be aimed at, because we'll see that with common sense, right?
00:46:31.420I mean, common sense literally makes you able to see how the order should be independently if you intellectually got a blueprint of it or not.
00:46:40.860I mean, you can just intuitively know it through inspiration of the church, right?
00:46:45.640Well, it's like, okay, well, this is like, this is not, that's not a Christian way of looking at this thing, Hans.
00:46:52.660The Christian way of looking at this thing is to understand that man has a mind, a rational mind.
00:46:58.980And that Christ, well, my point is that when Christ was incarnated as a man, he also was incarnated with a rational human mind.
00:47:06.080And that when he was resurrected from the dead, the divine energies divinize this human mind.
00:47:10.980And so, I'm not saying we should be fucking retards or anything like that.
00:47:14.400Well, no, but my point is, you know, like, the Mysterium Fascist is a show just to discuss the intersection of theology and politics and try to relate these kind of high ideas back to practical action in real life.
00:47:56.040I mean, I've been wrong about this stuff before.
00:47:58.900So, I'm a bit toying with the idea, really.
00:48:00.680But I'm thinking that maybe collectivism in and of itself is actually, how should I put it, a sort of attempt to escape the church instead of embracing the church.
00:48:13.380We try to come up with our own little idea, how everything should be perfect, that, that, that, that, that, that, that.
00:48:20.980And in the fact that you have this, how should I put it, just dry construct, you start feeling that you lose the need for the church.
00:48:35.160And we can see, we can really see this, I mean, this is another point Spanglin kind of makes as well, right?
00:48:41.740I mean, first you have it grow actually organically then, right?
00:48:45.280Then you just have the shell right, the dry shell right, the institutional version of it.
00:48:52.520And we're at the point right now where we can't really, you know, we just have institution and we don't really have any meaning in the institution of itself.
00:49:02.500So, we start to sort of, how should I put it, make an idol of institution rather than trying to direct institution or just destroy the institution.
00:49:31.760So, I guess that's the end of Hans' commentary for today.
00:49:36.080Maybe he'll come back on later to discuss Kelly Eugen News with us, but it seems that Hans is not feeling up to political, theological discussion right now.
00:49:47.100He will, however, continue in his absence.
00:49:49.940I mean, I do think that our esteemed colleague has a point that the general thrust of Western civilization since the, I don't know, the Renaissance about that time has been to try to have their cake and eat it too.
00:50:08.940They want to have all of the good fruits of Christendom, all of the prosperity and the communal activities and all of the fruits of the civilization, but just without the church.
00:50:37.060You know, I don't think you can find anyone who is more harshly critical and adamant about the need to reject modernity and the Enlightenment than we here.
00:50:52.640And I think that, unfortunately, you know, the David Hans has good points, but he doesn't, I don't think he always appreciates what we're talking about in context, right?
00:51:01.220And what we mean, what we're suggesting when we speak about collectivism and we speak about the social group is not to say, like, not to use the social group in some sort of, you know, 18th century Enlightenment sense as a replacement for the church.
00:51:32.020But what we're saying is that, you know, our identities are holistic and that being part of ethnic groups upon which the church is built, we can see this in, like, you know, in Orthodoxy where there's a Russian church.
00:51:46.180And, um, Georgian church and Serbian church and so on that are part of the one holy apostolic and Catholic church, but at the same time are particular ethnarchies to their local, um, ethnic groups.
00:52:00.380And so it's, um, and then, you know, these ethnic groups have their own sovereign kingdoms and so on, their own governing structures that are perfectly legitimate.
00:52:11.240And so, you know, it's not just this, okay, well, we reject talking about the political theory that supports this St. Justinian, Emperor St. Justinian, the great, you know, wrote, uh, was a saint of the Orthodox church and wrote, you know, legal codes and wasn't an emperor and so on.
00:52:27.320So every part of human society that's proper to man is also proper to God.
00:52:32.220And so these are part of our worldview as Christians.
00:52:39.980Um, there's actually, uh, I just saw something recently, um, that, uh, was shocking and new to me.
00:52:48.180Um, uh, have you seen, um, uh, Charles Coulomb's newest, um, newest production?
00:52:54.180Uh, no, unfortunately I haven't been keeping up with, uh, Charles Coulomb.
00:52:57.020Um, you guys should go, I'll check him out, great intellectual.
00:52:59.120Well, um, so he had something very interesting to say about, um, uh, the Holy Roman Empire.
00:53:07.180Uh, and, and that was that, um, uh, there was an emperor, uh, a sancted emperor after Constantine, uh, and, and, and the details escaping me right at the moment.
00:53:18.960But, um, this, this, this emperor made an edict that, um, made Roman citizenship conditional upon baptism.
00:53:30.740So from a, uh, legitimist point of view, you can certainly say that, uh, everyone who is, who is baptized into the mystical body of Christ is also baptized into the Holy Empire.
00:54:02.900Um, because it, it basically makes the demand of religion, which answers the most important questions in your life, the highest, determines how the highest echelons of reality work.
00:54:14.840And the predicate for every single one of your decision-making, uh, processes and every single item of your worldview is based on these religious truths.
00:54:22.460It asks you to divorce that from your actual action, which is absurd.
00:54:35.420This is kind of to get back to this, this individual versus social dialectic is, well, the individual gains meaning through particularity.
00:54:45.600It's because he is a man in a specific ethnic group, in a specific country, at a time, in a place, believing a certain set of things with a certain community.
00:55:20.300Uh, the, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the annoying thing about discussing any of these matters with the, um, with the committed libertarian, or as I like to call them, the methodological nominalist, uh, is that he, you know, his, the implication of his worldview is that people sort of spring fully grown from the foreheads of their parents.
00:55:48.680And, and, you know, like, if that's, if, if that's your fundamental premise about the universe, then why should I listen to anything you have to say?
00:56:01.200Well, it's a, it's a religious claim, essentially, right?
00:56:04.300Individualism makes a religious claim, um, because that's the thing, is to be an individualist,
00:56:08.560to say that the individual ought to be the center of social thought, of, of governance, and, and so on, um, makes a radical claim about human anthropology.
00:56:18.860It states that human existence and the way in which our nature is made up exists fundamentally as an individual.
00:56:27.260But this is untrue, it's illogical, at a, the basic level of reality, is that there's, for an ideal, there's always an instantiation of that ideal in reality, right, uh, that we observe, that we understand this ideal from.
00:56:43.540Now, and this is the premise, a huge central premise of Christian epistemology, is that the ideal always instantiates itself in the real, not totally, of course, um, but as an icon, in a way that it's just, that it points to the greater spiritual reality behind it.
00:57:00.820And this is what we believe is ultimately manifested in Christ, is that the cosmic order, which is larger than the heavens, more spacious than the heavens, was incarnate in the person of Christ in the womb of the Virgin Mary by the power of the Holy Spirit.
00:57:12.840And Christ was an icon of God the Father, and Christ was an icon of God the Father, an icon of the Godhead.
00:57:18.760And so with the human person, it's the same thing.
00:57:23.540Well, absolutely. Um, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a Heinlein novel that, uh, that talks about, um, uh, a, a sort of, uh, four-dimensional view of, uh, of humanity.
00:57:44.040Um, geez. Uh, now you're gonna ask me that question. Um, uh, it, I'll, I'll have to look it up and get back to you.
00:57:52.560Okay. Okay. Um, but, uh, so the, the, the, the conceit of the, of, of the novel or novella, I think it's a short novel, um, is that, is that there's this doctor who can, um, through, through an apparatus,
00:58:07.760a physical apparatus, tell you when you're going to die, right? And, and so, uh, the deeper conceit there is that what he's doing is he's, um, he's, he's sending an electrical charge
00:58:23.900through your body through time. And so he can measure the, the entire length of your, um, contiguous lifeline, uh, in four dimensions, right?
00:58:39.060So if you, if you, if you could picture your body along a four dimensional spectrum, then there is no separation between your body in the womb and your body in the, in the grave.
00:58:53.860It's all one continuous sequence through time, right? But if you, if you don't know, now accept that premise, right? That, that each, each moment in time has its own existence and is real, just as real as the moment before it, the moment after it.
00:59:12.640And, and, and, and, and in a way continues to exist, but it, this sounds starts to sound something like what, you know, the, the view from eternity must be like, but if we, if we, if we just step back or, or, or zoom the camera back, you'll see that each individual, um, pink worm, as it were, uh, that, that constitutes an individual body
00:59:40.640is part of a, a, a, a, a, what could only be described as a, as a four dimensional tree because each individual person is, is branching off from the lifeline of another person.
00:59:57.020Well, this is, this starts to talk about interesting points with metaphysics, right? And so we want to, we want to talk about the eternal realm. I mean, since Godiva's gone, we might as well just do esoteric shitposting. Um, there's no sense, uh, just holding it back at all.
01:00:08.080If we want to talk about, um, in the spiritual realm, in the eternal realm, there is no time, right? There's no time and there's no space.
01:00:18.080Um, and so the personalities or the, the will or the spirits of the, um, persons, the intelligences that inhabit this realm, whether they're human or angelic or whatever, they unfold, um, in a sense, instantaneously and eternally.
01:00:38.140They don't unfold according to, um, linear time as we come to understand it, where you have one moment where you feel a certain way and your will is directed one way and you go on to the next and you can change and so on.
01:00:50.420And it unfolds over a set of period of time. So in that sense, it, it unfolds all at once.
01:00:54.620And so this, um, this means that the will can't fluctuate back and forth, um, you know, chronologically, it can't choose the numinous self can't choose for one thing or another, um, again and again, as it can in the physical world.
01:01:14.080And this is where we start to, this is the, the, the theology that predicates the idea that after, you know, your death, you can't repent anymore when your soul separates from your body because you move into eternity.
01:01:25.040And so you, whatever your soul, whatever like echelon of reality, your soul wasn't happening beforehand, right? Like if you were living your life like hell, you know, you die. Your soul just goes to where it already was in life.
01:01:45.220Yeah. Yeah. Uh, uh, I just wanted to mention, I was able to find the name of the story. It's called Lifeline.
01:01:51.080Oh, okay. Uh, and it's actually one of his very first works. It was published in, uh, 1939. Astounding.
01:01:58.940Interesting. Yeah. I've never heard of that work before.
01:02:03.180Yeah. So we've come to the end of our first hour, so we've still got more selected topics to discuss when we come back.
01:02:07.880Um, you know, unless you had anything you wanted to say, you know, we're going to hit Caliuga news.
01:02:12.480Grieva might come back. He might not. Um, but I think, you know, we're, I'm still up to finish the episode.
01:02:16.600There's no reason why we can't have a good discussion. Um,
01:02:22.240I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm perfectly down to, uh, to finish up here. Uh, I do want to say, um, you know, uh, Grieva, we, we, we, we understand where you're coming from and, um, you know, we love you, man.
01:06:26.980So we were talking about, before the break, we were talking about the theological, how theology can inform some of our answers to these questions about the individual and the group, the one and the many.
01:06:39.960And this is at the core of the Christian mystery, actually, because Christians worship the triune God.
01:06:44.880They worship the one God who is also three, three persons.
01:06:48.780And it's particular to Orthodox theology that we focus on the threeness of the persons and then go to the oneness, their unifying principle.
01:06:59.240Whereas in the West, they tended to focus on the oneness of God and then try to consolidate that into the threeness.
01:07:05.380And so I bring this up because if we accept that the Trinity is, you know, really God, the Trinity is God's nature, that God is our creator.
01:07:17.520And naturally, the entirety of the universe is going to bear some resemblance or some relationship to him.
01:07:22.040So if God is a community, if the Godhead is three persons in a single life together with one will that's totally undependent on anything else for its own, you know, existence and flourishing and perfection and so on.
01:07:36.580Now, you know, then that means that our own human, our human experience, our human lives are necessarily going to be collective, that we're going to have to work with different human persons and that even for a new human person to come about, you know, we see a reflection of the Trinity.
01:07:53.020We see the man and the woman and they come together in the holy mystery of matrimony, of marital union, they have sex, and we see the production of new life, right?
01:08:07.120This is a mystery, as we've talked about before on this podcast.
01:08:10.920This is a – there's a reason why almost all religions of the world have attributed to this action, you know, such vital power because it was obvious.
01:08:19.720And so we can't begin to – to understand, you know, these questions outside of this larger worldview, you're going to – you're going to run into problems is basically what we're trying to establish here.
01:08:32.800And so, Doc, please, if you have something you want to add, I guess what I just wanted to demonstrate was that, you know, because we're created in the image and likeness of God, right, the human being is founded on the pattern of Christ.
01:08:46.620Christ is our creator. He is the fashioner and the order of the universe.
01:08:51.460So we're created in his image, and Christ is the image of the invisible Trinity.
01:08:56.100And so in our own nature, how we organize our societies, our homes, our communities, and so on, these inter – these structures of survival, these interrelating networks of peoples surrounded on different ideas and blood ties, this is just how we are.
01:09:12.940These human beings are inherently like this, and so we cannot begin to conceptualize human beings and their core state as individuals.
01:09:35.740First of all, there is no precedent for an individualist view of anthropology or politics until you have the radical enlightenment, philosophers.
01:09:55.380No – nowhere else would you see any answer other than the family is the fundamental unit of political life anywhere in the world.
01:11:32.600A lot of his stuff is just explicitly lies in baloney.
01:11:36.580But he, in terms of his numerological procession, you know, he even acknowledges that this is correct, that the numerological concept of threeness is necessary to give any definition to an entity.
01:11:49.980Because you need – you know, you need to have a point, and then you need to have a point of reference that the first is in relationship to, and then you need to have a witness to those two orienting points.
01:12:04.980And if we look at this on a two-dimensional plane, we can see that this is the first shape that is – this is the only way that you can produce a basic shape because of the necessity for this orientation.
01:12:15.180So it's – as you say, we bring these mathematical or geometric examples up to demonstrate that in the laws of the universe, the structure of the universe, threeness is essential for oneness, for the fullness of unity and diversity.
01:12:49.060All for one and one for all, as we say.
01:12:56.080Another interesting, I find, recapitulation of this principle of threeness is in the sort of proto-Indo-European social organization of three castes.
01:13:12.880Which is to say, in general, those who fight, those who pray, and those who farm, those who work.
01:13:58.400And so this is the, yeah, essentially, essentially.
01:14:03.200And this is why, you know, to kind of bring up what we were speaking about before the break, this is why we have to discuss these high ideas.
01:14:12.220Because, you know, common sense, and you can sort of say this over and over and over again, just go to church, common sense, and so on.
01:14:18.420But people need to understand with their minds, you know, these big ideas, because it informs the way that they live their lives.
01:14:28.060If you don't have this background, if you don't realize that, okay, this is the universe has this God who's a creator who exists in a certain way, exists in a community and as individual persons.
01:14:39.820Then the rest of your thinking scheme is going to necessarily reflect the lack of this position.
01:14:47.440And so people don't explicitly say this anymore.
01:15:13.800It should be that all you have to do in order to live a good life is you go to church and you've got a parish community of your ethnic in-group.
01:15:40.040And so in order to be educated on this topic, and I assume most of our listeners do desire to be educated, want a fuller worldview, we have to discuss these topics.
01:15:49.520And we can't jerk away from this because we don't want to sound like pretentious intellectualists.
01:15:56.900Well, and we have to engage with this intellectual vocabulary because we have to reclaim that vocabulary from the modernists who are, forgive my vulgarity, but shitting all over the dictionary.
01:16:15.700And that's important because unless we restore meaning to our language, reground it in an organic sense of the world, then we'll be lost.
01:16:33.640We'll be unable to communicate with each other.
01:16:35.260I mean, that's one of the – to me, that's one of the fundamental lessons about the warnings contained in 1984 and other such novels.
01:16:43.800No, this is precisely – Dr. Johnson talks about this, but this is exact.
01:16:48.940So when we're talking about an ethnic group, the uniting element of an ethnic group is language, actually.
01:16:55.960But all of these are predicated upon language because if you don't – you can't understand each other, then you can't be inside the same in-group.
01:17:23.200They don't have – language is something we use to symbolically express the spiritual reality of these ideas as they exist in our minds through the mechanism of our will in our body.
01:17:36.660And so people who can control this structure can define the terms by which we express our ideas.
01:17:46.700And so some languages don't have the necessary structure to express certain ideas.
01:17:53.240So Dr. E. Michael Jones was talking about this the other week when we're in relationship to Islam, that because the Koran was written in Arabic, it didn't have the same vocabulary as Greek to express certain of the high theological ideas and philosophical ideas.
01:18:08.320And that influenced the way the religion developed.
01:18:10.240So with what we're trying to do is we're trying to give the tradition, the language, and the background necessary to do battle and to live the lives that we want to live.
01:18:22.560That's what Mysterium Fashies is about.
01:18:24.240And specifically, you know, if we don't have a language with which to communicate with each other and to develop a community in a real sense,
01:18:45.320then we lack a critical faculty, a critical precondition necessary to achieve the meaning with which we need.
01:18:56.700We have a fundamental human need to have a meaning in our lives.
01:19:02.520And, you know, I guess what I'm trying to say is that man doesn't live by bread alone, right?
01:19:12.680And we need a spiritual sustenance and we need a mental sustenance, right?
01:19:21.460And we receive our spiritual sustenance through the church, through the mystery, the Christian mysteries, right?
01:19:34.300The body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ sustains us spiritually.
01:19:39.920It is true food and true drink indeed.
01:19:41.540But our mental food has always been, since time immemorial, stories, the great myths through which we perceive reality as meaningful and significant in an everyday way.
01:20:02.300And without a common language, we won't have a common understanding of these stories, of these myths.
01:20:09.460And at the same time, of course, the myths themselves are being co-opted by Hollywood and turned into plasticized Disney versions of themselves.
01:20:21.820You're getting at the heart of things here.
01:20:23.540And the reason why the collective must, demands that it be the center of social organization is because in a democracy where the individual or factions of individuals are allowed to predominate,
01:20:35.680what we see is a fracturing in society, is that society dissolves, that the individual parts become so dissonant from one another in their competition to assert superiority,
01:20:48.740that the underlying unity of the entity is lost.
01:20:52.440And so this is the example I use, and I'm not the first person to make this critique, but in Canada, in Parliament right now,
01:20:58.380just in Parliament, not in terms of what people think, there are members of Parliament who believe that abortion should be a publicly funded human right
01:21:08.260and that the fact that the government does not pay for women to have abortions, whatever they like, is an injustice, is an infringement upon their human rights.
01:21:17.860And there are also people in government that believe abortion is murder and people should be punished like murderers who do it.
01:21:28.380So what happens, when these two people, how are these two people supposed to live with one another?
01:21:34.620When one person openly advocates what the other believes is straight murder?
01:21:40.100It's impossible. It's ridiculous. You can't do that.
01:21:43.180Nobody, you know, you can't, the moral premises, the worldviews are totally opposite.
01:21:49.980One, you know, it's, you know, by rights, the man who believes this, if he really is serious about his ideology, right,
01:21:57.480he should imprison or execute, under color of law, the person who promotes the murder in his eyes.
01:22:06.700Absolutely. I mean, it's, and I mean, I seriously believe that the fact that we do nothing to stop this is we're going to have to answer for in the hereafter.
01:22:21.060And, you know, these are, these are, of course, complicated questions, and I don't mean to, I'm not suggesting that anyone in particular do anything in particular.
01:22:33.840But I'm just saying that, you know, if you really do believe that this is murder and you are allowing it to happen, what is the difference between you and the murderer?
01:22:42.480Right. And that's the thing, and this is what I think so many Christians have lost a sense of, is the social, the duty and obligation that comes along with being a Christian.
01:22:55.800And so, like, if God, like, has laws and God wants us to enforce his laws, right, that, yes, the law is written in our heart and it's the Holy Spirit who tells us what ultimately is the end all and be all of it.
01:23:08.740But the laws of God ought to be enforced morally.
01:23:11.700So if God creates government and power and the state in order to fulfill his law and order the community and work towards the common good to use fear to coerce the evil from doing evil deeds, right, then the fact that we're not doing this is an injustice and we're going to have to deal with God, you know, because of this.
01:23:34.960God is totally all-knowing and, you know, he's merciful.
01:23:37.620So he knows the condition of life that we were born into.
01:23:40.240So none of us got to choose what time period to live in and so on.
01:23:45.560And none of us chose here to have this society of death, you know, might have contributed to it in the past, but we're trying actively to move away from it.
01:23:58.920Our choosing for it happens with our sins, right?
01:24:01.820And that's ultimately what the question is about.
01:24:03.740It's about, you know, answering to God for our own sinfulness.
01:24:05.700But that's a completely different track.
01:24:07.500And so we get back to it is that without the social polity, without the government that's focused on that core cohesion, ultimately, especially in a continent like North America where you have such large geographical distances, people separate.
01:24:23.200There's nothing holding them together.
01:24:24.340And ultimately, like, I think that the glue of any society is going to be the religion, frankly.
01:24:36.020I think that, you know, ethnicity and tribe are very important.
01:24:38.920But I think that we find historically that, you know, faith, family, folk is that that's an accurate representation of the hierarchy.
01:24:45.320That people will care more about their religion if they're really, really serious, even in their own family.
01:24:51.440This is what Christians are called to do.
01:24:54.060People will care more about their own family and their own religion than they will about their ethnic group as a whole.
01:25:02.900Look at Germany in the Middle Ages for excellent and the Renaissance for excellent examples of this.
01:25:07.020Yeah, yeah, and, you know, I think that Americans have a hard time, particularly with the, with their deformed understanding of family.
01:25:25.240You know, family doesn't mean mommy, daddy, 2.5 kids, two cats, a dog, two cars and a pool in the backyard.
01:25:37.020That's not what, what anyone here is speaking about.
01:25:41.180You know, family is a, a, a broad category where, you know, it's, it's, it's not just the core paterfamilias and, and the materfamilias, but it is all, all who are under that roof of the, of the paterfamilias.
01:26:05.460And, and, and, and this includes, um, hired hands and servants.
01:26:10.740It includes, um, you know, just, you know, any, any, any sort of distant relation who happens to be, uh, under that roof.
01:26:19.400You know, the ideal, of course, is that, is that you will, you then have families of families where you have, you have multiple, um, multiples of these, uh, extended families who are, um, either related by blood or by marriage.
01:26:36.600Um, and, and so in, in, in English, we would call that kith and kin.
01:26:44.240And this brings us back to the, kind of our last point in the subject, which is, which is critical, is that without this, um, relational glue, without, um, the organic, you know, life, um, as the basis for social affairs and governance and so on.
01:27:00.000Um, and the recognition of the social role of that, then governance is, like, just violent, uh, repression.
01:27:07.220Violence becomes the only, uh, violence and money become the only factors that hold together the, the state, the civil society.
01:27:30.940And this is why, you know, we need states is to protect us from bandits, uh, immoral men who use violence to achieve what they want by extortion and usurers.
01:27:41.700The, you know, that this is the purpose of governance.
01:27:44.480And so, without, uh, these functions being performed by the state, we see that our society has degenerated and has, uh, come under their yoke.
01:27:56.580But, um, this is what it comes back to.
01:28:01.280And this is, uh, why there is just no way, I mean, individualism is, is, I think, can, can be thoroughly kind of written off the table.
01:28:08.400Now, that's not to kind of engage in this, you know, mythological, um, muddle-headed mysticism, as Rufus would call, um, Sonia's Rufus would call the, the kind of collectivism.
01:28:19.100We're not talking about, like, an abstract collective, right?
01:28:23.700Uh, we're talking about your family, your friends, uh, the people you go to church with, you know, you, you, people in your labor relations.
01:28:30.800And it's difficult because a lot of these natural avenues of social interaction have been totally degenerated, right, by the modern world on purpose.
01:28:40.700And so, if we don't have these or we don't have them to the extent that we want, you know, we have to go out and try to build these things, uh, to, to, to revitalize them, to resurrect them.
01:28:51.060You know, the situation is going to be different for all of us, but these are necessary for personal sanity at the bare minimum, as well as, you know, happiness.
01:28:58.400Um, the, the, they're essential for political expediency as well, but that's, you know, there are other more basic, uh, imperatives towards this kind of behavior.
01:30:07.180But, and I think, and I, what we, what I think we're on the Mysterium and for, for other NS people, national, socialists, whatever, it was, yes, of course.
01:30:16.480Yes, we want to dismantle the current American state apparatus, no question.
01:30:20.360You know, and the, the, what their concern is that, you know, well, do we go with a big state solution?
01:30:25.760So here's what I think, frankly, in the United States and in Canada, big state solution, that's not the, what's not, not what's going to happen.
01:30:32.480Like, we're not going to take over the American big state infrastructure and, you know, redirect this weapon of mass destruction for good.
01:30:43.460There's, there's many fundamental problems with that.
01:30:46.020The, the, the first one being that, well, I mean, this, this giant bloated Jupiter-sized state apparatus is composed of people who hate us, right?
01:31:00.120So at a very fundamental level, you know, who is the state, but the people who compose it, they are not our friends, right?
01:31:06.060So if, if slash our guys were to get in, do you really think that the state, qua the state, is just going to be like, okay, you're in charge now?
01:31:18.760And, and, and, and also, of course, the, the, the deeper underlying ideological issue is that this, this enlightenment state apparatus is, is based upon enlightenment ideas.
01:31:35.020And so the, the, the, it's very nature as opposed to anything we want to do.
01:31:54.860What we need is a dissolution of the current federal governments of the Canada and the United States just to begin to make any progress whatsoever realistically in the future.
01:32:02.940And so what we want is we want a devolution back to local and regional powers.
01:32:08.660And I think that that's what, I know that's what the TWP supports in terms of local solutions.
01:32:13.500And I think that any serious American nationalist or national socialist, fascist, particular nationalists and so on can get behind this and support a devolution of sovereignty and authority back to local powers that we control on the local level.
01:32:29.520And so the, the, what we want is exercise of power meaningfully in our local communities because in the United States, state governance is like a country in Europe.
01:33:19.480Our, our ancestors will not walk the face of this continent if we don't return to the ways that they once possessed that enabled them to conquer it.
01:33:26.980And that made it great, you know, and for them, the foundation of those mindsets is it was patriarchal.
01:33:32.900It was about family, your kin group, right?
01:34:00.320We have to understand that even at the founding of the American Republic, there were issues in Western society thought currents that were dangerous.
01:34:09.260And we look at the, the American founding fathers, many of them were not religious.
01:34:16.080You know, and they, they had a distinctly enlightenment view of how the state should be run.
01:34:21.100And so what we need to understand is that we need to, we're going to, there was also good stuff that they possessed certainly and that has endured.
01:34:27.800We need to incorporate that along with a way of living that is in fact even older, even older than the American founders.
01:34:36.940Going back to a more medievalist or pre-medievalist way of social organization, because the model we have for our current scenario is the collapse of Rome.
01:34:47.260So we're looking at post-Roman models with kind of future technology.
01:34:51.280That's, that's the reality that we're living in.
01:34:53.900And so that's what we mean, you know, that's why I support kind of this American futurism is because I think that we need to work on actively reinvigorating these eternal principles into our current.
01:35:06.940Living situations in keeping the particular local traditions that form our identity and that are good and that are synonymous and harmonious with the logos of God.
01:35:17.380And in humility, there's, on a practical level, you know, it's, it is a just criticism to say it's LARPy to, to imagine what it's going to be like after, after the balkanization happens.
01:35:43.920You know, there, there's a, there's a sort of, there's a, there's a point past which it is impossible to make predictions because the situation becomes so fluid and chaotic.
01:35:58.760But on the other hand, we can say, well, we may not be able to say exactly what the particular situation will be like in, in particular, but generally speaking, things will be more fluid, more chaotic.
01:36:10.800And that will create an opportunity for people who are prepared for the day to step forward and be the seed crystal around which a new polity emerges.
01:36:33.140Um, and it, the, the future belongs to those who show up.
01:36:37.980So when we talk about American nationalism and, and, and the future of the white race, you know, we'll win if we do what's necessary to win.
01:37:13.700Um, and, and South Africa, we stay behind them 100%.
01:37:16.400The, the, but if we look at South Africa, we can see the consequences politically of not acting.
01:37:23.860You know, Eugene Ter Blanche drew an armored car into the building where de Klerk and the ANC were negotiating the transfer of power.
01:37:36.340Um, because they wanted to try and prevent, you know, what they knew would occur when apartheid ended.
01:37:41.400And de Klerk, like, you know, they called in attack helicopters on Eugene Ter Blanche and his men.
01:37:49.180And so they basically said to de Klerk, they said, okay, well, you know, your choice is you can let us go and nobody gets charged or we'll kill you all right now.
01:37:57.200And yeah, we'll die, but you'll all be dead.
01:38:02.020But that's the situation, you know, they, they, even with that level of action, right, there was, there was no success.
01:38:06.940Now it's different, obviously, in South Africa because the demographics are different, right?
01:38:10.040If South Africa was 40% white right now, it would, it would be a different story or 30% white to be a different story.
01:38:15.580You know, but that is the future that awaits us, um, if we are not successful.
01:38:20.840Um, you know, in any, here's the thing that, um, I was sitting with some family members the other day, family and friends, and they, uh, the, you know, kind of bourgeois family members, and they were toasting to the victory of Macron in France.
01:38:56.560And, and, you know, uh, yeah, that's, that's, that's the sort of, that's where we can, we can agree with the liberals for the wrong reasons.
01:39:04.920Like, yes, you know, I support Macron because he, he will aim the car towards the wall and slam on the accelerator.
01:39:13.080Well, yeah, there's a certain, there's a certain, it's too late now.
01:39:16.060It doesn't matter if you support him or not because he's in, right?
01:39:18.220And so the issue is that in France, you know, um, things are not going to be good.
01:39:24.840Things are not going to be good in the future.
01:39:26.760And these, these people who are toasting, you know, Macron, they don't, you know, they don't realize like what will occur.
01:39:32.520Um, and the naivete is criminal because they ought to, it's not difficult to understand is that if, once the demographics continue to shift in France, you know, as more groups come in to compete for the same resources, the same infrastructure, the conflict levels will increase.
01:39:50.120Things, things will get spicier, things will escalate.
01:39:53.520And that conflict will eventually turn into, you know, like open warfare.
01:39:57.440Um, you know, you, you can talk about the race war and I think, you know, that in the United States, there may or may not be a race war.
01:40:04.740Um, but in Europe, I think that that kind of level of conflict is almost inevitable.
01:40:11.580Um, because there's no way that these two groups of people can subsist next to one another without conflict because they've, and they've been doing it for the last 1500 years.
01:40:21.460You know, and this is one of these things.
01:40:24.060I've seen these people come up with these ideas like this, that, you know, Islam, that the United States, you know, Zong wants to play up the threat of radical Islamic terrorism using a false dialectic, um, and in order to, you know, get us to play into their goals of like bombing the Middle East.
01:41:03.860And so the, you know, I don't think anybody is interested in bombing, you know, the Saudis.
01:41:09.180Um, you know, they can, they can stay in.
01:41:11.320Um, but what I am interested is I am interested in fighting the enemies that are on our borders, you know, like Turks, for example, uh, and so on.
01:41:22.500So I just think I thought that was an interesting caveat.
01:41:24.800So we've more or less come to the end of our subject.
01:41:26.960I mean, Doc, do you have anything you wanted to say on, on social?
01:41:31.240Well, just, you know, the, I, I, I, I do want to say that, um, one of the reasons why we have to be thinking and, and, and,
01:41:41.320um, acting, um, now, rather than, um, you know, one might say save our powder for that day upon which, uh, the system does finally show its cracks and come apart and, and, and, and that, that moment of opportunity arise.
01:41:59.080The reason why we need to be acting now and assisting in acceleration, as it were, assisting in the centrifugal, uh, uh, pressures that are pulling, uh, the state apart and, and assist that process.
01:42:15.360The reason why that's necessary is because, well, as Adam Smith correctly says, there is a lot, there is a lot of ruin in a nation, all right?
01:42:26.020It is, while it is certain that the system will come apart someday, it is by no means certain that it will be within our lifetimes.
01:42:35.480And there is, there, there is no way of knowing, no way of even conceiving of the amount of harm and evil and degeneracy that could be done to ourselves and to our children and to our children's children in the meantime.
01:42:54.140You know, and I, I think that the real, the question here, and we could really do a whole Mysterium episode on this is what is the level of the deep state, um, or the regime capital R, how powerful are our enemies?
01:43:07.800Um, you know, because if we kind of look at things from the outside and, you know, we make the presumption of like, okay, you know, our enemies, it's like a whole bunch of, you know, capital owners who are able to influence the democratic process that, you know, the financiers by the media.
01:43:24.140And the, the military, uh, and the politicians that control the military, right?
01:43:30.980Um, you know, that what we can just rely on is the collapse of capital, right?
01:43:36.220That the, you know, the, the human capital that supplies the military caste and the, um, economic caste will just like eventually living conditions will become so bad that it will just collapse because they're violating natural law and that that's bound, they're bound to run into natural law problems, uh, natural law punishments.
01:43:54.140Now, the problem that we're starting to get into is that the technology that we're, we're talking about with some, with our opponents is, um, you know, there's serious reason to believe that they have, you know, a lot more power, um, you know, internally than we give them.
01:44:10.340Um, you know, if we talk, so if we're talking about like the American, you know, deep state, um, you know, we want to, we want to discuss like, you know, so how deep is it actually?
01:44:48.720And so, you know, the question becomes like, if, you know, let's say we get to a point where we might expect, you know, let's say in 30 years, we get to the point of civil unrest.
01:44:57.880We might expect a collapse of, um, you know, ruling authority in the occident and the collapse of the state of state apparatus.
01:45:06.220Well, what, what happens if we get to that point and the state apparatus doesn't actually collapse that, you know, there's the automatization.
01:45:12.880Automatization enables them to basically do a breakaway civilization, um, where they can continue to oppress us and exert power over us and control us for their ends, you know, based on, on raw violence.
01:45:26.700This is, this is like, uh, this is a serious question.
01:45:31.260I think the state presents an existential threat like this.
01:45:34.240Uh, and I think that the exog, you know, we don't want to overestimate their power and they're not, you know, omnipowerful.
01:45:41.020But I think that there are, there's evidence that suggests that, you know, the American, uh, the, not, you know, Zog is a lot deeper than we might give it credit for.
01:45:52.240We might care to admit it to open discussion.
01:45:54.700Um, and when you start looking at the evidence behind, you know, like secret weapons projects, you know, we talk about, um, you know, disc craft and, uh, you know, genetic modification, uh, mind control.
01:46:09.420We know that the government has worked in these things and weather modification.
01:46:12.340These are not, it's not a conspiracy theory.
01:46:14.140Like we, we know that patents by these big military industrial corporations, RAND and so on, have been filed on technologies to do these kinds of things.
01:46:27.720And, and, um, even without, um, these, uh, the, the, the possible, um, transhuman threat of a sort of, even without the, the cyborg marines, you know?
01:46:43.380Even without the very real and don't, don't, don't misunderstand me.
01:46:46.380I am not discounting this threat at all.
01:46:48.440I, I seriously believe that it's a real threat that, you know, uh, a Jewish cyborg vampire master race sometime in the future, that's certainly within their own possibility.
01:46:58.480But even on a, even in an agricultural society, right, if you look at from, uh, the, how long it takes to go from, say, the crisis of the third century to, uh, the, the final, um, act with, uh, uh, the, uh, what was the last emperor?
01:47:20.340Romulus, um, the usurpation of Romulus by, uh, by a Visigoth, um, that's generations.
01:48:16.360Well, the words that I'm speaking right now in Rome, I mean, if, if, if 2000 or 3000 people came to listen to a leader speak, that's a serious, that's a, that's, that's a huge presence.
01:48:26.460But I, you know, I can just sit in my office in, in, uh, at my desk and make this podcast and the same amount of people will listen to me speak.
01:48:43.220I've, uh, been in communication with the spirit of Adolf Hitler.
01:48:47.120Um, we've established, uh, a pact with, you know, the, the Pleiadian Nordic aliens in order to, uh, to liberate the Aryan race from the oppressive shackles of the, uh, the, the demiurgic Jewish forces.
01:49:00.580No, I'm joking, but, um, but I think, yeah, yeah, this is the, these are the questions that we need to ask.
01:49:05.640And with technology, I think that the caveat it throws in is that these, the, the buildup and the collapse can all both happen very, very quickly.
01:49:12.900So if you want to look at what a real life example of this kind of collapse of an empire looks like Soviet Union, nobody expected the Soviet collapse and it collapsed overnight.
01:49:23.260And what happened is it devolved to inferior powers and everything was pretty shit.
01:49:29.260I mean, you know, I mean, here's the thing, this is, gives me hope is because the Soviets definitely had serious, crazy deep state apparatus and nukes and all of the, you know, probably even crazier stuff than the Americans.
01:50:05.480Wherever there's confusion, you can be sure the devil is close at hand because when there is a legitimate spectrum of possible scenarios, then many, many lies can masquerade as potentially true.
01:50:15.660Um, and that's the issue that we run into, um, when we're talking geopolitics, when we're talking these grand narrative issues is that, um, you know, there are many, many, many lies that masquerade as the truth.
01:50:29.560And that's exactly what our enemies want.
01:50:35.340So, anyway, I think we've come to the end of the section.
01:50:37.520It's a good, uh, very good podcast so far.
01:50:39.940Um, we're moving into the, uh, Kali Yuga News segment of the show.
01:51:20.960The man from behind a sick suicide game, the Daily Mail reports, aimed at children, has been inundated with love letters from teenage girls addressed to him at a Russian jail where he is in custody.
01:51:31.900Philip Bedoukin is being held in charges of inciting at least 16 schoolgirls to kill themselves by taking part in the social media craze called Blue Whale, which police fear is spreading to Britain.
01:51:45.680The Russian 21-year-old is now confessed to crimes.
01:51:51.360He says he thinks of his victims as biological waste and told the police that they were happy to die and he was cleansing society.