Mysterium Fasces

00:00:00.000 Bless the Lord, O my soul, blessed art Thou, O Lord.

00:00:06.660 Bless the Lord, O my soul, and all that is within me, bless His holy name.

00:00:16.500 Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all that He hath done for Thee.

00:00:26.020 Who is gracious unto all Thine iniquities, who healeth all Thine infirmities.

00:00:35.600 Who redeemeth Thy life from corruption, who crowneth Thee with mercy and compassion.

00:00:45.620 Who fulfilleth Thy desire with good things, Thy youth shall be renewed as the eagles.

00:00:56.020 The Lord performeth deeds of mercy, and executeth judgment for all them that are wronged.

00:01:08.800 He hath made His ways known unto Moses, unto the sons of Israel, the things that He hath willed.

00:01:18.020 Compassionate and merciful is the Lord, on suffering and pletious and mercy.

00:01:29.460 Not unto the end will He be angered, neither unto eternity will He be wroth.

00:01:38.200 Not according to our iniquities hath He held with us,

00:01:48.000 neither according to our sins hath He rewarded us.

00:01:54.440 For according to the height of heaven from the earth,

00:01:58.880 the Lord hath made His mercy to prevail over them that fear Him.

00:02:04.640 Welcome to Mysterium Fasci's episode 28, Paganism.

00:02:09.840 I'm your host, Florian Geyer.

00:02:11.400 It's a pleasure, dear listeners, to be joining you once again for another episode.

00:02:16.080 It's a beautiful, beautiful late spring day here in Canada,

00:02:20.240 and I'm joined by an excellent panel of co-hosts to discuss the topic of paganism.

00:02:26.320 Now, my usual co-hosts are all vacant today.

00:02:30.240 Igreva Hans needs your prayers, and Doc Savage has Family Matters to attend to.

00:02:35.120 So, in their place, we have several diligent companions.

00:02:38.960 Rude Horthad is rejoining us.

00:02:40.360 Rude, thank you for coming on.

00:02:42.220 Thanks for having me.

00:02:43.320 It's a pleasure.

00:02:44.740 Our freelance autist is here.

00:02:47.200 Hey, everybody.

00:02:48.520 Thanks for coming on.

00:02:49.320 We all appreciate your commentary.

00:02:51.300 And Doc Mayhem is back on the podcast. 0.96

00:02:52.900 And I'm sober, so I'll keep the white Sharia shitposting to a minimum. 1.00

00:02:58.100 Fantastic. 0.96

00:02:58.760 Hopefully, this can be a relatively serious podcast.

00:03:03.860 So, before we begin, I wanted to shill for Daily Stormer once again.

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00:03:32.620 I know people have done this.

00:03:33.660 Again, thank you to those who have donated.

00:03:36.800 And that's basically the long and the short of it.

00:03:38.780 It's very, very simple, right?

00:03:40.080 As I explained in the last podcast, it's a matter of precedence.

00:03:43.140 So, this is your freedom of speech.

00:03:45.620 So, if they shut down, you know, Andrew Anglin and so on, they'll come for you.

00:03:48.980 And what's the old rugs statage?

00:03:51.380 I was not a neo-Nazi, and so I did not speak up when they came for the neo-Nazis, and so

00:03:57.080 on.

00:03:57.980 And then when they came for me, there was nobody left but cucks.

00:04:03.160 Exactly. 0.98

00:04:03.580 Hey, at least we had the base niggards. 1.00

00:04:06.240 Yeah, at least we had the base black guys. 0.99

00:04:08.740 At least I still had my constitution.

00:04:11.920 Yeah, precisely.

00:04:13.760 Precisely.

00:04:15.080 So, you know, just kind of getting that out of the way.

00:04:17.160 It's really important.

00:04:18.380 You know, you should do it, and so on.

00:04:20.820 Now, so our show topic for today is paganism.

00:04:23.960 So, there's lots of different things that we could discuss, but I feel that this was,

00:04:27.120 you know, important because we've never really sat down and given it a long-form treatment.

00:04:31.440 So, to begin, I think we should really hone in on what it is that we're talking about.

00:04:39.160 The word paganism is not very useful.

00:04:42.200 It has a lot of different meanings, and it really doesn't actually mean anything.

00:04:46.460 And so when we talk about paganism, we're going to go, we're going to frame paganism in several different definitions,

00:04:52.740 and then we're going to examine and discuss these particular aspects of the overall kind of pagan umbrella.

00:05:00.760 So, the problem is like with paganism is, you know, if paganism is defined to be, you know, all polytheistic, non-Abrahamic, you know, religions,

00:05:14.900 then ultimately it means nothing because that, you know, the breadth from Pure Land Buddhism to Nordic, you know, paganism to, you know, Arab polytheism is so large.

00:05:32.900 What they actually believe and how they live their lives and the theology, the culture and everything, they have almost nothing to do with each other.

00:05:40.020 There are certain similarities and strains of interconnecting thought as there are in most of the world's religions, you know, belief in the supernatural and so on.

00:05:48.160 But this term was essentially invented by anthropologists as a catch-all to describe, you know, these non-Christian religions

00:05:55.240 because these non-Christian religions didn't really operate in the same way as a religion like Christianity or Islam or even, say, you know,

00:06:10.020 Daoism and so on operate.

00:06:13.100 Buddhism is fairly rigorously structured as well.

00:06:16.140 And so I wanted to just open it up with just saying that I don't think that this definition is useful

00:06:19.840 and that it's much better to examine the, you know, we'll talk about polytheism and then we'll talk about the culture and so on piece by piece.

00:06:27.600 So having said that, I wanted to open it up to my panel.

00:06:30.000 Any immediate comments you boys would like to make?

00:06:32.040 Well, I don't know.

00:06:36.300 Like, when I think paganism, I think a lot of it's just with, like, depending on how it is through various cultures,

00:06:43.240 a lot of it just kind of comes down to, I don't know, local culture at best.

00:06:47.740 I feel like I'm kind of repeating what you were saying. 0.98

00:06:49.680 But, like, considering the vast differences, as you mentioned, it is a fucking useless term. 0.99

00:06:55.480 It's just easier to fucking shitpost them out. 0.99

00:06:57.960 Yeah, well, I mean, that's the thing. 0.98

00:07:02.480 So, I mean, if nobody has any screening points to add, we'll get into it.

00:07:07.540 So if we want to talk about paganism, you know, in the sense of polytheism, right?

00:07:13.420 So we can discuss polytheism a little bit.

00:07:16.400 And so there are several different issues here when we talk about polytheism.

00:07:20.020 One is the, you know, theological objections to polytheism, and then understanding what polytheistic pagan societies actually were when we say that they were polytheistic.

00:07:32.000 What does that actually mean?

00:07:33.240 And then there's polytheism as a stand-in for kind of animism or spirit worship, which is also how paganism tends to be used,

00:07:46.220 where it's a catch-all to describe interaction with many different spiritual entities or spiritualist kind of view.

00:07:54.800 So, I mean, just to talk about polytheism to begin with, there is not even agreement—this is the other thing about polytheism—not even agreement on what polytheism is.

00:08:04.660 Because if you go to places like India or you look at what Greek and Roman scholars and philosophers wrote about the gods,

00:08:14.060 you know, there weren't many people who believed that the gods were real entities, but there were large segments of the population who did not.

00:08:19.100 They believed that the gods were not, you know, like, actual entities that floated around in their clouds and came down and, you know, had sex with all sorts of women and slayed their enemies and so on, right?

00:08:31.920 What they believed is that these were poetic manifestations of the natural and divine law.

00:08:38.680 That these characters were these kind of capital M myths that encoded the constitution of a culture and of a nation and of a way of being.

00:08:50.400 You reminded me of something else, too.

00:08:53.280 I've heard a lot of talk that these polytheistic religions, like, weren't even polytheistic originally.

00:09:02.360 They were all originally just different aspects of the same god, right?

00:09:08.680 And people would just start to choose to follow the aspects, and then it just kind of spiraled out from there into different gods.

00:09:15.220 Yeah, I think I certainly tend to take the view of a monotheistic degeneration as a Christian.

00:09:22.320 I think that there's also empirical evidence to suggest it, you know, and we look throughout ancient history.

00:09:28.100 There are many examples of, like, resurgence of monotheism or ancient conceptualizations of what we would understand as monotheism.

00:09:40.080 Or the difficulty that you run into is over time these degenerate into so many different kind of flavors and forms that the labels start to become meaningless, right?

00:09:54.800 So, you know, we could say, is Plato a monotheist because he wanted to worship the logos, right, or the formal forms, right?

00:10:01.580 Some people would say yes.

00:10:03.080 Like the Romanian Orthodox Church, I know, almost reveres him as a saint, right?

00:10:07.860 Well, is Plotinus, you know, the Neoplatonist, is he a monotheist, you know, despite the fact that he engaged in magic and so on because he believed in one god in a sense?

00:10:21.220 You know, and so you start to deal with this.

00:10:25.120 You know, Lao Tzu, Lao Tzu, like, is he these daoists monotheists and so on?

00:10:30.620 You run into these problems with labels.

00:10:32.320 But to get back to polytheism, so here's the thing.

00:10:34.620 If we want to talk about polytheism as, like, the worship of multiple gods, I mean, we can give a pretty short critique of this, okay? 0.98

00:10:40.360 If this is, like, what we're talking about with paganism, okay, it's dumb. 1.00

00:10:44.000 It's dumb. 1.00

00:10:45.460 Why is it dumb? 0.99

00:10:46.180 Um, it's dumb because by necessity, if you believe, like, in the actual, um, spiritual existence of potent entities with defined limits and characterizations that came from somewhere, these are derivative entities. 0.98

00:11:03.340 You're worshipping, you know, created powers. 0.79

00:11:06.680 You know, these are not, are not the, the designers, the fashioners of the universe.

00:11:11.940 This is not the uncreated reality.

00:11:14.200 Um, you know, the, the true heart and core of all life and existence.

00:11:18.420 These are just, uh, essentially, you know, superheroes.

00:11:21.560 These are kings in a sense.

00:11:23.340 It's like, it's like a heavenly aristocracy when you look back at a lot of polytheistic religions.

00:11:29.520 Yeah, that's precisely what it is.

00:11:32.920 You know, and so to, just to, to work, you're worshipping that which is created.

00:11:37.600 And this is what we as Christians believe is idolatry.

00:11:41.100 Because it's created a matter.

00:11:42.500 Go on, please.

00:11:43.580 Another difficulty is in the idea of exactly how real is paganism.

00:11:47.620 On the one hand, we have Mount Olympus, which is a physical mountain that any Greek could have, um, with some, with a party of other Greeks climbed.

00:11:55.300 And so, oh, there's nobody here.

00:11:56.700 And at the same time, though, people don't render blood sacrifices to things necessarily that they don't think are real.

00:12:03.020 So, there, there is a, a vast sort of gap between what did they actually believe, how serious were they about it?

00:12:11.440 Right, and that's what I, what I was touching on earlier.

00:12:14.260 And that's what makes it difficult to define, because there was a broad spectrum of beliefs.

00:12:18.260 Um, like if you think about a society that's 100% pagan, you know, there, with, there's, there's no, like, standing theology.

00:12:24.080 There's no, like, um, orthopraxis in many instances.

00:12:28.440 There are kind of individual temples with priesthoods and cults and, you know, home worship and rituals.

00:12:34.440 It's not, uh, it's a polycentric, um, uh, way of life or way of worship.

00:12:40.860 But I think you're right, Ruth.

00:12:42.420 People don't sacrifice, um, blood offerings to nothing.

00:12:45.760 And so, I think that there is a spiritual substance behind, um, idol worship and polytheism, right?

00:12:51.380 And Paul names these as, uh, demons.

00:12:55.600 Um, now, you know, we can get into that in a little bit, but I wanted to kind of stick on just kind of a strict critique of polytheism.

00:13:01.820 And that's what I would say is the opening kind of argument in Savo is that, you know, you're worshiping something that is derivative and that which is created.

00:13:08.080 Um, and if you believe that these are real spiritual entities that can do things for you, that interact with the world and have a stake in human affairs, right?

00:13:18.100 Um, you know, then, uh, like, it's, it's, it's ridiculous to assume that, to, to give these guys honor rather than their creator.

00:13:26.760 And more so, most of the, the pagan myths, uh, even, like, the Greeks, even Socrates critiques, they say they're not morally perfect.

00:13:33.900 This was, uh, Socrates and Plato's critique of the Greek gods is that, you know, these archetypal figures, they do all sorts of equal stuff.

00:13:40.180 You know, they're not virtuous.

00:13:42.160 And so, how can they reflect the true godhead?

00:13:44.240 Go on for it, let's please.

00:13:45.380 No, no, I'm just like, there's a lot of rape and a lot of, almost, in a way, I guess, I don't know how you put it, like, deific warfare.

00:13:52.500 Right.

00:13:52.660 In old, like, folklore and, uh, polytheism.

00:13:56.160 So, yeah, it's not like they're really worshipping them simply because of the, uh, I don't know, venerating who they are so much as just their accomplishments, I would assume.

00:14:05.620 Right, and that's the thing.

00:14:06.600 We know, you know, these gods, like, um, we, we can deduce from, uh, um, from, from, uh, reason and natural law certain qualities of god.

00:14:19.060 Um, and the thing is, is these, you know, this is what Socrates and Plato and Aristotle and the Greeks,

00:14:24.960 their philosophical tradition, you know, they understood what the qualities of the transcendent divine, um, you know, monad, the source of all was, you know, all powerful, all perfect, unchanging.

00:14:36.020 But we don't see these qualities reflected in the myths of the gods.

00:14:39.560 And this is why I think that it's really, I don't think that, you know, I don't think that these were meant to be understood or worshipped mostly as, uh, you know, Thor actually floating around on a cloud with a hammer.

00:14:51.040 Right.

00:14:51.500 Or, I mean, riding a six-legged horse around the sky.

00:14:54.380 Well, another thing to think about is, we're, we're touching on an issue where, in Plato's dialogue with, um, Euthyphro, we, he asks a very pointed question.

00:15:04.700 Is a pious man loved by the gods because he is pious, or is he pious because he's loved by the gods?

00:15:10.180 And that's, if your gods are capable of defying virtue, if Zeus can rape your daughter or your wife, then what, what cause have you to take issue with this?

00:15:18.560 Why, why are you, why do you feel you can tell a god what is right and wrong?

00:15:24.000 Right, exactly.

00:15:25.300 And that's what it essentially boils down to, is that if we take these entities to be, like, literal, spiritual entities, you know, they become, uh, these kind of titanic demons.

00:15:37.720 The gods are no better than their titanic forefathers that they replaced. 1.00

00:15:41.380 Um, because we can see that, you know, if they're supposed to be personifications of the regularity and the order of the, of the cosmos, then they fail at that because they're, they're corrupt.

00:15:53.680 They do all sorts of things which do not, um, uh, contribute to order and harmony.

00:15:58.720 In fact, they have wars among themselves.

00:16:00.480 Right, and so if these were perfect, if we're talking about, you know, the, the real ideal archetypes of, um, the universe, the cosmos, totally transcendent, then they would have no flaws, right?

00:16:14.620 They totally conform to virtue, but they don't.

00:16:17.980 And even the ancients understood this.

00:16:23.020 Right, and that's what I would just say is just like, you know, this is not, these entities, if we're, if we're taking them to be a literal spiritual beings, are not fit for worship.

00:16:30.880 By any standard.

00:16:32.640 I mean, they're cool, you know, and we're going to get into the cultural level and the mythological level.

00:16:37.340 I'm not saying, you know, we, we should iconoclasm or anything like this.

00:16:40.320 I think that, you know, this is part of our culture and our heritage and history, and there's a lot of wisdom and meaning here.

00:16:44.840 And we can learn a lot about natural law from, uh, the mythology of our ancestors.

00:16:49.440 Um, but the, the, the notion of worshiping them and offering blood sacrifice to them is ridiculous.

00:16:56.500 Now, I'm going to open it up before I get deeper into the, the, that business.

00:17:01.740 All right.

00:17:07.040 Well, what I wanted to say was that when you, um, here's what happens.

00:17:11.480 Okay.

00:17:11.740 You make a very, very good point here, Rude, is that when people offer blood sacrifice, um, they're not, they don't offer it for no reason.

00:17:19.260 You know, we have to understand in the mentality of the ancient world that to sacrifice cattle or, or, or oxen, which are the highest form of, of animal or the highest form of offering in both the ancient Hebrew and Greek tradition, uh, this is like sacrifice.

00:17:35.440 This is like letting money on fire for the ancient Germanics, as we've talked about before cattle or orcs, their ancient horn cattle.

00:17:43.760 Now, the rune for that was the same rune as for liquid currency, movable capital.

00:17:49.400 So slaves, it's the same thing.

00:17:51.440 That's why they would sacrifice slaves to the gods because they're sacrificing capital. 0.74

00:17:57.540 Right.

00:17:58.200 And so very, the, the, the sacrifice is a very, very powerful, um, I would say it is the core action of human worship.

00:18:06.880 In fact, in Hinduism, this is explicit that the first god Agni comes forth to offer the burnt sacrifice of, of the, the, the god that has been, uh, the, the kind of titanic entity that has been chopped up.

00:18:19.240 It's the same thing in Babylonian mythology with Tiamat and so on.

00:18:22.120 So the, the, the notion of the, the sacrificial offering as the core element of human, um, civilization is everywhere.

00:18:30.800 Christianity has it as well.

00:18:32.000 But the first thing after the Adam and Eve are expelled from the garden is, uh, you know, with, with, um, their sons, their children, is the, the, the worship of God, the burnt offering. 0.62

00:18:42.620 Go on, Doc.

00:18:43.520 You know, you kind of reminded me of, um, because you mentioned sacrifice, you're only talking blood sacrifice, but I was thinking in other terms of sacrifice, like, say, your time, your carnal desires.

00:18:55.160 Um, you reminded me of something, uh, uh, uh, it was actually Hartese that pointed this out about the Old Testament Hebrew religion. 0.96

00:19:03.220 Um, all these seemingly pointless, stupid rules that you had to follow or, or you'd get in, you know, you might get stoned to death. 0.83

00:19:13.540 A lot of people criticize the Old Testament or herder. 0.99

00:19:16.720 Yeah. 1.00

00:19:17.200 Look at these stupid Bronze Age savages. 1.00

00:19:19.800 They weren't, they, they would punish you for wearing mixed fiber clothing. 1.00

00:19:24.700 And I'm, and I'm thinking, well, yeah, back in those days, you got to look at it like it was just an extended gang and you were constantly at war.

00:19:32.460 You had to have, like, your nation's colors on at all times because you never know when you're going to have to grab a spear and go fight the heathens. 0.86

00:19:40.600 Right.

00:19:41.060 Sure.

00:19:41.240 There are all sorts of reasons for this, right?

00:19:42.800 But there was, uh, more things to this sacrifice.

00:19:45.000 It was really, all it boiled down to, like, all these seemingly pointless and petty rules God made were not just because it was sacrificing their, uh, their time.

00:19:55.160 And it wasn't just for that.

00:19:56.960 It's because when you have people being so focused on, on these kind of small rules and sacrifices, they can't violate the big things. 0.98

00:20:06.800 And, like, if you're too busy doing all this petty shit, well, what you're not thinking about is, you know, stabbing your neighbor and stealing his wife. 0.99

00:20:18.700 Right. 0.99

00:20:19.260 So, I mean, if we want to get into a discussion of sacrifice, we can talk about, there's a couple of different things here.

00:20:24.660 We can talk about the actual operation of a sacrifice itself and the metaphysics, what's going on here, the theological rationale for this, the universal, you know, act of it.

00:20:33.680 And then we can talk about the sociological and moral ramifications, Doc.

00:20:37.940 So maybe we'll talk about Dutch on that first.

00:20:40.240 So, yeah, with the sacrifice, exactly.

00:20:42.260 So a sacrifice is, in a sense, a stand-in for a spiritual offering.

00:20:47.660 Because a sacrifice is the embodiment of life, your life that you've raised, you've given it to it, right?

00:20:53.460 You spend all of this time and energy, you know, fattening this calf or cattle, and then you just, you burn it and you offer it to God.

00:21:01.180 Right.

00:21:01.560 Or you offer it to the gods.

00:21:02.440 And so this act, you know, it detaches you, right, from the physical world.

00:21:08.520 It teaches you discipline.

00:21:09.500 It teaches you virtue.

00:21:10.800 It shows you, you learn to place value in things that are higher than the economic and the physical.

00:21:17.040 Yeah, I was about to say that sacrifice as well.

00:21:20.060 It gets you invested in not just your religion, but by extension, your society, if you want to look at it from kind of a secular reason for it.

00:21:29.760 That's the thing, right?

00:21:30.540 So here's an interesting point.

00:21:32.860 So we talked about it on the show before when Christ cleansed the money changers from the temple, right? 0.95

00:21:37.500 Now, it's important to note that Christ was not objecting to selling sacrifices.

00:21:43.300 Because, like, if you think about it, if, you know, if you go, let's say you're, you know, a Jew in 2000, you know, in 0 AD, and you, you know, travel 500 miles to Jerusalem for a religious holiday, you know, you're not going to walk your cattle all that way. 0.62

00:21:58.000 You're going to need to buy, you know, a cow for a sacrifice and say if you're rich, you know, oxen, you know, in the temple.

00:22:04.180 And so this is important because this is part of this part of the economy.

00:22:06.920 And in fact, the Aztecs, their whole civilization was run in the human sacrifice economy.

00:22:12.140 Right.

00:22:12.640 And so the sacrifice component of religion is extremely important.

00:22:18.620 The economic is extremely important.

00:22:21.180 Ancient temples essentially function like banks.

00:22:23.380 In ancient Rome, the treasury was under the auspices of the Saturninian priests.

00:22:28.560 That's the priests of Saturn were the ones who had the state treasury and guarded the gold.

00:22:36.560 Right.

00:22:37.200 The temple of Apollo famously, you know, operated as a financial house.

00:22:43.020 Also the temple of Artemis and Ephesus that we run into in the books of Book of Acts.

00:22:47.900 You know, idol makers, the silver and gold, you know, oftentimes these were methods of storing currency.

00:22:53.380 Right.

00:22:56.080 And so forth.

00:22:57.060 And if we see, we see also with, you know, the ancient Israelite, the Mosaic law codes and so on, there's the tithe.

00:23:05.700 Right.

00:23:06.220 And so the temple acts as a wealth redistribution mechanism to the poor.

00:23:12.280 Right.

00:23:12.760 As an instrument of social justice from the general surplus of the population.

00:23:17.380 You know, and so there's a, there are all sorts of sociological and moral implications with sacrifice.

00:23:23.960 Now, I'm going to talk my, talk my tongue off.

00:23:27.760 I just really want to make sure that you guys get an opportunity to talk if you want.

00:23:32.980 Yeah.

00:23:33.380 And in terms of also, it's, it's good for us to remember on our money is printed in God we trust.

00:23:41.020 So we, we've never really ventured away from this idea of our money is in some way a higher power.

00:23:48.740 It's something that people invest themselves in and it, it doesn't change from era to era.

00:23:55.640 And the more our currency has changed and become debased.

00:23:58.960 And I mean, if we can think about it, I know we talked about it in this show a little bit and it's definitely come up in, if you've listened to Dr. Johnson's podcast.

00:24:07.040 But wealth used to be extremely concrete, whether it was cattle or grain, we since moved to precious metals, which are even more, they're more useless than those, but they're pretty, they can be fashioned into things.

00:24:20.100 And then we moved on to paper saying it was worth X amount of this currency, this actual coinage.

00:24:29.080 And then we moved on to, we're, we're now in something so abstract, it doesn't exist.

00:24:34.900 It's dead.

00:24:35.340 Yeah. 0.99

00:24:36.120 And it's, it's even more like a fucking religion when you think about it with how like just the stock market itself operates. 1.00

00:24:41.540 Now it's just, you know, make believe fucking money. 0.99

00:24:44.740 Yeah. 0.98

00:24:45.380 We're probably going to have a proper, we need an episode in economics soon, but I think it's interesting to bring up gold.

00:24:52.520 Well, if you read actually in Genesis in the, in the antediluvian period, gold is mentioned several times very specifically.

00:24:59.880 And in fact, there's the gold producing areas where some of the Canaanites live, the gold is very specifically called good.

00:25:06.600 And I was having a discussion with Doc Savage.

00:25:09.760 We were discussing scripture or Bible study.

00:25:12.500 And, you know, we noted that I think gold has an inherent kind of sacral or spiritual quality to it.

00:25:20.460 But I think that our attraction to it is something kind of beyond the, the utilitarian.

00:25:26.500 I think that there is, um, it reflects something of the Cosmic Quarter, um, quite specifically.

00:25:33.160 Yeah, man loves gold and there's no really good explanation for why.

00:25:37.720 Um, the most utilitarian form of currency I saw that wasn't grain or cattle was Spartans using iron rods because iron could be,

00:25:44.720 means it down and reformed.

00:25:46.840 Yeah, iron rods.

00:25:48.000 Exactly.

00:25:50.040 You know, um, yeah, pretty much.

00:25:53.460 I mean, in modern times there'd be ammunition.

00:25:55.800 Really?

00:25:56.580 Right.

00:25:56.980 Brass bullets.

00:25:57.960 Yeah.

00:25:58.440 Brass we trust.

00:26:00.140 Exactly.

00:26:00.540 I don't know about you, but I'm still a fan of iron because, um, sure, sure, my, my bullets are used to kill things,

00:26:07.200 but I kind of like having, uh, you know, stuff.

00:26:12.400 You kind of like, what happened, like, 50 kilos of iron stockpiled?

00:26:16.000 Well, you know, one of these days maybe I'll find a, when, when the nuclear bombs hit, 1.00

00:26:20.180 I'll find a working factory and build a car, I don't know, fuck. 0.99

00:26:23.760 You guys are making me want to go back and play Metro 2033 now. 0.99

00:26:27.240 I know, right, dude?

00:26:28.200 I was like, oh god.

00:26:29.240 Yeah, well.

00:26:30.600 I'd rather live in Metro 2033. 0.68

00:26:32.760 Dude, okay, I know we're not supposed to shitpost much, but I gotta throw this out.

00:26:36.960 Fine. 0.65

00:26:37.520 Just for the audience. 1.00

00:26:38.920 Okay, Angry Joe's faggot ass was like, why aren't women fighting? 1.00

00:26:44.380 You, this is, like, he literally went, this is beyond the current year. 1.00

00:26:48.820 And he's like, why aren't women fighting? 0.94

00:26:50.280 Blah, blah, blah. 1.00

00:26:50.720 I'm like, it's because fucking Slavic people aren't, like, complete faggotron cucks. 1.00

00:26:55.620 And because they understand, no, no, no, women don't fight when times are hard. 1.00

00:27:00.880 You send the men out because you need the women to take care of the home. 1.00

00:27:03.760 Because then, if they die, that's your reproductive cutoff and your race dies. 1.00

00:27:08.220 Retard. 1.00

00:27:08.900 Yeah, regardless of social stature, honestly, when you enter a time of crisis, like, the natural order kicks in and kicks in fucking hard. 0.98

00:27:16.280 For sure. 0.65

00:27:17.240 Back to polytheism.

00:27:18.860 So, with the sacrifice, here's the other thing I think will be interesting to talk about.

00:27:21.980 We'll talk about the sacrifice, and then we'll kind of go to a different subject.

00:27:27.480 So, metaphysically, we look at what's going on with the sacrifice, a blood sacrifice specifically.

00:27:34.420 An altar was originally set up for the slaying of an animal.

00:27:41.600 You would kill an animal, and its blood would run down the altar.

00:27:44.740 And so, what's going on is you're offering the life of the animal, all of the energy, all of the spiritual capital, all of the power necessary to bring it to fruition.

00:27:55.160 You're releasing that and offering it specifically to something, a spiritual entity.

00:28:00.320 And so, we see in the Old Testament that when the priests, sometimes when the priests would offer before the Ark of the Covenant, the Shekinah, the glory of God, would come down upon the burnt offering.

00:28:15.660 And this is the other thing, is that you kill the animal, and then you offer it as an incense.

00:28:20.300 Right?

00:28:20.440 You totally immolate it to you.

00:28:21.580 So, this is a, the Hebrews thought that the Greeks were really decadent, because Greeks would kill their animals, and then they would eat the meat.

00:28:27.960 Mm.

00:28:30.100 Right?

00:28:30.660 Right.

00:28:31.260 Yeah, and that's something, like, it's very similar.

00:28:33.080 It's like, I think the Norse had a similar thing when they would kill an animal.

00:28:35.240 They would actually, like, sprinkle not only, like, the altar and the structure, they would sprinkle the people because of that spiritual energy when it was a good kill.

00:28:43.280 Exactly.

00:28:44.120 Hold on.

00:28:44.600 Didn't the priest in the temple, didn't he eat the meat of the burnt offerings in the Hebrew religion, too, though?

00:28:50.500 Like, after it was, uh...

00:28:52.200 It depends.

00:28:52.820 Sometimes there was, so, a burnt offering is called a holocaust.

00:28:56.360 Right?

00:28:56.580 That's where it comes from.

00:28:58.760 That's the term.

00:28:59.720 So, there would be, there were holocaust offerings, and then there were other ceremonial offerings, I believe, that were not totally immolated.

00:29:06.960 So, it depended on the circumstance.

00:29:08.740 So, I'm not a super big expert on the Levitical temple priestly law code.

00:29:12.860 Yeah, I remember that the priest, as part of his sustenance and his payment, what he could do is take the burnt offerings, and he would boil them, and then take a gaff or something, and he could take a portion of the meat for himself.

00:29:26.580 Yeah, yeah, that was fairly typical.

00:29:29.540 This would also tend to happen at temples, like the temple priesthood would take a slice of the sacrifice and so on.

00:29:35.180 But anyway, back to the metaphysic, this is what I wanted to explain.

00:29:37.920 And so, what happens is that this ritual that you do is, you know, has always understood to be a highly sacred and powerful spiritual act that evokes, that summons the presence of the entity that you're glorifying.

00:29:55.760 Right?

00:29:55.880 Blood sacrifices are a very good way to make them show up. 1.00

00:30:00.140 And if you think about, like, what you're doing, you know, you're releasing an animal soul from a body.

00:30:06.740 Right?

00:30:06.860 You're creating death.

00:30:08.100 You're rending the veil between the spiritual and the physical world by transitioning a soul from the body into the spiritual plane.

00:30:15.860 And so, you're opening up, essentially, a door for spiritual entities to come through.

00:30:21.720 Now, that can be good if it's a good spiritual entity, specifically God, the uncreated entity, he who is, that you're offering sacrifice to.

00:30:30.780 Obviously, in the New Covenant, you know, we're Christians, we have the perfect, unbloody sacrifice of Jesus Christ, where the Logos himself shows up.

00:30:40.480 And so, that's infinitely better than any blood sacrifice.

00:30:43.960 But I wanted to get into this to explain this to our listeners, that when you offer a sacrifice, even if it's to a poetic entity, you know, spiritual entities take notice.

00:30:57.580 Those spiritual entities take notice, even if that's not, you know, who you want to respond to you.

00:31:04.140 It comes down to a lot of superstitions when it comes to, like, leaving that door open.

00:31:08.140 Like, there's a lot of people who won't do, you know, crap, like, any kind of witchcraft, any kind of, like, Ouija board stuff.

00:31:13.300 It's the same kind of concept of, like, leaving that door open.

00:31:16.360 It's good if you want, or rather, it's good if you can get, say, you know, as you mentioned, God the uncreator or whatever, but, yeah.

00:31:23.580 Well, it's just like this.

00:31:26.000 I mean, for a Christian, God will come to you if he wants to speak to you.

00:31:30.860 Right.

00:31:31.320 And so, you know, for us, we just have to be open to God's grace, right?

00:31:36.180 That's our rule, is that we have to, our free will is in accepting God's salvation, the inheritance, to become sons of God.

00:31:45.740 And we have to choose that freely.

00:31:48.140 You know, and we can choose not to accept our inheritance.

00:31:51.460 And so, I just wanted to outline this.

00:31:56.300 When we talk about polytheism as an actual spiritual phenomenon, it's retarded. 1.00

00:32:01.220 Not more than retarded. 1.00

00:32:02.720 It's, you know, spiritually very dangerous. 0.86

00:32:06.760 Because especially when you start making sacrifices to idols, right?

00:32:10.880 And so, I mean, a God cannot just be, you know, an idol worship cannot just be like the classical spiritual pantheon.

00:32:16.300 I mean, it can also be, you know, idols of your own making, right?

00:32:21.460 So, in pagan world, you know, in the pagan culture, in pre-Christian Mediterranean culture, every household had their own gods that they venerated.

00:32:30.780 You know, and so you could set up an idol like a shrine to local river spirits or so on.

00:32:34.580 Or even magically to create an idol.

00:32:37.700 There was a process that was done.

00:32:39.000 And you can read the magical papyri that we bring out of Egypt that described this process.

00:32:44.020 Where you create an idol in the image of the spirit that you want to invoke to reside within it.

00:32:49.140 And then you do the whole magical process in order to have the spirit come and inhabit the idol.

00:32:54.960 And that you commune with it by offering a sacrifice.

00:32:57.220 And so, this was the explicit understanding in some of the pagan cultures.

00:33:05.720 And so, it's not a question as to what their perception of the operation was in some circumstances. 0.96

00:33:12.360 And so, I think it's very dangerous and silly.

00:33:15.020 However, there are several other dimensions to paganism, as the term is used, that don't necessarily imply polytheism.

00:33:24.000 So, before we move on to the next ones, is there anything else anybody would like to say on polytheism?

00:33:31.460 I'm good.

00:33:34.980 Excellent.

00:33:36.540 Excellent.

00:33:38.060 So, the thing is, paganism also tends to mean any, you know, non-Abrahamic.

00:33:45.620 That's a silly word, but, you know, we'll use it for now.

00:33:48.540 Any non-Abrahamic religion. 0.67

00:33:50.460 And so, you get everything from, as we said, you know, Buddhism, you know, and, you know, Greek paganism, and, you know, African paganism, and so on.

00:34:00.640 But they really have nothing to do with each other.

00:34:03.200 I mean, like, for instance, you know, Buddhism, you know, Buddhism doesn't believe in the existence of a creator god or a monad.

00:34:10.520 It believes that the highest echelon of reality is the kind of samseric flux, you know, it's the dissolution of the ego into pantheism, essentially, which is tantamount to atheism.

00:34:23.260 And that's why some people have called Buddhism a philosophy, not a proper religion.

00:34:31.100 Right, for this reason.

00:34:33.040 And so, like, what is this supposed to, what does this have to do with Neoplatonism?

00:34:37.260 Right?

00:34:37.860 What does this, you know, what does this have to do with, you know, Celtic, Celtic paganism?

00:34:44.080 Personally, I prefer esoteric Roman cult emperor worship.

00:34:49.700 Yeah, exactly, right?

00:34:51.880 And so this is the, I mean, you know, this pre-esoteric Hitlerism, it's not a new meme, just for our esoteric Hitlerist listeners there.

00:34:58.780 Yeah, emperor worship is not a new meme.

00:35:00.800 Just to throw that out, too, let's not forget the book, The Lightning in the Sun by Sabitri Devi.

00:35:06.640 Well, I say, you know, there's some good, she makes some good points in that book, but she doesn't really have any serious understanding of Christianity at all.

00:35:13.200 It's just her understanding is, like, laughable, it's like a joke, it's worse than Avila.

00:35:18.260 I'm not saying it was a bad book, but, I mean, yeah, you're right on that part.

00:35:25.760 Yeah.

00:35:26.180 I still do recommend reading it.

00:35:27.800 There's some good stuff, for sure. 0.97

00:35:30.580 And so, yeah, just to get back to it, so this is the problem we ran into, it's like, so, oh, you're a pagan versus Christian, it's retarded. 0.99

00:35:36.720 It doesn't mean anything.

00:35:37.900 What is a pagan? 0.82

00:35:39.820 What is a pagan? 0.82

00:35:40.580 You know, there's specificity is where meaning comes from.

00:35:43.220 Christian doesn't even mean anything anymore, right?

00:35:45.860 What do I have, you know, theologically, what does an Orthodox Christian have in common with the Jehovah's Witness?

00:35:52.100 One's a polytheist.

00:35:54.180 One's not Christian, right? 1.00

00:35:56.040 The other is.

00:35:57.020 But both of them fall under that title. 0.98

00:35:58.580 You know, what is, what is like, you know, a Southern, you know, Evangelical, you know, worst, you know, Boomer Baptist, you know, you know, in vitriol fertilization of black sperm for his wife type thing. 0.92

00:36:15.860 What does that have in common with? 0.97

00:36:17.240 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:36:18.160 You know.

00:36:18.520 No, I gotta, I gotta, hold on. 1.00

00:36:20.340 That's not the Southern Baptist doing that shit. 1.00

00:36:22.600 You're talking about them Lutherans and those fucking. 1.00

00:36:24.760 Well, no, there's some, some Evangelical types do that. 1.00

00:36:27.540 Oh, yeah, Evangelical.

00:36:28.520 Yeah, definitely.

00:36:29.380 So Southern and Baptist, Southern being a function of location and Baptist being the convention, not Southern Baptist in their specific denomination.

00:36:37.840 Of course, of course.

00:36:38.480 You know, I know that there are, listen, to be clear, I mean, it's not about Protestantism.

00:36:42.760 You know, we've talked about it before.

00:36:44.260 Obviously, I don't agree with Protestant theology. 1.00

00:36:46.260 I think most of it's really, really dumb. 0.96

00:36:47.740 But I just, you know, there are many, but I would just say, no, just, you know, obviously, there are many very honorable and good and, you know, virtuous Christian Protestant men who are more honorable than I am, more Christian than I am. 0.96

00:37:01.860 So it's not a, it's not a question.

00:37:03.460 Well, I'm just, I just feel the need to white knight for Southern Baptist just because more of regional rather than actual faith.

00:37:10.020 No, no, I quite understand.

00:37:11.100 I was using it merely to demonstrate the vapidity of terms like Christian and pagan.

00:37:15.080 They don't mean anything.

00:37:15.780 Right, right.

00:37:17.060 You know, because they're not specific.

00:37:19.260 Meaning, we've talked about this on the show before, that meaning comes from a specificity, not inclusion, right?

00:37:27.260 I mean, if you say color, what color?

00:37:30.440 My car is color, is a color.

00:37:33.520 That didn't tell you very much.

00:37:35.960 Is it red?

00:37:36.680 Is it blue?

00:37:37.040 What kind of blue?

00:37:37.900 And so on.

00:37:39.240 The greater degree of specificity, right, that you give regarding the color, you know, this color is, you know,

00:37:46.200 blue number 002 or whatever, right?

00:37:49.980 Gives you a lot more information.

00:37:51.580 It gives you a lot more meaning to the idea, to the concept.

00:37:57.240 And so that's why I don't think it's useful, right?

00:37:59.780 If we want to, when we discuss religion, it always comes back to how does the theology actually influence the way you live?

00:38:06.820 Because if the theology that you have is not actualized in your life, then, you know, it's not real.

00:38:13.420 It's not serious.

00:38:15.640 And so that's what we have to discuss.

00:38:17.160 And that's going to, what you believe is going to change that.

00:38:20.040 And so we have to go kind of case by case.

00:38:22.460 We make broad generalizations, obviously, for purposes of just general discussion.

00:38:28.260 But if we want to have a serious talk about what does it mean to be, you know, a neo-pagan or a neo-Platonist or, you know, a Hellenic classical pagan, you know, we have to be specific is what I'm saying.

00:38:42.280 That makes sense.

00:38:44.900 Another thing that I find it difficult when I'm trying to discuss, and I always try and discuss things with pagans in good faith, although, inevitably, the discussion always tends to go south.

00:38:57.080 It depends on the pagans.

00:38:58.820 I mean, like, the ones in TRS, they have seemed to have got—hold on.

00:39:05.960 I'm already kidding!

00:39:06.980 All right, you can cat post to this podcast.

00:39:08.680 All right, yeah, my—this—hold on, God—

00:39:11.600 Oh, kitty! 1.00

00:39:13.900 Little begging bastard. 0.99

00:39:15.960 Anyways, yeah, I got three cats and a bunch of purse dogs, man, and people wonder why I'm so angry all the time. 1.00

00:39:21.960 And I live with a bunch of women. 1.00

00:39:23.780 Yeah, I was just going to say, that's probably what you're talking about.

00:39:26.800 I mean, you want to know what made me the king misogynist?

00:39:30.500 Well, it's exposure.

00:39:33.200 You're not the first man who said that to me, actually.

00:39:35.500 Yeah, exposure will do it.

00:39:37.220 Anyways, I'm not going to get into that because this is a professional podcast.

00:39:41.240 Yeah, well, we have pretenses of being professional.

00:39:45.020 We're not professional.

00:39:45.700 But what I was saying is that—

00:39:46.780 We're not professional, and it will end up.

00:39:48.040 I do have to white knight a bit for some of the pagans I've been dealing with because they seem to have—

00:39:53.720 I straight up blasted everyone for this. 0.99

00:39:56.840 I said, like, look here, assholes. 0.99

00:40:00.140 At the moment, we have bigger enemies to fry. 0.99

00:40:03.220 That's one reason why I really hated the Iron March and TRS schism, too, because I like them both.

00:40:09.360 You know, I like my boys in Iron March.

00:40:12.400 And it's like we have bigger enemies to deal with right now.

00:40:17.940 And I've noticed that a lot of the pagans have kind of gotten a hint on that and are like, yeah, why are we going to argue with Christians about whose god is better? 0.94

00:40:28.600 We still have antifas to kill. 0.95

00:40:32.300 Yeah, of course.

00:40:33.580 Theoretically, of course.

00:40:35.140 Right.

00:40:35.480 Well, so, I mean, we're going to get into this later in the show, but I want to have a completely honest discussion.

00:40:40.880 And I want to—here's what my opinion is, and I think that that's what a lot of guys in the more Christian far-right section is.

00:40:48.320 You know, non-Christian Europeans are still part of our folk. 1.00

00:40:56.620 They're part of our ethnicity.

00:40:59.160 Just as it was the case for ancient ancestors, it is the case for our people now.

00:41:03.620 Now, however, you know, Christian history for the last 1,500 years has been—or rather, European, as a Freudian slip, but European history has been Christian.

00:41:13.940 And the foundation of the European identity as a pan-identity, right, is Christian.

00:41:20.800 And so Roman particular identity is one thing, Roman imperial identity.

00:41:24.600 That was one particular thing, right?

00:41:26.620 But if we want to talk about, you know, whiteness, Europeaness, we have—you know, we can't—cannot overlook this culture value. 0.81

00:41:33.620 But my general philosophy is, you know, if pagans want to come in good faith and we believe the same things, we're fighting for what's right, for natural law, you know, I'm willing to work with them to save our people from physical destruction.

00:41:46.500 You know, but I do think, you know, the issue, you know, and there are many good pagans, and I've met them and known them, and a lot of the guys who—a lot of those guys tend to be kind of more reserved and intellectual, and they don't talk about it all that much.

00:42:03.100 However, you know, there is a big crowd of the Kaikin-a-Stick types, and we're going to discuss this later on in our own specific subject. 1.00

00:42:11.480 That's the whole reason I came here.

00:42:13.120 Yeah, the Kaikin-a-Stick. 1.00

00:42:14.760 The issue with that is just, you know, if you want to—you can't—if you interact with us in bad faith, right, you know, we're not going to treat you with—we're going to treat you in kind.

00:42:24.140 I mean, you can—you can go ahead, Arud.

00:42:27.500 Yeah, I will say one thing really quickly.

00:42:30.520 The difficulties that we find ourselves when the discussions defray into—or they just completely devolve into complete masochistic and sadistic just melees of words.

00:42:46.420 A lot of that happens because we disagree on particulars, and we think in completely different ways.

00:42:50.860 I—we'll get to this later, but to—in my understanding, the pagan mind is an atheist mind, and it operates on atheist particulars about—and assumptions about the universe that will never, ever be reconcilable with the Christian understanding and worldview.

00:43:04.160 Yeah, frankly, I think that there is a merit to that view.

00:43:07.140 I think that there is merit to that view, and I want to discuss this because I think that this is a—this is an issue for Christians, and for very serious Christians, this is a serious issue.

00:43:16.540 Um, because what—when you have a revelatory view of divine law, um, your worldview changes considerably.

00:43:26.780 And a good example of this is death.

00:43:29.780 You know, if you're a Christian, and you believe the Christian revelation, death is not something natural to the world. 0.80

00:43:35.020 It's not part of the cosmic order by design.

00:43:36.820 Death was something introduced to the world by man and by demons through sin, by the devil through sin.

00:43:45.160 That God is not the author of death.

00:43:47.700 He allowed it to occur as punishment for our sins.

00:43:50.260 He said that it would occur to us if we sinned against him, but he did not make man to die.

00:43:54.460 And so if your view of the cosmic order accepts death as, um, like a natural, you know, good part of—part of how things ought to be, rather than something that we just have to deal with, um, as a consequence of how, you know, corruption, right?

00:44:11.040 That's a huge, major, uh, shift in worldview and thinking and lifestyle.

00:44:16.220 Right, the Ouroboran view of the universe, the snake-eating itself, where it's just a cycle, it repeats, as opposed to the Christian view, where Christ breaks the cycle and Christ stands in the center of the universe and holds it together.

00:44:30.280 It's not life and death.

00:44:31.800 It is life beyond death.

00:44:34.660 That's the key difference in our worldviews, which—and it also comes down to certain assumptions about the world that when I—when I look for an explanation for something, 0.89

00:44:45.640 I don't start from the assumption that—it's difficult to argue Christianity with people, I'm backtracking a little bit, but it's difficult to argue because they start from the assumption that God isn't real and everything that you posit is ridiculous.

00:45:01.280 And it does sound ridiculous if you're not willing to grant the vaguest of notions that perhaps God is real.

00:45:08.980 It's funny, it actually does take a certain spiritual—a spiritual mindset to actually just engage in that discussion alone.

00:45:16.560 Right, well, you have to agree on a whole bunch of things before you can have a real argument.

00:45:21.900 Yes.

00:45:22.060 You know, this is what I find out.

00:45:25.580 I find I talk a lot of epistemology these days when I argue with people because whenever I come across somebody who I think might even be in good faith, right, you have to try to figure out, like, well, does this person even believe in truth?

00:45:38.320 Right, because there's no point in having a downstream discussion if they don't think it means anything.

00:45:43.680 You know, and so we have to—this is something that we really—we should do a Mysterium episode on this, but we have to—how do we know truth?

00:45:52.360 Right, because this is the foundation of a worldview, right?

00:45:54.420 If we're supposed to be about truth, right, if we're supposed to live our lives surrounding that, if that's why we do what we do, why we fight what we fight for, now how do we know truth?

00:46:05.620 Right, and so if you get into arguments, you know, the problem with pantheism, and that's what a lot of this paganism boils down to, is that the cosmic order is incarnate in the physical universe itself, and it's part of the endless cosmic flux cycle.

00:46:19.760 The problem with that is this just reduces it down to nothing.

00:46:23.240 There's nothing eternal except the cycle of change itself.

00:46:26.600 You know, the—what success is, is simply to dominate in the cosmic order and to go with the cosmic flow, so to speak.

00:46:38.380 And so what that means is that, like, there's no—you know, the truth is not transcendential.

00:46:47.780 It's ultimately bound up with the cosmic order.

00:46:50.340 It's not necessarily separate from it, or beyond it, I should say.

00:46:54.100 And this is the problem that you get into, is that oftentimes pantheism just means atheism, because the firmament of reality that you derive all of your other assumptions from your—for how logic works, for how the universe works, for how ethics works, morality works, is radically different from any notion of a personal creator god.

00:47:20.360 Or even a transcendental demiurgy logos.

00:47:25.900 Right, and this brings me back in a round way to what I was going to say immediately after talking about the difficulty of discussing things with pagans, which is, I have a book and a number of documents of clarifications on that book of things that I believe.

00:47:43.360 It's the Bible. It's the Bible. It's the patristic commentaries on the Bible, and it has—the Bible is, of course, structured of many different sorts of writings.

00:47:53.960 Some of it is prophetic. Some of it is like the sagas. It is like numbers.

00:48:00.560 This happened, and that happened, and that happened, and that happened.

00:48:02.900 But when I come to discuss things with the pagan, they will offer the Edda—well, Freya did this, and then Freya did that—and it's stories which in their own have merit, but they have no credo statements. 0.66

00:48:18.580 They have no I believe. I—we can posit because of this. God said to do this. God gave us this wisdom.

00:48:25.680 We were taught to live this way. It's stories. I think the Oralinda book is about the closest I've heard to anyone articulate an actual God told me to do this, and I do this because God described this as morally correct.

00:48:39.700 Yeah, that's true, and this is the thing.

00:48:43.460 Basically, you're just going to draw from Father Raphael Johnson, and this is what he says, is that there's no pagan theology.

00:48:49.120 There's no pagan councils. You know, there's no pagan Bible, no pagan church fathers, you know, no pagan canon, and so on, and like the—so you can't—religion, you know, capital R, religion, right, has a certain set of defining variables, and that word, because of, you know, this kind of syncretism that has been pushed by our enemies,

00:49:14.040 that word has become expanded to basically mean everything from Buddhism to, you know, orthodoxy, and thus it means nothing.

00:49:21.800 It means nothing.

00:49:23.580 Because if practical atheism is the equivalent to, you know, high Christian orthodoxy, right, then that word means nothing.

00:49:34.160 Religion is a mood thing. 1.00

00:49:35.680 So we have to define religion—you know, religion has creed, cult, and constitution, or the three classic anthropological markers of a religion.

00:49:46.640 You know, so it has a definite set of beliefs, right?

00:49:51.000 It has a specific set of worship, a cult surrounding something, you know, gods, concepts, scriptures, all something, right?

00:49:59.400 And then it's got constitution, and that means that it has, like, a way of doing things, right?

00:50:05.440 A constitution is not just, like, a physical document, but it's, like, the firmament of a people, the base upon which everything is built, a lifestyle, right?

00:50:15.600 And so if it doesn't actually have these things, then, you know, we don't classically—we can't really categorize it as a religion because it's really more folk ways, right?

00:50:25.040 And that's what I wanted to get to as an excellent transition, and then we're going to hit the break after this.

00:50:30.580 Paganism as the expression of culture, as the expression of folk ways, as the poetic personification of, you know, the natural order, you know, I think it's great stuff.

00:50:41.580 I think that's part of who we are, and I think that there's a lot of wisdom to be gained here, and I think that, you know, to quote Justin Martyr, a philosopher,

00:50:48.300 our God is Logos Pramakator, Christ the seed sower, and that all men, by the light of natural reason which God has given them,

00:50:57.360 can come to know something of the cosmic order, which ultimately reveals and points towards Christ.

00:51:04.440 And so, you know, if we look at Baldr, or we look at Osiris, or we look at Marduk, and so on,

00:51:11.720 we see elements of Christ, the cosmic order, personified in them, you know, it's not that, you know, Christians appropriated this.

00:51:20.160 I mean, it's just that the Logos is imperfectly represented in the poetry of these figures.

00:51:27.100 That's not what the Zeitgeist movie told me.

00:51:29.820 Ah, yes, the Zeitgeist movie.

00:51:32.040 Oh, God.

00:51:32.660 Is Christianity his son worship?

00:51:35.920 Christ is the son of God, you see.

00:51:37.720 Oh, hey, let's not forget how they all, and you know what, I want to address this real quick, 1.00

00:51:44.120 because every idiot fucking fedora motherfucker, I know we try not to cuss on this podcast so much, 1.00

00:51:50.820 but that's how stupid these people are and how much they irritate me. 1.00

00:51:54.900 But they always love to point out the similarities of Christ to these other myths, 1.00

00:51:59.720 particularly Mitras, the Roman god.

00:52:02.960 Yeah, Mitras.

00:52:03.920 There's actually no evidence at all to suggest.

00:52:05.880 Yeah, and several others, they go, yeah, her born to a virgin, did this and that, died and resurrected. 0.96

00:52:11.860 Well, they point this out to all, that this is a common factor in the, whatever savior figure is in all these religions,

00:52:18.540 from the Greek paganism to Hinduism to all of them.

00:52:23.140 It is a common element.

00:52:25.900 And, but also notice that pretty much, you find Christian elements, for instance,

00:52:30.080 every culture has some elements of the flood mythology, right?

00:52:34.580 Right.

00:52:34.960 Noah's Ark and such.

00:52:37.400 If anything, that just kind of proves to me that the fact that every one of these cultures has these common elements,

00:52:44.360 that should prove the truth of it.

00:52:46.380 It's like, well, then that means that everybody, in some form or fashion, was trying to interpret the truth of God and the truth of Christ.

00:52:57.700 But for whatever reason, be it their culture, be it their own limited understanding,

00:53:02.920 they came up with this other kind of myth instead and failed.

00:53:06.820 So, I mean.

00:53:08.080 Yeah, I mean, I think it's also, there's a whole bunch of different factors here.

00:53:12.180 So, I mean, just to, there's so many rabbit holes we can go down with this.

00:53:15.480 But I just wanted to make a statement and position that for us, you know, for me,

00:53:20.900 if paganism is just, you know, pre-Christian folk culture, will I wholeheartedly embrace it?

00:53:27.980 All of the elements that don't contradict it, you know, explicitly with Christian morals.

00:53:31.580 And that's what our ancestors did.

00:53:32.980 You know, and they considered themselves to be Romans and good Romans, the best Romans.

00:53:40.360 They desperately wanted to support the Roman state.

00:53:44.180 You know, and this is one of the, this is so many.

00:53:47.120 Constantine was converted to Christianity by the huge numbers of Christians in his army and in his father's army.

00:53:55.400 You know, Christianity was enormously popular.

00:53:58.080 30-40% of the Roman legions at various times, and there were purges all the time.

00:54:02.980 Right?

00:54:03.400 Is that something was so attractive to these warriors about Christianity, even in cases when Christianity would make them stop being warriors, they would go into it.

00:54:11.460 So, I just use this to demonstrate that, you know, if we look at even modern missionary activity on the part of the Orthodox,

00:54:17.780 when St. Herman of Alaska and St. Innocent went to Alaska to evangelize the Aleutians and the Tlingits, you know, the Indians there,

00:54:25.200 where they did everything that they could to preserve their culture, and they translated the Bible and Scripture into their culture and did the liturgy in their language.

00:54:33.880 And so, authentic Christianity is about taking the natural goodness, the natural flourishing of life, the flowers of paganism, right? 0.57

00:54:43.680 And you graft them on to the root of truth, which is the worship of the Logos of God, Jesus Christ.

00:54:51.600 Right.

00:54:51.820 But this entirely goes against my theory that this is a Jewish God.

00:54:56.300 Well, it also goes back to the entire concept of rise, Peter, kill, and eat.

00:55:00.860 How are you going to talk to Celts when you can't share food with them? 0.99

00:55:04.860 Are you really going to try and make Celts give up pork?

00:55:07.540 Have you met...

00:55:08.380 Have you met any of them?

00:55:09.800 Yeah, Dramatics, like, the whole culture is chasing pigs through the forest.

00:55:13.460 They literally eat gore.

00:55:14.720 Dude, you're going to tell me...

00:55:16.040 Hold on, wait, go without bacon?

00:55:17.560 Nah, nah. 1.00

00:55:18.300 Fuck you, Jew. 1.00

00:55:19.280 Fuck you, Arab. 1.00

00:55:20.400 No, bacon. 1.00

00:55:21.740 Uh-uh. 0.95

00:55:22.440 Bacon is proof that God indeed does love us, and the fact that you Semites can't eat it is proof that God hates you. 1.00

00:55:30.420 So, there.

00:55:32.280 Yeah, so it's, uh, the...

00:55:36.040 You know, this is the thing.

00:55:37.200 And it doesn't...

00:55:39.020 I think that what happened is that, with the exception of, like, Lithuania, you know, the vast majority of Europe adopted Christianity and integrated it into their existing culture.

00:55:51.220 And there are some circumstances where, yes, a minority of circumstances, where the indigenous culture was forcibly suppressed by an imperial ethnic power, typically.

00:56:01.820 So, it was Germanics oppressing Celts, as they had been from time immemorial, or Romans oppressing Celts, as they had been even when they were pagans. 0.64

00:56:09.820 This is nothing new, right?

00:56:11.640 Um, you know, the Romans, uh, but the, the core of Christianity, you know, uh, is, was integrated into the Mediterranean society.

00:56:25.640 And you have to understand, the Christian scriptures were written in Greek.

00:56:29.840 Jesus spoke Greek.

00:56:33.140 He read the Septuagint scripture in Greek.

00:56:36.120 He spoke to Pontius Pilate in Greek.

00:56:38.760 The entire eastern Mediterranean basin, because of the conquest of Alexander the Great, spoke Greek.

00:56:44.920 Nazareth was around Greek towns.

00:56:48.460 The Judeans living in Judah considered them to be mongrels and dogs.

00:56:53.000 It was an unclean place, because everybody there was, uh, you know, not Hebrew enough. 1.00

00:57:01.880 You know, Luke was a Gentile. 1.00

00:57:07.640 And so on.

00:57:08.580 And so the, we have to, the, the Christianity is like a Jewish Semitic religion, is, you know, preposterous, right? 0.99

00:57:16.560 You know, there are, obviously, it comes out of, yes, you know, the Hebrew Semitic tradition.

00:57:20.560 But if we look at what Christianity was, even by the time of the Didache, the Didache is how it's commonly pronounced, but it's really, Didache, 70 AD, right?

00:57:29.480 The, you know, even in Jewish communities, you know, there were, uh, you know, it's not the same thing. 0.98

00:57:36.920 And we have to, it's, it's ridiculous assertion.

00:57:39.800 And so the Hellenic culture of the ancient, um, Near East, you know, was totally subsumed by Christianity.

00:57:48.800 They, they, they were integrated into one another in a harmonious fashion.

00:57:53.160 And this is why the high philosophical culture of, say, Greece, you know, the, the, the letter, like, think about this, right?

00:58:00.420 We're going to say pagan is a casual term for folkways or, you know, non-Christian culture.

00:58:06.680 Then we can't write with Roman or Phoenician characters.

00:58:10.540 We can't use Greek mathematics.

00:58:12.340 We can't, uh, use, uh, Greek philosophical categories.

00:58:17.900 You know, so it's like, is the number too different for the Greeks, for the pagan Greeks, than it is for the Christians?

00:58:24.280 Well, that's another thing where if we, if we can't use foreign things, if we can't use foreign folkways, and if indeed paganism is folkways, um, a lot of our mathematics has to go.

00:58:34.720 Exactly.

00:58:35.120 A lot of everything that we, we, our foundational knowledge is based on has to go.

00:58:40.960 Right.

00:58:42.860 Exactly.

00:58:43.500 And so that's the thing is, uh, it's just, it's, you know, if we, any, it's ridiculous to oppose, uh, and you see this among some people, some Christians especially, like, who will oppose, you know, paganism as a folkway.

00:58:56.000 And this is, and unfortunately, like a lot of Protestants, it's like this. 1.00

00:58:58.980 And, uh, it's just retarded. 0.99

00:59:01.140 It's frank retardation, and you, you hate yourself is what you do. 1.00

00:59:04.540 And so, you know, the, the people call elements of, um, what were you, like, we're, we're going to get into this, but like, I mean, we're coming up on the break, actually.

00:59:14.520 There's so many different tangents and categories we could go into the weeds with the subject that I want to, um, control us a little bit.

00:59:22.220 So is there any other final, um, comments people would like to make on this before we go into the break?

00:59:28.980 Well, I'm going to take that as consent.

00:59:34.940 Um, so, thank you to our listeners for listening to Hour 1, and we're going to be back in the second hour to continue our discussion of paganism and cover Kali Yuga news.

00:59:45.780 So, stay tuned.

00:59:58.980 Long have I drifted without a cause.

01:00:28.960 The Nile just keeps flowing without a source.

01:00:38.920 Maybe all the seekers just fail to hold God and beyond, in the search of a barn. 1.00

01:00:54.880 Far from home I've come, but the road has just begun.

01:01:02.680 Flashback Ye với tinh comet Bet, in the search of a barn.

01:01:06.780 próprio Nollan, kia yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga.

01:01:08.360 Even though I'm going to make Она the X. 0.64

01:01:09.660 You think that otherwise ripping 오틱 right towards theут of my own.

01:01:10.880 The VII rectangles of Minna and area.

01:01:15.280 The Day they done wrong with Taiwan and the Seat burn to, Yuga Yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga yrobi yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga yuga.

01:01:19.880 So I'm not

01:01:22.980 Come with us to the south

01:01:25.380 Write your name on our own

01:01:29.020 I was told

01:01:34.260 Constantinous

01:01:39.900 Silver generous

01:01:44.540 The saints are deaf for us 0.95

01:01:49.040 Oh my gosh, it's your face 0.99

01:01:52.400 I'm a pain that's in this race

01:01:57.260 Love, love, the fear is

01:02:00.860 Immortality

01:02:04.040 In astonishing colors

01:02:09.420 These means the rest

01:02:11.640 The hillbanks rise in the queen

01:02:15.760 In wonder I sit on my empty chest

01:02:21.400 As we glide down the straight in between

01:02:26.380 Through all God and beyond

01:02:30.760 In the search of a bar

01:02:35.720 A distant church

01:02:39.480 Bells toll

01:02:40.420 For they can't be

01:02:42.400 Changed and true

01:02:45.700 Raid in mystery

01:02:49.480 Veil in mystery

01:02:54.480 The song of art

01:02:59.480 The greatest of our time

01:03:02.620 Time of art 0.83

01:03:05.380 Thin away your brain

01:03:08.140 In the court of the prince 0.98

01:03:12.520 I was convinced

01:03:14.520 I was convinced

01:03:16.300 Constantinous

01:03:20.260 Full-to- puntāIs 1.00

01:03:23.700 Time, gaze, satinatā

01:03:27.860 Sai rambours

01:03:29.120 Staturais

01:03:30.920 Urлись

01:03:31.660 Your occult, cure borrowed

01:03:38.080 that are yours

01:03:41.820 We'll be right back.

01:04:11.820 We'll be right back.

01:04:41.820 We'll be right back.

01:05:11.820 We'll be right back.

01:05:41.820 My son goes in the north and now sets in the south.

01:05:46.780 The golden horn lives up to its name.

01:05:51.520 From tower to tower, a chain guards its mouth unbreakable.

01:05:58.660 They claim to own God and beyond, in the search of a bond.

01:06:11.100 I think just lie ahead, many knocks on the level of my feet.

01:06:21.240 We'll be right back.

01:06:22.240 We'll be right back.

01:06:30.380 The strong heart is greatest of my time.

01:06:37.620 The strong heart is greatest of my feet.

01:06:44.620 The strong heart is greatest of my feet.

01:06:52.620 The strong heart is greatest of my feet.

01:07:02.620 The strong heart is greatest of my feet.

01:07:10.620 The strong heart is greatest of my feet.

01:07:11.620 The strong heart is greatest of my feet.

01:07:18.620 The strong heart is greatest of my feet.

01:07:19.620 The strong heart is greatest of my feet.

01:07:28.620 The strong heart is greatest of my feet.

01:07:29.620 The strong heart is greatest of my feet.

01:07:35.620 The strong heart he is greatest of my foot.

01:07:36.620 The strong heart is greatest of my feet.

01:07:37.620 The strong heart is greatest of my feet.

01:07:42.620 He has come for me

01:07:50.400 Oh, God

01:07:53.480 Welcome back to Mysterium Fascis

01:08:09.120 Episode 28 Paganism

01:08:12.040 Part 2

01:08:12.980 So, having discussed most of the meat of what we wanted to cover with more classical paganism and the term at large, now I think it's time to discuss the most relevant politically sense of paganism that is neo-paganism, modern folk religionist movements, especially in the European nationalist communities.

01:08:36.020 So, I, you know, I want to just, I want to open it up because I know that I think everybody here has something to say about it and not talk for way too long. 0.98

01:08:44.360 Motherfucking Skyrim Paganism! 1.00

01:08:47.640 Oh, freelance, do go on. What do you mean Skyrim Paganism? 0.99

01:08:50.640 I've just, I've been wanting to get that out since we started. 0.99

01:08:56.660 Every fucking day. 0.74

01:08:58.200 I'm sorry, Brian, I just, I just had a spur. It wasn't really me, like, starting an actual coherent thought. 0.99

01:09:05.980 Oh, okay. Well, you know, we appreciate your contribution.

01:09:09.080 You know, what about you, Ruud? Initial thoughts on neo-paganism?

01:09:17.580 Uh, it, we, the word LARP gets overused a lot, but it really, it feels like people are trying to do something that just can't be done, although it, it has sort of old trappings, it's just like remade in, in modern image.

01:09:37.480 It just, it just honestly feels like that guy in Whiterun screaming, like, about Talos worship, like, we are worms riding, like, I love, for all Tamriel!

01:09:52.100 That guy was annoying in the game. 0.98

01:09:54.100 Yeah, I always kill him.

01:09:55.640 No, it brings you up, it brings up something else that we talked about, very similar about how, you were talking about how we can't use certain things from other cultures if you want to have that kind of look on it. 0.91

01:10:04.460 We had that just before the break, and it's the same way where I don't get the, I don't get the logic that a lot of American neo-pagans have with that, because a lot of them do it, to my understanding, because of, you know, it's a white identity thing. 0.56

01:10:19.680 But A, it seems like every neo-pagan I see is a, I don't know the proper term for an odinist. 0.96

01:10:26.560 They have different answers, there's Asatru, the folk religion, odinism is also another one.

01:10:31.300 But yeah, it's always, like, odinism, it's always, like, this Norse paganism, and we've been talking, there's, like, a whole realm of, at least, paganism as far as, like, white European, like, proto-religions.

01:10:43.920 Yeah.

01:10:44.680 It boggles the mind that, like, I just hear the-

01:10:47.400 Go ahead.

01:10:47.860 I gotta throw this out, just because it's hilarious, so I know this girl, she's, like, a five-foot-even, 98-pound chick who likes to do cam-whoring, and she's half-Jewish. 1.00

01:11:00.820 Oh, my goodness.

01:11:02.400 Oh, she's kind of cute, too, I'd totally smash, I won't lie if I was, uh, that kind of man, I mean.

01:11:07.780 But, but, and then she tells me that she's a follower of Asatru.

01:11:12.840 Oh, wow.

01:11:14.400 And I'm, I'm just, like, what, but you're half-Kike, what? 1.00

01:11:20.860 Yeah, and that's another-

01:11:22.120 As if you, as if you needed more proof that Jewish girls all have Holocaust fantasies, the fact is, she's still friends with me, even though I've blatantly, even though I'm pretty blatant about what I am online and say, gas the Kikes, race war now. 0.97

01:11:36.900 Yeah, and this, this pulls back to another thing, is it folkways, or is it theological?

01:11:43.060 If it's folkways, then it, you, let's stop calling it a religion, let's stop doing it that way.

01:11:49.700 But, but, in other terms, um, like, let's look at, um, the president, I believe, of the Asatru, um, or Asatru, uh, folk gathering, a guy named Stephen McNail, and he's probably a great guy, probably a decent guy, but he was born to a family of Roman Catholics, and he, he's a Mick, um, an Irishman, a son of, uh, the Hibernian Isle, and he's an Otis? 0.97

01:12:14.540 What the fuck? 0.99

01:12:15.740 Yeah, he's no fucking cent. 1.00

01:12:17.460 Yeah, well, I think, you know, Celtic, Celtic Baconism had its own totally fleshed out, um, system, but we don't know anything about it. 0.97

01:12:24.120 Very little, um, it was also a very dark system, there was human sacrifice, and the, um.

01:12:28.140 A lot of human, a lot of sodomy, too.

01:12:30.360 Yeah, it, not a great, not a great time on the, in the British Isles.

01:12:35.320 Yeah.

01:12:36.600 So, one of the things is that when, um, when the early Christian missionaries first showed up, it was a lot of, a lot of Druids in Britain and Ireland converted to,

01:12:44.520 Christianity, which is how, uh, it spread so quickly. 0.72

01:12:47.200 Yeah.

01:12:47.380 I was about to say that.

01:12:48.680 So, so maybe we should, we should thank the Germanics and the, the Nordics and the Latin, Latinis for, for crushing the Celt culture then. 0.99

01:12:59.380 And then, when the, cause, it's clear, even to the Celts, they thought that their own paganism was so friggin' toxic because of how quickly they converted and how, how much, you gotta admit, the Celtic peoples, they, they really did have a lot of, uh.

01:13:13.080 Ah, crud, what's the word? 0.81

01:13:15.620 They, they, they really did have a, a lot of, um, man, now I had a brain fart.

01:13:22.140 I know that feel.

01:13:23.140 Well, the, going back to the sanctification.

01:13:24.880 But they really loved, they really, really took to Catholicism, to, well, it wasn't really. 0.74

01:13:30.160 Small c, Catholicism. 0.93

01:13:31.500 But yeah, they really, yeah, they really took to the religion with fervor.

01:13:35.840 That's the word I was looking for.

01:13:37.100 So, yes, Ireland is strictly Christian clay. 1.00

01:13:41.560 I don't give a fuck if I was some neo-paganism. 0.98

01:13:43.040 Anyway, so back to the point. 0.97

01:13:44.360 So, yeah, all I think, oh, these are, are totally legitimate.

01:13:47.460 So, here's what I would say about neo-paganism.

01:13:49.240 Okay, I'm like, at a practical level, you know, there are probably neo-pagans will listen to those. 0.99

01:13:53.540 You know, and, you know, if you, I'm willing to work with you politically and so on.

01:13:57.060 Um, I think that that's not a question.

01:13:58.700 You know, I don't, uh, you guys who are in good faith and who are interested in fighting to defeat, uh, our mutual enemies.

01:14:04.500 You know, I'm glad to, uh, glad to work with you to do that.

01:14:08.040 Um, but here's what I think.

01:14:10.460 I think that neo-paganism, you know, I was, I was a neo-pagan for six months when I was, and I was 16 years old, right? 0.99

01:14:17.120 Holy shit! 0.99

01:14:18.020 I know. 0.99

01:14:19.040 So, I'm coming out with it, coming out with it.

01:14:21.260 And then I converted to Christianity.

01:14:23.480 Um, and, uh, so, I mean, that, that for me, I mean, colors it a little bit.

01:14:28.280 I mean, that was basically the, the whole gist of, um, you know, why I was doing it is because I thought that it was a, uh, you know, a more authentic, uh, cultural expression.

01:14:40.440 Right?

01:14:40.920 I was, uh, somewhere, some, some place I thought that, uh, you know, it had meaning and identity and so on.

01:14:45.820 And then I realized that it was nothing because it was, uh, a completely artificial tradition.

01:14:51.980 And that's the thing is like, unless you're a Hindu or a Shinto, you know, you're not, uh, in a living, uh, tradition of, of paganism.

01:15:03.820 And, like, literally, the, the word Hindu is also a constructed term.

01:15:08.320 The word in, um, in, uh, Sanskrit and Hindi for what, what the, the religion that they practice literally means that which has been received.

01:15:18.740 It's the same thing as tradition.

01:15:20.860 And so, if you don't actually, if you have not actually received these folkways, right, from your ancestors through the living link of tradition, then, like, you're not legitimate by definition.

01:15:30.720 You know, I mean, as Christians, we might even call this apostolic succession.

01:15:33.340 It's a similar concept.

01:15:34.640 So, you don't have, like, there's not, you know, where, where do you, where do you get your authority from?

01:15:42.720 Well, I did get this nice CD at Whole Foods.

01:15:47.840 Yeah, yeah.

01:15:49.060 A lot of pagan metal.

01:15:49.940 That's, that's where I get my authority from.

01:15:52.040 Well, and it's, it's, it's something else.

01:15:54.460 Like, it's one thing to venerate, like, the folk, well, not to say venerate in the religious term, but, like, you know, you appreciate the folklore of old, you know, old European identity. 0.97

01:16:03.340 It's like, as a kid, I fucking loved to read about, like, old, you know, old pantheons and shit. 0.91

01:16:08.780 It's fascinating. 0.99

01:16:10.160 When you just, like, make something up, it literally is.

01:16:13.220 It's literally nothing better than LARPing.

01:16:15.840 It's just, I don't know, embracing fantasy.

01:16:18.940 Right.

01:16:19.960 And so what I, and I think that, here's, here's the thing.

01:16:22.660 Okay.

01:16:23.640 So, people, I think people go to paganism as a reaction to the decadence of Christianity.

01:16:29.500 That's perfectly understandable.

01:16:31.300 Yeah.

01:16:31.440 But I think that this is part of our enemy's plan, which is the dissolution of the European peoples. 0.94

01:16:36.200 They want to destroy unity and cohesiveness as much as possible.

01:16:39.360 And whether you like it or not, the factor behind the unity and cohesiveness of the European civilization was Christianity, Christendom.

01:16:48.100 And that's been occurring with, like, the disintegration of Christendom with the Protestant Reformation, then before that with the schism between East and West.

01:16:53.960 So it's, in a thousand years coming, it's not a saying.

01:16:56.880 It's like all the Jews and so on. 1.00

01:16:58.740 But I'm saying that this is the symptom of all of these factors.

01:17:03.300 But Florian, they, obviously, you know, Christianity has done nothing but weak in Europe. 1.00

01:17:11.600 That's what my pagan friends told me on Twitter.

01:17:14.020 Well, I think that's funny.

01:17:15.780 They were harmonious.

01:17:16.640 They got along with one another.

01:17:17.600 Yeah, yeah.

01:17:18.260 I mean, because they're all white, you know? 1.00

01:17:19.840 Identity.

01:17:20.500 It's not like pagan Rome assaulted and completely destroyed pagan Carthage.

01:17:24.600 I was talking to Father Johnson, and he said he was talking to some guy on Facebook who had never even heard of Byzantium of Eastern Rome.

01:17:31.120 Oh, my God.

01:17:32.100 Like, he didn't realize he was, like, what?

01:17:34.520 Christians had empires? 0.91

01:17:35.760 What? 1.00

01:17:36.900 Fucking idiots. 1.00

01:17:37.960 Some pagan guy, right? 1.00

01:17:39.680 And so it's, I think, what I mean, I don't mean that just to say, oh, pagans are like this. 0.98

01:17:42.780 No, but I think it's, like, it demonstrates that there's a lot of, you know, if you grow up in a culture where all you're exposed to is, like, shitty, cocked Christianity. 0.98

01:17:51.620 Evangelicalism.

01:17:52.040 You know, and you're in, like, yeah, you're in, like, Sweden or you're in, you know, some parts of the United States and so on.

01:17:57.840 And it's, like, well, you know, Skyrim, Skyrim LARPing is, like, a lot cooler.

01:18:01.660 It's a lot more manly.

01:18:02.840 It's, you know, a lot more pro-life for the cosmic order than those forms of Christianity are.

01:18:08.200 And so, like, I get it, you know, I understand why people, if you're choosing between a lesbian bishop, a female priest, and, you know, your local, you know, white nationalist, Odinist assembly or whatever, why you would want to go drink meat and sacrifice goats to Wotan. 0.89

01:18:23.360 And I get that.

01:18:25.320 Yeah.

01:18:25.680 I get that.

01:18:25.940 If you put the choice between, um, yes, Lord, yes, Lord, yes, yes, Lord.

01:18:31.420 Oh, my God.

01:18:32.340 Help me.

01:18:33.340 Save me from this filth, man.

01:18:35.080 If it's that or, um, or Teresa's, I know which concert I'm going to.

01:18:39.300 Oh, of course.

01:18:40.000 Right.

01:18:40.200 Oh, God.

01:18:41.500 Yeah.

01:18:41.900 Maybe I'll put some Teresa's as the break music.

01:18:44.320 It's a good story.

01:18:44.660 Oh, God.

01:18:45.760 Oh, it's like, it's, well, when you put it like that, to them, it's like, it's two choices.

01:18:49.860 You either have this, you know, empty, feel-good theology of what comes with a lot of, like, just eroded Protestant establishments. 0.97

01:18:58.640 Because I'm not going to shit on Protestantism too much. 0.97

01:19:00.580 You know, people know how I feel about it, but I'm not going to go all out. 0.96

01:19:04.160 And you have people, basically, who are, you know, going together in brotherhood and whatnot.

01:19:09.380 But that's a modern thing, whereas with, you know, this corrupted Protestant theology we see in places like Sweden, that is also modern.

01:19:16.760 But that's basically just because it's eroded over time, and it's basically trying to appeal to more people to fill pews.

01:19:23.140 Yeah, we need to get into a big thing.

01:19:26.180 You know, I got to throw this out, because now I got, um, this is a rehash of a story I told years ago on the Rebel Yell Forum mixtape episode.

01:19:36.540 So I think I'll just bring it up again.

01:19:38.280 Just the toxicity of the social gospel.

01:19:41.980 I mean, so here I am, because this is actually the manosphere that got me to do this.

01:19:47.360 So I'm in North Carolina while I'm in college.

01:19:49.980 Hey! 0.99

01:19:50.200 And I'm just, I'm just checking out, um, all these different churches. 1.00

01:19:55.860 Because I've been seeing reports from the Red Pill subreddit that it's all become a bunch of feminized faggot shit. 1.00

01:20:03.300 And I wanted to see how bad it was, uh, for myself. 1.00

01:20:06.280 And I was like, well, maybe there might be a decent girl to meet in all these. 0.96

01:20:09.700 Well, unfortunately, all the decent girls are fucking jailbait, because the problem with that, with these churches, once any girl becomes of age, she immediately leaves, especially if she goes to college. 1.00

01:20:20.120 Then she's going to immediately become a whore. 1.00

01:20:22.820 Yeah, there might be problems with attention. 0.99

01:20:24.380 And the rest, the rest of the women in this church, they're a bunch of single moms who are looking for the good, beta, uh, nice man to be, to basically foot the bill for her bad decisions in life. 1.00

01:20:37.080 And so I see this, you know, they do the children's, like, rather than, like, a sane church where the kids just get separated from everyone else and they spend the first hour in a little Sunday school, they do a quick children's lesson in front of every one of us. 0.98

01:20:50.620 And they bring this, this fucking humongous ham planet of a woman out to teach these kids. 1.00

01:20:57.100 And it's, and it's like some Mother's Day lesson, and she mentioned something, and I think my exact words in that Rebel Yell episode were, because she mentioned something about how, um, people used to think that the, that the sun and all the universe revolved around the earth. 1.00

01:21:14.660 And I, I think my exact words were, yeah, you'd know something about a gravitational pull, you fucking fat ass. 0.98

01:21:19.740 And, um, and, and then, and then she goes, like, and, and, uh, kids think that the, that everything revolves around them, but they have mommies and daddies and this kid, and then, and then, you know, then this, this, the most ill-behaved little degenerate of a child, he pipes up and says, I only have a mommy. 1.00

01:21:40.260 And I'm, I'm just like, yeah, no shit. 1.00

01:21:43.320 And, and, and that's, that's all that this social gospel faggot shit is, is just feel good nonsense. 1.00

01:21:50.400 And, you know what, looking at that, I full, this is where I have to white knight for these pagans a bit, because if that is what passes for Christianity, what happened to the manliness, the, the, the, the fire, the, let us smite the enemies of the Lord with a sword in one hand and a crucifix in the other as we slaughter them in droves 1.00

01:22:12.440 and take their women as war brides, in the name of Christ, of course. 1.00

01:22:17.340 Whatever happened to that, instead we got this feminine, faggoty, weak bullshit that only a boomer could like. 1.00

01:22:25.540 No wonder we're seeing men turn to paganism. 1.00

01:22:29.420 I don't blame them one bit if this is what, this is the Christianity they're around. 0.94

01:22:34.340 Well, doctor, it kind of goes, it kind of goes to that, like, when saying, I think it's like, I remember, uh, accredited to, like, Osama bin Laden about the whole weak horse, strong horse thing. 0.97

01:22:42.440 And I, I can kind of relate to that too, it's like, um, because I, at first was a Protestant, I grew up Lutheran, and I've been to a lot of low Protestant fucking churches,

01:22:50.660 and the moment I kind of got a taste of, like, actual, you know, I don't know, actual theology, actual ritual,

01:22:58.040 and then, like, it was like, bam, I want to get more involved in where I am now, the Roman Catholic Church.

01:23:02.140 And then I look back in history, and you can see from the Crusades, not just the battles, I mean, holy wars are nice and all,

01:23:07.920 but just the tangibility of faith that a lot of Christian warriors and a lot of Christian rulers in the Crusades had.

01:23:14.140 Like, we had, like, Godfrey Bouillon, who, what was it he said?

01:23:17.800 Like, he would not wear a crown of gold where his, his savior had worn a crown of thorns.

01:23:22.480 And he, you know, he refused to be called a king.

01:23:24.520 I love Godfrey de Bouillon.

01:23:25.540 He's a big guy.

01:23:26.660 Also, apparently Dutch.

01:23:27.960 Apparently he's, uh, Flemish.

01:23:30.480 Ha, Frisian. 0.99

01:23:31.480 Ha, ha, ha.

01:23:31.800 Oh, my God.

01:23:32.260 I don't know, but that movie is Dutch. 0.96

01:23:34.240 Yeah, that struck me so fucking hard. 1.00

01:23:36.580 Like, that is fucking religion. 1.00

01:23:38.680 That is dedication. 1.00

01:23:40.260 That is devotion. 0.99

01:23:41.120 Whereas this, this shit we see now is just a glorified self-help speech for an entire congregation. 0.99

01:23:46.320 It's, it's empty. 1.00

01:23:47.620 It's hollow.

01:23:48.160 I hate it.

01:23:48.800 I mean, I look back at what I was, you know, as a Lutheran.

01:23:52.000 I, I hate it.

01:23:52.660 Like, I feel like I missed out on so much.

01:23:55.540 Yeah, another, another piece of the puzzle.

01:23:58.600 When we were talking about this earlier, where Christianity just fractured Europe. 0.95

01:24:02.640 Really, it's, it's just a ton of 30 years war posting when that happens.

01:24:06.220 But really, it was a unification for Europe in many ways.

01:24:10.040 And, and one of the ones that is, um, most people don't think about is the Vikings love

01:24:16.020 to raid.

01:24:16.560 They love to raid, um, all the coastal territories.

01:24:19.080 And they were.

01:24:20.700 They love to raid monasteries specifically.

01:24:22.780 Yes.

01:24:23.080 They, they were not friendly.

01:24:24.620 They were not nice.

01:24:25.540 And they were a continual, um, impediment to technological progress in Europe, to, uh, 0.84

01:24:32.720 to governmental progress.

01:24:34.180 And I mean that in the opposite of the modern term of progress.

01:24:37.160 And it was, um, they had two kings that did more than anything else.

01:24:41.600 Um, kings of Norway, actually.

01:24:43.280 There was Hakan the Good, who I believe received his education by English, um, monasteries.

01:24:49.160 And there was Olaf Tryggvason, who, he made it illegal to raid Christian kingdoms.

01:24:53.740 And that was one of the first sort of great post-Roman, like, Pax, um, Europas that there

01:25:00.160 was.

01:25:00.560 Because, of course, people were still at war, but the ratings on most Christian lands had

01:25:04.520 ceased.

01:25:05.280 Exactly.

01:25:05.780 Dude, the pagan genocide. 0.94

01:25:07.920 Well, yeah.

01:25:08.780 That was so political.

01:25:10.060 That was totally political.

01:25:11.180 But anyway.

01:25:11.720 They were marched out to...

01:25:12.600 We can get into that.

01:25:13.400 I mean, we can, listen.

01:25:14.260 We want to adjust these points.

01:25:15.820 So, I mean, just to say, basically, the neo-pagans, I think that, you know, you're, I mean, on 1.00

01:25:21.100 the objective whole, it's not like a serious tradition. 0.97

01:25:23.440 And, I mean, I understand why people do it, but I think it's kind of dumb, frankly. 0.87

01:25:26.640 And, um, and I would advise people to, like, get serious religion at least, you know? 0.93

01:25:31.240 I mean, Mormonism is polytheism, you know, but at least it's like a serious religion.

01:25:35.780 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:25:36.300 I mean, I don't like Mormons, but I don't fucking fault them on how they practice. 0.97

01:25:39.740 I was about to say that, yeah. 0.99

01:25:40.920 I despise Mormonism as a religion, but they at least, they got something that every other 0.99

01:25:46.760 sect of Christianity is losing, and that is actual faith. 0.88

01:25:51.240 At least they actually believe what they're preaching.

01:25:54.380 I mean, to the point that they, you know, they say no alcohol, and they stick to it.

01:25:58.020 They say no caffeine.

01:25:58.960 They won't drink caffeine.

01:26:00.000 I think, I think, uh, Ryan McMahon is Mormon.

01:26:03.120 Yeah, he is.

01:26:03.580 I was talking to him last night.

01:26:04.580 Yeah, because I met him at the Atlanta, Atlanta forum, and he was, he told me quite a few

01:26:10.120 things.

01:26:10.440 It was interesting.

01:26:11.160 It was a nice learning experience.

01:26:12.540 Excellent.

01:26:13.300 Well, shout out to, uh, you know, Identity Dixie.

01:26:15.300 Of course, they're big, uh, big friends of ours and all that.

01:26:17.960 So, um, no, back to the kind of, yeah.

01:26:21.580 So, I mean, here's the thing.

01:26:22.960 So, to respond, there's, there, and there are neo-pagans who are legit dudes, and I've 0.78

01:26:26.780 met them, and, you know, I, I got no ill will towards people just because they're not

01:26:32.440 a Christian.

01:26:33.000 You know, if somebody is, uh, you know, part of my focus is part of my people, you know,

01:26:38.220 there's my brother no matter what, um, and, you know, I've got, I've got siblings who

01:26:42.380 are not, you know, Orthodox Christians, who are not Christians even, um, who you could

01:26:46.420 call pagan, you know, but I love them anyway.

01:26:49.320 You know, but I think that if we want to talk about what's true, what's good for the soul, 0.99

01:26:53.700 what's like a serious way to be, then no, you know, paganism is dumb. 0.97

01:26:57.060 Paganism at large is, you know, as we've talked, discussed it in the sense of, of theological, 1.00

01:27:02.000 paganism is ridiculous. 0.80

01:27:03.060 Now, I think everybody here would fully support, you know, our revitalization and return to 0.84

01:27:08.840 our folkways, which is happening.

01:27:11.000 Yeah.

01:27:11.480 And it's absolutely central for our survival, no doubt, right?

01:27:14.440 But what have our folkways been for 1,500 years?

01:27:18.940 Christianity.

01:27:20.060 Yeah, exactly.

01:27:21.340 Not just that, and again, I'm going back to that whole, like, people who painted Christianity 0.94

01:27:25.780 as, like, the weakening point of, like, European history.

01:27:28.640 If it was not for Christian warriors, be they Orthodox, Catholic, or, you know, the 0.99

01:27:33.140 pre-schism church, we would be seeing a lot more, you know, like, Muslim emirates, or

01:27:38.220 emirates, I can't pronounce the word, you know, throughout, you know, mainland Western

01:27:42.040 Europe.

01:27:43.060 Like, the only, how long did the Byzantine Empire hold, you know, Constantinople back from

01:27:48.840 the Turks? 0.98

01:27:49.780 For, like, how many fucking years? 1.00

01:27:50.920 Here's the thing, right? 0.98

01:27:51.680 Like, if Eastern Rome had collapsed in, you know, the 600s in the same way that the Western

01:28:00.120 Rome had been collapsed, you know, we, like, probably all of Eastern Europe would be Muslim

01:28:06.940 at this point.

01:28:07.600 Probably Central Europe would be Muslim. 0.99

01:28:09.320 Yeah, you like Albania?

01:28:10.480 That's how you get Albania. 0.95

01:28:11.700 That's how you get Albania, yeah. 1.00

01:28:13.380 And they'd all be ugly as fuck, too, because they'd have that inbred Arab blood coursing through 1.00

01:28:18.240 their veins. 1.00

01:28:19.760 Ugh.

01:28:20.120 Yeah, and in terms of folkways, if you like to listen to songs about Sigurd and Eric the

01:28:26.780 Red, thank a monk.

01:28:28.240 Thank a monk.

01:28:29.200 Because the monk is the person who transcribed all that stuff and saved him.

01:28:32.540 Exactly.

01:28:33.360 Exactly.

01:28:35.080 And so this is the thing, and it's the great irony of it, is that Christianity has overwhelmingly 0.74

01:28:40.060 attempted to preserve these stories, right, and preserve these folkways, because it's our

01:28:44.400 people, you know, we love ourselves, right?

01:28:47.140 You know, it's not separate from us.

01:28:48.500 Our pagan ancestors are not something outside of who we are.

01:28:53.500 You know, we embrace them completely.

01:28:54.980 But, you know, we say, of course, we have issues with their theological positions.

01:29:01.120 And so, um, now that's what it comes down to.

01:29:03.760 Now let's, I want to respond, you know, let's get into it.

01:29:06.520 I want to respond to some of these issues, right?

01:29:08.480 People ask me a lot, how do you respond to kai kanastik?

01:29:11.480 You know, how do you respond to these common stock points?

01:29:14.020 So it's just like Christianity, Jewish, and so on.

01:29:16.640 Okay.

01:29:17.900 Let's get into it.

01:29:19.020 So this, the idea that, you know, um, you know, Christian, Christian worship is Semitic.

01:29:27.020 That's the, the allegation that you get from a lot of these neo-pagans and esoteric Hitlers 1.00

01:29:30.580 and so on.

01:29:31.500 A Christianity worships a, um, you know, a Semitic, a foreign god. 0.99

01:29:36.000 And that, you know, esoteric Hitlerism or, you know, Asatru or neo-paganism is a more 0.78

01:29:43.320 authentic expression of European culture and European, the European soul than like a foreign

01:29:50.080 Semitic religion. 0.56

01:29:51.960 And, you know, they basically have this narrative that, you know, usually like this, this was

01:29:57.980 the downfall of this, you know, great pagan civilization was the introduction of Christianity, 1.00

01:30:02.020 which, you know, brought about all sorts of bad things and the Christians were so mean 1.00

01:30:05.320 and so on.

01:30:06.440 Um, and that this was like the Jews conquering Europe, right? 0.96

01:30:10.840 Basically.

01:30:12.560 So, um, I'll get into it and then I'll open it up.

01:30:14.960 I just like, so here's on the surface level, as I said, Christianity is a Hellenic religion

01:30:20.880 from the core.

01:30:23.160 It's a mystery religion. 0.66

01:30:25.160 That's what it's about.

01:30:27.020 And so, you know, it's a Hellenic mystery religion.

01:30:30.160 And we can see this by who adopted it.

01:30:32.560 The men who adopted it were the same people who adopted the other types of mystery religions, 0.60

01:30:37.600 the same people who adopted the cults of Mithra and so on.

01:30:40.580 Soldiers, aristocrats, philosophers, but also the downtrodden, right?

01:30:47.460 The hopeless.

01:30:47.940 And so it tended to recruit from the polarized ends of society.

01:30:51.900 It tended to recruit from both the elite and the really, really poor.

01:30:55.680 And so I, the, the idea that Christianity, you know, is, uh, uh, you know, is Jewish is 0.99

01:31:04.380 just, you know, ridiculous. 0.92

01:31:05.800 If you look at our, to say this, to say that Christianity is Jewish is to say that the last 0.98

01:31:11.840 1500 years of your ancestors were kites.

01:31:14.900 Yeah, it's very insulting.

01:31:16.440 You're rejecting, you're rejecting, you're rejecting the tradition of the last 1500 years 0.61

01:31:20.860 of your ancestors. 0.75

01:31:21.860 You spit on them, you spit on them, you call them the synagogue of Satan. 0.86

01:31:27.000 Like a poster image of like the typical quote unquote Viking. 1.00

01:31:30.340 I say Viking because, you know, Odin is sort of the main gist of all the fucking pagans. 0.98

01:31:34.040 For memes, you know, for memes, right? 0.98

01:31:36.380 Yeah, yeah, pretty much.

01:31:37.320 It's like, I'm surprised.

01:31:38.860 I don't know if you ever will. 0.99

01:31:39.880 I would pay you money to start this with that fucking, like, why don't you believe in 1.00

01:31:43.260 Jesus thing where it's just like that, that autistic fucking music. 1.00

01:31:49.020 Why does nobody want to join the esoteric cult of emperor worship? 0.99

01:31:53.540 Well, I mean, to be fair.

01:31:54.140 Well, you have to get behind this esoteric colonialism, you see, he's the new emperor.

01:31:57.980 Oh.

01:31:58.960 We're not, we're not on Trump.

01:32:00.560 Trump now?

01:32:01.280 Oh, sorry, well, yeah.

01:32:02.760 I mean, that's the thing.

01:32:03.460 Depends.

01:32:03.480 Is he going to go to the Wailing Wall?

01:32:04.640 Anyway, so just, I mean, you know, I, I, if you guys have any, have anything you want

01:32:12.000 to kind of say in response to the whole kind of stick thing, freelance, I know you wanted

01:32:14.920 to, uh, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, mainly, like, it doesn't really make any sense considering

01:32:22.360 if, if, you know, Christianity was a Jewish ploy, a Jewish plot to weaken the goyim, then 0.99

01:32:28.440 why is it that under Christianity, the Jews have been expelled from so many fucking countries? 0.99

01:32:33.140 Yeah. 0.99

01:32:33.260 Like, it, it's an atheistic way of looking at things.

01:32:36.180 You don't look at God, a creator, and him coming down to earth as man, as just like, 0.98

01:32:42.020 you know, well, he was born in, you know, insert fucking region here, therefore he is 1.00

01:32:46.180 a, you know, Jew, nigger, et cetera, et cetera. 1.00

01:32:49.040 That, that isn't how it's, that, that isn't how it fucking works. 1.00

01:32:51.840 He's God. 0.94

01:32:54.460 Sorry.

01:32:55.120 Well, you know, it's interesting.

01:32:56.540 I had a theological teacher that made the point that, um, you know, people, they, they look

01:33:00.600 at Jesus as this, uh, you know, man, as a man, right?

01:33:05.520 And they look at it as a, they're historians in a sense.

01:33:08.500 And so they look only at the man of Jesus.

01:33:10.800 Whereas for believers, the man of Christ cannot be separated in the person of, from the person

01:33:15.660 of the logos.

01:33:16.100 It's one hypostasis of God.

01:33:19.680 And so when we look at the man of Christ, we see God himself.

01:33:22.800 There's no separate identity there.

01:33:24.920 That's what the hypostatic union is about.

01:33:27.320 And so for us, it's like, well, we, you know, we worship God, the logos, the one who Plato

01:33:31.040 talked about, the one who, uh, oh Lord, who's the, uh, who's the first philosopher from

01:33:38.460 the Ionian islands.

01:33:39.340 Uh, his name is escaping me.

01:33:43.620 I wrote a paper about him.

01:33:45.560 Oh God.

01:33:47.480 Oh, well, you know, the, the, it's not, uh, these concepts predated the existence of Christianity.

01:33:53.560 You philo of Alexandria, who was a Hellenized, uh, Jew, a Hebrew before, contemporary to Christ 0.96

01:33:59.480 before the destruction of the second temple was one of the smartest and, uh, most influential

01:34:04.560 men in the city of Alexandria.

01:34:05.840 He basically successfully blended, um, you know, middle Platonism with, uh, Platonic means

01:34:15.640 of expressing, um, thought with the ancient Hebrew scriptures, you know, in the, in the

01:34:21.320 Greek.

01:34:22.080 And so he talks about like the Trinity of God's essence.

01:34:24.800 He talks about the logos of God.

01:34:27.480 And when you read his work, it's, you know, it's this, this, the blend, like the, the blending

01:34:32.400 of these Hebrew theological ideas into the Hellenic culture at the time that existed, you know,

01:34:37.760 was already occurring.

01:34:39.640 And so it wasn't this, this foreign Semitic infiltration, but rather it was that these 0.89

01:34:43.520 theological ideas, uh, were merged with the Gentile Greek culture.

01:34:49.640 And that's the thing, you know, we have to understand is that Christ was hanging out with these Hellenized 1.00

01:34:58.240 Jews.

01:34:59.640 Whereas the Pharisees were the ones who were the super kind of Semitic, you know, um, you know, 0.99

01:35:05.000 The lawyeristic theology.

01:35:06.480 Exactly.

01:35:06.500 And the fact is, if you go by Christian, you know, the Christian doctrine, the fact 0.97

01:35:13.120 that Jesus opened the way to salvation to fucking Gentiles, that, that was a huge thing, 0.99

01:35:17.960 you know, compared to the Jews who are pretty much a blood cult. 1.00

01:35:22.560 Yeah, exactly.

01:35:23.860 And so I think the, um, and this, this is just really what I would say. 0.74

01:35:27.080 I think it's just a ridiculous notion.

01:35:28.640 And I think that if anybody who says this defiles the memory of their ancestors and rejects 0.96

01:35:32.760 their own history and heritage, I mean, how can you be white? 0.99

01:35:35.320 How can you be a European if you say this?

01:35:40.180 Because I got to tell you boys, before Christianity, there was no European. 0.98

01:35:44.240 There was Roman and Celt and Germanic, you know, and it was me and my brother against my

01:35:49.500 father and so on, the tribalistic mentality.

01:35:52.760 You know, you reminded me of something I said on another episode of the War Room, uh, in

01:35:56.600 regards to, cause a lot of these pagans, they're definitely on board with this too.

01:36:00.740 No more brother wars.

01:36:02.080 And, um, one thing I can definitely, uh, we can definitely say for sure is that it was

01:36:10.080 the death of Christianity that led to such disastrous brother wars like World War I and 0.68

01:36:15.700 II.

01:36:16.480 Darwin, it was, uh, Vanzetti or Seiko.

01:36:20.340 I sometimes have trouble telling which one's which, but they, uh, one of them pointed out

01:36:26.260 that Darwin kind of put in the death knell of belief, uh, with his theory of evolution.

01:36:33.180 And it did.

01:36:34.220 It was, uh, what led to World War I and II was a steady declining and death of faith.

01:36:39.980 And, uh, as the, as Christianity died, uh, it was slowly getting replaced with nationalism.

01:36:47.200 And, uh, now we see as nationalism, because I know we got a bunch of Spengler followers

01:36:51.940 in here too, as we see nationalism is pretty much dead, even though Trump is kind of, what

01:36:58.200 we're seeing with, with what we call nationalism now is not actual nationalism so much as cults

01:37:05.400 of personality because now we're seeing with the death of, uh, nationalism is back in the

01:37:13.260 room, man.

01:37:13.880 Oh yeah, I know.

01:37:14.660 Well, I'm a big fan of Spengler too.

01:37:17.140 We're now seeing the, the rise of the Caesars.

01:37:20.000 Unfortunately, it's going to be another 80 years before we see someone who would say purge

01:37:25.700 the intellectual and financial classes and exterminate them.

01:37:29.960 Uh, I wish I could live long enough to see that, but anyways, but that's kind of what we're

01:37:34.820 seeing now, but we can argue that back to the point, it was the death of Christianity

01:37:39.420 is what led to all these disastrous brother wars and this disastrous policy that is leading

01:37:46.140 to our race's extermination. 0.97

01:37:48.520 I think that's, uh, damn correct. 0.97

01:37:50.140 That's exact, Doc Mayhem, and that's what's going on, is it was the death of that, that 0.95

01:37:55.080 transcendence as the unifying factor that has led to, um, that led to the kind of, um, fetishization

01:38:02.480 of the nation, that was the impetus behind World War I, which ultimately was not about

01:38:06.340 national interest.

01:38:07.980 You know, World War I was about-

01:38:09.080 It was still kike interests. 1.00

01:38:10.300 Right, it was about kike interests. 1.00

01:38:12.180 It was about kike interests. 1.00

01:38:14.060 So I'm not saying nationalism is not important, right?

01:38:16.460 But it's like, you know, the physical is subsumed to the spiritual and so on.

01:38:19.860 There's a hierarchy, right?

01:38:21.400 And they still try to pin-

01:38:22.960 Yeah, they still, even in World War I, they still try to say,

01:38:25.700 Oy vey, the Russians holocaustered us! 1.00

01:38:29.620 And, um, oh, what a mess.

01:38:32.640 And even then, this is something I do have to appreciate from the pagans, is like, because 0.97

01:38:36.860 they've seen the social gospel I mentioned before, they've seen how gay- 0.99

01:38:41.040 There's no other way to put it. 1.00

01:38:42.400 How, just fucking gay, Christian, uh, modern, uh, this, this horrifying abomination that 1.00

01:38:51.040 calls itself modern Christianity. 1.00

01:38:53.600 They've seen how gay it is, and they just, they just instinctively recoil. 0.55

01:38:58.380 And they're trying to kind of get, in their own way, that, that transcendence you mentioned,

01:39:03.140 they're trying to bring that, try to achieve that for themselves in something because of

01:39:10.100 after just losing, just losing a reason to care about the, uh, this thing that calls

01:39:17.840 itself Christianity these days.

01:39:19.600 I can appreciate that, even if they're, well, wrong.

01:39:22.900 Of course, and I think that we all care.

01:39:24.900 Go on, Ruth.

01:39:25.920 One of the, one of the chief critiques that is leveled against Christians that I think we

01:39:30.700 should definitely address is, it's the great either-or.

01:39:34.040 Is your race more important than Jesus, or is, um, Jesus more important than your race?

01:39:38.520 If one is more important than the other than, and you're not really religious, or, um, you're,

01:39:43.540 you can't be trusted to be a nationalist, you can't be trusted to, to be in this fight

01:39:49.020 for the right reasons because, well, you think you're going to hell if, um, you, if you take

01:39:54.200 your race aside.

01:39:56.880 Yeah, that's a great point.

01:39:58.060 And it's very simple to refute this.

01:39:59.840 Do you love your mother or do you love your, uh, comrade-at-arms?

01:40:03.640 Who do you love more?

01:40:04.460 Oh, you love your mother more?

01:40:05.860 Wow, I guess you can't be in the military.

01:40:07.080 Yeah. 0.99

01:40:08.520 It's ridiculous. 0.96

01:40:09.580 I was about to say, it's like, by the way, um, if you consider your race to simply be 0.98

01:40:16.480 nothing more than an extended family or a clan or a tribe, yeah, you can put Christ over 0.84

01:40:22.200 your race in the sense that you can put God over your own parents, but keep in mind, Christ

01:40:28.340 and God tells you to venerate your family.

01:40:31.600 And on, you know, if you look at the words of Paul, he said, uh, husbands love your wives

01:40:38.280 and children as Christ loved the church.

01:40:41.260 Well, he outright said that you under that, that right there can be taken with no uncertainty

01:40:47.340 whatsoever that Christ expects you to be willing to suffer horrific torture for the sake of

01:40:53.420 your, your, your loved ones.

01:40:55.280 Yeah.

01:40:55.440 As a man, you are expected to risk to, to get on the cross and die slowly for the sake

01:41:02.280 of your wife and kids.

01:41:03.380 Well, if your race is just an extended family, then basically you are told, you are commanded

01:41:09.760 to love your family.

01:41:11.700 And while you must put Christ before them, you are still commanded to be loyal to your family.

01:41:17.580 Well, Paul even goes on to say that he who does not provide for his family is worse than

01:41:21.360 an unbeliever.

01:41:23.420 And there you go.

01:41:24.440 And like, that's it.

01:41:25.720 That's it.

01:41:26.220 So for all you pagans who think Christians might not go side with race.

01:41:30.600 Right.

01:41:30.780 And that's what we were saying is that the early Christians, they were the best Romans.

01:41:34.320 You know, they totally supported the Roman state and they were 100% behind Roman culture 0.99

01:41:38.640 and they saw themselves as, you know, true Romans.

01:41:42.560 Right.

01:41:43.040 And they desperately tried to prove this.

01:41:44.680 And this is one of the reasons for the nonviolence against the state is because they wanted to

01:41:49.840 demonstrate that they actually considered the Roman authority to be legitimate, not in

01:41:53.700 what they were doing specifically, but that the emperor, the office of the emperor himself

01:41:58.680 was legitimate.

01:41:59.840 And when Constantine came around, the empire was kind of converted, right? 0.69

01:42:03.620 This, it was just a solidification of what they already believed and were pushing for.

01:42:07.400 Imagine how it must have felt to be a Christian legionary in those days.

01:42:14.660 Like, finally, you can, you can be a man at arms and you can serve your emperor without

01:42:21.000 any kind of crisis of conscience.

01:42:23.440 Well, and when the edict of Milan was issued, dude, this is like right after the great persecution

01:42:28.760 of Diocletian, right?

01:42:30.220 So most of these Christian soldiers, you know, a lot of these guys would have known guys who

01:42:33.440 were put to death by Diocletian for being Christians. 0.51

01:42:36.720 They would have known guys who, you know, were mutilated, who were tortured to death.

01:42:41.060 All sorts of comrades.

01:42:42.260 And that was the thing.

01:42:42.760 At the first council of Nicaea in 325, all sorts of church fathers showed up missing

01:42:46.960 eyeballs, missing arms, flayed skin, no hair because they were scalped, eunuchs, not by 0.87

01:42:54.060 choice.

01:42:57.220 You know, and that's what happened.

01:42:58.540 That's what the Roman state put them through.

01:42:59.740 And, you know, this is kind of going back to this idea, the idea that Constantine convinced

01:43:04.220 all of these men who showed up with the wounds of their persecution, that suddenly when the

01:43:08.160 Roman emperor converted to Christianity, he was able to get them to change what they 1.00

01:43:11.380 thought, what 300 years of persecution had not.

01:43:15.380 Such a joke, man.

01:43:16.740 That's a joke.

01:43:19.340 I mean, if you read, like, there are many different bishops who hated each other, who

01:43:22.460 were at the council, who really didn't like each other.

01:43:24.580 And they write different accounts.

01:43:26.080 So you can read Athanasius or Eusteebius talking about what Constantine did.

01:43:29.180 And you know what they say Constantine did?

01:43:31.600 Nothing.

01:43:32.240 He supervised.

01:43:33.500 He just convened and sat there.

01:43:35.520 He gave his advice for one word.

01:43:37.860 One word and then I see him create.

01:43:40.360 That's it.

01:43:42.500 No, it was a Constantinian revolution, man.

01:43:44.760 Some Jew wrote a book.

01:43:46.060 I saw this at a bookstore.

01:43:47.960 Oh, my goodness.

01:43:48.960 Constantine, I got to look this book up, but it's how Constantine continued the, instilled

01:43:54.140 the tradition of anti-Semitism in the Catholic Church. 1.00

01:43:59.760 Fucking beast. 1.00

01:44:01.740 Oh, my goodness, man. 1.00

01:44:04.720 That's crazy.

01:44:05.660 That's crazy.

01:44:07.120 Yeah.

01:44:07.440 You know, I mean, that's really what I wanted to get out there on paganism.

01:44:13.540 You know, the other thing, I mean, if we want to talk about the whole Charlemagne and the

01:44:17.400 forest.

01:44:18.220 Okay.

01:44:19.200 So for Charlemagne, you know, baptism was a political submission to Christendom because

01:44:26.280 it meant that you were inside the same tribe because that's what had happened, whereas

01:44:30.840 that, you know, the religion was a collective identity, right?

01:44:36.420 And so people converted en masse.

01:44:38.200 Whatever their leaders were, they were.

01:44:40.460 And so in a tribal setting, you know, if the father of the household is a pagan, right,

01:44:44.540 you know, you stay a pagan.

01:44:46.300 And so for Charlemagne, the issue was that all of these people that he was trying to conquer

01:44:52.660 were rebellious pagans, right?

01:44:54.440 And so the baptism was a means of political control.

01:44:58.500 I'm not saying that's good.

01:44:59.320 That's not a, you know, that's sacramentally not a good discipline, right?

01:45:03.200 You know, obviously.

01:45:05.000 But the, you know, the meme that it's like, ooh, you're Charlemagne, you know, killed all 0.61

01:45:10.100 the pagans.

01:45:10.860 And that's why, you know, Germany was Christianized by military forces is not true.

01:45:17.780 It's not true.

01:45:19.180 In the only country that can say like is like Lithuania.

01:45:21.480 You know, that's really the only example that I know of where it was just like kind

01:45:26.800 of straight, straightforward military imposition, you know, and so on.

01:45:32.080 Yeah, well, it's really telling that most of the most educated classes, such as the Druids, 1.00

01:45:41.540 immediately took up Christianity.

01:45:43.400 And actually the Druidic practice of you had to study for around 14 years before you could

01:45:49.240 become a Druid.

01:45:50.040 If that sounds familiar, that's because that's what our modern education system is based off

01:45:53.840 of, because the church took this folk way and cleansed it and sanctified it.

01:46:01.900 Exactly.

01:46:02.980 Exactly.

01:46:03.500 And that's the thing to understand is that it's not, you know, it is us.

01:46:08.740 It is us.

01:46:10.500 So anyway, boys, anything else you want to hit in terms of the paganism?

01:46:15.460 All right.

01:46:20.540 Once more, silence is consent.

01:46:22.760 So I'm going to move on to Kali Yuga News.

01:46:27.460 And we're going to cover, I guess I'll cover the first story.

01:46:31.260 This is from the province that I live in, so you can dox yourself here, but it's from

01:46:34.600 churchmilitant.com, who's always a good source of Kali Yuga News.

01:46:38.700 Bill allowing Ontario doctors to reject assisted suicide fails.

01:46:42.500 Ontario doctor, making, basically, a bill allowing Ontario's doctors to opt out of

01:46:49.280 assisted suicides has failed to pass.

01:46:51.680 On Thursday, the Ontario Legislature Assembly voted down Bill 129, which would have shielded

01:46:56.980 doctors from having to refer suicidal patients to doctors who would help kill them.

01:47:02.500 Writing what's called an effective referral for a patient to receive doctor-assisted suicide

01:47:07.580 is seen by many physicians in Ontario as writing a patient's death warrant.

01:47:11.160 One such doctor commented, for many people, making a referral is being complicit in the

01:47:15.840 act of killing a patient.

01:47:17.640 Another doctor remarked, I can't say I'm opposed to robbing a bank and then give the would-be

01:47:21.680 thief a combination to the locks.

01:47:23.680 Now, this is a particularly special topic for me because when the legislation in Canada was

01:47:28.360 being assembled and passed to legalize the assisted suicide, I was actually attending meetings

01:47:39.980 of the Catholic Doctors Guild in my city.

01:47:42.840 And so I got to see, like, firsthand from the inside, from these doctors working in these

01:47:46.560 hospitals, how all of this was going down.

01:47:49.400 And basically, yeah, this is what the situation is now.

01:47:52.300 So as a doctor, you know, they're going to make you, this is how they're going to, that

01:47:57.120 liberalism is becoming totalitarian, right?

01:47:59.460 You know, so as a doctor, you know, you're not behind abortion.

01:48:02.040 You're not willing to refer people for medical assistance to suicide.

01:48:04.400 You're going to lose your license to practice medicine.

01:48:06.680 Oh, Catholic hospitals, not willing to perform abortions, not willing to, you know, give 1.00

01:48:12.160 people assisted suicide or refer them, you're going to lose your license to operate.

01:48:18.140 That's, that's the level of control and that's what's going to occur.

01:48:21.040 And this is what it's all about, man.

01:48:22.640 So we're going to talk about, to E. Michael Jones soon about this, in Libido Dominandi, because

01:48:28.300 this is sort of a form of it, um, where it's all about the culture war, right?

01:48:35.780 That's what it's all about, because if you can break down the culture, you can destroy

01:48:39.320 the soul and you can recreate it in your image.

01:48:41.620 And that's how you conquer somebody totally.

01:48:45.180 I'll put it up to you guys.

01:48:46.060 What do you think?

01:48:46.800 They're going to force us underground, which we've been there before.

01:48:49.720 It's not pretty.

01:48:50.680 It's not fun.

01:48:51.420 Nobody, no, no sane individual should want to be forced underground, but this is how, this

01:48:56.500 is how it all starts.

01:48:57.180 We're going to start providing medical care for one another under the table.

01:49:01.160 And for, um, it were, they're forcing us to do what we should have done anyways, a long

01:49:06.580 time ago and brought medical care and other things like public good things, like lawyers,

01:49:12.640 lawyers never used to be considered as awful as they are now.

01:49:16.820 And they, they were considered very similar to doctors because that is, they, they were guardians

01:49:22.460 of the commons.

01:49:23.120 They were never wealthy men, but they were respected and esteemed.

01:49:27.180 And they, they cared for people and their position and power came from the fact that

01:49:33.500 they were such powerful guardians of the common good.

01:49:36.080 And we're, they're forcing us to go back to how it should have been.

01:49:39.680 Right.

01:49:42.300 That's the thing.

01:49:43.000 And I, you know, um, we're all going to be underground at some point.

01:49:46.940 And that's basically what, what we're here to say, Amsterium is that, uh, you know, in

01:49:49.680 these countries, if we don't win, if we don't win soon, we're all going underground, whether

01:49:54.380 you're political, you're Christian, whatever.

01:49:55.960 So, you know, you know, if you are an enemy of, of Zog, of, you know, the new world order 1.00

01:50:01.680 of the liberal establishment, the, you know, Atlantic, Anglo-Atlanticist alliance.

01:50:05.720 Can we just call them, can we just call them Mammon, Satan, or the synagogue? 0.92

01:50:10.760 Yeah, that's what I call it.

01:50:11.620 I prefer the term, uh, I prefer the term synagogue of Satan. 0.86

01:50:14.240 Cause I think that that is the most, um, I think that's the most descriptive of how

01:50:19.800 what's going on here and who's operating.

01:50:21.580 And it's like, yeah, the, the, if you're an enemy of the synagogue of Satan, right?

01:50:25.380 If you're not going to bow down and eat the sacrifice to meet to idols, or you're not going

01:50:29.600 to take the mark of the beast, then it's like, yeah, they're going to persecute you.

01:50:33.500 That's the long and the short of it.

01:50:35.360 That's the long and the short of it. 0.95

01:50:36.740 Whether it's with fag marriage, whether it's with assisted suicide, murder, abortion, it's 1.00

01:50:41.500 about death, man. 1.00

01:50:42.640 That's what it's about.

01:50:43.360 And they're going to come for you.

01:50:45.120 And that's how it is in Ontario.

01:50:46.640 And that's how it's going to, you know, the Netherlands, they are doing similar things.

01:50:50.940 First country to legalize it.

01:50:52.180 And so it's like, that's it.

01:50:57.740 That's it.

01:50:59.340 Now, I mean, do you guys have any further comments or do you want to move to a different

01:51:03.040 story?

01:51:06.080 Uh, I, I don't know.

01:51:08.440 Uh, I, I miss the Grave Hans posting on this.

01:51:11.180 It is Phil.

01:51:12.040 We deserve it.

01:51:14.360 Exactly.

01:51:14.980 We deserve it.

01:51:15.560 Well, that's the thing, right?

01:51:17.100 When you, when you're compelling your doctors who in their Hippocratic oath promised to do

01:51:21.660 no harm, when you compel them to give a referral to kill a patient, you invert satanically their

01:51:30.360 profession.

01:51:31.640 It's just as with abortion.

01:51:33.160 Yeah, I, I, I, I don't know why, other than the vestigial idea of the common good, why

01:51:41.580 doctors and lawyers are always associated.

01:51:43.180 Well, there are two very Jewish professions.

01:51:45.000 And a Jewish mother will tell her daughter, you got to marry a lawyer or a doctor. 0.96

01:51:50.640 I've actually got a good Jewish joke about it if you want to hear it. 0.63

01:51:53.240 Oh, certainly.

01:51:54.360 Okay.

01:51:54.660 So, uh, young Jewish mother is crossing the road with two children in hand and she crosses

01:51:59.720 by the rabbi and the rabbi says, wow, such beautiful sons.

01:52:03.340 How old are they?

01:52:04.160 And she says, well, the doctor's six and the lawyer's nine.

01:52:08.920 And you know, the thing is they, they, like medicine has been subverted from healing into

01:52:15.200 wounding our law system, a lawyer now, um, in most cases and in most practices, their

01:52:23.060 job is to subvert justice rather than to see it done.

01:52:28.060 Precisely, precisely.

01:52:30.160 And that's, uh, you know, natural law will punish us, right?

01:52:33.660 If we don't execute justice, we'll collapse, you know, and that's the, the natural and

01:52:39.120 divine law are in harmony.

01:52:41.200 And that's what we try to get at here is that with the hypostatic union of Christ, with the

01:52:46.300 incarnation of the God man, all affairs that are proper to human beings are proper to God.

01:52:51.680 You know, and so the, the, we have to have this, this, this total, um, understanding of

01:52:58.800 what's going on here.

01:52:59.480 And that's what, that's what this, that's what this is.

01:53:03.000 That's what our enemies are trying to do is they're trying to subvert life at its very

01:53:06.380 basic element.

01:53:07.580 And that's what ultimately national socialism or, or Christianity, it's about life, about

01:53:13.360 reality.

01:53:14.020 It's about human flourishing, you know, and that's, that's why we, we do what we do and

01:53:19.460 believe what we believe.

01:53:21.220 Now, Doc Mayhem, do you want to, uh, you want to, you want to select an article?

01:53:28.660 Sure.

01:53:29.020 Let me give these notes a look, see, right quick.

01:53:35.480 I think you might like the last one.

01:53:37.120 I don't know if Rude wanted to pick that.

01:53:42.420 Uh, I can go with, uh, the, yes, the article, um, by Andrew Anglin, titled, as only Anglin

01:53:53.900 has the real knack for writing, Stephen the Pussyhawk Hawking, says, we must populate 0.99

01:54:01.500 other planets in a hundred years to make room for blacks. 1.00

01:54:04.020 Um, the YouTube video is linked, um, if you want to read the article for yourself and, uh,

01:54:11.200 watch a robot talk as a man.

01:54:13.900 We put it in the description, we put the stories there, so.

01:54:16.840 Yep.

01:54:17.560 Uh, it begins with Andrew's commentary.

01:54:19.460 It's a good thing we have technology so that crippled mutants can speak with a robot voice. 1.00

01:54:24.060 Elsewise, we wouldn't be able to hear this little twerps gobbledygook. 1.00

01:54:28.280 And he quotes from Russia Today.

01:54:29.840 Renowned theoretical physicist and cosmologist Stephen Hawking has again called on humanity

01:54:34.900 to redouble its efforts to colonize other worlds before the Earth becomes uninhabitable.

01:54:40.420 This time, however, the deadline is even tighter.

01:54:43.140 And it goes on at great length, um, and Anglin says, that's a pretty big jump in a year's 0.61

01:54:50.480 time, Pussyhawk. 1.00

01:54:51.360 Maybe you don't have any idea what you're even talking about. 0.99

01:54:54.880 And of course, we're running out of space, you little crippled. 1.00

01:54:58.480 There are going to be four billion Africans 80 years from now. 0.99

01:55:02.100 Again, Anglin has a way with words.

01:55:03.440 It truly does.

01:55:05.900 Yeah, no, I think this is a very interesting article because there's a couple of different

01:55:09.180 things to discuss here.

01:55:10.560 Number one is Stephen Hawking as kind of the apostle of, you know, this atheistic materialist

01:55:16.080 scientism, totally philosophically illiterate, you know, this priest of, uh, arrogance and 0.55

01:55:22.180 hubris. 0.97

01:55:24.300 I also want to throw this out. 1.00

01:55:26.120 Ever notice how it's these, these fucking useless, weak sacks of shit who can be killed 1.00

01:55:31.120 by a stiff breeze are the ones who like most embrace shit libery. 1.00

01:55:35.780 It's like, it's like as though leftism is, is, is a reproductive strategy or something. 0.99

01:55:42.660 Yeah.

01:55:42.940 It's like a reproductive strategy, a survival strategy by the defective and undesirable

01:55:48.860 and people who just have, would have no shot in hell of surviving in a state of nature.

01:55:56.020 Well, that's what feminism is. 1.00

01:55:57.620 It's failed women redefining the definition of success for women. 1.00

01:56:01.760 Instead of being pretty, kind, um, demure, modest and all sorts of other great things.

01:56:07.460 Um, generous, generous is a great quality for women. 1.00

01:56:09.960 They've redefined success for women to be domineering, bossy asshole. 1.00

01:56:14.540 They just, it's the product of, um, liberal failure. 1.00

01:56:18.860 Yeah.

01:56:18.980 And then they want to stuff those good women into some heartless corporate cubicle. 1.00

01:56:23.400 So that way they're, they can, they can be reproductive failures too. 0.94

01:56:27.400 And Sam, yes, it's almost like it's, it's one of those things like Stephen Hawking here. 0.99

01:56:33.520 And even then hit, yeah, all of his theories turns out his little black hole shit is being 0.99

01:56:38.300 debunked. 1.00

01:56:39.080 Ha ha. 0.99

01:56:41.020 It's like, you know, it's like as though this, this little turd of a man is a black hearted 1.00

01:56:47.540 soulless piece of shit. 1.00

01:56:49.380 And God is giving him just punishment by making him a cripple and then giving him all this life 1.00

01:56:55.700 support technology to prolong this horrifying existence that is clearly worse than death.

01:57:02.220 Well, it's an interesting kind of contradiction.

01:57:04.140 I mean, if we want to do a case study here.

01:57:05.640 So this guy, I mean, who is, as you say, I mean, this guy is essentially sustained by

01:57:11.120 the, the, by high technology, right?

01:57:13.520 That's how his mind is able to express itself.

01:57:16.060 And so, I mean, I think father Johnson on this podcast called him like a Gnostic apostle,

01:57:19.920 you know, cause he's like this mind who's using the secret tech, you know, this high technology

01:57:24.460 to overcome, uh, the barriers of physicality.

01:57:27.580 And, you know, what does he use his mind for?

01:57:29.140 What does he use his mind for?

01:57:30.560 Right.

01:57:31.040 And so, I mean, just here's, well, let's treat the issue.

01:57:33.400 A hundred years left on this planet.

01:57:35.500 That's unlikely unless we nuke ourselves.

01:57:38.160 This planet has a very large carrying capacity.

01:57:40.200 The biggest thing is that overpopulation is always a regional problem.

01:57:44.260 Four billion Negroes don't really matter if they stay on the, in, in Africa. 1.00

01:57:48.820 And if we quit feeding the, the animals, of course, then nature would take its course. 0.95

01:57:54.760 Precisely. 0.97

01:57:55.560 So if we left the, if we left the Negroes damn well enough alone, you know, they would sort, 1.00

01:58:00.540 have to sort themselves out and it would either happen by natural law, which is painful or by, 0.99

01:58:05.460 you know, using their frigging brains if, uh, they've got enough. 0.95

01:58:09.060 And so I think, um, that's the, the solution I had here. 0.99

01:58:13.220 Um, but obviously, yeah, if we don't control the Negro population, then they're just going 1.00

01:58:17.760 to export themselves everywhere and it's going to be pandemonium and chaos globally that we're 0.97

01:58:21.860 not going to like that.

01:58:22.980 Um, you know, and, uh, but I think the question of probably we will do a Mysterium episode on,

01:58:30.140 uh, space travel and so on.

01:58:32.800 Uh, cause I think it's an important existential technological goal, you know, but I generally

01:58:37.460 support, I think space travel and colonization is lofty and noble and good and, uh, is something

01:58:43.020 that we ought to do.

01:58:44.460 Um, you know, obviously, but I think that the, you know, we can't, we can't travel in

01:58:47.860 a space unless we have a spirit, a national spirit and a unity that's strong enough in

01:58:52.360 order to achieve those ends.

01:58:54.080 A Faustian spirit.

01:58:56.040 Ironically, also, also it would be like the hyper conservative and hyper libertarian types

01:59:02.360 who would actually be inclined, like nobody, no Democrat voter would ever be part of this

01:59:08.480 because space is the most case selected harsh environment.

01:59:12.520 You have to have that, that rugged frontiersman spirit times 10 and pretty much be an Olympic

01:59:20.060 athlete.

01:59:20.560 If you want to survive in space, it ain't going to be anyone who ever voted for Democrats.

01:59:27.240 Yeah, exactly.

01:59:29.660 We're going to have space preach preachers preaching the gospel to space.

01:59:33.500 You know, you reminded me of something else that anonymous conservative wrote.

01:59:36.420 If we ever meet an alien and they, you know, you know what the cross ultimately is, it's 0.98

01:59:43.560 a torture device.

01:59:44.960 It's a torture.

01:59:45.580 It's a device of suffering.

01:59:47.020 So if we ever meet an alien race and their religious symbol is like a rack or an electric 0.99

01:59:52.880 chair or some other horrifying device of extreme suffering, we should try to make peace with

01:59:59.420 them immediately because they're probably good people.

02:00:01.860 So that's true.

02:00:04.080 Yeah.

02:00:04.380 And another thing is, um, the three of us all have something in common that if Nat or

02:00:08.820 Grave were here, they, they wouldn't necessarily, we're all the children of pioneers.

02:00:14.020 Yeah.

02:00:14.460 People who left their homelands in it to explore.

02:00:17.940 Probably some of them weren't voluntarily.

02:00:20.500 Right.

02:00:20.900 Yeah.

02:00:21.260 Probably some of them weren't the best, but no, and it's true.

02:00:25.560 Um, yeah, um, my, uh, my family came to this continent with Samuel de Champlain 400 years

02:00:31.520 ago, you know, and, uh, on one side and, and that's the, that's the thing, right?

02:00:35.940 Is the, this, there is a different spirit in North America and the way we operate is different.

02:00:40.880 And I mean, maybe that is why, um, the burgers went to the moon first, although I'm certain

02:00:44.700 that Germany would have gone if the burgers had not.

02:00:47.580 Some people say that they had, and you know, anyway, that there's a lot of good esoteric questions

02:00:51.940 to talk about with space.

02:00:53.020 But yeah, I mean, I think that what we have to understand is that, I mean, you know, the

02:00:56.900 heavens space is a symbol of our own spiritual ascension, you know, and so we can only ascend

02:01:04.100 into the heavens, uh, you know, if we ourselves have become spiritually ascendant, you know,

02:01:09.340 and that doesn't happen through hubris and will to power that happens through the cultivation

02:01:13.200 of virtue in a, uh, a relationship of humility with the logos.

02:01:17.740 I do think will to power is part of it as well.

02:01:20.700 Well, the desire to achieve greatness, you know, it's like power, it's, it's, it's power

02:01:27.160 and direction.

02:01:29.800 Yeah.

02:01:30.380 And you, you did remind me of how much I regret missing the transhumanism episode.

02:01:35.060 Oh, great episode.

02:01:36.000 Great episode.

02:01:36.840 Really enjoyed that one.

02:01:38.420 But yeah.

02:01:38.820 And here's the thing.

02:01:39.460 It comes back to power and direction, right?

02:01:41.740 I mean, there are some people who say that, you know, um, elements of the deep state are

02:01:45.660 already in space, that there are secret military space programs.

02:01:48.160 And I don't doubt it.

02:01:48.940 I mean, we know that they were doing all sorts of militarization of space in the seventies,

02:01:52.480 Star Wars program and so on.

02:01:54.820 Um, but the, the question is, you know, for what, right?

02:02:00.420 You know, what gets on Mars, exactly. 0.99

02:02:02.440 But faggots on Mars, right. 1.00

02:02:03.880 To better, to better, you know, uh, enforce the demands of the synagogue of Satan. 1.00

02:02:08.900 Agreeing with liberals for the wrong reasons.

02:02:10.800 I, you know what? 1.00

02:02:11.540 I really would not mind putting faggots and niggers and you know what? 1.00

02:02:15.500 Yes. 1.00

02:02:15.780 Let's deplete the entire earth. 0.97

02:02:17.600 I don't care. 0.99

02:02:18.140 And only white people will be here. 0.67

02:02:20.020 That's great.

02:02:21.840 That's not bad. 1.00

02:02:23.380 Actually, let's go ahead and put all the faggots and niggers on Mars. 1.00

02:02:26.900 I'm fine with that. 1.00

02:02:29.740 Cause look, it's like, it was something Anglin pointed out.

02:02:34.020 Um, I know it wasn't Anglin.

02:02:35.780 It was the, it was the meme factory or what do they call it?

02:02:38.460 Meme machine on the daily storm reforms.

02:02:41.540 Uh, someone pointed out Iceland versus Haiti. 0.99

02:02:44.440 Iceland is a fucking barren wasteland with only 1% of its soil arable. 0.99

02:02:49.140 They have to live on seafood. 1.00

02:02:51.400 Like literally Icelandic people live on seaweed and fish for 90% of their diet.

02:02:57.160 Um, most of the land is uninhabitable because it's, it's volcanic and frozen.

02:03:02.080 And yet look what the Icelandic people did.

02:03:06.660 They, they made a, they actually made a really nice place, even if it is colder than hell.

02:03:12.600 Well, I guess colder in the ninth layer.

02:03:15.060 We're talking down.

02:03:15.980 Anyways, I'm going into it, but it's not a, Iceland is just a terrible, terrible place to

02:03:22.300 try to, same with Greenland.

02:03:23.440 They're both terrible places to try to make civilization.

02:03:26.060 And yet these, these, you know, Norwegian colonizers, they made actually a pretty decent place with

02:03:33.120 good education and healthcare.

02:03:35.180 Meanwhile, let's compare Haiti.

02:03:36.820 All the white people got genocided out of Haiti and all that was, and then, then the 0.98

02:03:41.760 mulattoes got slaughtered too. 1.00

02:03:43.320 So, so it's just pure African phenotype in, in that bitch. 1.00

02:03:48.480 And, uh, well, Haiti was like considered a breadbasket colony of the French, French empire. 0.98

02:03:54.160 Uh, it, the sugar cane was a cash crop.

02:03:57.720 Basically they had, they had, and not only that, they had infrastructure and all that prebuilt.

02:04:02.860 Well, and you can compare the, the standards of living in both.

02:04:08.740 Right.

02:04:09.780 Yeah.

02:04:11.100 Yeah.

02:04:11.540 Yeah.

02:04:11.580 So, I mean, basically just to say on the, uh, on the space thing, we'll come back to

02:04:18.260 that.

02:04:18.780 We'll talk about, we'll have a whole episode about space.

02:04:20.960 Maybe, you know what, maybe we'll bring in, uh, Johnny Monoxide or the Paranormies and

02:04:24.840 we'll talk about space.

02:04:26.280 Now we'll have a space and it will be shitposting, esoteric shitposting, and we'll talk about

02:04:30.640 everything that, uh.

02:04:32.140 Yeah, I can maybe, I can maybe make a few points.

02:04:34.740 If I'm on it, I'll make a few points I really wanted to make in the transhumanism episode

02:04:38.960 too.

02:04:39.460 Yeah, so, expect it coming up.

02:04:43.280 Maybe that's what we'll do, uh, we'll do for next week.

02:04:46.420 We'll see.

02:04:47.540 All right.

02:04:48.140 So, next story.

02:04:49.860 Got to leave you in the news.

02:04:50.920 We've got, uh, two stories which are basically one story.

02:04:54.080 So, um, Doc, you want to cover those or do you want me to read them?

02:04:58.560 Uh, you go ahead.

02:05:01.120 I'm, I'm a little distracted.

02:05:02.660 Gotcha.

02:05:03.560 So, these are from RT.

02:05:05.140 Right-wing protesters try to raid German justice ministry over hate speech bill.

02:05:10.380 Members of a German right-wing movement took a 10-meter-long ladder and tried to climb onto

02:05:14.480 the roof of the justice ministry in Berlin on Friday, also throwing pyrotechnics in protest

02:05:20.160 over a proposed law designed to fight hate speech on social media.

02:05:24.540 Chaos erupted when a van rushed through Mohren Street, where the ministry is located, narrowly

02:05:29.760 missing a policeman.

02:05:30.980 German daily Die Welt reported.

02:05:33.280 Moments later, a group of 50 activists from the Identitarian movement, Identitarian Bewingung,

02:05:38.580 gathered in front of the building, chanting,

02:05:40.700 Maas, Minister of Justice, Heiko Maas, should go,

02:05:44.580 and Fortress Europe, close the borders.

02:05:46.740 Wow.

02:05:47.720 I held victory to that.

02:05:48.700 But, uh, this is a very interesting story for two reasons.

02:05:51.920 Number one, God bless those guys, you know, God bless you and your struggle.

02:05:56.180 Obviously, this is a sign that things in Germany are heating up.

02:05:58.980 And people might have noticed that on the alt-right, there's a distinct lack of German presence

02:06:03.140 because the social media is so censored in that country.

02:06:05.640 And so we have to understand that in any country that has that kind of deep state apparatus

02:06:10.240 as Germany has, which is the original kind of template for the Zog occupation, right? 0.99

02:06:16.340 Um, that's where we're going to go with total cultural censorship of the Internet, which,

02:06:21.960 unfortunately, the Internet is a double-edged sword.

02:06:23.760 It proliferates degeneracy, but it also proliferates insurgency to that degeneracy.

02:06:27.800 So that's the, once again, proving the principle of power, potentes, and usage.

02:06:32.760 Yeah, and they're trying to make sure that the Internet is only ever used to amplify degeneracy.

02:06:38.700 Exactly.

02:06:39.340 Exactly.

02:06:39.780 That's what they're going to want.

02:06:40.600 Think about it, right?

02:06:41.620 You know, they're probably not going to ban the porn, right?

02:06:44.280 But they're going to ban Daily Stormer.

02:06:46.460 You know, or, uh, Ruse Journal, or Radio Arian, or whatever, right?

02:06:51.480 So anyway, so this is, there's this issue here.

02:06:54.020 But it's, things are getting spicy in Germany, boys.

02:06:55.940 And I think that we all know how this is, when it's going to end.

02:06:58.720 Um, if the tensions are not quelled in Germany, it will explode.

02:07:03.940 Uh, because there's no way, I just, uh, if you, if you bottle people up like that, right?

02:07:09.980 As soon as, as soon as the system, uh, not even the system, but there's a matter of, you know, agitation and response.

02:07:16.380 And so the Western world is, uh, remains pacified by the palliative, palliative care of bread and circuses.

02:07:25.180 What's going on is in Germany, the quality of light is dropping so sharply because of the economic malaise created by the Syrius financial system and the importation of all of these migrants. 1.00

02:07:35.660 And the physical rape and murder of the nation at the hands of the invaders, that the immune system naturally creates antibodies in response. 0.88

02:07:47.620 And so I think, I think that man's, that the spirit, the spirit of man is fundamentally indomitable.

02:07:54.040 And I think that God will always raise a remnant, uh, you know, up out of, uh, the nation to, to attack when things are this dire. 0.98

02:08:01.200 They're, they're doing something really stupid. 0.95

02:08:02.800 They're making the cost for staying silent, for not doing anything, approach the cost of doing something. 1.00

02:08:10.360 There's a joke. 0.60

02:08:11.680 It's kind of a dumb joke, but, um, it's like, are you ready for the, is it time for the apocalypse? 0.94

02:08:16.700 Here's how you find out. 0.97

02:08:17.800 Grab your rifle and run outside.

02:08:19.180 If you're the only one, it's not time yet.

02:08:21.200 But that's just not true.

02:08:23.120 Everyone's waiting for everybody else to go outside with their rifles and nobody wants to be the first one because the punishment for being the first one or the first 10 or the first hundred,

02:08:31.820 or possibly even the first thousand is very severe.

02:08:35.660 The, what Germany's doing is they're making the punishment for not doing it almost as severe.

02:08:41.740 Exactly.

02:08:43.220 That's exactly what they're doing.

02:08:45.180 You know, you reminded me of something else too.

02:08:47.220 Like in Germany, if you try to homeschool your kids, you'll have a SWAT team kick your door down, point guns at you and threaten to shoot. 1.00

02:08:54.120 But, you know, it's okay if you're a fucking Muslim piece of shit and you molest them. 1.00

02:09:00.440 Yeah. 1.00

02:09:01.200 Well, that's the anarcho-tyranny, right?

02:09:04.580 And so there's this.

02:09:06.060 The French identitarians did a similar maneuver in France where they occupied a party headquarters.

02:09:11.780 I saw that in the propaganda video.

02:09:13.860 Very nice.

02:09:14.720 Very dank.

02:09:15.340 Go check it out.

02:09:15.940 Um, so this is also, I wanted to pair this article with one I have from the Daily Stormer, which is,

02:09:25.860 Dutch court convicts 20 people for a bad think and wrong post.

02:09:29.560 From the author Spartacus, the thing about free speech is that it's not free speech if it causes hurt feels.

02:09:36.240 When are evil Nazis going to realize this?

02:09:38.440 From the Associated Press, a Dutch court convicted 20 people Thursday of insulting and threatening a politician and television personality in a racially charged case that shocked the nation.

02:09:47.880 One person was acquitted.

02:09:49.780 Um, and it basically is what they did.

02:09:52.360 The court said in a statement that the heaviest sentence, 80 hours of community service, went to a man who superimposed the head of Simons,

02:09:58.740 this, this, uh, Negro member of parliament athlete who advocates for Dutch, uh, for mass immigration is a woman on videos, on image, video images of a Klu Klux Klan lynching. 0.88

02:10:11.920 Others were given shorter work orders or fines.

02:10:15.380 Many people saw the video and were confronted with discriminatory images of people with dark skin, the court said.

02:10:21.620 Yeah, so that's basically, uh, this is basically what's going on in the Netherlands, is when you post, uh, mean pictures, mean pictures get you, uh, community service.

02:10:35.020 Remember, remember, mean words are just as bad as violence, but when, when the, when Arab Muslims go and blow things up, it's because white men said mean words, 1.00

02:10:46.700 and that's why you shouldn't say mean words and just, just convert to Islam and chop your son's dick off already. 0.99

02:10:53.300 But, I mean, also prima facie, like, it's a totally legitimate comparison. 0.99

02:10:57.400 Um, because, you know, these, like, if you're, if you're a politician, you know, if you're a foreigner politician injured in the Netherlands advocating mass immigration to the Netherlands under the auspices, 0.57

02:11:07.640 like, under the pretensions of being a good Dutch citizen, you're a traitor. 0.51

02:11:11.660 That's point blank, right? 0.98

02:11:12.920 Right, and so, um, you know, you're an enemy combatant, and so, you know, you, you, you have done things worthy of hanging. 0.90

02:11:20.760 The penalty for treason is death.

02:11:23.020 And so the, like, it's not a question, because think about how many rapes, how many murders this sort of advocacy facilitates.

02:11:30.660 Uh, and so the, it's a totally just, just comparison.

02:11:35.540 Um, as far as the mean goes.

02:11:37.580 But that's what, you know, speaking the truth gets you.

02:11:41.760 All right, gentlemen.

02:11:42.920 Any more comments?

02:11:47.880 Okay.

02:11:48.820 So we've come to the end of our episode for today.

02:11:51.960 Thank you, listeners, for joining us.

02:11:54.240 I'm your host, Florian Geyer.

02:11:56.580 It's always a pleasure.

02:11:58.360 Joining me this week on the Mystery School panel, I had Freelance Autist, who, unfortunately, he had to go.

02:12:05.380 I also had Rude for Thought.

02:12:07.160 Rude, thanks for joining us. 0.74

02:12:08.280 Your insight is always appreciated.

02:12:10.060 What's good? Thanks for having me.

02:12:11.940 Doc, same to you, bud.

02:12:13.400 Always good to have you on.

02:12:14.920 Certainly, we're going to have to come on, so you didn't have a more casual episode.

02:12:18.900 Oh, definitely, though.

02:12:19.760 It seems like a lot of fun.

02:12:21.760 Yeah, it's going to be great.

02:12:22.760 It's going to be great.

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02:13:09.420 Spieß voran, drauf und ran, setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Arm.

02:13:21.520 Uns führt der Florian Geier an, trotz Acht und Bann.

02:13:29.760 Den Mundschuh führt er in der Fahrt, hat Helm und Arnisch an.

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02:14:12.820 Geschlagen ziehen wir nach Haus.

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