In this episode, Mooji Satsang and I discuss the Christian conception of law and the role of order in the modern world, and the relationship between the two and our Lord Jesus Christ. We also discuss the role that reason plays in our understanding of the order of the universe and how it relates to human existence.
00:04:00.560So, before I mean we can discuss law, I think we must discuss order.
00:04:06.400So, the order or logos is the presupposition behind any law to begin with.
00:04:14.900The very fact that the words that we use to communicate with one another are intelligible and that the patterns are recognizable over time and that they decode in our brains to have different meaning.
00:04:27.480This is all a prerequisite before we can talk about the verbal expression of behavior and how we ought to encode that in our country's legal systems.
00:04:39.160So, this is a subject where I know you have a subject where I know you have a real depth of knowledge and study, Father.
00:04:45.260So, this order or this order or this order, this order or this logos, of course, is at the heart of the Christian worldview.
00:04:51.000And so, can you explain to us, what is the Christian conception of law and how does it come out of order and what's the relationship between the two and our Lord Jesus Christ?
00:05:02.940Well, the simplest way to put it is that every object that exists, every natural object that exists, has an end, has a built-in purpose.
00:05:11.920These aren't random things that have just fallen from the sky.
00:05:17.360And those behaviors that facilitate the object reaching its end or purpose are virtues.
00:05:26.280And although it's strange to say, we would say that for the natural order as well as just regular human behavior.
00:05:33.540Now, the modern world being based on this random interaction of meaningless objects,
00:05:40.220you know, Thomas Hobbes' atoms is clashing and Newton's atoms clashing with no real purpose, that's gone.
00:05:49.520There is no particular purpose for human beings.
00:05:51.720There is no purpose for anything unless we actually create something.
00:05:55.600You know, we talk about our artifacts in that case, an air conditioner, an airplane.
00:05:59.060But we're talking about natural objects, people and cats and trees and ecosystems.
00:06:42.700They didn't have any subjectivity at all.
00:06:45.120Their purpose was as the capitalist system demanded they be.
00:06:47.880So, it was music to their ears to have a theory like Darwinism, like Hobbesianism, although Hobbes, of course, before the Industrial Revolution.
00:06:56.460But Hobbes was necessary for the Industrial Revolution.
00:06:59.300You can't have industry, you can't have the modern world without rejecting the notion that everything has a purpose.
00:07:04.800You know, it's not an accident that Isaac Newton was a big supporter of William of Orange.
00:07:14.680And the connection is that William of Orange had no right to the throne.
00:07:19.580But when you view a universe that's just based on power, that's just based on action and reaction, what difference does it make?
00:08:14.160And I think that you've touched off on a critical point, that the capacity which differentiates us, humans, from animals, is our mind.
00:08:24.400That we can see these universal principles that are inherent everywhere around us.
00:08:29.420And based on study of this, we can have wisdom about the function and the order of the universe.
00:08:34.200And, you know, this gives us power, in a sense, over it, how all technology is predicated upon this ability.
00:08:43.680And so, it seems, you know, I just said at a very, very direct level, that this capability to understand reason, to govern ourselves rationally, is what, sort of part of the essence of being made in the image and likeness of God.
00:09:01.000That we have this faculty from Christ himself, who is the order upon which everything is referencing.
00:09:10.900Well, you can see the evil of Thomas Hobbes.
00:09:12.860You can see that if you start positing a world of this random interaction, then anything goes.
00:09:20.020The Leviathan comes into existence because people are exhausted, constantly fighting.
00:09:25.300They simply give up and give up this non-existent freedom to this entity.
00:09:31.860You know, he was not a royalist by any stretch of the imagination.
00:10:43.400Our incarceration rates, our recidivism rates are horrible.
00:10:46.960And this is the, it's a good way of looking at how flawed our current approach to law is, in the sense that we can't even fulfill the basic premises and pretexts of our concept of law.
00:11:04.420I've been, for my job, I actually do research for different companies on institutions.
00:11:10.320And prison is one that comes up all the time.
00:11:12.920And overwhelmingly, you know, prisoners sit around all day and do nothing.
00:11:17.800It's not like, you know, they have jobs, you know, like in the private prison system.
00:11:22.000In the county jails, they stare at the wall.
00:11:24.800So, in other words, the modern criminal justice system, the best they can do, not, you know, not paying restitution, not community service.
00:11:33.540No, you sit in a room and you can't leave.
00:11:53.540Well, it's about comfort politics, as my friend Nat Dainlaw would say, that the state, as things begin to generate more and more, all of the policies will be based on maintaining that bottom line of comfort necessary for social control.
00:12:06.420So, this is, in a sense, the purpose of the prison.
00:12:09.840It's, in a sense, it's above all else to ensure and foster a feeling of comfortability, of safety, and remove the worst elements that disrupt this order.
00:12:21.220Although, it's not even very good at that, as we can see increasingly.
00:12:24.840The only justification for a prison system is for people so violent that there is no way they can be trusted unless they're behind bars.
00:12:33.540But that is a tiny minority of people in prison.
00:12:36.080Prison is just a place to throw someone.
00:12:38.780You know, the concept of a prison system is a very new idea.
00:12:42.740No society up until the modern era had any such thing.
00:12:44.760It was always restitution, or you worked for the person, or you did something to make, to reset the balance.
00:12:52.840But most of the people in jail right now are just, you know, they're nonviolent offenders.
00:12:56.820It's just comfort politics in the sense that they get to tell the population, we're taking care of you, we're keeping you safe, by throwing an embezzler in prison.
00:13:04.760Not, you know, having given the money back, I mean, or, you know, some community service or something like that, but having, just sitting in a room.
00:13:13.060And I can't get over it, just how ridiculous it is.
00:13:17.580The very origin of the English concept of jail was a place for people who were working off their debt to the victim of the crime under the common law system of repayment.
00:13:35.400You know, you had to keep an eye on them to make sure they didn't run away.
00:13:37.880So you kept them in the jail overnight, and then they went back to their job the next day.
00:13:43.060And most of the people are short-termers.
00:13:46.500You know, I'm talking about a county jail, state prisons.
00:13:49.120You know, we're talking about five years, ten years.
00:13:51.160That one, long-term prisoners, they get to do other things.
00:13:53.840They actually can take classes and things like that.
00:13:55.640But the overwhelming majority of people in jail are nonviolent, and they're not doing anything.
00:14:00.900So for someone like Bernie Madoff, for example, you know, they could have simply forced him to, you know, become a financial advisor to poor people, to give his money away.
00:14:11.720There's a million things you could have a guy like that do other than have him sit in a country club.
00:14:16.260Well, before we get too far into this, I want to back it up and continue to dive into a little bit the subjects of epistemology that we were discussing earlier.
00:14:28.260For those of our listeners who are not familiar with inductive logic, which is the basic principle of reasoning, which relies upon the consistency of patterns in the world over time,
00:14:41.620this is perhaps the best example of why this order, this logos, which is beyond man's perception, sort of a grand hierarchical design for the universe,
00:14:56.220is necessary to presuppose, to even begin to discuss any sort of application of criminal law.
00:15:01.840So the example that I've grouped on here is every raven in a sample of, a random sample of 3,200 ravens is black.
00:15:09.400This strongly supports the hypothesis that all ravens are black.
00:15:14.080Now, the statement assumes that the blackness of ravens does not change over time.
00:15:20.900It assumes that the shape of ravens does not change over time.
00:15:26.280That there is a consistency to the physical laws of the world that we can recognize ravens, we can discern their colors,
00:15:32.620when we look at these individuals over time and then connect it back with what we've previously observed.
00:15:37.600And so this is what we mean, what we talk about on the show a lot, logos, or order.
00:15:43.480This fundamental quality to the universe of intelligibility, which is necessary at its basic level to even have a discussion without making ourselves look like fools.
00:15:54.040Now, the law is supposed to be the instantiation of this principle in our personal and social and national lives.
00:16:06.940That it is this order which gives rise to harmony, which allows all parts of existence to fulfill their natural end with minimum conflict and friction.
00:16:16.840Now, this is where we're going to get right back into the thick of things, is that the traditional world had this view fairly unanimously.
00:16:26.720There was a good understanding or grip of natural law and the common good as basic hallmarks of the state, basic ends of the state.
00:16:35.280But as you say, Father, in the modern world, this view has been totally done away with and replaced with nominalism.
00:16:43.740So I would hand it over to you just to kind of continue to discuss, because I know nominalism, of course, is the great area of your critique.
00:16:52.840Yeah, it's been, for the last ten years, it's been my overwhelming obsession.
00:16:56.680And it irritates me. It took me so long to finally get to the ground of everything.
00:17:01.160Okay. Nomalism is the late medieval theory that universal objects don't exist.
00:17:09.380The only thing that exists are individuals.
00:17:13.100Well, the problem there is that individuals are made up of parts.
00:17:18.220So really what they mean is the only thing that exists are words, hence the name nominalism.
00:17:39.460And I think the reason it exists is to justify and to act as a precursor to the Industrial Revolution, the omni-state, mass armies, world wars.
00:17:50.900Without nominalism, these things can't exist.
00:18:03.960Where the Church Fathers, you know, have this as a fundamental assumption through all their work.
00:18:09.160No one has brought that out as their main foundation, but it's true.
00:18:12.720And nominalism finds its root, at least in our civilization, with William of Occombe in very late, Franciscan, very late medieval England.
00:18:26.480And part of his motivation was that there is no ground for our obedience to God's law.
00:18:33.820It's a law because he's God, and he's powerful, so you have to listen to him.
00:18:39.480There is no ontological connection between man and God.
00:18:43.440You see this in the Orthodox world with John Roman Didis, a heretic Greek priest who died a few years ago.
00:18:49.200And taking aim at him, that's where the name worshippers came from, making war on that idea that there is a deep connection.
00:19:00.060The very fact that God became man and has two natures within him and Christ shows that there is a deep ontological connection between God and man.
00:19:08.360So nominalism, from a theological point of view, means that there is no connection between things that are divine and things that are human.
00:19:15.620And you listen to God because he's God, and he'll punish you.
00:19:22.540And so it is a, you know, as you say, it's a devolution to this sort of, you know, titanic will-to-power morality, as we've discussed many times before on the show.
00:19:32.380Because all that matters is the power behind the imposition of a particular set of moral, physical, scientific framework, anything.
00:19:42.960As long as somebody has enough money or power or influence, any set of information paradigm can be sold as completely correct.
00:19:50.060And this is the nature of these sort of controlled dialectics is that if you have, if you're able to define the frame that an individual or society thinks in, then any opposition, so long as it's within those borders, is perfectly acceptable to your purposes.
00:20:07.020Well, if you're the victim, if you actually believe this stuff, and you're driven out of business by a very powerful corporate chain, and you believe, you know, for example, that everyone has the right to pursue their own interests.
00:20:21.060Well, all that's happened there is that you both pursued your individual private interests, and you lost.
00:20:26.840So what grounds, upon what grounds can you complain?
00:20:33.100You know, it's a false universal in the sense that it's very different, you know, if you hold this view that we're all individuals and we just have to pursue our interests, and that's it.
00:20:43.700Well, when Warren Buffett pursues his interest, it's a heck of a lot different than when I pursue mine.
00:20:50.440It's a fake universal moral principle.
00:20:52.860It gives the wealthy the power to rule everything.
00:20:56.840And when you believe it, as an ordinary person, you have no grounds from which that you can complain or rebel, none whatsoever.
00:21:07.520Yeah, and while we're talking about inductive logic and absolute law and things like that, I think it's good to lay out a basic division between seemingly two at least European forms of law.
00:21:18.720There's common law or English common law, or as Danes, like our friend Nat, would say, Dane law, Danish common law.
00:21:26.220But it's that, and there's civil law or Roman civil law.
00:21:30.960And the main idea is you're supposed to realize these two things should exist in concert.
00:21:36.000A state cannot run itself on continual exceptions.
00:21:42.020And if you ruled your family with civil law, with absolute civil law, you'd be a horrible father.
00:21:49.240You have to be able to make exceptions.
00:21:51.020You have to be able to grant mercy, clemency, and all these things.
00:22:03.580Well, I just want to say that I'm really glad that we've brought up induction as the grounding of our natural view of the universe, of natural order.
00:22:19.920However, it's only from logical axioms that we induce through inductive logic that we're able to carry out deductive logic.
00:22:31.860So right away, if we adopt the sort of modern view of induction as being invalid, that does away with all logic altogether.
00:22:49.120And so the immediate follow-on consequence is, as we have already noted, the elimination of universal objects.
00:22:57.920And if we are deceived when we perceive, through our senses, the existence of universals, that puts into question the existence of anything.
00:24:05.520Number two, it assumes that how you arrange logically those observations has any connection to what's actually out there in reality.
00:24:14.640This connection has no proof in induction.
00:24:19.360Just off the top of your head, there's no, and of course, the third thing is that there's no intrinsic truth to your mind.
00:24:26.840That everything is just a matter of external knowledge.
00:24:29.600So just off the top of my head, there's three huge assumptions that all empiricists, the Locke types, have to make in order for, in order for that to work.
00:24:38.440So it's not an assumptionless concept.
00:24:41.460And yet the modern scientific mentality is based on that assumption.
00:24:44.700But there are no assumptions at all on empiricism.
00:24:46.900Well, and this is the sort of – this is the great irony of our modern academic leaders is that they're – it's like a dog who's on fire and then sniffs the air and turns to his friend and says,
00:24:59.280do you smell smoke and says, yes, it's you, you're on fire, because they make all of these metaphysical claims, but they deny metaphysics at their core.
00:25:08.420And so going right back to induction, it's like, indeed, you can't even begin to make any scientific claim or any claim of existence over time
00:25:19.580without presupposing this super illogical order to the world that we draw upon, this universal order that we draw upon in our own localized way
00:25:28.080in order to make sense of our subjective sense perception.
00:25:36.280I was just going to say – and this is – J. Dyer makes a good point.
00:25:39.280He was just talking about – Aristotle makes a basic transcendental argument with sophists who come and say,
00:25:44.420Aristotle, what if we don't believe in your laws of non-contradiction?
00:25:48.100And Aristotle says, well, the very fact that you've used language to make an argument irrationally against non-contradiction,
00:25:57.640you know, you've disproved yourself already because you can't but use rationality and non-contradiction in order to make an appeal to absurdity.
00:26:07.340Yeah, I love that one because I say the same thing for individualism and egoism.
00:26:11.840You tell a person who's actually making an argument that the individual is all that exists – in terms of social theory, I mean – our self-interest,
00:26:21.260the individual is the core of everything.
00:27:02.780If you begin to think about it, you know, seriously, if you're not absolutely insane just for a couple of moments,
00:27:08.560it becomes plain that there's not any internal consistency to it.
00:27:12.500But that's kind of the power of the propaganda is that they can just repeat the lie over and over and over again.
00:27:19.840And as long as the lie is big enough, people will accept it, especially if there are – there is downstream logical cogency.
00:27:27.480And this is the thing is, you know, you don't need to have every single one of your principles of – this is for the edification of our listeners.
00:27:34.960Obviously, I understand everybody here who knows this.
00:27:37.240You know, you don't need to have multiple logical errors in your argument or your worldview in order for everything to be incorrect.
00:27:46.020You just simply need to make a major error that all of those are predicated upon.
00:27:49.720So, you know, for instance, if somebody is a, you know, a materialist, a hard materialist, you know, their first error is believing that, you know, the empirical – empiricism and the material world is all that exists.
00:28:02.840And so they might be correct about the temperature at which water boils, but the rest of the worldview is going to be absolutely retarded because of this central error.
00:28:13.340Materialism is a universal claim, by the way.
00:28:19.720Well, yeah, I mean, we always come back to the necessity to make universal and metaphysical claims when we're speaking of these things, which it's always enjoyable to tell the thoroughgoing materialist that, well, you just made a metaphysical claim and watch them splutter.
00:28:44.180Well, even when that – go ahead, sorry.
00:28:46.340Well, even when that – in our movement, we find a lot of utilitarians too.
00:28:50.120I've been lectured so many times on we need to do this.
00:29:04.820Because a lot of utilitarian decisions have led us to where we are now.
00:29:07.980A lot of people making short-term win decisions have got us to where we are from.
00:29:13.000And there are people who held a certain amount of things in common with what we agree with, and these people, of course, don't agree with us, and they probably do not hold many things we have in common.
00:29:23.420But they are on the right side of politics, and they don't understand the fact that their inability to grasp the fact that victory in itself is not its own reward has completely led them astray.
00:30:10.680I was just going to know, this is exactly correct.
00:30:13.180And I mean, for a lot of these people, they are de facto materialists.
00:30:16.840And so if you embrace materialism and you're not, you know, an egoist, you know, you realize that biology and society is real, then, of course, you know, your only real end, the only real rational decision would be to advocate for the, you know, propagation and survival of your kin group above everybody else.
00:30:43.160It's just, you know, raw survival against the meaningless flux of the universe where everything is permitted.
00:30:49.760The only thing you have, people who reject universals, ultimately they have nothing but utility, which is, you know, an animal instinct.
00:30:58.240All animals have a sense of utility too.
00:31:00.120If something isn't useful to them, they don't care.
00:31:01.560When you reject meaning in the world, including in yourself and your part of the world, all you really have is words, and words exist because we find some things useful, and so we have to give them a name.
00:31:25.600And it offers us, it totally destroys any conception of the divine, because under this scheme, as you say, words could not even begin to express anything beyond themselves, because they're meaningless.
00:31:38.260And this is, where it always comes back to, is it's just raw absurdity.
00:31:41.440If words are meaningless, there's no internal structure or logic, why do we even discuss to begin with?
00:31:47.280And then we're back in nihilism, if there's nothing to discuss, why do we live?
00:31:51.560We absolutely need a mystery and fascism on language.
00:31:55.000Actually, I was just reading something interesting about the degradation of Latin speech towards the end of Rome, but that's neither here nor there.
00:32:04.180I mean, excuse me, Father, because I know this is a subject of your particular interest.
00:32:10.960Well, I have no particular expertise in the philosophy of language, but I have enough that the name worship controversy and orthodoxy is predicated on this.
00:32:20.100The overwhelming majority of people talking about this concept have no idea what they're talking about.
00:32:27.400This goes to the deepest, highest point of ontology.
00:32:32.260And you have people with no education, you know, bishops and priests who are otherwise good people, but they just don't know what they're talking about.
00:32:37.760And even, you know, I've taken Vladimir Moss to task, and a lot of people to task on this question, that they don't understand what that concept is.
00:32:47.420It's not the worship of a name or the word.
00:34:34.640Right, well, this is, I mean, this concept of knowledge and naming and language, I mean, this goes right back to Genesis where Adam named all of the animals that God had created.
00:34:48.700You know, he had the, you know, when he was clad in the Holy Spirit, he could see with clarity, you know, God's order, the logos in God's creation.
00:35:01.060He didn't name them Tom and Jim and Phil.
00:35:03.820It means that he intuitively knew what they were, their functions, their connection with everybody else, because he knew God's logos manifest in nature.
00:35:32.600My old jurisdiction, the autonomous metropolitan, removed me from this very issue because my old bishop, who's a good man, accused Metropolitan Raphael in Russia of being a believer in the Zohar.
00:35:45.440Because he was a so-called name worshiper.
00:35:49.140I tried to say, that's not what this is.
00:37:08.720And if you are unwilling to countenance a law that is not more than the words that it's printed in, you're going to end up like America, where it's like, oh, we have a constitution.
00:37:19.520Yeah, the constitution means absolutely nothing to no one for the most part, except for a rampant faction of people who wish to deal with it.
00:37:30.500But they don't understand the consequences and the circumstances the constitution was written under, and they refuse to live like that, yet they still claim themselves to be constitutionalists.
00:37:43.020I banged my head on the desk so many times when these people, when the founders of the constitution used words like rights or law, they weren't using these words the same way that we do.
00:37:54.280It's become so debased over time, and yet the constitution is being read.
00:38:00.440It's like people picking up the Bible and reading it out of nowhere.
00:38:05.160That's the most presumptuous thing you could possibly do.
00:38:08.840You're just going to impose your own view of the world onto these words that you're reading.
00:38:12.500The words are always changing, and they're getting more and more debased over time.
00:38:16.200Words don't mean the same in English that they meant 100 years ago, let alone 2,500 years ago.
00:38:21.520And it's the same thing with constitutional interpretation.
00:38:23.080That whole vision of the world that existed in the late 18th century is gone completely without knowledge, without knowing what it was based on.
00:38:34.100Unfortunately, American national law is based on common law, which has no ability to work on a national level.
00:38:40.420And all of the rights enshrined in the Bill of Rights are actually duties.
00:38:45.500It wasn't a right to own arms in royal England.
00:38:49.600And if you've ever read Robin Hood and you read about the archery competitions, those were mandated.
00:38:55.700You had to own weapons and practice with them.
00:38:58.420If you were a yeoman, to be part of the king's army, you were required not only to own weapons but to be proficient and to be part of the army.
00:39:06.060The founding fathers viewed that as – again, everything they said, every right was supposed to be coupled with the responsibility.
00:39:12.780And thankfully, they realized they failed.
00:39:15.800They did nothing to stop it when they realized they failed.
00:39:35.600And he was back and forth, anti-federalist, federalist.
00:39:38.900And the reason that I got so deep into the anti-federalist years ago was because there was this huge faction of patriots.
00:39:46.020George Mason and Patrick Henry and Melanchthon Smith and the guys who ran Shays' Rebellion, the Whiskey Rebellion, who refused – who rejected the Constitution.
00:39:58.780Remember, the education of the time, late 18th century, was Greek and Roman.
00:40:05.100That's what these guys were steeped in from the minute they were born.
00:40:09.500So, you know, we're so separated from that whole mentality to just pick up the Bible or to pick up the Constitution or the Federalist Papers, for that matter, is extremely presumptuous.
00:40:19.640You have to know the context in which these words were uttered, and they don't.
00:40:25.580Speaking of nominalism and Hobbesianism, I mean, to read the Federalist Papers is just shocking once you've come to understand these concepts.
00:40:34.700I mean, what they're talking about as regards to their solution to the problem of faction that everyone recognizes is the plague of democracies is to say, okay, we're going to have a whole bunch of factions so that all of these interests will be competing with each other and they'll cancel each other out.
00:40:54.080It's like seeing society as some sort of Brownian motion of atomic elements bouncing into each other.
00:41:40.080And that goes back to the thing where the Federalists, they made this country with common law because they couldn't have predicted the fact that we'd become an empire.
00:41:51.040And common law has been an instrumental tool, although the Jewish clans who have taken over Europe, they took over civil law nations just as easily.
00:42:01.800But they took over America through wantonly interpreting our common law through Kabbalah.
00:42:08.560And common law is quite susceptible to that because it's based off of norms.
00:42:38.500And, I mean, this brings us into the next point is that, I mean, common law presumes a communal Christian worldview and ethic.
00:42:48.560That's the context in which it developed in Western Europe.
00:42:51.500And so without, you know, everybody – without every one of the jurors sort of being of one mind, you know, in conciliarity, et cetera, you know, there's not one standard of common law justice that they can be applied to.
00:43:07.680And this is the thing is that any conception of law requires a conception of ethics and requires, as Father Johnson has pointed out, a metaphysical claim about the end of man and a substantiation that the common good is actually the most desirable outcome for civil society.
00:43:32.160And so, you know, any legal system is going to be framed by definition around its particular conception of justice, which is a transcendental virtue, which means it's necessarily religious.
00:43:51.380Ultimately, every action, every act, every theory of ethics, every legal concept ultimately has to be based on what man's purpose is.
00:44:01.020If you keep asking why, you'll finally end up with, you know, man has a purpose.
00:44:10.240You know, why be happy? Why should we help the poor? Why should we help sick people?
00:44:14.700What difference does it make whether they die or not?
00:44:16.960You know, ultimately, you're going to get down to religious conception. You have no choice.
00:44:19.940Right, exactly. Oh, and this is, I think, the one of the brilliances of the Christian religion is that that metaphysical conception is a person, you know, a flesh and blood man that even, you know, anybody can relate to Christ.
00:44:39.380You know, you don't need a metaphysical, you know, a metaphysical, you know, education to understand a good father or, you know, a man.
00:44:51.800A child doesn't, you know, he doesn't go through this deep, logical, ontological theory that he has to write out on paper to explain why he loves his family.
00:45:00.620He just does. And that's, that's, I think, what you mean.
00:45:07.520Right, and this is, and this is what I wanted to get back to, was that to discuss, you know, the application of law, I don't, I don't think that it's, you know, possible to remove this religious framework and this familial framework from our minds as the presupposition.
00:45:23.580Because this is how our ancestors practiced this law, you know, Roman or Christian or otherwise or both.
00:45:30.960Savage, did you have something you wanted to add?
00:45:34.180A couple of things. First of all, I just wanted to make a note that when we speak of common law, no matter what the context of that common law is,
00:45:43.860what we're really talking about is a form of customary law, an ethnic, tribal, custom-based law.
00:45:54.460And in the Western European context, all of these come from the customs of the Germanic tribes who converted to Christianity.
00:46:02.420And so what we have in common law is a Christianized pagan, in the cultural sense, ethic and ethos of a particular tribe.
00:46:16.920And then also, as far as the importance of justice, I mean, we give a lot of lip service to justice in this country,
00:46:26.380but I don't think very many people will realize what justice is.
00:46:31.120I mean, you know, and the idea that we seem to have, thanks to, well, a certain somebody giving us this idea
00:46:42.400that law can be some sort of machine with a given input, you know, giving a decided output.
00:46:50.620But that's just, that's, that's completely inimical, completely 180 degrees opposite of the entire concept of justice, right?
00:47:00.720That's why you have a judge in the first place, is to someone to say, okay, okay, okay, what happened?
00:49:51.420It is, it implies that there really is no justice.
00:49:54.560There is no state of affairs that's just in and of itself.
00:49:57.320It's just that if we provide the proper procedures, there's a better chance of there to be an outcome that's less horrible than if we didn't.
00:50:08.720That's what it comes down to in, in the Western world.
00:50:12.480Well, yeah, they, they use the specter of the Hatfields and McCoys.
00:50:30.020And, uh, maybe I'm, uh, you know, wrong here, but, uh, to me, if the choice is between a monstrous machine of law applying, you know, one size fits all civil law everywhere,
00:50:48.000or a customary system that occasionally results in, uh, uh, outbursts of, of intercommunal violence, then I have to go with the latter.
00:50:59.280You know, I mean, human nature is, is fundamentally tragic.
00:51:03.940Uh, I will note that, um, the problem in intercommunal violence was why monarchy was seen as the most workable solution, uh, by most, uh, uh, philosophers of politics.
00:51:17.940Uh, right up until the early modern era, because that's what the monarch was, was the man who was above individual communities, uh, not a member of any particular community, but of the whole people.
00:51:33.160And so he, he could be the father who could step in and say, okay, now children, let's, let's, let's calm down.
00:51:39.220Uh, and the implication is that he's more powerful than any of those communities or any combination of those communities.
00:51:48.380Yeah, just so, uh, and, and, or more powerful than any particular great interest and then any particular.
00:51:58.980Not, not, not just communities in the bottom up organic sense, but, you know, any particular, uh, landed aristocrat who might have a,
00:52:06.780uh, uh, uh, an idea in his head about, uh, something that he's owed.
00:52:14.120Unfortunately, we all come from the English tradition.
00:52:16.020So we, we are raised with stories about monarchy being unstable because England was overturned time and time again by landed barons, moneyed interests.
00:52:25.980Um, at one point, some awful human being with, um, the backing of a bunch of unscrupulous bankers behind him who, um, committed regicide and later enslaved Ireland.
00:52:37.660Well, if anyone does any research into what the family law system does to men and does to families, there is no conceivable system.
00:52:47.880There's no conceivable tyranny that could be worse than that.
00:52:50.860I mean, that's really the answer to any of these questions, uh, against, against monarchy or against the traditional form of things.
00:52:59.040Well, because I didn't have a lawyer actually is the reason, but, um, uh, you know, you read horror stories every day and these are true and this happens hundreds of thousands of times a week.
00:53:08.800Uh, so yeah, maybe there's not, uh, a machine gun on every roof, but you have destroyed men and abandoned children on a daily basis.
00:53:17.880Right. Well, I think that's, that's a subject that perhaps, um, um, uh, almost most of our listeners could, uh, relate to the divorce rates being so high as what they are these days.
00:53:31.120I think most people, uh, can, can testify to that reality on a personal level or at the very minimum, no men in their life, uh, in their lives who have been, um, destroyed or greatly wounded by the, uh, injustice of family courts.
00:53:44.620And then there's not a whole lot of ways to complain because they had this procedures offered to them.
00:53:54.000Procedure may have been rigged and everything else, but they had the procedure offered to them.
00:53:57.440Therefore, whatever happens is, that's just how it is.
00:54:04.320So the kind of getting back to, to the, the issue of, um, criminal law and the state, the, we talked a little bit about the king.
00:54:14.620His whole role as being the mediator, being, um, the force, which is able to, um, direct and harmonize and order the competing appendages of the body of the nation into a orderly functioning whole directed rationally by a single head towards one direction or end, which is at the very minimum, the common good.
00:54:40.080And so the whole purpose, uh, reason for a king seems to me, uh, justice itself to enforce the law.
00:54:49.820I believe St. Isidore says that it is to, uh, enforce, uh, to coerce evildoers through the use of fear.
00:54:56.240That sounds correct. I, I don't, I don't happen to, to, um, be able to affirm that exactly, but that sounds right.
00:55:08.160Yeah. That's a common early medieval view. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty sure. Pretty, very correct.
00:55:12.340Also, we have two English phrases to, um, bulwark your theme. It's the king's law and the king's English.
00:55:17.880Right. Precisely. And, and, and the king's peace, which is a concept we've almost entirely lost, but the, the idea that the king is the guarantee, guarantor of peace between, uh, individual members of a community and between communities themselves, uh, is, uh, is, is deeply embedded in the customary law of, uh, of England.
00:55:43.320And, and I would argue almost all Western Europe, traditional Western European states. Uh, and, you know, if, if you were to, you know, imagine yourself in, I don't know, uh, 1500 or so England, and you walked into a tavern and you said, there's a highway man on the king's highway disturbing the king's peace.
00:56:03.380You know, everyone would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would say, uh, essentially what amounts to, oh, hell no, not in our town. And they would write out with you to deal with it because, um, uh, uh, the, the, the, it was the duty of, of every Englishman to, uh, enforce the peace of the king.
00:56:31.600That's what gets to the heart of it. The king, the king was the defender of the commons. The king was the defender of the, the little cracks between everything that it was. He was the defender of everything that actually functioned, everything that people took for granted. He was the, the Lord of the commons and his, his might was the guarantor of everything that was the status quo.
00:56:53.660And his opposition was the aristocratic clans. I don't care where you go in history, in, in Europe, uh, Russia, of course, I know better of all, there was simply, there was simply two options. Either you have a very strong honore or you have oligarchy.
00:57:09.820You know, Ivan the Terrible, um, clamped down hard on the aristocracy because they had private armies. They had their own intelligence. Um, they, they, they were, they were states within states.
00:57:21.960And they had, they didn't have any conception of the common good. They were, they were, you know, they were simply local powers. Uh, he had to, um, create the opportunity and, and the, his own militias, uh, to, to overcome this, this, uh, fractionalization.
00:57:36.960In, in, in Western Russia, you had, uh, the Novgorod oligarchs who were going to convert to Catholicism and go over to Poland to protect their, their property.
00:57:46.180And this is why, uh, Ivan the Third and Ivan the Fourth both invaded the area.
00:57:50.640Oligarchs are, are, are, you know, they have no principles. Monarch, uh, is nothing but principle.
00:57:56.500This has been the feature in European life. Unfortunately, for the last, what, I don't know, 100 years, oligarchy has ruled, um, unchallenged.
00:58:05.940Why do you think that this is the case? Why do we find this dialectic manifesting itself throughout European history?
00:58:15.880Well, you think of, um, Renaissance Florence. Medici bankers became insanely wealthy.
00:58:22.780When they controlled, when they bought, essentially, the Republic, they made certain that the old methods, the old voting, the old, uh, debates and everything else was unchanged.
00:58:35.440This is why Machiavelli wrote what he, wrote what he did. They're not going to go in public and say, we run everything.
00:58:41.860No one would accept that. So the Medici stayed in the background and they acted like puppeteers.
00:58:48.420It's, it's so easy for them to pull the wool over people's eyes, to show the image that everything is still the same, even though, and give the, give the image of debate.
00:58:57.880No one wants to be an outcast. No one wants to be an outlier. Um, and as centuries have gone on, they become better and better at this.
00:59:05.860That's the whole, you know, psychology and sociology there, you know, they know how to manipulate people.
00:59:09.960They know how to get people to think, um, you know, being, being called conspiracy theorists and everything else.
00:59:15.060I mean, this is how power is maintained. Uh, over the years, the oligarchical clans have, have learned, um, uh, how to convince the world that, yeah, these are free elections and, and speech matters and assembly matters.
00:59:27.480And we don't really run everything. We're victims too. And it started, I think with the, uh, Medici's in Florence, they made sure that the old Republican system remained, but they controlled everything.
00:59:38.620Indeed. And the, the problem is also they, the idea of avarice, human avarice, they offer money too cheaply. They offer, and of course, money is just a, a shorthand for wealth.
00:59:49.000And what is wealth? Wealth is food. It is, it is clothing. It is housing. It's all of the, the things in life that are necessary and possibly also things that are good, better food, better wine, this and that.
01:00:03.660And they, they offer these things to people and they offer them without any cost. And the question that prudent people should have asked is, how did you get this?
01:00:11.240Did you, did you raise these cattle? Did you brew this, um, this beer or wine? Did you do this? Did you build these walls? And of course they didn't. How did they get this? Well, through fraud.
01:00:23.720Well, through usury. If you control the money, you know, you're constantly taking a piece of everything that happens. That's, that's what happens when the financial sector controls everything.
01:00:32.580Well, isn't that the thing? That's the, uh, Nathaniel Rothschild quote, I believe.
01:00:36.980I'd like to make a distinction here between what, uh, uh, maybe it's not a, um, a, a, a, a proper distinction, but I, when I say, uh, aristocracy, uh, what I mean by that is, um, a military aristocracy in particular of the old feudal order, uh, that, that was, um, uh,
01:01:06.980martial in nature, that was, uh, chains of military service, uh, from, from, from vassal to lord and from, uh, uh, and in turn all the way up to the king, uh, and, and that this aristocracy was, was just, in fact, a pillar of justice.
01:01:24.180Uh, but, uh, starting in the late medieval era and rapidly accelerating with the renaissance, you saw two things happen, uh, one of which was the rise of what I tend to call the oligarchy proper, which is, um, money power without any martial virtue whatsoever, just power through money directly.
01:01:49.520And also you saw a sort of, um, uh, a process over time whereby families that used to be martially virtuous, that used to be proper aristocrats, uh, became, uh, obsessed, uh, addicted to the, the pleasures that wealth could bring.
01:02:10.140And so slowly essentially corrupted themselves into an oligarchy.
01:02:19.600It's a long drawn out process, but, uh, once it got started, it was very difficult to stop.
01:02:24.240And if I don't think, I, I, I can't think of any examples where it was stopped entirely off the top of my head.
01:02:30.120I just, I just did an Orthodox nationalist podcast on Emperor Paul the first, who was murdered by the oligarchs in 1801.
01:02:36.480His mother, Catherine II and Catherine Gray, had issued the Charter of Nobility, which released the noble class from service, usually military service, but it could also be, um, bureaucratic, things like that.
01:02:50.640That meant that they could hold serfs and have all this wealth with no service to the common good.
01:03:23.740He banned the Masonic Lodge, uh, where these oligarchs had begun to gather.
01:03:27.620Um, he did reverse it for a short period of time.
01:03:32.420He was very popular with the commoners as a result, but due to his alliance with Napoleon, um, the British and the oligarchs, uh, murdered him in 1801.
01:03:42.360Um, and, um, they issued the famous, he was insane, he was crazy nonsense, which only recently has been, um, refuted.
01:03:51.200That's, that's actually a very similar story to what happened earlier in France, where the, uh, the late Anxian regime, the noble class exempted itself from all of its previous martial duties, financial duties, even duties owed to the peasants who lived on their land.
01:04:09.700They just, they, they, they, they usurped, uh, uh, uh, all, all, all customary law unto themselves and set themselves up as essentially petty kings, uh, over their own autonomous little, um, manorial systems.
01:04:26.220Well, the only justification for being able to control serfs is that you yourself was a servant, the monarch, that you also had to serve.
01:04:35.580They didn't have to anymore, and it's not like they started studying Aristotle.
01:04:49.520The only justification for that kind of privilege is that they also had to work and had to do military service, which they were often killed.
01:04:58.360But when you, when you remove that, remove them from service, the balance is completely upset.
01:05:03.060Well, it's the, it's the entire basis of unjust rulership.
01:05:08.440It's leadership without accountability.
01:05:27.960Uh, I still think that there's such a prejudice where people don't realize how much power, you know, corporations, conglomerates have in a political sense.
01:05:34.240That the only tyranny can come from the state.
01:05:38.020And that, that prejudice is, is, is taking a long time to die.
01:09:16.160As we've identified already, the theological principles which underpin your worldview, these are necessary to have clearly in mind before we can talk about what the end of law is.
01:09:40.520So all legal systems are in that sense religious.
01:09:42.440So the question I would ask explicitly is what are these principles of Christian law which we see actually implemented after the conversion of Rome?
01:09:52.340Well, one of the most obvious principles that leaves to mind is that no customary law or in fact even civil law can be justified if it contravenes directly the revealed divine law.
01:10:17.060Right. Well, I suppose that this is the critical denominator is that, yeah, as you say, Christianity has this revealed divine...
01:10:29.060I guess positive is not exactly the right word to use, although for us it can sometimes seem, you know, to our fallen human minds, God's commandments and God's law can seem kind of mysterious and incomprehensible.
01:10:46.060But that's just it. I mean, I was discussing this with somebody the other day, you know, for instance, I talked about it on a podcast and actually inspired somebody to do quite a bit of soul searching.
01:10:56.060It was like the Christian view is that, you know, death is that death is not actually natural to the world, whereas pagan and purely materialist views would say that the opposite, that death is the most natural part of the world, corruption is inherent and so on.
01:11:11.400Well, in the book of Genesis, you know, death came into the world to limit sin. You know, it's why nations came into the world.
01:11:23.680You know, there isn't just one person who can control the entire planet, that his sins become universal, or that a sinner can live, you know, forever and sin infinitely.
01:11:34.080Death came into existence to limit the spread of sin, and that's a punishment for the transgression.
01:11:41.400Yeah, precisely. Precisely. And so I guess I would, I think that for us, I mean, the, when we look at ancient political philosophy, we see that the aim of the state in Plato's Republic is justice.
01:11:59.660And this sort of sets the standard, I would, I would say for every other, every other statesman in that kind of Greco-Roman tradition, that that is the conception of the common good as justice.
01:12:14.360And we can see this, and we can see this, of course, you know, specifically appropriated by Thomas Aquinas and so on.
01:12:22.900But I would, I would ask the question, you know, what is Christian justice?
01:12:29.660I know that, I think Thomas Aquinas defines it as everybody having what is owed to them.
01:12:34.860That's, that's, that's a workable definition. I've certainly used it myself.
01:12:42.660I would go farther and say justice is, is fundamentally linked at the hip with order.
01:12:53.600And so you can't have justice. You can't have everyone receiving that which they are owed without every, everyone also having their place and being in it, knowing your place and being there, I think has to be part of it.
01:13:10.700Yeah, you can't, this is, I was just going to say that it's basic functionalism for any society, I don't even care, primitive societies, you can't do everything.
01:13:20.160You can't make shoes and build houses. You know, there, there has to be a division of labor and that these crafts, which really the forms are based on, these crafts exist in every society.
01:13:32.560And, uh, they have their own internal rules of excellence and their own hierarchies and politics is arranging them in such a way that they're, that they're rationally put together.
01:13:44.900And it's why Plato says, at least in the early dialogues, um, justice is everyone minding their own business.
01:13:51.360And this is something that's tortured me my whole life.
01:13:54.320You know, people who, people who read a pamphlet on, on, on, on Russia starting to lecture me on it, you know, um, just stay in your own area.
01:14:01.380What is it that you do well? What can you, what's your vocation, in other words?
01:14:24.620And functions are all equal, one to another.
01:14:27.720Uh, you know, just like the human body.
01:14:29.480Uh, lung is, is no less important than, than my kneecap, you know?
01:14:35.320Uh, so, uh, how these are arranged, the very definition of politics, and that everyone does what they're supposed to do within that, for the sake of the common good, is the ultimate purpose, you know, secular purpose of the policy.
01:14:46.860And the, the result should be justice.
01:14:52.700You know, that meaning of, that use of, of the word politics is very foreign, I think, to the modern mind.
01:14:59.860Uh, it's, it's, uh, to, to the modern mind, politics is this sort of adjudication between competing interest groups.
01:15:07.820And that's not at all what these early jurists, these early philosophers were talking about at, at all.
01:15:13.500It, just as you say, it's, um, it's, it's, uh, uh, right order according to right reason.
01:15:19.840That was James Madison's view of, uh, politics, is proper adjudication.
01:15:26.480Um, when everything, you know, in modern America, every aspect of human life is subject to regulation and therefore is political.
01:15:34.560And that's the very definition of totalitarianism, where everything, including what goes on in the bedroom, you know, the feminists want, uh, cameras installed to make sure that there's no, no rape or no beatings of women in the bedroom.
01:15:55.180And with the, the idea of specialization, like what, let's say you have seven sons and or daughters and they or their husbands become, one becomes a doctor, one becomes a lawyer.
01:16:04.560One becomes a, um, a roofer, one becomes a butcher, one becomes this.
01:16:09.960And that used to be the way families did it.
01:16:37.500There's only two places where to each according their needs from everyone according to their abilities, uh, works in a way that, that isn't unjust.
01:16:48.200And those two places are, of course, the family.
01:16:52.860Right, and the, the, the thing is the absolute objectivist, the Ayn Rand style person says that your, your sibling should charge you for, for medical advice and you should charge them for, um, for making them clothing.
01:17:07.400Right, you know, and they make the argument, well, you know, if you really love them, this would secure the lowest market value possible for the, the good or service, which is really in their long-term interest.
01:17:20.220But yeah, I mean, going back to this conception, well, for me, the thing that, that Jum said is the ancient state or the, is conceived of as a body, as an organism.
01:17:31.480You know, as, as, as this, this, uh, integrated, cohesive, uh, whole, which needed to be sustained and fed just like any other organism, which was specialized but operated in cooperation with one another.
01:17:47.360And in this, if we think about, uh, corporatism, of course, the word, you know, uh, corporate comes from, uh, corpus, body, you know, describing the very same phenomenon.
01:17:57.880And so Mosley, Oswald Mosley, uh, in his 100 questions asked and answered about fascism, kind of lays out the system of social corporatism that he envisions for England.
01:18:09.460And it essentially is, as you described, Dr. Johnson, a system of class rule, whereby the majority of internal regulation is performed by occupational, uh, corporations, essentially, um, you know, councils, soboros.
01:18:24.700And the, the, the upper house is composed of the sort of, uh, elected representative of each of these specialized, um, arms or classes of society.
01:19:00.420But he was the first one in modern life to, to, uh, lay that out as a principle of politics.
01:19:05.940Nothing sets my teeth on edge more than one of these yahoos on the internet who thinks they're so edumacated that use the word corporatism to refer to rule by multinational joint stock corporations.
01:19:51.020And it's, um, it's unfortunate because this is, you know, the, the, the level of general, of the general population in regard to politics is about the level of high school students.
01:20:01.060You know, that's, that's, that's as deep as they get into it, frankly.
01:20:04.220Well, and then that, that's just more of an argument that, you know, we shouldn't expect anything more than that because they have other jobs.
01:20:11.640They have other areas that actually aren't eligible.
01:20:14.440For, um, you know, I actually have a, go on, please.
01:20:18.260Uh, well, uh, I was just going to say that that's the, ultimately, like, the, the, the fundamental issue with this idea of, uh, uh, uh, uh, participatory citizen-based republic in the vision of the founders.
01:20:35.600Is that it relied on a highly educated, highly, um, cultivated, um, elite class who were interested directly in the affairs of state, uh, being privileged to, to then, to, to run the state.
01:20:57.380Yeah, if I wasn't clear enough in my, my illustration before, the, the thing is, your family, if you, people, natural people, non-Randians, wouldn't protest against your family specializing to defend your family's own interests and branch out.
01:21:13.620What happens when it's your extended family to town, this and that?
01:21:15.940And actually, when, with doctors and lawyers, we can see that the state took such an interest in them.
01:21:19.960Doctors and lawyers were civic positions, and this is why they always had prestige, but not that much money.
01:21:26.120It's only once both positions became sort of, um, popular among the, the, um, Hebraic invasion class that they became profitable.
01:21:36.360Lawyers never made that much money, neither doctors prior to the, the invasion of the Hebraic class.
01:21:41.920And in most of the world, they are not wealthy people like they are in America.
01:21:46.360Well, and money was never that important prior to this, this, this enthronement of usury in our societies.
01:21:54.560Uh, Europe was not a monetary economy until quite late, historically speaking.
01:22:01.760You know, most, most neighborhood interactions would be barter, essentially, or, or, or, or, or more, more likely than even barter, trade of favors, a sort of honor economy, a gift economy.
01:22:15.560And you can't do that unless you have, uh, firm bonds among people, uh, a common language in the broad sense of the term, a common religion, a common everything.
01:22:25.720You can't do that in, in, in a multicultural, uh, sewer.
01:22:28.200That kind of thing can only happen in, in, in a national, uh, that's why Hegel was a nationalist.
01:22:33.640It had to be, you know, that's where the culture kampf was in, in Prussia.
01:22:36.900The concept was, without that kind of unity, without that kind of moral unity, you can't really have a functional nation.
01:22:42.540That these functional groups, these corporate groups, um, really couldn't, uh, function at all unless you had a, a firmly entrenched, uh, singular national ethos that they all, uh, followed.
01:22:57.200But without that, nothing, no, no political system is going to work.
01:23:02.240Yeah, that's one of the reasons why doctors and leadership are held in such high esteem, because you knew you would need them someday.
01:23:08.180And that was the entire, it was the basis of all society operated on their, their beck and call.
01:23:14.220Although it, that was the, that was why it was a civic position.
01:23:43.460You went to them when everything else failed.
01:23:45.980You went to them when the state failed you.
01:23:49.720Well, and this is, um, there's a very, very interesting, um, lecture by, um, William S. Lind on the podcast Rebel Yell.
01:23:57.040Where he talks about fourth generation warfare.
01:23:59.420And this is one of the things that he says is a hallmark, um, of all fourth generation warfare groups.
01:24:04.440Is that they gain power consummate to the inability of the state to fulfill that role.
01:24:08.760And so classic examples are, like, street gangs, um, you know, whether it's the Mexican mafia or, uh, the mob.
01:24:16.420But, of course, groups like, um, Hezbollah or Golden Dawn in Greece are all, or, um, you know, religious groups are all, in a sense, fourth generation warfare entities.
01:24:29.300Because these become the primary, uh, they, they hold the primary loyalty of their members.
01:24:36.080And they're providing social services as well.
01:24:38.580Both of those, in fact, that you mentioned, do that.
01:24:41.720And that's what happens when you have a state of such intense corruption that these groups have to come in.
01:24:46.740I guess the ultimate, for me, the revolutionary idea is that, you know, we start creating these institutions of our own where we don't need the system anymore.
01:24:57.940Slowly but surely, we can withdraw from mainstream life because we have our own institutions.
01:25:04.180That the state and the corporate world becomes totally irrelevant to us because we have our own institutions.
01:25:09.460This is the nature of revolution to me.
01:25:26.920I mean, we, we want to establish our, our own independent power structure, uh, separate from the state and reduce the power that our enemies have over us at the same time.
01:25:36.360So, and that the way this will be done is by establishing justice.
01:25:44.360Nothing will be more attractive to the, uh, shall we say normie than, uh, someone who can provide them with justice when the state has failed to do so.
01:25:57.180Uh, but of course, in order to provide justice, first, you must have the capability, you know, so, uh, it's going to take a lot of work, a lot of preparation.
01:26:06.360And our parts to be able to step into, to, to provide that.
01:26:10.740Well, a good example might be like this, you know, when the anarcho tyranny gets to the point where, um, you know, child rapists are, are walking, are walking free.
01:26:19.800And in fact, you know, they're, they're actually, um, rewarded for their behavior, which we're approaching.
01:26:27.180You know, the, uh, you know, it will get to a point that those groups who are willing to throw these people off of rooftops will be celebrated by everyday citizenry.
01:26:36.420Um, and, you know, the willingness to engage in that kind of behavior will, will gain a lot of positive clout and attraction.
01:26:49.180And then the question becomes, you know, can their force be legitimized, right?
01:26:53.620Can these people do this and then not face repercussion from the state?
01:26:56.880And then once that, once they're able to do so, that's when they want, um, because they, they become the de facto state.
01:27:04.080And this is why, you know, the government, as you say, while our liberalism can only get more and more totalitarian.
01:27:09.900Because that's the only way that it can maintain its, its power, its control, is that it has to crack down on every single angle of, um, every single area of life that's not under the domain and purview of the state.
01:27:23.260Or else, you know, we win, essentially.
01:27:26.880Well, as of right now, uh, Jewish organized crime, so-called Russian organized crime, functions, uh, out in the open with very little consequence.
01:27:34.780And this is because, uh, Jews will never turn another Jew over to the FBI.
01:27:42.180Uh, they've actually succeeded in this.
01:27:44.760And so, like it or not, there are examples.
01:27:47.960I'm not talking about criminal groups.
01:27:49.740But for a Jew to hand in another Jew to the FBI, the consequences of that man are dire.
01:28:26.700And this is, you know, really what we have to, you know, put the question to our listeners.
01:28:30.160You know, how many of your friends and family, if, if Jared Fogel, um, you know, went free,
01:28:35.100and the victims were forced to pay a fine for character defamation, how many normies would, would cheer, um, you know, at the band who, who took his life?
01:28:48.880Another example would be the rooftop Koreans in 1992.
01:28:52.760I watched it on TV, uh, during the LA riots.
01:28:56.340Um, these, uh, the blacks marched almost in formation to Koreatown.
01:29:00.800Uh, the Koreans broke into a local gun store and took up positions on the roof.
01:29:05.800They were arrested for, uh, legal ownership of weapons and everything else.
01:29:28.120And, and this is the thing is, is that, um, we're in this tricky position because on the one hand, um, state, state power is still strong enough that they will, um, you know, Waco or Bundy Ranch you, uh, you know, if you openly oppose and defy their, their will.
01:29:47.100Um, but, you know, at, you know, at the same time, the state is fracturing and growing, um, weaker and weaker, especially the federal enforcement authority, uh, all the time simply because of the disintegration of social trust.
01:30:01.440And so, you know, and we're going to discuss this in our, in Kelly Yuga News, you know, I think the, the, it's, I think it's a question of payroll, right?
01:30:08.500I mean, there's only so long, you know, you have to hold the liquid currency to pay the wages of your, of your, your mercenaries.
01:30:15.660Well, here's the situation as of today.
01:30:18.580Um, very, very soon, Russia and China are going to dump the dollar.
01:30:23.560Actually, they're, they're, they've already done it.
01:30:25.100They're doing it piecemeal for commodity exchanges.
01:30:29.240The intermediary banks have just been established.
01:30:47.340Um, you know, this is pretty much inevitability.
01:30:50.440Do we have the maturity and the ability to organize when things really hit the fan?
01:30:56.320Because at that point, there'll be mass inflation.
01:30:58.920Um, I have no idea what the contingency plan would be for the U.S. government other than to invade Russia, um, which they could never win such a battle, uh, which is, you know, that's the, that's the primary reason why there is this constant, you know, obsession with, with that country.
01:31:17.740The, I, I, I posted the, um, intermediary banks, Russo-Chinese intermediary banks are going to be, uh, the ones taking over all oil sales, commodity sales, gas sales, et cetera, steel between the two powers and between all members of the S.C.O., which, by the way, soon will include Turkey, which is going to be interesting.
01:48:00.100As the token Romanist, I won't countersignal the Roman canons on that front.
01:48:09.180But I don't think I would – I have ever heard of a – the strictest Dominican confessor ever handing out something like that to a married couple.
01:49:06.980Well, right, I was going to say, like, I – being an Anglican, I've still read – and I mentioned this last episode, I read John Paul II's Love and Responsibility, and I agree with it almost entirely – completely entirely.
01:49:19.020I went to pre-Cana stuff with my wife when we got married, and to which they said, like, it's supposed to be a unifying process and a pleasurable process.
01:49:48.640Well, St. John Chrysostom and his unmarried family spends many pages saying how only pagans believe that sex is for procreation because people were arrogant and they want their genes to be spread as many people as humanly possible.
01:50:39.920Anyway, so now we've – I think unless any of our guests wanted to make any final comments on the subject of law, I think we can move into Kali Yuga News proper.
01:50:47.080You know, I would just remark that this is a subject that is so large, you know, we've only begun to just touch the particular groundwork.
01:50:56.020If we were to hone in on a particular subject or, you know, look at just American law, for instance, week in week in, we could do a whole – another two-hour broadcast just topping up – just with selected topics.
01:51:06.340Just to remind listeners, oral sex between married couples is not sinful.
01:51:30.480I would like to make the note that while we've made many distinctions here, the distinction between the customary, the common law, and the civil or the, shall we say, Roman law, they're valid distinctions, but these are not antagonistic distinctions.
01:51:55.020A society that is large enough to have multiple communities will need to have both of these things.
01:52:15.360Well, I'm thinking of a particular quote.
01:52:17.680I mean, I know Father Johnson on his podcast in Symphony of Powers, you know, he quoted an excerpt from, you know, the Roman Emperor of St. Justinian the Great, where he was talking about this particular subject.
01:52:27.820You know, that each ethnic group, of course, has its own, you know, customs and tradition and that are proper and right to it, even within the framework of having, you know, Roman civil law.
01:53:11.840Well, and this is what's possible when there is, you know, an ethnically transcending logos that you can bring these disparate people underneath the order, the good governance of Christ, fundamentally, which is what the emperor and the state are reflections of.
01:53:25.220So, in other words, we've kind of gone – done the dirty transition into our new segment.
01:53:36.560Father Johnson, let's get back into what we were discussing earlier.
01:53:39.080Why don't you read for us the story that you had selected beforehand?
01:57:02.760And controlling Russian oil would be the ultimate coup for American imperialism.
01:57:09.380So that's what the story is really about.
01:57:11.000Now, just as an addition, if anyone tells you that oral sex between married couples is sinful, give them my phone number, and we'll discuss it.
01:57:39.900Well, and what the article also mentions is that in response to the Russian plane flying close to the spy plane, not only did they scramble F-16s to monitor the Russian jet, but they also sent it to a jet where the defense minister was in, flying from Kaliningrad back to St. Petersburg, which prompted more Russian jet scramble to defend and escort the defense minister.
01:58:06.900And then they have the gall to act as if, you know, the Russian jets are just, you know, coming to peek at them just to fuck with them.
01:58:16.140But you're exactly right, and it's not the first time that American jets have come very close to the defense minister's plane.
01:59:36.780But Russia, of course, responds that American planes in our sector are going to get shut down, the U.S. back down, and move their planes only to the southern part of the country.
01:59:50.260Well, in the event of a war, we have an entire department of the army that is fundamentally useless and has been since World War II, and it's called field artillery.
02:00:10.520The first thing Vladimir Putin probably did was restructure the military when he got in control because he understood that there are tactics that lost in Afghanistan were – he understood where that came from probably.
02:00:22.320You can't fire on a fixed target when you're firing at Russians.
02:00:25.480They probably – their battalions probably don't camp in the same place two nights in a row.
02:00:47.780On a geostrategic level, like it doesn't even matter what the doctrines or the equipment that we're talking about.
02:00:57.620Logistically, the United States has crippled itself with this insane bout of expeditionary warfare all across Central Asia to the point where if we wanted to supply the level of conventional forces that it would take to actually prosecute a real war,
02:01:26.620even an air war, I would say, against Russia would be an insurmountable challenge.
02:01:37.140The critical things to look at are transport aircraft, our transport trucks, our trains, and the sad fact is that we just don't have it.
02:01:48.980And aside from those, you need to think about like, okay, well, where's the ammunition?
02:02:04.780Well, here's the simple way to answer the question.
02:02:07.160If there is war, it won't just be a war with Russia because there is a defense pact between Moscow and China, and that would include Armenia and Iran as well.
02:02:39.260And owning that many dollars, Russia and China have the ultimate weapon.
02:02:44.900There simply isn't – and I have read article after article after article on the state of military morale in America.
02:02:53.340For officers, mid-level officers right now are making six figures.
02:02:58.300I know foreign officers, when they come to American bases, are shocked at the luxury.
02:03:02.100American officers are joining the service to get the college paid for, to get women, to have a very, very nice salary, to be called a hero.
02:04:10.420So the U.S. can't win for all the reasons that we've mentioned, and I'm hoping that that's – that's what the U.S. is, but that's going to be the decision, and that's why they backed down in Syria.
02:04:22.640So what gives me pause there is that there have to be people in the regime that know these facts just as well as we do and have to be at least as intelligent as we are, at least as rational.
02:05:39.240The question that he raises is a good one.
02:05:41.260How can they not know – of course they know this.
02:05:43.720They know this probably better than we do.
02:05:47.120And think of it from the point of view of small countries in the area like Ukraine who now believe they have American support to do pretty much whatever they want.
02:05:54.960So they'll be finding pretext for their own little wars.
02:07:55.540But that won't be the case because not only is there that longstanding agreement, but the U.S. has been trying to pick a war with China and South China see something nasty over the last two, three years.
02:08:43.800In order to even conceive of any sort of attempted military action against Russia of all targets, you would need some sort of – you would need to have fomented some sort of internal division already, right?
02:09:45.900If our enemies are – you know, if the New World Order, we see it as the corporate instantiation of the activities of the Antichrist in the world.
02:09:54.480You know, then this is reflective of, you know, the enemy's personality.
02:09:59.800And we know he's prideful and being glorious.
02:10:02.840And we – you know, he knows he's going to lose.
02:10:05.320You know, but he does it because fuck you.
02:10:09.840And to be honest with you though, from a personal level, I would love to see the swaggering, arrogant U.S. military establishment get slapped around for a while.
02:11:19.240And ostensibly, if you're an officer, you went into a good enough branch that you'll come out and there will be a job offer waiting for you from somebody who – they're part of a bureaucratic thing.
02:11:29.500Maybe you'll end up selling weapons to Middle East, Saudi states.
02:11:32.620And you make a quarter of a million dollars on top of your pension.
02:11:48.900Or you get a good job lobbying in the capital.
02:11:50.920The only thing that I'm concerned about on a personal level is I was one of those poor bloody grunts on the ground wondering what the heck I was doing there.
02:12:05.240And it's going to be a whole new level of suck for those poor bastards.
02:12:11.900Well, part of my hatred for the military comes from my father, who was drafted in 1950 to go to Korea.
02:15:34.880Well, here's what I would say on its face.
02:15:36.880There are very good Indo and Chinese doctors who are as good as white doctors.
02:15:45.100However, there are also Indo and Chinese doctors who are not as good, who are basically the
02:15:49.340equivalent of undergraduate medical students in terms of their medical degree in China.
02:15:54.340There are supposed to be controls against this sort of thing, but unfortunately, that is the case that you run into these Indos who are just – they're not equal to their white peers.
02:16:06.220In the United States, you have the problem with blacks is that you're guaranteed a worse doctor if it's a black doctor.
02:16:27.380No, it's – and it's equivalent of like basically 20 points of difference just based on being black in terms of their medical – the CCAT entrance test.
02:16:36.740Anyway, so, yeah, I mean, so I would just say that this is – you know, things are just going to start to get worse, especially as infrastructure falls apart and standards weaken and lower.
02:16:48.120I mean, even if you have doctors who are equally trained, you know, there's a – I mean, you need first world people to sustain first world infrastructure.
02:16:54.720And, you know, the people that are coming to the hospital, you know, are not civilized.
02:16:59.300You know, it's the broad, unwashed masses, especially in a socialized medicine system like Canada.
02:17:04.980And so this is – the situations are intolerable.
02:17:25.060And the thing is, these good Indian doctors, there's a massive need for good doctors in India.
02:17:30.780And we both as Christians and NGOs and whatever spend a lot of medical aid trying to provide them with that.
02:17:38.300They have their own competent doctors, but they're over here seeking a better life, which I understand everybody wants that and needs that.
02:17:45.200But they're never going to raise themselves out of poverty or even attempt to do that until they bring their own greatest minds home.
02:17:54.660Well, my experience has been that East Asians and even subcontinent Asians are on our side on the racial issue.
02:18:02.220They're victimized by affirmative action laws, not benefited by it.
02:18:08.260The rooftop Koreans, as I just mentioned, my experience has been that they're generally speaking there with us.
02:18:15.380And they're also a high IQ people, East Asians anyway.
02:18:18.020I've got myself and my father, my ancestors, you know, we've got very good friends who are Chinese, you know, and close connections with China.
02:18:29.060And there are very many good Chinamen.
02:18:30.900The problem with the Chinese is that they have a colonial mindset.
02:18:35.680And so when they come here in numbers like they have in Canada, they come here to claim territory.
02:18:40.760And they're not leaving, you know, and once they can assemble the numbers, it's an existential threat that they're basically here.
02:18:48.080So this is the reason for me is that from a, you know, I'm about to leave for British Columbia for the lower mainland.
02:18:58.260This city's, I think, 500,000 to 600,000 people south of Vancouver.
02:19:02.060The metropolitan area itself is approaching, you know, I think 35% Chinese.
02:19:06.900You know, the property, it's more expensive than Tokyo in downtown Vancouver.
02:19:13.980It's the most expensive real estate in the entire world.
02:19:17.500This is because these Chinese oligarchs are taking their money and they're laundering it here and investing in real estate that they don't even live in.
02:20:18.080But in this situation, you know, and I just use this as a – I bring this up just as an aside.
02:20:22.360Because I think that this is, you know, yeah, this is important to consider.
02:20:25.180That this is – because they are, you know, equal to us on a geopolitical level, they become potential adversaries.
02:20:31.820You know, and it's – there are only – there are a few places in North America, most of which are in Canada, with very serious Chinese, you know, colonial population, essentially.
02:20:44.900Well, something like that, 75%, that's replacement level.
02:21:48.320I think we've mentioned before on Mysterium about how these manufactured personalities that they present in front of our children are just very, very strange, very fractured, on-purpose things.
02:22:14.920You could say strange or monarch, maybe.
02:27:24.880You know, but they have to understand that, you know, we are dealing with Seraphim Rose, you know, called pornography, the devil's iconography.
02:27:40.140There's a compelling theory, which I will not comment really on, that Miley Cyrus is long dead and that she's, like, that the current Miley Cyrus is a body double.
02:27:50.800And the evidence rests largely on freckles, the fact that the current one has crooked teeth and the previous one didn't, and this and that.
02:27:59.040Yeah, it's interesting, but it certainly, even if it isn't true, it lends credence to the fact that this Hollywood institution will transform people into completely different people.
02:28:11.920I wouldn't put it past them, certainly.
02:29:15.000The representative body of Southern Baptists called on its members to stop displaying the Confederate battle flag.
02:29:20.160The Southern Baptist Convention, the largest Protestant denomination in the U.S., with 15.8 million members, on Tuesday adopted a resolution that said the flag was an emblem of slavery and called members to discontinue its display as a sign of solidarity with the whole body of Christ, including our African-American brothers and sisters.
02:29:37.420Well, yeah, this was from last year, just for posterity.
02:29:46.080You know, but I thought that it would be the most of our listeners have probably heard, you know, the Southern Baptist Convention, you know, denounced alt-right white supremacy as, you know, satanic and so forth.
02:31:30.260And so, I mean, you know, I have nothing but sympathy and even an empathy for our Southern brothers and sisters
02:31:37.440who have to deal with the collapse of their religious institutions, you know, around them.
02:31:47.860You know, but this is – I mean, the thing is this is an effect which is common to all Western societies, all Western nations.
02:31:55.880We're seeing that really almost universally everybody is being modernized and diluted, even among, you know, Orthodox, even among, you know, traditional so-called Orthodox.