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00:04:00.560 So, before I mean we can discuss law, I think we must discuss order.

00:04:06.400 So, the order or logos is the presupposition behind any law to begin with.

00:04:14.900 The very fact that the words that we use to communicate with one another are intelligible and that the patterns are recognizable over time and that they decode in our brains to have different meaning.

00:04:27.480 This is all a prerequisite before we can talk about the verbal expression of behavior and how we ought to encode that in our country's legal systems.

00:04:39.160 So, this is a subject where I know you have a subject where I know you have a real depth of knowledge and study, Father.

00:04:45.260 So, this order or this order or this order, this order or this logos, of course, is at the heart of the Christian worldview.

00:04:51.000 And so, can you explain to us, what is the Christian conception of law and how does it come out of order and what's the relationship between the two and our Lord Jesus Christ?

00:05:02.940 Well, the simplest way to put it is that every object that exists, every natural object that exists, has an end, has a built-in purpose.

00:05:11.920 These aren't random things that have just fallen from the sky.

00:05:17.360 And those behaviors that facilitate the object reaching its end or purpose are virtues.

00:05:26.280 And although it's strange to say, we would say that for the natural order as well as just regular human behavior.

00:05:33.540 Now, the modern world being based on this random interaction of meaningless objects,

00:05:40.220 you know, Thomas Hobbes' atoms is clashing and Newton's atoms clashing with no real purpose, that's gone.

00:05:49.520 There is no particular purpose for human beings.

00:05:51.720 There is no purpose for anything unless we actually create something.

00:05:55.600 You know, we talk about our artifacts in that case, an air conditioner, an airplane.

00:05:59.060 But we're talking about natural objects, people and cats and trees and ecosystems.

00:06:05.240 So, everything has an end.

00:06:06.520 And for human beings, the secular end is the common good of the community through reason.

00:06:14.240 What makes human beings human is our ability to see things universally.

00:06:21.180 And so that which facilitates that is a virtue.

00:06:26.580 The modern world can't have that.

00:06:28.220 When you have industry where, in the early days, you had your children being stuffed into a factory at 100 degrees,

00:06:37.620 you know, you can't talk about people's natural end.

00:06:39.680 They were simply utilitarian objects.

00:06:42.700 They didn't have any subjectivity at all.

00:06:45.120 Their purpose was as the capitalist system demanded they be.

00:06:47.880 So, it was music to their ears to have a theory like Darwinism, like Hobbesianism, although Hobbes, of course, before the Industrial Revolution.

00:06:56.460 But Hobbes was necessary for the Industrial Revolution.

00:06:59.300 You can't have industry, you can't have the modern world without rejecting the notion that everything has a purpose.

00:07:04.800 You know, it's not an accident that Isaac Newton was a big supporter of William of Orange.

00:07:14.680 And the connection is that William of Orange had no right to the throne.

00:07:19.580 But when you view a universe that's just based on power, that's just based on action and reaction, what difference does it make?

00:07:27.620 Whether he has a right to the throne.

00:07:28.520 There is no such thing as a right to the throne.

00:07:29.920 So, nominalism, this kind of random interaction, is absolutely essential for the modern world to function for five seconds.

00:07:37.280 The problem is, with the whole modern enterprise, is that it's not just that it's a meaningless world.

00:07:45.640 It's that elites then have the power to ascribe meaning to it.

00:07:50.200 That's where you get the problem.

00:07:51.360 That's where you get the tyranny that only modernity can create.

00:07:54.460 It's so much now, of course, order, or things having a purpose, can't randomly develop.

00:08:02.540 It comes from somewhere.

00:08:04.740 And it comes from God.

00:08:07.660 And so, that's the connection between those things, put in the simplest way possible.

00:08:12.600 Right.

00:08:14.160 And I think that you've touched off on a critical point, that the capacity which differentiates us, humans, from animals, is our mind.

00:08:24.400 That we can see these universal principles that are inherent everywhere around us.

00:08:29.420 And based on study of this, we can have wisdom about the function and the order of the universe.

00:08:34.200 And, you know, this gives us power, in a sense, over it, how all technology is predicated upon this ability.

00:08:43.680 And so, it seems, you know, I just said at a very, very direct level, that this capability to understand reason, to govern ourselves rationally, is what, sort of part of the essence of being made in the image and likeness of God.

00:09:01.000 That we have this faculty from Christ himself, who is the order upon which everything is referencing.

00:09:10.900 Well, you can see the evil of Thomas Hobbes.

00:09:12.860 You can see that if you start positing a world of this random interaction, then anything goes.

00:09:20.020 The Leviathan comes into existence because people are exhausted, constantly fighting.

00:09:25.300 They simply give up and give up this non-existent freedom to this entity.

00:09:31.860 You know, he was not a royalist by any stretch of the imagination.

00:09:34.760 The state could be anything.

00:09:36.200 It doesn't even have to be a state.

00:09:38.040 It just has to be something that keeps the peace.

00:09:41.060 In other words, the desire to hurt someone is overwhelmed by the far greater desire to avoid going to prison.

00:09:51.040 And that's really what the modern world is based on.

00:09:55.080 But it never just stays as random interaction.

00:09:58.940 Everybody, our minds demand purpose.

00:10:01.400 So, the elites are that which impute purpose to the world.

00:10:06.700 Again, that's where tyranny comes from.

00:10:09.100 The natural order is overthrown.

00:10:11.120 And modern science decides what's real and what is not.

00:10:14.700 So, that's where we are today.

00:10:18.660 Right.

00:10:19.500 Exactly.

00:10:20.920 So, Savage, Rude, would you like to make any comments before we continue?

00:10:23.760 I think definitely the purpose of the law, it's in flux and it makes no sense.

00:10:31.580 And this is, before we get too far ahead of ourselves, I'll know that this is how things work in our prison system.

00:10:36.180 Our prison system is built towards this vague notion of rehabilitation.

00:10:40.020 And yet, it's awful at it.

00:10:41.980 It's terrible at it.

00:10:43.400 Our incarceration rates, our recidivism rates are horrible.

00:10:46.960 And this is the, it's a good way of looking at how flawed our current approach to law is, in the sense that we can't even fulfill the basic premises and pretexts of our concept of law.

00:11:04.420 I've been, for my job, I actually do research for different companies on institutions.

00:11:10.320 And prison is one that comes up all the time.

00:11:12.920 And overwhelmingly, you know, prisoners sit around all day and do nothing.

00:11:17.800 It's not like, you know, they have jobs, you know, like in the private prison system.

00:11:22.000 In the county jails, they stare at the wall.

00:11:24.800 So, in other words, the modern criminal justice system, the best they can do, not, you know, not paying restitution, not community service.

00:11:33.540 No, you sit in a room and you can't leave.

00:11:37.680 And that's it.

00:11:38.820 That'll show you.

00:11:40.140 You know, most of this is meaningless staring is what these people do for a month or a year or whatever it is.

00:11:46.040 So, he's absolutely right.

00:11:47.400 There's no rehabilitation there.

00:11:48.360 You just sit there.

00:11:51.260 Right.

00:11:51.700 Well, that's, yeah.

00:11:53.540 Well, it's about comfort politics, as my friend Nat Dainlaw would say, that the state, as things begin to generate more and more, all of the policies will be based on maintaining that bottom line of comfort necessary for social control.

00:12:06.420 So, this is, in a sense, the purpose of the prison.

00:12:09.840 It's, in a sense, it's above all else to ensure and foster a feeling of comfortability, of safety, and remove the worst elements that disrupt this order.

00:12:21.220 Although, it's not even very good at that, as we can see increasingly.

00:12:24.680 Anyway.

00:12:24.840 The only justification for a prison system is for people so violent that there is no way they can be trusted unless they're behind bars.

00:12:33.540 But that is a tiny minority of people in prison.

00:12:36.080 Prison is just a place to throw someone.

00:12:38.780 You know, the concept of a prison system is a very new idea.

00:12:42.740 No society up until the modern era had any such thing.

00:12:44.760 It was always restitution, or you worked for the person, or you did something to make, to reset the balance.

00:12:52.840 But most of the people in jail right now are just, you know, they're nonviolent offenders.

00:12:56.820 It's just comfort politics in the sense that they get to tell the population, we're taking care of you, we're keeping you safe, by throwing an embezzler in prison.

00:13:04.760 Not, you know, having given the money back, I mean, or, you know, some community service or something like that, but having, just sitting in a room. 0.78

00:13:13.060 And I can't get over it, just how ridiculous it is.

00:13:17.580 The very origin of the English concept of jail was a place for people who were working off their debt to the victim of the crime under the common law system of repayment.

00:13:35.400 You know, you had to keep an eye on them to make sure they didn't run away.

00:13:37.880 So you kept them in the jail overnight, and then they went back to their job the next day.

00:13:43.060 And most of the people are short-termers.

00:13:46.500 You know, I'm talking about a county jail, state prisons.

00:13:49.120 You know, we're talking about five years, ten years.

00:13:51.160 That one, long-term prisoners, they get to do other things.

00:13:53.840 They actually can take classes and things like that.

00:13:55.640 But the overwhelming majority of people in jail are nonviolent, and they're not doing anything.

00:14:00.140 It's wasted labor.

00:14:00.900 So for someone like Bernie Madoff, for example, you know, they could have simply forced him to, you know, become a financial advisor to poor people, to give his money away.

00:14:11.720 There's a million things you could have a guy like that do other than have him sit in a country club. 0.93

00:14:15.800 It's ridiculous. 0.68

00:14:16.260 Well, before we get too far into this, I want to back it up and continue to dive into a little bit the subjects of epistemology that we were discussing earlier.

00:14:28.260 For those of our listeners who are not familiar with inductive logic, which is the basic principle of reasoning, which relies upon the consistency of patterns in the world over time,

00:14:41.620 this is perhaps the best example of why this order, this logos, which is beyond man's perception, sort of a grand hierarchical design for the universe,

00:14:56.220 is necessary to presuppose, to even begin to discuss any sort of application of criminal law.

00:15:01.840 So the example that I've grouped on here is every raven in a sample of, a random sample of 3,200 ravens is black.

00:15:09.400 This strongly supports the hypothesis that all ravens are black.

00:15:14.080 Now, the statement assumes that the blackness of ravens does not change over time.

00:15:20.900 It assumes that the shape of ravens does not change over time.

00:15:26.280 That there is a consistency to the physical laws of the world that we can recognize ravens, we can discern their colors,

00:15:32.620 when we look at these individuals over time and then connect it back with what we've previously observed.

00:15:37.600 And so this is what we mean, what we talk about on the show a lot, logos, or order. 0.94

00:15:43.480 This fundamental quality to the universe of intelligibility, which is necessary at its basic level to even have a discussion without making ourselves look like fools.

00:15:54.040 Now, the law is supposed to be the instantiation of this principle in our personal and social and national lives.

00:16:06.940 That it is this order which gives rise to harmony, which allows all parts of existence to fulfill their natural end with minimum conflict and friction.

00:16:16.840 Now, this is where we're going to get right back into the thick of things, is that the traditional world had this view fairly unanimously.

00:16:26.720 There was a good understanding or grip of natural law and the common good as basic hallmarks of the state, basic ends of the state.

00:16:35.280 But as you say, Father, in the modern world, this view has been totally done away with and replaced with nominalism.

00:16:43.740 So I would hand it over to you just to kind of continue to discuss, because I know nominalism, of course, is the great area of your critique.

00:16:52.840 Yeah, it's been, for the last ten years, it's been my overwhelming obsession.

00:16:56.680 And it irritates me. It took me so long to finally get to the ground of everything.

00:17:01.160 Okay. Nomalism is the late medieval theory that universal objects don't exist.

00:17:09.380 The only thing that exists are individuals.

00:17:13.100 Well, the problem there is that individuals are made up of parts.

00:17:18.220 So really what they mean is the only thing that exists are words, hence the name nominalism.

00:17:24.320 But you bring that to its conclusion.

00:17:25.900 It implies that there is no purpose in the world, but there is no meaning in the world.

00:17:32.700 It is almost a, you know, it's an anti-epistemological view.

00:17:37.180 It destroys everything.

00:17:39.460 And I think the reason it exists is to justify and to act as a precursor to the Industrial Revolution, the omni-state, mass armies, world wars.

00:17:50.900 Without nominalism, these things can't exist.

00:17:52.720 And that's the foundation.

00:17:57.100 It's the ontology of death, as I've called it.

00:17:59.080 I have a book coming out one of these days when I finally finish it.

00:18:01.760 It's very long.

00:18:03.960 Where the Church Fathers, you know, have this as a fundamental assumption through all their work.

00:18:09.160 No one has brought that out as their main foundation, but it's true.

00:18:12.720 And nominalism finds its root, at least in our civilization, with William of Occombe in very late, Franciscan, very late medieval England.

00:18:26.480 And part of his motivation was that there is no ground for our obedience to God's law.

00:18:33.820 It's a law because he's God, and he's powerful, so you have to listen to him.

00:18:39.480 There is no ontological connection between man and God.

00:18:43.440 You see this in the Orthodox world with John Roman Didis, a heretic Greek priest who died a few years ago.

00:18:49.200 And taking aim at him, that's where the name worshippers came from, making war on that idea that there is a deep connection.

00:19:00.060 The very fact that God became man and has two natures within him and Christ shows that there is a deep ontological connection between God and man.

00:19:08.360 So nominalism, from a theological point of view, means that there is no connection between things that are divine and things that are human.

00:19:15.620 And you listen to God because he's God, and he'll punish you.

00:19:18.160 And that's it.

00:19:19.200 Right, exactly.

00:19:22.540 And so it is a, you know, as you say, it's a devolution to this sort of, you know, titanic will-to-power morality, as we've discussed many times before on the show.

00:19:32.380 Because all that matters is the power behind the imposition of a particular set of moral, physical, scientific framework, anything.

00:19:42.960 As long as somebody has enough money or power or influence, any set of information paradigm can be sold as completely correct.

00:19:50.060 And this is the nature of these sort of controlled dialectics is that if you have, if you're able to define the frame that an individual or society thinks in, then any opposition, so long as it's within those borders, is perfectly acceptable to your purposes.

00:20:07.020 Well, if you're the victim, if you actually believe this stuff, and you're driven out of business by a very powerful corporate chain, and you believe, you know, for example, that everyone has the right to pursue their own interests.

00:20:21.060 Well, all that's happened there is that you both pursued your individual private interests, and you lost.

00:20:26.840 So what grounds, upon what grounds can you complain?

00:20:31.360 None.

00:20:33.100 You know, it's a false universal in the sense that it's very different, you know, if you hold this view that we're all individuals and we just have to pursue our interests, and that's it.

00:20:43.700 Well, when Warren Buffett pursues his interest, it's a heck of a lot different than when I pursue mine.

00:20:50.440 It's a fake universal moral principle.

00:20:52.860 It gives the wealthy the power to rule everything.

00:20:56.840 And when you believe it, as an ordinary person, you have no grounds from which that you can complain or rebel, none whatsoever.

00:21:07.520 Yeah, and while we're talking about inductive logic and absolute law and things like that, I think it's good to lay out a basic division between seemingly two at least European forms of law.

00:21:18.720 There's common law or English common law, or as Danes, like our friend Nat, would say, Dane law, Danish common law.

00:21:26.220 But it's that, and there's civil law or Roman civil law.

00:21:30.960 And the main idea is you're supposed to realize these two things should exist in concert.

00:21:36.000 A state cannot run itself on continual exceptions.

00:21:42.020 And if you ruled your family with civil law, with absolute civil law, you'd be a horrible father.

00:21:49.240 You have to be able to make exceptions.

00:21:51.020 You have to be able to grant mercy, clemency, and all these things.

00:21:53.760 Same thing on community scales, too.

00:21:55.460 Right, well, so if we want to get into, actually, before that, Doc, did you want to make a comment?

00:22:02.800 Or a savage, rather?

00:22:03.580 Well, I just want to say that I'm really glad that we've brought up induction as the grounding of our natural view of the universe, of natural order.

00:22:19.920 However, it's only from logical axioms that we induce through inductive logic that we're able to carry out deductive logic.

00:22:31.860 So right away, if we adopt the sort of modern view of induction as being invalid, that does away with all logic altogether.

00:22:49.120 And so the immediate follow-on consequence is, as we have already noted, the elimination of universal objects.

00:22:57.920 And if we are deceived when we perceive, through our senses, the existence of universals, that puts into question the existence of anything.

00:23:13.740 Right?

00:23:14.280 Because if we can't rely on our senses, then how are we to rely on our perception of non-universal objects?

00:23:23.600 It's, it's, it becomes, you know, nihilism all the way down, really quickly.

00:23:30.780 That's a great point.

00:23:32.020 Here's the thing.

00:23:33.140 The positivists would love to have you believe, or your typical empiricist modern type, the John Locke's of the world,

00:23:40.300 would love you to believe that relying just on observation and experiment for knowledge doesn't have any assumptions.

00:23:48.620 It's assumptionless.

00:23:49.600 And we know that's true.

00:23:51.380 I mean, right off the top of my head, what are the assumptions of empiricism?

00:23:55.320 Well, first of all, it assumes that your senses pick up what's actually out there.

00:24:02.780 That's a minimum assumption.

00:24:05.520 Number two, it assumes that how you arrange logically those observations has any connection to what's actually out there in reality.

00:24:14.640 This connection has no proof in induction.

00:24:19.360 Just off the top of your head, there's no, and of course, the third thing is that there's no intrinsic truth to your mind.

00:24:26.840 That everything is just a matter of external knowledge.

00:24:29.600 So just off the top of my head, there's three huge assumptions that all empiricists, the Locke types, have to make in order for, in order for that to work.

00:24:38.440 So it's not an assumptionless concept.

00:24:41.460 And yet the modern scientific mentality is based on that assumption.

00:24:44.700 But there are no assumptions at all on empiricism.

00:24:46.900 Well, and this is the sort of – this is the great irony of our modern academic leaders is that they're – it's like a dog who's on fire and then sniffs the air and turns to his friend and says,

00:24:59.280 do you smell smoke and says, yes, it's you, you're on fire, because they make all of these metaphysical claims, but they deny metaphysics at their core.

00:25:08.420 And so going right back to induction, it's like, indeed, you can't even begin to make any scientific claim or any claim of existence over time

00:25:19.580 without presupposing this super illogical order to the world that we draw upon, this universal order that we draw upon in our own localized way

00:25:28.080 in order to make sense of our subjective sense perception.

00:25:33.540 And this is –

00:25:34.400 Hold on.

00:25:35.500 Yeah, sorry, sorry.

00:25:36.280 I was just going to say – and this is – J. Dyer makes a good point.

00:25:39.280 He was just talking about – Aristotle makes a basic transcendental argument with sophists who come and say,

00:25:44.420 Aristotle, what if we don't believe in your laws of non-contradiction?

00:25:48.100 And Aristotle says, well, the very fact that you've used language to make an argument irrationally against non-contradiction,

00:25:57.640 you know, you've disproved yourself already because you can't but use rationality and non-contradiction in order to make an appeal to absurdity.

00:26:07.340 Yeah, I love that one because I say the same thing for individualism and egoism.

00:26:11.840 You tell a person who's actually making an argument that the individual is all that exists – in terms of social theory, I mean – our self-interest,

00:26:21.260 the individual is the core of everything.

00:26:23.820 And I say, wait a minute.

00:26:25.320 Number one, you're using the English language.

00:26:27.820 That's a communal creation.

00:26:29.020 You didn't create that.

00:26:30.400 Number two, you're using rules and logic that you learned over time.

00:26:34.880 That's also a communal creation.

00:26:36.380 Number three, that we understand what you're talking about.

00:26:39.260 That's another communal creation.

00:26:41.060 The very argument that we're all individuals presumes a functional, huge community to make it make sense.

00:26:49.160 It's the same concept, different subject.

00:26:50.920 Yes, precisely.

00:26:54.540 You know, and I think that – and these so excellently just highlight the absurdity of these positions.

00:27:01.760 And this is the thing.

00:27:02.780 If you begin to think about it, you know, seriously, if you're not absolutely insane just for a couple of moments,

00:27:08.560 it becomes plain that there's not any internal consistency to it.

00:27:12.500 But that's kind of the power of the propaganda is that they can just repeat the lie over and over and over again.

00:27:19.840 And as long as the lie is big enough, people will accept it, especially if there are – there is downstream logical cogency.

00:27:27.480 And this is the thing is, you know, you don't need to have every single one of your principles of – this is for the edification of our listeners.

00:27:34.960 Obviously, I understand everybody here who knows this.

00:27:37.240 You know, you don't need to have multiple logical errors in your argument or your worldview in order for everything to be incorrect.

00:27:46.020 You just simply need to make a major error that all of those are predicated upon.

00:27:49.720 So, you know, for instance, if somebody is a, you know, a materialist, a hard materialist, you know, their first error is believing that, you know, the empirical – empiricism and the material world is all that exists.

00:28:02.840 And so they might be correct about the temperature at which water boils, but the rest of the worldview is going to be absolutely retarded because of this central error. 0.96

00:28:13.340 Materialism is a universal claim, by the way.

00:28:19.720 Well, yeah, I mean, we always come back to the necessity to make universal and metaphysical claims when we're speaking of these things, which it's always enjoyable to tell the thoroughgoing materialist that, well, you just made a metaphysical claim and watch them splutter.

00:28:44.180 Well, even when that – go ahead, sorry.

00:28:46.340 Well, even when that – in our movement, we find a lot of utilitarians too.

00:28:50.120 I've been lectured so many times on we need to do this.

00:28:53.220 Do you want to lose?

00:28:54.020 We're going to lose if you do it your way.

00:28:55.480 Don't you want to win?

00:28:56.620 And the problem is they – all of their definitions of victory are predicated on their false notion of reality.

00:29:03.760 Are we winning right now?

00:29:04.820 Because a lot of utilitarian decisions have led us to where we are now.

00:29:07.980 A lot of people making short-term win decisions have got us to where we are from.

00:29:13.000 And there are people who held a certain amount of things in common with what we agree with, and these people, of course, don't agree with us, and they probably do not hold many things we have in common.

00:29:23.420 But they are on the right side of politics, and they don't understand the fact that their inability to grasp the fact that victory in itself is not its own reward has completely led them astray.

00:29:37.240 Well, these are people – go ahead.

00:29:42.220 Just that many of these people will define victory as survival.

00:29:49.080 But the problem with that formula is that survival has no end other than itself.

00:29:56.580 And so it doesn't escape this sort of – this trap of nominalism and meaninglessness.

00:30:01.880 Okay, so survive for what?

00:30:06.480 You know, what –

00:30:07.520 Right, well, this is –

00:30:08.700 On what – go ahead.

00:30:10.680 I was just going to know, this is exactly correct.

00:30:13.180 And I mean, for a lot of these people, they are de facto materialists.

00:30:16.840 And so if you embrace materialism and you're not, you know, an egoist, you know, you realize that biology and society is real, then, of course, you know, your only real end, the only real rational decision would be to advocate for the, you know, propagation and survival of your kin group above everybody else.

00:30:38.460 You know, and that's it.

00:30:40.760 There's no other end to it.

00:30:43.160 It's just, you know, raw survival against the meaningless flux of the universe where everything is permitted.

00:30:49.760 The only thing you have, people who reject universals, ultimately they have nothing but utility, which is, you know, an animal instinct.

00:30:58.240 All animals have a sense of utility too.

00:31:00.120 If something isn't useful to them, they don't care.

00:31:01.560 When you reject meaning in the world, including in yourself and your part of the world, all you really have is words, and words exist because we find some things useful, and so we have to give them a name.

00:31:15.300 That's pretty much it.

00:31:16.900 That's an animalistic way to live.

00:31:19.300 It's a complete rejection of reason.

00:31:23.120 Yeah, right, exactly.

00:31:25.200 Exactly.

00:31:25.600 And it offers us, it totally destroys any conception of the divine, because under this scheme, as you say, words could not even begin to express anything beyond themselves, because they're meaningless.

00:31:38.260 And this is, where it always comes back to, is it's just raw absurdity.

00:31:41.440 If words are meaningless, there's no internal structure or logic, why do we even discuss to begin with?

00:31:47.280 And then we're back in nihilism, if there's nothing to discuss, why do we live?

00:31:51.560 We absolutely need a mystery and fascism on language.

00:31:55.000 Actually, I was just reading something interesting about the degradation of Latin speech towards the end of Rome, but that's neither here nor there.

00:32:02.720 Well, I think that's exactly here.

00:32:04.180 I mean, excuse me, Father, because I know this is a subject of your particular interest.

00:32:10.960 Well, I have no particular expertise in the philosophy of language, but I have enough that the name worship controversy and orthodoxy is predicated on this.

00:32:20.100 The overwhelming majority of people talking about this concept have no idea what they're talking about.

00:32:27.400 This goes to the deepest, highest point of ontology.

00:32:32.260 And you have people with no education, you know, bishops and priests who are otherwise good people, but they just don't know what they're talking about.

00:32:37.760 And even, you know, I've taken Vladimir Moss to task, and a lot of people to task on this question, that they don't understand what that concept is.

00:32:47.420 It's not the worship of a name or the word.

00:32:50.140 No one believes that.

00:32:51.400 None of these guys believe that.

00:32:52.360 But the old concept of word or name, you know, logos or slovo, refers to the entire context of describing something.

00:33:02.280 To name something implies that you know it very, very well, and therefore you have the right to name it.

00:33:08.760 A word isn't just, you know, letters on paper.

00:33:11.900 It's an entire concept that exists in a context of other concepts.

00:33:16.340 So we're talking about everything that we understand in terms of describing God's action on earth, the church, and everything else.

00:33:24.980 That's what a name is.

00:33:26.640 That's what's part of God's energy.

00:33:29.080 But right now, the name worship heresy, people think that these guys are worshiping God's name just like some kind of a totem.

00:33:38.800 And no one listens to me.

00:33:39.880 I can't get anyone to say it's tearing parishes apart.

00:33:42.200 It's tearing churches apart.

00:33:43.180 And the people who are talking about it have no idea what they're talking about.

00:33:47.960 It's so beyond them.

00:33:49.040 And I have an article out.

00:33:50.020 You know, unfortunately, you know, not a lot of people read my stuff because it's long and it's academic and it uses technical vocabulary.

00:33:57.320 But unfortunately, that's what you need if you're going to have an opinion about this stuff.

00:34:01.360 And so you have churches torn apart on this name worshiping thing.

00:34:04.820 People don't even know what a name is.

00:34:06.720 They think it's a name in the sense, you know, Jesus or God or something.

00:34:09.260 That's not what it is.

00:34:10.000 This is some of the most difficult areas of ontology and you have, you know, illiterate, you know, people making decisions based on it.

00:34:20.040 It's driving me crazy.

00:34:21.360 So it's definitely a connection with language.

00:34:23.900 And it's an attack on nominalism.

00:34:25.700 It's an attack on John Roman Ditas.

00:34:28.380 And this whole concept, there's no connection between God and man at all.

00:34:31.260 We obey because it's revelation.

00:34:33.520 We better listen. 0.71

00:34:34.220 We're going to burn.

00:34:34.640 Right, well, this is, I mean, this concept of knowledge and naming and language, I mean, this goes right back to Genesis where Adam named all of the animals that God had created.

00:34:47.760 Right.

00:34:48.700 You know, he had the, you know, when he was clad in the Holy Spirit, he could see with clarity, you know, God's order, the logos in God's creation.

00:34:57.740 And so he knew.

00:34:58.320 Exactly.

00:35:00.080 That's exactly what it is.

00:35:01.060 He didn't name them Tom and Jim and Phil.

00:35:03.820 It means that he intuitively knew what they were, their functions, their connection with everybody else, because he knew God's logos manifest in nature.

00:35:14.780 You're exactly right.

00:35:15.440 Yeah, I think we find that, too, in a lot of, like, the Zohar and all of the Sefer Yedzer, the Sefer, Seferoth, and all that stuff.

00:35:24.160 It's the secret name of God.

00:35:25.640 What does the demon taunt Christ with?

00:35:27.660 I know who you are.

00:35:28.400 I know what your name is.

00:35:31.420 You know, I was thrown at me.

00:35:32.600 My old jurisdiction, the autonomous metropolitan, removed me from this very issue because my old bishop, who's a good man, accused Metropolitan Raphael in Russia of being a believer in the Zohar.

00:35:45.440 Because he was a so-called name worshiper.

00:35:49.140 I tried to say, that's not what this is.

00:35:50.980 The name itself isn't the issue.

00:35:53.160 It's our entire definition.

00:35:54.700 It's knowledge that's a question here.

00:35:57.120 And I said, you know, this is an awful mistake you're making.

00:36:00.000 This isn't what these people believe.

00:36:01.760 And in truth, it destroyed an entire church.

00:36:05.040 We had a Greek, Russian, and American branch.

00:36:07.360 We had a very large church that was destroyed based on this error.

00:36:10.720 And no one would listen to me.

00:36:13.900 It's a shame.

00:36:16.440 Right.

00:36:17.320 Well, this is an advantage, I think, that poets naturally have over maybe strict legalistic thinkers.

00:36:28.620 In that, you know, as I think we're hinting at, words, names are icons.

00:36:34.980 They're symbols.

00:36:35.960 Precisely.

00:36:36.340 You know, they represent a reality that exists whether or not we've given a particular object a label.

00:36:46.940 Right?

00:36:48.000 You know, their existence is objective in that way.

00:36:54.220 And to bring it back home, all of our laws are composed of words.

00:36:58.700 All of our laws are composed of these symbols, these things that represent things that go beyond the inscriptions that they have.

00:37:07.720 They are icons.

00:37:08.720 And if you are unwilling to countenance a law that is not more than the words that it's printed in, you're going to end up like America, where it's like, oh, we have a constitution.

00:37:19.520 Yeah, the constitution means absolutely nothing to no one for the most part, except for a rampant faction of people who wish to deal with it.

00:37:29.120 And they claim to be constructivists.

00:37:30.500 But they don't understand the consequences and the circumstances the constitution was written under, and they refuse to live like that, yet they still claim themselves to be constitutionalists.

00:37:40.540 That's a brilliant point.

00:37:41.900 I couldn't have said it better.

00:37:43.020 I banged my head on the desk so many times when these people, when the founders of the constitution used words like rights or law, they weren't using these words the same way that we do.

00:37:54.280 It's become so debased over time, and yet the constitution is being read.

00:38:00.440 It's like people picking up the Bible and reading it out of nowhere.

00:38:05.160 That's the most presumptuous thing you could possibly do.

00:38:08.840 You're just going to impose your own view of the world onto these words that you're reading.

00:38:12.500 The words are always changing, and they're getting more and more debased over time.

00:38:16.200 Words don't mean the same in English that they meant 100 years ago, let alone 2,500 years ago.

00:38:21.520 And it's the same thing with constitutional interpretation.

00:38:23.080 That whole vision of the world that existed in the late 18th century is gone completely without knowledge, without knowing what it was based on.

00:38:34.100 Unfortunately, American national law is based on common law, which has no ability to work on a national level.

00:38:40.420 And all of the rights enshrined in the Bill of Rights are actually duties.

00:38:45.500 It wasn't a right to own arms in royal England.

00:38:48.880 It was a duty.

00:38:49.600 And if you've ever read Robin Hood and you read about the archery competitions, those were mandated.

00:38:55.700 You had to own weapons and practice with them.

00:38:58.420 If you were a yeoman, to be part of the king's army, you were required not only to own weapons but to be proficient and to be part of the army.

00:39:06.060 The founding fathers viewed that as – again, everything they said, every right was supposed to be coupled with the responsibility.

00:39:12.780 And thankfully, they realized they failed.

00:39:15.800 They did nothing to stop it when they realized they failed.

00:39:18.780 They couldn't.

00:39:19.780 The banking powers had already taken over. 0.65

00:39:21.660 But even Jefferson, the whiggest of the whigs, figured out that he'd screwed up by the end of his life. 1.00

00:39:26.620 Well, Jefferson was in France for most of the writing of the Constitution.

00:39:32.420 That was mostly Madison and Hamilton.

00:39:35.600 And he was back and forth, anti-federalist, federalist.

00:39:38.900 And the reason that I got so deep into the anti-federalist years ago was because there was this huge faction of patriots.

00:39:46.020 George Mason and Patrick Henry and Melanchthon Smith and the guys who ran Shays' Rebellion, the Whiskey Rebellion, who refused – who rejected the Constitution.

00:39:58.780 Remember, the education of the time, late 18th century, was Greek and Roman.

00:40:05.100 That's what these guys were steeped in from the minute they were born.

00:40:09.040 We're not.

00:40:09.500 So, you know, we're so separated from that whole mentality to just pick up the Bible or to pick up the Constitution or the Federalist Papers, for that matter, is extremely presumptuous.

00:40:19.640 You have to know the context in which these words were uttered, and they don't.

00:40:24.800 Right.

00:40:25.580 Speaking of nominalism and Hobbesianism, I mean, to read the Federalist Papers is just shocking once you've come to understand these concepts.

00:40:34.700 I mean, what they're talking about as regards to their solution to the problem of faction that everyone recognizes is the plague of democracies is to say, okay, we're going to have a whole bunch of factions so that all of these interests will be competing with each other and they'll cancel each other out.

00:40:54.080 It's like seeing society as some sort of Brownian motion of atomic elements bouncing into each other.

00:41:02.700 Right.

00:41:05.480 Federalist 10.

00:41:06.300 That's exactly what Madison's argument was.

00:41:08.240 The country's so big, there's not going to be one power ever strong enough to overtake a coalition of others.

00:41:16.120 And, of course, he was dead wrong.

00:41:17.580 But it's not his fault that he was dead wrong.

00:41:19.320 He couldn't possibly have seen the conglomerate massive media power, stuff like that.

00:41:24.100 He couldn't possibly have seen that.

00:41:25.660 However, the Anti-Federalists said that this kind of thing is possible.

00:41:28.400 So – and I became fascinated with the Anti-Federalists because they actually predicted this stuff in the late 18th century of all things.

00:41:35.320 They predicted the IRS.

00:41:37.780 You know, there were prophets.

00:41:40.080 And that goes back to the thing where the Federalists, they made this country with common law because they couldn't have predicted the fact that we'd become an empire.

00:41:48.940 We would need Roman law. 0.90

00:41:49.980 We would need civil law.

00:41:51.040 And common law has been an instrumental tool, although the Jewish clans who have taken over Europe, they took over civil law nations just as easily. 1.00

00:42:01.800 But they took over America through wantonly interpreting our common law through Kabbalah. 0.99

00:42:08.560 And common law is quite susceptible to that because it's based off of norms.

00:42:12.300 It's based off of interpretations.

00:42:14.780 And it's supposed to be – it's supposed to be communal.

00:42:17.940 It's supposed to be soft and at the leisure of the judge who's supposed to have a certain measure of mercy in his judgments.

00:42:27.600 It's supposed to be a small, local thing.

00:42:30.780 And the problem is they ran away with it.

00:42:33.680 They absolutely ate our country.

00:42:35.140 Yeah, well, that's absolutely correct.

00:42:38.500 And, I mean, this brings us into the next point is that, I mean, common law presumes a communal Christian worldview and ethic.

00:42:48.560 That's the context in which it developed in Western Europe.

00:42:51.500 And so without, you know, everybody – without every one of the jurors sort of being of one mind, you know, in conciliarity, et cetera, you know, there's not one standard of common law justice that they can be applied to.

00:43:07.680 And this is the thing is that any conception of law requires a conception of ethics and requires, as Father Johnson has pointed out, a metaphysical claim about the end of man and a substantiation that the common good is actually the most desirable outcome for civil society.

00:43:32.160 And so, you know, any legal system is going to be framed by definition around its particular conception of justice, which is a transcendental virtue, which means it's necessarily religious.

00:43:51.380 Ultimately, every action, every act, every theory of ethics, every legal concept ultimately has to be based on what man's purpose is.

00:44:01.020 If you keep asking why, you'll finally end up with, you know, man has a purpose.

00:44:10.240 You know, why be happy? Why should we help the poor? Why should we help sick people?

00:44:14.700 What difference does it make whether they die or not?

00:44:16.960 You know, ultimately, you're going to get down to religious conception. You have no choice.

00:44:19.940 Right, exactly. Oh, and this is, I think, the one of the brilliances of the Christian religion is that that metaphysical conception is a person, you know, a flesh and blood man that even, you know, anybody can relate to Christ.

00:44:39.380 You know, you don't need a metaphysical, you know, a metaphysical, you know, education to understand a good father or, you know, a man.

00:44:51.800 A child doesn't, you know, he doesn't go through this deep, logical, ontological theory that he has to write out on paper to explain why he loves his family.

00:45:00.620 He just does. And that's, that's, I think, what you mean.

00:45:04.920 Right, precisely.

00:45:07.520 Right, and this is, and this is what I wanted to get back to, was that to discuss, you know, the application of law, I don't, I don't think that it's, you know, possible to remove this religious framework and this familial framework from our minds as the presupposition.

00:45:23.580 Because this is how our ancestors practiced this law, you know, Roman or Christian or otherwise or both.

00:45:30.960 Savage, did you have something you wanted to add?

00:45:34.180 A couple of things. First of all, I just wanted to make a note that when we speak of common law, no matter what the context of that common law is,

00:45:43.860 what we're really talking about is a form of customary law, an ethnic, tribal, custom-based law.

00:45:54.460 And in the Western European context, all of these come from the customs of the Germanic tribes who converted to Christianity.

00:46:02.420 And so what we have in common law is a Christianized pagan, in the cultural sense, ethic and ethos of a particular tribe.

00:46:16.920 And then also, as far as the importance of justice, I mean, we give a lot of lip service to justice in this country,

00:46:26.380 but I don't think very many people will realize what justice is.

00:46:31.120 I mean, you know, and the idea that we seem to have, thanks to, well, a certain somebody giving us this idea

00:46:42.400 that law can be some sort of machine with a given input, you know, giving a decided output.

00:46:50.620 But that's just, that's, that's completely inimical, completely 180 degrees opposite of the entire concept of justice, right?

00:47:00.720 That's why you have a judge in the first place, is to someone to say, okay, okay, okay, what happened?

00:47:07.680 Now, what is the custom?

00:47:09.040 Now, how do we apply that custom to these facts in a way that is consistent with justice to individuals and the community?

00:47:22.960 And I don't know why, but that line of thinking just seems to be alien to most people these days.

00:47:31.960 Yeah, and it melds nicely with civil law, too, in that they aren't necessarily, they occupy different spheres.

00:47:40.900 It's a matter of scale.

00:47:42.320 Civil law is what happens when you have an area that comprises multiple different commons,

00:47:48.860 multiple different areas that have their own common laws.

00:47:51.680 And civil law has very simple, very vague, but very extreme laws, like ape shall not kill ape.

00:47:57.020 These things are uncontestably true, but on common law areas, it, it, it deals with matters of discretion,

00:48:04.920 where it's matters like of neglect, of failure of duty, these things, where circumstances allow for possibly clemency, possibly judgment,

00:48:17.160 and it, it falls to the community to decide.

00:48:19.880 It's all a matter of scale, and we've lost all terms of scale.

00:48:22.620 Every single decision now is a civil decision.

00:48:27.020 All very good and essential points.

00:48:35.020 I mean, back to Savage's point, the, I mean, the purpose of the grand jury was to go out

00:48:42.960 and to investigate in the world what law was being broken and what those circumstances were

00:48:49.720 and to find out if a person was guilty or not of breaking that law.

00:48:53.900 You know, this is, this is the, the, for the United States legal frameworks especially,

00:49:00.280 this was sort of the heart and center of the criminal justice system in this country,

00:49:03.820 was that there would be a robust body of the people who would be able to discern and determine on a case-by-case basis

00:49:14.060 if there was injustice or not.

00:49:16.420 And this is where the whole, the whole idea of jury nullification comes from,

00:49:20.300 that a jury can say in a particular instance that there is a law that might have been broken formally, civilly, you could say,

00:49:27.860 but justice, injustice had not been performed, so a person could not be tried or convicted under this law,

00:49:35.020 and this made the law unjust fundamentally.

00:49:36.540 It's a difference between the inquisitorial system and the adversarial system.

00:49:45.680 Anomalism has gutted out in, in America. 0.79

00:49:48.460 I mean, I hate the adversarial system.

00:49:50.000 I've been involved in it.

00:49:51.420 It is, it implies that there really is no justice.

00:49:54.560 There is no state of affairs that's just in and of itself.

00:49:57.320 It's just that if we provide the proper procedures, there's a better chance of there to be an outcome that's less horrible than if we didn't.

00:50:08.720 That's what it comes down to in, in the Western world.

00:50:12.480 Well, yeah, they, they use the specter of the Hatfields and McCoys.

00:50:15.180 Do you want clan wars?

00:50:16.200 This is how we get clan wars. 1.00

00:50:17.540 This is how you get unresolved tension and this and that.

00:50:20.200 It's, it's, it's a, it's a boogeyman that frankly is not, communities have handled themselves amicably in the past.

00:50:26.320 Why can't they do it in the future?

00:50:30.020 And, uh, maybe I'm, uh, you know, wrong here, but, uh, to me, if the choice is between a monstrous machine of law applying, you know, one size fits all civil law everywhere,

00:50:48.000 or a customary system that occasionally results in, uh, uh, outbursts of, of intercommunal violence, then I have to go with the latter.

00:50:59.280 You know, I mean, human nature is, is fundamentally tragic.

00:51:03.940 Uh, I will note that, um, the problem in intercommunal violence was why monarchy was seen as the most workable solution, uh, by most, uh, uh, philosophers of politics.

00:51:17.940 Uh, right up until the early modern era, because that's what the monarch was, was the man who was above individual communities, uh, not a member of any particular community, but of the whole people.

00:51:33.160 And so he, he could be the father who could step in and say, okay, now children, let's, let's, let's calm down.

00:51:39.220 Uh, and the implication is that he's more powerful than any of those communities or any combination of those communities.

00:51:48.380 Yeah, just so, uh, and, and, or more powerful than any particular great interest and then any particular.

00:51:55.480 That's what I mean.

00:51:56.220 That's what I mean.

00:51:56.800 Yeah.

00:51:57.280 Right.

00:51:57.640 Yeah.

00:51:58.980 Not, not, not just communities in the bottom up organic sense, but, you know, any particular, uh, landed aristocrat who might have a,

00:52:06.780 uh, uh, uh, an idea in his head about, uh, something that he's owed.

00:52:14.120 Unfortunately, we all come from the English tradition.

00:52:16.020 So we, we are raised with stories about monarchy being unstable because England was overturned time and time again by landed barons, moneyed interests.

00:52:25.980 Um, at one point, some awful human being with, um, the backing of a bunch of unscrupulous bankers behind him who, um, committed regicide and later enslaved Ireland.

00:52:37.660 Well, if anyone does any research into what the family law system does to men and does to families, there is no conceivable system.

00:52:47.880 There's no conceivable tyranny that could be worse than that.

00:52:50.860 I mean, that's really the answer to any of these questions, uh, against, against monarchy or against the traditional form of things.

00:52:56.080 I've been through it.

00:52:57.180 Um, in my case, I did okay.

00:52:59.040 Well, because I didn't have a lawyer actually is the reason, but, um, uh, you know, you read horror stories every day and these are true and this happens hundreds of thousands of times a week.

00:53:08.800 Uh, so yeah, maybe there's not, uh, a machine gun on every roof, but you have destroyed men and abandoned children on a daily basis.

00:53:17.880 Right. Well, I think that's, that's a subject that perhaps, um, um, uh, almost most of our listeners could, uh, relate to the divorce rates being so high as what they are these days.

00:53:31.120 I think most people, uh, can, can testify to that reality on a personal level or at the very minimum, no men in their life, uh, in their lives who have been, um, destroyed or greatly wounded by the, uh, injustice of family courts.

00:53:44.620 And then there's not a whole lot of ways to complain because they had this procedures offered to them.

00:53:54.000 Procedure may have been rigged and everything else, but they had the procedure offered to them.

00:53:57.440 Therefore, whatever happens is, that's just how it is.

00:54:02.740 Right.

00:54:04.320 So the kind of getting back to, to the, the issue of, um, criminal law and the state, the, we talked a little bit about the king.

00:54:14.620 His whole role as being the mediator, being, um, the force, which is able to, um, direct and harmonize and order the competing appendages of the body of the nation into a orderly functioning whole directed rationally by a single head towards one direction or end, which is at the very minimum, the common good.

00:54:40.080 And so the whole purpose, uh, reason for a king seems to me, uh, justice itself to enforce the law.

00:54:49.820 I believe St. Isidore says that it is to, uh, enforce, uh, to coerce evildoers through the use of fear.

00:54:56.240 That sounds correct. I, I don't, I don't happen to, to, um, be able to affirm that exactly, but that sounds right.

00:55:08.160 Yeah. That's a common early medieval view. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty sure. Pretty, very correct. 1.00

00:55:12.340 Also, we have two English phrases to, um, bulwark your theme. It's the king's law and the king's English.

00:55:17.880 Right. Precisely. And, and, and the king's peace, which is a concept we've almost entirely lost, but the, the idea that the king is the guarantee, guarantor of peace between, uh, individual members of a community and between communities themselves, uh, is, uh, is, is deeply embedded in the customary law of, uh, of England.

00:55:43.320 And, and I would argue almost all Western Europe, traditional Western European states. Uh, and, you know, if, if you were to, you know, imagine yourself in, I don't know, uh, 1500 or so England, and you walked into a tavern and you said, there's a highway man on the king's highway disturbing the king's peace.

00:56:03.380 You know, everyone would, would, would, would, would, would, would, would say, uh, essentially what amounts to, oh, hell no, not in our town. And they would write out with you to deal with it because, um, uh, uh, the, the, the, it was the duty of, of every Englishman to, uh, enforce the peace of the king.

00:56:27.720 Um, um, go ahead.

00:56:31.600 That's what gets to the heart of it. The king, the king was the defender of the commons. The king was the defender of the, the little cracks between everything that it was. He was the defender of everything that actually functioned, everything that people took for granted. He was the, the Lord of the commons and his, his might was the guarantor of everything that was the status quo.

00:56:53.660 And his opposition was the aristocratic clans. I don't care where you go in history, in, in Europe, uh, Russia, of course, I know better of all, there was simply, there was simply two options. Either you have a very strong honore or you have oligarchy.

00:57:09.820 You know, Ivan the Terrible, um, clamped down hard on the aristocracy because they had private armies. They had their own intelligence. Um, they, they, they were, they were states within states.

00:57:21.960 And they had, they didn't have any conception of the common good. They were, they were, you know, they were simply local powers. Uh, he had to, um, create the opportunity and, and the, his own militias, uh, to, to overcome this, this, uh, fractionalization.

00:57:36.960 In, in, in Western Russia, you had, uh, the Novgorod oligarchs who were going to convert to Catholicism and go over to Poland to protect their, their property.

00:57:46.180 And this is why, uh, Ivan the Third and Ivan the Fourth both invaded the area.

00:57:50.640 Oligarchs are, are, are, you know, they have no principles. Monarch, uh, is nothing but principle.

00:57:56.500 This has been the feature in European life. Unfortunately, for the last, what, I don't know, 100 years, oligarchy has ruled, um, unchallenged.

00:58:05.940 Why do you think that this is the case? Why do we find this dialectic manifesting itself throughout European history?

00:58:15.880 Well, you think of, um, Renaissance Florence. Medici bankers became insanely wealthy.

00:58:22.780 When they controlled, when they bought, essentially, the Republic, they made certain that the old methods, the old voting, the old, uh, debates and everything else was unchanged.

00:58:35.440 This is why Machiavelli wrote what he, wrote what he did. They're not going to go in public and say, we run everything.

00:58:41.860 No one would accept that. So the Medici stayed in the background and they acted like puppeteers.

00:58:48.420 It's, it's so easy for them to pull the wool over people's eyes, to show the image that everything is still the same, even though, and give the, give the image of debate.

00:58:57.880 No one wants to be an outcast. No one wants to be an outlier. Um, and as centuries have gone on, they become better and better at this.

00:59:05.860 That's the whole, you know, psychology and sociology there, you know, they know how to manipulate people.

00:59:09.960 They know how to get people to think, um, you know, being, being called conspiracy theorists and everything else.

00:59:15.060 I mean, this is how power is maintained. Uh, over the years, the oligarchical clans have, have learned, um, uh, how to convince the world that, yeah, these are free elections and, and speech matters and assembly matters.

00:59:27.480 And we don't really run everything. We're victims too. And it started, I think with the, uh, Medici's in Florence, they made sure that the old Republican system remained, but they controlled everything.

00:59:38.620 Indeed. And the, the problem is also they, the idea of avarice, human avarice, they offer money too cheaply. They offer, and of course, money is just a, a shorthand for wealth.

00:59:49.000 And what is wealth? Wealth is food. It is, it is clothing. It is housing. It's all of the, the things in life that are necessary and possibly also things that are good, better food, better wine, this and that.

01:00:03.660 And they, they offer these things to people and they offer them without any cost. And the question that prudent people should have asked is, how did you get this?

01:00:11.240 Did you, did you raise these cattle? Did you brew this, um, this beer or wine? Did you do this? Did you build these walls? And of course they didn't. How did they get this? Well, through fraud.

01:00:23.720 Well, through usury. If you control the money, you know, you're constantly taking a piece of everything that happens. That's, that's what happens when the financial sector controls everything.

01:00:32.580 Well, isn't that the thing? That's the, uh, Nathaniel Rothschild quote, I believe.

01:00:36.980 I'd like to make a distinction here between what, uh, uh, maybe it's not a, um, a, a, a, a proper distinction, but I, when I say, uh, aristocracy, uh, what I mean by that is, um, a military aristocracy in particular of the old feudal order, uh, that, that was, um, uh,

01:01:06.980 martial in nature, that was, uh, chains of military service, uh, from, from, from vassal to lord and from, uh, uh, and in turn all the way up to the king, uh, and, and that this aristocracy was, was just, in fact, a pillar of justice.

01:01:24.180 Uh, but, uh, starting in the late medieval era and rapidly accelerating with the renaissance, you saw two things happen, uh, one of which was the rise of what I tend to call the oligarchy proper, which is, um, money power without any martial virtue whatsoever, just power through money directly.

01:01:49.520 And also you saw a sort of, um, uh, a process over time whereby families that used to be martially virtuous, that used to be proper aristocrats, uh, became, uh, obsessed, uh, addicted to the, the pleasures that wealth could bring.

01:02:10.140 And so slowly essentially corrupted themselves into an oligarchy.

01:02:15.540 Um, this doesn't happen overnight.

01:02:19.600 It's a long drawn out process, but, uh, once it got started, it was very difficult to stop.

01:02:24.240 And if I don't think, I, I, I can't think of any examples where it was stopped entirely off the top of my head.

01:02:30.120 I just, I just did an Orthodox nationalist podcast on Emperor Paul the first, who was murdered by the oligarchs in 1801.

01:02:36.480 His mother, Catherine II and Catherine Gray, had issued the Charter of Nobility, which released the noble class from service, usually military service, but it could also be, um, bureaucratic, things like that.

01:02:50.640 That meant that they could hold serfs and have all this wealth with no service to the common good.

01:02:55.800 It was an absolute outrage.

01:02:58.020 These people, and, and, and they had, they had the right to a trial of their peers.

01:03:01.200 In other words, their friends were the only ones who could, who could judge them.

01:03:04.080 Um, it was very much a Magna Carta in the worst possible sense.

01:03:08.280 When Paul the first took over, his first action was to tear it up and say, you will serve the common good.

01:03:17.320 Um, he controls, uh, how much they could exploit serfs.

01:03:22.340 He, he made war.

01:03:23.740 He banned the Masonic Lodge, uh, where these oligarchs had begun to gather.

01:03:27.620 Um, he did reverse it for a short period of time.

01:03:32.420 He was very popular with the commoners as a result, but due to his alliance with Napoleon, um, the British and the oligarchs, uh, murdered him in 1801.

01:03:42.360 Um, and, um, they issued the famous, he was insane, he was crazy nonsense, which only recently has been, um, refuted.

01:03:51.200 That's, that's actually a very similar story to what happened earlier in France, where the, uh, the late Anxian regime, the noble class exempted itself from all of its previous martial duties, financial duties, even duties owed to the peasants who lived on their land.

01:04:08.640 Right?

01:04:09.700 They just, they, they, they, they usurped, uh, uh, uh, all, all, all customary law unto themselves and set themselves up as essentially petty kings, uh, over their own autonomous little, um, manorial systems.

01:04:26.220 Well, the only justification for being able to control serfs is that you yourself was a servant, the monarch, that you also had to serve.

01:04:35.580 They didn't have to anymore, and it's not like they started studying Aristotle.

01:04:39.680 They, they, they were indolent. 0.97

01:04:40.680 They became useless after that. 0.95

01:04:42.920 And so when Paul took over, um, he forced them, and that's why he was murdered. 0.91

01:04:47.760 Uh, it's an absolute outrage.

01:04:49.520 The only justification for that kind of privilege is that they also had to work and had to do military service, which they were often killed.

01:04:58.360 But when you, when you remove that, remove them from service, the balance is completely upset.

01:05:03.060 Well, it's the, it's the entire basis of unjust rulership.

01:05:08.440 It's leadership without accountability.

01:05:09.880 It's power without accountability.

01:05:11.460 It, it, it, that's the entire basis of everything wrong with our society is power without accountability.

01:05:16.840 People don't realize that tyranny, at least in the American context, doesn't come from the state.

01:05:25.680 It comes from the private sector.

01:05:27.960 Uh, I still think that there's such a prejudice where people don't realize how much power, you know, corporations, conglomerates have in a political sense.

01:05:34.240 That the only tyranny can come from the state.

01:05:38.020 And that, that prejudice is, is, is taking a long time to die.

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01:09:16.160 As we've identified already, the theological principles which underpin your worldview, these are necessary to have clearly in mind before we can talk about what the end of law is.

01:09:40.520 So all legal systems are in that sense religious.

01:09:42.440 So the question I would ask explicitly is what are these principles of Christian law which we see actually implemented after the conversion of Rome?

01:09:52.340 Well, one of the most obvious principles that leaves to mind is that no customary law or in fact even civil law can be justified if it contravenes directly the revealed divine law.

01:10:17.060 Right. Well, I suppose that this is the critical denominator is that, yeah, as you say, Christianity has this revealed divine...

01:10:29.060 I guess positive is not exactly the right word to use, although for us it can sometimes seem, you know, to our fallen human minds, God's commandments and God's law can seem kind of mysterious and incomprehensible.

01:10:46.060 But that's just it. I mean, I was discussing this with somebody the other day, you know, for instance, I talked about it on a podcast and actually inspired somebody to do quite a bit of soul searching.

01:10:56.060 It was like the Christian view is that, you know, death is that death is not actually natural to the world, whereas pagan and purely materialist views would say that the opposite, that death is the most natural part of the world, corruption is inherent and so on.

01:11:11.400 Well, in the book of Genesis, you know, death came into the world to limit sin. You know, it's why nations came into the world.

01:11:23.680 You know, there isn't just one person who can control the entire planet, that his sins become universal, or that a sinner can live, you know, forever and sin infinitely.

01:11:34.080 Death came into existence to limit the spread of sin, and that's a punishment for the transgression.

01:11:41.400 Yeah, precisely. Precisely. And so I guess I would, I think that for us, I mean, the, when we look at ancient political philosophy, we see that the aim of the state in Plato's Republic is justice.

01:11:59.660 And this sort of sets the standard, I would, I would say for every other, every other statesman in that kind of Greco-Roman tradition, that that is the conception of the common good as justice.

01:12:14.360 And we can see this, and we can see this, of course, you know, specifically appropriated by Thomas Aquinas and so on.

01:12:22.900 But I would, I would ask the question, you know, what is Christian justice?

01:12:29.660 I know that, I think Thomas Aquinas defines it as everybody having what is owed to them.

01:12:34.860 That's, that's, that's a workable definition. I've certainly used it myself.

01:12:42.660 I would go farther and say justice is, is fundamentally linked at the hip with order.

01:12:53.600 And so you can't have justice. You can't have everyone receiving that which they are owed without every, everyone also having their place and being in it, knowing your place and being there, I think has to be part of it.

01:13:10.700 Yeah, you can't, this is, I was just going to say that it's basic functionalism for any society, I don't even care, primitive societies, you can't do everything.

01:13:20.160 You can't make shoes and build houses. You know, there, there has to be a division of labor and that these crafts, which really the forms are based on, these crafts exist in every society.

01:13:32.560 And, uh, they have their own internal rules of excellence and their own hierarchies and politics is arranging them in such a way that they're, that they're rationally put together.

01:13:44.900 And it's why Plato says, at least in the early dialogues, um, justice is everyone minding their own business.

01:13:51.360 And this is something that's tortured me my whole life.

01:13:54.320 You know, people who, people who read a pamphlet on, on, on, on Russia starting to lecture me on it, you know, um, just stay in your own area.

01:14:01.380 What is it that you do well? What can you, what's your vocation, in other words?

01:14:05.640 And stick to that.

01:14:07.360 And everyone does that.

01:14:09.180 Um, the, the, the, the chance of, of an unjust, uh, situation are very, very low.

01:14:15.600 Uh, and knowing your place is class rule, but they're not defining class by income like Americans do.

01:14:22.580 They mean function.

01:14:24.620 And functions are all equal, one to another.

01:14:27.720 Uh, you know, just like the human body.

01:14:29.480 Uh, lung is, is no less important than, than my kneecap, you know?

01:14:35.320 Uh, so, uh, how these are arranged, the very definition of politics, and that everyone does what they're supposed to do within that, for the sake of the common good, is the ultimate purpose, you know, secular purpose of the policy.

01:14:46.860 And the, the result should be justice.

01:14:48.860 Uh, I'm very glad you mentioned that.

01:14:52.700 You know, that meaning of, that use of, of the word politics is very foreign, I think, to the modern mind.

01:14:59.860 Uh, it's, it's, uh, to, to the modern mind, politics is this sort of adjudication between competing interest groups.

01:15:07.820 And that's not at all what these early jurists, these early philosophers were talking about at, at all.

01:15:13.500 It, just as you say, it's, um, it's, it's, uh, uh, right order according to right reason.

01:15:19.840 That was James Madison's view of, uh, politics, is proper adjudication.

01:15:26.480 Um, when everything, you know, in modern America, every aspect of human life is subject to regulation and therefore is political.

01:15:34.560 And that's the very definition of totalitarianism, where everything, including what goes on in the bedroom, you know, the feminists want, uh, cameras installed to make sure that there's no, no rape or no beatings of women in the bedroom. 1.00

01:15:47.020 Um, I've read this too many times.

01:15:49.420 Everything's subject for political regulation.

01:15:52.380 And that's a very new idea.

01:15:55.180 And with the, the idea of specialization, like what, let's say you have seven sons and or daughters and they or their husbands become, one becomes a doctor, one becomes a lawyer.

01:16:04.560 One becomes a, um, a roofer, one becomes a butcher, one becomes this.

01:16:09.960 And that used to be the way families did it. 0.77

01:16:11.240 Is that communism?

01:16:12.160 I don't think it's communism.

01:16:13.360 If they look out for you and you look out for them, they look out for their siblings.

01:16:16.920 That's except in the modern world we're first to live in that.

01:16:20.420 That's essentially communism.

01:16:22.300 Although nobody's unhappy.

01:16:24.360 Nobody's miserable.

01:16:25.800 It's this cooperation and everything has its place and you're happy to do things for your family.

01:16:32.340 How, how, how is that?

01:16:33.260 I don't get the connection.

01:16:34.560 Why would that, what I want to, this is communism.

01:16:36.440 I don't, I don't get it.

01:16:37.500 There's only two places where to each according their needs from everyone according to their abilities, uh, works in a way that, that isn't unjust.

01:16:48.200 And those two places are, of course, the family.

01:16:50.820 And I would argue, uh, the army.

01:16:52.860 Right, and the, the, the thing is the absolute objectivist, the Ayn Rand style person says that your, your sibling should charge you for, for medical advice and you should charge them for, um, for making them clothing.

01:17:07.400 Right, you know, and they make the argument, well, you know, if you really love them, this would secure the lowest market value possible for the, the good or service, which is really in their long-term interest.

01:17:18.820 And so on.

01:17:20.220 But yeah, I mean, going back to this conception, well, for me, the thing that, that Jum said is the ancient state or the, is conceived of as a body, as an organism.

01:17:31.480 You know, as, as, as this, this, uh, integrated, cohesive, uh, whole, which needed to be sustained and fed just like any other organism, which was specialized but operated in cooperation with one another.

01:17:47.360 And in this, if we think about, uh, corporatism, of course, the word, you know, uh, corporate comes from, uh, corpus, body, you know, describing the very same phenomenon.

01:17:57.880 And so Mosley, Oswald Mosley, uh, in his 100 questions asked and answered about fascism, kind of lays out the system of social corporatism that he envisions for England.

01:18:09.460 And it essentially is, as you described, Dr. Johnson, a system of class rule, whereby the majority of internal regulation is performed by occupational, uh, corporations, essentially, um, you know, councils, soboros.

01:18:24.700 And the, the, the upper house is composed of the sort of, uh, elected representative of each of these specialized, um, arms or classes of society.

01:18:34.860 And they, together.

01:18:36.040 And that, that comes from George William Frederick Hegel's, um, philosophy of right.

01:18:40.460 He did my master's thesis on that.

01:18:42.680 Uh, that is the state for him.

01:18:45.020 Uh, everyone, you know, has their own function.

01:18:47.720 And then that upper house is based not on population, but on your functional group.

01:18:52.480 But these functional groups have to be equal.

01:18:55.060 Now, in, in Hegel's case, there are really only three.

01:18:57.220 I think there should be more than that.

01:18:59.100 But the concept is identical.

01:19:00.420 But he was the first one in modern life to, to, uh, lay that out as a principle of politics.

01:19:05.940 Nothing sets my teeth on edge more than one of these yahoos on the internet who thinks they're so edumacated that use the word corporatism to refer to rule by multinational joint stock corporations. 0.99

01:19:20.280 Yeah, plutocracy, yeah.

01:19:21.940 And you see them use the Mussolini quote that facism is the merging of corporate and private interests.

01:19:27.480 And it's just like, okay, please.

01:19:31.180 Yeah.

01:19:32.800 It's such a lack of education.

01:19:34.660 And it's, um, uh, it's like the term private property.

01:19:38.860 You know, in Karl Marx, it doesn't refer to your, your toothbrush.

01:19:42.020 Private property referred to productive capital, machinery, that kind of thing.

01:19:45.600 Right, yeah, exactly.

01:19:49.860 Well, and this, this is just it.

01:19:51.020 And it's, um, it's unfortunate because this is, you know, the, the, the level of general, of the general population in regard to politics is about the level of high school students.

01:20:01.060 You know, that's, that's, that's as deep as they get into it, frankly.

01:20:04.220 Well, and then that, that's just more of an argument that, you know, we shouldn't expect anything more than that because they have other jobs.

01:20:11.640 They have other areas that actually aren't eligible.

01:20:14.440 For, um, you know, I actually have a, go on, please.

01:20:18.260 Uh, well, uh, I was just going to say that that's the, ultimately, like, the, the, the fundamental issue with this idea of, uh, uh, uh, uh, participatory citizen-based republic in the vision of the founders.

01:20:35.600 Is that it relied on a highly educated, highly, um, cultivated, um, elite class who were interested directly in the affairs of state, uh, being privileged to, to then, to, to run the state.

01:20:53.780 But that's not what we have.

01:20:57.380 Yeah, if I wasn't clear enough in my, my illustration before, the, the thing is, your family, if you, people, natural people, non-Randians, wouldn't protest against your family specializing to defend your family's own interests and branch out.

01:21:13.620 What happens when it's your extended family to town, this and that?

01:21:15.940 And actually, when, with doctors and lawyers, we can see that the state took such an interest in them.

01:21:19.960 Doctors and lawyers were civic positions, and this is why they always had prestige, but not that much money.

01:21:26.120 It's only once both positions became sort of, um, popular among the, the, um, Hebraic invasion class that they became profitable.

01:21:36.360 Lawyers never made that much money, neither doctors prior to the, the invasion of the Hebraic class. 1.00

01:21:41.920 And in most of the world, they are not wealthy people like they are in America.

01:21:46.360 Well, and money was never that important prior to this, this, this enthronement of usury in our societies.

01:21:54.560 Uh, Europe was not a monetary economy until quite late, historically speaking.

01:22:01.760 You know, most, most neighborhood interactions would be barter, essentially, or, or, or, or, or more, more likely than even barter, trade of favors, a sort of honor economy, a gift economy.

01:22:15.560 And you can't do that unless you have, uh, firm bonds among people, uh, a common language in the broad sense of the term, a common religion, a common everything.

01:22:25.720 You can't do that in, in, in a multicultural, uh, sewer. 1.00

01:22:28.200 That kind of thing can only happen in, in, in a national, uh, that's why Hegel was a nationalist.

01:22:33.640 It had to be, you know, that's where the culture kampf was in, in Prussia.

01:22:36.900 The concept was, without that kind of unity, without that kind of moral unity, you can't really have a functional nation.

01:22:42.540 That these functional groups, these corporate groups, um, really couldn't, uh, function at all unless you had a, a firmly entrenched, uh, singular national ethos that they all, uh, followed.

01:22:57.200 But without that, nothing, no, no political system is going to work.

01:23:02.240 Yeah, that's one of the reasons why doctors and leadership are held in such high esteem, because you knew you would need them someday.

01:23:08.180 And that was the entire, it was the basis of all society operated on their, their beck and call.

01:23:14.220 Although it, that was the, that was why it was a civic position.

01:23:17.360 It wasn't a profitable one.

01:23:18.740 And in, in a way it, it almost makes mafia, um, like godfather style things where I'll come for you for a favor one day.

01:23:27.040 Now that I've done this favor for you, it, the fact that that's more legitimate than our current governmental scheme is pretty saddening.

01:23:34.680 Oh, it is.

01:23:35.540 I, I, I never thought that, um, organized crime, uh, at least in his Italian version, was really all that terrible.

01:23:41.820 They never killed innocent people.

01:23:43.460 You went to them when everything else failed.

01:23:45.980 You went to them when the state failed you.

01:23:49.720 Well, and this is, um, there's a very, very interesting, um, lecture by, um, William S. Lind on the podcast Rebel Yell.

01:23:57.040 Where he talks about fourth generation warfare.

01:23:59.420 And this is one of the things that he says is a hallmark, um, of all fourth generation warfare groups.

01:24:04.440 Is that they gain power consummate to the inability of the state to fulfill that role.

01:24:08.760 And so classic examples are, like, street gangs, um, you know, whether it's the Mexican mafia or, uh, the mob.

01:24:16.420 But, of course, groups like, um, Hezbollah or Golden Dawn in Greece are all, or, um, you know, religious groups are all, in a sense, fourth generation warfare entities.

01:24:29.300 Because these become the primary, uh, they, they hold the primary loyalty of their members.

01:24:36.080 And they're providing social services as well.

01:24:38.260 Right.

01:24:38.580 Both of those, in fact, that you mentioned, do that.

01:24:41.720 And that's what happens when you have a state of such intense corruption that these groups have to come in.

01:24:46.740 I guess the ultimate, for me, the revolutionary idea is that, you know, we start creating these institutions of our own where we don't need the system anymore.

01:24:57.940 Slowly but surely, we can withdraw from mainstream life because we have our own institutions.

01:25:04.180 That the state and the corporate world becomes totally irrelevant to us because we have our own institutions.

01:25:09.460 This is the nature of revolution to me.

01:25:13.040 Well, yes.

01:25:13.800 And this is it.

01:25:14.460 And we've stated this beforehand on the show many times.

01:25:17.660 If our listeners want to go back in the archive and check out the podcast entitled, This is the Plan, we lay that out in, in some detail.

01:25:25.280 Um, but this is it.

01:25:26.680 Right.

01:25:26.920 I mean, we, we want to establish our, our own independent power structure, uh, separate from the state and reduce the power that our enemies have over us at the same time.

01:25:36.360 So, and that the way this will be done is by establishing justice.

01:25:44.360 Nothing will be more attractive to the, uh, shall we say normie than, uh, someone who can provide them with justice when the state has failed to do so.

01:25:57.180 Uh, but of course, in order to provide justice, first, you must have the capability, you know, so, uh, it's going to take a lot of work, a lot of preparation.

01:26:06.360 And our parts to be able to step into, to, to provide that.

01:26:10.740 Well, a good example might be like this, you know, when the anarcho tyranny gets to the point where, um, you know, child rapists are, are walking, are walking free.

01:26:19.800 And in fact, you know, they're, they're actually, um, rewarded for their behavior, which we're approaching.

01:26:27.180 You know, the, uh, you know, it will get to a point that those groups who are willing to throw these people off of rooftops will be celebrated by everyday citizenry.

01:26:36.420 Um, and, you know, the willingness to engage in that kind of behavior will, will gain a lot of positive clout and attraction.

01:26:44.840 You know, however.

01:26:45.580 And the ability to defend those people from arrest.

01:26:47.700 That, that's it precisely.

01:26:49.180 And then the question becomes, you know, can their force be legitimized, right?

01:26:53.620 Can these people do this and then not face repercussion from the state?

01:26:56.880 And then once that, once they're able to do so, that's when they want, um, because they, they become the de facto state.

01:27:04.080 And this is why, you know, the government, as you say, while our liberalism can only get more and more totalitarian.

01:27:09.900 Because that's the only way that it can maintain its, its power, its control, is that it has to crack down on every single angle of, um, every single area of life that's not under the domain and purview of the state.

01:27:23.260 Or else, you know, we win, essentially.

01:27:26.880 Well, as of right now, uh, Jewish organized crime, so-called Russian organized crime, functions, uh, out in the open with very little consequence.

01:27:34.780 And this is because, uh, Jews will never turn another Jew over to the FBI. 0.93

01:27:42.180 Uh, they've actually succeeded in this.

01:27:44.760 And so, like it or not, there are examples.

01:27:47.960 I'm not talking about criminal groups.

01:27:49.740 But for a Jew to hand in another Jew to the FBI, the consequences of that man are dire. 0.79

01:27:54.960 They become ro-death, uh, pursuer.

01:27:58.060 They become, they become, uh, uh, anathematized.

01:28:00.960 And that's why these groups, they're far more powerful than the Italians ever were.

01:28:04.900 Well, at the very least, they need a special dispensation.

01:28:07.260 Jared Fogel was turned in.

01:28:09.300 But he, he lives more comfortably than any other man I've ever read about in prison.

01:28:13.760 Yeah, I just posted something, uh, where, where, uh, the guy who beat him up has been celebrated in there.

01:28:19.360 He went to the hole, but, but still.

01:28:22.500 You know, well, heroic action.

01:28:24.300 Heroic action.

01:28:25.540 Well, and this is it, right?

01:28:26.700 And this is, you know, really what we have to, you know, put the question to our listeners.

01:28:30.160 You know, how many of your friends and family, if, if Jared Fogel, um, you know, went free,

01:28:35.100 and the victims were forced to pay a fine for character defamation, how many normies would, would cheer, um, you know, at the band who, who took his life?

01:28:48.880 Another example would be the rooftop Koreans in 1992. 0.99

01:28:52.760 I watched it on TV, uh, during the LA riots.

01:28:56.340 Um, these, uh, the blacks marched almost in formation to Koreatown. 0.98

01:29:00.800 Uh, the Koreans broke into a local gun store and took up positions on the roof. 0.93

01:29:05.800 They were arrested for, uh, legal ownership of weapons and everything else.

01:29:10.800 Um, they had every right to be there.

01:29:12.940 They had every right to break into that store.

01:29:14.980 Private property did not exist at that moment for that reason.

01:29:18.620 Um, and yet, you know, they still, they had to give in.

01:29:22.120 Our situation would be to do something like that and be able to hide, uh, be able to hide each other.

01:29:27.720 Right.

01:29:28.120 And, and this is the thing is, is that, um, we're in this tricky position because on the one hand, um, state, state power is still strong enough that they will, um, you know, Waco or Bundy Ranch you, uh, you know, if you openly oppose and defy their, their will.

01:29:47.100 Um, but, you know, at, you know, at the same time, the state is fracturing and growing, um, weaker and weaker, especially the federal enforcement authority, uh, all the time simply because of the disintegration of social trust.

01:30:01.440 And so, you know, and we're going to discuss this in our, in Kelly Yuga News, you know, I think the, the, it's, I think it's a question of payroll, right?

01:30:08.500 I mean, there's only so long, you know, you have to hold the liquid currency to pay the wages of your, of your, your mercenaries.

01:30:15.660 Well, here's the situation as of today.

01:30:18.580 Um, very, very soon, Russia and China are going to dump the dollar.

01:30:23.560 Actually, they're, they're, they've already done it.

01:30:25.100 They're doing it piecemeal for commodity exchanges.

01:30:29.240 The intermediary banks have just been established.

01:30:32.200 So this is not a theory.

01:30:33.400 This is going to happen.

01:30:34.320 Uh, that explains the military buildup on Russia's border.

01:30:38.360 Now, when that happens, uh, they're going to discharge their dollar, but they don't need anymore.

01:30:44.720 And the dollar will crunch.

01:30:47.340 Um, you know, this is pretty much inevitability.

01:30:50.440 Do we have the maturity and the ability to organize when things really hit the fan?

01:30:56.320 Because at that point, there'll be mass inflation.

01:30:58.920 Um, I have no idea what the contingency plan would be for the U.S. government other than to invade Russia, um, which they could never win such a battle, uh, which is, you know, that's the, that's the primary reason why there is this constant, you know, obsession with, with that country.

01:31:15.220 The S.C.O. is, is, this is happening.

01:31:17.740 The, I, I, I posted the, um, intermediary banks, Russo-Chinese intermediary banks are going to be, uh, the ones taking over all oil sales, commodity sales, gas sales, et cetera, steel between the two powers and between all members of the S.C.O., which, by the way, soon will include Turkey, which is going to be interesting.

01:31:35.640 And India and Pakistan, I just read.

01:31:38.060 Have suddenly, suddenly become allies against the U.S.

01:31:42.520 India wants to be a member of the S.C.O.

01:31:44.080 This is, this is a revolution.

01:31:45.160 That's why no one's talking about it.

01:31:46.600 It's the most powerful organization, the most powerful, the most, this is the hammer against the new world order.

01:31:51.440 Now, when that happens, the U.S. economy is going to crash.

01:31:56.680 Um, what are we going to do?

01:32:01.520 Well, that's it.

01:32:02.320 And we're going to get into the Kali Yuga news, you know, in depth in a moment.

01:32:05.740 But just while we have the time, I want to get into a couple of these topics.

01:32:08.460 So, um, terms like natural law and positive law are thrown around a lot.

01:32:14.620 And we can kind of see them in a sense as, um, opposites.

01:32:19.340 So, what is the difference between natural and positive law?

01:32:23.640 So, you don't like that topic, Florian?

01:32:27.740 Oh, no, I'm glad to discuss it.

01:32:29.360 But, uh, I just, I want to keep the podcast more organized.

01:32:33.520 And we're going to get into the Kali Yuga news where we can discuss geopolitics and so on.

01:32:36.840 In a moment, we're going to go through the Russia article and all that.

01:32:39.300 Well, the answer to the question is that natural law is foundational.

01:32:45.120 You can't go to jail for breaking natural law.

01:32:47.200 It's way too vague, way too general.

01:32:49.740 Positive law is just taking a little speck of natural law, writing it down on paper,

01:32:55.200 and having sanctions attached to it for breaking it.

01:32:59.880 Now, when I first read Aquinas on this, Cicero on this, it was maddening.

01:33:03.540 Because I was expecting policy prescriptions, not these very, very, very general terms.

01:33:11.340 And what I didn't realize at the time, when I first read this stuff,

01:33:14.680 was that the implication, the assumption that they're all making,

01:33:17.820 is that there are healthy communities already functioning

01:33:21.140 that have to have all this in common in order to be legitimate.

01:33:28.040 that the content of the law is being manifest on the local level, on the day-to-day level.

01:33:36.400 And when something does not adhere to it,

01:33:38.680 like, for example, you know, no society in the world has ever cheered for cowardice.

01:33:45.440 No society in the world has ever cheered for divorce, you know, except America.

01:33:49.900 You know, these are aspects of being human that you could find everywhere.

01:33:54.500 However, it's not just, you know, an empirical matter.

01:33:58.500 This is part of being a human being.

01:34:02.200 But we have law, positive law, is far more than just words on a page,

01:34:07.380 but also social sanction.

01:34:09.560 If you're a Spartan and you come home from battle with not a wound on you,

01:34:13.480 people are going to wonder what you did.

01:34:15.380 You know, did you run away?

01:34:17.500 You know, that was, so positive law could even be there.

01:34:19.740 Social sanction is even more important than the actual laws on paper.

01:34:22.840 So that's a distinction.

01:34:24.400 One is very vague in general.

01:34:26.760 It goes to the heart of what makes a human being a human being.

01:34:29.940 And the other, positive law, is what is written down on paper

01:34:34.220 as a manifestation of a certain aspect of natural law,

01:34:38.600 a problem that society faces, so a law has to be passed.

01:34:41.460 I think a key concept that our listeners need to keep in mind

01:34:46.820 to understand the distinction we're drawing here

01:34:49.220 is that what do we mean by natural?

01:34:52.900 Well, what do we mean by nature?

01:34:55.440 And the particular usage here is actually very technical.

01:35:00.380 Natural law is that which governs the natures

01:35:04.460 of particular classes, particular universals, right?

01:35:12.920 Shall we say human nature is a certain way.

01:35:17.320 You know, we have it.

01:35:17.940 There's a certain common humanness to all instances of the class human.

01:35:25.020 And just as so, there's a certain, I don't know, dogness

01:35:31.320 to all instances of the class dog.

01:35:34.040 And that these natures are governed themselves by certain principles

01:35:45.000 because they have certain ends that they are directed to.

01:35:48.500 And that the entire world, the entire assemblage of universal classes

01:35:57.300 has its own universal nature.

01:36:01.020 And so that there is a law of laws, if you will.

01:36:05.100 Whereas a positive law is an ordinance.

01:36:11.740 You know, it's the, in the interest of the general good,

01:36:17.900 I, King so-and-so, hi-muck-a-dee-muck,

01:36:21.440 ordain that we shall do this this way, for example, right?

01:36:27.680 Right.

01:36:28.080 You know, at a very basic level, you know, I mean,

01:36:31.620 like if an executive, like if a policeman, you know,

01:36:35.800 orders a riotous crowd to disperse, you know,

01:36:39.720 this is this positive law.

01:36:41.820 You know, in a sense, people have, you know,

01:36:43.340 if they're free, you know, people have the ability to,

01:36:45.660 you know, the ability to assemble and so on.

01:36:49.080 But obviously, you know, they're fomenting public disorder.

01:36:52.940 You know, they're opposing harmony and peace,

01:36:56.700 you know, in the instance of a riot.

01:36:59.900 And so, but it seems to me that this,

01:37:01.900 the goal of the particular criminal law in a country

01:37:07.120 is to participate in this broader form of justice

01:37:14.100 to instantiate this universal, this ideal, this harmony

01:37:19.040 into our particular circumstance according to situation

01:37:23.140 and ethnicity and so on.

01:37:25.320 You know, this participation in this universal form of order,

01:37:35.420 in a sense, this, which is, you know, the metaxis, right?

01:37:37.900 That we have our being and our individual personhood

01:37:44.340 while at the same time incorporating these broader concepts

01:37:48.500 into our nature and our operation without losing our own identity

01:37:51.820 is participation in Christ.

01:37:53.960 So anyways, I think that that is the sort of broad theological perspective.

01:38:00.000 What I said at the beginning of the show is just what he said.

01:38:03.060 All natural objects have an end.

01:38:05.720 What I didn't say was that gathering all those ends

01:38:09.700 into one rational end, that's the ultimate goal of law.

01:38:13.040 That is the law of law.

01:38:14.920 And I've used that phrase many times myself.

01:38:19.280 And that's what human reason does.

01:38:21.340 We talk about human reason, by the way.

01:38:22.780 We're not referring to logic.

01:38:25.780 We're referring to that, which logic is not going to help us here.

01:38:28.460 Logic is just, you can use logic for anything.

01:38:31.500 Reason is what gets us deeper into this.

01:38:34.620 Human reason is to be, to have a certain class, as Plato would say,

01:38:38.780 that could discern that law of laws.

01:38:41.380 And it also implies a specialized class.

01:38:44.640 And then everyone can just start talking about this

01:38:46.560 and think that they know it.

01:38:47.440 And so I should have mentioned that we're talking about human nature here,

01:38:53.480 but then the arrangement of all natures.

01:38:55.400 And also that any given instance where a human-ordained positive law

01:39:05.740 conflicts in some way or even fails to create a right order ordained by right reason,

01:39:15.060 it is in violation of the end of human positive law itself, right?

01:39:22.980 The end of human ordinances is to attain justice,

01:39:30.660 is to attain the peaceful harmony of the right order of things, right?

01:39:35.700 And if our rules, if our human petty rules are getting in the way of that,

01:39:43.940 then they're wrong.

01:39:45.620 It's not the universe that's wrong.

01:39:49.700 Well, and I think that the best example of this is maybe traffic laws.

01:39:53.880 Traffic laws are kind of the ultimate positive law example.

01:39:58.260 Because in their essence, I mean,

01:39:59.880 they're trying to achieve something that's eminently desirable and good.

01:40:02.620 That's the harmony of traffic and to prevent and reduce death and injury

01:40:08.080 because of the operation of water vehicles, which are really dangerous.

01:40:12.000 But of course, in praxis, traffic law becomes a tool of oppression, right?

01:40:18.720 It achieves the opposite of its desired goal.

01:40:24.560 And what's more, even built into the notion of traffic law,

01:40:27.400 is that emergency vehicles are exempt from this law

01:40:30.860 because their business and operation is so critical

01:40:35.420 that they can't, all of this positive law would just hinder their freedom

01:40:40.420 to accomplish this task.

01:40:43.040 Right. I was raised Pennsylvania, in Pennsylvania,

01:40:46.780 and a Pennsylvanian I will die probably. 0.92

01:40:48.840 But the Pennsylvanians hated traffic law so much

01:40:52.620 that we banned the use of radar guns for everyone except state troopers.

01:40:59.940 And even now, red lights are relative.

01:41:02.460 If there's no one around,

01:41:04.260 if it's an empty mill in the night somewhere, you could run it.

01:41:07.480 So we're on the border of anarchy here.

01:41:10.040 Thank God.

01:41:10.540 There's a classical Roman distinction that kind of illustrates this.

01:41:19.460 Cicero talks about it.

01:41:21.120 The distinction of malum in se and malum prohibitum.

01:41:27.420 And what that means in everyday language is

01:41:30.740 things that are wrong in themselves, right? 1.00

01:41:33.720 For example, killing your child or killing your father 1.00

01:41:37.780 or taking something that's not yours. 1.00

01:41:41.360 This is something that is wrong in itself.

01:41:43.560 It violates the right order of the harmony of the universe

01:41:47.260 versus something that is wrong because,

01:41:52.580 well, we said so, essentially, because it is prohibited.

01:41:58.000 Well, one example, you could be found in canon law.

01:42:02.740 Someone had mentioned, you know, when a positive law is harms.

01:42:07.780 Justice, we have no obligation to obey.

01:42:10.580 In canon law, we have the concept of economy.

01:42:14.140 Well, it sounds odd to use that word,

01:42:15.760 but the word actually refers to, you know,

01:42:17.880 its original meaning is to build something up.

01:42:20.240 In other words, to build a church up.

01:42:22.460 When, in a certain situation, a canon fails to do that,

01:42:26.260 if it's too strict or if it hurts someone for some reason,

01:42:30.000 you can do away with it for a time.

01:42:32.380 It's the exact same thing there.

01:42:33.720 The law doesn't go away.

01:42:34.680 It's just that these aren't absolute –

01:42:38.280 I'm not talking about doctrinal canons.

01:42:41.580 I'm not talking about disciplinary canons.

01:42:44.300 If something actually harms the church,

01:42:46.400 if you were to follow a stripling,

01:42:48.700 then for a while, for as long as it's harmful,

01:42:51.660 you do away with it.

01:42:53.300 But these aren't absolute statements.

01:42:54.620 Yeah, well, it's interesting.

01:42:57.300 A good example of that, you know, came up recently.

01:42:59.240 I was listening to somebody who was giving some, you know,

01:43:01.880 critiques on orthodoxy,

01:43:03.860 and he made one very valid point where there was an instance where,

01:43:06.940 you know, a young couple,

01:43:09.180 or a couple went on a pilgrimage to a monastery,

01:43:11.880 and they went to confession at the monastery,

01:43:13.680 and, you know, the husband, after, you know,

01:43:18.940 coaxing in confession, you know, 0.97

01:43:20.420 admitted that he had engaged in oral sex with his wife. 0.97

01:43:24.260 And so the abbot of the monastery gave him a penance of no communion for seven years. 0.68

01:43:30.020 You know, and then when they –

01:43:31.560 then, you know, when another father confessor asked the wife,

01:43:35.320 you know, she said no,

01:43:36.720 and then he said, well, you know,

01:43:37.600 her husband's already confessed.

01:43:38.700 We know about this.

01:43:39.480 So she confessed, and they gave her nine years extra because of the lying.

01:43:44.780 You know, and so this is –

01:43:46.160 and it's just kind of, I think, a great, bold-faced example of this

01:43:50.040 because, you know, this has become every day.

01:43:53.400 And so the fact that these people are, you know, in confession,

01:43:55.920 repenting of the sin, you know, no communion for seven years.

01:44:01.660 You know.

01:44:02.600 That's a shocking penance.

01:44:04.840 Is that common in orthodoxy?

01:44:07.240 Well, I'm sorry.

01:44:08.280 I – that is not a sin.

01:44:11.740 I don't think so either.

01:44:13.320 Also, the –

01:44:13.860 I'm going to hell if that's the case.

01:44:16.240 I confessed all of my life's sins of 26 years to my best friend

01:44:22.060 who's also a priest and my confessor,

01:44:24.040 and I got read and meditate on Psalm 51 every day intensively for two weeks

01:44:29.600 because it was Lent.

01:44:32.280 That's actually not a bad penance.

01:44:33.560 Like to forbid someone from the – from communion, I mean that – like –

01:44:40.340 Well, this is the thing, right?

01:44:42.200 Well, I mean –

01:44:43.400 But you've actually communicated them.

01:44:44.900 Right.

01:44:45.560 Right.

01:44:46.040 Like maybe if they were like – I don't know.

01:44:48.600 Like if they were presenting themselves as married but they really weren't,

01:44:52.580 I mean that would be a thing I suppose.

01:44:54.480 Well, no, and here's the – and this is the issue.

01:44:57.640 It's like – then you have the complete opposite extreme in many of these liberal parishes

01:45:02.260 where they don't – they don't make people come to confession before receiving communion.

01:45:06.300 You know, meaning Greece.

01:45:07.720 Most people go once a year.

01:45:08.620 When they do prescribe penances, it's like, you know, be nice to someone.

01:45:14.360 Right.

01:45:14.840 Right.

01:45:15.060 Exactly.

01:45:15.740 You know, but this is the thing.

01:45:16.800 I mean if people, you know, autistically follow the canons, it's like, okay, you know,

01:45:19.860 you're in your car. 0.99

01:45:21.920 You know, somebody runs in front of your car and, you know, you kill them.

01:45:24.700 No fault of your own.

01:45:25.600 Okay.

01:45:25.900 No community.

01:45:26.620 You know, that's a little excommunicated.

01:45:30.680 Yeah.

01:45:30.980 We can't treat these things like they're a penal code.

01:45:35.100 That's not what the ancients thought law was.

01:45:38.620 These are not absolute statements.

01:45:40.480 One example is one that I actually had to do away with.

01:45:43.800 It's in the canons of John the Faster that a priest upon his marriage, before he becomes a priest,

01:45:51.520 has to be a virgin, and so does his wife. 0.77

01:45:55.820 Well, neither my wife or I were.

01:45:59.600 They'd be no priests.

01:46:01.680 So that canon is largely unobserved for that reason.

01:46:06.480 It's simply too strict for today.

01:46:08.620 Right, and with the killing of the man, that's why common law is so important among civil law,

01:46:16.300 where civil law is required to retain harmony between states for certain –

01:46:21.620 obviously states need hard law to function, but that's why common law exists. 0.91

01:46:26.000 You can't hold things like that against somebody for mortal things like that if intent is an important part of common law.

01:46:34.660 I'm still stuck on the concept that someone thinks that oral sex is sinful. 0.60

01:46:40.400 I've got a big problem with that. 0.96

01:46:41.980 It is not.

01:46:42.400 Well, I mean there is – there are these kind of orthodox rigorists that teach this view where there's no –

01:46:51.080 almost like hyper-Catholic, there's no procreative intent there that it's off-limits.

01:46:58.600 Well, they're monks.

01:47:00.960 They may have never been with a woman before.

01:47:03.760 You know, do not listen to that.

01:47:07.980 Listeners, take note.

01:47:09.440 Take note.

01:47:10.020 Take note.

01:47:10.920 Take note.

01:47:11.820 Play this over and again.

01:47:13.060 It's not a sin.

01:47:13.720 Yeah, well, it's actually – you know, just last episode we talked about sexual ethics.

01:47:20.040 You know, that was the whole topic of the podcast.

01:47:23.820 You know, a creation is not the sole end of sex between married couples.

01:47:27.840 Right.

01:47:28.080 It is not.

01:47:28.920 It is part of it.

01:47:29.700 It is just one aspect of it.

01:47:31.200 Well, this is what we discussed.

01:47:32.360 You know, that – it's a holy mystery.

01:47:35.080 Right.

01:47:35.860 You know, in the marital context.

01:47:37.640 And so it's just – yeah, exactly.

01:47:39.860 It's obscene what they're doing.

01:47:42.460 Now, the Roman church, the Roman church, the old canon, the Roman church do say that explicitly.

01:47:47.740 But that is not the case in orthodoxy.

01:47:52.480 Fascinating.

01:47:53.660 All right.

01:47:54.460 So, I mean –

01:47:55.360 Thank God.

01:47:56.200 Thank God.

01:47:56.500 Yeah.

01:47:59.020 Is there anything –

01:48:00.100 As the token Romanist, I won't countersignal the Roman canons on that front.

01:48:09.180 But I don't think I would – I have ever heard of a – the strictest Dominican confessor ever handing out something like that to a married couple. 0.88

01:48:20.320 Like, that's just –

01:48:22.180 It shook me to my very core, even hearing it.

01:48:25.860 Like –

01:48:26.460 Well, and here's – and, you know, and they go to their parish priest.

01:48:28.680 You know, as Romanists, we have a strong sense of our Lord's desire to be united with us in communion.

01:48:35.880 So to forbid someone from it is very scandalous.

01:48:43.220 Right.

01:48:43.480 Well, and apparently –

01:48:44.320 Without any stress cause.

01:48:45.280 You know, apparently they went to their priest and he just said, well, you know, you're under authority to them.

01:48:49.280 You know, you accepted their authority.

01:48:50.580 What could I do?

01:48:51.280 It's the Holy Spirit.

01:48:52.180 Nothing I could do.

01:48:54.560 You know, and it's just –

01:48:55.600 And it's not just in and of itself. 0.91

01:48:57.860 Without getting too graphic, that's not – the oral sex is part of a longer process.

01:49:02.960 It's not just in and of itself. 0.74

01:49:04.540 So that's why – that's the thing.

01:49:05.900 That's why it's not a problem.

01:49:06.980 Well, right, I was going to say, like, I – being an Anglican, I've still read – and I mentioned this last episode, I read John Paul II's Love and Responsibility, and I agree with it almost entirely – completely entirely.

01:49:19.020 I went to pre-Cana stuff with my wife when we got married, and to which they said, like, it's supposed to be a unifying process and a pleasurable process.

01:49:28.860 And, hey, guess what?

01:49:30.200 Human physiology between male and female is different, and you're going to have to square that circle when you get to it.

01:49:35.980 And guess what?

01:49:37.360 You can't do it necessarily by relying on purely – put the correct block in the correct hole.

01:49:46.120 Like, you can't do that.

01:49:48.640 Well, St. John Chrysostom and his unmarried family spends many pages saying how only pagans believe that sex is for procreation because people were arrogant and they want their genes to be spread as many people as humanly possible.

01:50:02.500 That's not how we are in the church.

01:50:04.580 Page after page after page.

01:50:05.980 He condemns the idea that this is the reason for sexual behavior between married couples – within married couples, I should say.

01:50:17.560 Right.

01:50:18.200 Well, as we discussed in our last episode, that this is a – that relationship is a reflection of the Holy Trinity fundamentally.

01:50:23.800 And that's why it's a sacred mystery because, you know, you have the – the triune life creation that emerges from the union.

01:50:36.020 He is the miracle.

01:50:39.320 And so on.

01:50:39.920 Anyway, so now we've – I think unless any of our guests wanted to make any final comments on the subject of law, I think we can move into Kali Yuga News proper.

01:50:47.080 You know, I would just remark that this is a subject that is so large, you know, we've only begun to just touch the particular groundwork.

01:50:56.020 If we were to hone in on a particular subject or, you know, look at just American law, for instance, week in week in, we could do a whole – another two-hour broadcast just topping up – just with selected topics.

01:51:06.340 Just to remind listeners, oral sex between married couples is not sinful. 0.84

01:51:13.360 Have I hit that hard enough? 0.99

01:51:14.940 I think so.

01:51:15.620 Yeah, third time's the charm.

01:51:17.040 I think so.

01:51:17.840 Okay.

01:51:18.100 Good, good, good, good.

01:51:18.960 Okay.

01:51:19.500 This is the sexual ethics, you know, public service announcement, Mysterium Fashies for this week.

01:51:24.300 That's not a bad way to end the show.

01:51:26.480 Yeah, it's precise.

01:51:27.140 Well, we're going – we're transitioning to our next segment.

01:51:30.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:51:30.480 I would like to make the note that while we've made many distinctions here, the distinction between the customary, the common law, and the civil or the, shall we say, Roman law, they're valid distinctions, but these are not antagonistic distinctions.

01:51:55.020 A society that is large enough to have multiple communities will need to have both of these things.

01:52:00.480 So –

01:52:02.360 Well, Father, isn't this what Justinian says directly?

01:52:07.500 I should think so, given that he's a Roman emperor.

01:52:12.160 Yeah.

01:52:12.660 And that's –

01:52:13.180 I'm thinking of –

01:52:14.080 Of the emperor.

01:52:14.980 Right.

01:52:15.360 Well, I'm thinking of a particular quote.

01:52:17.680 I mean, I know Father Johnson on his podcast in Symphony of Powers, you know, he quoted an excerpt from, you know, the Roman Emperor of St. Justinian the Great, where he was talking about this particular subject.

01:52:27.820 You know, that each ethnic group, of course, has its own, you know, customs and tradition and that are proper and right to it, even within the framework of having, you know, Roman civil law.

01:52:39.760 Right.

01:52:40.240 There's no distinction between nationalism and being a member of the empire.

01:52:42.980 A lot of people tend to forget that.

01:52:46.020 They tend to see these things as one or the other.

01:52:48.880 And in a harmonious, justly ordered universe, these things exist like nesting dolls, right?

01:52:58.140 Exactly.

01:52:58.640 They support each other.

01:53:00.540 Har Saban calls it the symphonic personality.

01:53:02.680 It's unity and difference.

01:53:07.100 It's not – or a hierarchy of values.

01:53:11.300 Right.

01:53:11.840 Well, and this is what's possible when there is, you know, an ethnically transcending logos that you can bring these disparate people underneath the order, the good governance of Christ, fundamentally, which is what the emperor and the state are reflections of.

01:53:25.220 So, in other words, we've kind of gone – done the dirty transition into our new segment.

01:53:36.560 Father Johnson, let's get back into what we were discussing earlier.

01:53:39.080 Why don't you read for us the story that you had selected beforehand?

01:53:44.260 Well, right.

01:53:45.000 We've touched on it briefly.

01:53:46.600 Unfortunately, this is 23rd of June 2017.

01:53:51.100 It was very recent.

01:53:54.040 Over the Baltics, there was a very nasty – almost a confrontation between an American and a Russian military jet.

01:54:03.620 The Russians are a typical fighter bomber, the Su-27.

01:54:07.600 And it came very close to a NATO surveillance plan.

01:54:14.060 Now, you know, question number one – and there's really not much in terms of text here.

01:54:22.600 I'm sorry.

01:54:23.180 It was an F-16.

01:54:24.340 I apologize.

01:54:28.140 And there's not really much – there's not much text here.

01:54:31.820 There's a lot of pictures.

01:54:35.000 The problem is, you know – I'm sorry.

01:54:38.160 Let me – they scrambled.

01:54:39.420 I'm sorry.

01:54:39.720 It was an RC-135.

01:54:42.180 It was a surveillance plane.

01:54:43.960 They scrambled a bunch of F-16s.

01:54:45.840 It could have gotten very bad.

01:54:47.920 So it's a spy plane over the Baltics, and a Russian fighter came very, very close to it.

01:54:53.860 Nothing happened.

01:54:55.380 But they called it reckless.

01:54:57.560 Now, question number one.

01:54:59.500 This is Russian space.

01:55:01.700 An American plane has no right to be there. 0.96

01:55:03.640 There's no reason for the American Air Force to be in the Baltics.

01:55:07.140 Number two, the massive buildup of military forces on your border, anyone's border, is a massive threat to your national security.

01:55:18.260 You just imagine Russia and China and Venezuela and Cuba building up a huge army in northern Mexico on the Texas border.

01:55:28.140 And then when the U.S. complained about it, they're being called – they're overreacting.

01:55:37.320 You know, this is all the saber-rattling on your part.

01:55:39.200 You know, nonsense.

01:55:40.700 Of course, this is a threat to Russian security. 0.98

01:55:43.520 The Russian jet had every reason to be there.

01:55:46.040 The American jet had absolutely no reason to be there.

01:55:49.320 But we know the reason why this is happening.

01:55:51.220 The dollar dump is the reason.

01:55:52.920 The other reason concerns oil, of course.

01:55:57.060 Most of the Russian oil companies are private-slash-public entities.

01:56:02.080 And that's one of Putin's central pillars of his rule is that strategic sectors can never be bought and sold on the open market.

01:56:11.420 That's what Khodorkovsky was trying to do when he got arrested back in 2003, I guess it was, or 2004.

01:56:16.820 He was on his way selling Rosneft to ExxonMobil.

01:56:23.160 If Russia were to sell its oil field to ExxonMobil, it wouldn't be an independent country anymore.

01:56:28.160 It would be the ultimate security threat.

01:56:30.380 And that's why the man was arrested.

01:56:32.920 And, of course, just Putin's popularity shot through the roof because the Russian press was reporting the real truth.

01:56:39.040 The American press was not.

01:56:41.400 So these are the issues involved here.

01:56:43.600 The U.S. is picking a war on the basis of purely economic concerns.

01:56:49.340 ExxonMobil, Secretary of State Tillerson was their former CEO.

01:56:57.420 They're angry that Russia won't sell its fields to them.

01:57:00.880 And this is a big thing.

01:57:02.760 And controlling Russian oil would be the ultimate coup for American imperialism.

01:57:09.380 So that's what the story is really about. 0.98

01:57:11.000 Now, just as an addition, if anyone tells you that oral sex between married couples is sinful, give them my phone number, and we'll discuss it. 0.93

01:57:21.500 I'm really quite put out by this. 1.00

01:57:23.160 What a moron. 0.99

01:57:24.320 Anyway, the point is this is a spy plane over very, very close to Russian territory, right on the border, Lithuania, Estonia, with Russia. 1.00

01:57:33.960 It was inviting this kind of reaction.

01:57:37.220 And the Americans are treating it almost like an act of war.

01:57:39.200 It's outrageous.

01:57:39.900 Well, and what the article also mentions is that in response to the Russian plane flying close to the spy plane, not only did they scramble F-16s to monitor the Russian jet, but they also sent it to a jet where the defense minister was in, flying from Kaliningrad back to St. Petersburg, which prompted more Russian jet scramble to defend and escort the defense minister. 0.99

01:58:06.900 And then they have the gall to act as if, you know, the Russian jets are just, you know, coming to peek at them just to fuck with them.

01:58:16.140 But you're exactly right, and it's not the first time that American jets have come very close to the defense minister's plane. 0.98

01:58:25.300 This has happened many times.

01:58:27.000 These are – the U.S. is desperate.

01:58:29.360 The New World Order is not all powerful.

01:58:32.220 They are being bloodied by Vladimir Putin, who has defeated them.

01:58:36.780 Every decision he's made, he's beaten them.

01:58:39.520 He's outsmarted them at every level.

01:58:41.000 And all the U.S. has now is military to try to beat them into submission.

01:58:46.840 But the dollar dump is going to happen.

01:58:50.940 And the Americans cannot win a shooting war with Russia. 0.67

01:58:55.220 Half – about 50 percent of the Navy's planes can't fly.

01:58:58.400 I don't know where all this money is going.

01:58:59.660 I don't even think the United States can fundamentally actually prosecute a war against Russia.

01:59:06.800 Not in any meaningful way.

01:59:08.460 I mean the –

01:59:08.940 Let's ask the question directly.

01:59:10.540 Let's ask it directly.

01:59:11.420 Father, do you see any real – I mean do you think there will be war here? 0.98

01:59:16.540 Well, in Syria, when the U.S. coward – and he's a coward – and the F-16 shot down the Syrian army jet. 0.90

01:59:27.280 It was an act of cowardice because the army – they didn't think that he was an enemy. 0.97

01:59:32.040 They thought that they were all on the same side.

01:59:34.140 So he didn't take evasive action.

01:59:35.800 So it was a cowardly act.

01:59:36.780 But Russia, of course, responds that American planes in our sector are going to get shut down, the U.S. back down, and move their planes only to the southern part of the country.

01:59:50.260 Well, in the event of a war, we have an entire department of the army that is fundamentally useless and has been since World War II, and it's called field artillery.

02:00:00.360 They serve no purpose.

02:00:01.500 You need a stationary enemy.

02:00:03.080 And our enemies in the Middle East have never been stationary.

02:00:05.440 They haven't been identifiable.

02:00:07.060 There is no identifiable target.

02:00:08.580 And Russia has learned very well.

02:00:10.520 The first thing Vladimir Putin probably did was restructure the military when he got in control because he understood that there are tactics that lost in Afghanistan were – he understood where that came from probably.

02:00:22.320 You can't fire on a fixed target when you're firing at Russians. 0.99

02:00:25.480 They probably – their battalions probably don't camp in the same place two nights in a row.

02:00:30.100 You're exactly right.

02:00:31.780 The answer is that the Americans – I don't believe there's going to be a shooting war.

02:00:35.840 It's definitely possible.

02:00:36.960 But if they back down – if the U.S. backs down in Syria and is embarrassed, then that gives you some indication maybe they'll do it here.

02:00:44.480 This is just saber-rattling.

02:00:45.960 I want that to be the case.

02:00:47.780 On a geostrategic level, like it doesn't even matter what the doctrines or the equipment that we're talking about.

02:00:57.620 Logistically, the United States has crippled itself with this insane bout of expeditionary warfare all across Central Asia to the point where if we wanted to supply the level of conventional forces that it would take to actually prosecute a real war,

02:01:26.620 even an air war, I would say, against Russia would be an insurmountable challenge.

02:01:37.140 The critical things to look at are transport aircraft, our transport trucks, our trains, and the sad fact is that we just don't have it.

02:01:48.980 And aside from those, you need to think about like, okay, well, where's the ammunition?

02:01:53.960 Where are the trained soldiers?

02:01:55.260 Where are the supplies, the beans, the bullets, the Band-Aids to make this happen?

02:01:59.960 And we've spent all of it.

02:02:01.720 We've burned – we've eaten our seed corn.

02:02:04.780 Well, here's the simple way to answer the question.

02:02:07.160 If there is war, it won't just be a war with Russia because there is a defense pact between Moscow and China, and that would include Armenia and Iran as well.

02:02:17.640 So it's not just against Russia.

02:02:21.400 It's not going to be two countries.

02:02:23.820 The U.S., putting it very simply, doesn't have the men.

02:02:27.840 It doesn't have money.

02:02:29.680 There's not the political support.

02:02:31.720 There's not the national unity.

02:02:33.940 There's nothing to prosecute a war that America has.

02:02:37.940 This isn't 1941 anymore.

02:02:39.260 And owning that many dollars, Russia and China have the ultimate weapon. 0.87

02:02:44.900 There simply isn't – and I have read article after article after article on the state of military morale in America.

02:02:53.340 For officers, mid-level officers right now are making six figures.

02:02:58.300 I know foreign officers, when they come to American bases, are shocked at the luxury.

02:03:02.100 American officers are joining the service to get the college paid for, to get women, to have a very, very nice salary, to be called a hero.

02:03:14.040 That's pretty much it.

02:03:15.160 These aren't soldiers.

02:03:17.360 The American pay scale is 150 percent of what Russia is or China is.

02:03:24.520 It's not even close.

02:03:26.500 In Russia, you join the army because you're a patriot.

02:03:28.460 They don't have conscription anymore.

02:03:30.400 It's a totally different thing.

02:03:31.460 It's a totally different world.

02:03:32.620 I've been reading Russian military journals recently and posts online, and they're all saying this.

02:03:37.380 They're saying that the American officer – your line officer, mid-level officer corps, these aren't soldiers.

02:03:42.040 They're there for financial reasons, and the pay keeps going up.

02:03:45.200 They pay no taxes.

02:03:47.240 They get – health care is unbeatable, and the social prestige you get, it keeps getting better and better and better as the years go on.

02:03:57.720 Florian said you're paying your mercenaries.

02:03:59.360 That's all they are.

02:04:00.000 They're not really soldiers.

02:04:01.460 And they sure as hell aren't fighting for anything good.

02:04:04.220 And when the body bags start coming home in huge numbers, it doesn't take – what are we fighting for?

02:04:09.340 What has this all been about?

02:04:10.420 So the U.S. can't win for all the reasons that we've mentioned, and I'm hoping that that's – that's what the U.S. is, but that's going to be the decision, and that's why they backed down in Syria.

02:04:22.640 So what gives me pause there is that there have to be people in the regime that know these facts just as well as we do and have to be at least as intelligent as we are, at least as rational.

02:04:41.460 So what is their plan?

02:04:44.060 And the only thing I can come back to is they're seeking a pretext by which to escalate to nuclear weapons.

02:04:53.800 And at that point, like, my limited ability to look into the crystal ball becomes completely –

02:05:02.220 Mechanical for Levowitz now, basically, yeah.

02:05:04.360 Well, I find that hard to believe only because Russia blows the U.S. away, no pun intended, in the nuclear area. 0.74

02:05:13.240 Russia has infinitely more megatons than the U.S. does.

02:05:16.500 That's true.

02:05:17.760 I don't see the point.

02:05:18.720 They'd be killed too in that.

02:05:21.220 I think the explanation is hubris.

02:05:23.380 Like the class of people we're talking about, yes, we all know who we're talking about.

02:05:26.980 They don't think that they can be defeated.

02:05:29.800 They think they're invincible, and they think it's mostly going to be us dying in any ways.

02:05:34.900 Any way you cut it, they win.

02:05:37.740 Well, this is the thing.

02:05:39.240 The question that he raises is a good one.

02:05:41.260 How can they not know – of course they know this.

02:05:43.720 They know this probably better than we do.

02:05:47.120 And think of it from the point of view of small countries in the area like Ukraine who now believe they have American support to do pretty much whatever they want.

02:05:54.960 So they'll be finding pretext for their own little wars.

02:05:57.720 That's a nightmare.

02:05:58.440 That is just an absolute nightmare.

02:06:00.720 Think of Austria in World War I.

02:06:02.600 Right.

02:06:03.160 Thinking they have German support, which of course they did. 1.00

02:06:06.100 So that's the problem, and that's what Russia has been saying to the U.S.

02:06:10.060 It's just not necessarily you.

02:06:11.360 It's a signal you're sending everybody else here.

02:06:13.820 Or the Baltic countries, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia.

02:06:18.260 Like they're – I got a lot of love for the old veterans of the East Front.

02:06:26.920 But guys, like you got to face the geopolitical facts as they are today.

02:06:32.440 And the fact is, is that NATO isn't going to be able to back you up.

02:06:38.100 What are you doing?

02:06:39.280 Well, my personal opinion is that if war breaks out, the body bags are coming home.

02:06:45.720 France is going to drop out of NATO again.

02:06:48.700 Pro-American regimes in Eastern Europe are going to be overthrown, and Bulgaria and Romania.

02:06:53.340 North Korea will not remain neutral in all of this.

02:06:56.300 China will hit the U.S. in the South China Sea, as they've been promising to do for some time. 0.98

02:07:01.980 The Philippines are already pro-Chinese.

02:07:05.360 And NATO and China are already working on a missile system.

02:07:09.460 So they're going to turn over all NATO secrets.

02:07:11.700 I'm sorry, Turkey and China are working on a missile system.

02:07:14.360 Let me spin this out.

02:07:17.040 They'll turn NATO secrets over to the Chinese if they haven't done so already. 0.99

02:07:20.480 Let me spin this out.

02:07:21.260 They have our missile secrets.

02:07:22.860 They already do. 1.00

02:07:23.460 Anyone who thinks they're kidding themselves, you're stupid, you're retarded. 1.00

02:07:28.020 We have had Chinese multinationals and Israeli multinationals working in our missile defense system since the 80s. 1.00

02:07:34.660 It's all gone.

02:07:35.620 It's already sold.

02:07:36.460 It's already been done.

02:07:38.340 So the chance of a war, chance of a victorious war is absolutely minimal at any level.

02:07:43.020 Well, here's my question, right?

02:07:44.460 What if China were not to be drawn into an engagement with the United States?

02:07:50.600 Is that a possibility?

02:07:51.340 They'll win anyway.

02:07:53.460 Right.

02:07:55.540 But that won't be the case because not only is there that longstanding agreement, but the U.S. has been trying to pick a war with China and South China see something nasty over the last two, three years.

02:08:07.620 Right.

02:08:07.980 Well, and China also wants to be with Japan.

02:08:10.680 It's just less known and less discussed than Eastern Europe.

02:08:13.700 But to answer your question, Russia would win anyway for all the reasons that I said. 0.76

02:08:20.380 They're in far better shape.

02:08:22.560 Putin's approval rating, according to the Pew Research Organization, American organization, is 87 percent right now.

02:08:28.740 That's wild.

02:08:29.260 That's wild.

02:08:29.720 That's incredible.

02:08:31.080 Had a tough time in the world economy.

02:08:35.700 I just – that's like Adolf Hitler level there. 0.75

02:08:38.460 That's basically –

02:08:40.260 How long has he been there?

02:08:41.440 They're not sticking with him yet.

02:08:42.140 How long has he been there?

02:08:43.040 It's 17 years.

02:08:43.800 In order to even conceive of any sort of attempted military action against Russia of all targets, you would need some sort of – you would need to have fomented some sort of internal division already, right?

02:09:12.560 And that's just not there.

02:09:14.920 I mean maybe they have some sort of plan.

02:09:18.440 I assume that's what a lot of this nonsense about naughty Putin.

02:09:25.820 He doesn't let our Seventh-day Adventist preachers get in there.

02:09:32.460 Yeah, yes, yeah.

02:09:33.340 Bands the J-hoes, yes. 1.00

02:09:35.420 But here's the thing I would say.

02:09:36.860 You know, we ask the question.

02:09:38.700 We assume that our enemies at the top level are logical, rational actors.

02:09:44.520 But I would pose this.

02:09:45.900 If our enemies are – you know, if the New World Order, we see it as the corporate instantiation of the activities of the Antichrist in the world.

02:09:54.480 You know, then this is reflective of, you know, the enemy's personality.

02:09:59.800 And we know he's prideful and being glorious.

02:10:02.840 And we – you know, he knows he's going to lose. 1.00

02:10:05.320 You know, but he does it because fuck you. 1.00

02:10:07.060 He's just fighting. 1.00

02:10:08.580 Exactly.

02:10:09.120 Exactly right. 0.67

02:10:09.840 And to be honest with you though, from a personal level, I would love to see the swaggering, arrogant U.S. military establishment get slapped around for a while.

02:10:18.080 I wouldn't mind seeing that.

02:10:21.200 Yeah, there's a certain, you know, grand imperial catharsis in it, the Tudorberg Forest type deal. 0.62

02:10:28.680 Well, all the fat generals.

02:10:30.300 I believe the 20-year military pension was a mistake. 0.92

02:10:33.220 It should be a 10-year one.

02:10:34.520 And it should be a – there should be a reduction in pension.

02:10:37.280 But you keep way too much old blood with 20-year pension vested.

02:10:41.180 It's just a bad idea.

02:10:43.940 All of the services are way over-officered to begin with.

02:10:47.280 Over-officered, and they are extremely overpaid according to international standards.

02:10:52.040 The pension is 80%.

02:10:53.280 It gives a little bit of any help you've been in.

02:10:57.200 80% with no income limits.

02:10:59.040 Incredible.

02:10:59.880 Incredible.

02:11:00.320 That's higher than Canadian bureaucrats.

02:11:02.840 So if you're a general and you get a job with a Ray-a-thon or Boeing on the side, you make a million dollars.

02:11:09.860 That won't affect your pension at all. 0.99

02:11:13.120 You're jerking yourself off like a monkey. 0.99

02:11:14.960 That's basically the scenario. 0.99

02:11:15.980 Well, that's the ideal thing.

02:11:18.180 You retire from the military.

02:11:19.240 And ostensibly, if you're an officer, you went into a good enough branch that you'll come out and there will be a job offer waiting for you from somebody who – they're part of a bureaucratic thing.

02:11:29.500 Maybe you'll end up selling weapons to Middle East, Saudi states.

02:11:32.620 And you make a quarter of a million dollars on top of your pension.

02:11:35.720 And you just ride that home.

02:11:38.820 I know people who are doing it.

02:11:41.420 That's why I wouldn't mind seeing them getting slapped around.

02:11:44.800 Yeah, me too. 0.89

02:11:45.180 They deserve it.

02:11:46.960 I would.

02:11:47.540 I'm related to some of them.

02:11:48.580 Right.

02:11:48.900 Or you get a good job lobbying in the capital.

02:11:50.920 The only thing that I'm concerned about on a personal level is I was one of those poor bloody grunts on the ground wondering what the heck I was doing there. 1.00

02:12:05.240 And it's going to be a whole new level of suck for those poor bastards. 1.00

02:12:11.900 Well, part of my hatred for the military comes from my father, who was drafted in 1950 to go to Korea. 0.99

02:12:17.300 He never got above corporal.

02:12:19.800 He lost his left ribcage in his left hand in a Chinese mourner attack. 0.95

02:12:23.880 Left ribcage.

02:12:24.660 Usually you don't survive that. 1.00

02:12:25.760 And to him, the officers were just these arrogant, swaggering scumbags. 0.99

02:12:31.560 He was proud to be a Marine, but the brass was another matter altogether. 0.99

02:12:36.360 Well, with any luck, I'll unfortunately have to become one of those officers.

02:12:39.980 But that's a different matter entirely, and I hope I have a better mentality.

02:12:48.240 Well, if you do, I will encourage you to desert your post.

02:12:53.500 Yeah.

02:12:54.120 First, you're at Mysterium Fashies.

02:12:56.340 No.

02:12:57.820 Yeah.

02:12:59.040 We're going to be put away for treason and sedition at some point, so we might as well just put it on the table now.

02:13:04.340 Yeah.

02:13:04.640 I've been saying that on my Facebook page.

02:13:06.860 I've been saying that on the Orsweck Nationalists.

02:13:08.740 Because, you know, eventually, that's why I'm going to have to skip the country if there's a shooting war between Russia and the U.S.

02:13:14.040 A very good friend of mine just went back to Samara this week.

02:13:17.820 You know, and I said, oh, yeah, I'll come and visit you, hopefully, not as a refugee. 1.00

02:13:22.860 Well, I believe in St. George.

02:13:24.480 I believe that in the Legion there is room to work miracles.

02:13:27.240 The last words Willis Cardo said to me were, if there's a war between Russia and China, you've got to get the hell out of the country.

02:13:37.240 I cleaned it up a little bit, but that's what he said to me.

02:13:39.240 Wow.

02:13:43.660 Intense.

02:13:45.440 So I'm going to go to the next Kali Yuga news story here. 0.73

02:13:48.380 So I'll pick this one.

02:13:49.380 It's from Canada.

02:13:50.060 This is from the CBC.ca.

02:13:54.480 Video shows woman demanding a white doctor treat son at Mississauga, Ontario Clinic.

02:14:00.080 That's a suburb of Toronto.

02:14:01.320 This is bad and this is inappropriate and shouldn't go unnoticed, quote from a witness who shot video.

02:14:10.460 A Mississauga man is stunned after witnessing and filming a woman makes several demands for a white doctor who doesn't have brown teeth

02:14:16.900 and speaks English at his local walk-in clinic on Sunday.

02:14:21.220 Hitesh Burjwaj recorded the incident waiting for his own appointment at the rapid access to medical specialists in the city.

02:14:28.500 Over the course of four minutes of the video, a woman asks clinic staff several times for a white doctor to treat her son,

02:14:35.460 who she says has chest pains.

02:14:37.260 When staff tell her that no such doctor is available, the woman gets angry and at one point says, 1.00

02:14:41.660 being white in this country, I should just shoot myself. 1.00

02:14:44.940 Blowing brains out now and save herself some time. 1.00

02:14:48.220 I saw a doctor that was not white that did not help my kid, says the woman in the video. 0.99

02:14:54.420 I would like to see a white doctor. 0.67

02:14:55.720 You're telling me there isn't one white doctor in this whole entire building?

02:14:59.420 This is a great quote.

02:15:02.440 She was referring to Indians or blacks?

02:15:06.000 Indos.

02:15:06.840 It would be Indos, typically.

02:15:08.420 Oh, because my doctor is Indian. 0.66

02:15:11.220 I love the guy.

02:15:12.340 Well, they don't have affirmative action.

02:15:14.920 They're not being pushed through school like black Americans would be. 0.98

02:15:18.040 Yeah, well, it is.

02:15:18.680 Perhaps in America, but in Canada, it's a little bit different.

02:15:21.140 In Canada, it's strange because we're sending all of our doctors to India.

02:15:25.200 They're sending all of their doctors here.

02:15:29.300 Let's everybody have their own doctors.

02:15:31.080 Let's not deprive India of their doctors.

02:15:32.860 Let's not deprive us of ours.

02:15:34.500 Right.

02:15:34.880 Well, here's what I would say on its face.

02:15:36.880 There are very good Indo and Chinese doctors who are as good as white doctors.

02:15:45.100 However, there are also Indo and Chinese doctors who are not as good, who are basically the

02:15:49.340 equivalent of undergraduate medical students in terms of their medical degree in China.

02:15:54.340 There are supposed to be controls against this sort of thing, but unfortunately, that is the case that you run into these Indos who are just – they're not equal to their white peers. 1.00

02:16:06.220 In the United States, you have the problem with blacks is that you're guaranteed a worse doctor if it's a black doctor. 0.96

02:16:12.400 That's my problem. 0.96

02:16:14.720 You know, the Indian medical schools are based on the British model.

02:16:18.500 I have no difficulty with that.

02:16:19.980 With American blacks or English blacks, they're pushed through school. 1.00

02:16:23.680 I would be scared to death in that case. 0.97

02:16:26.680 Right, right.

02:16:27.380 No, it's – and it's equivalent of like basically 20 points of difference just based on being black in terms of their medical – the CCAT entrance test.

02:16:36.740 Anyway, so, yeah, I mean, so I would just say that this is – you know, things are just going to start to get worse, especially as infrastructure falls apart and standards weaken and lower.

02:16:47.200 I mean, because here's the thing.

02:16:48.120 I mean, even if you have doctors who are equally trained, you know, there's a – I mean, you need first world people to sustain first world infrastructure.

02:16:54.720 And, you know, the people that are coming to the hospital, you know, are not civilized.

02:16:59.300 You know, it's the broad, unwashed masses, especially in a socialized medicine system like Canada.

02:17:04.980 And so this is – the situations are intolerable.

02:17:08.980 I mean, you go to the emergency room.

02:17:11.080 You know, you can – I can speak from personal experience.

02:17:13.720 You know, you can be brought in on a stretcher from an ambulance.

02:17:16.740 You know, it's in the emergency room for four hours, five hours, and not get triaged.

02:17:21.900 But it's preposterous.

02:17:25.060 And the thing is, these good Indian doctors, there's a massive need for good doctors in India.

02:17:30.780 And we both as Christians and NGOs and whatever spend a lot of medical aid trying to provide them with that.

02:17:38.300 They have their own competent doctors, but they're over here seeking a better life, which I understand everybody wants that and needs that.

02:17:45.200 But they're never going to raise themselves out of poverty or even attempt to do that until they bring their own greatest minds home.

02:17:54.660 Well, my experience has been that East Asians and even subcontinent Asians are on our side on the racial issue.

02:18:02.220 They're victimized by affirmative action laws, not benefited by it.

02:18:08.260 The rooftop Koreans, as I just mentioned, my experience has been that they're generally speaking there with us.

02:18:15.380 And they're also a high IQ people, East Asians anyway.

02:18:18.020 I've got myself and my father, my ancestors, you know, we've got very good friends who are Chinese, you know, and close connections with China.

02:18:29.060 And there are very many good Chinamen.

02:18:30.900 The problem with the Chinese is that they have a colonial mindset. 1.00

02:18:35.680 And so when they come here in numbers like they have in Canada, they come here to claim territory. 0.90

02:18:40.760 And they're not leaving, you know, and once they can assemble the numbers, it's an existential threat that they're basically here.

02:18:48.080 So this is the reason for me is that from a, you know, I'm about to leave for British Columbia for the lower mainland.

02:18:54.660 And Richmond is 80% Asian.

02:18:58.260 This city's, I think, 500,000 to 600,000 people south of Vancouver.

02:19:02.060 The metropolitan area itself is approaching, you know, I think 35% Chinese.

02:19:06.900 You know, the property, it's more expensive than Tokyo in downtown Vancouver.

02:19:13.980 It's the most expensive real estate in the entire world.

02:19:17.500 This is because these Chinese oligarchs are taking their money and they're laundering it here and investing in real estate that they don't even live in. 0.76

02:19:25.740 There's not serious capital control.

02:19:27.960 And, of course, it's Iraq and everybody benefits. 1.00

02:19:30.220 The realtor business is out of control.

02:19:33.100 And, of course, once there's the big money, there's the corruption.

02:19:35.260 Vancouver is the number one entry point for heroin in North America from Asia.

02:19:42.460 Well, from its location, that would make sense.

02:19:44.540 Right.

02:19:45.560 Well, the East Asian crime rate is even lower than the white in America.

02:19:50.840 I think that should be mentioned.

02:19:54.360 Well, certainly.

02:19:55.400 Triads and Yakuza operate very covertly, though.

02:19:59.280 They do.

02:20:00.040 Right.

02:20:00.240 Because they're interested in making money.

02:20:01.480 And they come from systems where, you know, the public order and peace is the number one priority.

02:20:08.160 And if you don't disturb that, then you're allowed to subsist.

02:20:11.540 And then, like the Italians, they normally don't kill non-mobsters. 0.96

02:20:16.760 Precisely.

02:20:17.240 Yeah, exactly.

02:20:18.080 But in this situation, you know, and I just use this as a – I bring this up just as an aside.

02:20:22.360 Because I think that this is, you know, yeah, this is important to consider.

02:20:25.180 That this is – because they are, you know, equal to us on a geopolitical level, they become potential adversaries.

02:20:31.820 You know, and it's – there are only – there are a few places in North America, most of which are in Canada, with very serious Chinese, you know, colonial population, essentially.

02:20:44.900 Well, something like that, 75%, that's replacement level.

02:20:48.240 I've got a big problem with that.

02:20:49.120 I don't care who they are.

02:20:50.160 Yeah.

02:20:50.500 Well, that's what it is.

02:20:51.940 You know, it's 80% in Richmond.

02:20:53.760 You know, in Surrey, it's 45% Indian.

02:20:58.340 They – well, they're also – they're attempting to colonize Siberia, too.

02:21:04.260 Yeah, there's some – there's some – you know, there's not a whole lot of jobs.

02:21:06.860 I've questioned that in the past.

02:21:08.440 I've heard that.

02:21:09.960 I don't think the immigration is as bad as – the jobs aren't really there anymore.

02:21:17.620 I don't know to what extent.

02:21:18.740 The FCO has some kind of agreement there.

02:21:22.340 I'm not sure if that's true or not.

02:21:25.460 The point is I've never been scared walking through Chinatown.

02:21:28.340 Yeah, there's that.

02:21:29.960 Now, Savage, would you like to go ahead and select the next article?

02:21:37.500 Well, I –

02:21:39.340 If you've got your fresh breaking news, please insert.

02:21:42.460 A completely bizarre story that I think needs to be shared as far as – it's very Kali Yuga.

02:21:47.400 Very Kali Yuga.

02:21:48.320 I think we've mentioned before on Mysterium about how these manufactured personalities that they present in front of our children are just very, very strange, very fractured, on-purpose things.

02:22:14.920 You could say strange or monarch, maybe.

02:22:17.480 Yeah.

02:22:18.200 So the headline is, I am a genderless alien.

02:22:23.700 Miley Cyrus makes bizarre claim in interview.

02:22:26.640 And the source here is dailystar.co.uk.

02:22:32.980 And she was giving an interview, and I'll just read some choice quotes here.

02:22:40.880 In a bizarre tele-interview, she said,

02:22:44.040 I am weird because I feel very genderless.

02:22:47.000 I feel like I'm just a spirit soul, not even divided by human being.

02:22:52.780 I treat animals the same and hopefully treat the planet with as much respect as possible.

02:22:57.360 The Disney star-turned-twerking pop star told Lorraine's Ross King,

02:23:04.940 I feel very much like there's no I and them. 0.99

02:23:08.340 There's no me and you.

02:23:11.060 It comes after Miley, who appeared alongside Ariana Grande, 23, at a tribute gig named One Love in Manchester,

02:23:23.480 revealed that she had given up drugs.

02:23:25.780 Last month, she said that she no longer smoked marijuana after she suffered a reoccurring nightmare that she was going to die.

02:23:35.780 I kept having this nightmare.

02:23:37.360 I had this dream that I would just get so stoned that I died.

02:23:43.120 Really makes you think.

02:23:45.220 Lady Gaga pulled the same stunt, didn't she? 1.00

02:23:47.860 Yeah, I mean, it's just, you know, I mean, just getting to the point where these public figures,

02:23:51.660 there's just like straight Gnosticism, you know, pantheism, right, whatever. 0.93

02:23:55.780 You know, we covered, you know, the one, his image haunts me now, the one fucked up Asian guy in California 1.00

02:24:06.080 who made the same claim and got all of the plastic surgery and so on. 0.93

02:24:09.460 I don't know if you remember that, Doc.

02:24:11.920 Yes, yes.

02:24:13.140 The demons are tossing his image at me from the ether.

02:24:15.620 I can see it.

02:24:16.220 Yeah, very creepy face.

02:24:19.820 And, like, I mean, maybe I'm paranoid.

02:24:24.400 Maybe I'm saying too much here.

02:24:26.020 But, like, all of this seems to be, as our friend Jay Dyer calls it,

02:24:34.640 like, this is the sort of the revelation of the method.

02:24:38.760 This is the mask slipping from the face.

02:24:40.640 They're telling us what their plans are.

02:24:43.980 There's no us.

02:24:45.120 There's no them.

02:24:46.040 There's no, like, we keep coming back to this sort of Babylonian occult image of this mass undifferentiated...

02:24:57.440 Thoughts.

02:24:57.640 How to say, a proletariat of no race, of no culture, of no ethics. 0.70

02:25:12.120 Right, exactly.

02:25:13.340 And if our listeners will go back and listen to the Freemasonry and the Kabbalah video,

02:25:17.400 or a podcast we did with you, Father Johnson, you know, we kind of dissected that all the way.

02:25:21.640 And this is the whole method, right, is the reduction of the substance to this, you know, alchemical neutral state

02:25:30.360 whereby you can then implant whatever form you want on top of it

02:25:34.100 and recreate the reality or the person or the civilization in your image.

02:25:38.860 And so you build yourself this temple, this machine, that's ultimately to yourself, to your own ego.

02:25:45.620 You become the god and the purpose of the civilization,

02:25:49.060 which means essentially your own will, your own passions, your own desires.

02:25:54.240 There's one thing in the show notes that I did want to take issue with, kind of a minor issue.

02:25:58.740 Go for it.

02:25:59.840 Post-moderns don't believe in the individual.

02:26:03.140 There's that.

02:26:04.880 You mentioned that almost, I think you imply it.

02:26:08.240 They definitely don't.

02:26:09.240 They see the self as pieces.

02:26:11.580 They want to scatter the self everywhere.

02:26:13.980 They don't see even individuals as real.

02:26:16.080 I mean, they've gone way beyond just rejecting universals.

02:26:19.500 Now they reject individuals.

02:26:22.000 Right.

02:26:22.220 Post-modernism is largely based off of it.

02:26:24.860 And there's a reason why post-modernists in the West are obsessed with Buddhism.

02:26:29.100 It's because the obliteration of the self is one of their key tenets of philosophy.

02:26:34.840 Exactly.

02:26:35.220 And, again, maybe I'm paranoid.

02:26:40.280 Maybe I'm seeing too much here.

02:26:41.600 But this nightmare figure that she's having, it strikes me as typical for sort of CIA-style programming,

02:27:04.400 monarch mind control sort of stuff.

02:27:06.580 Yeah, that kind of, yeah.

02:27:07.340 Well, precise.

02:27:08.480 You know, there was a video that just came out the other week of her having this kind of total collapse on stage,

02:27:14.080 you know, as if, like, her programming just flicked a switch.

02:27:17.600 You know, so that's exactly what's going on.

02:27:19.120 I mean, I would highly encourage our listeners to go check out Jay Dyer's work on the subject.

02:27:23.900 He's treated it in depth.

02:27:24.880 You know, but they have to understand that, you know, we are dealing with Seraphim Rose, you know, called pornography, the devil's iconography.

02:27:33.300 But that's it. 0.99

02:27:34.920 You know, we're dealing with, you know, Babylonian whores. 1.00

02:27:38.520 Capital B. 1.00

02:27:39.540 Capital W.

02:27:40.140 There's a compelling theory, which I will not comment really on, that Miley Cyrus is long dead and that she's, like, that the current Miley Cyrus is a body double.

02:27:50.800 And the evidence rests largely on freckles, the fact that the current one has crooked teeth and the previous one didn't, and this and that.

02:27:59.040 Yeah, it's interesting, but it certainly, even if it isn't true, it lends credence to the fact that this Hollywood institution will transform people into completely different people.

02:28:11.920 I wouldn't put it past them, certainly.

02:28:14.120 That's it straight on.

02:28:14.820 These Hollywood institutions, these corporations, they have no interest in persons, right?

02:28:25.220 They create this character, and it doesn't matter, like, that's the whole point of Hollywood.

02:28:29.500 It doesn't matter who's playing the character as long as the character gets played.

02:28:36.500 Yes.

02:28:37.480 Now, Rude, would you like to select the final topic for this evening?

02:28:43.220 Absolutely.

02:28:47.700 Alright, let's read about Baptists, because I love them, and I love when they block traffic as I try to drive home from church. 1.00

02:28:55.220 Why don't you go ahead and tell us, you know, the byline and where it's from and so on.

02:29:05.680 Alright.

02:29:07.200 Can Southern Baptists call to stop displaying Confederate flag?

02:29:13.500 From the Atlantic.

02:29:15.000 The representative body of Southern Baptists called on its members to stop displaying the Confederate battle flag.

02:29:20.160 The Southern Baptist Convention, the largest Protestant denomination in the U.S., with 15.8 million members, on Tuesday adopted a resolution that said the flag was an emblem of slavery and called members to discontinue its display as a sign of solidarity with the whole body of Christ, including our African-American brothers and sisters.

02:29:37.420 Well, yeah, this was from last year, just for posterity.

02:29:46.080 You know, but I thought that it would be the most of our listeners have probably heard, you know, the Southern Baptist Convention, you know, denounced alt-right white supremacy as, you know, satanic and so forth.

02:29:58.300 I grew up in Pennsylvania.

02:30:01.480 I grew up in the southeast, but I didn't have to drive 40 minutes from my house before I'd see Confederate flags flown.

02:30:09.260 And for want of a better term, no, they were flags of hate.

02:30:12.680 We didn't fly them because we had Southern heritage.

02:30:15.000 We flew them because we hated the federal government and what it was doing to us.

02:30:18.380 We hated the people that had been flooding our homeland and our towns, our places, and what they'd been doing to us. 0.53

02:30:25.540 They'd been raping and killing people. 0.69

02:30:27.500 Everybody knew. 0.99

02:30:28.480 Everybody knew.

02:30:29.220 They flew the Confederate battle flag as a symbol of resistance and hate.

02:30:32.980 It wasn't culture.

02:30:34.280 It wasn't heritage.

02:30:35.320 They flew it for hate's sake, and they were honest enough to say that.

02:30:38.720 And we – it's funny because Pennsylvanians were the first state in the Union to actually rebel.

02:30:43.160 In 1792, they threw the Whiskey Rebellion.

02:30:45.320 And it's the state that is the most honest encapsulation of what America possibly should have been in a lot of ways.

02:30:55.820 And like to watch the Baptists just do this, I knew they would. 1.00

02:30:59.560 They're the guard dogs of the here and now.

02:31:01.620 They're the guard dogs of the status quo.

02:31:03.780 And they just want 30 years ago to be normal.

02:31:06.680 And that's the problem when you become a guard dog of what you consider to be normal instead of the attack dog of what's true.

02:31:15.320 Exactly.

02:31:18.800 And then, I mean, what's there to say?

02:31:21.080 This is the nature of this, you know, degeneration, right?

02:31:27.960 Cultural, theological, and so forth.

02:31:30.260 And so, I mean, you know, I have nothing but sympathy and even an empathy for our Southern brothers and sisters

02:31:37.440 who have to deal with the collapse of their religious institutions, you know, around them.

02:31:47.860 You know, but this is – I mean, the thing is this is an effect which is common to all Western societies, all Western nations.

02:31:55.880 We're seeing that really almost universally everybody is being modernized and diluted, even among, you know, Orthodox, even among, you know, traditional so-called Orthodox.

02:32:08.320 We see this as occurring.

02:32:09.900 Yeah, and I want to clarify also that the fact that it was flown in hate, hate gets such a bad rap as a word.

02:32:21.080 And it's an emotion that is littered throughout the Bible by righteous figures feeling it.

02:32:26.460 He who loves greatly hates also greatly.

02:32:29.020 You're supposed to hate things that threaten things you love.

02:32:32.140 It is absolutely part of life.

02:32:35.360 It's righteous.

02:32:36.220 It should be there.

02:32:36.860 I'm so glad that you mentioned that, that's what I wanted to say, actually, is that we have to reclaim the dreaded H-word.

02:32:47.580 We can't be afraid to be called haters.

02:32:50.920 If you love something, if you truly love it, you must hate that which threatens it.

02:32:59.020 That's it, exactly.

02:33:00.500 Well, and that's the thing is that our – you know, we have our emotions.

02:33:02.700 Emotions, they have ends.

02:33:05.220 They have natural ends.

02:33:06.720 And the error is not that we have these emotions, but that they're directed to unnatural ends, to irrational ends.

02:33:14.120 You know, and so, you know, we ought to hate, of course, what, you know, what God hates and what is opposed to what's good.

02:33:19.720 You know, that's – and that's perfectly rational and reasonable, but it's the hatred gives spiritual motivation to –

02:33:27.020 It's right, it becomes the engine. It becomes the engine for our actions, yeah.

02:33:30.620 Exactly, you know, let the hate flow through you and all that, and so forth.

02:33:36.580 But anyway, gentlemen –

02:33:37.400 Daily reminder that the Sith and the Empire were the good guys. 1.00

02:33:40.240 That's true.

02:33:41.720 I think we've come to the end of our program for today.

02:33:44.320 Thank you for joining us.

02:33:45.760 I'm your host, Florian Geyer.

02:33:47.600 Our listeners, we always appreciate you.

02:33:50.580 Joining me today, I had my co-host, Doc Savage.

02:33:52.840 Doc, thank you for joining us.

02:33:54.340 Always glad to be here. It was a pleasure, gentlemen.

02:33:59.240 Indeed.

02:34:00.380 And, of course, we had Rude. Rude, thanks for coming on.

02:34:03.640 Thanks for having me.

02:34:05.220 And we had Father Raphael Johnson back on again.

02:34:07.560 Father, you know, we always love having you on the program.

02:34:10.060 It always makes for a great show.

02:34:11.720 You know, longer than expected, for sure.

02:34:14.800 Well, one of the reasons I love this show and I love being on is you bring out the best to me.

02:34:19.360 And you structure the conversation in such a way where I – you know, it just brings out the absolute – my views in the best possible way.

02:34:27.720 There's something – there's a clicking there that goes on with us that doesn't happen anywhere else.

02:34:33.060 Well, you know, we're all we – we're glad – very glad that this is exactly the case because we love having you on.

02:34:40.020 So, to our listeners, once again, thank you for joining us.

02:34:44.800 Shalom.

02:34:45.120 Shalom.

02:34:45.300 Shalom.

02:34:54.760 Shalom.

02:35:02.860 Shalom.

02:35:05.600 Shalom.

02:35:13.820 Uns führt der Florian Geier an, trotz Acht und Bann.

02:35:22.860 Den Mundschuh führt er in der Fahrt, hat Helm und Armisch an.

02:35:31.380 Spieß voran, drauf und ran, setzt aufs loser Dach den roten Arm.

02:35:38.940 Spieß voran, drauf und ran, setzt aufs loser Dach den roten Arm.

02:35:51.100 Bei Weinsberg setzt es Rand und Stang, hei ja oh oh.

02:35:59.340 Gar mancher über die Klinge sprang, hei ja oh oh. 0.81

02:36:06.420 Spieß voran, drauf und ran, setzt aufs loser Dach den roten Arm.

02:36:15.420 Spieß voran, drauf und ran, setzt aufs loser Dach den roten Arm.

02:36:23.440 Geschlagen ziehen wir nach Haus, hei ja oh oh.

02:36:34.600 Unsere Enkel fechten's besser aus, hei ja oh oh.

02:36:43.600 Spieß voran, drauf und ran, setzt aufs loser Dach den roten Arm.

02:36:52.280 Spieß voran, drauf und ran, setzt aufs loser Dach den roten Arm.

02:36:59.900 Spieß voran, drauf und ran, setzt aufs loser Dach den roten Arm.

02:37:08.900 Spieß voran, aufsogen.

02:37:10.900 Spieß voran, drauf und ran, setzt aufs loser Dach den roten Arm.

02:37:14.900 Spieß voran, sich zu Hohlen.

02:37:18.900 Spieß voran, drauf und ran.

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