Mysterium Fasces Episode 35 — Charlottesville
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Summary
On this episode of Mysteriumfashions, I'm joined by three men who were there at the event itself: Matt Parrott, Eric Stryker and Zeiger, and returning guest Zyger. We discuss the circumstances of the event, and the fallout from it.
Transcript
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Welcome to Mysterium Fashes, episode 35, Charlottesville.
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I'm your host, Florian Geyer, and I'm very pleased to be joining you once again for
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Today, with me on the panel, I've got three men who were there at the event itself.
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Joining me, I've got returning guest, Zyger, of Iron March and Daily Story.
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Thank you for coming back on once again, Zyger.
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It has been a long time, but your contributions are always highly appreciated, both by myself
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Once again, we have rejoining us on the program, Matt Parrott.
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You're the chief information officer, I believe, of the Trad Youth Network.
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Trad Youth has pretty much been retired, BS, a traditionalist worker party.
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And joining us for the first time in the program, we have Eric Stryker of Daily Stormer.
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Stryker, I'm a big fan of your work, and it's a pleasure to have you on the podcast for the
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So before we get into our actual discussion and analysis of Charlottesville, there's a
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few housekeeping items I wanted to get into the way.
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With the increasing censorship of far-right media platforms, it will become likely in the
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future more and more difficult to access this podcast.
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I haven't been taken down off of SoundCloud, but my main source of distribution, which
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is the Daily Stormer, of course, is under attack, as our listeners ought to know.
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By the way, you probably need to start looking into that now, because SoundCloud is going
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They're a German company, and they're going to be gone soon.
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So the second piece of info to put out is, I want to increase the level of spiritual warfare
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So I'm going to put it in an exhortation to our listeners.
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In the description of this podcast, I'm going to include the Orthodox prayer.
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It's the rite chanted in time of attack by aliens.
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And so I would highly encourage all of our listeners who are Orthodox or Christian to pray
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And hopefully we can organize further activities of this type, because there are things that
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you can do, things that you can do to help the cause spiritually, even if all other means
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So with that out of the way, let's get into the discussion proper.
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So gentlemen, you were all at the event, and most of you were organizers.
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So before we even move into the circumstances of the event itself and the fallout, let's
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tell our listeners, what was the Charlottesville rally?
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It was a unite the right rally in defense of the Robert E. Lee statue was the original
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And as we got closer and closer to the date, the actual nature of the rally sort of evolved.
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Like it was originally supposed to include based stick man and all these alt-like and sort
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of MAGA characters in a broader unity of the right thing.
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But of course, as the pressure intensified, with some noble exceptions, I don't wish to
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But as it got closer and closer to the date, only actual white nationalists, it ended up
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showing it ended up being kind of de facto a white nationalist event.
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It was still, you know, for the Robert E. Lee statue, still for, you know, Southern heritage
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The idea was to bring a lot of groups together that maybe wouldn't have otherwise come together.
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And it ended up being the largest and a historic conflict between the greatest collection of
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Antifa ever aggregated in American history versus the greatest assortment of nationalists,
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white nationalists ever aggregated in American history into one street brawl that we ended up
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So it is, in essence, it was just a protest in defense of Southern culture and history
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In the formation of the event, did you have specific propaganda ends that you were looking
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And Stryker and Zeiger, you're both welcome to interject with your opinions as you'd like.
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Well, I think the main purpose of this event was to bring people off the internet and into
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the street because politics are not a symposium.
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Now, we have the men just mold bug assholes of the world that they can analyze and pick apart
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and criticize and write these long analytical pieces.
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But in reality, we have to be street politicians, which is the person that can actually dominate the
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It's not about who writes the better essay, who has a better PowerPoint, who's got the cooler
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And in this sense, Charlottesville was a huge success because the activists that were there
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were able to not only defeat the Jewish city mayor in the courts, but were also able to take
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the park and hold it from the communist paramilitary groups against all the odds, outnumbered, outgunned.
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This is why the, the, the, the, the nationalists fought against the cops and against the, the,
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So now they're, they're going to the next level with that.
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I mean, um, the alt-right has had kind of a public image for a while that was mostly molded
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by, um, our enemies, by the politicians and communists and stuff like that.
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And that, that image was, you know, in, in a certain sense, it was kind of an image of
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dangerous, but also like we were described as being needs who, uh, live with our, in the
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basements of our parents and who, um, like are only on the internet or, uh, as they say,
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masturbate to, uh, anime porn and stuff like that.
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So, you know, we had a certain impact on the culture at large, but it was time to, uh, make
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that image evolve and show the people that we're actually like normal young men.
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Mostly we're not, uh, you know, just, uh, societies refuse and we can be united.
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We can be politically organized and we can be strong and we can actually accomplish things
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So in that sense, no matter what would have happened after that, um, if we could only push
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that message across, that would have been a victory, uh, propaganda of victory in that
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sense, because it showed ordinary people that, um, the right and that the more, uh, extreme,
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uh, factions of, of the right were actually well-organized and had a real life presence,
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So in essence, what it seems to me is that there was two angles to it.
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I mean, one obviously was, uh, fostering right-wing unity and cohesion and solidarity
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because it'd be a call of the Unite the Right and, uh, nationalist front organizations.
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But the second was, you know, a propaganda display to demonstrate, you know, our power
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I think it's also important to note that, um, another thing propaganda-wise was to show
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that we get the goods, that we can actually hold the space, unlike these other groups
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like Patriot Prayer, who like to, you know, they're alt-light, they like to act like they're
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the white Martin Luther King, and they put their hands up and get their asses kicked.
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And that can work if you got the Jew media on your side, but if you don't, you just get
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Uh, the people at Unite the Right, they use violence completely defensively.
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But we, the, the nationalists showed that they can get the goods, that they can protect free
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speech against the communist paramilitary groups, while all these alt-light groups, despite
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having more money, uh, having a more friendly establishment, they can't do shit.
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Yeah, and that's, that's been an interesting development out of this, is the, the sort of,
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uh, institutional blowback, uh, from, from the Unite the Right event has actually knocked
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over mostly people who didn't even show up to Charlottesville.
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Uh, like, uh, Gavin McGinnis and, you know, the rebel media factions and all these people,
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they've also been getting their strike of accounts revoked.
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They've also been getting their hosting knocked offline.
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They've also been receiving, you know, all that pressure.
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Uh, as you saw in Boston, uh, immediately afterwards, you saw, uh, in the follow-up and even before,
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uh, these, these Proud Boys and other kind of, uh, um, uh, half measures and kosher alternatives
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to the alt-right, uh, just simply don't have the, the same as, as, as Stryker put it, don't,
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And as he said, you, you know, if you can't, uh, defend your voice in public, if you can't
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speak, uh, because of the threats of violence from Antifa, then, then you don't have a legitimate
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You have to prove to the audience, to the public, uh, that you're capable of, you know,
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And we demonstrated that most certainly in Charlottesville.
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Cause I think one of the big differences between, uh, these kind of kosher or more establishment
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friendly groups and, um, the types of groups that were at the unite the right rally is, uh,
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the age demographics, like who does this stuff appeal to?
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So, uh, rebel media, no matter how rebellious that they, they might want to, uh, make themselves
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And, um, all the, all these other kind of more moderate, uh, outlets that also got showed,
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they're more, uh, appealing, I guess, to the boomer demographic, maybe Gen X or maybe even
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And, and those people, they're not the ones who are going to go in the streets and protest.
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And especially not when there's, uh, you know, Antifa threatening to go beat people up.
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Um, whereas the outlets that are more youth or oriented, well, those are the ones who work
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in, you know, put up displays of strength and displays of organization.
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So I think it shows that the future, if we're going to be actually accomplishing anything
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in the real world, um, we need really to appeal to the youth because the youth are the people
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We're already touching on a whole bunch of points that, um, I had personally observed
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And we're going to bring those to a, um, a focus a little bit later on.
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Um, so before we move into the event itself, I wanted to talk to, um, Parrott specifically,
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but also both you, uh, Zeiger and Stryker about the unite the right, um, uh, organizational
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One of the, um, critiques that we're seeing vociferously expressed from, you know, elements
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of, uh, the hard right, other national socialists is that attempting to unify, um, you know,
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with sort of non-ideologically pure, non-fanatical racist liberal types like Richard Spencer and
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opening the door to, um, you know, even further beyond the pale based stick band types, you
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You know, I was even seeing, you know, guys saying ridiculous shit.
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Like if I was in Charlottesville, I would have been, you know, attacking the, uh, attacking
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the, the right with the Antifa because, you know, they have betrayed a national socialism
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So I wanted to lay that on the table and get your opinion and your, um, your logic and your
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I'm a white nationalist and, you know, on, on, on a personal level, I don't really care for
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Richard Spencer, uh, a lot of his ideas and strategies I don't care for, but I I've known
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the man for, uh, I guess over a decade now, and he's definitely a true believer in white
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He's definitely an advocate for our people and, um, he's made tremendous sacrifices and Lord
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knows he could be doing, uh, living a whole lot more comfortable life than he's chosen to
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And, uh, as far as this, uh, picking, picking apart at different groups, um, or talking about
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the period, I mean, that's the whole point of having a separate organization.
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Um, you know, why, why, why do I work with Spencer?
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And, you know, there, there's a continuum with that, right?
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Um, you know, we, we, we have a separate vision, separate principles and a separate idea for
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So we have a separate group, but that we've got to, we've got at the same time, uh, have
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the agility to work together when there's a united threat.
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I mean, those, those Antifa don't even care about the difference between us and the patriot
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hard boomers who were there, who, who actually did a really impressive job.
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These militia types actually got to live out their fantasy of maintaining law and order,
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uh, while the, uh, while law enforcement, uh, was incapable.
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So, uh, you know, that, that had to be awesome for them.
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Uh, but you know, they, they don't, they just are, are against, uh, white people, uh, period.
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So it doesn't matter, you know, what my differences with Spencer, you know, and at the same time,
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like I thought, you know, basic stick man missed an opportunity when he didn't show up,
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But I think that that sort of goes towards, you know, when you, when you're pushing a
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polarization, uh, you, you can't always predict which way people will fall.
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And it's kind of curious how many people in kind of like the magazine, when you, when
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you're like, okay, it's pro-whites versus anti-whites, pick a side.
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And they're like, uh, okay, anti-white, uh, and you know, you just kind of, kind of, uh,
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I, I think it's better that we invited him and he didn't come, uh, rather than him having
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not been invited because now we have some clarity on what his priorities are.
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I, I agree completely with, with Parrott, but I, I would say one thing to the critics
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Uh, honestly, I am more sympathetic to Strasser to a point.
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However, this faction of the NSDAP was attacked, started attacking Hitler for consenting to
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a coalition government with the old reactionaries with Hindenburg and all those people.
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And he did make some concessions in order to create a paradigm or a frame where he could
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But, you know, everything in politics is give and take.
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And as long as people don't cuck on the important stuff, which in my opinion, the number one thing
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that we can't accept any concessions on is on the Jewish question.
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Because as soon as you agree to groups that obfuscate lie and cover for Jews, then you get
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But outside of that, I think we ought to be open to all the groups that are down with
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But we should be within reason down and helping and working together with all of them.
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I mean, at this point, um, none of the people and groups involved is a major political force.
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I mean, there were no political parties involved there and no groups who, um, you know, are
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within arm's reach of maybe taking power or anything like that.
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So, uh, the reality is that the normies and even the media who are covering this, they're
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not going to differentiate between any of the people attending and they're not going to
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be able to give a, you know, a strong and clear political label to anybody.
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So, really, predictably, they just labeled everyone who was there a Nazi and that's it.
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So, in this sense, uh, having a group of more hardcore Nazis, so-called, go there and
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counter-protest, like, the white nationalists, uh, it would have just been a clusterfuck and
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nobody would actually have understood anything.
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It was just, it would just, just created confusion.
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Um, it would have been really kind of silly to do that.
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Um, so that, that's what I mean, addressing what you mentioned, like people say, oh, I
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would have counter-protested the white nationalists and the Antifa.
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I mean, these events, it was already kind of an insane, confusing event that practically
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no one is actually making sense of because of everything that happened and all the lies
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that have been said about it and the, the kind of counter-narratives that have been weaved
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Um, when you have a propaganda event, it has to be very simple and straightforward and people
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have to get a clear message out of it and creating all, creating confusions and like
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different factions and all that, like none of that is actually going to cut through and
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reach the common people if that's what you want to do or even get mentioned in the media.
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So, um, it really, for the United to Right rally, either you didn't go or you went and
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just kind of merged with the, uh, collective there.
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And anyway, obviously, predictably, that collective is just going to be labeled, uh, hardcore
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So I don't really see the point of, um, whining about this.
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Well, here's a point that I think, uh, a friend of mine brought up the other day and I think
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it's critical is that the North American far right or the alt-right, whatever you want
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to call it, is mostly defined by its enemies and by its opposition because the white population
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of North America is at war with international Jewry and the synagogue of Satan and their
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And so the, in a sense, the Unite the Right protesters and the alt-right in general are
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defined by our enemies because we are their enemies, not necessarily because of our, the
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And that's why, you know, guys who are MAGA and guys who are, you know, fucking worship
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James Mason, okay, are considered to be the one in the same entity by the news media and
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by our enemies because they both are, in a sense, you know, anti-Jew to one degree or
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another, pro-white to one degree or another, anti-feminist to one degree or another, and
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And so I think that it's important, um, in North America where we have such an, it's a
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continent, it's not a country, uh, we have such a, uh, a divided and, um, I, atomized
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population that the outside pressure is one of the most powerful forces for building, uh,
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Yeah, and from a propaganda perspective, I mean, would you rather that the media report
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that, uh, you had like 2,000, uh, hardcore fascists who, you know, protested against Antifa or would
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you rather, uh, or would you rather, uh, the media say, oh, there were, uh, 1,997 Trump
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supporters and three, uh, hardcore fascists who counter-protested both of them.
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Like, honestly, if you, if you really want to differentiate yourself from them, um, it might
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not actually improve the, the, the kind of, uh, coverage of the event in your favor, that,
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that's, uh, yeah, that's, uh, to, to bounce off what Zyger said, uh, we, we kind of have
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an opportunity in a way to, uh, leap off of the, uh, Jewish hysteria, right?
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Um, you know, because they, they do, they, they, uh, want to, uh, they also, uh, want this
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to, for some reason, they, they want this to be polarized between the vicious anti-Semites,
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uh, who want to kill 6 million Jews and the, the, the victimized, uh, Jewish people, uh,
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struggling against those mighty, uh, you know, the mighty Pharaoh and, you know, to, to some,
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to some degree like that, that kind of throws a lot of the MAGA types under the bus and they're
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not able, uh, they're not able to define themselves in the public space because they, they always
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Well, right now, what's going on in the West is that we're undergoing a huge, uh, storm.
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It's her hurricane, hurricane Murray, hurricane Shlomo is flying through our cities and we got
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And when you see flooding up to your face, you don't care what the exact, uh, nuances of
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the person helping you is someone comes with an inflatable raft and gets you the hell out
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We don't, we don't even have enough people to even probably win a Republican election in
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So if you're going to get split up into all this factionalism, uh, with when it comes to
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ideology now, of course, I think everyone here is a national socialist to one extent or
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another, uh, however, you know, there are people that aren't quite there or there are
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people that have slightly different views or whatever, but right now what we have to
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politicize in a street movement is our racial self-defense.
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And that racial self-defense is like Parrott said, uh, polarization between us and Jews.
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Once we can do that, once enough people have been polarized against the Jews, everything
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else comes together like a puzzle because this is the red thread throughout history.
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The Jew is the red thread of white oppression of white murder, wherever whites and Jews live
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together in a country, whether it's South Africa, Australia, Argentina, America, Canada, wherever
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these two entities are sharing living space, the white is under attack and the Jew is the
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So this is what we have to have our people understand first before we get into any debate
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about, Oh, does this person want to go this far or that far?
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It seems to me that there is, um, it's absolutely correct that by drawing in sort of these, um,
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other members into the Charlottesville rally, it's certainly from a propaganda perspective
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And so they, you're right, it doesn't give them space to operate as sort of, um, Americana,
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you know, Donald Trump, um, you know, moderate, you know, moderate Republicans or whatever.
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And so I think from a propaganda perspective, that is, um, very useful and helpful.
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So is there anything else you gentlemen would like to say on the organization or, uh, we can
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move into discussing the actual event itself fairly briefly?
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Well, I might just, um, say something I've been kind of thinking about in a certain sense
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related to your initial question of, uh, you know, should fascists or quote unquote more
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hardcore have protested against like the, the general kind of norm, not normie, but more,
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uh, I don't know if you could call them more moderate or white nationalists, you know,
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And I've been thinking that in a certain sense, um, as time goes on, it's becoming more and
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more clear that it's unrealistic to have, uh, a large group in which everyone's a fascist
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basically, because I think in our newly understood, uh, um, conception of, uh, what fascism is about
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and like, uh, what, what, you know, the ultimate truth of all of these things are supposed to
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be, I think only a very small minority of people can attain that kind of level of understanding
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and what the model that we're going to see for the future, I think if we have large groups,
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it's going to be fascists in like the top echelons and, you know, more ordinary people
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Um, saying that we, we, even a very militant and very kind of on the ground
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kind of group who, uh, does a lot of activism, it can be, uh, pretty effective to have, you
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know, people who don't necessarily understand all of these nuances, but who, uh, just follow
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I mean, as long as the leadership understands what's important and, you know, the nature of
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the world, um, most of the other people don't really need to.
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So I've been seeing that a lot in my group, uh, in the sense that a lot of the people in
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my group don't like, don't consider themselves necessarily fascists, but the, the upper echelons
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And basically they, they just follow us even though they don't necessarily, you know, they
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haven't, they haven't read Mein Kampf or they haven't read the doctrine of fascism or anything
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And I don't think they care, but they just want to do something.
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And, uh, they see us as having knowledge and, um, experience and understanding, and
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And so they kind of, uh, they go along with it or they're, they're interested.
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And, um, I think that that's a model that can work for a lot of different types of groups.
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I was going to say that you're, you're very right and on point with that because, um, for
00:29:50.200
example, the golden dawn in Greece, a real world example, the average golden dawn voter
00:29:55.720
doesn't understand all of these things like fascism, national socialism and whatnot, but
00:30:03.100
The leadership is composed of national socialists and the people that are officers and commanders
00:30:11.040
They're all vetted old guard types, but this has an impact that trembles downwards to the point
00:30:19.280
where you have a soccer player, a 20 year old soccer player score a goal.
00:30:27.260
And when someone asked him after there, he's like, I don't even know why I did that.
00:30:34.000
And so not everyone is going to understand every single little nuance and read every book.
00:30:40.460
And, you know, we can't be, uh, nationalists Trotskyites, you know, uh, some of this stuff
00:30:48.620
Well, I agree with both of you gentlemen, but I also, uh, while listening, I thought there's
00:30:55.700
a way to interpret that where it's saying that we put on one face for the normies and put
00:31:13.260
Understand that people, you know, have their different levels of engagement, their levels
00:31:18.660
And that's, uh, one thing strikers always driven home.
00:31:21.680
And I agree with is that the average person is smarter than a lot of us ideologues assume.
00:31:26.700
We, you know, there's so much condescension towards normal people in a lot of, in a lot
00:31:32.300
of these, uh, blogs and stuff that irritates me.
00:31:35.060
Uh, but yeah, we, we should definitely avoid having a sort of esoteric insider versus outside.
00:31:42.300
We should have, uh, a singular unified message.
00:31:45.860
Um, that's, uh, no matter how high up you get in the ranks of the organization, it's the
00:31:51.420
Now, I mean, if you want to, uh, get more into the details of it and things like that,
00:31:55.520
if you're more of an intellectual ideological type, uh, great.
00:31:59.020
But I, I, I want it to where a 16 year old, uh, with access to the internet, uh, if he
00:32:04.940
wants to, can know everything about our ideas, uh, without any obstacles or initiatic, like,
00:32:11.820
Now you get to know what we're really doing here.
00:32:13.880
I think that clarity, simplicity, and honesty is one of the greatest strengths, uh, we have
00:32:24.460
And also, um, I think it's important, but, uh, my, my, to clarify my point though, I agree
00:32:31.560
The average person is smarter than we give them credit for.
00:32:34.920
However, there are some people that you have to bring them in a little slower and teach
00:32:44.860
And I think the way to do that is to keep things slightly out of their reach, you know,
00:32:51.160
If you'll work a bicep with slightly more weight, it gets bigger and you can keep going
00:32:56.560
That's how a lot of these people, because sometimes these nationalist movements, like
00:32:59.700
say the golden dawn or in Slovakia, the Slovak party and such, they gain momentum faster
00:33:07.340
than they can ideologically instruct all their people.
00:33:13.880
They don't say, Hey, you don't agree with my doctrine a hundred percent yet.
00:33:18.260
What they do is they bring anyone who wants to join in and then they instruct them once
00:33:30.120
Because basically the dynamics of any group, it's based on authority and leadership and
00:33:39.420
Even a group in which everyone agrees ideologically can easily fall apart if there is no strong
00:33:45.960
leadership, if there's no human bonds, if the leaders don't have like authority and, you
00:33:56.240
But conversely, you can have a group that's very strong in which a lot of the people don't
00:34:03.440
agree or don't understand the ideology, like in a very deep way.
00:34:07.940
As long as there is a trust and strong human bonds, the ideology can come like over time.
00:34:15.300
As long as the leadership knows, you know, the, or even just one guy, even the leader has
00:34:21.800
a very clear understanding if everyone loves them and respects them and, um, they will be
00:34:29.620
very open to receiving instruction because, um, there's a difference between instructing
00:34:36.320
people and propagandizing basically people need to respect you and, um, follow your authority.
00:34:44.980
And when they do, they will just accept anything you say because of that, uh, faith and trust.
00:34:51.020
So that, that's what I meant mostly when I said that you don't need to have everyone on
00:34:55.320
board, um, ideologically, as long as you're on board ideologically and that you can have
00:35:03.460
the charisma and the kind of leadership to get everyone, um, on your side and respect.
00:35:12.660
And I would just make one, um, observation is that one of the features of, um, you know,
00:35:19.280
Jewish communism, cultural Marxism is that it's totalitarian.
00:35:22.900
And so every action, every part of life becomes like a political statement, a political act,
00:35:31.860
And I think that we, we grow up in this society where like increasingly everything is political.
00:35:37.500
You know, your toothbrush sucks dicks, so to speak.
00:35:41.280
And I think that what we do is we tend to, we, we internalize this.
00:35:45.860
And so we sometimes look at non-political things as if they are political.
00:35:50.820
And so for me, the biggest thing is this with women, you know, like I don't interact with
00:35:58.200
Uh, you know, I don't, you know, I don't, I don't take that approach to any of them that
00:36:03.980
And I think that, you know, a lot of normal people are not especially political, but they
00:36:10.640
do have supra-political values that descend into the realm of the ideological that we
00:36:23.160
They don't, they, they don't want their, uh, kids taught in school to mutilate their genitals
00:36:28.680
and, uh, pump themselves with hormones, uh, and they don't want their children attacked
00:36:33.700
Uh, and, and, you know, these, these very simple things, you know, if you look at, if you look
00:36:39.240
at how we, we've won in the past, um, uh, you know, they, they didn't want Bolsheviks overrunning
00:36:45.980
They, they didn't want these cannibal capitalists, uh, destroying their, uh, working class families
00:36:53.620
And, and, you know, you, you, you can extend from that, these, uh, rather, rather specific,
00:36:59.780
nuanced, uh, national socialist, uh, and fascist principles or whatever, uh, with all kinds
00:37:06.820
But at, at the end of the day, it's, it's more of a visceral tribal thing that we're on
00:37:12.260
the side of you and your family against these sinister forces.
00:37:16.880
Um, and, and, you know, uh, uh, that's, that's a very perennial instinctive tribal national
00:37:26.440
And I think sometimes as idea people, uh, we, we let our ideas and our buzzwords, uh, and
00:37:32.880
our lexicon get in the way of just being like, look, working class family, all these other
00:37:37.420
people are talking about ideas and abstractions.
00:37:41.740
Um, we're, we're, we're standing for your family, for, for your kids.
00:37:46.880
Uh, for your job while all these other people are talking about, you know, anarchism and
00:37:52.540
Marxism and globalism and all these things, you know, we're, we're actually fighting for
00:38:01.660
I think that showing the public, and this isn't to be condescending, but showing the public
00:38:07.800
that we can bring them real world solutions to their problems is far more important than
00:38:14.420
writing some convincing ideological essay about fascism or national socialism.
00:38:20.240
People, like I said before, need to see that we can get them the goods.
00:38:25.960
And then once we get them the goods, they'll be willing to listen to what we have to say,
00:38:31.360
but they're not going to listen to you just because you're, you sound smart or you, you've
00:38:37.360
They're going to listen to you when you show and demonstrate that you can defend them and
00:38:43.100
that you can help them and that you're the only vehicle in town.
00:38:47.300
And that's why it's important to both attack the left, but also fiercely attack conservatives.
00:38:54.120
Now, this is where factionalism can come into play.
00:38:57.780
When I talk about conservatives, I'm not talking about Richard Spencer, what you guys call racist
00:39:04.620
I'm talking about the Gavin McInnes's, Milo's, and absolutely bad chaparral.
00:39:12.800
We have to get all these guys, attack them ferociously and fiercely to, because they take
00:39:19.320
our ideas and offer a fake vehicle to nowhere using our ideas, but a power washing them of the
00:39:30.260
So we have to be principled on the important stuff, but we also have to be practical and
00:39:35.880
reach people in ways that matter to them in their day-to-day lives.
00:39:43.080
Yeah, I think, I think it's pretty, pretty simple to agree with these things.
00:39:46.920
Just, I mean, there's, there's core principles and then there's the application of that to
00:39:52.700
And, I mean, we can look at any of real life examples, whether it's, you know, even national
00:39:58.620
action or a golden dawn, the act, the acquisition of power so that people come and support you
00:40:06.860
and view you as the legitimate defender of the people over the state comes from providing
00:40:12.040
services, from providing rewards to people, from helping them in the issues that they really
00:40:19.660
Zeiger and I and several others did a full podcast on this, on Mysterium Fashies, entitled
00:40:29.040
So, moving into the actual event itself, there's, there are, the past month this has been one
00:40:39.380
of the only things covered in the news media cycle.
00:40:42.000
And certainly it's been discussed intensely by all sorts of far-right media.
00:40:48.300
And I don't want the purpose of this podcast to be, to, to give our listeners a blow by blow
00:40:53.440
There are many other articles and podcasts that you can go read that, that do that.
00:40:57.300
So I want to focus on sort of the big events that took place at the rally and what they
00:41:06.460
So I suppose the, I'll give it to you first, Parrot, you know, if you can give us sort of
00:41:12.560
your quick and dirty as to what happened at Charlottesville.
00:41:18.040
Well, what happened at Charlottesville is they staged a bum fight and they lost.
00:41:22.160
They, they, the, the police, but about a month earlier, there was that Klan rally, which
00:41:31.400
had only like maybe what, 20, 20 Klansmen show up.
00:41:35.360
It was not affiliated with the rest of the movement anyway.
00:41:38.120
I don't wish to counter-signal them, but I'm just saying that it was a separate event.
00:41:41.380
Um, and what happened was this large assortment of several hundred Antifa, um, that the police
00:41:48.880
fought them back and made sure that none of the Klansmen who were exercising their first
00:41:53.000
amendment permitted, uh, you know, American Nazi party versus Skokie ruling, uh, you know,
00:41:58.720
they had every right to, uh, host that event and the police were obligated to protect them
00:42:06.060
Uh, so what, what kind of happened with Charlottesville was this toxic thing where you have the mayor
00:42:10.180
and the vice mayor, uh, both eagerly wanting to help Antifa and they were under the impression
00:42:16.400
that there would be enough Antifa there that if the police stood down and just said that
00:42:21.640
they lost control of the situation, um, that they could be, you know, the, the mayor and
00:42:27.800
the vice mayor, uh, uh, Sanger and Bellamy, uh, who defeated the alt-right and ran, ran the
00:42:35.220
alt-right out of their town, you know, ran, ran the racist out, uh, and it was going to
00:42:42.020
Uh, and what, what actually happened was, uh, we ended up winning the fight and after,
00:42:48.620
after, you know, it feels so much longer when you're actually in the middle of the brawl,
00:42:52.900
but I guess it was only like half an hour of actual, uh, fighting that I was even involved
00:42:57.780
in for, for the state of emergency was declared and I was arrested.
00:43:01.540
Um, uh, we ended up winning and once they saw that we were winning, uh, then they called
00:43:08.800
the game off, but it was, it was too late and they'd lost control, you know, it was just
00:43:13.120
poor planning on their part, but, but the police on the individual level very much had like,
00:43:18.540
uh, okay, you guys want to accuse us of being tyrannical if we get involved, you know, have
00:43:23.140
bad each other. Um, uh, sort of a smug, uh, derelict attitude. Uh, and the, the, you know,
00:43:31.040
the, the local and state leadership were, uh, totally behind them on that. And it ended up
00:43:36.920
being a rather toxic situation for them where after they lost, then, you know, there was all
00:43:42.160
these antipers running up to the police. Like, why aren't you, you know, why aren't you protecting
00:43:45.920
us? Why aren't you? Well, it's, it's like, you know, uh, you're, you're supposed to be
00:43:49.700
defeating these, these racists, uh, go, go, go defeat them. We're standing back to let
00:43:54.360
you do that. But they kept losing in the actual, you know, street battle. So, you know, in the
00:44:01.000
aftermath, like, you know, Sanger's run out of his own city council meetings by, by the
00:44:05.680
antifa who were mad that they didn't get protected enough. Uh, which is, uh, especially
00:44:10.640
funny given all the, you know, uh, what, what I like is, uh, you know, anarchist
00:44:16.160
theorists are, are the first victims of anarchy in practice, you know, all these
00:44:20.660
anarchists, uh, mad that the cops didn't do their job. Chaos, what? I didn't expect
00:44:27.280
this. Well, well, from everything I've seen, um, like from my account, I'm pretty
00:44:34.780
sure that antifa were actually outnumbered at the event. Uh, what do you guys
00:44:40.500
think about that? Is that your perception as well? On our side, I know, uh, um, there
00:44:48.320
was a, a lot of, uh, uh, failure to communication, fog of war, uh, you know, kind
00:44:54.100
of stuff. Yeah. We were separated a lot. Yeah. But I felt outnumbered, uh, by the
00:45:00.020
antifa crowd, which seemed to sprawl endlessly. But I mean, the thing is in what
00:45:03.960
we, you know, same way in Sacramento, the problem with antifa is, you know, you have
00:45:08.760
a quality versus quantity thing. Like, you know, 80% of the nationalists who
00:45:13.620
showed up were psychologically and physically prepared to fight. Uh, maybe
00:45:20.440
20% of the antifa were, and once, you know, I think it's one of the reasons we
00:45:25.620
won in Sacramento with such absurd odds. In Sacramento, it was 20 versus 300, and
00:45:30.580
we won. But, you know, the problem is the actual fighters get lost in the sea of
00:45:35.940
jackasses who showed up as sort of like a, you know, a Facebook event kind of, oh,
00:45:41.520
we're gonna, we're gonna shake our fists at fascists. And then when it's an actual
00:45:45.900
fight, um, there, there were very few in the antifa thing actually prepared, prepared
00:45:53.980
to brawl when the brawling was on. Uh, you know, maybe if they'd manage, but, you
00:45:59.520
know, they, they ideologically by principle can't properly coordinate or structure
00:46:03.940
themselves, because that would go against their whole, you know, uh, degenerating
00:46:09.480
And you will, and I'll tell you, that's actually, the antifa didn't really want to
00:46:13.400
attack. Uh, I think from what I understand, the antifa were scared that they didn't
00:46:17.780
want to attack. The only thing that created the conflict, like the, the brawl, was
00:46:23.400
because the police basically marched and forced the two groups together.
00:46:26.880
They did. Yeah. And there's very much like, uh, uh, you know, when the Nationalist Front
00:46:33.080
was entering and they, they had created that human shield wall. Like I was looking at the
00:46:36.700
video and there's, they all kind of held hands, um, to block us. And you could see their eyes
00:46:42.580
get wider and wider as they realized this was not some symbolic Black Lives Matter, you
00:46:49.020
know, walking some poor bastard going to work in the morning kind of thing. We have to sit
00:46:53.440
there in his car looking at this fat Black girl. Like these, these guys were actually going to
00:46:59.400
force themselves through. And that, that moment of realization where, no, this is not some,
00:47:05.340
some cheesy, uh, uh, cheesy media and protester kind of thing, you know, like they do with the Black
00:47:12.100
Lives Matter and the Black Black stuff. And you saw in St. Louis, uh, yesterday, uh, they were
00:47:17.640
actually going to have to fight. And that, you could see like, you know, uh, their, their smile
00:47:22.820
and optimism gone, you know? Yeah. Well, when we arrived at the park, like my group,
00:47:29.100
um, um, there were protesters like blocking the way they were holding hands and everything
00:47:34.820
like saying, Oh, you're not going to get in. And we just marched in and they, they split
00:47:40.840
open like the Red Sea, like they put up no resistance as soon as we arrived at the, uh, you
00:47:46.020
know, where, where they were holding hands. So yeah, they, they were not really, um, enthusiastic
00:47:51.620
about, uh, fighting. And obviously we were not going to fight anybody unless we were
00:47:56.700
attacked. Um, it was all purely defensive. So I, I think I'm pretty confident that if
00:48:02.940
the police had not behaved the way that they did, that there would have been no brawl
00:48:09.700
Well, obviously they would have thrown shit at us.
00:48:13.380
Well, when it came to the nationalist front, the, uh, the column that marched in on market
00:48:19.640
street, we were definitely outnumbered there. And, um, I have to say the antifas that were
00:48:26.740
there were probably expecting because for all the crap they talk about the Nazis and white
00:48:32.900
supremacists being so violent and vicious, they're actually used to a, in reality, they expect the
00:48:41.060
guys they're protesting against to sit there and take their bullshit. So when they saw the
00:48:47.140
nationalist front approaching on market street, they did have the numbers. They had the crowd
00:48:51.720
and I think they were willing to fight, but they didn't understand that the nationalist
00:48:56.400
front was willing to fight back and willing to use whatever means at, at the disposal of
00:49:02.740
the group to get into the permitted rally. So once they realized that they scrambled away,
00:49:10.900
like vermin, I mean, one of the guys is going help, help, help. And the other guy was like,
00:49:17.180
Oh, we'll get back. There was some black guy begging people. Come on guys. You got to come
00:49:21.900
back. So, I mean, we've seen the footage we were outnumbered, but you see, the problem
00:49:26.640
is that everyone, I'm pretty confident that 90% of the people that marched in the nationalist
00:49:32.520
front column, we're not afraid to die that day. And the antifas they're used to sniping.
00:49:38.880
They want to see what drives an antifas is the idea that you can physically harm someone
00:49:46.960
that offends you or that you don't like, or that you don't like the look of that you can
00:49:51.580
physically hurt them and then run away and retreat to your middle-class lifestyle to go
00:49:56.320
eat some fucking couscous or go and, uh, uh, do eat some fusion food and watch a Broadway
00:50:01.620
play. But see that day on, uh, in Charlottesville on August 12th, this was something they had
00:50:09.180
never seen before. And I guarantee to you that they're still traumatized about it. They have
00:50:15.220
never seen. That's why, you know, this is why antifas show up in big numbers to attack
00:50:19.580
the proud boys, to attack the Patriotard prayer, to attack all these other alt light groups,
00:50:25.760
because they know they don't, they don't hit back. So what they do is they take the beating
00:50:30.420
from the nationals, the real thing, and then they go and they run off and take it out on
00:50:34.640
Gavin McInnes, which is fine by me. I don't care.
00:50:36.800
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's the irony of it. Like the, the more moderate a group is,
00:50:45.260
the more likely it is to be attacked by antifa or radical feminists or anybody like that. Um,
00:50:53.460
we, we, when you project weakness, you invite violence. Indeed. And I would make a comment is
00:51:01.740
that the, um, antifa, you know, who were organized fairly centrally through George Soros and his,
00:51:08.220
um, money laundering organizations and subsidiaries, they, like, they actually have an internal color
00:51:12.980
system about who is willing to, you know, commit violence and who's not. And so you're actually
00:51:18.780
absolutely correct. It's only about, uh, one in 10 or one in 20 that has, um, you know, previously
00:51:24.680
signed up, you know, for whatever the, their black band or whatever, which says that they're willing
00:51:29.840
to, uh, throw acid in people's faces and, you know, use bike locks and that kind of stuff.
00:51:36.420
So I have to correct you there on, on the Soros thing. I actually, I, I've known antifas all my
00:51:44.320
life and I can say that they probably don't directly take money from Soros. However, the groups that
00:51:52.680
cover for them, like these, uh, these, um, liberal groups, the progressive groups, for example, I'll tell
00:51:58.780
you this, Cornell West was in Charlottesville with all the local Charlottesville clergy, you know,
00:52:06.020
they got the dyke and the rabbi and these people were actively covering, supporting the, cause what
00:52:16.280
happens is that the antifas, they are, they are, they do coordinate the antifas go, they attack people
00:52:21.500
and then they run back behind the official face, right? They run behind the clergy, the, uh, the
00:52:27.900
liberals, the, the so-called pacifists. These people provide smoke screens for the antifas, but
00:52:34.240
they're all indeed working together and the antifas get indirect support from this big Jew money through
00:52:41.480
the national lawyers guild, which represents them pro bono. Whenever they commit a felony, they get ACLU
00:52:47.620
support because as much as the ACLU says they sued and protected our rights at Charlottesville.
00:52:52.940
The truth is that they were late Johnny come lately's and they didn't do shit once it was
00:52:59.040
necessary. Once we needed them, uh, to, for, for example, to advocate for our rights, they didn't
00:53:04.480
do anything. In fact, they started attacking us. So that was all BS. So in other words, these leftists,
00:53:10.700
these antifas, the, the, the communist terrorists depend. There's always a degree of separation.
00:53:17.180
The, the, the anarchists on the street gets connected to Daryl Lamont Jenkins, who's connected
00:53:23.540
to the Southern poverty law center, which is connected to the ADL, which is connected to the
00:53:28.760
U S government. So yes, there is a lot of that, but, uh, they make sure to keep a facade of a degree
00:53:36.300
of separation between them. But yes, they, they, uh, it's not really Soros, but it, there are Jews
00:53:42.700
behind the scenes that aren't facilitating them. Yeah. I mean, I can give an example in the sense
00:53:49.720
that, uh, this is something that not that many people know, but, uh, one of the big funders of
00:53:55.900
Antifa is, um, some, uh, an organization called United for equality and affirmative action.
00:54:03.300
And that's kind of a, kind of a hoax charity thing organized by Donna Stern and, uh, they directly
00:54:11.780
fund, um, by any means necessary BAMN. And I guess everyone knows, uh, about Yvette Falarka,
00:54:19.300
you know, she's a middle school teacher and she's totally insane. And, uh, those are people who are
00:54:24.880
actually like organizing Antifa groups and organizing violence and bussing people around.
00:54:32.220
And, um, so it's not just George Soros. I mean, there's multiple organizations like, uh, United
00:54:40.900
for equality and affirmative action who are taking money from various liberal causes and funneling
00:54:47.420
them into, uh, you know, direct Antifa violence. And some research has been done into that.
00:54:52.480
Yeah, indeed. My point was the father, Raphael Johnson, who, uh, was there and was blinded by
00:54:58.760
bear mace after he recovered, uh, went through and traced some of the money that was being laundered
00:55:04.600
through these, um, different, uh, you know, PACs and shell organizations and activist groups. And,
00:55:11.120
you know, he, it was his conclusion that, you know, not George Soros exclusively, but he was among
00:55:16.820
one of the largest funders of many of these, uh, groups and that it was just simply, uh,
00:55:22.960
laundered several times down. But indeed, both of you are correct. Oh yeah. So the,
00:55:29.280
the, basically the actual circumstances, the event, it seems to me is to be short, um, that you all,
00:55:36.760
uh, showed up as a kind of, uh, pan right rally to defend Southern heritage and the statue of Robert E.
00:55:43.560
Lee, having done everything according to the, uh, letter of the law and getting the, uh, a lawful
00:55:49.640
permit to assemble. And then what happened is literally the first scene of George Lincoln
00:55:54.880
Rockwell's this time, the world, except 60 years later. And for those of you who have not read that
00:56:00.920
book in the first chapter or the first, uh, section of the book, I can't recall exactly George Lincoln
00:56:06.440
Rockwell recalls, uh, a scene that was strikingly similar to Charlottesville where his ANP had gotten
00:56:14.160
the permits to set up and do a rally, a public speech. And they got there and showed up and were
00:56:19.540
abiding the law. And suddenly Jews and Antifa or communists showed up and the police walked away.
00:56:28.100
They stood by as the, uh, the, the, the commies and the Jews rushed in and physically assaulted them.
00:56:35.260
And then when the nationalists defended themselves, the police came in and arrested them.
00:56:39.300
So it doesn't seem to me as if what occurred is anything particularly new, uh, in American history.
00:56:45.700
No, but it's not new, but it's kind of a fresh lesson for people who are not aware of history.
00:56:55.080
Um, you know, I, I was not an organizer, but I did sit in, um, some of these organizing meetings,
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um, just mostly to listen. And yeah, I mean, um, there was a certain naivete in the sense that,
00:57:11.280
uh, you know, they were doing everything right. They were communicating with the police like every
00:57:16.900
day, like they were calling them and asking them how things were going to organize and stuff like
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that. They were, uh, you know, doing, making large efforts to get like a legal permit and maintain that
00:57:29.660
legal permit. And they, they had warned the city months in advance and all that. And, uh, they were
00:57:35.700
confident that everything was going to go well because of that. Now, a lot of people who are more aware of
00:57:41.680
this history, who've read, you know, this time in the world and say, well, that's ridiculous. You don't do that
00:57:46.560
because, uh, the, the city is against you. The city is Antifa and, uh, Charlesville has basically
00:57:54.000
thought a whole new generation, the practical lessons of what happens when you try to collaborate
00:58:00.940
with the system in order to, you know, get your rights respected. And the answer is that it doesn't
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work like that. Uh, they're going to betray you. They're only, all the information you're giving them
00:58:13.840
and all the coordination that you do with the government and the police, they're only going
00:58:18.220
to use that information to screw you over better in the end. Um, and that's an important lesson.
00:58:25.260
It's an important lesson, but, uh, you know, we, we at Tradworker, uh, we always come with these
00:58:30.720
shields. Uh, we always come prepared for the worst case scenario. Uh, but you know, the counter
00:58:38.280
argument to that was like in Pikeville, in Harrisburg, um, generally on the East coast,
00:58:43.840
up until Charlottesville, uh, you know, in Pikeville, we came with shields, we came armed,
00:58:49.720
we came ready to fight and we actually practiced drills and stuff before Pikeville. But as it turned
00:58:55.160
out, you could have easily worn like flip-flops and a Bermuda shirt without any weaponry at all.
00:59:01.220
Um, and brought your baby stroller, uh, because the police had it on lockdown, uh, same way in
00:59:06.140
Harrisburg. Um, so you, you never really know, but you've always got to, uh, to both your, uh,
00:59:12.340
gentlemen, we certainly can't trust, uh, we, we cannot trust the state to do its basic job
00:59:20.600
of maintaining order and following its own rules and laws. It can and will pull, pull it
00:59:26.840
out from under you. And at all times we have to, uh, be prepared, um, both that principle
00:59:33.180
and pragmatics. We have to be prepared to defend our own turf.
00:59:37.480
It depends on the city. Yeah. Yeah. The, the, the, the problem was Charlottesville,
00:59:43.040
the Jew mayor is an outspoken antifa, right? So the, the Charlottesville PD is going to protect
00:59:52.280
your rights. Uh, that's about as likely as pigs flying. And as we saw with those Keystone cops,
00:59:58.860
they can't even fly a helicopter. So pigs don't fly. You know, this is the, the, the real story
01:00:05.080
of Charlottesville that, um, you, you have to, you have to always control. I mean, I, I was going
01:00:11.960
to say before about, uh, in my last podcast, I talk a lot about the German American Bund in the 1930s.
01:00:19.360
They did everything by the book. They were not an espionage organization. They were not, uh,
01:00:25.420
Hitler made sure that there was always a degree of separation between him and the Bund.
01:00:29.580
And yet we had the Jewish judge, Pearl Stein of New York who knew Fiorello LaGuardia, who's half
01:00:39.600
Jewish, the mayor of New York, who on top of that knew Rabbi Wise, the most, one of the most powerful
01:00:45.280
Jews in the world at the time, he founded the world Jewish Congress, the NAACP. This is like a, a mega
01:00:51.120
kike, right? So all of these guys, uh, they summoned Meyer Lansky, the number one criminal in America at
01:01:01.280
the time. And they coordinated with him. They coordinated whenever the Bund would have an event,
01:01:07.140
all of these Jews would get together and coordinate for Meyer Lansky and his mafia guys to attack the
01:01:14.220
legally permitted conference or rally or event. And they did this until they were able to get
01:01:21.680
enough clout in the government through Samuel Dickstein and his Dickstein committee to strip
01:01:28.480
the leader of the German American Bund of his citizenship, put him in a concentration camp and
01:01:33.920
then deport him to Germany. So this is how it works. Jews, uh, do not care about breaking the law.
01:01:40.780
They don't care about any ethical concerns and they really don't care about your first amendment
01:01:46.620
rights. I mean, they'll wipe their balls with that. So, uh, the, the, the main story here is that
01:01:52.800
you got to take it on a case by case basis. And like both of you guys said, always be prepared for
01:01:58.940
things to go bad. Yeah. I mean, the point is the more hostile the city is and the more time you give
01:02:08.740
them to prepare for words, like the more forewarning you give them, the less likely it is that, uh,
01:02:14.860
things are going to go smoothly. Um, in, in, uh, England national action learned this lesson
01:02:22.360
and basically stopped giving warnings or legitimate warnings to the government that they were doing
01:02:27.960
protests. And they saw that when they stopped warning people, uh, Antifa didn't show up because,
01:02:36.360
uh, like the, the government was, uh, obviously sending like they were, they were busting Antifa
01:02:42.340
in to, uh, attack it. Yeah. I need the battle of Liverpool. Let's not forget. I was going to say
01:02:48.800
the battle of the last thing before we change the topic. Don't, don't forget that there was already
01:02:53.220
a Charlottesville rally months before that was at the statue, including a torch rally. It was a hundred
01:02:59.400
percent peaceful, no problems, nothing. And yes, it's like Zeger says it was unannounced. So there was
01:03:06.460
no problems. So it's obvious that it's not the nationalists who are the ones causing the problems.
01:03:13.220
Absolutely. Joining us on the podcast. Now we also have doc mayhem who was on the ground in
01:03:18.940
Charlottesville doc. Welcome to the program. No, we're pleased to have you back on. We're just nearing
01:03:24.840
the end of our first hour discussing this, uh, the planning, uh, and the actual event itself.
01:03:31.100
And then after we come back from the break, we're going to get into the fallout and the, uh, the
01:03:34.980
analysis of our current situation back to what we were discussing with national action. Yet the
01:03:39.300
battle of Liverpool, which is an excellent, excellent propaganda video, um, is proof of this
01:03:46.020
concept. And so for those of you who are not familiar with what national action did is, you know,
01:03:50.380
Liverpool is, was inside is one of the biggest leftist cities in, uh, in England. And so national
01:03:55.960
action, they went to protest in the, in the center of the city and they gave false warnings to both
01:04:01.900
Antifa and the police as to where they were going to be and sent distraction parties to different
01:04:06.660
parts of the city at different times of the day in order to confuse people because they knew what
01:04:11.520
would happen in Charlottesville would happen in Liverpool if they didn't use these tactics.
01:04:15.560
And so what this meant was that by the time NA showed up at, uh, the site of the protest,
01:04:22.220
the police had already showed up and had formed a corded line to separate them from the Antifa,
01:04:27.580
which they never would have done if they hadn't confused the Antifa and led them away.
01:04:31.740
And so this sort of, um, innovative technique, this is actually one of the many legitimate teachings
01:04:37.300
of James Mason's, um, siege, which is don't warn your enemies when you are going to demonstrate.
01:04:45.560
All right. The only issue with that one is, um, you do have to get permits and the like,
01:04:50.760
so that that's a little bit of a problem, but not technically. No, uh, the first amendment does
01:04:57.080
allow you to protest without a permit. Yeah. But then you get a felony. Uh, if, if a fight breaks
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out, then they, they, uh, the stare decisis is that we lose. And, uh, that, that's, that's kind of
01:05:10.940
what happened too. Yeah. The other thing to worry about too, is if you have weapons and like in
01:05:15.840
Virginia, this is why our, uh, security guy, uncle Shuffy straight up said, don't bring, you know,
01:05:21.200
didn't carry no weapons. Cause when a state of emergency is declared, anyone carrying a weapon
01:05:26.440
is automatically committing a felony and will be arrested as such by those worthless pigs. So,
01:05:33.260
yeah, not, not just that, but we also have to be careful to not make the rally, the, uh, end,
01:05:41.680
you know, the rallies are a means to an end, not the end. Uh, in the case of national action,
01:05:46.660
they could get a few hundred people out. So in those cases, when you're outnumbered like 200 to 5,000,
01:05:53.260
that might be important, at least until you build up your profile. But at Charlottesville,
01:05:58.060
we had all about even numbers with the Antifa. So we could actually hold the park. We could
01:06:04.500
actually, at least theoretically do our rally. The whole point of the demonstrations is to show
01:06:11.140
that you're willing to go out and you can hold public space. If you're playing all these tricks
01:06:16.360
and, and, and all these, uh, little things, these whack-a-mole type of games, you know, what if
01:06:21.340
someone that isn't, you know, after you get to a certain point, after a thousand people, there's going
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to be randoms that want to show up. And, you know, there's a whole slew of issues that come
01:06:32.200
up with that. The rallies are a means to an end. The rallies are how we fight for our space,
01:06:38.580
how we fight to hold ground so that you can be us in public. Because right now, the power of the
01:06:45.020
system, the reason we don't have hate speech laws in America is because the system depends on the
01:06:50.640
communist paramilitary groups to forbid us of having the space, the no platform. So if we can
01:06:57.860
hold the space and make it okay to be us and speak our minds in public, many, many, many more people
01:07:04.680
will join and the system is going to have to go to the next level and come up with something else.
01:07:10.360
Oh, definitely. You couldn't, you couldn't have like national action type tactics with a rally like
01:07:16.920
Charlottesville. I mean, that's not what I was trying to imply. Oh, no, certainly not. Neither was I.
01:07:21.240
Obviously for a large rally, you have to get a permit and warn people months in advance and all of that.
01:07:27.700
I'm just saying that in the future, we might see that, um, individual groups who are tightly, uh,
01:07:34.740
organized can use these tactics and avoid conflict altogether and avoid, you know, the state meddling
01:07:42.340
in their, uh, events basically. Yeah. After, after Chicago, uh, that incident where, uh, that boy
01:07:48.960
was, uh, kidnapped by the, uh, you know, uh, gentleman of color and tortured for several hours on live
01:07:55.200
stream. Uh, we, we had a, a very well organized, uh, flash protest where about 20 of us descended on
01:08:03.640
downtown Chicago, uh, gave a few speeches over the course of about 20 minutes and then climbed in a
01:08:09.320
van and got out of there. And we, you know, we, we successfully delivered a message. There wasn't
01:08:14.460
a time for confrontation really. Uh, you know, we were prepared for confrontation, but I think,
01:08:20.180
uh, in the future, um, you know, as far as I, the, the torchlight rally was an optic optical success.
01:08:27.640
Uh, but I, I don't think it was worth the risk, uh, because if Antifa had shown up in real numbers
01:08:33.960
and a conflict had broken out, uh, I think we would have received even more arrests than we got
01:08:39.620
because that having a permit, uh, gives you a whole lot more leeway in self-defense. Um, because when
01:08:48.200
you, when you don't have a permit, then the guy who's directly up in your face, threatening you,
01:08:52.280
um, is legally on the same standing as you. And we, as nationalists, of course, with lawfare are
01:08:58.400
always on the back foot because we don't have the resources. We don't have the benefit of the doubt.
01:09:02.260
We don't have, you know, we, we don't have the attorneys, uh, the system stacked against us. So
01:09:07.160
we, we need to either make sure we're leaning heavily on our, our, our first amendment, uh, uh,
01:09:14.440
rights there with a, with a permit clutched in our fist, uh, or, or it's a flash, it's a flash
01:09:20.400
demo with very little likelihood of confrontation because confrontation without a permit is very
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legally dangerous for us. Excellent. So gentlemen, we have in fact come to the end of the first
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segment of our show. So we're going to take a little break and put on a little light music.
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And when we return, we will dive right back into things. So to our listeners, stay tuned.
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Welcome back to Mysterium Fashies, episode 35, part 2. Thanks for rejoining us today.
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The black sun rises high. The black sun rises high. The reds are all in bed with the reds.
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Show the world how you take refuge in the system. Yeah. Show them how you coward hide. Advocate white genocide.
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Welcome back to Mysterium Fashies, episode 35, part 2. Thanks for rejoining us today.
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Thanks for rejoining us from the break, listeners. We're going to pick up right where we left off.
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So, we're getting to the... I don't want to get into the event any further, as I said,
01:13:12.400
but we do need to treat a couple other things. So, the media has been portraying this event as,
01:13:18.000
you know, highly violent, and we know that there are, you know, people on our side certainly who were
01:13:23.680
acid and chemical attacked. And so, I want to give you guys who were there just a couple of
01:13:30.720
minutes just to talk about the nature of the violence and essentially describe our glorious
01:13:41.760
Well, I have to say the... there was a contingent of antifas that were extremely violent. They actually
01:13:48.880
took one guy who was a straggler and they caved his head in, an old disabled guy. And of course,
01:13:55.280
they threw acid in people's faces. We had acid thrown on us. Our arms were burning the whole day
01:14:02.080
for a couple of days, actually. You know, these are sick people. These are sick, rabid savages.
01:14:09.520
We had also... there was a few blacks that they recruited out of projects or something. I don't
01:14:15.360
know if they paid them or what, but these blacks were all tough and they were trying to approach
01:14:21.120
people with sticks and baseball bats and stuff. But, you know, as we saw with DeAndre Harris,
01:14:27.120
who is now a victim, apparently, this guy went, he hit someone in the head and then got his ass kicked,
01:14:33.200
and then goes and complains that it was a hate crime. And the Charlottesville cops arrested
01:14:41.040
two guys in connection with that, even though they were practicing pure self-defense. But I think
01:14:48.000
what was interesting was these blacks, they're so used to white people, especially in Charlottesville,
01:14:53.360
where all the white people are pussies. They're so used to just white people ceding ground to them,
01:14:58.640
just being afraid of them, just taking a beating from them. And that day they saw white people that
01:15:03.840
fight back and you could see the fear in their eyes. It was like a deer caught in the headlights.
01:15:09.600
These blacks, they came all aggressive with baseball bats and they ran away screaming for
01:15:14.320
their mamas and for auntie. And it was, it was quite interesting, but yes, the violence was entirely
01:15:20.640
defensive. They use, they threw feces at people. One guy was getting cut and then they would cut him
01:15:28.240
with a knife and then someone would throw feces, sewage at him, you know, to get him sick. You know,
01:15:34.000
these are, these are, this is the type of stuff fags and Jews and, and all these blacks and stuff
01:15:38.160
there were doing that did not get through the Jude impressa because they have a narrative to spin.
01:15:48.000
Yeah. I mean, it was pretty disgusting. I mean, I, um, I didn't see much of it myself. Uh,
01:15:54.400
you know, I saw like some of the, um, fighting at the torchlight rally, but, uh, the next day I was,
01:16:02.000
uh, like I said, I kind of, um, left and went to the other park at once the police, uh, told us to disperse.
01:16:11.400
Um, but, uh, one of my guys did get hit with a bat and he got his arm hurt because of that. And, um,
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uh, you know, some of them, uh, while, while the rally was going on, you know, you could see like
01:16:24.820
every couple of seconds bottles being thrown from the Antifa side towards our side. And, you know,
01:16:30.400
I've seen plenty of people getting, uh, uh, maced and stuff like that. So even like before the actual,
01:16:36.940
uh, big confrontation later on, uh, there was plenty of aggression going on.
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Go, uh, parrot, would you like to, um, add your perspective?
01:16:50.460
Uh, it was, uh, definitely, uh, intense. I, I spent, uh, all of my time sort of, uh, going, uh,
01:16:59.300
outside the shield wall, uh, finding, finding our fighters who were either down or pepper sprayed
01:17:05.580
and pulling them back into the shield wall to the medics. I didn't actually end up throwing a single
01:17:10.860
punch. Uh, I, I spent a tremendous amount of time in the middle of the fight, uh, because I was
01:17:15.720
getting guys, uh, you know, I, I, I'm not much of a fighter or brawler, but I thought, you know,
01:17:21.600
where I could add value here is, you know, going and getting those guys, getting them, you know,
01:17:26.800
recovered. And, you know, what was really incredible is we'd have guys just absolutely
01:17:30.960
pepper sprayed right in the face, uh, run back. Uh, we had some excellent medics, uh, there from
01:17:36.660
several organizations, uh, clean them up. And those guys would then, you know, uh, take a minute
01:17:42.400
to recover and then dive right back out into the fight. It was, it was really heartening and
01:17:47.920
incredible. And just to see that kind of, you know, cause it was very easy to avoid the fight
01:17:53.920
if you wanted to, but we had so many young men and including some old men like, you know, Dr. Hill
01:17:58.520
and, uh, Michael Tubbs from the League of the South, uh, who were older and they were all just,
01:18:04.040
uh, you know, had that courage on display. I don't think the Antifa was prepared for,
01:18:14.700
All right. And mayhem, you were in fact, one of the medics on the ground. Is that true?
01:18:20.260
Yeah. You know, mainly because, um, you know, I've done EMT school and, uh, I was like, well,
01:18:26.840
shit. Okay. Guess I'm doing medic now because I ended up, someone abandoned some first aid kits
01:18:31.980
in their hurry to get the fuck out. And I'm like, well, shit, I'm going to pick these up.
01:18:35.920
Maybe I can do, and sure as shit. One of the, the first aid kit, one of them had a, uh, what do
01:18:42.660
you call it? A pepper spray decontaminant in it? Well, guess what I was doing the whole time
01:18:49.240
because, uh, everyone was getting pepper sprayed left and right. And I had the thing to make it go
01:18:54.680
away. So I was going, Oh, Hey, you got pepper spread here. Spray. Uh, had some bandages too. And I
01:19:00.100
was helping out the main paramedic, uh, who was with me at the time. I forgot who, what, what his
01:19:06.420
screen, I'm not going to dox him. So I don't, I forgot his screen name. Um, some of the, it was
01:19:12.300
basically some guys got scrapes and cuts. I'm going to get stitches. Could have been worse.
01:19:18.820
The, the medics did an amazing job at, but one thing I would criticize them is that they were
01:19:23.600
actually, there was a lot of journalists that were running back, you know, for all the big,
01:19:29.840
bad, evil, neo-Nazis, the journalists there were running back into our side of the park
01:19:36.440
to get help. And there was all these journalists that had pepper spray in their eyes and they got
01:19:41.180
hurt and stuff. And our medics were treating them. Do you think any of these journalists,
01:19:46.460
like, do you think any of these journalists went out and said, Oh, well, you know, the Nazis,
01:19:50.200
they actually helped us. They actually were very nice. And they, they, they weren't the
01:19:54.320
violent ones. They, they actually helped with the pepper spray and they helped the medics
01:19:58.680
and stuff. No, they didn't say anything. So next time, fuck them. Tell them, go get it
01:20:03.820
from your Antifa friends. Yeah. We should have said that in the first place. The minute we
01:20:07.120
found, wait, you're a journalist. No, no, no. Fuck you. Get the fuck out of here. Go get
01:20:11.300
help from your auntie. Throw them to the Antifas. Throw them to the Antifas. Go get help
01:20:15.040
from Antifa, you journalist scum. Remember, journalists are enemies, period. And seriously,
01:20:20.200
we need to just, I can't wait for the day of reckoning to come in when we can start
01:20:25.540
hanging them from lampposts. Um, I forgot who said it, but they said America will never
01:20:30.120
be free until the New York times building is a funeral pyre and every journalist and
01:20:36.640
every journalist is put against a wall to be fucking shot that that's only then will
01:20:43.040
America be free. Sounds like journalists are Antifa. Yeah, there's no meaningful difference
01:20:48.980
between them. Like one of my guys, once we came back, I mean, we got, um, you know,
01:20:54.320
doxed by Antifa and, um, like the newspapers plastered our faces all over local and national
01:21:04.060
news, basically. And one of our guys against our better judgment, uh, did some interviews
01:21:11.500
and like, basically I told him like, look, don't do interviews. These people are horrible,
01:21:18.680
but if you do, I mean, just troll them, don't tell them anything serious. And so that's what
01:21:24.640
he did. And he said like, Oh, um, Oh, I went there, you know, just for the lulls. I wasn't,
01:21:32.300
uh, a neo-Nazi or whatever. So the, um, the headline was, you know, this guy with his real
01:21:40.740
name when they're taught, it was a very funny that, um, you know, the bitch got run over.
01:21:48.120
So like, wow. So they toasted it completely with his like real name and face and everything.
01:21:56.160
So this is literally Antifa. Yeah. And did you, did you not only that, uh, did, did it,
01:22:02.820
did you hit on the fact that Heifer Hayer wasn't even hit by a car? She died of a heart attack.
01:22:08.540
No, we were going to hit that in a minute, but we might as well say it.
01:22:10.820
We learned that now, but back then it wasn't known. Yeah. Yeah. That's some good shit.
01:22:17.060
Fucking and stuff. Don't, don't call her by her, her media name. Her real name is Heifer Hayer.
01:22:22.780
All right. Fuck. Yeah. And don't use her, her okay. Cupid Photoshop picture either. Use
01:22:29.640
her real picture. Remember that Walmart single mom with a pack of new ports in her fucking
01:22:35.300
hand. Yeah, dude. Remember Tinder is, is not reality. Okay. Anytime you see a chick on Tinder
01:22:41.980
subtract like at least two or three points from what she'll be IRL. Oh yeah. Well, in the case
01:22:49.620
of Heifer Hayer, that's more like a nine points, like a negative, her real picture, man, she
01:22:55.880
looks like a walrus and she looks like 10 years older than she actually was. Indeed. So
01:23:02.080
to those of us who, uh, you know, we're not, are not, uh, familiar with the events, we're
01:23:06.720
finding about this for the first time. This was, this woman was, um, a protester who showed
01:23:11.320
up with Antifa and in the middle of the protest had a heart attack because of her, uh, her
01:23:16.280
obesity, her shitty lifestyle. And, um, then James Fields who drove his car in self-defense
01:23:23.460
when he was being attacked by and swarmed by Antifa was accused of murdering her. And
01:23:28.960
in fact, now the president of the United States has condemned this event as a domestic terrorist
01:23:33.280
attack, a fatty who, whose heart gave out. So I guess McDonald's in fact has been declared
01:23:39.400
a domestic terrorist organization. There you go. Yeah. And so I just, it's important, you
01:23:47.280
know, I don't, most of our people ought to know this, but naturally the, what should be
01:23:54.660
apparent is that the media will twist everything into lies. Right. And I think that what we want
01:24:00.180
to isolate here is what is the purpose of street action? And so from my perspective, it seems
01:24:05.760
like there's two big reasons why you want to get out on the street and demonstrate. One
01:24:09.560
is, as you were discussing before, striker is a physical exercise of power, just like what
01:24:14.340
happened in Germany in the twenties and thirties, where you are literally smashing, uh, your enemy's
01:24:19.820
skulls and wielding, uh, accumulating power for yourself and taking it away from the state
01:24:24.620
and from your enemies. Uh, the second, well, and the first of course, and that allows you
01:24:28.800
to have a space to speak, to demonstrate your power, to claim territory, especially when
01:24:33.400
the state law enforcement and the state, uh, agents of law and order failed to do their
01:24:39.100
job. The second to me, it seems is propaganda, which ties intimately into the first. And so
01:24:45.320
I think that it's, um, a lot of people don't really understand that street demonstrations are,
01:24:52.080
as you were talking, um, striker, a tool to accomplish these ends. So, uh, I want to hear your
01:24:57.900
thoughts on the matter. Yeah. Well, uh, basically what, what the point of these things is, is
01:25:06.100
again, we have to, we listen, the people are with us. Okay. Don't, don't listen to what
01:25:12.660
all the men just mold bugs, neo reactionary homos say. The reality is the average man sympathizes
01:25:21.820
with us, even if it's just subconsciously. So the, the only real, um, issue is that expressing
01:25:32.040
sympathy with us is something that gets you fired. They take away your ability to feed
01:25:38.860
yourself. They, they harass your entire family, including your, your, even your, your distant
01:25:44.420
aunt will get calls from the, from the Jews and the SPLC. Um, they plaster your face in
01:25:51.600
the media and they defame your character, assassinate your, your, your, uh, your reputation, make you
01:25:58.040
a pariah. These are all the tactics to, you know, if it wasn't for the fact that the people
01:26:04.180
are with us, they wouldn't need to employ these tactics to preserve their power. So the point
01:26:09.720
of a demonstration, the propaganda victory is that yes, we're going to come out, we're
01:26:17.880
going to do, we're going to say what the hell we want. And if you don't like it, come here
01:26:21.660
and get your goddamn skull smashed. Because if you come here and try and stop my civil liberties,
01:26:27.080
I have the right to use my fists in self-defense of my liberties. So this is the important thing
01:26:35.380
to take out of Charlottesville, why it's a victory because, uh, even though people lost their jobs
01:26:42.340
and this and that, the blowback has been a lot less, uh, visceral in the sense that, you know,
01:26:52.040
none of our guys died. No one was too seriously injured. So, you know, we actually came out of that
01:26:58.700
pretty good. And that is something that increases our numbers and actually, believe it or not,
01:27:04.420
will decrease the Antifa numbers because the reason there was 10,000 Antifas at the Boston
01:27:09.120
protest was because they wanted to virtue signal without the risk. Once you bring risk into the
01:27:17.280
equation for communists who come out to censor other people, it will thin their numbers out
01:27:23.440
because they will call Gavin McInnes and they will call the Patriotards and that Indian guy in Boston
01:27:29.500
a Nazi so that they can feel good about themselves and get their virtue rush without having to risk
01:27:35.980
themselves. But believe it or not, next time we have another Charlottesville with the real thing,
01:27:40.340
they're going to have thinner numbers than ever.
01:27:42.480
Yeah, I think that's, that is correct. And the whipping them time after time after time in every
01:27:50.880
encounter that we've had with them and whipping them badly and unequivocally, especially since you
01:27:56.780
can go online and see us kicking their asses wholesale is terribly demoralizing because they
01:28:02.120
know, uh, even if the media is not spreading the messages, uh, they feel the wounds quite literally.
01:28:08.340
On top of that, um, even Antifa, even Antifa have no choice but to admit that if it weren't for the
01:28:15.500
cops being on their side completely, they would have been destroyed. Oh, shut the fuck. I have a
01:28:22.160
bunch of puppies. But anyways, I thought you were a puppy murderer mayhem. What are you going to eat
01:28:30.260
them? You Nazi. Well, uh, I've heard they're quite delicious, but that's more of a Chinese thing
01:28:36.300
than a Nazi thing. Well, you do a deep fried with hot peppers. But, uh, anyways, we're kind of giving
01:28:43.340
a few away. Anyone want a puppy now? Ah, shit. Made me lose my train of thought. Fuck. Oh yeah. Cause
01:28:50.740
we were talking about the Antifa. They shut up, you assholes. God, I'm turning into, um, fuck old
01:28:57.500
boy with his cat there. Shit. Uh, freelance autist now. God, but they knew, they knew that
01:29:04.120
without the cops, they were pretty much fucked. They were dead. And, um, one of the, one of the
01:29:09.440
good things about Charlottesville, I think it, I think it was actually a defeat. I mean, we kind of
01:29:14.520
got screwed over pretty bad, but we've learned, we've learned all about the optics. We've learned
01:29:18.980
about how to deal with this in the future. This won't happen again. Um, on top of that though,
01:29:24.280
here's the biggest one that nobody's mentioned. We essentially like the summer was like no chimp
01:29:29.880
outs. There was like, it looks like the summer was like, shit, this is going to be bad for our
01:29:34.080
narrative. Where's the chimp outs? Sure. Shit. Right after that chimp outs. And now they're
01:29:38.620
planning riots on November 4th, which I think the best thing we could do now is just lay low
01:29:44.440
and let Antifa be Antifa. I mean, they're going to screw themselves. They're going to screw
01:29:50.400
themselves because they're going to chimp out now. Right. So that's the biggest one.
01:29:54.260
Yeah. So I think you, man, you've brought us to an interesting point. So you said that
01:29:57.820
you think Charlottesville was in some ways a defeat. And I know that Stryker, uh, and
01:30:02.900
probably Zyger and Parrot as well would have a different opinion. And so I think that now
01:30:06.840
perhaps is the time to discuss the OQ, the optics question. So we have a number of fairly
01:30:13.640
accomplished propagandists, uh, with us on the panel today. So let's, uh, and Mayhem,
01:30:20.300
you can feel free to be the voice, uh, supporting this position. What would you guys say to those
01:30:24.660
who would describe Charlottesville as a propaganda failure that the optics portrayed by the media
01:30:30.160
have done more? I didn't say it was a propaganda failure. I'm sorry. I'm not, I'm not, no, no,
01:30:34.500
I'm not saying as arrested, you know, no, no, I'm, uh, I'm speaking as a general posing
01:30:38.900
the question in general to discuss. Um, there are people who, who say that, uh, Charlottesville
01:30:44.340
was a propaganda failure because they say that the optics of the event, uh, projected,
01:30:49.280
you know, a image that was terrifying to normies and that the, you know, the way forward is to
01:30:56.500
essentially show up in, uh, you know, khaki shirts wearing, with only American flags. So Richard
01:31:02.400
Spencer, of course, uh, has vociferously expressed this position. And I'm not saying the appropriation
01:31:07.880
of the American flag as a vehicle for far right nationalism is a bad thing necessarily,
01:31:11.920
but I want to, um, just allow this discussion to take place. So, uh, Parrott, why don't you
01:31:20.040
go ahead first? Um, in my opinion, uh, successful movements in the past have defined themselves
01:31:28.440
as a clean break. And what you're looking at is the application of corporate marketing tactics,
01:31:34.660
uh, uh, of persuasion to what's fundamentally more akin to a religious conversion. You know,
01:31:42.560
a lot of these things about, um, optics and style and manner, uh, if, if you want to try to get
01:31:50.800
somebody switched from one brand of shampoo to another are very critical. But if you're trying
01:31:55.800
to get that man to shave his head altogether and join a revolution, um, then you, you have to use
01:32:02.220
an entirely different toolkit, which does not borrow from these, uh, you know, corporate marketing
01:32:08.880
strategies that we're hearing with like, you know, uh, my, my focus group says the American flag is
01:32:14.740
really popular with the 35 to 55 age bracket. Let's go with that. Um, the most important thing
01:32:21.940
is consistency. And in my opinion, I mean, everybody's welcome. People are welcome to bring
01:32:26.820
American flags, um, to unity events, but if the unity requires trad worker or, or league of the
01:32:34.200
South, especially, um, to carry an American flag, then we won't be able to attend those unity events,
01:32:42.180
you know, and that's fine. If everybody thinks that's going to be a winning strategy,
01:32:46.060
I wish to politely disagree with that, but strongly disagree with that same time. I, I, I think it's an
01:32:53.380
attempt at being clever and I don't think it will work. And I think we've already with the American
01:32:58.160
freedom party and the tea party and, you know, the John Birch society, there've been so many attempts
01:33:04.240
to try to trick normies into thinking, uh, that we're just merely an option within the Overton window
01:33:11.340
when we're not. And sooner or later, they're going to find out we're not.
01:33:15.320
You, you realize too, that if we were to go out in the American flag, the Koch brothers and singer
01:33:22.200
and all the big GOP Jews are going to put up a, a rally, they're going to throw tens of millions
01:33:28.240
of dollars behind a take back our flag rally, where they're going to come out and say,
01:33:33.120
the Nazis don't own our flag. In fact, that might actually have a counterintuitive effect
01:33:39.120
of turning people, patriotards against us because they're going to use that to attack us. They're
01:33:45.780
going to say, look, the Nazis are trying to steal our flag. Remember the American flag has owners.
01:33:52.200
And they have people, they have media, they have money, they have things like that behind it.
01:33:57.880
So it's about competition. It's better to get a niche market and turn it into a national market
01:34:06.020
than it is to try and compete with Walmart, you know?
01:34:10.200
Well, the way I see it, the American flag, you can't use that exclusively, definitely, because
01:34:20.560
it's a confusing symbol. It's, it doesn't have a clear meaning anymore to everyone.
01:34:27.580
Different people understand what it represents differently. If you, if you use the American flag,
01:34:36.400
it needs to be paired with something else to clarify what it means. Again, because it means
01:34:44.440
different things to different people and different factions are trying to make it represent different
01:34:50.200
things. So one thing that can work, basically what you want, the purpose that we would use
01:34:57.360
the American flag for is merely to say we're on the side of the people. We're not a foreign invading
01:35:04.460
group, basically. That's the purpose. If you just use the American flag, however, I agree
01:35:11.680
that it's just going to make you look like a patriot art group. Basically, it doesn't give
01:35:16.760
you a clear brand. People won't understand what you stand for. So it could make sense to use
01:35:24.360
50% American flags, but always pair the American flag with another flag, like a movement flag of some
01:35:32.480
sort. So, and we need to clarify that, uh, basically the American flag stands for white people, because a
01:35:40.600
lot of, even, even today, more and more, uh, that's what the American flag is made to stand for by our
01:35:47.620
enemies. Even some of our enemies, uh, they're saying, Oh, you can't bring American flags to football
01:35:53.200
games because it's, you know, it's racist against Mexicans or things like that. So, uh, some people
01:36:00.040
are pushing that meme both on our side and on the enemy side that the American flag stands for white
01:36:04.620
Americans or white America. And if we can push that and combine it with our movement flags, that can be
01:36:12.780
actually a helpful propaganda victory, but not everyone sees it that way. So it has to be
01:36:20.520
clarified in that, uh, in that perspective. If we say, if we, if it's confused and people think that
01:36:27.480
the American flag stands for like the government or like the multicultural modern America or modern
01:36:35.060
American values, that's definitely going to be a failure and it's going to confuse people more than
01:36:41.060
anything else. Uh, I agree with Matt that we don't want to be clever with it. It's not, we're not
01:36:46.700
supposed to trick people into thinking that we're something that we're not. Um, but the American flag
01:36:52.760
can be helpful if we can get it to, to clearly say we're on the side of normal white people.
01:37:01.220
That's basically my, my take on it. So mayhem, what's your take? God damn it, Zeiger, you did it again.
01:37:07.180
Cause that's pretty much what I was going to suggest, which was, uh, some, I think Andrew Anglin
01:37:12.140
suggested too, is like half movement flags, half American flags. And the only re and basically we
01:37:17.980
save the swastika until like after we've won because of the baggage attached to it. But, um,
01:37:24.340
the other, the other main thing that we need to push on is, uh, start really hammering. Yeah.
01:37:30.020
The founding fathers are Nazis today. But other than that, yeah, that's pretty much where I was
01:37:35.540
on my line of thinking was, uh, to try to get all these, um, well, not, not be clever with it, but
01:37:43.000
try to basically let, let these people know that we're, like you said, we're not an,
01:37:48.800
not be portrayed as an invading force here. We're America. We're looking out for our national
01:37:55.520
interest. Cause then from what I've seen, no successful nationalist movement utterly abandons
01:38:01.780
it's the nation's, uh, symbols and heroes. Like one of the things I've been seeing is,
01:38:08.240
uh, the founding fathers, fuck them. They're, they were a bunch of miscegenators who should
01:38:12.820
have never rebelled. I'm like, no, no, that no, no successful nationalist movement shits on
01:38:16.800
the symbols and heroes of the nation that they're trying to take back.
01:38:19.740
Yeah. And the, the reason I'm somewhat, like I said, the reason I'm somewhat hopeful that the
01:38:28.300
flag and the founding fathers and all of that can be reappropriated as nationalist symbols,
01:38:33.760
which, uh, they're not really anymore, or at least they're, they've stopped being at a certain
01:38:40.620
point in time. The reason I'm hopeful is that our enemies are helping us in that.
01:38:44.100
The American flag may as well be a rainbow flag for what it actually stands for. But
01:38:48.860
unfortunately, yeah, with antifas who love to just stomp on the American flag, burn it,
01:38:55.800
Yeah. And BLM and even just normie leftists more and more, they're saying the founding fathers were
01:39:02.680
Nazis and the American flag is a symbol of, uh, colonialism and oppression and racism. So
01:39:08.600
if I think that's something that we should go along with and say like, yeah, and yeah,
01:39:14.260
the founding fathers were Nazis and yes, it's a symbol of racism and oppression and, uh, it's a
01:39:20.240
symbol of white people. So, and you know, that's what we stand for. And of course we combine it with
01:39:25.540
My problem with that, I mean, um, like I said, uh, I'm all about like, um, having a sort of a science
01:39:32.200
lab attitude about things where you just let people, uh, try different things. But I don't think
01:39:38.000
that that, like, uh, what, what Stryker was saying, uh, we don't have the platforms, uh, we don't have
01:39:44.600
the arguments, we don't have, uh, the ability to win that argument. I, I, you know, I absolutely
01:39:50.740
agree that the left are trying, you know, there's a huge opportunity there to create a big national
01:39:57.160
debate on, on what the, does the flag stand for, uh, nationalism and white people. And, you know,
01:40:04.180
you, you could definitely achieve, uh, a very exciting debate. But the problem is once you
01:40:09.280
get that fight started, um, you're, you're looking at the entire GOP, um, the entire conservative
01:40:16.860
movement, uh, the vast majority of a lot of people were actually trying to convince then
01:40:21.620
being mobilized to say, no, no, no. American history represents progress towards, uh, becoming,
01:40:30.020
Yeah, that's exactly what we want. That's, that's, that's the good thing.
01:40:33.760
Well, why would you want to hold that flag? I mean, I kind of feel bad that I'd be setting
01:40:39.700
the rest of the movement up for that because they'd be going, grabbing the American flag.
01:40:43.780
And then it's like, oh, well, the flag you're holding actually stands for transgender nigger
01:40:50.440
Well, you see, that's, that's what the conservatives say. And the conservatives are fucking losers.
01:40:55.640
They can't win anything. They always lose all debates with the left. So if, if, if the
01:41:01.700
left, if they lose that debate, then the flag is gay.
01:41:05.240
No, they, because the conservatives are saying the opposite. The left is saying that the flag
01:41:10.760
is Nazi and we are going to say the same thing basically. Yeah. It's, it's the American flag
01:41:15.960
is white people. The left is going to say the American flag is white people.
01:41:19.060
So that's the point. Conservatives are the B is that damn the left is doing the debate
01:41:25.400
for us. They're losing the conservative debate for us in that sense. Um, they're, they're
01:41:31.320
the ones who are trying to turn the flag into representation of tyranny and evil is what is
01:41:37.360
going on. No one cares what conservatives think anymore because conservatives are losers as
01:41:43.120
I see the cleverness of it. I just, uh, believe it opens up a whole, whole new honeypot where
01:41:52.460
we're going to have to then protect our branding from multiple sides. Yeah. Well, and I think that
01:41:57.840
there's a broader question to discuss and that I've left that to the end is the, the utility of, uh,
01:42:03.080
America and American identity and American symbolism as a, uh, as a vehicle for, uh, for nationalism,
01:42:09.380
but that's a really, really big can of worms that probably requires its own episode. So yeah,
01:42:15.260
what I wanted to, I think that we've, we've kind of completed what, uh, we set out to do with the
01:42:20.700
background. So now let's discuss the fallout. So we're sitting here about a month, um, from when
01:42:26.240
the event happened, it's the 16th of September today. And what we have seen in a, this kind of
01:42:33.240
post Charlottesville world that we've maneuvered ourselves into is, uh, you know, unprecedented
01:42:38.820
intensity of censorship, uh, and the actual destruction of the internet as an apparatus
01:42:45.180
of free speech as a direct result of this rally. And so it seems to me that all of these actions
01:42:52.040
are simple, that the regime is panicking, right? And this is why they are lashing out and behaving
01:42:57.960
in these, um, you know, so overtly communistic, Bolshevistic ways.
01:43:03.640
And so I guess the question, sorry, please go ahead. Yeah. Well, I think what happens is that,
01:43:13.660
you know, that means we hit the target, you know, like in the video game, you got the,
01:43:18.000
the, the boss or whatever, and he's impossible to hit until he shows a vulnerability. And then you hit
01:43:24.040
Judah right in his supple white belly. And you hear the groans and the moans,
01:43:31.560
and you see it acting, uh, wailing its arms around, flailing around, knocking around every,
01:43:39.040
knocking down everything in its path without any discrimination. I mean, you got regular
01:43:44.740
conservatives. You even got Jews that criticize Islam like that, uh, Jihad watch website, getting
01:43:52.220
their PayPal shut down. I mean, this is something that is so, um, you see what, when, when you,
01:43:58.580
when you strike the enemy, the enemy starts making mistakes. So this is why Charlottesville is a
01:44:05.200
success because the system is overreacting. They're biting off more than they can chew.
01:44:10.840
And they're going to end up breaking teeth in the process. The media is discrediting it,
01:44:16.760
discrediting itself. And it's going to get worse as the facts from the Heather Heyer case come out.
01:44:22.120
Um, you got the president being forced to attack his own voters. That's going to come back to bite
01:44:29.180
him in the ass. You got the, uh, the, the registrars showing to the world that free speech is a lie.
01:44:36.380
So all of these institutions, what was left of their credibility is now dissipating because of
01:44:44.340
their desperation after Charlottesville. They are in fear that a revolution is on the brink of coming.
01:44:53.600
You know, I tend to agree with that perspective. Go ahead, Zagat.
01:44:57.080
No, no. Um, I was just saying that I do, I agree with that basically. Um, there, there,
01:45:03.540
there's a widespread panic. And I think this, um, these results show that, uh, we're not dealing
01:45:13.140
with an organized, intelligent, uh, strategical response, but panic, uh, it's decentralized.
01:45:22.940
Individual actors are acting irrationally and they're not, um, gauging the full consequences of
01:45:30.780
what they're doing. And this is good. Um, we want them on the defensive. We want them panicking
01:45:36.200
because as a striker said, that's when they start making mistakes. And that's where we start getting
01:45:43.340
the initiative and the possibility to strike back. Now, of course, the problem right now is that
01:45:48.000
some of our weapons have been taken away from us or been rendered slightly less powerful because of
01:45:55.320
all that censorship. But, um, that, that's only a temporary setback. We're, I think we're all in
01:46:03.520
the process of hardening ourselves and finding better ways to deal with future censorship.
01:46:10.140
And ultimately it's going to make us a lot stronger because it's going to make us invulnerable or at
01:46:14.560
least a lot more resilient against future censorship efforts. Once we have like maybe our own registrars
01:46:21.800
or once we have our own systems, once everyone, uh, once like tour or, uh, censorship free platforms
01:46:28.960
are stronger, then that's going to make us a lot more resilient in general.
01:46:34.240
One, one other thing too, is that the most important thing to take from this is that we're,
01:46:38.500
we're making the Jew come out from behind the curtain. He's getting so panicky that he can't
01:46:43.840
afford to be passive and less satiric. He's being forced out into the street and that's where we have
01:46:48.880
our power because frankly, we have more people than them. There's only, there's only 12 million
01:46:53.920
Jews in the world. We have millions of people, way more superior numbers. So when we bring the Jew
01:47:00.480
out into the open for a full confrontation, that's when we have the advantage because they have the
01:47:07.720
advantage of people not even knowing they're in power. But if they show the world, even the dumbest to
01:47:14.160
the smartest, that they're the ones that are behind it all. They're the ones that run Google
01:47:18.820
and Facebook and they're the ones that run the New York times and the, uh, the, the, the U S treasury.
01:47:26.180
Once they see that, then people will be more awakened by this as well.
01:47:30.820
Harit, you, um, wrote a, uh, a blog post for Trad Worker on power dynamics strategy in Charlottesville,
01:47:40.320
which I included in the show notes because I think it's, it's fairly pertinent and, and talks
01:47:44.840
about the subject here, uh, in question. So why don't you go ahead and, and make your comments and
01:47:50.320
perhaps even present the arguments that you lay out in that, uh, blog post?
01:47:54.200
Uh, the, the, the blog post was in response to this, uh, think piece, which, uh, declared
01:48:01.680
Charlottesville a failure, uh, because of negative optics. And it, it, uh, played on a lot of the,
01:48:10.260
uh, canards coming out of Charlottesville, like saying, you know, uh, we had these, uh, clan guys
01:48:16.580
there, uh, not a single clan robe was at Charlottesville. Um, and you know, they actually used
01:48:22.380
footage from the clan rally a month before in a lot of the coverage talking about the
01:48:27.260
Unite the Right event, pretending that we showed up in clan robes. Uh, there's also the, the
01:48:32.960
thing about, you know, we've got to stop bringing swastikas to the rally. Well, what actually
01:48:36.920
happened was out of the several hundred people who attended one unaffiliated guy who was not
01:48:43.500
with any group, one single guy, and he might've been a fed by the way, he may have been, I've,
01:48:50.220
I've heard, I've heard both ways. I don't know, but what I do know is that certainly,
01:48:54.320
uh, we, we had higher than 99% compliance on optics. And yet this guy's insisting that we
01:49:03.040
came off scary. And with, with that response is that when you're, when you're fighting an
01:49:09.820
enemy like this, um, you know, to, to borrow from strikers thing about hitting, you know,
01:49:14.920
hitting the final boss, uh, in ballistics, sometimes you want to aim a little above the
01:49:19.420
target. Like, um, uh, you know, you need to lead the target to hit it. Uh, and, uh, we
01:49:26.740
need to be preparing for when people are scared, uh, for when this, uh, for when these problems
01:49:33.560
escalate and, you know, we need rough men and this idea that we can all, uh, be street fighting
01:49:42.240
and have positive media and have, uh, non-threatening optics is, is just unrealistic.
01:49:51.480
I mean, I'm, I'm all for, you know, trying to improve our optics as much as possible, but
01:49:56.360
when you put optics over solidarity, optics over principle, uh, then you, you, you start
01:50:03.440
to corrupt your movement. But the, the, the article as a whole, um, this guy was really
01:50:08.820
talking about, you know, uh, how, how we need to, how we need to qualify ourselves to domestic
01:50:14.620
power elites and find wealthy people, uh, who will be our benefactors. And, um, that, that
01:50:24.620
strategy of trying to persuade people to think that we're just another harmless alternative
01:50:30.500
within a healthy, normal way of, uh, politics and then try to try to infiltrate and work
01:50:38.660
with the existing elites. It is just a profoundly, uh, bad strategy. What you have every single
01:50:45.560
time. I mean, I encourage anybody else who wants to go try it, try it, but what, what's
01:50:50.280
happened to the John Birch society and everybody else is they end up in this, uh, hilarious
01:50:54.880
situation where they're screaming that they're not pro white and they're screaming that they
01:51:01.420
love Jews. And yet they're still locked out of power because they're not anti white and
01:51:08.200
pro Jewish enough. But, you know, it's, it's the worst of all possible worlds is where you
01:51:13.560
land with that optics driven, uh, strategy and psychology. And what we need is a, is a fundamental
01:51:20.340
lack of cleverness, uh, and just a simple advocacy for our people and fighting off those who oppose
01:51:26.200
our people, uh, you know, with, with an eye towards hygiene and, uh, you know, optics, but
01:51:31.460
that not being a principle, you know, that we just need to show up in the right costume and
01:51:35.860
we'll win the competition attitude. What's this obsession with conservatives? I mean, not even
01:51:41.860
conservatives, but what's this obsession with looking non-threatening? Does looking non-threatening
01:51:46.240
get you respect? Does it get you a pussy? Does it get you a job? I mean, what, what, what, why would
01:51:51.900
this, if this doesn't work in any other facet of life, why would it work in a life or death national
01:51:57.540
struggle? That's what I don't get. Yeah, definitely. I mean, this, this notion that looking weak is good
01:52:06.060
optics is an absurdity. It's, it's definitely a part of the conservative mindsets where, oh, uh, if we look
01:52:13.300
like weak, crippled victims, then the people will have sympathy. Like, uh, it's basically that whole,
01:52:20.260
um, you know, getting that pity vote, that pity, sympathy, that, uh, power through, uh, looking
01:52:27.060
pathetic. Well, no, that, it definitely doesn't work that way. Uh, yeah, I mean, I'm just going to
01:52:33.040
look threatening. We just not threatening to white people, threatening to our enemies. Uh, you know,
01:52:39.760
looking threatening is a two-edged sword. If you look threatening, then the people who like you
01:52:45.580
will feel safe, uh, because of you. Because you look threatening. Whereas people who don't like you
01:52:52.240
will feel threatened. And that's exactly what you want. You want enemies to feel threatened, and you
01:52:56.840
want, uh, the people you represent and that you fight for to feel like if you're in charge, they would
01:53:04.720
be safe. Because you're strong, and you're, uh, you know, you're capable. I'm just going to quote,
01:53:10.600
uh, Commander Rockwell here from Inhock, Sidney Vinces. It is the part of the Jews to be sneaky
01:53:16.700
and sly. The genius of our people has ever been joyous strength, robust forcefulness, directness,
01:53:23.520
manly courage, and flaming heroism. With the Jews, with their economic terrorism, jails, bullies,
01:53:30.400
and hangmen, scare the white man into laying down his cruddle, and goad him into trying to
01:53:35.960
out-sneak Jewish tyranny. The Jews have completely emasculated the once strong white man and doomed
01:53:42.040
him to dishonor and defeat. The white man can never win by sneaking. Yeah, I mean, if we're talking
01:53:50.360
about optics, I think the optics that we want is not the, um, harmless optic, but rather the superhero
01:53:57.840
optic, um, in a sense, like we want to look, uh, larger than life. We want to look maybe colorful
01:54:06.760
or strong or basically we want to give out the same vibe as if, uh, you had an army of, uh, supermen
01:54:15.540
fighting against the Antifa. Whereas the Antifa, they look, they look threatening in a sense,
01:54:22.220
but they also look like misfits. So the, the, what we want is that when the media portray us,
01:54:30.600
uh, fighting against Antifa, we want everyone to see clearly, um, you know, clean cut people,
01:54:38.460
but also like probably wearing, uh, maybe colorful clothes or clothes that make us look strong and
01:54:47.500
kind of, uh, very different. We want to look different and strong compared with the Antifa.
01:54:52.380
If there's any optic to have, it's that, um, I'm not at all sold on the kind of khakis and, um,
01:55:01.680
polo shirts aesthetic. I, I think the khakis and polos can work. Um, and I think, you know,
01:55:09.380
I mean, the league of the South, uh, uh, has, has that, uh, the, I, I, I identity Europa folks have
01:55:16.560
that. And I think with the thing about optics is it's a shadow, it's a shadow of the actual.
01:55:25.220
And what you had was these people who objectively speaking, you look at that outfit before,
01:55:31.500
before Charlottesville and you're like, well, that outfit looks kind of like soft and corporate,
01:55:36.120
right? Well, after Charlottesville, like people walking down the street in khakis and a white
01:55:41.220
polo are now intimidating to minorities. Right. Uh, and there's been several articles about that.
01:55:46.700
Like, you know, I saw some, you know, just some, some, some dorky cubicle guy happened to be wearing
01:55:51.540
that outfit and like all these minorities were nervous. So now they're going to have to change
01:55:55.660
outfits. Like that's how powerful, you know, the, the, the true, because, you know, you had people
01:56:02.940
from the league of the South and you had people from identity Europa fighting and you had them,
01:56:07.880
you know, winning. So, uh, and then that's projected onto the uniform. I've, I've joked,
01:56:13.400
I want to go, you know, I, I, I wish I'm not going to let me, uh, but what I'd like is to have us all
01:56:19.160
wear like, uh, you know, giant dildo costumes, but go out there and win. And then that costume would
01:56:24.140
then be seen as powerful and noble. I, you know, it's true. Uh, I guess you're, you're right in that
01:56:30.840
sense. Uh, when someone's cool, whatever he's wearing is cool. Basically, uh, clothes don't
01:56:37.620
have inherent, uh, power. Well, that's not entirely true. I think, uh, fit is, uh, important
01:56:47.080
in the sense that some things are objectively good looking and objectively bad looking and
01:56:52.360
having a well tailored and like that give you a good silhouette. That's important. And, uh,
01:56:58.800
maybe one of the problems with the khakis and polo is that a lot of people have like
01:57:03.420
loose fitting stuff that doesn't make them look athletic, even if they, they are. So that might
01:57:08.540
be something to look into. Well, and not to, not to counter signal here, but I think we have an
01:57:14.480
example we can actually talk about without anybody getting upset. Um, and you know, I'm actually,
01:57:19.520
you know, friends with a lot of people who are in clans and whatever. I'm not counter signaling
01:57:23.500
the clan as a whole, but the clan robe is a good example, in my opinion, of a bad costume
01:57:28.040
to wear for several reasons. You know, it's, it's anachronistic. It has not been associated
01:57:33.560
with success in anybody's waking lifetime. Um, and you know, there's, there's a lot of negative
01:57:41.180
historical baggage that that clan robe represents. I mean, in theory, I guess you could fight through
01:57:46.960
that, but you know, a lot of the, uh, a lot of the more dynamic clan groups, what they've done
01:57:52.500
is they use that robe in their, in their secret ceremony. And then they have a more subdued,
01:57:59.520
sensible, contemporary outfit that they actually wear in public, uh, for, for events and stuff.
01:58:04.480
It's kind of funny. The anti-clan laws are, have now been flipped upside down and are now anti-antifa
01:58:10.520
laws. And all the clansmen, uh, are now dressing up, uh, oftentimes in like black work shirts,
01:58:16.780
similar to what trad worker wore. Um, and these other more, uh, um, um, tasteful, you know, I think
01:58:24.340
in the American context, we're just not like 1930s Germany. There's more of a military culture.
01:58:30.260
There's more of a boy scout culture. A lot of the uniforms that they wore at that time were
01:58:34.340
appropriate in our context, which are totally inappropriate today. So I, that's, that's my
01:58:39.400
own private opinion on that. Yeah. And I think that this is sort of the, the answer to the question
01:58:44.580
in general of, of, um, like the swastika and uniforms and so on. We never, we, we should
01:58:50.580
never be afraid of the swastika or of Nazism because we are in fact national socialists.
01:58:56.600
And so our enemies are going to, to use that, uh, no matter what. And the swastika has tremendous
01:59:01.560
power. Hello? Yeah. Yeah. Everything's fine. Yeah. And so the, the swastika has tremendous,
01:59:08.960
uh, value as a tool to scare Jews, which is in a sense what that flag was designed to
01:59:14.120
do. But obviously that doesn't mean anything. I mean, the swastika is not, uh, a symbol of
01:59:19.120
white people in North America. Historically speaking, it just wasn't part of our culture
01:59:24.000
and it's not, um, it's, it's artificial, it's shoehorned. And just, just as dressing up
01:59:29.740
at the political, in the uniform of a dead 1930s political party doesn't have any relevance
01:59:34.960
to modern, uh, North American national socialism. Well, what a lot of people don't know is the
01:59:40.820
NSM has actually, uh, uh, moved from the swastika towards, uh, towards, towards the Odell
01:59:46.800
room as a way of also acknowledging that we, we need to have symbols that represent here
01:59:51.940
and now, you know, while, while, while still respecting, you know, NSDAP Germany. Absolutely.
01:59:57.500
Well, the important thing about the national socialists was, well, let's look at it in their
02:00:02.860
context. National socialism was based on Italian fascism. Uh, Hitler's Beer Hall Putsch was modeled
02:00:11.900
on the March on Rome, right? But you didn't see the national socialists using the fascis in their
02:00:21.680
symbology. They took the blueprint that Mussolini came up with for defeating both Bolshevism and
02:00:30.040
capitalism. And they applied it to the German context and they tapped into, because Germany
02:00:37.940
was the scientific pinnacle of the world. They had a more advanced, uh, uh, scientific engineering
02:00:44.540
and, uh, system like that. And they added the racial aspect. So, um, you know, we can learn from
02:00:51.520
them themselves. The important thing about national socialism is to take the lessons, the successful
02:00:58.700
experiment, but that doesn't necessarily mean you have to take all the aesthetics and all
02:01:04.840
the, uh, superficial stuff. Because that, a lot of the times people take that superficial
02:01:10.220
stuff, but don't know anything about the ideology. So that's the important thing.
02:01:16.600
Yeah. I mean, it's important to have a scientific mindset when we approach all of these things.
02:01:22.020
Um, trying to impose things without thinking about it or without experimenting is not the way to go.
02:01:31.240
I mean, if you believe in truth and reality, then you, you, you understand that you have to adapt
02:01:40.300
yourself to circumstances. Because, uh, if you just, uh, you're encrusted in preconceived notions,
02:01:47.620
then that's the opposite of national socialism. That's like, uh, ideological thinking like
02:01:53.220
Marxists. So yeah, the realm of propaganda is a scientific subject that is a, that is also subject
02:02:02.080
to experimentation and laws and rules. And in some circumstances, you, there's certain symbols
02:02:10.180
or certain, uh, approaches that are going to just work better than others. And you have to, uh, adapt to
02:02:15.740
it. Now, I'm not saying that you can't use the swastika. I'm saying the swastika and any other
02:02:22.380
thing is going to have specific effects. And in some circumstances, you want to use those effects.
02:02:27.980
Like if you want to shock people, if you want to create a stir and things like that, but that's not
02:02:34.060
always what you want to do. Sometimes you, if you, you trying to create a kind of a populist local
02:02:40.980
movement, uh, just randomly shocking people without giving them a clear idea of what you stand for
02:02:47.060
might not be the right tool for the job. So again, in propaganda, you have to have a diverse array of
02:02:54.880
tools and understand the circumstances and use the right tools for the situation.
02:03:02.500
Shit. I was just going to say, um, this kind of goes back to a lot of PUA 101 there too.
02:03:08.980
So never, never let them pigeonhole you into just one thing. Um, and, and of course, a breaker
02:03:17.780
broke in my thing. That's why I'm now completely out of the loop. And my connection went down. So
02:03:24.620
hi guys. Welcome back. No, and I think that you're correct, Ziger. And this is a discussion that I had
02:03:29.300
with Nat recently. And it's about the ideological toolbox is that, you know, national socialism offers
02:03:34.580
us an ordered worldview that we can think rationally about, you know, how we can achieve our goals. And
02:03:41.240
so street demonstrations and propaganda and symbology and all of this, semiotics, these are
02:03:46.300
tools in our box to accomplish our goals, which is to build up our own power and to decrease the power
02:03:52.840
of our enemies. And I think that it's incredibly, incredibly important that we don't fetishize the
02:03:58.100
hammer or the screwdriver or the sword, because they're means to an end, not the action or the
02:04:03.840
means or the force, the spirit behind it themselves.
02:04:07.040
It's like, exactly. It's like an automobile, right? I mean, the automobile, the, the, the physics
02:04:15.780
and the laws and the, the, the, uh, the engine of the automobile, the basic laws that govern it
02:04:22.160
are the same as always, right? However, cars today don't look like cars in the 1920s. They don't look
02:04:31.920
like the first Daimler engine from Germany in 1890. The, they're all based on the same principles,
02:04:39.940
but a car today can go 150, 200 miles an hour. And those cars could go 25. So what it is is that
02:04:47.740
we have to constantly be updating the blueprint. The blueprint is exactly the same in terms of many
02:04:54.280
issues, but we have to update certain, uh, aspects of it to meet our time and place. You know,
02:05:01.160
it's like Mussolini says, fascists cannot be nostalgics. We have to be men of our time.
02:05:11.080
That's it. And this is, um, this is the thing is that, uh, national socialism is ultimately
02:05:16.260
about the promotion of life as we live it now. And in the future, it's not, um, about anachronism.
02:05:23.900
It's not about posturing or, uh, or aesthetics and anybody who thinks that needs to leave.
02:05:31.160
Well, I agree. And one thing, uh, Stryker's real big on, and I've, I've seen this play out several
02:05:36.800
times is, you know, the, the problem with the capital T traditionalism, uh, you know, I, I call
02:05:43.180
myself a traditionalist, but it's, it's very difficult. And Stryker's right that the, the word
02:05:48.580
itself is pregnant with a lot of antiquarianism, uh, a lot of, uh, implied conservatism. And when I say it,
02:05:56.760
I mean rad trad ideals, honor, loyalty, transcendence of self, uh, you know, fidelity. Um, and those
02:06:04.400
things are, are, you know, just as valid in, in a sci-fi spaceship, uh, or, you know, uh, for
02:06:12.380
modern, you know, for modern youth as it is for somebody in a buggy or somebody in like, uh, you
02:06:18.200
know, a religious garb. Uh, these are perennial principles that don't belong in one time and
02:06:23.020
place. Precisely. And this is, um, I want to, we're going to get into the Caliuta news soon.
02:06:30.300
So I want to kind of touch on this last topic. So in the fallout of the event, right, we've seen our
02:06:39.360
enemies attack us, uh, with an intensity that we haven't seen in quite a long time. And so naturally
02:06:44.820
this is kind of separating the sheep from the goats, the wheat and the chaff, so to speak. And so we're
02:06:49.400
getting guys, especially at part of the, uh, alt-light conservative crowd who are cucking
02:06:54.120
intensely and even some people who consider themselves alt-right to be, uh, engaging in
02:06:58.920
this kind of exodus. And so, um, I'm going to write a much more detailed letter and do a podcast
02:07:04.140
on the, the fissures within the North American far right, um, to begin with. But I wanted to get
02:07:10.060
your perspective on the current, because it seemed Charlottesville was an attempt, uh, at unity,
02:07:17.000
but now in the fallout, it becomes more and more clear that if we don't have at least basic,
02:07:23.220
share the same values and principles of our worldview, um, you know, even though we might
02:07:28.240
be ideologically different, that it's incredibly difficult to engage in solidarity, even if we
02:07:33.820
are, um, uh, racial kin. And so I want to get the pressure and danger always, uh, especially
02:07:46.000
on the, on the right. But, you know, in general, when there's pressure and danger and, um, consequences,
02:07:51.880
people who are less motivated or more fragile because of their situations are gonna move away
02:07:58.740
and, and break off from, uh, the system to become safer. So all these events are just, uh, kind of
02:08:05.820
purifying the movement and, uh, you know, cleansing it of weaker elements, not necessarily weaker
02:08:13.500
because they're bad people or even because they're mentally weak, but simply because they can't risk
02:08:20.740
as much or they're not as, uh, committed because of their life situations. So, and this is, I think,
02:08:27.380
what we're seeing and what's going on. And I do see it in a way as a positive, uh, event, even though
02:08:34.900
it's painful. I mean, uh, I've suffered personal consequences because of it and it's, it's very
02:08:41.780
unpleasant, but, um, that, that's, you know, that's, that's how it is. Uh, nobody said that
02:08:49.900
it was going to be easy. Yeah. There was a George Lick and Rockwell quote that I was trying to find
02:08:54.780
earlier, but that I couldn't find it. And he, um, he essentially was saying that the right in the
02:09:00.400
United States for the last hundred years has been trying desperately to avoid a big fight. Uh, it's been
02:09:06.600
doing everything in its power to kind of cock and to appeal to this loser, weak, pathetic mentality
02:09:11.600
because it's conflict averse. And that no matter what we do, no matter who we are, no matter what
02:09:16.820
policies we have, if we oppose the Jews and their agenda, it's going to be a fight for life and death.
02:09:22.160
It's a mortal struggle. I know. I know Vox, Vox Day kept accusing, uh, Anglin and by extension,
02:09:28.500
the rest are actually more like national socialists like me. He was trying to argue
02:09:32.320
with national socialists and Anglin's not exactly a national socialist. Um, but you know, that for,
02:09:39.360
for people like Vox Day, like conservatism and being on the right is integrally about being a
02:09:45.300
beautiful loser. And if you're out there, um, trying to not lose, then you're not truly right wing.
02:09:51.500
And, you know, he sincerely consistently believes that, you know, it's, it's, it's incredible. I'm like,
02:09:56.880
okay, well, if being, you know, right wing involves being that, then I'm left wing. I
02:10:02.220
don't care about the, you know, fire your label gun at me all day long. I don't care.
02:10:07.740
Well, Vox is a reactionary and reactionaries, conservatives. Well, it's in the name. They
02:10:13.740
can only react to what the radicals do. But the reason conservatives like Vox are going to get
02:10:21.280
flushed down the drain is because the reactionaries aren't in power. We don't have a king or a monarchy
02:10:30.420
or, you know, a czar or a church in power right now. We have atheistic, evil Jews, evil,
02:10:37.980
neoliberal, capitalist Jews that support the most radical anti-human left wing progressive quote
02:10:45.300
unquote values. And so Vox has, Vox is supposed to be the revolutionary in that case because they're
02:10:55.060
reacting in favor of their power, but he's, he's so at, he basically just wants to sell his books
02:11:01.560
and be left alone. That's what Vox wants. He wants to make money.
02:11:05.120
That's what conservatism is all about is selling, selling the books about Hillary Clinton. I mean,
02:11:08.860
you can imagine how horrified they were when Trump won and all those books about Hillary Clinton didn't
02:11:14.620
So many ghost writers just unemployed. Yeah. No, precisely. And this is what it comes down to.
02:11:22.600
And I think that, um, anybody who doesn't, who doesn't think this is, um, is bound to fail. And
02:11:28.200
this is what the next episode we're going to be recording on is, is just this mindset is the way
02:11:32.720
that I see it is the only way that we're ever going to be successful is number one, if we embrace,
02:11:37.860
um, you know, embrace these, these trip values of tradition, um, that are perennial as the core
02:11:45.100
of our worldview, because these are the things that allow us to build solidarity because they're
02:11:49.420
in accord with natural law in the real world. And I think things like atheism and materialism are
02:11:54.660
fundamentally incompatible, um, civilizationally, culturally with any sort of seriously successful
02:12:01.260
Well, let me, let me pause you on that real quick. Uh, when you say atheism, uh, do you
02:12:06.480
mean somebody who, um, is, is a secular humanist, um, and makes himself a god and, you know, the
02:12:13.580
fedora tipping internet atheist, uh, because there, there are a lot of people who currently define
02:12:19.260
themselves as atheists and perhaps technically are who do share these perennial values and do,
02:12:25.920
you know, we, we, we could argue and I would argue, um, without being at risk of incondescending,
02:12:31.260
I would argue that they're sort of, uh, pre-religious or primordially religious. Uh, but I, I, you know,
02:12:38.560
I think a lot of our listeners out there, I know this is a religious show and I'm, I'm Orthodox
02:12:43.340
Christian, but I don't want to counter-signal or leave those guys behind who do, uh, feel like
02:12:50.260
there's something that transcends themselves, even if it's just symbolic at this point.
02:12:55.180
Right. Well, I think that there, with, um, these people, they already implicitly buy into a, a, a
02:13:01.880
transcendent worldview, right? So we don't, we don't have, uh, we don't actually have the time to sit
02:13:07.060
down and kind of discuss the philosophy and the nitty gritty of it. But I think that it's just
02:13:10.740
important, uh, to, to stay that safe as a fact is that those, that kind of transcendent mindset is,
02:13:16.880
is not negotiable because people are not willing to fight and die. People are not willing to be, uh,
02:13:22.160
suffer in, in the gulag for 30 years for fake, uh, abstractions. They're willing to do it for
02:13:27.980
blood, you know, for soil, for fatherland, for faith. Yeah, that's true. That's true. And so I
02:13:36.600
think that the second, the second piece I just wanted to add was I think that the, um, that the
02:13:42.160
revolutionary mindset is that, that we're completely opposed to the kind of, to the new world order,
02:13:47.260
to the Zog system, uh, is also absolutely essential. And I think a lot of people are
02:13:53.400
still invested in the idea of America as a civilization, as an empire, as a state. And I
02:13:59.160
don't think that, um, operating in those presumptions in this post Charlottesville world is, is going to
02:14:05.320
be an effective strategy for very long. So I would please strike or go ahead and give, uh, give your
02:14:12.820
input and your, your opinion. Well, uh, what, what I'd say is that, um, there are the, the perennial
02:14:21.540
values are, I agree with the perennial tradition in the sense that, you know, when, when you see,
02:14:27.540
um, what, when you, when you see a knight from the middle ages and then you see a man, a panzer,
02:14:37.320
a panzer commander in a tiger tank overseeing out of the hatchet, you see the same thing. The steed
02:14:46.040
has changed. The steed is made out of iron. It's faster. It's more powerful, but the idea is the
02:14:52.860
same, the same kind of chivalry and bravery and, and, and will, will to fight. Uh, so I, I definitely
02:15:00.080
agree with that. And, uh, I think those values are eternal, but I think they're carried more so in
02:15:07.480
the blood than, and this is my opinion. Of course, I believe they're more carried in the blood than
02:15:12.420
they are necessarily in any set of specific religions or doctrines and whatnot. I think
02:15:18.400
those are vehicles for it, but I don't know if it's the chicken or the egg. That's my opinion.
02:15:24.300
Fair enough. I understand. Um, Zyger or Mayhem, would you like to, uh, to add?
02:15:30.720
Yeah. Well, ultimately I make the distinction, as I've said before, between kind of the, uh,
02:15:37.400
material worldview and the spiritual worldview. And ultimately when you, when you're on the material
02:15:43.600
worldview, you always end up with individualism and, uh, the, the pursuit of pleasure and safety
02:15:53.500
as the, you know, the utmost goal to achieve. And when you have the spiritual worldview, you,
02:16:01.780
you want things that are more eternal, more long lasting. And that can include, you know,
02:16:07.780
your descendants and your ancestors, because it stretches out in time beyond like just the
02:16:12.480
present moment. So in that sense, you can have people who are technically atheist in the sense
02:16:18.620
that they don't believe in one, um, central God. And, you know, there are religions that
02:16:23.620
are atheist, like, uh, some forms of Buddhism or Hinduism. Sure. And I don't, don't, I don't
02:16:30.160
think that's necessarily incompatible. Ultimately, as you said, it's about, uh, finding value in
02:16:37.760
something greater than just the self and the material and the things you can experience here
02:16:44.020
now and putting your faith and your, uh, basically your value system on things that are greater
02:16:52.380
in space, in time, in the different dimensions. And that includes, you know, gods and spirits,
02:17:00.280
but it also like in a certain sense, your blood is not a material thing because your blood, uh,
02:17:07.940
it's not something you can see. It's, uh, all of your ancestors stretched out in time.
02:17:13.680
And all of your descendants until the end of time, it's something that's beyond, uh, things
02:17:20.960
you can see and feel in the present moment. So in that sense, blood is a spiritual concept,
02:17:26.000
not a material concept, even though you can say, oh, well, it's, there's DNA and there's
02:17:31.080
protein and, uh, tissues and stuff like that, but that's meaningless. Uh, and that's why you
02:17:36.760
can have people who are materialists, who are part of the system or leftist and liberals who
02:17:42.960
can believe in, uh, genetics and, you know, the, the, the material aspects of the blood.
02:17:48.340
And yet their values still remain totally, uh, materialist in the sense that they don't care
02:17:54.920
about the future. They don't care about their race and things like that. Whereas some people
02:18:00.200
who don't even understand, uh, DNA and things like that can still have, believe in blood and
02:18:05.500
believe in, um, their ancestry. And even if they're atheists, it doesn't matter because
02:18:12.220
that, that is a spiritual concept. Same with the soil and, uh, things like that.
02:18:18.100
Right. And this is the distinction that I'm referring to.
02:18:20.460
Um, the, the paradox for me, uh, my, my single greatest inspiration in my work, um, I have
02:18:27.600
several, but Cornelio Cadriano, uh, the iron guard, you know, uh, as for my legionaries is
02:18:34.000
sort of, uh, uh, second only to my Bible. Um, but you know, the, the problem, the paradox
02:18:39.320
that's impossible to, to ignore is that Cadriano was ultimately defeated by the clergy and by the
02:18:48.840
monarchy, the nobility. Um, and, and, you know, you could fit, you could fit the clergy in a small
02:18:55.780
passenger sedan. In fact, uh, the, the clergy willing to fight for us actually did fit in a
02:19:01.260
small passenger sedan and drove down to Charlottesville. Um, you know, uh, you know,
02:19:06.580
father, father Raphael Johnson. Uh, and we, you know, I, I, I get these people messaging me and
02:19:12.760
they're like, you know, I, I read Cadriano. I'm excited about orthodoxy. I'm ready to fight the
02:19:16.700
spiritual battle and I've got books for them, but as far as like pointing them where to go,
02:19:21.260
um, you know, I, I, I hesitate to lead too much with Christian nationalism until we can get our
02:19:29.940
own internal affairs in order enough to not be leading them to the local wolf where there'll be,
02:19:34.360
you know, they'll go to the nearest orthodox church and hear a homily on, you know, how,
02:19:39.360
how fascism is, is, you know, satanic and globalism is the future. Yeah. Yeah. Uh,
02:19:46.360
just like you can be an atheist and still be part of the spiritual worldview. You can also be
02:19:52.800
Christian or any other religion and be a materialist. Um, just having abstract beliefs
02:19:58.360
in certain things does not make you, you know, a part of that perennial, you know, spiritual side to
02:20:07.280
this conflict. Um, there's a certain spiritual attitude to it that goes beyond your, you know, uh,
02:20:15.860
church denomination or even your professed beliefs. It's possible to be fully like on the spiritual
02:20:22.900
side and yet not be part of any religion or not have any, uh, strong beliefs about God or things
02:20:29.140
like that. And inversely, it's possible to be totally on the side of liberalism and materialism
02:20:35.800
and like believing in pleasure and safety first and profess to be Christian. So you have to make that
02:20:43.820
distinction and, you know, understand what is really important. Well, metaphysically I'm not
02:20:49.680
a perennialist, but metapolitically I'm absolutely a perennialist. It's a subtle, it's a subtle
02:20:54.760
distinction. Yeah. No, I mean the, the episode I did was slide rolls on that episode. That's pretty
02:20:59.120
much the conclusion. So, all right, gentlemen, I don't, I would love to discuss our main topic
02:21:05.760
further, but we've gone over our time. So now we're going to move into the second section of our show,
02:21:11.580
Kali Yuga News, for the first time in several months. So typically, uh, for those of our guests
02:21:18.040
here who have forgotten, who have not been on the show before, every one of the guests picks a story
02:21:22.760
and reads the byline and presents it, and then we make our comments. So if anybody has a burning desire
02:21:30.000
to pick an article and go first, I'd be glad to, uh, to give them the privilege.
02:21:41.320
Trump tells Jewish leaders he plans to go after anti-Semitism.
02:21:49.520
Bring it on. Read on. Well, guess we should have gone back in time and voted Hillary. Fuck.
02:21:55.380
This, this article is about Trump yesterday getting, well, there was supposed to be a bunch
02:22:05.280
of rabbis calling him and 99% of them boycotted the conference call because he condemned Antifa
02:22:12.700
when he signed that stupid bill. So that's what the rabbis, the statement they made, and
02:22:17.800
the one or two rabbis that did make the call, he promised them he's going to stop the anti-Semites.
02:22:22.960
Well, shit, that sounds to me like, okay, so he promised to stop the anti-Semites, but
02:22:29.920
because he condemned Antifa, all these rabbis, like, chimped out and left, right?
02:22:35.540
They, they chimped out and left first, and the few that did talk to him, he promised he
02:22:43.600
Sounds to me like you, you just can't make a kike happy and you just shouldn't try and
02:22:47.320
should just, uh, throw him off a fucking cliff instead. Fuck.
02:22:53.820
Yeah, well, this is the kind of, this is, um, so this is perhaps a subject that we can
02:22:58.500
kind of discuss in general is, um, you know, Stryker and Zeiger, Parrott as well. I know
02:23:04.540
that you guys all supported Donald Trump, uh, you know, in the presidency and the election
02:23:08.020
and I, Parrott, I read your, uh, AMA on Reddit where somebody asked you this question directly.
02:23:12.360
And so in light of, and after the event, Donald Trump did do us a favor by condemning, uh,
02:23:19.060
Antifa and much to the eye of the media. But as we're seeing now, Donald Trump has been
02:23:24.020
under the thumb of Zog since he got into office. That's, and now they are using their pressure
02:23:29.980
to bend him towards their political will. So I'm curious what your guys' thoughts are on
02:23:35.080
Trump, uh, these days. And what conclusions do you draw from us?
02:23:47.540
I was just gonna say real quick, uh, the, the, the thing about Trump winning in November
02:23:51.620
that they can't take away from us, uh, was that it was clearly a signal that we don't
02:23:56.700
want the Mexicans here, uh, we're moving in a nationalist direction. You know, whether,
02:24:00.720
whether, whether they receive amnesty or not, it's important. It, it, what's the, the mandate
02:24:06.000
stands. Trumpism exists independently of Trump in that America, the American people sent a
02:24:13.040
loud and clear signal that they are moving away from the reservation. Um, and it, it was
02:24:19.020
a seismic victory, a polarizing victory, uh, which the, the neoconservative movement, uh,
02:24:25.820
may never recover from. Um, and they, they can't take that away from us. Yeah, I mean,
02:24:35.940
Trump, uh, what Trump himself does is sort of secondary. Yeah, I, I agree with that. The,
02:24:42.100
the biggest, uh, positive for our side is the public demonstration that, that, uh, people
02:24:50.720
who support this sort of stuff, no matter how moderate it is, are the vast majority of
02:24:56.620
white people and the overwhelming majority of white males. And just the fact that everyone
02:25:03.660
knows that has a big impact on people's psychology. Because, uh, you know, as we've discussed before,
02:25:11.760
because of the Lemming principle, um, people base their attitudes and their behaviors on what
02:25:17.320
they believe their peers, uh, expect out of them. And in spite of the fact that the media
02:25:26.560
are saying that everyone's, you know, uh, a liberal, insane person, uh, now that you have
02:25:33.540
just the, the election results show that actually, no, uh, you know, I'm not alone. I do believe
02:25:39.000
that these Mexicans need to go back. And I, I do believe that, uh, you know, in, in these
02:25:44.140
kind of right-wing things, and that's, uh, that's a huge positive for us. But yeah, obviously
02:25:50.280
Trump right now is, um, under huge pressures and his administration is riddled with Jews
02:25:56.080
and infiltrators who, you know, probably would have been more comfortable in a Clinton administration.
02:26:02.660
And, uh, it seems increasingly likely that he's not going to be able to accomplish most
02:26:08.520
of the things that he's promised, you know, regardless of what he would want himself. Um,
02:26:14.620
but that's not necessarily the end of the world for us. I mean, um, we're going to take what
02:26:19.160
we can get, but ultimately I don't think anybody was under the illusion that this fight was going
02:26:27.840
It's the beginning of the world for us. Cause I mean, if Trump solves all the problems we're
02:26:31.760
hoping to solve, what, what the hell good are we useful for? So I consider it a win.
02:26:36.580
Yep. Yep. Yep. And if Trump gives amnesty, that's going to be the end of the Republican
02:26:42.360
party. Mark my words. Yeah. And there's no one's ever going to vote for them again. Yeah.
02:26:48.780
Some people are saying that it's a strategy in the sense that he, he said, well, he basically
02:26:54.900
removed DACA and then says, well, okay, now the Republicans can, uh, give them amnesty if
02:27:00.220
they want. And some people have speculated that, oh yeah, Republicans don't want to give them
02:27:04.640
amnesty because they know that it would be the end for them. I don't know if that's
02:27:09.880
true. We'll see soon enough. But yeah, the fact that Trump has gone on and said like,
02:27:15.200
oh yeah, I did a deal with the Democrats and all of that. It's not looking good. Um, I'm
02:27:21.100
not really hopeful that this is all some grand strategy, honestly.
02:27:24.060
No, neither am I. I mean, I think that it should have been immediately obvious to anybody who
02:27:28.700
was paying attention when Trump launched a missile at Syria that he did not have control
02:27:34.080
over his own foreign policy. And if you cuck once, if the Jews can manipulate you once,
02:27:40.160
then they can do it again. And it's easier the second time. It's pretty simple. Um, and
02:27:45.720
I think that this kind of just comes back to, you know, people have this, the mindset, they
02:27:49.720
don't want to get into a fight. Um, they're not prepared, um, you know, to get into the mortal
02:27:53.940
struggle with our enemies who have, um, been dominant for the last hundred years. And people
02:27:59.300
just need to break themselves to this. They need to understand that there is no easy way,
02:28:03.060
no clean way out of this situation. And that it is, um, you know, you, you're going to have
02:28:10.260
to answer to your ancestors, whether you showed up or not, essentially, if they exist. And I
02:28:15.220
think that ultimately the only way that Trump could like win this and do it and accomplish
02:28:20.800
his agenda is if he starts putting a lot of people in jail. And until we see that,
02:28:25.340
I mean, we know that he's progressively just going to lose all of his, um, positions and
02:28:31.860
be undermined left and right. Cause that, that's the only, the only way you can fight is, you
02:28:36.640
know, through, uh, you know, violence in that sense. And let's make one thing clear. Yeah.
02:28:42.100
Okay. Go ahead. Sorry. No, that's basically what I said. Like if he doesn't put people in
02:28:46.380
jail, he's, he's screwed and he hasn't been doing that, even though you would have been
02:28:51.940
justified in doing it. So he's basically screwed in the longterm. Well, I think what's great
02:28:57.940
about Trump is that he ran on a platform that he'll probably not accomplish 90% of. And it's
02:29:05.400
scathingly obvious that it's because the president is irrelevant. I mean, a lot of stupid assholes
02:29:12.840
were getting mad at Obama for eight years saying, Oh, if it wasn't for Obama and they're like, Oh,
02:29:18.220
that stupid nigger, blah, blah, blah. But here's the truth. Obama sat in his office looking in the
02:29:24.460
mirror for eight years and he had Jewish underlings doing all the, the governing because the president
02:29:31.200
of the United States traditionally does not govern. Nor did Bush, nor did Obama. That's why nothing
02:29:36.500
changes in this country. So showing the average white man in America, including boomers, but more
02:29:43.480
relevantly, the younger crowd that the president doesn't matter, that who you vote for doesn't
02:29:49.620
matter, that you have no power. And that an unelected cabal rules you is very important. And I think the
02:29:56.900
Trump presidency is going to be the straw that breaks that camel's back because once people stop
02:30:02.680
believing in the ballot box, well, you know, absolutely. And I think that this, yeah, I think
02:30:10.600
that from a strategic perspective, it was wholly in our interest for Donald Trump to win. And in some
02:30:16.600
ways, for the reasons you just said, striker, it is more polarizing, more shocking than a Hillary
02:30:22.240
victory, uh, could have been because if Trump, um, destroys himself in some senses, that's far more
02:30:30.980
powerful than Hillary destroying them ever would have been as a wake up call. Yeah. Very true.
02:30:39.540
All right. So let's go to our, uh, Imperium when? Yeah, indeed. Indeed. So let's see here. I'm
02:30:47.720
going to, uh, I'm going to pick the next story. Um, this is one of the most important stories in our
02:30:52.420
feed this week. This is from Russia today. Petrodollar and looming as China and allies dump it in oil
02:30:58.640
trading. Jim Rogers. Now this is the, this was the front page of, um, Russia today on the 15th of
02:31:05.700
September. So literally yesterday. Um, so I'll read on Beijing has announced plans to start a crude oil
02:31:13.020
futures contract priced in Yuan and convertible into gold. The step might lead to the emergence of a new
02:31:19.240
Asia-based crude oil benchmark to compete with, uh, Brent or West Texas intermediaries futures.
02:31:25.140
Essentially what this is article is about is if you've been listening to Mysterium fascis, you know
02:31:30.700
that the United States, uh, the, the international Jewish empire is kept afloat by financial wizardry.
02:31:37.620
And a lot of that has to do with the connections between, um, currency and oil and finance and business.
02:31:45.660
And in order to keep the economy stable, they need to find, uh, they need to keep the United States
02:31:51.320
dollar floating. And so the, I think that this is an extremely, extremely, uh, dangerous thing for the,
02:31:59.200
for Zog because this is China and Russia, as they said earlier this year, that they're going to move
02:32:04.400
off of the United States dollar for, uh, petroleum trading. This is a, another step towards this. And this
02:32:11.520
is the economic type of economic warfare that has the potential to totally disrupt, um,
02:32:19.480
the Western Western world of digits to collapse this, uh, usurious economy.
02:32:27.920
I didn't know people were still using Zogbox. I, everything I do is on Bitcoin now.
02:32:31.900
Um, yeah, indeed, indeed. Yeah. I mean, I think that this is, well, I had that included in some
02:32:39.380
of the notes there that the, um, you know, increasingly you will have to accept the mark
02:32:44.720
of the beast in order to do normie transactions and engage in normie technology. So the imperative
02:32:50.660
for our own, uh, the sort of alt tech, um, will not, not like, it's not only important. It is
02:32:58.580
physically necessary at the moment. Uh, you know, as, as the Eastern was demonstrated.
02:33:03.060
It's needed, needed for the sake of just to be a Christian anymore because he said it's
02:33:07.200
accepting the mark of the beast to do, um, normie transactions. I guess I'm going to have
02:33:12.140
to buy my groceries in Bitcoin and, uh, Monero and, uh, what's, uh, Tezos was the other one
02:33:18.040
we've liked too, but Monero is the one that's we've approved.
02:33:21.040
Yeah, indeed. So I just, uh, another international finance reminders for our, uh, for our listeners.
02:33:33.820
So I can't help, but I think this is, uh, I can't help, but I think this would be probably
02:33:39.760
that the death of the petrodollar, China and Russia, by the way, uh, China also has the fastest
02:33:45.640
growing Christian community. I don't know what to think about that, but, uh, well, I guess
02:33:50.780
God will choose another. Um, but I can't, the death of the petrodollar and the death of
02:33:57.100
American power read Jewish power. I can't help, but I think would be the best, absolute best
02:34:02.800
thing for the, not just the white race, but white Americans as a whole. Uh, it's very obvious
02:34:07.700
that America needs to die at this point. If you ask me, amen death to America. Uh, it's
02:34:16.820
part of this larger trend. That's not really even related to, uh, our politics where the
02:34:24.020
West is no longer standing, you know, uh, in control of the rest of the world and, you
02:34:30.020
know, China, Russia, and even the global South, they're steadily asserting, uh, their dominance.
02:34:37.460
It's like with this North Korea thing, it's like America's going to have to find out the
02:34:40.600
hard way that we're no longer capable of dominating the Pacific Rim. Like, like we were in the 20th
02:34:47.380
century. We don't realize that yet. Uh, but we've made a lot, a series of poor decisions,
02:34:53.080
including, you know, putting monkeys in costumes and giving them the franchise, uh, which, which
02:34:58.840
have, uh, weakened us. Um, and that weakness is now playing out in, you know, these countries
02:35:05.640
moving away from our currencies, moving away from us as the center of the universe. It's,
02:35:10.740
you know, to borrow from Dugan and the Eurasian, you know, it's, we're moving towards a multipolar
02:35:14.740
world and the fall of the petrodollars part and parcel of that. Yeah. Well, I mean, the American,
02:35:21.540
uh, Imperial army is, uh, incredibly weak right now. I mean, we, we've seen, uh, recently,
02:35:27.200
what was it? Two American warships collided with a merchant vessel or a fishing vessel. I mean,
02:35:34.220
that's, that's ridiculous. I mean, obviously warships are super fast and they have incredible
02:35:39.140
radars and all these systems, whereas merchant ships are really slow. So the fact that it was
02:35:43.760
this collision is just an indication that these people are totally overworked. That's what happens
02:35:49.960
when you make affirmative action hires, because anyone who's been in the Navy and I wasn't in
02:35:55.440
the Navy, I was in the Marines, but I heard all the horror stories, but that's what happens
02:35:59.280
when you plan simple hire niggers to do your navigating. It's great. America's military
02:36:04.200
is doomed because we wanted infinity niggers. Well, there is that, but there's also the fact
02:36:10.180
that ships are out on the sea for far too long. Like the soldiers can't rest anymore. They're
02:36:16.800
constantly like they're in fucking, uh, 130 countries simultaneously. It's insane. And, uh,
02:36:24.340
the morale of the troops is dropping. They're fatigued. They're overstretched. And, uh, I don't think
02:36:31.740
that, uh, you know, they're losing all the conflicts that they're in basically. And, uh, you know,
02:36:37.580
it's, it's a disaster. Uh, if, if a major conflict erupts, I'm not sure at all that, uh, the American
02:36:44.740
No, I actually, uh, I agree with you. And I think father Johnson has done a very good
02:36:48.020
job documenting this fact where he informs us that the desertion rate in the American military
02:36:53.640
right now, he is higher than in Vietnam, right? That's, I wish I could fucking get back in
02:37:01.040
and be an officer so I could get the training and then immediately desert to train American
02:37:05.580
Vanguard as a, the new, the new essay or something. Cause fuck it. Oh, fuck this fucking country.
02:37:14.520
The, uh, the, the, the problem with America is that for at least since world war two, actually
02:37:19.780
since before that American foreign policy is hinged entirely upon Jewish neuroticism. So
02:37:26.440
every irrational whim a Jew gets about anything requires a trillion dollar war from Zog. And
02:37:33.820
when you have such an incoherent military doctrine, there's no way it's sustainable because they're
02:37:39.180
not doing it for oil. They're not doing it for gold. They're not doing it for any of the
02:37:43.960
traditionally, the traditional imperialist reasons they're doing it to some Jew is scared
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about Saddam Hussein or some Jew is scared that Kim Jong-un is going to give Bashar Assad missile
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technology. This is our foreign policy. So how can, how the fuck can you sustain something like
02:37:59.720
that? You know, it's ridiculous. Are you saying striker that our, uh, American foreign policy is
02:38:05.520
crying out as we strike you? Yeah, there you go. Yeah. I once heard, um, American, the American
02:38:13.220
military apparatus described as like a big retarded giant. And you kind of would expect them to
02:38:18.920
be like a Goliath level warrior, but he actually just often accidentally steps on people and it's
02:38:24.300
really unpredictable. And you're not sure if he's going to go full Lenny and snap his fucking pet's
02:38:28.840
neck. But yeah. So any, any of you other gentlemen want to pick another story?
02:38:36.300
Oh, damn. I got two that I want to, I got here. You got, um, wow, this one, if you just, cause you got
02:38:45.800
several here, you got, um, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, seven of these motherfuckers. So you
02:38:53.540
got one that has McDonald's employee 25 is arrested after giving birth to baby boy inside the restaurant
02:38:59.900
and then trying to flush him head first down a toilet. And, um, you got to wonder, you see this
02:39:09.780
bitch right here? She's got this man jaw. She's got like a lot of high tea. It's just a California,
02:39:18.780
of course. I mean, finally, California is finally outdoing my home state, Florida for our, our most
02:39:26.900
fucked up state. Right. But honestly, at this point, just seeing the nature of women and America,
02:39:35.220
this, this just like, isn't really anything shocking to me. So instead, I think I'd like us
02:39:40.240
to go on to some good news here where hackers can order sex robots to kill their owners. Yeah.
02:39:47.940
It looks like, it looks like the death of the white race and probably Asians too. Isn't going to be,
02:39:53.780
isn't, it might be on postponement because what's going to happen is I can hear, I can see Florian
02:40:00.700
right now, uh, taking lessons from weave just to do this. Then he's going to, Florian is then going
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to take this, the sex robots and arm them to destroy whatever lab is working on. You know,
02:40:17.440
whatever transhumanist bullshit they got going on. Like let's, let's implant a working womb into men
02:40:24.360
because Sweden. Okay. But here they, they say, point out that hackers could one day order sex
02:40:32.440
robots to kill their human lovers. A cybersecurity expert has warned cyber criminals could easily
02:40:38.640
breach the robots in their defenses and turn them against their human owners. Lecturer, Dr. Nick Patterson
02:40:44.720
says, hacking into modern day robots would be far simpler than accessing more sophisticated
02:40:51.340
devices like smartphones or computers. He says, so basically I could fucking do this and let's face
02:40:56.640
it. Come on. Anyone here? Sorry. Hello? You cut out there, doc.
02:41:06.660
Well, it's a pretty funny story. And it is true that hacking into these sex robots will probably be
02:41:13.240
extremely simple. Um, though the guy who said that is, well, he's not bright in the sense that,
02:41:21.140
uh, obviously a sex robot, well, any, any robot that's shaped like a human is not going to be
02:41:26.100
strong enough to, you know, kill a man. So it's not, uh, it's not going to happen, but, uh, the concept
02:41:33.620
is pretty funny. Yeah. That's, that's why we all, uh, all our listeners out there need to absolutely
02:41:38.520
keep up to date on your firmware updates on your sex robots, uh, to, uh, and keep your firewall
02:41:44.280
secure. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. You need to use, uh, keep an, keep, keep your emergency floppy disk.
02:41:52.740
Yeah. Back up your wife whose personality. Yeah. Yeah. Close the open ports when you're not using
02:41:57.800
them. Uh, you know, a lot of these problems actually are the same with your, your human, uh,
02:42:02.760
human companion, female companions as well. Yeah. It's, it's probably going to be easier to hack
02:42:08.740
into, uh, uh, you know, women and get them to kill their husbands than, uh, the sex robots.
02:42:13.100
What I meant is, um, new millennium, new viruses to worry about. There's no one getting away from it.
02:42:19.380
It's basically a servos and artificial muscles and, um, pneumatic systems. They're, they're not
02:42:26.620
like strong at all. Like there, there is that thing in like a transhumanist circles where they,
02:42:32.160
they assume that if you have an arm made out of metal, it's going to be stronger than a normal
02:42:36.740
arm. But of course that's not true because, uh, uh, you know, human, human muscles or animal
02:42:44.060
muscles, biological, like that's really good stuff. It's, uh, we're not even remotely close
02:42:50.340
to getting the same performance levels and we're probably never going to be, uh, in the
02:42:55.320
same, you know, decades away. Oh, decades away. Well, centuries away from Canadian, creating
02:43:02.020
a robot as strong as a Canadian female. That's for sure. Yeah. Those girls are hardy. That's
02:43:10.220
true. That's true. All right, gentlemen, uh, we've gone to the end of our, our time limit. And so we've
02:43:15.300
come to the end of our show, although there's always infinite Kali Yuga news to cover because
02:43:21.240
hell is a bottomless pit. So to our listeners, thank you for joining us. I'm your host, Florian
02:43:28.220
Geyer. Joining me today, I had Doc Mayhem, who has had to leave because of, uh, technical
02:43:34.120
issues. So we thank him for his participation and his input. I have returning today, Zyger.
02:43:44.200
Likewise, and always. Once again, returning to the program, we have Matt Parrott, traditionalist
02:43:54.620
We always enjoy your presence. And for the first time on the program, we had Eric Stryker
02:43:58.440
of the Daily Stormer. Eric, it's a pleasure. I'm really enjoying your new podcast, and I
02:44:02.260
would recommend all of our listeners go and check out Fascism Now.
02:44:07.320
Yep. It's on, uh, it's on TRS, the right stuff dot biz. Uh, but, uh, pleasure to be here.
02:44:12.500
Great conversation. Uh, hope people got something out of this.
02:44:15.720
Absolutely. So to all of our listeners, Shalom.
02:44:21.440
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