In this episode, Fr. Raphael Johnson joins us to discuss Christian Peace, and the role of spiritual warfare in the defense of the Christian faith against violence. This episode is brought to you by Mysterium Bashings, hosted by Fr. Florian Geyer and co-host Nat Danelaw.
00:05:24.600I mean, they read that as, like, Christ is basically, you know, this hippie, right?
00:05:29.020Issuing them a cessation of hostilities and commanding them to, you know, turn the other cheek and take all violence administered.
00:05:35.840I mean, I've actually seen, you know, even, like, this is the mainstream Catholic teaching.
00:05:38.880Like, the Catholic Study Bible, when Christ rebukes Peter for drawing his sword at the band that's approaching, the explanation there is that Christ is clearly here condemning violence, armed violence.
00:05:50.560This is the shallow level of thinking that is the mainstream for both Novus Ordo Catholic and Protestant circles.
00:05:56.140Well, in Western Europe, and especially in America, if you're a married man and your wife, for example, tortures you emotionally for years, decades, brings you to absolutely nothing.
00:06:10.920And if you slap her once, you're going to jail.
00:06:14.600In other words, it's gotten so narrow in its definition.
00:10:23.980He had, you know, he had, he had, all the apostles were, all the missionaries were.
00:10:30.720How many armies have Christian societies had?
00:10:33.820How many, the size of these empires alone, the Cossacks came into existence to free Slavic slaves on the Jewish slave march in, off the Black Sea.
00:10:45.320You know, it's, it's a religion of violence, but that just means it's a religion of love.
00:10:49.200Absolutely. And that's exactly, I mean, go on now, please.
00:10:55.940I just, you just have a comment, really.
00:10:58.180I'm sure that a lot of the people who listen to this fine podcast program on the internet are not mouth bravers in any sense of the word.
00:11:06.380But to really bring forth a analogy, violence is inherently the biggest expression of love in any way whatsoever.
00:11:18.400Because in the most, in the totality of an extreme situation, in those moments where one's spiritual integrity and character is put into the most intensive pressures,
00:11:32.160that is when the aspect of violence normally comes in.
00:11:36.780When what you love inherently is threatened on the most fundamental levels, the imminent response of violence is the most clear indication of protecting, of taking care of what you love, preserving what you love.
00:11:55.420Now, all the church fathers, Augustine included, all agreed on one point, and that is in the use of violence, whether it be from a state or from a private group like the Cossacks or the Black Hundreds or anything like that.
00:12:09.680The moment it becomes passionate, the moment it becomes about selfish ends or hatred or revenge, it becomes illegitimate.
00:12:21.440Yeah, and this is what it comes down to, and this is, um, all of the great traditions talk about this, both in Islam and Christianity, that the essence of holy violence is dispassionate violence.
00:12:34.740Because the violence is not done in reference to yourself or to your ego, but rather is an expression of your self-giving and your integrated nature with both your family and your nation and with God.
00:12:47.380And it comes from those places, and that's when violence becomes sacred.
00:12:53.660We can speak of holy violence, as the prophets and the armies of Christ have done.
00:12:59.440But among Christians, you know, Leo Tolstoy seems to have won.
00:13:03.780You know, if you read the New Testament, um, with the exception of a few verses you can very easily blot out in your mind, it seems to be pretty pacifist, especially in the Garden, um, when Peter draws his sword.
00:13:16.240Well, the fact he had a sword in the first place doesn't, doesn't get, um, doesn't get, that question doesn't get asked.
00:13:22.380And this is why the Old Testament is so absolutely essential.
00:13:25.780The Old Testament is equal to the New Testament in terms of its importance and significance.
00:13:30.240That's where our politics is, our economics, uh, state affairs.
00:13:34.660All of this is handled and taken care of in the Old Testament.
00:14:50.240We're keeping Orthodox time here today.
00:14:52.640So, yeah, I mean, this is the question.
00:14:54.140I mean, so this hippie Christianity is, like, I mean, can we just touch on this?
00:14:58.600I mean, this is the ubiquitous view of Christ, kind of post-60s, is that he is, like, this, you know, um, absolute pacifist.
00:15:06.060And, like, we can see this reach just, um, blasphemous forms, like, with the Southern Baptist Convention.
00:15:11.440And that kind of whole milieu of Protestant thinking, which says that it's virtuous, you know, to let, like, you know, a Negro would rape your wife and invade your home rather than use violence to defend yourself.
00:16:07.460And it's the one that gets looked at when the rest of the body does things that are wrong.
00:16:11.940Like, if you kick somebody, the man does not readdress your leg, but rather your head.
00:16:17.200And so this is the way responsibility works.
00:16:18.980And so if you allow your body to be mutilated, which you have a responsibility, a duty of self-preservation, because it's in the image and likeness of God, right?
00:16:28.920I mean, you are effectively mutilating it yourself.
00:16:33.900Well, anything else would be suicide, which is a deadly sin.
00:16:39.460The primary purpose of the head of the family is the primary protector of the family.
00:16:45.860And that's where much of the authority rests.
00:16:47.900It's the same thing for the king of a country.
00:18:41.480So, yeah, I mean, this is the one of the other things that a lot of modernist liberal Christians base their pacifism on is the example of the holy martyrs and the traditional peaceful warfare, as the church fathers describe it, of the right glorious martyrs.
00:19:00.940And so they make the assertion that the martyrs' nonviolence and nonresistance to persecution at the hands of the Roman authority was because they were following the nonviolent pacifistic gospel of Christ.
00:19:40.160They realized that in certain cases, you know, fighting back is suicidal.
00:19:44.840That fighting back would lead to a tit-for-tat that would never end.
00:19:48.040But the Israelite example in A.D. 70 shows it doesn't – in some cases, in many cases, it just doesn't work.
00:19:57.420Boris and Gleb went to their deaths even though they had armies behind them very explicitly because if they had fought, it would have led to a nonstop civil war between these city-states that were all Russian at the time.
00:20:11.360And dying saved God knows how many lives.
00:20:17.560So it's a simple matter of common sense in these cases.
00:20:24.000The other thing I wanted to comment on is that the – for those of you who are not aware of, like, the history of the Great Persecution and so on,
00:20:33.420so the Great Persecution was initiated by the Emperor Diocletian in 303 A.D.
00:20:37.080Okay, and so hundreds of – you know, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, the numbers are not precise.
00:20:43.760Christians died and martyred in very, very brutal ways.
00:22:18.760And it's – this is one of the things that becomes very, very apparent is that most branches of Christianity have absolutely no serious demonology or theology or spiritual warfare.
00:22:33.200And it's just – this is – it's so – I mean, if you read the gospel, this is like half of what Christ does is exercise demons.
00:22:39.440I mean, I've had conversations with Protestants who are, oh, it's all – it's all theoretical.
00:22:45.560It's just a – these are metaphors for our sins.
00:22:47.620You know, and I open up verse after verse after verse of scripture where Christ is casting out demons, having conversations with demons, gives his apostles authority over demons.
00:22:58.600I mean, this is the – what – you know, these people are crazy.
00:23:01.300One of the bitterest pills I've ever had to swallow in my career, and I don't think I've totally swallowed it completely, is the fact that what I do 24 hours a day, now for 28 years, is study facts and make logical arguments and backup statements and site sources and all this stuff.
00:23:19.720And I go out into the world and realize that no one else does that.
00:23:25.080They believe what's convenient, what's easy, what justifies their lifestyle.
00:23:29.780And I have given fact after fact after fact to someone, and I hear them the very next day saying the same garbage they said before.
00:23:39.280It just doesn't have an impact if they're self-interested.
00:23:41.740And it is something that – I don't know.
00:23:43.740I just was very naive as a young man thinking that people actually were worried about the truth.
00:23:47.440And it took a long time for me to wrap my brain around the fact that very few people do.
00:23:53.260And in fact, truth is your enemy most of the time, and you'll become – the prophets have to be read, and they have to be read in depth because that's our life.
00:24:04.320They use a lot of harsher language, and they all – most of them were murdered.
00:24:07.860They threw Jeremiah into the sewer, but their lives are our life right now, and that's why the prophets are absolutely essential, and Christ acted like a prophet.
00:24:21.180Someone at the cross even said, oh, he's calling on Elijah.
00:24:27.300He had the exact same method, his harsh language, and he was a difficult man.
00:24:30.740And so in imitating the prophets and speaking like a prophet, Christ himself is certainly giving them tremendous authority.
00:24:38.540When you have a book in the Bible named after you, it's pretty important, and they're ignored, and we all know why they're ignored.
00:24:47.180I mean Joshua – the book of Joshua, I just read that recently.
00:24:50.520I mean it reads like – it reads almost like a national socialist piece of fiction.
00:24:56.280I mean literally it's about this ethnic group sanctioned by God who come in and displace all of the Canaanites and kill them all and take all of their cities, and then God distributes the territory in a socialist fashion.
00:25:44.440So the – yeah, this is – I wanted to make this point because this is just – I mean I see people saying this ridiculous nonsense all the time.
00:25:50.400That this is the meaning of martyrdom is just to be like a fag.
00:25:55.120I mean it's just to lie down and take what your enemy gives you, you know, I mean like a pussy.
00:26:57.020This is like they're undergoing their own bearing of the cross, their own crucifixion, the imitation of Christ, defeating death within themselves and within the empire around them.
00:27:09.380I mean this is what was going on as they were conquering the Roman Empire spiritually, engaging in peaceful warfare as we've described before.
00:27:15.900Well, one of the arguments I've made for the truth of the gospel, one of the best arguments I've come across is, especially given the cultural confines of the day, writing about a man with no job, surrounded by women, condemning everything and everyone, and dying in humiliation on the cross was the worst conceivable way you could ever get followers.
00:28:07.120You know, you talk to someone who says that the martyrs previous to Constantine are proof of pacifism, and yet there's Constantine who formed an empire.
00:28:21.180And again, we're going to mention this a lot, but cognitive dissonance.
00:28:23.980And then that's when they start calling names, and, you know, unfortunately, we can't take care of it like Elijah did, but maybe we can one day.
00:28:34.580A good example of this before we move on is I was having a conversation with an Orthodox Christian who was raised in kind of mainline Greek Orthodoxy in Greece.
00:28:42.440And, you know, and I was supporting the historical Orthodox position of the death penalty for sodomy.
00:28:50.420And so I sent him Justinian's law code, and I said, so this is a law code that was written by an emperor who's a saint.
00:28:57.200And the prefect of the assembly team was John the Cappadocian, who's also a saint, patriarch of Constantinople.
00:29:03.720And it says they should be set on fire.
00:29:06.360So you're telling me this isn't an Orthodox position.
00:29:08.620And he basically accused me of becoming Orthodox so that I could set fags on fire.
00:29:26.160Well, Thomas Jefferson said that they should be drawn and quartered.
00:29:28.840He says it right in notes in Virginia.
00:29:30.760The most liberal by far of the founding fathers said they should be put to death.
00:29:35.640You know, they weren't living in a time where you're brainwashed into thinking that they're just, you know, they're men with good fashion sense.
00:29:43.300You know, the brainwashing is so overwhelming that we can't even describe it anymore.
00:29:46.940And the most liberal of the founding fathers wanted them dead.
00:29:50.440It was more than just the disgusting acts that they do.
00:29:53.240There's something wrong with them personally.
00:29:54.580Well, the fact that even he opted for drawing and quartering says something, too, because it was a punishment reserved for the absolute worst of the worst, the most disordered and chaotic agents of evil in the world for English punishments.
00:31:16.840So let's talk about violence, you know, between Christians and what the actual meaning of turn the other cheek is, because we've explained this before on the show.
00:31:27.000But basically, for those of you who are not aware, I mean, the pagans, you know, atheists, liberals, they love to throw that in your face, you know, turn the other cheek.
00:31:35.580I think, you know, I mean, like, what this means, basically, is in ancient Israel, Christ specifically says, if you were slapped on your right cheek, turn your left cheek.
00:31:48.340Okay, because in ancient Israel, to initiate a duel, you would backhand somebody with your right hand, you'd slap their right cheek.
00:31:54.340This was a challenge in the Mediterranean culture, in all ancient civilizational culture.
00:31:58.060There was a challenge and response system, from a cultural anthropological point of view, in order to maintain your honor.
00:32:05.520And so what Christ is saying is that if somebody challenges you to a duel, okay, he insults you, you turn your other cheek.
00:32:12.980Now, what would happen is that would force, if you were exposed to the left cheek, it would mean that he would have to strike you with an open hand.
00:32:20.840To build upon that further, I do believe at some point during one of your podcast programs on the internet, Florian, you did say that God is not autistic.
00:32:39.340And that, you know, when an autistic person reads a book, they often understand things very literally, and they don't really understand, like, the deeper context of a writing.
00:32:58.360And so this is, I mean, this is what I would ask you, kind of a segue.
00:33:01.180So, Father Johnson, so, I mean, what is, you know, Orthodox Christianity, what's the teaching of Christ on violence between Orthodox people and between Christian nations, and in that context, and for our personal enemies?
00:33:15.060And can you talk about the distinction between personal and non-personal enemies?
00:33:20.340Well, both St. Augustine and St. Ambrose make it very clear that violence among Christians is always, probably, illegitimate.
00:33:31.180There's simply no justification for it.
00:33:34.640Now, St. Ambrose said that even responding personally, that self-defense among Christians is illegitimate.
00:33:42.440Now, he's, you know, that's not the majority opinion.
00:33:47.680The difference between personal and all other forms of enemies is that, you know, one's public and the other is private.
00:33:55.860An enemy that wouldn't be personal would be, you know, a mob attack on a church, an invasion of your country, humiliation of Christians abroad, something like this.
00:34:07.740And it goes back to what I said before, that it can't be motivated by revenge.
00:34:12.400It can't be motivated by those feelings where somehow your self-interest is being served by this.
00:34:20.140It has to be done calmly and rationally, or it shouldn't be done at all.
00:34:29.100And so, I mean, I think this is, people don't understand, I mean, the way Christian theology works.
00:34:36.700I mean, so the message, if you read the first chapter of the Gospel of John, the whole point of why the Logos became flesh is so that they who received him could become sons of God.
00:35:40.120Sorry, I was hearing, but I can hear people already getting annoyed in the background over, oh, does that mean it's legitimate?
00:35:47.540When bad Christians from Nigeria come into your country and demand food and all this stuff.
00:35:54.160The thing that has to dominate our minds when we think about these things is, and I said bad Christians for a reason.
00:36:00.800When they come demanding things of you and they come with their hands out, they are not acting in good faith.
00:36:06.940And in many ways, to me, it looks like when they start making demands, I hear an awful lot about especially the church in Nigeria as an Anglican being an upright sort of example of what we should be doing.
00:36:18.400And I'm sure there are many good priests and bishops there, but a lot of what happens is like a racket where they come around with their hands out and they say, give us money, give us money, give us money.
00:36:27.080Well, you're right to say that they're not really doing that.
00:37:16.820It is possible to be a member of an ethnicity, okay, and have that ethnicity have its own territory and governance while still being a member of the church.
00:37:31.380And so, if you, like, people go to this question with, like, say, well, what do you do about, you know, non-white Christians?
00:37:37.140Well, you know, there still might be Christians, but they have their own countries, their own nations.
00:37:44.120I mean, it's such an obvious thing, but people have been so twisted and lost sight of these basic, I mean, like, no shit Sherlock facts.
00:37:54.740Well, again, when it comes to these sorts of issues, even the most obvious facts don't matter.
00:38:04.580And when you talk about a politician or a businessman that is bringing in more immigrants from Somalia or whatever, aware of the crime statistics, aware of what's going to happen, and he puts himself in danger.
00:38:18.000I mean, he may live in a gated community, but not all the time.
00:38:21.600You know, we know the head of Time Warner had his son killed by a gangster.
00:38:25.100This is the same guy who, Eisner, who killed, who created Gangster Wreck.
00:38:31.880And when you have a regime that is overriding the instinct for self-preservation, you have to start talking about a spiritual force that deludes them.
00:38:43.240There is, in my mind, there is no other explanation.
00:38:46.300When you have people, you know, the sign, you've seen it, rapists before racists, and women are doing this.
00:38:52.820All of a sudden, feminists are saying rape is okay if it's done by one of these people, more or less.
00:38:56.560When that starts happening, it's not rational.
00:39:01.440It's even the most basic instinct it does war with.
00:39:05.220So you have to be talking about – even more than brainwashing, it's demonic.
00:39:21.220I mean, it's because people don't really understand the way sin works, right?
00:39:24.480They see sin as – you know, they see grace as this, like, created ontological, you know, Manichean substance, this light, this created light.
00:39:33.900And they see evil, like, as the same, like this dualistic opposite substance, right?
00:39:38.180And so they don't understand that, you know, people evil – like, you know, you become a slave to demons when the core of your identity is based on falsehood and sin and lies and corruption.
00:39:48.020Your personality is disintegrated in its essence because it's based upon falsehood.
00:39:57.800And that means you're a servant of the devil.
00:40:02.140Your core identity is sin, right, which comes from demons.
00:40:07.140Plato spent his career saying that, arguing that, maybe not the demonic part, but the idea that sin, doing the wrong thing, injustice, isn't so much an act but a state of mind and a state of affairs that's often very public.
00:40:24.540Like, we know people who suffer from depression, for example, or body dysmorphic disorder, they see, you know, something that doesn't exist.
00:42:00.800Yeah, so we talked about this a little bit already.
00:42:03.560I wanted to touch on, you know, personal self-defense, you know, and then the patriarchal economy, right, or the economical household, right, the spiritual household.
00:42:14.500And just kind of school people and how corporate responsibility and all that works.
00:42:24.180So do you want me to do an introduction or does anybody else want to make an opening comment?
00:43:48.780And so God deals with people, not only patriarchally, and not only with the responsibility that we mentioned earlier, but as communities, as groups.
00:43:58.620That's why Adam and Eve were created as a pair, because God saw that it was not fit for Adam to be alone.
00:44:14.440And so what they have to, like, what we have to understand is that this concept, this is why Adam went into sin, not just himself, but his wife and the whole universe descended with him.
00:44:27.580The whole cosmos was affected because he was the priest in charge of the material world.
00:44:32.820And so because he had responsibility, literally he was the head of the universe, the head of the, on earth, right, he brought it into sin.
00:44:39.680And so this concept of real spiritual household authority, right, and it is not arbitrary, is central to Christianity, central to the Christian worldview.
00:44:53.340And so this patriarchal authority exists, you know, first of all in the family, in the household, right, but also in, you know, the community, the nation, according to class and function, right, in an empire and in the church.
00:45:06.620And so this is the concept, this is why, right, if, you know, your house is being attacked by bandits and you do nothing, you are responsible for everything that happens to your family.
00:45:20.440That's one of the most overwhelmingly powerful arguments against any kind of pacifism or turning on the cheek.
00:45:30.920That would even be the case if the guy breaking into your house was orthodox, although, obviously, if he's doing something like that, it doesn't take the church all that seriously.
00:45:39.000But it becomes your fault if you do nothing, including if, you know, if it's almost certain death, you still have to do it.
00:46:21.380And so people cannot conceive of a nation that's Christian, that's that integrated, that has that sobornos.
00:46:30.840Also, with regards to violence, too, if we think about it this way, through natural law, even an animal has the basic instinct to save its own life and to save the life of its progeny and its family, too.
00:47:57.760You know, and again, this is – our enemies use this to say, oh, well, that means that, you know, you have to, you know, bend over and indulge your adversaries, personal and public.
00:48:07.640That's what they believe the teaching means.
00:48:08.960So we've kind of discussed why this is, you know, balderdash already, but let's discuss it a little bit more.
00:48:15.680I mean, so, Father, like what is an enemy?
00:48:20.680And what does Christ mean when he says, love your enemies?
00:48:23.800And is there a difference between loving personal enemies and then public enemies, that kind of thing?
00:48:28.800Well, it seems these days, almost every day, I'm getting into a debate over what the word love means because it's assumed that love means indulgence.
00:48:42.900And, of course, that wasn't the case in the past.
00:48:45.140The notion of romantic love and getting married because you're in love with somebody in our modern sense, that's brand new.
00:48:51.400That's, you know, that's 19th century.
00:48:52.840The idea of marrying someone because they're attractive, I mean, this is brand new.
00:48:58.380This has never been known in history before.
00:49:01.880This notion of love as being, you know, this beta male is humiliation.
00:49:07.280This is absolutely, absolutely brand new.
00:49:44.060I mean, it's so bizarre to treat it that way because we're so used to thinking of it in this saccharine, you know, hallmark, Valentine's Day kind of way.
00:49:53.720But when Moses destroyed the Canaanites, it was done out of love.
00:49:59.540He, you know, part of the concept was that he's putting these people out of their misery.
00:50:05.360If they're really living like that, sacrificing children and worshipping rocks and everything else, the best thing that could have ever happened to them is that they get killed.
00:50:36.640Truth is, I'm not sure I would quite put it that way because the very nature of this struggle comes from sin.
00:50:45.300But engaging in the struggle and not really caring what happens to you as a result, that is a manifestation of love, absolutely.
00:50:52.760Another way to put it is that love is allowing yourself to be hurt for the sake of the betterment of someone who you love, completely rejecting your own self-interest.
00:51:04.840So, love and humility in that case are very similar.
00:51:08.460The one thing it's not is what most people, is how most people use it, use the term.
00:51:18.120So, you're telling me that love is not indulging yourself in oxytocins and frequent masturbation?
00:51:26.160Yeah, that's part of what I'm telling you, yes.
00:53:21.500If it's not blatant, if it's not obvious, if it's not something that you can put into a computer, if you can't turn it into a number, then it doesn't exist.
00:53:32.260If you're doing it for your own purposes, to promote something of yours, whether financial or whatever it is, if you're doing it for a sacrifice for the whole, which is what a soldier does, which is what a monk does, it's legitimate.
00:53:49.060If you spank a child out of anger, it's the wrong thing to do, and you're not going to gain anything from it.
00:53:55.840You may do it, though, to teach your child something.
00:54:00.660And so you're doing it for a rational reason in a rational frame of mind.
00:54:03.900Same act, very, very different circumstances.
00:54:05.940Yeah, and this is what I think it comes down to is that people, it's a combination of both this kind of feminine Gnosticism on the one hand and this, you know, hyper-masculine nominalism on the other hand.
00:54:23.260And so, I mean, people have such a warped view of sin because of the degeneration of created grace in the West, you know, they view it as this, they don't understand what the passions are.
00:54:35.200They don't understand that God made anger and hate in us.
00:55:02.440I mean pursuing the truth because you love it is perfectly – it sounds like a passion, but it's not.
00:55:10.380Passions are precisely when it's disordered both in terms of your motivation and in terms of its purpose.
00:55:16.540You know, when you go off into battle because you are just so in love with your people that you want to lay down your life for them, this is not an illegitimate passion.
00:55:26.400It's rational both in its origin and in its purpose.
00:55:30.020Yeah, and I think that this is it precisely.
00:55:35.300And this is – I mean this is what logos – Christ is the logos.
00:56:04.120This is just what's so critical about this doctrine of the logos.
00:56:06.920I mean this is just – it comes back to it.
00:56:09.180A lot of this is because people don't really worship God.
00:56:11.800They worship an idol that they have created in their hearts of God who is this kind of capricious, I mean legalistic tyrant, this monster that demands a gross ransom and satisfaction in exchange for occasional inconsistent favors and possible pie-in-the-sky salvation.
00:56:31.900It's very common, and I see it in traditionalists especially, and it's just as bad as the opposite view, as a Tolstoyan view.
00:56:41.920When I was a Roman Catholic, this was the concept.
00:56:44.360He's looking for any excuse to send you to hell.
00:56:48.260Unless you go to confession, if you die with that stain on your soul, you're finished.
00:56:55.040And even if you die in righteousness, you're still going to suffer for a long time.
00:56:58.160But there's a psychological issue here that bothers me.
00:57:04.960Justice and love and mercy are two very, very different things.
00:57:10.280Justice in the normal sense we use in kind of the penal sense that you commit a crime and you have to then do the time and you have to make up for whatever it is that you harmed.
00:57:18.740That's a normal way that a government might run, but that's not how God runs.
00:58:21.180What does God mean when he says, I am who I am to Moses?
00:58:25.160This is the exact opposite of what we're talking about.
00:58:29.840This is not the autistic teaching that God is actus purus, and this is a revelation of God's, you know, ontological, eternal action within the universe.
00:58:39.120But rather, this is God affirming that he's not autistic.
00:58:45.820We can know him and love him and interact with him like a father can interact with his children.
00:58:53.220To a great extent, when we talk about God's love, that is the case we are talking about indulgence.
00:58:58.240Because, especially given the society that we live in, it is not my fault that I was born in 1971, the worst possible year to be born in.
00:59:06.100Not just because the number one song in the country was Maggie by Rod Stewart, which makes me sick in my stomach.
00:59:10.540But also because I came of age in the early 80s, the height of the sexual revolution, where you're told that unless you have a beautiful woman every weekend, you're defective.
01:00:30.180And the whole heresy of Donatism is about this.
01:00:35.080For those of you who are not aware, the ancient heretic Donatists started this heresy of Donatism.
01:00:41.620Because there were, during the persecutions, there were traitors who would apostatize and they would tell the Roman authorities where the Christians were hiding, where the holy books were, where the churches were.
01:00:55.480And so, especially after legalization of Christianity and even before, there were people who would repent and who would want to come back into the church and make amendments.
01:01:06.660And Donatists essentially was arguing that the church did not, could not forgive them.
01:01:12.320That God could not forgive them, would not forgive them.
01:01:49.940That that uncreated power has destroyed our sin.
01:01:52.900More than that, do they think Paul is a Christian or not?
01:01:55.860He went from being a, um, worse than a, a, um, simple coward, an actual ardent enemy of, like, the truth and the, uh, Christian way of life and its people.
01:02:10.240And yet, uh, God's grace was sufficient for him.
01:02:12.780So, it's, it's just wacky listening to people with, like, these good intentions.
01:02:19.780But, uh, when genuine repentance is given, obviously it's not within human, human rationality to, um, like it necessarily, but it's not within our power to deny it.
01:02:33.180Well, here's, here's the thing about the prodigal son.
01:02:35.880You, you, you are the older son in, in, if you're an Orthodox Christian.
01:02:41.100You're the guy who, who is following the rules, you know, who, who never, uh, freaked up, who never disrespected his father, who never treated his father as if he was dead, never asked for the fatted calf.
01:02:53.220And then, you know, you see, you see your, your shitty brother come back and get all this special treatment.
01:03:31.460And, and that's the big problem with these legalistic doctrines is that you're essentially telling God, okay, I've followed the commandments.
01:03:41.060The minute you start thinking in those arrogant terms, that's when you're, you're, you're, you're in error.
01:03:46.440These heresies like Montanism and Donatism, they posited this, this small group of purified ones.
01:03:53.820This, this small oligarchy of those who are pure, who were to rule the church, you know, with an iron fist.
01:03:59.660And a lot of these, and a lot of these, and you've seen a lot of these heresies over the years, that's really about the self-indulgence of a group of people having themselves on the back for their own virtue than about anything else.
01:09:34.140So, we're going to get right back into our subject.
01:09:37.800So, before that, we cover the history of violence in Scripture, the Old Testaments, Gospels, New Testaments, etc.
01:09:43.260So, Dr. Johnson, I want to talk about Christian armies now.
01:09:46.760I mean, we can talk about, you know, the army of ancient Israel, and just Christian organized warfare, how Christian armies are supposed to fight one another.
01:09:54.840We'll get through each of these topics in turn.
01:09:57.020But I just wanted to basically ask you, you know, what is the position of Christianity on organized military conflicts, and so on?
01:10:07.140Well, I think, to a great extent, we've already answered that.
01:10:20.420Someone had asked about the Byzantine view of warfare, especially clerics bearing arms, because during the Crusades, Byzantines were outraged of seeing bishops and abbots well-armed.
01:10:38.960And my answer was, well, that's easy for them, when they're being protected by the most advanced professional army in the world.
01:11:23.620This is something I wanted to discuss, because it's a, one of the things that's unfortunate about Eastern Orthodoxy is precisely that so much of Eastern culture is incorporated into it just as a mode of translation.
01:11:34.600And now that it's being reintroduced into the West, a lot of people include elements of Eastern culture as if this was the gospel.
01:11:43.960When, in fact, you know, there's huge cultural diversity.
01:11:46.060And there's a very, very long history of Western Orthodox Christians before the schism, you know, because of the frontier nature of their life, bearing arms, clerics, and so on.
01:11:54.620I mean, the bishop, the Orthodox bishop of Paris led the defense against Ragnar Lothbrok when he besieged Paris.
01:13:02.980That's what mark – when you hear that word, a mark is the border or the line of forts demarking, okay, Roman territory from barbarian lands, okay?
01:13:17.020So the whole of Western civilization is based on the civilization that came out of settling the marks, the frontier territory, both in the British Isles, in the Rhineland.
01:13:27.700In Spain, literally, this happened with the Reconquista.
01:13:31.020The nation of Spain was created in the blood of the Crusade.
01:13:33.400And so I think that it's just important for Western clerics, Western Orthodox clerics, to understand that history and to embrace the fact that we are very much in that prophetic mode.
01:13:47.000We are like the Israelites in the land of our enemies.
01:13:50.660It's, in fact, startlingly and shockingly similar.
01:13:53.720And one group of people that we should think more about are the Cossacks, you know, the bikers of their day.
01:14:05.540They come into existence in an area that was very hard to defend.
01:14:10.620The Stiep or the Plains, you know, was very difficult for any organized power to hold.
01:14:16.240That was one of their main jobs, and to free the slaves, the hundreds of thousands of slaves that had been taken from Turkic attacks that were very Jewish, and slave traders on the island of Kaffa were exclusively Jewish.
01:14:29.820That was one of their jobs in the empire, but their purpose was to hold this border.
01:14:38.980They were in communion, of course, with Moscow, but they were fiercely independent.
01:14:44.260They made certain that the bishops and clergy were theirs.
01:14:48.680They didn't have a lot of permanent institutions for obvious reasons that were always on the move, but they also weren't going to be lectured to and told that their lifestyle is somehow non-Christian.
01:14:59.220And yet they produced saint after saint after saint.
01:15:02.780And it just, you know, Russia couldn't be without the Cossacks.
01:15:06.900They were a classic example here of violence and a military force that was extremely praiseworthy.
01:15:15.660They saved God knows how many slaves from a miserable life in the Middle East.
01:15:28.260And so, I mean, this is, I mean, for those, it just, one of the things that I, I don't even talk with most people anymore, I don't have to debate with them,
01:15:36.360because so much of the fallacies that are, that come up against Christianity are the result of raw ignorance, just unadulterated, pig-headed ignorance.
01:15:45.240And, like, the most basic historical study, the most basic, basic book on ancient history, I mean, it disproves 90% of these fallacies that they come into,
01:15:55.800that, you know, Christians didn't have militaries and don't have empires.
01:15:58.720Christianity is this weak, pacifistic religion and is opposed to these notions of ethnos and nation and race and folk.
01:16:05.240And it's just, it's what's so shocking that I run into over and over again people with just total historical illiteracy,
01:16:12.660despite the fact that they seem to be interested in, you know, esoteric theologies.
01:16:17.220You know, they're retards, retards, when it comes to this stuff.
01:16:22.880Well, you're being very nice, and you're being very, very diplomatic when you call them that.
01:16:32.440Sometimes, because the ignorance is so overwhelming and overpowering, I don't even know how to answer them.
01:16:38.580You know, partially because I want to strangle them.
01:16:42.420You know, and that's why I, this has been, this is one of the biggest issues that our people are coming across.
01:16:47.780We know that the overwhelming majority of what the average person knows, including the average university professor, thinks they know is fake and false.
01:17:34.120We were talking about this earlier in the podcast when I just signed on.
01:17:36.920And it's the fact that the average person, we have to realize, doesn't actually care to think, doesn't care to understand, doesn't care to learn.
01:17:46.580It's called the liturgy, where, yes, if you're going to have habits and if you're going to act on your habits, you better have good habits.
01:18:40.120This is one of the things that, I mean, as on a side note, but is critical for any Orthodox Christians listening to understand, is that you don't convert.
01:18:53.480It's the Holy Spirit who converts, and so there's no technique, there's no magic, there's no hidden esoteric knowledge, no propaganda that can pierce the blackness of men's hearts if they don't want to let you in.
01:19:05.760It's only the fire of the Holy Spirit which can pass through.
01:19:12.240And usually, he's so gentle that he doesn't set men's hearts on fire as we would like him to.
01:19:20.320And so, the most effective thing, really, because conversion is fundamentally a spiritual operation, it's about the relationship between the repentant and the Holy Spirit, the best thing you can do is bring them to liturgy.
01:19:33.940It's much, much more effective, much, much more effective, you know, than talking to them, assuming that they're not already interested, they're not in, they don't really, you know, they have a black veil around their eyes and so on.
01:19:47.500A lot of the converts I know have actually been converted that way.
01:19:55.420We're living in an age where it brings you so far out of the modern world.
01:20:02.180Because even the new calendarist groups, you know, still have a pretty good liturgy.
01:20:05.340It's, it's something, it's so far, it, either you're terrified of it, you want to run the other direction, or you're just absorbed into it.
01:21:13.200And this is just something that's, this is what it comes back to.
01:21:16.620I mean, you know, you want to, as eloquently as Mysterium Fashies attempts to lay out this kind of Christian, national, socialist, integrated worldview.
01:21:25.320I mean, you can't show this podcast to somebody who's not willing to listen on the basic points.
01:21:31.420In my episode, I recently re-listened to my episode that I did on the sodomite question.
01:21:34.940And in that episode, I talked about how if you don't believe in natural law, in telos, that the universe, you know, has purposes behind things.
01:21:45.740And even if you're a Darwinist, you know, you must believe in order to be, you know, any sort of sane person, that evolution produces specific traits for purposes.
01:21:54.400That there's a way things ought to be, that we're adopted in a certain manner, and we ought to go along with that.
01:21:59.900And I predicted, and I said in that podcast, that there will be people who will go full nominalism and deny that evolution has a purpose, that it's all ran into flux.
01:22:08.140And sure enough, somebody who listened to the podcast did make that comment on the podcast.
01:22:13.460So this, the point is, that people can listen to this, they can listen to Mysterium fascis, they can hear what we have to say laid out perfectly, and making the most sense in the world.
01:22:24.820You know, but if their hearts are black, if their noose, literally, the highest part of their soul, is darkened by sin, it doesn't matter what we say.
01:22:33.460And again, this is part of the very, very bitter pill that I had to swallow, and it took me a long time to wrap my brain around, is that unless they're loved into something, unless you're already friends with the person, and they already like and respect you, they're not going to listen.
01:22:52.860And what they'll do is that they'll use labels.
01:22:55.400Labels are a substitute for knowledge.
01:22:56.960It's a situation where words conceal rather than reveal.
01:23:00.560And they'll call you a fascist or something like that.
01:23:05.160Then they could say, oh, okay, I don't have to listen to them now.
01:23:07.920So you could have the most complex argument, incredibly deep and profound knowledge about something, but they could dismiss you with a label.
01:23:17.000And it's a miracle I'm not in prison for beating someone to death because of all the work we do, and that's how we get dismissed.
01:23:25.980This is probably why Elijah responded so violently to his detractors.
01:23:30.560This is, you know, I never knew what anger was until I entered the academy, theological university.
01:23:39.840And I did this as a Catholic, as a traditional Catholic to begin with, in a Catholic university.
01:23:44.040And so I can remember watching my professors preach heresy openly, right, and I can just call them out on it, right, and have them elaborately explain why you preach the heresy.
01:23:58.060And I can remember exactly, Father, these same emotions, just the desire to throw my desk at them.
01:24:02.240So, I mean, it's – and it's on a such – it's not a hot emotion.
01:24:10.200It's like the deepest part of your soul, your spirit that demands decency, you know, tells you to this.
01:24:17.580Well, there's certain people like Matt Heimbeck and David Duke are the two people off the top of my head who can go on a radio show or a TV show and be abused beyond reason and still keep their cool and make their points.
01:24:32.320It's one of the most admirable things that those two guys have, and I know this is why I never accept those kind of invitations because I ended up getting so angry.
01:24:43.320I sound like a lunatic, and it's a gift that these guys have for whatever reason that they know how to control their emotions and stay on the point, knowing full well that they're really – they're talking to other people.
01:24:53.000They're talking to the viewers, not to the host, but the host is instructed to treat them with utter contempt in hopes that they're going to say something irrational.
01:25:03.260I've always admired those two for that.
01:26:32.860But what does it mean for us socially?
01:26:40.560In my case, it means that I'm not very social.
01:26:44.340I can't go out and make small talk with someone.
01:26:46.920I don't know how to do that if – I couldn't do that if my life depended on it.
01:26:51.060But in non-movement people, you could tell in five seconds whether this person knows anything.
01:26:59.020And I'm talking about educated people.
01:27:01.340You know, it's one myth after another.
01:27:02.660Well, this is the thing, and this is what it comes back to is, I mean, I far prefer to deal with fishermen because at least they're honest and real.
01:27:13.900People don't – people – this is the fallacy.
01:27:16.600So liberals have this fallacy of they glorify poverty and fetishize the exotic laborer and working class.
01:27:23.560And this is why there's so many Jews and middle class whites and communist groups because they desire this intensely.
01:27:29.860So poverty is not in and of itself a good or a virtuous or a noble thing.
01:27:35.980But what is important is that people who are poor are close to the real world.
01:27:41.580The suffering, the cycles of the earth, the way things are on the street, you know, you can't bullshit this.
01:27:47.160You can – there are certain delusions that are not acceptable when you live in that real world environment.
01:27:53.200And so what this means is that these people tend to have a more honest view, a more sane view of the world around them and a more sane view of themselves with their own corruption.
01:30:04.440If they're aware of it, they're already on their way to transformation.
01:30:08.800When I converted in grad school, I remember very explicitly telling myself I got to take my life apart, every bit of it, both now in my own history, every element of my personality, and then put it back together with Christ in mind.
01:30:27.320And it was a long, very difficult process because no one likes to look at themselves that way.
01:30:31.220So if you don't have introspection, if you can't look at yourself objectively, then you can't repent.
01:30:43.540And this is why suffering is important because the nature of suffering is that it forces you to look at who you are, where you are, and what's going on.
01:30:53.920And there are two different types of suffering.
01:30:55.620There is, I mean, purposeful suffering where you can see, well, I'm suffering because of my sins, right?
01:32:06.700You know, you'll engage in schizophrenia or extreme cognitive dissonance or MPD or something like that, PTSD, right?
01:32:12.920And your personality will be fundamentally destroyed or broken or your personality is so integral and so strong and the grace of the Holy Spirit flows through you, right?
01:32:24.140That you're able to survive it miraculously and you come out more integrated.
01:32:29.920This is what happened with Job, right?
01:32:32.860And this is the thing is his friends come to him and they give him.
01:32:35.060They say, oh, well, this is all in God's plan.
01:32:37.200You know, this is, you carry your cross, Job, this kind of stuff.
01:34:01.600And these people with this disease, they die so young precisely because they can't feel pain.
01:34:06.480Yeah, speaking in terms of liturgy and discipline and even martial discipline, hunger is as sanctified as eating is.
01:34:18.440And, of course, we know eating is sanctified because it has its own sacrament.
01:34:22.840The Eucharist is, like all other sacraments, a sacralization of human existence and human behavior in that all of our behaviors are supposed to be ordered towards God.
01:34:52.900I mean, the thing is that this is what – when you fast, this becomes incredibly clear immediately because you realize that the way you ate before was as an animal.
01:35:09.280So when you fast, you break yourself of this habit and you can eat whenever you want.
01:35:17.120You're not controlled by your passions.
01:35:18.960And this is the profound gift, the profound freedom of fasting is that you have mastery and dominance over your life and over your passions.
01:35:31.360I think one of the big benefits of fasting is the extra oxygen that your brain now can make use out of.
01:35:38.240It takes a lot of energy for your body to digest a meal, especially if it's meat and certain kinds of dairy, which is why they're prohibited during fasting periods.
01:35:50.440It takes a huge amount of oxygen to fuel this.
01:35:56.560I eat about one meal a day, usually at night, and to me it's a big pain.
01:36:01.600I mean I fast really because I'm too late to eat.
01:36:06.440It's just – it's always a big pain in the neck.
01:36:08.460If you can't microwave it, I don't want it, and people live for this stuff.
01:36:12.940But when I – my freshman year in high school, I took Latin after lunch, and I was asleep for half that class, as was everybody else.
01:36:24.840You should never schedule Latin after lunch.
01:36:26.860That's really the big takeaway of this show I think.
01:36:30.460And this is – we're talking about spiritual warfare here.
01:36:32.360This is why – and even secular Greeks to this day still fast before they make an important decision because under certain circumstances, whenever you increase the amount of oxygen available to the brain, you're using more of it, and it becomes a chronic situation.
01:36:47.000It came out that if you eat a bagel before you do an exam, you have about an average 9 percent lower grade.
01:36:58.020Yeah, I've heard things like this before.
01:38:40.380Oh, I found that using, you know, xerophagy or, you know, dried salted bread, which I guess would be like a saltine, which bypasses your system, is the best way to have a little bit of a full feeling without really eating much of anything.
01:39:00.300I found that as a way, kind of an introductory way to begin fasting without a whole lot of pain because initially it's awful.
01:39:07.280You're not used to it, but that is a way to get used to it and have it not really, you know, usually fasting implies that you're having, at least in Greece, dried bread with a small amount of salt.
01:39:18.780You know, you get a bit of a full feeling without actually having eaten much.
01:40:52.300Now, Aristotle says that you really can't be a human being without that kind of rational liberty.
01:41:01.100So how many human beings actually exist?
01:41:04.020This is the only citizen in Aristotle's state.
01:41:06.900This is the only person who actually could be a citizen.
01:41:08.880That's not just free in the vulgar sense, but is autonomous, who can make decisions based on purely – the internal passions like self-interest or anger, stuff like that, have been eliminated.
01:41:28.060But freedom is based – and even Thomas Jefferson says if you're working for somebody, if you have debt, you're not a free man.
01:41:34.020You have to worry about what these people are going to say about you.
01:41:36.020That's why he was so concerned with the yeoman farmer having his own way to make a living.
01:41:41.400Because the minute you're dependent on somebody and you have to fear their opinion, you may internalize this and start censoring yourself, sometimes without even knowing.
01:41:49.560There's a direct analogy on the spiritual level.
01:41:51.880I mean, what Thomas Jefferson is saying is that if you're dependent upon somebody else for your daily bread, then you're ultimately a slave to them.
01:41:58.400Well, spiritually speaking, if you don't – if you're dependent upon somebody else for the Eucharist, then you're dead.
01:42:22.100And so this is, I mean, just it's – but this is the thing.
01:42:28.000The problem is that in America, in North America, we're living in such a Protestant culture, such a nominalist culture, that the idea that life, that everything can be made sacred is so foreign.
01:42:40.580You know, with the exception of a few Calvinists.
01:42:45.460I think Stonewall Jackson definitely had the grace of God.
01:42:48.320I mean, I read his biography because he was living almost like a monk.
01:42:51.360Everything he was doing, he was trying to offer it up to God as a prayer.
01:43:08.260The people who I know who are like that are all female, of course, and all attractive.
01:43:10.760They've never suffered a day in their lives, and it creates a very superficial, almost childish, not childlike, childish demeanor where they don't understand what life is and don't realize that their privileges is what gives them their happiness, not – that's how things really are.
01:43:28.600This kind of suffering brings us to know ourselves.
01:43:31.340As you said before, suffering is absolutely essential, but as you also said, the worst kind of pain is that which doesn't have any purpose, which I think is what most people feel, and that's why they don't care, and that's why you have a massive epidemic in America of heroin and all kinds of opiate derivative drugs.
01:43:51.200To bring some parallel in regarding finding oneself truly in pain, I think most men who have spent time in any sort of military structure have become very, very familiar with this phenomenon, finding yourself and finding your limitations in pain and experiencing the thrill of overcoming said pain, finding your very fundament in overcoming these great discomforts.
01:44:22.180I think that's one thing that a military background is beneficial for. My pain came from a different source, but the principle still holds, and you find out just how strong you are. You find out who your friends are. This is absolutely essential. People who don't suffer, they don't know this. They live in their own fantasy world.
01:44:41.420Yeah, and this is it. I mean, Mussolini was quoting Christ when he said, all that I can offer you is suffering and struggle. That is what Christ says. If you would be my disciple, pick up your cross and follow me.
01:44:57.260Okay, now there is a couple of different levels to this. There's two takeaways here. Number one means that to be a follower of Christ means that you will literally undergo your own passion, your own suffering. Spiritual, physical, some way. Guaranteed.
01:45:13.160Number two, it means that you are electing to become a martyr physically. You're electing to die for Christ. This is why you are baptized. You die. You drown.
01:45:22.140You know, I became orthodox involuntarily. I became orthodox because I had read so much of the ancient world and the philosophy and history of the ancient world. I had no choice. I didn't want it. I wanted to get laid. I wanted to get laid. That was my concern at the time.
01:45:40.620But when the truth is staring in the face, there's nothing you can do about it. And you're honest enough to follow it. This is what you have to do. It's hard. It's a hard life. When people, you know, want to convert, I say, are you sure? Even becoming a member of the nationalist movement, I say, are you sure? Because you know what's going to happen to you.
01:45:59.460When I was ordained, the bishop said to me in November of 2006, he said, there's going to be a massive demonic attack heading your way very soon. God, was he right? But that's what he tells me just before he said, this is a life that we're electing to lead.
01:46:17.240Absolutely. So this brings us to the topic I wanted to discuss next, which was irregular or tribal Christian military forces. So because of, I mean, the Westphalian totalitarian mindset we have in the West, there's this view that the only people that can exercise legitimate violence or authority is the state apparatus or somebody sanctioned by the state apparatus.
01:46:46.580So what I wanted to discuss was the long and storied history of Christian irregular military forces. You know, so we go back all the way to the Old Testament, the Hezekiah, right, and the tribal warfare of the Israelites, but, you know, Chetniks, Cossacks, but taking it to the North American level, you know, the idea of autonomous militias, auto-defense groups, parish militias, and so on.
01:47:16.580Speaking of the Old Testament, I think Gideon is a great example. He was the leader of an irregular force against the Midianite colonial empire.
01:47:28.040This guy was an absolute nobody, no military experience whatsoever. God chose him. He tried to get out of it, tried to get out of it a million different ways.
01:47:37.380His army was very small, which God had deliberately insisted. So people would know it's him, not a military force. And he won through trickery, not from force of arms.
01:47:51.860And this is, you know, and Gideon is a great hero in the Old Testament. So the Byzantine way, of course, is only regular forces can, only the emperor can declare war and only the regular army can fight it.
01:48:06.760Well, that's nice if you're in the Byzantine Empire. But Gideon was under a colonial system. It's completely different in their case.
01:48:16.040And the Chetniks against the Turks, it's the exact same thing. Things change there. And as St. Athanasius is talking about, you know, under that kind of foreign control, clerics or anybody has only the right but the responsibility to take up arms.
01:48:29.200This is violent for the best of reasons. Absolutely. And this is essentially what I wanted to come full circle around to, is that the way I see it is that fundamentally, if you're a Christian, especially if you're an Orthodox Christian, there's no way that you could be in the West and not be a revolutionary.
01:48:47.060In the sense that you must, because of the gospel of Jesus Christ, advocate for the total change, the total destruction of not only the current state order, but the entire cultural, philosophical, theological underpinning that it's constructed upon.
01:49:03.040We'll call the European Renaissance and Enlightenment. And so, I mean, you must be a revolutionary if you are to be a Christian.
01:49:11.100And this is what Christ says, literally. You're a revolutionary, not against God, but against the devil and against the world.
01:49:21.540You know, I was the first person to write an article against the 9-11 story, that very day. I was at the spotlight, so I was in a perfect place.
01:49:29.580And when I began, that very day, I was speaking about it to people. I was in DC, so I couldn't get out of the city. And I was called every filthy name in the book.
01:49:42.020I was attacked more than once. And I think the reason is that if they came to the knowledge of the truth, that their entire lives would have to change.
01:49:53.160They couldn't be anything they are now. Knowing the truth would mean that your own life would be turned upside down.
01:50:02.200If you're not willing to do that, you now have every motivation to shut people like me up.
01:50:08.780I think that has a lot to do with why facts don't seem to matter.
01:50:12.080Because if that's just, if that's even half true, their entire world would have to change.
01:50:17.160Their viewpoints, their way of life, how they act, who they associate with, it would all have to change.
01:50:24.560And most people aren't willing to do that.
01:50:49.200So yeah, what I wanted to say was I wanted to, yeah, there's this idea, right, this incredible, incredibly heretical idea that, you know, the state, all state authority is sanctioned.
01:51:00.880Because authority comes from God, and the state has authority, then that means all authority comes from God, and that means that the U.S. government's actions are sanctioned by God.
01:51:12.720And so as a Christian rebellion to, like Zog, is rebellion to God and illegal.
01:51:18.780So what I wanted to discuss is just to ask a question.
01:51:21.380What is legitimate Christian political authority?
01:51:25.060Where does it come from? How do we know who has it?
01:51:29.280Well, it's laid out in the Old Testament, Deuteronomy in particular.
01:51:34.760The state has always been a very dicey issue, because it's not the same thing as the crown.
01:51:39.520We're talking about the legitimate, righteous use of violence, and if it's not based on natural law and the truth, it has no right to exist.
01:51:50.840St. Paul very explicitly states there that the government has to come from God, but not everything that we do comes from God.
01:51:59.840When society says that political power comes from the people in some vague, weird way, it's not from God.
01:52:09.780By that argument, then if a biker gang takes over a city, well, you have to obey it.
01:52:16.140It's essentially whoever is strongest you have to obey, and therefore that's as legitimate as the most Christian state in the world.
01:52:22.120It's a laughable. It's one of those arguments that I don't even know how to answer because it's so ridiculous.
01:52:27.180It's one of those I want to strangle you kind of arguments, that if anyone accepts that – and usually no one is consistent on that.
01:52:33.920They say it as kind of a way to shut you up.
01:52:35.460You know, often they say it as a way to get you – get off the subject and just to get out of there.
01:52:42.100No one is very consistent on that kind of thing, but it's one of the dumbest arguments you could ever actually create.
01:52:48.060At the very foundation, natural law, the family, and frankly a monarchy, including it would be something like a hetman or a military leader, is absolutely essential.
01:52:59.240Yeah, and so this is what it comes down to, is that, I mean, the servants of the devil are his sons because they do his will.
01:53:11.460Likewise, the sons of God are his sons because they do his will.
01:53:15.360And so we can recognize those governments with legitimate authority by the fruit that they produce, and because they do the will of God.
01:53:23.580They conform with natural and divine law.
01:53:25.940And so it – and I think that it's important that we talk about in the Orthodox Christian context that the way that – we talked about this in our Church and State episode –
01:53:36.720but the way that Symphonia works is just that the church is a living entity.
01:53:42.260It's an organism that's physical, and it's one household and one nation.
01:53:47.220And so there is a head of that household, a father, a patriarch of that nation.
01:53:50.620And so he is anointed by the Church in the Holy Spirit, as were the kings of the Old Testament, to be the father and patriarch of the Church in his nation and of his people.
01:54:03.840And in the same with an emperor, it's not a folk king, but rather a civilizational king.
01:54:08.640He is the king of a civilization of multiple nations that are in free cooperation because they're organized around one logos, which is the church, one Christian idea.
01:54:21.200But the empire is – if it's looked at in a certain way, it is the most legitimate because it doesn't interfere with nations.
01:54:33.460It's a confederation of nations found together under one specific idea, usually a religious one.
01:54:40.600You know, in empires in the past, all politics was local.
01:54:43.260So the emperor generally only concerned himself with taxation and military affairs.
01:54:49.620So you could be a nationalist and still be – you know, there are Hungarian nationalists and Croatian nationalists who love the empire in Vienna.
01:54:57.820There are Georgian nationalists and Armenians who love the empire of Moscow.
01:55:02.180Those two things don't conflict because they're defining the political very differently from each other.
01:55:07.860In the Middle Ages, as I think you all know, the Roman Empire was the touchstone for legitimacy in politics.
01:55:16.200It's one of the biggest issues that we could touch on, but that became the – because there's a balance you have to hold between the universality of the truth, the faith, but how that's manifest in a day-to-day conception is going to change.
01:55:33.200It's going to be different for different people.
01:55:34.660So that balance, you find it in the Council of Chalcedon where you have Christ as a human and a divine nature that are in perfect balance.
01:55:45.600One can never dominate the other, and there are two wills attached to those.
01:55:50.740And so you have everything that's human, whether it be belonging to a nation, economic life, family, now fused with everything that's divine, manifest by the church and the monks on earth.
01:56:04.900There has to be that balance there, and an empire that achieves that balance, which I think the Russians did, for example, for a long time, is the best manifestation of the idea of Chalcedon.
01:56:18.880The divinity is this universal truth, but the human is how that's manifested on a day-to-day basis, which will be different depending on languages and everything else.
01:56:26.180Yeah, and so I wanted to speak to the issue of, in North America, are Orthodox Christians legitimate in any potential armed conflict against the state authorities?
01:56:43.560I don't understand what you mean. Do you mean legitimate in what way?
01:56:50.200So I guess, like, the question is, you know, so if, like, in a North American context, if there's civil unrest, right, and we come into conflict with the forces of the American state, right, is it rebellion, is it illegitimate, right, for Orthodox Christians to fight Zog, so to speak, with violence?
01:57:12.160This should be circumstances dictated.
01:57:17.560As of right now, you know, as well as I do, that the regime would love nothing more than for one of our people to go shooting up a, you know, military base.
01:58:36.440You're talking about the collapse of central authority, or at least a situation where we actually have a shot at creating a new form of government,
01:58:44.720in which case it would be deeply sinful to not fight the regime in that case with violence.
01:58:52.460Indeed. This is what I wanted to refer in both positions.
01:58:55.820Again, I invoke Gideon. Remember, that was a colonial system, a mid-level empire that held the Israelites in subjection.
01:59:09.020And Gideon, using trickery and all kinds of methods that we wouldn't consider normal martial actions, defeated them and killed a lot of people.
01:59:20.140And he was held, and still is held, as a hero of the church, and of course a saint in our world.
01:59:34.340Yeah, absolutely. And there you have it. I mean, it just comes down to this.
01:59:38.220You're right, Father, is that people are just going to deny the Old Testament, because you can't accept it and take it seriously and reject what we say.
01:59:49.340Because it's not even an allegorical or spiritual meaning. It's the plain meaning.
01:59:55.400I mean, if you believe, it's just very simple.
01:59:57.880If you believe that the God of the Old Testament is the same as the God of the New Testament, then you must accept this, what we're saying, as legitimate.
02:00:09.660And this is why, at the moment, it's simply ignored.
02:00:13.560The Psalms are cute, you know, so they'll accept that.
02:00:16.540And you've seen Bibles that Protestants give out that are just the Psalms, Proverbs, and the New Testament.
02:00:21.960And it's, you know, so the Old Testament has been thrown out of liturgy, which you've said a handful of times.
02:00:32.300You know, in Orthodox Vespers, you have Old Testament reading.
02:00:36.300But as a matter of course, it's largely thrown out of liturgy.
02:00:39.680And I think there's a very good reason for that.
02:00:42.800The prophets are hardly talked about, even in theological circles.
02:00:46.560Because if you become, if you accept what they say, which is the same thing as what we're saying, you're automatically a revolutionary.
02:00:52.600You can't accept the society as legitimate or the government as legitimate and believe that the Old Testament is equal to the New Testament unless you're completely dishonest and simply lie about it.
02:01:05.620So my predictions I've made many times before is there will soon be an attempt to institutionalize that and to remove books of the Old Testament from the Bible.
02:02:30.780Yeah, and it's, you know, these are the type of person that you really, the level of ignorance is such that you really have to start from the beginning
02:06:00.460I was going to say that the word Hindu is contrived.
02:06:03.860I mean, in Vedic, the word literally means that which has been handed down.
02:06:10.040Yeah, the word pagan really comes from Christians.
02:06:13.180It was just a way to take all the native customs and give it a label.
02:06:15.800When St. Augustine was sent to England, Pope Gregory I said that if the native customs there don't conflict in a serious way with what we're teaching, you have to preserve them.
02:06:29.080And that became the foundation for the national church.
02:12:58.280They have come into existence solely as challenges for ourselves.
02:13:02.000Think of God, what he thought of Sodom and Gomorrah, what he thought of the Canaanites, people who have brought things like child sacrifice into part of their constitution.
02:13:17.280And the Israelites were condemned because they didn't kill enough of them because God ordered that they be slaughtered after many warnings and that you kill everything, including their animals.
02:13:33.380Because everything has been – sin gets into everything.
02:15:38.400Two more neo-Nazi groups banned after links to far-right terrorists, national action exposed.
02:15:45.460The government says it has banned two neo-Nazi groups, Scottish DOM and NS-131, the National Socialist Anti-Capitalist Action.
02:15:53.520Both aliases have prescribed terrorist organization national action.
02:15:59.460Now, I'm just going to go ahead and tell our people here this.
02:16:03.760None of these people have ever committed any crimes.
02:16:08.840I mean, they've never committed any crimes.
02:16:12.060None of them have been charged or proven guilty of terrorism.
02:16:15.540The prescription of these groups in the United Kingdom as a terrorist organization is done, like, whole cloth, whole cloth politically.
02:16:28.940You know, and so, I mean, now there are – I want to – I'm saying to those members of our UK comrades, I know some of them listen to this show,
02:16:38.320that you're in our prayers, you know, and we support you 100%.
02:16:43.360But I think this goes back to what you were talking about before, Dr. Johnson, that this is a – you know, this is not a hobby, this is not a game.
02:16:52.140You know, that national action, they used purposefully inflammatory propaganda, you know, made themselves, you know, the stinking nuisance of the state, right, as a tactic.
02:17:03.080And so they are paying the price for being the farthest vanguard of our people.
02:17:12.740Well, we have the First Amendment, of course, in America.
02:17:16.080But the way that they're going to get around that is by considering certain forms of speech as forms of assault.
02:17:30.280And when that happens, we will notice that when we get into trouble, serious trouble that way, all of our so-called friends are going to disappear.
02:17:39.300And that's the great terror that I have, that I think a lot of our people have, that there won't be anyone there for us.
02:17:45.040All of a sudden, they're going to become supporters of the system.
02:17:47.600And there will be plenty who support us, of course, and are willing to – you know, I define a brother today as someone who's likely to go to the gallows with me.
02:18:03.580If there's a good possibility that we're going to share a gulag cell together, you're my brother, and I'll take a bullet for you if necessary.
02:18:13.540No, it's absolutely true because I know people who are – I've met modernist priests who probably will be killed and probably will be sent to the gallows because they have basic intellectual critiques of the state and of liberalism based on the gospel.
02:18:32.520And they're not even – they're not orthodox at all.
02:18:34.480But they have enough integrity as Christians and have a serious enough personality that they are willing to make critiques of Zog, so to speak, of the regime, and they will probably be in the gulags with us.
02:18:51.040Yeah, you know, one of my favorite examples is very depressing, but the second major synod of the catacomb church underground in the USSR was generally condemning all the other catacomb churches.
02:19:10.660I mean, they're looking at the gulag, staring it right in the face, and are creating more factions.
02:19:20.740And unfortunately, that's what our people do, and it's the reason why we don't really have an effective presence in American politics.
02:19:27.480But yeah, this goes back to this question of national action.
02:19:33.200And so I just think that it's essentially important – there's a couple of other things here.
02:19:38.140When they start doing this, they escalate the conflict enormously.
02:19:43.280Because in the United States, for instance, the equivalent organizations are allowed to exist and operate openly and legitimately, engage in open propaganda, so long as they don't break the law.
02:19:53.980They're not, you know – no, that's not to say I want to – that is not to say that the federal authorities do not persecute them, as Brendan Russell is being persecuted right now by the FBI.
02:20:05.420He's certainly in our prayers. God bless him.
02:20:08.300But my point is that to say when they ban organizations, they escalate the conflict, and they bring us much closer to armed violence.
02:20:15.920And my personal opinion is that North America is a very different situation than Europe, because in North America, the sheer space – it is a continent.
02:20:25.320It's a civilization. It's not a nation.
02:20:28.000Whereas in – so there's space to operate and space to maneuver, which can, I think, potentially reduce a lot of conflict because there's places for people to move.
02:20:37.060In Europe, I think that the race war is inevitable because these populations are there, and there's no way that they're going to be removed peacefully.
02:20:44.140Well, there's one quote from this airhead Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, right in this article.
02:20:55.140By extending the prescription of national action, you're halting the spread of a poisonous ideology and stopping its membership from growing, protecting those who could be at risk of radicalization.
02:21:57.900And so they don't recognize when certain aesthetics, certain provocative uses of imagery, the swastika and so on, are used in a technical and intentive propaganda stratagem.
02:22:11.380And so Benjamin Raymond's whole plan, the whole idea of having that kind of guerrilla, black block look, and being aggressive, doing the whole gas the kikes race war now, and just being obnoxious, is that the media must cover you.
02:22:28.200And in a place like England, where you have the Rotherham rape gangs going unpunished, men saying gas the kikes race war now, that appeals very viscerally to a lot of people.
02:22:38.700I've said it before that if I was in Europe, I'd be much more radical than I am now.
02:22:43.540Because the situation is just intolerable.
02:22:46.620But the thing is, of course, the tradeoff is when you use these extreme tools, you get extreme results.
02:22:52.660You get yourself banned as a terrorist organization.
02:22:56.160And your people get to go to prison and have their names in the news and have their lives ruined.
02:23:00.740But that's what you're signing yourself up for.
02:24:05.800And, I mean, I'm certainly no innocent lamb.
02:24:08.860Anybody who listens to the show knows that when we talk about these serious topics like, you know, children dying and that kind of stuff, the vulgar language comes out.
02:24:21.440But the point is it's just that this is a – it's going back to this nominalist attitude.
02:24:26.440You know, well, what does – you know, words don't really mean anything, right?
02:24:31.440I mean the reason I've never been kicked off Facebook – well, I was kicked off Facebook once for 24 hours because, you know, four years ago I posted a graphic that said Heimbeck did nothing wrong.
02:25:23.700You know, God may also simply just destroy his soul completely.
02:25:30.780He might not even be worth sending to hell.
02:25:32.480You know, no one is sent to hell or conscious sends us to hell.
02:25:40.420He probably was aware of what pornography had done to women.
02:25:46.320You know, I've read enough – the stories of former porn stars, what they say it's done to them.
02:25:51.380And if you want to kick the porn habit, that will do it because you realize, you know, these women are tortured, not just on screen either.
02:26:26.720And yet we live in an age where it's not, which is just as depressing as anything else.
02:26:34.400Yeah, I mean it's just – this is because there was an interesting critique.
02:26:41.300I mean whenever people commit religious violence, they are challenging the new world order.
02:26:48.620Because they're saying that there are absolute moral systems and authority structures that are opposed to the new world order and that enable them to do and commit violence.
02:27:00.820That's because the one thing that's anathema to liberalism is absolute morality.
02:27:05.820And that's what it comes down to is that's why people won't say, oh, well, he's burning in hell for sure, you know, except for socially acceptable targets, right, Hitler and Stalin, et cetera.
02:27:45.640It's a good thing to – I mean if you can do it without completely destroying them, you know, allow people to be woken up to their own sins.
02:27:52.620Well, yeah, there is a tradition in the Russian church that there is this place of death, Hades or Sheol.
02:28:36.540This is – you know, speaking of father, you asked the question a while ago, and I'll answer it on air, as to why Solomon was a saint and why he isn't depicted in an iconography.
02:28:46.900I researched that question the other day, and that was the answer that I got, is that he accepted the – he repented in Hades, essentially.
02:28:57.640But part of the concept of sainthood is to give us examples to follow.
02:29:04.100I mean we don't know that for certain.
02:29:05.440And it means that you can pretty much do whatever you want because later on you'll have a chance to listen to John the Baptist and you could be saved that way.
02:29:15.920I still think it's a terrible example.
02:29:19.820I mean Solomon wasn't just – I mean Solomon was evil.
02:29:24.420He brought pagan statues and liturgies right into the temple, right into the Holy of Holies, and worst of all, he split Israel in two, making chaos for the rest of its existence.
02:29:42.540Masons use him, use his temple as the center of their intellectual universe.
02:29:48.400You know, I just – I still think it's a terrible error, and it's a terrible – and you see him most of the time, and you see him as a saint by himself.
02:30:00.200But often you see him in Icon to the Resurrection.
02:32:12.720And these guys, I mean, probably a lot of them are going to be MS-13, so probably they'll start doing what they do in Texas,
02:32:18.340which is, you know, kidnapping girls and selling them into prostitution and then sacrificing them to their demons.
02:32:25.720Literally, they set up altars and worship demons.
02:32:27.940As far as MS-13 is concerned, you're absolutely right.
02:32:34.040It's almost a religious group in many ways.
02:32:35.680They are part of the regime, as you well know, because when the stock market crashed in the crisis of 2007, the only thing keeping it afloat was laundered drug money.
02:32:49.300That was the one thing that they could count on, and it's in the tens of billions of dollars.
02:32:55.280Eliminating that for the regime is very risky, and, you know, this is why the regime has always been involved in drug dealing and drug trading and supporting, you know,
02:33:06.620they usually have one group that they support over the others and on them and everything else.
02:33:11.220The, you know, it just shows you how bad things are.
02:33:14.700If you're right about the Canadian thing, if they could figure out a way to get to Canada, getting into the U.S. is very easy.
02:33:19.860But there's entire prison systems in the Southwest that are pure MS-13.
02:33:29.020And it's just, yeah, so it's going to be an interesting situation because that particular part of the world, the lower mainland, Fraser Valley River area, Fraser River Valley area, rather, is not exactly white.
02:33:47.520And it's filled with populations that are very ethnically insular and hostile to foreign invaders and aliens.
02:33:52.100It's like it has the highest concentration of Sikhs in Canada.
02:33:57.020And so my personal opinion is I think that this is an area of the world that will either be enormously peaceful because of corporate interests,
02:34:05.060and it will essentially become the Hong Kong of North America, as it is now, or it will become enormously and extraordinarily violent.
02:34:18.480And you're going to have Sikh death squads.
02:34:22.100Yeah, I'm quite ignorant about that group, really.
02:34:25.980I've seen them on the D.C. metro before.
02:34:31.520They're very, very, basically, they're very, very similar to Cossacks because the way Sikhs are is they're a Sikh male when he's baptized and received his turban is initiated into the warrior brotherhood, the Khalsa,
02:34:42.300which is the universal warrior brotherhood of all Sikh believers.
02:34:45.080And so the religion came into being in the 16th and 15th centuries as a response to the Turkic Muslim invasion of the Punjab.
02:34:54.680And so it literally is a religion of warriors that is meant to fight Islam.
02:35:00.720And that's why they're required to carry weapons at all times, Kirpans or Sashmir's and so on.
02:35:12.300It has its own community kitchens, right, where they will make meals for the day and send them out to families who can't cook for themselves.
02:35:20.700They have their own internal credit unions, their own internal banking systems.
02:37:39.340But rather, it had such a massive population consummate to the immense productivity of the arable land that it needed to feed these people.
02:37:49.940But the point is, is that with the Chinese, that a lot of the caste that we've gotten here in North America are from that top 10%.
02:37:57.440And so they're actually quite civilized people.
02:38:00.960You know, they're not whites, obviously.
02:38:02.360But I have many good friends who are Chinamen who are quite honorable and who I know would be, you know, against Zog when that push comes to itself.
02:38:10.660Of course, you know, they are Chinese, right?
02:38:13.000And they see themselves as part of greater China overseas and have that racial kinship with their people.
02:38:18.040And so in that way, I would say places like Vancouver are – have already been conquered by the Chinese.
02:38:24.160The Chinese nation has conquered Vancouver, right?
02:38:28.080And so there's that existential threat, I would say, from that direction.
02:38:31.820But that's kind of a – that's kind of on a different level.
02:38:37.160Well, you know, I've never walked through a Chinese area afraid of being mugged.
02:38:42.420But I can tell you, Father, I've walked through and been through Vancouver and parts of Vancouver where it is China, where I am the only white person, where you can walk through different stores 10, 15, 30, 40 minutes before you see another white person.
02:39:01.660But this is what I mean to say is that they've conquered – like there are people – there are third generation Chinese Canadians who do not speak English living in that part of the world.
02:39:12.380I've always been very sympathetic to East Asians, always, for years, not only because of the Chinese alliance with Russia.
02:39:18.440That goes way back even to the Tsarist era.
02:39:20.520The rooftop Koreans in 1992 protecting their society against the rioters at the Rodney King verdict.
02:39:29.300Most of the East Asians that I know are generally very right-wing ideologically, but that's not what I'm talking about.
02:39:38.180And I think that it's just important that we – here's the thing is there's too much – I don't understand the impulse, the propaganda impulse to visceral gut emotions and daily stormer-type propaganda.
02:39:49.540But there's too much of this – like a kind of a lowbrow view of the other races on the far right where it's just – I mean it's – I'm going to be vulgar here, but it's like just nigger death basically.
02:40:01.040And that that's the purposes of the other races of the world is to be chatteled for white national socialist world imperium, that kind of stuff.
02:40:11.060Yeah, the East Asians are a very high IQ people, family-centered and everything else.
02:40:16.860They seem to be natural allies, and I have respect for them, and you're absolutely right.
02:40:21.820It's idiotic for them to speak like that.
02:40:25.480Yeah, and it's just – it's immensely ridiculous.
02:40:31.320And I think a lot – I mean – yeah, and I'm not going to push it any further because I think it's kind of prima facie obvious why this is so stupid.
02:40:38.520Because our job is not to be an entity with the races of the world and the nations of the world.
02:40:45.280Our job is to be for our own people, right, and to be separate from them.
02:40:59.140You know, saying that another group of people, you know, is – saying that the Chinese are civilized, that they've had a civilization for 5,000 years, right?
02:41:49.560This is not a big issue of mine, but articles like this are becoming more and more common.
02:41:56.820It was a much bigger issue in the 1970s when this was first introduced, adding fluoride to the water supply for the sake of attacking tooth decay.
02:42:07.600But now you have a study here in the Journal of Environmental Health Perspectives, a group of 300 sets of mothers, increased levels of prenatal fluoride exposure is associated with lower cognitive function.
02:42:24.120And, of course, the argument always was that fluoride has this kind of retardation effect on the mind.
02:42:32.580Now, it also says that the doses were fairly high, but that depends on where you live, but it is significant.
02:42:42.920Yeah, I mean, to be fair, these doses that they're talking about, these are not unusual.
02:43:01.020I've been on fluroxetine before, antidepressants, you know, and so I know exactly what the effects of concentrated fluoride are on your brain.
02:43:12.560And it is retarding in the truest sense of the word.
02:43:17.220It lateralizes and scatters your cognitive function.
02:43:21.540So it's just, but what I, this is, of course, of course this is what's going on.
02:43:46.800But what I wanted to say is I wanted to make a point here that I see guys in the far right that poo-poo and dismiss things like fluoride in the water or geoengineering chemtrails.
02:43:59.100You know, this kind of stuff, this is all just this wacky Alex Jones conspiracy theory.
02:44:04.920And these are the same men who are saying that we shouldn't appeal to respectability, you know, that we shouldn't, we should be focused on the truth and the facts and so on.
02:44:13.440And so I just want to call them out for this hypocrisy that, you know, this, this people who say things like, oh, well, this is just a bunch of nonsense.
02:44:30.100This is mainstream accepted fact by, by the news media.
02:44:34.920Um, another article I think, uh, worth discussing is, is, uh, from the Washington post.
02:44:41.980The FBI is conducting, uh, over a thousand investigations of suspected white supremacists.
02:44:48.280And I believe the basic connection is that because it's a crime to associate with terrorist groups abroad, this connects with the, uh, banning, as we mentioned before of, uh, the, the Scottish, you know, the national action group.
02:45:04.900Um, if you're now associated with them or have some cross-border, uh, cooperation, you now are the subject of investigation.
02:45:14.500And the, uh, chairman of the Homeland Security, uh, committee is, is, is Ron Johnson, a Republican from Wisconsin.
02:45:21.840And I think he's the main source for this article.
02:45:25.240And that's going to be another way of banning our organizations is by, uh, any association with a foreign organization that has been considered a terror group or is, uh, banned in some way.
02:45:36.700And that, that's, that's, that's just as frightening as a fluoride in the water.
02:45:46.220And this is what they're going to go for is the guilt by implication, that kind of, um, RICO style, um, legal methods.
02:45:54.900And as you say, Father, what they're going to do is they're going to use, you know, any number of techniques where they can get our political activity to be legally terrorism, they will use.
02:46:03.240And once you're in the realm of terrorism, you're an outlaw, you don't have citizen rights, so they can indefinitely detain you as a foreign combatant, an un-uniform combatant, um, without any pretense.
02:46:14.220They can kill you, put you to death, send you to a black site.
02:46:16.740Um, and that's the thing, is if they can say, well, certain types of political speech are violent, and if they're motivated by hate or religious extremism, that's by definition terrorism, then certain types of political speech are worthy of sending you to Guantanamo Bay.
02:46:33.240Well, this is actually, uh, a method I hadn't even considered before, that it is against the law to be associated with a terror group abroad.
02:46:41.760Now, they don't give any details as to what association means.
02:46:45.180Uh, I don't know the law in that depth, but this is, these are the grounds for these thousand movement members that are now under investigation.
02:46:54.220So, association with this group in Scotland can get you, uh, brought onto the dock, and this is, this is extremely frightening.
02:47:10.360Okay. Um, any of the, any of these other articles crying out to you, Father? Or, uh, do you feel that, uh, we've gotten our...
02:47:18.880No, I think, I think, you know, and these are all connected, but no, I think we've covered that this is, uh, uh, these are the heaviest ones, uh, you have...
02:47:25.240Oh, actually, I've got a white pill I'm going to throw in here at the end here.
02:47:31.260The article was deleted, but I know basically what it said.
02:47:34.240Yeah, the child molester was found with his head chopped off and left on judge's front porch.
02:47:38.580So, the article was deleted, but the gist of the story was that, in Texas, a certain man was arrested because he was, uh, accused of molesting, uh, some guy's niece or some guy's daughters.
02:47:51.080And so he was brought in front of the judge, and the judge released him on bail.
02:47:54.960And so what they think is that the father of the, of the, the woman's molested by this guy who had chopped off his head and hands and left him in front of the judge's house.
02:48:06.840So I've got to say, bravo, congratulations to that guy.
02:48:09.720That's true, true natural law of punishment.
02:48:12.920Yeah, when the state fails us, we have an obligation to, um, fulfill the law in our own way.
02:48:20.220And as a state is concerned far more with other things, uh, like banning, you know, patriotic groups, uh, when they're letting, um, uh, people like this walk.
02:48:30.760And again, assuming that he was certain that this was a guy who did it, uh, then yes, uh, he, he did the right thing.
02:48:39.020I think, uh, another example of this, um, are guys who, who shoot the, the man that, that his wife is having an affair with.
02:48:47.480I know there was a army sergeant who did this and it's legitimate to do that because most states don't have alienation of affection laws anymore.
02:48:57.520It used to be that if, if, if your wife, um, committed adultery and that's the reason for the divorce, you can then sue him.
02:49:04.460Um, well, if you don't have that anymore and thereby sanctioning adultery, then because the state refuses to do its job, you have every right to do it.
02:49:14.800Um, I can't think of his name off the, uh, uh, I think it was Jeremiah Mealy.
02:49:18.020Yeah, I'm familiar with the gentleman you're speaking of.
02:49:20.480And I can't, can't find what many records on him.
02:49:23.720Um, there's a couple of Facebook groups saying he's a great guy.