Mysterium Fasces - Mysterium Fasces Episode 4 — Aryo-Occult Theater Mysterium 14⧸88

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00:02:59.960 Thank you for joining us, friends.

00:03:01.920 We've got Nat, the leader of the alt-right, as much as that might rustle the jimmies of some of his detractors.

00:03:11.580 Adjectives are for cowards. Thank you very much for having me on.

00:03:14.100 Yes, Nat, Adjectives are for cowards.

00:03:16.700 It's Dane Lott.

00:03:18.440 Spice, thank you for coming on.

00:03:21.840 Hello, hello.

00:03:23.240 How's on?

00:03:24.800 Mr. Jones?

00:03:25.960 Is this...

00:03:26.560 Yes, that's right.

00:03:28.880 I was told this is the new Race Wars studio.

00:03:32.920 Yes, exactly.

00:03:33.620 This is a...

00:03:34.300 Yes.

00:03:35.800 I've heard you come out as a fascist, Mr. Jones.

00:03:37.700 Yes, yes, I have.

00:03:38.300 Yes, yes, I have.

00:03:40.660 I have rebranded, since I divorced my Jewish wife, I have rebranded InfoWars as now Race Wars.

00:03:48.380 And now you can now buy Super Arian Vitality Pills and Dr. Mangala's Blue Eye Solution.

00:04:02.800 So it'll make us the Hyperborean we always want it to be.

00:04:06.280 Super Arian Rill-tality Pills, I thought the word.

00:04:10.460 Super Arian Vitality, that's correct.

00:04:14.600 It says on your website there, Rill-tality.

00:04:19.140 Look, look.

00:04:20.900 Okay, folks.

00:04:22.280 I've just...

00:04:23.160 I've got...

00:04:23.860 I want to come on the show.

00:04:25.200 I've got stacks and stacks of news.

00:04:31.240 You wanted to share your insight with us, Mr. Jones?

00:04:35.360 I've just found out that it's all Jews.

00:04:38.920 It's all Jews.

00:04:40.480 Wow.

00:04:41.720 I had no idea.

00:04:43.100 I had no idea.

00:04:44.040 I'm so glad your eyes have finally been opened.

00:04:45.900 I'm a big fan of your work.

00:04:48.380 Thank you.

00:04:49.580 Thank you.

00:04:50.040 I'm...

00:04:50.560 I...

00:04:50.800 You know, I found out...

00:04:52.900 It was the aesthetics.

00:04:53.700 I always liked the aesthetic, but I found out I really was.

00:04:56.980 But I've just got...

00:04:58.740 They're putting...

00:05:00.460 They're turning the water gay, folks.

00:05:02.920 Okay?

00:05:03.340 They're putting chemicals in the water.

00:05:06.160 They're turning...

00:05:06.900 So, Mr. Jones, aside from the fact that they're turning the water gay,

00:05:11.620 is there any last message you'd like to leave with our listeners

00:05:14.700 before you depart back to your, uh, race war lair?

00:05:18.480 Uh, I'm just gonna say, uh,

00:05:20.080 Gas the Kikes, race war now,

00:05:22.000 and you can tune into Race Wars.

00:05:24.220 We broadcast for 14 hours and 88 minutes every single day.

00:05:29.320 I'll see Kyle tonight.

00:05:32.080 Yeah, thank you for joining us, uh, Mr. Jones, a very special guest.

00:05:34.920 Wait, how did you get that guy on?

00:05:36.340 How did we get...

00:05:37.360 How did we get that guy on, um...

00:05:39.180 Well, you see, you know,

00:05:41.600 I have a very sophisticated network of connections.

00:05:45.140 Um, why is she?

00:05:45.960 Wow, I didn't know, man.

00:05:47.340 I'm impressed.

00:05:48.720 Well, I mean, Halloween is a traditional...

00:05:50.720 Is my mic on?

00:05:52.160 Am I...

00:05:53.000 Oh, yes, thank you for coming to join us, Mr. Spees.

00:05:58.240 Okay, all right.

00:06:00.140 But anyway,

00:06:01.540 shitposting aside,

00:06:03.160 this is, uh,

00:06:04.320 I guess we're getting back into the, uh,

00:06:05.640 NRO traditions of, uh,

00:06:07.120 opening shitposting.

00:06:09.100 Thank you for joining us, Spees.

00:06:10.520 Um, we just spoke to your, uh,

00:06:12.780 I think your acquaintance, Mr. Jones.

00:06:14.400 He told us some important information about the race war.

00:06:16.740 I, I...

00:06:17.460 Alex, Alex and I have...

00:06:19.320 Alex and I have known each other for many years.

00:06:22.060 He's a good friend.

00:06:23.160 He's, he's a good goy.

00:06:24.340 He's getting his life back together.

00:06:26.340 You know?

00:06:27.060 So, I'm...

00:06:28.120 I'm proud of him.

00:06:29.600 How are you gonna get the money for college

00:06:30.920 if you don't kill a nigga?

00:06:32.780 You know?

00:06:33.380 Yeah, exactly.

00:06:34.140 Exactly.

00:06:35.160 So, uh,

00:06:36.660 every one of the guests here has, um,

00:06:38.700 assembled the topic of his choice to, uh,

00:06:41.340 present to us.

00:06:42.980 So, uh,

00:06:44.180 we're gonna start out with, uh,

00:06:45.560 the first, uh, presentation by Spees,

00:06:47.520 who's here to talk to us about

00:06:48.780 conspiracies at all.

00:06:52.180 Yeah, so...

00:06:53.700 So, the

00:06:54.460 main issue with conspiracy theory,

00:06:57.140 as it's known,

00:06:58.120 um, is there's some meta-aspects to it

00:07:00.500 that kind of muddy the waters.

00:07:02.260 Um,

00:07:03.180 you have guys like Alex Jones,

00:07:05.840 who,

00:07:06.640 well, he presents some good information

00:07:08.360 from time to time,

00:07:09.740 is, um,

00:07:11.360 is not...

00:07:12.320 it's not really truthful.

00:07:14.700 Um,

00:07:15.040 and there's serious evidence

00:07:16.860 of his connections

00:07:17.740 to kind of

00:07:18.920 Israeli

00:07:19.820 outfits,

00:07:21.240 strat-for-intelligence,

00:07:22.200 this sort of thing.

00:07:23.140 Um,

00:07:23.700 and the other problem

00:07:26.740 I see with conspiracy theories,

00:07:28.380 especially

00:07:28.760 as someone on,

00:07:30.180 uh,

00:07:30.500 on the right,

00:07:31.160 obviously,

00:07:31.940 um,

00:07:32.820 is a lot of these people

00:07:34.240 are progressives,

00:07:36.100 um,

00:07:36.680 and they think that

00:07:38.240 we live in,

00:07:40.640 like,

00:07:40.960 this is like a fascist conspiracy

00:07:42.620 to take against democracy.

00:07:45.600 Um,

00:07:46.680 when

00:07:47.180 that's kind of a superficial

00:07:49.340 thesis,

00:07:50.680 you,

00:07:51.120 when you really have more,

00:07:52.480 it's actually a

00:07:53.360 Masonic,

00:07:54.140 uh,

00:07:55.000 liberal,

00:07:55.520 liberalism,

00:07:56.380 uh,

00:07:56.820 is essentially

00:07:57.900 the overarching

00:07:59.160 worldview of,

00:08:01.900 you know,

00:08:02.080 what you could call,

00:08:02.920 uh,

00:08:03.120 the Illuminati

00:08:03.820 or the Cabal

00:08:04.580 or,

00:08:05.040 you know,

00:08:05.480 Zog,

00:08:05.840 whatever,

00:08:06.280 whatever you want to call it.

00:08:09.800 Yeah,

00:08:10.480 we'll use,

00:08:11.680 uh,

00:08:11.900 Zog for brevity.

00:08:12.940 Go on.

00:08:14.040 Uh,

00:08:14.320 yeah.

00:08:15.600 Um,

00:08:16.160 so,

00:08:16.860 one second,

00:08:17.300 let me get my notes

00:08:18.260 open up here.

00:08:20.060 So,

00:08:20.660 what you have is,

00:08:22.720 you have a lot of disinformation,

00:08:24.440 people like Alex Jones,

00:08:25.880 um,

00:08:26.820 you have a lot of misinformation.

00:08:28.800 There's actually a pretty large community

00:08:30.660 of like new age type conspiracy researchers.

00:08:34.480 I know that sounds bizarre,

00:08:36.140 but it's,

00:08:36.920 it's real.

00:08:37.600 There's guys,

00:08:38.120 you have guys like,

00:08:38.960 uh,

00:08:40.060 David Wilcock

00:08:41.040 and there's another guy on YouTube

00:08:42.740 named Alfred Levermont Weber.

00:08:45.060 I think that's his name.

00:08:46.240 Um,

00:08:46.580 I haven't watched his videos in some time,

00:08:48.300 but they think that they're,

00:08:50.020 we're,

00:08:50.380 uh,

00:08:50.980 in some sort of UFO,

00:08:52.120 um,

00:08:54.420 battle or I guess

00:08:56.020 not necessarily UFO,

00:08:57.800 but alien battle,

00:08:59.300 uh,

00:08:59.900 and that cosmic,

00:09:01.140 uh,

00:09:01.420 cosmic,

00:09:02.040 yeah.

00:09:03.140 And we're going to be saved

00:09:05.220 by the aliens

00:09:07.360 and they're going to take us

00:09:08.300 into a new stage

00:09:09.320 of evolution.

00:09:10.560 Um,

00:09:11.120 and that's kind of an important,

00:09:12.440 uh,

00:09:13.500 detail there.

00:09:14.580 Um,

00:09:16.320 cause that,

00:09:16.760 that kind of shows

00:09:17.800 our entire worldview.

00:09:18.640 Um,

00:09:20.760 and then,

00:09:22.020 you know,

00:09:22.360 kind of what's,

00:09:23.600 what are the,

00:09:24.120 who are the actors?

00:09:25.460 It's secret societies

00:09:27.060 and intelligence agencies,

00:09:29.500 which have a lot of overlap.

00:09:31.280 Um,

00:09:31.920 and then there's also

00:09:34.100 the matter of

00:09:35.040 what,

00:09:36.840 uh,

00:09:37.180 F.

00:09:37.420 William Engdahl

00:09:38.040 calls,

00:09:38.880 uh,

00:09:39.040 full spectrum dominance.

00:09:40.360 You know,

00:09:40.640 every aspect of a society

00:09:42.700 is used to

00:09:43.780 control the population.

00:09:45.380 And this isn't just

00:09:46.140 in the United States.

00:09:46.980 This is also in kind of

00:09:48.380 the color revolutions

00:09:50.060 and this sort of thing

00:09:51.220 in Europe,

00:09:51.920 you know,

00:09:52.680 Ukraine,

00:09:53.260 whatever,

00:09:53.780 what have you.

00:09:55.140 Um,

00:09:55.760 and then

00:09:56.340 the other

00:09:57.680 kind of meta aspect

00:09:59.140 to it is

00:09:59.760 you have these

00:10:00.420 dialectics

00:10:01.420 that the establishment

00:10:02.260 trots out

00:10:03.120 in order to keep

00:10:04.040 both mainstream politics

00:10:06.580 and even

00:10:07.140 the,

00:10:07.880 uh,

00:10:08.660 conspiracy,

00:10:09.560 uh,

00:10:10.400 community,

00:10:10.920 I guess,

00:10:11.680 in a sort of,

00:10:12.720 um,

00:10:13.940 you know,

00:10:14.340 uh,

00:10:14.620 playpen,

00:10:15.500 um,

00:10:16.140 I know,

00:10:17.040 uh,

00:10:17.280 I know Iron March

00:10:18.280 isn't fond of the term

00:10:19.440 Overton Window,

00:10:20.500 but it's a similar concept,

00:10:23.540 I guess.

00:10:24.920 You know,

00:10:25.240 so you have,

00:10:25.740 Yeah,

00:10:25.980 well,

00:10:26.180 I mean,

00:10:26.320 a good example of this

00:10:27.140 is like Holocaust revisionism

00:10:29.240 is absolutely taboo

00:10:30.360 and mainstream conspiracy.

00:10:31.700 Oh,

00:10:31.780 yes,

00:10:32.160 absolutely,

00:10:32.900 absolutely.

00:10:33.540 Yeah,

00:10:33.720 because there's kind of a

00:10:35.340 thesis that,

00:10:37.380 uh,

00:10:39.380 that,

00:10:39.980 you know,

00:10:40.580 you have these,

00:10:41.640 oh,

00:10:42.040 it's,

00:10:42.200 it's a Nazi conspiracy

00:10:43.500 because some of the people,

00:10:45.180 and this is true,

00:10:45.900 um,

00:10:46.220 there is some truth to this

00:10:47.140 that you have people

00:10:48.140 in the American,

00:10:49.200 Anglo-American establishment

00:10:50.140 that were perfectly happy

00:10:52.040 to work with Nazis

00:10:53.000 in the Third Reich

00:10:53.700 in the 1930s.

00:10:55.000 The Bush family's a good example.

00:10:56.380 The Bush,

00:10:56.840 yeah,

00:10:57.040 Bush family.

00:10:58.320 Um,

00:10:58.800 so,

00:10:59.320 so that means that it's,

00:11:00.520 it's all,

00:11:01.000 it's all a Nazi conspiracy.

00:11:02.480 Well,

00:11:03.060 no,

00:11:03.560 um,

00:11:04.020 and because the people

00:11:05.140 that run Zog

00:11:06.480 are utilitarians

00:11:07.820 and materialists,

00:11:09.280 so,

00:11:09.660 I mean,

00:11:11.280 yes,

00:11:11.960 they have an ideology,

00:11:12.840 but it's mostly about,

00:11:14.300 okay,

00:11:14.600 well,

00:11:14.920 so they're more mercenary.

00:11:16.820 Yeah,

00:11:17.260 yeah,

00:11:17.400 exactly.

00:11:17.900 It's like,

00:11:18.820 okay,

00:11:19.420 well,

00:11:19.740 in the 30s,

00:11:20.380 we'll work with Hitler,

00:11:21.420 we'll dump money into him,

00:11:23.780 uh,

00:11:24.480 and,

00:11:25.940 okay,

00:11:26.260 well,

00:11:26.480 now it's time to reconsolidate,

00:11:28.040 well,

00:11:28.300 we have to fight a war with him now

00:11:29.680 so we can control,

00:11:31.800 um,

00:11:32.740 the world,

00:11:33.300 which is kind of the story

00:11:34.620 of the 20th century.

00:11:35.480 It's what,

00:11:36.180 what model of the continental power bloc

00:11:39.640 is going to,

00:11:40.500 uh,

00:11:41.760 run the world.

00:11:42.460 Is it going to be a,

00:11:44.160 you know,

00:11:44.460 just for,

00:11:45.620 for everybody's sake,

00:11:46.280 a fascist one?

00:11:47.280 Is it going to be international communism?

00:11:49.360 Or is it going to be liberalism?

00:11:51.320 And obviously,

00:11:51.880 it was a clash between the liberal

00:11:54.000 and the Marxist model,

00:11:56.040 um,

00:11:56.640 you know,

00:11:56.860 with the Cold War and all that.

00:12:00.620 So that's kind of just an overarching,

00:12:02.800 that's kind of the,

00:12:03.760 not necessarily a cult,

00:12:05.120 because I know other people on the panel

00:12:06.780 have more esoteric occult things,

00:12:09.760 but that's kind of the geopolitical.

00:12:12.820 Yeah.

00:12:13.180 Well,

00:12:13.440 I mean,

00:12:13.660 it's an interesting subject to bring up,

00:12:15.500 I think,

00:12:15.800 on the general,

00:12:17.020 because there seems to be kind of

00:12:18.580 very polarized views in the sort of,

00:12:21.560 to use this term,

00:12:23.020 alt-right milieu,

00:12:24.120 right?

00:12:24.900 Where you've got some people

00:12:27.000 that counter signal hard

00:12:28.620 against conspiracy theories

00:12:29.860 because they view it as like

00:12:31.020 a course in base,

00:12:33.240 essentially,

00:12:33.580 and that it's not serving of

00:12:35.160 whatever narrative

00:12:35.980 that they're trying to advance.

00:12:37.960 Um,

00:12:38.240 and I've always found this viewpoint

00:12:39.300 to be weird.

00:12:40.180 Maybe it's because,

00:12:40.920 personally,

00:12:41.340 I came through,

00:12:42.540 I got red-pilled through

00:12:43.520 Alex Jones

00:12:44.240 and that kind of segment.

00:12:45.740 And I mean,

00:12:46.520 just to bring up the,

00:12:47.420 the fucking glaring,

00:12:48.840 um,

00:12:49.320 elephant in the room,

00:12:50.180 well,

00:12:50.660 if we're against conspiracy theories,

00:12:51.960 then I guess Holocaust revisionism

00:12:53.360 is, uh,

00:12:54.600 is off the table.

00:12:55.440 I guess the Holocaust

00:12:55.960 really did happen.

00:12:56.740 Oh,

00:12:57.980 yes,

00:12:58.220 thank you for bringing that up.

00:12:59.240 That's another excellent point.

00:13:00.980 Um,

00:13:01.940 I,

00:13:02.360 yeah,

00:13:02.740 I completely forgot about that.

00:13:03.860 But,

00:13:04.460 yeah,

00:13:04.840 it's kind of funny to me.

00:13:06.580 Um,

00:13:07.960 you know,

00:13:08.300 the,

00:13:08.640 uh,

00:13:09.320 the,

00:13:09.600 Mike Enoch

00:13:10.560 from the Daily Show

00:13:11.440 was always like,

00:13:13.020 ah,

00:13:13.480 look,

00:13:14.000 with 9-11 trutherism,

00:13:15.960 or 9-11 truth,

00:13:17.300 oh,

00:13:17.600 look,

00:13:18.020 you're not,

00:13:18.600 you're not cool,

00:13:19.260 you're not doing anyone any favors.

00:13:21.740 And,

00:13:22.280 um,

00:13:23.080 well,

00:13:23.320 I understand the logic.

00:13:24.340 It's like,

00:13:25.400 um,

00:13:26.980 okay,

00:13:27.460 so you believe,

00:13:28.460 so you're telling me

00:13:29.460 that you believe the Holocaust

00:13:30.520 to be a,

00:13:31.740 a mass scale

00:13:33.480 psyop,

00:13:34.420 essentially,

00:13:35.160 in order to gaslight people

00:13:36.520 to believe in this narrative.

00:13:38.100 Yet,

00:13:38.780 for some reason,

00:13:40.220 you're,

00:13:40.940 9-11,

00:13:42.320 the establishment's going to tell you

00:13:43.840 the truth about 9-11.

00:13:45.180 There's other things like that,

00:13:46.680 you know,

00:13:46.960 um,

00:13:48.600 uh,

00:13:49.360 it's probably gonna

00:13:50.200 rustle some people's jimmies

00:13:51.800 in the audience,

00:13:52.500 but,

00:13:52.740 I mean,

00:13:52.920 even Darwinism and evolution,

00:13:54.340 it's like,

00:13:54.960 okay,

00:13:55.700 you know,

00:13:56.900 you are telling me

00:13:58.480 that the establishment's

00:14:00.220 going to give you the truth

00:14:01.140 on this,

00:14:01.860 but,

00:14:02.100 oh,

00:14:02.260 but,

00:14:02.440 but that's a lie.

00:14:03.860 I mean,

00:14:04.040 that's another thing

00:14:04.980 I'd like to discuss

00:14:05.920 a little bit

00:14:06.400 is kind of science

00:14:07.580 as we get into this,

00:14:08.940 but,

00:14:09.980 yeah,

00:14:10.320 I think it's kind of

00:14:11.340 illustrative

00:14:11.860 that the alt-right

00:14:12.980 doesn't see a,

00:14:14.140 doesn't really get

00:14:14.920 a big picture

00:14:15.740 because they

00:14:16.540 kind of

00:14:17.520 reject these sorts of,

00:14:19.980 this kind of information

00:14:21.300 out of hand,

00:14:21.960 like,

00:14:23.080 you're just,

00:14:23.640 I just think,

00:14:24.560 conspirator,

00:14:25.360 you're bringing down

00:14:25.940 the movement,

00:14:26.720 you know,

00:14:27.280 you're not gonna,

00:14:28.080 you know,

00:14:28.400 you're not gonna win

00:14:28.960 any points with anyone,

00:14:30.360 which is absolutely absurd.

00:14:32.220 I don't see,

00:14:33.660 if you're,

00:14:34.220 if you're dedicated

00:14:35.380 to the truth,

00:14:35.940 I don't see why you should

00:14:37.020 reject any of this

00:14:38.620 sort of thing

00:14:39.000 out of hand.

00:14:40.240 Well,

00:14:40.480 I think that's the central point

00:14:41.420 and it's interesting

00:14:42.120 because,

00:14:43.140 as I was saying,

00:14:44.060 the way I came into it

00:14:45.040 is because as a young child

00:14:46.020 I was exposed to this material,

00:14:47.540 so I was already conditioned

00:14:48.660 to evaluate controversial topics

00:14:50.760 on their merit

00:14:51.480 and I think that that's

00:14:53.020 the critical faculty

00:14:54.880 that any sane person

00:14:56.400 has to possess

00:14:57.120 is that any man

00:14:58.420 can set aside his emotions

00:14:59.440 and examine a case

00:15:00.560 just based on its facts,

00:15:02.300 regardless of what

00:15:03.340 the stigma around it is.

00:15:04.440 And so we've gotten,

00:15:06.000 so, you know,

00:15:06.600 you get to the point

00:15:07.260 where, oh, well,

00:15:07.840 national socials

00:15:09.120 are a perfectly fine doctor,

00:15:10.300 oh, I'd be a Nazi,

00:15:11.600 break the stigma on that,

00:15:12.460 but you won't examine

00:15:14.940 alternative proposals

00:15:16.280 as to,

00:15:17.080 vis-a-vis

00:15:17.980 the mainstream narrative,

00:15:19.260 you know?

00:15:20.940 Yeah, you want people

00:15:21.920 who are naturally curious

00:15:23.020 as well.

00:15:23.860 The whole thing

00:15:24.280 with conspiracy theories,

00:15:25.720 to get there,

00:15:26.660 you have to have

00:15:27.320 this innate sense

00:15:28.480 of, you know,

00:15:29.680 wanting to know more

00:15:31.680 and a lot of people

00:15:33.180 get here

00:15:33.600 by conspiracy theories,

00:15:34.740 so why would you

00:15:35.520 reject theories like that?

00:15:36.980 I've tried.

00:15:39.060 Spice,

00:15:39.540 what's your thoughts

00:15:40.240 on Sandy Hook?

00:15:42.560 Because I know

00:15:43.000 that's, like,

00:15:43.440 pretty big

00:15:43.920 with conspiracy theorists.

00:15:46.180 Yes, yes,

00:15:47.300 that's kind of

00:15:48.420 illustrative of,

00:15:49.560 you know,

00:15:50.280 false flags

00:15:51.140 and state-sponsored

00:15:52.660 terror in general.

00:15:53.420 Not to harp on

00:15:54.420 the Daily Show

00:15:54.960 too much,

00:15:55.420 but I remember, like,

00:15:56.880 Enoch once made, like,

00:15:58.120 oh, you believe

00:15:58.700 in state terrorism?

00:15:59.920 Ha ha ha.

00:16:00.440 And it's like,

00:16:01.040 well, there's a

00:16:02.340 significant body

00:16:03.060 of evidence for this,

00:16:04.020 but anyway.

00:16:06.360 Yeah, I mean,

00:16:07.200 there's,

00:16:07.660 I haven't looked

00:16:09.580 into it too in-depth,

00:16:10.500 it's been a while,

00:16:11.420 but there's definitely,

00:16:12.480 I definitely believe

00:16:13.560 that there's a lot

00:16:14.180 of merit to the thesis

00:16:15.060 that it's basically

00:16:16.620 a manufactured incident,

00:16:18.200 because this isn't new.

00:16:20.480 If anyone's familiar

00:16:21.440 with, like,

00:16:21.940 Operation Gladio

00:16:23.020 and that sort of thing,

00:16:24.100 which was using

00:16:24.880 former Italian fascists,

00:16:26.980 coincidentally,

00:16:27.840 to stage terrorism

00:16:30.060 terrorism

00:16:30.620 and then blame it

00:16:31.520 on communists?

00:16:33.140 Hmm.

00:16:35.220 So,

00:16:35.700 that was in

00:16:37.140 West Germany,

00:16:37.780 right?

00:16:39.260 That was in Italy,

00:16:40.420 I think.

00:16:42.760 Yeah,

00:16:43.080 it was in Italy,

00:16:44.100 and,

00:16:44.280 Doc,

00:16:45.380 you're probably thinking

00:16:46.020 of the

00:16:46.360 Bader-Meinhof group,

00:16:48.080 which,

00:16:48.640 it's been a while

00:16:49.340 since I've looked at it,

00:16:50.220 but I think

00:16:50.820 their leadership

00:16:52.200 had kind of a weird

00:16:53.100 thing where

00:16:54.860 the guy that was running it

00:16:56.020 went from, like,

00:16:56.820 radical left

00:16:57.560 to radical right

00:16:58.500 in a kind of

00:16:59.180 brief span of time,

00:17:00.220 which usually suggests

00:17:01.500 some sort of,

00:17:02.400 you know,

00:17:03.580 intelligence connection,

00:17:05.360 that sort of thing.

00:17:06.940 Did you ever

00:17:07.520 see the conspiracy theory

00:17:08.980 with, you know,

00:17:09.600 the Brabant murders?

00:17:11.540 No,

00:17:12.000 I'm not familiar with that.

00:17:13.200 So,

00:17:13.440 they were, like,

00:17:13.820 a series of, like,

00:17:15.800 robberies

00:17:16.980 and then murders.

00:17:18.620 Usually,

00:17:19.140 the robberies

00:17:19.560 were almost like

00:17:20.120 a cover for it

00:17:20.840 or to keep

00:17:21.300 the operation going.

00:17:23.260 Like,

00:17:23.720 they'd rob a textile mill

00:17:24.920 to steal,

00:17:26.180 bulletproof vests

00:17:26.920 or robs,

00:17:27.320 like,

00:17:27.520 a weapons manufacturer

00:17:28.600 to steal,

00:17:29.520 like,

00:17:30.000 a large cache

00:17:30.880 of, you know,

00:17:31.520 military-grade weapons.

00:17:33.380 And, uh,

00:17:34.440 all in all,

00:17:34.820 they kill, like,

00:17:35.340 28 people,

00:17:36.280 and so they get away

00:17:37.920 with it.

00:17:38.160 They still don't know

00:17:38.800 who these guys are.

00:17:39.560 They have no pictures

00:17:40.540 of them or anything.

00:17:43.240 And, uh,

00:17:44.660 the conspiracy theory

00:17:45.920 behind that is

00:17:46.680 they were taking out

00:17:47.500 a pedophile ring

00:17:48.540 in Belgium.

00:17:51.020 Pretty interesting.

00:17:52.040 That is interesting.

00:17:52.880 Interesting.

00:17:54.580 Yeah,

00:17:55.040 and kind of, uh,

00:17:55.820 related,

00:17:56.600 you know,

00:17:56.940 whenever you see

00:17:57.660 these terrorist

00:17:58.340 incidents in Europe,

00:17:59.340 um,

00:18:00.920 like,

00:18:01.500 and it's in,

00:18:01.940 like,

00:18:02.280 um,

00:18:03.440 Brussels,

00:18:04.060 where it's,

00:18:04.760 like,

00:18:04.860 the capital of NATO,

00:18:06.320 um,

00:18:07.180 I would be skeptical

00:18:08.760 of it.

00:18:09.140 And this isn't to say

00:18:10.440 that, like,

00:18:11.900 you know,

00:18:12.460 Muslims are wonderful

00:18:13.640 and they didn't do nothing.

00:18:15.820 I'm not saying that.

00:18:16.900 But what I am saying is,

00:18:18.120 with any of these

00:18:19.100 large-scale,

00:18:19.960 um,

00:18:21.600 terror incidents,

00:18:22.780 it's,

00:18:23.400 you always need

00:18:24.060 to be skeptical

00:18:24.560 because there's

00:18:25.540 a good chance

00:18:26.440 it's some sort

00:18:28.320 of, um,

00:18:29.840 COINTELPRO

00:18:30.600 that they allow

00:18:31.380 to go live

00:18:32.260 or it's, uh,

00:18:34.100 totally manufactured.

00:18:34.980 Um,

00:18:36.600 so,

00:18:36.980 because, uh,

00:18:38.080 Florian,

00:18:39.200 you were asked.

00:18:39.440 What would you say?

00:18:40.100 Sorry, go on in space.

00:18:41.680 Because, Florian,

00:18:42.480 you know,

00:18:42.700 we were talking

00:18:43.340 the other day

00:18:43.820 about,

00:18:44.160 you said,

00:18:44.440 well,

00:18:44.620 which,

00:18:45.400 you know,

00:18:45.700 incident in the past

00:18:46.620 12 months

00:18:47.320 is,

00:18:47.820 is real.

00:18:48.940 Um,

00:18:49.260 and I think

00:18:49.800 that's very hard

00:18:50.660 to determine

00:18:51.320 in a lot of cases.

00:18:52.980 Um,

00:18:53.960 because in a lot

00:18:54.980 of cases,

00:18:55.340 these guys

00:18:55.940 that are used

00:18:56.880 as patsies

00:18:57.540 or what have you

00:18:58.220 are actually,

00:18:59.320 like,

00:19:00.020 jihadis,

00:19:00.700 you know,

00:19:01.060 and they're

00:19:01.580 kind of let loose.

00:19:04.080 Right,

00:19:04.520 and so I guess

00:19:04.920 the question is,

00:19:05.560 like,

00:19:05.680 what would you say

00:19:06.180 the detractors were

00:19:06.960 that are,

00:19:07.600 you know,

00:19:07.820 going to posit,

00:19:08.680 well,

00:19:09.060 it doesn't need

00:19:09.580 to be a conspiracy

00:19:10.220 because Muslims

00:19:11.080 are going to blow

00:19:11.520 shit up anyway.

00:19:13.820 Yeah,

00:19:14.240 that's it too.

00:19:15.120 I mean,

00:19:15.480 generally,

00:19:15.940 I take the view

00:19:17.240 that,

00:19:17.880 um,

00:19:18.440 like,

00:19:19.200 when you have

00:19:20.100 the smaller incidents

00:19:21.100 that don't get

00:19:21.760 as much media coverage,

00:19:23.020 that's probably real.

00:19:24.480 Um,

00:19:25.560 but when you have

00:19:26.480 the kind of

00:19:27.200 incident where

00:19:28.520 immediately there's

00:19:29.540 this 20,

00:19:30.560 you know,

00:19:30.780 hours later

00:19:31.520 there's this rollout,

00:19:32.880 you know,

00:19:33.140 the news companies

00:19:34.100 have,

00:19:34.520 like,

00:19:34.600 their graphics

00:19:35.240 and stuff

00:19:35.880 all ready to go

00:19:36.820 and it's like,

00:19:38.720 and it's a media circus

00:19:39.760 for a few hours

00:19:40.580 because notice too,

00:19:41.900 um,

00:19:42.220 how a lot of these

00:19:42.920 incidents happen

00:19:43.660 whenever there's some,

00:19:44.660 like,

00:19:45.780 WikiLeaks dump

00:19:47.640 or,

00:19:48.460 you know,

00:19:48.740 something else

00:19:49.420 to kind of

00:19:50.220 keep the news cycle

00:19:51.440 focused on something else

00:19:52.640 for a little while.

00:19:53.500 I mean,

00:19:53.720 that's not,

00:19:54.400 it's such a coincidence,

00:19:55.460 you know,

00:19:55.840 just,

00:19:58.060 uh,

00:19:58.160 just a coincidence,

00:19:58.920 right,

00:19:59.220 you know,

00:19:59.680 so.

00:20:00.780 Yeah,

00:20:02.720 well,

00:20:02.980 and I know

00:20:03.300 that they're,

00:20:04.520 like,

00:20:05.320 there's credible evidence

00:20:06.160 suggesting that

00:20:06.880 the FBI

00:20:08.120 and other guys,

00:20:09.280 they run kind of

00:20:10.120 entrapment rings

00:20:10.980 where they try to get,

00:20:12.700 you know,

00:20:13.880 Muslims or whoever

00:20:15.120 to commit

00:20:15.760 terroristic activities

00:20:16.640 or conspire to commit

00:20:17.500 terroristic activities

00:20:18.340 because then they can

00:20:18.920 charge them.

00:20:20.060 And so one of the

00:20:20.560 common theories is that,

00:20:21.460 well,

00:20:21.840 they engage in these

00:20:22.560 same practices,

00:20:23.400 but they,

00:20:23.860 and they facilitate

00:20:24.460 the terrorist activities,

00:20:25.560 but they just don't

00:20:26.140 stop them,

00:20:26.880 basically.

00:20:27.200 Yes,

00:20:28.040 precisely.

00:20:28.820 Yeah.

00:20:29.140 Um,

00:20:29.460 there's a,

00:20:30.520 I'm trying to remember,

00:20:31.380 um,

00:20:31.620 one of the conspiracy

00:20:32.320 guys,

00:20:32.760 I,

00:20:32.960 I really enjoy his work,

00:20:34.400 Jay Dyer.

00:20:35.080 He has a,

00:20:36.100 um,

00:20:36.840 article where he talks

00:20:38.040 about this document.

00:20:38.860 I can't remember the name.

00:20:39.760 I should have,

00:20:40.220 I should have looked it up,

00:20:41.100 but he,

00:20:42.280 um,

00:20:42.700 he,

00:20:42.900 he basically wrote,

00:20:44.320 did a article about this

00:20:45.480 documentary that explains

00:20:47.240 all that.

00:20:47.980 Um,

00:20:48.660 I,

00:20:48.960 you know,

00:20:49.340 I encourage people to go

00:20:50.260 to his site and check it

00:20:51.440 out and his other stuff in

00:20:52.620 general.

00:20:52.900 But,

00:20:53.280 um,

00:20:54.540 yeah,

00:20:54.940 that's,

00:20:55.300 that's pretty much what

00:20:56.040 happens.

00:20:56.460 And I,

00:20:57.180 I don't,

00:20:58.380 I don't understand why this,

00:21:00.260 this is so hard for some

00:21:01.680 people.

00:21:01.920 Well,

00:21:02.360 I mean,

00:21:02.620 I do,

00:21:03.200 but I don't why it's so

00:21:04.460 hard for some people in

00:21:05.460 kind of,

00:21:05.820 uh,

00:21:06.020 the alt right to understand

00:21:08.700 this or like just to,

00:21:10.100 to examine it.

00:21:11.520 Um,

00:21:12.620 why,

00:21:13.500 why is this so beyond the

00:21:15.120 pale?

00:21:15.460 And I mean,

00:21:15.980 I think part of it too is

00:21:17.080 kind of a,

00:21:18.060 oh,

00:21:18.620 we'll see,

00:21:19.040 we're radical,

00:21:19.580 but we're not like conspiracy

00:21:21.100 theorists.

00:21:22.200 That's actually what I think

00:21:23.260 it's a big thing.

00:21:23.940 And I've noticed this a lot

00:21:24.980 is that they're among the

00:21:27.680 camp,

00:21:28.000 especially the materialist

00:21:29.160 members of the alt right.

00:21:30.220 They're basically like,

00:21:31.440 they want to return to a

00:21:32.700 bourgeois 1950s lifestyle.

00:21:34.460 And so they want that white

00:21:35.900 bread being in the

00:21:37.060 establishment,

00:21:38.200 you know,

00:21:38.460 everything is comfortable.

00:21:40.080 You know,

00:21:40.320 you don't have to think

00:21:41.100 outside of the box type of

00:21:42.380 life where everything is

00:21:43.340 more or less congruent and

00:21:44.880 there's not really any big

00:21:46.260 issues and you can live that

00:21:47.280 capitalist lifestyle.

00:21:48.860 And so part of that is that,

00:21:50.100 well,

00:21:51.500 you know,

00:21:51.720 there are,

00:21:52.100 there's kind of,

00:21:52.780 um,

00:21:53.520 built in prejudices against

00:21:55.060 what,

00:21:55.480 what they would view to be.

00:21:57.520 Yeah.

00:21:57.960 Like you say,

00:21:58.480 beyond the pale,

00:21:59.740 you know,

00:22:00.760 that,

00:22:01.220 you know,

00:22:01.600 it's not respectable to be

00:22:02.980 seen as a conspiracy theorist

00:22:05.200 because there's a manufactured

00:22:06.180 image in people's minds of the

00:22:07.540 tinfoil hat man.

00:22:08.380 Well,

00:22:09.440 and then it gets to the

00:22:11.020 root that if you start

00:22:12.800 admitting to the idea of

00:22:13.960 conspiracy theory,

00:22:15.200 the biggest conspiracy of all

00:22:17.820 is modernity,

00:22:20.360 is the enlightenment,

00:22:21.380 is the United States.

00:22:24.160 I really think that something

00:22:25.680 that likewise needs to be

00:22:26.880 addressed when it comes to

00:22:28.120 these people who,

00:22:28.940 who seem so obsessed with the

00:22:31.120 respect to respectability

00:22:32.620 aspect of this is the fact

00:22:33.740 that,

00:22:34.040 um,

00:22:35.100 they're trying to appease,

00:22:36.600 um,

00:22:37.440 the lowest common denominator

00:22:38.640 when,

00:22:39.240 when they make these,

00:22:40.100 uh,

00:22:40.720 grand,

00:22:41.320 what can you call it,

00:22:42.300 um,

00:22:43.600 shutdowns on,

00:22:44.640 you know,

00:22:45.480 addressing,

00:22:46.360 you know,

00:22:47.000 legit,

00:22:47.560 you know,

00:22:48.040 conspiracies.

00:22:49.140 Uh,

00:22:49.940 and I really think it's a

00:22:51.160 big problem when it comes to

00:22:52.580 the materialistic aspects of,

00:22:54.040 of the,

00:22:54.440 of the right wing that they,

00:22:56.340 they want to appease these,

00:22:57.960 um,

00:22:58.580 these drone-like conditions.

00:23:01.840 Yeah,

00:23:02.360 I know what you mean.

00:23:03.000 And I think that this is just

00:23:04.040 a larger issue on the alt-right

00:23:06.780 in general,

00:23:07.320 where the,

00:23:08.480 the cultural conditioning

00:23:10.460 after World War II

00:23:11.560 has been so intense.

00:23:14.580 There's been such a huge set

00:23:17.440 of subconscious kind of biases

00:23:19.260 and bigotry set up against

00:23:21.040 Nazism,

00:23:22.300 against conspiracy theory,

00:23:23.420 against things that break out

00:23:24.680 of the mainstream narrative

00:23:25.800 in a substantial way.

00:23:27.820 And so,

00:23:28.240 like,

00:23:29.400 these guys that-

00:23:30.400 Yeah, yeah, can I quickly

00:23:30.540 interject?

00:23:31.160 Oh, sure, please.

00:23:31.820 Um, the thing is,

00:23:33.240 is that most people

00:23:34.100 already believe in some sort

00:23:35.680 of conspiracy theory,

00:23:36.700 even if they don't realize,

00:23:38.200 um,

00:23:38.500 for instance,

00:23:39.200 the mainstream narrative

00:23:40.140 of the Holocaust

00:23:40.820 is in itself already

00:23:42.280 a conspiracy theorist

00:23:43.440 because there was never

00:23:44.360 a direct order

00:23:45.660 to execute all these things.

00:23:47.340 And, uh,

00:23:47.860 the theory behind it

00:23:48.860 is that it was carried out

00:23:50.420 like a sort of whisper game

00:23:52.120 through, uh,

00:23:53.240 high-ranking generals.

00:23:54.360 So even if people already

00:23:55.420 believe in the Holocaust

00:23:56.680 or what the mainstream narrative is,

00:23:58.020 they already believe

00:23:59.080 in a conspiracy theory.

00:24:01.200 Well, sure.

00:24:01.700 And, and I wanted to say

00:24:02.600 that, like,

00:24:02.900 these people that,

00:24:03.940 um,

00:24:04.860 that they're,

00:24:05.360 they're so bolted

00:24:07.960 into this conditioning

00:24:08.640 that even when they break

00:24:09.620 out of the political sphere,

00:24:11.440 they're still,

00:24:11.900 they still,

00:24:12.780 um,

00:24:14.440 they still go with the narrative

00:24:15.480 in other spheres

00:24:16.060 of their lives,

00:24:16.840 you know,

00:24:17.140 spiritual,

00:24:18.040 scientific,

00:24:18.680 et cetera.

00:24:19.880 And so these are the same guys

00:24:21.320 that, like,

00:24:21.960 say, oh, well,

00:24:22.680 national action,

00:24:23.420 they're fags

00:24:23.920 because of their aesthetic,

00:24:25.940 right?

00:24:27.400 Well,

00:24:27.560 because they're not respectable.

00:24:30.320 There's that,

00:24:31.160 and there's also,

00:24:32.000 there are instincts

00:24:33.780 that would be healthy

00:24:35.540 in a organic society,

00:24:37.440 um,

00:24:38.960 like, uh,

00:24:40.020 like, like,

00:24:40.440 like piety

00:24:41.400 to our ancestors

00:24:42.540 and to our,

00:24:43.380 our,

00:24:43.660 our cult of state,

00:24:45.920 right?

00:24:47.200 Uh,

00:24:47.860 it,

00:24:48.380 especially for Americans,

00:24:49.660 we,

00:24:49.900 we practically worship

00:24:50.860 the Constitution

00:24:51.600 and the Founding Fathers

00:24:52.480 and in a healthy society

00:24:54.200 that would be,

00:24:55.580 that would,

00:24:56.480 that wouldn't be wrong

00:24:58.160 to give piety

00:25:00.060 to your ancestors

00:25:01.320 who sacrificed

00:25:02.020 and came before you.

00:25:03.260 But when

00:25:04.220 they are who they are,

00:25:06.640 there's,

00:25:06.980 there are issues.

00:25:08.340 Yeah,

00:25:08.440 that's the thing.

00:25:09.100 And one of the issues

00:25:10.280 with these sort of libertarian,

00:25:11.620 um,

00:25:12.140 right-wingers

00:25:12.740 is that

00:25:13.160 they buy into

00:25:14.740 the overall narrative

00:25:15.820 of the United States

00:25:16.840 as a political system.

00:25:18.220 And so for them,

00:25:19.400 it's not

00:25:20.280 so much the U.S.

00:25:22.120 it's,

00:25:22.440 uh,

00:25:23.340 qua the U.S.,

00:25:24.460 but it's the fact

00:25:25.220 that it's degenerated

00:25:26.140 so far.

00:25:28.360 And I think that it's,

00:25:29.880 this kind of gets

00:25:30.580 to the root

00:25:31.640 of this issue

00:25:32.220 where it's like,

00:25:32.940 well,

00:25:33.380 if you,

00:25:34.160 if you question

00:25:35.600 all of these narratives

00:25:36.620 about why the political system is

00:25:38.100 and you're fed up

00:25:39.160 with the degeneracy

00:25:40.020 that you see around you

00:25:41.040 and you ask,

00:25:42.140 well,

00:25:42.240 why is this the way it is?

00:25:43.740 Well,

00:25:44.100 it's not just the Jews.

00:25:46.000 Uh,

00:25:46.480 I think we need

00:25:47.260 to address something here.

00:25:48.460 I think that the reason

00:25:49.460 why they're trying

00:25:50.300 to avoid,

00:25:51.100 why they're trying

00:25:51.920 to avoid,

00:25:52.420 like,

00:25:52.560 these,

00:25:52.780 these,

00:25:53.080 um,

00:25:54.200 these,

00:25:54.480 these notions

00:25:54.920 that we have brought forth

00:25:56.040 is because I still believe

00:25:57.460 that they,

00:25:58.120 in some way,

00:25:58.800 still believe in parliamentarism,

00:26:00.400 that they still believe

00:26:01.320 that if we can just

00:26:02.460 organize ourselves enough,

00:26:04.000 we can create a party

00:26:05.240 and we can be able

00:26:06.260 to be,

00:26:06.700 you know,

00:26:07.000 voted in

00:26:07.800 and we can change

00:26:08.560 these things

00:26:08.940 from the inside

00:26:09.860 rather than,

00:26:11.100 you know,

00:26:11.360 just coming to the realization,

00:26:13.200 well,

00:26:13.480 maybe it's time

00:26:14.400 we put on the gloves

00:26:15.360 and we start using,

00:26:16.440 using the sledgehammer

00:26:17.600 and we start deconstructing,

00:26:19.220 uh,

00:26:19.780 this,

00:26:20.080 this,

00:26:20.380 uh,

00:26:20.540 the system we live in

00:26:21.660 and,

00:26:22.500 um,

00:26:23.200 I guess that's really

00:26:24.260 what it all boils down to

00:26:25.300 to be honest.

00:26:27.800 Hey guys,

00:26:28.560 we're just trying

00:26:29.080 to be like Hitler here.

00:26:30.280 He had a political party

00:26:31.300 and he,

00:26:31.800 uh,

00:26:31.920 made speeches

00:26:32.640 and that's it.

00:26:33.940 He totally didn't have

00:26:34.940 a paramilitary group

00:26:36.900 that was 25 times larger

00:26:38.580 than the actual German military

00:26:40.540 that got him into power.

00:26:42.120 Ha ha.

00:26:42.780 Ha ha.

00:26:43.480 Also,

00:26:43.920 forget this thing

00:26:44.620 ever happens.

00:26:46.780 Well,

00:26:47.400 I mean,

00:26:47.720 the other issue too

00:26:48.560 is not to,

00:26:49.440 you know,

00:26:49.980 belabor this point,

00:26:51.180 but most of these,

00:26:52.940 uh,

00:26:53.400 you know,

00:26:53.700 most of the so-called right

00:26:55.560 and I would even include

00:26:56.980 much of the alt-right

00:26:58.300 is essentially the,

00:27:00.680 there's still,

00:27:01.740 um,

00:27:02.460 the,

00:27:03.340 there's still essentially

00:27:04.420 Girondins,

00:27:05.420 you know,

00:27:05.920 the French Revolution,

00:27:06.760 we've all heard

00:27:07.220 the Jacobins

00:27:08.120 who were,

00:27:08.580 you know,

00:27:08.780 essentially the communists.

00:27:10.720 Um,

00:27:11.080 but then you have

00:27:11.580 the Girondins who,

00:27:12.580 they still want to get rid

00:27:13.940 of the monarchy,

00:27:14.500 but they just want to keep

00:27:15.500 their private property

00:27:16.420 essentially.

00:27:16.900 so that's kind of been

00:27:18.860 the dialectic

00:27:20.120 of the,

00:27:21.060 you know,

00:27:21.860 the,

00:27:22.140 the modern,

00:27:23.020 since,

00:27:23.500 you know,

00:27:23.660 the French Revolution,

00:27:24.620 right and left

00:27:25.820 in quotation marks

00:27:26.840 is this Girondin,

00:27:28.240 Jacobin,

00:27:28.860 right,

00:27:29.340 axis.

00:27:29.660 Yeah,

00:27:30.780 I think,

00:27:31.660 honestly,

00:27:32.240 if you believe in

00:27:32.980 capitalism still,

00:27:34.120 you're probably on the left.

00:27:35.740 You know,

00:27:36.060 it's an inherently

00:27:37.100 liberal idea.

00:27:39.220 That deserves its own

00:27:40.580 period of investigation

00:27:41.660 because capitalism

00:27:42.800 comes out of these,

00:27:45.520 these very Jewish schools.

00:27:48.000 Yeah.

00:27:48.160 You look at,

00:27:48.560 start looking at the

00:27:49.180 Manchester School

00:27:50.020 in England,

00:27:50.620 yeah.

00:27:51.220 Well,

00:27:51.460 I mean,

00:27:51.660 the Manchester School

00:27:52.360 was literally a byword

00:27:53.580 for Jewry.

00:27:54.120 like,

00:27:56.460 you know,

00:27:57.160 there are places

00:27:57.560 where you see,

00:27:58.240 oh,

00:27:58.720 he's from Manchester,

00:28:00.120 well,

00:28:00.260 he's a Jew.

00:28:01.880 And so I think

00:28:02.580 that capitalism,

00:28:03.380 of course,

00:28:03.600 deserves its own episode

00:28:04.500 and it's very likely

00:28:05.540 we will cover this

00:28:06.280 in the coming

00:28:07.760 weeks and months.

00:28:09.460 Eventually,

00:28:10.040 like,

00:28:10.440 essentially,

00:28:11.340 capitalism is,

00:28:12.720 like,

00:28:13.060 culturally,

00:28:13.960 culturally,

00:28:14.620 if we are talking,

00:28:15.280 like,

00:28:15.640 we have to understand,

00:28:16.320 like,

00:28:16.800 capitalism versus socialism,

00:28:18.120 right?

00:28:18.660 If we had to,

00:28:19.200 like,

00:28:19.300 put it up very simply,

00:28:20.660 you know,

00:28:20.860 simplistic like that.

00:28:22.740 I guess,

00:28:23.660 of course,

00:28:24.120 we can always say

00:28:25.200 that,

00:28:25.500 yeah,

00:28:26.080 economically,

00:28:28.380 capitalism is,

00:28:29.940 of course,

00:28:30.440 superior in every way

00:28:32.300 imaginable compared

00:28:33.480 to socialism.

00:28:34.900 And that is only

00:28:35.740 a means of

00:28:36.760 producing material

00:28:38.180 and spreading material.

00:28:40.500 However,

00:28:41.420 when it comes to

00:28:42.420 cultural,

00:28:43.500 cultural-wise,

00:28:45.400 well,

00:28:45.740 let's just say

00:28:46.360 that capitalism

00:28:47.600 is on the level

00:28:48.600 of a five-year-old child

00:28:50.020 and,

00:28:50.760 well,

00:28:51.160 let's just say

00:28:51.820 socialism is the bully,

00:28:53.660 right?

00:28:54.360 So,

00:28:55.120 if we are to have

00:28:56.220 a society

00:28:56.800 where capitalism

00:28:57.520 is predominant,

00:28:58.740 right,

00:28:58.900 if we say

00:28:59.420 we have a 100%

00:29:01.000 capitalistic society,

00:29:03.020 it will always,

00:29:04.480 in the end,

00:29:05.060 always get dominated

00:29:06.520 by

00:29:07.660 socialists.

00:29:10.620 That's the way it is.

00:29:11.480 The cultural war

00:29:12.420 will always,

00:29:13.260 if you have a socialist society,

00:29:14.720 always be won,

00:29:15.480 a capitalist society,

00:29:16.680 always be won

00:29:17.380 by the socialists.

00:29:19.060 So,

00:29:20.220 this is also why

00:29:21.180 we've seen

00:29:21.640 in certain incidents

00:29:22.480 in,

00:29:22.780 I think it was,

00:29:24.760 in South America,

00:29:26.060 in Chile,

00:29:27.160 where Pinochet

00:29:28.120 was used as a,

00:29:29.240 as a means

00:29:30.700 to prevent,

00:29:32.220 you know,

00:29:33.800 prevent socialism

00:29:34.560 from spreading.

00:29:36.360 But,

00:29:36.820 again,

00:29:37.480 it all boils down

00:29:38.820 to the fact

00:29:39.280 that they

00:29:39.720 don't really understand

00:29:41.160 how to

00:29:41.800 maintain

00:29:43.080 a society

00:29:43.960 that is healthy.

00:29:44.640 and this is something

00:29:45.460 I've been seeing a lot,

00:29:46.400 it's like a lot of these people

00:29:47.320 who still,

00:29:48.140 in some ways,

00:29:49.700 value liberty

00:29:50.740 and freedom

00:29:51.360 and their toast,

00:29:52.980 toaster,

00:29:53.760 higher than anything else.

00:29:57.100 Nat,

00:29:57.640 Nat,

00:29:57.940 you just want to take

00:29:58.660 my freedoms.

00:29:59.800 You Nazis,

00:30:01.220 you just want to take

00:30:02.060 my freedoms.

00:30:03.240 You want to,

00:30:03.540 you want to tax

00:30:04.200 10% of my income.

00:30:06.380 I mean,

00:30:06.820 the thing is,

00:30:07.500 I often ask myself this.

00:30:09.760 Whenever I see

00:30:10.440 libertarians talk

00:30:11.520 about freedom

00:30:12.280 and how much

00:30:13.580 they value it,

00:30:14.240 and I look at

00:30:15.160 how I'm primarily talking,

00:30:17.320 I'm not pointing at any,

00:30:18.460 I'm not saying any names here,

00:30:20.180 but whenever I notice

00:30:21.360 libertarians who talk,

00:30:22.720 right,

00:30:22.900 anyone who's like

00:30:23.800 propagating for libertarianism,

00:30:25.660 I always see that

00:30:27.200 the way they use

00:30:28.160 their freedom

00:30:28.740 and how they utilize it

00:30:30.420 in general

00:30:30.880 is in very

00:30:31.740 self-destructive ways.

00:30:33.940 And I think to myself,

00:30:35.020 well,

00:30:35.600 you are now

00:30:36.900 34 years old

00:30:38.340 and you have done

00:30:39.080 nothing but mistakes

00:30:40.100 in your entire life.

00:30:41.520 I'm very sorry

00:30:42.400 to say this, friend,

00:30:43.320 but it really looks like

00:30:44.660 you're not mature enough

00:30:45.700 to have freedom.

00:30:48.240 I really do not believe

00:30:49.620 that a lot of people

00:30:50.320 should have the right

00:30:51.220 of free choice

00:30:52.240 in their existence,

00:30:53.260 especially women.

00:30:55.040 Despite all of the

00:30:56.520 sort of

00:30:57.820 accretions of verbiage

00:31:02.040 and gilding the lily,

00:31:03.920 in the end,

00:31:04.700 libertarianism is,

00:31:06.280 you know,

00:31:06.960 worshipping your own

00:31:07.960 bunghole.

00:31:09.040 I mean,

00:31:09.620 it's just,

00:31:11.240 there's nothing to it.

00:31:12.000 I mean,

00:31:12.240 there's a major

00:31:13.200 fallacy in their idea

00:31:14.440 because eventually,

00:31:16.120 it all boils down to...

00:31:17.800 Are you telling me

00:31:18.340 libertarianism is a spook?

00:31:21.600 What it all,

00:31:22.540 what it really all

00:31:23.860 boils down to

00:31:24.680 with libertarianism,

00:31:26.140 the biggest fallacy

00:31:27.140 in the libertarian idea

00:31:28.700 is the fact that

00:31:29.820 you have to put forth

00:31:31.080 a very simple question,

00:31:32.600 which really proves

00:31:33.920 my thesis

00:31:34.460 about their

00:31:35.300 shitty life decisions,

00:31:36.420 and the fact that

00:31:36.880 they don't actually

00:31:37.360 believe in it,

00:31:38.260 is really,

00:31:39.080 I've heard them say,

00:31:39.840 I'm willing to kill

00:31:40.960 for a needle,

00:31:43.020 for example,

00:31:43.420 right?

00:31:43.600 If it's my proposition,

00:31:44.720 I'm going to kill for it.

00:31:46.720 But if you put it

00:31:47.500 the other way around

00:31:48.160 and say,

00:31:48.740 well,

00:31:49.140 are you personally

00:31:50.400 willing to die

00:31:51.440 for your toast machine?

00:31:52.940 Are you willing

00:31:53.280 to die for your toaster?

00:31:56.020 And,

00:31:56.540 of course,

00:31:57.240 people are going to say

00:31:57.820 no because people

00:31:58.560 are not willing to die

00:31:59.400 for such puny,

00:32:00.780 puny,

00:32:01.280 no,

00:32:03.660 accessories.

00:32:04.220 Material objects, yes.

00:32:05.080 Yeah, precisely.

00:32:05.520 And this is really

00:32:08.020 where the weakness

00:32:09.300 of the libertarian idea

00:32:11.000 really showcases itself

00:32:12.620 because they're not

00:32:13.540 willing to die for,

00:32:15.160 because, like,

00:32:15.860 in the end,

00:32:16.760 it all boils down

00:32:17.380 to a few material things

00:32:18.540 they're willing to die for,

00:32:19.540 that they're assumably

00:32:20.620 willing to die for.

00:32:21.740 They don't really have

00:32:22.780 anything greater

00:32:23.560 in their mind.

00:32:24.220 They don't really have

00:32:24.840 a collective.

00:32:25.800 They don't have any ideas

00:32:26.900 of greater concepts.

00:32:28.180 Yeah, we were talking

00:32:28.880 about this on the other

00:32:29.720 episode of

00:32:30.340 natural versus

00:32:31.380 supernatural virtue,

00:32:32.420 where, like,

00:32:33.640 these libertarians,

00:32:34.960 basically they behave

00:32:36.160 like animals

00:32:36.660 in a certain sense.

00:32:37.500 Their ethic is no higher

00:32:38.700 than that of animals.

00:32:40.280 And they act like animals

00:32:41.300 because they...

00:32:41.920 Oh, yeah.

00:32:42.800 I refuse to believe

00:32:44.500 that they will

00:32:45.580 stand up and fight

00:32:46.880 against the police

00:32:48.080 if it all comes

00:32:48.960 to them having

00:32:49.600 to protect

00:32:50.240 their toaster.

00:32:51.640 I really refuse

00:32:52.320 to believe that.

00:32:53.500 And that is why

00:32:54.240 their ideology is weak,

00:32:55.620 inherently,

00:32:56.360 rotten,

00:32:56.740 and they're all

00:32:57.140 dysfunctional.

00:32:58.160 I'm not sure

00:32:58.620 if you've ever seen

00:32:59.180 libertarians.

00:32:59.640 They always appear

00:33:00.600 to be very dysfunctional

00:33:01.760 and drug-addicted

00:33:02.560 and making horrible

00:33:03.980 life decisions.

00:33:05.840 Yeah, the best of them

00:33:07.480 are at the level

00:33:08.320 of animals.

00:33:10.320 I mean, animals are true

00:33:11.400 to their natures, right?

00:33:13.000 But once you go down

00:33:14.600 the rabbit hole

00:33:15.260 of idolizing yourself,

00:33:17.480 of, I mean,

00:33:18.160 what amounts to

00:33:18.980 basically Satanism,

00:33:20.860 you end up worse

00:33:22.060 than the animals.

00:33:22.860 You end up with

00:33:23.560 purple-haired feminists

00:33:25.960 on dope.

00:33:27.340 Well, we also think,

00:33:28.740 like, I was like,

00:33:29.140 because they act

00:33:30.140 like animals, right?

00:33:31.180 They're not willing

00:33:31.860 to fight against

00:33:32.540 anything bigger

00:33:33.240 than themselves,

00:33:34.020 which is why

00:33:34.420 they're cowards, right?

00:33:36.720 An animal, right,

00:33:37.620 when he meets

00:33:38.040 a bigger opponent

00:33:39.060 than itself,

00:33:39.780 it will flee, right?

00:33:41.320 It will always run away.

00:33:42.820 But humans, you know,

00:33:43.840 we have our principles

00:33:44.880 and we adhere to principles.

00:33:46.380 The animals

00:33:46.700 don't have principles.

00:33:47.720 They either defend

00:33:49.160 their offspring

00:33:50.320 or they run away

00:33:51.380 and just reproduce

00:33:52.180 and create other offspring, right?

00:33:53.800 And I really think

00:33:54.540 that is what showcases

00:33:55.520 the spirit of the libertarian.

00:33:56.920 They're not willing

00:33:57.420 to sacrifice themselves

00:33:58.500 or become a martyr

00:33:59.380 for any cause.

00:34:00.580 What it all boils down to

00:34:01.640 is the fact that,

00:34:02.360 you know,

00:34:02.920 you just want to smoke pot

00:34:04.020 and masturbate

00:34:05.080 without feeling bad about it.

00:34:06.760 That is really all they are.

00:34:09.120 Oh, man,

00:34:09.500 that makes me think of

00:34:10.460 a thing I was thinking

00:34:12.500 about a while ago

00:34:13.220 is that perhaps

00:34:13.960 there's a lot of envy

00:34:16.640 involved in the sense

00:34:17.880 that they don't want

00:34:18.580 to see anyone above them

00:34:19.760 because they want

00:34:20.580 to be above,

00:34:21.820 but since they recognize

00:34:23.000 that they don't have the virtue.

00:34:23.960 But this is what

00:34:25.100 this kind of false liberty does

00:34:26.960 is it doesn't free people

00:34:28.620 to choose the best

00:34:29.640 or to choose the excellent

00:34:30.660 or to live in the way

00:34:32.720 that's most congruent

00:34:33.860 with virtue

00:34:34.900 as true liberty does,

00:34:37.800 but their false liberty

00:34:38.980 merely equates

00:34:40.020 all choices to one another.

00:34:41.620 So no matter what you do,

00:34:43.480 it's equal in value

00:34:44.700 and virtue

00:34:45.220 to anybody else's choices morally.

00:34:47.660 The market

00:34:48.160 is what punishes you.

00:34:49.720 And this is the fundamental...

00:34:50.920 Sorry, go on now.

00:34:51.480 So they essentially

00:34:53.060 just become slaves

00:34:54.200 to their shitty impulses, right?

00:34:56.040 Well, to a certain degree,

00:34:56.880 but I think that the bigger issue

00:34:58.100 is that for them,

00:34:58.960 like, if you're a materialist libertarian,

00:35:01.220 then the only thing

00:35:01.980 that's real

00:35:02.380 are market interactions.

00:35:04.280 And so if somebody,

00:35:05.300 you know,

00:35:05.640 chooses to

00:35:06.960 smoke dope

00:35:08.780 from morning to night

00:35:09.640 and, you know,

00:35:11.880 gets depressed

00:35:12.360 and kills themselves,

00:35:13.240 well,

00:35:13.860 there's nothing fundamentally

00:35:14.740 morally wrong

00:35:15.480 with that act.

00:35:17.400 It's just the market forces

00:35:18.660 that are punishing them.

00:35:19.820 You see this

00:35:20.780 with Kurt Doolittle.

00:35:22.480 Yes.

00:35:22.800 Like, Kurt Doolittle.

00:35:23.900 Oh, yeah.

00:35:24.460 He has an evolutionary ideal,

00:35:26.560 which I find very admirable.

00:35:27.960 It puts him above,

00:35:28.640 like, many people on the right.

00:35:30.880 He still has that, like,

00:35:32.380 weird,

00:35:33.280 logical autism

00:35:35.120 where he's like,

00:35:36.240 well,

00:35:36.420 I'm gonna be,

00:35:37.180 you know,

00:35:38.620 killing cops

00:35:39.440 and judges

00:35:40.460 and politicians

00:35:41.480 in the name

00:35:42.520 of market forces.

00:35:44.160 And he also

00:35:44.860 puts everything

00:35:45.940 into terms of markets

00:35:47.260 because that's the only thing

00:35:48.420 he understands.

00:35:50.220 So,

00:35:50.800 to him,

00:35:51.400 like,

00:35:51.820 marriage is a market

00:35:52.960 and everything works

00:35:54.880 in between,

00:35:55.440 like,

00:35:55.680 trading and things.

00:35:57.080 He's also seen

00:35:58.140 in the fact

00:35:58.500 that he's divorced

00:35:59.380 and that he only

00:36:00.480 hangs out

00:36:00.920 with Ukrainian prostitutes.

00:36:03.460 Well,

00:36:04.080 but I mean,

00:36:04.440 I think that there's

00:36:05.300 a critical point here

00:36:06.160 in that,

00:36:07.000 yeah,

00:36:07.740 these guys,

00:36:08.260 they don't,

00:36:08.600 they don't,

00:36:09.320 the market does not

00:36:10.460 give us moral value,

00:36:12.940 only economic.

00:36:13.800 And so,

00:36:15.620 the human beings,

00:36:16.980 this is one of the

00:36:17.760 fatal fallacies

00:36:18.380 of Locke and Hobbes,

00:36:19.420 is that the human being

00:36:20.480 is not an individual

00:36:21.460 that doesn't fucking exist.

00:36:23.580 Nobody is born

00:36:24.740 fully grown.

00:36:26.400 When you're born,

00:36:27.260 you're a helpless infant

00:36:28.020 and if you're not

00:36:28.780 nursed and cared for,

00:36:29.620 you fucking die.

00:36:31.580 And so the individual

00:36:32.340 cannot exist.

00:36:34.900 Doolittle,

00:36:35.680 because he always

00:36:36.840 would talk about,

00:36:37.800 on the daily show appearances,

00:36:39.040 he was always talking about

00:36:39.920 how,

00:36:40.560 oh yeah,

00:36:41.200 200 guys

00:36:42.160 in Ukraine,

00:36:42.980 and they took down

00:36:43.880 the government,

00:36:44.900 we could do that

00:36:45.560 in the United States.

00:36:47.020 That thing was

00:36:47.960 actually fucking NATO.

00:36:49.900 Yeah,

00:36:50.300 that's what I was

00:36:50.900 going to say.

00:36:51.440 It's like,

00:36:51.980 Kurt,

00:36:52.600 do you realize that?

00:36:53.640 They had the NATO

00:36:54.640 for that thing years before.

00:36:55.440 You know,

00:36:55.780 all this is going to get

00:36:56.720 Kurt,

00:36:57.060 is he's going to end up

00:36:57.920 getting spray paint

00:36:59.140 and then an axe

00:36:59.860 through his head

00:37:00.460 by the Azov Battalion

00:37:01.700 because they'll be like,

00:37:02.460 ah,

00:37:02.720 a foreigner who seeks

00:37:03.620 to loot our countries,

00:37:05.180 let's get him.

00:37:06.520 Let's get him.

00:37:08.020 Yeah,

00:37:08.540 it only takes 200 guys

00:37:10.280 when you have

00:37:10.700 the entire backing

00:37:11.900 of,

00:37:12.240 you know,

00:37:12.780 of Zog.

00:37:14.380 But just related

00:37:15.760 to our conversation,

00:37:17.460 I think

00:37:17.820 Francis Parker Yaki

00:37:19.700 is a pretty good line

00:37:21.140 here in Imperium.

00:37:23.200 Where is it?

00:37:24.600 Here it is.

00:37:24.980 The aim of evolution

00:37:26.580 is not to produce

00:37:27.780 bacilli,

00:37:30.580 but humanity.

00:37:32.220 It is free trade capitalism

00:37:33.560 and that this struggle

00:37:34.680 is economic,

00:37:35.620 every man for himself,

00:37:36.780 and competition

00:37:37.460 decides which life forms

00:37:39.380 are best.

00:37:40.960 It is gradual

00:37:41.860 and parliamentary

00:37:42.480 for continual progress

00:37:44.220 and adaptation.

00:37:45.260 This adaptation

00:37:46.660 excludes revolutions

00:37:48.000 and catastrophes.

00:37:49.760 It is utilitarian

00:37:50.800 and every change

00:37:51.960 species

00:37:52.520 is one

00:37:53.740 that has material use.

00:37:56.520 But it's just,

00:37:57.860 he's talking about

00:37:58.640 Darwinism,

00:37:59.340 but it's kind of,

00:38:00.300 I think it's related

00:38:01.600 to the,

00:38:02.300 you know,

00:38:02.440 what we're discussing

00:38:03.160 with,

00:38:03.560 you know,

00:38:04.600 libertarianism

00:38:05.340 and the sort of

00:38:06.700 very materialistic

00:38:08.400 free trade

00:38:09.160 or,

00:38:09.680 you know,

00:38:10.540 market interaction

00:38:11.780 idea,

00:38:14.080 which is

00:38:14.680 complete nonsense

00:38:17.340 because it's like,

00:38:18.160 well,

00:38:18.580 if you've read

00:38:19.260 Genesis,

00:38:20.340 do Adam and Eve

00:38:21.160 make the best choice

00:38:22.600 in not touching

00:38:23.820 the fruit?

00:38:25.280 No,

00:38:25.680 they don't.

00:38:28.360 Yeah,

00:38:28.940 well,

00:38:29.120 exactly.

00:38:29.740 And that's the,

00:38:31.800 this could bring us

00:38:32.780 into a whole other

00:38:34.140 discussion.

00:38:35.080 But I think that this

00:38:35.820 tangent,

00:38:36.560 tangential though it was,

00:38:38.160 was valuable.

00:38:39.840 So,

00:38:40.380 moving back to the

00:38:41.700 original topic

00:38:42.600 of discussion

00:38:43.160 with Spice

00:38:44.420 on general

00:38:45.360 conspiracy theories,

00:38:46.560 are there any other

00:38:47.380 areas,

00:38:47.820 like you want to

00:38:48.660 focus on

00:38:49.120 or you want to

00:38:49.700 elucidate

00:38:50.300 or you want to

00:38:50.780 discuss?

00:38:52.660 Yeah,

00:38:53.120 I think the main

00:38:53.860 area I've been

00:38:54.540 looking at,

00:38:55.300 I'm sorry,

00:38:56.860 I cut out there

00:38:57.260 for a moment.

00:38:57.800 I think the main

00:38:58.680 area I've been

00:38:59.120 looking at recently

00:38:59.960 is kind of the

00:39:00.840 history of

00:39:02.000 Western science

00:39:04.440 since the

00:39:05.780 Enlightenment

00:39:06.320 and kind of its

00:39:07.260 connections with

00:39:08.240 sort of the occult

00:39:10.820 and masonry

00:39:12.260 and these are all

00:39:12.940 intimately tied

00:39:13.760 and it kind of

00:39:14.380 relates back to

00:39:15.400 what we were

00:39:16.580 discussing earlier

00:39:17.580 with like the

00:39:18.240 alt-right,

00:39:18.800 they're still

00:39:19.120 kind of stuck

00:39:19.900 in this

00:39:20.180 materialist

00:39:20.940 vein

00:39:23.000 when

00:39:25.040 a lot of

00:39:26.620 the science

00:39:27.440 that we have,

00:39:28.360 a lot of the

00:39:28.960 kind of

00:39:29.580 not so much

00:39:31.040 like

00:39:32.420 engineering

00:39:33.680 or the sort of

00:39:34.320 something that

00:39:34.780 obviously you can

00:39:35.800 test and prove,

00:39:36.920 right?

00:39:37.180 Like,

00:39:37.520 you know,

00:39:37.900 if someone is

00:39:38.380 building a bridge,

00:39:39.760 it's going to

00:39:41.200 happen or it's not.

00:39:41.980 what I'm

00:39:42.920 referring to is

00:39:43.660 kind of like

00:39:45.160 evolution,

00:39:47.760 some of these

00:39:48.120 other theoretical

00:39:49.900 areas of science

00:39:51.000 that try to

00:39:52.540 explain everything

00:39:53.380 in purely material

00:39:54.700 terms and claim

00:39:56.140 to have

00:39:56.820 explanatory power

00:39:59.660 over this.

00:40:01.520 What you're talking

00:40:02.480 about, you know,

00:40:03.380 quantum physics,

00:40:05.580 algebra,

00:40:06.720 chemistry,

00:40:07.080 it's all

00:40:07.920 really just,

00:40:09.480 it's Mossad.

00:40:10.460 It's a Mossad

00:40:11.140 sci-fi.

00:40:12.500 I get also

00:40:13.580 what you're saying.

00:40:15.820 I'm sorry,

00:40:16.640 Spice,

00:40:16.860 I just had to go

00:40:17.460 for that.

00:40:19.940 But there's a

00:40:20.980 quote here from

00:40:21.740 the article,

00:40:24.400 if anyone in the

00:40:25.440 audience is

00:40:25.880 interested in

00:40:26.240 looking it up,

00:40:26.700 it's called

00:40:26.980 The Faustian

00:40:27.660 Face of Modern

00:40:28.520 Science,

00:40:29.180 Understanding the

00:40:29.900 Epistemological

00:40:30.680 Foundations of

00:40:31.580 Scientific

00:40:32.040 Totalitarianism.

00:40:33.940 The Enlightenment,

00:40:35.060 which acted as the

00:40:35.820 crucible for all

00:40:36.600 modern sociologists,

00:40:37.080 socio-political

00:40:37.740 utopianism,

00:40:38.600 represented the

00:40:39.220 codification of

00:40:40.180 Gnostic occultism

00:40:41.260 as a revolutionary

00:40:42.680 doctrine.

00:40:43.900 The new Gnosis

00:40:44.560 was science,

00:40:45.760 which Enlightenment

00:40:46.360 thinkers believed

00:40:47.060 should be universally

00:40:47.860 imposed upon all

00:40:49.020 fields of inquiry.

00:40:50.740 For the violent

00:40:51.320 revolutionary wing

00:40:52.140 of the Enlightenment,

00:40:53.140 e.g. the Illuminati,

00:40:54.260 the Jacobins,

00:40:54.980 etc.,

00:40:55.860 the universal

00:40:56.540 imposition of science

00:40:57.760 included governance.

00:40:59.640 Herein is the

00:41:00.360 conceptual basis

00:41:02.260 for all scientific

00:41:03.300 totalitarianism.

00:41:04.400 So, you know,

00:41:10.680 it's kind of funny,

00:41:11.500 like, I remember

00:41:12.260 when I used to read

00:41:12.800 a lot of NRX stuff,

00:41:13.960 they would always say,

00:41:15.140 oh, well, you know,

00:41:16.100 John Locke and,

00:41:17.560 you know, and all

00:41:18.140 this, the political

00:41:19.160 aspects of the

00:41:19.900 Enlightenment are

00:41:20.600 different from the,

00:41:22.120 you know, the science,

00:41:23.300 you know, that was all

00:41:24.120 good.

00:41:24.560 Well, that's really

00:41:26.100 naive because it's all

00:41:27.580 part of the same

00:41:28.480 sort of, you know,

00:41:30.460 philosophical movement.

00:41:35.520 And, you know,

00:41:36.880 it's, what it does

00:41:39.460 is it, you know,

00:41:40.120 it's a way to reduce

00:41:42.500 the value of metaphysics.

00:41:44.000 I mean, that's

00:41:44.460 completely absent

00:41:45.700 from modern society

00:41:47.380 unless you're a

00:41:49.040 Christian.

00:41:50.260 Well, can you

00:41:52.420 prove ideals and

00:41:54.340 standards for science?

00:41:55.440 Are you being

00:41:58.340 facetious now?

00:41:59.460 Yes, he is being

00:42:00.220 facetious.

00:42:01.080 Okay.

00:42:04.340 But it's just kind

00:42:05.820 of the, it's part

00:42:06.880 and parcel of the

00:42:08.020 idea that, you

00:42:09.460 know, well, we're

00:42:10.200 just higher animals,

00:42:11.240 right?

00:42:11.580 That's what Darwin

00:42:12.260 said, more or less,

00:42:13.400 you know, and kind

00:42:14.200 of the people that

00:42:14.780 built on his

00:42:15.420 theories.

00:42:16.280 So what does it

00:42:17.260 matter if, you

00:42:18.180 know, we kill a

00:42:20.400 bunch of people or,

00:42:21.360 you know, we have

00:42:21.820 this new utopian

00:42:23.840 model of society.

00:42:25.080 It doesn't really

00:42:25.860 matter.

00:42:26.740 I mean, I'm starting

00:42:27.860 to ramble, I think,

00:42:28.800 but I hope that

00:42:29.800 makes sense.

00:42:30.820 Yeah.

00:42:31.260 It makes sense.

00:42:32.540 Yeah, and I think

00:42:33.000 this is a subject we

00:42:34.120 could probably talk

00:42:35.260 about independently

00:42:36.440 for a very long

00:42:37.380 time.

00:42:38.180 But let's move on.

00:42:39.280 Thank you very much

00:42:39.900 for your contribution.

00:42:41.800 We appreciate you

00:42:43.000 sending this

00:42:44.820 valuable information.

00:42:45.620 There's so much

00:42:46.140 ground to cover

00:42:46.860 with this stuff.

00:42:47.740 I mean, it's

00:42:48.640 tied into, I'm

00:42:50.700 sorry, cut out for a

00:42:51.340 moment.

00:42:51.900 There's so much

00:42:52.440 ground to cover

00:42:53.060 with this stuff.

00:42:53.780 It's hard to do

00:42:55.540 it in, you know,

00:42:56.280 an hour or

00:42:56.840 whatever.

00:42:57.360 So, but, I

00:42:58.580 mean, it touches,

00:42:59.800 you know, geopolitics.

00:43:00.900 Well, it's full

00:43:01.280 spectrum dominance,

00:43:02.020 so it covers pretty

00:43:02.980 much everything in

00:43:04.720 some way.

00:43:06.440 Yes, exactly.

00:43:07.800 That's the thing

00:43:08.400 about the Zionist

00:43:09.040 occupation government

00:43:09.800 is it is

00:43:10.480 totalitarian.

00:43:12.060 So, Balaguer, why

00:43:13.180 don't you present

00:43:13.780 your information for

00:43:14.600 us next?

00:43:15.440 What are you here

00:43:16.620 to talk about

00:43:17.120 today?

00:43:18.300 Evangelical

00:43:18.700 conspiracy theories,

00:43:19.560 right?

00:43:19.720 Oh, this is

00:43:21.300 the type of

00:43:25.180 shit that gets

00:43:26.180 people to Alex

00:43:27.060 Jones, and

00:43:28.180 possibly worse.

00:43:31.380 All right, let

00:43:32.180 me start.

00:43:33.300 The thing I'm

00:43:33.720 going to be

00:43:34.120 talking about is

00:43:35.100 general evangelical

00:43:36.480 theory that the

00:43:38.440 Catholic Church is

00:43:40.140 pagan, and they

00:43:42.340 use sources from

00:43:44.460 Babylon for that.

00:43:45.480 So, I'll give you a

00:43:47.480 general run-off of the

00:43:48.540 theory.

00:43:48.820 Sorry, I'm just

00:43:53.460 shitposting.

00:43:54.520 No problem.

00:43:56.280 So, it begins in

00:43:58.360 the year 3000 BC, and

00:44:00.840 in Babylon there was

00:44:02.180 a woman who was

00:44:03.340 named Semiramis, or

00:44:05.080 also named Ishtar,

00:44:06.780 or Ishtar.

00:44:08.320 And the Bible

00:44:09.260 refers to her as

00:44:10.840 Ashtorethos, or

00:44:12.200 Astarte.

00:44:14.660 And, well, she was

00:44:16.460 the queen of Babylon,

00:44:17.300 and she had

00:44:19.220 adopted a child, and

00:44:21.060 the child was called

00:44:22.700 the Nimrod.

00:44:24.060 And according to the

00:44:25.180 Bible, Nimrod was a

00:44:26.300 descendant of Adam and

00:44:28.060 a great grandson of

00:44:29.460 Noah through the

00:44:30.660 line of Ham.

00:44:32.760 So, well, what

00:44:34.700 happened is that

00:44:35.540 people in Babylon

00:44:36.520 began to worship

00:44:38.460 Semiramis as a

00:44:39.900 goddess, and to get

00:44:41.800 closer to Semiramis,

00:44:43.460 they would get more

00:44:44.240 privileges, etc.

00:44:47.480 Well, Semiramis

00:44:49.000 wanted to make

00:44:50.320 Nimrod into a god,

00:44:51.940 and there was, for

00:44:54.200 a brief time, a

00:44:54.940 worship of Nimrod, and

00:44:56.160 it was called

00:44:56.800 Moloch.

00:44:58.160 And that involved

00:44:59.700 the sacrifice of

00:45:02.660 children.

00:45:04.120 And this is also

00:45:06.680 what's carried out

00:45:08.480 later in the

00:45:09.060 Bible as well,

00:45:10.940 what Moloch

00:45:12.300 worship, that is.

00:45:14.240 Well, after a

00:45:16.420 while, many

00:45:17.720 Babylonians didn't

00:45:18.940 agree with the

00:45:19.780 general gist of it,

00:45:20.900 and they chose to

00:45:21.560 kill Nimrod, and

00:45:22.580 they succeeded.

00:45:25.340 And, oh,

00:45:26.740 Semiramis was

00:45:27.420 queen again, but

00:45:29.860 many people didn't

00:45:32.140 believe that

00:45:33.780 Nimrod was the

00:45:34.700 god, and so

00:45:35.860 Semiramis feared

00:45:36.900 losing control, and

00:45:38.260 she came up with a

00:45:39.480 plan to make, to

00:45:40.860 control them again.

00:45:41.700 So she had sex

00:45:44.020 with a priest and

00:45:44.860 became pregnant, and

00:45:46.400 the child she had

00:45:48.480 to be the

00:45:49.760 reincarnation of the

00:45:51.320 Babylonian god

00:45:52.140 Nimrod.

00:45:53.500 This child was

00:45:55.260 called Tammuz, and

00:45:57.180 it was born on

00:45:59.780 the 25th of

00:46:01.520 December in the

00:46:02.740 year 3005 B.C.

00:46:04.820 December 25th was

00:46:07.120 the shortest day of

00:46:08.040 the year, and

00:46:09.060 you know, it

00:46:10.900 marks that the

00:46:11.900 days will begin

00:46:13.100 to lengthen again.

00:46:14.360 So by

00:46:15.380 associating the

00:46:17.000 son with Nimrod

00:46:18.460 and the

00:46:19.220 newborn son of

00:46:20.800 Semiramis, it

00:46:23.240 became a

00:46:23.680 holiday, and

00:46:24.500 you know, with

00:46:25.760 many symbols like

00:46:27.620 the evergreen

00:46:28.200 trees and

00:46:29.120 symbols of

00:46:29.820 life, etc.

00:46:32.820 And then it

00:46:33.620 ties in that

00:46:34.820 weird thing that

00:46:37.980 they make a

00:46:38.760 jump here.

00:46:39.500 They suddenly

00:46:40.140 make a jump

00:46:40.700 that every

00:46:41.640 single religion

00:46:42.780 is based on

00:46:44.100 this, that

00:46:44.880 every single

00:46:45.540 religion has a

00:46:46.360 mother and son

00:46:47.040 figure.

00:46:48.320 So then they

00:46:49.820 even say that

00:46:50.480 the Roman

00:46:51.360 church has

00:46:51.940 this, and

00:46:52.520 they say that

00:46:53.060 the cross is

00:46:54.680 actually the

00:46:55.280 tea of

00:46:55.980 Tammuz.

00:46:56.380 Oh, wow.

00:47:00.700 Checkmate

00:47:01.320 Catholics.

00:47:02.460 Wow, that's

00:47:03.600 incredible.

00:47:04.220 Before the

00:47:04.660 Latin alphabet

00:47:05.200 was invented?

00:47:07.200 Oh, no, that's

00:47:07.880 the thing.

00:47:08.480 They have

00:47:08.820 something for

00:47:09.680 this.

00:47:10.000 They say it's

00:47:10.600 Chaldean, the

00:47:11.720 letter T.

00:47:12.160 Chaldean?

00:47:13.200 In Chaldean.

00:47:14.600 Oh, yeah.

00:47:17.800 Wow.

00:47:18.040 Yeah, all right.

00:47:18.980 And then they

00:47:19.880 carry on and

00:47:20.960 carry on, and

00:47:21.740 after a while

00:47:23.000 they get to

00:47:23.660 the Jesuits, and

00:47:24.880 they say that

00:47:25.360 the Jesuits

00:47:25.980 have carried

00:47:27.200 out this

00:47:27.760 tradition for

00:47:29.200 thousands of

00:47:30.200 years.

00:47:30.380 The Jesuits.

00:47:31.900 Always to

00:47:32.660 Jesuits.

00:47:34.360 Then we come

00:47:35.100 to the

00:47:35.420 Jesuit Oath.

00:47:37.420 Have you ever

00:47:38.080 heard of the

00:47:38.460 Jesuit Oath?

00:47:39.980 Yes, I've

00:47:40.440 heard of the

00:47:40.860 Jesuit Oath.

00:47:41.660 Could you

00:47:42.000 please read it

00:47:42.700 out loud for

00:47:43.220 me?

00:47:43.400 I need to

00:47:43.740 hear it.

00:47:45.020 It's long as

00:47:45.980 fuck, so I'm

00:47:46.400 not going to

00:47:46.940 read the entire

00:47:47.540 thing.

00:47:47.840 Long story

00:47:48.380 short, the

00:47:49.580 supposed secret

00:47:50.440 Jesuit Oath

00:47:50.960 promises you

00:47:52.100 give your

00:47:52.720 complete loyalty

00:47:53.340 to the Pope

00:47:53.760 of Rome and

00:47:54.260 to kill for

00:47:54.740 him if

00:47:55.000 necessary and

00:47:55.880 subvert and

00:47:56.880 lie and all

00:47:57.380 this kind of

00:47:57.760 stuff.

00:47:59.060 Let me quote

00:48:00.620 a spicy piece

00:48:01.840 of this, all right?

00:48:02.600 This is

00:48:02.900 alleged, just

00:48:03.820 for the

00:48:04.120 record.

00:48:06.060 All right.

00:48:06.940 Are you ready

00:48:07.680 for this?

00:48:08.840 I'm ready.

00:48:09.500 I'm sitting

00:48:09.740 at the edge of

00:48:10.360 my chair.

00:48:10.860 right now.

00:48:11.440 I'm a bit

00:48:12.120 sweaty, but

00:48:12.820 you know, it's

00:48:13.180 good.

00:48:13.460 I'm ready.

00:48:14.440 Give it to me.

00:48:14.680 This is one

00:48:15.140 part of it.

00:48:15.800 This is really

00:48:16.460 spicy.

00:48:18.440 All right.

00:48:18.800 That I will go

00:48:19.640 to out of the

00:48:20.260 world with

00:48:20.940 ever so ever I

00:48:23.120 may be sent to

00:48:24.040 the frozen

00:48:24.540 regions north,

00:48:25.920 jungles of

00:48:26.440 India, to the

00:48:27.300 centers of

00:48:27.820 civilization of

00:48:28.640 Europe, or to

00:48:29.580 the wild

00:48:30.140 haunts of the

00:48:30.720 barbarous

00:48:31.380 savages of

00:48:32.260 America, without

00:48:33.020 murmuring or

00:48:33.880 repining.

00:48:35.440 And I will be

00:48:36.140 submissive in

00:48:37.280 all things

00:48:37.960 whatsoever is

00:48:38.900 communicated to

00:48:39.820 me.

00:48:40.280 I do

00:48:41.280 further

00:48:41.660 promise and

00:48:42.580 declare that

00:48:43.160 I will, when

00:48:44.060 opportunity presents,

00:48:47.700 make and wage

00:48:48.740 relentless war

00:48:49.920 secretly and

00:48:50.800 openly against

00:48:51.780 all heretics,

00:48:53.480 Protestants and

00:48:54.340 Masons, as I

00:48:55.700 am directed to

00:48:56.880 do, to

00:48:57.840 extirpate them

00:48:59.880 from the face

00:49:00.920 of the whole

00:49:01.360 earth, and

00:49:02.260 that I will

00:49:02.840 spare neither

00:49:03.580 age, sex,

00:49:04.480 nor condition,

00:49:05.780 and that

00:49:06.100 will hang,

00:49:07.500 burn, waste,

00:49:08.420 boil, flay,

00:49:09.400 strangle and

00:49:10.040 bury your

00:49:10.580 life, these

00:49:11.160 infamous heretics,

00:49:12.740 rip up the

00:49:13.600 stomachs and

00:49:14.200 the wombs of

00:49:14.800 the women,

00:49:15.380 crush their

00:49:15.820 infants'

00:49:16.400 head against

00:49:16.960 the walls in

00:49:17.600 order to

00:49:18.120 annihilate their

00:49:18.860 execrable race.

00:49:20.280 And then it

00:49:20.700 goes on for

00:49:21.300 more and more.

00:49:22.360 That's pretty

00:49:22.800 metal, I mean,

00:49:23.480 I think they

00:49:24.320 would be a lot

00:49:24.780 more badass if

00:49:25.480 they actually

00:49:25.880 did take this

00:49:26.420 out.

00:49:27.000 Yeah, I was

00:49:27.700 like, hey,

00:49:28.140 where is this

00:49:28.920 version of the

00:49:29.460 Jesuit order I

00:49:30.380 want to join

00:49:30.900 now?

00:49:31.240 Yeah, that

00:49:33.060 the thing is,

00:49:34.540 all the sources

00:49:35.660 that are quoted

00:49:37.480 for this are

00:49:38.580 all anonymous.

00:49:39.960 Wait, was

00:49:40.480 that supposed

00:49:40.820 to be bad?

00:49:42.100 That's spooky.

00:49:44.100 You can interpret

00:49:45.040 this as both

00:49:46.100 bad and good,

00:49:47.180 in the sense

00:49:47.680 that it could

00:49:48.940 be interpreted

00:49:49.600 as good,

00:49:50.240 because if

00:49:50.980 they're all

00:49:51.320 anonymous,

00:49:51.940 it would mean

00:49:52.360 they would be

00:49:53.200 persecuted for

00:49:54.200 leaking this,

00:49:55.360 or it's a bad

00:49:56.460 thing because

00:49:57.100 there's no

00:49:57.580 credibility and

00:49:58.540 it could be

00:49:58.900 just some idiot

00:49:59.580 who made it

00:50:00.820 up.

00:50:01.240 I find it

00:50:03.620 very unlikely

00:50:04.340 that any

00:50:04.920 idiot could

00:50:05.820 make this

00:50:06.360 up.

00:50:07.220 Is that

00:50:08.440 kind of

00:50:08.960 related to

00:50:10.860 the Zionist

00:50:12.240 Christianity?

00:50:13.220 Is there a

00:50:14.420 tie with that?

00:50:15.580 Of course,

00:50:16.500 yeah, that's

00:50:16.840 what I thought.

00:50:17.820 The thing

00:50:18.360 is, I

00:50:20.220 suppose it's

00:50:20.820 called a

00:50:21.240 branch of

00:50:22.160 Zionist

00:50:22.560 Christianity,

00:50:23.140 is that they

00:50:23.740 are opposed

00:50:24.660 to the

00:50:25.340 Israeli

00:50:25.720 government.

00:50:28.400 For

00:50:29.000 instance,

00:50:30.100 the

00:50:30.260 Israeli

00:50:31.160 Supreme

00:50:31.960 Court.

00:50:33.640 If you

00:50:34.360 Google that,

00:50:35.440 the third

00:50:36.200 result from

00:50:37.220 then on is

00:50:38.120 all conspiracy

00:50:38.720 theories.

00:50:39.180 It's funny,

00:50:42.180 just to

00:50:42.520 interject,

00:50:43.020 I remember

00:50:43.420 the name of

00:50:43.820 this one

00:50:44.160 conspiracy

00:50:44.500 theory I

00:50:44.900 had heard

00:50:45.100 about.

00:50:45.840 This is

00:50:46.240 another

00:50:46.500 Protestant

00:50:46.880 conspiracy

00:50:47.300 theory known

00:50:47.780 as the

00:50:48.040 Phantom

00:50:48.460 Time

00:50:48.840 Hypothesis.

00:50:50.120 It was

00:50:50.360 asserted by

00:50:50.980 Heribert

00:50:52.460 Illig.

00:50:53.860 Basically,

00:50:54.500 first published

00:50:54.920 in 1991,

00:50:56.020 the hypothesis

00:50:56.660 proposes a

00:50:57.400 conspiracy by

00:50:58.580 the Holy

00:50:58.940 Roman Emperor

00:50:59.500 Otto III and

00:51:00.700 Pope

00:51:00.940 Sylvester II,

00:51:02.200 and possibly

00:51:02.760 Byzantine

00:51:03.380 Emperor

00:51:03.660 Constantine

00:51:04.420 VII,

00:51:05.160 to

00:51:06.000 fabricate

00:51:06.620 the

00:51:06.820 Anno

00:51:07.140 Domini

00:51:07.600 dating

00:51:07.980 system

00:51:08.380 retrospectively

00:51:09.180 so that

00:51:09.820 it placed

00:51:10.300 them at

00:51:10.820 the special

00:51:11.220 year of

00:51:11.760 1000 AD

00:51:12.620 and to

00:51:13.640 rewrite

00:51:13.940 history.

00:51:15.020 Illig

00:51:15.260 believed that

00:51:15.720 this was

00:51:16.000 achieved

00:51:16.420 through the

00:51:16.800 alteration,

00:51:17.440 misrepresentation,

00:51:18.620 and forgery of

00:51:19.280 documentary and

00:51:20.020 physical evidence.

00:51:21.200 According to

00:51:21.660 this scenario,

00:51:22.300 the entire

00:51:22.700 Carolingian

00:51:23.380 period,

00:51:23.940 including the

00:51:24.400 figure of

00:51:24.780 Charlemagne,

00:51:25.320 would be a

00:51:25.620 fabrication,

00:51:26.780 with Phantom

00:51:27.320 Time

00:51:27.760 close to

00:51:28.300 three centuries,

00:51:29.320 from 614 to

00:51:30.340 911,

00:51:31.560 added to the

00:51:32.140 early Middle

00:51:32.580 Ages.

00:51:32.980 basically the

00:51:35.860 reason why he

00:51:36.420 proposes this,

00:51:37.500 is that this

00:51:38.040 is how they

00:51:38.680 justified their

00:51:41.680 heretical doctrine,

00:51:43.640 the Catholic and

00:51:44.100 the Orthodox.

00:51:45.820 This is how

00:51:46.320 Protestants are

00:51:49.320 correct.

00:51:50.960 Oh,

00:51:51.280 man.

00:51:52.020 The most

00:51:53.720 annoying thing

00:51:54.360 about all these

00:51:54.920 theories is that

00:51:55.840 they bring

00:51:58.780 things to

00:51:59.220 light that have

00:51:59.980 actual value to

00:52:00.880 them,

00:52:01.160 but they mix

00:52:02.220 it with

00:52:02.600 shit.

00:52:04.340 For instance,

00:52:04.980 they bring up

00:52:05.600 an organization

00:52:06.540 a lot,

00:52:06.980 it's called

00:52:07.280 Lucy's Trust,

00:52:08.760 and it used

00:52:09.700 to be called

00:52:10.160 Lucifer's Publishing

00:52:11.620 Company,

00:52:12.440 very edgy,

00:52:13.880 and the name

00:52:15.320 was chosen to

00:52:16.180 honor Lucifer,

00:52:17.000 and the thing

00:52:17.360 is that they

00:52:18.120 work for the

00:52:20.200 UN,

00:52:21.280 for the United

00:52:21.860 Nations,

00:52:22.980 for defining

00:52:24.040 new sustainable

00:52:24.840 development goals

00:52:26.120 for humanity,

00:52:28.060 and the thing

00:52:28.920 is it was

00:52:29.620 started by a

00:52:30.980 Theosophist

00:52:31.640 Alice Bailey,

00:52:32.720 and they

00:52:34.920 mention this

00:52:36.980 all the time,

00:52:38.760 but they mix

00:52:39.360 it with shit,

00:52:40.220 like the

00:52:41.320 Semiramis thing

00:52:42.200 that everything

00:52:42.760 is based on

00:52:43.880 mother-son

00:52:44.460 gods,

00:52:45.220 and the

00:52:45.500 Catholic Church

00:52:46.520 is actually

00:52:47.080 the Antichrist

00:52:49.240 as well,

00:52:49.660 because one

00:52:50.600 thing they

00:52:51.080 mention is

00:52:51.860 the old

00:52:52.760 temple in

00:52:53.320 Jerusalem would

00:52:53.980 be pointed

00:52:54.520 east,

00:52:54.940 and the

00:52:56.480 St. Peter's

00:52:57.200 Church in

00:52:57.820 Rome is

00:52:58.440 pointed west,

00:52:59.580 so symbolically

00:53:00.360 everyone is

00:53:01.640 turning their

00:53:02.320 back on

00:53:02.880 God.

00:53:04.960 Oh,

00:53:05.560 no.

00:53:07.780 Wow.

00:53:08.380 Oh,

00:53:08.820 no.

00:53:09.820 I can't believe

00:53:10.640 I've been living

00:53:11.100 under such a

00:53:11.700 massive lie

00:53:12.380 all of my

00:53:12.900 life.

00:53:15.060 Another thing

00:53:15.920 that makes

00:53:16.520 shit with

00:53:17.080 interesting

00:53:18.040 things is,

00:53:18.940 well,

00:53:19.360 Alex Jones.

00:53:20.880 he gained

00:53:22.420 a lot of

00:53:22.920 fame for

00:53:23.340 going to

00:53:23.840 the Bohemian

00:53:24.760 Grove,

00:53:25.240 and he

00:53:25.780 filmed part

00:53:27.100 of a

00:53:27.480 ceremony

00:53:28.560 there.

00:53:29.240 Inside

00:53:29.680 the Bohemian

00:53:30.920 Grove.

00:53:31.660 I'm inside,

00:53:33.000 folks.

00:53:34.080 Yeah,

00:53:34.360 the

00:53:34.540 cremation of

00:53:35.300 care is

00:53:36.140 what the

00:53:36.400 ceremony was

00:53:36.900 called.

00:53:37.240 exactly,

00:53:37.760 and they

00:53:38.540 tie it to

00:53:39.280 Moloch and

00:53:39.820 all those

00:53:40.180 things,

00:53:40.560 which could

00:53:40.940 be factual,

00:53:41.540 but then

00:53:41.820 they mix

00:53:42.460 in the

00:53:42.840 shit again.

00:53:43.900 It's so

00:53:44.340 annoying.

00:53:46.780 Spice,

00:53:47.060 perhaps you

00:53:47.460 would like to

00:53:47.900 comment on

00:53:48.360 this,

00:53:48.560 like this

00:53:48.900 sort of

00:53:49.180 tactic of

00:53:49.640 disinformation.

00:53:51.880 Yeah,

00:53:52.260 the thing

00:53:53.080 is,

00:53:53.400 and this

00:53:53.640 is kind

00:53:54.240 of a

00:53:54.540 common

00:53:55.500 practice,

00:53:56.360 is whenever

00:53:56.880 you have

00:53:57.620 a mainstream

00:53:59.680 journalist,

00:54:00.520 especially,

00:54:01.480 that has

00:54:02.980 like,

00:54:03.680 oh,

00:54:03.920 I have my

00:54:04.500 source inside

00:54:05.880 the Pentagon,

00:54:06.640 or I have

00:54:06.980 my source

00:54:07.620 inside CIA,

00:54:09.340 what they'll

00:54:10.440 do commonly

00:54:11.340 is they'll

00:54:11.920 give the

00:54:12.320 journalist real

00:54:13.080 nuggets of

00:54:13.720 information,

00:54:14.760 but mixed

00:54:16.200 in with that

00:54:16.880 is this

00:54:17.460 kind of

00:54:18.140 garbage,

00:54:19.460 like,

00:54:19.680 you know,

00:54:19.880 Blegger

00:54:20.280 keeps talking

00:54:21.100 about,

00:54:21.620 like,

00:54:21.700 and they

00:54:22.020 bring up

00:54:22.360 the shit,

00:54:22.840 what's going

00:54:23.320 on here?

00:54:24.580 Of course

00:54:25.420 that's on

00:54:25.760 purpose,

00:54:26.720 and then

00:54:27.600 it's also

00:54:28.740 because a lot

00:54:29.320 of these

00:54:29.560 people don't

00:54:30.480 have the

00:54:30.880 critical,

00:54:32.340 they're not

00:54:33.300 equipped to

00:54:33.800 think,

00:54:34.120 like,

00:54:34.740 okay,

00:54:35.080 well,

00:54:35.360 is this guy

00:54:35.840 going to

00:54:36.080 tell me

00:54:36.320 the truth?

00:54:37.080 You know,

00:54:37.340 they'll just

00:54:38.060 be like,

00:54:38.660 oh,

00:54:38.860 you're my

00:54:39.180 source inside

00:54:39.880 X,

00:54:40.620 you know,

00:54:41.220 whether it's

00:54:41.900 a government

00:54:42.500 agency or

00:54:43.280 a secret

00:54:43.560 society,

00:54:44.080 and then it's

00:54:44.640 like,

00:54:44.900 oh,

00:54:45.100 well,

00:54:45.420 he's going

00:54:45.820 to give me

00:54:46.300 all the

00:54:46.980 details.

00:54:47.820 No,

00:54:48.220 of course

00:54:48.480 not,

00:54:48.840 you know,

00:54:49.640 so that's

00:54:50.760 why you

00:54:51.200 get,

00:54:51.600 like,

00:54:51.700 a lot of

00:54:52.040 this bullshit,

00:54:54.140 basically,

00:54:54.820 you know,

00:54:55.080 because these

00:54:56.440 people don't,

00:54:57.120 like,

00:54:57.360 examine their

00:54:57.900 own sources,

00:54:58.780 they don't

00:54:59.020 really,

00:54:59.600 they're just

00:55:00.060 so focused

00:55:01.620 on it,

00:55:02.020 they don't

00:55:02.360 think about,

00:55:03.120 like,

00:55:03.280 well,

00:55:03.500 okay,

00:55:03.640 let's actually

00:55:04.340 evaluate what

00:55:05.160 they're giving

00:55:05.520 me.

00:55:06.660 Yeah,

00:55:06.840 and they

00:55:07.100 connect things

00:55:07.820 together that

00:55:08.540 shouldn't be

00:55:09.100 connected or

00:55:09.780 could be

00:55:10.260 explained in a

00:55:10.960 much more

00:55:11.360 simple way.

00:55:12.420 For instance,

00:55:13.240 I think you've

00:55:14.080 all heard of

00:55:14.640 Adam Weishaupt?

00:55:16.120 Yes,

00:55:16.440 Bavarian

00:55:17.260 Illuminati.

00:55:18.800 Well,

00:55:19.360 I'll give you a

00:55:19.800 quick rundown

00:55:20.720 for the

00:55:21.140 audience.

00:55:22.260 Adam Weishaupt

00:55:23.100 was a guy

00:55:24.120 who started

00:55:25.240 the Illuminati.

00:55:26.480 Basically,

00:55:26.980 that's the

00:55:27.360 shortest version,

00:55:28.040 if you want

00:55:28.380 the longer

00:55:28.660 version,

00:55:29.400 or you can

00:55:29.880 Google it.

00:55:30.380 But the

00:55:30.540 thing is,

00:55:30.880 is that he

00:55:31.320 was brought

00:55:31.860 up in a

00:55:32.360 Jesuit school

00:55:33.160 from the

00:55:33.940 age of

00:55:34.300 seven.

00:55:35.980 And they

00:55:36.620 tie that

00:55:37.120 to the

00:55:38.460 Illuminati

00:55:38.960 being a

00:55:39.460 Jesuit

00:55:39.840 conspiracy,

00:55:40.620 even though

00:55:41.080 Jesuit

00:55:41.480 schools were

00:55:42.100 just

00:55:42.300 practiced,

00:55:43.260 and that

00:55:43.660 was just

00:55:44.060 like a

00:55:44.420 boarding

00:55:44.640 school,

00:55:44.980 if you

00:55:45.120 get what I'm

00:55:45.440 saying.

00:55:45.660 One of the

00:55:47.520 biggest things

00:55:47.920 they did

00:55:48.220 was run

00:55:48.640 schools.

00:55:49.240 Still,

00:55:49.640 it's what

00:55:49.840 they do,

00:55:50.300 basically.

00:55:51.440 Yeah,

00:55:51.740 and Weishaupt

00:55:52.360 was totally

00:55:53.380 opposed to

00:55:54.600 any sort

00:55:55.240 of higher

00:55:56.620 transcendent

00:55:57.840 metaphysics.

00:55:58.520 I mean,

00:55:58.940 the reason

00:56:01.280 why the

00:56:02.480 Bavarian

00:56:02.800 Illuminati

00:56:03.180 symbol was

00:56:03.800 actually a

00:56:04.260 bee is

00:56:04.860 because their

00:56:05.580 idea was

00:56:06.740 that they

00:56:06.960 would have

00:56:07.320 this

00:56:07.760 scientific

00:56:08.380 perfect

00:56:08.920 society,

00:56:09.660 like a

00:56:10.520 beehive,

00:56:11.240 where everyone

00:56:11.620 just kind

00:56:12.100 of operates

00:56:13.280 that's

00:56:13.860 tangential.

00:56:14.860 But yeah,

00:56:16.040 Weishaupt

00:56:17.740 is not a

00:56:18.460 Jesuit or

00:56:19.200 a Jesuit

00:56:20.280 provocateur,

00:56:21.900 whatever.

00:56:22.160 I do

00:56:26.440 believe that

00:56:27.040 Weishaupt

00:56:27.540 made a

00:56:28.800 deathbed

00:56:29.140 conversion

00:56:29.600 at the

00:56:29.940 end,

00:56:30.440 but it

00:56:30.920 wasn't

00:56:31.180 until then.

00:56:32.640 Did he?

00:56:32.960 I didn't

00:56:33.240 know.

00:56:34.360 I don't

00:56:35.620 know a ton

00:56:36.700 about the

00:56:37.440 Bavarian

00:56:37.860 Illuminati

00:56:38.480 myself,

00:56:41.080 so yeah,

00:56:41.680 I wouldn't

00:56:42.240 know,

00:56:42.520 but that's

00:56:42.940 interesting.

00:56:43.280 Yeah,

00:56:44.800 the thing

00:56:45.080 is that it

00:56:46.180 died out

00:56:46.900 after a

00:56:47.460 while it

00:56:48.460 became

00:56:48.740 irrelevant,

00:56:49.420 but then

00:56:49.700 people try

00:56:50.560 to think,

00:56:51.560 oh,

00:56:51.820 they went

00:56:52.880 on the

00:56:53.260 ground,

00:56:53.700 lads,

00:56:54.060 they went

00:56:54.440 on the

00:56:54.740 ground,

00:56:55.180 and they

00:56:55.400 bring up

00:56:57.000 all this

00:56:57.280 evidence,

00:56:57.780 but the

00:56:58.000 evidence can

00:56:58.880 be explained

00:56:59.580 in a much

00:57:00.760 simpler way,

00:57:02.480 and I came

00:57:03.640 to that

00:57:03.960 realization a

00:57:04.760 few years

00:57:05.120 ago,

00:57:05.460 and the

00:57:05.740 realization

00:57:06.260 is it's

00:57:07.240 gone

00:57:07.540 expressly.

00:57:10.780 That's

00:57:11.260 kind of

00:57:11.520 another

00:57:11.740 aspect to

00:57:12.520 the

00:57:12.780 you think

00:57:13.380 you know

00:57:13.580 conspiracy

00:57:14.020 theories,

00:57:14.640 you think

00:57:14.840 you know

00:57:15.060 red pills,

00:57:15.580 let me

00:57:15.740 get you

00:57:16.060 the real

00:57:16.860 red pill,

00:57:17.680 alright,

00:57:18.000 World War

00:57:18.400 II,

00:57:18.800 that whole

00:57:19.240 event,

00:57:20.240 after the

00:57:20.760 war,

00:57:21.320 SS got

00:57:22.200 absolved

00:57:22.980 into the

00:57:23.380 CIA,

00:57:24.340 Nazis

00:57:24.660 run the

00:57:25.240 world,

00:57:26.020 that list,

00:57:26.560 that circle

00:57:27.000 of Jews

00:57:27.440 that run

00:57:27.760 the world,

00:57:28.220 guess what,

00:57:28.680 they're all

00:57:29.060 Nazis,

00:57:29.700 and they

00:57:29.860 just want

00:57:30.140 to kill

00:57:30.740 all the

00:57:31.520 minorities,

00:57:32.140 that's why

00:57:32.440 the police

00:57:33.020 are hunting

00:57:33.700 down

00:57:34.020 minorities,

00:57:35.040 rapid

00:57:35.420 gangs,

00:57:36.340 let me

00:57:36.520 tell you,

00:57:37.000 Donald

00:57:37.220 Trump,

00:57:38.500 he's just

00:57:39.340 the

00:57:39.480 wait,

00:57:39.700 hang on a

00:57:40.100 second,

00:57:40.280 Dagon,

00:57:40.920 you're

00:57:41.120 actually

00:57:41.440 hitting on

00:57:41.920 something,

00:57:42.360 a good

00:57:42.680 point,

00:57:43.480 a lot

00:57:44.360 of the

00:57:44.580 SS did

00:57:45.240 actually get

00:57:45.960 subsumed

00:57:46.440 into CIA,

00:57:47.680 OSS,

00:57:48.180 and later

00:57:48.640 CIA,

00:57:49.900 but it's

00:57:50.460 kind of

00:57:50.720 relates back

00:57:51.400 to what

00:57:51.600 Baleguer's

00:57:52.160 saying,

00:57:52.560 is like

00:57:52.920 making

00:57:53.620 connections

00:57:54.240 where there

00:57:54.580 are none,

00:57:55.060 it's like

00:57:56.100 I was

00:57:56.280 saying

00:57:56.440 earlier,

00:57:57.000 these kinds

00:57:58.140 of entities

00:57:58.880 don't,

00:57:59.600 it's like,

00:58:00.080 oh,

00:58:00.580 you were

00:58:01.160 involved in

00:58:02.060 German

00:58:03.940 intelligence

00:58:04.520 in World

00:58:04.900 War II,

00:58:05.580 okay,

00:58:05.860 well,

00:58:06.000 we need

00:58:06.240 to fight

00:58:06.460 the

00:58:06.600 communists,

00:58:07.180 so we'll

00:58:07.900 pardon you,

00:58:08.600 and you

00:58:08.780 can go

00:58:09.220 to South

00:58:09.940 America

00:58:10.340 and torture

00:58:11.340 Marxists

00:58:12.300 down there

00:58:12.700 for us.

00:58:14.160 Yeah,

00:58:14.340 people don't

00:58:14.820 say rockets

00:58:15.520 are evil

00:58:16.540 because they

00:58:17.500 were built

00:58:17.840 by Nazi

00:58:18.940 scientists

00:58:19.460 or something,

00:58:19.980 or they

00:58:20.180 don't say

00:58:20.580 rockets are

00:58:21.300 actually a

00:58:22.060 Nazi

00:58:22.460 thing,

00:58:23.160 and NASA

00:58:23.860 has actually

00:58:24.560 a Nazi

00:58:25.600 conspiracy

00:58:26.260 to kill

00:58:26.880 this and

00:58:27.200 that,

00:58:27.400 no,

00:58:27.600 people don't

00:58:28.020 say that,

00:58:28.460 but you

00:58:29.060 could make

00:58:29.560 the connection

00:58:30.040 if you

00:58:30.440 were a dumb

00:58:31.160 conspiracy

00:58:31.780 theorist.

00:58:32.960 Hey,

00:58:33.440 that would

00:58:33.620 be really

00:58:33.880 cool.

00:58:35.120 Well,

00:58:35.560 actually,

00:58:35.840 that connection

00:58:36.220 has been

00:58:36.600 made,

00:58:36.940 and that's

00:58:37.240 why the

00:58:37.580 Nazis

00:58:37.800 have a

00:58:38.120 moon base

00:58:38.560 that we're

00:58:39.200 never

00:58:39.340 going to

00:58:39.680 go back

00:58:39.980 to,

00:58:40.740 and that's

00:58:41.100 what Armstrong

00:58:42.440 said.

00:58:44.540 Get out of

00:58:45.200 here with this

00:58:45.700 moon base

00:58:46.240 heresy.

00:58:46.960 It's all

00:58:47.500 Newfoundland

00:58:48.560 and Antarctica.

00:58:49.620 Yes,

00:58:49.900 exactly.

00:58:51.180 You're really,

00:58:52.360 you're my

00:58:53.160 orthodox,

00:58:54.560 here is

00:58:55.240 really getting

00:58:56.000 strained.

00:58:57.880 Well,

00:58:58.020 speaking of

00:58:58.500 New Schwabenland

00:58:59.480 and Miguel

00:59:00.720 Sereno and

00:59:01.200 other esoteric

00:59:02.140 topics,

00:59:02.940 what did you

00:59:03.320 have to present

00:59:03.720 for us today,

00:59:04.260 Diego?

00:59:05.620 The esoteric

00:59:06.640 connection,

00:59:07.540 okay,

00:59:07.900 between

00:59:08.180 Friedrich Nietzsche

00:59:08.980 and Elliot

00:59:10.100 Rogers.

00:59:10.820 Wow,

00:59:11.300 that's,

00:59:11.880 probably wouldn't

00:59:13.460 have come up

00:59:13.840 without one

00:59:14.220 on my own,

00:59:14.600 I can tell you

00:59:15.000 that.

00:59:16.220 All right,

00:59:16.760 now I was

00:59:17.120 thinking,

00:59:17.600 I've been

00:59:18.380 really examining

00:59:19.140 Nietzsche

00:59:19.600 from a lot

00:59:20.580 of angles

00:59:21.120 because he's

00:59:21.960 so popular

00:59:22.960 among the

00:59:24.280 early,

00:59:24.860 you know,

00:59:26.780 fascists.

00:59:27.620 I'm like,

00:59:27.980 why?

00:59:28.660 Because ostensibly

00:59:29.500 this guy

00:59:30.520 isn't really

00:59:32.500 right-wing in

00:59:33.700 many respects

00:59:34.360 with a lot

00:59:34.980 of his

00:59:35.300 beliefs that

00:59:37.760 he has,

00:59:38.140 but I'm

00:59:38.340 trying to

00:59:38.720 think of

00:59:39.600 why is he

00:59:40.340 popular among

00:59:41.120 like Julius

00:59:41.800 Avala and

00:59:43.040 why is

00:59:43.620 Mussolini like

00:59:44.480 a hardcore

00:59:45.080 Nietzschean?

00:59:45.720 And so

00:59:47.420 I found

00:59:48.260 the connection.

00:59:49.500 It's in a

00:59:50.380 similar way

00:59:50.840 that we like

00:59:51.360 Elliot Rogers.

00:59:52.520 We think

00:59:53.080 Elliot Rogers

00:59:53.700 has some

00:59:54.100 good ideas

00:59:54.660 with his

00:59:54.980 YouTube videos

00:59:55.860 and he

00:59:56.360 can examine

00:59:57.360 the thought

00:59:58.760 issue,

00:59:59.300 the thought

00:59:59.660 question.

01:00:00.960 And he

01:00:02.220 eventually

01:00:02.680 goes off

01:00:03.600 and gets

01:00:04.520 the high

01:00:04.940 score.

01:00:06.720 Peace be

01:00:07.480 upon him.

01:00:08.520 May he

01:00:08.860 rest forever.

01:00:10.780 And the

01:00:11.700 thing was...

01:00:12.500 Look,

01:00:12.840 murder is

01:00:13.180 still sinful?

01:00:13.960 Just a

01:00:14.280 disclaimer to

01:00:14.780 the audience.

01:00:15.180 That's

01:00:15.700 probably not

01:00:16.520 good.

01:00:17.600 Thought

01:00:17.940 killing?

01:00:18.540 I think

01:00:18.820 that's a

01:00:19.280 a priori

01:00:20.600 moral good.

01:00:22.200 I will

01:00:22.660 condone it.

01:00:25.660 Florian is

01:00:26.300 our theologian.

01:00:27.120 You could

01:00:27.360 probably clear

01:00:27.840 that up

01:00:28.140 better than

01:00:28.420 I could.

01:00:29.360 Sorry,

01:00:29.980 Dagon,

01:00:30.280 continue.

01:00:31.380 Nietzsche,

01:00:32.220 if you

01:00:32.500 look at

01:00:33.160 him,

01:00:33.480 he follows

01:00:34.100 a similar

01:00:34.480 path as

01:00:35.020 Elliot Rogers

01:00:35.640 does.

01:00:36.620 In the

01:00:37.000 beginning of

01:00:37.420 Elliot Rogers

01:00:38.040 videos,

01:00:38.600 he'll be

01:00:38.840 like,

01:00:39.260 what a

01:00:39.880 beautiful

01:00:40.260 view.

01:00:41.540 Similar

01:00:41.920 to the

01:00:42.800 front cover

01:00:43.920 of Thus

01:00:44.480 spake the

01:00:45.100 Zarathustra,

01:00:46.140 a beautiful

01:00:46.760 view and

01:00:47.380 a man

01:00:47.800 looking out,

01:00:48.640 but the

01:00:48.960 man is

01:00:49.260 alone,

01:00:50.100 as Nietzsche

01:00:50.700 and Elliot

01:00:51.280 Rogers are

01:00:52.260 alone.

01:00:53.720 Nietzsche

01:00:54.000 goes on to

01:00:54.920 say things

01:00:55.500 like,

01:00:55.860 life is not

01:00:56.960 worth living

01:00:57.740 if you're not

01:00:58.300 dancing and

01:00:59.100 making love

01:00:59.740 and such

01:01:01.440 other things.

01:01:02.100 Elliot Rogers

01:01:02.700 goes on to

01:01:03.180 say,

01:01:03.640 why was I

01:01:05.100 not invited

01:01:05.640 to a party?

01:01:06.440 I wish I

01:01:06.840 could just

01:01:07.120 go to a

01:01:07.540 party.

01:01:08.400 I wish I

01:01:08.800 could be a

01:01:10.260 normal person.

01:01:10.980 So they

01:01:12.360 go on,

01:01:13.200 and then

01:01:13.480 they eventually

01:01:13.940 turn to

01:01:14.560 a nihilism.

01:01:14.660 Wanting to

01:01:15.120 be normie?

01:01:17.600 They eventually

01:01:18.420 turn to

01:01:21.460 a kind of

01:01:22.080 nihilism

01:01:22.560 where Nietzsche,

01:01:23.480 as his life

01:01:24.120 goes on,

01:01:24.920 and he

01:01:25.240 isn't getting

01:01:26.020 laid,

01:01:26.460 he only,

01:01:27.080 you know,

01:01:27.540 pussy he gets

01:01:28.180 as a

01:01:28.700 prostitute,

01:01:29.640 and he gets

01:01:30.020 syphilis from

01:01:31.000 it.

01:01:32.520 And he

01:01:34.460 goes on to

01:01:34.960 be like,

01:01:35.260 nothing matters,

01:01:36.160 nothing matters,

01:01:37.040 and he makes

01:01:37.520 his emo

01:01:38.140 posts.

01:01:38.600 He's like,

01:01:39.180 nothing matters

01:01:39.840 anymore.

01:01:40.320 All that

01:01:40.980 matters is

01:01:41.820 blah,

01:01:42.140 blah,

01:01:42.260 blah.

01:01:42.780 And then

01:01:43.060 Elliot Rogers,

01:01:44.020 you know,

01:01:44.340 he,

01:01:44.740 Elliot Rogers

01:01:45.300 eventually gets

01:01:45.900 red-pilled on

01:01:46.640 the old

01:01:46.960 interracial couple

01:01:47.880 issue,

01:01:48.720 and he develops

01:01:49.320 a hatred

01:01:49.740 for them,

01:01:50.440 but then he

01:01:51.000 starts just

01:01:51.480 feeling an

01:01:51.960 apathy towards

01:01:52.880 the world,

01:01:53.400 that nothing

01:01:53.860 matters anymore.

01:01:55.300 You know,

01:01:55.680 it's just he,

01:01:56.720 if he can't

01:01:57.200 have what he

01:01:57.740 desires,

01:01:58.760 then nothing

01:01:59.340 matters.

01:01:59.840 He's recognized

01:02:00.760 what it is to

01:02:01.840 be an overman,

01:02:02.940 but he doesn't

01:02:03.480 have what it

01:02:03.920 takes to be

01:02:04.480 an overman.

01:02:05.660 And so he

01:02:06.140 ends up dying,

01:02:07.060 though.

01:02:07.280 Nietzsche dies

01:02:08.560 in a catatonic

01:02:09.440 state after

01:02:10.160 watching a

01:02:10.600 horse being

01:02:11.200 beaten to

01:02:11.640 death and

01:02:11.980 saying,

01:02:12.300 I understand

01:02:12.860 you,

01:02:13.940 symbolic of

01:02:14.800 his life.

01:02:15.880 And then

01:02:16.480 Elliot Rogers

01:02:17.480 died in

01:02:18.080 Gloria Smarter

01:02:18.780 Dog.

01:02:21.220 How is this

01:02:21.840 a conspiracy?

01:02:24.740 I like to

01:02:26.620 think it's,

01:02:27.580 this is

01:02:28.600 solar truth

01:02:29.820 distilled

01:02:30.300 down.

01:02:31.780 Oh,

01:02:32.400 so this is

01:02:32.760 like,

01:02:33.640 you're telling

01:02:34.080 me that they

01:02:34.560 both conformed

01:02:35.380 to the same

01:02:36.080 primordial

01:02:36.760 cosmic archetype.

01:02:38.020 Well,

01:02:39.480 so wait,

01:02:39.920 hold on,

01:02:40.180 hold on.

01:02:40.860 Are you even

01:02:41.380 maybe suggesting

01:02:42.020 that Elliot Rogers

01:02:42.920 is the

01:02:43.340 reincarnation of

01:02:44.220 Frederick

01:02:44.500 Nietzsche?

01:02:45.400 Oh,

01:02:46.240 it could be

01:02:46.820 possible.

01:02:47.820 I think

01:02:48.320 many a man

01:02:49.320 has taken up

01:02:50.060 the archetype.

01:02:50.740 I don't know

01:02:50.960 if you'd want

01:02:51.280 to say it's

01:02:51.620 reincarnation,

01:02:52.980 or just,

01:02:54.060 I mean,

01:02:54.760 you can see the

01:02:55.580 similarities between

01:02:56.480 Napoleon and

01:02:57.220 Hitler.

01:02:57.840 Do you think

01:02:58.160 there are any

01:02:58.660 gods that embody

01:02:59.880 this kind of

01:03:00.640 beta uprising

01:03:01.980 archetype?

01:03:02.500 The beta

01:03:05.800 uprising,

01:03:06.620 I think,

01:03:07.080 it has no

01:03:08.660 gods.

01:03:09.700 They were

01:03:10.280 casted down

01:03:11.080 from Olympus

01:03:11.940 in a way,

01:03:13.060 and they seek

01:03:13.540 to get back

01:03:14.140 to the eternal

01:03:14.700 party that was

01:03:15.500 Olympus.

01:03:16.600 Who's the guy

01:03:17.280 in Greek mythology

01:03:17.940 that steals food

01:03:19.020 from the gods

01:03:19.540 table and is

01:03:20.220 then cursed?

01:03:21.380 I'd say that's

01:03:22.020 them.

01:03:23.280 That's the beta

01:03:23.920 uprising.

01:03:25.140 It goes all

01:03:25.800 the way back

01:03:26.280 to Greek mythology.

01:03:26.860 Beta road war.

01:03:27.840 Mad Max,

01:03:31.980 Elliot Rogers,

01:03:32.960 Friedrich Nietzsche,

01:03:34.060 they're all the

01:03:34.920 same.

01:03:36.000 You'd say it's

01:03:36.840 a recurrence

01:03:37.960 of aspects.

01:03:40.460 Similar to

01:03:41.280 Wotan being

01:03:42.300 Hitler possessing

01:03:44.060 Wotan-like

01:03:44.960 abilities and

01:03:49.200 being an

01:03:50.460 archetype of

01:03:51.600 that.

01:03:53.280 Wow.

01:03:54.140 Thank you

01:03:54.780 very much for

01:03:55.420 the...

01:03:56.160 I never would

01:03:57.180 have come to

01:03:57.700 this conclusion

01:03:58.140 myself,

01:03:58.680 but we're

01:03:58.880 at the top

01:03:59.240 of the hour.

01:04:00.040 So we're

01:04:00.360 going to take

01:04:00.640 a short

01:04:00.960 break and

01:04:01.660 come back

01:04:02.080 to you with

01:04:02.440 more spooky

01:04:03.780 and esoteric

01:04:04.460 shitposting

01:04:05.120 very soon.

01:04:06.540 and they're

01:04:22.260 now.

01:04:26.560 Ayigiri Nandini Nandita Medini, Vishwa Vinodini, Nandanute,

01:04:34.400 Nivivalavindyashirudini, Vaasini, Vishnu Vilasini, Jishnu Nute,

01:04:41.560 Bhagavati Veshiti Kanta Putumbini, Puri Putumbini, Puri Krte,

01:04:48.560 Jaya Jaya He Mahishasura Vartini, Rambyaka Vartini, Shaila Sute,

01:04:56.560 Suravara Varsini, Durdhara Varsini, Durmukha Varsini Varsarate,

01:05:08.560 Jiguvana Varsini, Shankara Varsini, Kalmash Varsini Varsarate,

01:05:15.560 Tanujani Roshini, Dvidisuta Roshini, Durmada Shoshini, Sintu Sute,

01:05:23.560 Jaya Jaya He Mahishasura Vartini, Rambyaka Vartini, Shaila Sute,

01:05:31.560 Vajjaga Dambama Dambaka Dambama Vana Priya Varsini, Hasa Rate,

01:05:42.560 Shikarishiromani, Tunga Himalaya, Shangani Jalaya Madhyagate,

01:05:50.560 Madhu Mathure, Madhu Gaitabha Ganyjini, Gaitabha Vartini, Rasa Rate,

01:05:58.560 Jaya Jaya He Mahishasura Vartini, Rambyaka Vartini, Shaila Sute,

01:06:06.560 Vajshatahandavi Gandita, Rundhavi Kundita ShundagajAnecessam

01:06:10.560 Aishat khandavi khandita rundavi kundita shundagajadhipate

01:06:29.060 Vribugajagandavi dharanachandaparakramashundamrgadhipate

01:06:36.560 Nijabuja dandani padita khandavi padita mundaparadhipate

01:06:44.560 Jaya jaya he mahishasur marti niramya kaparthi nishailasute

01:06:52.060 Aira nadurmadashatruvadhodita durdhara nirjara shakti vrte

01:07:03.560 Jatura vichara durena maha shiva dhutakrita pramathadhipate

01:07:10.560 Dhurita dhurihadurashaya dhurmati dhanavadutakritaantamate

01:07:18.560 Jaya jaya he mahishasur marti niramya kaparthi nishailasute

01:07:26.560 Vraishishar naganata vyriva jhubar above jerabarabayadaya kalhe

01:07:34.560 Dhuva namas issta kushulabhirodhi shirodhi krta mahla shoola karhe

01:07:37.560 Welcome back to part two of

01:08:07.260 Mysterium Fashi's Ario Occult Mysterium Theater 1488.

01:08:11.640 Thank you for listening on into the second hour. We're glad to have you back.

01:08:15.780 We're going to continue our discussion with a topic I'm sure

01:08:19.180 everybody is eager to hear about, and at least tangentially

01:08:23.580 familiar with, and that's esoteric hitlerism.

01:08:26.940 So we have a few people here that are fairly knowledgeable on this subject,

01:08:31.080 but we'll take it to Dagon first. So Dagon,

01:08:34.160 in its core, what is esoteric hitlerism?

01:08:38.880 It is the belief that national socialism was always

01:08:42.780 something more than a political philosophy.

01:08:46.160 It was a worldview created. It was

01:08:49.460 the era from which it comes is the new mythos.

01:08:54.920 Viewing the world in cyclic ages, the

01:08:57.620 Kali Yuga is coming to an end, and a new mythos

01:09:02.120 has been created for which the Golden Age

01:09:04.860 shall have its vision of, as the

01:09:07.800 we have the vision of Wotan, or Ares, or

01:09:11.820 you know, Thor, you know, Freya,

01:09:14.240 all these kind of things, you know, just mixing.

01:09:16.540 They're all, they all stem from one singular

01:09:19.500 you know, event, you know, that was a world-changing

01:09:24.540 epoch, and they all have the aspects of the

01:09:27.980 spiritual truths within them, and they, the solar rays

01:09:31.240 extend out, and as time has gone on, the solar rays

01:09:34.620 have become more and more distorted.

01:09:36.560 So you're telling me that esoteric hitlers believe that the

01:09:40.180 events of the National Socialist German Workers' Party

01:09:42.680 in the 1930s and 40s represent the revelation of cosmic

01:09:46.600 archetypes that set the core mythos for the coming

01:09:49.360 age to be?

01:09:51.100 I mean, what other era had, like, as many

01:09:54.740 impressive figures within, you know?

01:09:58.860 Within a certain era of history, nobody remembers

01:10:01.680 Napoleon's, you know, side generals, his

01:10:05.060 understaff, but, you know, his, you know,

01:10:08.800 Adolf Hitler, his understaff, and the men that worked

01:10:11.600 around him, were men of, uh, as almost equal to him

01:10:17.760 in their characters, and the different aspects with

01:10:20.660 which they took on, uh, and the, you know, if you

01:10:25.120 look, you know, Adolf Hitler representing, uh, Wotong,

01:10:28.900 you know, you have Heinrich Himmler, who represents

01:10:31.120 the more, in Aries, a more warlike and or violent

01:10:35.120 version of, um, who believes that the solar

01:10:39.660 truce should be spread through violence

01:10:41.500 and, you know, the police state that he sought

01:10:44.880 to create, but, uh, did not create immediately

01:10:47.140 for various reasons.

01:10:47.720 So, under this schema, uh, and I know that this

01:10:52.100 is what was proposed by, um, what's that, uh,

01:10:55.880 esoteric cat lady's name?

01:10:57.620 Savitri Devi.

01:10:58.380 Savitri Devi.

01:10:59.880 That, uh, Adolf Hitler represents the divine

01:11:03.500 personality, the cosmic archetype of leadership,

01:11:06.580 which she interprets as Vishnu, and Adolf Hitler,

01:11:09.160 because of the immensity and power of his

01:11:12.020 movement, uh, and the purity of his, uh,

01:11:16.460 spiritual character, is, in fact, the ninth

01:11:19.720 incarnation, the ninth avatar of Vishnu.

01:11:22.320 Oh, please, go on, explain.

01:11:23.940 Um, it's not just the ninth avatar, it's, it's

01:11:26.160 the one that is kind of a herald to the final

01:11:29.220 one, the tenth one, Kalki, who will bring an end

01:11:31.700 to the Kalyugan reinstall, uh, order.

01:11:33.920 Yeah, uh, I believe it's in Hindu mythology that the

01:11:39.020 ninth, like, the avatars of Vishnu, uh, are various

01:11:42.600 forms of animals leading up to a man.

01:11:45.440 The tenth avatar of Vishnu is a man.

01:11:48.140 Um, and the ninth avatar is kind of like a half-man,

01:11:52.080 half-beast being.

01:11:53.240 So, it, it's partially what it is, but it's not

01:11:55.760 fully represented.

01:11:56.760 So, it's, it's the closest vision of truth we can

01:12:00.160 get until we come to the epoch that, uh,

01:12:03.780 destroys the Kalyugan and reinstates the age of

01:12:06.760 truth.

01:12:07.560 Now, as kind of an aside, isn't it not true that

01:12:11.080 one of the incarnations of the avatar of Vishnu

01:12:13.540 is literally an axe?

01:12:17.180 I believe so.

01:12:18.960 That's the, like, sixth incarnation.

01:12:21.280 Parashumara.

01:12:22.440 Parashurama.

01:12:24.280 Hmm.

01:12:24.760 Anyway, but go on.

01:12:26.540 Sorry, that was, uh, tangential.

01:12:27.660 I've always thought it was interesting when gods

01:12:29.260 incarnate as salmon and axes.

01:12:31.920 Well, we have, of course, the, uh, in the, in the,

01:12:34.300 in the many European myths, the axis is central to

01:12:38.760 gods, and, um, there's even, uh, some theories

01:12:41.660 I've read that, uh, that it later involved into, uh,

01:12:44.240 hammer.

01:12:44.980 So that, um, for instance, the Finnish echo, the

01:12:48.200 Germanic donor of the Nordic, um, Thorpe, all come

01:12:52.220 from the same axe figures that could perhaps tie

01:12:56.720 into, um, what, uh, was said earlier, um, that, uh, you

01:13:01.000 know, the archetypes that were, um, that's made up, you, um, I

01:13:05.560 recall the myths of, um, of, um, the, uh, coming age, if you

01:13:09.260 get what I'm saying.

01:13:09.860 So that the avatar of, uh, Vishnu that was an axe could

01:13:14.680 also, uh, refer to one of those characters.

01:13:17.860 So the major authors that propose this idea, this

01:13:21.060 esoteric Hitlerism, are Debbie and Sereno, right?

01:13:24.700 Uh, Alfred Rosenberg as well.

01:13:27.180 Rosenberg was a Hitlerist.

01:13:29.060 Yeah.

01:13:29.960 He's, like, a proto-Hitlerist, because he's killed at the

01:13:32.640 Nuremberg trials, but he is totally, like, this is the,

01:13:37.100 uh, this is the, gonna be the, he's, he's, in a way, he

01:13:41.440 doesn't get into the whole, uh, you know, Savitri

01:13:44.720 never gets into the whole 9th, 10th.

01:13:46.580 The 9th is a, um, kind of opaque, um, kind of dulled

01:13:52.540 vision of what the 10th is.

01:13:54.840 I mean, you think about how, how impressive the Third

01:13:58.240 Reich was comparing that, but that's only in one nation.

01:14:02.220 But the myth of the 20th century is deliberately trying

01:14:05.400 to set up a sort of mythic ideal for the, for the

01:14:08.540 coming Reich.

01:14:09.280 That's, that's the whole title of it.

01:14:10.600 This is the myth of the 20th century.

01:14:12.560 This is the mythos that is going to be created.

01:14:16.320 That this is, I mean, a great life, and that is, uh,

01:14:20.000 the great, the First World War was an epoch that tore

01:14:23.120 open our veins and spilled our blood, and we saw within

01:14:26.640 our blood what was true.

01:14:28.480 Um, you know, and so, when you've got these powers that

01:14:35.020 just degradated the world down to, um, you know, through

01:14:39.520 the First World War, it got everyone, it got the national

01:14:44.120 socialists and the original inner circle specifically, they

01:14:47.560 realized what, what was of value, what still holds up when

01:14:53.460 your nation has been so in decline, and you're impoverished,

01:14:57.920 and you're without anything, what do you still have, and what

01:15:02.660 makes you, you?

01:15:05.320 And so, Alfred Rosenberg, that, Alfred Rosenberg, you know,

01:15:09.440 suffered immensely with, he was a Russian, he was a German

01:15:12.660 living in Russia, and he ends up going through the Russian

01:15:15.940 Revolution, fleeing to Germany, and then joining the National

01:15:19.340 Socialists there.

01:15:20.340 Uh, he's the interim leader of the NSDAP while Hitler is

01:15:24.660 imprisoned, uh, and his book is so controversial in Germany

01:15:28.700 that only Himmler and a few others are willing to say that

01:15:32.000 they, they had read it.

01:15:33.440 The other ones are like, uh, no, no, I didn't get around to

01:15:36.260 that one, because it's just, it's a controversial work for

01:15:40.280 the time, that this is, you know, with one thing with the

01:15:45.920 Indian, going back to the Indian thing, how they have the

01:15:48.220 acts, whereas the other European countries, uh, have the

01:15:51.340 various visions of, like, you know, the Muldir, and, you

01:15:54.840 know, the different ones, that are incarnations of that same

01:15:58.800 being, uh, that same spirit, is, uh, Rosenberg gets into the,

01:16:05.000 the, when the Aryan split happens, and the Aryans, uh, some group

01:16:09.700 of Aryans go to, uh, Iran, uh, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and then

01:16:15.000 India, and then other ones go to Europe, is that the ones that

01:16:18.920 go to, uh, the East are far more concerned with, like, uh, spiritual,

01:16:25.300 just kind of enlightenment and spiritual contemplation.

01:16:30.020 And so, their mythos is better preserved, but, ultimately, they

01:16:37.200 decline racially, uh, because they're, they're, they're...

01:16:41.800 Could you, uh, repeat yourself there, Dagon?

01:16:53.140 Hello?

01:16:53.820 Hello, sir?

01:16:54.600 Hello?

01:16:54.860 Hello?

01:16:56.860 Insert X-Files music here.

01:16:58.740 Sorry about that.

01:17:02.240 Sorry, it sounded like somebody, uh, just, uh, came in your room and

01:17:04.900 smashed your microphone or something, perhaps?

01:17:07.660 Oh.

01:17:08.240 Um, so the, uh, Serrano, he gets into that, or not Serrano, um, Rosenberg.

01:17:17.040 So Rosenberg gets into that the East, they end up declining racially

01:17:20.760 from the, you know, Aryan, Brahma, and upper class that they have,

01:17:24.720 but they, they subjugate the, you know, uh, negroid races that live in their

01:17:28.980 countries, but they ultimately decline and they fall into racial degeneration,

01:17:33.780 which, uh, Rosenberg's whole thing that all, uh, all reasons that empires fall

01:17:39.380 and people's decline is to racial degeneration.

01:17:42.060 Like, the reason Rome, uh, cannot produce, you know, Rome as it was is because, you know,

01:17:48.880 Semites and, you know, other peoples lived there now, you know, the Romans are gone

01:17:52.900 as they were.

01:17:55.200 So you're telling me Italians aren't white?

01:17:59.140 Rose, that would be Rosenberg's thing.

01:18:00.900 Yeah.

01:18:02.100 No, that's, that's, uh, quite interesting.

01:18:04.440 So, so Rosenberg kind of goes from this...

01:18:06.580 Yeah, basically just a Negro, I guess.

01:18:08.480 There's a difference between Mussolini and, like, Sicilians, I'm going to tell you that.

01:18:15.840 Yeah.

01:18:16.300 Northern Italians look pretty...

01:18:17.940 Hell yeah, not Sicilian.

01:18:19.580 Well, many Northern Italians are, uh, Lombard Germanics, so...

01:18:22.660 Yeah, they're, it's a, but the original race that made up Rome was gone.

01:18:26.460 Well, the, the, the racial degeneration doesn't necessarily mean miscigenation or, or outbreeding.

01:18:33.860 It could also be a sort of spiritual degeneration.

01:18:36.620 Mmm.

01:18:37.060 Well, fornication is a really good example of this.

01:18:40.780 Because you'll have the, if you have, um, lack of sexual ethics inside of your society,

01:18:45.540 naturally the, kind of, lowest tier people in your society will incage in a lot of fornication

01:18:50.380 and produce poor offspring.

01:18:52.120 And the, any genetic potential of your offspring will be, um, severely damaged by the environmental,

01:18:58.540 uh...

01:18:58.560 Well, it really makes sense.

01:19:00.560 That actually really makes sense because, like, if you look at my people, for an example,

01:19:04.960 like, my people looks beautiful.

01:19:06.500 We are probably some of the most beautiful people in the world.

01:19:08.480 And it's funny how more down south you go, the uglier, like, you will become.

01:19:13.200 Because, like, Sicilians are very ugly people.

01:19:15.260 So you're telling me that the ones who are south are more degenerated.

01:19:20.340 That must mean the ones that are north are higher caste.

01:19:22.820 So are you saying that Swedes and Norwegians, because they're further north, are higher tier

01:19:27.340 than Danes and Utes?

01:19:29.360 Uh, mountains don't mean anything.

01:19:32.680 Uh, because, like, that's not a follow- that's not really an argument.

01:19:35.600 Because, like, in Italy, right?

01:19:37.180 They have- they have mountains as well.

01:19:39.080 And they still, like- they look like-

01:19:40.820 Like, a lot of South and Europeans look like- that they're, like, used to be, like,

01:19:44.340 this type of monkey breed in the area.

01:19:46.440 And they just started to fuck the monkeys.

01:19:48.240 And that's why they look so fucking disgusting.

01:19:50.720 That's your- your particular theory as to, uh-

01:19:53.960 Uh, well, yes.

01:19:54.740 It looks like they- they started to breed with animals in the area.

01:19:57.520 Yes.

01:19:58.220 Hmm.

01:19:59.420 Well, I mean, Rome's history, its entire history, is the conflict-

01:20:04.220 the racial conflict on the peninsula.

01:20:06.560 In that the original rulers of Rome were Etruscans, who were a Semitic people.

01:20:12.500 And were eventually overthrown by the Romans.

01:20:15.260 Uh, the Romans, though, set up a republic, uh, because they feel that the issue-

01:20:20.980 they- they probably recognize the issue as the Etruscans, but the Etruscans ruled for

01:20:24.700 kingship, and so they don't want any of the kind of systems that the Etruscans had, so

01:20:29.680 they set up a republic, which the republic works for a while, but it doesn't work.

01:20:34.660 They- they conquer foreign lands and allow those people to come in and replace them.

01:20:40.960 And even if they are Aryans, they are not the Romans.

01:20:43.880 And so there is then conflict with them, and the Etruscans then feed off of that conflict

01:20:49.400 and create, uh, strife in between the Romans and their slaves.

01:20:56.040 And eventually the Romans allow intermarriages between the patrician and the plebeian classes,

01:21:01.220 and it's all over from there to the point that the last so-called Roman emperor of Rome

01:21:06.160 was a Germanic.

01:21:08.120 So, kind of moving back to the topic of esoteric Hitlerism, it seems like Rosenberg's- Rosenberg's

01:21:16.540 understanding of the era was, you know, mythic, but it wasn't necessarily theological.

01:21:22.440 Whereas Devi and Sereno make the jump to say that these are in- you know, these personalities

01:21:27.460 are in fact manifestations of the divine, and that they're basically small g-gods, and

01:21:34.700 they, you know, worshipped them, formally speaking.

01:21:37.400 Well, of course, so, uh, Rosenberg probably isn't gonna make that connection, though there

01:21:42.840 is evidence to believe that he did actually believe that Hitler was, like, possessed by

01:21:46.980 Wotan.

01:21:48.160 Uh, and, you know, it's- and for various other things, but it's not gonna be like, all of us

01:21:55.300 that, uh, are in power now, we are actually gods.

01:21:58.060 That would be very, uh, pompous of him, to say the least, and he's not gonna do that.

01:22:03.620 Yeah, indeed.

01:22:04.320 But my question is, so, esoteric Hitlerism seems mostly just a set of theological opinions.

01:22:10.780 Like, are there- it's not really, um, are, uh, there's not even really cultic activity

01:22:15.220 surrounding it, is there?

01:22:17.240 No, it lacks that.

01:22:18.380 Uh, what do you mean in the sense of cultic activity?

01:22:23.900 Well, I mean, are there groups of people that make sacrifices to, uh, pictures of Hitler?

01:22:29.880 Alba.

01:22:31.640 Yes, but Alba is just a dumb Annapolis Valley Nova Scotian who doesn't know anything about

01:22:36.620 real religion.

01:22:38.500 But I'm talking about, like, actual organized and organic cults, because there are- sociologically

01:22:43.040 there's three markers of a religion.

01:22:44.920 It's a creed, cult, and constitution, basically.

01:22:48.380 And so you have to have a sort of set of overarching ethics and way of proceeding that's associated

01:22:53.240 with your spiritual worldview.

01:22:54.740 You have to have a cult, like, so, a cultic activity where you engage in liturgy and sacrifice

01:22:59.080 and prayer and this kind of stuff.

01:23:01.060 And you have to have, like, a constitution or a normative set of, um, delineating lines

01:23:08.000 as to what your, uh, what your religion actually is and where it begins.

01:23:12.900 And sacrifice there is, is, is really an important delineating factor.

01:23:19.560 That's why a charitable view of Protestantism is that they're, they're not actually, um,

01:23:25.500 they're not actually committing blasphemy because they don't actually make a sacrifice.

01:23:30.180 Yeah, exactly.

01:23:31.860 The, they don't actually engage in any sacrilegious action.

01:23:35.000 And that's, uh, I mean, a Protestant prayer, a Protestant Sunday church meeting is just people

01:23:39.340 praying.

01:23:40.460 Whereas if you go to a Catholic or an Orthodox church, they are making a sacrifice.

01:23:44.880 Uh, and Jesus Christ himself shows up during the Mass.

01:23:47.840 So, but I think that that's an essential thing to understand is universally in all kind of

01:23:53.040 primordial religion, there is this concept of the sacrifice.

01:23:55.560 That's what a priest does, in fact.

01:23:57.320 A priest offers sacrifice on behalf of the people.

01:24:00.520 Islam and Judaism do not have sacrifice anymore.

01:24:03.800 Although Old Covenant, uh, Hebrews, of course, had a Levitical priesthood that offered physical

01:24:08.000 sacrifice in the temple.

01:24:10.600 And we see this even in Hinduism where that was the job.

01:24:13.300 If you, in a rural context where Hinduism was most, um, often practiced, that, the natural

01:24:18.440 setting, the village priest is the, the, basically the leader of the community and the most important

01:24:22.780 man, because he offers sacrifices to the gods on behalf of the community.

01:24:26.860 He, um, he presents the offerings to Agni, to the great, you know, fire, the primordial

01:24:33.440 source of all life.

01:24:35.440 Well, there's one thing that, um, did kind of come out of it and it's called Bortanism.

01:24:40.560 And, um, well, um, main writers behind it is David Lane.

01:24:44.540 And, um, he takes a lot of inspiration from Serrano.

01:24:47.920 And, um, if I'm not mistaken, Serrano even contributed to it, because I'm not entirely

01:24:52.520 sure about that.

01:24:53.620 But there have been groups that have, um, integrated, um, some parts of Serrano into their, uh,

01:24:58.520 cultic practice.

01:24:59.420 Uh, for instance, Bortanism, which is kind of, um, uh, kind of like neo-paganism, um, the

01:25:05.120 Germanic version mixed with the, uh, esoteric Hitlerism, um, aspects from it.

01:25:11.460 It has, of course, um, the cultic activity of, um, just, uh, paganism.

01:25:23.220 But are they, are they actually making sacrifices, I think is the key question.

01:25:27.420 Yeah, well, um, as far as, uh, I've seen, I've seen that, uh, some of them do, um, in

01:25:32.740 the way as, uh, you know, more the also through, or the, you know, the, uh, Germanic pagans

01:25:37.960 do, but they've integrated parts of, um, Serrano's writing into their belief system.

01:25:45.420 The issue here in your understanding of, uh, religion is you're trying to fit it into

01:25:52.020 a more Christian definition.

01:25:53.900 No, not even a Christian definition.

01:25:55.620 I mean, if we look at, um, if we look at, let's say, even, uh, Shintoism.

01:26:00.940 Well, Shintoism, um, it, it, uh, expresses all three of these traits.

01:26:05.920 There's cultic activity associated with the worship of the ancestors and with the spirits.

01:26:09.900 There are temples and shrines where people train.

01:26:12.560 There's a creed in the sense that there's a formal ethic as to how one who's engaging

01:26:16.980 in the Shinto lifestyle ought to live.

01:26:18.900 But Shido is a sub-manifestation of this.

01:26:21.180 And then we've got, like, a constitution in the sense that it's easy, you know, we know

01:26:26.100 what Shintoism is formally, uh, that separates it from regular Mahayana Buddhism, right?

01:26:33.280 There's very specific, um, you know, factors.

01:26:36.580 And so all of these, you know, and that's-

01:26:38.900 I mean, even in the Buddhist example, it's, it's, there's still, you still have those aspects.

01:26:43.920 Like, even though the Buddha himself never really established a formal religion since then-

01:26:50.400 It's just a, it's really a monastic order.

01:26:51.800 Right, but since then there, there is these, you know, aspects to it of the cultic activity

01:26:57.380 and making a sacrifice.

01:26:59.840 So, I, I guess it's kind of one of those universal kind of forms.

01:27:04.160 Probably the difference being is that, uh, the, the ones you're referencing are thousands

01:27:10.720 of people, and the one we're referencing came about within the past, uh, 90 years or so.

01:27:18.820 Well, sure, but there are, I mean, there are relatively modern religions that engage in

01:27:22.440 all three of these actions.

01:27:23.420 Like, we can look at, um, uh, Jehovah's Witnesses as-

01:27:26.580 None of them are being hunted down by and thrown in prison by the government, as in the

01:27:30.320 case of David Lane or Savitri W.

01:27:32.840 Fair enough.

01:27:33.900 My point is merely that I think the confusion in a lot of people's minds when they encounter

01:27:37.840 esoteric Hitlerism is it's like, even if you accept that this is, like, a legitimate,

01:27:42.500 like, uh, logical system that people subscribe to, is that there's no actual, like, expression

01:27:49.360 or no implementation of these ideas in the real world.

01:27:53.620 And that's the thing, is that it really just seems to me to be an abstract theological position

01:27:58.340 that you kind of hold to substantiate your ideology and your worldview with no actual cultic

01:28:03.180 practices.

01:28:04.480 And, I mean-

01:28:04.800 It's a thing that people do on the internet, basically.

01:28:06.660 Right.

01:28:07.480 And I think that it's like, well, you know, the question is not the legitimacy of the

01:28:12.160 doctrine.

01:28:12.520 There are loads of religions that are, like, or the truthfulness of the doctrine.

01:28:16.000 There are loads of religions that are legitimate.

01:28:17.860 They are real religions that are untrue.

01:28:20.040 But they all engage in specific-

01:28:23.200 The biggest thing is cultic activity.

01:28:25.080 You didn't even really need a creator of a constitution.

01:28:27.520 I mean, in ancient Rome, for instance, um, the ethics were a very small part of being-

01:28:32.780 of engaging in the Roman religion.

01:28:34.140 Like, the only real thing that was necessary was the virtue of Piatas.

01:28:38.460 And so, but they had a- you know, you could say, well, they had a religion.

01:28:42.900 We know what it looks like.

01:28:43.860 We know what its offices are.

01:28:45.080 We know what cultic activity they engaged in.

01:28:47.480 And so, even with modern Diasatru, well, I have a little- the ones that engage in cultic

01:28:52.320 activity, I mean, I have a little bit of respect for them because their religion is

01:28:54.880 kind of contrived and bullshit.

01:28:56.180 But at least, you know, they make sacrifices and they gather with their fellows and they,

01:29:01.320 you know, tell songs and they have a- a worldview that they try to adhere to and an ethic that

01:29:06.120 they cleave to.

01:29:07.040 But the thing is, is with Hitlerism, well, you can maybe argue that there's a certain

01:29:10.120 ethic that stands behind this sort of, um, cosmology, but there's no cultic activity,

01:29:15.960 which is the most important thing.

01:29:17.180 Well, perhaps you could argue that it's kind of an adult.

01:29:22.860 It's, uh, like I was saying earlier that some Orsatruists could have it as an adult, um,

01:29:27.880 that they would engage in the cultic activity of Orsatru.

01:29:31.060 Well, if that was the case, it would be a different circumstance, but I would be interested in seeing,

01:29:35.140 like, well, where are the communities of esoteric Hitlerists that gather, uh, to read

01:29:40.700 Mein Kampf, you know?

01:29:42.080 Tell me where the communities of fascist Christians are.

01:29:44.460 Well, I mean, there's some, uh, we can look historically in the 20th century.

01:29:49.000 There were many in Spain, many in Croatia, many in South America, many in Italy.

01:29:55.260 Now, where are they?

01:29:56.960 Because you're asking me now.

01:29:58.180 Well, no, you can go to Croatia.

01:30:00.320 There are Catholic, uh, there are places there where the, the Ustazi and Catholic fascism,

01:30:04.960 clerical fascism is still a very strong, um, and prevalent idea.

01:30:08.660 I, you know, I take your point.

01:30:10.580 Right, I take your point, but the thing is, is that, that, that, um, clerical fascism,

01:30:14.460 fascism or fascist Catholicism is a particular ideological manifestation of the Catholic religion

01:30:19.620 and the Catholic spirit, whereas, um, esoteric Hitlerism, the ideology is folded into the

01:30:25.140 theological world, whereas in Catholicism, it's perfectly possible for you to have different,

01:30:29.640 even radically different ideological manifestations that subscribe to that same set of principles.

01:30:33.900 So you don't need to be a fascist in order to be a Catholic.

01:30:38.840 And so it's not a, you know, you can't, you can't disqualify the existence of real Catholicism

01:30:43.800 existing because, you know, there are monarchists or whatever.

01:30:46.780 So, anyway, I think, but I thank you for sharing the knowledge that you have about esoteric Hitlerism,

01:30:54.440 and I think that, I mean, it's an important topic, and then it seems to come up, uh, quite a bit,

01:30:58.740 and it's a pretty funny meme as far as it goes.

01:31:01.640 What's your point there with, uh, having Catholicism and fascism, the various, how the, one,

01:31:08.020 you can be a Catholic but not a fascist and you can be a fascist and a Catholic.

01:31:11.780 Well, it's like, you can't be an esoteric Hitlerist without being a National Socialist.

01:31:15.420 Yeah, because the two are intertwined.

01:31:17.040 Right.

01:31:17.400 My point was merely that, um, my point was more broadly about how there's no organized

01:31:22.920 cultic activity that esoteric Hitlerists engage in.

01:31:28.740 That's what my point is.

01:31:29.800 Well, it depends on who you ask, I suppose.

01:31:33.100 Well, I would, I don't think, um, we have enough...

01:31:35.560 David Wayne believes that, you know, Adolf Hitler was a godlike figure.

01:31:39.080 Okay, so, I mean, I'll give it only if they, you know,

01:31:41.600 I'm not familiar with them directly, but if they're engaging, uh, anyway,

01:31:45.660 I think that if they're doing, if they're engaging in the, what I've described,

01:31:48.480 then that's fine and fair enough for them.

01:31:50.620 Anyway, I think that we, uh, ought not chase this dog around the bush any longer,

01:31:54.120 but I really appreciate you, um, sharing your very valuable information

01:31:58.740 about the connection between Nietzsche and Elliot Rodgers

01:32:01.300 and showing us the, uh, fascinating theology of esoteric Hitlerism.

01:32:06.860 Now, moving on to the, uh, our next presenter in the next segment of the show,

01:32:14.060 Doc Savage, you've got, uh, some very interesting subjects to talk to us about.

01:32:17.720 Why don't you, uh, why don't you begin?

01:32:21.860 Okay, uh, thanks for having me.

01:32:23.620 Uh, the subject that I'm going to cover is, um, Kabbalah and Rosicrucianism.

01:32:30.340 Uh, perhaps we could subtitle that the esoteric roots of the enlightenment.

01:32:38.480 Excellent.

01:32:39.080 Now that has a tie into masonry as well.

01:32:41.100 I'm, which I'm sure you'll probably discuss, but.

01:32:44.280 Um, I had plans to take more notes on that, but I didn't quite get that far,

01:32:49.320 but you can definitely, um, see some of the roots.

01:32:53.200 And, uh, if you're familiar with the material,

01:32:55.680 you can make those connections for yourself.

01:32:57.220 Yeah.

01:32:59.760 Okay, just to, uh, cover some basis here, uh, I'm going to go ahead and define some terms.

01:33:08.080 Uh, so occult, uh, comes from the Latin word occultus, meaning clandestine, hidden, or secret.

01:33:16.140 Uh, commonly refers to secret knowledge.

01:33:19.400 Uh, and then esoteric, uh, which is, uh, something that is intended or likely to be understood

01:33:28.320 only by a small number of people with specialized knowledge or interest.

01:33:32.360 And this can be contrasted with, of course, exoteric, referring to knowledge that is exterior

01:33:39.700 and independent from a person's, uh, experience and can be ascertained by anyone independently.

01:33:46.000 Uh, hermetic, which is of or relating to ancient occult traditions, uh, encompassing alchemy,

01:33:54.700 astrology, and theosophy.

01:33:56.920 Pertinent to the figure of Hermes Trimegistus.

01:34:00.160 Exactly so.

01:34:00.960 Uh, uh, and then we have renaissance.

01:34:05.280 The renaissance is a period in European history from the 14th to 17th century regarded as a

01:34:10.860 cultural bridge.

01:34:12.920 Uh, uh, we might instead call it a chasm, but there you are, uh, between the middle ages

01:34:19.900 and modern history.

01:34:20.860 It started as a cultural movement in Italy in the late medieval period and later spread

01:34:24.840 to the rest of Europe, marking the beginnings of the early modern era.

01:34:28.380 Uh, and then enlightenment, an intellectual movement between the 17th and 18th centuries

01:34:35.360 emphasizing reason and individualism rather than tradition.

01:34:38.800 So what do all these things have in common?

01:34:47.540 And, um, basically, um, to, to display the method at the beginning, uh, the answer is basically

01:34:58.080 Jews.

01:34:58.440 Wow, really?

01:35:01.900 The Jews?

01:35:04.100 Surprise.

01:35:04.960 Doc, Doc, I don't know.

01:35:06.220 This just sounds like crazy conspirator and stuff.

01:35:09.240 You know, you're really, you're not, you're not proving anything to anyone.

01:35:12.620 You're just bringing down the movement.

01:35:14.680 With that sort of talk, I have to ask you, how are we going to get elected into parliament?

01:35:19.960 I mean, you're not going to get forward in politics with that sort of mumbo jumbo talk.

01:35:26.120 Well, uh, as a, as a wise man once said, you don't vote for kings.

01:35:33.140 Amen.

01:35:34.700 Okay.

01:35:35.280 So the, um, the, the root, uh, the, the current from which all of these things emerge and what

01:35:45.740 links them all together is, uh, the Jewish Kabbalic tradition or Kabbalic or, uh, the

01:35:54.660 Jewish Kabbalah.

01:35:55.520 Right.

01:35:56.120 And let's go into the Kabbalah for those who are not familiar with, uh, what Kabbal, Kabbalism

01:36:01.040 is.

01:36:02.140 All right.

01:36:02.660 So Kabbalah is the ancient Jewish tradition, so-called, of, uh, a mystical or esoteric or

01:36:08.580 occult interpretation of the Torah and the Talmud.

01:36:14.340 Yeah.

01:36:14.820 And so I think the Kabbalah, basically the, in Old Testament Israel, magic was strictly

01:36:23.560 forbidden, um, sorcerers, diviners, spiritual mediums, they were all put to death.

01:36:29.000 And this is very unique because Israel had a formal sage and, um, educated class of wise

01:36:35.160 men, especially in the Davidic period.

01:36:38.240 Um, and in every other culture around it, especially Babylon and Egypt, these same classes, these

01:36:44.140 educated wise men were also wizards universally.

01:36:46.960 If you were a priest, if you were, um, a scholar, you were in intro, um, excuse me, you were

01:36:53.320 initiated into some sort of esoteric school.

01:36:56.140 They were part and parcel with each other.

01:36:57.900 And so it wasn't until the destruction of the second temple and the scattering of the Jews,

01:37:03.380 um, into Babylon and, uh, the Sassanid empire, but also into the general diaspora that we started

01:37:10.560 to see with the emergence of the, um, Midrash, not the Midrash, the Mishnah, which is the, um,

01:37:16.800 codification of the oral law and the Talmud, which is the commentary on the oral law, I believe.

01:37:21.460 Uh, I might be mixing up my particular Hebrew terms here.

01:37:24.740 It's on until this period of the development of rabbinic Judaism, basically the Talmudic

01:37:28.720 kikes we know today, that the Kabbalah, um, emerges.

01:37:32.760 And so the Kabbalah is contained in the essence of it is, the teaching is contained in a book

01:37:37.460 known as the Zohar.

01:37:38.860 So basically the Zohar is the mystical or the esoteric key that lets you unlock the Talmud.

01:37:45.380 And the Talmud is what lets you unlock the Torah or the Tanakh, which is, um,

01:37:50.040 basically the Hebrew Old Testament.

01:37:53.820 Anyway, sorry for that, um, interrogative.

01:37:56.920 Uh, no, that's good.

01:37:58.360 Uh, that covers a lot of ground that, uh, I don't have to.

01:38:01.360 So, um, uh, basically the idea is that Kabbalah is the secret oral teaching that they claim

01:38:11.140 goes all the way back to, in some cases, uh, some schools will claim Adam received the secret

01:38:15.940 oral teaching and other schools will claim that, that it originates with, uh, Moses and his

01:38:21.480 second, um, uh, his, his second, uh, vision.

01:38:27.000 Oh, okay.

01:38:29.940 Uh, but it, it basically it's, it's, um, it's a hidden oral tradition, uh, as opposed to the

01:38:40.380 public oral tradition, right?

01:38:42.020 So you could see, you could say that the regular Talmudic rabbinism is the exoteric Judaism.

01:38:48.660 And then the, the Kabbalah is the esoteric rabbinical Judaism.

01:38:52.900 And then, so the legendary author of the Zohar is, uh, Shimon bar, uh, Yochai, uh, who, according

01:39:07.720 to legend, uh, had to hide from the, uh, Roman emperor in a cave and received a vision.

01:39:14.200 And, um, I believe, uh, you're going to go into this, but, um, the vision is supposed

01:39:23.520 to be of an angel, but as we know, uh, demons are angels too.

01:39:29.320 Just so.

01:39:30.740 Wow.

01:39:31.220 That's interesting.

01:39:32.120 All of these, all of these men receiving images of, uh, angels of light in caves and they

01:39:37.420 start religions.

01:39:40.400 What a coincidence.

01:39:42.020 What a coincidence.

01:39:44.200 Uh, there's some interesting anecdotes about, um, this, uh, this rabbi, uh, according to

01:39:50.120 some sources, um, he acquired reputation as a worker of miracles.

01:39:54.220 And on these grounds, he was sent to Rome where, according to legend, he exorcised the

01:39:59.900 emperor's daughter, um, from a demon who had obligingly entered the lady in order to enable

01:40:06.440 Rabbi Shimon to effect this very miracle.

01:40:11.260 So, uh, nice daughter there, Goi.

01:40:13.440 It's certainly possible, actually.

01:40:15.360 And we will get into this later on, but do go on.

01:40:19.840 And then, um, this, this same rabbi is one of the legendary authors of the Babylonian Talmud,

01:40:26.420 where he is quoted as saying, the best of Gentiles kill it.

01:40:30.120 The best of snakes cut its head.

01:40:32.220 The most pious of women is prone to sorcery.

01:40:34.380 All right.

01:40:38.780 So, this is already, this is their, this is the character.

01:40:42.680 This, these are their heroes.

01:40:45.100 Uh, the Zohar itself was most probably faked by one Moses de Leon in Spain.

01:40:50.080 Uh, the story tells that after the death of Moses de Leon, a rich man of Avila named Joseph

01:40:57.060 offered Moses' widow, uh, who had been left without any means of supporting herself, a

01:41:01.600 large sum of money for the original texts from which her husband had made a copy.

01:41:05.380 She confessed that her husband himself was the author of the work.

01:41:09.320 She had asked him several times, she said, why he had chosen to credit his own teachings

01:41:13.320 to another, and he had always answered that doctrines put into the mouth of the miracle

01:41:17.840 working Shimon Bar-Yokai would be a rich source of profit.

01:41:22.420 Well, yeah, and this is a, another, it's also a common trope, um, literarily, um, in the

01:41:28.140 ancient world where one of the highest pieces of flattery that you could do would be to attribute

01:41:32.800 your own work to a famous past author.

01:41:35.320 We see this even in the wisdom literature in the Old Testament, where, like, um, Ecclesiastes,

01:41:41.360 we know, is almost certainly not written by Solomon himself, nor the wisdom of Solomon

01:41:45.220 either, but they're attributed to his figure because of his, um, sapiential prestige, his

01:41:52.240 association with wisdom, and so it's a form of flattery.

01:41:57.840 But anyway.

01:42:01.180 Okay, yeah, so, um,

01:42:03.520 I'm going to go ahead and skip a bit of, uh, uh, the ways, uh, the, the sort of theological

01:42:10.540 extrusions of the Kabbalah itself, but suffice it to say, it resembles the sort of Gnostic

01:42:17.140 Neoplatonism, uh, familiar to those, uh, who have looked at, um, uh, the Manichaeans or

01:42:26.360 Abraxas worship and stuff like that.

01:42:28.680 Are we, uh, are you, are we going to talk about sympathetic magic, or should we speak

01:42:33.200 about that now?

01:42:35.900 Um, uh, perhaps we could cover that later.

01:42:39.420 Okay, go on.

01:42:40.260 Kind of, kind of, kind of, kind of trying to get on to, uh, the meat of it, which is where

01:42:43.600 it, it impacts with Christianity and, and, and what happens there.

01:42:48.000 Uh, but, uh, there's an interesting quote here, uh, talking about the sort of the core

01:42:52.880 meaning of Kabbalah, uh, in Eros and Kabbalah, Moshe Edel, a professor of Jewish mysticism

01:42:59.620 at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, argues that the fundamental distinction between the

01:43:03.240 rational, philosophic strain of Judaism and the mystical Judaism, as exemplified by the

01:43:08.720 Zohar, is a mystical belief that the Godhead is complex rather than simple, and that divinity

01:43:14.500 is dynamic and incorporates gender, having both male and female dimensions, that these

01:43:20.420 polarities must be conjoined or have union to maintain the harmony of the cosmos.

01:43:26.240 That this characterizes a metaphysical point of view known as diatheism, holding that there

01:43:31.360 are two aspects of God and the process of unionism, uh, the process of union as theoeroticism.

01:43:41.740 That's very interesting.

01:43:43.820 So, right off the bat, we see that God is not a trinity, but a duality, and that God is

01:43:51.980 sexual, which is just, I mean, how, how much more Jewish could we get right there?

01:43:57.780 Yeah, and it's interesting, and I think the thing to emphasize is that all of these traditions

01:44:01.340 emerge, um, emerge exclusively with rabbinic Judaism, these sort of ways of thinking would

01:44:07.700 get you killed in Old Testament Israel.

01:44:10.400 Magic users were put to death.

01:44:13.160 Men who blasphemed God in this way were stoned.

01:44:17.300 It's really the synagogue of Satan, eh?

01:44:19.980 Indeed.

01:44:21.260 Does that, uh, does that kind of relate to the way, like, Jews wanted, like, a, like, earthly

01:44:29.640 power type thing?

01:44:31.020 Yeah, exactly.

01:44:31.480 Because that's why they put it so, it's like, okay, we can't, we have to use magic and that

01:44:36.360 sort of thing.

01:44:37.320 Oh, yeah, this, this heavily ties into the sort of, this world messianism that the Jews

01:44:43.440 have.

01:44:44.320 Um, Kabbalah is deeply involved in several Jewish uprisings in Poland and Ukraine.

01:44:49.560 Um, there is a particular, um, Kabbalistic savior figure.

01:44:57.520 Here, let me find my, in my note.

01:44:59.520 Is it what, Adam something?

01:45:04.620 I know the figure to whom you're referring to.

01:45:06.980 It's the, you know, the new sort of new man.

01:45:09.460 Oh, uh, yeah, well, so there's the theological concept of the Kadmon, the Adam Kadmon, uh,

01:45:17.480 who's the sort of primordial man.

01:45:19.020 And then there's also the concept of the, uh, uh, the Tikhon Ulam, which is the new man

01:45:24.580 who repairs the universe.

01:45:27.540 Right.

01:45:29.020 And traditional Christian theology interprets their figure of the new man as basically the

01:45:33.520 Antichrist.

01:45:33.980 Right.

01:45:36.040 Yeah.

01:45:36.380 So, um, but there was a specific historical figure, the Sabbatean Messiah, uh, Shabbatai

01:45:43.360 Tzivi, uh, who would, um, rise up in the, um, in the, the area of the, uh, Crimean Tartarites

01:45:54.760 and would eventually be forced to convert to Islam by the Ottoman Sultan.

01:45:59.280 Uh, and he, he and his followers are, are the source of the crypto Jewish Donma in Turkey.

01:46:07.140 Hmm.

01:46:07.820 Those were, and that's the guys who were behind the young Turks, huh?

01:46:11.820 Uh, and the Armenian genocide.

01:46:13.360 Yeah.

01:46:14.120 Surprise, surprise.

01:46:16.400 Uh, it, you know, there was, uh, I was listening to a theology lecture the other day and the

01:46:22.040 man was saying, well, you know, the devil's not behind every rock just under every other

01:46:26.280 rock, but I feel like every rock that the devil's not underneath, it's the Jews.

01:46:33.300 What a surprise.

01:46:34.920 Difference, really.

01:46:39.340 And then, uh, there was another figure, a sort of follow-up to Sabbatean Zevi, uh, Jacob

01:46:45.460 Frank, who claimed to be his reincarnation, who taught that, um, you could purify yourself

01:46:51.100 through transgression of the law.

01:46:56.280 Sorry, whoa, hold on.

01:47:00.900 You can purify yourself through the transgression of the law.

01:47:03.560 Explain, how does that work?

01:47:06.740 Well, you see, God loves to forgive, and so if you give him more to forgive you for, then

01:47:12.840 you're doing the work of purifying the broken shards of the universe.

01:47:20.360 Hmm.

01:47:20.880 It's like, literally, the broken window fallacy applied to the spiritual life.

01:47:26.140 Yes, exactly.

01:47:28.000 Spiritual Keynesianism.

01:47:30.720 Anyway, go on.

01:47:31.660 His followers would actually end up, uh, hooking up with, um, the French Revolution.

01:47:36.920 Surprise, surprise, surprise.

01:47:41.380 Go on.

01:47:42.060 Okay, so, um, all of this sort of milieu comes to a, starts to come to a head, uh, with,

01:47:53.520 um, uh, uh, in, in Prague, in, in the area known as Bohemia.

01:47:58.920 Where you have the, um, the figure of, uh, the Maharal of Prague, uh, Judah Loa ben Bezalel,

01:48:14.940 or Rabbi Loeb, in 1513 through 1609, uh, who's most famous, of course, for the Golem of Prague.

01:48:22.520 Yes, the Golem of Prague.

01:48:25.300 So he's a rabbi and a, and a wizard, a mystic, and, uh, um, there's several interesting things here.

01:48:34.280 Of course, the Golem is the, um, the robot made of clay, powered by a piece of paper with the holy name written on it,

01:48:43.740 which is part of this whole sort of practical side of Kabbalah, of these amulets and charms,

01:48:49.260 and, and, and that sort of active practical magic.

01:48:51.980 Yeah.

01:48:52.520 Um, what's also interesting is that on the 23rd of February, 1592,

01:48:59.920 he had an audience with Holy Roman Emperor Rudolf II, and we're going to come back to him, right?

01:49:07.440 Uh, but it's known that Rudolf II was a bit of a mystic himself,

01:49:12.420 and was deeply interested in, um, having Jewish Kabbalah explained to him in his court.

01:49:22.520 The other thing here to note is that the reason why he was creating this Golem was to defend the, um,

01:49:31.920 the ghetto of Prague from mobs, uh, who were riled up because of the quote-unquote blood libel.

01:49:41.580 Ah, which is the claim, the claim that Jews kidnap and murder Christians, especially children,

01:49:49.260 to use their blood as part of religious rituals, um, particularly around High Holy Days.

01:49:55.780 Why would, why would it, it was just anti-Semitism, it was just in the air, there was no reason for this, there was no reason.

01:50:04.700 Everyone was just after the Jews.

01:50:06.840 Yeah, except for that everywhere the Jews went, the libel followed them.

01:50:10.960 And information didn't travel that freely at this point in time, especially amongst the common people.

01:50:18.380 So you're telling me that this pernicious, vile rumor that Jews steal the children of Christians

01:50:24.180 and sacrifice them in their dark rituals mysteriously appears wherever the Jews are?

01:50:29.340 Wherever they go.

01:50:30.400 That's interesting. It's a big coincidence.

01:50:33.660 Very coincidental. Highly coincidental there, Carl.

01:50:36.040 Why did this happen?

01:50:36.960 Well, you need to remember that correlation is, of course, not causation there.

01:50:41.800 This is just a fallacious argumentation, Coy.

01:50:45.260 There was a...

01:50:46.620 Very insidious. Very insidious.

01:50:48.480 A particular professor, Ariel Toaf, who was actually the son of the high rabbi of Italy.

01:50:58.960 And he was a history professor, and he wrote a book called, entitled, Bloody Passover, Jews of Europe and Ritual Homicide.

01:51:09.080 Right?

01:51:09.660 And this book presented an argument that there are certainly cases where the libel is not, in fact, a libel, but, in fact, true.

01:51:24.720 Uh, this caused such a shitstorm amongst the Jewish media that, um, uh, various Israeli interest groups, uh, the Anti-Defamation League, et cetera, et cetera, um, put enough pressure and threatened enough lawsuits that, um, the book was taken off the market and he recanted and donated all of the proceeds, uh, to the ADL.

01:51:48.720 Wow, that's just so, that's charitable, so generous of him. He's really a civically-minded mensch.

01:51:58.220 So, but how does this Jewish Kabbalah interface with Rosicrucianism and alchemy using the Christianity?

01:52:04.540 I'm glad you asked. That's really where we're going to go next.

01:52:07.640 So, from the Renaissance and onwards, Jewish Kabbalistic texts entered non-Jewish culture, where they were studied and translated by Christian Hebraicists and Hermetic occultists, right?

01:52:19.980 Uh, and there were two reasons for this.

01:52:21.640 The first reason was, um, these sort of, these highly mystically-minded guys, who were very often also mathematicians and astrologers and astronomers,

01:52:32.300 they were just looking for any source of knowledge whatsoever, and they were not picky as to where they got it.

01:52:38.120 Uh, the other motivation was, um, particularly, uh, Christian philosophers and apologists who were looking for a way to use, uh, Jewish theological terms in attempts to, um, convert Jews.

01:52:57.520 Uh, what's interesting is that many of these people were themselves Jewish converts.

01:53:03.960 Okay, uh, so in a, in a explicitly Christian Kabbalah, uh, Kabbalistic doctrines are reinterpreted in a distinctly Christian perspective,

01:53:13.380 linking the person of Jesus Christ and, uh, his atonement and resurrection to the ten Sephiroth,

01:53:20.520 linking the three upper Sephiroth to the, the hypostasis, the persons of the Trinity,

01:53:26.520 and the last seventh, the lower or earthly world.

01:53:31.500 And the Sephiroth are these sort of, um, Kabbalistic emanations of God.

01:53:37.440 It's, it's very, very esoteric.

01:53:41.860 So I'm just going to move on here.

01:53:44.620 Um, there's a series of, uh, of, uh, interesting, uh, converts who bring these doctrines into Christianity.

01:53:55.860 Uh, one of the most important is the Franciscan, uh, Raymond Loll,

01:54:04.360 who is the first Christian to acknowledge and appreciate Kabbalah as a tool for conversion.

01:54:08.680 Although not himself a Kabbalist, nor was he particularly well-versed in any Kabbalistic approach,

01:54:13.240 he would use the, the vocabulary in his, uh, apologies, uh, apologetic writings and his theological debates with Jews.

01:54:23.740 Right. So kind of, um, a Justin martyr except for Kabbalism.

01:54:28.620 Right. Yeah. Like that.

01:54:30.700 Now, just to be clear, the Sephiroth are, um, the spheres on the tree of life.

01:54:34.440 Yes. Uh, although, um, that is the later depiction of them.

01:54:41.080 The earliest depiction, uh, corresponded more to the sort of the spheres, uh, like in a Pulteum,

01:54:47.120 uh, uh, uh, speaking today.

01:54:51.340 Uh, a Ptolemaic.

01:54:52.820 Well, yeah, a Ptolemaic or a Ptolemaic view of the universe.

01:54:56.280 Okay. Fair enough.

01:54:57.140 The next big link in the chain is Francesco Giorgi, a Venetian Franciscan friar.

01:55:06.360 Uh, and these Franciscans always keep coming up, uh, which is interesting considering, um, the Francis of today.

01:55:16.200 Yeah.

01:55:16.920 But there were also figures like Athanasius, Athanasius Kersher, who was a Jesuit.

01:55:21.680 Oh, yeah. I, uh, I actually kind of skipped over, uh, Kersher, but he's, he's definitely involved in this current.

01:55:28.240 Yeah. Because I remember in my esoteric days, I was kind of, you know, I kind of admired him for the reason, opposite reasons.

01:55:35.740 Well, uh, anyway, go on.

01:55:38.460 Okay. So, Francesco Giorgi, uh, 1467 to 1540, was a Venetian Franciscan friar who has been considered a central figure in 16th century Christian Kabbalah

01:55:48.900 by both his contemporaries and by modern scholars.

01:55:52.200 Uh, his major work, De Harmonia Mundi, or the, the Harmony of the World, was a massive and curious book,

01:55:59.560 all Hermetic, Platonic, Kabbalistic, and Pinchian.

01:56:03.200 Uh, Pinchian referring to a previous Christian Kabbalistic figure.

01:56:07.460 Uh, what's interesting here, as a link in our chain of this story, linking Kabbalah with Rosicrucianism,

01:56:15.440 is that a copy of De Harmonia Mundi is listed as once being in the library of one Sir Thomas Brown.

01:56:23.560 And it is recorded that Brown's copy was bequeathed to him from Arthur D., son of none other than court magician John D.,

01:56:37.040 of Elizabethan England.

01:56:39.500 No way.

01:56:40.600 Oh, this, oh, I'm, yeah, D. has a lot of connections.

01:56:45.420 John, uh, for those of you who aren't familiar with John D., he was the court magician of Queen Elizabeth,

01:56:50.180 and he, uh, essentially believed he invented, well, he received the knowledge of the Enochian language,

01:56:56.200 which he posited was the language of the pre-Delusion, um, you know, kind of, uh, post-Edenic civilization

01:57:02.960 of the knowledge of, uh, the language of the angels.

01:57:06.140 He was also the original level 07.

01:57:10.220 He's gonna, uh, reoccur in short order.

01:57:13.160 Uh, so another particular name, Robert Flood, uh, who is a figure,

01:57:20.180 or the English Enlightenment, uh, it's believed that his vast volumes on the universal harmony

01:57:26.920 published at Oppenheim in 1617 through 1619 were heavily influenced by Georgie and represent,

01:57:34.320 in essence, a Georgian philosophy in later form.

01:57:37.960 Flood, as we know, was associated with the Rosicrucian movement and was therefore, uh,

01:57:45.600 uh, and it's therefore the influence of Georgie, which we can trace in the Elizabethan age,

01:57:50.040 and, uh, the influence of Christian Kabbalah is really the one in the same as Rosicrucianism.

01:57:57.420 Could you maybe explain to our, um, listeners what Rosicrucianism is?

01:58:02.340 Uh, Rosicrucianism is a teaching or teachings that are a combination or syncretism of occultism

01:58:09.680 and other religious beliefs and practices, practices, including Hermeticism, uh, Jewish

01:58:16.320 mysticism, Christian Gnosticism, and alchemy.

01:58:19.640 The central feature of Rosicrucianism is a belief that its members possess a secret wisdom

01:58:25.780 that is handed down to them from ancient times.

01:58:30.820 So basically, Rosicrucianism is what we would call, um, a modern Gnosticism.

01:58:38.260 Right, like, this is an extremely common idea throughout the, um, the ancient Near East.

01:58:45.920 This is, all of these occult circles are closely associated with the idea of a secret gnosis

01:58:51.340 or a secret technique, like that there is a certain technique or craft or way of proceeding

01:58:57.240 or fundamental understanding of the world that only these men have access to, which makes

01:59:01.940 them superior to all others because they see the true nature of reality.

01:59:05.320 And it's interesting because these heresies, um, are kind of directly opposed to mainstream

01:59:11.200 Orthodox Christianity, which posits that the true nature of reality has been completely

01:59:14.860 revealed to us in the form of Jesus Christ.

01:59:17.000 And his church, which is his mystical body, is kind of the exoteric manifestation of these

01:59:21.940 esoteric truths.

01:59:22.860 Just so.

01:59:25.660 So it's Rosicrucianism, it's within Rosicrucianism that we sort of see, uh, the flowering of

01:59:33.260 this, um, Jewish Kabbalistic infiltration take hold.

01:59:37.760 And the story here really begins with our friend, Holy Roman Emperor, Rudolf II.

01:59:43.540 So Rudolf II, 18 July, 1552 through 20 January, 1612, was Holy Roman Emperor, King of Hungary

01:59:53.460 and Croatia, King of Bohemia, Archduke of Austria, et cetera, et cetera.

01:59:57.000 Of course, a member of the House of Habsburg.

02:00:00.080 His legacy has been traditionally viewed in three ways.

02:00:02.840 First, as an ineffectual and effete ruler whose mistakes led directly to the Thirty Years' War.

02:00:12.600 A great and influential patron of Northern Mannerist art.

02:00:17.500 And third, a devotee of the occult arts and learning which helped seed the Scientific Revolution.

02:00:24.980 Like his contemporary, Elizabeth I of England, Rudolf dangled himself as a prize in a string

02:00:32.740 of diplomatic negotiations for marriages, but never, in fact, married.

02:00:37.280 It has been proposed by various scholars that he was, in fact, a homosexual.

02:00:42.760 During his periods of self-imposed isolation, Rudolf reportedly had affairs with his court chamberlain,

02:00:50.000 Wolfgang von Rumpf, and a series of valets.

02:00:53.420 One of these, one Philip Lang, ruled him so completely for years that he was hated by those seeking favor with the emperor.

02:01:04.300 Wow, sounds like a real, you know, I mean, you guys have to understand that it's not faggotry that's the problem.

02:01:12.120 Or it is, it's faggotry that's the problem.

02:01:14.340 If you're not flamboyant, it's okay if you have sex with men in the ass.

02:01:17.220 Wait, I'm, I'm, I know this is a serious show, but the day Chamberlain's name was von Rumpf?

02:01:25.220 I mean, it's just...

02:01:28.220 Well, that's kind of, that's kind of, that's kind of, that's kind of similar to, uh, Donald Drumpf,

02:01:33.960 so I think that we've, we've already seen the connections between modern day politics and, uh...

02:01:38.220 Checkmate, bigots.

02:01:39.920 Ha ha.

02:01:40.340 We're breaking the condition.

02:01:45.880 Exactly.

02:01:47.300 Now, please go on, Doc.

02:01:49.600 Okay, so, uh, originally he was raised in his uncle's Catholic court in Spain.

02:01:54.700 He was, however, personally tolerant of the early rising of Protestantism and other religions, including Judaism.

02:02:03.020 Of course.

02:02:04.880 He largely withdrew from Catholic observances, even in death, denying, not receiving the last sacramental rites.

02:02:15.520 Wow.

02:02:16.980 He had little attachment to Protestantism, uh, either, uh, except as a counterweight to what he viewed as, uh, overreaching papal authority.

02:02:29.780 He put his primary support behind such, uh, sects as conciliarists, irenicists, and humanists.

02:02:39.340 Uh, when the papacy instigated the counter-reformation, using, uh, papal nuncios and other agents sent to his court,

02:02:47.320 Rudolf backed those who he thought were the most neutral in the debate, not taking a side or trying to affect restraint,

02:02:54.640 uh, thus precipitating the political chaos that eventually led to the outbreak of civil war in the empire.

02:03:02.200 Wow.

02:03:02.940 Incredible.

02:03:05.600 So he was, I mean, so he basically was a faggot, fan-sitter, agnostic.

02:03:12.920 That was the emperor.

02:03:14.460 Basically, yeah.

02:03:15.180 So here we're going to see, uh, things really start to take off, uh, astrology and alchemy

02:03:21.820 were regarded as mainstream scientific fields within Renaissance Prague, and Rudolf was a

02:03:26.540 firm devotee of both.

02:03:28.180 His lifelong quest was to find the Philosopher's Stone, and Rudolf spared no expense in bringing

02:03:33.660 Europe's best alchemists to court.

02:03:36.520 Men such as Giordano Bruno, Edward Kelly, and da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da, John D.

02:03:43.960 Hmm.

02:03:46.040 Rudolf even performed his own experiments in a private laboratory.

02:03:50.260 When Rudolf was a prince, Nostradamus prepared a horoscope which was dedicated to him as prince

02:03:56.400 and king.

02:04:01.740 Interestingly enough, he was so ineffectual as a ruler that he was overthrown by his younger

02:04:06.800 brother, Archduke Matthias, uh, and deprived of every title except Holy Roman Emperor to

02:04:13.940 which Matthias was himself elected after Rudolf died, unlamented.

02:04:19.900 Uh, in May 1618, however, the event, with the event known as the Defenstration of Prague,

02:04:26.820 the Protestant Bohemians...

02:04:28.640 The first Defenstration of Prague.

02:04:29.120 The first Defenstration of Prague.

02:04:31.440 The Protestant Bohemians, in defense of rights granted to them by Rudolf II in a letter of

02:04:37.980 majesty in 1609, began the Thirty Years' War.

02:04:43.240 Ah.

02:04:43.720 So it's all these kites or spiritual kites.

02:04:49.680 Well, and that's, you know, just to trigger my friends who are Hussites, these same Jews

02:04:56.880 that influenced Emperor Rudolf are the ones that influenced and were with Jan Huss.

02:05:02.480 E. Michael Jones writes about this.

02:05:04.200 That, I mean, it's, this is one of these things, it's, I actually, it, it should stop blowing

02:05:12.420 me away, but it's like you, you open up these rocks of history, and underneath is a Jew.

02:05:18.080 Is that in a Jewish revolutionary spirit?

02:05:20.200 I haven't read that book yet, so...

02:05:21.480 Um, I can't remember the exact title.

02:05:23.800 One of the, um, one of my commenters was talking about it, because there was a certain, um,

02:05:28.200 listener of ours who was very upset by my anti-Jan Huss propaganda and rhetoric.

02:05:35.320 So, um, I just have to say, you know, Jan Huss got what he deserved.

02:05:39.640 Indeed, indeed.

02:05:41.900 Uh, so what is going on in Bohemia?

02:05:44.980 What is going on in Prague?

02:05:46.300 Everything keeps coming back to Prague.

02:05:48.200 Well, it gets deeper.

02:05:49.840 It goes, the, the rabbit hole is deeper.

02:05:53.120 So, Frederick V, so-called Winter King of Bohemia, uh, Prince Elector of the Palatine, was married

02:06:01.820 to Princess Elizabeth Stuart, daughter of James I.

02:06:09.000 So, in 1619, the Kingdom of Bohemia rejected the Catholic Habsburg heir to the throne and

02:06:15.040 chose a Protestant, uh, specifically Calvinist, Frederick instead.

02:06:18.800 And his marriage in 1613 to Elizabeth Stuart, the daughter of James I of England, was seen

02:06:25.300 as a great strengthening of the Protestant cause in Europe.

02:06:28.260 The offer of the Bohemian crown raised the possibility of a league of evangelical princes

02:06:32.980 that would break the hegemony of Habsburg and Spanish power.

02:06:38.180 The supporters of the Bohemian project, as manifested in the literature of those years,

02:06:42.820 the purported issue from an ancient but heretofore secret order of the Rosy Cross, also seemed

02:06:49.840 to have hoped that Frederick's move from Heidelberg to Prague, the old capital of Rudolf II, might

02:06:56.360 be the preliminary to Frederick's ascension to the throne of the Holy Roman Empire, an

02:07:01.820 elected position.

02:07:03.480 Thus, the connection between that ancient federation and the Church of Rome would be broken, and

02:07:08.560 the empire would become an instrument, in the words of the Rosicrucian literature, of

02:07:13.260 a general reformation of the whole wide world.

02:07:19.020 Incredible.

02:07:20.440 So, basically, they wanted to construct the Synagogue of Satan.

02:07:24.500 Right.

02:07:25.580 So, you're basically telling me Wallenstein did nothing wrong.

02:07:30.040 Nothing wrong.

02:07:30.960 Nothing wrong at all.

02:07:31.600 I didn't know, like, the idea of novus ordo seclorum.

02:07:36.080 I mean, it goes back even further.

02:07:37.960 I mean, that's pretty stunning.

02:07:39.220 That's essentially what they were...

02:07:40.660 Same principle, like, what you're saying, Doc.

02:07:43.740 Well, exactly.

02:07:44.420 I mean, and this is fundamentally the dichotomy that we have here, is between Jesus Christ,

02:07:48.980 who is the true world ruler, in that sense, the cosmic order, and the king of everything,

02:07:57.560 basically.

02:07:57.920 And then the reign of Satan, who is also called the prince of the earth.

02:08:04.100 These are the two kind of poles upon which these forces vector and draw.

02:08:10.300 These are the diametric opposites.

02:08:12.020 This is the cosmic battle, so to speak.

02:08:15.160 And this is going to tie in with the previous discussion of the sort of esoteric roots of

02:08:22.300 the scientific method, but in this same Rosicrucian literature, you have the concept of the invisible

02:08:28.860 college, and the invisible college, as a concept, is a precursor, is a direct inspiration of

02:08:35.540 the Royal Society of London, of course, the Society of Natural Philosophers centered around

02:08:41.280 Robert Boyle, which sort of kickstarted the Anglo-Enlightenment.

02:08:52.660 That's fascinating.

02:08:56.280 Really fascinating.

02:08:57.140 So it's actually quite a lot to unpack, but it's – so basically what you're trying

02:09:05.900 to elucidate to us is that the seeds of the Enlightenment and the seeds of the modern

02:09:09.800 empirical scientific method come not from the milieu of scholasticism, as many authors

02:09:15.940 claim, but from basically Kabbalism and Rosicrucianism, which infiltrated their way into Christianity

02:09:23.700 through the various Jewish communities.

02:09:26.600 Exactly so.

02:09:28.740 The scientific so-called milieu is in direct opposition to scholasticism.

02:09:40.240 The Kabbalistic writers were enemies of even the scholastic versions of Judaism.

02:09:50.520 Fascinating.

02:09:51.600 Fascinating.

02:09:52.120 Now, this is kind of a long shot, but do you know if Baruch Spinoza figures into any

02:09:58.040 of these societies?

02:10:03.740 That name has only come up in peripheries in my notes and studying thus far, but I should

02:10:12.240 not be surprised, and perhaps we can have an update on this discussion at some later date.

02:10:17.060 Yeah, that'd be excellent to know, because he's – it would not surprise me if he was

02:10:20.760 involved, but I have another evidence to suggest that.

02:10:23.960 Anyway, please go on.

02:10:26.860 So, one of the key texts of Rosicrucianism is called The Chemical Wedding of Christian

02:10:34.620 Rosenkrauts, or Rosenkruz.

02:10:38.980 In this text appears a peculiar monogram or glyph that is called the Monos Hieroglyphica, and

02:10:54.320 it is deeply associated with the mysticism of John Dee.

02:10:58.020 And what's interesting about this text, this chemical wedding, is that it's an allegory

02:11:10.440 that talks about the correct way to understand the New Testament, which is basically to throw

02:11:19.700 out anything that refers to Peter.

02:11:26.420 Hmm, let's – what could be the purpose behind this doctrine?

02:11:36.540 Basically, it's – you know, you don't – there is no hierarchy.

02:11:42.640 You can have a personal and direct relationship with your Lord Jesus Christ.

02:11:50.760 Yeah, exactly.

02:11:52.260 So, this is one of the fundamental ideas behind this Gnostic heresy, is that if you possess the

02:12:00.240 secret knowledge, you possess the technique, then you need no intermediaries to interact

02:12:04.920 with the divine realm, that you are the mediator between your soul and the eternal principle,

02:12:12.000 and all that really matters is that relationship.

02:12:14.420 Everything else is secondary, especially in the material world.

02:12:18.700 Yes.

02:12:19.800 Basically, you can self-initiate and free yourself from the prison of matter.

02:12:25.480 Oh, Doc, I have something in my notes related to your point about the Royal Society.

02:12:30.060 Virtually all the Royal Society's founding members were Freemasons.

02:12:36.000 One could reasonably argue that the Royal Society itself, at least in its inception, was a Masonic

02:12:41.120 institution, derived through Andrea's Christian unions – I'm not sure what that is – from

02:12:48.480 the invisible Rosicrucian brotherhood.

02:12:53.300 Exactly so.

02:12:54.100 So, out of Rosicrucianism, you can see the foundations of the early theoretical Masonic lodges.

02:13:05.260 Yeah, and I think that this kind of goes back to the esoteric idea of the craft that we've

02:13:09.980 brought up before.

02:13:10.740 And this is, like, at the core of Freemasonic, but also secular thinking of the ancient world,

02:13:19.960 where if you were a fabricator, you had what the Greeks called a techni.

02:13:26.120 And this is like a skill or a certain set of esoteric principles that enabled you to shape

02:13:32.820 the material world to your will.

02:13:34.080 And it was viewed as kind of a magic, because, I mean, if you're a blacksmith and you can

02:13:37.580 take, you know, a muddy piece of bog iron and turn it into a beautiful sword, I mean,

02:13:42.160 that is a sort of – it's like magic.

02:13:45.000 And the same thing could be said of orators.

02:13:46.980 They had the techni in the sense that they could convince people of, you know, anything.

02:13:52.280 And this acts practically as a form of magic.

02:13:54.800 You're acting directly upon the spiritual reality of the world around you.

02:13:58.580 And, you know, this might seem weird, but the thing with the transsexuals kind of ties

02:14:06.220 into that, because it's kind of the ultimate, I guess, you know, dark apotheosis of that,

02:14:13.160 where you have, oh, well, even my body itself is totally immutable and changeable, and I

02:14:20.380 can change my own inner essence, essentially, you know, my own sex, what's been given to

02:14:28.440 me by God.

02:14:30.300 Exactly.

02:14:31.480 And so this idea coalesced, essentially, in Freemasons, in Freemasonry, rather.

02:14:38.240 And so, I mean, depending on who you believe as to where the Freemasonic order came out of,

02:14:43.380 but let's just assume that it was, for brevity, an evolution of the mason, stonemason guilds

02:14:50.820 of medieval Europe.

02:14:51.580 Well, I mean, the guild system, they had a very tight control on their members, their

02:14:56.500 journeymen and their masters, the men who possessed this techni, who had the specialized

02:15:00.720 skill necessary to work with marble, let's say, or build cathedrals.

02:15:04.860 And especially when you're dealing with high architecture, there are incredibly precise

02:15:12.860 mathematical formula and principles that you have to be in possession of for you to build

02:15:17.580 these massive arches.

02:15:19.180 The ratios have to be very perfect.

02:15:23.100 The same thing goes for sculptures.

02:15:26.320 If you look at the ancient Greek sculptures, their sculptors had this technique, and so the

02:15:31.820 proportions of their sculptures are perfect.

02:15:33.860 You know, in line with the divine, the golden mean and other things like this.

02:15:38.680 And so, the idea is that these medieval guild, these medieval stonemasons, eventually, you

02:15:47.580 know, folded in this Jewish, Kabbalistic understanding of the construction of the physical universe to

02:15:54.140 their architecture.

02:15:55.740 And it kind of spiraled out from there.

02:15:57.840 And so, in Freemasonry, it's called the craft.

02:16:00.220 You know, a man who practices the craft.

02:16:04.680 It's the same, I understand, craft means techni.

02:16:07.940 Yeah, except that there's actually very little evidence that the actual stonemasons' guilds

02:16:13.320 had anything to do with the...

02:16:14.520 Well, that's the thing, right?

02:16:15.520 Yeah.

02:16:16.960 Yeah.

02:16:17.620 It's the sort of legend.

02:16:20.000 Don't they say things like creating things brings you closer to the creator or something?

02:16:25.320 I think I've heard that saying somewhere.

02:16:29.820 Well, I've never heard it recounted, but it's certainly a Masonic idea.

02:16:35.200 So, I have an extended quote here that I think ties a lot of these threads together, if I may.

02:16:44.240 Please, go for it.

02:16:48.420 So, and I quote,

02:16:50.420 What was this new science that the Rosicrucian literature claimed to be about to transform

02:16:57.400 the world?

02:16:58.580 It was Rosicrucian Hermeticism, heavily focused on mathematics, but with a keen interest in

02:17:05.880 the mechanical arts developed by engineers of antiquity.

02:17:10.180 Frederick's gardens at Heidelberg, for instance, were famous for their automata and their other

02:17:16.740 mechanical marvels.

02:17:18.560 Hermetic, in this context, usually means the theosophy of Hermes Trismegestus, who was purported

02:17:25.660 to be a philosopher of ancient Egypt, whom the Renaissance identified with Moses, though,

02:17:32.040 in fact, the writings described to him date from the Greco-Roman period.

02:17:35.820 Like the earlier Renaissance, it included a systematic interest in alchemy, but in a new

02:17:42.480 alchemy of Periclesius, with its heavy focus on medicine and the philosophy of the parallel

02:17:48.840 nature of the macrocosm and the microcosm.

02:17:52.340 The novel feature was the Kabbalah.

02:17:55.240 This, too, had been an element of Renaissance thought since at least the 15th century, but

02:18:00.000 the Rosicrucian Kabbalah was the new Lurianic Kabbalah that was developed in the Levant after

02:18:06.160 the expulsion of the Jews from Spain.

02:18:08.580 It was not just messianic, but it was reformist, looking for the reconstruction of a damaged

02:18:15.000 world and a new utopia on earth.

02:18:21.160 Fascinating.

02:18:21.720 And I think that this really ties into, interestingly enough, what we were talking about in the first

02:18:27.720 half of the show, is these guys who buy into the idea of the Enlightenment.

02:18:32.040 Well, the reason why they don't have concrete systems that function consistently with each

02:18:39.500 other is because they buy into this deception on one level or another.

02:18:43.160 And it was interesting.

02:18:44.100 I mean, I was thinking about this.

02:18:45.320 It came to me a couple of months ago.

02:18:47.580 We talk about Satan as the father of lies.

02:18:49.640 Well, a lie is not just like a falsehood that you utter.

02:18:53.400 You know, two plus two is five.

02:18:54.700 A lie is a deception.

02:18:57.860 It's a view of the world or a way of operating which is not in relationship to the way in

02:19:04.200 which reality actually functions.

02:19:08.420 And so, go on, Spice.

02:19:09.860 Kind of related to that is in art.

02:19:13.120 And, you know, I'm a writer too.

02:19:15.800 And, you know, even though a fictional story can be, is right, it's made up, right?

02:19:21.440 So, in a strict sense, it's kind of a lie.

02:19:23.860 But it can still be artistically and, you know, true.

02:19:28.720 It can still be true to representing, you know, human nature, human experience.

02:19:34.420 And I think that's, you know, I don't want to go off on an art tangent, but I think that's

02:19:41.780 kind of an issue with, like, contemporary art is it's artistically untrue.

02:19:47.000 You know, it doesn't reflect, you know, human humanity.

02:19:54.620 Yeah.

02:19:55.960 Anyway, back to you, Doc.

02:19:58.040 I think we're going over time here, but please, we'll be glad to have you, you know, wrap up

02:20:03.140 and we can finish up.

02:20:05.080 Okay.

02:20:05.900 So, tying all these trends, these currents together, is our original secret agent man,

02:20:18.000 John Dee, the English mathematician, astronomer, astrologer, occult philosopher, and advisor

02:20:23.320 to Queen Elizabeth I.

02:20:25.200 He devoted much of his life to the study of alchemy, divination, and hermetic philosophy.

02:20:29.420 He was also an advocate of England's imperial expansion.

02:20:36.160 Dee was a serious mathematician and a notable statesman.

02:20:38.960 He is sometimes credited with the measure, perhaps with the measure of exaggeration, with

02:20:43.640 the foundation of the British Secret Service.

02:20:46.380 And he was interested in the natural world as such.

02:20:49.400 And to use Francis Bacon's later phrase, he hoped to use natural knowledge for the relief

02:20:53.880 of man's estate.

02:20:55.460 He was also, of course, quite chatty with the angels.

02:20:58.100 Okay.

02:20:59.420 Or so he thought.

02:21:03.240 Yeah.

02:21:03.580 What kind of angels?

02:21:04.660 Yeah.

02:21:05.120 And it's interesting.

02:21:05.920 I had planned to do my section of the show on demonology and give you guys an introduction

02:21:10.480 of that.

02:21:11.420 But we don't have the time.

02:21:13.780 We'd be here for three hours if that was the case.

02:21:18.820 So that will have to be a subject for another day.

02:21:21.720 And then one last linkage is that Dee's influence later spread to the New World through John

02:21:33.680 Winthrop Jr., an alchemist and follower of Dee.

02:21:36.960 Uh, and then one of his later, uh, the, I'm sorry to interrupt the pure, the, like the Puritan,

02:21:44.580 uh, yes, the Puritans.

02:21:46.480 Exactly.

02:21:46.720 Oh, wow.

02:21:47.520 Interesting.

02:21:48.260 A new meaning for a city on a hill.

02:21:51.380 The new Atlantis.

02:21:52.580 I've also heard that.

02:21:53.420 That's a phrase that they used in some, um, I think Dee used that in some of his writing.

02:21:59.020 Uh, the new Atlantis was actually a, uh, uh, that was a term in use and it was a, uh, manuscript,

02:22:06.840 uh, describing a sort of utopia, um, written by one of Dee's disciples.

02:22:20.680 Please, uh, go on.

02:22:22.360 Just, uh, and also, uh, so, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

02:22:29.020 we must now understand the 17th century wars of religion as a conflict between Christian

02:22:35.480 orthodoxy and Gnosticism, or at least between Catholicism and an esoteric Christianity in

02:22:41.020 the same tradition as the Cathar heresy.

02:22:44.360 And this would not apply just to Europe.

02:22:47.180 Massachusetts governor, John Winthrop invited, uh, Comenius, another Rosicrucian alchemist

02:22:54.280 to come to America and found and head Harvard college.

02:22:59.020 Wow.

02:23:00.980 Um, I think it's interesting.

02:23:05.920 I'm kind of at a loss for insightful commentary because it stands in such, uh, such stark truth

02:23:12.740 and revelation of its own accord.

02:23:14.520 I mean, we've talked about before on NRO and in other subjects, the idea that the totality

02:23:21.260 of the Enlightenment is the plague, uh, which has brought down the West, that this sort of

02:23:26.900 nominalist empiricist thinking is just, you know, one huge Christian heresy that has, um,

02:23:34.520 infected our governments and our souls basically.

02:23:37.700 But it's incredible to have not only, I mean, you know, you make that sort of that proposal

02:23:43.480 in a spiritual sense, but it's incredible to see this evidence that, I mean, it really

02:23:49.180 was like a unified, um, conspiracy.

02:23:52.360 Yeah, uh, how much all of these guys were actually in communication with each other.

02:24:00.720 I, I'm not sure.

02:24:02.300 Um, they certainly were men of letters and corresponded with each other.

02:24:07.480 That much is certain.

02:24:08.380 That's, that is a serious question with any sort of conspiracy research is, is how, not

02:24:16.040 that these things occur, but how planned are they?

02:24:19.480 How centralized are they?

02:24:21.580 Um, you know, I mean, I tend to take the view that personally, that it's, it is in some

02:24:29.780 ways planned centrally and in other ways, it's more of just kind of the spirit of the age,

02:24:35.780 so to speak, um, cause I don't think you could ever, I don't think you could ever definitively

02:24:41.980 say it's all from one source, but that's possible as well.

02:24:45.660 I don't know.

02:24:46.620 I would say that the synthesis of those two views is that, um, on the human perspective,

02:24:53.040 on the human plane, it's not one grand unified conspiracy theory, but there's not just the

02:25:00.180 human plane.

02:25:03.280 Exactly.

02:25:04.000 That's a great point.

02:25:05.040 I never even thought of that.

02:25:06.320 No, and that's, that's for me was a big revelation is when I started thinking about, well, we have

02:25:10.100 this spiritual warfare that's going on and we have these, uh, organized legions of fallen

02:25:13.520 angels, which we come out against.

02:25:16.100 You don't need to have a physical orchestrated conspiracy between men if, uh, there are spirits

02:25:20.460 who do that for you.

02:25:27.260 But anyway, yeah.

02:25:28.240 So anything else you would like to add, Doc, or, uh, I think we're basically at the end

02:25:33.580 of our time here.

02:25:34.980 Yes.

02:25:35.300 Uh, uh, I, I could go on and on and on.

02:25:37.480 I've got, I've got a massive quantity of notes here, but I think I've painted most of the

02:25:42.700 picture I wanted to paint for y'all.

02:25:43.540 I think so.

02:25:44.160 I think that this is a subject that we're going to have to revisit in the future.

02:25:47.160 Um, there will be another, sorry, if I may, Florian, I'm, I think because this topic intersects

02:25:54.900 so many other topics, I mean, to really do it justice, you'd have to break it off into

02:25:59.780 what Doc's discussing with esotericism.

02:26:02.560 You'd have to have another talk about the geopolitical, you know, aspects of it.

02:26:08.260 And I mean, it's, it's just, there's so much there.

02:26:10.660 I mean, you can spend, I mean, you can spend the rest of your series just talking about this

02:26:15.040 alone, not just, you know, fascist philosophy.

02:26:19.180 Well, I mean, it's all on this, it's all on the table for discussion.

02:26:22.300 And so I think that there will be.

02:26:24.260 If I could throw out some resources for people who are interested.

02:26:27.140 Please, please.

02:26:28.960 Oh, yes.

02:26:29.360 So, um, I highly recommend, uh, in addition, of course, uh, always be a loyal follower of

02:26:35.420 Mysterium Fascist, but also, um, uh, the Orthodox nationalist, uh, Dr. Raphael Matthew

02:26:44.280 Johnson is, um, uh, highly learned and erudite and a scholar on many of these same manners.

02:26:56.080 Yes, I agree.

02:26:57.260 Uh, these, uh, a very good resource.

02:26:59.040 Hopefully we'll have him on the, uh, the show fairly soon.

02:27:02.020 Oh, if I could probably bring up some of my sources.

02:27:06.180 Um, I, I personally, I recommend, uh, Jay Dyer, jaysanalysis.com.

02:27:11.860 Um, another one is conspiracyarchive.com, which sounds cheesy, but their research is top notch.

02:27:19.360 Um, and then in terms of actual books, I think everyone in the alt-right should, uh, or not

02:27:26.700 alt-right, I guess, but everyone who's curious should at least attempt to read Carol Quigley's

02:27:32.080 Tragedy and Hope.

02:27:33.240 Um, that's about the 20th century, but that ties in a lot of the, uh, you know, geopolitical

02:27:39.200 questions and, and the also ties into the secret societies.

02:27:43.420 Um, so.

02:27:47.500 And there's a particular book, uh, The Rosencrucian Enlightenment by Francis Yates, which is, uh,

02:27:54.840 covers all of this material in depth.

02:27:59.460 Belaguer, did you want to add something?

02:28:00.960 Which I, uh, can, uh, recommend.

02:28:02.940 And we haven't talked too much about Freemasonry, or, uh, at least there's, um, Albert Pike.

02:28:08.560 He was a 33rd degree Freemason, and he wrote a book called Morals and Dogmas, and in that

02:28:14.660 book, uh, a lot is described about the more higher levels, and it's some spooky stuff, man.

02:28:20.840 Uh, Manly P. Hall is another, uh, early 20th century, yeah.

02:28:26.280 I haven't read any of his things in depth, but I am familiar with some of his, uh, his work.

02:28:31.940 Excellent.

02:28:32.880 Well, thank you all for joining me today.

02:28:34.840 Several of our guests have left, but I'm your host, Florian Geyer.

02:28:39.640 Thank you for listening, Ave Maria.

02:28:41.840 Joining me today are Belaguer.

02:28:44.440 Belaguer, thanks for joining me.

02:28:46.460 Oh, uh, uh, no problem.

02:28:48.900 Doc Savage, thank you for coming on.

02:28:51.020 Hail victory.

02:28:52.140 And Spies.

02:28:52.960 Spies, thanks for your great insight.

02:28:54.840 Oh, of course, anytime.

02:28:56.560 Excellent, uh, panel all around.

02:28:59.260 Indeed.

02:28:59.900 I think this is a great insight.

02:29:01.560 So to all of our viewers, our listeners, I should say,

02:29:04.220 and want with Tyrannan raufen.

02:29:08.940 Hai, ja, oh, oh.

02:29:13.200 Spies voran, rauf und dran.

02:29:17.080 Setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Hahn.

02:29:21.280 Spies voran, rauf und dran.

02:29:25.180 Setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Hahn.

02:29:28.620 Spies voran, rauf und dran.

02:29:58.600 Spies voran, rauf und dran.

02:30:01.240 Setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Hahn.

02:30:05.420 Spies voran, rauf und dran.

02:30:09.420 Spies voran, rauf und dran.

02:30:12.420 Spies voran, rauf und dran.

02:30:17.420 Spies voran, rauf und dran.

02:30:18.560 Spies voran, rauf und dran.

02:30:19.560 Setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Hahn.

02:30:28.800 We'll be right back.

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Mysterium Fasces - July 22, 2023

Mysterium Fasces Episode 4 — Aryo-Occult Theater Mysterium 14⧸88

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