Mysterium Fashi's 42nd Christmas Special features special guest Matthew Heimbach of the Traditionalist Traders' Party (TWP) and Patty Tarleton of the Patriarca Patriot, among others.
00:07:51.620So in the spirit of Christmas, I think, although I'm not certain if Southern Protestants quite understand what Christmas is about,
00:08:01.880the whole purpose, I think, of the introductory segment to this episode,
00:08:05.620before we get into the really interesting stuff about the state of Maine,
00:08:08.500is I wanted to kind of get into Christmas and Advent and talk a little bit about the kind of theological and spiritual nature of the season that we find ourselves in,
00:08:17.600especially as most of you are no doubt well aware and quite revolted by the general spiritual malaise that has befallen the secular celebration of the Advent season.
00:08:30.300So usually I begin the show by exerting my listeners to spiritual warfare, and I will do that again.
00:08:37.640But I thought I'd do it in a fashion that was a little bit more integrated with the rest of what I wanted to discuss.
00:08:46.860Usually, you know, we talk about prayer and fasting as the two weapons we have in our arsenal to build up the spirit,
00:08:53.540to polish the noose, to polish the heart, to establish your connection with the kingdom of heaven, the spiritual realm, and with our Lord Jesus Christ.
00:09:02.420We talk about fasting as a means to not, it's not really, really about food, but it's about discipline,
00:09:10.020where you discipline yourself and your body by restricting the very basic substance of life that enables you to continue to live.
00:09:20.060And so it's about exercising dominance of the mind, right, of the soul over the body.
00:09:27.880And so this is a, throughout Christian tradition, and in fact, not just Christian tradition, but universally,
00:09:33.940we see these two central themes of prayer and fasting.
00:09:37.540And by fasting, we don't just mean, again, the abstinence from food, but we mean ascetic labor.
00:09:43.680And I'll get back into asceticism in a minute.
00:09:46.560But we see these two universal forms throughout all of the great mystical traditions of the world,
00:09:52.260whether it's in India with the Vedic traditions or in Japan with Buddhism and China with Buddhism and so on.
00:09:57.880Or in Christianity, Islam, these are all universal characteristics.
00:10:03.700And as dedicated listeners to Mysterio and Vashis know, when something is believed by everybody, everywhere, for all time, usually it's true.
00:10:17.440Except for that there are two genders.
00:10:19.320Except for that there are two genders, that there's, like, truth to the world, that there's, like, a spiritual realm, that there are spiritual entities, that kind of stuff.
00:11:12.440Yeah, you know, that's, yeah, your calendar was made by a pope, ours was made by an emperor in it, so.
00:11:19.540Anyway, let's return to the, we don't need to get into the calendar, we should post things so early into the episode, but perhaps we'll look up to that.
00:11:26.060So, this is a very kind of pedantic, roundabout way to talk about that the Advent fast itself is the very message that I want to deliver, and the message that I come on behalf of.
00:11:38.340The Advent fast is also called Little Lent.
00:11:42.440And so it's the preparation, as everyone knows, for Christmas, for the birth of the Savior of God made flesh, the Logos, Jesus Christ, who's coming into the world.
00:11:52.540And so, we prepare ourselves for this great feast, one of the two greatest feasts of the Christian Church, as all of our listeners know, along with Easter, but with a period of 40 days of fasting and prayer.
00:12:06.340And traditionally, these are the days of Christmas, right, that lead up to the feasting days, the fasting days, rather, that lead up to the great feast at the 25th.
00:12:15.720Now, for those of our listeners who are Orthodox, many of you will be on the Julian calendar.
00:12:20.240And for those of you who are not aware, in the Orthodox Church, some of the national churches use the Gregorian calendar or the Civic calendar, for whom Christmas is December the 25th.
00:12:31.240Now, Orthodox Churches use the older Julian calendar, so-called Julian, because it was promulgated, invented by Julius Caesar, which has a difference of about two weeks.
00:12:42.040And so, our December 25th is about, I think it's the 6th or the 7th of January, in the secular calendar.
00:12:50.720So, this episode will release on Christmas, on September the 20th, December, rather, the 25th, for our secular listeners.
00:12:59.500But for those of you who are on the Julian Religious Calendar, you still have some time to go, which is what my co-host was alluding to at the beginning of the show.
00:13:06.600So, I think a lot of the time, we kind of assume that people listening to the show will be up-to-date on the inter-Orthodox pants and these kind of esoteric calendar issues.
00:13:17.400But I think it's probably not safe to assume so.
00:13:21.660On a serious note, I think that focusing too much on the calendar is quite bad.
00:13:26.400Essentially, what you do is you reduce the faith to what calendar?
00:13:31.760And you kind of lose the spirit behind it, and you essentially become a sort of puritanite, and then you don't really have any spirit in it.
00:13:39.140And all you use of is, I hope these people use this calendar, or those people use that calendar.
00:13:43.920I think that's more helpful than just losing different calendar, because essentially you're saying that the power is only on your side, so to speak to your salvation, and not a cooperation with God.
00:13:58.760I mean, God doesn't attest it beyond this.
00:14:03.340Yeah, no, I think that you're correct, Gideva.
00:14:05.320I mean, I don't support the new calendar, but I think that you're right about that spirit, that it's, this kind of brings us directly to charity, that it's, there's no charitable spirit when dealing with legitimate issues within the church, which is the exact opposite of how we ought to behave with one another.
00:14:21.060And this is more important than the spiritual, the negative aspects of spiritual warfare, the prayer and the fasting, struggling against passions, is the positive aspect, which is love.
00:14:32.340And that is what Christmas and what Advent is about, is real Christian love, the love of God for the world, the love of our families and our folk traditions, and the love of us brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ.
00:14:45.000And so I think that you're on a point there.
00:14:47.860And Florian, just to touch on that real quick, like as I'm sitting here right before we started recording, I was reading a bunch of Sunnis stormed a Coptic church in Egypt, and there's probably some fatalities, and, you know, people being sent to the hospital and the church has been ransacked.
00:15:06.960And it's the sort of thing that when we talk about God not being autistic, you know, I'm a national socialist, I'm a traditionalist, I take my faith very seriously.
00:15:15.680And, you know, while there might be some, say, disagreements with, you know, the Coptic church, of course, there's an ethnic difference that there's something that I know hits me, and it hits all of us, I think, you know, the idea that those disagreements, you know, doesn't change the fact that, you know, an adorable Coptic grandmother going, you know, to pray for her family, or, you know, going to prepare for Christmas.
00:15:35.820As they're under siege and literally being attacked for their faith, you know, while purity of doctrine, you know, orthodoxy means right belief is so crucial, it's important to remember that love drives everything, there is no greater commandment than love, you can be the greatest theologian to understand the church fathers, read everything that was ever written, but if you don't have love, you have literally nothing.
00:15:56.580And if you're the simplest peasant that has no real understanding of theology, but you have a love of God, and a love of your family, and, you know, a humbleness about your spirit, then you're greater than, you know, many of the priests or bishops that you're going to see in the church.
00:16:13.080That everything has to be built on love, because God loved us so much, not to, you know, John 3.16 posts, like, every Protestant ever, you know, but, like, that really is the cornerstone of everything.
00:16:23.740Everything comes down to love, and a love for God, which, you know, has us love all people, and want the best for them, and care about the salvation of their souls.
00:16:32.420And that's why we stand against injustice, that's why we stand against cruelty, that's why we stand against the genocide of our people, and of all peoples, because, you know, we love God's creation, we love God, and we love one another as human beings.
00:16:44.800Yes, exactly. Plus, God loves us, right? He loves us very much. He loves us more than we love him more.
00:16:51.760If that wasn't the case, then we wouldn't sin as we do, right? We would be good, honest, wise people all the time, and none of us are really, right?
00:16:59.120We all sin, we all sin, and so on, and so on. And, let's hear it, God loves us, but we all deserve the nation, we all deserve eternal fire, right?
00:17:09.200But he loves us, so that's not what he does, he tries to raise us up.
00:17:12.940Unless you're a Calvinist, because that God doesn't love you very much.
00:17:15.760Oh, yes, well, unless you're a Calvinist, but then essentially you're a most of it, so.
00:17:20.820Yeah. So, no, it's, that's exactly correct. That's exactly correct.
00:17:26.060And I think, I think that you're very, very right to point this out, Matt, is that one of the things that's extremely fashionable in national socialist circles is like just a kind of bitter, bitter chauvinism against, you know, non-white people or, you know, non-100% pure, you know, 19, yeah, 1933 vintage German champagne, that kind of business.
00:17:53.820And I think that it's, you know, lamentable that people can't make basic statements of sympathy with our persecuted Christian brothers in Egypt, you know, without being accused of cuckoldry for foreign races.
00:18:08.320But that's the level of idiocy of the discourse that we deal with.
00:18:11.160Well, I mean, that's where in my brain, when I hear comments like that, I just start playing like the, like the Bosnian or the Armenian, like SS anthems.
00:18:19.900And I'm just like, different peoples were part of the SS, like, you guys are stupid.
00:18:23.440Like, I mean, but it really comes down to a lack of understanding of the ideology and not to get too far in the weeds.
00:18:30.260I just, we've talked about this a lot before, but it's important to remember just what Leon DeGrell said, the national socialism, you know, has the German people wanting the best for their people, but also for all peoples that, you know, if you're going to be a national socialist, you genuinely have to want to put your family first, which is your nation.
00:18:46.140But at the same time, you want every other people to succeed.
00:18:49.500There is no conflict in regard to wanting to have, like, a real humanitarian spirit.
00:18:56.020And, you know, it's just like how Father Charles Coughlin, you know, published his newspaper, Social Justice.
00:19:00.960Let's remember, like, all the things that the left says, they actually take something good and they pervert it, like freedom or love or social justice, being a humanitarian.
00:19:11.160And so when people then hear that or hear us say things like this, they assume we're talking from that perspective.
00:19:16.360But just like the left has taken socialism, which is a very nationalistic Christian concept for how do you treat your countrymen, they've taken these other terms as well.
00:19:24.260But we're supposed to be humanitarians.
00:19:26.080That doesn't mean we cuck when it comes to the best interests of our people first.
00:19:30.100But you have to have that spirit of love for the entire world because, you know, we do want a world of free and healthy peoples.
00:19:37.100Well, I think that's because this sort of doministic, humanitarians mentality is all will to power, will to powers.
00:19:45.240This sort of view that there's a sort of duality between everyone and it's just a rise towards the top right.
00:19:50.660Because if you have that mentality, it's all a rise to the top right.
00:19:52.940We need to fight each other to get to the supposed top.
00:19:55.940But essentially, you can't really have that, I should put it, love for your neighbor, right?
00:20:01.100I mean, ideally, it should be like different shows, right?
00:20:05.320Of course, your family at the very center, right?
00:20:08.140Then it kind of goes more and more to the other sides.
00:20:10.940And then essentially, you have everyone in the entire world having their own workplace.
00:20:17.600Or to that, if you understand, I'm quite right.
00:21:11.500I mean, it's the same way in a National Socialist nation.
00:21:13.840But you don't want your neighbors to do poorly because, you know, if your neighbors start having a really bad time, that sort of stuff starts seeping over into your backyard pretty soon.
00:21:22.820And it's a spirit of love that has to drive us in everything we do.
00:21:25.420I mean, probably my favorite G.K. Chesterton quote that I use all the time, so I apologize for that.
00:21:31.100But, you know, it's that the true soldier fights not because he hates what's in front of him, but because he loves what's behind him.
00:21:36.600And that spirit of love has to animate everything we do with our comrades, with our families, with normies, with other peoples, with other races.
00:21:45.740We do what we do because we love God and we love our family.
00:21:49.280And we want a peaceful world for them to grow up and we want a healthy, successful world.
00:21:53.100And if we all had more love, of which all of us are lacking, you know, with the exception of Christ, all of us are lacking in the love that we should have.
00:21:59.420And, you know, this would be a much, much nicer place to live, you know?
00:22:08.560To go back to what I said is that, I mean, none of us, all of us are extremely sinful.
00:22:15.740And the, I mean, what we do on this podcast is we try to talk about the ideals and we try to take those ideals and bring them to people in a way that that is practical, that that's pliable to their lives.
00:22:29.420And so on the subject of fasting, I mean, we can get extremely practical.
00:22:34.380For those of you who are fasting for the nativity feast, I mean, you know, none of us are, none of us are perfect.
00:22:42.740In fact, most of us are very poor at fasting.
00:22:44.940And I can speak for myself, certainly, that, you know, I've been staying with family and so on.
00:22:50.240And so it's a difficult and it's sometimes impossible due to reasons of hospitality, religious endeavor to maneuver.
00:22:59.720But that's the nature of the modern world is that it's set up precisely to make you sin, to make it difficult to abstain from your passions.
00:23:06.820The, you know, to even try to eat without meat, you know, if you are engaged in any type of social activity can be an extremely difficult challenge.
00:23:19.520But ultimately, fasting is not about food.
00:23:23.580Food is very important and it's a tool.
00:23:25.160And we have these rules from the church fathers and from the ancients and from the monks for a reason regarding specific categories of food like meat and fish and dairy and so on.
00:23:35.840They should be respected and followed and they work.
00:23:38.700But fasting is ultimately about asceticism.
00:23:42.220And asceticism, as we discussed before, in ascesis in Greek, just means training or discipline.
00:23:46.980And so warriors, athletes, and monks all engage in ascesis to prepare for their battle or to engage in their battle.
00:23:57.520And so we're called in the Advent season to engage in ascesis, asceticism.
00:24:03.240And there's positive and negative asceticism.
00:24:07.200There are deeds of ascetic labor, such as fasting and praying.
00:24:11.240You know, we hear of the, I think, today or tomorrow is one of the great, is the feasts of one of the great stylite fathers who are known for, you know, sitting on pillars for years at a time in contemplative prayer.
00:24:24.020In fact, maybe I can bring it up directly, which, yes, the, um, anyway.
00:24:32.620Well, you look that up, you know, there's something I just wanted to throw in.
00:24:36.480Um, I need to stop drinking so much coffee before we record, because, like, I'm always such a chatty Cathy.
00:24:42.200Um, but, you know, there's this great story, um, if anyone's read the book Everyday Saints, um, you know, about a monk who's still alive, uh, who, you know, was a monk during the, uh, the Cold War, uh, during the, you know, the communist occupation.
00:24:54.860And then afterwards, and, you know, he writes about when he and some monks go and visit Russian troops in Chechnya during one of the fasts.
00:25:01.120Uh, and they put on this huge spread of, uh, because they hadn't seen a priest to have liturgy and confession in so long.
00:25:07.320But they were, they were so apart, you know, the soldiers were so apart from a normal liturgical calendar.
00:25:12.100They didn't realize it was a, it was a fasting period.
00:25:39.160So, like, communion with our brothers and sisters, um, to, to simply, you know, stick up your nose, especially in the holiday season, in a way that could hurt someone's feelings, in a way that could kind of alienate them or, or, you know, publicly fill you with some sort of spiritual pride is, is very harmful.
00:25:56.960And everything's got to be understood within kind of the context of, of the spirit of fasting, of what it actually is, of what communion is, and what its goal is.
00:26:06.480Because, you know, if you're, like, sweet, adorable Baptist grandmother, like, works all day to make, like, a Christmas ham, and you're on the, uh, you're on the Orthodox calendar, um, it's probably a good thing, like, out of a spirit of love to, to eat a piece of ham.
00:26:19.640Now, don't, don't go whole hog, obviously, pun intended, uh, but, you know, like, it's, it's gotta be based out of the spirit of love, because, uh, falling into vainglory and pride is one of those destructive things.
00:26:29.160Do you think you're being pious, and you're actually being prideful?
00:27:44.680Um, and the periods of, of Lent, of the fasts, but especially Great Lent, is when the church is, um, I guess we could say the most churchy.
00:27:53.640It's a period of, uh, of the intense realization of the spiritual world, and that's actually what Christmas, the Advent fast, is about, is the coming of the kingdom of God.
00:28:04.580And so, during the, the, the fasting periods, as Orthodox Christians prepared, or entered into the life of the church, we are subject to greater temptation.
00:28:13.980Uh, and a whole, the, the, the, the largest part, in fact, of the fasting period is to show you your sins, so that you can repent of them.
00:28:23.760It's just so that you're exactly aware of how unable you are to keep the fasting rules, because you're weak, because you're corrupt.
00:28:31.400And it's only when you come to that realization of your own human corruption, the weakness of your powers, and your, the, the, the nature of the fallen human condition, that you can actually repent of your sins.
00:28:43.500Uh, that you can come to God and ask Him to forgive you, and God will assist you in the struggle to overcome them.
00:28:49.520No, exactly, that's how it is. I mean, if you think you, you're resisting all this by your own free will, uh, no, sorry, by your own, by your own power, then you're delusional, you're prideful.
00:29:01.800It's not your own power, it's God's power. Even if it's, it doesn't even have to be not eating meat. It can be all kinds of fear.
00:29:11.320You're not resisting without your own power, you're resisting through Christ's power. So, unless you turn to Christ, then you're powerless before.
01:04:30.180I'm quite disappointed with it already.
01:04:31.940But nevertheless, we shall get on to the content.
01:04:34.180So in part one of our show, we talked about Advent, Christmas, I think, fittingly enough for the title.
01:04:42.400But in part two, we have some extremely interesting content to bring you about a place that's much renowned.
01:04:49.840Very interesting, as I mentioned before.
01:04:51.660I'm trying to think of some other adjectives to describe the state of Maine.
01:04:55.120So here with me, I've got a man who knows his way around a thesaurus, Paddy Tarleton.
01:04:59.700So, Paddy, I hear you're – is the term manor?
01:05:06.140Well, I live in New England, but I'm a – you know, the whole of New England, really, I'm a big – I've always been a very big fan of New England history.
01:05:16.880I mean, I've always been a history nerd.
01:05:18.120You know, many of us in this movement are.
01:05:28.360I grew up in the mid-Atlantic, just outside of Philadelphia, sort of in between Philly and Baltimore, and, you know, in northern Delaware.
01:05:37.400But I always had a love for New England.
01:05:39.160When I finally moved up there, I started – you know, all these places I'd read about for so many years, I actually got to go visit a lot of the sites and everything.
01:05:47.880But, you know, before the American Revolution, I mean, you know, that's sort of – we learn about American history and the North American history, and all we really, especially in the U.S., is learn about.
01:05:58.400It's like, okay, well, it all sort of – there's Jamestown, and then there was Plymouth, and then we skip right to 1775 and, you know, screw all that other stuff in between.
01:06:08.000So it was always this sort of obscure period that not many people on this continent, whether you're in the U.S. or Canada, know very much about.
01:06:16.580But it was always something that I was really deeply obsessed with.
01:06:18.960But, you know, you mentioned Maine specifically.
01:06:23.040Now, Maine, the guy who is known as the father of Maine and, in many ways, the father of New England – I'm sorry, not New England, New France.
01:06:34.440Because in those days, very beginning of the 17th century, you had two very large powers.
01:06:39.300You had New England and you had New France, and New France was, at first, the more successful one.
01:06:44.200And the father of New France, as most Canadians would know – not many Americans might not know this, but I would assume – do most Canadians know this history, by the way?
01:06:52.260Yes, they do. They teach it in history class.
01:06:55.300Well, most Americans don't know this, either side of it.
01:06:58.540They don't know much about New England either, which is funny because, you know, we always think that the American Civil War was the bloodiest war we're taught that took place in North America.
01:07:40.700But that's another sort of misconception is we tend to think that the Indians were sort of these, like, you know – I mean, yeah, they were definitely savage and brutal in their culture.
01:07:49.100It was completely different from European culture.
01:07:51.020But they – a lot of them weren't pagan by this point.
01:07:55.340A lot of them were converted to Catholicism.
01:07:57.360And then likewise, a lot of the English allied Indians had converted to Protestantism, namely, you know, the Puritan variety.
01:08:05.920But anyway, I have topics to sort of ramble, ramble, ramble, ramble, because I get really excited about this subject.
01:08:12.080So anyway, with Maine, you have Samuel de Champlain.
01:08:17.120And I'm not a French speaker, so I'm probably going to pronounce some of these things, you know.
01:08:30.760He was considered the father of New France.
01:08:32.960And what's actually really fascinating about him is a lot of what we know about Samuel Champlain and just, you know, the French in, you know, specifically Maine in particular, comes from the Jesuits.
01:08:49.920You know, a lot of the Jesuit missions that were set up, they were all along the Maine coast and going into, you know, Canada.
01:08:57.780They, a lot of the Indian languages that survive to this day, some of the best intact languages that haven't been lost in history are here because of the Jesuit missions that Samuel de Champlain helped set up in Maine.
01:09:13.100And he also drew up the first map of Maine.
01:09:15.700So, you know, the French were sort of better navigating their way around the northeastern part of the continent long before the English were.
01:09:24.360And that's really the history of both Canada and the U.S.
01:09:27.860I mean, you look at the history of the North American continent, it's a very large sort of, very large, massive series of smaller wars between Franco-Anglo, you know, forces.
01:10:23.720But an interesting, one thing he was not, he was not very good at, wasn't very much of a woodsman.
01:10:30.640You know, he had other people sort of worked under him do that.
01:10:33.060He actually, there's a funny story with him.
01:10:34.720He got lost in the Maine wilderness for almost a month.
01:10:37.620If you can imagine that at that time, you know, Maine, of course, to this day is a lot of pristine, you know, wilderness and so does, you know, eastern Canada.
01:10:46.660But at that time, it was even more so.
01:10:49.180I mean, it was just a, you know, it would have been to the European mind something like out of a fairy tale, like the Lord of the Rings type, you know, like Middle Earth or something.
01:11:01.560They weren't familiar with the aboriginals that lived there.
01:11:03.780You know, modernity hadn't really set in, you know, the Enlightenment really hadn't happened yet, you know, on the scale that it would have, you know, shortly thereafter.
01:11:14.420And, you know, so people's imaginations were running wild with, not that I'm going to sit here and praise the Enlightenment, but you know what I mean.
01:11:21.420Like, they viewed the Indians at first as being sort of like associated with demonic forces.
01:11:30.680But now, that was more of sort of an Anglo-Protestant view.
01:11:34.940The French Catholic idea was really to, they got really interested in converting them.
01:11:41.260And that's what Samuel Champlain, that was one of his big goals.
01:11:44.700He was very big on sort of studying them and he wanted to, you know, setting up missions and everything.
01:11:49.720So anyway, he got lost in this deer hunting expedition with the Huron Indians, who later adopted a lot of the French language over time.
01:11:57.340And he got lost for about a month and during this time, you know, he thought he was going to die and, you know, he's starving and everything.
01:12:05.020And then he ended up meeting with another detachment of Huron Aboriginals.
01:12:10.180And they insisted that he stay, that he not leave for France, that he just sort of, you know, stick around.
01:12:18.420But because of that, that also, you know, that helped kind of get the ball rolling for, you know, the economy of New France and everything sort of building up and everything.
01:12:27.420And, of course, this created a series of wars, what we now call the Beaver Wars.
01:12:33.920It was a, it was a very large, what's the word I'm looking for?
01:12:39.380It was, it was, it was just a, I'm fucking up again.
01:12:42.100You're going to have to edit this out.
01:12:52.920No, the Beaver Wars were a series of smaller wars that were over the, you know, between the trading posts, the English and French trading posts.
01:13:06.460This kept going on for the next couple of decades.
01:13:09.100Champlain dies just after a large-scale war between the English and the Pequot, who were located in southern New England, where Connecticut is.
01:13:17.100And he died a year before that war ended.
01:13:20.160Now, the French weren't involved in that war, but they certainly knew what was going on because some of their Indian allies were getting riled up with a lot of the stories that they were hearing over the border, which is where the Kennebec River was.
01:13:32.200That was considered where the New France ended and New England began.
01:13:36.520But that was contested between the English, you know, from, they didn't agree on where the border was.
01:13:41.860So this started, you know, this started contributing to further tension between them.
01:13:46.580And eventually you get to about mid to late part of the 17th century, going into 1670s.
01:13:54.400And by 1675, there was another war that broke out between the French and the English this time.
01:14:27.360Yeah, those of our listeners who are not aware, the Jesuits, when they came to what is now today Canada, but also America, New France, with Samuel de Champlain, kept extremely good records.
01:14:39.280And so these are recorded as the Jesuit relations.
01:14:42.620So that's not them getting gay with each other or anything.
01:14:45.920That's their relations with the Indians primarily and with the English.
01:14:50.800And so they have extremely detailed records of the encounter between the Europeans, the French specifically, and the Indians.
01:15:09.620And so there's quite a huge, for Catholics at least, spiritual power that comes out of that era.
01:15:14.660Because we know the Canadian martyrs are all canonized, were killed by the Iroquois, actually, because they were aiding the Huron.
01:15:23.980They were missionarying to them and living with the Christianized Huron.
01:15:27.440And when their mortal enemies, the Iroquois, specifically Mohawk, came up into Georgia Bay, they were all, shall we say, put to the Indian sword.
01:15:40.440And for those of you who are not familiar, put to the Tomahawk.
01:15:45.500Yeah, no, that's not quite what I'm referring to.
01:16:13.200And so on, you know, in the black robes and all this business.
01:16:15.780Quite terrifying, intimidating, kind of the effect, I think, Loyola was going for.
01:16:20.840And so Bré-Plaibouf, what they did is they put him through the ritual torture and execution that they would do on an enemy chief that they had captured.
01:16:29.260And so when you capture an enemy war leader, an enemy chief, you know, he knows he's going to die.
01:16:34.660But what they do is they torture him to prove his mettle so that he can have an honorable death, a cleansing ritual, as he moves into the afterlife as a victorious and valiant warrior.
01:16:44.480Even though he's been captured in battle and has not slain his enemies.
01:16:48.900And so the Bré-Plaibouf was put through, you know, these tortures.
01:16:55.080And so, you know, they did stuff like, you know, so they boiled water and poured it on his head in a mockery of baptism.
01:17:02.940You know, they started cutting off his digits.
01:17:05.680You know, other important male organs.
01:17:08.180And the whole time this was happening, Bré-Plaibouf was praying fervently for them and telling them of the joys that could be theirs in the kingdom of heaven.
01:17:18.320And the Indians, the Huron, excuse me, the Huron, the Mohawk, did actually something that's not honorable by their own traditions.
01:17:25.260Is the praying and the exhortation of Bré-Plaibouf got to be so, because he could speak their language, got to be so abhorrent to them that they tore off his jaw.
01:17:39.300And then they cut out his heart and ate it.
01:17:45.940That was a big, the, the, both, the Algonquin tribes, you know, especially the, mainly the Wabanaki Confederacy, which was comprised of several different tribes, with the Wabanaki sort of being the de facto leaders of that confederacy.
01:18:02.500It was never official, but that's sort of what they were known as.
01:19:08.840Well, hey, Patty, I actually have a question, because obviously I'm better versed in southern history on kind of this time period.
01:19:18.140But, you know, in the south, and I guess like the middle colonies, there were the five civilized tribes, the Cherokee, Choctaw, Cree, Chickasaw, and Seminoles.
01:19:26.980What was kind of like the legal situation or kind of the view in New England at the time?
01:19:34.020Was there anything similar to the tribes that were kind of considered civilized?
01:19:37.280Because, I mean, these tribes were, you know, very European in a lot of ways with like literacy and like a centralized government and a lot of, I mean, they were slaves.
01:19:46.980So what was kind of the legal situation with the other tribes in New England?
01:19:54.120Early on, the Indians were both, you know, whether they were French-allied or English-allied, because it's always important to make the distinction, because both of their, you know, both of those two allied tribe peoples, I don't want to say tribes, they were comprised of different tribes.
01:20:07.740But the two Indian allies were sort of different from one another.
01:20:11.140They didn't really have a lot of the same customs.
01:20:13.020But if you're talking about the French, you have the Algonquins, the English had mostly Iroquois, and the Iroquois, I guess is the correct pronunciation.
01:20:23.440I'm so sorry, I'm talking like an idiot today.
01:20:26.460The English-allied tribes that were considered civilized at the time, one of them was the Mohegan, not to be confused with the Mohican, with a C, like last of the Mohicans.
01:20:37.300But these were the Mohicans, with a G, and they were Christianized very early on.
01:20:41.520And the Pequot were Christianized after the Pequot War, which took place, it broke out a year after Champlain died in 1636.
01:20:51.340And they were, after that war had ended, then they began what the English called them praying Indians.
01:20:57.860That was the sort of the slang term, the popular term for them, called praying Indians.
01:21:02.780And the French had a sort of interesting way of Christianizing the Indians.
01:21:08.140They would just sort of, these Jesuits would walk into an Indian village, and they would just martyr themselves.
01:21:14.960They would just deliberately martyr themselves.
01:21:16.880And the Abenaki Indians, in particular, saw this as, you know, pagans today will say, oh, the Christians are cocked.
01:21:24.480And they're so, well, the interesting part about that is that the Indians actually didn't view it that way at all.
01:21:29.660One of the big reasons they were so interested in converting was because they viewed it as being very badass.
01:21:35.320Like, they were like, holy shit, these guys are just, like, you know, throwing away their weapons and marching into our territory and saying, yeah, come and get me.
01:23:51.320The reason why the White House was burned by loyalist Canadian militia and British regulars was because they had burned down York just prior to that.
01:24:02.840So, it was sort of a retaliatory burning.
01:24:05.420It wasn't, you know, just sort of like this random act of hostility.
01:24:08.860And they actually spared a lot of buildings and a lot of, you know, early founding documents and important things that were, you know, that were important to the history of the U.S.
01:24:21.500So, it wasn't really that, it wasn't quite as bad an incident that we learned.
01:24:26.360But like you said, it was, it definitely was 200 years too early.
01:25:12.040And contrary to what many people might think, you know, I do have primarily, I'm Anglo-Irish descent with my mother's side, we're all English Protestants, but my father's side were Irish Catholics.
01:25:25.660So, you know, that's where the name Patty comes from.
01:25:27.800But I tend to be more of an Anglophile in the history.
01:25:30.880I'm not really into the Fenian republicanism, just never got into that.