Mysterium Fasces - Mysterium Fasces Episode 49 — Orthodoxy + The West

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00:04:29.920 How's it going with you?

00:04:32.280 I'm still here.

00:04:34.160 Believe it or not.

00:04:34.980 The system has tried everything they could throw at me to break me.

00:04:37.440 I'm still here.

00:04:38.840 Yeah, well, that is the struggle indeed.

00:04:39.100 Yeah, well, that is the struggle indeed.

00:04:42.120 So we're glad to have you here.

00:04:43.300 So we're glad that you haven't been thrown at the gulag just yet so that we can get into our discussion for today, which is on orthodoxy in the West and their compatibility.

00:04:51.860 We'll get into that in a little bit.

00:04:53.100 Before we continue, I promised some friends of mine that I would shill and pimp their very excellent product.

00:05:00.340 And so this is some good friends of mine in Europe, various European nationals and organizations, including the Russian imperial movement, DSSS, Czech Social Justice Party, Serbian fellows, Bulgarian fellows have launched an online youth nationals magazine by the name of Spear-National.

00:05:17.920 So, and so I'm going to include a link to that in the description as I promised my friends that I would.

00:05:23.020 So I would implore you and encourage you to go check it out.

00:05:24.940 I've got some good stuff going on there.

00:05:26.880 And as I record this, we're about a week away from Holy and Great Wednesday.

00:05:31.540 So about a week out from Orthodox Easter.

00:05:33.720 Catholic listeners will be coming up on that as we speak.

00:05:37.140 So I wish you a blessed end to your Great Lenten fasts and a very, very blessed Pascha.

00:05:41.920 Hopefully it was fruitful.

00:05:44.780 And if you have the opportunity to listen to this while the ascetic labors are still going on, I would encourage you to stay true because we all fail. 0.94

00:05:54.620 And I'm certainly making somewhat of a confession here.

00:05:57.620 We all are inconsistent with the application of our discipline.

00:06:01.820 But the retention of the rule is absolutely essential.

00:06:06.080 Okay, so with that kind of out of the way, unless you had any sideways comments you wanted to interject, Father, I thought that we'd get right into the main subject.

00:06:16.840 I think pimping might be a little strong.

00:06:19.400 Yeah, I was being facetious.

00:06:21.120 I mean…

00:06:22.080 Oh, for sure. 1.00

00:06:22.640 Okay, so you're actually a pimp for prostitutes. 1.00

00:06:24.820 Okay, good. 1.00

00:06:25.200 No, no, indeed, indeed.

00:06:26.740 I don't believe that.

00:06:27.660 I think that it's a nationalist magazine, not Playboy or something.

00:06:31.860 No, I recognize.

00:06:33.120 I endorse it.

00:06:33.720 It's a great group of guys, yeah.

00:06:35.100 Yeah, absolutely.

00:06:36.600 And so the topic for today, perhaps the best way to introduce our listeners to it, is I can recount how it was brought up with me.

00:06:44.660 So a good friend of mine, a fellow by the name of Phil, excellent man if he's listening, he suggested this topic to me, and I thought it was worthy enough to make a whole episode on, and I think that you're exactly the guest to have to discuss it.

00:06:55.080 So what he essentially wanted me to address was the claims from adherents of Oswald Spengler and his historiographical theories that orthodoxy is a fundamentally Eastern religion, which conforms to this kind of Magian worldview, and is – that's distinct from the kind of – as Spengler defines it, the Western Faustian worldview.

00:07:18.680 And that, therefore, orthodoxy as a religion is incompatible with the life and nature of Western peoples and is doomed to failure and is totally civilizationally incompatible.

00:07:28.680 And so that's a big subject, and so there's several different aspects to it.

00:07:35.440 But that's essentially the tipping point for us to discuss more generally, I think, the situation for orthodoxy in the West and its history, its prospects, its integration, and the ultimate compelling reasons for why orthodoxy is correct and should be adopted by Western peoples, even if it's inconvenient.

00:07:58.400 So, Father, do you have any initial comments you'd like to make?

00:08:02.560 My biggest problem is that I know too much.

00:08:05.440 You know, I hardly even know where to begin on a topic this – this is why we're all here, this whole question.

00:08:12.580 It's so broad that it's very difficult to even come up with a starting point.

00:08:18.020 But the way that you term that – now, I've never heard anyone say that before, but I also isolate myself from most people anyway.

00:08:25.640 I first got into Spangler years ago, many years ago, actually, because I loved his distinction between culture and civilization.

00:08:37.360 I had a similar dichotomy, you know, but he was the first guy I read that actually, you know, developed it as a philosophical understanding.

00:08:47.740 And the person that you're talking to doesn't know very much about this topic because in terms of being doomed to fail, the whole point of the decline of the West is that it's a Faustian civilization that's doomed to fail.

00:09:00.980 The problem with people like Spangler and Danielewski and, you know, Toynbee and these guys is that they make such heavy generalizations.

00:09:16.220 I mean, that's the nature of their work.

00:09:17.460 I mean, this is, you know, meta, meta, meta history that it's – you have to take it all with a grain of salt because to bring entire civilizations under a few words is just not possible.

00:09:31.160 And Spangler refers to things like the Polinarian or Magian.

00:09:34.520 He's referring to a deep background tendency that may or may not show itself in how we actually function.

00:09:43.440 It is so – people like Losev would refer to it as a myth, the story that we tell ourselves in the back of our minds that informs our actions.

00:09:55.560 And the way that he describes things is accurate except that the Magian culture has a tendency to be dualistic.

00:10:03.520 Spangler is no expert on orthodoxy.

00:10:06.080 He doesn't say much about Russian orthodoxy and decline of the West compared to what he says about other peoples.

00:10:16.280 When I first read Spangler, I was struck by the fact that he thought that the huge onion dome was a way to keep something inside, like a plug, the protection from the outside world, which I thought was kind of nice actually.

00:10:33.000 But we are not dualists whatsoever, and that's central to his understanding of the Magian culture.

00:10:42.560 I guess he – we can interpret him to mean that we have virtuous acts and we have sinful acts.

00:10:49.640 But the problem I have with Spangler and all these guys that – Eric Volklin is another one who have these huge metahistorical surveys is the danger of bringing an entire millennia of development and many, many nations coming and going under – within a few pages.

00:11:11.980 And that's always going to be dangerous, and that's why at one time I was deep into Spangler.

00:11:16.960 Now I realized that you can't be a specialist in everything.

00:11:21.380 The problem with these huge metahistorical surveys is that when you come across a specialist in one of these areas, you're going to have a lot of problem with these overarching statements.

00:11:31.600 Well, that's exactly correct, and I think before we go on, I can read you a couple of quotes from Spangler for our listeners' benefit of him to kind of – yeah, to illustrate this point.

00:11:45.140 Okay, so let's see here.

00:11:47.580 Okay, here we go.

00:11:49.680 So this is part of a quote from Spangler's Volume 2, page 233, Collective Works of Spangler.

00:11:55.280 Here, he says here,

00:12:01.740 The light shines through the cavern and battles against the darkness.

00:12:08.400 He's referring to John here and speaking of the Magian conception of the cavernous universe.

00:12:14.000 Up and down, heaven and earth become powers that have entity and contend with one another.

00:12:17.820 But these polarities, in the most primary sensations, mingle with those of refined and critical understanding, like good and evil, God and Satan.

00:12:25.840 Death, for the author of John's Gospel, as for the strict Muslim, is not the end of life but something, a death force, that contends with a life force for the possession of man. 0.96

00:12:34.740 But still, more important than all this is the opposition of spirit and soul, referencing the Hebrew Ruach and Nefesh, and the Persian Ahu and Urvan, and the Mandean Manumuhed and Gayan, Greek Numa and Psyche, etc., which comes out as the basic feeling of the prophetic religions, and then pervades the whole of the apocalyptic, and finally forms and guides the world contemplations of the awakened culture Philo, Paul and Plotinus, Gnostics and Mandeans, Augustine and Avesta, Islam and the Kabbalah.

00:13:03.380 Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

00:13:06.540 I mean, I can read you a couple, I won't get into a couple of other quotes, but essentially, when you read this, one of the things that stood out for me is that he doesn't actually have a very deep understanding of, like, orthodox theology.

00:13:18.060 And so, I mean, the predicate of his whole, like, theological claim of the religious-cultural synthesis of the ancient Mediterranean world is that it was, that orthodoxy is, like, dualistic.

00:13:31.640 And that it is a religion of, you know, dialectical tension.

00:13:37.320 And that seems to be the key kind of theme that he advocates as the underpinning of the Magian worldview, that there is this, you know, great sphere under which this dialectical tension is, you know, unraveling its battle.

00:13:49.680 And that man is just a part in it, and he just subsumes himself to this whole great morass of, you know, Magian evil and good energy that permeates and does all this stuff.

00:13:58.500 It's really just not orthodox at all.

00:14:02.540 Well, he doesn't understand that the first line of that quote, that darkness doesn't have any real existence.

00:14:09.960 It's not a – I mean, darkness in the sense of emptiness, of evil.

00:14:13.180 It doesn't have any real – you know, it's not substantial in and of itself.

00:14:20.080 The demons would love you to believe that they're autonomous and they rule their own world, but, you know, everything is under God's control.

00:14:28.160 Now, that is something that most Christians probably don't even stop to think about.

00:14:32.300 Now, evil really doesn't exist because, at least for his remnant and for his church, everything comes into existence for the sake of the progress of our people.

00:14:46.220 So, claiming that the darkness somehow has a substantial existence, so substantial that it's at war with the light is kind of a – it's a strange way to approach it.

00:14:59.140 So, again, I could make identical claims with the Polymerian culture as well as the Faustian culture or civilization, I should probably say in this case because they all have a story where, you know, there's their list of virtues against their list of vices.

00:15:17.720 There's nothing – you know, the myth of Faustianism is that it is – you know, the rational mind is at war with something like superstition.

00:15:29.480 Or maybe I could say it's at war with the primitive.

00:15:32.040 That's probably a better way to put it.

00:15:34.580 So, medulism, I could find it everywhere.

00:15:36.360 So, you know, I just – it's – yeah, it comes from his lack of knowledge of the East, which is – you know, you could spend 20 lifetimes studying just one small aspect of Islam.

00:15:50.140 And bringing and calling it a culture in and of itself is really dangerous.

00:15:54.140 It's just too big.

00:15:55.640 Any of his generalizations about the Magian culture, I could find elsewhere.

00:16:00.280 That's the problem he – I think he has.

00:16:01.700 Yeah, I mean, this is another – this comes out also extremely heavily if you read the works of Julius Evola.

00:16:09.060 And, like, Evola has this – he'll do this thing where he'll be discussing a certain, like, esoteric philosophy or mode of religious expression.

00:16:18.140 And then he will describe, like, what is literally analogous to, like, a Christian practice or Christian understanding of the world.

00:16:27.140 And then he will say, ah, yes, but this is – the Christians, they don't believe this.

00:16:30.660 And I remember what I would – and, like, in Ride the Tiger, like, he'll talk about, like, sacramental marriage, right, and sacred, you know, sexual union.

00:16:40.260 And he will describe, you know, some of the basic ideas behind, you know, any culture, including Christians' understanding of sacramental union and fleshly unity and so on.

00:16:49.760 And then he'll say, but this is absent in the Christian worldview.

00:16:52.620 And I can remember, like, literally laughing.

00:16:54.920 And this is a very common error that I see in a lot of these different metahistorical writers or worldly writers is that often they are not, as you say, specialists in especially the area of theology, which is kind of what the show is discussing about at the end of the day.

00:17:10.300 And it leads to a lot of these errors.

00:17:14.080 Well, reading any of the traditionalists – and some of the traditionalists, you know, cite Spengler all the time, or at least you're influenced by him.

00:17:22.300 You know, the traditionalists are great reading.

00:17:24.880 There's a lot of problems with them, as you well know.

00:17:26.920 But the tendency – I think I said this before on this show – they'll mention a phenomenon, and then they'll list the parallel phenomenon in, you know, Buddhism and Islam and, you know, pagans from the Zulu land or something like that.

00:17:43.860 And every time I read that, I have to wince because, you know, there's no doubt that specialists in these areas will have a lot of problem with that.

00:17:52.040 Now, of course, remember, guys like Danielewski or Spengler or Toynbee, they're not giving you details.

00:18:00.180 Their purpose is to see civilizations as these huge overarching things.

00:18:04.920 And I think that they're aware – I mean, and I'm positive they're aware that they're being wildly simplistic.

00:18:10.400 But they're not referring to the day-to-day actions of people living in these societies, but the myth, so to speak, that underlies – deeply underlies their – the deepest subconscious reasons for their action.

00:18:25.620 That's probably the best way I can put it.

00:18:27.760 So I think they're very much aware of the problems that they have.

00:18:30.600 But when I first read Danielewski, for example, a very similar set of works to Spengler, I said, you know, throwing an entire civilization into a sentence is – I'm sorry, it's no way to do history, despite the tremendous insights that Spengler and Danielewski have – Toynbee have for that reason – for that matter.

00:18:49.060 But civilizations are real, nations are real, and they should be discussed as such, almost as individuals.

00:19:00.040 And the term myth – I keep going back to the term myth used in Alexei Losev as this meta-historical story that a civilization will have, that a nation will have, that justifies itself, that most of the time people are unaware of.

00:19:14.180 But they assume it in everything that they do in a very, very deep subconscious sense.

00:19:17.560 You know, that's also real.

00:19:20.500 But their biggest weakness then, and they're aware of this, is throwing very deep descriptive terms.

00:19:27.900 And, you know, the problem with these meta-historians too is – again, as I said, the specialists will have a lot of problem with this.

00:19:35.200 When he starts talking about Russia, he starts talking about the East, I wince, because it's so broad that it really damages his argument in general.

00:19:43.860 He has great insight with the difference between culture and civilization.

00:19:48.420 That is very real.

00:19:49.340 That is visible.

00:19:50.520 That is empirically verifiable.

00:19:52.440 No doubt about it.

00:19:54.060 But really what it comes down to is that he's talking about subconscious reasons for action that are deeply, deeply embedded in the person born and raised in this civilization.

00:20:04.440 Yeah, exactly.

00:20:34.440 The worldview predicates of – like orthodox philosophy, like universal truth and that kind of thing.

00:20:41.780 Yeah, the idea of transcendent spirit that's not in conflict with local expressions of soul and body.

00:20:48.440 So what do you think, Father?

00:20:52.840 Well, when he refers to civilization – I mean, a civilization – Alexander Dugan talks in similar terms too.

00:20:58.920 In no way is he giving a detailed analysis of the Atlantean culture or a land-based empire.

00:21:05.000 But again, these guys are aware of all the problems that – books like Imperium is another example.

00:21:14.180 I don't think Yaki's Imperium reaches a level of Spanglin. 0.52

00:21:17.360 I don't think it's as sophisticated as Spanglin.

00:21:20.020 But they're all in the same boat.

00:21:21.640 I think if we just talk about any one specific approach, we'll end up talking about them all.

00:21:27.820 Yeah, I think so as well.

00:21:29.400 Okay, so I think that the best way to go at it would just be to – when I talk to people about this, essentially what the subtext of this argument is that Western man has his own particular soul that has its own archetype and expression.

00:21:44.600 And that if we attempt to adopt worldviews or systems of thought that are against this archetype, then it's just going to be incompatible.

00:21:52.580 It's basically – it's doomed to fail and it's just a waste of time.

00:21:55.960 And so that's kind of what I see sometimes.

00:21:57.840 I sometimes see this argument used by like Protestants and by Catholics and Nietzschean types against orthodoxy, which is back to the original point.

00:22:06.620 And so – so go ahead.

00:22:08.180 Well, think of it like this.

00:22:10.120 Not so much that it's doomed to fail, but rather that a movement alien to the civilization can succeed, but it will inevitably develop similar traits to the civilization that it's functioning in.

00:22:26.900 In other words, it will – like the early – the National Bolsheviks said that the Communist Party in 1917, eventually they will become Russian.

00:22:39.140 Eventually they will become – it will become a native movement.

00:22:42.040 You know, once the Jews are out of the way, it will become a native movement. 0.80

00:22:44.680 And any of these movements in a certain civilization will – even if it's foreign, even if it's strange to people, if it is to succeed, it will take on, in a very general sense, some of the traits of the civilization almost inevitably that it develops in.

00:23:01.120 So it's not so much doomed to fail, but it's doomed to be modified.

00:23:04.840 And I guess the – that's never how they present it, though.

00:23:08.580 Usually it's like a dialectical opposition, you know.

00:23:11.780 But my point is that – I mean, it's like a rhetorical flourish, essentially.

00:23:17.600 So they could wave their big, big-brained Spengler caps and look down on unorthodox people.

00:23:23.460 And so the – like I would start with basic like philosophical truths of the orthodox worldview.

00:23:31.600 I mean, so is there universal truth, right?

00:23:34.420 I mean, this is a basic question.

00:23:35.740 And so, I mean, like how – if there is universal truth, if that is the foundation of the worldview and that this truth is noble and that humans can interact with this spiritual reality objectively and that many people can participate in the same overarching order, then –

00:23:56.560 And that order is universal, like logic or mathematics.

00:24:01.180 You know, there's – and this is – I've seen people like critique Spengler is that, you know, Greek mathematics and – are not different from modern mathematics in the sense of the actual forms of the numbers and the equations.

00:24:14.580 That the internal logic is that the internal logic is the same.

00:24:18.500 Obviously, these – there's no such thing as, you know, kind of brute facts.

00:24:21.540 They have to be interpreted according to one's own worldview.

00:24:24.200 But there is a lot of empirically demonstrable information that's not relative and that's not shifting.

00:24:31.660 And so the claim of orthodoxy essentially is that, yes, this – it is true.

00:24:35.200 There is this transcendent logos or world order and that this is universally applicable.

00:24:40.780 This is the firmament for all of life.

00:24:42.800 This is the very personality and substance which sustains rationality or meaningful conduct at all.

00:24:51.340 That to speak – to use words – this is where the logos and word are identical in Greek.

00:24:55.160 To use words itself presupposes meaning and actors and ends and objects which are separate but linked to the body intimately.

00:25:05.200 And so the claim of orthodoxy is that this substance slash personality, I mean, is Jesus Christ.

00:25:13.040 And that because this is a universal truth, it's applicable to all civilizations and societies.

00:25:19.900 Now, but what orthodoxy also teaches is that there's not a conflict or tension between local ethnic tradition, the kind of product of the spiritual, physical communion and adaptation to the environment, the land.

00:25:35.720 That these – this reality and these folkways and customs and language and sense of national identity are not to be suppressed by the spirit but rather integrated and deified by the spirit.

00:25:48.660 That there is not a tension or a clash between one and another.

00:25:52.620 And this is precisely the rationale why we have liturgy in local languages.

00:25:56.900 Well, you know, I've made this a centerpiece of so much of my research over the years and it shows you the difficulty in Spengler where you can have something – let's just, for our sake, use the term Magian movement that comes into – that goes elsewhere and without eliminating its universal truths, begin to take on the traits of its home culture.

00:26:22.000 And in fact, in fact, even enrich it.

00:26:25.720 But the one thing I want to – you know, Spengler, I want to scream at him.

00:26:30.840 The environment in which Christ functioned was Greek.

00:26:35.860 People don't realize that Europe was much bigger in the ancient world.

00:26:41.740 The Apollinarian culture existed alongside and intermixed with the Magian culture all throughout the Middle East and North Africa.

00:26:49.140 You know, Christ is from a Greek area.

00:26:54.220 Mary is from Sepphorus, which is a Nazareth. 0.67

00:26:57.020 It's a very tiny suburb of it.

00:26:59.960 This is in Deocopolis.

00:27:01.340 This is in the other word for Galilee.

00:27:03.780 It was a Greek city.

00:27:05.720 Now, if you're a carpenter there, you do your buying and selling in Sepphorus, in the Greek city.

00:27:12.540 And this was the cultural – despite the fact he was educated at the temple, the fact that he's from a Greek area is extremely significant.

00:27:22.420 I mean, this is why the first New Testament was written in Greek.

00:27:26.500 And people living there, obviously, as Christ proved, were multilingual.

00:27:30.920 He spoke to Pilate.

00:27:31.800 He spoke in Latin.

00:27:32.520 But Greek was a dominant language in much of Deocopolis, especially in the urban areas.

00:27:39.840 That's something that really is a problem for Spengler because, you know, it's really uninteresting to say, well, two plus two equals four in all civilization.

00:27:50.660 That's not really an interesting point.

00:27:52.040 So the point is, what's the significance of that in other places?

00:27:58.340 So in the concept of number in the ancient world, actually in both the Apollinarian and the Magian world, numbers are figures.

00:28:07.120 They're icons.

00:28:08.540 They have a meaning that's far deeper than just as a numeral.

00:28:14.280 And this was the ancient understanding.

00:28:15.860 The Middle East, where Christ was born and raised, really is an exception to Spengler's theory because the Magian and the Greek or, you know, the Apollinarian were living not just side by side, but very deeply intertwined.

00:28:33.620 We could use the example of Philo, for example.

00:28:35.920 We could use the example of Justin Martyr, one of my favorite church fathers.

00:28:40.380 So, again, that's why these civilizational terms are so problematic.

00:28:43.420 But, you know, these two, you know, there's very little in the Magian world in the Middle East that wasn't heavily influenced by Plato, even the things that came before Plato.

00:28:58.000 So, you know, and Justin Martyr, as you know, made the argument that Plato was heavily influenced by the prophets.

00:29:07.400 And, you know, he knew of them.

00:29:10.760 And his argument is actually not half bad.

00:29:13.420 You know, these aren't – and I don't even think Spengler believes that these are mutually exclusive terms.

00:29:19.140 But in Christ's day and where Christ was raised, he was raised in a Greek area.

00:29:25.120 And therefore, the distinction in this case between Magian and Apollinarian cultures is nonexistent.

00:29:30.480 Yeah, I mean, exactly.

00:29:33.640 And this is – I guess this is – the difficulty is that there is an attempt to construct this false dialectic between this – the integrated Mediterranean civilization and then the Christian order which came after it, which is just not really how the history played out.

00:29:49.900 I mean, we might get into the history, you know, in the East and in the West a little bit later on.

00:29:54.800 But I wanted to focus on kind of the philosophical points to continue.

00:29:59.120 And so the issue is that, I mean, if you – you know, you can either acknowledge this universal truth and try to appropriate it into your own life or you can reject it.

00:30:10.360 I mean, this is a basic philosophical problem.

00:30:12.340 And the difficulty is that, especially in far-right circles, in order to make appeals to universal truth claims and to, you know, philosophical categories like ethics and justice and things are right and wrong, I mean, you actually have to have, you know, a transcendental system of philosophy and of theology.

00:30:32.040 You have to justify, you know, why these things are real.

00:30:34.660 And so most people operate on the presumption that, yes, there is, in fact, objective truth that we can apprehend and that we can try to live our lives by and implement in our own lives.

00:30:45.760 I mean, especially, you know, people who describe themselves as nationalists or national socialists, this is the overt foundation of the ideology, that there is a world order that each nation can adapt itself to in its own kind of organic and unique way.

00:30:59.900 Well, you used the word dialectic.

00:31:04.660 And I know you mean it not in a strict philosophical sense because these entities would have to be opposites to function as actual dialectic motion.

00:31:15.160 People use the term all the time.

00:31:16.820 You're using it in a very loose way, which is very common.

00:31:20.260 But in no place does, you know, Spengler see these three civilizational types as opposites.

00:31:26.400 They overlap and have quite a bit in common.

00:31:29.300 That has nothing to do with the fact that they express themselves very differently.

00:31:33.280 I think the one thing in Spengler that we need to remember is that the late Faustian idea is an exception.

00:31:42.080 And I think we all agree.

00:31:44.320 Alejandro Dugan has made a career now on something that's extremely important to me, that it's unprecedented what Faustian culture has done.

00:31:52.900 There were no smartphones in the Roman Empire.

00:31:54.840 Yet no one denies that they were highly advanced in lots of other areas.

00:32:01.620 This is the Faustian culture.

00:32:03.680 And then for Spengler to remove the Kabbalah from the development of the Industrial Revolution, as we know, is simply not tenable.

00:32:12.920 You know, not only did it manifest itself in the Faustian world, it's a foundation of the Faustian world.

00:32:23.660 So, you know, these things, you know, it bothers me, and this is a problem when you get these hyper-general understandings, that the Faustian world is unprecedented.

00:32:35.060 You know, he wrote this book, he wrote Decline of the West at the end of World War I.

00:32:37.760 Now, obviously, you know, he's going to be upset about where Faustian civilization has gone.

00:32:43.240 Why didn't the Roman Empire develop the machine gun?

00:32:46.100 They certainly had, I mean, they didn't have the numeric system to do it.

00:32:51.080 But then why didn't the Hindus develop it? 0.62

00:32:52.900 Because they did have the numeric system to do it, or, you know, et cetera.

00:32:57.400 There was something else, something added to European civilization that made it Faustian.

00:33:02.240 And it is, in fact, the dominance of these so-called mystical regimes like Kabbalah.

00:33:09.100 And, you know, of all the years I've been reading on and off again Spengler, I start, as much as I love many things that he says, I start moving farther and farther away from him, precisely because of the things that we're talking about.

00:33:21.900 These are not opposite entities.

00:33:24.340 They're not, they're different, they're not opposite.

00:33:27.680 Yeah.

00:33:28.080 And so I think that that's, that's why with the show, I mean, we try to get back to these theological realities, because most people just, they, the people who make these kind of arguments, they basically like read a little bit of Spengler, or they've heard people in talk about Spengler, and then they just repeat it to justify, you know, their own worldview, right?

00:33:49.800 I mean, it's not, it's not the result of, of real critique.

00:33:53.260 And so this is, this is what it comes back to, is that, I mean, if you believe in objective truth, I mean, the claim of orthodoxy is totally lucid and valid.

00:33:59.980 It's that this truth is essentially spirit, and that this spirit is the, can be universally accessed.

00:34:08.240 It's, it's Catholic in the original and true sense.

00:34:10.500 I mean, and so this is like a, and this is the reality that logically follows if you admit to an organized, transcendent, and potentially, and spiritually, potentially perfect reality, which are, which is, you know, the dominant presupposition of most of our ancestors for the last 2,000 years.

00:34:28.980 And so I, the, you know, in order to make this claim that there's, that there are these kind of mutually exclusive, and this is, this is not necessarily what Spengler's arguing, but this is where this is taken, and that, that, that I see people express.

00:34:47.040 In order to make this claim, you essentially have to reject this reality, this, this, the Logos doctrine that we've talked about since the very first episode of this podcast.

00:34:55.200 So, all, all, all, all these civilizations, you know, I could, I could find the commonalities here very easily.

00:35:05.380 All civilizations have a concept of virtue and vice.

00:35:09.060 All civilizations have a concept of, you know, or usually a very strict concept of good and evil, including the Faustian.

00:35:17.240 All concepts have, have an idea of some kind of, of legitimate development versus illegitimate development.

00:35:23.840 They all have a concept of, of essence and energy.

00:35:27.940 They all have a concept of, of, of the need for, for some kind of techniques to make life livable.

00:35:37.220 They all believe in saints and sinners.

00:35:39.120 I mean, you know, this may take very different forms over time, but the old slogan is, is that we can find more difference within than among.

00:35:46.160 And that happens to be true.

00:35:48.780 Remember, civilization is a bunch of nations that have some vague, very general elements in common.

00:35:57.280 It's a legitimate concept historically.

00:36:00.640 But when you describe it, you end up with a sort of generality that you start wondering just how useful it is.

00:36:05.760 One of the reasons I focused on nation rather than civilization, that it's far more compact.

00:36:12.020 There's far more content to it than civilization.

00:36:16.020 But my, my contention, and, and it's always been this way, is that, um, it, with the exception of our present Faustian destruction, which by the way, yes, Spengler completely agrees.

00:36:27.720 Again, writing in 1918 is very significant.

00:36:30.380 You know, he's seeing what science can do.

00:36:32.680 The machine gun, poison gas, the tank, uh, the airplane is invented and immediately becomes a weapon of war.

00:36:39.140 And the complete destruction of, of, of human life, almost for its own sake, with that exception, these are very, you know, you can, you can interpenetrate these with, with absolutely no problem.

00:36:51.340 Um, so many of the people that you're referring to, who I know very well, they, they want to come off as, as scholars, you know, without actually doing the work involved.

00:36:59.680 And it makes them sound intelligent to refer to these civilizations and, and refer to them as, as Apollinarian, you know, as if that's, that's meaningful.

00:37:08.200 I could find the Apollinarian idea everywhere.

00:37:11.620 Um, I could find it everywhere.

00:37:13.900 Uh, I guess, uh, the only argument is that, you know, they, it may be more dominant in one place than another, but even within nations, uh, I could find it.

00:37:22.540 The only difference, and I'll repeat myself here, because it's extremely important.

00:37:25.540 This is the whole reason.

00:37:26.220 And this is an absolute truth here that Spengler accepts is that there's something different, uh, especially destructive about the late Faustine.

00:37:35.140 And that's manifest itself among other things in warfare.

00:37:39.280 Yeah.

00:37:39.860 And we've actually, we've gone on to, um, at length and other episodes of this podcast, exactly what those problems are.

00:37:46.600 I mean, I guess we can go into it briefly here.

00:37:48.780 Um, and we've talked about, you know, the history of the development of the natural sciences in the West after the great schism.

00:37:56.080 And the Protestant, uh, Reformation and the wholesale integration of Kabbalistic and esoteric systems of thought into these, these natural scientists grows directly out of alchemy.

00:38:08.220 We've demonstrated, um, uh, I think one of our episodes that we did, we, we talked about and demonstrated the history of the Royal Society in England.

00:38:17.420 And there through John Dee and then the connections through all of these different courts in, in Europe.

00:38:21.640 And so the, this is, I need to point out quite correctly that the great irony is that the, the worldview of the West is one of deception because it masquerades under the pretense of this kind of, um, you know, atheistic materialist, you know, objective, um, nominalism.

00:38:38.960 This, this, this kind of detached, you know, rational sense data-based worldview, but it actually relies upon a bunch of these really radical, directly esoteric doctrines that had, they've kind of, you know, perverted over time to suit their needs.

00:38:51.480 I think E. Michael Jones talks about the, um, you know, the, the development, Adam Smith's development of his economic theory as an appropriation of, uh, Isaac Newton's, um, worldview essentially to the economic theory.

00:39:07.120 Yeah, I, I, I've read him in that respect.

00:39:09.520 This is one of the reasons that E. Michael Jones is so absolutely essential and critical to my personal economic, uh, my intellectual development.

00:39:15.500 But his argument, just like Michael Hoffman, is that the Magian, uh, civilization is everywhere in the development of the Faustian mind.

00:39:25.820 That's what makes this society so different than the height of the Persian empire or the height of the Chinese empire.

00:39:33.280 No one would dare to claim that, that they were any less, um, scholarly, uh, and, and rational than, than the modern Westerner.

00:39:41.220 In fact, maybe even more so.

00:39:42.920 And yet they still didn't create the smartphone.

00:39:45.500 There's something different.

00:39:48.100 And this is our, Spengler's argument is that you have this constant striving that could never be satisfied.

00:39:54.820 Uh, and even Dostoevsky has a problem here, um, with this, where he says, you know, even if you were to find the end of what we might call a Faustian civilization, and you know, he might not have used the term, but he talked about it all the time.

00:40:06.920 Even if you were to find it, even if you were to find it, and you reach, and you, you reach the point where, you know, you get the Baconian new Atlantis, and you're, and you know, everyone has whatever they need.

00:40:15.840 And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and that, and, and that might even be Faustian in and of itself.

00:40:24.460 And not only can, can, can these ends not really be ever reached, but no one really wants to reach them.

00:40:29.360 Because the struggle is what defines human beings.

00:40:32.380 We can't know anything. 1.00

00:40:33.200 I mean, if we lived in a, in a utopian world, um, we would all be absolute idiots. 0.97

00:40:39.260 It's only struggle and pain that bring us to, um, uh, to any kind of, any meaning or, or knowledge whatsoever. 0.84

00:40:45.120 Uh, I wonder, you know, the, the utopian, um, obsession with Faustian man, which, you know, Francis Bacon and laying out that, that idea, and he is critical and essential to understanding that idea.

00:40:57.620 And reaching it, what would we do?

00:41:02.600 Yeah, indeed.

00:41:03.420 I think that, uh, we would destroy it.

00:41:05.240 I mean, that this, this is the, the result of idleness would, would just be death, essentially.

00:41:10.640 Um, but that's the nature of the passions is that they, they don't satisfy.

00:41:14.000 They're illusory.

00:41:15.120 And, you know, they present to you a false idea of what this, this hand reality is going to be like.

00:41:21.200 I mean, you know, the most.

00:41:22.460 So then I ask you then, what, what is then is the purpose of Faustian civilization?

00:41:25.900 This is Spengler's absolute truth.

00:41:27.620 They go through almost everything you write.

00:41:29.940 The, the end of Faustian civilization not only is unattainable, but it's undesirable.

00:41:36.680 Yeah, absolutely.

00:41:38.520 And so this is, um, I think that this kind of gets back to the larger, um, topic that I've been trying to address, which is that the history, historiographical worldviews and ideological worldviews, you know, have to be tempered by, like, theology.

00:41:54.260 And you're, you're, you're the highest levels, the highest echelons of your, your worldview and basically the way you live your life.

00:42:01.280 The, the presuppositions behind, you know, getting up for the morning are theological.

00:42:06.160 Whether or not, you know, you can, um, theologize those explicitly, uh, using, you know, complicated words or whatever.

00:42:13.460 That's, that's how people live, um, because people, people wake up every day as if life has meaning and that their actions are working towards some tail of some end and that, you know, they have, uh, you know, rationality and individuality.

00:42:26.560 They participate in a broader world that's real.

00:42:29.280 These are all, you know, assumed qualities that present themselves to, to civilizations fairly universally.

00:42:36.000 Um, that, you know, you can't just, you know, we, in the, I guess the, the perniciousness of the, this kind of decayed Faustian civilization is that these are just, um, they're all at once denied and then assumed.

00:42:48.600 And this is the difficulty is that there's not, there's like an anti-world view, the, the very negation of the possibility for a worldview, uh, is itself this worldview.

00:42:59.360 This is, uh, like the, the insanity of the kind of nominalist end-stage philosophy.

00:43:05.160 I first came across that, uh, in Leo Strauss, um, the very first time I, I, I read him.

00:43:11.300 It was, was precisely in, in rationalism, uh, where, um, you can talk about the scientific method.

00:43:19.860 Uh, you can say the scientific method is the only way to real, um, communicative truth.

00:43:27.180 That is the only method, uh, that we can come to any kind of truth until you ask them the question, well, why should I care?

00:43:34.180 What is your purpose in this kind of research?

00:43:38.340 And they may say, at some point, if you press them enough, they'll say, well, I want to make the world a most better place than it is now.

00:43:45.100 Then you say, well, is that goal a scientific goal?

00:43:49.520 And if they say no, it comes from outside of science.

00:43:53.440 Therefore, science doesn't, can't create its own ends.

00:43:56.440 It's means only.

00:43:57.760 The kind of, uh, positivist mythology that you're talking about, and we've talked about it many times, I've talked about it many times,

00:44:02.880 is based on the idea that, um, if, if they're going to be really strict about it, the idea of scientific research is scientific research.

00:44:11.800 Because even truth is something that has to come outside of the scientific mind, because you're only talking about method.

00:44:18.600 So science is wonderful when you talk about, you know, the exactitude and the rigor, ideally, of its, of its methods.

00:44:26.340 Just don't ask them why they're doing it.

00:44:30.220 Yeah.

00:44:31.520 That's pretty much it.

00:44:32.500 And so the, anyway, the same error in this worldview is ironically infected, I think, a great morass of, um, people who are dissenting against it,

00:44:42.040 because we ourselves are products of this, like, civilization.

00:44:45.800 And we have its scars and its marks stamped upon us, um, you know, without even realizing it.

00:44:51.420 And so that's the thing is that what's required in order to, to react against this kind of totalitarian world system that, that we've spent the last, you know, 49, 50 episodes talking about,

00:45:04.500 is, um, is, um, like an examination of that, of the full spectrum of your worldview.

00:45:10.600 Because the methods of control are indeed full spectrum, all the way from, from food to media and everything in between.

00:45:17.460 And so, you know, the, the solution, or to even begin to discern what is correct, what's not correct, requires an analysis and requires a worldview as a replacement that takes into consideration all of these different realities.

00:45:32.960 Um, and so if you, you know, are not, if you haven't just, like, lost your, your mind, you know, you accept, uh, I mean, you accept, you accept it, as most people do, that there is truth, that, you know, we do operate, uh, you know, some sort of substantial way that we can apprehend and come to, to grips with this, uh, real metaphysical form, you know, then the, uh, it is our contention, you know, essentially that orthodoxy has absolutely no conflict with the rest of the areas of life.

00:46:02.760 Um, that people in the nationalist community are, are presenting.

00:46:06.380 And so that the, the, the necessity is for a worldview truth in these fundamental characteristics, right?

00:46:16.100 And this is, you know, and, and memes are not like a solution to like an actual argument or, or, or a verifiable tradition that provides the solution to these questions.

00:46:25.620 Right.

00:46:26.100 And that's what orthodoxy is able to offer uniquely.

00:46:28.440 I think, and it's just one of the most eminently compelling reasons for its truthfulness is that it can, in fact, adequately address every single problem in the totality of the human experience.

00:46:39.260 And, and all of life can be integrated into it.

00:46:41.560 And this is part of its fundamental, foundational doctrine is that, that the, the savior, Christ is, uh, the logos, that he is the, the key principle to, um, the cosmic personality.

00:46:52.860 Well, I've already stated that the, the, um, uh, all civilizations, all cultures have this notion of, of good and evil, have this notion of natural law, except, except for late Faustian, which is radically different.

00:47:07.220 Um, they all have, you know, uh, virtues and vices and enlightened, or they all have this, they all recognize that human beings are imperfect, that they all recognize that, that human beings are, are struggling.

00:47:18.740 You know, you know, you know, the truth that, that Christianity, um, uh, addresses itself to are absolutely universal.

00:47:26.480 Um, these are the reasons that civilizations come into existence in the first place, or I should say cultures come into existence in the first place.

00:47:33.180 Is a human being in such a weak, a human being in such a weak, uh, entity and, and needs this whole complex of, of, uh, networks to exist.

00:47:41.260 Um, but let me go on, out on a limb here.

00:47:45.560 Um, I think the ultimate goal of the decline of the West is to make the argument that I agree with in, in every, every, uh, uh, detail.

00:47:58.100 That while earlier civilizations, well, different from one another, aren't opposites by any means, there is something special about the late Faustian culture,

00:48:09.420 which is the reason that he wrote this book in the first place, that it's the negation of everything else, that it is because of, of the industrial revolution, things like world war one, no one can match it.

00:48:21.800 Uh, we, we live in a society that never existed anywhere.

00:48:25.520 There are no analogs to our world, um, anywhere in world history.

00:48:30.520 Um, the evil that we suffer with, uh, just the very existence of a mass media and their use of psych, psychology to, to control people.

00:48:40.740 Uh, no other civilization even dreamed about that kind of power.

00:48:45.340 Late Faustian life is completely unique.

00:48:48.920 There you have, uh, something that's a so-called civilization and can only be a civilization.

00:48:54.340 It could never be a culture.

00:48:55.080 There's no such thing as a, as a, you know, what we have here, there's no such thing as a postmodern, uh, culture.

00:49:02.460 There's only a postmodern civilization.

00:49:04.480 That this is radically and specifically evil.

00:49:08.160 It's an anti-culture.

00:49:09.360 It's an anti-civilization.

00:49:11.100 And Spengler is important because he wrote this book to, to point that out.

00:49:15.700 But it has, it has no analogs, uh, uh, absolutely anywhere else.

00:49:20.360 Um, and now in that case, orthodoxy is viciously at war with the sickness of late Faustian culture.

00:49:29.400 Absolutely positively.

00:49:30.740 There's nothing to be proud of, uh, in, in postmodern civilization.

00:49:35.140 We don't fit in to, uh, the Western world or anywhere, uh, as it exists right now.

00:49:41.860 And if we did, we'd just be as sick as everyone else.

00:49:44.560 Um, we take pride in the fact we have absolutely nothing to do with this anti-culture and anti-civilization that we're forced to live in.

00:49:54.440 Yeah.

00:49:55.040 And so I, I think that it comes back to, I've discussed before on the show that a lot of, um, arguments that people make against, uh, orthodoxy or against.

00:50:04.920 Like conspiracy theories or against any sort of worldview dissection that destroys the, uh, mainstream come from a place of, uh, I guess you could say like, uh, appealing to normality.

00:50:21.940 Like people, people want to be perceived as just like kind of a regular person as not kind of, you know, crazy, a crazy person.

00:50:30.340 And when you advance ideas, which is, which conflict in essence with the local norm of the civilization around them, the milieu in which the totality of their life exists, then that makes it very uncomfortable.

00:50:43.280 And it has the potential to seriously disrupt their, uh, their whole life.

00:50:47.620 Um, and I mean, you know, who can blame them?

00:50:49.620 I mean, cause if you really accept, I mean, if you believe in orthodoxy, then living in the West is already like hell because it's so far away from what you, the ideal that you're trying to instantiate is.

00:51:00.140 And you yourself are a product of a civilization, which has formed you and molded you into a fashion that is far, far, far away from the ideal that you yourself subscribe to.

00:51:10.180 Right. And this is the, the eternal torture, I guess, of sin.

00:51:15.480 Uh, you're exactly right. You're absolutely precisely right.

00:51:19.620 Those who convert to real or true orthodoxy as Averke used to say, suffering orthodoxy.

00:51:26.720 And at no time is this in our self-interest.

00:51:30.520 Um, this is, you know, a life of pain.

00:51:34.560 We, and we give up certain things that people in this, uh, anti-culture live for.

00:51:40.180 We're absolutely freaks of nature.

00:51:42.080 If we lived in medieval China, if we lived in ancient Rome, you know, you would have far more, we have far more in common with the Stoics, um, and the Confucians than we, than we do, uh, the, the insanity of, of late Faustian culture.

00:51:58.480 Late Faustian culture, or I'm sorry, civilization benefits really, you know, the top 5% of human beings.

00:52:06.320 Everyone else is just, or, or serfs.

00:52:08.320 Um, and because they have a piece of paper that says they are free, therefore they think they are free.

00:52:13.720 Uh, there's absolutely nothing like it.

00:52:16.580 Um, the, the redefinition of words, um, the massive public ignorance, despite the fact that they are overloaded with information.

00:52:24.960 These are, these are, these are curious in their notions.

00:52:28.320 Um, this is a, a civilization that benefits a tiny group of people who now know how to use, you know, psychology and media and academia to maintain their control over people.

00:52:38.740 Um, and, you know, we should be proud when we don't fit in.

00:52:44.520 Yeah, exactly.

00:52:45.600 And I think that, um, unfortunately, a lot of this comes from an attempt to try and glorify and reclaim the legitimate virtues and goodness and impulses of Western civilization.

00:52:57.840 And, and it's conflated essentially with this, this Faustian era or this, I mean, you could say almost this like anti, the anti-Christ system, basically, that, um, you know, infiltrated its way gradually into the West's, uh, mode of being over the course of, I guess, a thousand years, pretty much.

00:53:17.020 Well, we have to accept natural law.

00:53:18.760 I don't know how you get away from natural law.

00:53:21.500 Natural law, with the exception of this late Faustian, um, morass.

00:53:27.840 Is found and accepted in all civilizations, because they have no other choice.

00:53:30.920 The very existence of a communal culture comes from natural law.

00:53:35.700 Um, there is no real civilization that ever celebrated cowardice.

00:53:41.740 All civilizations, um, recognize the importance of marriage and the family.

00:53:48.060 Uh, they all recognize the necessity of warfare and had laws and rules of war.

00:53:53.240 Um, they all had law codes, you know, that laws are such a, such a thing that they have to be written down, understood, and meant to, um, cohere with one another.

00:54:04.000 These are all manifestations of natural law.

00:54:06.600 They're deeper than civilization.

00:54:10.220 So, if, if, accepting natural, I don't know, I don't know how you get away from accepting natural law.

00:54:15.420 There you even have civilizations or epiphenomenon of, of, of, of this law.

00:54:20.280 Again, it's very general.

00:54:21.380 Of course, natural law is very general.

00:54:23.240 But you see these commonalities everywhere.

00:54:25.400 The one difference, of course, is this freakish, late Faustian culture.

00:54:29.200 Uh, but natural law is to be found everywhere.

00:54:32.240 And, and all civilizations, um, have to base themselves on it if they want to survive.

00:54:37.560 Exactly.

00:54:38.200 That's what, that's what orthodoxy finds.

00:54:39.440 That's, that's our significance.

00:54:40.980 Right.

00:54:41.200 That we base ourselves on this as a law that's not random, but comes from God.

00:54:45.220 Yeah, exactly.

00:54:46.860 And so, and I think that the, and this is the, the essence of orthodoxy is that as it exists and the doctrine that it preaches is radically, uh, diametrically opposed to the philosophy of the, the modern world of this, this kind of antichrist system.

00:54:58.620 And so, I mean, people usually come to this kind of area of thinking because they're dissatisfied with the product of the system, with the modern world and its degeneracy.

00:55:07.780 And they're looking for a solution against that.

00:55:10.780 And, you know, you get into all of these kind of alternative thinkers that are trying to provide people a worldview that is able to, you know, sustain them with life and also serve as a useful implement for, for reconstituting our people or to, to heal the wounds as a medicine to the disfigurement that we've experienced over the last, you know, four or 500 years.

00:55:29.980 And so it's our claim basically that orthodoxy is this worldview, um, and that it, it is able to account for, for all of the various aspects of human life that essentially, and this is because it has the true doctrine of Christ.

00:55:42.660 It has the true dogma of, of, you know, post-Chalcedonian orthodoxy.

00:55:48.140 It's fully God, fully man, and that everything in the divine realm can be integrated into the human life and vice versa.

00:55:53.620 And so this very radical claim, I was reading a, an art, uh, an article the other day, I think David Bentley Hart, and he was, wrote an article just on this subject.

00:56:02.720 And he said that the nature of Christianity's universal, um, recapitulation in its orthodox theology, that everything is in Christ, everything is coming back to Christ.

00:56:12.160 Christ is the creator of everything, the purpose of everything, that everything that's proper to man is in God.

00:56:16.360 Um, this is essentially where true nihilism comes from, that this is why there has not been the development of kind of a radical new religion or, or successful, um, totally divergent religious movement in the West in the last 2,000 years, is because everything is already operating based on the all-encompassing reality of the Christian worldview. 0.92

00:56:35.800 I, I, one of, one of, one of, a big pet peeves of mine is when someone uses the phrase, European civilization.

00:56:44.520 This is not something that Spengler ever used.

00:56:48.020 Uh, Donalevsky splits it in half, at the very least, that there is a, a Eastern European and Western European worldview.

00:56:54.940 But usually when someone says that we are here to defend European civilization, I say, which one?

00:56:59.880 I say, you know, the Faustian world of Francis Bacon and what came after him, defined itself and understood itself as at war with the Middle Ages.

00:57:14.520 It was a negation with, deliberately, they didn't call it the Middle Ages at the time.

00:57:18.780 That came from Plutarch, but, um, that Christian era, Francis Bacon and Newton, these guys, um, define themselves as the anti-medieval. 0.85

00:57:29.880 Um, the, the modern mentality in terms of metaphysics couldn't be anti, any, any less platonic.

00:57:38.400 The, the nominalist idea that's necessary for, for modernity is a negation of Plato.

00:57:44.380 So you ask these people, what civilization are you talking about?

00:57:47.000 How can you even refer to it as a civilization when you have mutually exclusive elements, important elements within it?

00:57:54.680 And then they, they usually call me a name and that's the end of the discussion.

00:57:57.720 Yeah. Well, and this is, um, this is the critical mechanism of control because if you can condition the language and cultural outlook, then you don't have to control the message, right?

00:58:11.560 So that's, you can't even, you almost can't even explain the gospel to people anymore without giving them like a couple of lectures in cultural anthropology of the ancient world because it's so different from our own.

00:58:21.460 Well, I said this, my last Orthodox nationalist on the two great, um, uh, one Romanian, one Georgian monastic of the 20th century, that we're at a point now where the late Faustian idea has defined itself as, you know, against natural law in every respect, certainly against Christianity.

00:58:43.520 Um, and this is, this is absolutely where we're, you know, where we're forced to live, but because of the degeneracy.

00:58:59.420 And I, we use that word very carefully, um, if everything else is falling apart, then so do words and so do meanings and words change meanings.

00:59:09.260 It seems every decade or so in, in the late Faustian idea, um, you know, usually you refer to, you know, say a young person wants to know about the faith.

00:59:19.040 And the first thing that starts talking about is sex, because this is what the late Faustian idea, you know, grabs a male sex drive and, and uses it to, to pitch products and control the most powerful force in the world.

00:59:31.160 Um, so given these facts and given the, not just the, the, um, exultation of the passion, but the ideology that the passion's role that exists, um, that automatically means that reason, I don't mean logic, but reason.

00:59:49.040 Um, is, is, is on its last legs.

00:59:51.480 So the rationalism that, that created this, this Faustian ideas has been destroyed by, by itself.

00:59:58.600 Um, the passions are all that matter, but what we live in is a, a consumer culture that has to, um, appeal to the passions to function.

01:00:07.880 The reason is about the last thing they want to talk about actual needs versus wants is the last thing they want to talk about.

01:00:14.640 So if reason is going to be destroyed, then words have to be destroyed.

01:00:17.840 And you're right.

01:00:19.500 Um, when I think of someone, you know, sort of an ordinary person, ordinary education, picking up and reading Leviticus, I say, please put it down.

01:00:28.520 You know, this is something that, you know, this is why the church really comes into existence.

01:00:34.560 It has, this has to be interpreted by people competent to interpret it.

01:00:39.200 We don't have anything in common with that civilization.

01:00:43.000 So even though these translations are wonderful, it still doesn't matter.

01:00:48.480 You don't know what you're reading.

01:00:49.740 You don't know what you're seeing.

01:00:51.160 And this is why everyone and their mother that refers to the Bible is referring really more to themselves than to what they read.

01:00:56.220 Exactly.

01:00:59.180 And this fundamental problem where people's worldviews are theologically preconditioned before they even engage with the world around them is precisely, uh, I guess the critique that we're coming at here is that.

01:01:10.240 And what I've tried to talk about is that, you know, when you're trying to interpret ideology or you're trying to, to discuss, you know, nationalism or national identity or ethnicity or life.

01:01:20.420 I mean, these are, these are integrated concepts with your worldview and the way you interpret the world around you.

01:01:26.620 They're not separate by definition.

01:01:28.100 It colors everything.

01:01:29.380 And so if you want to have a worldview that makes sense, that's orderly and you, you know, you want to have a healthy nation that, that's structured, hierarchical, all of these natural values.

01:01:39.160 These people seem to adopt more, uh, mostly based on instinct rather than, than reason.

01:01:44.980 I'm not bashing that.

01:01:46.420 Well, you actually have to have an, and analyze yourself the way that you come and approach these issues in your, the, the ideas that you imbibe from the modern world before you even begin to analyze the, these ones of the ancient world.

01:02:00.780 And so, I mean, I guess this is, uh, I think we're going to park it here because the next segment I wanted to get into, and the only way I think that we can properly explain this is to discuss some of the history of the ancient church and discuss some of the ways in which people looked at the world in those times and how that influenced the development of and spread of Christianity throughout the rest of the Roman empire, including the Western parts.

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01:05:45.900 I think, is a major error that a lot of people have, is that they're not aware, and that's

01:05:52.680 quite ignorant, of the history of Western Christianity, of its 1,700-year, very distinct,

01:06:01.500 bearing many qualities, is more akin to what we see now in modern Eastern Orthodoxy than 0.98

01:06:08.820 Roman Catholicism.

01:06:10.080 So there's a couple of different places that we can begin.

01:06:12.640 And I guess the way to understand it is we can begin with where the gospel was delivered.

01:06:18.740 I mean, and so the gospel was received and was delivered by Jesus Christ in the context

01:06:23.460 of the ancient Greco-Roman Mediterranean civilization.

01:06:27.120 And so Jesus himself was a Judean from Nazareth, as we've discussed, a heavily Hellenized area

01:06:33.280 of Palestine.

01:06:36.740 But his apostles and disciples immediately entered into and interacted with a world that

01:06:42.140 had been converging with what we would understand as classical civilization.

01:06:48.500 And so you brought up earlier, Father Johnson, the example of guys like Philo of Alexandria.

01:06:54.760 You know, we have even books in Scripture, the Book of Maccabees, talking about the difficulties

01:06:58.900 and conflict between the integration and, or lack thereof, of these two worlds.

01:07:02.980 And so I think that the, this is like a foundational truth that once it's comprehended is extremely,

01:07:11.620 extremely important because there's a myth essentially that Christianity came as a force

01:07:16.700 that was oppositional to, you know, Hellenic culture or reason or organized information or kind

01:07:26.120 of philosophical sciences, that kind of thing.

01:07:28.880 When this is exactly opposite the case, as we've discussed with figures like Justin Martyr,

01:07:34.060 early Christian philosophers and so on.

01:07:37.700 So, I guess the best way to understand it is that the gospel was delivered to a traditional society

01:07:45.720 which had the presumption of, you know, like a largely agricultural-based, patriarchal, familial-oriented

01:07:56.500 culture.

01:07:59.220 And these qualities were fairly universal across the entire geographic area that Christianity spread

01:08:04.140 outside of, you know, major metropolitan areas which were sustained by, you know, massive grain shipments.

01:08:09.340 And so, indeed, the very fact that none of its assumptions are rebuked, I mean, of course,

01:08:19.000 many are, you know, from a theological perspective, but in terms of its social organization, they're

01:08:22.980 integrated and divinized.

01:08:26.380 And we see this, you know, basic, this is the thing that, it seems foolish to explain basic

01:08:31.720 history.

01:08:32.700 I mean, you know, what is the result of the Christianization of the Roman Empire?

01:08:36.420 What's Eastern Rome, the Byzantine Empire, and integration and synthesis of these two systems?

01:08:43.620 Well, you know, I've dealt with university professors my entire life.

01:08:48.680 I was a university professor for two decades.

01:08:52.600 And you have to explain it to them.

01:08:55.740 In no area is there more myths and storytelling than in this one.

01:09:00.560 The concept of Johnson's Law is when something is obscure enough that you really don't have to do much fact-checking

01:09:08.980 because no one's going to notice anyway.

01:09:11.360 It's very important here.

01:09:13.520 The Protestant hatred of St. Constantine is really based on rumor.

01:09:20.220 Yeah, again, the notion that this was a non-white Semitic religion,

01:09:24.580 as if that in and of itself eliminates its truth.

01:09:30.460 Christ spoke Greek and Latin.

01:09:33.040 He had to function where he was born and raised and to speak to Pilate.

01:09:38.580 To function in separate, he had to have spoken Greek.

01:09:41.380 Absolutely.

01:09:42.160 Mary certainly did because that's where she's from. 1.00

01:09:45.060 So right where Christ was born,

01:09:47.220 and this is not an accident because God doesn't do anything by accident,

01:09:49.720 certainly not the incarnation of his son.

01:09:51.160 It's not going to be based on accidental circumstances at probably the one spot

01:09:56.120 where the old law, especially the mentality of the prophets,

01:10:00.940 which is identical to our ideology,

01:10:03.860 the Roman world and the Greek world all converge.

01:10:08.920 Is this an accident?

01:10:10.220 Most certainly not.

01:10:12.320 The Roman Empire was chosen, as opposed to the Chinese or anything else,

01:10:16.080 for, among many other things, its system of communication and its system of roads,

01:10:23.200 making, this is right in the prayer of the Stachyria for the Nativity.

01:10:29.320 The roads are second to none.

01:10:30.840 The bridge of the infrastructure is second to none,

01:10:33.340 making communication among different parts of the empire very easy.

01:10:36.420 You had a dominant lingua franca,

01:10:40.680 Greek in the east and Latin in the west.

01:10:43.600 And even in the west, Greek was a dominant language for some time.

01:10:47.740 In southern France, the early popes all spoke Greek.

01:10:51.700 You know, Greek, if there is going to be,

01:10:53.060 if there is an ethnic basis for ancient Christianity, it's Greek.

01:10:56.160 The earliest gospels we have, the earliest complete gospels we have are in Greek.

01:11:03.400 The men that Christ chose to be apostles had to have spoken that language

01:11:06.620 because of where they're all from.

01:11:09.960 So, I mean, that's where I would begin this discussion,

01:11:13.080 is from an ethnic point of view.

01:11:15.420 It's true that the ancient fathers said that we're not really, you know,

01:11:18.120 the Roman Empire wasn't an ethnic empire.

01:11:21.900 It didn't define itself in ethnic terms.

01:11:24.140 It defined itself as, I mean, you know, to be very simplistic about it,

01:11:29.380 it was a militaristic, stoic, very practical, secular society.

01:11:36.140 But one that unified so much of the world at the time.

01:11:41.300 And then gave a, you know, it says something when the political ideology

01:11:46.000 of the church that develops takes explicitly its forms from an empire

01:11:51.960 that at least at one point persecuted it.

01:11:55.220 That certainly means that the system itself is very important and very special.

01:12:00.020 It's going to base itself on a civilization rather than an ethnic group, 0.87

01:12:03.760 but it doesn't mean it will not take ethnic form because it has to take ethnic forms.

01:12:08.400 So that's, you know, I mean, this is such a massive topic.

01:12:11.280 I hardly know where to begin except there.

01:12:13.600 So it is a strictly European religion.

01:12:18.360 And now I'm not Christian identity.

01:12:20.440 I have many friends who are, but they are right to say that it's no accident that this was,

01:12:28.920 and if you, you know, you convert to Christianity, you live in Africa,

01:12:31.540 it was to take a name like Thomas or Philip.

01:12:34.640 You know, it was a Greco-Latin movement, and there's going to be no doubt about it. 0.99

01:12:38.600 Exactly. And so the, a lot of, like, slander and libel against Christianity

01:12:47.300 comes from, like, distortions or lies or ignorance about the history of the early church.

01:12:52.020 The idea that Christianity was, I mean, like, the classical, like, Nietzschean idea,

01:12:56.160 that it's like a slave religion that appealed to, like, the great underbelly, 0.90

01:13:00.100 oppressed class of the empire that were being ruled over by these, you know, 1.00

01:13:03.800 might makes, right, aristocratic Nietzschean ubermensch, you know,

01:13:07.300 who were defeated by, you know, some sort of Gandhian inertia.

01:13:11.240 It's, like, totally wrong. It's just, like, made up.

01:13:15.080 I mean, Christianity was especially popular among the upper class, the literate classes,

01:13:19.260 because it was a religion of scripture, and also the military.

01:13:22.820 I mean, at some points, 30% of the military and legions more was Christian.

01:13:28.520 In which Constantine was exposed to Christianity, first from his legions, 0.91

01:13:33.080 is when he would see people who, when they would conduct purges,

01:13:36.600 when he saw Christians go to death and die, confessing Jesus Christ. 0.94

01:13:41.160 And he was sympathetic for them when Diocletian was torturing them. 0.96

01:13:44.480 This is, you know, not controversial.

01:13:48.260 And so, I guess to kind of come back to it, you know, we see the spread of what,

01:13:54.400 there was one message preached by the apostles.

01:13:57.880 There wasn't a whole bunch of different conflicting versions of Christianity.

01:14:01.560 There was a singular, unified truth that was organized

01:14:04.380 and extremely prolific across the entire Mediterranean basin

01:14:07.400 within a hundred years, the death of Christ,

01:14:09.800 who understood who they were, where they came from, and what they believed.

01:14:14.400 And which, once it became integrated into the amazing organizational capability

01:14:19.760 of the existing, you know, Greco-Mediterranean society

01:14:22.820 was extremely robust and well-organized.

01:14:28.380 And this force, also in the West, it created this synthesis.

01:14:35.620 But what occurred was that there was a breakdown of military authority in the Occident.

01:14:40.500 And so, this kind of Roman Christian culture was then submerged by this tide of 0.99

01:14:48.680 kind of Germanic pagan culture.

01:14:51.700 But they didn't destroy it.

01:14:53.640 The whole purpose is that they wanted to be Romans.

01:14:56.820 You know, there's reading, I was reading, listening to a certain lecture

01:15:01.900 where the historian was discussing how in ancient Gaul, in southern France,

01:15:07.260 these different tribes that were, you know, Swabian and so on

01:15:10.440 that were coming across the border,

01:15:12.360 some of the, one of their chiefs, you know, quicked that

01:15:14.240 all Germans, or all Germanics want to be Romans.

01:15:18.300 Only a poor Roman would want to be a Germanic. 1.00

01:15:22.200 I mean, baptism was connected to citizenship.

01:15:26.380 So, you know, so all of these ideas are tightly connected and interwoven.

01:15:30.400 And so, the Western peoples of Europe,

01:15:33.320 these Germanic peoples, by, in their Christianization,

01:15:37.140 plugged themselves into all of this cultural capital in inertia

01:15:40.320 and became inheritors of that great cultural edifice

01:15:43.580 which was left over by the Greco-Roman Empire

01:15:47.340 and sustained by the Christian religion.

01:15:52.300 Well, for those of us born and raised in this late Faustian world,

01:15:57.620 if we were to watch someone being raised anywhere in the Roman Empire,

01:16:06.420 you would realize very, very soon that we have nothing in common.

01:16:11.700 And this is where the problem begins.

01:16:15.700 It's difficult as a historian

01:16:17.460 because the historian really has to isolate himself

01:16:20.280 from the Faustian culture to be able to function as a historian at all.

01:16:23.340 The ultimate mark of an amateur,

01:16:27.020 and I said this before, I'm going to say it many more times,

01:16:30.000 of an amateur, someone who shouldn't be talking about a topic,

01:16:33.280 is when they import much later moral ideas onto the ancient world.

01:16:41.920 The minute they start doing that,

01:16:43.600 the minute they prove that they don't realize

01:16:45.780 that modern concepts didn't exist in the ancient world

01:16:50.060 and therefore there is no ability to compare,

01:16:53.940 you realize that they need to shut up.

01:16:55.880 That's the mark, the first, most blatant mark of the amateur,

01:17:00.600 someone who's trying a little bit too hard.

01:17:04.620 We have nothing in common with these people.

01:17:06.480 So in discussing politics, law, economics,

01:17:09.160 we have to immerse ourselves,

01:17:11.300 as I did in grad school,

01:17:13.500 to the point where people were worried about me

01:17:16.280 when I first converted.

01:17:19.500 I converted by drowning in the texts

01:17:22.160 of the first 300 years of the church.

01:17:24.600 I read pagans, I read Jews, 1.00

01:17:26.500 and I read Christians,

01:17:28.700 to the point where I lost 40 pounds

01:17:31.320 over that year and a half period.

01:17:34.080 And I finished up saying the Greeks are right, 1.00

01:17:37.620 meaning the Easterners are right. 0.97

01:17:39.140 I would say that Westerners and Easterners

01:17:44.160 had mountains in common at the time.

01:17:49.380 The Latin, remember,

01:17:50.620 was not really the language of metaphysics

01:17:52.340 because Latin had a very limited vocabulary.

01:17:55.500 That changed in the Middle Ages.

01:17:57.700 Had a very limited vocabulary

01:17:58.760 and really struggled to keep up with,

01:18:03.020 you know, I mean, Augustine was a great man,

01:18:04.520 a great saint, a great metaphysician,

01:18:06.980 hampered by the fact that he spoke Latin.

01:18:09.140 And wrote in Latin.

01:18:11.500 His teacher, Ambrose, did not.

01:18:14.320 So that's your big problem.

01:18:16.980 It's really hard to interpret this stuff.

01:18:18.580 But they have far more in common with each other

01:18:20.380 than they do in terms of difference.

01:18:23.760 And I went to my first Western Rite liturgy.

01:18:26.220 Now, I say Western Rites,

01:18:27.300 and more people get all upset.

01:18:30.720 The Western Rite, when done properly,

01:18:32.780 according to the rubrics

01:18:34.040 and the missal of things that, you know,

01:18:38.800 that were published prior to the schism,

01:18:42.140 you would be shocked about how Byzantine it really is.

01:18:45.460 Gregory the Great, Gregory the First,

01:18:47.160 spent most of his time in Byzantium.

01:18:48.880 He wrote, among other things,

01:18:52.220 or he standardized the liturgy of the pre-sanctified,

01:18:55.300 which is an Eastern liturgy.

01:18:58.360 The Southern France, you know, Aquitaine especially,

01:19:02.200 Aquitaine, I've always said,

01:19:03.300 is the essential jewel of the West in the Middle Ages,

01:19:08.060 by far the wealthiest part,

01:19:11.200 especially in the early Middle Ages.

01:19:13.740 Greek was dominant.

01:19:14.460 Greek was taught very well in Christian Ireland

01:19:18.640 in the insular period.

01:19:21.640 Theodore of Tarsus,

01:19:23.200 one of the most significant

01:19:25.100 archipistesses of Canterbury

01:19:27.400 in Great Britain.

01:19:31.320 When you go to a Western Rite liturgy

01:19:32.980 done according to the ancient rubrics,

01:19:36.240 like my former spiritual father,

01:19:39.580 Metropolitan John Labud, does,

01:19:41.700 you would be absolutely shocked.

01:19:42.840 Now, the Antiochians do the Western Rite

01:19:45.240 and it's just an Anglican service

01:19:48.180 done according to Cranmer's prayer book.

01:19:52.420 It has nothing to do with orthodoxy at all.

01:19:54.740 I didn't even want to go to the Western Rite service,

01:19:56.860 but when I saw it done properly for the first time,

01:19:59.160 I was blown away.

01:20:00.840 The West and the East 0.95

01:20:01.720 and the ancient Christianity

01:20:03.900 had far more in common than,

01:20:06.160 and I think that the idea that these were two

01:20:08.040 completely different civilizations

01:20:09.800 is falling apart.

01:20:10.560 And in border areas

01:20:12.620 like southern Italy,

01:20:15.540 the Balkans,

01:20:17.620 central France,

01:20:20.240 even Ireland, I'm willing to say,

01:20:22.340 even these border areas,

01:20:23.940 East Germany,

01:20:25.540 you see the Western Rite

01:20:27.080 consistently done

01:20:27.960 using many, many Byzantine forms.

01:20:31.780 So, you know,

01:20:34.880 this was,

01:20:35.680 I mean,

01:20:35.840 as far as Christianity was concerned,

01:20:37.500 this was a unified entity.

01:20:40.040 It took on,

01:20:41.080 as is natural,

01:20:42.040 differences according to time and place.

01:20:44.560 That's not a problem.

01:20:46.520 But,

01:20:46.780 orthodox people are shocked

01:20:48.680 when they see

01:20:49.440 the Western liturgy being done properly

01:20:51.900 for the first time.

01:20:52.980 It is a very good thing.

01:20:53.640 The ancient Western

01:20:54.940 liturgy

01:20:55.780 liturgy

01:20:56.300 had the Epiclesis,

01:20:59.020 had

01:20:59.280 and Titorong,

01:21:01.680 had Proscomede,

01:21:03.120 had the

01:21:04.100 litanies,

01:21:04.860 you know,

01:21:05.000 the Lord have mercy

01:21:05.600 parts of the liturgy,

01:21:07.740 had all of this

01:21:08.820 as part of its,

01:21:10.020 as part of its

01:21:10.720 earliest formulation.

01:21:12.260 As I already said,

01:21:13.260 the early popes

01:21:13.740 were all Greek.

01:21:16.220 I forget

01:21:17.000 who the first Latin pope was,

01:21:18.480 but it took a while

01:21:19.160 to get there.

01:21:20.780 You understand the point

01:21:21.660 I'm trying to make here.

01:21:23.240 You know,

01:21:23.640 we've been talking about civilizations,

01:21:24.700 but when it comes to orthodoxy,

01:21:26.980 we need to be very,

01:21:27.620 very careful here.

01:21:29.620 They were a unified entity.

01:21:31.700 The Western liturgy

01:21:32.380 in the ancient world

01:21:33.260 was the Eastern liturgy

01:21:34.400 just rearranged.

01:21:36.100 That's probably a better way

01:21:36.900 of putting it.

01:21:37.460 Otherwise,

01:21:37.800 it's pretty much the same.

01:21:38.940 They had tones

01:21:39.600 and this was destroyed

01:21:42.100 as Europe

01:21:44.200 entered its Faustian era

01:21:45.940 in the Renaissance.

01:21:49.600 Yeah.

01:21:50.780 And,

01:21:51.300 I mean,

01:21:51.460 this is the reality

01:21:52.760 of the situation.

01:21:53.740 I mean,

01:21:53.820 you can look into

01:21:54.520 even England.

01:21:55.620 This is the

01:21:56.060 one area where

01:21:58.000 Anglicans have a few 0.75

01:21:59.480 correct points,

01:22:00.100 although it's not

01:22:00.700 their truth.

01:22:01.480 It's just that

01:22:02.040 England itself 0.92

01:22:02.840 has its own rich

01:22:03.840 orthodox history.

01:22:05.500 I mean,

01:22:05.620 if you read

01:22:06.100 about what

01:22:07.240 St. Bede

01:22:08.640 talks about,

01:22:09.600 I mean,

01:22:09.900 and the structure

01:22:10.580 of the church

01:22:11.120 and the spirituality,

01:22:13.480 the level of monasticism,

01:22:15.320 the liturgy,

01:22:17.140 I mean,

01:22:17.320 the fact that

01:22:18.020 it's all

01:22:19.360 orthodox.

01:22:20.720 it's not

01:22:21.700 a papal

01:22:23.360 Latin

01:22:23.680 imperial system.

01:22:24.880 That's not

01:22:25.460 what's going on,

01:22:26.260 quite obviously.

01:22:27.600 This is a later

01:22:28.180 innovation.

01:22:28.880 In fact,

01:22:29.340 there's a reason

01:22:30.560 why the Norman

01:22:31.800 Franks had

01:22:32.760 the sanction

01:22:33.240 of the Pope

01:22:33.720 and carried

01:22:34.740 the papal banner

01:22:35.400 when they invaded

01:22:36.200 England.

01:22:37.640 They replaced

01:22:38.200 all of the

01:22:38.940 clergy.

01:22:40.260 They swapped

01:22:41.660 the ecclesiastical

01:22:42.680 hierarchy.

01:22:43.040 Well,

01:22:44.840 there's always

01:22:45.180 this battle

01:22:45.660 between the

01:22:46.520 Gales,

01:22:47.200 the Celts,

01:22:48.400 and Rome.

01:22:50.060 You know,

01:22:50.420 the ancient

01:22:50.960 Irish saints,

01:22:51.760 of course,

01:22:52.200 they're going to,

01:22:52.840 I mean,

01:22:53.020 you mentioned

01:22:53.440 the fact that

01:22:54.100 the military apparatus

01:22:55.740 fell apart

01:22:56.220 in the West.

01:22:57.700 That's what

01:22:58.280 differentiates

01:22:59.040 the West

01:22:59.780 in general

01:23:00.280 from the East,

01:23:01.740 that Western

01:23:02.880 Rome fell to pieces

01:23:03.780 very quickly.

01:23:05.960 You mentioned

01:23:06.620 the barbarians,

01:23:07.460 and we say that

01:23:08.320 in a non-threatening

01:23:10.560 way.

01:23:11.180 It's not,

01:23:11.720 the barbarians 0.62

01:23:13.320 meaning that the

01:23:13.900 Romans didn't 0.99

01:23:14.340 understand their

01:23:14.940 speech.

01:23:16.980 There's also a

01:23:17.540 theory that it

01:23:18.000 referred to the

01:23:18.400 fact they had a

01:23:18.940 beard,

01:23:19.760 and Romans were

01:23:20.300 usually clean-shaven

01:23:21.100 in the West,

01:23:22.420 who were illiterate. 0.68

01:23:25.880 Rome was their

01:23:26.700 watchword,

01:23:27.800 and they would

01:23:28.580 dress up in

01:23:29.100 Roman costume,

01:23:29.840 they'd pretend to

01:23:30.340 speak Latin.

01:23:31.500 It must have 0.94

01:23:31.820 sounded ridiculous, 0.94

01:23:33.520 kind of like the 0.90

01:23:34.060 Uyghur in 0.97

01:23:34.440 American society,

01:23:35.520 you know,

01:23:35.680 trying to be 0.98

01:23:36.000 black. 0.96

01:23:36.980 But it just goes 0.97

01:23:37.820 to show the

01:23:38.360 tremendous respect

01:23:39.180 they had.

01:23:40.660 The

01:23:40.860 so-called

01:23:42.160 pagans that

01:23:42.680 we deal

01:23:43.040 with,

01:23:44.700 racialist

01:23:45.320 pagans,

01:23:46.640 I,

01:23:47.220 you know,

01:23:48.500 I really

01:23:48.720 pity them,

01:23:49.400 because everything

01:23:51.040 that they

01:23:51.400 believe about

01:23:52.220 the paganism

01:23:53.720 of the

01:23:54.480 ancient world

01:23:56.180 in Northern

01:23:56.500 Europe is

01:23:57.180 invented by

01:23:57.800 them.

01:23:59.080 These weren't

01:23:59.660 literate society.

01:24:01.240 There is

01:24:01.860 nothing written

01:24:02.440 down about

01:24:03.500 what they

01:24:03.760 believed and

01:24:04.120 what they

01:24:04.380 did.

01:24:06.160 And so

01:24:06.920 everything is

01:24:07.400 concocted.

01:24:07.900 so they're

01:24:09.280 in no

01:24:09.540 position to

01:24:10.200 criticize

01:24:10.660 anybody or

01:24:11.320 anything.

01:24:14.380 However,

01:24:14.980 we really

01:24:15.380 can't blame

01:24:16.100 them.

01:24:17.280 Had I not

01:24:17.800 come to

01:24:18.120 orthodoxy,

01:24:18.820 I don't

01:24:19.020 know what

01:24:19.280 I would

01:24:19.520 be.

01:24:21.560 You know,

01:24:22.560 the militant,

01:24:23.700 militarist,

01:24:24.360 nationalist

01:24:24.700 orthodox,

01:24:25.840 you know,

01:24:25.980 this is,

01:24:26.560 you know,

01:24:26.760 this is what

01:24:27.260 brought me

01:24:28.180 to the

01:24:28.400 church.

01:24:30.500 Many of

01:24:31.040 these people,

01:24:31.660 like Nietzsche,

01:24:33.000 like

01:24:33.260 Kierkegaard,

01:24:34.500 they're

01:24:35.140 reacting to

01:24:36.120 the bourgeois,

01:24:38.020 middle-class,

01:24:40.900 doctrine-less,

01:24:41.840 sacrifice-less,

01:24:43.540 social club

01:24:44.280 Christianity of

01:24:45.160 the homeowners

01:24:46.860 association.

01:24:48.520 This is what

01:24:49.220 they're reacting

01:24:49.700 against.

01:24:50.140 This is the 0.97

01:24:50.720 useless, 0.94

01:24:51.940 you know, 0.99

01:24:52.100 their whole

01:24:52.320 ethical system

01:24:52.900 is based on

01:24:53.400 whatever is

01:24:53.700 dominant at

01:24:54.160 the time.

01:24:55.880 And you

01:24:56.680 can't blame

01:24:57.220 them.

01:24:58.020 But their

01:24:59.100 obvious error

01:25:00.040 is that you

01:25:00.640 can't,

01:25:02.200 you know,

01:25:02.500 this isn't

01:25:02.880 Christianity,

01:25:03.420 this doesn't

01:25:03.720 even come

01:25:04.040 close to

01:25:05.540 Christianity.

01:25:06.920 You talked

01:25:07.560 about the

01:25:07.860 integration

01:25:08.340 of the

01:25:08.840 church in

01:25:09.160 different

01:25:09.340 places.

01:25:11.460 Well,

01:25:11.900 there is one

01:25:12.380 civilization that

01:25:13.040 the church

01:25:13.300 cannot function

01:25:14.120 and that is

01:25:14.860 in Faustian

01:25:15.420 society.

01:25:16.740 They are

01:25:17.260 complete

01:25:17.500 opposite.

01:25:19.340 Either the

01:25:20.220 church has to

01:25:20.840 isolate itself,

01:25:21.560 as we do,

01:25:22.540 or the

01:25:23.520 church becomes

01:25:24.900 part of the

01:25:26.860 Faustian world,

01:25:27.520 which is what

01:25:28.000 these people are

01:25:28.500 reacting against.

01:25:29.840 And it's 1.00

01:25:30.120 pathetic and 0.99

01:25:31.020 you can't 1.00

01:25:31.280 blame them for

01:25:31.680 being angry.

01:25:33.000 So,

01:25:33.540 going back to

01:25:34.120 Spengler for a

01:25:34.560 minute,

01:25:34.660 the ancient

01:25:36.300 doctrines and

01:25:36.980 the ancient

01:25:37.260 canons,

01:25:38.340 the ancient

01:25:38.620 way of

01:25:38.900 life is

01:25:40.420 completely

01:25:40.940 opposite in

01:25:42.340 every respect

01:25:43.260 with the

01:25:44.100 late Faustian

01:25:44.680 world that

01:25:45.380 we're forced

01:25:46.020 to live in.

01:25:47.100 So,

01:25:47.480 either we

01:25:47.740 give up on

01:25:48.140 it or we

01:25:49.340 completely

01:25:49.960 isolate

01:25:50.260 ourselves.

01:25:50.700 We simply

01:25:51.060 have no

01:25:51.420 choice.

01:25:52.180 That's what

01:25:52.460 these guys

01:25:52.860 are reacting

01:25:53.320 against,

01:25:53.960 in my

01:25:54.240 opinion.

01:25:54.480 I would

01:25:55.960 agree with

01:25:56.280 you.

01:25:56.480 I've said

01:25:56.760 this before.

01:25:57.500 I think

01:25:57.840 that a lot

01:25:58.260 of Nietzsche's

01:25:58.920 critiques are

01:25:59.620 absolutely

01:26:00.120 correct of

01:26:01.000 the bourgeois

01:26:01.780 Christianity

01:26:02.320 he's attacking.

01:26:03.720 In many ways,

01:26:04.320 he's very

01:26:04.540 prophetic because

01:26:05.200 he understands 0.86

01:26:05.920 that system

01:26:06.940 of morality

01:26:08.180 quite correctly.

01:26:09.340 But it's

01:26:09.720 a gross, 0.95

01:26:10.940 disgusting 0.89

01:26:11.620 error to

01:26:12.900 then project

01:26:13.880 those critiques

01:26:14.660 back on the

01:26:15.260 entire 1800

01:26:16.720 years of the

01:26:17.520 Christian religion

01:26:18.200 that preceded it.

01:26:21.400 And I guess

01:26:21.680 the great

01:26:22.140 difficulty in

01:26:23.700 talking with

01:26:24.160 some of

01:26:24.380 these people

01:26:24.780 or trying

01:26:25.340 to present

01:26:25.740 this argument

01:26:26.180 in general

01:26:26.700 is that

01:26:27.540 there's always

01:26:29.000 some sort

01:26:29.460 of other

01:26:29.980 kind of

01:26:30.980 maliciousness

01:26:31.720 behind why

01:26:32.400 they're,

01:26:33.220 or not even

01:26:33.660 necessarily

01:26:33.960 maliciousness,

01:26:34.680 but there's

01:26:35.160 a sub-motivation

01:26:35.980 behind why

01:26:36.440 they're making

01:26:36.760 these arguments.

01:26:37.660 Because you

01:26:38.060 can't have

01:26:39.080 any basic

01:26:39.620 historical literacy.

01:26:40.860 You can't

01:26:41.200 look at

01:26:41.740 the medieval

01:26:42.600 Christian West

01:26:43.360 or the East

01:26:44.040 or the late

01:26:45.740 classical,

01:26:47.120 the late

01:26:47.440 antique civilization

01:26:48.940 in the East,

01:26:49.660 the Eastern

01:26:50.180 Roman Empire

01:26:50.780 with its

01:26:52.540 total

01:26:55.120 symphony

01:26:56.660 of powers

01:26:57.320 between

01:26:58.240 the total

01:26:59.100 integration

01:26:59.540 of the

01:26:59.800 secular power

01:27:00.460 into the

01:27:01.260 life of the

01:27:01.720 church

01:27:02.000 and the

01:27:02.280 divinization

01:27:02.800 of it

01:27:03.100 thereby.

01:27:04.000 And then

01:27:04.640 say that

01:27:05.100 what the

01:27:05.400 Christianity

01:27:05.740 is this 1.00

01:27:06.360 slave religion 0.99

01:27:07.560 that's

01:27:07.920 incompatible

01:27:08.560 with classical

01:27:09.840 civilization.

01:27:11.980 It's a joke.

01:27:14.160 This is

01:27:14.620 why I almost

01:27:16.160 feel it's

01:27:16.700 difficult to

01:27:17.160 talk about.

01:27:17.660 Because how

01:27:18.540 are you

01:27:18.760 supposed to

01:27:19.100 substantiate

01:27:19.720 to somebody

01:27:20.180 what is

01:27:21.620 historically

01:27:22.360 true?

01:27:22.940 What is

01:27:23.640 the case?

01:27:24.580 You can

01:27:25.200 deny that

01:27:25.780 it's the

01:27:26.020 case,

01:27:26.400 but you

01:27:27.060 have these

01:27:27.940 militant,

01:27:29.340 imperial,

01:27:30.020 tightly

01:27:30.340 integrated,

01:27:31.800 extremely

01:27:32.340 successful

01:27:32.840 civilizations

01:27:33.500 that are

01:27:34.100 totally

01:27:35.000 Christian from 0.52

01:27:35.480 top to

01:27:35.820 bottom.

01:27:36.360 So what

01:27:36.680 are you

01:27:36.840 supposed to

01:27:37.140 say?

01:27:38.320 Well,

01:27:38.520 I've been

01:27:38.760 dealing with

01:27:39.060 these people

01:27:39.500 for my

01:27:39.820 entire

01:27:40.040 life,

01:27:40.640 unfortunately.

01:27:41.860 They are

01:27:42.200 pretty few

01:27:42.760 in the

01:27:44.100 movement.

01:27:44.420 That's sort

01:27:44.820 of dying

01:27:45.160 out.

01:27:45.400 I think

01:27:45.680 there's a

01:27:46.040 bit of

01:27:46.280 a resurgence

01:27:47.040 now.

01:27:48.360 As I

01:27:48.620 predicted in

01:27:49.040 the early

01:27:49.340 90s,

01:27:50.600 the growth

01:27:51.760 of Russia,

01:27:52.840 Belarus,

01:27:54.000 in the

01:27:54.400 east as

01:27:54.840 this anti-New

01:27:57.180 World Order

01:27:57.540 movement is

01:27:59.660 bringing

01:27:59.900 orthodoxy to

01:28:00.980 the forefront

01:28:01.440 as the

01:28:01.880 religion of

01:28:02.260 rebellion.

01:28:02.920 I was

01:28:03.360 saying this

01:28:03.960 when I

01:28:04.700 first started

01:28:05.060 grad school.

01:28:06.660 This is

01:28:06.980 in 1995

01:28:07.640 when Russia

01:28:09.280 was almost

01:28:09.820 going out

01:28:10.100 of existence.

01:28:13.620 Things are

01:28:14.340 changing in

01:28:15.120 our direction

01:28:15.480 in that

01:28:15.720 respect and

01:28:16.460 orthodoxy

01:28:16.960 is properly

01:28:17.280 being seen

01:28:17.900 as the

01:28:19.160 anti-Faustian

01:28:20.720 idea that

01:28:23.060 among many,

01:28:23.820 many other

01:28:24.080 things that

01:28:24.540 it is,

01:28:25.200 it is

01:28:26.000 absolutely

01:28:26.540 incompatible

01:28:27.440 with the

01:28:28.160 bourgeois

01:28:28.460 idea.

01:28:31.040 Now,

01:28:31.280 I have a

01:28:31.620 few theories.

01:28:33.080 We can't

01:28:33.800 substantiate any

01:28:34.460 of these

01:28:34.720 things as

01:28:37.840 to why

01:28:38.160 these people

01:28:38.600 come into

01:28:38.960 existence.

01:28:40.900 The first

01:28:41.640 one is that

01:28:42.320 there's a

01:28:42.620 sexual

01:28:42.860 motivation,

01:28:43.800 which E.

01:28:44.020 Michael Jones

01:28:44.500 has made

01:28:44.880 many times,

01:28:45.760 that they

01:28:47.200 don't want

01:28:47.440 to give

01:28:47.660 up certain

01:28:48.300 practices,

01:28:50.140 and so

01:28:50.880 they despise

01:28:51.560 the church

01:28:51.940 that would

01:28:52.300 force them

01:28:52.640 to do

01:28:52.880 that.

01:28:54.640 The other

01:28:55.300 one that I

01:28:55.860 think is

01:28:56.080 more commonly

01:28:56.540 held,

01:28:57.980 that they

01:28:58.960 had some

01:28:59.380 bad

01:28:59.580 experience,

01:29:01.060 that someone

01:29:01.460 abused them,

01:29:02.100 someone hurt

01:29:02.500 them,

01:29:02.760 there's a

01:29:03.020 terrible

01:29:03.200 experience in

01:29:03.800 the past

01:29:04.260 that brings

01:29:05.680 them,

01:29:05.980 and I've

01:29:06.300 actually been

01:29:06.800 in debates

01:29:07.500 where the

01:29:07.880 person has

01:29:08.440 eventually

01:29:09.180 admitted that,

01:29:10.460 yes,

01:29:10.540 that's exactly

01:29:10.960 what happened.

01:29:12.840 And that

01:29:13.720 changes everything

01:29:14.340 because that's

01:29:14.980 not their

01:29:15.880 fault.

01:29:16.500 Not necessarily

01:29:17.000 abuse,

01:29:17.700 but some

01:29:18.200 other extremely

01:29:18.940 negative

01:29:19.300 experience that,

01:29:21.120 you know,

01:29:21.700 whether they

01:29:22.060 want to or

01:29:22.500 not,

01:29:22.980 ends up

01:29:23.760 poisoning their

01:29:24.760 whole view

01:29:25.200 of the church.

01:29:26.600 It never has

01:29:27.780 anything to do

01:29:28.300 with historical

01:29:28.900 reality because

01:29:30.020 that is just,

01:29:31.020 it's like having

01:29:31.920 a Roman Catholic

01:29:32.600 orangeman,

01:29:33.980 you know,

01:29:34.340 it's,

01:29:35.340 they can't

01:29:36.240 function together.

01:29:36.900 the most

01:29:39.020 basic literacy

01:29:39.800 is being

01:29:40.500 overthrown,

01:29:41.160 as you would

01:29:41.860 say.

01:29:42.980 Truth is not

01:29:43.580 the issue,

01:29:44.180 and they

01:29:44.460 can't be

01:29:45.000 approached

01:29:45.520 logically.

01:29:47.460 So it's

01:29:47.900 one of those

01:29:48.240 two things,

01:29:48.780 or possibly

01:29:49.140 both.

01:29:50.580 That's just

01:29:50.980 my experience,

01:29:51.560 that's all.

01:29:53.980 Yeah,

01:29:54.360 that is how

01:29:54.700 it is.

01:29:55.460 I mean,

01:29:55.780 it,

01:29:56.540 I guess the

01:29:57.920 big thing is,

01:29:58.520 I don't want to

01:29:59.020 get too deep

01:29:59.440 into this.

01:29:59.860 I mean,

01:30:00.040 we talked

01:30:00.320 about this

01:30:00.680 in depth

01:30:00.960 in other

01:30:01.240 episodes,

01:30:01.980 that,

01:30:02.200 I mean,

01:30:02.320 I don't

01:30:02.580 blame people

01:30:03.100 who see

01:30:03.900 how corrupted

01:30:04.760 and twisted

01:30:05.220 people have

01:30:08.460 gotten today

01:30:08.760 how Christianity

01:30:09.240 is,

01:30:09.640 and then they

01:30:09.860 react against

01:30:10.480 that,

01:30:10.700 that they

01:30:10.860 reject this,

01:30:11.620 that if this

01:30:12.060 is Christianity,

01:30:13.020 this is what

01:30:13.660 Christ taught,

01:30:15.840 then,

01:30:15.960 I mean,

01:30:16.100 of course,

01:30:16.480 it's correct

01:30:16.840 to reject it.

01:30:19.460 But that's not

01:30:20.100 what Christ taught,

01:30:20.660 and this kind of

01:30:21.060 comes back to

01:30:21.480 the central

01:30:21.760 question,

01:30:22.200 I mean,

01:30:22.320 what is the

01:30:22.960 gospel?

01:30:23.840 We've done

01:30:24.440 episodes literally

01:30:25.320 entitled this,

01:30:25.860 where we tell

01:30:26.320 you exactly

01:30:26.780 what the gospel

01:30:27.320 is.

01:30:27.820 That's what

01:30:28.260 we try to

01:30:28.740 explain to

01:30:30.080 people over

01:30:30.500 the last

01:30:31.180 49,

01:30:31.780 50 episodes,

01:30:32.560 is the

01:30:33.060 implications of

01:30:33.720 the gospel

01:30:34.080 in your life.

01:30:34.660 But,

01:30:35.640 I mean,

01:30:35.880 if you go

01:30:36.640 and you read

01:30:37.100 the writings

01:30:37.480 of the early

01:30:37.980 church fathers,

01:30:38.960 there is an

01:30:39.700 extremely cogent

01:30:40.580 and clear

01:30:41.120 and unified

01:30:41.660 message,

01:30:42.560 and there are

01:30:42.860 from the earliest

01:30:43.700 writers we have

01:30:44.620 are guys like

01:30:45.400 Irenaeus,

01:30:46.380 you know,

01:30:46.660 writing these

01:30:47.040 polemical texts

01:30:47.900 against heretics.

01:30:49.960 And so there

01:30:50.340 was such an

01:30:51.280 intense and

01:30:52.360 focused understanding

01:30:53.820 of what the

01:30:54.420 truth of the

01:30:55.040 gospel was,

01:30:56.160 later codified

01:30:57.560 in the dogmas

01:30:58.560 and by the

01:31:00.140 ecumenical councils

01:31:00.860 of the church,

01:31:01.540 this apostolic

01:31:02.140 tradition.

01:31:02.560 And so,

01:31:04.220 you know,

01:31:04.940 this kind of

01:31:05.320 comes back to

01:31:05.740 the philosophical

01:31:06.300 questions.

01:31:07.420 I mean,

01:31:07.580 is there

01:31:07.820 absolute truth?

01:31:08.880 You know,

01:31:09.380 if there is

01:31:10.220 absolute truth

01:31:10.840 and you accept

01:31:11.380 that,

01:31:12.560 you know,

01:31:12.840 let's just say

01:31:13.220 for argument's sake,

01:31:14.000 you accept that

01:31:14.400 there is revelation,

01:31:15.580 that you're saying

01:31:15.940 this is revelation,

01:31:16.760 is this gospel

01:31:17.300 change over time?

01:31:18.700 Have you embraced

01:31:19.600 relativism?

01:31:20.540 Is there a

01:31:20.980 development of

01:31:21.660 doctrine where,

01:31:23.380 you know,

01:31:23.700 Christianity can

01:31:24.400 believe something

01:31:25.060 totally different

01:31:25.640 from when it

01:31:26.100 didn't,

01:31:26.760 that it didn't

01:31:27.360 originally teach?

01:31:28.680 Is that

01:31:29.100 possible?

01:31:30.480 Right?

01:31:30.640 Is the

01:31:31.020 interpretation of

01:31:32.220 different peoples,

01:31:34.420 of the gospel

01:31:35.260 over time,

01:31:35.700 is that capable

01:31:36.220 of producing

01:31:36.720 different truth?

01:31:38.720 You know,

01:31:38.980 I mean,

01:31:39.140 if it is,

01:31:39.660 you know,

01:31:39.860 it's not a

01:31:40.560 serious worldview.

01:31:41.100 It's just nihilism.

01:31:41.840 It's just all

01:31:42.100 relativism to begin

01:31:42.820 with.

01:31:43.100 So you,

01:31:43.780 you know,

01:31:44.040 you're not

01:31:44.620 operating,

01:31:45.420 you know,

01:31:46.160 in a real

01:31:47.280 philosophical

01:31:48.960 manner.

01:31:50.000 I think I don't,

01:31:51.000 you know,

01:31:51.580 and so if there

01:31:52.440 is a real gospel,

01:31:53.660 if there is

01:31:54.360 an absolute truth

01:31:55.680 that is expressed

01:31:56.240 by the apostles,

01:31:56.940 if that's what's

01:31:57.520 actually going

01:31:57.920 on there,

01:31:58.200 if you believe

01:31:58.960 their witness

01:31:59.400 testimony,

01:32:00.040 accept that

01:32:00.520 Jesus Christ

01:32:01.080 was raised

01:32:01.460 from the dead,

01:32:02.020 and his claims

01:32:02.440 are true,

01:32:03.660 and that,

01:32:04.360 you know,

01:32:04.920 that he said

01:32:05.380 that the gates

01:32:05.740 of Hades

01:32:06.060 would not prevail

01:32:06.580 over his church,

01:32:07.220 then you have

01:32:07.740 to,

01:32:08.220 you know,

01:32:09.420 you have to

01:32:09.900 acknowledge that

01:32:10.620 Christ left

01:32:11.100 the church,

01:32:12.020 and we see

01:32:12.460 this immediately

01:32:13.140 after his

01:32:13.980 death and

01:32:14.660 resurrection,

01:32:15.660 from the very

01:32:16.120 earliest writings.

01:32:16.900 I mean,

01:32:17.100 Ignatius of Antioch,

01:32:17.960 100 AD,

01:32:18.860 he was ordained

01:32:19.660 by the apostle

01:32:20.640 John as a bishop,

01:32:23.540 you know,

01:32:23.780 and he's writing

01:32:24.280 about the

01:32:25.000 tripartite structure

01:32:25.860 of the church,

01:32:26.940 this is why

01:32:29.920 Protestants

01:32:31.100 stay as far

01:32:32.020 away as they 1.00

01:32:32.520 possibly could

01:32:33.200 from,

01:32:34.640 as they can

01:32:35.340 from the

01:32:37.240 church fathers.

01:32:38.160 When you're 0.84

01:32:38.840 ignorant of the 0.96

01:32:39.260 church fathers, 1.00

01:32:40.160 you don't know

01:32:40.860 Christianity,

01:32:41.740 period.

01:32:43.180 It's like

01:32:43.860 basing your

01:32:44.420 entire

01:32:45.120 understanding

01:32:47.120 of the

01:32:47.900 colonial era

01:32:48.540 in American

01:32:49.020 life just on

01:32:49.900 reading the

01:32:50.220 Constitution

01:32:50.740 and nothing

01:32:51.180 else.

01:32:54.100 You know,

01:32:54.660 if you want

01:32:54.940 to think of

01:32:55.300 the Bible

01:32:56.300 as the

01:32:56.640 Constitution

01:32:57.120 and the

01:32:57.880 church fathers

01:32:58.380 as the

01:32:58.960 Federalist

01:32:59.300 Papers

01:32:59.620 or the

01:33:00.900 early

01:33:01.360 acts of the

01:33:02.140 Presidents,

01:33:02.740 you know,

01:33:02.900 the early

01:33:03.180 acts of the

01:33:04.220 Supreme Court.

01:33:05.580 You need to

01:33:06.300 know that if

01:33:06.780 you want to

01:33:07.120 know the

01:33:07.540 political world

01:33:08.420 of colonial

01:33:09.280 America.

01:33:09.660 and they

01:33:11.640 are so

01:33:12.220 truncated

01:33:13.600 with the

01:33:15.620 rejection of

01:33:16.160 all forms of

01:33:16.740 culture,

01:33:17.060 because that's

01:33:17.420 work,

01:33:18.780 and rejection

01:33:19.660 of anything

01:33:20.100 that isn't

01:33:21.440 in the

01:33:23.260 Bible,

01:33:24.560 and the

01:33:25.720 Bible is 0.52

01:33:26.060 completely

01:33:26.320 isolated from

01:33:27.000 everything else

01:33:27.600 in existence.

01:33:30.000 They also

01:33:30.700 stay as far

01:33:31.300 away as they 1.00

01:33:31.800 can from the

01:33:32.680 question as to

01:33:33.240 where it all

01:33:33.800 came from.

01:33:34.880 Church

01:33:36.660 fathers,

01:33:37.460 you know,

01:33:37.600 you study

01:33:38.500 philosophy and

01:33:39.260 academia.

01:33:40.460 It's really a

01:33:41.000 shame because

01:33:41.680 you do,

01:33:43.080 in your basic

01:33:43.700 101 freshman

01:33:45.440 survey class

01:33:46.400 goes Plato,

01:33:48.540 Aristotle,

01:33:49.180 Augustine,

01:33:50.280 and then from

01:33:51.240 Augustine,

01:33:51.840 you're Descartes.

01:33:53.620 Sometimes Aquinas

01:33:54.520 is in there.

01:33:56.040 That is it.

01:33:56.940 They completely

01:33:57.560 skip over the

01:33:58.820 patristic era.

01:34:00.700 The truth we

01:34:01.580 have to

01:34:01.800 understand is

01:34:02.480 that the

01:34:04.160 Cappadocian

01:34:04.660 fathers,

01:34:05.560 certainly

01:34:05.920 Justin Martyr,

01:34:07.100 the majority

01:34:08.040 of these men

01:34:08.820 were masters

01:34:11.040 of the Greek

01:34:11.440 language and

01:34:12.740 deep

01:34:13.600 metaphysicians.

01:34:16.040 They were

01:34:16.740 philosophers in

01:34:17.240 their own

01:34:17.480 right.

01:34:18.540 They gave

01:34:18.960 original

01:34:19.320 contributions to

01:34:20.240 metaphysics and

01:34:20.900 epistemology.

01:34:22.880 And I think

01:34:23.220 it's an

01:34:23.560 anti-Christian

01:34:23.940 bias as to

01:34:25.200 why these

01:34:25.560 men are not 0.65

01:34:25.940 included in

01:34:26.560 your typical

01:34:26.940 philosophical

01:34:27.420 curriculum.

01:34:27.880 No one

01:34:29.900 reads St.

01:34:30.760 Basil in

01:34:32.600 philosophy,

01:34:33.500 which doesn't

01:34:34.040 make sense.

01:34:35.460 These were

01:34:35.840 absolute masters

01:34:37.400 of metaphysics.

01:34:39.260 You ignore

01:34:39.980 them to your

01:34:40.860 peril.

01:34:43.000 But yet,

01:34:43.720 these are the

01:34:44.080 men who

01:34:44.600 decided what

01:34:45.280 is in and

01:34:45.780 what is out.

01:34:47.380 And you

01:34:47.580 mentioned

01:34:48.000 Ignatius,

01:34:49.620 I could have

01:34:49.920 mentioned

01:34:50.180 Polycarp,

01:34:51.320 even Irenaeus,

01:34:53.360 with a tight

01:34:53.980 connection to

01:34:54.540 the apostles,

01:34:55.960 writing as to

01:34:56.640 what a heretic

01:34:57.100 is. 0.78

01:34:57.880 What a

01:34:58.080 heretic is 0.99

01:34:58.460 not.

01:34:59.220 And when

01:34:59.440 you ignore

01:34:59.900 these people,

01:35:00.980 how can you

01:35:01.420 possibly know

01:35:02.040 anything?

01:35:03.420 Again,

01:35:03.840 think of a

01:35:04.160 man that

01:35:04.540 just reads

01:35:05.560 the Constitution

01:35:06.160 as his

01:35:06.620 only source

01:35:07.440 for understanding

01:35:08.560 colonial

01:35:08.920 America.

01:35:10.340 And when

01:35:10.540 you're cut

01:35:10.840 off from

01:35:11.120 the fathers,

01:35:12.500 Christianity

01:35:13.120 is a 0.99

01:35:13.840 bizarre,

01:35:15.040 random

01:35:15.320 thing.

01:35:16.820 Now,

01:35:16.980 as far as

01:35:17.580 absolute truth

01:35:18.780 is concerned,

01:35:20.180 now we can't

01:35:20.620 get into that 0.97

01:35:21.160 kind of a silly 0.95

01:35:21.660 discussion that

01:35:22.260 also comes up

01:35:23.380 in freshman

01:35:23.760 101 courses.

01:35:24.800 one of

01:35:27.000 St.

01:35:27.180 Augustine's

01:35:27.820 arguments for

01:35:28.720 God is

01:35:30.260 that if

01:35:31.460 the truth of

01:35:31.900 mathematics

01:35:32.340 exists,

01:35:33.240 then God

01:35:33.640 must exist.

01:35:35.520 Because the

01:35:36.900 existence of

01:35:37.440 absolute truth

01:35:38.180 in whatever

01:35:39.580 form is

01:35:41.160 completely

01:35:41.460 incompatible

01:35:42.400 with just a

01:35:43.300 randomly generated

01:35:44.140 universe.

01:35:45.260 It can't

01:35:46.000 exist.

01:35:46.320 the very

01:35:48.160 existence of

01:35:48.640 natural law.

01:35:50.200 You think

01:35:50.680 of that

01:35:51.800 natural law

01:35:52.500 doesn't

01:35:53.680 develop.

01:35:54.440 It doesn't

01:35:54.720 change.

01:35:56.020 It's been

01:35:56.380 the same

01:35:56.840 no matter

01:35:57.320 who's writing

01:35:57.760 about it,

01:35:58.160 no matter

01:35:58.300 what era

01:35:58.760 and what

01:35:59.060 civilization.

01:36:00.620 That means

01:36:01.300 the law

01:36:01.780 came into

01:36:03.140 existence

01:36:03.500 the same

01:36:03.900 time as

01:36:04.280 creation.

01:36:06.820 You could

01:36:07.320 even say

01:36:07.600 this about

01:36:07.980 evolution.

01:36:09.500 Evolutionary

01:36:09.940 law

01:36:11.080 itself

01:36:13.300 doesn't

01:36:13.600 evolve.

01:36:14.980 So it

01:36:15.280 had to

01:36:15.520 have been

01:36:16.320 completely

01:36:17.660 codeterminates

01:36:18.340 with the

01:36:18.720 development

01:36:19.560 of matter.

01:36:21.900 And I

01:36:22.500 think it

01:36:22.720 throws them

01:36:23.100 to a

01:36:23.480 great extent.

01:36:24.840 If

01:36:25.020 absolute

01:36:25.280 truth

01:36:25.540 exists,

01:36:26.080 then God

01:36:26.340 exists.

01:36:27.720 Because there

01:36:28.440 is no way

01:36:29.100 that you

01:36:29.300 could account

01:36:29.680 for absolute

01:36:30.100 truth in

01:36:30.540 terms of

01:36:30.900 a randomly

01:36:31.680 generated

01:36:32.160 universe.

01:36:33.880 Aristotle did

01:36:34.460 believe that

01:36:34.960 matter is

01:36:35.400 eternal.

01:36:36.800 Although,

01:36:37.300 again,

01:36:38.100 Aristotle's

01:36:38.540 writings

01:36:38.800 really haven't

01:36:39.500 been recovered.

01:36:41.220 You just

01:36:41.600 have lecture

01:36:42.620 notes and

01:36:43.000 things.

01:36:44.180 But I

01:36:44.480 think that

01:36:44.760 was a

01:36:45.020 common

01:36:45.300 classical

01:36:45.920 understanding

01:36:46.460 really

01:36:47.300 more to

01:36:47.540 avoid the

01:36:47.980 topic than

01:36:48.540 anything

01:36:49.040 else.

01:36:50.520 But for

01:36:51.660 us,

01:36:52.000 the fathers

01:36:52.920 not only

01:36:55.020 are great

01:36:55.860 theologians,

01:36:56.480 but are

01:36:56.680 great

01:36:56.860 philosophers.

01:36:58.340 Most of

01:36:58.880 them were

01:36:59.300 deeply

01:36:59.680 platonic.

01:37:01.600 Keep in

01:37:01.980 mind,

01:37:02.260 I've said

01:37:02.680 this before,

01:37:03.300 and this is

01:37:03.560 kind of an

01:37:03.860 aside,

01:37:05.780 the topic

01:37:06.220 is so

01:37:06.560 big,

01:37:06.980 you're all

01:37:07.280 over the

01:37:07.560 place on

01:37:07.960 this.

01:37:08.860 When the

01:37:09.460 church

01:37:09.720 condemns

01:37:10.580 platonism

01:37:11.580 in the

01:37:13.580 Sunday

01:37:13.760 of

01:37:13.900 orthodoxy,

01:37:14.880 they're

01:37:15.540 not

01:37:15.720 condemning

01:37:16.140 Plato or

01:37:16.760 Platonism.

01:37:18.500 Actually,

01:37:18.980 the original

01:37:19.400 is

01:37:19.880 neoplatonism.

01:37:20.900 They're

01:37:21.120 referring to

01:37:21.700 alchemy,

01:37:22.540 magic,

01:37:23.440 that kind

01:37:23.840 of thing,

01:37:24.220 which

01:37:24.420 unfortunately

01:37:25.200 went by the

01:37:25.900 term of

01:37:26.120 neoplatonism

01:37:26.680 at the

01:37:26.880 time.

01:37:28.060 As an

01:37:28.360 aside,

01:37:28.720 I just

01:37:28.860 want to

01:37:29.020 throw that

01:37:29.340 in there.

01:37:30.220 The

01:37:30.340 church

01:37:30.580 can't

01:37:31.020 help but 0.92

01:37:31.320 be

01:37:31.780 platonic,

01:37:32.880 and in

01:37:33.060 my

01:37:33.220 opinion,

01:37:33.700 and in

01:37:33.900 Justin

01:37:34.100 Martyr's

01:37:34.500 position,

01:37:35.200 opinion,

01:37:36.620 Plato,

01:37:37.400 so to

01:37:37.820 speak,

01:37:38.380 is a

01:37:38.620 prophet.

01:37:39.740 I

01:37:39.940 wouldn't be

01:37:40.200 a Christian

01:37:40.460 if it

01:37:40.680 wasn't for

01:37:41.000 Plato.

01:37:41.820 St.

01:37:42.060 Justin

01:37:42.260 Martyr

01:37:42.500 wouldn't be

01:37:42.820 a Christian

01:37:43.080 if it

01:37:43.240 wasn't for

01:37:43.500 Plato.

01:37:43.780 A lot

01:37:44.000 of these

01:37:44.220 guys in

01:37:45.320 the very

01:37:45.560 early church

01:37:46.040 wouldn't

01:37:46.280 have been.

01:37:47.000 He's

01:37:47.320 your

01:37:47.480 doorway

01:37:50.000 into the

01:37:50.760 truths of

01:37:51.140 Christianity.

01:37:52.220 He's far

01:37:52.560 from perfect,

01:37:53.040 of course.

01:37:54.860 But I

01:37:55.940 came to

01:37:56.460 embrace Christ

01:37:57.180 only after

01:37:57.780 reading,

01:37:58.200 and I

01:37:58.380 think because

01:37:58.880 of reading

01:37:59.240 Plato.

01:38:00.720 He's no

01:38:01.100 one to be

01:38:01.420 scared of,

01:38:02.220 and you

01:38:02.660 have a lot

01:38:02.960 of subliterate

01:38:04.300 clerics and

01:38:05.460 things like

01:38:05.820 that,

01:38:06.060 condemning

01:38:06.420 him,

01:38:07.900 believing

01:38:08.380 that they're

01:38:09.420 really talking

01:38:09.820 about the

01:38:10.080 Neoplatonists.

01:38:10.760 That's

01:38:11.000 something that

01:38:11.520 has to be

01:38:11.800 thrown out

01:38:12.180 there.

01:38:13.160 Plato is

01:38:14.180 in a very,

01:38:15.660 very,

01:38:15.820 very general

01:38:16.500 sense the

01:38:17.120 foundation of

01:38:17.740 what we do

01:38:18.620 as Christian

01:38:20.060 philosophers.

01:38:21.900 Indeed.

01:38:22.300 Excellent

01:38:22.520 point.

01:38:23.380 Okay,

01:38:23.640 so just as

01:38:24.420 we come to

01:38:24.740 the end of

01:38:25.040 our main

01:38:25.280 topic,

01:38:25.760 I wanted

01:38:26.080 to discuss

01:38:26.720 one of the

01:38:27.120 other big

01:38:27.500 reasons why

01:38:28.020 I think

01:38:28.280 that we

01:38:28.540 have this

01:38:29.160 kind of

01:38:32.420 attitude,

01:38:33.560 and I

01:38:33.740 think that

01:38:33.980 it has

01:38:34.220 to do

01:38:34.500 with just

01:38:35.260 the nature

01:38:35.700 of the

01:38:36.240 North

01:38:36.380 American

01:38:36.760 ecclesiastical

01:38:37.560 structure.

01:38:38.820 It's because

01:38:39.160 if you

01:38:41.700 accept the

01:38:42.160 orthodox

01:38:42.560 theory that

01:38:43.320 the West

01:38:43.980 was orthodox

01:38:44.480 for a

01:38:44.700 thousand years

01:38:45.200 and gradually

01:38:45.760 fell away

01:38:46.180 from the

01:38:46.440 truth as

01:38:47.080 errors in

01:38:48.180 theology and

01:38:49.480 by extension

01:38:50.460 prayer,

01:38:50.980 liturgical

01:38:51.300 practice,

01:38:52.020 lifestyle

01:38:52.340 were introduced,

01:38:53.640 then if we

01:38:54.780 look at the

01:38:55.360 history of

01:38:55.640 North America,

01:38:56.360 it's essentially

01:38:56.880 orthodoxy is

01:38:59.340 unknown to it

01:39:00.260 unless you're

01:39:00.920 talking about

01:39:01.500 Eric the

01:39:02.100 Red.

01:39:03.280 And so

01:39:03.560 this

01:39:03.920 continent

01:39:04.400 was not

01:39:04.980 evangelized

01:39:07.260 like the

01:39:08.080 Slavs.

01:39:08.740 There wasn't

01:39:11.120 a central

01:39:11.620 organic

01:39:13.120 attempt to

01:39:13.920 convert the

01:39:15.140 English-speaking

01:39:15.760 peoples of

01:39:16.260 North America

01:39:16.740 because this

01:39:17.360 phenomenon,

01:39:17.980 this reality

01:39:18.440 didn't exist

01:39:19.220 until the

01:39:19.560 last 200

01:39:20.680 years.

01:39:22.320 And then

01:39:22.640 by the time

01:39:23.400 the country

01:39:24.180 had built

01:39:24.720 itself up,

01:39:25.360 the empire

01:39:26.220 had built

01:39:26.860 itself up

01:39:27.400 as this

01:39:27.940 linguistic

01:39:28.940 edifice,

01:39:29.820 the importation

01:39:30.940 of the

01:39:31.140 religion

01:39:31.400 came as

01:39:31.980 basically

01:39:33.120 imported by

01:39:35.740 immigrants

01:39:36.600 colonially.

01:39:38.980 You had

01:39:39.380 these little

01:39:39.780 cultures and

01:39:40.540 centers of

01:39:41.300 ethnic life

01:39:42.420 which brought

01:39:42.780 with them

01:39:43.220 orthodoxy

01:39:44.060 and their

01:39:44.240 folkways.

01:39:45.140 So Father,

01:39:45.520 I'm sure

01:39:45.780 this is a

01:39:46.240 subject that

01:39:46.620 you have

01:39:46.900 a much

01:39:47.800 greater

01:39:48.000 depth

01:39:48.360 than I

01:39:49.360 do,

01:39:49.800 but this

01:39:50.180 is my

01:39:50.440 general

01:39:50.820 observation,

01:39:52.060 is that a

01:39:52.360 lot of

01:39:52.580 the times

01:39:52.940 people get

01:39:53.560 disgruntled

01:39:54.160 because they're

01:39:55.140 Anglos and

01:39:55.900 they don't

01:39:56.360 want to hang

01:39:56.980 out with

01:39:57.400 Lebanese

01:39:57.820 people

01:39:58.160 when they

01:39:59.460 go to

01:39:59.620 church.

01:40:01.220 And I

01:40:01.480 understand

01:40:01.840 the desire

01:40:02.360 for your

01:40:05.300 own distinct

01:40:06.900 ethnic

01:40:07.320 Western

01:40:07.860 Orthodoxy,

01:40:08.340 of course,

01:40:08.620 it's something

01:40:08.820 I advocate,

01:40:09.860 but maybe

01:40:10.340 this is

01:40:10.680 something that

01:40:11.120 you can

01:40:11.580 touch on.

01:40:13.780 I came

01:40:14.580 into

01:40:14.760 Orthodoxy

01:40:15.520 with the

01:40:16.360 Ukrainians

01:40:16.900 in grad

01:40:18.700 school in

01:40:19.360 the Midwest.

01:40:22.640 Their

01:40:23.120 children,

01:40:24.560 they're all

01:40:25.040 passed on

01:40:25.500 now,

01:40:25.760 unfortunately,

01:40:26.340 they're World

01:40:26.780 War II-era

01:40:27.360 Ukrainians

01:40:27.960 from

01:40:28.320 southern

01:40:29.240 Poland.

01:40:31.160 And their

01:40:32.560 children,

01:40:33.140 as they

01:40:33.520 grew up

01:40:33.840 in America,

01:40:35.620 were 0.50

01:40:36.360 brainwashed,

01:40:37.260 to say the

01:40:37.520 very least,

01:40:38.140 and turned

01:40:38.540 on their

01:40:38.800 parents as

01:40:39.780 old-world

01:40:40.460 country

01:40:40.860 bumpkins

01:40:41.320 who don't

01:40:42.280 know anything.

01:40:44.260 They burned

01:40:44.920 their

01:40:45.080 30-year

01:40:46.760 mortgage in

01:40:47.240 15 years.

01:40:48.960 I guess

01:40:49.140 that wasn't

01:40:49.460 enough to

01:40:49.800 impress them,

01:40:50.320 but that's

01:40:50.560 not uncommon

01:40:51.180 with those

01:40:51.660 groups of

01:40:51.980 immigrants.

01:40:53.900 They came

01:40:54.560 with absolutely

01:40:55.060 nothing.

01:40:56.780 didn't

01:40:57.260 speak

01:40:57.460 English.

01:40:58.740 And they're

01:40:58.940 all,

01:40:59.660 you know,

01:40:59.900 when they

01:41:00.260 were around,

01:41:00.960 did very,

01:41:01.480 very well.

01:41:04.620 So you

01:41:05.300 reject their

01:41:06.160 lifestyle at

01:41:07.040 your peril,

01:41:07.580 but all their

01:41:07.960 children did.

01:41:09.300 When they

01:41:09.620 met me,

01:41:10.940 this Irish

01:41:11.440 kid comes

01:41:11.780 from out of

01:41:12.120 nowhere and

01:41:12.780 wants to be

01:41:13.120 a part of

01:41:13.440 them.

01:41:13.900 They loved

01:41:14.580 it.

01:41:14.880 They couldn't

01:41:15.180 believe it,

01:41:15.520 finally.

01:41:16.840 And they

01:41:17.860 treated me

01:41:18.140 like one of

01:41:18.460 their own.

01:41:20.600 Now,

01:41:20.940 when I would

01:41:21.340 bring people

01:41:22.080 to the

01:41:23.780 services at

01:41:24.300 St.

01:41:24.520 George,

01:41:25.920 they were

01:41:28.180 often very

01:41:28.660 shocked.

01:41:29.920 And the

01:41:30.200 most common

01:41:30.800 reason that

01:41:32.260 they were

01:41:32.660 was that

01:41:33.280 they seemed

01:41:33.660 to worship

01:41:34.060 Ukraine.

01:41:36.040 Now,

01:41:36.520 I found

01:41:36.760 that,

01:41:37.060 you know,

01:41:37.540 insulting and

01:41:38.820 condescending

01:41:40.480 as well as

01:41:41.360 libelous.

01:41:42.520 But I

01:41:43.040 realized where

01:41:43.480 it comes

01:41:43.780 from.

01:41:45.420 When you

01:41:46.000 have no

01:41:46.900 culture of

01:41:47.360 your own,

01:41:48.100 when you

01:41:48.380 live in the

01:41:48.720 late Faustian

01:41:49.420 vacuum,

01:41:49.960 when you

01:41:51.700 live by

01:41:52.380 the

01:41:52.500 passions,

01:41:53.320 and it's

01:41:53.500 really not

01:41:53.800 their fault

01:41:54.260 that they

01:41:54.680 were born

01:41:54.980 and raised

01:41:55.340 in this

01:41:55.580 rotten

01:41:55.820 system,

01:41:56.780 when you

01:41:57.360 have

01:41:57.540 absolutely

01:41:58.080 no

01:41:58.360 racial

01:41:58.680 or

01:41:59.100 ethnic

01:42:00.200 loyalty

01:42:01.000 at

01:42:01.180 all,

01:42:02.480 any

01:42:02.860 kind of

01:42:04.500 ethnic

01:42:04.720 organization

01:42:05.120 is going

01:42:05.680 to be

01:42:06.180 foreign

01:42:06.740 and alien

01:42:07.780 to you.

01:42:09.600 And

01:42:09.840 because they

01:42:10.860 have no

01:42:11.500 connection

01:42:12.180 to any

01:42:13.040 of that

01:42:13.320 in their

01:42:13.540 own

01:42:13.700 life,

01:42:14.240 when they

01:42:14.780 see it

01:42:15.340 for the

01:42:15.540 first time

01:42:15.980 in a

01:42:16.160 very,

01:42:16.420 you know,

01:42:16.620 very strong,

01:42:18.080 well-developed

01:42:18.600 way,

01:42:18.880 that almost

01:42:20.060 frightens them.

01:42:21.960 It's a

01:42:22.600 testament to

01:42:23.040 their own

01:42:23.320 alienation,

01:42:24.700 and it

01:42:25.060 threatens them.

01:42:25.600 Now,

01:42:25.740 oftentimes,

01:42:26.200 some of

01:42:26.400 these people

01:42:26.820 came to

01:42:27.860 love them,

01:42:28.300 just like I

01:42:28.740 did.

01:42:29.440 They came to

01:42:30.000 realize,

01:42:30.340 oh,

01:42:30.460 wait a minute,

01:42:30.880 this is,

01:42:31.580 they're the

01:42:31.920 ones who

01:42:32.180 are healthy,

01:42:32.660 everyone else

01:42:33.180 is the

01:42:34.580 problem.

01:42:35.920 So people

01:42:36.640 either like

01:42:37.120 me loved

01:42:37.800 them and

01:42:38.220 stayed,

01:42:39.140 or,

01:42:40.080 you know,

01:42:40.520 would mock

01:42:40.880 them and

01:42:41.160 leave. 0.99

01:42:41.940 Very few

01:42:42.540 were in

01:42:42.900 between.

01:42:44.280 And to

01:42:44.840 say that they

01:42:45.240 worship the

01:42:45.800 country,

01:42:46.260 because there

01:42:47.020 is some

01:42:47.320 ethnic

01:42:47.560 connection

01:42:48.000 there in

01:42:48.700 how they

01:42:49.380 live,

01:42:51.740 that kind

01:42:52.160 of overreaction

01:42:52.980 shows just

01:42:54.000 how deeply

01:42:54.540 alienated they

01:42:55.220 are.

01:42:55.960 And it's a

01:42:56.220 common reaction.

01:42:57.740 People are like

01:42:58.180 ethnic parishes,

01:42:59.000 like somehow an

01:42:59.460 ethnic parish is a

01:43:00.220 problem.

01:43:02.820 And really it

01:43:03.820 comes from the

01:43:04.220 fact that they

01:43:04.960 are suburbanites

01:43:05.960 or urbanites

01:43:06.660 that have

01:43:07.360 absolutely no

01:43:08.060 culture of

01:43:08.800 their own,

01:43:09.640 except what

01:43:10.000 comes out of

01:43:10.340 the television,

01:43:11.200 and they're

01:43:11.400 frightened of

01:43:12.060 these people,

01:43:12.460 and because

01:43:12.960 they're being

01:43:13.720 confronted with

01:43:14.740 their own

01:43:14.960 alienation,

01:43:15.620 and that's

01:43:15.860 frightening.

01:43:17.920 Yeah,

01:43:18.260 well I think

01:43:18.680 that this is

01:43:19.080 the difficulty,

01:43:19.940 is that there

01:43:20.240 is a desire,

01:43:22.580 is that

01:43:23.020 that encounter

01:43:24.440 produces the

01:43:25.340 desire for

01:43:26.660 something that

01:43:27.220 they might

01:43:27.980 only then just

01:43:28.640 realize is

01:43:29.440 vacant and

01:43:30.000 absent in their

01:43:30.540 lives.

01:43:31.440 And this is

01:43:31.820 the great

01:43:32.260 difficulty,

01:43:32.880 is that how

01:43:33.260 can a

01:43:34.560 culture be

01:43:35.140 evangelized,

01:43:36.000 or an

01:43:36.220 ethnic group

01:43:36.700 be evangelized

01:43:37.400 when it

01:43:37.620 doesn't exist,

01:43:38.260 when it's

01:43:39.180 a lingual

01:43:39.900 economic

01:43:40.480 union,

01:43:41.660 where rather

01:43:42.200 than an

01:43:43.020 integrated

01:43:43.500 ethnic identity

01:43:45.100 like existed

01:43:46.440 with the

01:43:46.900 original

01:43:47.540 collants of

01:43:50.160 this new

01:43:50.540 world.

01:43:52.020 And so

01:43:52.300 this is the

01:43:53.340 great struggle

01:43:54.160 is that

01:43:54.580 to produce

01:43:55.900 a Western

01:43:58.100 orthodoxy

01:43:58.800 that is

01:43:59.200 English

01:44:00.280 distinct to

01:44:02.320 the peoples

01:44:03.280 of the

01:44:03.560 North American

01:44:03.980 continent,

01:44:04.480 you would

01:44:04.660 have to

01:44:04.980 first produce

01:44:05.740 by ethnogenesis

01:44:07.480 a group

01:44:09.080 that had

01:44:09.540 a level

01:44:10.120 of

01:44:10.260 integration

01:44:10.700 that was

01:44:11.080 great enough

01:44:11.500 that you

01:44:11.760 could say

01:44:12.180 that you

01:44:13.220 could call

01:44:13.840 it that.

01:44:16.540 There is no

01:44:17.220 such thing

01:44:17.620 as an

01:44:19.060 American

01:44:19.400 ethnicity.

01:44:20.900 We talked

01:44:21.320 about this

01:44:21.640 in my own

01:44:22.500 show.

01:44:23.560 There is no

01:44:24.520 American

01:44:25.500 ethnic group

01:44:26.460 whatsoever

01:44:26.920 or race.

01:44:28.380 The United

01:44:28.960 States was

01:44:29.460 founded as a

01:44:29.960 federation.

01:44:30.800 It's right in

01:44:31.140 the name,

01:44:31.760 United States.

01:44:33.160 It's not

01:44:33.580 merely states

01:44:34.220 though.

01:44:35.240 It was

01:44:35.540 understood

01:44:35.920 that states

01:44:37.460 refers not

01:44:38.340 just to

01:44:38.860 the boundaries

01:44:39.580 of a

01:44:40.160 specific

01:44:40.440 geographical

01:44:40.900 area,

01:44:41.560 but also

01:44:42.400 to certain

01:44:42.820 interests

01:44:43.300 and ethnic

01:44:44.860 groups,

01:44:45.300 including

01:44:45.700 Indians,

01:44:48.180 French,

01:44:49.020 Spanish,

01:44:49.540 in the

01:44:49.700 South.

01:44:50.900 That's what

01:44:51.520 it was

01:44:51.680 supposed to

01:44:52.080 be.

01:44:54.500 The

01:44:55.060 different

01:44:55.400 waves of

01:44:55.760 immigrants

01:44:56.120 in the

01:44:56.640 19th

01:44:56.960 century,

01:44:57.260 early

01:44:57.400 20th

01:44:57.720 century

01:44:58.040 brought

01:45:01.360 with them

01:45:01.860 the culture

01:45:03.400 from their

01:45:03.800 homeland.

01:45:04.440 but when

01:45:06.440 they

01:45:06.600 integrated

01:45:07.000 into the

01:45:08.040 United

01:45:08.220 States,

01:45:08.640 they

01:45:08.720 weren't

01:45:08.900 integrating

01:45:09.240 into

01:45:09.460 another

01:45:09.720 culture.

01:45:12.500 So

01:45:12.680 when we

01:45:13.280 come

01:45:13.480 into,

01:45:15.240 when we

01:45:15.680 take up

01:45:16.440 this struggle

01:45:17.360 for

01:45:17.980 nationalism,

01:45:19.680 especially

01:45:21.780 if it's

01:45:22.020 in an

01:45:22.180 orthodox

01:45:22.460 context,

01:45:23.420 we can't

01:45:24.000 be Americans

01:45:24.400 anymore.

01:45:25.240 We have

01:45:25.760 to abandon

01:45:26.140 it.

01:45:26.420 There's no

01:45:26.980 other way

01:45:27.520 out.

01:45:28.240 There is

01:45:28.440 no American 1.00

01:45:28.880 orthodoxy

01:45:29.360 because there

01:45:29.580 is no

01:45:29.820 American

01:45:30.140 identity.

01:45:30.560 And I

01:45:33.240 hear some

01:45:33.560 of these

01:45:33.740 people on

01:45:34.860 our side

01:45:35.280 say,

01:45:35.500 well, the

01:45:35.660 Constitution

01:45:35.960 is our

01:45:36.780 identity,

01:45:37.800 as if that

01:45:38.380 could be an

01:45:38.780 identity of

01:45:39.180 any kind

01:45:39.520 whatsoever.

01:45:41.900 And often

01:45:42.340 you see

01:45:42.720 Protestants,

01:45:43.060 I know many

01:45:43.400 Protestants,

01:45:43.940 who see

01:45:44.420 the Constitution

01:45:45.480 as another

01:45:45.900 book of

01:45:46.180 scripture.

01:45:47.760 But we

01:45:50.320 have to

01:45:50.680 isolate

01:45:50.980 ourselves.

01:45:52.300 There is

01:45:52.820 absolutely no

01:45:53.260 question about

01:45:53.760 it.

01:45:54.420 You have to

01:45:54.820 abandon how

01:45:55.700 we were

01:45:55.960 born and

01:45:56.340 raised,

01:45:56.860 because that

01:45:57.420 is from

01:45:57.980 Lucifer,

01:45:58.480 period.

01:45:58.700 and

01:46:00.380 develop

01:46:01.660 whatever,

01:46:02.840 in my

01:46:03.300 case,

01:46:03.720 it was not

01:46:04.380 from the

01:46:04.780 background

01:46:05.100 that I'm

01:46:05.760 from,

01:46:07.040 but where

01:46:08.260 I was

01:46:08.480 adopted

01:46:08.880 by the

01:46:09.660 Ukrainians

01:46:10.120 in Nebraska

01:46:10.800 in a very

01:46:12.020 real way.

01:46:13.480 That's what

01:46:14.080 you have to

01:46:14.480 do.

01:46:16.120 There could

01:46:16.760 be a

01:46:17.020 Western

01:46:17.280 identity,

01:46:18.560 you know,

01:46:18.860 Gaelic or

01:46:19.820 French.

01:46:21.840 But in

01:46:22.760 doing so,

01:46:23.260 you realize

01:46:23.680 that you

01:46:23.980 have now

01:46:24.380 stepped out

01:46:25.020 of American

01:46:26.240 life.

01:46:27.820 And then

01:46:28.060 I think

01:46:28.300 what are

01:46:28.500 people

01:46:28.720 should do

01:46:29.100 is get

01:46:29.380 deeper

01:46:29.700 and deeper

01:46:30.020 into that

01:46:30.900 identity.

01:46:32.300 Because if

01:46:32.640 you have

01:46:32.860 a French

01:46:33.180 background

01:46:33.600 and you're

01:46:34.700 born and

01:46:34.980 raised in

01:46:35.240 America,

01:46:36.560 it's still

01:46:37.320 very artificial

01:46:38.000 when you

01:46:39.220 become a

01:46:40.220 French

01:46:40.380 nationalist.

01:46:41.600 It's still

01:46:42.180 very artificial

01:46:42.660 because there

01:46:43.120 has to be a

01:46:43.540 point where

01:46:43.920 you convert

01:46:44.420 to that

01:46:44.840 despite your

01:46:45.560 DNA.

01:46:47.380 Because we

01:46:48.020 are all

01:46:48.380 raised to

01:46:49.220 be

01:46:49.580 cosmopolitan

01:46:50.260 pagans.

01:46:53.800 Almost all

01:46:54.420 of us are

01:46:54.840 raised that

01:46:55.260 way.

01:46:56.820 And certainly

01:46:57.140 if not

01:46:57.660 at home,

01:46:58.660 we certainly

01:46:58.940 are at

01:46:59.400 school and

01:46:59.900 elsewhere.

01:47:01.280 So it's

01:47:01.600 all

01:47:01.880 artificial.

01:47:04.520 People

01:47:04.960 complain that

01:47:05.560 I've gone

01:47:06.640 to the

01:47:06.860 Russian side

01:47:07.420 and identify

01:47:08.260 with them

01:47:08.760 despite that

01:47:09.220 I have no

01:47:09.560 Russian blood

01:47:10.000 in me.

01:47:13.300 And this

01:47:13.940 is how I

01:47:14.280 respond.

01:47:15.380 That in the

01:47:15.660 United States,

01:47:16.580 any ethnic

01:47:17.100 identification is

01:47:18.100 going to be

01:47:18.580 artificial for

01:47:19.740 most of our

01:47:20.180 people because

01:47:21.760 this is not

01:47:22.200 how we're

01:47:22.500 raised.

01:47:24.160 Like I

01:47:24.640 said,

01:47:24.920 people from

01:47:25.300 St.

01:47:25.520 George,

01:47:26.200 their children

01:47:26.740 were embarrassed

01:47:27.600 of their

01:47:29.040 parents.

01:47:30.160 They're old

01:47:30.500 world bumpkins

01:47:31.140 and we

01:47:31.540 can't possibly

01:47:32.060 be embarrassed

01:47:32.540 by this.

01:47:33.640 Partially

01:47:33.980 because they

01:47:34.240 didn't

01:47:34.360 understand it.

01:47:36.100 And the

01:47:36.420 consumer

01:47:36.860 culture on

01:47:37.980 television was

01:47:38.740 simply too

01:47:39.320 powerful.

01:47:41.940 So our

01:47:42.680 identity has

01:47:43.320 to be

01:47:43.900 remade

01:47:44.720 from an

01:47:47.040 ethnic

01:47:47.260 background

01:47:47.780 and get

01:47:49.560 deeper into

01:47:49.960 the church

01:47:50.340 from this

01:47:50.720 particular area.

01:47:51.540 The ethnic

01:47:52.280 church is

01:47:53.580 one, not

01:47:54.240 really by

01:47:54.580 blood.

01:47:55.160 That was

01:47:55.360 never the

01:47:57.000 understanding.

01:47:57.660 Gogol said

01:47:58.240 it, Dostoevsky

01:47:59.060 said it,

01:47:59.360 Solzhenitsyn said

01:47:59.960 it, to be

01:48:01.280 a Russian is

01:48:01.960 not to be

01:48:02.760 to have a

01:48:04.880 V at the

01:48:05.200 end of your

01:48:05.420 name.

01:48:06.300 I'm far

01:48:06.860 more Russian

01:48:07.420 than Brezhnev

01:48:08.100 ever was.

01:48:10.600 It's a

01:48:11.240 civilizational

01:48:11.840 connection.

01:48:12.400 You say the

01:48:12.620 Russian Orthodox

01:48:13.120 Church, you're

01:48:14.180 referring to

01:48:14.820 a liturgy, a

01:48:15.520 set of

01:48:15.680 traditions, a

01:48:16.200 set of

01:48:16.440 saints, a

01:48:16.940 set of

01:48:17.100 practices that

01:48:18.600 has that

01:48:19.220 part of the

01:48:19.620 world as

01:48:20.020 its origin.

01:48:21.540 This is what

01:48:21.860 we're talking

01:48:22.220 about.

01:48:22.920 But if

01:48:23.260 you're born

01:48:23.540 and raised

01:48:23.840 in America,

01:48:25.180 you will

01:48:25.540 have to

01:48:25.840 convert. 0.51

01:48:26.280 Even if

01:48:26.580 you're cradle

01:48:26.960 Orthodox, you 1.00

01:48:27.700 still have to

01:48:28.180 convert. 0.51

01:48:28.820 You go through

01:48:29.360 a period of

01:48:29.800 time when

01:48:30.080 you're a

01:48:30.280 teenager that

01:48:30.760 you kind

01:48:31.340 of reject

01:48:31.680 it all.

01:48:33.380 So we're

01:48:33.960 all converting

01:48:35.380 and our

01:48:36.080 identities really

01:48:36.660 have to be

01:48:37.520 created because

01:48:39.440 we live in

01:48:39.940 such a

01:48:40.180 synthetic,

01:48:40.960 anti-cultural

01:48:41.720 Faustian

01:48:42.160 world.

01:48:43.060 And that's

01:48:43.300 the challenge,

01:48:44.200 but we have

01:48:44.520 to do it.

01:48:45.280 There is no

01:48:45.720 American

01:48:46.020 Orthodoxy.

01:48:46.640 Yeah, and

01:48:49.580 this is, I

01:48:50.000 think, this

01:48:52.000 is the

01:48:52.220 central issue.

01:48:53.020 And I

01:48:53.300 talk about

01:48:53.900 this with

01:48:54.200 people at

01:48:54.680 my parish

01:48:55.000 all the

01:48:55.240 time.

01:48:55.460 I go to

01:48:55.680 a Russian

01:48:55.920 ethnic

01:48:56.200 parish.

01:48:57.260 And that

01:48:57.920 is that

01:48:59.640 there is

01:49:00.000 no, you

01:49:00.700 know, how

01:49:00.920 can you

01:49:01.200 ask someone

01:49:01.780 to translate

01:49:02.940 the liturgy

01:49:03.380 from Slavonic

01:49:04.040 into English

01:49:04.780 when you

01:49:05.940 know that

01:49:06.640 by doing

01:49:07.000 that you're

01:49:07.380 going to

01:49:07.700 dilute the

01:49:08.600 ethnic

01:49:08.860 identity of

01:49:09.480 that parish

01:49:09.980 for nothing,

01:49:11.380 for less

01:49:11.820 than nothing.

01:49:13.600 Right?

01:49:14.000 It can't

01:49:14.340 be done.

01:49:14.980 And so

01:49:15.220 it's really

01:49:15.600 difficult to

01:49:16.140 blame, you 0.74

01:49:17.900 know, any

01:49:18.220 of these

01:49:19.320 people.

01:49:20.200 Anyway, this

01:49:20.880 is a whole

01:49:21.240 big subject

01:49:21.720 that we

01:49:22.100 could probably

01:49:23.040 and we

01:49:24.260 should and

01:49:25.140 can and

01:49:26.020 will do a

01:49:27.040 whole episode

01:49:27.540 just on the

01:49:28.360 idea of

01:49:29.780 Orthodox

01:49:30.180 ethnogenesis in

01:49:31.520 the North

01:49:31.740 American

01:49:32.020 continent.

01:49:33.040 And that's a

01:49:33.420 really big

01:49:33.740 important question.

01:49:34.900 But I think

01:49:35.400 that it's time

01:49:36.180 that we've

01:49:36.540 come to the

01:49:37.100 end of our

01:49:37.760 main topic.

01:49:38.260 We've kind

01:49:38.520 of addressed

01:49:38.840 the points

01:49:39.200 that I wanted

01:49:39.580 to address.

01:49:40.620 Come to

01:49:41.080 Kali Yuga

01:49:42.080 News.

01:49:43.200 Now, Father,

01:49:44.000 I know

01:49:44.240 that you

01:49:44.700 wanted to

01:49:45.880 address, you

01:49:46.300 had a couple

01:49:46.740 of stories

01:49:47.140 you picked

01:49:47.440 up.

01:49:49.820 Well, you

01:49:50.380 know, you

01:49:50.540 normally have,

01:49:51.560 you went

01:49:51.880 through this

01:49:52.140 weird phase

01:49:52.760 where you

01:49:53.020 had this 0.99

01:49:53.440 sex robot 0.99

01:49:54.140 fetish. 0.99

01:49:55.820 I'm glad

01:49:56.080 you found

01:49:56.420 that.

01:49:58.800 So, but

01:49:59.940 other than

01:50:00.400 that, your

01:50:01.620 choice of

01:50:02.300 stories are

01:50:03.000 always really

01:50:03.280 good.

01:50:04.300 And there

01:50:04.840 are two

01:50:05.120 here that

01:50:06.100 on their

01:50:07.380 face don't

01:50:07.980 seem related

01:50:08.420 but are

01:50:08.840 very closely

01:50:09.280 related.

01:50:10.740 The first

01:50:11.420 one is the

01:50:12.660 talks between

01:50:13.320 North Korea

01:50:13.820 and China

01:50:14.300 ahead of

01:50:16.320 the talks

01:50:16.600 with the

01:50:16.800 United States

01:50:17.380 which I

01:50:18.180 think are

01:50:18.400 going to

01:50:18.500 go very

01:50:18.780 badly.

01:50:20.380 And that

01:50:22.520 of what I've

01:50:23.460 been talking

01:50:23.820 about for

01:50:24.220 several years,

01:50:25.980 the conversion

01:50:27.080 of energy

01:50:28.660 transactions

01:50:30.120 between Russia

01:50:31.020 and China

01:50:31.540 into

01:50:33.600 non-dollar

01:50:35.220 denomination.

01:50:35.740 The more

01:50:39.480 important one

01:50:40.040 is the

01:50:40.360 non-dollar

01:50:40.840 issue.

01:50:43.060 For those

01:50:43.740 who run

01:50:44.040 the Federal

01:50:44.320 Reserve,

01:50:46.060 you know,

01:50:46.620 financial

01:50:47.020 elites in

01:50:47.980 America,

01:50:48.740 this is the

01:50:49.760 biggest issue

01:50:50.280 on the

01:50:50.640 planet right

01:50:51.120 now.

01:50:52.320 You don't

01:50:53.000 see a lot

01:50:53.480 of coverage

01:50:53.840 of it

01:50:54.120 because it's

01:50:55.020 too abstract

01:50:55.520 and frankly

01:50:57.080 it's simply

01:50:57.500 too apocalyptic

01:50:58.540 for most

01:50:59.240 people.

01:51:01.740 Both Russia 0.86

01:51:02.420 and China

01:51:02.800 have the

01:51:03.220 banking system

01:51:04.000 in place

01:51:05.280 to make

01:51:07.000 and it's

01:51:07.160 a very

01:51:07.300 complicated

01:51:07.680 matter

01:51:08.120 to make

01:51:09.060 these

01:51:09.440 transactions

01:51:10.320 in the

01:51:11.100 Chinese

01:51:11.440 yuan

01:51:11.680 or the

01:51:13.340 ruble.

01:51:15.820 Because the

01:51:16.460 Chinese economy

01:51:17.100 is larger

01:51:17.540 they may

01:51:17.960 just go

01:51:18.660 to the

01:51:19.380 yuan.

01:51:20.700 And this

01:51:21.160 of course

01:51:21.440 is not

01:51:21.780 connected

01:51:22.020 to the

01:51:22.320 Shanghai

01:51:22.640 Cooperation

01:51:23.100 Organization

01:51:23.480 but clearly

01:51:24.260 comes from

01:51:24.600 the same

01:51:24.940 ideology.

01:51:26.440 It's

01:51:26.640 Eurasianism

01:51:27.520 in action.

01:51:30.000 People

01:51:30.520 wonder why

01:51:31.060 there's this

01:51:31.440 massive

01:51:31.720 military build-up

01:51:32.560 against

01:51:33.440 Russia.

01:51:34.000 For no

01:51:34.860 obvious

01:51:35.180 reason.

01:51:36.520 They wonder

01:51:37.260 why the

01:51:37.760 U.S.

01:51:38.140 is provoking

01:51:38.780 the Chinese

01:51:40.100 Navy in

01:51:40.700 the South

01:51:40.940 China Sea.

01:51:43.480 And why

01:51:44.180 it's such a

01:51:44.540 disaster that

01:51:45.340 Duterte in

01:51:46.040 the Philippines

01:51:47.100 are now

01:51:47.440 sided with

01:51:47.840 China.

01:51:49.960 This is

01:51:50.600 the concern.

01:51:52.960 If,

01:51:53.980 and this

01:51:54.280 will be going

01:51:54.740 through in

01:51:55.280 a few months,

01:51:56.640 there's going

01:51:56.960 to be a

01:51:57.360 lot of

01:51:57.660 downward

01:51:57.880 pressure on

01:51:58.440 the dollar.

01:51:59.100 A dollar

01:51:59.460 that's

01:51:59.660 lost most

01:52:00.380 of its

01:52:00.520 value anyway.

01:52:01.020 the worst

01:52:03.100 possible

01:52:03.720 scenario

01:52:04.180 is that

01:52:05.340 it simply

01:52:05.660 loses all

01:52:06.400 of its

01:52:06.560 value.

01:52:07.840 There is

01:52:08.060 no real

01:52:08.380 American

01:52:08.700 economy

01:52:09.140 that's

01:52:09.380 based on

01:52:09.660 anything

01:52:09.920 tangible.

01:52:11.480 So it's

01:52:12.080 weak and

01:52:12.600 fragile based

01:52:13.260 largely on

01:52:14.960 American

01:52:15.380 consumers.

01:52:17.020 And that's

01:52:17.260 what the

01:52:17.440 U.S.

01:52:17.700 offers,

01:52:18.280 access to

01:52:18.800 its market.

01:52:20.240 But if

01:52:20.820 the currency

01:52:21.240 is worthless,

01:52:22.200 then that

01:52:22.620 market is

01:52:23.040 no longer

01:52:23.380 a weapon.

01:52:24.760 I don't

01:52:24.960 think it's

01:52:25.180 a weapon

01:52:25.420 anyway,

01:52:26.060 given the

01:52:26.500 level of

01:52:26.780 consumer

01:52:27.060 debt,

01:52:28.160 which is

01:52:28.560 almost as

01:52:28.900 high as

01:52:29.320 federal

01:52:29.540 government

01:52:29.860 debt.

01:52:30.880 So this

01:52:31.640 is a

01:52:32.460 catastrophic

01:52:33.960 concept.

01:52:36.400 And it

01:52:36.580 also proves,

01:52:37.360 by the way,

01:52:38.540 that Vladimir

01:52:39.280 Putin has

01:52:39.780 nationalized the

01:52:40.860 central bank

01:52:41.500 of Russia.

01:52:43.120 Because they

01:52:43.900 certainly,

01:52:44.360 if this was a

01:52:44.740 Rothschild bank,

01:52:45.400 they most

01:52:45.700 certainly would

01:52:46.220 not accept

01:52:46.580 this.

01:52:48.140 So he

01:52:48.820 has in a

01:52:49.360 very stealthy

01:52:50.380 way nationalized

01:52:52.500 the central

01:52:53.520 bank,

01:52:54.740 maybe not

01:52:55.560 de jure,

01:52:56.040 but most

01:52:56.280 certainly de

01:52:56.680 facto.

01:52:56.920 Now,

01:52:58.740 I mentioned

01:53:00.200 the war

01:53:00.720 drums because

01:53:02.620 this is the

01:53:05.180 most critical

01:53:06.340 issue in the

01:53:06.820 world.

01:53:08.400 If the

01:53:08.980 American

01:53:09.180 economy has

01:53:10.100 this kind

01:53:10.460 of downward

01:53:10.740 pressure on

01:53:11.280 it,

01:53:12.820 warfare is

01:53:13.500 probably the

01:53:13.980 only thing

01:53:14.340 that's going

01:53:14.640 to maintain

01:53:15.200 any kind

01:53:15.560 of unity

01:53:15.840 amongst

01:53:16.120 people.

01:53:18.080 1940,

01:53:18.860 1941,

01:53:20.220 the Great

01:53:21.760 Depression was

01:53:22.300 not going

01:53:22.720 anywhere no

01:53:23.180 matter what

01:53:23.600 the federal

01:53:23.940 government

01:53:24.240 did.

01:53:24.520 When the

01:53:26.580 federal

01:53:26.720 government

01:53:26.980 took over

01:53:27.340 the economy

01:53:27.900 in the

01:53:28.840 total war

01:53:29.220 scenario

01:53:29.620 in early

01:53:30.560 1942,

01:53:32.260 they recovered

01:53:33.840 and the

01:53:34.980 U.S.

01:53:35.300 had zero

01:53:35.720 unemployment.

01:53:37.800 Now,

01:53:38.300 I don't think

01:53:38.640 that's the

01:53:39.120 sole reason

01:53:39.960 for this

01:53:40.300 buildup,

01:53:41.520 but the

01:53:42.100 U.S.

01:53:42.780 dominance,

01:53:43.380 the U.S.

01:53:44.480 even as a

01:53:45.200 major power,

01:53:46.000 let alone

01:53:46.240 superpower,

01:53:47.400 is endangered

01:53:47.980 by this.

01:53:49.940 Now,

01:53:50.500 because of

01:53:51.840 that,

01:53:52.100 we talk

01:53:52.340 about the

01:53:52.580 next article,

01:53:53.040 which is

01:53:54.060 talks between

01:53:54.740 China and

01:53:55.660 North Korea.

01:53:57.360 If you

01:53:57.860 remember,

01:53:58.760 last year,

01:53:59.580 there was a

01:54:00.000 rumor that

01:54:01.340 was spread

01:54:01.860 as news

01:54:02.620 by the

01:54:02.920 New York

01:54:03.140 Times and

01:54:03.640 the

01:54:03.740 Washington

01:54:03.960 Post

01:54:04.360 that China 0.93

01:54:06.080 and North

01:54:06.940 Korea were 1.00

01:54:07.300 almost at

01:54:07.700 war,

01:54:08.820 that China 0.93

01:54:09.740 was threatening

01:54:10.180 North Korea,

01:54:10.820 that they were

01:54:11.140 breaking ties

01:54:11.960 with North

01:54:12.280 Korea.

01:54:13.440 That was

01:54:13.940 just wishful

01:54:14.320 thinking.

01:54:14.880 None of

01:54:15.080 that was

01:54:15.360 true.

01:54:15.840 I don't

01:54:15.980 know if

01:54:16.100 you remember

01:54:16.400 that or

01:54:16.660 not,

01:54:17.380 but it

01:54:17.640 was a very,

01:54:18.520 very common

01:54:18.920 claim,

01:54:19.940 and none of

01:54:20.820 it was true.

01:54:21.280 In fact,

01:54:21.540 even the

01:54:21.760 Chinese news

01:54:22.200 agency said

01:54:22.820 this is a

01:54:23.460 lie.

01:54:24.660 We are

01:54:24.920 not separating

01:54:25.420 from one

01:54:25.740 another.

01:54:26.040 We are

01:54:26.240 close allies

01:54:26.860 and this

01:54:27.160 is never

01:54:28.880 going to

01:54:29.120 change.

01:54:31.820 Separating

01:54:32.260 China and

01:54:33.460 North Korea

01:54:33.960 has been a

01:54:34.580 goal of the

01:54:35.280 foreign policy

01:54:35.800 establishment for

01:54:36.500 many, many,

01:54:36.980 many years,

01:54:37.440 countries.

01:54:38.500 It's actually

01:54:39.180 a pretty

01:54:39.560 smart move

01:54:40.340 for Kim

01:54:41.600 to go

01:54:41.920 and meet

01:54:42.320 with Xi

01:54:43.820 Jinping 0.99

01:54:44.080 before he

01:54:45.360 meets with

01:54:45.720 the American

01:54:46.080 delegation

01:54:46.520 because he's

01:54:48.260 essentially saying

01:54:48.860 I have

01:54:49.320 backup to

01:54:50.880 the Americans

01:54:51.620 when this

01:54:52.380 actually takes

01:54:52.900 place.

01:54:54.460 I have

01:54:54.820 backup,

01:54:55.280 all right.

01:54:55.540 I have the

01:54:55.880 largest,

01:54:57.160 well,

01:54:57.980 very soon to

01:54:58.480 be the

01:54:58.660 largest economy

01:54:59.140 in the

01:54:59.360 world backing

01:55:00.980 me.

01:55:01.840 North Korea

01:55:02.240 functions because

01:55:03.720 its trade is

01:55:04.800 overwhelmingly with

01:55:05.900 China.

01:55:08.080 The U.S.

01:55:08.820 is in no

01:55:09.340 position to

01:55:11.140 tell the

01:55:11.460 Chinese to

01:55:12.080 stop trading

01:55:12.540 with the

01:55:12.760 North.

01:55:13.900 No position

01:55:14.400 whatsoever.

01:55:16.840 China owns 0.99

01:55:17.580 so many

01:55:17.880 dollars,

01:55:18.420 so many

01:55:19.020 weapons.

01:55:20.460 And I'll

01:55:20.800 go off the

01:55:21.240 topic here

01:55:21.600 just for a

01:55:22.000 second because

01:55:22.400 I have to

01:55:22.700 say this.

01:55:24.000 I'm sick

01:55:24.580 and tired,

01:55:25.260 sick and

01:55:25.720 tired of

01:55:26.960 journalists

01:55:27.320 referring to

01:55:27.800 the United

01:55:28.060 States as

01:55:28.940 a military

01:55:29.740 superpower.

01:55:31.980 How can

01:55:32.560 that,

01:55:32.800 there is no

01:55:33.720 way.

01:55:34.040 I mean,

01:55:34.220 the U.S.

01:55:34.600 has lost

01:55:35.040 every war

01:55:35.600 it's ever

01:55:36.900 really been

01:55:37.360 in,

01:55:39.260 including,

01:55:40.060 you know,

01:55:40.200 the Western

01:55:40.520 Front in

01:55:40.860 World War

01:55:41.100 II,

01:55:42.140 where most

01:55:42.860 of the

01:55:43.060 fighting was

01:55:43.600 done in

01:55:43.920 the Soviet

01:55:44.180 Union.

01:55:47.480 And in

01:55:48.080 Japan,

01:55:48.700 you needed

01:55:48.880 nuclear

01:55:49.140 weapons

01:55:49.580 to end

01:55:50.600 that war.

01:55:52.580 And,

01:55:53.000 you know,

01:55:53.480 but after

01:55:53.940 that,

01:55:54.820 every war

01:55:55.320 has been

01:55:55.620 lost.

01:55:56.400 Well,

01:55:56.600 maybe not

01:55:57.280 Panama or

01:55:58.000 Grenada.

01:56:00.780 And the

01:56:01.340 U.S.

01:56:01.680 has lied

01:56:02.460 about

01:56:02.680 casualty

01:56:03.020 figures in

01:56:03.800 Afghanistan.

01:56:04.200 But the

01:56:05.200 U.S.

01:56:05.420 has lost

01:56:05.800 in

01:56:05.980 Somalia.

01:56:06.740 It was

01:56:06.960 actually

01:56:07.200 humiliated

01:56:07.760 in

01:56:07.920 Somalia.

01:56:09.300 Lost

01:56:09.580 in Iraq.

01:56:10.700 Generals

01:56:11.040 are now

01:56:11.340 saying that

01:56:11.860 they've

01:56:12.060 lost in

01:56:12.660 Afghanistan.

01:56:14.740 Vietnam

01:56:15.020 is infamous,

01:56:15.860 a stalemate

01:56:16.340 in Korea.

01:56:19.500 The U.S.

01:56:20.640 military is

01:56:22.140 not a

01:56:22.420 formidable

01:56:22.700 force,

01:56:23.680 apparently,

01:56:25.160 when it

01:56:25.500 comes up

01:56:25.800 against

01:56:26.120 ragtag

01:56:26.800 militias

01:56:27.360 with

01:56:29.060 homemade

01:56:29.380 AK-47s.

01:56:30.240 maybe

01:56:31.980 against

01:56:32.220 regulars

01:56:32.760 it will

01:56:33.260 be,

01:56:34.180 but not

01:56:34.460 against

01:56:34.680 this.

01:56:36.260 And the

01:56:36.540 U.S.

01:56:36.780 is already

01:56:36.980 making

01:56:37.220 excuses.

01:56:38.500 You know,

01:56:38.640 oh,

01:56:38.780 it's

01:56:38.860 Pakistan

01:56:39.300 supporting

01:56:39.840 the

01:56:40.160 Taliban.

01:56:40.940 That's

01:56:41.080 why we're

01:56:42.240 losing.

01:56:43.740 After,

01:56:44.120 you know,

01:56:45.900 15 years

01:56:47.020 or even

01:56:48.120 more,

01:56:48.940 how that

01:56:49.440 could be

01:56:49.620 an excuse

01:56:50.000 is beyond

01:56:50.880 me.

01:56:52.380 But this

01:56:53.780 is the

01:56:54.000 mentality I

01:56:54.460 think the

01:56:54.640 North Koreans 0.96

01:56:55.060 have,

01:56:55.960 that when

01:56:57.180 they have

01:56:57.400 the backing

01:56:57.740 of China,

01:56:58.180 China has 0.91

01:56:58.940 another

01:56:59.860 fifth

01:57:00.140 generation

01:57:00.660 stealth

01:57:02.960 fighter in

01:57:04.740 production.

01:57:05.440 They have

01:57:05.800 two aircraft

01:57:06.940 carriers.

01:57:09.520 And most

01:57:09.940 of the U.S.

01:57:10.420 aircraft

01:57:10.660 carriers,

01:57:11.480 I think,

01:57:12.080 are not

01:57:12.920 saleable

01:57:13.340 at the

01:57:13.900 moment.

01:57:15.060 Half of

01:57:15.460 the American

01:57:15.940 naval

01:57:16.580 jets can't 1.00

01:57:18.740 fly.

01:57:19.560 About a

01:57:19.960 third of

01:57:20.360 the USAF

01:57:20.860 or more

01:57:21.220 than that

01:57:21.600 can't

01:57:21.940 fly.

01:57:23.320 There's

01:57:23.620 about an

01:57:23.900 8,000

01:57:24.560 shortfall

01:57:25.380 in pilots

01:57:26.160 in the

01:57:28.260 Air Force.

01:57:28.740 Morale is

01:57:29.320 at absolute

01:57:29.820 rock

01:57:30.140 bottom and

01:57:30.640 desertion

01:57:31.140 is at

01:57:31.620 rock

01:57:31.800 bottom.

01:57:33.180 There is

01:57:33.540 this quiet

01:57:34.000 crisis going

01:57:34.660 on and

01:57:35.940 the Chinese

01:57:36.260 are aware

01:57:36.600 that the

01:57:37.080 Russians

01:57:37.320 are,

01:57:38.300 the Kazakhs

01:57:38.940 are,

01:57:39.240 and North

01:57:39.740 Korea is. 0.88

01:57:41.900 And so

01:57:42.320 you have

01:57:44.020 a one-two

01:57:44.420 punch here. 0.75

01:57:45.080 You have

01:57:45.520 the end

01:57:45.880 of American

01:57:46.260 economic

01:57:46.620 dominance

01:57:47.040 with the

01:57:48.240 oil issue

01:57:48.780 and before

01:57:50.760 the talks

01:57:51.380 between the

01:57:51.860 U.S.

01:57:52.040 and North

01:57:52.280 Korea,

01:57:52.520 the Kims 0.94

01:57:55.340 go to

01:57:56.080 China,

01:57:56.740 shore up

01:57:57.040 that alliance

01:57:57.600 and so

01:57:58.320 when they

01:57:58.520 come to

01:57:58.760 the table

01:57:59.160 they say

01:58:00.240 you're not

01:58:00.620 just dealing

01:58:00.980 with me,

01:58:01.740 you're dealing

01:58:02.220 with the

01:58:02.980 largest

01:58:03.160 economy.

01:58:03.560 It's going

01:58:03.820 to be the

01:58:04.060 world's

01:58:04.340 largest

01:58:04.500 economy in

01:58:05.020 2021 I

01:58:06.180 think is

01:58:06.760 the forecast.

01:58:08.720 It probably

01:58:09.140 already is.

01:58:10.760 So what we're

01:58:11.480 talking about,

01:58:11.780 these two

01:58:12.080 stories,

01:58:13.020 these are

01:58:13.460 apocalyptic

01:58:13.880 and nothing

01:58:14.460 short of

01:58:14.800 that.

01:58:16.600 Yeah,

01:58:17.240 I agree with

01:58:18.660 your analysis

01:58:19.080 generally speaking

01:58:19.760 but the

01:58:21.000 question I have

01:58:21.540 for you is

01:58:21.960 to what

01:58:22.840 degree do

01:58:23.320 you think

01:58:24.060 the geopolitical

01:58:26.200 relations are

01:58:27.180 illusory or

01:58:30.140 that the

01:58:30.820 reporting is

01:58:32.240 put on?

01:58:36.000 Because I

01:58:36.420 think that

01:58:36.720 there's sometimes

01:58:37.200 you run into

01:58:37.860 people who

01:58:39.000 make allegations

01:58:40.520 that a lot

01:58:41.640 of the

01:58:42.060 international

01:58:42.940 diplomacy is

01:58:43.700 merely theater

01:58:44.680 and that

01:58:45.560 the narrative

01:58:47.320 that's commonly

01:58:47.820 presented or

01:58:48.540 that almost

01:58:49.500 that there's

01:58:49.840 a denial of

01:58:51.240 true geopolitical

01:58:52.180 relations

01:58:52.680 because there's

01:58:53.220 kind of an

01:58:53.580 assertion that

01:58:54.280 underneath the

01:58:55.540 scene there's

01:58:55.920 no discrete

01:58:57.120 categories of

01:58:58.140 geopolitical

01:58:59.640 interests,

01:59:00.020 right?

01:59:00.420 That Russia and 0.98

01:59:01.100 China are 0.90

01:59:01.660 secretly at the

01:59:02.780 bidding of the

01:59:03.520 Rockefeller

01:59:05.100 technocrats.

01:59:05.700 Yeah.

01:59:08.160 It's a good

01:59:08.780 question and it

01:59:09.260 comes up again

01:59:09.740 and again.

01:59:10.620 The whole

01:59:10.860 point of

01:59:11.180 international

01:59:11.520 relations,

01:59:12.380 which is one

01:59:12.720 of my big

01:59:13.060 areas in

01:59:13.720 grad school

01:59:14.200 in the

01:59:15.600 90s,

01:59:16.820 and Nebraska

01:59:17.520 Lincoln is

01:59:17.980 known for

01:59:18.420 this,

01:59:19.640 is that

01:59:21.480 the images

01:59:22.740 and the

01:59:23.860 diplomatic

01:59:24.360 talks are

01:59:25.680 fabricated.

01:59:26.800 They don't

01:59:27.100 matter.

01:59:27.360 to think

01:59:29.460 that a

01:59:29.860 press release

01:59:30.280 coming from

01:59:30.660 something like

01:59:31.040 this is

01:59:31.400 meaningful,

01:59:32.720 you need to

01:59:33.640 stop talking

01:59:34.040 to that

01:59:34.280 person.

01:59:36.100 It's pure

01:59:36.640 image.

01:59:37.640 The only

01:59:38.320 thing that you

01:59:38.780 can go by

01:59:39.420 is actions.

01:59:41.520 And when I

01:59:41.960 say actions,

01:59:42.620 I mean actions

01:59:43.280 over time

01:59:43.900 because I

01:59:45.660 don't believe

01:59:46.320 what I read

01:59:47.100 from the

01:59:49.080 major news

01:59:49.800 sources.

01:59:50.220 But thank

01:59:50.540 God we live

01:59:51.260 in the era

01:59:51.700 of the internet

01:59:52.780 where we

01:59:53.520 could go to

01:59:54.100 Chinese media,

01:59:54.840 we can go to

01:59:55.220 North Korean,

01:59:55.720 we can go

01:59:56.300 wherever we

01:59:56.640 want.

01:59:57.360 The Taliban 0.89

01:59:58.160 has its own

01:59:58.660 website.

02:00:01.400 And once

02:00:02.320 you get all

02:00:02.660 that information

02:00:03.300 you could

02:00:03.740 make,

02:00:04.120 especially over

02:00:04.560 years,

02:00:05.660 a solid

02:00:08.000 analysis of

02:00:10.140 what's actually

02:00:10.820 going on.

02:00:11.760 When I say

02:00:12.280 talks,

02:00:13.160 I just mean

02:00:13.860 that in the

02:00:14.620 case of

02:00:15.000 North Korea

02:00:15.580 and the

02:00:16.140 US,

02:00:17.020 the fact that

02:00:17.440 the US

02:00:17.820 is going to

02:00:18.500 the table

02:00:18.940 with North

02:00:19.280 Korea is 0.98

02:00:20.920 a defeat.

02:00:24.380 If the

02:00:24.720 US is this

02:00:25.120 major superpower,

02:00:26.220 why would

02:00:26.500 it even

02:00:26.680 want to

02:00:26.880 talk at

02:00:27.180 all?

02:00:27.380 Who

02:00:27.500 cares?

02:00:30.200 So the

02:00:31.260 talks are

02:00:31.640 meaningless

02:00:32.000 in and of

02:00:33.520 themselves.

02:00:34.140 The press

02:00:34.660 release is

02:00:35.040 going to be

02:00:35.380 absolutely

02:00:35.760 nothing but

02:00:36.160 rhetoric.

02:00:37.480 But the

02:00:38.020 very fact

02:00:38.460 that the

02:00:38.680 US are

02:00:39.040 willing to

02:00:39.400 go to

02:00:39.560 the table

02:00:39.940 here is

02:00:41.600 a major

02:00:42.160 coup for

02:00:42.780 Kim.

02:00:43.600 That's the

02:00:44.120 geopolitical

02:00:44.600 significance

02:00:45.060 here,

02:00:45.540 not what's

02:00:46.080 actually

02:00:46.560 uttered.

02:00:49.760 Yeah,

02:00:50.340 fascinating.

02:00:51.680 I mean,

02:00:51.860 I tend to

02:00:52.260 agree.

02:00:52.540 Did that

02:00:52.700 answer your

02:00:53.040 question?

02:00:53.280 Yeah,

02:00:53.720 it did.

02:00:54.120 It did.

02:00:54.620 I mean,

02:00:54.860 this is

02:00:55.260 pretty

02:00:57.980 correct.

02:00:58.820 And it's

02:01:00.240 also a good

02:01:00.920 means of

02:01:01.320 discerning what

02:01:01.860 the truth of

02:01:02.280 history is,

02:01:02.760 is if you

02:01:03.260 look past the

02:01:04.360 rhetoric and

02:01:04.980 what the

02:01:05.280 actual effects

02:01:06.160 of movements

02:01:07.540 or campaigns

02:01:08.120 are.

02:01:08.300 like I was

02:01:08.800 recently,

02:01:09.620 it was funny,

02:01:10.080 I was

02:01:10.240 recently

02:01:10.480 watching a

02:01:11.740 Ken Burns

02:01:12.080 documentary on

02:01:12.800 Vietnam and

02:01:14.340 I was thinking

02:01:15.220 about how the

02:01:15.980 very documentary

02:01:17.000 of the

02:01:17.940 social movement

02:01:19.680 is itself a

02:01:20.400 piece of

02:01:20.680 propaganda designed

02:01:21.400 to reinforce

02:01:22.020 the narrative of

02:01:22.880 the social

02:01:23.240 movement.

02:01:24.480 And I kind of

02:01:25.780 was thinking

02:01:26.080 about this and

02:01:26.460 I came to

02:01:26.800 the clue,

02:01:27.160 well,

02:01:27.340 what was the

02:01:28.000 product of

02:01:28.600 the war in

02:01:29.160 Vietnam?

02:01:29.880 Well,

02:01:30.340 American

02:01:30.680 social revolution.

02:01:33.840 Well,

02:01:34.340 let me ask

02:01:34.640 you a question

02:01:35.080 now.

02:01:36.640 What in the

02:01:37.380 hell did I

02:01:37.940 do before

02:01:38.340 the internet?

02:01:40.560 Good question.

02:01:41.440 I don't know.

02:01:41.760 I guess you

02:01:42.000 read books.

02:01:42.480 I don't,

02:01:42.860 I mean,

02:01:43.060 it's like,

02:01:43.580 it's a,

02:01:43.860 it's this fog

02:01:44.460 in my mind.

02:01:46.500 You know,

02:01:47.060 how did I

02:01:47.520 study?

02:01:48.040 I mean,

02:01:48.220 I vaguely

02:01:49.120 remember going

02:01:49.520 to the

02:01:49.740 library,

02:01:51.300 you know,

02:01:51.800 but my

02:01:53.060 God,

02:01:53.820 I mean,

02:01:54.380 we were so

02:01:54.940 truncated

02:01:55.480 back then.

02:01:58.880 And the

02:01:59.300 fact that we

02:01:59.660 can go to

02:02:00.280 state Chinese

02:02:00.960 media,

02:02:01.400 we can go

02:02:01.660 to North

02:02:01.860 Korean media,

02:02:02.440 we can go

02:02:02.580 to Taliban 0.69

02:02:02.940 media,

02:02:04.300 everyone who's

02:02:06.060 anybody,

02:02:06.520 including 1.00

02:02:06.780 idiots. 1.00

02:02:07.940 have sites 1.00

02:02:08.580 and blogs

02:02:09.000 and everything

02:02:09.320 else.

02:02:09.660 My God,

02:02:10.040 what did I

02:02:10.360 do?

02:02:11.860 You know,

02:02:12.320 it's,

02:02:12.860 you know,

02:02:13.220 it's like,

02:02:13.720 it's like when

02:02:14.620 you ask

02:02:14.860 yourself,

02:02:15.200 what did I

02:02:15.400 do before

02:02:15.700 having kids?

02:02:16.400 I can never

02:02:16.800 remember.

02:02:18.840 You know,

02:02:19.500 it's just

02:02:20.100 absolutely

02:02:20.540 revolutionary in

02:02:21.320 every sense of

02:02:21.840 that word.

02:02:22.940 God,

02:02:23.280 I'm almost

02:02:23.540 embarrassed at

02:02:24.740 what I said or

02:02:25.280 what I wrote

02:02:25.720 prior to the

02:02:26.260 development of

02:02:26.660 the internet.

02:02:27.280 We didn't

02:02:27.560 know anything.

02:02:27.900 Indeed,

02:02:30.580 a great blessing.

02:02:32.380 Okay,

02:02:32.780 well,

02:02:32.960 we're going to

02:02:33.200 hit this last

02:02:33.740 story.

02:02:34.060 I'll present it

02:02:34.820 and I think

02:02:35.160 we'll check out.

02:02:37.700 So this is from

02:02:38.420 Daily Stormer

02:02:39.440 and it's,

02:02:40.040 the byline here

02:02:41.460 is,

02:02:41.760 Walmart removing

02:02:42.520 Cosmopolitan

02:02:43.440 magazine from

02:02:44.100 checkout shelves

02:02:44.760 for being too

02:02:45.380 sexy.

02:02:48.360 And,

02:02:48.880 Andrew Anglin

02:02:50.640 pithily states,

02:02:52.220 sometimes it is

02:02:53.220 though feminism 0.98

02:02:53.880 is ultimately

02:02:54.460 going to end

02:02:55.520 in a return

02:02:56.740 to the sexual

02:02:57.680 puritanism that

02:02:58.680 feminism initially 1.00

02:02:59.660 allegedly sought

02:03:00.420 to liberate women

02:03:01.040 from,

02:03:01.560 which is ironic.

02:03:03.000 And I wonder

02:03:03.580 if they'll ever

02:03:04.300 say it turns out

02:03:05.100 that patriarchy

02:03:05.640 was right.

02:03:07.340 The essence

02:03:08.300 here is that

02:03:08.740 the retail giant

02:03:09.640 is pulling the

02:03:11.060 magazine from

02:03:11.480 checkout lines at

02:03:12.200 5,000 stores

02:03:12.780 across the United

02:03:13.400 States because

02:03:15.360 it's too

02:03:15.780 pornographic,

02:03:16.440 pretty much.

02:03:19.780 The story is

02:03:22.000 indeed a very

02:03:23.180 funny,

02:03:23.600 very ironic.

02:03:24.460 I mean,

02:03:24.660 because the

02:03:25.780 obvious fact is

02:03:27.320 that this culture

02:03:28.820 is directly

02:03:29.220 precipitated by

02:03:30.500 organizations like

02:03:31.420 Walmart,

02:03:31.920 that the

02:03:32.120 pornographic

02:03:32.980 culture is

02:03:33.920 directly a

02:03:34.500 product of

02:03:35.540 their business

02:03:38.580 actions and

02:03:39.240 ethic and

02:03:40.200 worldview that

02:03:40.760 they export

02:03:41.420 across the

02:03:41.900 entire world,

02:03:42.900 that they

02:03:43.160 themselves are

02:03:43.660 directly complicit

02:03:45.340 in facilitating

02:03:46.360 the widespread

02:03:47.240 distribution of

02:03:48.500 the pornographic

02:03:49.160 culture and

02:03:49.760 mindset.

02:03:51.040 Well,

02:03:51.100 here's the

02:03:51.360 idea.

02:03:52.000 And this

02:03:55.020 one is kind

02:03:55.400 of an easy

02:03:55.740 one.

02:03:57.420 It's not as

02:03:58.340 if feminists 1.00

02:03:59.700 have abandoned

02:04:00.160 the sexual

02:04:00.540 revolution.

02:04:01.740 They most

02:04:02.380 certainly have

02:04:02.880 not.

02:04:04.560 But what's

02:04:05.260 happened is

02:04:05.920 they released

02:04:07.080 the most

02:04:07.880 powerful force

02:04:08.520 in the world

02:04:08.960 and that is

02:04:09.720 the male 0.70

02:04:10.100 sex drive, 0.86

02:04:10.900 the young 0.95

02:04:11.160 male sex 0.88

02:04:11.600 drive. 0.96

02:04:12.880 And then

02:04:13.640 once that

02:04:14.480 gets accustomed

02:04:15.160 to doing

02:04:15.700 whatever it

02:04:16.080 wants,

02:04:16.900 it then

02:04:17.640 criminalizes

02:04:18.280 it.

02:04:19.940 It's a

02:04:20.460 bait and

02:04:20.700 switch.

02:04:22.000 it's an

02:04:22.760 anti-male

02:04:23.440 drive.

02:04:25.020 I don't

02:04:25.580 care what

02:04:26.180 else you

02:04:26.480 may say

02:04:26.980 about the

02:04:27.460 society in

02:04:27.880 which we

02:04:28.160 live,

02:04:28.740 but the

02:04:29.280 one most

02:04:29.720 obvious

02:04:30.200 factor is

02:04:31.020 that it

02:04:31.300 is a

02:04:31.540 matriarchy. 1.00

02:04:32.000 all kinds

02:04:35.180 of real

02:04:35.600 true power

02:04:36.300 are held

02:04:37.560 by female.

02:04:38.760 I could

02:04:39.080 talk about

02:04:39.480 all the

02:04:39.880 laws.

02:04:41.200 Women pay 1.00

02:04:41.620 less taxes.

02:04:44.920 They can't

02:04:45.720 even be

02:04:46.800 yelled at

02:04:47.300 in public.

02:04:49.400 Women 1.00

02:04:49.880 dominate this

02:04:50.660 society and

02:04:51.520 men follow

02:04:52.140 them around

02:04:52.820 begging for

02:04:55.100 their approval.

02:04:55.560 it is a

02:04:57.220 matriarchy. 1.00

02:04:57.960 It's a

02:04:58.120 ginocracy. 0.80

02:04:59.580 Whatever

02:04:59.820 they want

02:05:00.240 they get

02:05:00.660 and men

02:05:01.520 are too

02:05:01.760 frightened

02:05:02.080 to do

02:05:02.700 anything

02:05:02.880 about it.

02:05:04.420 And so

02:05:04.700 what this

02:05:05.020 is is

02:05:05.380 actually

02:05:05.740 very

02:05:05.960 simple.

02:05:07.040 They

02:05:07.460 release the

02:05:08.000 male sex 0.97

02:05:08.380 drive. 0.99

02:05:08.720 You can't

02:05:08.920 put that

02:05:09.160 genie back

02:05:09.580 in the

02:05:09.780 bottle.

02:05:11.160 But I

02:05:11.460 think from

02:05:11.860 the very

02:05:12.160 beginning

02:05:12.560 the notion

02:05:14.280 was to

02:05:14.880 very soon

02:05:15.480 be able to

02:05:16.380 criminalize

02:05:16.820 it and

02:05:17.860 then have

02:05:18.400 men

02:05:18.720 absolutely

02:05:19.120 living in

02:05:19.560 terror.

02:05:20.920 And that's

02:05:21.100 what this

02:05:21.300 comes down

02:05:22.320 to.

02:05:22.460 yeah

02:05:24.380 with the

02:05:25.720 term

02:05:25.900 anarcho

02:05:26.380 tyranny.

02:05:29.000 Yeah I

02:05:29.680 mean in the

02:05:30.020 truest sense

02:05:30.420 that the

02:05:30.880 you know

02:05:32.060 the all

02:05:32.840 restraining

02:05:33.680 forces are

02:05:34.720 released and

02:05:35.640 then once

02:05:36.500 those passions

02:05:37.060 are no longer

02:05:39.480 restrained they're

02:05:40.140 punished for their

02:05:40.700 release.

02:05:41.160 It's really

02:05:42.800 cruel.

02:05:43.440 Very very

02:05:43.900 very cruel

02:05:44.580 and sadistic

02:05:45.120 indeed.

02:05:47.120 It's a double

02:05:47.480 cross.

02:05:48.380 Yes precisely.

02:05:49.320 A cross

02:05:49.580 stooges.

02:05:50.400 Yeah absolutely.

02:05:51.760 I just

02:05:52.200 fashion is

02:05:52.800 becoming less

02:05:54.280 and less

02:05:55.080 modest even

02:05:55.840 today as

02:05:56.220 time goes

02:05:56.540 on.

02:05:56.900 Absolutely.

02:05:57.960 The same

02:05:58.260 fashions that

02:05:58.840 Walmart sells.

02:05:59.940 Indeed.

02:06:00.820 Indeed.

02:06:01.900 So it's almost

02:06:03.200 an obvious

02:06:03.640 statement.

02:06:04.460 Well this is

02:06:04.860 the thing.

02:06:05.240 Every time I

02:06:05.800 come to

02:06:06.040 Caliuga News

02:06:06.680 I find it

02:06:07.260 difficult to

02:06:07.760 articulate what

02:06:08.700 I think are

02:06:09.100 kind of obvious

02:06:09.780 takeaways for

02:06:10.460 stories.

02:06:12.260 But the

02:06:13.560 obvious takeaway

02:06:14.100 is that

02:06:14.580 here is that

02:06:15.960 nothing makes

02:06:18.700 any sense

02:06:19.140 anymore.

02:06:19.620 That the

02:06:20.380 ideological

02:06:21.420 framework,

02:06:21.940 it's devouring

02:06:22.460 itself.

02:06:23.940 It's the

02:06:26.220 Zoroboros.

02:06:27.900 Well let me

02:06:29.660 say that I

02:06:30.360 think I

02:06:33.220 don't think I

02:06:35.080 agree with that

02:06:35.500 entirely because

02:06:36.260 I do believe

02:06:37.260 that this is

02:06:38.700 very coherent

02:06:40.460 and that this

02:06:43.100 has been the

02:06:43.640 ideology all

02:06:44.260 along.

02:06:46.040 But in the

02:06:48.440 old World of

02:06:48.800 Crucian idea 0.96

02:06:49.540 people have to

02:06:50.240 be worked

02:06:51.600 on, have

02:06:52.120 to be

02:06:52.540 refashioned

02:06:53.520 in order to

02:06:53.880 accept certain

02:06:54.440 things.

02:06:55.680 So it's

02:06:55.920 something that

02:06:56.280 has to, you

02:06:57.020 know, you

02:06:57.160 have to work

02:06:57.560 on people

02:06:57.860 over time.

02:07:00.020 You know,

02:07:00.200 marriage,

02:07:00.860 family, or

02:07:01.880 historical

02:07:02.640 entities only.

02:07:04.640 No, I think

02:07:05.020 this is quite

02:07:05.740 coherent and I

02:07:06.860 think this is

02:07:07.340 very much part of

02:07:08.040 the feminist

02:07:08.440 agenda.

02:07:08.840 I meant more

02:07:11.340 to say that

02:07:11.820 there's like a

02:07:14.400 self-cannibalizing

02:07:15.180 aspect to the

02:07:15.960 system, was

02:07:17.140 what I was

02:07:17.540 getting at.

02:07:18.820 In that, of

02:07:19.440 course, I

02:07:19.680 believe that the

02:07:20.260 logos behind

02:07:20.960 why these

02:07:22.020 sort of social

02:07:22.420 realities comes

02:07:23.080 about is

02:07:23.640 coherent in

02:07:25.580 kind of a

02:07:25.980 vampiric sort

02:07:26.540 of way.

02:07:27.220 But the

02:07:27.660 effect of the

02:07:28.740 implementation is

02:07:29.640 that, you

02:07:30.100 know, is

02:07:31.220 cannibalistic.

02:07:34.100 It was what I

02:07:34.520 was talking about.

02:07:34.620 Well, I like the

02:07:35.260 metaphor, yeah, in a

02:07:36.220 vampiric sort of a

02:07:37.000 way.

02:07:37.160 That's an excellent

02:07:37.620 way to put it.

02:07:39.180 The life of a 0.73

02:07:39.920 vampire is quite,

02:07:41.020 you know, from his

02:07:41.580 point of view,

02:07:42.000 quite rational.

02:07:43.540 If you take the

02:07:44.160 facts of his life

02:07:44.920 as given,

02:07:45.840 everything he does

02:07:46.720 is very rational.

02:07:49.640 The swimmer from

02:07:51.500 Stanford, Brock

02:07:54.060 Turner, was

02:07:57.140 something, a

02:07:57.680 story that

02:07:58.300 absolutely blew

02:07:59.180 my mind.

02:08:02.460 I think his

02:08:03.100 last name was

02:08:03.600 Turner.

02:08:03.900 Who am I

02:08:04.080 thinking of here?

02:08:05.400 He's the one who

02:08:06.500 drunkenly gropes

02:08:07.420 some girl. 0.97

02:08:09.880 He was

02:08:10.360 arrested,

02:08:11.080 charged with

02:08:11.400 rape that was 1.00

02:08:11.980 dropped.

02:08:13.520 He was thrown

02:08:13.820 off the sea.

02:08:14.100 He was going to

02:08:14.340 be in the

02:08:14.620 Olympics.

02:08:16.400 And then he

02:08:17.020 went to jail for

02:08:21.760 six months and the

02:08:22.520 feminists were 1.00

02:08:23.160 outraged.

02:08:23.860 They even tried to

02:08:24.360 recall the judge.

02:08:27.420 The point is,

02:08:28.220 is that he and

02:08:30.440 the woman he was

02:08:31.100 with were both

02:08:31.620 drunk, knew each

02:08:33.120 other.

02:08:34.260 She was said to

02:08:34.960 have no agency.

02:08:36.640 He was said to

02:08:37.520 have complete

02:08:38.000 agency.

02:08:40.500 This is why

02:08:41.620 proof of

02:08:43.140 matriarchy is 1.00

02:08:43.820 easy.

02:08:46.240 From stories like

02:08:47.480 this.

02:08:51.380 Brock Turner,

02:08:52.320 that's his name.

02:08:54.240 And the

02:08:55.220 feminists were 1.00

02:08:55.800 going crazy. 0.90

02:08:56.780 I mean, this

02:08:57.000 man, he's

02:08:59.480 destroyed.

02:08:59.880 And I

02:09:01.260 laughed.

02:09:01.680 I said, you

02:09:02.020 know, if he's

02:09:02.660 going to jail

02:09:03.220 for this, then

02:09:05.120 half of the

02:09:05.920 male college

02:09:06.500 population should

02:09:07.300 be in jail.

02:09:09.780 He was the

02:09:10.340 most popular

02:09:10.760 kid in school.

02:09:11.640 He was going to

02:09:11.960 be in the

02:09:12.240 Olympics.

02:09:12.780 Everyone was

02:09:13.180 after him.

02:09:15.140 And the

02:09:15.720 key fact is

02:09:16.600 that they

02:09:17.000 protected the

02:09:17.520 identity of

02:09:19.000 the person who

02:09:19.820 he fondled.

02:09:21.340 And I'm sure 0.97

02:09:21.880 women were 1.00

02:09:22.600 lining up to 0.99

02:09:24.080 be fondled by 0.96

02:09:24.660 this guy. 0.99

02:09:26.820 She says that

02:09:27.700 she was passed

02:09:29.200 out.

02:09:29.880 And doesn't

02:09:30.600 remember any

02:09:31.100 of the event.

02:09:32.460 So how in

02:09:32.840 heaven's name is

02:09:33.940 she traumatized

02:09:34.540 by it?

02:09:36.100 But because we

02:09:36.820 have, we don't

02:09:37.840 know who she

02:09:38.280 is, we can't

02:09:39.820 come to any

02:09:40.300 rational judgment.

02:09:43.640 And it's just

02:09:44.640 the proof of

02:09:46.100 matriarchy here is 1.00

02:09:47.020 just Turner,

02:09:48.460 whose life is

02:09:49.080 over.

02:09:49.960 His face was

02:09:50.560 plastered everywhere

02:09:51.380 for something

02:09:53.440 that, you

02:09:55.480 know, anyone

02:09:55.820 who's even

02:09:56.140 remotely decent

02:09:57.020 looking doesn't

02:09:58.420 call him.

02:09:59.880 drinks and,

02:10:00.800 you know,

02:10:02.260 makes out with

02:10:02.720 the girl.

02:10:03.700 But this is

02:10:04.080 now criminalized.

02:10:05.920 He was a

02:10:06.500 shoo-in for the 0.79

02:10:06.960 Olympics.

02:10:07.500 And of course,

02:10:07.880 the Olympic

02:10:08.140 committee wanted

02:10:08.700 nothing to do

02:10:09.060 with him anymore.

02:10:10.520 He has to

02:10:11.100 register as a

02:10:11.600 sex offender

02:10:12.040 for the rest 0.71

02:10:12.420 of his life.

02:10:13.420 So this kid

02:10:13.880 is put in

02:10:14.220 the same boat

02:10:15.120 as child 0.98

02:10:16.100 rapists. 0.98

02:10:18.340 You know, 0.98

02:10:18.840 at least

02:10:19.100 according to

02:10:19.480 the public,

02:10:20.040 in the public

02:10:20.480 eye.

02:10:21.760 And only

02:10:22.040 getting six

02:10:23.360 months in

02:10:23.740 jail caused

02:10:25.600 extreme protests

02:10:26.720 against Judge

02:10:27.300 Persky, who,

02:10:27.940 sentenced him.

02:10:29.940 And it only

02:10:30.260 served about

02:10:30.660 three months.

02:10:31.780 I still can't

02:10:32.320 figure out what

02:10:32.600 the kid did.

02:10:35.180 I mean, this

02:10:35.860 is pure

02:10:36.460 matriarchy. 1.00

02:10:38.060 They, you know,

02:10:38.780 college is all

02:10:39.340 about this kind

02:10:39.980 of thing, and

02:10:40.900 now they turn

02:10:41.420 around and

02:10:43.040 criminalize it.

02:10:43.820 The attack is

02:10:44.540 on men.

02:10:45.740 It's a way to

02:10:46.540 show female 0.54

02:10:47.440 power and to

02:10:48.560 keep men 0.99

02:10:49.000 continually off

02:10:49.660 balance, having

02:10:50.600 no idea what's

02:10:52.860 accepted and

02:10:53.260 what's not.

02:10:53.620 Well said.

02:10:57.500 All right.

02:10:58.100 I think that

02:10:58.600 we've come to

02:10:59.100 a natural

02:10:59.840 conclusion of

02:11:00.460 Kali Yuga

02:11:00.960 News, so

02:11:01.760 that's the

02:11:02.720 conclusion of

02:11:03.200 the episode.

02:11:04.380 To our

02:11:04.880 listeners, thank

02:11:05.880 you very much

02:11:06.320 for joining

02:11:06.680 us.

02:11:07.320 I'm your

02:11:07.620 host, Florian

02:11:08.500 Geyer.

02:11:09.320 Joining me

02:11:09.760 today I had

02:11:10.420 Dr. Matthew

02:11:11.500 Raphael

02:11:11.900 Johnson as

02:11:12.520 our special

02:11:12.840 guest.

02:11:13.380 Thank you,

02:11:13.760 Father.

02:11:13.940 It was a

02:11:14.420 pleasure, as

02:11:14.960 always.

02:11:16.900 There's

02:11:17.140 something about

02:11:17.540 this show.

02:11:18.340 You bring out

02:11:18.740 the best in

02:11:19.180 me.

02:11:19.380 I mean, we

02:11:19.600 were kind of

02:11:19.920 all over the

02:11:20.300 place today

02:11:20.780 because the

02:11:21.060 topic was so

02:11:21.760 huge.

02:11:22.360 but I'm

02:11:24.560 not sure what

02:11:24.920 it is, but

02:11:25.520 you and the

02:11:26.020 other panel

02:11:26.580 usually have.

02:11:27.840 You bring out

02:11:28.380 the best to

02:11:28.780 me, and I

02:11:29.040 really appreciate

02:11:29.480 that.

02:11:30.800 Well, I

02:11:31.260 guess it's

02:11:31.560 that

02:11:31.820 subordinost.

02:11:33.160 Anyway, to

02:11:33.720 our listeners,

02:11:35.300 again, thank

02:11:35.760 you for

02:11:35.960 joining us,

02:11:36.960 and shalom.

02:11:37.460 Shalom.

02:11:37.560 We sing

02:11:42.780 des Geiers

02:11:43.760 schwarzer

02:11:44.320 Haufen

02:11:45.660 und wollen

02:11:51.080 mit

02:11:51.400 Tyrannen

02:11:52.440 raufen

02:11:53.960 aus.

02:11:54.960 Hei 0.58

02:11:55.700 ja

02:11:56.100 ho 0.81

02:11:56.840 ho 0.81

02:11:57.360 spieß

02:11:59.660 voran

02:12:00.300 drauf und

02:12:01.820 dran

02:12:02.280 setzt aufs

02:12:03.520 fluster

02:12:03.900 dach

02:12:04.300 den

02:12:04.840 roten

02:12:05.860 an

02:12:06.500 spieß

02:12:07.720 voran

02:12:08.460 drauf und

02:12:09.880 dran

02:12:10.340 setzt aufs

02:12:11.580 fluster

02:12:11.920 dach

02:12:12.360 den

02:12:12.940 roten

02:12:13.900 an

02:12:14.580 spieß

02:12:19.340 voran

02:12:20.340 und

02:12:21.220 eva

02:12:22.220 spann

02:12:22.700 Kyrie

02:12:24.620 leis

02:12:26.000 wo

02:12:27.320 war

02:12:28.060 denn

02:12:28.440 da

02:12:28.980 der

02:12:29.520 edel

02:12:30.460 man

02:12:30.920 Kyrie

02:12:32.840 leis

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02:12:38.160 und

02:12:38.620 dran

02:12:39.060 setzt

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02:12:40.280 fluster

02:12:40.660 dach

02:12:41.100 den

02:12:41.660 roten

02:12:42.620 an

02:12:43.240 spieß

02:12:44.520 voran

02:12:45.180 drauf

02:12:46.220 und

02:12:46.640 ran

02:12:47.100 setzt

02:12:48.060 aufs

02:12:48.340 fluster

02:12:48.640 dach

02:12:49.080 den

02:12:49.620 roten

02:12:50.640 an

02:12:51.300 uns

02:12:55.800 führt

02:12:56.580 der

02:12:56.840 Florian

02:12:57.760 Geier

02:12:58.860 an

02:12:59.300 trotz

02:13:00.520 Acht

02:13:01.540 und

02:13:01.980 Mann

02:13:02.320 den

02:13:03.940 Bunch

02:13:04.520 Schuh

02:13:04.960 führt

02:13:05.540 er

02:13:05.960 in

02:13:06.440 der

02:13:06.900 Fahn

02:13:07.520 hat 0.56

02:13:08.100 hell 0.69

02:13:08.460 und

02:13:09.080 arm

02:13:09.860 ist

02:13:10.060 an

02:13:10.460 spieß

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02:13:13.580 drauf

02:13:14.580 und

02:13:14.980 ran

02:13:15.420 setzt

02:13:16.380 aufs

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02:13:19.580 spieß

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02:13:22.580 und

02:13:23.020 ran

02:13:23.500 setzt

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02:13:27.720 bei

02:13:32.160 weins

02:13:33.020 versetzt

02:13:33.720 es

02:13:34.180 brand

02:13:34.760 und

02:13:35.340 schank

02:13:35.800 hei

02:13:37.440 ja

02:13:37.940 oh

02:13:38.440 gar

02:13:40.400 mancher

02:13:41.320 über

02:13:41.940 die

02:13:42.400 linke 1.00

02:13:43.220 sprang

02:13:43.900 hei

02:13:45.520 ja

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02:13:57.300 voran

02:13:58.080 drauf

02:13:59.000 und

02:13:59.460 ran

02:13:59.980 setzt

02:14:00.840 aufs

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02:14:03.460 arm

02:14:04.160 geschlagen 0.89

02:14:09.520 ziehen

02:14:10.520 wir

02:14:11.460 nach

02:14:11.800 aus

02:14:12.300 hei

02:14:13.860 ja

02:14:14.400 oh

02:14:14.900 unsere

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02:14:17.720 fechten

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02:14:52.880 to

02:14:53.360 the

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Mysterium Fasces - December 02, 2023

Mysterium Fasces Episode 49 — Orthodoxy + The West

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