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00:03:51.140 Mysterium Fashies, Episode 50, Nihilism.

00:03:54.680 I'm your host, Florian Geyer.

00:03:56.480 It's a pleasure to be joining you once again, dear listeners, for another episode of Mysterium.

00:04:01.280 Now, we're going to be addressing a topic today that's long overdue.

00:04:04.400 And with me, I've got a guest that I've been trying to get on the show for a while,

00:04:07.380 but I'm glad now that he can join us.

00:04:08.960 That's Hunter Wallace or Brad Griffin,

00:04:11.620 depending on the nom de guerre of Occidental dissent in the League of the South.

00:04:16.280 So thanks, Hunter, for coming on. It's a real pleasure.

00:04:19.520 Oh, thanks for having me, Florian.

00:04:20.780 I've been wanting to come on for a while now.

00:04:23.160 I've only got my tech issues or down.

00:04:25.160 That's it. Yeah, the perennial and difficult plague, for sure.

00:04:29.240 So, yeah, so obviously to all of our listeners as well,

00:04:34.540 Happy Pascha and Happy Easter.

00:04:36.420 I hope it was all blessed for you and you were able to spend the time with your families and so on.

00:04:42.060 So I also wanted to apologize for the lack of regularity of production of these podcasts,

00:04:47.760 and that's going to continue for the next couple of weeks,

00:04:49.540 but hopefully after that we can get into something a little bit more stable.

00:04:54.300 So today we are going to be talking about, as the show title intimates, nihilism.

00:05:01.460 Now there's many, many different directions that we can take with this,

00:05:04.260 but I figured that it would be probably the most useful kind of to open up

00:05:08.140 with talking about what exactly nihilism is and how most people come into contact with it.

00:05:15.540 Okay.

00:05:16.300 Yeah.

00:05:17.440 And so, you know, nihilism is formally speaking belief in the lack of anything,

00:05:24.520 or nihil means nothing or the abrogation of existence.

00:05:28.140 And then ism, obviously, is the philosophy.

00:05:30.980 And so it's the idea that life itself has no inherent meaning,

00:05:34.820 or there are no inherent intrinsic goals to life.

00:05:39.640 Now, obviously there are many different kind of forms which this can take.

00:05:43.980 People have all of their kind of individualized, nihilistic coping mechanisms,

00:05:49.560 which we're going to get into later.

00:05:50.600 And I would contend very seriously that nobody is actually nihilistic.

00:05:54.460 Everybody leads their lives with certain purposes and goals and ends in mind.

00:05:59.160 But this is what the claim of nihilist is, essentially,

00:06:02.520 is that there is no inherent meaning to the universe outside of oneself.

00:06:06.720 And some will even deny this.

00:06:08.080 And thus, universal meaning is impossible, and there is only relativity.

00:06:14.940 This worldview should probably be very familiar to most of you who are listening to this podcast,

00:06:18.880 because this idea, this reign of relativity, is essentially the dominant worldview of the West today.

00:06:28.620 It has completely embraced and succumbed to nihilism by the long onslaught of liberalism.

00:06:36.320 So, do you have any open statements you'd like to make on this, Hunter?

00:06:40.100 I'm sure you've got loads of thoughts here on the big topic.

00:06:43.800 I think you pretty much summed it up there.

00:06:45.520 If I had to describe nihilism, well, formally, it's the belief in nothing.

00:06:51.740 But, like you said, we all live our lives with goals and purposes in mind.

00:06:57.920 It's just that, if I could characterize it, it's more popularly...

00:07:02.380 The popular version is the belief that there's no transcendental order.

00:07:07.960 You know, morality is ultimately basis.

00:07:11.260 It's a matter of opinion.

00:07:14.500 And that you should be free to live your life, I mean, however you see fit.

00:07:21.260 Because, you know, morality can't be rationally justified and is baseless.

00:07:26.840 And we've kind of internal...

00:07:29.500 I mean, you know, this was like a...

00:07:33.560 If you go back to the 19th century, when we first started discussing the rise in nihilism,

00:07:39.800 I mean, it was diagnosed as a condition that was, you know, in the future.

00:07:45.540 It's happening now, most famously by Nietzsche.

00:07:50.100 But, I mean, there was other things like that.

00:07:53.120 For example, there used to be a concept called free love, right?

00:07:57.080 And free love is the idea that, you know, people should be able to act on any impulse whatsoever.

00:08:03.500 You know, have sex with whoever they want. 1.00

00:08:05.100 Whenever they want, there is nothing sinful about it.

00:08:08.700 And it just goes to show, I mean, that is what was, you know, considered a radical idea in the 19th century.

00:08:15.140 In the course of the 20th century, you know, became completely internalized into our culture.

00:08:20.000 To where it's the dominant thing now.

00:08:23.500 It's the mainstream.

00:08:24.100 And we don't even recognize it anymore.

00:08:26.660 It's the culture that surrounds us.

00:08:29.320 And as far as this touches upon our movement, I mean, you have a lot of people coming from an irreligious background who, you know, were born in, like, say, a suburb who never had anything resembling a religious education, a moral education.

00:08:47.040 And, you know, that's had a huge impact on, you know, the alt-right and increasingly, you know, on white nationalism amongst the younger generations.

00:08:57.440 They don't have, like, a, you know, they can't, like, explain what morality is.

00:09:03.520 And they don't feel bound by it, is how I put it.

00:09:06.340 Yeah, that's bang on.

00:09:07.740 And so that's what it comes back to, is that under nihilism, there's essentially the legitimation of all opinions that are useful to the paradigm of whoever's setting the language.

00:09:18.180 And we're going to get into this later on.

00:09:20.080 We've talked about this a lot on Mysterium Fascics before.

00:09:21.940 But the thing about worldviews is, and this is central to the idea of nihilism, is that whether or not you are aware of having a worldview, you have one.

00:09:32.920 And we talked about this in philosophy, in an episode we did recently on philosophy, is that the very nature of life is that there's the assumption that your existence has meaning.

00:09:44.980 You have to move day to day as if, you know, your words and your thoughts and, you know, your memory over time has some sort of coherent hold to it or, you know, or else it just devolves into absurdity, which is what nihilism is.

00:10:01.620 And so the problem with this is that many people can embrace nihilism wholly or in part without actually confessing it, you know, without saying, I am God or there's nothing, nothing is real.

00:10:10.660 And act upon nihilistic presuppositions without really understanding that that's what they believe and how they think.

00:10:18.660 And so this has always been what Mysterium Fascics has been trying to do is to point this out to people in these different elements of the worldview, which many times are just presupposed, just assumed.

00:10:30.560 And they act based in extremely complicated, long-term fashions based on these presuppositions, which elaborate themselves disastrously over time.

00:10:41.780 So I think, yeah, you're banging on there, Hunter, is that the big problem is the reason why nihilism is so important now is because it's just, it's so, you know, we're steeped in it, we're died in it from the very moment of our conception, unless you're raised in kind of a radically non-mainstream household.

00:10:55.620 So, I mean, a common refrain you hear these days is that, you know, my life is meaningless.

00:11:01.740 I don't have anything to live for.

00:11:04.040 And that's, you know, not kind of like a nihilistic view that it's just been, and we have extremely high suicide rates.

00:11:12.200 The suicide rate, especially for young white males, continues to increase as whatever was, you know, left of our traditional culture continues to evaporate.

00:11:22.860 And people are raised without any sort of guidance in our society.

00:11:29.200 It's, they've, if I could describe it, they've been liberated from our culture and our culture is eroded.

00:11:36.360 And now these people are just adrift.

00:11:40.000 And, of course, you know, like you were saying, everyone, you know, human behavior is, is naturally goal oriented, right?

00:11:50.940 So, I mean, and everyone who says, you know, I mean, you can't avoid having a world, a worldview.

00:11:58.420 You have to, you interpret, you know, you have to have some kind of framework to interpret your actions, even if it is a poorly conceived one.

00:12:05.660 And, but yeah, but yeah, like the main thing like that, you know, triggered this, this whole thing is just, at least on my website, the reason I started talking about it is because, you know, I would notice how things I took for, for granted.

00:12:25.380 Like, um, I would see someone in action and I would see a person and they would be exhibiting, as far as, you know, I was concerned, courage or bravery, which is a moral virtue, one of the most important moral virtues.

00:12:40.700 And these other guys, you know, would see that and, you know, they would, would not even grasp any moral dimension to the, um, to the action.

00:12:50.840 They would interpret it solely in terms of optics or something.

00:12:55.980 And then it just struck me is like how obsessed these people were with appearances, as opposed to being completely devoid seemingly of, you know, any moral understanding of behavior.

00:13:10.700 And then, and that's why, you know, I started writing about it because, you know, I really do think the, all, at least as far as the alt-right goes, maybe not, um, some of the older white nationalists, the broader white nationalist movement, you know, lacks, I mean, tellingly lacks a moral framework.

00:13:28.140 Bang on.

00:13:29.400 And this is what, uh, we've described in this over and over, racist liberalism.

00:13:33.440 Uh, and we use this term because these people, um, are liberals in the sense that they don't have a transcendental worldview.

00:13:40.600 And they accept the presuppositions of the Enlightenment, which are essentially, uh, universe dominated by mechanism, cause and effect in the tyranny of concentrated power.

00:13:51.220 Yeah.

00:13:52.260 And so, um, they take these presuppositions, uh, and the big problem that we run into, of course, is, you, you point out rightly, is that, that this worldview, uh, is alienating in its, uh, self-destructive.

00:14:02.940 It's Zoroboros, you know, to use the, the occult understanding.

00:14:06.780 And so, as it devours itself and hollows out the social capital from its, um, predominant functionary class, that is to say white males, it's necessary for it to, to continue. 0.72

00:14:16.700 Of course, they become alienated, you know, if nothing is real, nothing's true.

00:14:21.140 And indeed, this nothingness is to be, uh, enjoyed or, or savored in kind of this, um, spark and fire of, you know, hedonistic passion.

00:14:30.500 And then you die.

00:14:31.860 I mean, it, it, you can begin to see why young men begin to feel hopeless.

00:14:36.620 And the difficulty is, uh, with the far right, there's been this kind of explosion of movement and energy in the last couple of years, as this latest generation of disaffected youth is rebelling from this system and rebuking the, the titan, which is, you know, crushing the life from their soul.

00:14:53.760 But the difficulty is that as so many reactionary movements are, it is reactionary, uh, an unprincipled reaction.

00:15:01.620 It's just based on, on going to the opposite extreme or cleaving onto, um, the vestiges of what they can make out to be something as, as wholesome and, and real.

00:15:12.380 As something that brings them meaning above themselves, transcendental meaning.

00:15:15.820 And so for most people are in worst, not for most people, but people in the racist liberal faction, this becomes, uh, you know, identitarianism or white nationalism, whatever term you want to call in group politics, which is certainly, obviously this is a nationalized podcast.

00:15:30.340 We're not getting that in the slightest.

00:15:32.860 Um, but that's where it stops, unfortunately.

00:15:36.660 Yeah.

00:15:37.220 I get, I get the sense that they, um, you know, what passes for morality these days is a bunch of, you know, pretty much just, you know,

00:15:45.800 ginned up, made up bogus sins, which didn't even exist a century ago.

00:15:50.880 The first one was racism and now there's sexism and nativism and, um, homophobia and transphobia and all the, all these moral failings, which are, you know, just transparently made up.

00:16:03.960 And I mean, they're not rationalized.

00:16:06.460 They're just drummed into you.

00:16:08.580 I mean, you, you're, it's, it's more, this is what's called morality because it's what you're supposed to believe. 0.87

00:16:14.180 And if you don't, then, you know, you're a terribly immoral, hateful, um, person.

00:16:21.540 There's, there's no argument made to justify these beliefs. 0.94

00:16:24.600 It's just, you know, bullying.

00:16:26.500 And, and it's, it is, this sort of thing has become, you know, more and more and more explicitly anti-white.

00:16:32.400 I think that a lot of these guys are coming from the very, I would say, um, irreligious background, a very maybe deracinated suburban background who were isolated, who meet each other on anonymous internet forums, you know, have kind of rejected.

00:16:52.300 They've, they've rejected that, but they don't, they don't really know what to replace it with.

00:17:00.160 Um, and so they just kind of act on, you know, their impulses, their emotions, their, their, their resentments.

00:17:07.200 Um, because, you know, they're kind of nihilistic in my view.

00:17:11.860 And I mean, there's a whole, we can get, we can get into the, um, the whole story of that.

00:17:17.440 And I can talk about my personal kind of transition of the last 17 years.

00:17:24.420 I kind of came from a similar place, um, growing up, but I, I grew out of it.

00:17:30.260 Um, I found a way out of it.

00:17:32.980 So, um, yeah, sure.

00:17:35.280 Talk about that.

00:17:36.400 Please.

00:17:36.700 Why not?

00:17:37.040 Oh, okay.

00:17:39.120 Well, you know, growing up in my youth, you know, I was raised as a Methodist, but I was

00:17:44.040 kind of instantly alienated, uh, from that.

00:17:48.500 My father was always, you know, very much into biology and what, what I would go, you know,

00:17:56.540 when I was a kid, I would go hunt dinosaur bones and stuff.

00:17:59.160 So I knew, you know, all about like the age of the world.

00:18:02.060 I was all into Darwinism and, um, evolution and stuff.

00:18:09.600 And, you know, I was kind of like these kids when, you know, I came of, came of age and

00:18:13.100 around my early, late teens, early twenties, I was started out, you know, kind of grasping

00:18:19.520 and searching for worldview.

00:18:20.680 And I instantly rebelled against this, um, politically correct, um, culture, which I just

00:18:29.540 found to be baseless.

00:18:31.680 I mean, this idea that just to say that, um, race, to say that, to say that racial differences

00:18:38.460 exist and blacks might not be equal in every respect to whites, um, that's considered a moral,

00:18:47.560 well, that's considered racism, but that, but, you know, that also conflicts with, you

00:18:52.240 know, my sense of honesty, right?

00:18:55.820 Honesty, you know, was a moral virtue and, you know, I couldn't make sense.

00:19:00.860 Well, you know, we're supposed to be truthful about things.

00:19:04.900 Um, I kind of, I kind of, I kind of had it like an intuitive, uh, a basic intuitive sense

00:19:09.840 of what was right and what was wrong, even though I couldn't articulate it.

00:19:13.560 Um, and honestly, you know, I, I just, I couldn't, I couldn't reconcile, okay, well, they're

00:19:19.920 saying, you know, racism is a moral, I'm being taught this and to do, to, to say that it's

00:19:25.880 a moral and to say it's not true is to deny the evidence, to be a dishonest, uh, person.

00:19:32.620 And I just couldn't reconcile that.

00:19:34.920 And, and of course, I think the first thing I got into was, um, Nietzsche around my early

00:19:42.800 twenties in college.

00:19:44.100 I, you know, I found his books and for years, um, read into that.

00:19:49.620 And from there I read, you know, a lot of Heidegger and, uh, Foucault and I read, you

00:19:57.040 know, a lot of classical philosophy too, you know, Aristotle, Plato, but, um, you know, I,

00:20:04.920 you, you read Nietzsche and, you know, he talks clearly about, you know, how moral sentiments

00:20:09.540 have evolved over history and how there's, uh, a number of different, um, moral traditions

00:20:17.320 and what was, you know, the, the, the morality of, you know, his time was also very specific

00:20:23.620 to his own culture and wasn't universal.

00:20:27.100 And there's, and there's a lot of truth to that, but, you know, I didn't think Nietzsche

00:20:29.520 really, I mean, he didn't, he didn't, he was, he was better at criticizing, um, you

00:20:37.800 know, what he was against than he was in advocating, uh, solutions.

00:20:41.880 And so always, like I said in the article, like, you know, you always had like some lingering

00:20:47.340 sense of right and wrong.

00:20:49.600 Um, you could recognize a moral action, even though you couldn't explain why it was moral

00:20:57.300 or immoral.

00:20:58.740 And eventually, you know, I was into philosophy.

00:21:02.140 This is early on in my internet career, the first five years from like 2002 to 2007.

00:21:09.320 And I came across a book by a Scottish philosopher named Alistair MacIntyre.

00:21:14.720 The name of the book was After Virtue and it's, and I recently reread the book and, um, uh,

00:21:22.940 posted a little brief review of it on my website.

00:21:25.100 I want people to read it.

00:21:27.460 And MacIntyre talks in the, in the, it's a huge historical arc of how, you know, morality

00:21:34.440 was one thing in antiquity and the middle ages.

00:21:37.820 And then as we get into the modern era, um, starts becoming unglued and then it suffers

00:21:45.160 a, what he describes as, you know, a catastrophe during the scientific revolution when any, when

00:21:51.220 anything, you know, resembling Aristotelian teleology was discredited and modern philosophers

00:21:58.560 tried to build, you know, modern philosophy without teleology, um, that would kind of mirror

00:22:05.060 the progress, the natural sciences.

00:22:06.820 And that project as MacIntyre eloquently described in his book was a failure.

00:22:12.780 I mean, it was a total failure and that led to the condition, the perception that morality

00:22:19.260 was a choice.

00:22:22.520 And from there, you know, we get to, we start getting into nihilism where the commonly held

00:22:28.120 view today is morality as a matter of personal opinion, except for, you know, the, the things

00:22:34.160 we're, it's, it's strange.

00:22:35.680 We, uh, morality is a matter of personal opinion, except for like, you know, racism, sexism,

00:22:42.660 nativism, and all these other isms, which we're absolutely supposed to believe in or else.

00:22:48.240 And it kind of brings us to where we are today and people are rejecting that.

00:22:52.100 And so morality used to be like rational.

00:22:57.900 Uh, it was directed towards ends and, um, virtues were things that allowed you to move towards

00:23:05.300 those ends and to become a good person and a happy person.

00:23:09.620 And we've kind of lost touch with that today.

00:23:13.660 And that's kind of brought us to our present state.

00:23:16.980 Yeah, absolutely.

00:23:17.720 And I think that you touch on, that's the, uh, that's the critical goal of nihilism is

00:23:22.980 the, is war against telos, against end.

00:23:26.060 Um, and we've talked again on the show about telos, but the idea of, uh, of telos in Greek

00:23:32.860 philosophical thought, for those of you who are not familiar with it is not just, um, the

00:23:37.940 purpose, but there's a, uh, of something, but it's the notion that there is a grand narrative

00:23:43.920 and reason for all things that exist within the universe and that it's not dominated by

00:23:48.960 flux, uh, and constant evolution, but rather it has, uh, in and of itself an integral order

00:23:55.000 that everything within it participates in a logos, right?

00:23:59.680 Uh, cosmic order, as we've talked about so many times before on this program.

00:24:04.180 And so the, with liberalism, right, that you're talking about, uh, what it does is it introduces

00:24:10.120 this concept of, uh, kind of moral egalitarianism where one thing is just as good as another.

00:24:17.020 One choice is just as good as another.

00:24:18.920 There's not a moral distinction that's made in reference to an overarching, uh, nomos or

00:24:23.920 a law, which is based on telos.

00:24:26.560 Um, but rather, uh, it's based on one of two categories, the ego and its relationship to

00:24:33.320 the actions that are being undertaken, um, and, uh, utility, pragmatism, which is usually

00:24:39.120 defined as having some relationship towards the satisfaction of the ego, uh, on a mass

00:24:43.240 level.

00:24:44.260 And so the, this, this worldview is perfectly capable of being supported by, you know, the

00:24:51.180 products of, you know, the scientific method of empiricism and of, you know, um, kind of

00:24:57.040 raw, um, you know, uh, Newtonian inertia applied to intercontinental trade, you know, late

00:25:05.900 stage, uh, liberal neo-capitalism.

00:25:07.860 They go hand in hand because they, they both prioritize, uh, and exalt the, uh, accumulation

00:25:14.600 of wealth and scientific knowledge of power and force for its own sake.

00:25:18.460 And ultimately what that is, is for, um, pragmatic ends and for the satisfaction of the ego.

00:25:24.200 And this is just everywhere.

00:25:25.420 This is the, this is the mainstream assumption in everyday life.

00:25:27.940 And, and it's so deeply ingrained in people's, uh, mentality and worldview and lifestyle that,

00:25:33.880 that there's not even a need to articulate or to explain or to express it.

00:25:37.980 And the great difficulty is that if you want to react and you want to rebel against the

00:25:41.880 system, which inculcates such an attitude, you yourself must be purged of that attitude

00:25:47.140 before you can be successful.

00:25:48.580 And that requires a very conscious investigation of the contents of your worldview.

00:25:52.740 And that's why we are such, uh, fervent Christians here, the whole point is because if you're

00:26:00.160 going to reject nihilism and you're going to embrace meaning and transcendental existence,

00:26:04.160 then you actually need to have a coherent system of, uh, philosophy and all, and theology

00:26:10.500 upon which to base your worldview.

00:26:12.580 Uh, or very quickly you'll, you'll run into just, uh, it just comes back to nihilism basically.

00:26:17.980 Um, yeah, um, you'll try to substitute for your lack of coherent worldview with, you know,

00:26:24.020 living a life of hedonism and stimulation that leaves you, um, feeling empty.

00:26:29.860 Well, you know, as McIntyre describes in his book, and I've actually been rereading, uh,

00:26:35.160 Aristotle's ethics for the first time in many years, um, you know, Aristotle, you know,

00:26:41.220 like you were saying, like, um, you know, the Greeks believed that there was an order to

00:26:44.720 the universe and Aristotle, you know, key assumption is that, you know, man, you know,

00:26:49.620 has a function, right?

00:26:52.000 And once you, you know, you can grasp that function in that end, then you can discern

00:26:57.700 like, um, what are the, you know, the virtues that allow you to orient your life towards,

00:27:03.560 um, that end.

00:27:05.080 And, you know, from what I read, you know, of Aristotle, I was just reading it the other

00:27:08.180 day, you know, Aristotle's idea was that, um,

00:27:12.240 what did he say?

00:27:15.240 I think he said, um, the highest good was, um, living a lot, living a life, um, or a life

00:27:22.480 of virtue in accordance with the rational part of the soul.

00:27:27.560 And, you know, the highest, the highest good was, you know, something that wasn't, um, a

00:27:32.700 means to another, uh, another gateway to another good.

00:27:35.840 For example, wealth wasn't the highest good because we seek wealth in order to, um, be

00:27:43.920 happy.

00:27:45.060 Uh, honor wasn't the highest good because we seek honor, um, to be happy in life.

00:27:53.060 Um, there's also, uh, we don't, we, we seek, um, pleasure, you know, in order to, or we

00:28:00.920 need, or you're having a family.

00:28:02.620 I mean, you're trying to be happy.

00:28:05.040 You're trying to reach this higher order good is, is how, you know, he argued it and, you

00:28:12.880 know, socially, you know, um, in terms of morality is, is, you know, as Aristotle described

00:28:19.220 it, is that these are things that, you know, people, not, not just like, no, but like practice

00:28:24.820 together as a community.

00:28:26.620 It's, it's very much tied to action.

00:28:30.000 Like for example, um, of course, if everyone in a, you know, society is a coward, that society

00:28:37.960 can't sustain itself.

00:28:39.920 So cowardice is, you know, objectively bad.

00:28:43.280 And, you know, he taught, he talks at length about this.

00:28:48.040 And so we kind of drifted away from that moral tradition and we tried to, like you said, um,

00:28:56.640 replace it.

00:28:58.160 We, we, we, we, we got, we, we tried to preserve Christian morality, uh, Christian, um, classical

00:29:05.440 morality.

00:29:06.140 And we tried to put it on a, um, a naturalistic basis.

00:29:10.060 And in the process, we lost the, you know, the, the teleology of it that made it sent,

00:29:15.080 made, made the whole scheme, moral scheme, um, make sense.

00:29:18.800 And that's how, you know, when people stopped believing in that and the various, you know,

00:29:24.420 substitutes failed, that's how we got to nihilism.

00:29:29.840 Absolutely.

00:29:31.040 And I would say theologically, this, uh, makes total sense because it's right in the first

00:29:36.140 chapter of the gospel of John, uh, that Christ is the word.

00:29:39.740 He is the logos.

00:29:41.120 And so you cannot divorce his order and his logic and all of that, that is entailed in

00:29:47.580 his person.

00:29:48.340 For he says he is the way, the truth, and the life.

00:29:51.260 He himself being the ultimate form of the good and of the truth and of the transcendent reality,

00:29:56.480 which we should strive towards.

00:29:57.580 You cannot divorce his person as a man, uh, and a God, Jesus Christ, from the reality

00:30:04.360 of that civilizational experience, uh, as it's been lived over the last 1500 years of

00:30:09.000 our, uh, society.

00:30:11.360 This, and so this is basically, uh, and this is a huge problem that I run into all the time

00:30:17.380 is the, you know, morality as utility and theology as utility.

00:30:23.500 And so this is the people, people are trying to get, you know, the benefits of a Christian 0.99

00:30:29.280 society where they recognize that religion is kind of a cohesive, uh, integrating force

00:30:35.100 that provides this logos for civilization, but they don't actually want to submit to, um,

00:30:41.880 heartfelt faith and to, uh, engagement with this reality in truth rather than in irony.

00:30:48.660 And I think this is a very, uh, typical symptom of postmodernism.

00:30:53.500 Um, yeah, um, it makes a lot, it makes a lot of sense.

00:30:58.500 Um, one thing, you know, like, you know, from what I've read and I've been able to interpret

00:31:03.960 is that the very, the very bedrock, um, of a culture of a civilization is the, the stories,

00:31:12.600 you know, that people tell.

00:31:15.300 And even before, you know, before, you know, literacy, you know, we were a, a, a storytelling

00:31:20.880 people and these stories, you know, often had, you know, a moral point, a moral purpose.

00:31:27.440 And we've kind of like, um, we don't, we don't really transmit that anymore.

00:31:33.900 Like, uh, uh, a cohesive culture would be, you know, would have like a common set of stories

00:31:40.060 and beliefs and values that would be transmitted, um, through that.

00:31:45.700 And what liberalism is, is it kind of, you know, first of all, it strips, strips away

00:31:52.180 the authority of our culture.

00:31:54.460 And then it kind of divides the, um, individual from his culture by, you know, making up the 0.97

00:32:02.400 story that he was born in a state of nature or, or something like that.

00:32:08.060 And magically at some point, which is completely does, doesn't make any sense and, um, never

00:32:13.980 historically existed, exchanged his rights for, um, you know, the protection of civil

00:32:21.820 society is, these are just stories that people, um, it's an origin story that, you know, liberals

00:32:27.560 tell each other and it's not one, um, that's based in fact, but like what's happened to our

00:32:33.540 culture as a result of going on two centuries of liberalism, you can see like a steady, you

00:32:40.920 know, as I've written about endlessly on Occidental descent, you see this, this steady loss of,

00:32:47.420 of cohesion, like, like the founders day, the founders of the American Republic, um, there

00:32:56.260 was a lot of stored social capital that was built up, but that's been dwindled down over

00:33:02.040 the last two centuries as these ideas of freedom and equality and tolerance and individualism

00:33:09.920 and rights.

00:33:10.680 It's kind of like pride, everything apart and displace the content of our culture.

00:33:17.840 It's, um, it's, I think, I think his, I think his name is Patrick Dean and he's written a book

00:33:23.180 about this recently and I think he, I think he called it an anti-culture and as this pretty,

00:33:28.920 um, a pretty good description of what it is, we're growing up in this anti-culture, we don't

00:33:35.180 have like a, a common bedrock or a common source of authority and that's de-racinated people 0.99

00:33:45.660 and it stripped them of their culture and it set them adrift and they have to make way

00:33:52.060 and the way they make way through life is just by indulging, you know, their appetites

00:33:57.440 and their, and their pleasures and, you know, as the Greeks would have been the first to

00:34:02.040 point out, it makes them a lower, a lower type of person, um, you know, to live a life

00:34:08.620 of, of pleasure seeking was, you know, to satisfy the belly, which is, you know, the lowest

00:34:13.620 part of the soul. So, yeah, absolutely. And this is what happens. I would say that nihilism is

00:34:22.020 actually a perennial issue. I mean, and it's just that, um, the embrace of nihilism is the embrace

00:34:28.460 of death and that in the rest of our civil, in the rest of the civilizations that have ever existed,

00:34:33.920 those that have survived, survived because they embrace life in some form or another, however,

00:34:39.200 imperfectly and a philosophical and theological worldview, which is conducted to the sustenance

00:34:44.680 and maintenance of life itself. Um, that is how they are alive. Whereas, uh, nihilism comes from

00:34:51.860 man and man's social encounter with death, uh, because death, uh, acts as an, and this is basically

00:35:00.220 the argument that nihilists will give, and they are actually pretty decent, uh, if you, if you're

00:35:03.880 a materialist is that, well, death just, it's the culmination of everything. And, uh, if all you are

00:35:10.720 is your ego, and when you go to death, that's extinguished, then all of your functions and actions in

00:35:16.580 life are ultimately for naught. There's no, there's no transcendence, uh, in that worldview. And so one is

00:35:23.460 basically left to pursue the satisfaction of his own passion, whether that's through, you know, base

00:35:29.300 hedonism, uh, you know, of the more kind of bacchanalian, Dionysian variety, or that's an attempt to,

00:35:36.040 um, you know, kind of construct one's own grand narrative in relation to their ego in a Nietzschean

00:35:41.660 fashion. And, and by empowering this construct of their ego as the ubermensch, they find delight in

00:35:48.740 the, you know, passing transcendence that's offered by the exercise of their will from on high.

00:35:53.720 Uh, both of which are extremely common, uh, in, uh, our circles, unfortunately, and in, and in

00:36:00.580 society. Well, it's, it's a worldview that leads to, um, inevitably leads to moral collapse and,

00:36:07.820 you know, religious collapse and civilizational death in the longterm. Uh, it's, it's unsustainable,

00:36:14.960 right. Um, you have people like who, who do not, um, I mean, they, they don't, they don't have no

00:36:24.400 out. How would I put this? Um, wasn't it Plato? Like you said, you know, the spirit was like a part

00:36:31.000 of a soul, a soul thing, the thymus or I think that's what he called it. And people don't have,

00:36:38.320 people have been, you know, stripped of that. It seems, or, or they, or they've allowed it, you know,

00:36:42.880 to be repressed in themselves. They don't have the, I mean, an animal is sick when it, you know,

00:36:49.240 lacks the, the basic instinct to preserve its own, to take its own side, to, you know, procreate

00:36:57.400 itself. And we, we can't even, um, we can't even do that because mainly because of what's happened

00:37:04.700 with, um, our culture and this, you know, how liberalism has put down deeper and deeper and

00:37:12.640 deeper and deeper roots over the centuries. I mean, it's only, it's only been within the

00:37:17.300 last, well, I shouldn't say with the last 50 years, but then the last hundred years that

00:37:23.100 it's managed to completely invade and destroy the family. I mean, there was for a long time

00:37:29.240 there, it was kept at bay from institutions, um, like, you know, the church or, um, the family

00:37:37.140 or relationships between men and women before it went in there and absolutely, uh, sowed

00:37:43.840 chaos. And so, I mean, we're, we're, we're in the process of social collapse because we're

00:37:49.460 not, um, living our lives in a way that, you know, makes our civilization sustainable.

00:37:55.980 We are dying out as a people. Um, we don't have, like you said, we don't have a set of values

00:38:04.420 that can sustain things anymore. And that's just the inevitable outcome of this worldview.

00:38:09.880 I'm wondering, I know that, you know, Hey, are you there in some fashion?

00:38:22.620 Sorry, could you just, uh, go ahead and repeat what you just said? You just cut out there

00:38:26.020 when you, when you just began? Oh, I had a, I had a phone call. Um, but I, you know,

00:38:32.520 I was describing that, you know, liberalism is ultimately, um, leads to, um, civilizational

00:38:38.340 collapse because it, you know, it takes away the things that, you know, make the civilization

00:38:44.880 sustainable. Like, you know, the family, for example, just basic procreation, um, a desire

00:38:51.260 to, um, or living your life in accordance with higher values than, you know, just appetite

00:38:56.860 and inevitably, you know, it's going to put, so is this, I mean, we're already seeing it

00:39:03.520 in a lot of countries where like the average age is reached some insane level in Europe.

00:39:09.540 And, you know, the, the birth rate is half of even half of what this, uh, replacement rate

00:39:15.860 and, you know, migrants are just pouring in. I mean, it's this, the strain of it is going 1.00

00:39:21.180 to break at some point and we've got to, you know, be able to replace that and somehow

00:39:27.380 or people have got to, or, or else, you know, something's just going to come and fill the

00:39:32.680 vacuum and whether it's Islam, most likely in Europe or who knows here in the United States.

00:39:41.060 Yeah, absolutely. Um, but nihilism is like a phase. I mean, it's, it's going to be replaced

00:39:48.560 by sooner or later because the nihilist is just going to like, you know, die out.

00:39:54.100 Yeah, exactly. And I think that, right. That's it. Yeah. And I think to kind of address specifically

00:40:00.080 problems that we've run into with, um, like on the right or with the racist liberal worldview,

00:40:05.100 there are lots of people who will try to, um, legitimize and justify like white identity,

00:40:10.560 politics or, um, nationalism based on a purely like Darwinistic materialist racial, um, worldview

00:40:18.980 whereby, um, you know, you don't actually believe in any kind of transcendental mechanism or reality

00:40:26.180 to the universe except for evolutionary flux, which is a product of pragmatism. Um, but you acknowledge

00:40:33.900 that, you know, the, the, to see the success of your kin group and your, uh, the near genetic

00:40:39.980 material to yours is evolutionarily advantageous. And that's why you support, um, you know,

00:40:46.920 nationalism and your family and your kin community by engaging in this struggle, in this communal

00:40:53.800 fight for survival, you gain transcendence in something greater than yourself. However limited

00:41:00.120 in physical, you may believe that it is. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

00:41:03.080 Through the survival, we're echoing, uh, through the survival of your gene pool. Um, so they would,

00:41:10.020 you know, describe it. Right. They live on, they live on through, um, their, if they're homosexuals, 1.00

00:41:16.440 for example, they'll live on through their second or third cousins bloodline. Um, but you know,

00:41:24.160 that, that, that kind of, you know, the, the, the, the Darwinistic, you know, worldview doesn't,

00:41:31.220 doesn't, you know, is, it's not really, I mean, you don't really have, I mean, it's, it's ultimately,

00:41:36.980 I mean, if you take it seriously, I mean, your life is, um, pointless, right? Um,

00:41:43.360 Yeah, that's it. That's the big issue is that, um, you can't, you can't substantiate any moral

00:41:48.800 imperative for why you should be loyal to your race or to your kin group or yourself, uh, under

00:41:55.280 this paradigm. I mean, your, your fitness might be the fitness of your offspring might be increased

00:42:01.560 from breeding with, um, East Asian or, or all kinds of, you know, in need, uh, that's it. Right. 0.97

00:42:12.020 And so that's what we, uh, and this is the big problem is that people come into this and

00:42:16.280 they, uh, have not all of the, all that they've done is they've taken the assumptions of the modern

00:42:21.640 world and they've gone to the nearest and closest, uh, reaction, which is in line with the natural,

00:42:28.220 um, values for preservation of life and family and nation, uh, to legitimize these, these sub

00:42:35.060 rational impulses. I'm not saying that they're bad. I mean, obviously that's a good, uh, everybody

00:42:39.320 should have these, these instincts. But the problem is, is that they're the prop that's

00:42:43.820 used as the, uh, articulation of these instincts is just nonsense. And in fact, is lock, stock

00:42:49.620 and barrel, part of the same philosophical superstructure that's, uh, Carina's towards

00:42:54.240 the edge of death and destruction as, uh, uh, you know, in broad society today and rolling 0.52

00:42:58.760 it back a hundred years to when, uh, the liberals were racist and didn't want Negroes in their

00:43:03.740 bathhouses, uh, will not be the solution. No, no. I mean, the re the reason that we're in the 0.56

00:43:11.260 place we are now is that liberalism has kind of the logic of it is over decades, over centuries

00:43:18.500 has worked itself out and it's managed to, um, dissolve and cannibalize, um, the preexisting

00:43:26.600 culture. For example, our, in the United States, our views of race and, um, the importance of race,

00:43:32.960 the white identity and stuff like that. Um, the existence of racial differences, all this

00:43:38.920 was completely perfectly understood in the colonial era. Um, long before we kind of swallowed

00:43:46.820 the liberal worldview in the 18th century, that, that is the, um, you know, the, the whole

00:43:55.940 conquest of, you know, North America was going on, the settlement, the slavement of blacks 0.99

00:44:02.660 there. There was a lot of stuff that existed before, um, the American revolution. And as

00:44:09.040 I've argued with a lot of these guys about American nationalism, I know you've had

00:44:13.500 Hombok, Hombok on, um, what the American founders tried to do is they tried to preserve things,

00:44:20.120 elements from the past and they tried to combine it with this new, um, 18th century civic nationalism.

00:44:26.700 And, you know, that was the product of the, that was the American. I mean, it was kind 0.93

00:44:32.540 of contradictory. It was, it was racist liberalism, right? Um, but it was also, I mean, they were

00:44:39.000 also, um, most of the founders, um, or not so much the founders, but, um, the common people

00:44:45.700 that are, you know, were strong, strong, strongly, um, Protestant Christians. And, you know, the,

00:44:53.620 the incompatible, um, the ways that, you know, this American identity was, you know, fundamentally

00:45:00.080 full of contradictions and, um, incompatibilities wasn't obvious at the outset. It's excessive

00:45:07.580 generations, um, would, you know, would work out that inheritance that they would take aspects of

00:45:13.560 their identity, like the belief in, um, liberty, you know, universal individual rights. And they would

00:45:20.560 look at things like, Oh, well, um, or women not equal or, you know, um, should ever, shouldn't 0.99

00:45:28.400 everybody be allowed to vote in a democracy? And, um, if all men are created equal, you know,

00:45:34.560 how can we be racist? And, and these contradictions just worked itself out. And what happened was,

00:45:40.760 is that, you know, over time, um, the scope of civic nationalism within our national identity

00:45:47.420 widened and widened and widened, um, Americanism used to be very much, um, based on Protestantism

00:45:56.900 or was closely associated with Protestantism. That was widened to Christianity. Um, Americans used to 0.91

00:46:03.680 define themselves as English. And of course, after the American Revolution, we had to be something else

00:46:08.800 in English, and it was broadened, um, to whites. And this, this broadening, um, of course, in the 1920s,

00:46:18.340 um, we had a lot of immigrants coming from Eastern Europe and Southern Europe. And the, you, there was a

00:46:26.300 reaction against that where we tried to preserve, you know, the, the Nordic dominance of America.

00:46:30.960 And then, you know, um, that was brought into Europeans. And so like this, what would happen 0.99

00:46:37.940 was, is that, um, these other aspects of national identity since the 1950s have been like excluded

00:46:44.680 or have been stripped out. Whiteness was one that was completely overthrown. Um, it wasn't long 1.00

00:46:52.320 thereafter that, um, Christianity ceased to be, um, completely associated with Americanism. And now

00:47:00.380 it's the English language. So now, now we're reduced to nothing but these liberal values. That's

00:47:06.720 who we are. We're people ostensibly, or at least white people in America, since under this bizarre

00:47:13.220 system, non-whites are allowed to have, um, you know, and nurture a sense of racial and ethnic

00:47:18.740 exclusiveness and identity. But we were supposed to be de-racinated individuals who are guilty for 0.98

00:47:24.700 various sins in the past that have been made up in the last 50 years. And, um, we're reunited

00:47:31.780 by the values of freedom and equality, which we don't even agree on. So that's our national,

00:47:39.220 that's our national identity, such as it is. And authoritarian political correctness kind

00:47:45.380 of has moved into the vacuum, especially in academia and people are growing up without moral

00:47:53.880 guidance and they're reacting against it. Like I said earlier, without having a clear sense

00:47:59.540 of morality. Yeah, absolutely. And so without this, um, at the biggest issue is not is of course

00:48:09.540 that there isn't an integrated worldview, but it's even deeper than that because the nihilism has

00:48:14.740 become so deep in our civilization, in our society. There are so many people who embrace an actively

00:48:20.100 nihilistic racialist worldview, uh, where there is no appeal to transcendental reality. You know,

00:48:26.880 people who believe in the existence of the spirit world are retards, you know, are LARPing, right? 0.99

00:48:32.880 Um, you know, and the only thing that really matters is the pragmatic results for your in-group.

00:48:38.780 And what this basically turns into is just, uh, is racial idolatry. Uh, you know, and I mean,

00:48:46.020 even less than this, because often the discursive categories of, of reasoning that are used to

00:48:50.740 identify one phenotype, one genotype group, these themselves are products of, um, of, uh, the cultured

00:48:58.980 history and of civilizational conditioning, right? You know, the, you know, we could look at American,

00:49:05.780 American, America's own racial policy to see this, uh, put into effect, right? Now, I'm not trying to

00:49:13.000 deny the existence of the white race, but always, as our convention of mysterious fascists has been

00:49:16.760 that the, you know, that, uh, blood is one important foundational and necessary part of the whole

00:49:25.860 national life, but it's just the one foundation and nobody sleeps on houses made of concrete slabs 0.99

00:49:31.940 with no walls and doors and roofs and furniture and so on. Yeah, we've, um, uh, especially in the

00:49:39.860 alt-right, you know, we've, like you were saying, you know, it's just one aspect of an overall,

00:49:45.340 an overall thing of whiteness is, and as we've recently discovered with the alt-right that, um,

00:49:52.560 a lot of these people like you, you know, we, we agree with on race, but we don't really share the

00:49:57.300 same moral views, the same, um, religious views, and there's an extreme tension there. Um, especially

00:50:05.320 with the more nihilistic elements. I mean, from a Darwinian perspective, right? Um, what a, a sea

00:50:13.660 sponge or something that's lived from a species that's lived for millions of years is superior,

00:50:18.340 um, to your race, which, you know, only goes back a couple thousand years at most.

00:50:26.200 Um, the white race, for example, was, you know, a product of, um, interbreeding with 1.00

00:50:35.280 Neanderthals and other, you know, previously unknown, um, human groups, according to the

00:50:42.900 Darwinist worldview. Um, and so like you said, it really is like, um, you know, racial idolatry. 0.67

00:50:50.720 And it doesn't even make sense from a Darwinian perspective at all either, right?

00:50:57.080 No, it doesn't. Um, that's, yeah. And that's the big problem is, uh, we can give, I mean,

00:51:02.600 I've talked before on this, the show about, um, like the Western theological loss of, um,

00:51:09.980 the tripartite soul. And, and we were talking about, you know, played as reference to the spirit

00:51:14.560 before. And the idea that, um, the dominant spiritual faculty and man is, his greatest

00:51:20.280 spiritual organ is not actually his mind, but it's the heart or the noose, which is above

00:51:25.100 the mind. And this is what is able to directly see into the world of the forms. And then it's

00:51:32.320 the mind, which processes post facto these observations. Um, and I think that, uh, this

00:51:37.820 is a really good problem that we can't, we don't have time to get into in depth today, but suffice

00:51:42.100 to say that, um, all people have this faculty in this Oregon, whether they are conscious of it or

00:51:49.140 not. And so people make inherent moral judgments based on, um, these super rational factors. You

00:51:57.340 can call it instinct or whatever, right? This is why even people who are committed, uh, moral

00:52:02.580 nihilists, you know, are disgusted at, you know, incest or something like that.

00:52:07.820 Yeah. I mean, they'll see a moral, I mean, they can, you, you might not have, even if

00:52:12.500 you are a nihilist, I mean, a lot of these people can see and recognize, um, moral actions,

00:52:17.120 even though they won't be able to, you know, articulate or explain why something they understand

00:52:22.260 to be moral is or isn't or immoral.

00:52:27.140 Right. Exactly. And this kind of goes back to what we were talking about before is that

00:52:30.340 man is, um, well, the very nature of the, the, the very fact that you can understand anything

00:52:36.340 at all, that the words that we're saying make sense itself implies a transcendental reality,

00:52:42.680 which provides reference and meaning to these words. Okay. Okay. So like this is the fact

00:52:49.360 that we're tapping this conversation right now, and then you understand what we're saying

00:52:52.700 disproves nihilism because it means that there's meaning and it's not just absurdity. Right.

00:52:57.640 Yeah. I mean, like, I mean, do you even have, you know, a language, you require some minimum

00:53:02.800 level of agreement, um, amongst, you know, terms of vocabulary and things like that.

00:53:10.540 That's right.

00:53:11.820 Where was it? Where was it going with this? Yeah. I mean, like the, getting back to one

00:53:15.740 of the big divides is that, you know, like we were, like we were talking about earlier,

00:53:20.060 you know, like, you know, the, the, the, the tripartite division of the soul and, you know,

00:53:25.900 the, the modern middle-class, um, bourgeois person, especially in our movie, their, their

00:53:33.620 lives are oriented like totally towards, um, material satisfaction and, and pleasure. And

00:53:39.200 it's like, it's really, you know, I am to the exclusion of, of higher things. And I think,

00:53:45.680 I think people do sense that. I mean, our whole culture is based on that. Like, uh,

00:53:50.060 my life will be destroyed if, uh, if, um, I don't get this job or, or something like

00:53:56.120 that. And, um, that's the kind of culture we've had is, it's a culture which liberalism

00:54:02.740 is, you know, directed at the lowest aspects of human beings, which is just, you know, pure

00:54:07.780 material words and, um, satisfaction. Whereas, you know, the Greeks understood that, um, some,

00:54:14.840 some degree of wealth, um, was necessary, but it wasn't like, uh, the high,

00:54:20.060 certainly wasn't the highest good. It was just the means to other goods.

00:54:24.560 Right. It's, it's power to affect the action and the external good. Yeah.

00:54:31.580 Absolutely. And I mean, this is, um, has been very well articulated in many circles and I

00:54:37.040 think we're going to get kind of get a little deep into like libido dominante and that kind

00:54:41.140 of stuff after the break, before the break, I wanted to square up by talking about nominalism

00:54:46.020 and getting this kind of part out of the way, um, before we continue. At some point,

00:54:50.840 we'll have Father Johnson on the show to do a full talk on nominalism. But as listeners

00:54:55.120 of the show will know, um, epistemological nominalism is the idea that, uh, there is no

00:55:04.080 relationship between an object and its referent. And what this basically means is that the words

00:55:09.760 that we use to describe reality around us and our sense experience of the different

00:55:14.840 forms and things in our lives and the mutual world of ideas that we have to describe and

00:55:20.720 to make sense of this reality is arbitrary. Uh, and it's not rooted in any sort of objective

00:55:26.360 external order. Um, but rather is just the shorthand that we give for our collectively agreed

00:55:32.860 upon sense experiences. Um, so like take for instance, you know, uh, beauty, right? One

00:55:39.900 of the classic transcendental forms, right? Um, the modern nihilistic worldview doesn't

00:55:45.020 admit that beauty has a transcendental reality to itself, uh, in, you know, of its own accord

00:55:51.080 that it has to do with certain proportions that are harmonious and in conformity with the

00:55:56.320 structure of the universe and so on. Um, but rather it thinks that this is just, uh, it's

00:56:02.100 arbitrary. It's just what pleases and flatters our ego.

00:56:06.780 Yeah, that it's a social construct is something that's, um, totally, totally made up. And if

00:56:12.140 all, if only we can, you know, train, um, people to recognize beauty is, is one thing that they'll

00:56:17.580 act upon that. Even though, you know, we have, we are born with a inborn and intrinsic sense

00:56:23.600 of, um, of what is beautiful and what is ugly just as we are, you know, we have like an,

00:56:28.540 to some degree, you know, inborn, um, moral sense, even though, even though it's not completely,

00:56:34.020 um, educated, right? I mean, it's more morality is something you have to be, um, you have to

00:56:40.840 practice and be disciplined in, I would say.

00:56:45.700 Yeah, I absolutely agree with you there. And so, yeah, so this, this nominalism, which kind

00:56:51.520 of entered the West philosophy, high middle ages and some of Canterbury, uh, which is

00:56:57.220 originally like a Christian idea that, um, the law of God is true because God wills it

00:57:03.700 and there's, it doesn't have any accord to, um, to logos, to, to objective structure, which

00:57:09.620 is a heresy by the way. Um, but, and what's happened is that the, because the West has

00:57:14.740 killed God, they just dropped God entirely. So they've just gone full nominalism. Um, you

00:57:19.240 know, at least, at least class, like a classical nominalist theistic worldview, there's like

00:57:26.400 a arbitrary God that supports everything. I mean, yeah, I mean, it was, it was in the

00:57:32.480 original form of it. It was at least, you know, there was some acknowledgement of, of

00:57:37.520 God, even though this was a complex, um, logical argument. It wasn't nearly taken to the point

00:57:43.300 that it is today where, um, God and the authority of God is just going to drop completely from the

00:57:49.460 equation, right? Right, exactly. And so what's happened is over time, this is metastasized into

00:57:55.980 our current worldview of nihilism. And that's the thing is this nihilism, as we've said, it's,

00:58:02.320 it's an implied thing. And the philosophical currency, which this implied worldview operates

00:58:07.580 on is this nominalism. It's that like what you do, the meaning of what you do is derived

00:58:13.000 from your perception and social and the social perception of that meaning rather than inherent,

00:58:17.880 any inherent value to the actions or the effects that a value has to the ends, the telos of which

00:58:24.780 you're striving afterwards. Um, and this, if this is true, the reason why this is so important and why,

00:58:30.300 why we go into this, this, the philosophical concept is because if this is true, then that

00:58:34.820 means whoever can control the social and individual values disturbance reality. And the person who's able

00:58:41.900 to do that are the people who are the richest and most powerful. Yeah. Um, unfortunately, you know,

00:58:49.000 liberalism ends up decompiling our culture and, you know, says, um, behold the free market.

00:58:54.880 And what happens is, is that, you know, certain malicious ethnic groups ended up operating through 1.00

00:59:01.260 the free market to, you know, gain like total ascendance over, you know, our media and, um, film and

00:59:08.080 other culturally sensitive nodes of our culture and then, um, use their economic power and political

00:59:15.620 power in order to, um, manipulate our moral ideas. Right. I mean, they literally try to redefine morality

00:59:26.200 itself as it's arbitrary things like, uh, racism. I believe, um, I don't believe racism was considered

00:59:34.140 immoral in the United States and, you know, at least until after 1940, probably not even until 1960.

00:59:40.940 I don't think that was, um, the dominant worldview. So we, we had this pseudo morality that's been

00:59:47.320 imposed on us and that we almost conform our lives to, which is of no value, uh, to us. And my personal

00:59:53.960 view is that, you know, morality has always been things like virtues and, you know, conformity to, um,

00:59:59.320 natural law and, um, a moral action would be someone who's honest, right? Someone who has

01:00:08.040 adversity or someone who has integrity or someone who's, um, magnanimous or something like that,

01:00:16.460 you know, or it avoids, you know, obvious, um, sins and all this other, I mean, that's, that's been

01:00:24.440 completely dropped. I mean, so we have people today, like, I mean, according to, you know, our

01:00:28.020 understanding of morality is, are completely devoid, like almost nearly completely devoid

01:00:33.200 of morality. And they're really, you know, when you interact with them, there's some of the most

01:00:37.620 vicious, mean people. Um, they're not benevolent people, for example. Um, they're, they're just

01:00:46.540 extremely like hateful. And I'm not even, I mean, people call me a hater and stuff. I'm not like

01:00:52.420 hateful at all. Um, it's not, you know, a way to act.

01:00:58.600 Yeah, absolutely. And, um, the big problem about this nominalism is that as we've been saying from

01:01:05.840 the beginning of the episode, is that it just, it cuts both ways and it's so saturated in the

01:01:09.880 culture that people, people live this nominalistic worldview, even in the far right. And Mike and I,

01:01:15.740 I just recently recorded a little monologue. My essential contention is I don't, you can't, um,

01:01:22.080 you know, you, there's no lasting solution in this. You can't form the basis of a civilization

01:01:26.720 on these radically, totally opposed and different worldviews. Um, that, that you need, I mean,

01:01:34.740 at a minimum, you know, the recognition of like absolute divine truth and like a cosmic order and so

01:01:41.400 on. And even then, even then, if you, uh, if, even if you, you know, you believe like, you know,

01:01:46.600 Iron March school fascism, that there's this transcendental cosmic order that we're all bound

01:01:50.880 to by natural law, right. Uh, you know, even then there can be radical, radical divergences in,

01:01:57.080 in worldview and civilizational outcome based on the, do those presuppositions, right. Um, and these are

01:02:04.460 just not trivial. And this is the thing. And I mean, people, one of the, the, the things of,

01:02:08.700 of liberalism that it's, is it such a fatal conceit is liberalism itself being a product of

01:02:15.860 European Christendom in, as part of its self critique, sneers at the theological exactness

01:02:24.960 and dogmatic healthfulness of ages previously, where the theological and intellectual vanguard of

01:02:31.740 the society and the civil authorities likewise understood the dramatic and intimate relationship

01:02:37.540 between articulated theology and the implementation of that theology as part of the worldview and the

01:02:43.420 coherence of the civilization as a whole. And so they understood that minor disputes and

01:02:49.660 disagreements in theology often can have radically, radical consequences down the road, right.

01:02:55.280 Yeah. Downstream, like further downstream. I mean, things that are, you know, are just completely

01:02:59.340 academic arguments, you know, even today, like will eventually seep out and pour into, through to,

01:03:08.500 through the popular culture. Um, you know, I brought up the obvious example of free love,

01:03:13.820 for example, the idea, you know, of completely unbridled sexuality, which, you know, according

01:03:18.620 to the Christian tradition is absolutely a radical idea is completely mainstream now. Right. Um, you know,

01:03:25.160 the freakish view is that, um, the, the non-mainstream view is that, you know, morality, I mean, there's

01:03:32.080 an objective morality that should constrain sexuality. And, you know, um, if we try to impose any kind

01:03:39.320 of, um, moral scheme on sexuality, it would be, you know, um, tyrannical. That's how we'd be interpreted

01:03:47.920 today in our modern liberal society. Yeah, exactly. I mean, who are we to say that two

01:03:53.560 lesbians, um, aren't like a happily married couple or can we produce? Right. I mean, the 1.00

01:04:00.480 example I really like to use is the word love. I mean, uh, to even begin with, we've talked

01:04:05.820 about many times, you know, four different words in Greek for love and only one in English

01:04:09.500 and our one in English, we're supposed to understand, you know, uh, God so loves the world

01:04:15.160 that he gives his only begotten son to be the same concept as love is love, you know,

01:04:21.760 free love, you know, equal love. These are, this is the same thing, the same type of love.

01:04:26.980 Yeah. Love is if it feels good or do it, you know, just could do it. Um, yeah, exactly.

01:04:33.740 Although, although, although there's, you know, there's, um, is, is a strange contradiction

01:04:39.000 that runs through it, right? It was like, um, morality is a matter of opinion, but racism is

01:04:45.140 absolutely reprehensible and immoral, right? It's a huge contradiction that runs through

01:04:50.800 it. Um, you know, um, where, where was I going with this? Um, well, yeah, no, I agree

01:04:57.300 with you. And I mean, uh, I think that that's a good place to park it and we'll, we'll go

01:05:00.600 for a little break and then after we return, we'll get back into it. All right, cool.

01:05:05.600 So to our listeners, thank you for joining us and stay tuned.

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01:09:24.080 Welcome back to Mysterium Pashy's episode 50, Nihilism.

01:09:41.720 I'm your host, Florian Geyer. We're returning with our guest, Hunter Wallace.

01:09:45.260 So, before the break, I think we got into the big issues of nihilism.

01:09:51.980 And now we're going to kind of complete our little philosophical discussion and end with some solutions.

01:09:57.000 And then we'll talk about a few other issues in the head of Kalahega News.

01:10:00.320 So, I figured that we would start with talking about how the values of the Enlightenment

01:10:08.580 essentially lead to the total hedonism and nihilism that we have today.

01:10:17.220 Now, there is a brilliant, brilliant little infographic that I'm going to see if I can pull up here

01:10:21.300 and include in the description that was produced by Iron March back when they were still producing their fantastic things

01:10:29.300 and not being harassed by the Russian government, you know, as you do, as you do.

01:10:36.960 And so, it essentially, in this nice little algorithm of the liberal slash cultural Marxist views.

01:10:43.400 And it begins with the question, do you believe that everyone is equal?

01:10:46.980 Do you believe in egalitarianism, which is one of the key ideas of the Enlightenment?

01:10:52.020 And this goes back to Rousseauian and Lockean ideas of Tabula Rasa, of the blank slate, that the—here.

01:11:00.200 I'll just—I'll read through the flowchart, and the information is so on point.

01:11:05.040 I think it will more eloquently describe what I'm getting at here.

01:11:09.680 You know, belief in equality, despite differences, social equality, eventually, upon realization,

01:11:17.260 changes into a belief of equality because all are the same.

01:11:21.720 It's the naturalistic equality.

01:11:23.540 If you accept naturalistic equality, you must accept feminism, 1.00

01:11:27.460 because social equality demands equal pay.

01:11:31.260 It shifts into natural equality narrative of gender as a social construct,

01:11:36.780 implying lack of biological differences between men and women.

01:11:39.680 Attributing existing perceptions of the sexes as being artificial and beneficial to the patriarchy,

01:11:44.960 which should—the worldview of which shouldn't be changed.

01:11:50.740 And so on, if you accept this, then gender becomes unbiological.

01:11:54.780 Gender roles are not fixed to a given sex.

01:11:57.340 That's a patriarchal lie.

01:11:59.160 Therefore, a man can identify as a woman and a woman as a man,

01:12:02.500 or as a number of other genders.

01:12:04.140 If people are naturalistically equal, if there is a consistently applied philosophy

01:12:08.100 of biological equality and interchangeability,

01:12:12.680 in and of itself, it entails the very destruction of gender, 0.99

01:12:16.340 if it's taken seriously.

01:12:18.560 And this—you know, the great wonder, I would say, as a caveat,

01:12:22.580 of living in the modern decadent era,

01:12:24.500 is none of us ever need to make arguments by slippery slope fallacies anymore.

01:12:28.780 Because, you know, if you watch a man fall down a ridge and break his neck,

01:12:32.920 you can point to his corpse and say,

01:12:34.420 look, he just fell.

01:12:35.580 The mud's over his clothes.

01:12:37.780 And so all you need to do is look at the history and point out where things have gone.

01:12:43.780 Okay?

01:12:44.860 So it's a very strong argument.

01:12:47.760 And so, of course—but anyway, if you believe that,

01:12:49.120 if you take naturalist egalitarianism to be seriously,

01:12:51.920 then, of course, you know, transsexualism is perfectly legitimate, 0.94

01:12:56.440 and homosexuals are perfectly legitimate,

01:12:58.100 because there is no biological essentialism,

01:13:00.740 and so there's no end or goal or orientation

01:13:03.840 between the discrete categories of human gender

01:13:07.080 and their sexual or lack thereof relationship with each other.

01:13:11.800 And if this is the—if you believe this,

01:13:14.840 then you've already come to discard the idea that gender and sexuality are innate.

01:13:18.780 And if that's the case, then it goes immediately to, like, bestiality.

01:13:26.280 Because if humans and animals—

01:13:27.520 Why not?

01:13:28.080 Of course, right?

01:13:29.060 Because if all races are equal, right, 0.87

01:13:31.160 and you believe in cosmopolitanism,

01:13:32.740 you believe in this total naturalistic egalitarianism,

01:13:37.840 if you follow these principles,

01:13:40.240 humans belong to the animal kingdom, 0.99

01:13:42.520 and all animals have a certain dignity to them.

01:13:45.000 No animal is lesser or greater than another,

01:13:47.420 or none of them is endowed with a special consecration.

01:13:51.740 This, of course, leads to veganism,

01:13:55.480 philosophically speaking,

01:13:57.040 because there's no hierarchy of animal behavior

01:13:59.840 beyond kind of raw utility.

01:14:03.700 So you can't make a justification on that set of virtue ethics

01:14:08.020 philosophically for her meat-eating. 0.55

01:14:10.840 And then, of course, from gender and all of this,

01:14:15.420 it just leads to pedophilia and incest, 0.88

01:14:18.920 as we've also seen promoted by the mainstream.

01:14:22.260 Because if there's no biologically discrete categories

01:14:26.740 for gender or sexuality or ends or telos,

01:14:29.400 then why does youthfulness and fertility

01:14:32.680 impact one's ability to participate in sexual activity?

01:14:39.060 Or one's consanguinity, incestuousness?

01:14:44.780 It's not a question of whether there is a meaning

01:14:47.780 or there is an end.

01:14:48.780 It's presumed that there is not,

01:14:50.640 because all ends are equal.

01:14:52.680 And so there's no greater moral value of that end

01:14:55.260 one over another.

01:14:56.300 And that's when it comes back.

01:14:58.220 That's where the nihilism comes from.

01:14:59.640 It's the egalitarianism.

01:15:00.920 It's the inability to make discriminations

01:15:03.460 and value judgments

01:15:04.620 by observing different categories.

01:15:08.980 The suppression of that diversity

01:15:10.960 creates this, you know,

01:15:15.620 laissez-faire nihilism, 0.99

01:15:18.140 where you just go straight to having sex with animals, 1.00

01:15:20.320 unfortunately. 0.98

01:15:20.920 I mean, we use what sounds like extreme examples,

01:15:26.020 but I mean,

01:15:26.880 in the long sweep of the history of liberalism,

01:15:30.140 you realize this is,

01:15:31.500 these are not extreme examples

01:15:34.440 that there really is a slippery slope

01:15:36.640 and we're almost at the,

01:15:39.280 near the,

01:15:40.200 plummeting close towards the bottom of the slope.

01:15:43.200 Now, Hunter,

01:15:43.820 I'm going to disagree with you there.

01:15:45.120 Hell is a bottomless pit.

01:15:46.440 There's no bottom to the slope.

01:15:48.920 Maybe, you know,

01:15:52.120 it's just the limits of my imagination.

01:15:55.060 Like we were talking about earlier,

01:15:56.420 you know,

01:15:56.640 free love was considered

01:15:57.600 this absolutely radical idea,

01:15:59.220 this idea that there was going to be a,

01:16:01.120 or feminism, 1.00

01:16:01.960 where there would be a revolution amongst women 1.00

01:16:03.480 and they would all like put on pants

01:16:05.180 and chew tobacco

01:16:06.480 and drink

01:16:07.900 and have their husbands in the household. 1.00

01:16:10.080 Like, I mean,

01:16:10.640 these are, you know,

01:16:11.560 horror stories in the old South

01:16:13.460 and all these things have,

01:16:15.440 have since come to pass the,

01:16:18.880 and just since the gay, 0.55

01:16:19.740 just since the legalization of gay marriage,

01:16:22.820 I believe that was in 2012.

01:16:25.140 No, it wasn't,

01:16:26.000 maybe it was in 2013 or 14.

01:16:27.780 One.

01:16:30.340 You've seen the rise of transgenderism 0.98

01:16:32.460 and there's,

01:16:33.760 you know,

01:16:33.940 trans racial,

01:16:34.780 racialism.

01:16:35.320 And there's even people

01:16:36.040 like who call themselves

01:16:37.440 as trans-abled

01:16:38.320 where they,

01:16:39.740 they believe that they were really,

01:16:41.180 um,

01:16:42.560 born like,

01:16:43.440 uh,

01:16:43.840 disabled and stuff.

01:16:45.320 And,

01:16:46.400 um,

01:16:47.180 this is all a mistake.

01:16:49.240 And then they'll,

01:16:50.020 they'll like,

01:16:50.500 you know, 0.99

01:16:50.680 cut off their arms 0.99

01:16:51.660 or throw themselves downstairs 0.86

01:16:53.100 in order to be paralyzed.

01:16:54.600 It's,

01:16:54.820 it's,

01:16:55.100 it's,

01:16:55.520 it's,

01:16:56.540 it's insane.

01:16:57.160 Like how far this,

01:16:58.180 um,

01:16:59.780 this logic can go.

01:17:01.680 Yeah.

01:17:02.320 Um,

01:17:02.720 and even,

01:17:03.520 even,

01:17:04.280 even like,

01:17:04.820 even like,

01:17:05.200 with,

01:17:05.700 um,

01:17:06.480 biology,

01:17:07.200 it's,

01:17:07.420 it runs completely,

01:17:08.540 you know,

01:17:09.180 counter,

01:17:10.060 um,

01:17:11.500 to biology.

01:17:12.160 I mean,

01:17:12.700 biologically speaking,

01:17:14.220 it's absolutely clear,

01:17:15.520 definitive differences between men and women.

01:17:18.440 Right.

01:17:19.020 Well,

01:17:19.420 I mean,

01:17:19.780 your,

01:17:20.120 your,

01:17:20.360 your gender is stamped on every cell of your body. 1.00

01:17:23.000 X,

01:17:23.220 Y,

01:17:23.420 X,

01:17:23.640 X.

01:17:24.220 Exactly.

01:17:25.000 And I,

01:17:25.460 I've told this before to,

01:17:27.020 um,

01:17:27.440 transsexuals who've come to protest us at rallies.

01:17:29.840 I was like,

01:17:30.200 look,

01:17:30.500 I mean,

01:17:31.400 I don't care if you're wearing that dress,

01:17:33.140 every cell of,

01:17:34.040 you know,

01:17:34.380 your,

01:17:34.540 your body,

01:17:35.500 you have Y chromosome,

01:17:37.000 right?

01:17:38.120 You are a man.

01:17:39.800 It is,

01:17:40.380 it doesn't matter if you have surgery or you pump yourself full of hormones.

01:17:43.600 I mean,

01:17:43.800 you're just living in denial artificially of your nature and stuff.

01:17:48.960 And,

01:17:49.500 um,

01:17:50.720 I mean,

01:17:51.040 but that's just like one extreme example of,

01:17:53.160 you know,

01:17:53.280 you're talking about the,

01:17:53.940 the,

01:17:54.540 the,

01:17:54.940 the absolute radical individualism,

01:17:57.180 the,

01:17:57.380 um,

01:17:58.440 the not,

01:17:58.880 the nonalism,

01:17:59.520 the,

01:17:59.880 um,

01:18:00.580 egalitarianism,

01:18:01.980 inability to,

01:18:03.380 um,

01:18:04.200 make even the most basic obvious,

01:18:06.060 um,

01:18:07.360 distinctions,

01:18:07.980 right?

01:18:10.160 Oh,

01:18:10.860 right.

01:18:12.480 Well,

01:18:12.660 I think that what we were trying to elaborate is that the,

01:18:16.700 like French revolution style egalitarianism,

01:18:20.020 which certainly was not,

01:18:21.240 you know,

01:18:21.700 advocating.

01:18:22.180 Well,

01:18:22.680 it was to a,

01:18:23.200 to a certain degree,

01:18:23.880 but it wasn't kind of,

01:18:25.080 uh, 0.87

01:18:27.440 the mainstream of the French revolution wasn't advocating having sex with animals.

01:18:32.620 Of course not.

01:18:34.620 A lot of the,

01:18:35.760 a lot of the enlightenment thinkers actually,

01:18:37.920 you know,

01:18:38.720 completely acknowledged the existence of race.

01:18:41.560 I mean,

01:18:42.040 it was certainly,

01:18:42.800 um,

01:18:43.700 more common for,

01:18:44.880 I think Voltaire would be one example and Hume would be another.

01:18:48.820 Um,

01:18:49.980 most of the enlightenment thinkers,

01:18:51.360 um,

01:18:51.680 did acknowledge the reality of race.

01:18:54.580 Um,

01:18:55.520 Locke,

01:18:55.960 for example,

01:18:56.620 Locke himself,

01:18:57.320 um,

01:18:58.700 helped design the constitution of South Carolina,

01:19:02.500 which,

01:19:03.040 you know,

01:19:03.260 legalized slavery and stuff.

01:19:05.860 He was against slavery,

01:19:06.920 but like,

01:19:07.440 you know,

01:19:07.940 strangely participated in the slave trade himself.

01:19:10.760 Um,

01:19:11.700 but it's just over time,

01:19:13.000 you know,

01:19:13.160 the internal league strikes again,

01:19:14.480 successive generations have taken these broad principles and it's kind of even lost touch with a lot of stuff in liberals.

01:19:22.480 Right.

01:19:23.080 Well,

01:19:23.320 what,

01:19:23.500 what happens is that,

01:19:24.680 yeah,

01:19:25.460 no,

01:19:25.620 you're,

01:19:25.860 you're,

01:19:26.180 what happens is that the people,

01:19:27.720 um,

01:19:27.960 are creatures of extremity.

01:19:29.140 And oftentimes when you have a revolutionary new ideas that are at odds with the status quo,

01:19:35.520 there's a much more limited imposition of those ideas or fleshing out of that worldview,

01:19:40.800 um,

01:19:41.360 basically to appeal to the respectability and the normality of everyday life.

01:19:45.900 Um,

01:19:46.340 but if you're very consistent,

01:19:47.920 right,

01:19:48.260 like if you're very consistent with what you think,

01:19:50.600 um,

01:19:50.960 you know,

01:19:51.140 that's,

01:19:51.560 this is basically like,

01:19:53.020 you know,

01:19:54.180 I mean,

01:19:54.380 the Bolsheviks basically said that night,

01:19:56.080 the revolution of 1917 was just the continuation of the revolution of 96,

01:20:01.020 1796.

01:20:03.060 Um,

01:20:03.760 just,

01:20:04.080 you know,

01:20:04.220 in the same long line,

01:20:05.320 you know,

01:20:05.660 of,

01:20:05.940 uh,

01:20:06.380 of enlightenment,

01:20:07.860 liberal revolutionary attitudes,

01:20:10.060 right?

01:20:10.400 Right.

01:20:11.200 Right.

01:20:11.720 The Jacobins.

01:20:12.540 Right.

01:20:12.780 And that's what it comes back.

01:20:13.740 And now he,

01:20:14.260 and you get into the connection between,

01:20:16.240 you know,

01:20:17.300 the Jacobins and,

01:20:18.440 you know,

01:20:19.180 Freemasonry,

01:20:19.880 right.

01:20:20.100 And going into like Adam Weishaupt and the Illuminists, 0.91

01:20:23.620 like the actual Bavarian Illuminati who were like,

01:20:26.740 like communists,

01:20:27.520 basically they were radical champions.

01:20:30.660 Right.

01:20:31.320 Um,

01:20:32.220 you know,

01:20:32.500 and so there's,

01:20:32.920 there's quite a,

01:20:33.760 uh,

01:20:34.680 a story picture there.

01:20:36.400 And so the,

01:20:37.580 the point is that,

01:20:38.680 um,

01:20:39.780 this,

01:20:40.260 like nihilism,

01:20:41.740 father,

01:20:42.020 Sarah from Rose wrote a very excellent book called nihilism,

01:20:44.420 um,

01:20:46.080 where he,

01:20:46.480 he lays out basically the classic orthodox argument that man himself,

01:20:50.780 uh,

01:20:52.220 all is constructed according to a certain nature.

01:20:54.600 And the denial of that nature does not change the reality of that existence.

01:21:00.160 And so man,

01:21:01.380 um,

01:21:02.180 is created spiritual and he's designed to have communion with something greater than himself,

01:21:07.140 something transcendent to worship that and so on.

01:21:10.260 And to engage in a dynamic relationship with him.

01:21:12.960 And so when he excludes a deity or even,

01:21:16.080 um,

01:21:16.820 you know,

01:21:17.060 some philosophical system or,

01:21:19.220 you know,

01:21:19.320 something like that,

01:21:20.840 as his worldview,

01:21:21.580 some sort of,

01:21:22.020 you know,

01:21:22.920 quote of ethics,

01:21:24.240 you know,

01:21:24.420 stoicism,

01:21:25.100 whatever.

01:21:26.100 He,

01:21:26.600 um,

01:21:28.100 replaces the figure of the deity with his own ego.

01:21:32.640 That's what happens always.

01:21:34.100 Okay.

01:21:34.580 Cause that's how we are.

01:21:35.560 Human beings are very prideful. 1.00

01:21:37.280 And so,

01:21:38.580 right.

01:21:39.100 And so what happens is that the desires and the whims,

01:21:42.480 the satisfactions of the ego are God to him because they are the,

01:21:47.940 uh,

01:21:48.460 governing factors of his life.

01:21:50.760 And they determine the structure of his reality and the content of his beliefs.

01:21:55.320 As we know,

01:21:55.880 most,

01:21:56.080 most people don't discern their beliefs,

01:21:58.260 uh,

01:21:58.940 rationally according to truth,

01:22:01.180 because if they did, 0.90

01:22:02.020 it would be shitty for them.

01:22:03.040 Um,

01:22:04.180 it's very,

01:22:05.940 very,

01:22:06.860 very unhelpful.

01:22:08.600 In fact,

01:22:09.000 you don't get along very well at all.

01:22:10.380 If you love the truth,

01:22:11.640 all right,

01:22:12.140 cause we live in a society based on lies.

01:22:14.580 That's right.

01:22:15.280 That's absolutely,

01:22:16.600 you will absolutely,

01:22:17.800 you know,

01:22:18.200 fall afoul and the ban of society.

01:22:20.940 Now,

01:22:21.420 um,

01:22:22.420 if,

01:22:22.940 you know,

01:22:23.140 you can form your lives,

01:22:24.280 the truth,

01:22:24.700 just to tell the truth about race or now,

01:22:27.700 even like,

01:22:28.300 uh,

01:22:28.680 sex and gender,

01:22:29.900 you know,

01:22:30.360 is enough to ostracize you from the mainstream.

01:22:33.040 Right.

01:22:35.600 Using the wrong pronoun,

01:22:36.480 using,

01:22:36.860 using the wrong pronoun in some countries is a grave offense.

01:22:40.720 Yes.

01:22:42.000 Yes,

01:22:42.440 exactly.

01:22:43.740 They lost that fight too in Canada.

01:22:45.940 I was going to say.

01:22:46.320 Yes,

01:22:46.520 they did.

01:22:47.020 Over the pronoun,

01:22:47.860 over the pronouns.

01:22:48.900 Mm-hmm.

01:22:49.500 Uh,

01:22:49.660 yeah.

01:22:50.060 Well,

01:22:50.520 I mean that,

01:22:51.200 you know,

01:22:51.420 when I get into the jurisprudence of that,

01:22:53.800 it was,

01:22:54.300 it was,

01:22:54.780 the superior court declared that,

01:22:57.720 uh,

01:22:58.160 the truth has absolutely nothing to do with the law and true claims may very well

01:23:03.020 be hate speech.

01:23:05.180 Yeah.

01:23:05.600 I mean,

01:23:05.820 if,

01:23:06.020 if,

01:23:06.220 if someone is having sex with a child, 0.94

01:23:07.920 why can't they, 0.89

01:23:08.500 you know,

01:23:09.660 you know,

01:23:10.260 claim that they've transitioned,

01:23:11.840 uh,

01:23:12.200 automatically in their mind to like the,

01:23:14.040 uh,

01:23:15.680 mentally to a seven year old,

01:23:17.140 right?

01:23:17.260 Well,

01:23:17.840 Canada has already,

01:23:18.760 seven year old is my true self.

01:23:20.020 And the Supreme court has already,

01:23:21.240 uh,

01:23:21.680 legitimized some forms of bestiality.

01:23:24.180 Yeah.

01:23:24.980 Are,

01:23:25.180 are,

01:23:25.580 are,

01:23:25.680 are perfectly,

01:23:26.180 uh,

01:23:27.200 some,

01:23:27.580 some basically,

01:23:28.640 uh,

01:23:29.320 uh,

01:23:29.700 non-coercive,

01:23:30.980 shall we say,

01:23:31.800 forms of bestiality,

01:23:34.440 non-coercive,

01:23:35.060 non-penetrative forms of bestiality are perfectly legal.

01:23:38.180 In the national Canada,

01:23:39.680 uh,

01:23:41.580 I'm going to leave it there anyway.

01:23:44.160 And so this is,

01:23:44.900 in fact,

01:23:45.200 this is,

01:23:45.460 this is where it goes.

01:23:46.200 So again,

01:23:47.080 I don't,

01:23:47.500 you know,

01:23:47.620 you don't have to,

01:23:48.820 it's not some,

01:23:49.680 like,

01:23:50.560 I say this a lot,

01:23:51.780 mystery fashion is almost every episode that we don't speak in hyperbole.

01:23:54.620 We speak in technical and precise terms.

01:23:56.420 And the reason why it sounds like we're speaking in,

01:23:59.240 um,

01:24:00.900 you know,

01:24:01.860 very,

01:24:02.280 uh,

01:24:02.840 very wild terms is because this is the nature and the extremity of the situation.

01:24:07.420 That is,

01:24:08.360 I mean,

01:24:08.600 we were already in like,

01:24:10.240 um,

01:24:11.640 like,

01:24:11.880 like you,

01:24:12.260 like you said,

01:24:12.760 you know,

01:24:12.920 it's a bottomless pit.

01:24:13.840 And,

01:24:14.320 um,

01:24:15.220 the,

01:24:15.460 the most negative social critics of a hundred years ago couldn't have anticipated,

01:24:19.940 didn't even anticipate,

01:24:20.780 uh,

01:24:21.120 they anticipated free love and,

01:24:22.640 and free divorce.

01:24:24.620 And all these other things,

01:24:25.520 they didn't anticipate transgenderism.

01:24:27.300 That was,

01:24:27.940 um,

01:24:29.860 that was beyond the limits of their imagination.

01:24:31.780 And I'm sure like,

01:24:32.680 you know,

01:24:32.920 50,

01:24:33.260 a hundred years from now,

01:24:34.040 as liberalism runs its course,

01:24:35.500 there's stuff even beyond our imagination.

01:24:38.040 Yeah,

01:24:38.500 indeed.

01:24:40.180 Bob,

01:24:40.740 that's it.

01:24:41.300 Truly.

01:24:41.860 That's it.

01:24:42.900 And so,

01:24:43.320 uh,

01:24:43.560 yeah,

01:24:43.860 at some point it'll just be so bad that,

01:24:45.740 uh,

01:24:46.760 God will regret,

01:24:48.240 regret making us.

01:24:50.400 You would think,

01:24:51.340 you would think,

01:24:51.860 I mean,

01:24:52.100 like,

01:24:52.480 um,

01:24:53.180 I mean,

01:24:53.400 just for example,

01:24:54.140 though,

01:24:54.620 the,

01:24:55.120 the family issue alone,

01:24:56.260 the issue with,

01:24:57.080 um,

01:24:57.760 you know,

01:24:58.020 men and women and children,

01:25:00.160 you know,

01:25:00.460 people,

01:25:00.920 you know,

01:25:01.120 living these lives of,

01:25:03.540 you know,

01:25:03.600 absolute hedonism or,

01:25:05.060 you know,

01:25:05.940 you have a couple,

01:25:07.180 which,

01:25:07.460 you know,

01:25:07.580 has like maybe a dog,

01:25:09.420 which is their dog,

01:25:10.720 which is their pet,

01:25:11.840 uh,

01:25:12.620 which is their substitute child.

01:25:14.020 Um,

01:25:14.600 you know,

01:25:14.900 as this stuff accumulates,

01:25:16.260 you know,

01:25:16.820 um,

01:25:18.720 just,

01:25:19.140 and I mean,

01:25:19.740 you can look at Europe where the age ratios are just getting out of whack.

01:25:23.020 It's becoming completely unsustainable.

01:25:25.340 I mean,

01:25:25.520 you would think,

01:25:26.000 I mean,

01:25:26.320 just economically,

01:25:27.660 this is going to eventually catch up,

01:25:29.400 um,

01:25:30.780 with all these dying societies.

01:25:32.400 And,

01:25:35.520 you know,

01:25:35.740 that's when the price will be paid.

01:25:38.440 Yeah,

01:25:38.540 absolutely.

01:25:39.760 And so,

01:25:40.660 it might not be apparent at first,

01:25:42.520 but,

01:25:42.820 you know,

01:25:42.960 in the long run,

01:25:43.820 um,

01:25:44.460 it's going to,

01:25:44.820 all these bad,

01:25:45.580 terrible decisions on the basis of this.

01:25:47.800 Well,

01:25:48.300 natural,

01:25:48.880 the lessons of natural law are the consequences,

01:25:51.480 right?

01:25:51.800 I mean,

01:25:52.120 like if you bang your head against the wall,

01:25:53.580 your head will begin to hurt.

01:25:54.680 And that is the lesson,

01:25:55.940 natural law against banging your head against the wall.

01:25:59.780 Yeah.

01:26:00.900 Uh,

01:26:01.340 and so,

01:26:01.900 you know,

01:26:02.100 pondering why your head hurts and,

01:26:04.220 and as you bang your head,

01:26:05.620 that's the insanity.

01:26:08.600 Yeah.

01:26:09.200 It's kind of the situation we're in where,

01:26:10.940 you know,

01:26:11.220 we're suffering from all these,

01:26:13.800 all the symptoms of social collapse.

01:26:15.340 And a lot of people just can't even understand or articulate why.

01:26:18.940 Yeah,

01:26:19.440 that's it.

01:26:20.440 And so,

01:26:21.140 um,

01:26:22.180 this,

01:26:22.900 this,

01:26:23.300 uh,

01:26:23.600 this nihilism,

01:26:24.280 as we've discussed,

01:26:24.940 it leads to the enthronement of the ego,

01:26:27.380 uh,

01:26:28.940 over nature.

01:26:29.800 And so the ego comes to,

01:26:32.040 that conclusion,

01:26:32.600 which is most pleasing and flattering to itself.

01:26:34.720 And then it seeks to impose that world view upon the world around it.

01:26:38.580 Uh,

01:26:38.980 and it wants others to conform to its world view.

01:26:41.540 I mean,

01:26:41.700 so we can see this.

01:26:42.880 Transgenderism is the perfect example, 1.00

01:26:44.240 right?

01:26:45.660 Everybody is expected to conform their logos,

01:26:48.260 their language,

01:26:48.880 their words,

01:26:49.420 uh,

01:26:50.340 to match the perceived reality of those suffering from mental illness.

01:26:55.860 Yeah.

01:26:56.360 Yeah.

01:26:56.580 I mean,

01:26:56.840 the whole language is being,

01:26:59.160 getting an echo there.

01:27:03.340 Let's see if it's gone.

01:27:04.800 Okay.

01:27:05.080 I think it's gone now,

01:27:05.960 but yeah,

01:27:06.920 um,

01:27:08.320 we are like literally,

01:27:09.460 you know,

01:27:09.840 conforming our whole lives now.

01:27:13.100 So to do that,

01:27:14.780 like,

01:27:14.960 you know,

01:27:15.880 which is an extreme example.

01:27:17.940 It was an extreme example five years ago.

01:27:20.160 And now it's done gone,

01:27:21.400 um,

01:27:22.820 completely mainstream.

01:27:24.320 Right.

01:27:24.820 I mean,

01:27:25.120 you can,

01:27:25.460 you see,

01:27:25.800 you see like magazines and stuff,

01:27:28.780 you know,

01:27:29.080 are,

01:27:29.480 um,

01:27:30.440 touting,

01:27:30.880 you know,

01:27:31.100 as the woman of the year or something,

01:27:33.000 it'd be like a,

01:27:33.500 a transgender man, 0.85

01:27:34.940 or you'll see,

01:27:36.680 um,

01:27:38.240 um,

01:27:38.720 a male to female tranny winning the women's league and wrestling or something. 1.00

01:27:47.740 I heard about Sam Hyde's most recent victory in Texas.

01:27:52.160 Oh,

01:27:52.760 I haven't seen that.

01:27:53.960 What was it?

01:27:55.040 Wow.

01:27:55.580 People were just beaming.

01:27:56.740 They were putting his face on the,

01:27:57.980 the,

01:27:58.540 the tranny wrestler out of Texas.

01:28:00.860 Oh yeah,

01:28:01.420 that's right.

01:28:01.960 That's what it was.

01:28:02.600 That's where the tranny wrestler I'm thinking of. 1.00

01:28:07.340 Um,

01:28:07.660 um,

01:28:08.720 yeah,

01:28:10.200 we're having,

01:28:11.500 I mean,

01:28:12.160 desegregation of men and women's restrooms is already happening. 0.99

01:28:16.680 It's in,

01:28:17.560 um,

01:28:19.160 little boys toys.

01:28:20.240 You know,

01:28:20.380 they're,

01:28:20.580 they're actually getting rid of,

01:28:21.560 I don't,

01:28:21.960 I've seen some stores where they used to have like,

01:28:23.960 you know,

01:28:24.120 clearly demarc,

01:28:24.980 uh,

01:28:25.260 demarcated,

01:28:25.940 you know,

01:28:26.080 this is for girls,

01:28:27.260 the girls section,

01:28:27.920 this is the boys.

01:28:29.180 And they're trying to get rid of that to conform to this latest,

01:28:32.920 um,

01:28:33.780 novelty.

01:28:34.420 That's one thing about liberalism.

01:28:35.520 It's always generating these novelties.

01:28:37.900 Uh,

01:28:38.340 as soon as one of them,

01:28:39.360 um,

01:28:40.320 is mainstream,

01:28:41.120 then another one will crop up.

01:28:44.240 And then,

01:28:45.000 you know,

01:28:45.440 as it goes mainstream,

01:28:47.540 another one will follow in its stead.

01:28:49.240 It's been like that for 200 years now.

01:28:51.440 We've,

01:28:51.760 we've really been in a permanent state of social revolution for centuries.

01:28:56.360 Yeah,

01:28:56.940 we have.

01:28:57.360 And this is what's occurred is that the,

01:29:00.040 the ideology itself is,

01:29:02.300 is revolution.

01:29:03.380 It's kind of like Trotsky,

01:29:04.440 a perpetual Jacobin is,

01:29:06.240 uh,

01:29:06.600 this eternal deconstruction in critique,

01:29:09.460 this nihilism to nothing.

01:29:10.900 And the purpose of this,

01:29:12.780 my convention is not actually nihilism.

01:29:14.920 It's,

01:29:15.300 but rather it's,

01:29:16.180 it's to,

01:29:16.800 uh,

01:29:17.220 deconstruct and to congenerate the very foundations of the human nature in order to create a new,

01:29:23.520 um,

01:29:24.360 kind of eschatological man and reality upon the edifices of the deconstructed,

01:29:28.640 uh,

01:29:29.080 uh,

01:29:29.380 state.

01:29:31.160 Um,

01:29:31.720 and so this is,

01:29:34.500 uh,

01:29:35.460 and it's important.

01:29:36.280 We did an episode on this before on the distinction between,

01:29:39.160 um,

01:29:40.180 theological revolution and political revolution.

01:29:43.480 And I think that it's very critical to make this distinction because sometimes we run it,

01:29:47.000 uh,

01:29:47.200 especially with more traditionalist Christian thinkers,

01:29:49.480 you run into people who are,

01:29:51.580 they see themselves as the opposite of the,

01:29:53.460 of the,

01:29:54.360 you know,

01:29:54.960 this revolutionary Jacobinism of defending the old order of monarchism and so on.

01:29:58.700 And so they will rebuke anything that is,

01:30:02.000 has a revolutionary,

01:30:02.960 uh,

01:30:04.080 political ethos as a rebellion against natural law.

01:30:08.260 Whereas revolutionarily can mean literally just that,

01:30:11.860 that there,

01:30:12.180 there,

01:30:12.380 it seeks to be a change in the cycle.

01:30:14.100 You can be a,

01:30:15.700 if this,

01:30:16.720 if their status quo is itself a deviation from natural law and you use,

01:30:21.340 um,

01:30:22.160 force,

01:30:23.140 uh,

01:30:23.460 politically,

01:30:23.940 socially,

01:30:24.340 militarily,

01:30:24.900 economically,

01:30:25.420 you engage in warfare by any means to,

01:30:28.680 uh,

01:30:29.840 uh,

01:30:30.440 revolve that cycle or to revert that cycle,

01:30:32.920 you are revolutionary against that regime.

01:30:34.860 There's no shame in using that word. 1.00

01:30:36.440 It doesn't mean that you want chicks with dicks. 1.00

01:30:39.560 Yeah. 1.00

01:30:40.100 Yeah.

01:30:40.280 I mean,

01:30:41.720 that's the,

01:30:42.160 that's the norm,

01:30:42.980 um,

01:30:43.660 right now.

01:30:44.200 That's the mainstream.

01:30:45.140 That's what we have to,

01:30:46.240 um,

01:30:48.120 you know,

01:30:48.840 overthrow and supplant.

01:30:50.300 Cause otherwise,

01:30:51.440 you know,

01:30:51.840 um,

01:30:53.120 and the rate we're going,

01:30:54.240 I'm a shutter for the future of my children.

01:30:56.660 Right.

01:30:58.660 I can't imagine what,

01:30:59.960 uh,

01:31:00.180 my grandchildren will live in.

01:31:02.120 And is this,

01:31:02.720 yeah.

01:31:03.360 Continues to decline and,

01:31:04.760 um,

01:31:06.140 degenerate.

01:31:06.700 Yeah.

01:31:06.860 But yeah,

01:31:07.280 there are there.

01:31:08.140 I know,

01:31:08.360 I know those guys who were,

01:31:10.020 um,

01:31:10.840 anything that's,

01:31:11.920 I guess you could say they're conservative,

01:31:13.540 you know,

01:31:14.260 anything that smacks a revolution is,

01:31:16.280 you know,

01:31:16.520 totally bad,

01:31:17.380 even though we've been living in a permanent state of social revolution and we're just seeking relief from it.

01:31:24.500 And they'll automatically condemn that.

01:31:27.680 And I've,

01:31:28.100 I've encountered those people before.

01:31:29.840 Yeah.

01:31:30.280 It's,

01:31:30.700 uh,

01:31:31.000 so have I.

01:31:33.040 Anyway,

01:31:33.600 and so I think,

01:31:34.460 uh,

01:31:34.640 anyway,

01:31:35.200 there's no sense in dwelling on that.

01:31:37.240 And so what happens is when,

01:31:38.740 um,

01:31:39.220 the ego is enthroned as the sole articulating factor,

01:31:42.880 um,

01:31:43.700 of truth in society and the legitimizing factor of,

01:31:46.560 of morality,

01:31:47.820 um,

01:31:49.260 that that means whoever,

01:31:50.180 as we discussed,

01:31:50.800 whoever can control and influence the ego of man,

01:31:53.500 which is,

01:31:54.200 um,

01:31:55.740 it's Christian theological worldview that it's corrupt, 0.67

01:31:57.500 it tends towards, 0.68

01:31:58.600 uh,

01:31:59.200 sin to,

01:31:59.700 uh,

01:32:00.420 to evil.

01:32:01.340 And I mean,

01:32:01.820 even most atheists will agree with this,

01:32:03.760 that, 0.99

01:32:03.980 that human beings are kind of shitty and they do all sorts of strange and, 0.99

01:32:08.220 and, 0.99

01:32:08.320 and messed up things.

01:32:09.320 This is kind of common sense,

01:32:10.800 even if they don't want to send to the theological implications of that,

01:32:14.200 uh,

01:32:15.840 that humans have problems.

01:32:18.840 Uh,

01:32:19.380 yeah,

01:32:20.300 that's why we,

01:32:20.960 you know,

01:32:21.200 how,

01:32:21.560 you know,

01:32:21.780 use that moral education because it was understood that,

01:32:25.520 I mean,

01:32:26.600 you,

01:32:27.020 you,

01:32:27.500 people,

01:32:28.140 you know,

01:32:28.360 you know,

01:32:28.580 we're naturally,

01:32:29.480 um,

01:32:30.420 without guidance,

01:32:31.440 you know,

01:32:31.700 would,

01:32:32.680 without moral guidance would,

01:32:34.140 you know,

01:32:34.260 not live in a way conducive to civilization and,

01:32:38.080 um,

01:32:38.320 good order.

01:32:39.300 And,

01:32:39.800 you know,

01:32:39.960 with,

01:32:40.320 you know,

01:32:40.860 the triumph of liberalism,

01:32:42.100 we've completely jettisoned from that,

01:32:43.860 from our culture.

01:32:44.600 We,

01:32:44.860 well,

01:32:46.060 technically,

01:32:47.220 um,

01:32:48.040 we've,

01:32:48.780 it was like a,

01:32:49.480 um,

01:32:49.940 I guess you would say a process where,

01:32:51.540 you know,

01:32:51.680 we were going to be,

01:32:52.360 you know,

01:32:53.700 agnostic about,

01:32:54.760 um,

01:32:55.200 what is good and leave it up to the individual.

01:32:58.540 And we've kind of shifted from that phase of liberalism to the phase where,

01:33:02.000 no,

01:33:03.200 um,

01:33:04.220 the orthodoxy of political correctness is absolutely,

01:33:07.000 you know,

01:33:08.100 true.

01:33:08.400 And you must obey it under all circumstances.

01:33:11.460 And we'll use authoritarian means to,

01:33:13.520 um,

01:33:14.100 impose it on you. 1.00

01:33:15.760 Because liberalism is kind of the scum to that, 1.00

01:33:17.940 you know? 1.00

01:33:18.980 Yeah.

01:33:19.520 Uh,

01:33:19.740 and this goes back to,

01:33:20.680 I think a concept that is,

01:33:22.020 um,

01:33:23.200 that I've talked about before.

01:33:24.180 And then I think that's very critical to understand is that,

01:33:26.600 um,

01:33:28.180 unnatural and revolutionary,

01:33:30.160 revolutionary systems of thought worldviews,

01:33:32.180 worldviews because their very essence is the negation of essence or is deviant from that,

01:33:39.600 uh,

01:33:40.340 whole and healthy,

01:33:41.440 real logos and spiritual order of the universe.

01:33:44.760 The greater that they become,

01:33:46.860 the,

01:33:47.240 the larger,

01:33:47.820 the edifice,

01:33:49.320 uh,

01:33:50.380 they,

01:33:50.860 they're,

01:33:51.080 they don't get more logical.

01:33:52.200 They don't get more stable as they get larger,

01:33:54.260 but rather they become more corrupt.

01:33:55.880 You can think of it as a,

01:33:57.380 a golem or a,

01:33:59.020 you know,

01:33:59.340 sort of a zombie that's necromantically animated.

01:34:02.980 The larger the zombified form is,

01:34:05.580 and the greater the extent of its operation,

01:34:08.460 it doesn't become more human-like,

01:34:10.080 but rather it degenerates further.

01:34:12.080 The dark energy which propels it and which animates it needs to become ever more and more acute,

01:34:18.580 uh,

01:34:19.000 to propel this,

01:34:20.360 uh,

01:34:21.180 unholy and unnatural edifice onwards towards its dark ends,

01:34:24.940 right?

01:34:25.580 And so that's what happens is liberalism can't,

01:34:28.300 you know,

01:34:28.480 I think the perfect example,

01:34:29.860 perfect,

01:34:30.200 perfect example is the American revolution,

01:34:31.720 uh,

01:34:32.940 because the American revolution in many ways played on things that were already organic and present to Anglo-Saxon political culture.

01:34:41.820 That's very true.

01:34:43.080 Right.

01:34:43.480 Correct.

01:34:44.220 And,

01:34:44.660 and,

01:34:44.960 uh,

01:34:45.100 this is something that I've talked about many times,

01:34:46.920 uh,

01:34:47.540 on this podcast.

01:34:48.460 And one of the things that I have a lot of common cause with Southerners and Southern nationalists is that,

01:34:53.800 uh,

01:34:54.020 we need to recognize and to embrace the organic,

01:34:57.960 um,

01:34:59.120 and historical unique traditions of Anglo-Saxon political liberty and common law and so on.

01:35:05.200 Yeah.

01:35:05.600 I mean,

01:35:05.780 a lot,

01:35:05.960 a lot of this stuff that,

01:35:06.920 you know,

01:35:07.180 was a lot of this stuff was,

01:35:09.640 you know,

01:35:09.760 just part of the,

01:35:10.600 hold on a second,

01:35:12.540 um,

01:35:13.040 was part of the Anglo-Saxon tradition,

01:35:17.200 you know?

01:35:18.300 And like,

01:35:18.980 you know,

01:35:19.120 you had the rights of Englishmen and you had the common law and,

01:35:22.360 um,

01:35:25.240 that was kind of like,

01:35:27.740 you know,

01:35:28.140 in the 18th century,

01:35:30.580 a lot,

01:35:30.860 a lot of stuff that was,

01:35:31.620 you know,

01:35:31.760 just purely traditional was local to,

01:35:33.760 uh,

01:35:33.960 Englishmen was, 0.57

01:35:35.580 you know,

01:35:35.740 set up on,

01:35:36.400 set on a,

01:35:37.020 um,

01:35:38.580 universalistic,

01:35:39.520 you know,

01:35:40.460 enlightenment basis.

01:35:42.800 And that,

01:35:43.440 you know,

01:35:43.660 liberal look now,

01:35:44.760 now everything,

01:35:45.980 you know,

01:35:46.340 um,

01:35:47.260 had to be liberated.

01:35:48.320 You know,

01:35:48.460 everything was equal.

01:35:52.860 Let me go here.

01:35:55.520 Just got in my car.

01:35:57.480 Yeah,

01:35:57.920 that's all right.

01:35:58.440 No,

01:35:58.600 no,

01:35:58.740 it's,

01:35:59.220 uh,

01:35:59.460 that's exactly correct.

01:36:00.400 It was the universalization of a particular local political tradition.

01:36:04.820 Yeah.

01:36:05.580 Um,

01:36:07.340 and this is a,

01:36:08.120 it's funny.

01:36:08.580 Like,

01:36:08.760 this is like one real,

01:36:10.280 like legitimate country,

01:36:11.440 you know,

01:36:11.980 uh,

01:36:12.220 critique that leftists are,

01:36:13.460 are right in,

01:36:14.100 in the,

01:36:15.040 except that they can subscribe to just an advanced form of the same ideology of that,

01:36:18.860 the kind of the liberal enlightenment hubris of the,

01:36:22.220 of ethnocentrism,

01:36:23.100 uh,

01:36:23.680 and,

01:36:24.120 or not even,

01:36:24.640 you know,

01:36:24.820 Western centrism.

01:36:26.860 Um,

01:36:28.900 you know,

01:36:29.200 and so,

01:36:29.580 there's a lot,

01:36:30.180 there's a lot of truth to that.

01:36:31.360 I mean,

01:36:31.680 I mean,

01:36:32.440 for example,

01:36:32.840 if you look at Nietzsche's critique of,

01:36:34.760 of,

01:36:35.740 um,

01:36:37.260 the,

01:36:37.660 you know,

01:36:37.740 the enlightenment philosophers and stuff and their project that,

01:36:41.000 you know,

01:36:41.120 he was saying,

01:36:42.740 you know,

01:36:42.920 what was a very peculiar,

01:36:44.860 peculiar culture to,

01:36:47.900 uh,

01:36:48.600 Northern and Western Europe was, 0.94

01:36:50.560 you know,

01:36:51.900 made out to be like this universalist,

01:36:53.880 um,

01:36:55.100 thing,

01:36:55.760 right.

01:36:57.020 And that we were blinded,

01:36:59.100 you know,

01:36:59.260 the enlightenment kind of blinded us to our own traditions.

01:37:01.980 Yeah.

01:37:04.260 And,

01:37:04.580 you know,

01:37:04.740 our own traditions and point of views was naturalized.

01:37:09.840 Absolutely.

01:37:10.800 Yeah.

01:37:11.300 That,

01:37:11.560 and this is a great difficulty and it's,

01:37:13.700 uh,

01:37:14.600 I think it's very unfortunate.

01:37:16.560 Um,

01:37:17.040 and I,

01:37:17.640 I think that the,

01:37:18.360 the challenge of the future and one of the reasons why I,

01:37:21.420 um,

01:37:22.620 you know,

01:37:22.860 call myself a fascist or national socialist is because I think that there is the,

01:37:27.940 the challenge of the modern age is that we have to adopt these traditional,

01:37:31.540 political modes,

01:37:32.460 uh,

01:37:33.140 to the circumstances that are afforded by postmodern,

01:37:35.620 uh,

01:37:35.900 post-industrial society,

01:37:37.000 you know,

01:37:38.080 and the great difficulty is that in a pre-industrial era,

01:37:41.180 there are all of these fairly successful perennial forms of government,

01:37:45.500 which,

01:37:46.600 um,

01:37:47.260 need to be radically kind of adapted,

01:37:49.440 although not altered in their essence,

01:37:50.960 but applied differently in the modern age where we have things like mass communication

01:37:55.120 and mass warfare,

01:37:56.080 uh,

01:37:56.940 and so on.

01:37:57.540 and so like,

01:37:58.320 uh,

01:37:58.840 just a perfect example in the instance of the United States is I would say to

01:38:02.280 monarchists present me your sacral lineage to be anointed with the oil of the

01:38:07.040 Holy spirit,

01:38:08.000 you know,

01:38:09.940 show me.

01:38:10.960 And,

01:38:11.140 and that's,

01:38:12.620 that's one question is whether,

01:38:13.700 you know,

01:38:13.840 technology itself is what has undermined this.

01:38:16.880 And one thing I was curious about and I've written about in the past is that,

01:38:20.300 uh,

01:38:20.500 I mean,

01:38:21.520 I know that,

01:38:22.320 um,

01:38:23.520 you know,

01:38:23.920 over in,

01:38:24.660 um,

01:38:25.680 say Saudi Arabia or,

01:38:27.460 um,

01:38:28.480 especially,

01:38:29.060 you know,

01:38:29.680 Qatar,

01:38:30.500 you know,

01:38:31.180 they've managed to combine,

01:38:32.480 combine Islamic fundamentalism with modern technology over there.

01:38:36.820 Um,

01:38:37.540 I mean,

01:38:37.840 isn't,

01:38:38.320 um,

01:38:39.340 what is it?

01:38:40.800 What is it?

01:38:41.500 What is that city over there?

01:38:42.480 I'm thinking of in,

01:38:43.580 uh,

01:38:43.740 Qatar.

01:38:45.660 It's,

01:38:46.260 um,

01:38:47.200 you know,

01:38:47.380 it's controlled by a monarchy,

01:38:48.340 right?

01:38:49.560 Yeah.

01:38:49.960 Well,

01:38:50.380 there's several,

01:38:50.800 they're all,

01:38:51.180 they're all,

01:38:51.560 uh,

01:38:52.140 petty sheepdoms.

01:38:54.000 No,

01:38:54.200 Dubai,

01:38:54.880 Dubai.

01:38:55.600 Yeah.

01:38:56.920 Um,

01:38:57.240 and they have a very conservative,

01:38:59.460 uh,

01:39:00.020 culture there,

01:39:00.520 you know,

01:39:00.720 you have skyscrapers and everything.

01:39:02.480 And,

01:39:02.580 um,

01:39:04.320 it seems like they've navigated,

01:39:05.860 uh,

01:39:06.860 that better than we have.

01:39:09.560 Yeah,

01:39:10.040 I would agree.

01:39:10.480 Well,

01:39:10.580 that's because Islam has, 0.99

01:39:11.880 um,

01:39:12.380 an integrated political,

01:39:13.340 uh,

01:39:14.140 ideology.

01:39:15.240 Um,

01:39:16.160 and that it was never,

01:39:17.860 um,

01:39:18.280 it was never subjected to nominalism,

01:39:19.820 where there was the divorce of,

01:39:21.280 you know,

01:39:22.420 the scripture and the dogma from the living tradition of the,

01:39:26.840 the,

01:39:27.180 the community of the prophet and the civilizational military edifice that was built upon.

01:39:32.340 Um,

01:39:33.720 with Christianity,

01:39:34.320 there was,

01:39:34.980 and it's basically because of,

01:39:36.860 I mean,

01:39:37.320 it's unfortunately it's because of the fall of Rome,

01:39:38.980 which happened because the Muslims conquered it.

01:39:40.620 it's,

01:39:40.760 it's,

01:39:41.800 it's,

01:39:42.800 it's,

01:39:42.900 it's,

01:39:42.960 it's,

01:39:42.980 it's,

01:39:43.480 right,

01:39:44.600 uh,

01:39:44.920 where we didn't start out with that.

01:39:46.960 Greek Orthodox there,

01:39:48.320 right?

01:39:48.740 Um,

01:39:49.080 yeah,

01:39:49.520 well,

01:39:49.640 you are the universal,

01:39:50.920 universal orthodoxy,

01:39:52.220 right?

01:39:52.560 Uh,

01:39:52.780 there was a unified Roman,

01:39:54.480 you know,

01:39:55.260 political,

01:39:55.860 uh,

01:39:57.320 you know,

01:39:57.600 yeah,

01:39:57.740 yeah,

01:39:58.000 that's,

01:39:58.380 yeah.

01:40:00.400 Um,

01:40:00.720 but,

01:40:02.860 but I think we're good getting back here.

01:40:04.900 And so the,

01:40:05.980 uh,

01:40:06.400 with idolatry.

01:40:07.200 And so,

01:40:07.540 yeah.

01:40:07.920 And so whatever you've put in the void to compensate for the lack of your day,

01:40:11.960 of the deity,

01:40:13.180 um,

01:40:13.620 will become your day in the sense that it is the arbitrating pole and center of your worldview upon which your interaction and appreciation of all other things are conditioned.

01:40:24.440 There's no such thing as kind of brute facts that are just there in the universe that are independently apprehended without,

01:40:29.660 um,

01:40:31.200 a framework,

01:40:32.180 right?

01:40:32.540 Without a framework.

01:40:33.580 Exactly.

01:40:34.040 Even the scientific method itself is a framework.

01:40:35.980 That's why there's a philosophy of science.

01:40:39.180 Echoing here again,

01:40:40.140 uh,

01:40:40.320 I completely,

01:40:40.640 I completely agree with you.

01:40:41.580 You know,

01:40:41.780 if you displace God,

01:40:42.980 you replace God with your, 0.99

01:40:44.440 your own ego as the,

01:40:45.880 you know,

01:40:46.060 the arbiter of your actions.

01:40:48.320 I mean,

01:40:48.940 I've interact with those people on a daily basis.

01:40:52.840 It seems,

01:40:53.320 um,

01:40:54.640 yeah,

01:40:55.400 unfortunately.

01:40:57.580 Yeah.

01:40:58.080 And,

01:40:58.320 and I mean,

01:40:58.740 ultimately will,

01:41:00.100 will people will,

01:41:00.900 will seek something out to legitimize the,

01:41:03.340 that effort,

01:41:04.280 you know,

01:41:04.460 so usually it's a political ideology.

01:41:05.960 Or a racial identity or something like that.

01:41:09.360 Um,

01:41:10.160 and so,

01:41:11.000 and this is one of the reasons why I've been extremely,

01:41:13.220 extremely critical of esoteric Hitlerism.

01:41:15.440 Okay.

01:41:16.140 Of which there were many,

01:41:17.440 because of all,

01:41:19.680 you know,

01:41:19.900 I have some friends who I had,

01:41:21.700 I have a,

01:41:22.300 you know,

01:41:22.460 a good friend who,

01:41:23.300 you know,

01:41:23.440 is an esoteric Hitlerist. 0.53

01:41:24.880 I continue.

01:41:25.660 I'm interested in hearing what you have to say on the subject.

01:41:27.540 Uh,

01:41:27.800 and so do I,

01:41:28.480 I have friends who are esoteric Hitlerists. 0.97

01:41:30.500 Um,

01:41:30.780 but,

01:41:31.000 uh,

01:41:31.080 my contention has always been that it's essentially,

01:41:33.180 um,

01:41:34.060 just,

01:41:34.540 just theologizing,

01:41:36.300 like a,

01:41:37.300 a political ideology and worldview and just trying to give like a theological assertion to prop up,

01:41:42.640 um,

01:41:43.460 a political ideology.

01:41:44.560 And I mean,

01:41:45.080 I applaud the honesty because these guys realize that there's a necessity for that spiritualized worldview.

01:41:50.740 Um,

01:41:51.100 but I think it,

01:41:51.960 Savitri Devi was at least honest enough to go to India and like be a Hindu and marry a brown dude. 1.00

01:41:58.280 Okay.

01:41:59.720 Yeah.

01:42:00.420 And then make the theological assertion that Adolf Hitler was the ninth avatar of Vishnu.

01:42:05.940 Okay.

01:42:07.660 Um,

01:42:08.240 that's,

01:42:08.500 that's an interesting,

01:42:09.640 complex,

01:42:10.200 um,

01:42:10.880 argument.

01:42:12.640 Um,

01:42:13.480 what do you think,

01:42:14.140 what do you think it's,

01:42:14.980 I mean,

01:42:15.480 even where we're at now,

01:42:17.000 I mean,

01:42:18.400 you know,

01:42:18.700 with this very nihilistic vein in the,

01:42:22.440 both alt-right and,

01:42:23.540 you know,

01:42:23.900 the far-right in general,

01:42:26.240 what,

01:42:27.600 what do you,

01:42:28.060 I mean,

01:42:28.340 um,

01:42:28.540 that's what I'm really like looking for,

01:42:29.880 um,

01:42:31.340 in terms of solutions.

01:42:32.840 Um,

01:42:33.540 yeah,

01:42:34.220 good question.

01:42:34.680 What direction should people go in?

01:42:35.920 Um,

01:42:38.160 my,

01:42:38.320 my assertion would be,

01:42:40.060 um,

01:42:40.880 I'm,

01:42:41.140 I'm trying to,

01:42:41.840 trying to be a priest,

01:42:42.800 not a politician,

01:42:43.420 because I think that the only solution is not ideological,

01:42:45.780 but it's spiritual fundamentally,

01:42:47.280 because I think that there is a matter of the heart and that it's,

01:42:51.720 you know,

01:42:52.500 perception and acknowledgement of,

01:42:54.100 of absolute truth,

01:42:55.220 you know,

01:42:55.400 and the predicates that are required to sustain a,

01:42:57.960 an integrated worldview and philosophy of right and wrong.

01:43:01.440 These things are accepted,

01:43:02.640 not on the basis of,

01:43:03.880 of arguments,

01:43:05.340 but on the basis of,

01:43:06.760 of your spiritual constitution of your heart,

01:43:09.760 you know?

01:43:10.400 Um,

01:43:10.840 and so that's why I think that the only thing that's capable of,

01:43:13.680 of changing men's hearts is,

01:43:15.540 um,

01:43:16.360 the grace of Jesus Christ in his church.

01:43:19.300 Uh,

01:43:19.780 and that's what I think is ultimately like the real solution to not just our

01:43:23.800 problem in the far right,

01:43:24.560 but our civilizations issue,

01:43:26.360 generally speaking,

01:43:27.260 there's an extremely pithy quote by St.

01:43:29.300 John Chrysostom to this effect.

01:43:30.760 And,

01:43:30.980 um,

01:43:32.060 I'll leave it.

01:43:32.660 This is from on living simply sermon.

01:43:35.200 Uh,

01:43:37.120 it's 27.

01:43:39.280 Should we look to kings and princes to put to right the inequalities between rich

01:43:43.200 and poor?

01:43:43.960 Should we require soldiers to come and seize the rich person's gold and

01:43:47.340 distributed among his destitute neighbors?

01:43:49.640 Should we beg the emperor to impose a tax upon the rich so great that it

01:43:53.500 reduces them to the level of the poor and then to share the proceeds of the

01:43:56.500 tax among everyone?

01:43:58.160 Equality imposed by force would achieve nothing and do much harm.

01:44:01.320 Those who combined both cruel hearts and sharp minds would soon find ways of

01:44:05.920 making themselves rich again.

01:44:07.680 Worse still,

01:44:08.580 the rich whose gold was taken away would feel bitter and resentful,

01:44:11.800 while the poor who received the gold from the hands of the soldiers would feel

01:44:14.420 no gratitude because no generosity would have prompted such a gift.

01:44:18.280 From the beginning,

01:44:20.040 moral benefit to society,

01:44:21.760 it would actually do much moral harm.

01:44:24.120 Material justice cannot be accomplished by compulsion.

01:44:26.720 A change of heart will not follow.

01:44:28.380 The only way to achieve true justice is to change people's hearts first and then

01:44:32.860 they will joyfully share their wealth.

01:44:37.300 So that's,

01:44:37.680 you know,

01:44:37.960 that's a story of the 20th century there.

01:44:40.880 That's it.

01:44:41.920 And that's,

01:44:42.500 that's,

01:44:42.820 that's,

01:44:43.120 that's the fundamental problem in that the,

01:44:45.020 the,

01:44:45.260 the solution in it's really,

01:44:47.460 you know,

01:44:47.740 it's trite,

01:44:48.300 but it's that my solution is Christ.

01:44:50.440 Um,

01:44:51.040 because I think that the,

01:44:52.200 the root of,

01:44:54.060 it's all,

01:44:54.880 all politics is personal.

01:44:56.120 It's between people.

01:44:57.400 It's how we regulate our conduct between ourselves.

01:44:59.720 And the 20th century and,

01:45:01.760 and,

01:45:02.200 and industrial society has given rise to the idea of,

01:45:04.680 of the masses.

01:45:05.860 Um,

01:45:06.340 and,

01:45:06.580 and it has specifically inculcated a policy of the depersonalization of the

01:45:11.420 masses of society,

01:45:12.460 the reduction of them to an organic formless blob to make them easier to

01:45:15.540 control.

01:45:17.260 Whereas Christianity has always been a profoundly personal religion.

01:45:20.220 In fact,

01:45:20.780 that's what there's three persons in the God,

01:45:22.540 one God.

01:45:23.280 I mean,

01:45:23.520 it's good.

01:45:24.200 You can't give a bunch more personal of the universe and cosmology than

01:45:27.340 that.

01:45:28.600 Right.

01:45:29.220 Um,

01:45:29.560 and it's this,

01:45:30.320 this emphasis on the person and the personal virtue and deification,

01:45:33.620 which is at the source of its greatness and its,

01:45:37.180 uh,

01:45:37.880 integrity.

01:45:38.900 And so my solution really is,

01:45:41.440 uh,

01:45:41.660 you know,

01:45:42.540 uh,

01:45:43.260 go to church,

01:45:44.160 you know,

01:45:44.580 really become,

01:45:45.120 become Orthodox,

01:45:46.400 right?

01:45:47.300 Just try.

01:45:47.800 Uh,

01:45:48.240 and,

01:45:49.500 and,

01:45:49.800 and,

01:45:49.820 you know,

01:45:50.160 uh,

01:45:50.640 and,

01:45:50.940 and,

01:45:51.340 and the big thing is just that it's a mystical thing,

01:45:53.740 really.

01:45:54.340 And,

01:45:54.440 uh,

01:45:54.940 it's about the mystical worship of Jesus Christ and the grace that he

01:45:59.580 affords.

01:46:00.380 You read the first chapter,

01:46:02.120 the gospel of John,

01:46:03.160 uh,

01:46:03.600 it says very clearly that Jesus Christ came so that men could become sons of

01:46:07.460 God.

01:46:09.900 And I've been listening through,

01:46:12.300 there's a,

01:46:12.680 I'll say this and I'll give it right back over to you because I'm really keen to

01:46:15.640 hear your thoughts as well.

01:46:17.020 I've been listening to this.

01:46:17.800 This history lecture called a history of Europe from its origins by Joseph

01:46:20.620 Hogarty.

01:46:21.760 Who's kind of a bit of a liberal,

01:46:23.260 but he's certainly critical of,

01:46:25.000 um,

01:46:26.140 you know,

01:46:26.560 a lot of the modern clap trap,

01:46:28.000 but he goes through from the,

01:46:30.520 basically from Constantine to the fall of Constantinople,

01:46:33.120 tracing the origin of the Mediterranean and Christian civilization.

01:46:38.240 And this is what,

01:46:39.180 when I was younger is what converted me to Christianity and what really kind of

01:46:42.000 made me,

01:46:42.720 I guess a nationalist is when I learned the history of our own civilization.

01:46:46.260 Although ironically,

01:46:47.400 this historian is neither Christian nor a nationalist.

01:46:50.640 Um,

01:46:51.480 yeah,

01:46:51.640 yeah.

01:46:52.040 And it's,

01:46:53.080 of course,

01:46:53.920 right.

01:46:54.620 Um,

01:46:54.840 but anyway,

01:46:55.400 my point is just that the foundation of our civilization is Christian.

01:46:59.840 And for like a thousand years,

01:47:02.160 that's what the Europe is.

01:47:03.280 Europe is Christendom.

01:47:04.500 The West is Christendom.

01:47:06.840 Uh,

01:47:07.680 and the classical civilization was inherited by Christendom.

01:47:11.960 That's an objective historical fact.

01:47:14.060 And you might be able to critique it,

01:47:15.620 but you can't,

01:47:16.340 you know,

01:47:16.500 there's a historiography that's real,

01:47:18.180 uh, 0.96

01:47:18.380 and it's your ignorance if you deny it. 0.89

01:47:21.040 So I've just,

01:47:22.580 my proposal is that we return to the core values and logos of the ancient world,

01:47:26.860 which enabled it to thrive and which produced empires,

01:47:29.300 which escaped the cycle of rise and fall of civilization like Eastern Rome.

01:47:33.440 yeah.

01:47:35.020 Well,

01:47:35.340 one thing,

01:47:36.620 you know,

01:47:36.860 that a lot of these,

01:47:37.620 you know,

01:47:38.140 these nihilists are rejecting is,

01:47:40.140 um,

01:47:40.940 the modern incarnation of Christianity as we're all familiar with.

01:47:45.640 Yeah.

01:47:46.440 Uh,

01:47:47.140 which is,

01:47:47.740 it's a very,

01:47:48.360 Christianity is a very, 1.00

01:47:49.500 um,

01:47:50.860 in America,

01:47:51.580 I would say a very hidden thing in that,

01:47:54.140 like what we call Christianity.

01:47:55.960 And it took me a long,

01:47:57.160 it took me many years to understand this.

01:47:59.860 And I only understood it through,

01:48:01.660 you know,

01:48:02.880 my,

01:48:03.440 historical research and,

01:48:06.000 um,

01:48:07.280 tracing things and trying to get at the root of things is that,

01:48:10.500 you know,

01:48:10.620 what we call Christianity in the United States has been so corrupted by

01:48:14.840 Americanism. 1.00

01:48:16.440 It's ridiculous. 0.99

01:48:17.680 It's not even, 0.88

01:48:18.420 um,

01:48:19.620 it's,

01:48:19.900 it's not even funny.

01:48:20.760 I mean,

01:48:20.980 like the churches in,

01:48:22.400 you know,

01:48:22.700 the United States,

01:48:23.460 they could,

01:48:24.980 it's,

01:48:25.240 it's not like the dominant Christianity in our,

01:48:28.140 you know,

01:48:28.380 like you said,

01:48:28.840 it's the bedrock or our civilization,

01:48:30.280 the foundation of our civilization.

01:48:31.220 You can't even really understand,

01:48:32.880 Western civilization without understanding the Bible, 0.96

01:48:36.180 without understanding Christianity and the Christian tradition.

01:48:39.860 Um,

01:48:40.420 but like,

01:48:41.440 you know,

01:48:41.640 whereas it used to be the dominant Christianity,

01:48:43.280 used to be the dominant culture.

01:48:46.200 Now it's kind of like a subordinate culture, 0.99

01:48:48.840 right?

01:48:49.120 It's conforming.

01:48:50.000 Um,

01:48:50.420 the churches conformed to the secular mainstream,

01:48:53.100 which as we all know is controlled by that certain group,

01:48:57.140 um,

01:48:57.860 who doesn't even have to be named here because everybody knows who that group

01:49:01.420 is.

01:49:03.020 Um,

01:49:03.680 and a lot of people like,

01:49:04.640 I hate, 0.99

01:49:05.140 I hate Finnish people so much. 1.00

01:49:07.000 Just, 0.99

01:49:07.720 yeah,

01:49:08.000 thank you.

01:49:08.560 so much.

01:49:09.540 And so,

01:49:10.220 yeah,

01:49:12.360 um,

01:49:13.060 people are kind of like,

01:49:13.880 you know,

01:49:14.020 that's the kind of Christianity that they encounter.

01:49:16.060 That's the kind of Christianity they react to.

01:49:18.120 It's not like anything like you've,

01:49:20.380 you know,

01:49:20.620 you've described it.

01:49:21.560 It's this,

01:49:23.100 you know,

01:49:23.720 I mean,

01:49:24.020 like look at the prosperity gospel guys,

01:49:26.200 right?

01:49:26.840 Um,

01:49:27.160 these huge evangelical mega churches.

01:49:30.740 Jesus wants you to be a millionaire.

01:49:33.420 All this stuff.

01:49:34.780 Yeah.

01:49:35.180 And it's kind of easy to see how people can like react to that and like,

01:49:40.560 Oh,

01:49:40.800 well,

01:49:41.220 you know,

01:49:41.880 maybe Nietzsche had it right.

01:49:43.980 Well,

01:49:44.300 I think Nietzsche was right in his critiques of bourgeois Christianity.

01:49:47.280 Yeah.

01:49:47.640 Yeah.

01:49:47.800 He was,

01:49:48.100 he was very,

01:49:48.760 you know,

01:49:48.960 any honest Christian has to, 0.75

01:49:51.280 has to admit that.

01:49:52.240 Right.

01:49:52.400 And that's why Nietzsche,

01:49:53.860 Nietzsche,

01:49:54.280 his brilliance is in his,

01:49:55.160 is in his prophecy and his acuteness of the understanding of the modern world and

01:49:59.040 where it would go.

01:49:59.800 That's why he's worthwhile.

01:50:02.080 It's because I mean,

01:50:02.980 that's,

01:50:03.300 that's why,

01:50:03.840 you know,

01:50:04.020 there was something to this.

01:50:05.480 This was something I was being told here,

01:50:07.800 you know,

01:50:08.000 especially,

01:50:08.540 you know,

01:50:09.260 this whole thing and the genealogy of morality.

01:50:11.620 And,

01:50:11.880 um,

01:50:13.320 you can see,

01:50:13.920 you can look at the GM and you can look at like,

01:50:15.500 um,

01:50:16.120 the whole morality of like,

01:50:17.220 for example,

01:50:17.700 racism,

01:50:18.380 for example,

01:50:19.660 something was completely concocted and,

01:50:21.700 um,

01:50:23.360 invented out of thin air.

01:50:24.580 And,

01:50:25.040 you know,

01:50:26.220 it was one of the things you got to give Nietzsche credit.

01:50:29.220 You know,

01:50:29.480 once I was able to understand that,

01:50:31.320 you know,

01:50:31.560 I just didn't believe that had anything to do with morality.

01:50:34.020 And where I've never acted that way since,

01:50:36.900 I mean,

01:50:37.400 all these modern taboos and stuff are nothing to do with morality and we've lost touch with morality.

01:50:43.700 And,

01:50:44.020 uh,

01:50:46.220 I've,

01:50:46.580 you know,

01:50:46.800 neglected the subject for many years.

01:50:48.620 So I'm just now getting back into it and,

01:50:50.460 um,

01:50:50.960 doing my research.

01:50:51.840 and you are far more like a thought,

01:50:55.600 thought a lot more in detail about it.

01:50:57.460 Um,

01:50:57.880 you give me a lot of food for thought here.

01:50:59.740 Um,

01:51:00.200 think about quite honestly.

01:51:02.140 Oh,

01:51:02.480 well,

01:51:02.600 I appreciate that.

01:51:03.800 Um,

01:51:04.600 yeah,

01:51:05.720 I mean,

01:51:06.660 we've got to,

01:51:07.960 I think,

01:51:08.260 I think,

01:51:08.560 you know,

01:51:08.740 we've got to find some way to,

01:51:10.120 um,

01:51:11.200 resurrect the idea that,

01:51:12.640 you know,

01:51:12.800 morality is moral virtue and conforming to,

01:51:16.560 uh,

01:51:16.780 divine law.

01:51:17.520 And we've got to find some way to make that for that to make sense to,

01:51:21.520 uh,

01:51:22.020 my list.

01:51:23.140 Well,

01:51:23.740 I,

01:51:24.000 uh,

01:51:24.260 my,

01:51:24.740 my proposal has always been that the one surefire thing you can do is have a family.

01:51:29.440 Um,

01:51:30.340 and that,

01:51:31.140 I mean that,

01:51:32.100 that if we're,

01:51:32.700 if we're serious,

01:51:33.660 anybody listening to this,

01:51:34.960 this podcast is serious about the survival of their people and the success.

01:51:39.460 This program is because I'm living in North America.

01:51:41.980 I usually talk about the North American context.

01:51:44.400 If you're interested in the long-term survival of the European peoples,

01:51:47.420 on the North American continent,

01:51:48.560 then you're playing a 200 degree game.

01:51:50.280 I mean,

01:51:50.620 unless Christ comes back.

01:51:51.740 Okay.

01:51:52.700 I'd be right,

01:51:53.500 but you can't,

01:51:54.160 you can't bank on that one.

01:51:55.280 Right.

01:51:56.280 Um,

01:51:56.900 you know,

01:51:58.140 and so the,

01:51:59.560 uh,

01:52:01.180 the,

01:52:02.120 the real successful long-term thing you can do is you can have a family and you can

01:52:06.380 raise them in a healthy manner.

01:52:08.160 And because our worldviews are true and they're in accordance with natural law,

01:52:12.520 uh,

01:52:13.120 if you have a patriarchal family,

01:52:14.820 you know,

01:52:15.080 that's the foundation of,

01:52:16.640 the state right there,

01:52:18.380 the social unit.

01:52:19.460 Right.

01:52:19.920 And I mean,

01:52:20.320 if you have five kids,

01:52:21.720 if you have five kids and you're,

01:52:23.140 you inculcate in them this pro-life worldview,

01:52:25.760 I mean,

01:52:25.980 you can live to see,

01:52:27.140 uh,

01:52:28.220 the seeds of a nation spring from your loins like Abraham. 0.97

01:52:33.140 Yeah,

01:52:33.560 I guess,

01:52:33.920 I guess it'll be up to,

01:52:35.040 um,

01:52:35.400 some of us to kind of preserve the remnants of Western civilization and reignite the flame

01:52:43.120 of it.

01:52:43.440 You know,

01:52:43.700 as this crisis comes upon us,

01:52:46.000 I would say this crisis of what this,

01:52:48.640 you know,

01:52:48.840 is not holistic,

01:52:49.460 um,

01:52:51.400 hedonistic worldview is produced both in terms of,

01:52:54.900 of,

01:52:55.240 of demographics.

01:52:56.000 And,

01:52:56.560 um,

01:52:57.860 people are looking,

01:52:58.560 people are out there looking for answers.

01:53:01.800 And,

01:53:02.280 um,

01:53:03.100 we've got,

01:53:03.720 I think it's our job to kind of like be a vanguard here and show them a viable alternative.

01:53:10.400 Like this is this,

01:53:11.340 this,

01:53:11.640 we went through this catastrophic phase of our civilization,

01:53:15.180 but we need to get in touch with our roots.

01:53:18.200 And this is what our roots are.

01:53:19.640 This is what morality was before it was displaced by all this other stuff.

01:53:24.160 Yeah,

01:53:26.260 I totally agree with you.

01:53:27.320 And I think that the,

01:53:28.000 the,

01:53:28.260 the fall of our civilization has been precisely because there's been a failure of the,

01:53:32.560 the right wing vanguard.

01:53:33.960 Um,

01:53:34.600 you know,

01:53:34.940 it's,

01:53:35.220 it's,

01:53:35.540 it's because we're not willing to have our eyes plucked out over theological disputes.

01:53:39.320 That's the issue.

01:53:40.300 Okay.

01:53:40.980 That's,

01:53:41.440 that's the problem.

01:53:42.920 Um,

01:53:43.600 it's,

01:53:43.940 it's,

01:53:44.280 it's,

01:53:44.400 it's,

01:53:44.700 it's hard to get,

01:53:45.540 um,

01:53:45.840 you know,

01:53:46.060 lift, 0.95

01:53:46.400 lift some guys,

01:53:47.200 you know,

01:53:47.380 eyes,

01:53:47.880 you know,

01:53:48.080 that far up off the ground.

01:53:50.800 Um,

01:53:51.480 these days,

01:53:53.300 yeah.

01:53:53.480 That's the,

01:53:54.360 that's the challenge.

01:53:58.260 Yeah.

01:53:59.000 Yeah,

01:53:59.260 exactly.

01:54:02.240 Yeah.

01:54:02.840 Yeah.

01:54:03.000 Yeah.

01:54:03.060 Make it,

01:54:03.460 make a habit of steering people in elevators.

01:54:06.020 You'll approve theological.

01:54:08.900 Anyway,

01:54:09.520 I gotta,

01:54:10.340 um,

01:54:10.980 I gotta jump off here cause I told this guy I talked to him at 16.

01:54:15.580 Oh,

01:54:16.240 okay.

01:54:17.320 Well,

01:54:17.840 so we'll,

01:54:18.200 we'll,

01:54:18.420 we'll wrap it up here really quick then.

01:54:20.100 Um,

01:54:20.820 okay,

01:54:21.060 cool.

01:54:21.240 Okay.

01:54:22.460 Well,

01:54:23.220 uh,

01:54:23.460 since you don't have the time here today,

01:54:24.780 we'll omit Kali of your news and we'll just come to,

01:54:26.900 uh,

01:54:27.380 the conclusion,

01:54:28.200 which will be fine,

01:54:29.220 a fine and fair enough.

01:54:31.860 And so basically the,

01:54:34.400 the conclusion is that,

01:54:35.500 um,

01:54:36.480 in order to pose any long-term civilizational threat against the system,

01:54:39.900 which has produced us,

01:54:40.900 we need to adopt ourselves,

01:54:42.520 a worldview,

01:54:43.060 which is just as comprehensive and just as capable and just as able and more so indeed,

01:54:48.860 um,

01:54:49.880 to bring us success and to bring us,

01:54:51.840 um,

01:54:52.480 harmony with the cosmic order than the liberal one is.

01:54:55.540 And merely reacting against it and pursuing perceived goods on the basis of a sense of reaction is going to get us nowhere.

01:55:02.220 And it hasn't gotten us anywhere and being more reactionary than the last,

01:55:05.860 you know,

01:55:06.480 uh,

01:55:07.220 60 years of conservatives,

01:55:08.240 but still within the last 300 years,

01:55:11.100 it's not victory because our problems go back further.

01:55:13.880 And so,

01:55:15.460 uh,

01:55:15.980 if you're not against,

01:55:17.840 you know,

01:55:18.140 the enlightenment,

01:55:19.240 uh,

01:55:19.420 if you're not against the modern,

01:55:20.500 the modern world,

01:55:21.740 um,

01:55:22.360 then I've got it.

01:55:23.380 You don't have a serious long-term solution to our problems would be my,

01:55:26.740 my takeaway.

01:55:27.820 And,

01:55:28.340 uh,

01:55:28.460 I think that,

01:55:29.260 um,

01:55:30.160 unfortunately for the endeavors of religious ecumenism,

01:55:33.780 which to a certain degree,

01:55:35.060 I have been a proponent in,

01:55:36.820 in terms of working with people on the far right.

01:55:38.300 I think that Christianity is the only long-term civilizationally, 1.00

01:55:42.300 uh,

01:55:42.720 supporting solution for the future.

01:55:44.220 And that,

01:55:44.860 that comes from,

01:55:45.660 you know,

01:55:46.180 your faith and family and your full.

01:55:49.060 So there you go.

01:55:50.300 Thesis statement.

01:55:51.300 Got anything you want to close out with Mr.

01:55:52.720 Wallace?

01:55:54.160 Um,

01:55:54.680 I think I would say that,

01:55:56.260 you know,

01:55:56.560 me and you are absolutely moving in the same direction and we absolutely,

01:56:00.300 um,

01:56:01.440 agree on everything you just said.

01:56:04.340 Um,

01:56:05.000 everything you just said there.

01:56:07.360 That's exactly the direction I'm moving in.

01:56:09.500 I'm in the middle of a huge research project about this.

01:56:12.940 And,

01:56:13.440 um,

01:56:13.880 I'm trying to,

01:56:14.900 you know,

01:56:15.120 we,

01:56:15.260 we really got to find out a way to like sell this to,

01:56:18.200 um,

01:56:19.560 these,

01:56:19.840 these nihilistic people who are,

01:56:21.600 um,

01:56:23.760 just don't,

01:56:24.780 I mean,

01:56:24.980 they've completely lost touch with,

01:56:26.620 um,

01:56:27.060 they,

01:56:27.400 they're against way.

01:56:29.000 I would say,

01:56:29.360 I would say,

01:56:29.440 and we,

01:56:29.800 we have to have sympathy for them.

01:56:31.140 We have to,

01:56:31.760 um,

01:56:32.460 in light of their upbringing and stuff.

01:56:34.060 And we're,

01:56:35.200 we're,

01:56:35.400 we kind of had both of us had to kind of like seek this out on our own.

01:56:38.600 Right.

01:56:38.880 And it didn't,

01:56:39.880 it didn't,

01:56:39.900 it wasn't right there in our face.

01:56:41.280 Yeah,

01:56:41.740 absolutely.

01:56:42.320 It used to like a hundred,

01:56:44.840 a hundred,

01:56:45.240 two hundred,

01:56:45.520 three hundred years ago.

01:56:47.100 Um,

01:56:48.500 we've got to,

01:56:49.080 we've got to find some way that,

01:56:50.040 you know,

01:56:50.200 bring these guys to the light.

01:56:51.460 That's what I would say.

01:56:53.820 And,

01:56:54.260 uh,

01:56:54.480 that's what I'm going to be working on.

01:56:55.580 And we'll have,

01:56:56.200 we'll definitely have to talk about,

01:56:57.380 uh,

01:56:57.980 this again.

01:56:58.540 And this has been one of the most fascinating conversations I've had in a long time now.

01:57:03.460 Uh,

01:57:03.820 and it's given me your,

01:57:04.940 I'm really glad to hear that.

01:57:07.720 Yeah.

01:57:08.360 And so,

01:57:08.820 uh,

01:57:09.220 uh,

01:57:09.460 well,

01:57:09.620 I'm very,

01:57:10.000 very glad to have you on.

01:57:11.140 So to our guests,

01:57:12.320 all right,

01:57:12.700 thank you very much for joining us.

01:57:14.200 Uh,

01:57:14.460 your host,

01:57:15.020 that's right.

01:57:16.860 Today on the podcast,

01:57:17.920 I had with me Hunter Wallace,

01:57:19.260 Vox Dental Descent,

01:57:20.260 and the League of the South.

01:57:21.000 Thank you,

01:57:21.700 Hunter,

01:57:21.820 for joining us.

01:57:23.260 Thanks.

01:57:24.480 All right.

01:57:25.560 To our listeners,

01:57:26.860 thank you very much as well for joining us.

01:57:29.700 And Shalom.

01:57:51.000 Spieß voran,

01:57:53.260 drauf und dran,

01:57:55.420 setzt aufs Fluss der Dach

01:57:56.760 den roten Hahn.

01:57:59.400 Spieß voran,

01:58:01.420 drauf und dran,

01:58:03.520 setzt aufs Fluss der Dach

01:58:04.820 den roten Hahn.

01:58:06.960 Spieß voran,

01:58:11.600 spieß voran,

01:58:29.600 drauf und dran,

01:58:31.560 setzt aufs Fluss der Dach

01:58:33.560 den roten Hahn,

01:58:35.700 den roten Hahn.

01:58:35.740 Spieß voran,

01:58:38.140 drauf und dran,

01:58:40.240 setzt aufs Fluss der Dach

01:58:41.600 den roten Hahn.

01:58:43.760 Spieß voran,

01:58:47.900 spieß voran,

01:58:49.900 und schieß voran,

01:58:51.900 trotz

01:58:52.640 und dran,

01:58:53.900 trotz acht

01:58:53.960 und wann.

01:58:55.900 Den Wunschuh

01:58:57.480 führt er

01:58:58.440 in der Fahrt, 0.60

01:59:00.280 hat hell

01:59:00.980 und armisch an.

01:59:04.500 Spieß voran,

01:59:06.440 drauf und dran,

01:59:08.580 setzt aufs Fluss der Dach

01:59:09.960 den roten Hahn,

01:59:12.080 spieß voran,

01:59:14.620 drauf und dran,

01:59:16.620 setzt aufs Fluss der Dach

01:59:17.980 den roten Hahn.

01:59:24.200 Bei Mainzberg

01:59:25.780 setzt es Brand und Schrank,

01:59:28.940 hei ja,

01:59:30.720 oh ho,

01:59:32.440 gar mancher

01:59:33.820 über die Klinge

01:59:35.800 sprang,

01:59:37.020 hei ja,

01:59:38.820 oh ho,

01:59:39.540 spieß voran,

01:59:42.920 drauf und dran,

01:59:45.020 setzt aufs Fluss der Dach

01:59:46.380 den roten Hahn.

01:59:48.980 Spieß voran,

01:59:51.020 drauf und dran,

01:59:53.080 setzt aufs Fluss der Dach

01:59:54.400 den roten Hahn.

02:00:01.020 Geschlagen ziehen wir nach Haus,

02:00:05.340 hei ja, oh ho,

02:00:07.660 unsere Enkel

02:00:10.200 fechten's

02:00:11.400 besser aus,

02:00:13.440 hei ja,

02:00:15.240 oh ho,

02:00:17.300 spieß voran,

02:00:19.420 drauf und dran,

02:00:21.480 setzt aufs Fluss der Dach

02:00:22.820 den roten Hahn.

02:00:25.420 Spieß voran,

02:00:27.520 drauf und dran,

02:00:29.520 setzt aufs Fluss der Dach

02:00:30.840 den roten Hahn.

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Mysterium Fasces - December 02, 2023

Mysterium Fasces Episode 50 — Nihilism

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