Mysterium Fasces - Mysterium Fasces Episode 53

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00:00:07.160 Why have the heathen rich and the peoples meditated empty things? Alleluia!

00:00:25.680 The kings of the earth were aroused, and the rulers were assembled together against the Lord and against his Christ. Alleluia!

00:00:42.360 Let us break their bones asunder, and let us cast away their yoke from us. Alleluia!

00:00:52.600 He that dwelleth in the heaven shall love them to score, and the Lord shall derive them. Alleluia!

00:01:06.520 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and in his anger shall he trouble them. Alleluia!

00:01:17.680 But as for me, I was established as king by him upon Zion, his holy mountain, proclaiming the commandment of the Lord. Alleluia!

00:01:33.680 The Lord said unto me, Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee. Alleluia!

00:01:45.680 Ask on me, and I will give thee the nations for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Alleluia!

00:02:05.680 Thou shalt thou shalt hurt them with a rod of iron. Thou shalt shatter them like a martyr's vessels. Alleluia!

00:02:17.940 And now, O ye kings, O ye kings, understand, be instructed, O ye that judge the earth. Alleluia!

00:02:30.700 Serve ye the Lord with fear, and rejoice in him with trembling. Alleluia!

00:02:39.440 Lay hold of instruction, lest at any time the Lord be angry, and ye perish on the righteous way. Alleluia!

00:02:54.480 When quickly his wrath be kindled, blessed are all that have put their trust in him. Alleluia!

00:03:06.080 O Lord, O Lord, why are they multiplied that afflict me? Then he rise up against me. Alleluia!

00:03:21.140 May he say unto my soul, There is no salvation for him in his God. Alleluia!

00:03:31.320 But thou, O Lord, O Lord, art my helper, my glory, And a lifter above my head. Alleluia!

00:03:43.820 I cry unto the Lord with my voice, And he heard me out of his holy mountain. Alleluia!

00:03:56.080 I laid me down and slept, I awoke, For the Lord will help me. Alleluia!

00:04:06.580 I will not be afraid of ten thousands of people, That set themselves against me round about. Alleluia!

00:04:20.460 I'll rise, O Lord, save me, O my God, For thou hast smitten All who without cause are mine enemies.

00:04:36.460 The teeth of sinners hast thou broken. Alleluia!

00:04:44.960 Salvation is of the Lord, And thy blessing is upon thy people. Alleluia!

00:04:55.460 Alleluia!

00:04:57.460 Glory to the Father, And to the Son, And to the Holy Spirit, Both now and ever, And unto the ages of ages. Amen!

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00:05:17.460 A glory to the Lord, O God!

00:05:21.460 Alleluia, alleluia, alleluia, glory to thee, O God.

00:05:31.460 Alleluia, alleluia, alleluia, glory to thee, O God.

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00:05:54.240 Welcome to Mysterium Fasci's episode 53, Orthodoxy and Nationalism.

00:05:59.440 I'm your host, Florian Geyer.

00:06:01.360 It's a pleasure to be joining you once again, dear listeners, for another very belated episode of Mysterium Fasci's.

00:06:07.300 I have here joining me on the show today, Dr. Raphael Johnson.

00:06:11.480 Welcome and honored regular guest.

00:06:13.820 How do you do, doctor?

00:06:15.980 I'm really happy you're broadcasting again.

00:06:17.980 You know this has been one of my favorite shows for a long time.

00:06:21.640 And this is going to be, you know, people have been asking me about you.

00:06:25.240 When's he going back on the air again?

00:06:26.840 There's quite a bit of anticipation for this.

00:06:28.680 So you've made an impact.

00:06:30.020 I'm very happy about that.

00:06:31.700 Well, thank you.

00:06:32.380 You know, you flatter me with your remarks.

00:06:33.740 I mean, to all of those listeners who have been asking after me and have been, you know, praying for me and all this kind of stuff.

00:06:38.600 I want to tell you from the bottom of my heart, I'm very appreciative.

00:06:42.300 And I continue to ask for your prayers.

00:06:43.780 And the reason that I've sort of not been active in producing content is because I've been in a master's program of theology and have been intensely engrossed in that project.

00:06:54.700 So the sad truth is that while I'm continuing my graduate studies, I'm not going to be able to produce content on a full-time basis.

00:07:02.320 But, God willing, every once in a while we should be able to put something together, especially for our listeners like we have today.

00:07:09.120 So without further ado, these opening remarks out of the way, I thought that we would get back down to basics.

00:07:15.780 So the program Mysterium Fascis is essentially about both theology and politics.

00:07:22.280 The question is, how does the political life of man fit into his overall worldview and what does theology inform us about political philosophy?

00:07:32.560 And so for the orthodox vision of politics, these are integrated and undivided concepts.

00:07:39.560 So to discuss sort of an orthodox political philosophy, we would have to begin discussing orthodox – the orthodox vision of man, orthodox anthropology.

00:07:50.820 So, Father, you're certainly the expert on this, you know.

00:07:55.200 So why don't we discuss briefly basic concepts in orthodox anthropology and moving into Chalcedon?

00:08:02.700 And we can kind of diverge from there.

00:08:03.920 I've been saying for many years that the Synod of Chalcedon is, after the resurrection, the single most significant event of Western history.

00:08:16.640 All of our conceptions of freedom and order come from there.

00:08:21.320 And, of course, most people have no idea what Chalcedon is.

00:08:25.020 Sometimes when people come across this topic for the first time, they're lost in the minutiae of the argument.

00:08:32.840 And because they don't understand it, they tend to dismiss it, like they're splitting hairs, like this is battles over nothing.

00:08:39.440 But we know that that's not the case.

00:08:40.860 Because these absolutely brutal debates and discussions where people died in some cases weren't just about, you know, angels and pins, but they were about the very nature of man and its relation to God.

00:08:58.880 And that's why the monophysites are in such intense error, even though when you read it for the first time, it seems very minor.

00:09:07.800 It isn't.

00:09:08.980 Chalcedon concluded what we already knew, but laid out in some detail, that Christ, as a man, contains two natures or two essences.

00:09:20.620 The first is divine.

00:09:22.820 And the second is human.

00:09:24.460 Now, how they relate was the nature of these battles.

00:09:30.260 If the balance is upset in one direction or another, our society collapses.

00:09:36.080 If it tends too far towards the human side, there's now the relationship between God and man is severed, like Nestorius.

00:09:45.760 If it leans too far to the divine side, then our human reason and freedom is vitiated.

00:09:51.640 Chalcedon went out of its way to create this balance between the two.

00:09:57.960 And it forms the foundation of orthodox nationalism.

00:10:01.980 Because, of course, when you say the human essence, we're referring to everything that humans can have anything to do with.

00:10:09.060 You know, culture, politics, art, all of that.

00:10:13.460 And, of course, the Reformation destroyed all this.

00:10:15.940 This is incredibly significant.

00:10:17.640 And really, modern readers looking at this don't have the tools to unpack what it means.

00:10:24.980 You know, human nature to them is just some abstraction.

00:10:27.340 Nothing can be more concrete.

00:10:28.480 But the important point is that they voluntarily interact.

00:10:35.360 The divine does not impose itself on the human.

00:10:38.560 And the human does not impose itself on the divine.

00:10:41.900 The latter would be something like, you know, ecumenism, where men decide where the truth is.

00:10:46.820 The fact that it's a voluntary cooperation done in freedom and peace means that human reason is elevated to a very high state.

00:10:57.020 That you can't force anyone.

00:10:58.900 That this is – that human nature is something, you know, based on both reason and freedom, which is rare enough these days.

00:11:06.100 Human nature approaches a divine, not as an equal, but as something that has a choice to reject or accept.

00:11:14.560 And that became the essence of freedom, liberty, and autonomy in the Western world from there on in, despite the fact that no one really outside of our circles has any idea what that is.

00:11:25.660 Our concepts of freedom come from Chalcedon.

00:11:28.880 The nature of the church comes from Chalcedon.

00:11:31.360 And it's – there's no way to exaggerate the significance of it.

00:11:38.960 So everything that is human exists in a voluntary relation of subservience to the divine.

00:11:46.120 Therefore, there has to be a Christian politics and economics, anything else.

00:11:50.980 People – one of my many pet peeves is when someone says the church can't be political.

00:11:56.040 And you have to ask them what they think the political is because that's changed over the years.

00:12:02.300 It can't be political in the sense that it has anything to do with campaigns, elections, or voting, or the backroom deal kind of thing.

00:12:10.340 No, we're talking about the nature of justice.

00:12:13.320 Those questions are very much a part of the church.

00:12:16.520 The church is deeply political.

00:12:18.500 The Old Testament is in the Bible for a reason.

00:12:20.360 It's not an accident, and there is no set of books more political than the Old Testament, especially the historical books.

00:12:28.360 It is all about the establishment of the Israelite state and its relationship.

00:12:32.980 The prophets spoke about political theory, economic theory, and nationalism until they were blue in the face.

00:12:38.060 And that's why you have the widespread ignorance of the Old Testament, especially the prophets, to the point where people are trying to get rid of it.

00:12:47.100 People don't want it in the Bible at all because it makes them uncomfortable.

00:12:51.240 The Old Testament, especially the prophets, laid out what orthodox nationalism is, what Christian politics is.

00:12:58.780 And we are bound by it.

00:13:00.100 We're bound by the commandments or the words of Christ.

00:13:03.120 Christ had such a high regard for the prophets that he acted like one.

00:13:08.220 He quoted them all the time.

00:13:10.320 He, you know, he behaved – he compared himself to them.

00:13:15.140 Prophets will be killed.

00:13:15.900 I'll be killed.

00:13:17.060 And the prophets were all killed.

00:13:19.060 We're all murdered, sometimes in the worst possible way.

00:13:23.020 So that's the foundation of orthodox politics, and it is binding on all of us.

00:13:28.240 It's not voluntary.

00:13:30.560 That's exactly correct.

00:13:31.280 And so before we move on further into the politics, I wanted to emphasize two components here.

00:13:37.860 One has to do with a certain – one of the conceits of modernism, and the other has to do with salvation.

00:13:43.280 So those who are regular listeners to our show will understand, of course, the lie of secularism.

00:13:49.500 And fundamentally, the easiest reason to dispel secularism is because it makes the assumption that man's worldview is disconnected from any particular field of its application.

00:14:01.280 And so that politics exists in an isolated realm, which is separate from the entire matrix of values and language and communication, that whoever engages in politics, discusses it, approaches it with.

00:14:13.420 And we know that these form one integrated human reality, that the human person is not – in its ideal balanced state – is not schizophrenically divided.

00:14:23.020 But that is exactly what politics attempts to do, is it attempts to create a realm of the political, which is divorced from concepts of superlative justice.

00:14:31.820 And this severance of the appeal to a higher dignity of a spiritual nature as the foundation for justice or for human affairs is itself basically a cynical political ploy in order for the opponents of those systems to gain more power.

00:14:49.540 And so that's why if we're, as a Christian, as an Orthodox person or anybody approaching the question of politics, there can be no disconnection between your understanding of political philosophy and those actions which are pertaining to justice in the sense of local political instantiation and your overall worldview.

00:15:10.240 And so to talk about theology is to talk about politics because we're talking about the man himself, the relationship between his essence and the divine.

00:15:20.180 And this is precisely what salvation consists of, of the divine energies of God's grace empowering the human essence, elevating it into a cosmic harmony.

00:15:30.700 That man is not only restored to a state of incorruption, but he's elevated to godhood, to godlikeness.

00:15:38.120 And so the nature of the relationship between God and man is exactly what salvation is about.

00:15:45.740 Because if man's salvation consists in becoming like God, becoming divinized, then how that divine energy penetrates man and affects his human energies is the question.

00:15:55.000 There's no other question. That's the only question.

00:15:57.620 And that's why these issues of monophysitism are so important, because they distort and destroy the image and reality of salvation.

00:16:07.420 That's why they invalidate grace, if you actually run with these heresies for long enough.

00:16:13.040 Because there can be no access to grace outside of the true vision of that union of God and man in Christ.

00:16:20.080 And so the orthodox view of how man is supposed to engage in his political affairs comes directly out of this Chalcedonian vision of Christ.

00:16:29.440 This is why we look at the icon of Christ. Many of these truths are already present in pictorial form.

00:16:35.440 When we look at an icon of Christ, we see his humanness, firstly.

00:16:39.400 And his humanness is there with all of the energies of humanity, including his specific ethnicity.

00:16:45.300 Christ is not a man who is from nowhere.

00:16:49.040 We know exactly where he's from. We know his lineage back to the creation of the world.

00:16:52.540 But he is also, at the same time, the man from nowhere. He's the whole Anthropos.

00:16:57.700 He's both. A specific man in a specific time in a specific place, but also the universal logos, the archetypal ideal of all human activity, of rationality itself.

00:17:07.480 And so it is the union of these two concepts, of the temporal and the eternal, that enables salvation, that opens the way to the kingdom of heaven.

00:17:16.820 That penetration of the eternal into the temporal means that our temporal can become eternal.

00:17:23.000 That's the whole point.

00:17:24.520 And so it is only with this vision, which is for us explicated most precisely at Chalcedon,

00:17:30.620 that we can discuss Orthodox political philosophy at all, in any way, because this is the basic worldview.

00:17:40.120 And so this is why it's so important to grip Orthodox theology, at least in a basic way,

00:17:47.420 to understand that these things relate, because it is precisely connected with the question of politics.

00:17:52.400 And the abnegation of this worldview is what has directly led to the current modern state of revolutionary politics in the West,

00:18:03.140 which has created this icon of the Antichrist.

00:18:08.440 Well, we talked about Chalcedon and Christ's two natures.

00:18:14.380 Remember, though, that those two natures are in one person.

00:18:17.640 So there is a unity there.

00:18:19.340 But then there's also the Trinity.

00:18:22.400 So there's two entities we have to worry about here.

00:18:25.720 I read St. Photos of Constantinople many, many years ago, and I didn't get the political end of it.

00:18:34.420 Now I do.

00:18:35.600 It takes a while.

00:18:38.080 He connects the idea of the filioque with the collapse of an Orthodox or a Christian political doctrine.

00:18:47.600 It really was the arcane killing of the king ritual.

00:18:50.740 The ancient grasp of the Trinity that we all hold to is an idea with deep political connotations.

00:18:57.420 The father, the monarch, is the source of all.

00:19:02.140 The filioque implies that the father is no longer a dominant entity,

00:19:06.360 but has farmed out his role to the son, since shares his authority with the son.

00:19:13.660 When it comes to the creation of the spirit, father and son are equal.

00:19:17.180 Well, if that's true, then the hierarchy is destroyed.

00:19:19.640 And that, both in terms of common sense, in terms of history, and in terms of Photos' political thinking,

00:19:26.520 creates what we call today the masses.

00:19:28.720 So the essence of, you know, Orthodox people refer to symphony, the symphony of powers, all the time.

00:19:37.620 The symphony, of course, is a direct reference to Chalcedon.

00:19:41.000 People use it all the time, but it's very rare to find a detailed definition of it.

00:19:46.220 And as you know, I have several very long papers and many broadcasts on the topic.

00:19:52.760 But the simplest way to describe it is mutual cooperation, mutual support, mutual responsibility,

00:19:59.220 without invading the competence of one with the other.

00:20:03.320 So the bishop obeys the state as a subject and citizen.

00:20:07.140 The government official obeys the bishop as a member of the church.

00:20:09.760 The authority of one does not derive from the other.

00:20:14.480 And the filioque would absolutely destroy that.

00:20:17.840 So, you know, the symphony is the groundwork of all political theory.

00:20:24.160 So not only does it come from Chalcedon, but also from the nature of the Trinity itself.

00:20:31.060 Just like when approaching Chalcedon for the first time,

00:20:33.840 people approaching the Trinitarian debates for the first time

00:20:37.960 are just overwhelmed with the minutiae.

00:20:41.300 And it's true.

00:20:42.220 It's the highest reaches of metaphysics in these kind of things.

00:20:46.460 But the destruction of the father's role as sole origin

00:20:51.740 destroys the notion of the Orthodox emperor.

00:20:56.340 The unity that's necessary for any politics to happen at all.

00:21:01.720 So there's two natures in Christ, but it's still unified.

00:21:05.200 But symphony requires the unity of religious and moral principles

00:21:09.840 and a single general consensus of action.

00:21:13.540 But that agreement is necessary for even the most rudimentary consensus

00:21:16.880 to emerge on anything.

00:21:19.920 You know, so this is the nature, and this is a purely objective matter.

00:21:23.380 This is the foundation of not only nationalism, the nature of a unified nation,

00:21:30.220 unified people with a single mission and religious vision,

00:21:33.480 but also the monarch as the father of the family.

00:21:36.820 The two things are not mutually exclusive.

00:21:40.600 In fact, when you combine Chalcedon with the Trinity,

00:21:43.820 you get the Orthodox nationalist monarchy.

00:21:47.080 Absolutely. Absolutely.

00:21:51.220 So, returning to the idea of the nature of man,

00:21:55.100 as we discussed, in Christ we have both God and man.

00:21:58.320 We have the uncreated and the created together in one person.

00:22:02.280 That there is one God-man in Christ.

00:22:05.100 There's no human person.

00:22:07.380 And for those of you who are familiar with Orthodox theology,

00:22:09.920 this will be, you know, review.

00:22:12.280 But it's a very, very important concept for those who are not familiar.

00:22:17.800 Especially when you read the Old Testament

00:22:19.760 and you have the theophanic manifestations of God,

00:22:22.960 it's important to refresh for all Orthodox people

00:22:25.860 that when you read about God in the Old Testament,

00:22:27.740 you are reading about Christ.

00:22:29.080 That is who speaks to the Israelites.

00:22:31.340 It's Christ.

00:22:32.720 There's no other God.

00:22:33.980 And so, this harmony of the physical and spiritual elements in man

00:22:44.480 is what creates sanity.

00:22:47.680 It's what creates rationality.

00:22:49.320 And that's what God offers to us by His grace.

00:22:51.240 It's a restoration of that primordial balance and hierarchy

00:22:54.980 between all of the faculties of the spirit and the body.

00:22:58.800 And so, this is, again, we've discussed this in other podcasts,

00:23:01.580 this is the whole purpose of struggling, of asceticism, of salvation,

00:23:06.480 is to try and to bring the different energies

00:23:09.720 that the body and the soul have

00:23:11.240 into a correct hierarchical order, just like in the state.

00:23:14.340 And this returns back to the whole concept of the corporate entity.

00:23:19.420 And so, this is a, I think, I'm certain,

00:23:21.840 I'm sure probably this upsets you as much as it does for me,

00:23:24.720 when people will use the Mussolini quote,

00:23:26.980 where Mussolini defines fascism as corporatism,

00:23:29.280 and then they will use this to mean that,

00:23:32.180 oh, well, corporatism, you see, that's oligarchy,

00:23:34.940 that's technocracy.

00:23:36.540 Obviously, America is a fascist state,

00:23:38.500 Mussolini himself said it.

00:23:40.120 And it's a very amusing obfuscation

00:23:42.860 of the actual definition of the word corporate,

00:23:45.480 referring to corpus, meaning body.

00:23:48.420 So, this is the idea that if the church is the body of Christ,

00:23:52.820 and Christ is the icon of humanity,

00:23:55.160 then the cooperation of that body is analogous.

00:23:58.280 So, you have one element, the hand,

00:24:01.520 which cooperates freely with the head,

00:24:03.280 and they fulfill different functions.

00:24:04.940 And the head is physically superior,

00:24:06.560 it's elevated to the hand,

00:24:08.260 but the hand and the head are not in competition with one another.

00:24:11.540 And so, you can compare this to the state,

00:24:13.400 you can compare this to the family,

00:24:14.600 you can compare this to any of the structure,

00:24:16.780 the angelic hierarchy.

00:24:18.560 This is the way that the cosmos operates,

00:24:20.780 in its optimal harmonization,

00:24:24.280 is that every element of the body,

00:24:28.140 which is interconnected by the common source of life,

00:24:31.860 which is the Holy Spirit,

00:24:32.700 which is God,

00:24:33.440 which is His grace,

00:24:34.620 is divine, uncreated life,

00:24:36.780 in free cooperation with one another,

00:24:39.440 in voluntary service out of love.

00:24:42.280 And that it's this love,

00:24:44.320 this integration into the uncreated life of God,

00:24:47.100 into the life of our neighbors,

00:24:48.880 to the life of heaven,

00:24:50.040 this love is the Christian way.

00:24:51.900 And this is exactly why the Christian must engage in politics,

00:24:54.460 because the support of one's neighbors,

00:24:56.740 and the inaction of just behavior on earth,

00:24:59.680 is itself a question of love and justice.

00:25:05.520 You know, one of my other big pet peeves,

00:25:07.880 I have a long,

00:25:08.640 I have a thing about like 50 things,

00:25:10.500 pet peeves of mine,

00:25:11.900 and one of them is the use of the word love,

00:25:14.140 in modern times.

00:25:16.700 I don't even like using the term,

00:25:19.240 because even,

00:25:19.980 you know,

00:25:20.200 I almost sound saccharine,

00:25:22.320 when I use it.

00:25:23.740 It's such an abused idea,

00:25:25.700 people refer to romance,

00:25:27.340 or sexuality,

00:25:27.760 something stupid,

00:25:28.960 like some Hallmark card.

00:25:30.940 But love is an intensely powerful,

00:25:33.400 political, theological, metaphysical idea.

00:25:36.780 It has to do with relations.

00:25:39.160 And among many other things,

00:25:40.940 it's the willingness to suffer,

00:25:43.000 for the betterment of the whole.

00:25:45.600 It's the same thing,

00:25:47.020 in many ways,

00:25:47.520 as humility.

00:25:51.460 You know,

00:25:52.360 when you deal with something like a monarch,

00:25:56.480 someone like Tsar Nicholas,

00:25:59.600 willingly went to his death,

00:26:02.280 or Boris Ing-Leb,

00:26:05.420 for that matter,

00:26:06.420 who allowed themselves to be killed,

00:26:08.400 to stop the civil war from growing.

00:26:12.040 This is a part of the royal office.

00:26:16.040 Monarchy is a religious figure.

00:26:17.960 You know,

00:26:19.460 and just like Charles-Soudan refers to,

00:26:22.240 you know,

00:26:22.420 the two entities,

00:26:23.940 well,

00:26:24.080 the monarchy does too.

00:26:26.500 Because,

00:26:27.880 as people like Lev Tegamirov,

00:26:31.280 Bishop of Dalmatia,

00:26:32.980 Nicodem in 1897,

00:26:34.700 is one of my favorites,

00:26:36.340 that the Orthodox monarch

00:26:37.960 is very different from others.

00:26:40.600 Because there's two things.

00:26:42.200 There's the human side,

00:26:44.160 which he has to balance,

00:26:45.480 with the divine side.

00:26:46.520 So,

00:26:48.480 he's head of state,

00:26:49.820 but he's also the supreme patron

00:26:51.440 and protector of the church.

00:26:53.520 Now,

00:26:54.020 the Mussolini quote is,

00:26:55.600 I mean,

00:26:55.800 I'm telling you,

00:26:56.820 there are university professors,

00:26:58.100 I know who they are,

00:27:00.140 in political science,

00:27:01.440 who really believe

00:27:02.520 that corporatism,

00:27:05.200 these are professors now,

00:27:06.420 I mean,

00:27:07.240 you know,

00:27:07.840 just get that through your,

00:27:08.980 who really believe that corporatism

00:27:10.560 has to do with corporations,

00:27:12.100 like IBM and Xerox

00:27:13.500 and Coca-Cola.

00:27:14.040 I mean,

00:27:16.380 this is,

00:27:16.800 this is,

00:27:17.220 this is,

00:27:17.540 this is how bad it is.

00:27:19.180 What hope do we,

00:27:19.860 I mean,

00:27:20.040 if they don't understand it,

00:27:21.600 I've had to lecture people here,

00:27:23.200 which,

00:27:23.440 you know,

00:27:23.560 they take that real well.

00:27:26.080 But,

00:27:26.640 you know,

00:27:27.800 the corporatist,

00:27:28.340 I'm a corporatist,

00:27:29.180 syndicalist,

00:27:30.200 you know,

00:27:30.340 we're referring to classes.

00:27:31.960 But even there,

00:27:33.140 the term class

00:27:33.800 has nothing to do with money.

00:27:35.320 It has to do with function.

00:27:37.180 It really comes down to guilds.

00:27:39.760 But however you slice it,

00:27:41.880 it's voluntary cooperation.

00:27:44.980 The minute the state

00:27:46.400 has to force people

00:27:47.300 to do things

00:27:47.900 on a regular basis,

00:27:49.760 you've already lost the war.

00:27:50.980 To continue on your previous point,

00:27:54.420 I mean,

00:27:54.620 even in,

00:27:55.560 for those of you who are familiar

00:27:56.660 with the hierarchical liturgy,

00:27:58.320 you'll know that the bishop,

00:27:59.720 when he is performing blessings

00:28:01.220 of the people,

00:28:02.220 at certain points

00:28:02.860 during the divine liturgy,

00:28:04.200 he will take the

00:28:05.640 dikiri and trikiri,

00:28:07.200 the two-candlestick

00:28:08.940 and the three-barred candlestick.

00:28:11.380 Originally,

00:28:11.960 the imperial office

00:28:12.860 was allowed to bless

00:28:13.760 with the dikiri,

00:28:14.720 which is a symbol

00:28:15.320 of the Chalcedonian balance

00:28:17.140 of Christ's humanity

00:28:18.320 and his divinity.

00:28:19.960 Because the office

00:28:20.760 of the emperor

00:28:21.740 is one of the manifestations

00:28:23.220 of the,

00:28:24.060 it's a nexus of grace.

00:28:25.240 It's an icon

00:28:25.760 of the instantiation

00:28:28.540 of divine power

00:28:29.520 in ordering the universe,

00:28:30.940 in protecting the church,

00:28:32.260 in enforcing justice,

00:28:33.520 in bringing people

00:28:34.200 towards cosmic harmony.

00:28:35.860 And then the human side

00:28:37.060 of the emperor's own

00:28:38.140 manly nature.

00:28:39.640 And then the human energies

00:28:41.320 of the oikos,

00:28:43.140 the household

00:28:43.580 of the Roman Empire,

00:28:44.860 of which he is the father,

00:28:46.000 which he's responsible

00:28:46.780 for stewarding,

00:28:48.220 for shepherding,

00:28:49.560 managing.

00:28:50.880 And so these realities,

00:28:51.700 that's the whole point

00:28:52.380 of the liturgy,

00:28:52.680 they're expressed directly

00:28:53.520 in the liturgy.

00:28:54.560 You know,

00:28:54.820 of course,

00:28:55.560 there's a whole field

00:28:57.320 dedicated to the study

00:28:58.340 of this minutia,

00:28:58.880 but it's an interesting detail

00:28:59.860 that brings it out

00:29:00.600 directly to the fore.

00:29:02.340 And so that's one

00:29:04.240 of these symbolic

00:29:05.560 pieces of code

00:29:08.940 that's just totally,

00:29:09.980 is missing.

00:29:11.540 People have no idea.

00:29:12.500 I mean,

00:29:12.680 most people that go

00:29:13.480 to the divine liturgy

00:29:14.640 probably don't even know

00:29:15.400 what the dikiri and trikiri

00:29:16.520 are for,

00:29:17.380 unfortunately.

00:29:19.520 Much less their imperial

00:29:20.840 connotations in use.

00:29:23.760 So.

00:29:25.900 Well,

00:29:26.540 one of my favorite stories

00:29:27.460 back when I was a

00:29:28.260 university professor

00:29:29.740 in Maryland,

00:29:32.840 the so-called medievalist there,

00:29:35.540 when we talked about

00:29:36.900 medieval architecture,

00:29:39.720 she made a,

00:29:41.100 I saw her once carrying

00:29:42.620 a scale model

00:29:43.720 to her class

00:29:45.220 made of Legos.

00:29:48.640 And I thought it was,

00:29:49.540 I said,

00:29:50.360 I said,

00:29:50.680 what is this?

00:29:52.220 And she said,

00:29:52.600 oh,

00:29:52.680 this is,

00:29:53.040 this is a scale.

00:29:53.620 I said,

00:29:54.300 oh,

00:29:55.020 so then you're going to

00:29:55.640 explain to them

00:29:56.300 the,

00:29:56.680 the,

00:29:57.720 the sacred ratios

00:29:59.580 and the sacred numbers,

00:30:00.540 right?

00:30:02.100 And she stared at me like,

00:30:03.260 you know,

00:30:03.440 I just grown another head.

00:30:04.740 And I said,

00:30:05.280 wait,

00:30:05.740 you don't know this?

00:30:06.960 I said,

00:30:07.240 you know,

00:30:07.400 the two over three

00:30:08.400 ratio is,

00:30:09.960 is central to,

00:30:11.160 to architecture.

00:30:12.040 And this is not an accident.

00:30:13.540 It doesn't just look good.

00:30:14.580 It's,

00:30:14.940 it's deliberate.

00:30:16.660 And again,

00:30:18.640 she tried to evade

00:30:20.540 and I was getting upset.

00:30:22.440 I said,

00:30:23.540 I'm sorry,

00:30:23.840 if you don't know

00:30:24.340 what that is,

00:30:25.120 you're the medievalist here.

00:30:26.360 You are incompetent.

00:30:28.160 And it was,

00:30:29.920 it was heard by her,

00:30:31.100 her students.

00:30:31.720 I got into all kinds

00:30:32.340 of trouble for,

00:30:32.920 and I'm quite pleased

00:30:33.920 that I did it.

00:30:34.940 But when you have

00:30:35.720 university professors

00:30:36.480 that claim to be

00:30:37.520 medieval experts

00:30:38.120 who have no idea

00:30:38.900 what this stuff is,

00:30:41.120 the two over three

00:30:41.920 ratio is absolutely

00:30:43.780 sacred when they use

00:30:44.600 it for everything.

00:30:46.200 And it has to do

00:30:47.040 with those two

00:30:47.640 relationships.

00:30:49.700 And,

00:30:50.180 but you know,

00:30:51.400 even,

00:30:51.660 even with the

00:30:52.600 mind body distinction

00:30:54.820 that philosophy

00:30:55.620 spends so much time on,

00:30:57.160 we all know

00:30:58.040 it's really one thing.

00:30:59.640 But because

00:31:00.440 we're fallen humanity,

00:31:02.580 we have to have

00:31:03.760 everything taken apart

00:31:04.520 for us,

00:31:05.360 for us to understand.

00:31:06.160 And so,

00:31:08.400 you know,

00:31:08.760 it is,

00:31:09.220 it is a unity.

00:31:10.400 You know,

00:31:10.620 Christ was one man.

00:31:12.440 So,

00:31:13.040 you know,

00:31:14.120 don't,

00:31:14.620 we can't,

00:31:15.280 we can't get too

00:31:15.900 concerned with

00:31:16.320 multiplicity.

00:31:17.560 The Trinity is

00:31:18.600 one thing.

00:31:19.400 Christ was one thing.

00:31:21.460 Our human being

00:31:22.680 is one thing.

00:31:24.440 So,

00:31:25.000 so both nationalism

00:31:26.240 and monarchy

00:31:26.720 are concerned with

00:31:28.120 unity,

00:31:28.600 although in different

00:31:29.160 ways.

00:31:30.260 Well,

00:31:30.640 yeah,

00:31:30.800 that's exactly right.

00:31:31.600 And I mean,

00:31:32.020 theologically,

00:31:32.600 when we speak of,

00:31:33.360 of Christ's humanity

00:31:34.460 and his divinity,

00:31:35.500 we can only speak

00:31:36.720 of the interplay

00:31:37.360 there intellectually

00:31:38.300 because he's one person.

00:31:40.020 There's only one thing.

00:31:41.600 There's one combined

00:31:43.180 personal activity there,

00:31:44.380 human and divine.

00:31:45.440 And it's,

00:31:46.380 it's an,

00:31:46.960 uh,

00:31:47.600 an attempt to

00:31:48.300 precisely philosophically

00:31:49.520 express it.

00:31:50.300 That,

00:31:50.920 that's how we understand it.

00:31:51.780 I mean,

00:31:52.060 the,

00:31:52.240 the,

00:31:52.520 the level of cooperation

00:31:53.620 is so intimate

00:31:54.520 and so direct

00:31:55.320 that,

00:31:56.240 you know,

00:31:56.660 it is as close as possible

00:31:58.620 as it could be

00:32:00.440 to being one thing

00:32:01.640 yet remaining,

00:32:02.540 uh,

00:32:03.400 in distinct cooperation,

00:32:05.140 discrete cooperation.

00:32:07.360 Um,

00:32:08.540 okay,

00:32:09.040 so,

00:32:09.820 I think that we've managed

00:32:11.080 to cover and lay down

00:32:12.060 most of the groundwork.

00:32:13.440 This is,

00:32:14.420 the difficulty with discussing

00:32:15.860 an orthodox political,

00:32:17.040 uh,

00:32:17.400 philosophy is that most people

00:32:18.660 don't know what we've just

00:32:19.940 talked about.

00:32:20.580 And you,

00:32:21.020 you can't even begin

00:32:22.200 to discuss,

00:32:23.520 um,

00:32:24.200 especially in a North American

00:32:25.300 context,

00:32:25.900 orthodox political,

00:32:26.640 philosophy,

00:32:27.060 what should we be doing

00:32:27.860 with ourselves

00:32:28.340 without understanding

00:32:29.760 what orthodoxy is

00:32:30.960 and the context

00:32:31.660 for its own,

00:32:32.560 uh,

00:32:34.080 its own philosophical

00:32:35.080 self-expression

00:32:35.880 of what is the teaching?

00:32:37.200 What are the dogmas

00:32:37.820 of the church?

00:32:38.320 What is the vision of man?

00:32:39.680 What is the civilizational

00:32:41.000 model that we have received

00:32:42.120 from the classical world?

00:32:43.380 Uh,

00:32:43.660 that was just,

00:32:44.300 that was presumed.

00:32:45.420 And,

00:32:45.580 and this is,

00:32:46.080 this is one of the other

00:32:46.700 things we talked about

00:32:47.580 in the medieval that doesn't

00:32:48.500 know what sacred geometry is.

00:32:49.740 I mean,

00:32:49.920 it's,

00:32:50.200 it's like a joke,

00:32:51.040 but,

00:32:52.020 you know,

00:32:52.660 you have these scholars

00:32:53.380 of,

00:32:53.660 of,

00:32:53.840 of sacred scripture

00:32:54.580 that don't know

00:32:55.700 any cultural

00:32:56.400 anthropology

00:32:56.920 about,

00:32:57.820 uh,

00:32:58.080 the classical world.

00:32:58.840 They don't,

00:32:59.100 they don't know any of the history

00:33:00.000 of the classical world.

00:33:00.940 They don't know the values.

00:33:01.960 They don't know

00:33:02.360 how society functioned.

00:33:03.640 They don't know anything

00:33:04.300 about ancient geopolitics.

00:33:06.200 They have no concept

00:33:07.660 for the,

00:33:08.820 the context

00:33:09.660 of the New Testament.

00:33:10.680 I mean,

00:33:10.860 as again,

00:33:11.300 a lot of,

00:33:11.780 lots of them

00:33:12.180 have not even read

00:33:12.780 any of the Old Testament.

00:33:14.400 Um,

00:33:14.500 they,

00:33:14.720 they don't realize

00:33:16.220 that,

00:33:16.520 that Christ himself

00:33:17.260 is the culmination

00:33:18.500 of everything

00:33:19.100 that came before him.

00:33:20.240 You know,

00:33:20.560 I mean,

00:33:20.780 this is,

00:33:21.240 the church fathers

00:33:21.680 talk about it like this,

00:33:22.640 that the purpose of Israel

00:33:23.820 was to give birth

00:33:24.560 to the mother of God.

00:33:25.840 Right?

00:33:26.200 And so,

00:33:28.580 but that's why

00:33:29.020 this is what

00:33:29.580 Mysterium Fascis

00:33:30.280 is all about

00:33:30.820 is that,

00:33:31.200 that the,

00:33:31.620 the worldview

00:33:32.660 is the context

00:33:33.820 for politics

00:33:34.980 that questions

00:33:35.740 of justice

00:33:36.320 cannot even be asked

00:33:38.020 unless you have

00:33:38.820 something to appeal to

00:33:39.820 because justice itself

00:33:41.400 to,

00:33:41.660 to mean something

00:33:42.640 you will,

00:33:43.340 you have to appeal

00:33:44.140 to something

00:33:44.560 that is,

00:33:45.280 uh,

00:33:46.000 is,

00:33:46.320 is actually

00:33:46.900 eternal.

00:33:48.620 There has to be

00:33:49.600 some sort of,

00:33:50.500 uh,

00:33:50.740 again,

00:33:50.980 I say superlative

00:33:52.000 justice,

00:33:52.980 something that

00:33:53.520 is beyond,

00:33:54.520 uh,

00:33:55.160 just the temporal

00:33:56.060 whims of man

00:33:56.820 because if there's

00:33:57.620 nothing that's beyond

00:33:58.800 that,

00:33:58.980 then there's no

00:33:59.340 true tyranny.

00:34:00.240 If there's no

00:34:00.620 standards of justice,

00:34:01.400 then all forms

00:34:02.700 of,

00:34:03.020 of,

00:34:03.640 you know,

00:34:03.900 nominalist law,

00:34:05.140 right,

00:34:05.680 of positivist law

00:34:06.600 are acceptable.

00:34:07.740 Um,

00:34:08.180 and that,

00:34:08.560 that you,

00:34:08.980 you have that

00:34:09.620 as you would talk,

00:34:10.200 you've talked about

00:34:10.860 father,

00:34:11.540 the,

00:34:11.720 the severing

00:34:12.540 of heaven from earth,

00:34:13.540 you know,

00:34:13.840 that the,

00:34:14.320 the,

00:34:14.540 the grace,

00:34:15.120 it stops being God

00:34:16.080 itself.

00:34:16.380 It becomes a created

00:34:17.160 entity,

00:34:17.740 something that's

00:34:18.440 created and dispensed

00:34:19.320 by,

00:34:20.000 you know,

00:34:20.080 a human papal monarch.

00:34:21.720 It's not God's

00:34:22.620 free gift.

00:34:23.220 It's not his free life

00:34:24.720 that's available to us,

00:34:25.920 um,

00:34:26.560 you know,

00:34:26.780 regardless of rank

00:34:27.660 or social station

00:34:28.480 based on,

00:34:29.660 on,

00:34:29.980 on the heart

00:34:30.460 as a son to a father.

00:34:31.580 And so,

00:34:32.840 this,

00:34:33.500 the severance

00:34:34.160 of man from his,

00:34:36.020 his,

00:34:36.620 from,

00:34:36.880 of God,

00:34:37.500 of,

00:34:38.140 um,

00:34:38.840 politics from religion,

00:34:40.600 of the spirit

00:34:41.920 from religion itself,

00:34:43.500 of,

00:34:43.660 you know,

00:34:44.260 ethnos and logos,

00:34:45.020 all of these things

00:34:45.720 are central to modernity

00:34:47.480 and the,

00:34:49.100 central to the fall of man.

00:34:50.180 This is what sin is,

00:34:51.040 is that man is supposed

00:34:51.840 to be a unified entity

00:34:52.900 like God,

00:34:53.760 like Christ,

00:34:54.840 is all his faculties,

00:34:56.120 his mind and body,

00:34:57.140 it's one thing,

00:34:57.760 it's one person,

00:34:58.760 it's you,

00:34:59.280 you know,

00:34:59.420 and the resurrection

00:34:59.880 is you and your body

00:35:01.180 back together.

00:35:02.340 Um,

00:35:02.700 but that,

00:35:03.240 this disintegration

00:35:04.420 of powers,

00:35:05.480 that the mind

00:35:06.160 and the spirit

00:35:06.760 and all of this,

00:35:08.060 that they move

00:35:08.660 in different directions

00:35:09.420 and that they conflict

00:35:10.240 with one another

00:35:10.820 and desire different things,

00:35:12.060 this is a result

00:35:12.720 of the fall from grace,

00:35:14.380 you know?

00:35:14.820 Um,

00:35:16.120 and so,

00:35:16.780 precisely the,

00:35:17.520 the,

00:35:17.880 the goal of Christianity

00:35:20.180 is to reintegrate man

00:35:21.740 into one person

00:35:23.120 that is Christ-like,

00:35:23.980 that is perfected,

00:35:25.120 whereas the goal

00:35:25.920 of the enemies

00:35:26.880 of,

00:35:27.360 of order

00:35:28.020 is to disintegrate man

00:35:29.460 into many different faculties

00:35:31.200 which are irrational

00:35:32.240 and in competition

00:35:33.100 with one another

00:35:33.800 and then they can be

00:35:34.840 manipulated and controlled

00:35:35.980 by whoever commands

00:35:37.280 the,

00:35:38.500 uh,

00:35:39.320 addictions,

00:35:40.000 the passions

00:35:40.460 to which those different

00:35:42.000 human faculties

00:35:42.920 are enthralled,

00:35:44.160 um,

00:35:44.480 of which we are all

00:35:45.140 very familiar

00:35:45.640 in modernity.

00:35:46.540 And so this is,

00:35:47.700 the theology

00:35:48.520 is to discuss politics.

00:35:50.380 This whole discussion

00:35:51.300 has been a discussion

00:35:52.620 of politics.

00:35:53.980 We can't talk about

00:35:54.820 orthodoxy

00:35:55.380 without talking about

00:35:56.260 Chalcedon,

00:35:56.780 without talking about

00:35:57.340 everything we just

00:35:57.860 talked about.

00:35:58.620 And this is the problem.

00:36:00.060 This is why we're

00:36:00.620 having this talk

00:36:01.340 is because

00:36:01.880 the majority of people

00:36:03.680 in North America

00:36:04.360 who are orthodox

00:36:05.200 do not understand this.

00:36:06.900 And especially people

00:36:07.880 who try to talk about

00:36:08.760 the relationship

00:36:09.940 between orthodoxy

00:36:10.780 and politics

00:36:11.360 and justice

00:36:11.900 do not understand this.

00:36:13.880 Many good priests

00:36:14.780 don't even understand this.

00:36:16.580 And the situation,

00:36:18.260 you know,

00:36:18.560 and it's to a certain degree,

00:36:20.120 um,

00:36:20.480 it's because of lack

00:36:21.060 of education,

00:36:21.620 but the biggest problem

00:36:22.700 is because

00:36:23.240 the revolutionary

00:36:24.520 information warfare

00:36:25.620 culture is so

00:36:27.040 totalitarian

00:36:27.700 and so,

00:36:28.680 um,

00:36:30.080 penetrating,

00:36:31.060 you know,

00:36:31.660 it's difficult

00:36:32.440 to blame people.

00:36:33.780 Um,

00:36:34.640 I mean,

00:36:34.860 the world of the

00:36:35.640 New Testament

00:36:36.040 is so different

00:36:36.780 from,

00:36:37.240 you know,

00:36:37.740 America,

00:36:38.300 I mean,

00:36:38.580 as to be,

00:36:39.140 I mean,

00:36:39.560 it's a clown world,

00:36:40.480 right?

00:36:40.580 It's a joke,

00:36:41.520 you know,

00:36:41.900 I mean,

00:36:42.380 so,

00:36:46.040 moving on,

00:36:48.420 moving on a little bit,

00:36:49.260 I think that we can discuss

00:36:50.500 a couple of different things.

00:36:54.300 As we have sort of laid out,

00:36:56.140 the,

00:36:56.680 the goal of

00:36:57.920 an orthodox political philosophy

00:36:59.400 in North America

00:37:00.160 is more,

00:37:02.180 is to convert people

00:37:03.020 more than to disseminate,

00:37:04.280 um,

00:37:04.920 political propaganda.

00:37:06.420 Because if an orthodox

00:37:07.520 political philosophy

00:37:08.320 cannot be reached

00:37:09.220 unless someone is actually

00:37:10.300 orthodox

00:37:10.900 and is orthodox

00:37:11.700 enough to the point

00:37:12.400 where they understand

00:37:13.460 the intellectual

00:37:14.520 and the political

00:37:15.240 implications

00:37:15.740 of the dogma

00:37:16.400 of the faith,

00:37:17.080 then you're wasting

00:37:18.460 your time,

00:37:18.920 you're having a downstream

00:37:19.720 conversation with them.

00:37:21.700 Uh,

00:37:21.880 and this is the issue

00:37:22.900 we see with,

00:37:23.540 with the Amerodox

00:37:24.260 that come into the church

00:37:25.140 that people are converted,

00:37:26.560 you know,

00:37:26.760 in their heart

00:37:27.380 and perhaps in their mind

00:37:28.740 to come into the church

00:37:29.880 but not fully necessarily

00:37:31.180 in their mind

00:37:31.680 or in their body.

00:37:32.660 They haven't been

00:37:33.120 totally integrated

00:37:33.980 into the,

00:37:35.220 the reality,

00:37:36.200 uh,

00:37:36.680 that the church gives us.

00:37:38.100 And this is the,

00:37:38.880 the great problem

00:37:39.760 is that,

00:37:40.380 you know,

00:37:40.600 you're not supposed

00:37:41.100 to just be in the church

00:37:42.080 with your,

00:37:42.520 your mind and your heart

00:37:43.380 but with your body as well.

00:37:44.620 That's why you go

00:37:45.080 to the liturgy

00:37:45.720 and your body is ethnic,

00:37:46.820 your body is communal,

00:37:48.200 your body has a context,

00:37:49.780 your body speaks

00:37:50.380 a specific language,

00:37:51.840 right?

00:37:52.120 And all of these things

00:37:53.000 need to be converted

00:37:54.180 and need to be purified

00:37:55.440 and need to

00:37:56.140 not be,

00:37:57.480 um,

00:37:58.680 crushed or anything like this,

00:37:59.900 not to,

00:38:00.280 to be destroyed

00:38:00.920 but to be properly ordered

00:38:02.620 in light of the truth

00:38:03.620 in their particular context.

00:38:06.000 And so this is the task,

00:38:07.180 I think,

00:38:07.780 of people who are interested

00:38:08.880 in seeing the proliferation

00:38:10.400 of Orthodox politics

00:38:11.280 is fundamentally,

00:38:12.220 well,

00:38:12.320 you have to first

00:38:13.200 convert ourselves,

00:38:14.620 but people with,

00:38:15.240 there have been plenty

00:38:15.720 of people within the church

00:38:16.660 don't even understand

00:38:17.600 Orthodox politics

00:38:18.400 because their worldview

00:38:19.880 has been so warped

00:38:20.860 by, um,

00:38:22.060 you know,

00:38:22.260 nominalist Americanism.

00:38:23.680 This,

00:38:25.320 this is something

00:38:26.600 that I've,

00:38:27.540 you know,

00:38:28.100 dedicated my life

00:38:28.800 to trying to fix,

00:38:29.760 um,

00:38:30.720 and it's a thankless job.

00:38:32.300 I really should have

00:38:33.100 gone into my father's

00:38:33.840 funeral business,

00:38:34.400 um,

00:38:35.640 but I find that

00:38:37.520 90% of my discussions

00:38:38.980 with,

00:38:39.960 with good people

00:38:40.680 and you say,

00:38:41.660 you know,

00:38:41.800 it's not their fault

00:38:42.580 and it isn't,

00:38:43.740 uh,

00:38:44.380 it took me years

00:38:45.400 to stop thinking

00:38:46.880 like a martyr.

00:38:47.840 90% of my discussions

00:38:50.540 with these people

00:38:51.620 are about definitions

00:38:52.980 of words

00:38:53.480 because,

00:38:55.820 this is why Bible reading

00:38:56.900 to,

00:38:57.580 for most people

00:38:58.180 is so dangerous

00:38:58.800 because

00:39:00.020 they're talking

00:39:01.380 about a civilization

00:39:02.000 that existed

00:39:02.900 three,

00:39:03.480 four thousand years ago.

00:39:05.420 Even in translation,

00:39:07.120 these words

00:39:07.980 didn't mean the same thing,

00:39:09.500 uh,

00:39:10.220 as they meant back then.

00:39:11.840 Uh,

00:39:12.200 words like law

00:39:13.040 or love

00:39:14.440 or father,

00:39:15.540 these kind of things.

00:39:16.600 I mean,

00:39:16.760 you know,

00:39:16.940 people impose

00:39:17.740 our degenerate

00:39:18.680 2019,

00:39:20.520 um,

00:39:21.580 you know,

00:39:22.200 durationated

00:39:22.820 and completely drained

00:39:24.000 uh,

00:39:25.180 conceptions of these words

00:39:26.120 onto the ancient world

00:39:27.560 and I keep saying this

00:39:29.300 but university professors

00:39:30.240 do this all the time.

00:39:31.880 Our people

00:39:32.680 are constantly

00:39:33.360 debating moderns

00:39:35.000 uh,

00:39:36.880 on their field.

00:39:38.000 Moderns always have

00:39:38.820 the home field advantage

00:39:39.700 because,

00:39:40.880 um,

00:39:42.300 the world

00:39:42.740 that Thomas Hobbes

00:39:43.400 created

00:39:43.820 is the dominant one.

00:39:45.460 Thomas Hobbes

00:39:45.980 is the first political

00:39:47.320 philosopher I've ever read

00:39:48.200 uh,

00:39:49.320 my freshman year

00:39:49.920 in college

00:39:50.380 and

00:39:51.540 the,

00:39:54.000 the assumptions

00:39:54.520 that there are

00:39:55.940 simple

00:39:56.260 isolated individuals

00:39:57.640 that do not have

00:39:58.760 families,

00:39:59.100 they pop out of the ground

00:40:00.780 like mushrooms

00:40:02.100 and are immediately

00:40:04.180 self-interested

00:40:04.960 and go to war

00:40:06.000 with each other

00:40:06.480 and the only thing

00:40:07.660 that motivates them

00:40:08.420 is survival

00:40:09.820 and once that's completed

00:40:12.120 self-aggrandizement

00:40:13.220 and they will war

00:40:14.740 and war

00:40:15.120 and war

00:40:15.540 until finally

00:40:16.740 exhausted

00:40:17.280 they agree

00:40:18.760 to have someone

00:40:19.560 um,

00:40:21.060 as a referee

00:40:21.560 to protect them

00:40:22.140 from others.

00:40:23.840 This is

00:40:24.680 the ground

00:40:25.860 of the modern world.

00:40:27.180 That's the home field

00:40:28.160 advantage

00:40:28.560 that they have

00:40:29.180 and it's shocking

00:40:30.780 when you read

00:40:31.440 um,

00:40:32.200 Hobbes

00:40:32.540 then Locke

00:40:33.000 a bit later

00:40:33.420 that

00:40:34.500 uh,

00:40:36.060 most people

00:40:36.640 including very,

00:40:37.340 very good

00:40:37.620 Orthodox people

00:40:38.280 can't break away

00:40:39.640 from thinking

00:40:40.200 in those terms.

00:40:41.840 People can't

00:40:42.480 imagine a society

00:40:43.360 where everything

00:40:44.140 is ritualized.

00:40:46.140 Um,

00:40:46.700 medieval society

00:40:47.500 you know,

00:40:48.360 you didn't decide

00:40:49.000 one day

00:40:49.320 I'm gonna go to the market

00:40:50.060 you know,

00:40:50.560 I'm gonna go milk a cow

00:40:51.240 I'm gonna,

00:40:51.840 no,

00:40:52.260 everything was ritualized

00:40:53.500 and set out ahead of time.

00:40:55.300 Everything was liturgy.

00:40:57.240 Um,

00:40:57.640 they claim that

00:40:58.260 medieval peasants

00:40:59.500 were illiterate

00:41:00.120 but that's not quite true

00:41:01.900 because they could read

00:41:03.100 symbols far better

00:41:04.320 than,

00:41:05.800 than our educated

00:41:06.520 people can.

00:41:07.520 The entire church,

00:41:08.720 the,

00:41:08.840 the,

00:41:09.180 the architecture,

00:41:10.200 is about a restored

00:41:11.460 humanity.

00:41:12.720 Everything has a

00:41:13.900 iconic meaning

00:41:14.640 and an icon

00:41:15.900 is,

00:41:16.360 is a symbol.

00:41:17.120 A symbol is not

00:41:17.920 the opposite of substance

00:41:18.720 it's the introduction

00:41:20.140 to substance.

00:41:21.180 It's our first glimpse

00:41:22.300 of a world beyond

00:41:23.460 um,

00:41:25.180 uh,

00:41:25.480 the mundane.

00:41:26.860 Nomalism is the enemy

00:41:28.200 because,

00:41:30.100 as you know,

00:41:30.520 Thomas Hobbes

00:41:30.960 one of the great

00:41:31.480 nominalist theorists

00:41:32.320 coming right after

00:41:33.000 um,

00:41:33.440 William,

00:41:34.120 William of Alcombe,

00:41:35.440 um,

00:41:36.400 there is no meaning

00:41:37.560 to human action.

00:41:39.060 There is no meaning

00:41:39.880 meaning to the natural

00:41:40.440 order.

00:41:40.840 The natural order is dead.

00:41:43.260 John Locke says that

00:41:44.320 the only value that exists

00:41:45.820 is when a human worker

00:41:47.760 takes something out of

00:41:49.000 its natural state

00:41:49.740 and makes it something

00:41:50.500 you can use.

00:41:51.880 That's pure utilitarianism.

00:41:53.640 In other words,

00:41:53.920 the natural order has no value

00:41:55.100 in and of itself.

00:41:57.140 Industrialization,

00:41:58.040 the scientific mentality,

00:41:58.920 all of this is based

00:41:59.920 on all of these

00:42:00.780 assumptions

00:42:01.220 and even the most

00:42:03.500 educated and best

00:42:04.440 intentioned people

00:42:05.160 have no idea

00:42:06.560 how revolutionary

00:42:07.980 this stuff was.

00:42:10.540 In the ancient world,

00:42:11.560 medieval world,

00:42:12.580 law wasn't made.

00:42:14.480 You know,

00:42:14.600 legislatures didn't get

00:42:15.380 together and pass laws.

00:42:17.220 No,

00:42:17.400 laws were discovered

00:42:18.300 and through experience

00:42:20.340 they were fleshed out

00:42:21.440 and given more detail.

00:42:23.300 It wasn't like

00:42:25.760 you pass a law

00:42:26.500 and impose it

00:42:27.080 on a population.

00:42:29.000 No,

00:42:29.200 the law

00:42:29.640 already exists

00:42:31.040 and it has to be

00:42:32.780 refined

00:42:33.860 and altered

00:42:34.840 in a minor way

00:42:35.660 to associate it

00:42:38.300 with the local

00:42:39.100 population

00:42:39.520 and circumstances.

00:42:40.680 But it is not made.

00:42:41.840 It's not something

00:42:42.200 that you invent.

00:42:43.880 But the Hobbesian world,

00:42:45.220 that's all there is.

00:42:46.680 There's only one law

00:42:47.500 and that's survival.

00:42:48.260 Everything else

00:42:48.780 is up in the air.

00:42:50.120 It's all based on force

00:42:51.620 and self-interest

00:42:52.860 and it's shocking

00:42:53.580 how difficult it is

00:42:55.280 to break out

00:42:56.040 of that straitjacket.

00:42:58.760 Even with things

00:42:59.500 like power,

00:43:00.220 people assume

00:43:00.900 in political science

00:43:01.540 that politicians

00:43:03.120 and political actors

00:43:04.000 just seek more power,

00:43:05.960 forgetting that

00:43:06.560 the more power you have,

00:43:07.760 the more work you have,

00:43:08.860 the more responsibility

00:43:09.460 you have,

00:43:10.540 the harder your life is.

00:43:12.880 And these are assumptions

00:43:13.980 that are put into

00:43:14.660 every paper

00:43:15.340 in political science.

00:43:17.100 Thomas Hobbes

00:43:17.640 rules Western

00:43:19.180 society in every way

00:43:20.300 and how dangerous

00:43:22.000 this is.

00:43:22.520 And I might as well

00:43:23.000 include Machiavelli.

00:43:25.500 And this was

00:43:25.880 Leo Strauss' position

00:43:26.800 that this was

00:43:27.420 the birth of modernity,

00:43:29.040 the complete severance

00:43:29.920 of humanity

00:43:31.600 from any kind of,

00:43:33.120 not just divine,

00:43:33.820 but any kind of order

00:43:34.720 whatsoever.

00:43:37.140 So this is damage.

00:43:39.740 E. Michael Jones

00:43:40.300 had written an article

00:43:41.240 which I'm fascinated by

00:43:43.120 where he makes

00:43:44.860 the argument

00:43:45.240 that Newton's

00:43:47.640 cosmology,

00:43:49.320 essentially his laws

00:43:50.220 of motion,

00:43:51.500 were a way to justify

00:43:52.540 the removal of James

00:43:55.320 from the throne of England

00:43:56.680 and replacement

00:43:57.820 by William.

00:43:59.480 That there really

00:44:00.240 is no motion,

00:44:02.020 there is no law,

00:44:02.820 there is no real

00:44:03.420 objective law,

00:44:04.520 everything is just

00:44:05.140 random motion

00:44:05.820 cause and effect,

00:44:07.360 and that would justify,

00:44:09.080 of course,

00:44:09.360 the kind of usurpation.

00:44:10.720 His power is all that is.

00:44:11.800 And of course,

00:44:13.320 him being a strong

00:44:14.120 supporter of William,

00:44:16.040 that might make some sense.

00:44:18.200 And the battle

00:44:18.680 in the English Civil War

00:44:20.380 and the English Revolution

00:44:22.020 between James and William

00:44:23.360 is just that.

00:44:25.180 The battle between

00:44:26.320 a cosmic order

00:44:28.000 and self-interest.

00:44:31.220 And unfortunately,

00:44:31.740 we know who won there.

00:44:32.920 We also know

00:44:33.520 who was backing William.

00:44:34.980 What entity

00:44:35.580 was financing William?

00:44:37.560 The Hindus,

00:44:38.600 as we all know.

00:44:39.860 Yes.

00:44:39.980 So these are all

00:44:42.320 tightly connected.

00:44:43.780 And so we talk about

00:44:45.040 the negation of

00:44:46.120 Chalcedon

00:44:47.020 is Thomas Hobbes.

00:44:48.560 Thomas Hobbes

00:44:49.140 continues to rule

00:44:50.160 Western society

00:44:50.940 and it is very difficult,

00:44:52.560 especially for a young guy,

00:44:53.960 to break free

00:44:54.980 of this.

00:44:55.960 And I think the aesthetic life

00:44:56.860 has something to do with it.

00:44:57.840 Isolation has something

00:44:58.500 to do with it.

00:44:59.960 But it is brutal.

00:45:00.880 I mean,

00:45:01.000 we all fall into

00:45:02.040 Hobbesian categories

00:45:02.940 once in a while.

00:45:04.220 It's our default settings.

00:45:06.420 Our job is to break

00:45:07.620 those default settings.

00:45:08.640 And that's my whole life.

00:45:10.640 Yeah.

00:45:10.920 No,

00:45:11.080 and that's bang on.

00:45:12.020 That's exactly

00:45:12.480 what the goal

00:45:13.080 for us

00:45:14.460 Orthodox people is,

00:45:16.360 is to break out

00:45:17.280 of that mold.

00:45:18.280 That's the best thing

00:45:19.060 that we can do

00:45:19.580 both spiritually

00:45:20.460 but also politically.

00:45:21.740 Because the political

00:45:22.840 mode of control

00:45:23.980 relies around

00:45:24.920 controlling that

00:45:25.720 worldview

00:45:26.260 and that frame,

00:45:27.260 that moral narrative,

00:45:29.040 that primary loyalty,

00:45:30.940 that by conditioning

00:45:31.980 the mind

00:45:32.600 and conditioning

00:45:33.100 the soul

00:45:33.680 and conditioning

00:45:34.100 the body

00:45:34.640 with drugs

00:45:36.100 and propaganda,

00:45:36.820 the regime

00:45:38.240 is able to

00:45:38.800 effectively

00:45:39.280 dissipate

00:45:40.540 this energy

00:45:44.160 and control

00:45:44.680 people

00:45:45.140 by couching

00:45:47.400 them in

00:45:47.960 a set of

00:45:48.440 assumptions,

00:45:48.940 especially moral

00:45:49.740 assumptions,

00:45:50.160 which make

00:45:51.360 resistance to that

00:45:52.460 laughable.

00:45:53.080 And so that's,

00:45:54.020 you know,

00:45:54.240 I mean,

00:45:54.440 a good example

00:45:54.960 is with the fags,

00:45:55.880 obviously,

00:45:56.460 because they are used

00:45:57.040 as the,

00:45:57.620 they're such a visible

00:45:58.460 tool of cultural

00:46:00.300 disintegration.

00:46:01.080 And so,

00:46:03.840 you know,

00:46:04.380 you go try and talk

00:46:05.560 to someone on the street

00:46:06.300 about sexual ethics,

00:46:08.640 you know,

00:46:08.960 go try and explain

00:46:09.900 to some random person,

00:46:11.480 you know,

00:46:12.080 the traditional view,

00:46:13.020 orthodox view

00:46:13.520 on sexual ethics,

00:46:14.280 it's, you know,

00:46:14.640 you're liable to be

00:46:15.260 assaulted,

00:46:16.360 you know,

00:46:16.940 these days.

00:46:18.280 The level of moral

00:46:20.080 dissonance

00:46:20.640 is so far away

00:46:22.400 that you're not

00:46:23.720 speaking the same

00:46:24.400 language, right?

00:46:25.260 And so that's what's

00:46:25.900 necessary is to,

00:46:27.200 A, for us,

00:46:28.000 not to apply those

00:46:28.880 moral standards

00:46:30.020 and moral context

00:46:30.860 to our own lives,

00:46:31.720 but to apply genuine

00:46:32.600 morality,

00:46:33.360 not moralizing,

00:46:34.400 and to try and bring

00:46:35.580 that reality

00:46:36.680 to other people.

00:46:37.660 And the best way

00:46:38.320 that that can be

00:46:38.780 accomplished,

00:46:39.260 for those who are not

00:46:40.100 already totally

00:46:40.980 spiritually dead,

00:46:42.220 is through the

00:46:42.880 divine liturgy.

00:46:43.860 I mean,

00:46:44.120 it's through the

00:46:44.760 expression of

00:46:45.840 this worldview,

00:46:47.540 of the orthodox

00:46:48.220 worldview,

00:46:48.560 in symbolic terms,

00:46:50.060 which is what

00:46:50.960 the divine liturgy

00:46:51.800 is exactly.

00:46:53.200 And that is why

00:46:53.760 the destruction of

00:46:54.680 any remnant of

00:46:55.860 traditional liturgical

00:46:56.780 celebration and operation,

00:46:59.000 especially Vatican II,

00:47:00.080 and what we're seeing

00:47:00.760 was,

00:47:01.740 we saw this in the

00:47:02.300 Russian Revolution

00:47:02.820 with the renovationists,

00:47:04.340 various directions,

00:47:05.720 these Constantinople

00:47:06.540 are going,

00:47:07.440 is to destroy,

00:47:08.260 to denude,

00:47:09.400 right,

00:47:09.700 the liturgy of

00:47:10.520 its ability to

00:47:11.660 connect people to

00:47:12.320 that symbolic world,

00:47:13.680 especially because

00:47:14.420 that world is true,

00:47:15.500 and heaven actually

00:47:16.340 does come to earth

00:47:17.100 at the divine liturgy,

00:47:18.540 and that man is able

00:47:19.580 to find healing

00:47:20.540 and reorganization

00:47:21.480 and a return to

00:47:22.540 logos in that context.

00:47:24.220 I mean,

00:47:24.400 that's the whole

00:47:24.860 mystery of Christ.

00:47:26.180 That's why we go

00:47:26.720 to the liturgy,

00:47:27.400 is to renew

00:47:28.700 that kingdom within us,

00:47:29.780 to enter into

00:47:30.840 the kingdom of heaven,

00:47:32.200 which is here for us

00:47:32.840 on earth,

00:47:33.200 now,

00:47:33.620 at the divine liturgy,

00:47:34.660 as members of the church,

00:47:36.240 you know,

00:47:36.660 throughout our whole lives.

00:47:37.900 So this is the goal

00:47:38.800 of an orthodox Christian,

00:47:39.680 this is why orthodoxy

00:47:40.580 is truly the only way,

00:47:41.760 because it's the truth,

00:47:42.560 it's the true logos,

00:47:43.760 it's the true worldview.

00:47:45.320 And so the way

00:47:47.560 to reintroduce

00:47:49.560 these concepts,

00:47:50.540 which can enable

00:47:51.500 political justice,

00:47:53.560 right,

00:47:53.780 is to be orthodox.

00:47:55.020 But the contrary opinion

00:47:57.060 is also correct,

00:47:57.880 is that if you are

00:47:58.600 an orthodox person,

00:47:59.620 you have a duty

00:48:00.800 to support political justice.

00:48:02.740 It's not,

00:48:03.660 you don't get to exclude

00:48:04.980 orthodox concepts

00:48:05.980 of justice and dignity

00:48:07.520 from the political sphere

00:48:08.860 because they are

00:48:09.480 inconvenient to you,

00:48:10.760 or because American

00:48:11.840 secularism tells you

00:48:12.900 that that's all right.

00:48:14.660 And especially,

00:48:15.500 like,

00:48:15.620 and this is the thing

00:48:16.220 that is more than this,

00:48:17.620 you get to people will,

00:48:19.040 it's almost blasphemous,

00:48:20.240 but it's not quite,

00:48:21.860 is people,

00:48:22.460 when they project

00:48:23.400 cosmopolitanism

00:48:24.500 onto the Roman Empire

00:48:26.420 and onto the Byzantine Empire,

00:48:28.240 this is the worst thing

00:48:29.020 that I've run into,

00:48:29.920 is people will try

00:48:30.640 to argue that

00:48:31.360 Eastern Rome

00:48:32.180 was an American-style

00:48:33.840 cosmopolitan,

00:48:35.980 a-ethnic,

00:48:37.200 you know,

00:48:38.480 religious empire,

00:48:40.500 right,

00:48:40.660 and that all,

00:48:41.580 you know,

00:48:41.780 ethnicity was abnegated

00:48:43.100 to,

00:48:43.760 was not a problem

00:48:47.980 at all,

00:48:48.300 it was like,

00:48:49.200 it had nothing

00:48:50.500 to do with it,

00:48:51.120 it was the same

00:48:51.800 as modern,

00:48:53.040 you know,

00:48:53.900 Marlotto-style

00:48:55.040 cosmopolitanism,

00:48:56.740 it's really,

00:48:57.940 I mean,

00:48:58.220 it's pretty shocking,

00:48:59.280 but this is the times

00:49:00.540 and days that we live in,

00:49:01.280 is that,

00:49:01.600 you know,

00:49:01.760 you have orthodox priests

00:49:02.820 who actually think

00:49:04.080 that Eastern Rome

00:49:06.000 was like America

00:49:07.300 circa,

00:49:07.960 you know,

00:49:08.240 1950.

00:49:08.700 For people who aren't

00:49:13.900 familiar with my work

00:49:15.360 at rustjournal.org,

00:49:16.760 I have two papers there

00:49:18.840 on this topic,

00:49:23.260 the so-called

00:49:24.920 philatist issue,

00:49:26.960 which gets thrown

00:49:27.600 at us all the time,

00:49:28.480 and I go into

00:49:31.620 great detail there

00:49:32.460 that

00:49:33.580 that

00:49:34.960 synod of

00:49:36.380 1872

00:49:37.480 was rejected

00:49:38.280 by the entire

00:49:39.240 orthodox world

00:49:39.940 at the

00:49:41.320 exarchate

00:49:41.780 of Bulgaria

00:49:42.640 was in full

00:49:43.220 communion with Russia

00:49:43.900 right up until

00:49:44.420 the end,

00:49:45.480 that it was just

00:49:47.480 Constantinople

00:49:48.100 who

00:49:48.620 saw their

00:49:50.120 bishops removed

00:49:51.500 and therefore

00:49:51.960 those

00:49:52.480 revenues

00:49:55.880 eliminated.

00:49:56.740 that is not

00:49:58.980 an issue,

00:49:59.860 and somehow

00:50:00.400 that that gets

00:50:01.100 translated to

00:50:02.200 the ethnic

00:50:03.400 nationalism that

00:50:04.000 was so ordinary

00:50:04.780 back then

00:50:05.720 to today

00:50:07.840 is completely

00:50:09.060 and utterly

00:50:09.500 dishonest.

00:50:10.800 One of the ways

00:50:11.240 that,

00:50:13.680 one way to spot

00:50:14.360 an amateur

00:50:14.800 or an ignoramus

00:50:16.160 on these topics

00:50:16.820 is when they

00:50:17.600 impose

00:50:19.280 Western concepts

00:50:20.800 onto the medieval

00:50:21.900 world or the

00:50:22.520 ancient world

00:50:23.040 or even the

00:50:23.700 19th century world.

00:50:24.940 They start referring

00:50:25.900 to things like

00:50:26.440 civil rights

00:50:27.000 when they deal

00:50:28.440 with medieval

00:50:29.720 Novgorod or

00:50:30.240 something like

00:50:30.620 that.

00:50:31.440 Concepts that

00:50:32.120 didn't exist

00:50:33.000 at the time

00:50:34.280 that,

00:50:36.760 you know,

00:50:37.200 they refer to

00:50:38.160 individuals,

00:50:38.840 like individual

00:50:39.300 peasants relative

00:50:40.060 to the landlord.

00:50:42.180 But there was

00:50:42.540 no such entity.

00:50:43.320 Peasants were

00:50:43.700 always in

00:50:44.360 communal forms.

00:50:46.500 But almost

00:50:47.220 every book in

00:50:47.720 the Russian Empire

00:50:48.280 will explain to

00:50:49.060 you that a

00:50:50.420 peasant

00:50:50.740 contracted with

00:50:52.760 a lord.

00:50:54.400 And of course

00:50:54.640 that never

00:50:55.040 happened.

00:50:55.300 that was

00:50:56.140 never the

00:50:56.460 case.

00:50:57.760 The assumption

00:50:58.800 that individuals

00:50:59.860 mattered.

00:51:01.940 There was

00:51:02.220 no such

00:51:02.540 entity.

00:51:03.700 You know,

00:51:03.880 all the great

00:51:04.340 medieval writers

00:51:04.940 are referring

00:51:05.340 to communities

00:51:05.920 of people.

00:51:08.860 And of course

00:51:09.540 in the Old

00:51:09.840 Testament,

00:51:10.280 it was the

00:51:10.820 family.

00:51:12.520 And at the

00:51:12.980 Jubilee,

00:51:13.340 every 50

00:51:13.680 years,

00:51:14.680 all the land

00:51:15.500 that had been

00:51:16.560 traded and

00:51:17.180 bought and

00:51:17.640 sold went

00:51:18.720 back to its

00:51:20.280 original clan

00:51:21.620 ownership.

00:51:21.980 and,

00:51:23.900 you know,

00:51:24.780 with a

00:51:24.960 Jubilee course

00:51:25.380 every seven

00:51:25.780 years,

00:51:26.060 but then

00:51:26.260 every 50

00:51:26.600 years was

00:51:26.940 kind of

00:51:27.120 the super

00:51:27.420 one where

00:51:28.500 everything,

00:51:29.020 all slaves

00:51:29.360 were freed,

00:51:29.740 everything was

00:51:30.100 changed.

00:51:31.360 And of

00:51:32.320 course in

00:51:32.540 an individualistic

00:51:33.320 society coming

00:51:34.000 from Thomas

00:51:34.440 Hamza,

00:51:34.700 it's impossible

00:51:35.240 to even

00:51:36.100 conceive of

00:51:36.600 that.

00:51:36.760 And so I

00:51:40.560 find most

00:51:41.300 of the time

00:51:41.760 I'm fighting

00:51:44.260 the battle

00:51:44.680 where these

00:51:45.920 people are

00:51:46.260 simply using

00:51:47.700 language that

00:51:49.160 you would talk

00:51:49.540 about today in

00:51:50.220 the presidential

00:51:50.660 election with,

00:51:52.500 you know,

00:51:53.020 the accession of

00:51:54.020 Basil II.

00:51:56.040 You know,

00:51:56.460 and,

00:51:57.340 but again,

00:51:57.960 university

00:51:58.240 professors do

00:51:58.780 this every

00:51:59.420 single day.

00:52:00.180 They assume

00:52:00.820 it in every

00:52:01.180 publication.

00:52:02.780 And now

00:52:03.980 that I could

00:52:04.600 read Russian,

00:52:05.240 I see that

00:52:05.660 Russian scholars

00:52:06.260 don't have this

00:52:06.740 problem because

00:52:08.120 they're coming

00:52:08.380 from a very

00:52:08.780 different background.

00:52:10.260 And that's

00:52:10.500 why so much

00:52:11.260 of the medieval

00:52:12.020 history written

00:52:12.520 by Westerners

00:52:13.040 is useless

00:52:13.480 because it

00:52:14.580 starts from

00:52:14.960 the point

00:52:15.200 of view

00:52:15.460 that,

00:52:16.260 well,

00:52:16.340 everyone's

00:52:16.700 really an

00:52:16.960 American

00:52:17.240 deep down

00:52:17.740 inside.

00:52:19.060 And they

00:52:19.800 assume that

00:52:21.680 the self-interest

00:52:23.720 of people back

00:52:24.560 then as

00:52:25.240 individuals was

00:52:26.220 the same as

00:52:26.640 it is now.

00:52:28.660 And it's

00:52:29.520 just,

00:52:29.960 it's very

00:52:30.720 difficult to

00:52:31.320 think like

00:52:31.960 medieval because

00:52:33.080 you have to

00:52:33.760 eliminate every

00:52:34.660 assumption that

00:52:35.300 you have now.

00:52:35.960 I've made

00:52:38.660 great progress

00:52:39.140 in that case.

00:52:40.340 I don't

00:52:40.460 think we

00:52:40.620 could ever

00:52:40.820 do it

00:52:41.060 completely,

00:52:42.420 but this

00:52:43.940 is something

00:52:44.240 that we

00:52:44.560 really have

00:52:45.160 to do.

00:52:46.180 When we

00:52:46.380 go to

00:52:46.560 liturgy,

00:52:47.000 it isn't

00:52:47.260 just some

00:52:47.880 quaint

00:52:48.460 objects and

00:52:51.220 symbols.

00:52:52.240 We realize

00:52:52.920 that this

00:52:53.420 is the

00:52:55.160 connection

00:52:55.440 between

00:52:55.780 heaven and

00:52:56.120 earth.

00:52:56.480 This is

00:52:57.580 where the

00:52:58.020 physical

00:52:58.260 meets the

00:52:58.840 spiritual.

00:52:59.760 and it

00:53:01.620 can't be

00:53:01.920 changed in

00:53:02.820 any radical

00:53:03.160 way for

00:53:03.540 that reason.

00:53:05.580 But we're

00:53:06.140 fighting a

00:53:06.440 losing battle

00:53:07.000 not because

00:53:07.980 we have

00:53:08.380 bad people

00:53:08.960 but because

00:53:10.660 they're born

00:53:11.180 and raised

00:53:11.640 in the most

00:53:12.540 decadent society

00:53:13.180 that ever

00:53:13.420 lived.

00:53:14.460 So this is

00:53:15.040 going to be

00:53:15.320 a matter of

00:53:15.840 a small

00:53:16.260 group of

00:53:16.560 people

00:53:16.880 separating and

00:53:18.860 living a

00:53:19.160 very different

00:53:19.520 life from

00:53:19.880 everybody else.

00:53:21.180 Metaphysics has

00:53:21.780 everything to do

00:53:22.420 with how we

00:53:22.900 live on a

00:53:23.520 day-to-day

00:53:23.780 basis.

00:53:24.860 The difference

00:53:25.200 between sort

00:53:26.620 of the modern

00:53:26.960 man looking

00:53:27.480 at a

00:53:28.880 landscape and

00:53:30.400 a great

00:53:30.760 ascetic looking

00:53:31.300 at a

00:53:31.500 landscape is

00:53:32.700 that the

00:53:32.900 ascetic sees

00:53:33.800 universal.

00:53:35.160 Logos is

00:53:35.800 present there.

00:53:37.000 The nature

00:53:37.440 of the law

00:53:37.860 that governs

00:53:38.400 these things

00:53:39.000 is present

00:53:40.060 there.

00:53:40.640 God is

00:53:41.260 an icon.

00:53:42.660 Well, the

00:53:43.220 only thing

00:53:43.460 the modern

00:53:43.840 sees is

00:53:44.640 color and

00:53:45.180 shape,

00:53:45.960 cause and

00:53:46.340 effect,

00:53:46.820 violent,

00:53:47.300 coercion,

00:53:48.580 one group

00:53:49.020 fighting another

00:53:49.400 group.

00:53:49.600 That's all

00:53:49.820 they can

00:53:50.100 see.

00:53:51.640 But that

00:53:52.160 comes from

00:53:52.480 the fall.

00:53:53.820 The fall

00:53:54.420 forced us to

00:53:55.080 use,

00:53:55.600 the fall of

00:53:55.960 Adam I

00:53:56.220 mean,

00:53:56.360 forced us

00:53:57.200 to use

00:53:57.560 concepts.

00:53:58.580 No longer

00:53:58.980 was there

00:53:59.380 an intuitive

00:54:00.020 connection

00:54:01.360 between God

00:54:02.460 and man.

00:54:03.020 We had to

00:54:03.380 now separate

00:54:04.060 with concepts

00:54:04.940 and ideas.

00:54:07.360 What happens

00:54:07.980 to us in

00:54:08.820 our own

00:54:09.060 life?

00:54:09.440 You know,

00:54:09.620 a young

00:54:09.940 child who

00:54:11.020 is,

00:54:11.620 you know,

00:54:12.760 the closest

00:54:13.260 to what

00:54:13.600 Adam was,

00:54:14.760 loves his

00:54:15.240 family and

00:54:15.680 trusts them

00:54:16.140 without using

00:54:18.440 concepts.

00:54:19.520 He can't

00:54:19.920 explain to

00:54:20.360 you why he

00:54:20.780 just does.

00:54:22.780 But when

00:54:23.420 we get older

00:54:23.820 now we have

00:54:24.200 to explain

00:54:24.700 it.

00:54:24.980 Our reason

00:54:25.500 gets channeled

00:54:26.380 into these

00:54:27.180 specific operations

00:54:28.060 because the

00:54:28.440 economy demands

00:54:29.120 it and we

00:54:30.160 lose that

00:54:30.860 innocence.

00:54:32.520 And so

00:54:34.240 everything gets

00:54:35.000 mediated with

00:54:36.020 words and

00:54:37.400 coercion and

00:54:38.120 power.

00:54:39.860 And overcoming

00:54:41.540 that is

00:54:43.000 really,

00:54:43.540 for me,

00:54:43.960 the biggest

00:54:44.720 reason to

00:54:46.220 become an

00:54:46.500 ascetic and

00:54:47.440 to live an

00:54:47.760 ascetic life,

00:54:48.760 to break your

00:54:49.500 dependency on

00:54:50.300 that kind of

00:54:50.720 thing.

00:54:51.340 Theology can't

00:54:51.980 be done on

00:54:52.560 a full

00:54:52.840 stomach,

00:54:53.400 as St.

00:54:53.660 Simeon

00:54:53.920 says.

00:54:55.540 Yeah,

00:54:56.180 that's

00:54:56.620 exactly

00:54:56.900 correct.

00:54:58.420 And it's

00:54:59.280 interesting,

00:54:59.680 I've been

00:54:59.860 reading Michael

00:55:01.500 Hoffman's Occult

00:55:02.400 Renaissance Church

00:55:03.080 of Rome

00:55:03.420 recently,

00:55:04.140 and I think

00:55:04.660 this plays

00:55:05.020 in here

00:55:05.580 exactly

00:55:06.240 perfectly.

00:55:08.720 I remember

00:55:09.400 I was once

00:55:09.900 asked after I

00:55:10.580 recorded a

00:55:11.080 podcast on the

00:55:11.680 subject of

00:55:12.100 nihilism.

00:55:13.020 The fellow

00:55:13.480 put to me

00:55:13.860 the question,

00:55:14.540 if Christianity

00:55:15.200 is the

00:55:16.000 truth and

00:55:16.640 it composes

00:55:17.220 the logos

00:55:19.200 come down

00:55:19.540 from heaven,

00:55:20.400 then how

00:55:20.760 come Christianity

00:55:21.280 was not able

00:55:22.020 to be more

00:55:22.460 of a bulwark

00:55:22.980 against the

00:55:23.400 forces of

00:55:23.880 liberalism?

00:55:25.180 And I

00:55:25.380 thought,

00:55:25.640 hmm,

00:55:25.820 well,

00:55:25.940 that's an

00:55:26.180 interesting

00:55:26.480 question.

00:55:26.920 I've got to

00:55:27.120 think about

00:55:27.440 that a

00:55:27.660 little bit.

00:55:28.620 And,

00:55:28.900 you know,

00:55:29.600 Dr. Johnson

00:55:30.500 devoted significant

00:55:32.240 work along

00:55:32.880 with many

00:55:33.660 other quite

00:55:34.880 diligent

00:55:35.140 researchers to

00:55:35.700 trying to

00:55:36.400 answer this

00:55:37.240 question as

00:55:37.720 to how we've

00:55:38.340 arrived at

00:55:39.200 the depths of

00:55:40.100 modern

00:55:40.820 degeneracy from

00:55:41.900 the Christian

00:55:43.460 Roman Empire.

00:55:44.880 But one of

00:55:46.240 the things that

00:55:46.800 when you read

00:55:47.900 writers like

00:55:48.560 Hoffman that

00:55:49.040 becomes very

00:55:49.540 clear is

00:55:51.640 that ideas

00:55:52.100 have consequences

00:55:52.960 and that

00:55:53.840 ideas are

00:55:54.640 directly tied

00:55:55.380 with both

00:55:55.840 political and

00:55:56.500 money power.

00:55:57.540 That the

00:55:57.780 context for

00:55:58.420 the entry of

00:55:59.160 the Renaissance

00:55:59.620 into Europe

00:56:00.280 was the

00:56:00.760 Council of

00:56:01.480 Florence and

00:56:02.340 the importation

00:56:03.080 by the

00:56:03.420 Medici banking

00:56:03.980 clan of

00:56:04.700 the Greek

00:56:05.620 texts of

00:56:06.140 the Corpus

00:56:06.580 Hermeticum and

00:56:07.260 other occult

00:56:07.760 works.

00:56:08.840 And it's

00:56:09.420 fascinating because

00:56:10.680 this, I'm

00:56:12.300 sure that for

00:56:12.800 you, this is

00:56:13.440 your life's

00:56:14.600 work, you see

00:56:15.200 this most

00:56:15.580 directly as a

00:56:16.180 historian, is

00:56:17.280 that many of

00:56:17.900 these are not

00:56:18.300 secret truths.

00:56:19.040 This is a

00:56:19.640 matter of

00:56:20.140 plain historical

00:56:20.980 inquiry and it

00:56:22.000 reads very

00:56:22.540 plainly.

00:56:23.260 It's quite

00:56:23.540 bare and it's

00:56:25.200 amazing what

00:56:25.760 people like

00:56:26.220 Hoffman can do

00:56:26.960 just by going

00:56:27.880 and looking at

00:56:28.420 some of these

00:56:28.780 primary documents

00:56:29.840 and assembling

00:56:30.320 them and

00:56:31.100 demonstrating like,

00:56:31.820 you know, this is

00:56:32.220 exactly, this is

00:56:32.900 what has happened.

00:56:34.560 It's quite shocking.

00:56:35.880 I mean, early

00:56:36.520 Christian history is

00:56:37.280 another extremely

00:56:38.420 egregious example

00:56:39.220 of this.

00:56:39.620 But we can

00:56:42.280 trace this line

00:56:42.920 directly from

00:56:44.340 the divergence,

00:56:45.240 the great

00:56:45.780 schism between

00:56:46.280 the churches,

00:56:47.060 right?

00:56:47.220 The errors of

00:56:47.980 the Roman

00:56:48.260 papacy, which

00:56:49.220 eventually culminated

00:56:50.100 in the

00:56:50.380 Renaissance, which

00:56:51.060 loosed the

00:56:51.860 forces of

00:56:52.400 modernity upon

00:56:53.380 the entire

00:56:53.800 world.

00:56:57.720 Well, I've

00:56:58.280 already mentioned

00:56:59.060 St.

00:56:59.860 Photius, the

00:57:00.300 connection of

00:57:00.780 the Trinity

00:57:01.480 to mass

00:57:02.760 politics.

00:57:03.200 that was a

00:57:04.980 way to

00:57:06.480 dethrone the

00:57:07.040 king because

00:57:08.380 now the

00:57:09.600 Christ ends

00:57:11.300 up being a

00:57:12.100 an agent

00:57:12.940 of the

00:57:14.800 of the

00:57:15.620 father and

00:57:16.200 creates the

00:57:17.020 spirit.

00:57:18.960 The other

00:57:19.700 problem with

00:57:20.200 that, of

00:57:20.540 course, is

00:57:21.000 the heresy

00:57:21.900 that separates

00:57:22.960 the two

00:57:23.220 churches and

00:57:23.700 that created

00:57:24.120 grace.

00:57:26.620 For the

00:57:27.320 ancients and

00:57:27.800 for us,

00:57:28.900 grace is a

00:57:29.800 single entity.

00:57:31.320 Grace is

00:57:31.720 nothing more

00:57:32.180 than God's

00:57:32.820 will.

00:57:33.200 God's

00:57:33.560 presence on

00:57:34.020 this

00:57:34.180 earth, the

00:57:35.020 light, the

00:57:35.500 spirit, it's

00:57:36.180 all one in

00:57:36.580 the same

00:57:36.980 energy, it's

00:57:38.460 all one in

00:57:38.780 the same

00:57:39.040 concept.

00:57:40.080 It's not a

00:57:40.720 mysterious one.

00:57:43.380 When you

00:57:44.240 dethrone the

00:57:46.560 Holy Spirit

00:57:47.020 by making it

00:57:48.140 a tertiary

00:57:49.420 creation, and

00:57:52.600 then you call

00:57:53.000 the Pope the

00:57:53.780 vicar of

00:57:54.140 Christ, well

00:57:56.120 that puts

00:57:56.560 the Pope in

00:57:58.100 the same

00:57:58.360 position in

00:57:59.060 their error as

00:58:00.620 the creator of

00:58:01.480 the Holy

00:58:01.680 Spirit, which

00:58:02.720 is grace.

00:58:04.200 And this

00:58:04.640 is where the

00:58:05.400 notion of

00:58:05.680 created grace

00:58:06.080 comes from.

00:58:06.920 The papacy

00:58:07.280 decides where

00:58:07.880 grace goes.

00:58:09.240 And that was

00:58:09.600 most blatantly

00:58:10.200 shown in

00:58:10.860 indulgences.

00:58:13.300 And that, of

00:58:13.960 course, leads to

00:58:14.620 pure secularism.

00:58:16.340 As Dostoevsky

00:58:16.820 says, you

00:58:17.600 could take

00:58:18.020 Christ completely

00:58:18.760 out of the

00:58:20.420 Roman church and

00:58:21.540 it wouldn't

00:58:21.960 change a bit

00:58:22.420 because it's

00:58:24.620 based on

00:58:25.200 bureaucracy and

00:58:26.280 protocol and

00:58:28.340 taking these

00:58:28.900 rules and

00:58:29.340 canons literally

00:58:30.040 as like a

00:58:31.060 constitution of

00:58:31.660 the state.

00:58:32.860 It's no

00:58:33.560 accident that

00:58:34.260 so much of

00:58:34.960 the early

00:58:35.420 republican

00:58:35.880 thinking comes

00:58:37.440 from people

00:58:37.720 like Robert

00:58:38.100 Bellamy because

00:58:39.480 the papacy was

00:58:40.060 at war with

00:58:40.960 western monarchs.

00:58:42.560 That was never

00:58:43.480 a problem in

00:58:44.420 the east because

00:58:46.360 the Roman

00:58:46.680 Pope took

00:58:47.400 on both

00:58:48.160 natures of

00:58:49.840 Chalcedon, so

00:58:50.360 to speak, which

00:58:51.380 was a terrible

00:58:51.820 error.

00:58:53.420 It would be

00:58:54.000 like a bishop

00:58:54.420 claiming to

00:58:55.140 rule the

00:58:56.200 world, which

00:58:57.100 is exactly

00:58:57.420 what the

00:58:58.060 papacy does.

00:58:59.800 So the

00:59:00.480 filioque, I

00:59:01.620 use no way

00:59:02.780 to exaggerate

00:59:03.500 the immense

00:59:04.180 significance that

00:59:04.780 it had on

00:59:05.800 the degeneration

00:59:06.420 of the west.

00:59:08.220 But even a

00:59:08.900 very good

00:59:09.200 historian coming

00:59:09.880 across this for

00:59:10.420 the first time,

00:59:11.800 you know, you

00:59:12.200 may as well be

00:59:12.580 speaking to him

00:59:13.000 in Bulgarian.

00:59:15.060 It takes a

00:59:15.880 lot of work to

00:59:16.960 tease this all

00:59:18.180 out and how

00:59:18.600 this can work

00:59:19.160 both intellectually

00:59:19.800 and as it

00:59:20.940 unpacked itself

00:59:21.660 over time.

00:59:24.180 Now I've

00:59:24.680 taught many

00:59:26.020 classes in the

00:59:26.620 renaissance,

00:59:27.940 around St.

00:59:28.260 Mary's and

00:59:28.580 elsewhere, and

00:59:29.920 you know, the

00:59:31.080 textbooks are, I

00:59:32.460 never even used

00:59:32.940 textbooks, I

00:59:33.480 don't even

00:59:33.720 remember what

00:59:34.100 they were.

00:59:36.680 You'll read in

00:59:37.280 every textbook

00:59:37.720 that the

00:59:38.000 renaissance was

00:59:39.320 the renewal

00:59:40.820 of the

00:59:42.440 ancient classics

00:59:43.100 and ancient

00:59:43.700 texts, as if

00:59:45.900 there was ever

00:59:46.240 a time when

00:59:46.740 those texts

00:59:47.080 were forgotten.

00:59:49.840 Virgil and

00:59:50.360 Horace and

00:59:50.700 everything else

00:59:51.120 were read in

00:59:51.640 the 13th

00:59:52.080 century as

00:59:52.440 much as they

00:59:52.680 were read

00:59:52.900 later.

00:59:54.020 So it

00:59:54.340 can't be

00:59:54.640 that.

00:59:55.840 No, it's

00:59:56.440 the

00:59:56.680 Hermeticum, as

00:59:57.180 you already

00:59:57.740 mentioned.

00:59:58.220 It's the

00:59:58.540 discovery of

00:59:59.080 the Arcana

00:59:59.600 and the

01:00:00.900 adoption of

01:00:01.740 the Kabbalah

01:00:02.680 by people

01:00:03.060 like Pico

01:00:03.980 and Fikino

01:00:04.720 and Bruno

01:00:05.680 who pretended

01:00:07.540 to be

01:00:08.020 Christians while

01:00:09.100 promoting what

01:00:09.940 would later

01:00:10.220 on be called

01:00:10.720 Judaization,

01:00:11.940 which was

01:00:12.700 heavy in the

01:00:13.500 creation of

01:00:14.140 the reaction

01:00:14.740 of the

01:00:15.980 Reformation.

01:00:18.020 That's what

01:00:18.660 makes it

01:00:19.040 different.

01:00:19.300 That's what

01:00:19.660 was revived.

01:00:20.960 That's why

01:00:21.380 people call

01:00:21.920 the Middle

01:00:22.200 Ages the

01:00:22.560 Dark Ages.

01:00:23.000 But you

01:00:25.640 won't

01:00:25.760 see here

01:00:26.000 this in

01:00:26.240 a textbook.

01:00:27.640 And this

01:00:27.860 was all

01:00:28.320 financed by

01:00:28.960 one group

01:00:29.460 of people,

01:00:31.020 the

01:00:31.100 Medici banking

01:00:31.800 clan in

01:00:32.400 Florence, who

01:00:33.380 did it while

01:00:34.640 claiming to

01:00:35.160 be just a

01:00:37.820 banking family.

01:00:38.660 And of course

01:00:38.880 they were able

01:00:39.260 to elect

01:00:39.620 popes.

01:00:41.040 Michael

01:00:41.240 Hoffman's

01:00:41.600 book on

01:00:41.880 this subject,

01:00:42.320 which I've

01:00:42.560 read many

01:00:42.860 times, is

01:00:43.860 an absolute

01:00:44.780 diamond.

01:00:46.780 He completely

01:00:47.240 gets it.

01:00:47.680 And these

01:00:48.740 ideas, over

01:00:49.460 time, work

01:00:52.440 its way into

01:00:53.420 the day-to-day

01:00:54.020 assumptions of

01:00:57.100 common

01:00:58.300 thought.

01:00:59.180 It took a

01:00:59.620 long time, but

01:01:01.040 there's a

01:01:01.240 direct line

01:01:01.800 between the

01:01:03.000 resurrection of

01:01:03.720 the Corpus

01:01:04.000 Medicum that

01:01:04.500 you see with

01:01:05.140 Bruno and

01:01:05.680 everyone at

01:01:06.040 the Renaissance,

01:01:06.840 which is what

01:01:07.100 the Renaissance

01:01:07.360 refers to, to

01:01:09.160 Thomas Hobbes,

01:01:10.440 the complete

01:01:11.060 disintegration of

01:01:12.980 Plato's

01:01:14.140 archetypes.

01:01:15.460 Now, let's

01:01:16.180 make it clear.

01:01:16.680 the Church

01:01:17.600 has condemned

01:01:18.180 Platonism.

01:01:19.480 That has

01:01:20.220 nothing to do

01:01:20.880 with Plato.

01:01:22.080 It refers to

01:01:23.340 Neoplatonic

01:01:24.120 thought.

01:01:25.440 That's a

01:01:26.000 reference to

01:01:26.600 magic and

01:01:27.420 alchemy that

01:01:29.180 you find in

01:01:29.660 people like

01:01:30.020 Pico and

01:01:30.780 Bruno.

01:01:31.840 It has

01:01:32.260 nothing to

01:01:33.000 do with

01:01:33.360 Plato, a

01:01:33.920 philosopher, who

01:01:34.940 would have no

01:01:35.920 truck at all

01:01:36.360 with those

01:01:36.660 kind of people.

01:01:37.760 Justin

01:01:38.000 Martyr just

01:01:39.800 did a

01:01:40.220 broadcast

01:01:40.520 yesterday on

01:01:41.220 Maximus, the

01:01:41.880 Confessor.

01:01:42.620 They were

01:01:42.980 open Platonists.

01:01:45.080 Justin Martyr

01:01:45.700 referred to

01:01:46.280 himself as a

01:01:46.660 Platonists all

01:01:47.100 the time.

01:01:48.400 No, Plato

01:01:48.800 isn't the

01:01:49.200 problem.

01:01:50.580 The Medievals

01:01:52.200 referred to

01:01:52.780 Platonism.

01:01:54.520 They were

01:01:54.740 talking about

01:01:55.260 the Neoplatonic

01:01:56.080 magical alchemical

01:01:59.100 thought connected

01:02:00.240 with Kabbalah and

01:02:01.360 later found

01:02:01.720 itself in

01:02:02.360 Masonry.

01:02:03.280 It's right in

01:02:04.240 the Sunday of

01:02:05.480 Orthodoxy and

01:02:06.020 Athanas.

01:02:06.700 It has nothing

01:02:07.580 to do with

01:02:07.940 Plato.

01:02:08.960 But he is

01:02:09.460 essential because

01:02:10.300 he made the

01:02:11.700 first ancient

01:02:12.360 argument of the

01:02:13.980 spiritual world and

01:02:14.840 its relationship to

01:02:15.500 the physical

01:02:15.820 one.

01:02:16.140 I read

01:02:16.540 Plato's Republic

01:02:17.220 and I was

01:02:17.980 never the

01:02:18.260 same again.

01:02:19.400 I was just a

01:02:19.840 teenager.

01:02:21.420 And then I

01:02:21.680 read Thomas

01:02:22.000 Hobbes and

01:02:23.140 it's literally

01:02:24.360 night and

01:02:24.720 day.

01:02:26.580 And I think

01:02:26.940 what happens

01:02:27.440 and really

01:02:27.880 in Hoffman's

01:02:28.520 book and

01:02:28.740 E.

01:02:28.820 Michael

01:02:28.960 Jones and

01:02:29.940 many others,

01:02:31.080 Jones especially,

01:02:32.880 once you

01:02:34.020 legalize or

01:02:35.060 justify usury,

01:02:36.840 what happens

01:02:37.540 is that

01:02:38.620 self-interest

01:02:39.160 becomes

01:02:39.980 justified.

01:02:40.800 the merchant

01:02:42.280 class was

01:02:43.000 never considered

01:02:43.780 anything but a

01:02:44.540 necessary evil

01:02:45.340 up until the

01:02:46.640 early modern

01:02:47.540 era.

01:02:48.920 The British

01:02:49.200 Revolution was

01:02:49.800 based on the

01:02:50.740 merchant classes

01:02:51.260 taken over from

01:02:51.980 the landed

01:02:52.660 interest.

01:02:54.560 They made it

01:02:55.480 such that this

01:02:56.160 kind of greed

01:02:56.780 and deception,

01:02:59.640 Hermes has

01:03:00.860 always been the

01:03:01.240 god of merchants

01:03:02.060 but is also the

01:03:03.000 god of deception

01:03:03.620 and manipulation.

01:03:05.300 That's not an

01:03:05.660 accident.

01:03:07.300 They made it

01:03:07.860 mainstream and a

01:03:08.780 good thing.

01:03:09.180 And of course

01:03:10.280 Adam Smith

01:03:10.740 created this,

01:03:12.040 of course it had

01:03:12.380 nothing to do

01:03:12.620 with modern

01:03:12.940 capitalism.

01:03:13.780 It was only

01:03:14.360 local level

01:03:14.900 stuff but

01:03:16.520 justified it in

01:03:17.260 pure utilitarianism.

01:03:19.020 But the minute

01:03:19.460 you let that

01:03:20.280 genie out of

01:03:20.780 the bottle,

01:03:21.540 it's very hard

01:03:22.380 to put it

01:03:23.960 back in.

01:03:25.700 Ultimately,

01:03:26.460 these alchemists

01:03:27.620 justified the

01:03:30.180 legalization,

01:03:32.440 slowly but surely,

01:03:33.240 of usury which

01:03:34.320 then led to the

01:03:35.220 rule of banks,

01:03:35.980 which then led to

01:03:37.000 the rule of

01:03:37.700 self-interest.

01:03:39.180 Now,

01:03:39.700 the average

01:03:39.960 person talks

01:03:41.580 about the

01:03:42.000 liberation of

01:03:42.860 the individual

01:03:43.340 like it's a

01:03:43.900 good thing.

01:03:45.100 Well,

01:03:45.560 it might be

01:03:46.160 if all

01:03:47.060 individuals were

01:03:47.640 equal.

01:03:48.920 Now,

01:03:49.220 Thomas Hobbes

01:03:49.660 says this

01:03:50.160 explicitly,

01:03:50.900 all individuals

01:03:51.540 are exactly the

01:03:52.380 same in his

01:03:53.400 world.

01:03:54.300 One is not

01:03:54.820 stronger than

01:03:55.240 another one.

01:03:56.400 But we know

01:03:56.740 that's not the

01:03:57.100 case here.

01:03:58.320 When capitalism

01:03:59.180 came to

01:03:59.580 England,

01:04:00.300 just like when

01:04:00.860 capitalism came

01:04:01.420 to Russia,

01:04:02.640 there were

01:04:03.320 certain people

01:04:03.880 who already

01:04:04.600 had a tremendous

01:04:05.440 amount of

01:04:05.860 power.

01:04:06.140 that meant

01:04:07.360 that individualism

01:04:08.420 meant that they

01:04:09.060 could rule

01:04:09.480 everybody without

01:04:10.320 mercy.

01:04:12.020 Because when I

01:04:12.920 say something,

01:04:13.920 now, a couple

01:04:14.400 people listen.

01:04:15.480 When Warren

01:04:15.860 Buffett says

01:04:16.320 something,

01:04:17.240 millions of

01:04:17.560 people listen.

01:04:18.540 We're not all

01:04:19.100 equal.

01:04:20.420 This is how

01:04:20.960 individualism and

01:04:21.780 self-interest

01:04:22.300 really ends up

01:04:23.320 being the rule

01:04:24.080 of powerful,

01:04:25.640 wealthy

01:04:25.880 corporations and

01:04:27.560 economic elites

01:04:28.940 and banks.

01:04:29.980 But at first

01:04:30.460 blush, you say

01:04:31.320 this is a

01:04:31.660 wonderful thing.

01:04:32.320 The individuals

01:04:33.040 were released

01:04:33.520 from the

01:04:33.820 tyranny of

01:04:34.340 custom and

01:04:35.420 everything else.

01:04:35.940 No, it

01:04:36.540 just is a

01:04:37.120 justification for

01:04:38.740 oligarchy.

01:04:39.800 We're not all

01:04:40.300 the same.

01:04:40.820 Thomas Hobbes

01:04:41.240 created,

01:04:41.680 Thomas Hobbes,

01:04:42.800 I've been reading

01:04:43.220 Hobbes since I

01:04:43.800 was 18 and

01:04:44.640 it's bizarre.

01:04:46.580 His whole world

01:04:47.360 is that there

01:04:48.100 are these

01:04:48.500 abstract individuals

01:04:49.720 that are not

01:04:50.420 different from

01:04:50.760 one another in

01:04:51.260 any way.

01:04:53.000 And that's how

01:04:53.660 he begins.

01:04:55.440 They don't even

01:04:55.760 have families.

01:04:56.680 This is the

01:04:57.380 foundation of the

01:04:58.220 modern world.

01:04:58.820 It's based on,

01:04:59.580 it's the worst

01:05:00.040 kind of mythology.

01:05:00.700 But this is

01:05:02.200 what we have

01:05:02.520 to fight.

01:05:05.320 That's exactly

01:05:05.660 right.

01:05:06.960 And so we,

01:05:08.340 I think,

01:05:09.380 come to the

01:05:10.120 question of,

01:05:11.100 for us

01:05:11.640 specifically in

01:05:12.460 a North

01:05:12.760 American context,

01:05:13.780 how do we

01:05:14.300 take everything

01:05:14.920 that we've

01:05:15.280 discussed and

01:05:15.760 apply this to

01:05:16.880 practical questions

01:05:17.620 of justice?

01:05:19.140 And so I

01:05:20.120 think that there

01:05:20.520 are two things

01:05:21.320 to discuss here.

01:05:22.140 I mean, one

01:05:22.720 is what we

01:05:23.500 can do in

01:05:23.940 terms of the

01:05:24.380 short term and

01:05:24.940 what is

01:05:25.140 preferable now.

01:05:26.300 But second

01:05:26.780 is what is

01:05:28.400 more of a

01:05:29.520 long-term

01:05:30.100 project?

01:05:30.700 Because I

01:05:31.520 think that in

01:05:32.520 the current

01:05:33.060 moment, the

01:05:33.580 only thing

01:05:33.940 that we can

01:05:34.320 possibly do

01:05:34.960 is to try

01:05:35.440 and repent

01:05:35.940 ourselves, to

01:05:36.920 build up our

01:05:37.600 churches, to

01:05:38.040 build up our

01:05:38.360 families, pursue

01:05:39.020 our vocation, and

01:05:40.400 to draw the

01:05:41.320 primary loyalty of

01:05:42.280 whoever we can

01:05:43.080 away from the

01:05:43.780 powers of the

01:05:44.400 regime.

01:05:45.340 And that at

01:05:45.780 this point, any

01:05:47.180 system of

01:05:48.200 government or any

01:05:49.020 state of civil

01:05:50.100 affairs which is

01:05:51.660 not explicitly

01:05:52.400 anti-Christian and

01:05:53.780 is more just in

01:05:54.760 the current system

01:05:55.500 is preferable, I

01:05:57.280 think.

01:05:57.500 And then I'll

01:06:00.160 say the second

01:06:00.800 and then I'd

01:06:01.140 love to get your

01:06:01.580 opinion on this.

01:06:02.260 The second issue

01:06:03.420 is that you

01:06:04.220 can't have any

01:06:05.500 sort of genuine

01:06:06.480 orthodox culture

01:06:07.920 without an

01:06:08.840 organic ethnic

01:06:10.000 context.

01:06:11.320 And what has

01:06:11.640 occurred is that

01:06:12.760 the European race

01:06:14.780 in North America,

01:06:15.900 the Anglo-dominant

01:06:16.980 race that

01:06:17.420 inhabits Canada

01:06:19.480 and the USA,

01:06:20.500 which is

01:06:20.840 essentially a

01:06:21.760 single entity,

01:06:22.340 is de-vaccinated.

01:06:25.720 They are

01:06:25.940 disconnected from

01:06:26.700 their own

01:06:27.380 ethnic heritage

01:06:28.600 because that

01:06:29.160 ethnic heritage

01:06:29.780 has been

01:06:30.180 exported, it's

01:06:30.760 been globalized.

01:06:31.660 I mean, this

01:06:31.920 is, you know,

01:06:32.480 you think about

01:06:32.940 the business

01:06:33.420 suit is the

01:06:34.120 ethnic garb of

01:06:35.080 like Anglo-French

01:06:37.120 elites.

01:06:38.720 I mean, it's a

01:06:39.080 specific fashion,

01:06:40.260 but it's a

01:06:41.140 universal type of

01:06:43.080 business apparel,

01:06:45.400 right?

01:06:45.640 And so this

01:06:46.540 denaturing of

01:06:48.000 ethnicity that

01:06:50.200 has occurred

01:06:51.140 because of the

01:06:51.660 American sort of

01:06:52.500 melting pot, the

01:06:53.040 revolutionary

01:06:53.420 experiment, this

01:06:54.140 alchemic, you

01:06:55.480 know, application

01:06:56.840 of negrado to

01:06:57.760 these people,

01:06:58.660 right?

01:06:58.760 The literal

01:06:59.160 blackening of

01:07:00.220 the physicality

01:07:02.340 enables the

01:07:04.240 disruption of

01:07:06.160 these normal

01:07:06.720 states of

01:07:07.220 affairs, and

01:07:07.760 this leads to

01:07:08.400 illness, because

01:07:09.000 the problem is

01:07:09.580 man is inherently

01:07:10.600 ethnic.

01:07:11.540 He has an

01:07:12.100 ethnic context.

01:07:12.820 He cannot have

01:07:13.360 an ethnic context

01:07:14.020 because he has a

01:07:14.540 familial

01:07:15.020 linguistic context.

01:07:16.580 We see this

01:07:17.020 exactly in

01:07:18.020 Christ, you

01:07:19.160 know, and

01:07:19.900 so degenerating

01:07:22.680 that faculty

01:07:23.480 does not

01:07:24.160 remove the

01:07:24.880 impulse for

01:07:25.860 fulfillment.

01:07:27.280 And so the

01:07:27.780 issue, I think,

01:07:28.500 in the long

01:07:29.000 term is that

01:07:29.740 we want to

01:07:30.800 try and build

01:07:31.640 up like a

01:07:32.400 genuine

01:07:32.740 orthodox

01:07:33.880 English-speaking

01:07:34.720 ethnicity and

01:07:35.860 identity in

01:07:36.620 North America,

01:07:37.420 which of course

01:07:38.140 is like, that's

01:07:39.100 a hundreds of

01:07:39.540 years project.

01:07:40.720 And so this is

01:07:41.160 the problem, is

01:07:41.800 that when we're

01:07:42.120 speaking of, you

01:07:43.940 know, like

01:07:44.280 actual orthodox

01:07:45.360 political philosophy

01:07:46.260 in action, I

01:07:47.260 mean, you

01:07:47.700 know, you

01:07:47.860 have to have

01:07:48.340 sort of like

01:07:48.780 a, I

01:07:51.280 don't want to

01:07:51.620 use the term

01:07:52.040 Taliban mindset,

01:07:52.920 but in the

01:07:53.440 sense, you

01:07:54.060 know, there's a

01:07:54.380 saying in

01:07:54.740 Afghanistan that,

01:07:56.160 you know, they

01:07:56.420 have all the

01:07:56.940 watches, but we

01:07:57.500 have all the

01:07:57.880 time, right?

01:07:58.720 And luckily

01:07:59.040 for us, you

01:08:00.120 know, you

01:08:01.300 know, you

01:08:02.140 got to ask

01:08:02.500 Averkey's

01:08:02.920 opinion on

01:08:03.320 this question,

01:08:03.980 is all I'll

01:08:04.560 say.

01:08:06.360 So I would

01:08:07.080 love to hear

01:08:08.120 what you have

01:08:08.400 to say on

01:08:08.760 the subject,

01:08:09.260 Dr.

01:08:09.440 Johnson.

01:08:09.660 Well, you've

01:08:11.740 heard my

01:08:12.040 opinion on

01:08:12.440 this many

01:08:12.800 times before,

01:08:13.880 and the

01:08:16.940 simple, the

01:08:17.520 brief answer

01:08:18.080 is to

01:08:20.100 separate

01:08:20.440 ourselves as

01:08:21.260 much as

01:08:21.540 humanly

01:08:21.840 possible from

01:08:23.500 the modern

01:08:24.280 world.

01:08:25.580 It's not

01:08:26.220 entirely

01:08:26.640 possible, but

01:08:28.340 to have our

01:08:29.180 homes and

01:08:29.780 families be

01:08:30.480 little monasteries,

01:08:31.460 which is what

01:08:31.980 St. John

01:08:32.280 Christensen

01:08:32.600 says it's

01:08:32.900 supposed to

01:08:33.340 be, is

01:08:34.900 our goal.

01:08:35.740 Now, I

01:08:36.060 don't have a

01:08:36.480 family anymore,

01:08:37.100 but when I

01:08:38.300 did, that's

01:08:39.220 exactly what

01:08:39.660 we did, and

01:08:40.280 this is why

01:08:40.640 my children

01:08:41.020 are very

01:08:41.460 healthy today.

01:08:44.420 Then groups

01:08:45.180 of families

01:08:45.660 can do

01:08:46.420 this.

01:08:47.320 Creating

01:08:47.580 our own

01:08:47.860 institutions,

01:08:49.320 though, requires

01:08:51.020 humility and

01:08:52.260 a lot of

01:08:52.540 patience.

01:08:53.480 It won't

01:08:53.800 get you on

01:08:54.140 the front

01:08:54.420 page, and

01:08:55.740 therefore, that

01:08:56.680 means a lot

01:08:57.640 of our people

01:08:57.960 won't be

01:08:58.200 involved.

01:08:59.920 We are

01:09:00.240 still, myself

01:09:00.920 included, we

01:09:01.820 are still

01:09:02.160 degenerates,

01:09:03.080 because we

01:09:03.480 were born

01:09:03.880 into this

01:09:04.800 rotten system

01:09:05.440 and raised

01:09:05.880 by it long

01:09:06.380 before we

01:09:06.760 had any

01:09:07.000 defenses

01:09:07.320 against it.

01:09:08.920 But still,

01:09:10.080 that is our

01:09:11.140 obligation, to

01:09:12.220 surround

01:09:12.480 ourselves with

01:09:13.180 icons and

01:09:13.920 ancient works

01:09:15.160 of art, rather

01:09:15.760 than the

01:09:16.480 television, except

01:09:18.140 for the

01:09:18.420 trailer park

01:09:18.780 boys.

01:09:19.200 That we

01:09:19.640 could watch,

01:09:20.040 because that's

01:09:20.260 funny.

01:09:20.780 Of course,

01:09:21.360 that's important

01:09:21.840 cultural content.

01:09:22.960 There's a

01:09:23.460 certain ethnic

01:09:24.920 preservation there.

01:09:26.980 My ethnicity

01:09:27.780 is from the

01:09:28.260 part of the

01:09:28.540 world.

01:09:29.880 Without

01:09:30.320 doxing myself,

01:09:31.000 all I can

01:09:31.300 say is I

01:09:31.840 know people

01:09:32.180 personally

01:09:32.520 involved with

01:09:32.900 that program.

01:09:33.480 It's a

01:09:33.920 very, very

01:09:34.440 excellent piece

01:09:35.100 of ethnographic

01:09:36.060 film.

01:09:36.480 Well, yeah,

01:09:39.520 I'm only

01:09:39.820 recently a

01:09:40.300 fan of

01:09:40.560 it, but

01:09:41.540 we are

01:09:41.960 allowed our

01:09:42.380 occasional

01:09:42.960 guilty

01:09:44.800 pleasures.

01:09:46.160 But, yeah,

01:09:47.740 to separate

01:09:48.440 ourselves and

01:09:48.980 every way,

01:09:49.260 but this has

01:09:50.120 been tried

01:09:50.540 before, and

01:09:51.540 something always

01:09:52.200 happens.

01:09:52.540 we know of

01:09:54.860 a few of

01:09:55.220 these more

01:09:55.700 recent failures

01:09:56.820 that showed

01:09:58.720 great promise.

01:10:00.040 You see,

01:10:00.680 no one's

01:10:01.040 going to

01:10:01.280 donate money

01:10:01.980 to something

01:10:02.500 unless it's

01:10:04.200 established and

01:10:05.300 it's progressing

01:10:05.860 and it's

01:10:06.440 showing results.

01:10:07.620 They're not

01:10:07.880 going to throw

01:10:08.160 their money

01:10:08.480 at nothing.

01:10:09.680 So it's

01:10:10.360 up to us

01:10:10.900 to create

01:10:11.620 these

01:10:12.040 institutions.

01:10:13.560 Now, the

01:10:14.340 key fact is

01:10:14.980 simply this.

01:10:16.700 The American

01:10:17.400 economy, the

01:10:18.420 American empire,

01:10:19.020 and the

01:10:19.420 dollar, can't

01:10:20.320 last much

01:10:20.780 longer.

01:10:22.320 I just did a

01:10:22.820 show a few

01:10:23.200 hours ago on

01:10:24.720 the tremendous

01:10:25.380 pressure, downward

01:10:26.560 pressure on the

01:10:27.180 dollar, thanks

01:10:28.220 to Russia and

01:10:29.700 China.

01:10:31.340 The American

01:10:32.040 economy can't

01:10:32.800 continue.

01:10:33.900 Unemployment is

01:10:34.380 about 20%,

01:10:35.160 contrary to

01:10:36.120 official statistics.

01:10:37.420 Inflation is

01:10:37.880 actually very

01:10:38.380 high, contrary

01:10:39.500 to official

01:10:39.900 statistics, and

01:10:40.480 this is from

01:10:40.840 Paul Craig

01:10:41.200 Roberts, who

01:10:42.980 was the

01:10:43.160 assistant treasury

01:10:44.080 secretary under

01:10:44.640 Reagan, one

01:10:45.400 of my favorite

01:10:45.740 writers.

01:10:47.700 The system

01:10:48.440 can't last.

01:10:49.420 You have

01:10:49.760 middle-class

01:10:50.240 white people

01:10:50.720 who are now

01:10:51.160 homeless, living

01:10:52.020 in the back

01:10:52.460 of Walmarts.

01:10:53.740 We've all

01:10:54.160 seen this.

01:10:55.360 It's not

01:10:55.880 being covered,

01:10:56.720 but we've all

01:10:57.260 seen this.

01:10:58.520 A collapse

01:10:59.020 of the economy,

01:11:00.480 whether it be

01:11:00.880 sudden or

01:11:01.400 gradual, will

01:11:03.100 destroy the

01:11:04.340 default settings

01:11:05.120 that we're at

01:11:05.760 war with.

01:11:07.000 I mean, no

01:11:07.660 one wants to

01:11:08.080 see people

01:11:08.740 suffer like

01:11:09.380 this, especially

01:11:11.040 if it's

01:11:11.520 connected to a

01:11:12.160 lost war, which

01:11:13.260 apparently also

01:11:13.940 is going to

01:11:15.020 happen, a war

01:11:15.500 that the U.S.

01:11:15.960 cannot possibly

01:11:16.580 win against a

01:11:17.780 combined might

01:11:18.400 of Russia and

01:11:18.980 China together,

01:11:19.740 especially given

01:11:20.200 the ridiculous

01:11:20.920 state of the

01:11:21.380 American military,

01:11:22.340 which is

01:11:22.680 literally falling

01:11:23.220 apart, contrary

01:11:24.860 to, despite

01:11:25.820 the fact having

01:11:26.500 1.3 billion

01:11:28.280 dollar budget, if

01:11:29.740 you actually know

01:11:30.120 the full budget.

01:11:32.560 So the system,

01:11:34.000 whether through

01:11:34.520 economic collapse,

01:11:37.160 a major

01:11:37.980 lost war, or

01:11:39.320 both, isn't

01:11:40.920 going to be

01:11:41.140 around much

01:11:41.560 longer.

01:11:41.800 when that

01:11:43.600 happens, to

01:11:45.020 survive, our

01:11:47.280 instincts are

01:11:47.820 going to have

01:11:48.080 to take

01:11:48.340 over.

01:11:49.680 And I

01:11:51.260 hate to say

01:11:51.680 it, but this

01:11:52.560 is our only

01:11:52.960 hope.

01:11:54.240 That's when

01:11:54.820 we're going to

01:11:55.160 be able to

01:11:55.720 hang together

01:11:56.740 and hierarchies

01:11:57.780 will be, but

01:11:58.320 do we have the

01:11:59.380 people, do we

01:11:59.920 have the

01:12:00.220 mentality, do

01:12:01.260 we have the

01:12:01.560 humility for

01:12:02.320 that to

01:12:02.560 happen?

01:12:03.680 Because to

01:12:04.120 take advantage

01:12:04.720 of that kind

01:12:05.440 of a void, we

01:12:07.160 have to have

01:12:07.480 institutions already

01:12:08.260 made.

01:12:09.420 We have to

01:12:09.860 have at least

01:12:10.280 the rudiments

01:12:10.900 of economic

01:12:12.700 survival, agricultural

01:12:14.000 survival, guilds

01:12:16.160 of various types,

01:12:17.320 schools, etc.

01:12:18.400 Pretty much

01:12:18.960 already there, for

01:12:21.080 when it happens,

01:12:22.000 you just can

01:12:22.360 simply plug into

01:12:23.060 it.

01:12:24.460 Some of us

01:12:25.140 were doing

01:12:25.400 pretty well in

01:12:26.120 that area, and

01:12:26.960 then something

01:12:27.920 happens.

01:12:30.580 And it's

01:12:32.240 often because our

01:12:32.840 people don't

01:12:33.540 have the

01:12:34.280 maturity, the

01:12:36.040 ability to

01:12:37.080 control impulses

01:12:37.940 and desires, and

01:12:40.320 this is our

01:12:41.100 Achilles heel.

01:12:43.100 You know, if

01:12:43.620 you want to

01:12:43.860 disrupt the

01:12:44.320 meeting of

01:12:44.680 nationalists, just

01:12:45.800 send in a

01:12:46.200 beautiful woman.

01:12:47.260 See what

01:12:47.680 happens.

01:12:50.060 They'll fall

01:12:50.840 over themselves,

01:12:51.780 killing each

01:12:52.280 other for

01:12:53.080 access to

01:12:53.440 her.

01:12:54.120 I've seen it

01:12:54.560 happen recently,

01:12:55.920 and it made

01:12:56.620 me cry and

01:12:57.280 laugh and

01:12:57.700 then cry

01:12:58.000 again.

01:12:59.080 That's all

01:12:59.440 you got to

01:12:59.760 do.

01:12:59.960 That's how,

01:13:00.420 I mean, you

01:13:01.540 know, this is

01:13:02.700 supposed to be

01:13:02.960 the best and

01:13:03.320 brightest that we

01:13:03.800 have to offer,

01:13:04.840 and that's all

01:13:05.420 it takes to

01:13:06.480 destroy it.

01:13:06.960 So I

01:13:08.060 don't want

01:13:08.980 to be

01:13:09.560 completely

01:13:11.440 pessimistic,

01:13:12.360 because the

01:13:13.940 American population

01:13:14.580 did vote for

01:13:15.160 Trump, despite

01:13:15.680 being threatened

01:13:16.360 in doing so.

01:13:19.320 They did

01:13:19.660 anyway.

01:13:21.180 You know, not

01:13:21.780 that I'm a big

01:13:22.080 Trump fan, but

01:13:22.560 just that

01:13:23.720 surprised me.

01:13:25.900 Yeah.

01:13:26.340 No, no, I

01:13:26.920 think that there

01:13:27.300 are a couple of

01:13:27.780 very important

01:13:28.220 things here.

01:13:28.880 I mean, one,

01:13:29.440 I mean, is

01:13:29.900 just the

01:13:30.220 nature of

01:13:30.660 sin.

01:13:31.340 It's very

01:13:31.880 important to

01:13:32.420 understand.

01:13:33.000 You know, you

01:13:33.540 were talking

01:13:33.880 about words that

01:13:34.360 don't have a

01:13:34.780 lot of meaning.

01:13:35.440 I think sin is

01:13:36.040 really another

01:13:37.120 great example.

01:13:38.460 And a much

01:13:39.220 better synonym for

01:13:40.000 sin is just

01:13:40.520 corruption, because

01:13:41.740 that's what sin

01:13:42.320 is.

01:13:43.020 It is a

01:13:43.440 corruption of the

01:13:44.020 natural order, and

01:13:44.820 it has no

01:13:45.300 substance in

01:13:45.860 itself.

01:13:46.660 And so the

01:13:47.140 nature of

01:13:48.020 sin in any of

01:13:50.140 its manifestations,

01:13:51.080 whether it's

01:13:51.480 social or

01:13:52.100 financial, is

01:13:54.380 unstable.

01:13:55.700 And so just as

01:13:56.460 our passions within

01:13:57.260 ourselves do not

01:13:58.360 satisfy and lead to

01:13:59.340 our own

01:13:59.740 destruction, so

01:14:01.160 does a

01:14:02.220 necromantic

01:14:03.220 golem, which

01:14:04.560 is powered by

01:14:05.940 nothing.

01:14:06.340 It's a living

01:14:07.000 corpse.

01:14:07.940 And as soon as

01:14:08.460 that black

01:14:09.160 energy

01:14:09.640 entropically

01:14:10.980 eats itself,

01:14:12.860 it collapses

01:14:14.300 into nothing.

01:14:15.380 The issue is

01:14:16.240 that even

01:14:17.040 among our own

01:14:17.660 ranks, the

01:14:18.080 nature of the

01:14:18.740 saturation of

01:14:19.440 corruption is so

01:14:20.520 gross and so

01:14:21.540 high that we

01:14:22.840 all suffer from

01:14:24.400 this Babylon

01:14:25.660 culture, the

01:14:26.780 spiritual pharaoh,

01:14:27.940 whatever euphemism

01:14:28.940 you want to

01:14:29.300 use.

01:14:30.160 And so that's

01:14:31.040 the great irony

01:14:32.180 is that this is

01:14:35.380 the thing.

01:14:36.540 People who are

01:14:37.360 conspiratorially minded

01:14:38.460 tend to assume that

01:14:39.520 there is a direct

01:14:40.120 personal actor, say,

01:14:41.540 in the breakup or

01:14:42.440 failure or success of

01:14:43.480 various political

01:14:44.080 organizations.

01:14:44.820 You can talk about

01:14:45.400 the recent collapse

01:14:46.440 of nationalist

01:14:47.000 organizations and

01:14:47.800 activity in North

01:14:48.940 America as a good

01:14:49.640 example.

01:14:50.840 Now, what I would

01:14:52.520 say is much closer

01:14:53.480 to the truth is that

01:14:54.140 it absolutely is

01:14:55.000 MKUltra, but it's

01:14:56.220 not a personal MKUltra,

01:14:57.920 it's the culture.

01:14:58.940 Which has been

01:14:59.400 alchemically changed.

01:15:00.940 And the mass

01:15:01.440 introduction of

01:15:02.060 corruption has

01:15:03.020 created a generation

01:15:04.080 of backlash against

01:15:07.480 it because people

01:15:08.420 see the evil in

01:15:09.500 themselves and in

01:15:10.660 the world around

01:15:11.300 them.

01:15:11.560 And the difficulty

01:15:12.080 is that if you

01:15:12.760 are corrupted,

01:15:14.280 right, and tainted

01:15:14.840 by evil, you are

01:15:16.120 unstable.

01:15:16.740 We all are unstable

01:15:17.620 in some way,

01:15:18.580 inconsistent, right,

01:15:19.700 schizophrenic, broken.

01:15:21.740 And that this does

01:15:22.620 not make for

01:15:23.440 effective organization,

01:15:26.740 right, it's

01:15:27.800 debilitating by

01:15:28.800 nature.

01:15:29.800 The flip side of

01:15:31.000 that is it also

01:15:31.680 has the same

01:15:32.240 effect on the

01:15:33.060 institutions of

01:15:34.280 power.

01:15:34.780 They need ever

01:15:35.340 finer degrees of

01:15:36.480 leverage, of

01:15:37.860 mechanization, of

01:15:39.220 exploitation, of

01:15:40.100 tyranny in order

01:15:41.120 to enforce their

01:15:44.020 reign upon the

01:15:45.300 population, right?

01:15:46.580 I mean, the

01:15:47.180 subtlety has been

01:15:49.240 in the switch to

01:15:50.080 purely, not

01:15:51.740 purely, but

01:15:52.280 mainly intellectual

01:15:53.800 warfare, psychological

01:15:56.000 warfare, spiritual

01:15:56.940 warfare, through the

01:15:58.520 use of mass

01:15:58.960 propaganda as a

01:16:00.060 subtler means of

01:16:00.820 influence, but the

01:16:01.680 principle is the

01:16:02.440 same.

01:16:03.380 And so, but that's

01:16:03.880 the thing is, the

01:16:04.720 reality is, though,

01:16:05.680 that the inculcation

01:16:06.760 of corruption and

01:16:08.260 degeneracy and evil,

01:16:09.760 you know, people see

01:16:10.400 it in their lives

01:16:10.960 around them.

01:16:11.960 You know, I guess

01:16:12.620 that's the, one of

01:16:14.040 the best things you

01:16:14.440 ever said to me,

01:16:14.900 father, is, you

01:16:15.940 know, how do you

01:16:16.260 know hell is real?

01:16:16.880 Because people live

01:16:17.540 there, right?

01:16:18.440 Well, when people, you

01:16:19.300 know, live in hell,

01:16:20.640 they sometimes ask

01:16:21.520 themselves about

01:16:22.120 God.

01:16:22.780 I mean, it's, it's

01:16:23.540 very true.

01:16:24.240 And I've met a lot

01:16:25.060 of people who, I

01:16:26.120 mean, that's how

01:16:26.520 they come to

01:16:26.960 orthodoxy, or people

01:16:29.220 who are coming out

01:16:30.100 of degeneracy who

01:16:30.840 are kind of on our

01:16:31.500 side, you know, or

01:16:32.220 our woke young, young

01:16:33.360 people who are, came

01:16:34.420 up on the internet

01:16:34.980 so they, and they

01:16:35.560 know that they're

01:16:36.660 woke on the JQ or

01:16:37.900 whatever, but they're

01:16:40.020 trying to, to find

01:16:41.400 something to replace

01:16:42.280 the degenerate

01:16:43.260 environment that they

01:16:44.000 come out of.

01:16:44.700 And it's, you

01:16:45.840 know, I mean, it's,

01:16:48.100 it's unbelievable.

01:16:48.800 And the difficulty is

01:16:49.920 that for people who

01:16:51.120 don't understand the

01:16:52.540 intimacies of, of

01:16:53.960 that grit, I mean,

01:16:54.860 especially from a

01:16:55.560 church context, to

01:16:56.880 communicate the

01:16:57.540 reality of the

01:16:58.320 degenerate culture to

01:16:59.660 people who are of

01:17:00.400 older generations, and

01:17:01.840 you don't, don't see it

01:17:02.960 every day, or a

01:17:03.900 detachment who are

01:17:04.600 living in a monastery

01:17:05.580 can be very difficult.

01:17:06.720 And I think that people

01:17:09.220 underestimate it,

01:17:11.000 underappreciate the

01:17:11.920 magnitude of the

01:17:14.000 decadence that the

01:17:15.160 culture emits.

01:17:16.900 And that's one reason

01:17:18.040 why I've always

01:17:18.640 appreciated your work

01:17:19.560 very much, Dr.

01:17:20.560 Johnson, is because I

01:17:21.300 think that you, because

01:17:23.180 of your historical

01:17:23.660 training, grasped that

01:17:24.860 very well.

01:17:25.500 Well, and like, like

01:17:30.600 everyone else, I'm also

01:17:31.440 a victim of it.

01:17:32.700 I was born in 1971.

01:17:35.180 You know, this is, that's

01:17:37.540 the, you know, right at

01:17:40.200 the heart of the sexual

01:17:41.840 revolution.

01:17:43.500 By the time I realized

01:17:44.680 any of these truths that

01:17:45.860 we talk about now, I was

01:17:46.860 in my twenties.

01:17:48.880 In other words, my

01:17:49.840 firmware, you know, had

01:17:51.280 already been wired.

01:17:54.460 You know, I mentioned

01:17:56.100 that one quick way to

01:17:57.220 destroy a nationalist

01:17:58.080 group is to send a

01:17:58.720 beautiful woman in

01:17:59.220 there.

01:17:59.840 I'd be the first one

01:18:00.780 trying to get her

01:18:01.800 attention.

01:18:03.100 You know, and it's

01:18:04.580 very, very difficult to

01:18:05.700 keep that from

01:18:06.860 happening.

01:18:08.020 None of us are, I

01:18:08.920 mean, you know, the

01:18:10.580 standards that you

01:18:11.660 could expect from

01:18:13.480 someone born in the

01:18:14.260 year 1071 are

01:18:16.780 certainly going to be

01:18:17.340 much higher than

01:18:18.940 someone whose whole

01:18:20.180 firmware has been

01:18:21.260 programmed at the

01:18:23.600 height of the

01:18:23.880 sexual revolution.

01:18:25.320 Being saturated with

01:18:26.340 that kind of media and

01:18:27.600 that kind of, even my

01:18:29.120 own family, you know,

01:18:30.620 it's taken for

01:18:31.500 granted.

01:18:33.140 So, as I've said many

01:18:34.760 times, the metaphor I've

01:18:35.920 always used is that our

01:18:38.840 situation is akin to

01:18:40.460 being alcoholics but

01:18:42.600 being forced to work in

01:18:43.540 a bar.

01:18:45.100 And not just that, but

01:18:46.440 watching everyone have a

01:18:47.420 great time while we

01:18:48.700 can't drink.

01:18:49.840 And not just that,

01:18:50.500 having everyone coming

01:18:51.700 up to us saying, oh,

01:18:52.580 come join us.

01:18:53.280 There's no such thing

01:18:53.820 as alcoholism.

01:18:54.560 Don't worry about it.

01:18:55.920 And yet we still can't

01:18:57.200 drink.

01:18:58.040 Of course we're going to

01:18:58.980 fall.

01:19:00.260 But you said something

01:19:01.860 that I really like.

01:19:04.140 Sin, a better word is

01:19:06.260 corruption.

01:19:07.620 The phenomenal act, the

01:19:09.500 individual act, let's

01:19:10.620 say, you know, adultery or

01:19:11.580 whatever it is, that's not

01:19:14.560 really the sin.

01:19:15.540 That's the manifestation of

01:19:16.740 sin.

01:19:17.740 Sin is our disordered

01:19:19.200 mind.

01:19:20.600 So, if someone commits an

01:19:21.580 act like that, the

01:19:23.120 question is, what's wrong

01:19:24.700 with you mentally that you

01:19:27.960 would think that you would

01:19:28.560 need to do that, that you

01:19:29.880 would do that, that you

01:19:30.620 would be, your impulse would

01:19:31.680 push you to do that.

01:19:33.220 That's the question.

01:19:34.120 That's where sin is.

01:19:35.580 Even the greatest saints

01:19:36.360 sinned all the time.

01:19:37.800 We always, you know, there's

01:19:38.540 no getting out of that.

01:19:39.320 We're always going to do

01:19:39.760 wrong things.

01:19:40.440 The question is, how is

01:19:43.720 our mind organized?

01:19:44.820 How, you know, how is our

01:19:46.200 emotional life organized

01:19:47.020 such that we can actually

01:19:48.340 be perfect?

01:19:49.980 Perfect just means

01:19:50.660 complete, as Christ talks

01:19:53.180 about.

01:19:53.440 It doesn't mean not doing

01:19:54.300 anything wrong, because we'll

01:19:57.060 do things wrong even if we

01:19:57.860 don't mean to.

01:19:59.140 That's not the point.

01:20:00.320 The noumenal self is what

01:20:02.420 matters, and that's what's

01:20:03.280 going to save us.

01:20:05.320 Frankly, if the standards,

01:20:07.240 let's say, of the canons of

01:20:08.840 St. John the Fest or

01:20:09.740 whatever applied strictly,

01:20:11.320 there'd be no priests, and

01:20:12.980 no one would get to heaven.

01:20:14.440 Well, I mean, it's very

01:20:15.880 important.

01:20:16.500 Every single monk that I've

01:20:17.540 ever talked to says that

01:20:19.020 nobody should read the

01:20:19.880 rudder, not even monks,

01:20:22.160 because it's really a very,

01:20:24.500 very, very dangerous,

01:20:25.680 dangerous book if you read

01:20:27.040 it as a piece of spiritual

01:20:28.100 insight.

01:20:31.600 But at the time, you know,

01:20:34.360 again, if I was born in 1071,

01:20:37.260 it might be expected.

01:20:39.720 Because, you know, men and

01:20:40.620 women couldn't even be alone.

01:20:42.400 Well, I mean, even in the

01:20:44.220 rudder, I mean, John the

01:20:45.160 Faster says that the canons of

01:20:47.400 our time have already laxed

01:20:48.960 compared to the canons of the

01:20:49.980 time of Chrysostom, and that

01:20:51.400 there are many canons that we

01:20:52.400 cannot enforce because we are

01:20:53.800 too decadent.

01:20:56.140 There's nothing even to say.

01:20:58.600 It's, you know, in the

01:21:02.120 apostolic era, these documents

01:21:03.880 weren't even necessary, right?

01:21:05.360 Anyway, I always, I don't, I

01:21:07.640 mean, no disrespect here, but I

01:21:09.280 would love to take St. John the

01:21:10.640 Faster and send him to an

01:21:12.120 American university for a

01:21:13.120 semester.

01:21:14.060 Let's see what he says when he

01:21:15.200 comes out.

01:21:15.620 Yeah, it would, it would be

01:21:19.580 certainly insightful.

01:21:20.840 It would be very insightful.

01:21:24.560 Okay, well, I think that we've

01:21:26.520 covered most of what I wanted to

01:21:28.060 discuss today, actually, now that

01:21:29.420 we've come to this point in the

01:21:31.220 broadcast here.

01:21:32.080 What I wanted to leave the

01:21:33.220 listeners with was just kind of a

01:21:35.520 refresher of what we're all about

01:21:37.960 and what the whole point of this

01:21:39.380 all is.

01:21:39.720 Like, why does Mysterium Fascist

01:21:40.800 exist?

01:21:41.120 Why are we struggling?

01:21:43.020 I mean, the purpose, again, is we

01:21:44.720 have to just try to reform

01:21:46.500 ourselves, to repent, to live

01:21:47.820 Christian Orthodox lives and to

01:21:49.860 manifest that to the greatest

01:21:51.120 degree that we can in our

01:21:54.040 communities, in our families

01:21:55.280 especially, and to try and join

01:21:57.740 these nuclei of the church

01:22:00.100 together in a corporate entity.

01:22:02.500 This is the only real thing that

01:22:04.560 we can do.

01:22:06.680 That all of the other options which

01:22:09.140 could be taken are predicated upon

01:22:11.660 having, like, a fourth-generation

01:22:13.180 warfare entity.

01:22:14.640 So, you know, we cannot effectively

01:22:16.480 command the primary loyalty of any

01:22:19.140 serious swath of the North American

01:22:20.660 population without such an entity.

01:22:23.140 And that entity cannot be formed

01:22:24.680 unless we organically consolidate

01:22:26.600 ourselves as a unified ethnos and

01:22:29.920 create it, which is a

01:22:31.160 multi-generational process.

01:22:33.100 So that's, I think, kind of the

01:22:34.460 picture, really, is that if we want

01:22:36.760 to see true success and a sort of

01:22:38.800 justice for our descendants, you

01:22:41.360 know, because God only knows when

01:22:43.460 the eschaton will be upon us, it

01:22:45.320 could be some time, you know,

01:22:47.180 although many people don't think so,

01:22:48.820 but I'm open to it.

01:22:50.720 We have to act like it could be.

01:22:53.420 And the reality is that that is the

01:22:56.000 only way forwards.

01:22:58.700 I don't really see any other viable

01:23:00.760 alternatives.

01:23:01.380 Any of us who have been victims of

01:23:06.140 adultery or alcoholism or anger or

01:23:10.420 envy, we know how agonizing sin is.

01:23:14.560 We know what sin is.

01:23:16.700 Sin is not pleasurable, except

01:23:18.220 possibly in the moment.

01:23:19.880 It creates damage that can never be

01:23:22.000 undone.

01:23:22.480 It destroys minds and souls.

01:23:25.760 So being more modest about it to

01:23:29.040 reduce the amount of sin.

01:23:30.420 Now, I'm referring to both the actual

01:23:32.220 acts, but as well as the mentality that

01:23:35.180 informs those acts, because so many

01:23:36.780 adulterers will actually justify what

01:23:38.280 they do and try to blame someone else

01:23:40.460 or deflect or all the defense

01:23:42.280 mechanisms that these kind of people

01:23:43.460 use.

01:23:45.600 But being victims is, you know, a form

01:23:48.940 of torture that you kind of wish

01:23:50.140 someone was beating you up than having

01:23:53.200 to go through or alcoholism or anger

01:23:55.020 or exclusion or poverty.

01:23:58.160 You know, sin is agonizing.

01:24:03.660 Sin destroys.

01:24:05.420 It's not something to be celebrated.

01:24:07.280 It's not something to be justified.

01:24:08.620 It destroys.

01:24:09.780 As much as repentance rebuilds.

01:24:12.660 You know, there's no more wonderful

01:24:13.860 feeling than when two enemies reconcile

01:24:16.140 and shake hands.

01:24:18.160 A lot of pressure.

01:24:19.380 So, but that requires humility.

01:24:21.360 That requires love in the true sense of

01:24:22.920 the word, whatever it is that will reduce

01:24:26.020 these impulses to sin, I'm going to

01:24:30.000 support.

01:24:30.800 And we all know what I'm talking about.

01:24:32.040 We all know what being a victim here

01:24:34.340 actually entails.

01:24:35.920 And it's a miracle that some of us are

01:24:37.320 still alive.

01:24:38.940 And so sin is, and the fact that this is

01:24:41.180 being promoted and normalized by the

01:24:42.840 modern world, that by itself gives us

01:24:46.200 the engine that we need to do everything

01:24:48.300 we can to organize against it.

01:24:50.460 And hopefully one day watch it burn.

01:24:53.460 Amen.

01:24:54.300 And so, yeah, I think that's basically,

01:24:56.160 that's a wrap.

01:24:57.660 That is what I wanted to cover.

01:25:01.160 What I would just say to the listeners is

01:25:03.360 it may be sometime before we get around

01:25:05.580 to doing another episode again.

01:25:06.820 So we all appreciate and ask for your

01:25:09.040 prayers and for your support monetarily

01:25:11.720 as well, those who need it.

01:25:12.900 You know, Dr. Johnson is a valuable

01:25:14.740 teacher and, you know, we owe him a great

01:25:17.060 debt.

01:25:19.300 Furthermore, I would also want to counsel

01:25:23.460 those who are listening to take heart

01:25:25.240 because in our lives as Orthodox people,

01:25:28.800 we're going to encounter many people

01:25:30.240 even within the church who do not

01:25:32.380 understand what we have just said and

01:25:34.100 do not, you know, that to give them

01:25:38.820 this lecture would be alien to them.

01:25:40.900 They would be hostile to it.

01:25:42.020 And it's unfortunate because that, you

01:25:44.860 know, Orthodox people are entitled to

01:25:46.300 differences of opinion, of course, in

01:25:47.560 politics and so on.

01:25:49.680 The church does not describe a particular,

01:25:52.700 you know, rigid political instantiation,

01:25:56.920 but political principles and values

01:25:58.560 because these are reflective of the cosmos.

01:26:00.960 And so we can have legitimate differences

01:26:02.380 of opinion on questions of politics

01:26:03.920 within the Orthodox worldview as long as

01:26:06.360 we adhere to the standards of Christian

01:26:10.260 justice, right?

01:26:11.020 In ethics, it's not a problem.

01:26:13.180 But so what I'm trying to say is that

01:26:15.480 we're going to deal with people who all

01:26:18.640 the time resist us and are foreign to us

01:26:21.440 and perhaps are hostile to us and that

01:26:23.520 we need to take heart and continue to

01:26:25.780 struggle on our own path and network with

01:26:27.900 people who are of a like mind.

01:26:29.360 Because, I mean, I can guarantee you, you

01:26:31.260 know, that if you go to your local

01:26:33.060 monastery, you know, you visit there

01:26:34.860 enough, you'll find people who are, who

01:26:36.740 believe this, who actually understand,

01:26:39.560 that they're actually Orthodox in that real

01:26:41.620 traditional sense of that word.

01:26:43.560 So that's the best that I can encourage

01:26:45.740 all of our listeners to do is to, you

01:26:47.220 know, go visit your local monastery, even

01:26:49.020 if it takes a while to get to, especially

01:26:50.740 if you don't get to church often, and try

01:26:52.540 to continue to build up the bonds of

01:26:55.280 Christian love and brotherhood with our

01:26:58.440 brothers and sisters in Christ.

01:26:59.700 I mean, because that is really the very,

01:27:00.940 very best and noblest thing that we can

01:27:03.300 do in such a time.

01:27:05.220 And people will be, well, as Christ

01:27:09.500 himself says this, you know, that you are

01:27:11.020 the light of the world, right?

01:27:12.140 And I've personally had experiences, you

01:27:13.840 know, I'm sure many of us have, where you

01:27:15.940 bring someone to the divine liturgy, and

01:27:17.500 it has an extremely moving effect on

01:27:19.340 them, especially if they are used to the

01:27:21.600 saturation of filth, and they desire

01:27:23.920 something better and cleaner.

01:27:26.540 And that is what I think is really the

01:27:28.440 message of hope that I want to leave

01:27:29.760 people with, is that the intense,

01:27:32.580 fetid saturation, really, is the only

01:27:35.220 way to describe it, that the high

01:27:36.660 decadence that we live in, you know,

01:27:38.600 people want something better than

01:27:39.860 that.

01:27:40.200 That's the nature of the human soul, and

01:27:41.880 unless people have totally succumbed to

01:27:43.720 it and are totally spiritually dead, in

01:27:45.440 which case, you know, we have to just

01:27:46.740 pray for them and rely on God to help

01:27:48.140 them, the people who are actually have

01:27:51.560 any sort of spiritual life, they

01:27:52.740 naturally desire to go upwards, they

01:27:54.820 want something higher.

01:27:56.600 And the orthodoxy is the truth and can

01:27:58.680 provide that for them, and it is most

01:28:01.160 visible and eminent in our lives, you

01:28:03.080 know, to go to an orthodox church, a

01:28:05.040 parish that has a healthy spiritual

01:28:07.360 life, where they pray, where the

01:28:09.340 families are there, they're normal,

01:28:11.100 you know, they're wholesome.

01:28:13.880 I mean, there's very few environments

01:28:15.220 like this in North America anymore, and

01:28:17.400 that's a very, very attractive thing,

01:28:19.020 but that environment, that reality can

01:28:21.560 only be cultivated by, you know, real

01:28:24.400 organic life, you know, everything that

01:28:26.980 goes into getting yourself to vigil on

01:28:29.380 Saturday service on Sunday, if you could

01:28:31.220 do that, right?

01:28:32.380 That's, you know, that, that, that is

01:28:34.140 what we need to focus on.

01:28:36.100 Because on, on as much as people want

01:28:38.440 to engage in demonstrative politics and

01:28:43.660 activism, which I'm not against,

01:28:45.100 certainly if it's correct, if it's

01:28:46.480 rational, if it has benefit, many of the

01:28:49.060 options that people table are not, they,

01:28:52.040 they require infrastructure to enact,

01:28:54.960 you know, so any sort of, uh, use of

01:28:59.360 force, for instance, would require, uh,

01:29:02.640 you know, or an organization to

01:29:04.620 implement that kind of force in a

01:29:07.200 manner that where it would be effective

01:29:08.560 and render justice and not just

01:29:10.180 idiocy and deleterious effects on our

01:29:12.180 own cause, right?

01:29:13.860 And so all of these things are sort of

01:29:15.980 downstream issues that can only be

01:29:18.140 reached when the authority and primary

01:29:20.460 loyalty of the regime has weakened to

01:29:22.380 the point where, and ours has increased to

01:29:24.700 the point where, uh, any sort of

01:29:27.000 warfare, whether that is, uh, you know,

01:29:30.020 of course I would not promote any

01:29:31.280 illegal action, but any sort of, uh, you

01:29:34.220 know, licit warfare for the primary

01:29:36.080 loyalty of the population would be

01:29:38.640 possible, right?

01:29:39.740 So that's what the whole game is about.

01:29:41.380 That's the whole struggle really.

01:29:42.960 I mean, for us, it's mostly salvation,

01:29:44.480 you know, but that's the best that if

01:29:45.880 you can do that, you know, you've won

01:29:47.200 eternity.

01:29:48.280 So that's, uh, I think at the end of the

01:29:51.260 day, what we have to keep our eyes on is

01:29:52.940 that if we keep struggling, we know

01:29:57.180 that we're spiritually healthy at a

01:29:58.700 minimum because we're moving forward,

01:30:00.300 moving up, you know, and that's the

01:30:01.940 essence of the Christian life.

01:30:02.980 That's what repentance is about.

01:30:04.540 And that no matter how bad things get,

01:30:06.460 as long as we continue to move towards

01:30:08.480 God, to struggle, to trust in him and

01:30:11.380 not just believe in him, but to trust

01:30:12.600 in him that we can have victory.

01:30:14.580 We are assured victory.

01:30:15.920 It will happen for us in the end because

01:30:17.960 we have all the time, right?

01:30:19.180 So, uh, Father Johnson, any closing

01:30:23.280 remarks you'd like to make?

01:30:25.900 I'm wanting to say that the single

01:30:28.540 greatest counter-revolutionary action

01:30:30.860 that anyone can take is to establish an

01:30:34.960 Orthodox family and household and to

01:30:37.800 raise children.

01:30:39.160 That is, not only is it extremely

01:30:42.200 difficult, but it's also extremely

01:30:44.300 rewarding.

01:30:44.740 Um, I've done it and my children are a,

01:30:48.440 a, uh, uh, an addition, a positive

01:30:51.000 addition to this society.

01:30:51.880 It can be done even under very harsh

01:30:53.980 circumstances.

01:30:55.340 Uh, having a family, making babies, as

01:30:58.540 many as, as, you know, possible is, um,

01:31:02.160 something we have to do.

01:31:03.300 It is, it is a primary activism.

01:31:05.080 It is the single most counter-revolutionary

01:31:06.800 thing that I could think of that we can

01:31:08.140 do.

01:31:08.600 It seems mundane, but quite the contrary

01:31:11.240 because that's just being destroyed.

01:31:12.740 Uh, it's absolutely necessary.

01:31:15.040 It has to be done and to raise children

01:31:17.780 this way and then to join with other

01:31:19.320 families in the, in the process, this is

01:31:21.660 what the regime fears more than anything

01:31:23.280 else, which is why they are so obsessed

01:31:24.820 with making divorce easy and destroying

01:31:27.020 men and all this kind of thing.

01:31:28.660 Um, getting married, having children,

01:31:31.720 raising them in this way, uh, is the

01:31:34.040 ultimate counter-revolutionary activity.

01:31:38.000 Absolutely.

01:31:39.040 Absolutely.

01:31:39.480 Okay, well, to our listeners, thank you

01:31:43.120 so much for joining us.

01:31:44.120 I've been your host, Florian Geyer.

01:31:45.740 Uh, joining me in the program, I had

01:31:47.240 Dr. Raphael Johnson.

01:31:49.320 Thank you very much for joining us.

01:31:52.600 Always a pleasure.

01:31:53.580 Always a pleasure.

01:31:55.600 Okay, well, to our dear listeners,

01:31:58.120 Shalom.

01:31:58.500 We sing, des Geiers schwarzer Haufen,

01:32:07.500 hei ja oho, und wollen mit Tyrannen raufen,

01:32:15.820 hei ja oho.

01:32:19.860 Spieß voran, rauf und dran,

01:32:24.020 setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Haar.

01:32:27.500 Spieß voran, rauf und dran,

01:32:31.380 setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Haar.

01:32:39.140 Als Adam brug und Eva schwann,

01:32:44.480 Kyrie eleis,

01:32:48.020 wo war denn da der Edelmann?

01:32:53.140 Kyrie eleis,

01:32:55.260 Spieß voran, rauf und dran,

01:33:01.140 setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Haar.

01:33:04.260 Spieß voran, rauf und dran,

01:33:08.820 setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Haar.

01:33:12.400 Spieß voran, rauf und dran,

01:33:14.400 setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Haar.

01:33:16.280 Uns führt der Florian Geier an,

01:33:20.160 uns führt der Florian Geier an,

01:33:22.160 trotz Acht und Bann.

01:33:24.160 Den Bundschuh führt er in der Fahrt,

01:33:28.040 den Bundschuh führt er in der Fahrt,

01:33:29.040 hat hell und arme Spann.

01:33:33.080 Spieß voran, rauf und dran,

01:33:37.160 setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Haar.

01:33:41.040 Spieß voran, rauf und dran,

01:33:45.240 setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Haar.

01:33:48.680 Bei Weinsberg setzt es Brand und Schank,

01:33:57.500 hei, ja, oh, oh,

01:34:01.060 gar mancher über den Klinge schrank,

01:34:05.600 hei, ja, oh, oh.

01:34:09.560 Spieß voran, rauf und dran,

01:34:13.620 setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Haar.

01:34:17.060 Spieß voran, rauf und dran,

01:34:21.620 setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Haar.

01:34:29.220 Geschlagen ziehen wir nach Haus,

01:34:33.940 hei, ja, oh, oh,

01:34:37.400 unsere Enkel fechten's besser aus,

01:34:42.020 hei, ja, oh, oh,

01:34:44.380 Spieß voran, rauf und dran,

01:34:49.940 setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Haar.

01:34:53.540 Spieß voran, rauf und dran,

01:34:58.120 setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Haar.

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Mysterium Fasces - October 09, 2024

Mysterium Fasces Episode 53 — Orthodoxy + Nationalism

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