In this episode, we discuss what is nationalism and what isorthodoxity, and why they are so different. We are joined by Dr. David Johnson and Dr. Dan Savage to discuss the differences between the two, and what they think about them.
00:03:00.680So, this episode, I think very pithily, we're going to be talking about orthodoxy and nationalism, the intersection between the two.
00:03:09.180And it's going to be, I think, less topical and constructive and more dialectic, more comparative.
00:03:17.460So, there's a couple of questions we've got lined up here, and I think we're just going to go into them one by one, kind of pose the question.
00:03:25.540Everybody else respond, and we'll move forward organically.
00:03:28.900So, I think it's very important to establish what is nationalism, because a lot of people, they come into this movement, and they don't really have a firm, working definition of what nationalism is.
00:03:41.380And there's a lot of competing definitions that can kind of obfuscate the meaning.
00:03:48.860So, a lot of people also posit that nationalism, as we understand it today, is just an 18th century construct used by the states of Europe to provide a social club for their wars, and that nationalist historians, nationalist political theorists are essentially projecting back their contemporaneous ethnocentric view upon history when they talk about the French people through time, or the Germanic people through time, or the Russian people through time.
00:04:17.280So, what's your take on this, Dr. Johnson?
00:04:21.420I imagine this is not the first time you've imposed this question, or you've run into these ideas.
00:04:27.100Yeah, well, you know, I've dedicated my life to just this question.
00:04:31.200For the last 20 years, this is all I've done.
00:04:34.180So, it's, you know, it's made me half crazy.
00:04:39.140In academia, it's not taken seriously.
00:04:42.280Eric Hobsbawm, in that whole mythic category, is everywhere.
00:04:48.580Ernest Gellner, I guess, is as close as you can get to someone who thinks like us.
00:04:53.400I've defined the term national, the nation, very strictly over the years.
00:04:59.640It is a group of people who speak the same language.
00:05:03.100But by language, we're talking about something very, very broad.
00:05:06.360It's not just, you know, vocabulary and syntax.
00:05:09.160It's the entire universe of shared meaning that people have.
00:05:14.620Every folk way, every custom fits in language.
00:05:17.460For any word to have any meaning, it has to have a huge social context.
00:05:22.760But the other ingredient that I use is something unique to me.
00:06:37.100The mere existence of the state for these people is the nation.
00:06:41.880And so it's now so muddled and so disastrous that half the time I'm in academic debates with these people, and we're not even using the words in the same way.
00:06:49.760So this has been an ongoing battle, and, you know, it's been very frustrating.
00:06:57.240Yeah, and this is – I was recently listening to a series of history lectures entitled Europe from its Origins by a man by the name of Joseph Hogarty, a British historian.
00:07:07.120And while it was – I first listened to these lectures when I was a young boy, I was 13, and they changed my life.
00:07:14.720It kind of converted me back to Christianity once I understood where our culture and where the foundation of the European idea came from, which is, of course, Christendom.
00:07:23.380But one of the pernicious themes is, you know, he is quite convinced that – it's very strange.
00:07:29.840He's quite convinced that nationalism is something that was invented in the, you know, 19th and 20th centuries, and that, you know, the concepts that he frequently refers to, you know, the nazios that existed at the University of Prague and the University of Paris.
00:07:42.760You know, and even before that, the sectioning of the different parts of Latin Christendom into the Landoi, these, as you see, loose groups of languages with more regional identities.
00:07:56.260You know, he kind of completely discounts this as being evidence of, you know, communitarian nationalism.
00:08:00.840And it's very frustrating, and it's – it is a hallmark of kind of the academic cognitive dissonance.
00:08:09.360I think it is just for some – I think it's political.
00:08:17.820You know, I've been – the debates that I've had when I'm teaching at different universities, you know, I've been screamed at and nailed at.
00:08:25.180For example, I talked to them about, you know, the Irish national movement in the 13th and 14th century was – not only was it ethnic, but they're using language like we would use.
00:08:37.600Debates, for example, in 16th century Ukraine and Poland between the unions of the Roman Catholics from the north of them was strictly ethnic, using language that sounds very modern.
00:08:48.100Poland without question, you know, it's – you know, ethnicity has always been a dominant – never mind the Jews.
00:08:57.460So this – it's been dominant in so many parts of the world, and they'll always find some excuse.
00:09:03.820And usually what they fall back on is the contradictory position that, well, the state is – the modern state is a modern invention.
00:09:13.840So it's a circular argument, and I can't penetrate it, and there is – it's political.
00:09:21.980It's emotional, and I know that I've paid a heavy price for this because the minute you talk about nationalism and take it seriously, they begin talking about racism and everything else, and they get all irrational, and it's been very difficult.
00:09:39.340I mean, Ernest Gellner has been decent about it, not like us, but he approaches us.
00:09:45.540There's a few academics out there that take it very seriously.
00:09:49.660And, of course, the Jews also, certain fishermen and others have – kind of have a vested interest in defining the nation as a perennial, almost primordial concept.
00:10:01.640And the simple argument is people are not going to marry those that speak a different language.
00:10:08.420They're going to marry people who they have a lot in common with.
00:10:11.800So to think that nations aren't biological is almost – it seems to be ridiculous.
00:10:18.540And even in empires that have been multinational, like Austria or Rome, the nations have been taken seriously as individual nations.
00:10:26.020An empire assumes nation because it's a commonwealth of different ethnic groups, recognizing one emperor.
00:10:34.360But in the center, they speak German, and the bureaucrats in Vienna speak German, Latin in old Rome.
00:10:43.100So ethnicity is built into the concept of the multinational empire.
00:10:47.620So nation would be also a worldview that keeps the people together, so to speak.
00:11:04.060Yeah, this was something that had occurred to me a while ago.
00:11:07.880And it was in the – it was actually a couple of months ago, a couple of years ago, actually, when I was first coming into the alt-right, and we were doing the Nationalist Review Online podcast over at TRS.
00:11:16.120And, you know, immediately I was able to recognize that the big difference in the alt-right, the splitting kind of line of division, was materialism versus idealism.
00:11:28.680But that was kind of only the core surface of what I was picking up on.
00:11:33.180I think really what I was coming to recognize was that there are people who speak our language, the language of tradition, the language of the real world, and there are people who don't.
00:11:43.300And those that understand this language and are rational then discover the principles that inform, you know, a sane view, a sane worldview are our kindred, and we work with, and it's apparent when you speak to them.
00:12:03.320If you remember when Obama went to Kenya, and he was talking about homosexual rights there, and the Kenyan prime minister really blasted him.
00:12:13.360And he's arguing from an African traditionalist point of view, saying we don't do that kind of thing here.
00:12:20.160And it was a big fight, and it was in the front page of the paper that day.
00:12:23.100And I know Matt Heimbeck and we, I myself, wrote an article praising these guys.
00:12:29.800Everywhere you go, the American Indians, it's the same sort of structure, things that they've developed to survive.
00:12:37.480I would say that the nation isn't just what holds the people together.
00:12:46.400And there, of course, is the very famous Ugandan League of Anti-Sodomy, who I'm certain many of you have seen the very humorous video where they quite vigorously attacked President Obama.
00:12:58.820But yeah, no, and I think this is a piece of one.
00:13:04.760Because, like, when you talk of the concept of nation, I mean, to really understand that, I mean, a nation is not just clay.
00:13:14.600For example, if we say that we took out all the Swedes of Sweden and we moved them into a new area, that new area would inherently become Sweden.
00:13:47.380But I think that it's been, I mean, as you say, this is a, the opposition to these kind of ideas are not really, they are not really rooted in, you know, rational critiques or objections.
00:14:00.920It seems to me that one of the things we kind of struggle against is the sort of degradation of language and because the language is degraded, a degradation of thought.
00:14:13.360People can't think clearly because they can't speak clearly because the very words we use have been essentially censored and redefined very subtly through mass media to the point where, you know, we're calling white, black, and black, white.
00:14:35.920Well, the last two years, I've really just, I've become obsessed with that topic.
00:14:41.560I'm starting to realize that words like law, constitution, family, representation, they don't mean the same 200 years ago as they do now.
00:14:51.640In some cases, words like symbol, for example, have no relation to its original usage.
00:14:59.120So, you know, even an educated American goes and reads the Federalist Papers and they don't understand the damn thing that's going on.
00:15:05.880Because all they're doing is imposing retroactively modern conceptions of representation or even justice onto a completely different world.
00:15:15.600And just even in the last 50 years, words have been denuded of all meaning.
00:15:21.040They're being used in words like hypocrisy or paranoid.
00:15:25.040Away, so far from the original meaning, it's useless.
00:15:28.800And it's to the point now we can't have a debate with a lot of these people because we're not even speaking the same language.
00:17:53.380And then you ask them, if someone is unjust towards you, you know, a corporation, for example, does something, you know,
00:17:59.680it takes your savings or your pension, where do you stand to complain?
00:18:02.620If you believe everything is his will to power and your self-interest, then you have no right to complain that the business or somebody else is pursuing their will to power at your expense.
00:18:13.420Yeah, well, and this reaches its logical conclusion under Max Stirner.
00:18:18.620And, I mean, I remember when I first learned of Stirnerism and anarcho-egoism, and this, you know, basically his thesis was that nothing matters and nothing is real except the relationship between one's own ego and the means of production.
00:18:32.620And this is the logical conclusion of nominalism, because that's the only substantiative thing that you can defend in this framework,
00:18:39.960is that the only thing that matters and the only thing that's real is the value that your ego ascribes to the material world and the means of production within it.
00:19:08.680So I think that was an edifying response to the first point.
00:19:12.600I think the second one is, you know, we wrote here,
00:19:15.220bonds of social trust found organically in the family and its extension seem to be critical social capital necessary to sustain a vital and functioning society.
00:19:24.320It seems the case that the further away you move the state from these bonds or this foundation, we could call the nation,
00:19:30.140the more violence is required in order to retain civility.
00:19:32.600And I know that you've talked about this, you know, you've been combating the idea that imperialism is somehow the handmaiden of nationalism.
00:19:41.120And you contend that the imperial, you know, the true state apparatus is, in fact, the enemy of the national polity.
00:19:47.680Well, not inherently, but, you know, most recently it has been.
00:19:55.300Capitalism is inherently international, you know, from its very origins.
00:32:23.860And I think that is a very strong idea to keep on to.
00:32:26.260I mean, I am a big supporter and endorser of two American projects that I inherently support.
00:32:33.180Now I'm primarily referring to the Northwest Front, the Buttle Plan, the Northwest Imperative.
00:32:40.040I'm a big supporter of that and Mr. Covington's ideas.
00:32:43.780And likewise, I'm a major supporter of the TVP's glorious idea of retaking the self.
00:32:50.640With these two concepts, I mean, I think these two movements inherently have – they're on the right path in that regard because they are aiming towards that goal, which you explained, Dr. Johnson.
00:33:05.280I think when we reach a crisis level, either economically or politically or militarily, with debts that can't be paid, secession is becoming – the media is not talking about it – but secession is becoming mainstream, especially in places like Texas, California and Alaska.
00:33:22.020And the less legitimacy in Washington, D.C., the stronger that's going to become.
00:33:28.620And there's nothing, historically, that nothing will lead to that more like a lost war.
00:36:10.720We're not fighting in 2012 when it was looking like they were going to go into Syria.
00:36:14.060I remember there was kind of a huge organic uproar among the, you know, among grunts and among other, you know, seamen and soldiers where they were basically saying, well, you know, I'm not going to fight a war in Syria.
00:36:27.900You know, they were openly talking about deserting and encouraging people against this quite organically.
00:36:33.620You know, going back to this, the system of national dissolution and regional reconstruction that has been described is something that we also – I want to do a shout-out to my friend Masonius Rufus.
00:36:46.120He runs Rebel Yell, which is the Southern Nationalist podcast.
00:36:49.280And this is something that we've talked about several times on the show before, that any strong state is built of strong communities and that it is from the bottom up that any long-term successful national institutions are constructed, not the other way around.
00:37:07.060And so, you know, short of a fascist party taking over government and imposing totalitarian rule, you know, 1933 style, that is really the only option.
00:37:19.720Well, the state and the nation are extensions of the family.
00:37:40.740The minute the family starts falling apart or being redefined, that's it.
00:37:44.460The state becomes this abstraction, isolated from the population.
00:37:47.940And by the way, this is exactly what the anti-federalists said would happen during the convention debates and why they refused to sign the Constitution because, you know, they had actually predicted the American empire developing the monetization of the economy and everything else that would lead to this abstract state in D.C.
00:38:03.580that controls everything via private interest.
00:38:07.060Well, America has this Rome thing going on, it seems like.
00:38:38.720They haven't fought a regular, you know, it would be like Mike Tyson breaking into my house and beating the crap out of me because I'm a threat to him somehow.
00:39:15.220Well, and this is, I think this is, we talked about earlier the degeneration of language, but I think also this abstraction of violence is, these are hallmarks of the Kali Yuga, of the impending eschaton.
00:39:27.600Evola talks about in his Benefits of War how with the advent of industrialized warfare, personal combat doesn't really mean anything.
00:39:36.440I mean, it's artillery teams, you know, firing 60 miles away from a target and killing, you know, hundreds, thousands of people that they never even see, that they, you know, they won't smell their corpses, they know nothing about.
00:39:48.860It's drone operators sitting in Langley, Virginia, you know, blowing up Arab wedding parties.
00:39:55.040You know, it's, it's, and all this stuff.
00:40:00.780You know, and I, I remember that I had this very, a very poignant experience of this when I was a teenager and, you know, the immensely popular video game Call of Duty 4 came out and it was kind of infamous because there was a, a level in it where you, you played, you know, you were essentially a gunship operator.
00:40:19.560And, you know, you were looking through a thermal camera and you were shooting, you know, these people.
00:40:23.340And it was, if you put it side by side with a real, you know, a real footage from a helicopter gunship or from, you know, an AC-130 gunship, it's almost identical.
00:40:34.740I mean, maybe, you know, I don't want to sound too much for tinfoil hat, but maybe, maybe games like that is just a way to desensitize potential recruits.
00:40:46.280I mean, you, you grow up playing all those games and eventually when you actually do it in front of the drone control seat, it, you know, it's not that much difference.
00:40:53.220But it's still on a, it's still on a screen.
00:40:57.260That's, that's actually something that Colonel Steve Grossman discusses at length in his book, On Killing, which, interestingly enough, I, I read while deployed in Iraq in, during the invasion.
00:41:16.700I got a lot of interesting looks on that one.
00:41:18.860But, uh, yeah, it, it, it talks about how psychological distance is, is, is, uh, uh, so important it could be considered a force multiplier to, uh, uh, military action.
00:41:36.420And what these conservatives don't realize, um, is the U.S. is the bad guy, obviously, but the U.S., they're promoting liberalism.
00:41:43.920They're going into an area, they're destroying, you know, more traditional, let's say, you know, Arabic, uh, like the Ba'ath party or Islamic movements.
00:41:51.440And they're imposing, you know, feminism and legal abortion and usury and everything else.
00:41:55.660You know, they're, they're imposing, people don't even realize that.
00:41:58.760These conservatives are, are, are, you know, venerating the military, not realizing that they're imposing, um, uh, uh, leftist, uh, regimes on these people.
00:43:30.660We're going to make him absolutely immobile.
00:43:32.380Uh, I think, uh, I think, I don't think this is really a bad thing because the battle lines now are so clear.
00:43:41.320Um, and we're going to have to be, um, we're going to be prepared to defend ourselves and not just, you know, running over guys on the highway, which unfortunately I haven't had a chance to do yet.
00:43:54.300I only have a Corolla, so, you know, that might be, you know, that might actually hurt me.
00:43:58.460But, um, it depends on how long this is going to last.
00:44:01.580I remember in Syria, uh, you had these, these, um, protests that then became violent protests that then became armed protests.
00:44:10.620Now, you have a Hispanic movement in the southern part of the country that is extremely numerous, unified, has a strong infrastructure, a few guns from the gangs.
00:44:20.760I mean, this isn't a crazy, uh, scenario here.
00:44:25.200So you're telling me the race war is coming?
00:44:42.640Well, this is going to be, I, I, I think personally that the, what I really inherently think is, is going to happen, uh, in the United States is, I think you're going to, like, I, I, I, I think personally that the, what I really inherently think is, is going to happen, uh, in the United States is,
00:44:54.740I think you're going to, like, I, I, essentially, all these white people and these, uh, borderline white nationalist people that have been voting for the Republican Party this election will soon wake up to smell the ashes of the fact that maybe, just maybe, really what is being done right now in terms of politics is nothing more but, you know, uh, appeasement of the masses to a minimalistic degree.
00:45:19.060Um, I think that a lot of people are going to become very, very, uh, disillusioned and very angry about the fact that, you know, they're going to realize that, no, nothing has essentially changed by my vote and, well, all that has really been done now is that we have managed to put, um, a small holes on the brown masses coming into the United States.
00:45:41.920So, I think that the prospects for radicalization of more, uh, white nationalists, um, is, is very, very likely to happen, uh, especially as they realize that mainstream politics has left them down, especially with such a prominent and, what we would call by modern standards, a radical, you know, individuals like Trump to get elected in.
00:46:02.580So, I think as people awaken, and, again, let's just put it this way, uh, blacks, they, they don't care if you vote a Democrat.
00:46:13.400They don't. They, they see you as, you know, something to either, uh, deposit their genetic legacy into through force or something to, to butcher with a, with a stone for the mere aspect of entertainment.
00:46:27.640So, really, what this boils down to is, I think white people are going to become more racially aware, like a lot of cell phoneers are already, but, I think that a lot of the middle classes, the working class peoples in the United States is going to wake up to smell the ashes of the reality that, yeah, ethnic tensions, they're at an all-time high, and, at some point, I sincerely believe that the white man, with his renewed perspective on this world,
00:46:56.000is going to stand out from getting kicked for so fucking long, and, you know, maybe start bashing in some heads himself in, you know, defense of his own well-being.
00:47:06.640I, you know, I, I've come to that conclusion, but then, the next day, I reject it. I, um, it's so, it's, it's, it makes sense, because now, your average Republican can't talk about this situation without talking in racial terms.
00:47:18.820It's impossible. It's impossible. Uh, the, the, the election campaign, the immigration issue, there's no way.
00:47:25.460So, radicalization, it's just, you know, this is now a day-to-day, a mainstream part of it, of the vocabulary, which is why the regime is so upset, uh, with, with Trump's victory.
00:47:39.540No, I, I just, um, I'm not as optimistic about, uh, white organization quite yet.
00:47:46.000You know, they're so well-armed. We are so well-armed by comparison.
00:47:50.200Um, if they didn't do anything after they were forced to bail out the banks a few years ago, and, you know, millions lost pensions and everything else, I don't know.
00:47:59.540I'm, I'm, I want to be as optimistic as you are, but, um, uh, I think things are going to have to get, again, economic collapse, a lost war, things may change.
00:48:08.440But, but as of right now, um, but on, on, a point for you would be that these riots and this violence and blocking traffic and everything else in every major city, you might be right.
00:48:18.040There may be, there's a point when the white guys get angry, and then that's going to be it for them.
00:48:27.680Number one, Dr. Johnson, you are sounding eerily familiar to many of our, uh, more pessimistic acquaintances.
00:48:32.800Um, you know, we had other shows, um, you know, over at Iron March, there are several people who certainly are, are of that mind.
00:48:42.300They basically believe that the United States, whites in the United States, will not become radicalized until, yeah, a war, collapse of government authority, or, um, economic, uh, desperation induces hunger.
00:48:53.380And they actually have to analyze where real, uh, capital comes from, you know, how they eat, what are the structures of survival, as you put, that they can rely on to live.
00:49:41.080And when they're hungry, they would crawl back to the first national soup kitchen.
00:49:45.440And they would say, you know, this Hitler guy, maybe, you know, maybe he had some points after all.
00:49:51.900What we need to keep in mind in terms of the, at some point, imminent collapse is the fact that as long as the federal reserves keep inflating the valuta we have, the economy, because that is what they're doing, they're mass inflating the entirety of the economical system in Europe and in America.
00:50:11.140Okay, it's all based on deliberate, flawed calculations.
00:50:15.400So, they're going to keep fabricating and creating hyperinflation just to keep this mess going.
00:50:21.280I mean, even in Sweden, they borrowed, what was it, 18 billion euros to make sure, actually, I think it was even more than that, an immense amount of money just to these Swedish states so they could, you know, furthermore continue this madness, this social experiment.
00:50:37.080Support more savages, exactly. And we even have a negative interest rate. We have a negative interest rate in the central bank here. I don't know how that's possible, but apparently this.
00:50:46.740Well, that's the beauty of keep, you know, if you can print money. But here is the thing, and this is why I maintain my optimism.
00:50:55.620Now, I often gaze at Greece with great admiration in my eyes. And that is merely because of the fact that the way they have been building up their structure for so very, very long, just for the right moment, when everything cracked down, they could actually rise in such immense numbers.
00:51:16.620When I say this, I say that, likewise, the Americans should take heed of this. Right now, as of now, Trump is not going to save the white race. And I guess that I need to inform people again that Donald R. Trump is not Adolf Hitler.
00:51:33.760I know that you have seen a lot of cool memes. Yeah, I know I'm just talking to you, the listener. You might be sitting there, you know, with your elbow on the table, you know, mildly disinterested, clicking around, looking at Twitter while you are listening to this brilliant podcast.
00:51:50.660You might have seen some of those Donald Trump, equal Adolf Hitler memes, right? You might be seeing him, seeing him in like this Renaissance style paintings.
00:52:00.020And you think to yourself that, you think to yourself that, yes, he's now the monarch of the white race. He's finally going to showcase his saber. He's going to rise into the air with banners in the wind, gloriously screaming, charge as you smite the brown masses.
00:52:15.560It's not going to happen. I'm sorry to tell you, it's not going to happen. What ultimately has been achieved now is four years for you to organize.
00:52:24.080What I can recommend is that people take further more time to spread the word. And I see a lot of motivated people who are spreading the word and essentially trying their best to organize.
00:52:35.660As of now, the liberal media is severely defecating in their pants. They're terrified and they're now blaming the fact that Donald Trump won the election on the basis of the fact that fake stories, as they put them, you know, how fake they are can be debated because the sources are all related to WikiLeaks.
00:52:55.140But regardless, they're now starting to crack down on right-wing media. So what we need to do is, again, they can't punish us through the federal means as of right now.
00:53:06.280What they can do, however, is attack us through the media. So what the American peoples of the right ethnic stock, and I'm now referring to white Americans,
00:53:16.260is that they inherently need to organize and start some structure building.
00:53:20.840That is what the Golden Dawn essentially did, because the ultimate goal as of now is for the American population to be able to, let's just say,
00:53:31.060undermine the state through actually replacing the state, a state within a state.
00:53:37.940And what I mean by that is, and I have talked about this on previous podcasts, I believe,
00:53:43.020what we can understand is that if you can organize enough people and put enough resources together,
00:53:49.800that means that you'll have to apply standards before quantity, right?
00:53:53.560Quality over quantity. You need to have good members in your organization.
00:53:57.600But as you build the structure, you'll have more resources available.
00:54:01.100As you have resources available, you will be able to inherently take away the glory of the state by helping out your own kindred, right?
00:54:09.600If people in your local area, and this is why I find it very, very important that we prioritize regions rather than the entirety of, like, a centralized unity,
00:54:18.600so you need to be capable of doing the jobs that the state inherently is incapable of doing as of right now.
00:54:26.000If you have some people in your region that, for an example, is starving, help them out.
00:54:30.480Essentially, gain the trust of your local populace. That is what the Golden Dawn did.
00:54:34.380If you're capable of showcasing yourself as, you know, the savior type in the eyes of your people,
00:54:39.760you will be able to amass much more support.
00:54:42.480Because, inherently speaking, people don't give two pots of piss about political correctness.
00:54:47.440Inherently. They only say that in public to make themselves look, like, morally superior.
00:54:51.660But when show comes to show, they will rather listen to the people that inherently secured the well-being of their children
00:54:58.500and help them out in tough times, rather than some left-leaning sodomite
00:55:05.480who blabbers on about more human rights and empty promises.
00:55:10.600I came to that exact same conclusion when I first read Pierre-Joseph Prudhomme.
00:55:16.140The theory is that at the local level, we begin organizing everything from credit unions to soup kitchens,
00:55:21.600you know, reading rooms, whatever it is, then over time, we take things that the state,
00:55:27.760and even the enemy private sector, used to do.
00:55:31.480We slowly but surely take over these areas, and then if we begin communicating with other regions,
00:55:36.460we make the state more or less irrelevant.
00:56:45.320You know, they seem to have this natural – it's like an archetype of this father figure that's going to swoop in and make everything okay.
00:56:53.920Everyone seems to have this natural monarchism, not realizing that our – but our people, including smart people, don't seem to know that the president doesn't have this kind of power.
00:57:02.420So my point is, building these structures, which is what we have no choice but to do, I just fear that we don't have the maturity and the men to make this work over time.
00:57:16.320What I think we need to realize is that from a general – the general population of any nation, I think that only 5% of the entirety of a population of every nation is like what you call ideologues, people who inspire the flames of optimism in other people, right?
00:57:33.380As of right now, what we see with all these people who believe that Trump is literally the god emperor is this blind optimism, this intoxicating sense of hope.
00:57:43.800Now, I'm just going to steal a bit from Harold Covington in this one from his brilliant podcast, Radio 3 Northwest, where he has sincerely explained how white people for the first time is actually sensing this feeling of hope, right?
00:58:01.940This feeling of hope, and it's very intoxicating, and they don't really want to let go of that feeling of hope.
00:58:07.340But what ultimately we can make out of this is the fact that I think that people are going to, at some point, become motivated to do something.
00:58:19.260Because, like, just look at Sweden here a couple of days ago.
00:58:22.640There was this glorious march led by the – what was it called?
00:58:41.460Like, I think that the thing is, like, there will always be, like, this minority that will create a narrative and create a sense of what needs to be done.
00:58:50.360And if people view it as pragmatical, they will follow.
00:58:54.240And so, right now, I'm not going to base – become hyper-pessimistic about the entire situation because of a few autistic people who think that Donald Trump is literally Adolf Hitler.
00:59:04.560I am rather going to say that they're going to mature.
00:59:07.380There are – at some point, they're going to smell, you know, they're going to have that dunce of fresh air to their mind.
00:59:14.460And they will realize that we are not voting our way out of this one, are we?
00:59:17.920And I think as that happens, that is when people will start to actually understand the sincerity and the seriousness of the situation we're in.
00:59:25.420Because, let me just remind you all, we are very now – at this very moment, at the 11th hour of a people's existence.
00:59:32.320As of right now, we only have very little spiritual integrity left in our fatherlands and in our populations.
00:59:39.460And when that is being mentioned, let me likewise address the fact that if we – if the last bastions of what makes our people's integrity what it is,
00:59:47.500as soon as the last bit of spirituality is crushed out of our racist body, at that very point, whatever death and fate that awaits us is just a formality.
00:59:58.880As soon as the last bastions of European spirituality and obedience to the one true faith, which is Christendom, when death dies out, whatever happens to us is just a formality.
01:00:12.600If Christendom dies within us, we are already dead.
01:00:15.280This is a bit what Spengler called brave pessimism, I believe.
01:00:22.760That if things are totally hopeless, it's still irrelevant because you're still going to stick to the ideal.
01:00:29.980If you don't stick to the ideal, everything you have is essentially hedonism.
01:01:16.960So individuals who are capable of hearing and have eyes to see need to be preparing for that day so that they will be able to lead others who will suddenly be lost without those future leaders.
01:01:36.960This is really a really good point you're bringing forth here, Doc Savage, because this is really what I think a lot of us who are sitting here listening,
01:01:46.860and hopefully people who are listening right now are not hyper-autistic and have some social skills.
01:01:52.400We all know, I think that the average person who listens to this will ideally become someone who is capable of actually trying to tell people what is actually going on if shit gets real.
01:02:04.840And when I point that out, I really hope that, as you say, people will be able to take some of the masses by the hand and hopefully guide them towards some sort of stability, if you will.
01:43:58.340Civil War refused to do that. They never put out an ideological statement that an ordinary person can read. But the communists and the liberals were geniuses, and they knew how to mobilize the average people using the stupidest, appealing to them with their very lowest passion.
01:44:15.240And both the aristocracy and the royal families refused to do it. They refused to form royalist parties because a party is opposed to the idea of the monarchical state in general. It's almost a contradiction to have a royalist political party. And you're absolutely right, and that's one of the reasons that they lost. Had they embraced propaganda, I think, intellectually, they would have leaned forward with these people, but they never did.
01:44:40.520Even at the very end, even the White Army refused to do it, as they're even losing.
01:44:44.780And this is why, frankly, Andrew Anglin is the most important person in the alt-right he owns the Daily Stormer. I mean, the Daily Stormer is living proof of this principle.
01:44:52.640I mean, it's 20 to 50 times bigger than the next largest far-right website. It's 20 million, I think, unique views a month. I mean, it's just that it is the gold standard.
01:45:06.260And, you know, people, they look at it, and they're like, wow, you know, it's vulgar. Why can't you do this with the vulgarity?
01:45:11.080Well, you know, you've never read Mein Kampf. Just a very basic introduction is that, you know, when you're trying to reach, you know, the maximum acceptable population, you appeal to the lowest common denominator.
01:45:23.960That's right. But you know what? You can have fun with it, too. You know, one-liners, if you're good at it, you can use humor. You can make fun of them and mock our opponents. They're so easy to make fun of and to parody.
01:45:34.320There's a certain humor in that. We could have some fun with it. It can be vulgar and stupid.
01:45:41.480But making fun of them, using comedy and parody and satire, yeah, I think it can be used, and I've used it before.
01:45:51.160And it can be fun. It doesn't necessarily have to be infantile.
01:45:54.080Yeah, well, I mean, and that is what the, that is what one of the big, you know, aims of propagandists that both the Daily Stormer and Iron March is that, you know, that fascism is fun, that this movement is fun, that this is where the, you know, the youthful energy is at, that it is the liberals and the Marxists who are kind of the stuffy, you know, Jewish bureaucrats smoking cigars in dimly lit rooms.
01:46:19.140Yeah, they're like the, they're the grumpy old man, like, we're the new cool kids wearing the acid wash, the leather jackets.
01:46:26.860We're wearing our caps backwards, we're having our pack of cigarettes in our inner pockets.
01:46:30.760You know, we're the cool kids. We like to skateboard on a skateboard on the sidewalk.
01:46:35.240And in this case, the sidewalk is human rights.
01:48:13.440There was actually a case in Sweden where the anti-fascists, you know, the anarchists and all the reds basically got exposed by being used by the security service.
01:48:27.360That's an extremely important point, and it's a great line for us to make fun of them.
01:48:35.440You go to La Raza, and you see the laundry list of corporate donors.
01:48:41.000How radical can these guys be if American Express is their primary controller?
01:48:46.840And they have to report it because they're a nonprofit organization, so they have to report it.
01:48:50.940And saying how corporate America is extremely liberal, if not radical, and they're financing all these guys, that's – it pulls the rug out from under these people.
01:49:01.460That's a brilliant point, showing that and making fun of that and, like, Hillary being controlled by Wall Street and everything else.
01:50:58.940It's the best-kept secret in this country right now.
01:51:00.600And as people are legitimately searching for a home, they're not going to the homosexualized, the Judaized churches, which is almost everybody now.
01:51:09.320Orthodoxy remains really almost by default the sole place to go.
01:51:14.240The only other option would be like the SSPX, the Roman church that I was a part of at one time.
01:51:19.180But I think they're mostly back with the Roman pope today.
01:51:24.200Yeah, it looks like they're reuniting.
01:51:37.940So we're going to move into the Cali Yuga news section of the show.
01:51:42.060So, you know, we're going to cover less stories than we usually do because, you know, I don't want this podcast to run three hours, although it probably could run, you know, much longer than that.
01:51:53.160So I'm going to start with probably the most relevant piece of news.
01:52:56.120Why would there be any attempt to force them to do anything when they vote in this referendum?
01:53:01.800Like 97 percent to get away from the fourth world country of Ukraine and to become – immediately, you know, they adopted the ruble, and their pensions went up by 50 percent automatically just by adopting a new currency.
01:53:13.200It included was in their interest, and China is now investing heavily in the area.
01:53:17.620Why in hell would Russia have any incentive to impose themselves there?
01:53:22.200And that was the initial – that was the claim of the court, and Putin said, this is ridiculous, and he pulled out – I don't know if China is a member.
01:54:05.440And I mean that's why I say this is – you put it perfectly, and it's pretty obvious is that this is just part of the plan to build alternative – a multipolar rule, that there's not one universal arbiter of justice from the high court of Babylon in the Hague.
01:54:25.720I've never been more excited about a country.
01:54:27.660What Duterte is doing there, he won the drug war in a month.
01:54:33.980You know, major Chinese drug gangs are scared to death of him.
01:54:37.640They've cleaned out of the country and have to go to Indonesia and other places to do their business.
01:55:17.160Yeah, and I mean you use the example often of the Taliban using flame throws on the poppy fields in Afghanistan, and it was over in a week.
01:55:27.540And that's really what it comes down to is that – it's just another one of those things is the drug war is a load of crap.
01:55:36.120And the only marginal utility that it has ever had for our political movement is that it essentially – it's imprisonment by proxy of blacks because it's much easier to convict somebody of a possession charge for drugs than it is for many of these other crimes that they commit, that they're just simply not the resources to prosecute properly.
02:08:57.620Yeah, and that's – and, you know, and Nat, one of my favorite Radio Free Skyrim moments is when you so astutely noted that, you know, God blinds them, and they still try to have sex with them.
02:09:39.140Boston, Massachusetts, an American Baptist pastor says she made the decision to abort her baby, quote, with help from my faith, as many women do, end quote.
02:09:53.840Well, that just shows what she believes in.
02:10:34.480I read a while back as well that there was some, uh, some lesbians that literally wanted their daughter, well, their daughter, to, to be, be, be a faggot as well.
02:11:14.960And it, it runs completely contrary to the entire, I mean, female archetype.
02:11:19.500I mean, in the Virgin Mary's womb, all order and rationality, you know, heaven was incarnate, the logos was incarnate in the form of Christ.
02:11:25.920And when you, when you abort your child, you turn your life-giving womb into a graveyard.
02:11:58.720The, the, the inversion, the, the, the homosexuals are the icon, the very icon of Satanism because they mix the, the life-giving, uh, semen, which is an extraordinary creation of God.
02:12:54.060Um, the so-called white ones often are Jewish, and Jews are not white.
02:13:00.280And quite often, as you know, that Hispanics now are being, uh, especially, I know, in Texas and certain other states, they're being called white so as to, um, make the whites seem more prone to violence.
02:13:10.960Um, in New York City, um, I'm looking at the new observer, uh, from Manhattan, uh, rapes, all reported rapes, 90.6% are non-white.
02:13:24.080So, where in the hell are these people, uh, getting this from?
02:13:28.400Um, and, you know, they, they, they see this as being promoted.
02:13:31.800I've seen it in, in a whole bunch of places.
02:13:34.640Um, the domestic violence is absolute nonsense.
02:16:52.460You know, what he did from the standards of, of the university, he didn't do much harmful.
02:16:57.260It's not exactly that's agonizing if you're a woman and had that done to you by the most popular kid in school.
02:17:02.880And, uh, it's, it, uh, and then, then that woman, uh, whose identity has not been released for a very good reason, allegedly wrote a letter that, um, was clearly written by a, a, spread all over the press about what a victim she is and how she has nightmares and everything else is absurdity.
02:17:34.260They, they, they won't release the woman's name because if they did, probably they're going to say, oh, well, yeah, she's a campus mattress.
02:18:21.620That's an excellent example of this is if you go to the, um, you know, the Texas, um, state, state troopers department, you know, they have a list of the most wanted fugitives.
02:19:50.480I, I remember when the, um, uh, Department of Homeland Security, uh, said that they were, they were, they were,
02:19:59.080they were looking at white male, uh, Christian veterans as particularly vulnerable to, quote, unquote, radicalization and impossible terrorism.