Mysterium Fasces

00:00:00.000 To be continued...

00:00:30.000 To be continued...

00:01:00.000 All right, everybody.

00:01:15.500 Welcome to Mysterium Fashies.

00:01:17.660 We're bringing you a very special interview

00:01:19.640 with a guest we've wanted to have on our show

00:01:21.500 and on Nationalist Review Online before it for a long time.

00:01:24.880 We're here today with Matthew Heimbach

00:01:26.700 of the Traditionalist Workers' Party.

00:01:28.580 Thanks for coming on, Matt.

00:01:29.920 I'm so happy to be here, gentlemen.

00:01:31.540 It's really an honor.

00:01:33.360 The honor is all ours.

00:01:34.780 I mean, we had Raphael Johnson on last week,

00:01:38.360 and that was a delightful experience.

00:01:40.380 Audio issues notwithstanding,

00:01:42.120 I've fired Nat and hired Zyger 1.00

00:01:44.560 to record the audio for this week,

00:01:45.920 so hopefully things should progress

00:01:48.700 progress a little bit more smoothly.

00:01:51.340 Joining me today on the panel,

00:01:52.840 I've got Graeva Hans, as usual.

00:01:55.780 Yeah, pleasure to be here.

00:01:57.820 James Futurist.

00:01:59.460 Hi, glad to be here again.

00:02:01.260 And as mentioned,

00:02:02.220 our ever-diligent and really professional

00:02:04.480 and never-makes-mistakes, Zyger.

00:02:06.760 Hey, it's good to be on.

00:02:09.100 Confident recording.

00:02:10.520 Yes, excellent.

00:02:11.980 With introductions out of the way,

00:02:13.820 I mean, there's a lot

00:02:15.680 that we could be talking about,

00:02:17.760 but what I want to do

00:02:19.460 is I think try to bring

00:02:21.220 kind of something personally useful

00:02:23.440 to our guests,

00:02:24.280 something that's real,

00:02:25.660 that's kind of practical,

00:02:26.740 that's not in the abstract.

00:02:28.480 And I think that one of the things

00:02:30.020 that unites everybody

00:02:30.800 that's having this conversation

00:02:31.880 is our worldview is more or less the same.

00:02:35.280 I mean, you can call it

00:02:36.840 under different labels,

00:02:37.720 fascism, national socialism,

00:02:39.200 traditionalism,

00:02:39.820 but the way that we look at the world,

00:02:42.100 the way that we think,

00:02:43.260 the way that we build our lives

00:02:45.460 and engage with each other

00:02:46.520 is more or less an equal footing.

00:02:48.880 And I think that's what enables us

00:02:51.360 to be comrades

00:02:52.080 despite the major theological

00:02:55.160 or whatever have you divisions between us.

00:02:59.320 And so I guess the question I have to you,

00:03:02.060 to you, Matt,

00:03:03.020 is, you know,

00:03:06.840 obviously orthodoxy

00:03:08.960 is very important to you,

00:03:10.260 but how did,

00:03:11.580 how did, number one,

00:03:12.600 you come to be an orthodox Christian,

00:03:14.400 and second,

00:03:15.000 how did you come to be

00:03:15.840 a national socialist?

00:03:16.900 How did you come to see the world

00:03:18.260 in the way that you see it today?

00:03:20.340 Well, those two things

00:03:21.440 are actually very intertwined

00:03:23.000 with one another.

00:03:24.280 You know,

00:03:24.660 I was raised Catholic,

00:03:25.860 but the best way

00:03:27.180 to make someone not Catholic

00:03:28.380 is send your kid

00:03:29.580 to Catholic school

00:03:30.400 and a person

00:03:31.120 adding to an environment.

00:03:32.940 Yeah,

00:03:33.360 I can speak personally

00:03:34.180 to that fact.

00:03:35.000 I mean,

00:03:35.560 I recently started

00:03:38.280 the process of conversion

00:03:39.320 to orthodoxy,

00:03:40.620 so I'm on that very same train.

00:03:43.580 Oh,

00:03:43.800 glory to God.

00:03:45.000 Well,

00:03:45.580 I mean,

00:03:46.240 it's an amazing thing,

00:03:47.220 and it was a process,

00:03:48.400 you know,

00:03:48.700 that I began,

00:03:50.060 you know,

00:03:50.880 I walked away from the faith.

00:03:51.940 I was the edgy teenager

00:03:53.660 that every one of us

00:03:54.800 pretty much was,

00:03:55.700 you know,

00:03:56.680 kind of walking away

00:03:57.800 from the faith,

00:03:58.940 walking with the world,

00:04:00.020 and then you realize

00:04:00.860 how empty the world

00:04:01.920 really is,

00:04:03.140 you know,

00:04:03.620 and it really,

00:04:05.820 there's nothing for us here.

00:04:07.620 The modern world

00:04:08.380 is degenerate.

00:04:09.500 The modern world

00:04:10.240 is nothing but broken families,

00:04:12.140 a lack of identity.

00:04:13.440 I mean,

00:04:13.640 we can go on

00:04:14.300 on every single thing

00:04:15.320 that the modern world gives us

00:04:16.520 that's negative.

00:04:18.100 So,

00:04:18.640 I started walking back

00:04:19.640 towards the faith,

00:04:20.840 and what brought me

00:04:21.720 to orthodoxy

00:04:22.500 is I was a really good Catholic.

00:04:25.240 Not in terms of,

00:04:26.400 you know,

00:04:26.560 I'm chief among sinners,

00:04:27.960 no problem admitting that,

00:04:29.080 but, you know,

00:04:29.400 in terms of trying to follow

00:04:30.160 the traditions of the church,

00:04:31.880 I took it very,

00:04:32.620 very seriously.

00:04:33.120 I was going to daily mass

00:04:34.280 when I started

00:04:35.100 the white student union.

00:04:36.620 That's really what got me through it,

00:04:37.960 you know,

00:04:38.660 with all the death threats

00:04:39.500 and all sorts of other things.

00:04:41.300 But it really started breaking down

00:04:43.260 when I realized

00:04:44.060 that tradition

00:04:45.100 that I was reading about,

00:04:46.880 when I was reading

00:04:47.340 the words of the saints,

00:04:48.260 reading the words

00:04:48.980 of history

00:04:50.000 and of our ancestors

00:04:51.260 who were Catholic,

00:04:52.520 they weren't being reflected

00:04:53.640 in the modern Catholic church.

00:04:54.860 So I kind of went on a journey

00:04:56.400 as to why.

00:04:58.440 And, you know,

00:04:59.140 I ended up going back

00:05:00.100 and to the schism of 1054 AD

00:05:02.660 and siding with the orthodox church.

00:05:05.720 You know,

00:05:06.160 basically saying

00:05:06.760 that the current system

00:05:07.500 of the Vatican

00:05:08.000 that I saw,

00:05:09.140 and I've got,

00:05:09.540 again,

00:05:10.020 my family's Catholic.

00:05:11.240 I have lots of friends

00:05:11.800 who are Catholic,

00:05:12.460 love them to death.

00:05:13.500 But for me,

00:05:14.580 I saw the seeds

00:05:16.020 of modernism

00:05:16.740 that the Jews

00:05:18.200 and the Freemasons

00:05:18.980 have used

00:05:19.720 in the post-Vatican II

00:05:20.740 Catholic church

00:05:21.440 were planted

00:05:22.380 in 1054.

00:05:23.880 It just took a while

00:05:24.780 for them to grow.

00:05:25.840 So that's what brought me

00:05:26.940 to orthodoxy.

00:05:28.020 And then,

00:05:28.740 but with national socialism,

00:05:30.400 what I came to realize

00:05:31.620 is the organic

00:05:32.800 hierarchical society

00:05:34.060 that you see

00:05:35.160 in Christianity,

00:05:36.280 you know,

00:05:36.520 what you hold true

00:05:37.380 on earth

00:05:37.820 is held true in heaven.

00:05:39.260 This principle

00:05:40.060 that there is

00:05:41.080 a natural law

00:05:42.480 of hierarchy,

00:05:44.180 of duty,

00:05:44.820 of gender roles,

00:05:45.900 of, you know,

00:05:46.440 God created the places

00:05:47.460 for the nations.

00:05:48.840 That ultimately

00:05:49.380 spoke to me

00:05:50.200 on the principles

00:05:51.040 of national socialism

00:05:52.000 because you have

00:05:52.560 capitalism

00:05:53.080 that destroys

00:05:54.640 any principle

00:05:55.920 of taking care

00:05:56.500 of your own people.

00:05:57.640 And with that,

00:05:58.440 you know,

00:05:58.620 when I read

00:05:59.080 in the scriptures

00:05:59.480 it says,

00:06:00.320 you know,

00:06:00.460 if you just pray

00:06:00.960 for your brother

00:06:01.940 and you don't feed him

00:06:03.100 if you don't care

00:06:03.640 for him,

00:06:04.400 then it's like

00:06:05.260 you did nothing at all

00:06:06.140 or worse than

00:06:06.760 doing nothing at all.

00:06:07.640 And when it comes

00:06:08.060 to nationalism,

00:06:09.280 the idea that it says

00:06:10.500 if those who don't care

00:06:11.760 for those of their own house

00:06:12.840 are worse than a non-believer.

00:06:14.760 So, you know,

00:06:15.520 rejecting capitalism,

00:06:16.580 rejecting cosmopolitanism,

00:06:17.840 and of course,

00:06:18.420 communism

00:06:19.160 destroys the idea

00:06:21.240 of being able

00:06:21.980 to work

00:06:22.920 and have a just system

00:06:23.860 where you're encouraged

00:06:24.980 for your labor

00:06:25.660 to be able to then

00:06:26.380 build for your family.

00:06:27.400 So, it really,

00:06:28.540 what brought me,

00:06:29.260 kind of everything

00:06:29.860 was getting back

00:06:30.500 to tradition

00:06:30.960 and seeing

00:06:31.800 traditionalism,

00:06:33.340 natural law,

00:06:34.580 and how the modern system

00:06:36.200 on both the left

00:06:36.780 and the right

00:06:37.280 both pervert natural law

00:06:39.020 in one capacity

00:06:39.700 or another.

00:06:40.120 And if God created

00:06:40.940 natural law,

00:06:42.300 then they're rebelling

00:06:43.580 against God.

00:06:44.380 So, for me,

00:06:44.880 my religious experience

00:06:46.040 and my politics

00:06:47.440 really came together

00:06:48.520 in that national socialism

00:06:49.940 is the most organic expression

00:06:52.280 of how society

00:06:53.260 is supposed to be organized,

00:06:55.140 and then orthodoxy

00:06:56.600 is the traditional

00:06:58.400 Christian faith

00:06:59.560 that coincides with that.

00:07:00.760 So, all of it

00:07:01.600 kind of came together

00:07:02.620 simultaneously.

00:07:05.280 Wow.

00:07:06.080 That's startlingly similar

00:07:09.020 to my own worldview

00:07:10.260 and to kind of how I came

00:07:13.120 to be at the position

00:07:14.880 that I am.

00:07:15.560 I mean, in that sense,

00:07:17.320 yeah, you know,

00:07:18.000 you begin to learn.

00:07:19.520 I mean, you have an inherent

00:07:20.880 understanding of natural law.

00:07:22.740 And I mean, anybody

00:07:23.340 with a good spirit,

00:07:24.820 with right order,

00:07:25.600 when they start applying

00:07:26.440 themselves to the business

00:07:27.760 of learning the truth,

00:07:28.740 I mean, it becomes apparent

00:07:29.640 that there are certain rules.

00:07:32.320 And you follow this thread

00:07:33.840 and eventually it's like,

00:07:35.100 well, you know,

00:07:36.500 if Jesus Christ is the Logos,

00:07:37.960 he's the manifestation

00:07:38.580 of all of divine truth,

00:07:41.220 then it's not surprising

00:07:42.020 that the kikes 1.00

00:07:42.700 who murdered him

00:07:43.340 are engaging

00:07:44.160 in the things

00:07:45.520 that they are.

00:07:47.120 Yeah, exactly.

00:07:48.600 And the church

00:07:49.780 was supposed to be

00:07:50.400 the body of Christ's rights.

00:07:52.100 So, I mean,

00:07:53.060 in a body,

00:07:53.540 you have different things.

00:07:54.280 You have like a foot,

00:07:55.080 you have a leg,

00:07:55.780 you have, you know,

00:07:56.440 hands,

00:07:56.940 you have all this stuff.

00:07:58.200 But it's still united.

00:08:02.600 Yeah, exactly.

00:08:03.900 And so I think,

00:08:04.700 yeah,

00:08:05.860 I think that that's

00:08:06.420 kind of the path

00:08:07.200 that a lot of people

00:08:08.060 that are genuinely

00:08:08.820 interested in learning

00:08:10.060 the truth

00:08:10.600 and living in accordance

00:08:11.680 with,

00:08:13.200 I mean,

00:08:13.500 we use this buzzword a lot,

00:08:14.500 the cosmic order

00:08:15.300 that they walk down.

00:08:18.220 And yeah,

00:08:18.540 I mean,

00:08:18.880 you know,

00:08:19.360 you talk about

00:08:20.020 the seeds of error

00:08:21.700 kind of rooted in 1054.

00:08:23.280 I've been reading a book

00:08:24.880 called Two Paths

00:08:26.600 by Michael Welton

00:08:28.520 on the advice

00:08:29.080 of Father Raphael Johnson.

00:08:30.780 We've been recording

00:08:31.880 these chapters

00:08:32.720 blow by blow

00:08:33.520 in a theology discord.

00:08:35.600 And so hopefully soon

00:08:36.420 we'll be able to post that

00:08:37.340 on our SoundCloud

00:08:38.160 so that everybody can get

00:08:39.280 kind of the

00:08:41.420 first-hand arguments

00:08:44.320 from the Church Fathers

00:08:45.980 that completely blow

00:08:46.960 Rome out of the water

00:08:47.820 when it comes to claims

00:08:48.740 of papal infallibility

00:08:49.980 and papal superiority.

00:08:52.400 And I mean,

00:08:53.080 I don't know how

00:08:54.080 the experience was for you,

00:08:55.260 but, you know,

00:08:55.840 I kind of had it

00:08:56.700 the other way around.

00:08:57.400 I kind of came to it

00:08:58.280 very recently in spirit

00:08:59.720 and then the intellect followed.

00:09:02.240 And, you know,

00:09:03.060 it was astonishing to me

00:09:05.020 how even just

00:09:07.840 the most cursory examination

00:09:09.160 of the patristic

00:09:09.960 writings on this particular issue

00:09:12.420 are almost universally

00:09:13.940 pointing to one direction.

00:09:15.120 You know,

00:09:15.340 how Rome basically made up

00:09:16.940 papal infallibility

00:09:17.940 and papal supremacy.

00:09:19.580 Well, exactly.

00:09:20.120 I mean,

00:09:20.340 and that's the thing

00:09:21.180 that really needs

00:09:22.120 to be understood

00:09:22.880 going back

00:09:24.480 that you've got

00:09:24.900 the entire Church

00:09:25.640 on one side

00:09:26.220 and you've got

00:09:26.500 the Bishop of Rome

00:09:27.280 on the other

00:09:28.100 and you've got

00:09:29.100 a millennia

00:09:29.820 of Christian tradition

00:09:31.280 that does not coincide

00:09:33.640 with the perspective

00:09:34.200 put forward by Rome.

00:09:35.580 And that to me,

00:09:36.480 you know,

00:09:36.740 and I'll admit,

00:09:37.700 sometimes I get

00:09:39.100 what I call Rome sick,

00:09:40.400 you know,

00:09:41.020 because, you know,

00:09:42.220 you miss it,

00:09:43.660 you know,

00:09:43.780 especially as a kid

00:09:44.480 with what you're raised with.

00:09:45.720 And, you know,

00:09:46.220 when I was in college,

00:09:47.360 the Cathedral of Mary,

00:09:48.360 our Queen

00:09:48.760 was my local parish

00:09:49.780 and it's the most beautiful church

00:09:51.060 I've ever been in

00:09:52.000 in my entire life.

00:09:52.980 It's amazing.

00:09:53.700 It's a place that I prayed.

00:09:55.100 God knows how many days

00:09:55.940 got me through

00:09:56.320 so many different things.

00:09:57.520 The death of my grandfather,

00:09:58.840 going through being

00:09:59.640 a public nationalist

00:10:00.820 and getting used to that,

00:10:02.440 all sorts of things

00:10:03.380 and changes in my life.

00:10:04.580 So it's very powerful.

00:10:06.160 But to understand tradition,

00:10:08.540 that if St. Paul tells us

00:10:09.900 we are to hold

00:10:10.980 to the traditions

00:10:11.700 that are given to us,

00:10:12.920 you cannot disregard

00:10:14.080 the first thousand years

00:10:15.360 of Christianity

00:10:15.960 that just do not match up.

00:10:18.060 And it was a very

00:10:18.780 kind of hard thing for me

00:10:20.060 because then

00:10:20.900 as I was getting

00:10:21.420 into National Socialism

00:10:22.680 and I was a Catholic,

00:10:24.060 I looked to men 1.00

00:10:24.780 like General Leon DeGrel,

00:10:25.820 one of the absolute

00:10:27.020 most faithful

00:10:27.900 and amazing men

00:10:29.360 of the 20th century,

00:10:30.740 you read all the different things.

00:10:33.020 You have Father Tizo,

00:10:33.860 you had a Catholic priest

00:10:34.780 running a fascist state

00:10:36.260 and of course Franco

00:10:37.580 and the Falangists in Spain.

00:10:39.640 And all of that

00:10:40.540 really spoke to me

00:10:41.420 and there was kind of

00:10:43.040 a tear inside me

00:10:44.140 where I didn't want

00:10:45.260 to leave

00:10:46.380 what I was raised with

00:10:47.800 but what I really

00:10:48.620 started to understand,

00:10:49.960 not to sound like a Baptist

00:10:50.840 but I wanted that

00:10:51.560 old-time religion,

00:10:52.460 you want to get

00:10:53.300 to the traditions.

00:10:55.360 What I see is

00:10:56.380 for me to become

00:10:57.300 Western Rite Orthodox

00:10:58.240 is to better get in touch

00:11:00.700 with my ancestors,

00:11:01.740 to better follow the faith

00:11:02.820 that they initially

00:11:03.820 converted to,

00:11:04.700 that they saw

00:11:05.200 as the fulfillment

00:11:05.900 of their pre-Christian traditions,

00:11:07.980 that they were willing

00:11:08.820 to sacrifice and die for

00:11:10.300 and it's a really

00:11:11.680 beautiful thing.

00:11:12.320 So for me,

00:11:12.900 this entire process,

00:11:14.220 it was a long one,

00:11:15.400 it was a multi-year process,

00:11:16.640 it was a lot of soul searching

00:11:17.920 but it ended with me

00:11:19.460 realizing that not only

00:11:20.700 is, do I believe

00:11:21.620 it objectively true,

00:11:23.140 the best way

00:11:23.700 to honor my ancestors

00:11:24.740 is to follow the faith

00:11:26.120 they actually practiced,

00:11:27.420 not the one that was

00:11:28.260 forced on us by Rome.

00:11:31.200 Precisely.

00:11:31.840 And I mean,

00:11:32.180 and that's the thing

00:11:32.680 is our ancestors

00:11:33.340 did not convert to Rome

00:11:34.580 or Constantinople

00:11:35.660 or Kiev,

00:11:36.640 I mean,

00:11:36.900 they converted to Christianity,

00:11:39.040 Orthodox Catholicism.

00:11:41.380 And, you know,

00:11:42.720 it's unfortunate

00:11:44.380 that the nature

00:11:46.020 of these things

00:11:46.580 is so many people's

00:11:47.520 national cultural identity

00:11:49.780 is bound up in religion

00:11:50.920 and in this wasteland

00:11:52.100 of the United States,

00:11:52.940 many people,

00:11:53.660 like, you know,

00:11:54.080 being Catholic.

00:11:55.160 That's all you got left.

00:11:57.120 And when you're hardcore,

00:11:58.320 like, you know,

00:11:59.320 you know,

00:11:59.880 like you or I

00:12:00.960 or anybody,

00:12:01.680 you know,

00:12:01.780 you take this seriously,

00:12:03.720 I mean,

00:12:04.040 that's your life.

00:12:05.420 I mean,

00:12:05.660 that's how you see yourself

00:12:07.140 cosmologically,

00:12:08.500 you know,

00:12:08.740 as a soldier

00:12:09.280 in the armies

00:12:11.080 of the papacy,

00:12:11.720 so to speak.

00:12:12.660 And so, yeah,

00:12:13.120 to shirk away from that

00:12:14.520 in the true Islamic sense

00:12:16.000 of the word

00:12:16.400 to turn away from

00:12:17.340 is,

00:12:18.360 I mean,

00:12:19.920 it's dramatic.

00:12:20.400 It's a real conversion.

00:12:21.520 Your whole way of thinking

00:12:22.520 shifts dramatically

00:12:23.640 even though,

00:12:24.420 you know,

00:12:24.700 the formal theology

00:12:27.040 is just three

00:12:28.260 or four

00:12:28.680 or five different points

00:12:29.740 in terms of disparity.

00:12:32.400 The worldview

00:12:33.300 is completely different.

00:12:34.240 Well, exactly.

00:12:36.520 It's a much more organic thing

00:12:38.020 and, I mean,

00:12:38.740 you had Dr. Johnson

00:12:40.580 on last week,

00:12:41.580 so I don't just want

00:12:42.660 to rehash what he said.

00:12:43.620 Of course,

00:12:43.880 he's my spiritual father,

00:12:45.320 so, you know,

00:12:46.180 I get so much from him,

00:12:47.800 but the work that he's done

00:12:49.400 translating so many

00:12:50.280 of the works

00:12:50.780 from Russia,

00:12:51.680 especially,

00:12:52.600 of understanding,

00:12:53.620 you know,

00:12:53.880 things like the commune.

00:12:55.680 You know,

00:12:56.200 he's written a lot of books

00:12:57.040 about, you know,

00:12:57.740 sobernessity

00:12:58.360 and the idea

00:12:58.920 of the community

00:12:59.940 and how it all ties in together.

00:13:01.140 That was transformative to me

00:13:02.840 as a nationalist as well

00:13:04.540 of understanding

00:13:05.740 the organic communal nature

00:13:07.400 of Christianity

00:13:08.280 goes all the way

00:13:09.880 from the family,

00:13:11.920 goes all the way

00:13:12.460 into the community,

00:13:13.500 goes into how you organize

00:13:14.500 the community

00:13:14.980 and the nation,

00:13:15.840 so everything is tied up

00:13:17.240 in and of itself

00:13:17.940 in this beautiful

00:13:19.460 hierarchical way

00:13:20.440 where, you know,

00:13:20.860 the church is,

00:13:22.840 or the home

00:13:23.540 is the smallest church

00:13:24.720 that you have

00:13:25.620 and it goes outward

00:13:26.240 from there

00:13:26.860 and the responsibilities

00:13:27.980 of the husband

00:13:28.880 as the patriarch

00:13:29.660 just as you have

00:13:30.760 the king

00:13:31.280 who is the king

00:13:32.200 of the nation

00:13:32.760 who then follows God.

00:13:34.300 The hierarchy

00:13:35.020 that you see

00:13:35.840 in the traditional way

00:13:37.040 of doing things

00:13:37.820 is reflected

00:13:38.640 in every aspect of life

00:13:40.800 if it's being done properly.

00:13:43.120 So that for orthodoxy

00:13:44.100 for me

00:13:44.380 was a really amazing thing

00:13:45.240 to realize

00:13:45.720 I could not separate

00:13:47.080 my politics

00:13:47.620 from my religion

00:13:48.240 because everything

00:13:49.520 was just intricately

00:13:50.480 tied together

00:13:51.260 in a really

00:13:53.140 a symphonic way.

00:13:54.960 Yeah, exactly.

00:13:56.300 And I think that

00:13:56.800 this is one of the issues

00:13:57.680 of Americanism

00:13:58.480 that so many

00:13:59.420 nationalists

00:14:00.240 themselves have imbibed

00:14:01.400 is that, you know,

00:14:02.580 putting aside

00:14:03.240 all matters

00:14:03.820 of, you know,

00:14:05.500 practicality

00:14:06.200 and, you know,

00:14:06.580 not getting into

00:14:07.300 religious divisions

00:14:08.120 with when we're trying

00:14:09.520 to work towards

00:14:10.000 a common goal.

00:14:10.760 I mean, it is the case

00:14:11.520 that secularism 0.99

00:14:12.280 is a lot of nonsense. 0.89

00:14:14.020 I mean, what you believe

00:14:14.740 about the foundational truths

00:14:16.500 of the cosmos

00:14:17.520 and the universe

00:14:18.260 and your life

00:14:18.920 and what you ought

00:14:19.640 to be doing with yourself

00:14:20.400 are going to affect

00:14:21.300 every single element

00:14:22.760 of how you exist

00:14:23.740 and your society

00:14:24.500 if you actually

00:14:25.080 take them seriously.

00:14:25.900 Well, yeah,

00:14:28.560 there's no way

00:14:29.440 for it to not

00:14:30.040 directly impact you.

00:14:31.680 It's just sort of

00:14:32.400 these ideas

00:14:32.960 that people put

00:14:34.000 on identities.

00:14:34.660 They put on

00:14:35.200 different hats

00:14:35.880 where they signal

00:14:37.880 and they countersignal

00:14:38.840 but that's not

00:14:39.620 really believing something.

00:14:40.660 If you believe something

00:14:41.640 then it means

00:14:42.940 that it actually

00:14:44.040 has to impact you

00:14:45.120 in a way

00:14:45.700 in how you view

00:14:46.280 the world

00:14:46.640 and how you interact

00:14:47.320 with the world.

00:14:48.440 Yeah, and I believe

00:14:49.740 that's kind of

00:14:51.180 how modern pagans

00:14:52.120 miss.

00:14:53.020 They don't practice

00:14:53.740 their religion.

00:14:54.340 They don't read

00:14:55.460 any old works.

00:14:56.700 They just call

00:14:57.160 themselves pagan.

00:14:58.260 Hey, look at me.

00:14:59.140 I'm a pagan.

00:15:01.400 Well, that's the way

00:15:02.400 a lot of...

00:15:02.920 I don't think it's...

00:15:03.880 The pagans are

00:15:04.440 an egregious example

00:15:05.340 of this but I think

00:15:06.080 that this is an issue

00:15:07.380 that you see

00:15:08.880 even with orthodox.

00:15:10.620 I mean, there are

00:15:11.120 a lot of guys

00:15:11.780 who convert to orthodoxy

00:15:12.980 because they want to be...

00:15:14.320 I mean, ortho-larper

00:15:15.080 is a real thing.

00:15:15.920 They want to have

00:15:17.040 a church that they

00:15:18.280 can put the hat on 0.97

00:15:19.240 that's less dildo

00:15:20.680 than the modern 0.93

00:15:21.180 Catholic church.

00:15:21.940 They don't want to

00:15:22.340 have to deal

00:15:22.800 with the fallout

00:15:23.620 of every one

00:15:24.440 of Pope Francis's

00:15:25.180 remarks and so

00:15:25.840 it's easy to just

00:15:26.680 say, oh, well,

00:15:27.380 you know,

00:15:27.560 I'm orthodox now.

00:15:29.120 Hipsters.

00:15:31.860 Mimodoxy.

00:15:32.620 Isn't that what

00:15:32.940 we call it?

00:15:33.660 The Mimodox church? 0.96

00:15:35.420 Yeah.

00:15:36.860 Mimodox church?

00:15:38.240 Mimodox, yes.

00:15:39.040 Is this some

00:15:40.380 satiric

00:15:41.000 kegism? 1.00

00:15:43.300 I don't think

00:15:44.840 it's kegism 0.99

00:15:45.640 but it's just...

00:15:46.720 Yeah, you see

00:15:47.160 a lot of this

00:15:47.640 and it's the same

00:15:49.640 problem.

00:15:50.000 The pagans are 0.84

00:15:51.600 the most egregious 0.71

00:15:52.420 obviously because

00:15:53.340 I mean, look,

00:15:54.160 let's be honest

00:15:55.040 about what you are.

00:15:56.320 You don't have to

00:15:57.240 endorse this point

00:15:58.140 of view.

00:15:58.500 This is just

00:15:58.980 James speaking here

00:15:59.940 but pagans,

00:16:02.220 you're just

00:16:03.740 atheists who 0.93

00:16:04.640 don't want to be

00:16:05.280 associated with

00:16:06.240 the Reddit hat

00:16:07.000 meme, okay?

00:16:08.640 That's what you are.

00:16:11.700 Yeah.

00:16:12.420 I mean,

00:16:12.900 and there are a few

00:16:15.000 of them that are

00:16:15.640 serious but I think

00:16:16.560 that this is an issue

00:16:17.480 that more broadly

00:16:18.780 affects, I mean,

00:16:19.740 all of the alt-right

00:16:22.500 and kind of the

00:16:22.940 religious fear.

00:16:23.640 You know,

00:16:23.820 and I got a comment

00:16:24.480 on the last episode

00:16:27.440 which will lead

00:16:28.180 nicely into my

00:16:28.800 second point

00:16:29.380 and, you know,

00:16:30.520 we were talking

00:16:31.280 about...

00:16:32.580 This guy was saying,

00:16:33.520 well, you know,

00:16:34.040 why do you always

00:16:34.680 target the low-hanging

00:16:35.640 fruit of the critique

00:16:37.640 that Christianity 0.95

00:16:38.380 is just, you know, 0.98

00:16:39.140 a religion of weakness 1.00

00:16:40.080 and all this?

00:16:41.420 Well, I mean,

00:16:41.880 I responded to him

00:16:42.680 that the issue

00:16:43.680 is that 90%

00:16:44.420 of the people

00:16:44.860 that critique Christianity

00:16:45.900 essentially come at it

00:16:47.500 from the same premise

00:16:49.100 of atheism.

00:16:50.320 That they use

00:16:50.760 the same memes, 1.00

00:16:52.020 the same stupid 1.00

00:16:53.040 shitty quips, 1.00

00:16:54.200 the same facile

00:16:55.180 talking points,

00:16:56.580 you know,

00:16:56.860 oh,

00:16:57.180 my kike on a stick 0.99

00:16:58.060 is the epitome of it.

00:17:00.120 It's the whole archetype.

00:17:01.360 Oh, turn the other cheek,

00:17:02.360 Goyam,

00:17:02.980 you know,

00:17:03.280 and so it once...

00:17:05.340 And that's the thing,

00:17:05.960 and then, like,

00:17:06.640 the people who are

00:17:08.140 of good will,

00:17:08.680 I mean, you know,

00:17:09.820 Zeiger and I

00:17:10.460 have conversations

00:17:11.120 about religion

00:17:11.860 and theology

00:17:13.040 all the time,

00:17:13.640 but of course,

00:17:14.060 Zeiger, you know, 0.92

00:17:14.540 you're not a Christian, 1.00

00:17:15.240 Right. Yeah, I mean, when you're open and you take things in good faith, the conversation is going to be much more productive.

00:17:27.460 I think it's quite possible for people who are not Christians and Christians to cooperate up to a certain extent and have a united movement.

00:17:37.680 But I'm not entirely sure that with people as a whole that that's going to be possible.

00:17:43.440 What do you think, Matt? Do you think it's possible to build like a solid movement with different people who hold different religious beliefs?

00:17:51.600 Do you think we should all be united? And more importantly, do you think that's that's even possible?

00:17:58.480 Well, I mean, to me, I think Dr. Joseph Goebbels said it best that the party is not a church.

00:18:05.360 The job of the party is to care for the physical needs of the people.

00:18:09.520 And the church's job is to get our people's souls to heaven.

00:18:12.140 And then, of course, he was talking in a context where, you know, is this going to be a Catholic movement?

00:18:16.480 Is this going to be a Protestant movement? Of course, there are there were pagans and folk religionists involved on the outskirts of the NSDAP.

00:18:23.820 But that was the big question, Catholic versus Protestant.

00:18:26.300 Of course, you also had Orthodox within the Great Reich, you know, from 1941 onward.

00:18:31.860 So what I would say, I mean, looking at the National Socialists, they were able to create a very successful movement with differences between different confessions, which at the time was it was very divided.

00:18:45.140 You know, same as the the the Nationalists in Spain.

00:18:49.340 I mean, you had everyone from opposing monarchists, you know, the Karlists and the Alfonsoists, along with the Falangists, along with, you know, some forces of just conservatism that were kind of all tied up together, working against the common enemy.

00:19:02.480 But really, my idea of where things are going to go for here, and this is specifically in the United States, I think the future of the United States is going to be balkanization.

00:19:11.880 No matter what Donald Trump does, for instance, there's going to be a white minority in this country within the next generation.

00:19:18.480 We cannot hold on to this electorally.

00:19:20.740 The Republican Party, even if we fash it up tomorrow, will not be able to win a presidential election after 2020 or 2024 due to changing demographics in Texas of legal immigrants who then become citizens, their children, of course. 0.99

00:19:34.940 So balkanization is the future.

00:19:36.980 So for me, not to have too long of an answer, but for me, if we're looking towards balkanization and the creation of a homeland, it gives us a concrete goal to unite our movement, where the purpose is to create a home for our people, regardless of who you are.

00:19:50.740 What confession you are as a Christian, what other, if you're a folk religionist, if you're an atheist, if you're agnostic, if you believe in the principles of building a home for our people, we can all work together with that.

00:20:01.760 And then within that system, I think what would be most fair and most just is, you know, there's enough land in the United States, the idea that local communities or regions should be able to define their religious character.

00:20:13.740 That's what we had in the United States, in the colonies.

00:20:16.180 We had, like, Maryland, where I'm from, was a Catholic colony.

00:20:18.480 You had Puritan colonies, things like that.

00:20:21.360 So within the creation of a homeland, if you are of different confessions and you want to have an explicitly religious element of your community, you should be allowed to do so.

00:20:32.140 Therefore, we respect the traditions of how people want to live.

00:20:35.820 And if you want to have a Catholic area, if you want to have an Orthodox area, you want to have a pagan area, if you want to have a Roman pagan versus a Nordic pagan area, let them have that.

00:20:44.300 And that's the best way that I don't think we need to have conflict.

00:20:47.420 But if we can all understand saving our people physically, giving them a home is important.

00:20:52.780 Our children need and deserve to be able to have a homeland.

00:20:55.840 So if we can go ahead and work towards that, then in the future, we can really have an understanding and respect that our ancestors did just here in the British colonies here in the New World of having different areas or regions be defined by religious character if they so choose.

00:21:13.100 So that would kind of – I'm not trying to sidestep conflict, but I think that's the best way and it's the most realistic way we can accomplish all of our goals.

00:21:21.200 So in other words, you're not thinking of one unified movement in terms of making progress on what we want, but of like different movements, each with their own religious beliefs.

00:21:33.780 Well, no, because it all comes together with the idea that we're fighting for a specific thing, the creation of a homeland for our people here in North America.

00:21:41.780 I mean, again, you have the Spanish Civil War is a great example.

00:21:45.820 You've got all these different factions, but they all unite together behind Franco, and they understand their purpose is to remove the anarchists, the communists, and the Jews and the Freemasons from Spain to be able to make Spain great again. 0.71

00:21:58.660 And they do that.

00:21:59.560 So they have sacrifices that they all make.

00:22:02.800 They have compromises they all make, but they know what they want, and that was to free Spain, to be able to defeat the enemy, free Spain,

00:22:09.880 and be able to maintain Spain's identity.

00:22:12.360 So you had folks that weren't as Catholic as the others, but Spain was declared a Catholic state, and that was a compromise.

00:22:19.940 And then, of course, you had Franco as a leader, that he wasn't declared king, but he was a regent for the king, and so the monarchists were happy.

00:22:27.500 And there's a series of compromises that everyone works together, and everyone gets to live out their principles as they see fit, as long as it's on our spectrum.

00:22:36.280 So that's, for me, really how I see the future of being able to have, if we're pushing for a homeland, if that's what we're fighting for, we can compromise on some things,

00:22:46.040 and then really allow people to live as they see fit within that future homeland, within regions or states that could be divided up.

00:22:54.240 Because even if we were able to get 10 states of the United States, we would still be one of the largest European countries on the planet with one of the highest populations.

00:23:02.560 So we don't need to, I think, worry about running out of space, but if we know what our goal is, we become one movement.

00:23:09.500 You can have your own identity, you can have your own organization, you can have your own group within that,

00:23:14.240 but you're in one movement if you're pushing to be able to create a homeland for our people.

00:23:19.640 And then we peacefully respect one another as kinsmen, brothers and sisters, after the establishment of that homeland,

00:23:25.420 and protect people's right to worship, as long as it's a traditionally European faith, either Christianity or folk religion,

00:23:30.840 and then let people govern their local affairs as they see fit.

00:23:34.860 I think it avoids conflict, but allows everyone to stay consistent to their convictions,

00:23:39.640 and it'll really kind of bring everything together.

00:23:42.920 Wow, that's a great extended answer.

00:23:46.460 I mean, you touched on a lot of the points that we were going to bring up to you later on,

00:23:51.060 so I think maybe it'd be best to kind of transition into one or two of the topics that you so effectively proposed.

00:23:57.560 My bad, I just threw my spaghetti against the wall.

00:23:59.580 No, it's okay, you know, your spaghetti, it went through exactly the holes our strainers had set out for them.

00:24:05.520 So, I guess, hmm, I guess let's go back to the Traditionalist Workers' Party, and, you know, we'll start from there.

00:24:14.840 So, I mean, most people are familiar with you through your activities vis-a-vis the TWP, you know, and your role as the chairman.

00:24:22.120 So, I mean, how did the party get started?

00:24:25.100 How did you come to find yourself in this position as, you know, a nationalist leader?

00:24:30.360 Well, it was kind of a funny thing.

00:24:32.340 So, you know, I've been able to travel to Europe, of course.

00:24:34.720 I'm banned from the UK, so I didn't get to make that trip.

00:24:37.680 That's a badge of honor.

00:24:39.000 It is.

00:24:39.700 Theresa May, of course, now the Prime Minister.

00:24:42.000 A little mad at her.

00:24:43.840 Who wants to go to Cuck Island at this point, anyway?

00:24:46.840 Well, exactly.

00:24:47.860 I mean, hopefully Nigel Farage, if he ever becomes Prime Minister one day, he'll rescind my ban.

00:24:52.940 But, yeah, I've traveled to Europe a lot, and the first time, you know, after I graduated college, we had the white student union, we decided we needed to take it national.

00:25:00.720 And this is a process of kind of realizing scalability of projects.

00:25:04.500 And then I worked with Matt Parrott, then I worked with Thomas Bowles, and others to be able to create the Traditionalist Youth Network, to be active on college campuses.

00:25:12.860 And I went over to Europe for the first time.

00:25:14.800 And I was talking to people about what we're doing, engaging on college campuses, protesting Tim Wise and other anti-white speakers, holding meetings, having people read Ebola and different philosophers, and being able to challenge the political left on campus.

00:25:28.320 And they would nod and go, so what party are you a part of?

00:25:33.380 And I go, no, no, no, no.

00:25:34.340 It's like a social group.

00:25:35.620 Like, you know, it's a social movement.

00:25:37.760 And I explained and kind of nod and go, oh, so what party are you a part of?

00:25:41.740 And that was kind of like a process where I was like, you know, and thinking about it, because, of course, parliamentary politics are different in Europe.

00:25:49.980 I understand that.

00:25:51.100 But that really got me thinking the idea, you know, I was a registered Republican.

00:25:54.680 I was a volunteer for Ron Paul in 2012 before libertarianism just became, like, really autistic democratic policies. 0.80

00:26:02.760 Yeah.

00:26:03.000 The worst. 0.99

00:26:04.160 These guys, they're not good guys, you know, they're absolutely horrible.

00:26:09.880 But so, you know, I was a Republican and but I was really starting to think we need a political voice because even having, you know, in Europe, there are small parties that by using the political process can get the ability to get their message out there in a more successful way.

00:26:26.400 And then, of course, you can see when you're building, if there's a region where you get 2% of the vote one election cycle and 8% the next region, you know, the next election, then you say this is an area where people are listening to our message.

00:26:39.060 We can focus our area here.

00:26:40.700 We need to build a, you know, a base of support.

00:26:42.520 And, of course, in the United States, there were thousands of third-party candidates elected throughout the 20th century to local and state offices, even the socialists, the communists, the Constitution Party.

00:26:54.980 I mean, a lot of different parties.

00:26:56.700 We can actually have a precedent for them winning on the local and state level and, of course, being able to be spoilers on the federal level.

00:27:03.860 So, in Europe, you know, they have a way to be able to see when progress is being made.

00:27:09.580 And I don't think there's many metrics of success here in the United States.

00:27:13.220 You know, you do work.

00:27:14.600 This is taxing.

00:27:15.760 It's expensive.

00:27:16.780 It's dangerous.

00:27:17.900 There's a lot that goes into this.

00:27:19.240 And then year in and year out, there's not really a way to gauge if you've made that much headway.

00:27:23.720 And elections are going to do that, even going, you know, from 2% to 5% over the span of two years or four years shows that you're making progress.

00:27:32.420 And that's really encouraging, and it gives you objectives to be working for.

00:27:36.360 You're not just kind of, like, running around.

00:27:38.640 It gives you clear objectives to what you're working towards.

00:27:41.740 It focuses your community advocacy.

00:27:43.620 It brings everything together.

00:27:44.960 So, for me, it was a couple different things.

00:27:46.780 It was looking at the European examples and how successful that's been over there.

00:27:50.480 We need to have a pro-white voice here in the United States. 0.75

00:27:54.400 We can win on the local and the state level.

00:27:56.760 And it was also, like, FEC rules.

00:27:58.840 If I run for office or anyone runs as a TWP candidate, they have to put up our billboards, run our paper ads, run our radio ads, run our TV ads at the lowest rate charged in the past 12 months.

00:28:13.140 So they cannot turn you down.

00:28:15.540 They have to run it, and they have to run it for dirt cheap. 0.97

00:28:19.000 And that's just one example of many of the protections.

00:28:22.140 Also, you get additional legal protections against state and federal governments.

00:28:26.700 Not that we're a 100% legal, law-abiding movement, but it's actually funny.

00:28:31.820 The Reds had a lot of laws passed after the 1950s with the Reds' scare to be able to protect them and CPUSA and groups like that.

00:28:39.920 But there's actually a lot of legal protections that go in to being an FEC-registered political party.

00:28:46.540 So that was important as well to be able to, you know, we all know what the system wants to do.

00:28:51.240 You know, I've been to Greece.

00:28:52.060 I've been with Golden Dawn.

00:28:53.300 See what the state does there.

00:28:54.280 So any protections we can build in for our members and our movement is important.

00:28:58.280 Being able to get a better and louder voice is important.

00:29:01.140 Having a way to be able to show forward motion is important.

00:29:04.580 And we really needed a party for a long time.

00:29:07.160 So all of that kind of came together, and, you know, we sat down with a lot of different folks to be able to come up with what is our party going to be and what would define us.

00:29:16.440 And that's where the Traditionalist Worker Party comes from, the idea that we're going to be a, you know, a social nationalist party.

00:29:22.680 And, of course, you know, I go on that definition to an interview with one of Golden Dawn's members of parliament when he was asked about, you know, what Golden Dawn was.

00:29:32.400 And he said, we are socialists and we are nationalists.

00:29:38.220 But, oh, not national socialists, but social nationalists.

00:29:43.560 And that for us was –

00:29:45.260 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:29:45.520 Yeah, I know.

00:29:46.820 And I'm a national socialist.

00:29:48.040 I have no problem admitting that.

00:29:49.280 But, you know, there's a lot of diversity, again, within our movement.

00:29:52.880 But at least agreeing upon people who might not want to go that entire way but understand the principles of both socialism and nationalism, bringing it together.

00:30:02.040 You know, as Gregor Strasser said, we must take from the right nationalism without capitalism, from the left socialism without internationalism.

00:30:09.800 As long as someone's on that spectrum, that works for me.

00:30:12.640 But we decided that we needed to be able to have our own party that was explicitly anti-capitalist, anti-communist.

00:30:18.520 And it would be able to provide a vehicle for a lot of advocacy, that no matter what group you're a part of, if then you want to run and be a candidate and be engaged in the political process, then the party can help, the party can support you, and you can get a much bigger platform.

00:30:31.940 So it really is an opportunity for every white nationalist in America to be able to be more effective.

00:30:38.380 Wow. Well, that was a very edifying answer.

00:30:46.300 I mean, I think you kind of hit every single point that I was looking for you to touch upon.

00:30:52.240 So, you know, moving back kind of to the origin of this, I remember very distinctly when I first heard your name, and it was vis-a-vis the whole white student union.

00:31:01.500 I was in, I think, my last year of high school, and I remember that this controversy was blowing up on international media.

00:31:07.500 And I remember talking about it with my teachers and my principals.

00:31:11.060 And I guess the question is, you know, so that obviously was your vector of emergence into the nationalist scene, you know, as a major figure.

00:31:20.560 What persuaded you to create the white student union?

00:31:24.160 Well, so I got involved with politics with Youth for Western Civilization, founded by Kevin Deanna, a lot of amazing people.

00:31:31.620 Well, it's actually kind of a funny thing.

00:31:33.980 We got our trainings from YWC through the Leadership Institute.

00:31:37.460 That's a conservative, you know, think tank.

00:31:39.480 They do trainings on how to write press releases, how to organize events.

00:31:43.560 So, you know, YWC ended up going in a lot of different directions of white nationalists, of Tea Party types, of a whole different spectrum.

00:31:51.280 But I do appreciate YWC for organizing really kind of the beginning in many ways to kind of the foundation of the alt-right.

00:31:59.260 That doesn't so much involve me necessarily, but other thinkers, other young guys that were involved have gone on, some under pseudonyms, some under their normal names, and to do really successful things for our movement with other organizations.

00:32:12.360 So it's good stuff.

00:32:13.660 But I got involved with YWC, and, of course, we were instantly called fascists.

00:32:17.620 We were instantly called racists.

00:32:19.600 We were, you know, fighting for Western civilization.

00:32:22.160 Our symbol was the hammer of Charles Martel.

00:32:23.880 It did kind of look like a certain specific SS division's insignia.

00:32:29.600 I'm not saying that's what it was.

00:32:31.600 I'm saying it was the hammer of Charles Martel.

00:32:34.000 But, you know, so we got flack from day one when I got involved with that my sophomore year in college.

00:32:39.640 We had a chapter, and it was kind of an awakening experience, actually, because I was a Zionist.

00:32:44.920 I was raised by a family that, you know, talked about how Jews, they're just different, but God loves them, and they're God's chosen people.

00:32:53.720 I had a lot of evangelical and Baptist friends growing up.

00:32:57.340 So at the time, I was a Philo-Semite and a Zionist.

00:33:00.580 It's kind of mind-breaking and mind-boggling how it goes.

00:33:03.760 But with YWC, we actually were doing a straight pride day, and it was the Jews who organized a protest against us.

00:33:11.380 And this Jewess actually came over to our table. 1.00

00:33:13.640 We had a copy of the Bible, and she picked it up, threw it on the ground, and spit on it, and, like, knocked her to our flyers off. 0.99

00:33:20.040 And, like, that was my first moment where I was like, you fuck—you know, am I allowed to swear on this show? 0.99

00:33:25.960 Yeah, absolutely. 1.00

00:33:27.460 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:33:28.200 All right, well, that was my moment to say, you fucking Jew, you know? 1.00

00:33:30.820 And then, like, I caught myself, like, what? 1.00

00:33:32.820 You know?

00:33:34.380 And, but really, like, it's actually funny. 1.00

00:33:36.900 Like, the Jews were like, you're a fascist, you're a fascist, you're a fascist, you're a Nazi, you're a Nazi, you're a Nazi. 1.00

00:33:41.840 You're an anti-Semite, you're an anti-Semite. 1.00

00:33:43.780 And eventually I was like, no, no, I actually now am a Nazi. 1.00

00:33:48.120 I'm an anti-Semite.

00:33:49.480 So, congratulations, you've created your enemy.

00:33:52.140 Like, it's a beautiful, it's a beautiful thing.

00:33:55.000 Exactly.

00:33:55.900 That's what created me, too. 0.99

00:33:57.240 It was, you know, it was shit libs on a college campus screaming fascist at me when I didn't even know what the fuck that was. 0.99

00:34:03.680 And then I looked into it and, you know, started reading, and here I am. 0.99

00:34:08.840 Yeah, you're like, oh, no, this is the solution to all of our problems.

00:34:12.340 Like, congratulations.

00:34:13.720 Thank you, liberals.

00:34:14.840 But, yeah, so what happened is the Reds, the Black Student Union, did this Black Pride where they chalked Black Pride all over campus, you know, for Black History Month, whatever.

00:34:27.040 That's great.

00:34:27.480 I love when every people and every culture celebrates their heritage.

00:34:30.660 Wasn't mad about that, but we went out with our YWC chapter and chalked white pride, white guilt is over, and other things like that all around the campus to say, if you can do it, we can do it, too.

00:34:41.280 So the SPLC gets involved, the ADL gets involved, news crews show up at my dorm to interview me about being apparently like a neo-Nazi Klan leader overnight where we were pointing out the double standard.

00:34:53.660 And our student advisor was actually really harassed until he removed his support from the YWC chapter.

00:35:02.420 And they were calling us in the student paper, you know, YWC at Towson, also known as our white student union, you know, and, you know, resident fascists on campus and stuff like that.

00:35:13.260 So they took away our approval for a group and we kind of sat around one night and we're talking and we're like, why don't we just form a white student union?

00:35:22.820 You know, there were over 30 other student union groups for every other ethnicity, gender identity, political affiliation, whatever it was, there was that.

00:35:32.560 And actually at Towson, we, uh, if you guys, to just give you context of what I was dealing with, do you remember about a year or two ago, there was this, uh, video of the winners of like the national debate competition where it was two black women, literally, like, co-creatorly screaming?

00:35:49.680 Yes.

00:35:50.440 Yes.

00:35:51.420 It was absolutely painful.

00:35:53.660 Yeah, that was from Towson University.

00:35:55.500 Um, so that, that was my school.

00:35:57.800 So now, you know, kind of my context of, I was supposed to treat things like that, like political discourse, um, done by, done by, you know, saying human beings.

00:36:06.920 So, um, yeah, it was an exciting thing, but we kind of just decided, we were like, every other group has it.

00:36:11.360 Uh, the black student union had a picture of Nelson Mandela and a black Panther painted on their wall.

00:36:16.040 They're not hiding anything.

00:36:16.860 And again, I don't even hate them for that.

00:36:18.780 I'm not even mad about that.

00:36:19.840 Good.

00:36:20.120 Love your heritage.

00:36:20.780 That's great.

00:36:21.640 But, um, whites needed a voice. 0.98

00:36:23.860 So we decided we were going to like, they've already called us the white student union.

00:36:26.920 They already called us racist and fascist.

00:36:28.980 Let's just do it, you know?

00:36:30.340 So then we, we went ahead and we created the white student union and, you know, we did our, um, our student patrols after crime went up on our campus.

00:36:37.120 That got a lot of attention.

00:36:38.280 And it was funny.

00:36:39.980 They said that, oh, the, these Nazis, they're lying about crime.

00:36:43.340 Towson's safe.

00:36:44.060 The next year, the year after I graduate, um, when the crime statistics for the previous year were compiled, violent crime had gone up on campus.

00:36:51.980 So they actually had to petition to hire two additional police officers for Towson University.

00:36:57.520 So we actually were vindicated and proven right, um, that there was a black crime wave on campus, but, uh, it was a lot of fun. 1.00

00:37:04.240 So, yeah, I mean, basically the left created it.

00:37:07.040 I probably would have stayed in youth Western civilization.

00:37:09.040 Um, I wouldn't have been as public as an activist, but they really just pushed us and they pushed us and they pushed us and eventually just get to the point where you just push back.

00:37:18.540 And that's kind of what the white student union was for me and the folks that, um, that some of them are, you know, still involved in the traditional worker party that have been my comrades now for over half a decade, which is an amazing thing.

00:37:29.820 But really, we were created, and I think, as some of you guys mentioned, it's such a true story right now that, uh, the Jews and the left created us.

00:37:38.520 Like, they, they, they formed us and, and they pushed, and eventually you just pushed back.

00:37:42.820 So that's, that's why the WSU came about.

00:37:46.300 Yeah, it's the most triggering thing that you can tell them, too.

00:37:49.520 Uh, I'm sorry about that.

00:37:51.640 Uh, I'm back in college now, uh, even as old as I am, sadly.

00:37:56.600 Um, but it absolutely enrages them when you tell them that, you know, how, how is this happening?

00:38:04.500 Especially now with Trump's victory.

00:38:05.980 They're like, how is this happening?

00:38:07.360 I don't understand.

00:38:08.340 How can people be so racist in 2016?

00:38:10.680 And I'm like, uh, it's reaction to you.

00:38:14.580 You call us reactionary and that's, there's a grain of truth to that.

00:38:19.080 All of this is a reaction to you. 0.99

00:38:21.980 You've been telling white people to literally kill yourself, drink, bleach, go quietly into 1.00

00:38:27.260 the night and shut the fuck up and die and pay for your own disposition for 10 years. 1.00

00:38:33.040 You've been saying this blatantly out in the open and in college courses and sociology classes 1.00

00:38:37.920 and all of this.

00:38:39.180 And none of us almost practically none of this would be happening right now.

00:38:43.780 None of us would be, you know, ready to goose step down the street with an armband on right

00:38:48.920 now without you. 0.89

00:38:50.020 I mean, don't make the white kids angry, you know, don't make the white kids angry. 1.00

00:38:55.840 And you did, you, you shit on an entire generation of young white men and women. 1.00

00:39:00.940 Cause of course now, you know, white women voted majority for Trump. 1.00

00:39:03.660 So they're, uh, they're, they're traitors to the sisterhood traitors to multiculturalism. 0.99

00:39:07.220 They, they hate all of us because we're white and they pound it into your head every single 0.97

00:39:12.260 day and they tell you not to fight back. 0.87

00:39:13.960 Well, we're talking about natural law.

00:39:15.580 Natural law is that you defend yourself and you defend the people you care about.

00:39:20.300 You can only sit by the sidelines for so long, you know, and, and be emasculated before eventually

00:39:26.160 you stand up and fight back. 0.94

00:39:27.460 So, you know, thank God the Jews don't have any patience because the Jews displaced us 1.00

00:39:32.200 over 300 years. 0.97

00:39:33.260 If they had done this slowly, just like boiling a frog in water.

00:39:36.900 But the fact they, they love, they love it.

00:39:39.440 They love to rub your face in what they're doing.

00:39:42.400 They love to humiliate you. 0.95

00:39:43.720 They love to attack you. 0.99

00:39:44.980 They love to do everything they can.

00:39:46.380 And they have galvanized the response of not just white Americans, but the entire West

00:39:50.700 and the entire world.

00:39:52.020 Whether it's Rodrigo Duterte killing CIA backed drug dealers in the Philippines, whether it's

00:39:56.920 Arab national socialists like Assad fighting off the forces of Zionism in the West, or whether

00:40:02.080 it's us here, we are, the entire world is waking up to this Jewish trick and it's a beautiful 1.00

00:40:07.280 thing.

00:40:07.860 You know, the, the, the, the future really does belong to us because they pushed us so

00:40:12.800 far.

00:40:13.300 Our reaction is not just going to fix the problem.

00:40:15.720 It's going to fix it for good.

00:40:17.080 Yeah, I mean, these people, they, they, they, they, they're not rational. 0.81

00:40:21.800 They just hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate. 0.58

00:40:23.720 And they call us the haters, of course.

00:40:25.320 You know, it's interesting.

00:40:25.900 And I, I was, I was talking, I was talking once with a Swedish atheist that was in my

00:40:31.780 class.

00:40:32.080 Well, he actually looked a bit Jewish.

00:40:33.680 Now when I think about that, and he hated everything that was natural.

00:40:38.080 You could literally feel the hate. 0.99

00:40:39.800 The, the hate was like oozing in the astral world or some shit. 0.99

00:40:42.500 You could literally feel it. 0.98

00:40:44.360 And it's, it's just a saying.

00:40:46.200 They hate everything.

00:40:47.240 There's no reason for the hate.

00:40:48.800 They just hate it.

00:40:49.620 Hate, hate, hate.

00:40:50.300 So they want to burn it all up.

00:40:52.340 Yeah. 0.88

00:40:52.620 I mean, my, my story you could say is even more extreme because I began to hate the Jews 1.00

00:40:58.680 long before I became a fascist or even right wing at all. 0.57

00:41:03.280 I was a liberal anti-Semite because, um, basically I saw that the Jews were so hateful against white 1.00

00:41:10.680 people and like all other people.

00:41:12.080 And it's like, well, these Jews, they're saying that they promote, you know, tolerance 0.99

00:41:16.820 and everything, but they're the most hateful people in the world. 0.99

00:41:18.900 And so I began to hate them for liberal reasons.

00:41:21.560 And obviously that like predisposed me to be open to a nationalist ideas, of course.

00:41:28.080 So again, they, they, they are the architects of their own demise.

00:41:32.760 Yeah.

00:41:34.060 Yeah.

00:41:34.540 It turns out to, uh, you, as it turns out, you can't, uh, indoctrinate away someone's

00:41:40.000 self-preservation instincts.

00:41:42.900 Not every entity.

00:41:44.620 That's really good.

00:41:45.440 I'm stealing that by the way, for future reference.

00:41:47.720 That's, that's going to be a speech.

00:41:49.500 Yeah.

00:41:50.380 Well, yeah, exactly.

00:41:52.160 But no, this, um, epiphany had come to me when I was reflecting on the nature of demons.

00:41:56.300 I was like, well, why, if they're so smart, these fallen angelic spirits, why do they seem 1.00

00:42:01.320 to be so stupid? 1.00

00:42:02.080 And then I realized, well, that's just the nature of sinfulness. 1.00

00:42:05.180 They can't help themselves.

00:42:07.200 You know, they, they cannot stop it.

00:42:09.000 You know, it's in their interest.

00:42:11.220 It's in their interest to just shut up, to not be prideful, to not be arrogant. 0.63

00:42:15.800 But you know, these, these demons and their agents, they cannot help themselves.

00:42:19.920 Well, and that's the thing to understand, you know, Adolf Hitler, um, you know, talking

00:42:23.580 about international Jewry, refer to it in multiple speeches as a satanic power. 0.57

00:42:29.860 Um, and it's so true.

00:42:31.100 I mean, you talk, you look at Franco, uh, you look at any nationalist leader that talks

00:42:35.120 about this, even father Coughlin here in the United States talking about the Jewish control

00:42:39.400 of our finance system and, um, you know, talking about how they hate, I mean, going back all

00:42:44.720 the way to the 1930s with that, but, uh, they really are the embodiment of a satanic power.

00:42:51.240 I don't know how else to, to, to describe them, uh, because everything they do is trying to destroy

00:42:58.080 the natural order.

00:42:59.480 It's trying to destroy what God has created, whether it's the nations, whether it's gender, 1.00

00:43:03.380 whether it's the unborn, no, whether it's the environment with the capitalist policies that

00:43:07.660 they promote.

00:43:08.180 So every single thing the organized Jewish community does is just absolutely the counterpoint to 1.00

00:43:15.520 what is good and wholesome in the world that I don't think there's anything else we can

00:43:18.880 describe them as, as, uh, agents of Satan.

00:43:21.420 And I know that sounds like over the top.

00:43:23.120 Um, at this point, exactly, this point exactly is what we've been trying to reconstitute and

00:43:29.140 reclaim with Mysterium.

00:43:30.060 And I mean, we've said it a couple of times where we're not being hyperbolic.

00:43:34.040 We're, we're not, you know, being flabbergasted evangelical preachers.

00:43:37.980 We're using this term in a very specific technical sense.

00:43:41.620 These people are Luciferian.

00:43:43.860 They're agents of Satan.

00:43:46.100 And they are the synagogue of Satan described in the book of Revelation.

00:43:49.900 I mean, and if you've read the book of Revelation, I think it's for,

00:43:53.120 for 12 or for 20, and you'll know Christ promises as well, that he will make them bow down before

00:43:58.060 our feet and know how much that he has loved us.

00:44:01.280 Yeah.

00:44:01.880 Same with the Freemasons.

00:44:03.360 And a thing that, that I found a bit interesting with the Freemasons is that they, they have

00:44:07.300 this mythology of the temple of Solomon, right?

00:44:10.260 But what happened to Solomon and then, well, he started to worship demons.

00:44:14.300 So the only temple the masons are building is the temple of Satan, the, the synagogue of 0.97

00:44:19.340 Satan.

00:44:19.560 That's what the masons are building.

00:44:20.840 That is what the third temple will be.

00:44:22.300 So, uh, the church fathers say now, I think, uh, kind of moving on to our next question.

00:44:29.720 So Matt, like what's, uh, what's your take on the Trump victory?

00:44:32.500 I mean, uh, I know just as a base, you know, build up here, obviously he's not Adolf Hitler

00:44:39.180 as much as the meme seemed to have convinced some of our, uh, our comrades and our allies

00:44:45.460 that he is indeed Adolf Hitler.

00:44:46.800 We know that he is not, but you know, what opportunities do you think he affords us?

00:44:51.820 But conversely, what do you think are the dangers of, uh, the current situation?

00:44:56.100 And also, do you think it would have been better in terms of our movement if Clinton

00:44:59.080 had won?

00:45:01.020 Well, you know, uh, going to the third point first, there, there, there was a discussion

00:45:05.460 I saw on one of my Facebook friends' walls about, you know, uh, the, the idea of wanting

00:45:09.520 things to get worse, uh, quicker, just to be able to get things out of the way.

00:45:13.560 And, you know, I mean, on the one hand possibly, but the other hand, you know, uh, I don't

00:45:19.260 think so.

00:45:19.800 You know, I'm a father, uh, I've got a 16, 16 month old son.

00:45:24.120 I've got another one on the way, you know, I'm married, I've got a family and, um, you

00:45:28.380 know, I care about my children's future.

00:45:30.360 That's why I'm doing this.

00:45:32.260 I was a nationalist before I had a family, of course, but the first time I saw my son on

00:45:38.220 an ultrasound, the first time I helped him, both those moments redefined for me what this

00:45:42.780 was.

00:45:43.320 So the idea of treating things like a Turner Diaries style, um, you know, game, it's not

00:45:49.880 a game, you know, if this breaks into war or things like that, if it happens and that's

00:45:54.400 God's will, then let's fight on the barricades. 0.98

00:45:56.420 But, you know, the idea of just having things be as bad as humanly possible, just to try

00:46:00.620 and force things into a fight, I don't think necessarily is, um, is a good thing.

00:46:05.440 And, you know, uh, some, some people say, you know, it's because I have family and kids

00:46:09.200 and all revolutionaries shouldn't have families and kids.

00:46:11.320 So the revolution is one, but I think this is a multi-generational struggle because we

00:46:15.700 need to be preparing the next generation to carry on this fight because this is an eternal

00:46:20.300 struggle against, against Satan.

00:46:22.120 This is against evil that everything they're promoting.

00:46:24.600 There's no new heresy under the sun and there's no new tactic that Jews have under the sun. 0.97

00:46:29.000 Um, they're repeating the same playbook over and over and over again.

00:46:32.020 So we always, the revolution never ends and that revolutionary mindset, I think, needs

00:46:36.560 to define our movement, that there is no point of victory.

00:46:40.520 You know, we, we keep fighting forever because we always have to keep fighting.

00:46:44.100 If we get complacent, we fall apart.

00:46:45.980 Um, so onto the question of Donald Trump, I think he's opened up a lot of political space

00:46:52.180 for us, but what worries me is, um, so, so look at what Ron Paul did.

00:46:57.480 Ron Paul, 2008, 2012, you know, I was a volunteer.

00:47:01.160 He opened up political space for the libertarian movement.

00:47:04.920 He, he worked for decades, opened this political space and Gary Johnson came in and absolutely 1.00

00:47:10.760 shit the bed, like absolutely rolled around in it, like fell apart, shit the bed. 0.95

00:47:18.000 Um, so, so just because you've got political space opened up, if you don't take advantage 0.99

00:47:23.500 of that, if you don't fill that political space, then you really, you really done a disservice

00:47:29.320 to your movement.

00:47:30.200 Um, and you kind of go back and have to try again.

00:47:33.220 So Donald Trump has created political space for us.

00:47:37.680 What the opportunity is, is for us to be able to fill that space with a perspective of real

00:47:43.040 nationalism.

00:47:43.740 It's like on Amazon, when you buy something, if you like civic nationalism, you might also

00:47:49.080 like ethno-nationalism and then, you know, people, people add us to the cart.

00:47:54.120 Um, you know, it costs $14.88 free shipping and it's, it's the best.

00:47:59.580 So that's a very, uh, that's a very Anglo way of describing it.

00:48:06.000 Thank you.

00:48:07.280 The Anglos are our greatest allies there.

00:48:09.660 You know, I, Spengler, Oswald Spengler red-pilled me on the, uh, Anglo problem. 0.96

00:48:17.980 And I, I'm confident. 0.97

00:48:19.120 Spare me your Nordicist butt hurt. 1.00

00:48:20.380 No, no, I, I'm confident in saying that only the Danes beat the Anglos. 0.99

00:48:25.920 Only the Danes.

00:48:27.080 Well, if we're talking about Anglos, we mean the aquatic Jew, right? 1.00

00:48:30.660 Yes, that, uh, the subterranean race that crawled onto land, you know, but, um, Hey, uh, one 1.00

00:48:41.520 of our aircraft carriers could conquer your country.

00:48:44.360 Okay.

00:48:44.960 One of them.

00:48:46.640 Not saying that's, Hey, just, just putting that out there.

00:48:50.060 Whatever.

00:48:51.360 America.

00:48:51.800 But, uh, but yeah, on Donald Trump, um, I mean, the biggest thing is he's not one of

00:48:57.480 us.

00:48:57.760 And what I do fear on the other hand is, um, is he's cleaning the house, hopefully with

00:49:03.460 the left.

00:49:04.380 Um, he might crack down on our movement in a way, um, that would kind of be unforeseen,

00:49:09.540 but I don't want to take it off the table, uh, to prove he's not a racist. 0.89

00:49:12.720 Remember Democrats are the real racists.

00:49:14.480 Um, and I think especially if we keep pushing, um, if we keep pushing our association with

00:49:20.480 Trump, now that the election is over, um, just given his New Yorker style, he might try

00:49:26.280 and slap us down. 0.92

00:49:27.160 Um, and that's something to be careful of, I really think.

00:49:29.560 Well, he's probably, he's probably, you're jealous of his name brand.

00:49:32.220 I mean, and I think that there's, there's two things here, um, that I think are interesting.

00:49:37.560 Number one, your, uh, insight vis-a-vis Ron Paul and Gary Johnson, I think is very, uh,

00:49:42.880 astute.

00:49:43.300 And what somebody else suggested might've been Nat or some other fellow on the last

00:49:47.300 podcast we did is that, well, Donald Trump, uh, if we look at what happened with Ron Paul,

00:49:51.100 the Ron Paul disappointment, um, that radicalized a lot of people.

00:49:54.220 I mean, uh, and so if, if Donald Trump himself is a disappointment or a lackluster and people

00:50:00.700 kind of build them up to Adolf Hitler and he's realized that, well, he's not, you know,

00:50:04.140 that's only going to perhaps serve to radicalize them further than a Hillary victory might have 1.00

00:50:08.140 done.

00:50:09.320 Absolutely.

00:50:10.160 I've said this before.

00:50:11.240 I think that, uh, you know, the Republican party and Donald Trump right now, they have,

00:50:16.500 uh, almost unprecedented power, a monopoly of political power in the United States government.

00:50:22.760 And if they squander this and they do nothing and they let Michael Moore and Bill Maher tell

00:50:28.720 them what to do and they cave to all this shaming, then that, I think that will be the

00:50:35.900 ultimate teaching moment for these people that, you know, think that the electoral process and

00:50:42.760 the, you know, uh, system is open to them.

00:50:45.820 Uh, I think they're going to find that, you know, look, it doesn't, it doesn't matter.

00:50:50.680 You're, you're going to have to do this on the street with boots on the ground.

00:50:55.300 And that's the only avenue to, you know, preservation of our people and victory.

00:51:02.340 Well, we, we, we can't rely upon the system.

00:51:04.740 I mean, at the end of the day, the system is opposed to us and America, when America becomes,

00:51:09.240 you know, electorally impossible for whites to manifest our vision of America for ourselves

00:51:15.700 and our children, I think that's going to radicalize a lot of people.

00:51:18.740 So Donald Trump might be opening up this position for us.

00:51:22.260 Of course, even if he doesn't, um, you know, do any of his campaign promises and he, you

00:51:28.240 know, he's not a Hillary Clinton.

00:51:29.300 We still have time to be able to, to stockpile and not face hate speech laws like they have

00:51:34.140 in Europe.

00:51:34.740 Uh, that provides us an opportunity, but demographically, the time is coming very, very

00:51:39.200 soon where I think there's going to be this moment where we're really in the minds of

00:51:43.520 millions of white Americans.

00:51:45.260 They realize that minority outreach for the Republicans doesn't work, that it's over.

00:51:50.860 And that if they go ahead and continue this policy, uh, they are going to have no voice

00:51:56.480 at the table that the multicultural coalition dwarfs anything they can do. 0.88

00:52:00.800 They can never win another election.

00:52:02.220 America didn't, you know, it has left them behind.

00:52:05.120 They didn't leave America.

00:52:06.300 America left them.

00:52:07.560 And this is all due to changing demographics.

00:52:09.680 And that when you realize there's no hope, you get your back into a wall.

00:52:14.360 And I think that's going to instantly awaken people.

00:52:16.300 So I think we need to be building the infrastructure right now.

00:52:19.100 This is what Trump is for years, possibly eight.

00:52:21.900 I think it's going to be four.

00:52:23.200 Um, but you know, I can make bets now and we'll, we'll, we'll cash them in four years

00:52:27.140 from now.

00:52:27.560 But if we've got four years of not having, you know, Hillary Clinton supported like hate

00:52:32.620 speech laws, um, or gun confiscation, we need to use this time to be able to organize, mobilize

00:52:38.460 and build infrastructure.

00:52:39.540 Cause right now our movement, if a million white people tomorrow said, give me a t-shirt,

00:52:44.880 I want to join a white nationalist group.

00:52:47.540 None of our groups could do that.

00:52:49.780 None of our groups put together could outfit, organize and provide the infrastructure for even

00:52:54.480 a million people, let alone over 150 million whites currently in America.

00:52:59.260 So that for me, where I see, I want to kind of, you know, in 2018, we're going to be running

00:53:04.100 candidates for TWP, very important, but like in early April next year in Kentucky, we're

00:53:10.280 going to be holding a weekend conference of practical politics, training seminars on how

00:53:15.640 to organize local communities, help with charity events, things like that.

00:53:19.440 We need to build the infrastructure now with the political space that Trump has opened

00:53:23.540 up, build the political infrastructure that when the establishment Republicans, when

00:53:29.240 the establishment politics, when even the belief in America collapses, we then have

00:53:33.800 enough people and enough infrastructure to take those awakened folks and be able to turn

00:53:38.600 them into a political force.

00:53:39.820 So I think we need to spend the next four years building.

00:53:42.680 We don't rest on our laurels.

00:53:44.140 Uh, we don't just mock the left as hilarious as that is.

00:53:46.640 Their tears give me sustenance.

00:53:48.000 I love it, but, uh, we need to be building this infrastructure, um, to be able to prepare

00:53:53.720 for the inevitability of white America realizing America isn't their country anymore.

00:54:01.640 I think that's extremely, extremely well stated.

00:54:04.420 Um, and I mean, I know that Zyger released a podcast.

00:54:07.860 I mean, this is the plan, which essentially says almost exactly what you just said.

00:54:12.700 Yes, yes, that's what, I mean, I pimp that.

00:54:15.900 I still, to this day, I mean, he, he put that product, uh, podcast out, uh, some time ago,

00:54:20.740 but I still pimp it to this day because it's, it's a realistic, uh, practical approach to

00:54:28.100 what we must do to survive. 0.97

00:54:30.980 And, um, yeah, it doesn't involve any LARPy bat shit fantasies of, you know, Turner Diaries 0.95

00:54:41.660 type stuff or anything like that, but it is absolutely incredibly doable. 0.51

00:54:48.060 Yeah.

00:54:48.520 Thank you.

00:54:48.920 Um, I think there's a lot that we can do if, um, we stop thinking of power as institutions,

00:54:59.420 but rather as like real power, which is like a Matthew said, like, um, infrastructure, resources,

00:55:08.600 um, human capital and things like that, what, what, if we focus on building that, that'll

00:55:14.720 give us a lot more, um, influence than if we say, oh, we, we need to, um, you know, have

00:55:20.780 people in political positions, uh, in many ways, democratic political positions are, um,

00:55:27.640 a way for people with power to gain, you know, office, but not a way for people without power

00:55:33.580 to gain power.

00:55:35.260 So I think what you're doing, Matt is great because you're building a base, you're building

00:55:39.540 infrastructure.

00:55:40.820 And then after that's done, then you can gain offices and, um, you know, exert that power

00:55:45.720 in, in real life.

00:55:46.880 I think, uh, that's, uh, what we need to do.

00:55:50.180 Well, thank you.

00:55:51.120 I really appreciate that.

00:55:52.120 And, you know, I really have to thank my European comrades for when I go over there learning

00:55:56.400 what, what, what they've already found out, what's taken decades of trial and error and

00:56:00.980 where our movement needs to go.

00:56:02.200 Europe is light years before us, you know, but of course they shifted to the left about

00:56:06.900 a decade before we did.

00:56:08.080 So we're playing catch up right now, but I really think we can learn from the European 1.00

00:56:11.940 model on how to be engaged with local communities, how we can build power in movements like Golden

00:56:16.880 Dawn going from getting 0.2% of the vote in elections only a couple of years ago to the

00:56:23.040 third large, I mean, I've been in the parliament with Golden Dawn and seen their offices.

00:56:27.260 They've got the third largest amount of offices in the Greek parliament because they're the

00:56:32.060 third largest political party.

00:56:33.480 And right now they're pulling second most popular.

00:56:36.720 So we're thinking if you are steadfast in your dedication to these principles, if people

00:56:41.180 know you, people trust you when that moment opens and you've got the Ron Paul Gary Johnson

00:56:46.160 moment, if you seize the day, you can go from being politically irrelevant, but having

00:56:51.240 that strong infrastructure and high trust within your community to being a very powerful

00:56:55.840 political force.

00:56:56.740 So we can learn from the Europeans, but we need to be focused in that way. 0.99

00:57:00.780 We need to be focused in that model because like, I mean, like, like you said, power comes

00:57:05.080 from the people, power comes from our ability to be able to mobilize them.

00:57:08.400 And human capital is more important than staffer positions on the Hill or even a representative

00:57:12.680 position.

00:57:13.400 If we can field the people, if we can help the people, if there's a disaster, we're there

00:57:17.960 before the government is.

00:57:19.080 If when people are out of work, we can help them.

00:57:21.640 If your grandma is sick and can't rake her leaves, we're there to rake your leaves.

00:57:26.120 That means that we've got the hearts and the minds of our people.

00:57:29.120 We've got the trust.

00:57:30.260 And that makes us more powerful because that's when the system loses credibility.

00:57:34.780 And if we can fill the needs that either the system is unable or unwilling to do, people

00:57:39.580 will trust us.

00:57:40.620 People will join us.

00:57:41.620 And then we can use that to translate that into real power like you were talking about.

00:57:46.740 Yes, exactly.

00:57:47.420 You're basically cooking the government.

00:57:49.400 You're doing what they can't.

00:57:51.880 And as things get worse, they'll be able to do less and less as the, you know, you might

00:57:57.260 get inflation and things like that.

00:57:59.080 And they might not be able to pay for all these social services anymore.

00:58:02.720 And like that, if once that happens, we're prepared, then, you know, the victory will be

00:58:09.900 within reach.

00:58:11.980 Right.

00:58:13.180 If I may, I mean, you talk about the positions that we need to be filling.

00:58:17.580 Uh, uh, this is, this is not exactly glamorous, but this is exactly what we need to be doing

00:58:24.880 to shut these people out of our communities. 0.59

00:58:27.820 I mean, little business ownerships like, uh, convenience stores, laundromats, hotels, liquor

00:58:35.740 stores, these, these sorts of things. 0.88

00:58:37.520 This is how these non-whites come into our communities and take over these businesses, all 1.00

00:58:43.100 of these niches, and they hire each other and only each other, and they take over communities. 0.90

00:58:50.080 We can do this.

00:58:51.180 Look, if we occupy these positions, look, if white people, I mean, look, would you, would 1.00

00:58:57.420 you rather be, would you rather drive a forklift in a fucking warehouse or would you rather 0.99

00:59:02.300 own your own business like a, uh, you know, convenience store or a laundromat or something 0.99

00:59:07.420 like that? 0.98

00:59:07.940 I mean, hey, uh, if we take these niches away from these non-whites, these invaders, 1.00

00:59:14.920 uh, they don't have a landing pad to, you know, set up and hire their, you know, uh, 25 fucking 0.99

00:59:23.040 cousins from Vietnam. 0.97

00:59:25.100 Speaking of that, I, uh, I've actually heard an example of when that thing actually happened

00:59:30.320 in America from another American.

00:59:31.740 Um, it was about how, uh, he, he, this person lived in a, um, a town and then the Jews stopped

00:59:40.520 moving in more and more and more Jews. 0.76

00:59:43.120 Uh, the Jews elected themselves to the city, uh, city government, the city board or whatever

00:59:47.680 you call it in America.

00:59:48.940 And from there they started to tax the Goy and build up special Jewish schools. 0.93

00:59:53.680 They bought, you know, the Jewish, uh, the companies made them Jewish and all that stuff.

00:59:57.980 So the Jews basically just took over the town and taxed the Goy and lived out of welfare. 1.00

01:00:05.060 Well, I mean, and you look at opportunities that we have, you know, just as an example

01:00:09.360 of what we're doing, um, we actually have property now.

01:00:12.520 Um, it's not very much, two acres, but, uh, Jason Augustus, um, who is the, the singer of

01:00:18.080 14 Sacred Words, he's also the head propagandist of the party, actually, um, now came down from

01:00:23.580 New York, left his corporate job, um, because he hated living in New York.

01:00:27.000 And, uh, even if you're getting a good wage there, you're taxed, you know, more, more

01:00:30.940 than you, uh, you even know.

01:00:32.520 And actually he can make more money working here at one of the local companies for a third

01:00:37.080 of the money and have more take-home pay than, um, than he actually did working in a corporate

01:00:40.820 job.

01:00:41.480 But, um, he decided, Hey, I want to come and be part of a community and build that.

01:00:46.020 And, uh, we've got another family, uh, a long-term party member, uh, and his, uh, fiance,

01:00:51.540 who is pregnant, coming down, uh, to be able to grow.

01:00:54.740 And then just being able to, within one small town, if we can get even a few comrades over

01:00:59.220 the span of the next six to 12 months, then what that means is politically, we have more

01:01:04.400 infrastructure than the Democrats and the Republicans.

01:01:06.280 There's no local infrastructure politically.

01:01:09.060 So even a few people can be able to change this.

01:01:11.640 And this is not limited to here in Southern Indiana.

01:01:14.240 This could be done anywhere in the United States to get people to come together in the same

01:01:18.760 region, to be able to concentrate our forces, support one another as a community, and then

01:01:23.720 be able to gain political power, just as immigrant communities already have.

01:01:26.840 We're already here, you know, as, uh, as, you know, from the movie, uh, uh, Red Dawn, you

01:01:31.720 know, talking about why you fight.

01:01:33.100 It's because we live here, you know, this is our land.

01:01:36.280 So if the immigrant communities can do it, we sure as heck can, if we can concentrate our 1.00

01:01:39.820 numbers, concentrate our influence and start winning.

01:01:42.540 If we can just win, if we won one city council seat for an explicit white nationalist, that

01:01:48.640 would be an international news story that imagine when the second one happens and the

01:01:52.200 third one and the 10th one and the school board member and the water board member and

01:01:56.360 things like that.

01:01:57.060 If we can build in that way to build communities where we're self-reliant, where we care for

01:02:01.340 one another, where we concentrate our forces and then start winning, I think that'll revolutionize

01:02:05.960 the public understanding of white nationalism in the United States.

01:02:10.500 I've had a thought about tactics, which is, um, related to what you're doing.

01:02:14.540 And I was wondering if you had thought of this, probably you did, but I think it's

01:02:18.040 interesting to put it out there.

01:02:19.600 Have you ever thought about, um, having a, like a nonprofit organization, which under the

01:02:25.780 guise of a church and get like tax-free status and be able to, um, you know, enact, um, charitable,

01:02:33.000 uh, events and, um, you know, own land and property and, uh, things like that.

01:02:41.520 Because, um, you know, obviously as an organization, you don't want to pay taxes to the system.

01:02:46.180 That's obviously a good priority and, um, being able to, you know, justify all these donations

01:02:53.360 and, um, in terms of finance and tactics, I think it, a lot of what we're doing as a

01:02:59.800 nationalist organization, if we're doing a golden dawn style process, a lot of that can

01:03:06.200 come under the hospices of a, um, church-based charitable organization.

01:03:11.300 What do you think about that?

01:03:13.740 Well, exactly.

01:03:14.560 Actually, uh, if you go to www.nfunity.org, uh, we decided that movement unity within the

01:03:21.840 United States is so important because we've got different organizations that for a long

01:03:26.180 time, we've actually talked about unity, but not had clear objectives, not had a clear

01:03:31.400 mission of what we're going forward.

01:03:32.620 So, uh, there were organizations that came together earlier this year with the principle

01:03:38.040 of forming an alliance and they invited us to participate.

01:03:41.100 And I said, first of all, um, I think a name change, symbol change was going to be important

01:03:45.220 for what it originally was.

01:03:46.500 But third of all, getting a specific set of principles and ideology, which actually is fighting

01:03:53.320 for the creation of an ethnostate, rejects racial supremacism, uh, rejects capitalism, all

01:03:58.380 these things coming together.

01:03:59.300 Um, so we just actually launched the website, very exciting, uh, right now we have close

01:04:03.940 to 20 groups involved in this and more getting on board, uh, every single day, which is great.

01:04:09.040 And, uh, the national spread is actually being incorporated as not-for-profit educational

01:04:13.800 organization, because that's what it is.

01:04:15.780 We're going to be holding the first conference, which is going to be based on education, on political

01:04:20.380 engagement.

01:04:21.200 Um, but then also doing the same weekend, a charity event in probably going to be Beattyville,

01:04:26.640 Kentucky, which is an East Kentuckian coal country or somewhere near there.

01:04:30.780 So, uh, yeah, actually, um, not, not to steal your thunder from the question, but, uh, that

01:04:34.780 is actually already underway.

01:04:36.720 So hold on, are you telling me you're not a white supremacist?

01:04:41.140 Yeah, you know, um, I know it's, it's crazy, but I actually just love my extended family

01:04:47.620 and want us to survive.

01:04:48.600 It's a really, it's a wacky thing. 0.99

01:04:50.340 Now I do hate the Jews. 1.00

01:04:52.100 Um, you know, that's like, you know, you know, people always ask like, you don't hate 0.91

01:04:56.220 anybody.

01:04:57.100 Uh, no, I don't hate black folks. 0.98

01:04:58.860 Don't hate Chicanos. 0.99

01:05:00.020 Don't hate Asians. 0.83

01:05:00.900 Don't hate any other group of people.

01:05:02.680 We all deserve our own homeland, own self-determination.

01:05:05.720 Let's make this world great again and peaceful for nationalist principles. 0.99

01:05:09.360 But I really, really hate the Jews. 1.00

01:05:13.560 Well, yeah. 0.95

01:05:14.540 I mean, uh, see the thing is, uh, Matt, you know, because you're not willing to liquidate

01:05:18.480 every single non-white on the planet, I don't think you're a serious national socialist. 0.98

01:05:22.540 No, I, I, I, I'm a cuck. 0.97

01:05:24.600 That's, uh, that's just the Lord's truth right there.

01:05:26.900 Um, I, I, I truly, uh, I, I truly just cannot, cannot, uh, can't be part of this movement 0.95

01:05:32.680 if I don't want to kill every non-white on the planet and, and, you know, make the Turner 1.00

01:05:36.620 Diaries my, uh, my gospel. 0.99

01:05:39.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:05:40.620 Come on, dude.

01:05:43.380 You're telling me you don't want to pour white phosphorus on the entirety of the African 1.00

01:05:47.900 continent?

01:05:48.540 Come on, dude.

01:05:52.560 That's true.

01:05:54.600 Well, well, we'll think, we'll think on that, um, you think on that and a matter of joke

01:05:58.860 mode for whatever, uh, whatever Jew or leftist is going to, uh, to do the transcription of

01:06:03.420 this.

01:06:03.860 But, um, remember the appos in Australia were not considered people and not considered sub 0.98

01:06:09.960 people.

01:06:10.340 They, they, they weren't discriminated against.

01:06:12.560 They were just considered part of the flora and fauna of Australia until like the 1950s.

01:06:17.900 So with, with the Africa thing, you know, with that as an environmentalist, which, which

01:06:22.100 I am, and I know all of us as national socialists are, um, yeah, you wouldn't want to do that

01:06:26.360 just simply, uh, you don't want to destroy the flora and the fauna of the, uh, of the

01:06:29.920 continent.

01:06:30.640 That's true.

01:06:32.120 That's true.

01:06:33.540 Yeah, no, and it's, uh, it's funny.

01:06:35.100 I mean, we didn't ask this question directly, but I remember, uh, very specifically when I 0.83

01:06:39.360 was, before I was banned from the TRS forums, there was a, an infamous shit poster, uh, a Wyatt 0.92

01:06:44.680 man, probably some of our listeners are familiar with him. 0.96

01:06:47.080 I, if I ever find out what basement he's living in, I swear I'm going to drag it out in the

01:06:52.540 daylight and he will turn into dust.

01:06:54.740 Oh, so you already know.

01:06:56.540 And I mean, I remember, I remember, you know, I remember when I was first seeing, you know, 0.99

01:07:01.200 his, his anti-Matthew Heibach threads and I'm like, this motherfucker, you know, he's 0.99

01:07:07.240 literally, you know, literally a neat who lives, you know, in a basement, no job, you 0.99

01:07:12.280 know, nothing.

01:07:13.360 Isn't he like 27 as well?

01:07:15.920 And sources, I still have, I've, you know, I've still got, you know, grapevines.

01:07:21.560 Uh, he's morbidly obese.

01:07:25.300 And 27 years old and lives with his mother.

01:07:29.920 Wow.

01:07:30.320 So yeah.

01:07:32.000 And I remember just the, the, the deep outrage that I felt, uh, you know, at the, at his

01:07:37.780 criticisms of you, Matt.

01:07:38.880 And it was just, it was like, uh, I don't even think we need to go into it. 0.98

01:07:42.580 It's fucking manifestly absurd. 0.89

01:07:44.540 Well, I mean, well, and let's be frank. 0.98

01:07:46.720 I think I have enough self-awareness like, uh, this winter actually.

01:07:50.280 Um, so I got a gym membership, which actually some of our local comrades are involved with

01:07:54.540 like, I should get more fit as a national socialist.

01:07:57.500 Physical fitness is the embodiment of the principles that we believe in and live by.

01:08:01.540 So like critique Heimbach like needs to lose weight.

01:08:04.860 Got it.

01:08:05.340 Totally right. 1.00

01:08:06.220 The other ones like Heimbach is a jackass. 0.99

01:08:08.960 Like I, you know, what I say to anyone is lead, follow, or get out of the way or cooperate. 0.99

01:08:14.740 Like let's be teammates and work together.

01:08:16.440 But, um, you know, it's amazing guys like a white man and others make a different group. 0.97

01:08:22.200 If I'm such a jackass, if I just am, in just screwing up so much, don't know what I'm doing, 0.98

01:08:28.360 absolutely retarded and ice picks in my forehead, like do better. 1.00

01:08:32.660 Like if I'm such a moron, do better. 1.00

01:08:34.580 And that's great. 0.99

01:08:35.500 If, if there is a party that pops up tomorrow, a group that gets a million white people involved

01:08:40.860 in the streets, great.

01:08:42.260 I will shut down, admit I was wrong.

01:08:44.280 Go get involved with that party. 0.63

01:08:45.380 I don't think I'm that too egotistical to, uh, to avoid that.

01:08:48.560 But what bothers me about this system is the right never retrieves its wounded.

01:08:53.920 If someone makes a mistake, which I admit I've made plenty because there was no training

01:08:58.880 seminar on how to engage the media or how to do this.

01:09:01.720 This is all self-taught.

01:09:03.160 And I know you guys have gone through the same process that all of this is self-taught.

01:09:07.000 We all make mistakes, but the right never retrieves its wounded. 0.62

01:09:10.660 We mock them.

01:09:11.520 We leave them out on the field.

01:09:12.680 And then if they, they limp back to our lines, we, uh, we yell at them for, uh, for getting

01:09:17.180 shot in the first place.

01:09:18.220 You know, it's this changing this culture of not attacking to the right of redefining

01:09:24.140 how we educate young people who are involved to be more professional and effective.

01:09:28.680 Uh, we can't, we can't sit and have a purity spiral or be these elitists and just look down

01:09:34.640 on people.

01:09:35.280 We need to work with them and make them better.

01:09:37.400 If they're willing to get better, then that's a great opportunity.

01:09:40.700 And I think a white man on TRS who, again, if you're listening, I hate you, uh, just

01:09:46.900 not even because you're insults on me, just because of the constant infighting with every 0.61

01:09:51.020 other person I've ever seen who does anything public outside of their own home.

01:09:55.560 That's what bothers me.

01:09:56.880 Like I, people call me names all the time.

01:09:59.260 Not a big deal, but we need to redefine the culture of the right here in the United States

01:10:03.640 of picking up where we're taking care of them. 0.96

01:10:05.820 Let's not overstate the relevance of this fucking, you know, Lolicon avatar. 0.99

01:10:12.420 I mean, like, come on, who the fuck is this guy? 0.99

01:10:16.060 It's not Lolicon, okay? 0.99

01:10:17.620 The anime question is real.

01:10:19.140 Okay, please?

01:10:20.420 I mean, seriously, let's not.

01:10:22.400 You're right.

01:10:23.220 You're right.

01:10:25.040 You're right.

01:10:25.720 100% right.

01:10:26.480 I mean, hold on, hold on, because it's like, I mean, it was totally a white man's group 0.99

01:10:31.760 and friends that beat the fuck out of 300 commies in California, right? 0.98

01:10:36.200 I mean, because that, you know, totally, that's, come on, dude.

01:10:41.060 No, definitely.

01:10:42.200 But Matt, um, I do, I do have, um, criticisms that I hear of you that are much more, um, well,

01:10:49.160 good spirited in a sense, uh, and it's around the, the, the theme of propaganda.

01:10:54.180 So maybe we can move a little bit towards that, but I'm interested in knowing what you

01:10:58.960 think about that.

01:11:00.200 Um, I think one of the most like, uh, significant criticisms is around the aesthetics and the

01:11:07.200 name of the traditional workers party, uh, specifically like the, the concept of worker.

01:11:12.300 Uh, do you, like people say, well, people today, they don't identify as workers.

01:11:18.940 That's kind of a old concept.

01:11:22.220 Um, today people kind of are, they don't really have class consciousness and things like that,

01:11:28.300 especially the youth.

01:11:29.460 So do you think like, where does the name traditional workers party come from?

01:11:33.740 And do you think that that's the most appropriate way to, um, kind of speak to people and, uh,

01:11:39.540 get them to identify with your movement?

01:11:42.540 Sure.

01:11:43.160 And that's actually a great question and a great critique.

01:11:45.500 And, uh, guys, just for the record, take the gloves off because it's all in good fun.

01:11:50.020 And, uh, I love hard questions.

01:11:51.980 Um, now the idea of the traditional worker party, of course, as traditionalists is to,

01:11:56.200 uh, you know, follow the traditions of Europe, the idea of faith, family, and folk all embodied

01:12:00.700 in that.

01:12:01.280 Now our big focus in terms of the party, we are a nationwide party, but our primary focus is

01:12:08.180 within Appalachia, the Rust Belt, and the American West.

01:12:11.560 That is an area that historically has a very strong labor movement.

01:12:16.720 It's very strong in terms of class consciousness.

01:12:19.720 Like, um, in 1921, the largest uprising in American history was the Battle of Blair Mountain,

01:12:25.660 where coal miners, uh, going against the union bosses and everyone else actually marched

01:12:30.800 and, uh, were met, uh, by machine gun fire from the police and scabs hired by the Pinkerton 1.00

01:12:36.140 Corporation, uh, and the largest uprising in American history.

01:12:39.080 So we're looking at an area also in Appalachia, the American Midwest, also, you know, the Rust

01:12:44.500 Belt and the American West. 0.84

01:12:46.280 It's the whitest percentage of the population.

01:12:48.580 Also, it's the poorest.

01:12:50.260 So Appalachia has the highest percentage of white people, poorest part of America, and, like, 0.99

01:12:56.040 eastern Kentucky and West Virginia has a decade shorter life expectancy than the, uh, you know,

01:13:02.440 of course the mostly Jewish suburbs of Potomac, um, just a few hours away, right outside of

01:13:07.480 Washington, D.C.

01:13:08.500 So for us, focusing on where is revolutionary potential already there, because there are

01:13:15.040 millions of people, as we saw with Donald Trump, you know, in places like Tennessee,

01:13:18.780 Donald Trump won all but, like, one county in the primary, um, you know, and extremely successful

01:13:24.100 in these areas, rejecting national, uh, rejecting globalism, supporting at least some form of

01:13:29.620 nationalism, supporting closing the border, things like this, and this idea of the human

01:13:35.780 farmer, the, uh, the small town business owner, and the worker, the coal miner, the factory

01:13:42.020 worker, things like this is ingrained even amongst the youth, because, of course, we as millennials,

01:13:47.560 there's no coal mines to go back to.

01:13:49.440 There's no steel mills to go back to, but it harkens back to what your dad or your granddad

01:13:55.840 or your great-granddad did as part of this overall culture, where the working class, the

01:14:01.220 white working class, was organized specifically for their best interests historically, um, and

01:14:06.920 once again, we've been left behind.

01:14:08.680 We need to advocate for ourselves.

01:14:10.440 So it's not just talking about the fact, you know, over the past 20 years, we've lost over

01:14:14.900 15 million industrial jobs to NAFTA, Obama's closing the coal mines, um, you know, a lot

01:14:20.740 of oil workers are out of work, that there is, I think, uh, a white class consciousness

01:14:25.560 waiting to be tapped, waiting to be organized right there, just with guys who are out of

01:14:30.140 work or underemployed due to these Jewish globalist policies that have been enacted. 0.96

01:14:34.500 But it also goes back to speaking to the culture of the land that we're working in, this white 1.00

01:14:40.400 area, this middle America, this flyover country, as the elites would call it, that there's this

01:14:45.960 strong identity as being workers, whether you're a worker, whether you're working at

01:14:50.040 McDonald's, whether you're a student, you know, you, when you think of your grandpa, when

01:14:54.380 you think of your great-grandfather, when you think of like the union, uh, bosses versus

01:14:58.340 the union workers, um, you know, there's this very strong, powerful narrative.

01:15:03.400 It's in the music, it's in the folk music, it's in the identity.

01:15:06.500 So for us, it all comes together.

01:15:08.740 It's not just talking about modern politics, um, although that is a key issue, we're talking

01:15:13.200 about tens of millions of white working class people and their families that have been hurt

01:15:17.340 by globalism, that, uh, used to be union, uh, used to work in factories, used to work

01:15:21.600 in mines where that class consciousness is, but also our identity as our region and who

01:15:27.360 we are defining ourselves by hard work and sacrifice for our families, um, you know, being

01:15:33.060 innovative and, uh, being willing to, to then also be part of this overall labor movement

01:15:38.460 that was very popular from the American West all the way to Appalachia.

01:15:42.420 So that would be my answer, um, uh, as to why we picked worker as a, in, in the name.

01:15:47.740 So you're saying that in your experience, uh, the people in your region, um, you know, the

01:15:52.500 young people, you say that they resonate with that concept of worker.

01:15:56.120 So they, they understand what you're talking about when you talk to them and they like, uh,

01:15:59.580 they feel, they identify with that.

01:16:02.540 Well, it's mostly, uh, their NS.

01:16:04.320 I mean, it's actually a very interesting thing that we've seen.

01:16:07.140 So, you know, we do a lot of door knocking and direct community engagement in Kentucky,

01:16:11.440 West Virginia, Tennessee.

01:16:12.300 That's our big focus right now.

01:16:14.220 Um, so, you know, I can knock on trailer doors all day long and folks, if they're above

01:16:19.800 30, they understand a form of like class consciousness.

01:16:23.320 They talk about jobs and opportunities.

01:16:25.540 And if you're talking to someone usually like under 30, um, you know, if they're engaged

01:16:31.220 with our politics at all, then, then they've been influenced by 4chan.

01:16:35.200 They've been influenced by daily stormer.

01:16:36.440 They've been influenced by things we're doing right now.

01:16:39.100 And, you know, guess what?

01:16:40.540 You know, the entire youth is, um, you know, our, our national socialist or SJWs, but in the

01:16:45.880 hollers of West Virginia, you're not finding too many SJWs.

01:16:49.480 You're, you're seeing this revolutionary youth who are tired of this system.

01:16:53.540 Um, and they understand the callback of what it is as to who we are and what we're fighting

01:16:57.720 for.

01:16:58.160 So it actually, to me, uh, has worked out in my personal experience.

01:17:02.880 And honestly, I would like to say if it wasn't working, I'd have no problem changing it because

01:17:08.220 what we need is to win.

01:17:10.220 I don't need my ego stroked.

01:17:11.660 I don't need my group to succeed.

01:17:13.340 Our people need to win.

01:17:14.760 And that's, what's most important about everything.

01:17:16.360 Um, but, um, for me, I've just found if, if you're, you know, an old style worker, um, you

01:17:22.380 understand that identity is part of who you are.

01:17:24.420 And if you're young, then you're pretty fashy.

01:17:27.360 So it kind of, both of those work together in a, in a symphony that, um, is a pretty beautiful

01:17:32.940 thing.

01:17:33.300 You know, that again, the system doesn't understand they've unemployed millions of middle-aged

01:17:38.620 white guys that are pissed off.

01:17:40.600 And they've done nothing but push down the youth, you know, these guys' sons and daughters, 0.94

01:17:45.640 um, to where they're all like, yeah, Hitler did nothing wrong. 0.94

01:17:48.820 So it's kind of a perfect storm that's building in the American heartland.

01:17:52.780 That's pretty heartening.

01:17:54.580 Um, another thing that I wanted to talk to you about in terms of propaganda is, uh, well,

01:18:00.900 just today I was, um, watching, uh, Leon de Greil talking about like his rise in, um, you

01:18:08.020 know, the twenties and he explained that back then there was no radio, there was no television

01:18:14.380 and people, you know, had rallies, uh, like, especially with the communists and things like

01:18:19.200 that.

01:18:19.420 And that's where he had his audience.

01:18:21.360 That's how he reached the people because that was like the, the spectacle back then.

01:18:26.200 That's, um, what people did for entertainment basically was listen to people talk about politics.

01:18:31.140 But today, especially in the past couple of years, um, people tend to stay at home and

01:18:38.880 get all of their information and entertainment from the internet and to a lesser extent from

01:18:43.520 the media, from like the mainstream media.

01:18:46.420 So our, our propaganda, our revolutionary propaganda and outreach to the common people, uh, will probably

01:18:55.360 be done mostly through the internet or through media.

01:18:59.960 Um, so what, what do you think is, uh, like you, you've said previously that, you know,

01:19:05.580 you do outreach, you go knocking on doors, but of course there's a limit to how many people

01:19:10.500 you can reach that way.

01:19:11.380 If you want to reach masses, you'd have to do it, you know, through the internet.

01:19:14.480 So what do you see as what, um, your movement needs to do in terms of media work and internet

01:19:21.020 to reach broad masses of people in, you know, the, the, the present scenario.

01:19:27.320 Exactly.

01:19:28.020 No, you're 100% right.

01:19:29.620 And that's for instance, actually last week I recorded my first vlog.

01:19:32.960 I resisted doing it for such a long time because I, I don't really like sitting and watching,

01:19:38.960 uh, people talk and, and I don't think I'm self-important enough that people want to sit

01:19:43.740 and watch me talk.

01:19:44.600 Uh, but, um, there was enough people harassed me, um, that after Trump's election, I did a video

01:19:50.360 on, um, where we go from here.

01:19:52.300 And I actually recorded another one, um, in terms of talking about the white lives matter 0.92

01:19:56.280 protests that happened all around the country just this past week.

01:19:59.540 Um, so I'm getting involved in a vlog also within our party.

01:20:03.020 We have a 14 sacred words.

01:20:05.120 Of course, that that's a band by all party members to be able to get the music out there.

01:20:09.180 That's, um, you know, the metal core genre, uh, Patty Tarleton, you know, is of course affiliated

01:20:13.780 with our party.

01:20:14.380 He does folk music, um, and other folks to be able to engage the music scene in ways other

01:20:19.440 than the RAC, you know, the rock against communism music that we all think about.

01:20:23.640 We think about white nationalism.

01:20:25.220 So music is going to be a big thing.

01:20:27.420 Second of all, uh, videos, podcasts, you know, for instance, I do my show daily, um, you know,

01:20:33.160 on radio area and on daily stormer, the daily traditionalist, uh, which I really love.

01:20:37.800 I am doing things like this, being able to get our voices out there, but all of that is

01:20:42.120 important to the faithful recruiting, especially young people.

01:20:45.080 But in terms of a mass movement, this is where having a political party is going to be so

01:20:50.420 important because we have the ability as a political party that when the election comes

01:20:56.540 in a specific area, and of course we know as soon as it goes out, as soon as an ad goes

01:21:01.660 out, that's pro white, it's international news, you know?

01:21:04.860 So, so we're talking about reaching millions of additional people outside of the area where

01:21:08.560 the ad runs, um, we have the ability to craft whatever radio or television ads that best

01:21:16.020 fit our message that we want to get out to the people and, uh, and, and force them to

01:21:21.240 do it because we're a political party.

01:21:23.280 So we need to be building, you know, all the things I'm talking about, we're talking about

01:21:26.340 videos, we're talking about podcasts, we're talking about articles, we're actually, uh,

01:21:29.460 overhauling the traditionalist youth network website to be a more engaging blog, uh, which

01:21:34.000 is really important.

01:21:34.780 Um, street activism, which forces the media to cover us, creates our own media to engage

01:21:40.240 local people and raise awareness, but then also elections are going to be crucial.

01:21:44.880 Um, not so much the election results, although that is going to be important and we can win

01:21:49.420 on local and state levels, but using the opportunities provided by us by federal election law to be

01:21:55.840 able to reach millions of people, you know, you pay for an ad that on a radio might reach

01:22:00.380 10,000 people, but that becomes a news story that white nationalists recorded, uh,

01:22:04.780 campaign ad and then a million people hear it.

01:22:07.240 It's amplifies due to being a political movement.

01:22:10.400 It amplifies our ability to use the, the, uh, current system to reach more people.

01:22:14.600 So it all has to be involved together, whether it's knocking on doors, like going trailer to

01:22:19.740 trailer in rural America to one-on-one engage the people that live in that trailer park to

01:22:25.960 find out what their needs are, find out how we can advocate for them, find out what issues

01:22:30.160 matter, most of them all the way to running campaign ads, um, to reach millions of people

01:22:35.420 with a short burst of a message, uh, to get them interested and then filter through to

01:22:39.900 be able to gain more, um, you know, more understanding of who we are, gain more party

01:22:43.840 members.

01:22:44.220 It all comes together.

01:22:45.000 So there, there is a full strategy involved.

01:22:48.000 Um, you know, of course, whether it's the music, the campaigns all the way to direct engagement

01:22:53.660 with people face to face.

01:22:55.060 So this is a very difficult process.

01:22:57.600 There is so much to be done, but it's something that is really coming together over the past

01:23:02.040 year.

01:23:02.400 I couldn't have been more proud with how our party was able to engage people in this

01:23:06.280 way.

01:23:06.640 And we've already got so many other things going on that are going to be able to take

01:23:10.400 it to the next level.

01:23:11.160 So that's, uh, that's our plan.

01:23:13.280 Hopefully that answers the question.

01:23:15.240 Yeah.

01:23:15.440 I mean, I think, uh, we've all been making a lot of progress on the media front in the

01:23:19.400 past year and, um, yeah, things are going quite well in that direction.

01:23:23.140 I think, uh, probably the, um, the weakness that we have right now is in terms of entertainment,

01:23:29.780 but things are starting to, um, come forward.

01:23:32.560 Like you said, the music is going to be important and, um, we started to get entertainment videos

01:23:38.300 with Murdoch Murdoch.

01:23:40.320 And I think we can make more and, you know, yeah.

01:23:43.280 I mean, it's, it's heartening that you're, your people are focusing on that as well.

01:23:48.960 Well, it has to be, it has to be done that way.

01:23:51.140 And infotainment, I think is very important going into 2017 where we are both informative

01:23:56.760 and entertaining because, you know, you think about it, the, the Jews in the current system,

01:24:01.440 there is no fun.

01:24:02.820 There is no humor that they have.

01:24:05.000 Everything they believe in is just angry and hateful.

01:24:08.160 It's actually the exact opposite of, of what we are.

01:24:10.860 But, you know, of course they accuse us of, and I think infotainment is going to be so

01:24:15.800 important.

01:24:16.200 We've already seen it be so successful, but we need to be able to show people we're having

01:24:19.900 fun.

01:24:20.800 There's nothing that makes a leftist more angry than when they're screaming at you, you

01:24:24.760 crack a smile and enjoy the experience of, uh, rustling their jimmies and reaching your

01:24:30.320 everyday people.

01:24:31.080 It's, it's a beautiful thing.

01:24:32.240 Just drink their tears lavishly.

01:24:33.420 Oh my gosh.

01:24:34.320 I tell, I tell you what, like, uh, you know, uh, Jason, you know, I mentioned with 14 sacred

01:24:37.980 words, the guy's in his early thirties and he looks like he's 18 years old and he was

01:24:41.960 in New York city triggering leftists constantly.

01:24:44.480 I'm convinced this is the fountain of youth.

01:24:47.300 Uh, it truly is the path forward.

01:24:49.620 But, uh, you know, I, I mean, that's the thing we need to have keeps me on that.

01:24:54.520 Well, it does.

01:24:55.500 It really does.

01:24:56.200 And, and like guys, like we're, we're all friends.

01:24:59.360 You know, I met my wife at the American Renaissance conference, my best friends I've met in the

01:25:03.880 movement, whether it's at a conference or on a picket line or on a million and one different

01:25:08.380 things.

01:25:09.040 If we understand that we're a family, that we care about each other, we're all in this

01:25:14.680 together.

01:25:15.000 We have fun together and we treat it like that.

01:25:17.440 Like, you know, this is deadly serious.

01:25:19.760 Of course it's deadly serious, but we have fun while we're doing it.

01:25:22.780 It'll be engaging.

01:25:24.220 The left comes off as hysterical and shrill.

01:25:26.580 We're the cool thing to do or the fun thing to do.

01:25:29.520 It brings us all together.

01:25:30.640 So I think infotainment is going to be crucial in 2017 and solidifying the unity of our movement

01:25:35.660 between the boots and the suits, different subcultures on this professional path.

01:25:39.880 We're going, if we can bring the movement together to show that we're a family, it'll

01:25:43.240 better engage people because everyone's been broken apart.

01:25:46.120 You know, half of our kids, I'm one of them come from a broken home, you know, feel

01:25:50.540 disconnected from their society.

01:25:52.160 If we can be a warm, welcoming, fun thing for everyone to get involved with that also

01:25:57.040 is fighting for the future of our children, everybody wins.

01:26:00.080 So that's how I kind of see the future.

01:26:02.920 Wow.

01:26:03.560 If I could, if I could for a moment, you mentioned suits versus boots.

01:26:09.980 I would like to say something about that.

01:26:11.740 Recently at the, at this most recent NPI conference, we saw if I'm sure most of us, if we've seen

01:26:23.620 any of it, we've seen the bit where a red ice TV cameraman was jumped by about 10 people 0.63

01:26:33.660 and beaten bloody by them, by these Antifa subhuman urchins. 0.99

01:26:43.720 So I would like to, I would like to put out there that I, look, I don't care what group 0.96

01:26:50.160 does it.

01:26:51.040 I don't care if it's the Houston Goilers, Adam Waffen or American Vanguard.

01:26:56.380 I don't care who does it, but at these events going forward, AMREN conferences, NPI conferences, 0.99

01:27:05.340 these groups need to be there in force to prevent this shit. 0.98

01:27:11.180 There is absolutely nothing to be gained by turning the other cheek and letting this happen 1.00

01:27:16.960 and pointing and saying and saying, hey, look, they're the violent ones.

01:27:20.660 No, that's not going to help. 1.00

01:27:23.800 What is going to help is that when they try this shit, they get fucking Neganed. 1.00

01:27:31.480 They get their head liquefied on the fucking pavement. 1.00

01:27:35.340 They get curb stomped. 1.00

01:27:38.260 Well, I mean, what I'd say to that is you look at Sacramento.

01:27:42.800 So, of course, the police came out, confirmed on the scene that our guys defended themselves,

01:27:48.180 right, the Sacramento Spartans, one of them ended up in a coma on the other side.

01:27:55.080 One of our guys got stabbed, but over a dozen of the other ones ended up hospitalized for

01:28:01.480 stab wounds and things like that.

01:28:03.120 And they learned really quick, again, following the law, 100%, we have to be legal, we have

01:28:09.900 to be peaceful when we can.

01:28:11.460 But when the fight comes to us, we don't just drive off the enemy.

01:28:15.820 We defeat the enemy.

01:28:18.060 And that is so crucial.

01:28:19.540 And that's, to me, what has seen the biggest division in our movement.

01:28:24.040 It's so unfortunate where, you know, if you go back, I've got a huge amount of respect

01:28:28.060 for Dr. William Pierce.

01:28:29.560 Love Dr. Pierce.

01:28:31.340 But one of the biggest failures, I think, was in having, like, resistance records and not,

01:28:37.880 and, of course, you know, then getting upset with the National Alliance that you had subcultures

01:28:42.060 acting in ways that you didn't approve of, instead of educating them, instead of mobilizing

01:28:47.160 them and respecting them to move them forward.

01:28:50.280 So what I see for our movement, and this has gotten me a lot of flack, it's gotten me a

01:28:54.560 lot of flack with groups that I've been going to and talking to.

01:28:57.520 And you know what I've found?

01:28:59.160 I have found without, pretty much without exception, that folks want to win.

01:29:04.780 They're not in this for their ego, and they're doing the best they can based on what they

01:29:11.180 know, based on how they were brought in, based on what their subculture is.

01:29:14.780 But if there's a better way, they'll evolve and change.

01:29:17.920 You know, an example, the National Socialist Movement has dropped the swastika and paramilitary

01:29:23.060 uniforms and is redesigning everything in their propaganda department now to reflect a more

01:29:29.460 European movement, to engage specifically in politics.

01:29:32.760 If you had told me that five years ago, or anyone that five years ago, no one would have

01:29:37.560 believed it.

01:29:38.760 But, you know, Jeff Scoop, as a guy that I know personally and known for a long time,

01:29:43.320 really has pushed forward in wanting to be politically active and politically engaged and be relevant

01:29:49.860 to the geopolitical struggle.

01:29:51.460 So that's great.

01:29:52.300 So, you know, the problem is, though, when people make advances, our movement is very classist.

01:29:58.160 And the problem is, the suits in many capacities cannot defend themselves.

01:30:03.220 I'm sorry, but no amount of legal protection matters a single, a single dam if you can't defend your own

01:30:11.520 political space.

01:30:12.540 Because as we saw, like, the MPI dinner that happened, again, much respect for MPI to hold

01:30:17.920 such a successful event.

01:30:19.380 The Hail Victory thing was based, love it, good on Richard, like, God bless him.

01:30:23.520 But these Reds, who were outnumbered by the nationalists, were able to push themselves into

01:30:28.700 a restaurant and spray feces and urine on the attendees and things like that. 0.82

01:30:34.440 No, they should have been, yeah, yeah, they should have been driven out of the space when

01:30:39.840 you outnumbered them.

01:30:41.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah, they did.

01:30:43.460 And we need to be able to drive them out.

01:30:45.560 We need to be able to defend ourselves.

01:30:47.180 Again, it's legal.

01:30:48.240 But basically, my entire point in this, because it's a very important issue to me, there are

01:30:53.660 right now in America, tens of thousands of people who, on a regular basis, hit the streets

01:31:00.400 to publicly put their name and their face out there for the sake of white nationalism.

01:31:05.020 And the problem is, sometimes they're not doing it in the most effective way.

01:31:10.080 But the heart that they have is something that cannot, and you cannot buy that.

01:31:15.920 That is a self-driven courage that people have.

01:31:19.580 So are we more likely to be able to work with people with that courage and make them more

01:31:25.340 effective, make them more professional, and work with them with respect and partnership

01:31:31.140 instead of condescension?

01:31:33.700 I think that's the path forward, because we need the unity.

01:31:37.680 Why do we have right now in America 15 different conferences between different groups that happen

01:31:41.780 every year with 200 people at them?

01:31:43.960 Why don't we have one conference with several thousand people at it?

01:31:48.740 Why don't we do demonstrations?

01:31:50.420 We have all the groups together in a professional way being successful.

01:31:54.420 And when the Reds come, because they're bringing guns to protest now, as we saw against White

01:31:59.840 Lives Matter, they are getting more violent, and the system protects them.

01:32:04.720 The system of aids and abets them.

01:32:07.060 I mean, we'll see if that changes under Trump.

01:32:10.120 But political space isn't won if you're hiding behind the state.

01:32:15.240 We need to be able, as the SA did with the NSDAP, or the Legion did against the Reds, or 0.89

01:32:21.120 any other revolutionary movement has done, we must be able to protect our own meetings

01:32:25.120 without a single cop involved.

01:32:27.340 We must be able to protect ourselves and our comrades and defeat the enemies that come

01:32:30.980 against us, because that teaches them that this isn't a joke.

01:32:34.300 So, for me, that's where class unity and subcultural unity...

01:32:39.300 Now, that doesn't mean accepting people that don't want to get better, that don't want

01:32:42.760 to make changes, don't want to enter this 21st century thing, but to open ourselves up

01:32:46.740 to class unity, subcultural unity, and bringing this movement together.

01:32:50.640 Because if we don't, they are bringing guns to events.

01:32:54.400 In Sacramento, I got so many tweets, because, you know, our guys out there, amazing, I didn't

01:33:01.180 go, it's over 2,200 miles away from me, I've got a wife and a family, I've been on the

01:33:05.680 picket lines, I've been attacked, I've been named case numbers, I've leftists that have

01:33:09.260 attacked me, they ended up getting arrested for assault and good stuff, but I got tweets

01:33:12.900 about how Reds were saying, because they recovered a gun at the scene, saying that they

01:33:16.960 were there to assassinate me. 0.97

01:33:19.020 They wanted to kill me. 0.55

01:33:19.900 Don't bring speeches to a gunfight.

01:33:22.640 Well, right, and that's the thing.

01:33:24.260 So the way I see it is, the Reds are getting more violent, they see that they're losing,

01:33:30.360 they see that we're winning, and like a crazed animal, a wounded animal, they're going to lash

01:33:35.100 out.

01:33:36.160 So the time is now, we've got this calm before the storm, we can unite our movement and bring

01:33:40.780 it together, that we can defend the victories we've won, because we cannot depend on the state,

01:33:45.540 we can only depend on our comrades.

01:33:46.960 So, this is the time to come together, to stand together, and if the situation calls

01:33:53.280 for it, to fight together, and that's the way to victory.

01:33:56.740 So, it's, you know, I know I've gotten a lot of flack, a lot of people, other people in

01:34:00.920 our party have gotten a lot of flack of doing this, but I've seen so much success already

01:34:04.480 of things improving and coming together, and the time is now, as we see with NPI, come together,

01:34:10.160 because they are coming to hurt us, they're coming to kill us, they hate us, and the system

01:34:15.960 will do anything it can to crush us.

01:34:18.040 So, the time for differences is over, the time for unity is now.

01:34:22.280 Exactly.

01:34:24.320 I mean, it's the most simple political thing in the world.

01:34:27.440 I mean, look, these people, I mean, it's not even political, it's biological and instinctual.

01:34:35.180 Look, you show up to protest this and assault us, and you go home with no teeth, and you're

01:34:45.860 jaw-wired together, they'll stop.

01:34:50.360 Yeah, and I think...

01:34:51.520 It's as simple as that.

01:34:52.940 Yeah, and I think with that, we've reached the end of our time here today.

01:34:57.520 I wanted to thank you wholeheartedly, Matt, for coming on the show and agreeing to do this

01:35:03.040 interview with us.

01:35:04.180 It was fantastic.

01:35:05.600 I mean, you were an excellent guest.

01:35:07.560 Your answers were edifying in every single respect to our questions.

01:35:12.880 And I want to invite you back on again, you know, hopefully we'll be able to get, you

01:35:17.040 know, Benjamin Raymond of National Action, you know, on for something similar.

01:35:21.240 And I just wanted to say, God bless you.

01:35:23.420 You are doing God's work, and we will pray for you.

01:35:25.920 And I want to encourage all of our listeners to send prayers, you know, to send money, if

01:35:31.560 you've got disposable income, you know.

01:35:33.420 If you want to donate to this show, don't.

01:35:35.100 Donate to Daily Stormer, or Traditional Worker Party, or anybody who actually can use the funds.

01:35:40.020 Well, I just really appreciate it, and I had a lot of fun tonight, gentlemen, so I would

01:35:45.820 love to be back on any time I can do anything to be able to help.

01:35:49.140 I'm here, because shows like this are so important, and I just really appreciate the opportunity.

01:35:54.680 So to all the listeners, God bless you.

01:35:57.020 Thank you for listening, and, you know, thanks for all the support and the opportunity, gentlemen.

01:36:01.480 I look forward to a future invitation, and I'll look forward to being here with you again.

01:36:06.680 Excellent.

01:36:07.480 Excellent.

01:36:08.300 Thank you very much.

01:36:08.920 It's an honor to speak to you, Matt.

01:36:09.880 Thank you.

01:36:10.800 Yeah, no problem.

01:36:11.900 Hail victory.

01:36:12.960 Hail victory.

01:36:14.360 Hail victory.

01:36:17.400 Have mercy on us, O Lord, have mercy on us, for we are empty of all defense.

01:36:25.800 As sinners, we offer this obligation to you.

01:36:30.040 O Master, have mercy on us.

01:36:35.080 Glory to the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

01:36:41.220 Lord, have mercy on us, for in you we have put our trust.

01:36:46.220 Be not exceedingly angry with us, nor remember our many iniquities.

01:36:53.840 But look upon us now as the compassionate, and deliver us from our enemies.

01:37:00.680 For you are our God, and we your people.

01:37:05.820 We are all the work of your hands, and upon your name we have now called.

01:37:12.680 Now and forever, and to the ages of ages, amen.

01:37:18.940 The doors of caring do now open unto us, O most blessed Theodokos, so that hoping in you we shall

01:37:31.140 not fail, through you we may be delivered from adversities.

01:37:37.140 For you are the salvation of the Christian faith.

01:37:44.960 All those do you shelter, O good one, those who in their faith flee unto you, with your strong hand you protect.

01:38:06.820 We who sin have no one else, who intercedes for us.

01:38:14.040 Before God, praying endlessly in ills and all dangers, for us who are laden with our many sins and mistakes.

01:38:29.200 Mother, I'm our God in the highest, therefore we fall down to you only, from all the misfortunes keep your servants safe.

01:38:48.340 Welcome back to part two of Mysterium Fasci's episode eight.

01:38:52.500 We had a great interview with Matt Heimbach, and now we're going to be moving forward into

01:38:57.600 our second segment of the show, the Kali Yuga News.

01:39:02.260 This week we've got a very special report with our top Kali Yuga News investigator, James Futurist.

01:39:10.260 James is joining us here with Graeva Hans, Marcus Rhodes, Ziger, and Doc Mayhem.

01:39:16.640 Thank you guys for joining us.

01:39:19.180 Absolutely.

01:39:20.760 Hail victory. 1.00

01:39:22.140 Let's fix America, shoot a Democrat. 1.00

01:39:24.860 Yeah, let's try not to. 1.00

01:39:26.460 In a self-defense situation.

01:39:28.820 Yeah, hypothetically.

01:39:29.780 Oh, just a prank, bro.

01:39:31.060 Just a prank.

01:39:32.340 Now, moving on to our special expose.

01:39:36.280 I've commissioned James, and he has diligently provided a special investigative report on the

01:39:42.740 Pizzagate scandal.

01:39:44.680 This breaking revelations about an international pedophile and potentially Satanist ring at

01:39:54.300 the highest levels of the United States regime and the international regime.

01:39:59.760 Essentially, it seems Alex Jones has done nothing wrong.

01:40:03.460 James, would you care to begin your report?

01:40:06.080 Sure.

01:40:07.080 Sure.

01:40:07.460 All right.

01:40:08.120 So, Pizzagate, the term itself comes from the fact that all of this seems to center around

01:40:15.380 a certain pizza parlor and ping pong joint in Washington, D.C. on Connecticut Avenue. 0.58

01:40:22.140 All of this came to light, of course, when our technically inept and illiterate boomer elites 1.00

01:40:32.340 don't know how to recognize a phishing scam email and click on it, and then hackers gain

01:40:38.500 access to their entire email history and then turn it over to WikiLeaks.

01:40:42.160 And people have poured through the data and all of these emails, and a lot of very strange,

01:40:48.100 seemingly nonsensical languages is in there.

01:40:51.900 They're obviously speaking in code, and not only are they speaking in code, but they're

01:40:56.480 speaking in a code that is well-known on the internet and has been for a long time that

01:41:01.220 anybody who's ever been on B back in the day knows is referencing to child porn and pedophilia.

01:41:07.680 Yeah.

01:41:08.540 So, the way I think I want to do this, let's kind of go through the central people involved

01:41:14.840 in this.

01:41:16.240 This is, yeah, Podesta, the Podesta brothers, they're the ones who, through which the emails

01:41:25.400 were leaked to WikiLeaks.

01:41:26.440 But first, let's start with a guy named James Aliphantus, okay?

01:41:32.200 Comet Pizza is a pizza place owned by James Aliphantus, who is the former, get this, the

01:41:37.420 former gay boyfriend of David Brock, who is the CEO of Correct the Record and Media Matters.

01:41:45.200 Do you think you can explain what Correct the Record is for some of our viewers or listeners

01:41:48.260 who don't know?

01:41:49.040 Certainly.

01:41:49.680 If you haven't been to 4chan's poll in several months, you may not know who Correct the Record

01:41:57.620 is.

01:41:57.920 But Correct the Record is essentially an army of paid shills by the DNC and the Clinton campaign.

01:42:05.140 They, I mean, they completely, I mean, there had to be thousands of them.

01:42:09.460 They completely changed the face of 4chan's poll board for, and now, you know, that she

01:42:14.660 lost.

01:42:15.080 They're magically gone.

01:42:15.980 It's weird.

01:42:16.340 But yes.

01:42:20.240 And so, this place, it's been the venue for dozens of events for the Hillary campaign. 0.57

01:42:26.980 John Podesta has had campaign fundraisers there for both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

01:42:32.620 John's brother and business partner, Tony Podesta, has his birthday party there every year, okay?

01:42:38.540 It's also a dive, according to reviews and photos, that has hidden bathroom doors and

01:42:43.760 really creepy murals.

01:42:46.040 The art, in a healthy society, the art that is on display in this place would want to raid

01:42:51.720 alone.

01:42:52.940 The bathrooms in particular have murals exclusively of nude women, as well as a great deal of graffiti

01:42:59.680 relating to sex.

01:43:00.780 And this is supposed to be a family-friendly place where children are welcome.

01:43:04.200 Reviews of the restaurant are bizarrely polarized.

01:43:08.120 Websites describing it positively note that there were regularly unsupervised children running

01:43:13.320 around.

01:43:14.700 What?

01:43:15.600 What?

01:43:16.760 Yeah.

01:43:17.440 Their menu includes pedophilic symbols, as do the signs and decorations of other neighboring

01:43:24.240 businesses.

01:43:25.040 And we'll get into that in a moment.

01:43:27.440 I'm not pulling this, you know, pedophile symbology out of some weird esoteric anything.

01:43:32.360 I'm pulling it from the FBI site, you know, because there was a point at once when they

01:43:37.680 actually did their job somewhere.

01:43:39.660 Yes.

01:43:40.120 And anybody who's familiar with Polar B has probably seen this document floating around,

01:43:46.280 the declassified FBI report on, you know, pedophile symbology and the way in which they

01:43:51.560 communicate with each other.

01:43:53.680 And it's, you know, contact us and we can give you some links to this material if you're

01:44:01.060 interested.

01:44:02.360 Sure. 0.99

01:44:02.700 It's fucking horrifying, of course. 0.99

01:44:07.180 Yeah. 0.98

01:44:07.860 I mean, the music acts and posters promoting the same acts are as bizarre as anything else

01:44:13.300 there in the presentation and content and lyrical focus, but are still promoted as being for

01:44:18.800 all ages.

01:44:19.500 They have like eighth grade boy bands that perform there all the time.

01:44:30.180 And it's really odd that this guy, this James Aliphantus character, was declared by GQ to

01:44:39.160 be in the top 50 most influential people in Washington, D.C. despite him having no other political

01:44:47.200 connections or affiliations other than owning this pizza joint in Washington, D.C.

01:44:52.660 Weird.

01:44:54.500 Wow.

01:44:54.940 Yeah, he's doing pretty well for a pizza shop owner.

01:44:58.240 But where's your sources about this thing about boy bands performing there and children just

01:45:06.140 running around?

01:45:06.800 Yelp reviews.

01:45:08.800 Yelp reviews.

01:45:10.460 There is an archive.

01:45:12.840 I can get that out there.

01:45:14.600 It's a huge image on Slimber.

01:45:19.280 There's a paste bin.

01:45:21.460 How old are those?

01:45:23.920 They're between eight and 12.

01:45:27.220 Most people are saying.

01:45:30.000 No, no, no, no, the reviews.

01:45:31.740 How, when were the reviews published?

01:45:33.580 Were they published before or after the Podesta stuff?

01:45:36.900 No, no, no, no, way before.

01:45:38.080 Before.

01:45:38.600 And that's the thing.

01:45:40.120 Since this scandal has kind of broken, since all of this stuff has started coming out,

01:45:44.380 they're burning everything.

01:45:46.720 They're deleting everything.

01:45:47.720 They're changing their business locos on their websites.

01:45:50.760 They're removing, they've apparently had, they have new menus in the restaurant.

01:45:57.220 Themselves to get rid of the, the other logos, which, you know, are, are well-known.

01:46:03.880 The kind of spirally little triangle pyramid icon is a Nambla symbol for boy lovers. 0.97

01:46:11.020 And this pink, like, big heart within a little heart is the symbol for little girl lovers, you know.

01:46:19.400 And, and then these things were, it was readily ever, it was all over their websites.

01:46:23.780 It's, it was, it's on their actual menus for their, for the food there.

01:46:28.940 God, you know, it makes me wonder, because Trump was hanging out in all these political circles.

01:46:34.780 And you know how he was accused of sexualizing his daughter and he had her sitting on his lap all disturbing. 1.00

01:46:41.920 And, you know, cause liberals, they love to project, shit lips project. 1.00

01:46:45.960 Of course, they're going to accuse you of wanting to molest your own daughter, 1.00

01:46:48.780 because these are the same kind of people who are trying to remove, you know, incest and pedophilia taboos.

01:46:56.760 But someone pointed out to me, it's like, no, no, no.

01:46:58.780 Trump wasn't doing any of that.

01:47:00.560 Notice how he was like keeping his hand on her at all times, keeping her close.

01:47:05.920 I've heard this, I've heard this raised, yeah. 0.99

01:47:08.520 Yeah, he knew, he knew what the fuck was going on and he didn't, he wanted to keep his, his kids as far the fuck away from it as possible. 0.97

01:47:16.900 Yeah, I've heard that theory floated that he, he didn't let, he didn't let Ivanka out of arm's reach around these people. 0.98

01:47:24.440 And that's why, maybe he knew something.

01:47:27.120 I've heard that idea floated.

01:47:28.580 Would you?

01:47:29.280 Would you let your daughter out of arm's reach if you were around these people?

01:47:32.880 No, no, no, because the thing is, is if you, this is a complete tangent, we'll go back into the main report in a minute.

01:47:41.940 There are loads of reports of, you know, parents stop looking at their children for 60 minutes and they're abducted by these types of people.

01:47:49.420 Yeah, yeah.

01:47:50.520 Like it really is, you know, I mean, they go out of sight and boom.

01:47:53.680 Dude, there, there is footage of Joe Biden on national TV of him, like, getting all up on this very young girl, like, on national, I'll have to find it in a minute. 0.98

01:48:08.640 But, I mean, I am, I am cringing so hard my face is going to implode for this girl that this old man's fucking, like, leering over and whispering in her ear. 0.98

01:48:18.180 And, like, Jesus Christ, dude. 0.98

01:48:20.760 And you can see how the parents feel, feels awkward.

01:48:23.700 They, they just have to pretend to, to go along with it, like nothing happened.

01:48:27.000 And the girl's just standing there, you know, just frozen. 1.00

01:48:31.420 It's fucked up. 0.86

01:48:32.440 Yeah, and so one of the most, one of the creepiest things, maybe the most revealing is this fellow James Aliphantus and his Instagram account, which has been, thankfully, been archived in full. 0.98

01:48:49.640 You can probably just Google that, actually.

01:48:51.800 And, also, for anyone looking for the, the current ongoing investigation in this, of course, we're probably aware that the subreddit associated with investigation of this was banned, of course.

01:49:07.040 But, it's moved to vote.co, that's V-O-A-T dot co slash V slash Pizzagate.

01:49:14.940 And, you can also, in the A-Chan poll, has it opened?

01:49:18.300 Yes, of course, there's a, there's a, there's a sticky thread, uh, in reference to the, to all of this, uh, pretty much at all times now.

01:49:26.320 But, now, I just want to issue a disclaimer for those of our viewers who are interested in investigating this for themselves.

01:49:32.620 Um, some of the material that they're, you know, that they're digging up from, from the deep web and other pedophilic organizations, it's bad for your soul.

01:49:39.980 I'm being very serious.

01:49:41.160 It's, it's some of the most shocking things I've ever seen in my entire life.

01:49:44.020 And, I mean, you know, I, I cover Caliuga News every week.

01:49:47.160 So, yeah.

01:49:48.740 This stuff, I mean, I'm, I'm going to be, it's not at all for the faint-hearted and not for the immature.

01:49:55.040 So, you need to, you know, uh, drink some whiskey and pray to God and be very careful.

01:49:59.660 Yeah, I'm about three beers in right now just to talk about this.

01:50:02.820 Because, I'm going to get into, in a moment, the art that is on display there and who made this art and why and what it depicts.

01:50:10.220 Uh, yeah.

01:50:11.680 But, this man, James Aliphantus, his, which, by the way, I don't know, this might be a little bit speculative.

01:50:18.640 But, his name almost anagrams to, uh, uh, J'ai l'amour, l'enfance, if I'm saying that right in French.

01:50:27.200 Basically, I love children.

01:50:28.520 J'ai l'enfant.

01:50:29.280 Yeah, J'ai l'enfant.

01:50:30.260 Yeah.

01:50:30.600 It almost anagrams to, I love children in French.

01:50:33.460 And then, that, that could seem really, that could be like a serious reach, you know, like a grasp for a straw.

01:50:41.220 But, then he posts on his Instagram, uh, a picture of himself wearing a sweater that says, literally in French, I love children, uh, with a homosexual man on either arm of his, uh, outside of a gay club. 0.69

01:50:58.440 Um, so, you'll find that in the archive, the archive of his entire Instagram account.

01:51:06.660 So, which, by the way, as soon as this started blowing up, uh, that Instagram account was, uh, set to private as, and everyone who was linked to him and a friend of his has either gone private or deleted their account.

01:51:21.520 Um, do, do we know if he's a mason as well?

01:51:24.980 That, I'm not sure of.

01:51:27.840 It's hard to find anything about his ethnicity, whether or not he is or is not Jewish.

01:51:32.440 But, at this point, does it matter if he's Jewish?

01:51:35.260 Uh, but I can't find anything on masonic ties or anything like that.

01:51:40.520 But, uh, dude, dude, Freemasonry is so last century.

01:51:46.600 We're into just outright Satanism now.

01:51:49.320 We're in the occult.

01:51:50.360 Yeah, and this guy's, this guy's Instagram account, uh, revealed something else that was pretty, uh, pretty disturbing.

01:52:03.560 Uh, I mean, he, it's, it's pretty routine for him to post things of, like, you know, infant children next to, like, tiny toddler-sized coffins and, you know, little girls, uh, duct-taped to tables and, um, all kinds of really, really bizarre, just disturbing things involving very, very...

01:52:25.560 Yeah, images of, pizza slices superimposed over images of infants in a crib or, uh... 0.94

01:52:31.680 Yeah, and this, this, this recurring theme of pizza, which is a code for little girls, and, of course, anybody who's ever been to fucking 4chan knows that cheese pizza means, means child pornography. 0.99

01:52:42.560 Yeah, and, I mean, you, literally, you, you're, you're putting out on your Instagram, which is associated with the account of your, uh, pizza pub, of literally a dick ejaculating slices of pizza, and little girls duct-taped to tabletops. 0.99

01:53:02.140 Oh, pushpap is the technical term. 0.99

01:53:04.880 Yeah, I mean, just the, the, the hubris of these people are, like, just shoving it in people's faces that they're just fucked up. 0.97

01:53:12.080 Are there really people, though? Are there really people? If you do this, are you even human anymore? 0.95

01:53:17.640 They're like drones, golems. 1.00

01:53:19.420 No, no, they are.

01:53:20.100 No, no, no, no, these, these, these guys are men.

01:53:23.040 Hey, McCune!

01:53:24.540 No, no, I know, I mean, I say this, this is important.

01:53:26.880 You know, I mean, eh, don't dehumanize the enemy to a certain degree, in the sense that, you know, these men, I mean, volitionally chose these things.

01:53:38.020 These guys are just evil.

01:53:39.560 Evil is a thing that exists in the world, and these are who our enemies are.

01:53:43.600 Yes.

01:53:43.860 This is the level of moral depravity that they possess.

01:53:45.940 Speaking of enemies, this gentleman named Aaron Rau followed the, the Instagram account of James Oliphantus, and he was caught liking a bunch of the really creepy toddler-associated posts.

01:54:04.020 Now, why is this important?

01:54:06.300 Well, it's important because Aaron Rau is an assistant U.S. attorney of the Department of Justice of the Southern Division Office for the District of Maryland.

01:54:18.000 Now, what specifically is he tasked with doing?

01:54:22.520 What specific crime division is he, you know, tasked with monitoring?

01:54:27.800 Well, gee, I'll give you three guesses what he is supposed to monitor and shut down.

01:54:35.100 How about child trafficking?

01:54:36.940 Yes, child pornography and human trafficking.

01:54:40.780 And now, he's only one of four lawyers of the entire United States that are assigned to this duty, right?

01:54:46.180 Yes.

01:54:46.460 Wow.

01:54:47.840 And he's buddies with James Oliphantus on, uh, on, uh, Instagram.

01:54:53.900 That's weird.

01:54:54.260 There's only four of those people?

01:54:57.800 Yes.

01:54:59.380 I mean, isn't that a bit low?

01:55:02.800 Well, apparently it's not that heavily policed.

01:55:05.660 No, it's because it happens so rarely that you really don't need that many people.

01:55:11.140 Ah, of course.

01:55:11.800 Yeah, child pornography is just, like, a victimless crime, man.

01:55:15.700 It doesn't violate the NAP.

01:55:17.220 Now, let's, let's look at, you know, maybe, maybe this runs in the family, because let's look at Susan Oliphantus, uh, James Oliphantus' sister.

01:55:28.900 Now, she wrote a letter in support of a man who was being convicted of, uh, child molestation.

01:55:36.800 Uh, this man's name is, uh, Christopher Cloman.

01:55:40.740 I, yeah, I think it echoes.

01:55:43.260 Cloman? 0.54

01:55:44.220 Um, Cloman! 1.00

01:55:45.660 Um, but she wrote a letter to the judge, uh, pleading for leniency, uh, but this man is, he was sentenced to 43 years in prison for multiple counts of child molestation.

01:55:59.880 So, yeah, yeah, by their fruits.

01:56:09.160 Indeed, and behold, every tree that does not bear good fruits will be cut down and tossed into the fire.

01:56:17.240 Yeah, now, to, to go through some of the emails here that, that, that really led to all of this in the first place, right?

01:56:26.860 So, you have an email from a DNC staffer, uh, talking about, and this one, this one seems to hit the hardest for me.

01:56:39.220 Um, this guy, and I quote, you know, apparently Obama has, uh, spent $65,000, um, flying in pizza and hot dogs from Chicago to the White House.

01:56:56.860 Yes, and this is in the WikiLeaks, we can give you the reference here.

01:56:59.920 Yes, yeah, I mean, this is, this was verified, this is verified in the WikiLeaks, so this is an email, literally, I mean, it's, you've probably already, if you, if you're familiar with this, you've probably seen this email first and foremost, because it makes the least sense.

01:57:13.260 And, and here's why.

01:57:15.540 First of all, uh, food is not allowed from the outside world into the White House.

01:57:22.540 It's an obvious assassination vulnerability through the ability to poison the president or, you know, other White House personnel with poison, right?

01:57:31.280 So, all food served to anyone in the White House is prepared from scratch, on-site, by screened cooks and personnel.

01:57:40.100 So, it makes zero sense, the idea of shipping in, uh, pizza and hot dogs from Chicago to the tune of $65,000.

01:57:49.320 Now, uh, and, and the use of the words pizza and hot dogs is interesting, because, again, if you're familiar with Chan culture back in the day before, you know, when the internet was a bit more Wild West-ish, you know that pizza means little girl.

01:58:06.860 Well, and hot dog means little boy. 0.99

01:58:11.400 So, it's, fuck him. 1.00

01:58:14.460 Now, and who sent the email? 1.00

01:58:18.360 If you look at the WikiLeaks email, if I'm not, it's one of the, one of the directors of Stratfor.

01:58:25.240 Yes.

01:58:25.860 Now, if you guys know anything about Stratfor, they are basically the British version of Blackwater.

01:58:31.200 And if you know any, the, the, the, the last, the thing that stands out in my mind that they were involved in is they were exposed, um, it was a WikiLeak where they were working with, um, Saudi and Qatari agents in an attempt to false flag orchestrate a Saron attack in Syria and blame it on Assad.

01:58:52.660 That's how deep this goes.

01:58:55.420 Yeah.

01:58:55.900 Oh, geez.

01:58:56.580 But you know what? 1.00

01:58:57.240 Once again, so, all of our elites are bisexual pedophiles, and boy, why am I not surprised? 1.00

01:59:05.940 Liberals truly are everything horrible they accuse us of and more. 1.00

01:59:11.600 You are the synagogue of Satan, and you are the sons of Satan because you do his work. 1.00

01:59:17.660 To quote Jonathan Bowden, liberalism is moral syphilis, and I am stepping over it. 0.95

01:59:23.280 I mean, just, just another little example.

01:59:27.380 I mean, let's take a look at the inside of this guy, uh, Tony Pades' house.

01:59:32.500 I mean, okay.

01:59:34.700 First of all, he's got this solid gold statue, right?

01:59:38.880 Of a human being that is headless, and bent over backwards in exactly, in exactly the same

01:59:50.780 fashion that Jeffrey Dahmer posed and photographed one of his victims to get off on, I guess.

01:59:57.040 Oh, come on. 1.00

01:59:57.660 You, you must, you must give a source of that shit. 1.00

02:00:00.340 I am not. 1.00

02:00:01.620 Dude, this is well documented.

02:00:03.720 I mean. 1.00

02:00:04.020 Let me see that shit, let me see that shit. 1.00

02:00:06.260 Yeah, I've seen the pictures, it's true. 1.00

02:00:08.240 Grief, grief, we'll get it to you after the show. 1.00

02:00:10.580 Oh, yeah, holy fucking shit. 1.00

02:00:12.020 But I can confirm, I've seen the, I've seen it. 1.00

02:00:15.680 Yes.

02:00:16.280 So anybody who wants the citations on this, again, you know, message, message James or I,

02:00:21.360 and we'll, we'll, we'll get them for you.

02:00:23.320 Absolutely.

02:00:24.000 Uh, yeah, you can, you can, uh, I'll put my, we'll put my Twitter in the show notes or something.

02:00:28.880 You can, I'll give you any of this that I've found so far, gladly.

02:00:32.440 But yes, uh, I mean, it's, it's undeniable.

02:00:36.180 It's like, it's a perfect replica in solid gold.

02:00:39.840 Gee, I don't know why they like gold.

02:00:42.280 Uh, but that is absolutely, uh, it's one of, I mean, it's headless.

02:00:49.640 It's in this exact same pose and it is disgusting.

02:00:54.180 And the other artwork in this man's house, and this is where it gets really, this is where

02:00:59.320 it gets even weirder.

02:01:00.160 There are paintings by this one specific artist all over his house, uh, that appears

02:01:06.780 to be, they don't look alive to me.

02:01:10.060 They look like dead little girls at the bottom of an empty swimming pool.

02:01:14.520 And other, other paintings that again, look like dead little girls in a pond out somewhere.

02:01:20.360 And, and this other one, this is particularly disturbing.

02:01:24.820 Uh, it's of a little boy, uh, tied up with ropes being dangled on the side of an, of an

02:01:32.860 empty swimming pool.

02:01:33.980 Like almost as if, I don't know, they, a swimming pool, an empty swimming pool is a good place

02:01:39.360 to get rid of evidence or something. 0.99

02:01:41.760 Like, I don't know, it's almost some Dexter type shit, man. 0.97

02:01:46.440 It's, it's really, I mean, all this, I mean, there's no smoking guns here. 0.98

02:01:50.720 I'll admit that.

02:01:51.460 I mean, there's no bodies.

02:01:52.560 There's no, but I mean, there's no smoke without fire, man.

02:01:55.560 And there, there's a lot of smoke.

02:01:57.100 I mean, this was the same guy who did this spirit cooking stuff with Abramovich.

02:02:01.540 And that's, and that's what, that's what popularized all this.

02:02:05.620 That explosion of that, you know, scandal sent people digging through these emails and all

02:02:12.120 of this weird stuff, all this code of language was found through that.

02:02:17.760 What do you mean?

02:02:18.940 Pedirista is more like it, not Podesta. 1.00

02:02:21.980 Fuck you. 1.00

02:02:22.360 Yeah, Molesta. 1.00

02:02:23.120 And, uh, well, let's see, let's see, there's a, there was a band, uh, recently, not before

02:02:31.540 all of this exploded, they're called the Sex Stains, right? 0.92

02:02:34.500 Yeah, of course they're called the Sex Stains. 0.89

02:02:36.860 Uh, and in their music video, uh, one of the songs they perform there, there is a blatant,

02:02:43.140 obvious, the same spiral, uh, triangular symbol that is the Nambla's symbol of boy love.

02:02:51.200 So, I mean, it's like, these people are just throwing it out there.

02:02:58.580 Do you have anything, uh, now, do you have anything on the, um, the Epstein connection?

02:03:05.940 Well, that's, that's one of the harder, more factual things that we could say.

02:03:10.200 I mean, uh, Bill Clinton has been to Mr. Epstein's, who's, by the way, is a convicted pedophile.

02:03:17.100 Uh, he's been to his island on multiple occasions.

02:03:22.640 Uh, he's flown on his, what has been called, either laughingly or seriously, Lolita Express

02:03:29.260 airline multiple times.

02:03:31.540 Hillary Clinton has been to the island a few times herself.

02:03:35.080 Um, there was a, and every time Bill Clinton flew on Epstein's jet, he would leave behind

02:03:40.160 his Secret Service detail.

02:03:41.220 Yes, he would, yes, he would have to ditch, of course, he would have to ditch his Secret 0.99

02:03:46.440 Service detail to fly, you know, to go hang out with his, uh, Jewish billionaire pedophile 0.99

02:03:52.900 friend. 0.99

02:03:54.360 To do, you know, to do what, I wonder.

02:03:58.380 Gee.

02:03:59.920 No, but they didn't, and if you've seen the pictures of the island, if you've seen the pictures

02:04:03.960 of the island, there's like a temple on it.

02:04:05.860 There's a temple to Moloch on the island.

02:04:07.420 Yeah, it literally looks like a Babylonian temple, like the top of the Babylonian temple.

02:04:13.880 So, uh, gee, I sure wonder what can be below that.

02:04:19.320 Now, and it's, it's also interesting what this pizza parlor is close to, uh, in Washington,

02:04:26.680 D.C. itself.

02:04:28.040 It's on Connecticut Avenue, and let's see.

02:04:30.440 So, you've got Comet Ping Pong Pizza right here.

02:04:32.520 Directly next door is another, another place, Bucks, also owned, uh, oh, let's, oh, get 0.99

02:04:38.520 this.

02:04:38.860 The LLC he owns is named Big Cheese.

02:04:42.800 Uh, James Elefantis.

02:04:44.520 His LLC is called Big Cheese.

02:04:46.800 Okay.

02:04:49.200 Right, and then directly next door to that is Bista Pizza, Bista, or Besta, am I saying

02:04:54.560 that right for him?

02:04:55.620 Besta.

02:04:56.320 Yeah.

02:04:56.540 Yeah, Besta. 0.99

02:04:57.100 Okay, and it's the Italian word for beast, so beast pizza is the one with the actual fucking 0.99

02:05:02.040 pedophile logo as their, as their business logo is a pizzeria. 0.98

02:05:08.920 And then, uh, let's see, across the street, like, directly across the street is Beyond Borders,

02:05:15.100 which is a charity focused on, uh, uh, ending child trafficking and kidnapping of Haitian girls

02:05:23.980 funded by the Clinton Foundation.

02:05:27.640 Directly across the street.

02:05:28.800 That's weird.

02:05:29.180 And directly next door to that is this place called Terrasol.

02:05:35.660 Uh, it's kind of, it's a bookstore, uh, that also has, like, other pedophilia symbols,

02:05:42.460 like the, the symbol for girl love is in there as well.

02:05:45.740 Oh, come on. 0.87

02:05:45.960 And Hillary Clinton has been photographed in there, uh, with the staff of the place.

02:05:50.380 And all of this is within a city block of each other in Washington, D.C., and it's within

02:05:57.800 four minutes driving distance from John Podesta's house.

02:06:01.560 And now, now, and on the Comet, uh, Instagram, there are many pictures of them digging very

02:06:08.080 deep concrete tunnels in their basements.

02:06:10.360 Yeah, there, I mean, there's, like, it's, it's really weird.

02:06:13.080 I mean, like, it's just odd.

02:06:14.840 Like, wow, you're, you've got this gigantic crater in the floor in the basement of your

02:06:21.180 pizzeria.

02:06:22.100 I wonder what, like, why?

02:06:23.980 I don't know.

02:06:24.820 Maybe, there was some plumbing, maybe, I suppose, possibly, but, yeah. 0.99

02:06:32.400 Fucking hell. 0.99

02:06:36.800 Let's see. 0.99

02:06:37.700 Where do we go from here on this?

02:06:39.220 I mean, there's just, there's so much, there's so much in here.

02:06:44.280 I'd like to, uh, bring attention to Kathy O'Brien, who claims that she was raped by Hillary 0.84

02:06:51.740 Clinton.

02:06:52.920 Uh, she made these claims in the 70s, and not a great deal came of them.

02:06:58.560 But, uh, that's something interesting that the viewer might want to investigate, or the

02:07:01.960 listener, or might wish to investigate more.

02:07:05.300 Definitely.

02:07:05.820 Now, look, okay, let's get, brace yourself.

02:07:11.420 All right.

02:07:12.640 The artwork of a woman named Kim Noble has, uh, been on display at Comet Ping Pong Pizza.

02:07:23.540 Now, Kim Noble draws these kind of simplistic watercolor, watercolor-type paintings, um, that she

02:07:32.260 claims is not painted by her, but is, in fact, painted by one of her multiple personalities.

02:07:38.000 Now, she's been diagnosed with disassociative identity disorder, um, which is pretty much

02:07:45.980 inflicted by childhood sexual trauma in most cases. 0.99

02:07:50.960 Fucking hell. 0.99

02:07:51.860 And it's weird, because, you know, all of the paintings that this altar of hers paints 1.00

02:07:57.680 seems to depict a, a ritual act of child rape. 1.00

02:08:04.800 Fuck. 1.00

02:08:06.480 I mean, these, these paintings... 1.00

02:08:07.800 They're highly, highly destroying.

02:08:09.260 They're, in my opinion, they're, they're some of the most gamming.

02:08:12.140 I mean, I mean, it's just, uh...

02:08:14.580 And these people, I mean, even, and this is what I was going to get into at the end of

02:08:19.000 this, you know, is that, look, even if these people are not physically carrying this stuff

02:08:24.560 out, even if, even if this is just some sick fetish, uh, you know, that, that they

02:08:32.680 entertain out of edginess, or, or, or it's what they get off on, it shows that our elites,

02:08:40.540 our ruling class, have diverged from us so hard that they're not us anymore.

02:08:45.880 They don't, they, they shouldn't be ruling our societies anymore, at the very least.

02:08:49.780 I mean, even if they're not physically carrying this stuff.

02:08:51.620 Yeah, and I think what I want, you know, and that's, I think that here's the message,

02:08:55.480 and we'll continue back into this, and this is what we've been trying to show you on

02:08:58.860 Mysterium Fashies with our different Kali Yuga news stories.

02:09:01.300 This is the critical thing, okay?

02:09:04.160 We are not being hyperbolic, we're not exaggerating, you know, we are not, um, blowing up, uh, the

02:09:11.560 meaning of our words.

02:09:12.320 At any rate, when we say that we are fighting the synagogue of Satan, the men whom we are 0.75

02:09:17.160 fighting are the forces of evil, quite literally, you know, these are who they, hold on, these

02:09:23.140 are who they are.

02:09:23.980 And when we say that these men, they hate you, they want, you know, and they're coming

02:09:29.100 for you, and that if you continue to do what we're doing here, that you're going to face,

02:09:34.640 uh, imprisonment, you're going to face, uh, death, theft, they're going to try to take

02:09:39.860 your children and do this to them.

02:09:42.300 This is what it means.

02:09:44.840 Let's be under no illusions about what it means to be here talking about these things,

02:09:49.600 but who we're talking about, but what we have to do.

02:09:51.880 Yeah, I'm, I'm looking at this Kim, Kim Nollar, right now.

02:10:01.400 It's, it's not easy to look at.

02:10:03.040 Yeah, I mean, this, this is, I don't know, if this isn't some, some, some, some, uh, some, 0.98

02:10:09.420 uh, psychological coping mechanism or some shit, this is demonic. 0.79

02:10:14.620 Like, it, it, it, it's like, it's like shadowy figures coming on, on cages of, of, uh, small 0.99

02:10:21.860 children. 1.00

02:10:22.840 That's what this shit is. 1.00

02:10:24.720 Yeah. 1.00

02:10:25.080 Yeah.

02:10:25.380 I mean.

02:10:25.680 I'm not joking.

02:10:26.760 Drink some whiskey before you look at this stuff.

02:10:28.740 It, it's not, uh. 0.98

02:10:30.740 I should have fucking got some alcohol. 0.99

02:10:32.400 They, they, they, they, fucking hell. 1.00

02:10:34.580 Feel free to step away. 1.00

02:10:35.620 Now, James, continue.

02:10:36.240 It's hard.

02:10:37.340 So, in the other, like, legislative, okay, since this stuff has been coming out, it's odd.

02:10:44.200 It's odd.

02:10:44.620 That all of these child trafficking rings, I mean, all over the, all over the Western

02:10:48.200 world have been getting, uh, busted.

02:10:50.480 It's almost like somebody's trying to tie up loose ends, get rid of people that may talk

02:10:54.360 or, you know, put, but, uh, that's speculative.

02:10:57.380 Okay.

02:10:57.640 But here's, here's what actually happened.

02:10:59.700 Here's what we do know.

02:11:00.680 Uh, within 48, on October 18th, about, within about 48 hours of Anthony Weiner's laptop being

02:11:07.360 confiscated by the NYPD, um, 41 Nebraskans were arrested during national human

02:11:14.360 trafficking sting.

02:11:15.100 Uh, so, that's a little weird.

02:11:21.320 Uh, the FBI, they said they, they freed about 82 sexually exploited minors, mostly from the

02:11:28.760 Central American, uh, Central, uh, yeah, Central American region, you know, like Mexico and Guatemala

02:11:34.100 and all that.

02:11:34.600 Um, and they arrested, let's see, 239 pimps and other individuals were arrested during the

02:11:42.280 operation.

02:11:42.840 So, it's not only in America, then?

02:11:46.340 No, no, no, no.

02:11:47.500 And this, there was also, uh, again, there was another one recently, it was in, uh, Norway.

02:11:53.280 Norway.

02:11:53.820 I've got the story here if you want me to read it.

02:11:55.780 Yeah, go ahead.

02:11:56.320 Go ahead.

02:11:56.760 Wasn't it, wasn't it a couple of Swedes in that ring as well?

02:12:00.200 I'm not certain.

02:12:00.940 Now, let's, this is from, uh, Global Times from Jinois, a Chinese official news agency.

02:12:05.900 51 men involved in extensive pedophilia networks in Norway, the Norwegian police, and this is

02:12:10.360 from, uh, Monday, October 22nd, or, uh, November 22nd.

02:12:14.040 Norwegian police have identified 51 men, including politicians, a jurist, and a preschool teacher,

02:12:18.680 who are involved in a massive pedophile network that promoted the sexual abuse of children

02:12:23.120 to local media reported on Monday.

02:12:25.460 Norwegian police have worked on Operation Darkroom since September 2015 in one of the biggest

02:12:29.800 child abuse cases in the country's history, according to the newspaper Often Post.

02:12:33.180 Of the 51 people identified as culprits are men, 20 of them having been arrested in the

02:12:39.940 Western Police District based in Bergen.

02:12:42.220 Of the 16 people held in custody in the district, two of them have already been convicted.

02:12:46.460 Police have seized 150 terabytes of data.

02:12:50.300 The names of an additional 31 Norwegians involved have been found in other police districts.

02:12:54.120 Yes, just FYI, I literally saw that same thing, that, that, that news coverage on, uh, the state

02:13:02.880 media's, uh, TV news show a couple of days ago. 0.99

02:13:06.320 So this isn't some, some cooked up shit. 0.99

02:13:08.780 That's really good stuff. 0.99

02:13:10.380 That's really good news.

02:13:11.040 Yeah, no, I, so I, I think, um, you know, and this, and I think that this is, if there's

02:13:20.160 anything that this can demonstrate to us, is like I said, and I think this point cannot

02:13:24.700 be emphasized enough.

02:13:26.700 There's, there's no exaggeration.

02:13:28.440 There's no exaggeration when we speak, under the, the, the, the fires of passion, speaking

02:13:37.280 in the most sober and cold tones, describing most technically what's going on, right?

02:13:44.020 This is it.

02:13:44.880 You know, it's quite literally the international financial elite, the synagogue of Satan and

02:13:50.260 their allies.

02:13:51.180 This is what they are doing.

02:13:53.180 Yeah.

02:13:54.200 These men sacrificed children to Moloch.

02:13:56.420 And it's not, um, it's not something new either.

02:14:01.680 It's just the future that they want.

02:14:03.760 According to, according to the Talmud, no, no, according to the Talmud, it's, it's not

02:14:08.100 even adultery.

02:14:10.860 No, it's not.

02:14:12.640 This, if you read, read the Holy Scripture, read, read the books of prophets.

02:14:16.360 This is exactly what the Jews were doing when they turned away from God in the Old Testament.

02:14:21.460 Yeah.

02:14:21.660 They, they, they began to sacrifice their children to Moloch. 0.81

02:14:26.420 You know, this is the natural state of them when they betray God.

02:14:29.140 And of course, at the coming of our Lord, they betrayed him conclusively.

02:14:32.320 So, I mean, it stretches back a long time, too.

02:14:37.240 I mean, the, uh, so-called blood libel from the Middle Ages and previously.

02:14:41.840 I mean, that's essentially the same thing.

02:14:43.860 Blood libel, yes.

02:14:44.720 So, blood libel, for those of our listeners who don't know, is Jews during Yom Kippur, 0.74

02:14:51.200 their Day of Atonement, would sacrifice an animal to God in expiation of their sins.

02:14:55.240 This is where the scapegoat comes from, that the animal takes on the guilt of all of their

02:14:59.200 sins.

02:14:59.820 So, you might have seen pictures of Jewish rabbis swinging chickens around. 0.90

02:15:02.520 Well, that's what they do.

02:15:03.640 Now, the accusation was, over many different places and many different times throughout 0.63

02:15:09.400 the Middle Ages, is that some Jews would kidnap Gentile children and sacrifice them on Yom 0.89

02:15:15.800 Kippur.

02:15:16.200 And so, this, this, uh, this whole, one of the things that this whole, you know, uh,

02:15:23.960 Pizzagate elucidate, you know, brings to force, there's really no doubt in my mind that this

02:15:28.000 is, uh, at least some of these claims must have been, uh, legitimate.

02:15:32.240 Yes, I mean, we have records of Middle Ages, of, um, in the Middle Ages, they did investigations

02:15:38.340 and we have the records of these investigations.

02:15:40.740 And it does seem that, like, uh, many times it was legitimate and there are proofs, uh, accumulated

02:15:45.740 and everything.

02:15:46.600 So, there's no real reason to doubt it.

02:15:49.920 The Talmud does teach that the Goyim are animals, so this is perfectly theologically in line 1.00

02:15:54.740 with, uh, Judaism as a religion.

02:16:00.440 Yes.

02:16:01.640 Yes, essentially. 1.00

02:16:03.480 I mean, they, they can do that shit at Koran Tertalmud, they can literally sacrifice your 1.00

02:16:06.940 own children, as long as they're not the ones putting it in the fire. 1.00

02:16:12.380 It's sick.

02:16:13.080 It's all this legalism, it makes no sense from any perspective, but I guess, I don't

02:16:20.780 know, I, I think they, they, they fool themselves to thinking that, uh, the world works this way

02:16:26.380 and, uh, they just do it.

02:16:28.280 Because obviously there's no way to, like, even what they're still doing, because they're

02:16:31.880 still doing it, like the sacrificing chickens to pass on their sins, like they do the twirling

02:16:37.320 the chicken, I don't remember what's the name of that holiday, but, uh, they, they still

02:16:42.100 do that.

02:16:43.220 It's the same thing, then, it's Yom Kippur. 0.88

02:16:45.680 And, uh, yeah, of course, even from a pagan magical perspective, there is no way that that

02:16:51.360 would even work.

02:16:52.840 I mean, you can't transmit your own guilt to some, to some other animal.

02:16:56.740 I mean, it's, it's meaningless.

02:16:58.360 Well, you gotta understand that modern Judaism was essentially just an evolution of them trying 1.00

02:17:05.460 to, to Jew God. 0.98

02:17:07.960 Yes, of course.

02:17:08.380 Over, over thousands of years.

02:17:09.880 I mean, indeed.

02:17:11.120 And in the Old Testament, religion, which has been, oh, sorry. 0.99

02:17:14.120 I wanted to finish this, because it was mentioned, um, shit, I forgot what book. 0.75

02:17:19.640 I want to say, it wasn't Malachi, Jeremiah, I think, where he says, you are trying to cheat 0.97

02:17:26.740 God.

02:17:27.840 You sacrifice the sick and the lame. 0.98

02:17:31.480 God, it's like, would you, it's like, how about you try feeding that to your governor,

02:17:37.160 and you dare to give this to God, and if you continue to cheat him, you will feel his

02:17:42.320 wrath.

02:17:42.760 And, uh, it just kept going down, you know, just kept on, they, they never stopped. 1.00

02:17:48.720 That's why eventually God said, you know what, fuck you, you're not my chosen anymore. 1.00

02:17:53.060 And, uh, I hope some guy with a really cool mustache comes and fucking annihilates you 1.00

02:17:58.540 all, and if only he finished the job. 1.00

02:18:04.860 When the Jews traded in the temple in the New Testament, this is very symbolic of their

02:18:10.140 willingness to defile anything that is holy for their own gain.

02:18:14.420 Exactly.

02:18:15.400 And if you look at the Old Testament, the offering was one of penitence.

02:18:20.200 It was a symbol that you are willing to sacrifice of yourself for God's glory, because cattle have

02:18:25.660 universally and everywhere been a symbol of wealth.

02:18:27.700 And, but of course, with, with the new covenant, that sacrifice has been made in our Lord Jesus

02:18:35.540 Christ, who took all of the sins of the world upon himself.

02:18:38.620 We've covered this before on our show and the difference between these modern Talmudic

02:18:42.360 Phariseean Jews, so-called, and the religion of the Old Testament and the Hebrews and the

02:18:48.300 covenant of the patriarch Abraham.

02:18:49.960 So, um, I suggest you go check out the episode we did on Judaism.

02:18:54.760 Now, James, do you have anything else you'd like to bring forward as part of your investigation?

02:18:59.920 Uh, we can go through a few more of these emails that are really damning, uh, that contain

02:19:04.760 the coded words that they, they speak of.

02:19:07.920 Um, there was an email sent to, uh, yeah, to John Podesta here.

02:19:14.200 Right.

02:19:14.520 All right.

02:19:16.580 So, apparently, there's this theory out there that maybe, as part of, as part of control,

02:19:24.820 these people do these things, right?

02:19:27.220 They commit these crimes against children, and they have this, and their superiors have

02:19:32.540 this evidence against them to ensure loyalty, right?

02:19:35.700 So, that, that's an idea that's out there as to what all of this means and what it's for

02:19:44.360 on a practical governmental sense.

02:19:46.400 So, uh, and this email is a little odd in relation to that.

02:19:51.760 Um, uh, this is from Susan and Herb to, uh, to one of the Podesta brothers.

02:19:59.000 It says, I just came from checking the field house, and I have a square cloth handkerchief,

02:20:05.060 white with black, that was left in the kitchen island.

02:20:09.180 Happy to send it via mail, and I'll let you know where I should send it.

02:20:12.680 Uh, and then, a follow-up to that, yeah.

02:20:17.440 The realtor found a handkerchief.

02:20:19.360 I think it has a map that seems pizza-related.

02:20:23.860 Is it yours?

02:20:24.940 They can send it if they want.

02:20:26.400 So, okay, again, obviously this is coded language, but pizza obviously refers to little

02:20:36.180 girls, and if, uh, the paintings in John Podesta's house is any indication, uh, he would seem

02:20:43.920 to like little girls.

02:20:45.900 Uh, so, let's look at, um, and you can also look up, uh, handkerchief code.

02:20:53.480 The, the, the handkerchief reference, uh, has significance as well, because there is

02:20:58.180 such thing as handkerchief code, and they-

02:21:01.260 Well, that's a very common, very common, uh, practice in, you know, the gay BDSM leather 0.83

02:21:05.220 community, is you stick the, the handkerchief color represents the, your kink. 0.90

02:21:10.040 So, like, if you're into piss, you've got a yellow one as an example. 1.00

02:21:13.320 Shit, it's brown. 1.00

02:21:14.320 Fucking hell. 1.00

02:21:15.300 And so you put that in your back pocket, and so you can find guys whose kinks you're into. 0.99

02:21:19.360 Oh, jeez, you think that's bad, Zyger? 1.00

02:21:21.920 Wait till you read the, um, MPC Institute for Advanced Homophobia.

02:21:25.480 I'll just give you a sample. 0.99

02:21:26.860 It starts with a guy who says, well, I'd estimate I've had around 3,000 men up my butt. 0.99

02:21:32.760 3,000. 0.99

02:21:33.860 Custing.

02:21:34.220 Now, but, in this case, the, the black on the, uh, handkerchief symbolizes a desire

02:21:43.080 for BDSM, and the white symbolizes a desire for someone who is under age.

02:21:51.500 That's the handkerchief code that is specifically being spoken about in these emails between Podesta

02:21:56.700 and, uh, whoever Susan and Herb are.

02:22:00.140 So, just plain white is, is Peter?

02:22:05.360 Yeah, just the, the plain white handkerchief means...

02:22:08.400 I mean, it's, it's not more complex, it's just plain white?

02:22:11.640 No, plain white, it symbolizes innocence, right?

02:22:14.380 Purity, right?

02:22:15.400 I'm a...

02:22:15.980 Also, it might be interesting to note that, um, she, she talks about a map.

02:22:22.660 Map would be, like, evidence, something like that, like, something tracing back to...

02:22:27.080 Right, and it is theorized that map in their, in their slang, this is not one that I've

02:22:33.140 ever encountered pouring over this stuff before through Tor stuff to try to get familiar with

02:22:38.980 this lingo.

02:22:39.540 I, I, I didn't find any references to map, but it does make sense that it means like a

02:22:44.560 DNA map, like a, you know...

02:22:46.300 Yeah, like blood or, or other...

02:22:48.980 Yeah, or semen, or, right, you know, uh, so maybe these, these handkerchiefs that contain

02:22:56.300 these bodily fluids are kept as a, something to hold over someone's head to make sure that 0.51

02:23:03.180 they never betray someone, or, you know, the circle, or the...

02:23:06.440 Yes, well, that's one of the angles, I think, that's important to cover.

02:23:09.440 Why is this going on?

02:23:10.940 Well, think about it like this.

02:23:13.340 Uh, if you know a politician's a pederast, you have complete control over him, he will

02:23:18.480 do whatever you want in order to stop being exposed.

02:23:21.360 Yeah, exactly.

02:23:22.720 And it's a comment, now, the KGB and CIA talk about this, you know, it's a way of controlling

02:23:26.980 people.

02:23:27.980 And so if you can, you know, if you can entice a politician into, you know, sleeping with

02:23:31.540 an underage girl, and you've got cameras on in the room, you've got them in your pocket.

02:23:37.760 Yeah, that's been something Anonymous Conservative has been suspecting on his blog for a while

02:23:42.640 now, and, well, now we all know that, yeah, it's true. 0.98

02:23:46.200 Just that, like you said about the blackmail, uh, fucking potential, this is some real sick 1.00

02:23:53.600 deep state shit. 0.99

02:23:56.020 Like, this goes, like, it kinda, kinda does go into all the conspiracy stuff, like, yeah, 0.99

02:24:01.540 hey, no, the people that you think are running the show, no, they're not running the show. 0.96

02:24:06.360 There really is some Satan-worshipping fucking FBI and CIA guys behind it all, holding them 0.99

02:24:13.420 up. 0.99

02:24:13.580 Yeah, you like to touch kids, so vote this way, congressman.

02:24:20.120 Ugh, God.

02:24:21.680 If I wasn't, if I wasn't so already rendered, um, completely embittered and cynical, this

02:24:29.360 would actually make me sick, but, fortunately, I don't have any faith in humanity.

02:24:35.740 So, this is just, uh, pretty standard.

02:24:38.560 This is definitely an opportunity to show people who are still not fully against the status

02:24:44.120 quo exactly what the elites are capable of doing.

02:24:46.900 And that's the thing to understand, is, you know, people who support the regime, either

02:24:55.200 knowingly or unknowingly, are supporting this.

02:24:59.400 Anyone who is capable of moral indignation can be reached with this.

02:25:03.780 It'll definitely change a person's worldview when the evil web Nazis are the only people 0.84

02:25:11.760 who seem to care about your...

02:25:13.500 Yeah, I think that one of the most important things right now is, you know, this needs to

02:25:16.780 be compiled and in effective propaganda, and we need to weaponize this.

02:25:20.520 This could radicalize so many people.

02:25:23.200 Yeah, uh, I will say there, there are a few, there are a few YouTube sources out there that

02:25:27.680 are quite good.

02:25:28.680 Um, Reality Speaks is a, uh, good YouTube channel.

02:25:33.700 It, uh, sounds like a young, uh, British girl, you know, concrete evidence about this so far

02:25:42.200 and doesn't speculate too hard.

02:25:43.800 Uh, she's done pretty well in compiling all of this and makes pretty good videos on the

02:25:49.300 subject.

02:25:50.160 She also has a very ASMR-worthy voice.

02:25:53.460 It's true.

02:25:54.660 That might be a little annoying.

02:25:56.120 It annoys me a little bit.

02:25:57.680 But, I mean... 1.00

02:25:58.760 Hey, what the fuck, man? 0.99

02:26:01.520 Oh, sorry. 0.99

02:26:03.840 I'm having to fucking do some programming shit while I'm talking to you guys. 0.88

02:26:08.080 Edit that out. 0.98

02:26:09.860 Yeah, that's fine.

02:26:11.440 Um, while, um, Florin's away, might speak about, like, something, something similar to

02:26:17.320 this happened, and I think it might be good for people to go investigate that to, um, get

02:26:24.000 an idea of how long this has been going on and how extensive it is.

02:26:28.100 Uh, it's something called the Macmillan, uh, elementary school scandal.

02:26:32.700 This happened in the 90s.

02:26:34.640 Now, this was something, like, really big, but it was buried very quickly.

02:26:38.300 And when you see the extent of what was going on, it's kind of mind-blowing.

02:26:43.680 But this was, uh, elementary school.

02:26:45.940 And at some point, a lot of children simultaneously started complaining that they were being, um,

02:26:51.540 molested, being photographed, and all of that to parents.

02:26:54.780 And there was a big investigation when these children started complaining.

02:26:58.940 And what happened was that a group of psychiatrists invented a new syndrome called the, um,

02:27:06.440 invented memory syndrome, or artificial memory syndrome.

02:27:10.080 And they basically said that all of these memories that these children had of being molested

02:27:15.000 were invented, basically.

02:27:17.500 It was a brand new concept that, uh, you know, all of this was artificial and didn't exist.

02:27:23.020 And basically that they were programmed to believe that they were molested by the, the previous

02:27:28.680 psychologist who examined them.

02:27:30.620 So this was, it's complete nonsense.

02:27:32.720 And a small investigation in these people who invented the, um, constructed memory syndrome

02:27:38.480 shows that they were actually pedophiles themselves.

02:27:41.420 I mean, they, they were editors in a pedophile magazine and things like that. 0.71

02:27:44.860 It was horrible stuff. 1.00

02:27:46.040 Fucking hell. 0.99

02:27:46.900 Now, that is one thing. 0.99

02:27:47.980 And later, like many, several years later, the school closed down and a red, uh, construction

02:27:53.820 company was hired to do, I think, uh, sewer work or something like that.

02:27:59.360 And when they demolished pavement around the school, they found a network of tunnels below

02:28:05.980 the school.

02:28:06.580 And it had like cells and dungeons and it was like a very large, extensive network.

02:28:12.500 And of course that was, was kind of like, nobody made the connection at that point, but

02:28:17.260 it's, it's very sick.

02:28:18.660 And it was like very extensive, this, um, the number of children that were molested and all

02:28:23.900 that.

02:28:24.600 So it just gives you an idea of this, this thing it's called the Macmillan, uh, elementary

02:28:29.640 school scandal.

02:28:30.780 You can go look at that up and it's quite interesting.

02:28:33.060 Yeah.

02:28:33.380 There's another one I want to toss into the mix here.

02:28:38.520 Uh, this is a fellow by the name of Ted Gunderson and I'm just pulling from the Wikipedia and

02:28:41.740 somebody, I saw this on HN the other night, but it's interesting.

02:28:44.140 None of the last, so this guy was an American FBI special agent in charge here of the head

02:28:48.440 of the Los Angeles FBI.

02:28:50.580 Um, you know, and basically according to his son, he worked on the Marilyn Monroe and John

02:28:55.240 F. Kennedy cases.

02:28:56.540 Um, and he was the bestselling author of a book, how to locate anyone anywhere.

02:28:59.320 Now what's interesting is he says now, um, also investigated child molestation and trial

02:29:08.380 in Manhattan beach, California in a 1995 conference in Dallas and warned about the supposed proliferation

02:29:15.180 of secret satanic groups and the danger posed by the new world order, an alleged shadow government

02:29:20.260 that would be controlling the U S government.

02:29:22.140 Hmm.

02:29:22.980 He also claimed that a slave auction in which men were sold to men, sold to men in turbans

02:29:27.900 had been held in Las Vegas.

02:29:30.320 The 4,000 ritual, the, and also that 4,000 ritual human sacrifices are performed in New York

02:29:36.080 city every year.

02:29:36.940 He also claimed that the 1995 ball bombing of the Alan P. Murrah federal building in Oklahoma

02:29:41.800 city was carried out by the U S government.

02:29:44.200 Anderson believed that in the U S there was a widespread network of groups who kidnapped children,

02:29:49.200 infants, and subjected to satanic ritual abuse and subsequent human sacrifice.

02:29:54.740 I wouldn't be surprised at more.

02:29:58.420 And this guy, this guy, this guy, you know, a real FBI agent, highly respected, you know,

02:30:03.100 he's not some, some frivolous, you know, fringe, uh, fellow.

02:30:06.940 Wait, this guy was a literal FBI agent.

02:30:09.220 Yes.

02:30:09.480 He was an FBI, he was the director of the FBI field investigation office in Los Angeles.

02:30:14.820 In Los Angeles.

02:30:15.720 Oh, wow.

02:30:16.820 I, you know, I, I believe him.

02:30:18.300 I believe him.

02:30:19.300 Yeah. 0.97

02:30:20.500 So just, uh, you know, just to toss this in for you, this has been a fucking Cali U the 0.93

02:30:24.360 news segment, if there ever has been one. 0.78

02:30:27.780 So, uh, if I may, it's odd right now.

02:30:31.580 Please go ahead.

02:30:32.160 In fact, it shouldn't be, this should not be surprising to anyone, but, um, just trying

02:30:39.440 to find the recent, you know, recent crime reports of all of these child trafficking rings

02:30:46.060 that are suddenly being shut down, found, um, just Googling the term human trafficking returns

02:30:55.800 an entire front page on Google of nothing but results of mainstream media websites tackling

02:31:04.720 the Pizzagate scandal, trying to, you know, debunk it, right?

02:31:11.100 So that's a little odd.

02:31:13.120 I don't know.

02:31:14.980 Yeah.

02:31:15.480 And you can look at, like, Snopes, or, like, debunking the Pizzagate, and it's like, well,

02:31:20.300 no, it's false, because, look, we, we interviewed a James Elephantus, and he said it's not true.

02:31:25.160 So, uh, oh, oh, oh, and, oh, yeah, let's, let's just, um, let's just take a look at a

02:31:32.480 moment, particularly the New York Times piece that tackles this, uh, addresses none of the

02:31:39.060 facts, none of the art exhibits that have ever been there, none of the bands that have ever

02:31:42.520 performed there, none of the actual, uh, no emails that were leaked to WikiLeaks, none

02:31:47.860 of that. They tackle none of that. Oh, but let's look at this author. Oh, wow, look, this,

02:31:56.320 the author of this very article doing this takedown, uh, not that long ago published an article for

02:32:03.860 New York Times with the headline of Pedophilia, a Disorder, Not a Crime. Well, do you want to talk

02:32:13.180 about the, uh, Reddit CEO? Sure, uh, the Reddit CEO, um, this is kind of, sort of, uh, loosely

02:32:24.440 kind of connected. Uh, it turns out, uh, the CEO of Reddit, and Head Adam, of course, as well,

02:32:31.260 he goes by Spez on, on the, on the side. Um, he, he got trolled pretty hard by the Donald Trump

02:32:39.260 subreddit, which, you know, has 300,000 people somehow. That's amazing, on Reddit. But anyway,

02:32:47.520 um, he, he was, he was triggered so hard, apparently, that he started editing the input

02:32:55.800 of people that were submitting content to his wedding. Now, there are consequences of that,

02:33:04.220 uh, and, and you lose certain, you lose certain, you know, uh, plausible deniability when you do

02:33:10.920 that. There are these things called, uh, safe harbor laws. And it's why Moot is not in prison

02:33:18.120 for child porn, right? Because he, he's like, look, they submit content. I don't edit the content.

02:33:25.820 I'm hands off of whatever, whatever somebody submits to my website is their own, uh, liability

02:33:32.940 and responsibility, right? But even though he owns servers that had a child pornography

02:33:37.780 of it. Exactly. Because they had submitted it. Right. Because, but he had no act, he had

02:33:43.140 no responsibility in the act of submitting said child porn to his servers, right? But, okay.

02:33:49.100 But when you edit the input of user content to your servers, it comes into question, okay,

02:34:00.280 did the user actually submit this or did you edit it to make it look like they did? You

02:34:10.200 know? So Ritt is in a lot of hot water. They've lost a lot of credibility with this. Uh,

02:34:15.420 Oh, and what's this, the CEO, he's also the, the founder and the runner of the R cannibalism

02:34:20.320 subreddit. Exactly. What? Yes. That's what I was getting to. I was getting to that. Yes.

02:34:26.700 But he, he apparently has a strange fascination with eating human flesh. Wow. There's just

02:34:34.640 no end, no limit to the degeneracy and evil. Oh, it's true, Diaham. And you know, you've 1.00

02:34:40.460 brought up a good point. And I, I want to make this point. I've been thinking about this

02:34:43.600 the last couple of days. Visibly kind of common field and all of this shit. Hold on, let me 0.99

02:34:47.380 sneeze here. And while you're doing that, let me interject too. I don't know what's this

02:34:53.400 thing about how human flesh tastes. Like something between lamb and pork anyways. It's not that

02:34:59.280 good. I'm told. No, I mean, there was some serial killer. There was some serial killer

02:35:05.280 I watched on MSNBC back in the day. He talked about it and he was like, you know, we, we

02:35:09.200 taste a lot like pork apparently by some psycho. That's what I hear as well from people, from

02:35:14.420 firemen who, you know, they go into houses where people are burned alive and it smells like

02:35:17.900 time. Yeah. Anyway, I use this to, as an opportunity to say, you know, the reason why

02:35:23.940 we do the Kali Yuga news section, the reason why, you know, common, some of common fields

02:35:28.260 work is important is because what we're trying to do is we're trying to remove the illusion

02:35:33.580 from the demon. We're trying to dispel the glamour and show you what's actually going on

02:35:38.280 here. Cut through the bullshit. Okay. To unravel the false mystery. It's what it shows all 1.00

02:35:45.880 about. This is the deconstruction segment of the show. And so the thing to understand

02:35:51.360 is once you realize that hell is in fact a bottomless pit and those who are in the throngs

02:35:58.880 of demons are capable of limitless evil, limitless. There is no bottom. You can stalk her. Unless 0.99

02:36:10.160 you're a garbage man. You know, in which case you have to kind of develop the fortitude to be 0.99

02:36:15.680 able to deal with this shit because there is an unlimited amount of garbage. You have 1.00

02:36:20.520 to take out the trash. Exactly. And so that's, that's what I'm going to say. But if you notice

02:36:26.160 how many, you know, very people are garbage men. And so I'm, you know, just giving this 0.99

02:36:31.660 out to you guys as a warning, whether it's common filth or with Kali Yuga news, you know,

02:36:36.620 listen, some of the stuff you expose yourself to is not good for your soul. It's not. Having

02:36:42.560 some of these, these, these screen maps, these things, you know, in your mind, I mean, can

02:36:47.200 be used against you by, by demons, but you know, these things come back up. You know,

02:36:52.140 you don't want to have this in your memory, please, you know, exercise discernment and

02:36:57.900 discretion. You know, don't look at this shit. If you, you know, if you don't have to, if 0.99

02:37:02.160 this is enough to, to reveal to you that what we've been saying is not an exaggeration and

02:37:07.180 if the hell is an endless pit, then you know, you don't probably need to look any further. 0.97

02:37:13.180 You know, some of you here were basically aspiring garbage men. So it's a little bit 0.98

02:37:17.880 of a different situation. And I just want to say this cordially that seriously guys, you

02:37:24.240 know, use some discretion. Anyway, please go on James.

02:37:27.400 Yeah. Don't, don't bathe in this stuff or you're, you're going to exactly even garbage. 0.90

02:37:31.260 When they come home from their job, they take off their work clothes. They don't sleep 0.54

02:37:35.240 with garbage. You know, they don't wake up in the morning and look at garbage. Yeah. 0.95

02:37:40.260 They take a shower, you know, all of this stuff. Like they, they, you know, the way you just,

02:37:46.400 you don't live in the garbage. You know, you just do it. Then you, you walk away from it.

02:37:50.320 I don't know. I think common filth does, but yeah, I was going to say, you don't, you don't

02:37:56.440 want to end up like common filth. The guy's like one bad day away from, uh, going suicide

02:38:02.840 bomber for Christ. Like if there wasn't a doctrine explicit in the Bible that forbids

02:38:12.100 such behavior, old CF would be the first guy to strap himself to the biggest batch of explosives

02:38:17.740 he could cook up and go right in the middle of a pride parade. And you know what? I'd,

02:38:21.920 I'd, I'd cheer for it. I would, I won't lie. If he does that.

02:38:26.560 You know, I, I disagree, but I understand. Yeah. I mean, I'll just be like, Hey, you know

02:38:31.920 what? I can't even get back. I can't even denounce.

02:38:36.320 There's so much media dominance and maybe, maybe this is changing now with, with the recent,

02:38:42.200 um, kind of, uh, bloody nose that the, the, the media has received in light of recent events.

02:38:51.040 Uh, maybe, maybe this is going to start slowly changing, but there's so much absurdity and

02:38:58.720 absolute tinfoil associated with these things. Uh, but the fact is, is that this is nothing

02:39:05.260 new. This has happened repeatedly over the past 20 years or so. I mean, that I, that I remember

02:39:11.120 I mean, uh, Jimmy, what's the Savile? Is that how you say his name?

02:39:15.480 Yeah. Yes. Jimmy Savile. Uh, that whole, dude, he was heavily involved, uh, with, in the BBC

02:39:23.820 covered for him, uh, until it was absolutely not possible to cover for him anymore. Yeah.

02:39:31.120 A pedophile. I mean, didn't, uh, didn't the British use this in the second world war as well 0.68

02:39:36.160 as a way to, uh, uh, pressure, uh, politicians. I'm not certain on that. Yeah. I don't have any,

02:39:43.800 I don't have anything concrete on that, but yeah, I mean, Jimmy Savile is a, is a, is an

02:39:51.640 incredible example of this kind of thing that goes on. Uh, Nat tells us of a, um, a similar

02:39:58.720 scandal that went on in Belgium that nearly, uh, that approached revolution, like almost

02:40:05.440 caused like riots in the streets. Uh, I'd have to look into that. Uh, there may be a language

02:40:11.760 barrier there, but yeah, I, this is, this thing is, this sort of thing has happened repeatedly,

02:40:18.840 uh, every few years or so in the West. And, and it's just, just shrugged off because the

02:40:27.500 media brushes it off and, you know, people trust CNN and Fox and MSNBC or CN or ABC or whatever.

02:40:35.740 And they don't, if they don't give any credence to it, then neither do they, you know, they

02:40:41.360 think that these people are, you know, genuinely good and honest and on their side and they wouldn't

02:40:46.540 lie to them. Well, maybe we, I mean, we have to help, we have to do what we can to change

02:40:51.960 that because it's clear that these people, I mean, they're obviously covering for the absolute 0.53

02:40:58.320 worst and most disgusting and horrible human behavior that is, that is possible. 0.97

02:41:07.100 These people are morally decrepit. And, uh, to any aspiring garbage men listening, I'd recommend 0.99

02:41:14.120 that you investigate the pedophocracy by David McGowan, which I believe is an investigation 0.89

02:41:20.240 into the Belgian scandal that Nat referenced. Yes. The Belgian scandal is, um, you can look

02:41:26.860 Mark Dutroux. So Mark D-U-T-R-O-U-X. That'll be a good start. And McGowan's pedophocracy

02:41:34.800 is actually wider than that. He covers many things. He does cover the Macmillan, uh, scandal

02:41:40.400 as well that I talked about earlier. So this is, uh, where I learned a lot of things. It's

02:41:45.320 a, if you want the book version, it's a chapter in the book called, um, the politics of serial

02:41:52.020 murder born to kill or a program to kill, sorry, but you can find the chapter on the pedophile

02:41:58.160 stuff online. It's called pedophocracy. So highly recommended. 0.98

02:42:05.460 Uh, and there is of course the eight pole, uh, pedo wood.

02:42:09.640 Yes. The pedo wood. Another good one. Dan Schneider. I mean, it goes deep. Jay Dyer, you can check

02:42:14.600 him out. He just recently did an interview on red ice. That's quite good. Jay Dyer has done

02:42:18.340 a lot of work on esoteric Hollywood and the abuse that goes on there. This is big there

02:42:22.980 as well. You know, I think it's, um, that this, you know, this is what Zog does. This 1.00

02:42:29.800 is their firmament. This is their constitution. We are fighting the antichrist. Yeah. Let

02:42:37.300 there be no mistake. Let there be no mistake. And I just, um, maybe this is the, I'm repeating

02:42:42.160 it too much, but you please see, understand. And you see people who are defending this. This is

02:42:48.140 what they are defending. Ignorantly. But some of the ones at the top, they're not 0.97

02:42:52.900 ignorant. They know. You know, and so, um, uh, there, there is no, this is black and 1.00

02:43:03.780 white. You know, and it's, it's, there is always the, the devil loves ambiguity. The devil

02:43:12.840 thrives on confusion, on grayness, on malleability. You know, but let there be no mistake once

02:43:24.760 again, this is a black and white issue. And this is not, you know, the, these are not the

02:43:30.460 words of crazy tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists, though it seems Alex Jones has been proven

02:43:35.540 completely correct. Um, these are the words of sober men. Well, you know, I mean, some

02:43:42.100 of us have been drinking actually, but still. Relatively sober men. Yes. Relatively sober

02:43:49.240 men, all things considered. Yeah. I was sober in compiling this. Um, I'm a little tipsy

02:43:54.340 in talking about it because, uh, it's, you know, otherwise necessary, you know, I'd almost, I would

02:44:00.840 be like yelling and angry and stuff. So yes. Now, uh, is there anything else you have to present

02:44:05.960 here, uh, in your, in your investigation? I, I think I've pretty much, I think I've pretty

02:44:10.380 much nailed it. Yeah. The factual basis of everything without getting too, you know, speculative,

02:44:16.180 uh, and stuff without basis. So yeah. So that's what we know. Holy moly. This has been the most

02:44:27.360 Kali, Kali Yuga news segment ever. Uh, I have to say, uh, but we can end it on a real positive

02:44:34.040 note there. I mean, I got this article here. What's his fucking name? Ah, here we go. Jeff, uh,

02:44:43.200 Gillen Kirk, Gillen Kirk. He died of a heart attack after he, this is the guy that wrote

02:44:48.860 about post Trump stress disorder. He was proven right. It's a beautiful and it gets better

02:45:02.880 guys. As of, uh, last night, uh, fucking, uh, another guy who most people don't know 0.96

02:45:09.120 was actually a Galician Sephardic Jew. Our old buddy Fidel Castro died last night 0.99

02:45:16.840 on the 101st birthday of our, uh, great, great leader, Augusto Pinochet. So it's like that

02:45:28.660 old Pinochet had a one last helicopter ride to give from beyond the grave. I didn't know

02:45:35.060 Fidel was a Jew. Yes, he was a, he's a Galician Sephardim actually. He was also a quarter Negro 1.00

02:45:41.760 there. It's like, yeah, behind every fucking communist revolution and everything wrong with 0.99

02:45:48.340 this world, you just find some dirty hook nose, man. Also, another thing to look into guys 0.99

02:45:55.860 out there on this subject, uh, just, just kind of Googling around about Elijah Wood, uh, and

02:46:01.360 his disclosures about the pedophilic problems of it within Hollywood. And, uh, oh my God,

02:46:06.840 why can't I remember his name right now? He 80 star young guy where he was young in the

02:46:11.720 eighties anyway. Um, man was, uh, Corey, Corey, uh, yes. Yeah. Something I forget. Fuck. I

02:46:20.980 forgot his last name. It's not disconnected. It doesn't, uh, it doesn't matter. Um, we have

02:46:28.200 some other stories to cover, but I think we would probably push the podcast into the three

02:46:31.940 hour territory if we were to begin to, to address them. I think we've, we've gotten, uh, more

02:46:39.840 than, uh, are allotted time for this recording. So with that, James Futurist, Chief Kali Yuga News

02:46:48.980 Investigator, thank you very much for your, uh, your impressive garbage look. It, it hurts. 0.98

02:46:56.360 I won't lie. It was not pleasant, but you're welcome. Graeva Hans, thank you for joining

02:47:03.140 us, my friend. Yeah, my pleasure. I'll be with you. Doc Mayhem, thanks for stopping in with

02:47:09.860 all of your, uh, Mark. Ah, God, sometimes just seeing this, I can see why some people

02:47:15.540 want to drink Drano. And, uh, the newest contributor to our, uh, mystery panel here today, Marcus.

02:47:23.660 Thanks for having me. And I'll be with Victoria. I'll be with Victoria. Hope we'll have you back

02:47:30.160 on soon. You've got, as ever, our much better, uh, executive producer, technical assistant,

02:47:35.920 on and have a guest desire. Thank you for having me on again. I'll try to make this sound

02:47:41.960 better than, uh, the last one. Excellent. I'm your host, Florian Geyer, and all of our

02:47:47.880 guests, Ademaria, and Showa.

02:47:50.920 All right.

02:47:53.920 So war denn da der Edelmann, Kyrie Leis. Spieß voran, drauf und ran, setzt aufs Klosterdach

02:48:08.060 den roten Haar. Spieß voran, drauf und ran, setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Haar.

02:48:18.260 Spieß voran, drauf und ran, setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Haar. Spieß voran,

02:48:48.260 drauf und ran, drauf und ran, drauf und ran, setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Haar.

02:48:58.720 Bei Weinsberg setzt es Brand und Stand, hei ja, oh ho, gar mancher über die Linke

02:49:10.220 schieß voran, hei ja, oh ho. Spieß voran, drauf und ran, setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Haar.

02:49:22.220 Spieß voran, drauf und ran, schieß voran, drauf und ran, setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Haar.

02:49:31.220 Spieß voran, drauf und ran, setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Haar.

02:50:01.200 Rauch und ran, drauf und ran, setzt aufs Klosterdach den roten Haar.

Mysterium Fasces Episode 8 — Matthew Heimbach ⧸ Pizzagate

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