In the wake of the Kali Yuga, the question that has been on everyone's mind lately is: what do we do about it? What do we need to do to take hold of the tiger that seems to be so readily devouring us in this "Kali Yuga"? We have assembled a few very knowledgeable guests on this subject to speak with us about this topic, and hopefully give people some firm grips to take a hold on the tiger.
00:04:34.420And you're going to have different strategies and different approaches for both sides, but we can keep it pretty simple.
00:04:41.880In terms of, like, one distinction that I made when I spoke about this previously is that it's very important to distinguish between institutional power or influence and, like, real power.
00:04:54.080Because a lot of people will, when they think about power, they'll go, like, well, we need to win elections.
00:05:00.740We need to take over institutions and things like that.
00:05:04.880I'm kind of, and I think most of people here will agree with that, but in terms of elections, getting elected or getting appointed to an institution is not power.
00:05:19.260Basically, it can be the result of power, it can be a symbol of power, but ultimately, power means you have the ability to punish your enemies and reward your friends or punish behaviors and policies that you don't like and reward behaviors and policies you do like.
00:05:40.700So, if you're elected, for example, to an institution under false pretenses, like you're pretending not to be a Nazi, in other words, you may have, you know, control over that institution.
00:05:53.700But if you try to, say, punish people for race mixing or anything you can imagine, that's not going to work because the other people within that institution, like the system of power, is not going to let you do what you don't like, you know, do what you like.
00:06:13.560So, really, if you get elected, then you want to have control over all these other people in that institution.
00:06:23.260And that means, if you're at that point, that means you've got power in some other way.
00:06:28.100It means you have a network of people who trust you and who are following your lead.
00:06:33.760It means people are afraid of going against you because of, you know, whatever, maybe you speak really well and they don't want you to insult them.
00:06:44.240Whatever it is, you've got real power in some other way.
00:06:47.960And what does it mean to have real power?
00:06:50.520Well, like I said, power is the ability to reward and punish.
00:06:54.400And in order to get that, you need to have infrastructure.
00:06:58.960You need to have resources that you can give or withhold from people.
00:07:03.640It means direct influence and loyalty from people.
00:07:09.400If you have those things, then you have real power.
00:07:11.740So, institutional influence is a symptom of power, not the source of power.
00:08:30.840You want to make sure they have less of it.
00:08:32.380So, you know, if you read books like the Turner Diaries and stuff, you'll get this romantic notion of, like, blowing things up and, like, killing people.
00:08:43.560And, of course, that's illegal and we can't condone that.
00:08:46.380But, you know, even if we were to say that we, you know, we can do that, it's probably not very efficient.
00:08:55.360I mean, nothing could ever be taken off the table completely.
00:08:59.400But, I mean, we're talking about a system that has extensive resources and we're very small and very visible in terms of, like, how different we are from the rest of the population.
00:09:10.160So, if you directly attack the system, all of its attention, all of its, like, information gathering systems are going to be focused on you.
00:09:20.860And that's going to be a very hard situation to handle and to withstand, especially if you're a small group and you don't have much.
00:09:30.500Yeah, I think James is going to get into this in detail later on.
00:09:34.220But I think that, I don't know, if I can just, you know, I'll put you off here.
00:09:38.520I think that you've given us a pretty good infrastructural background on what the actual use of power constitutes and what it is and how we ought to be using it.
00:09:49.420So, practically, how do we build power for ourselves that we can reward our enemies and how do we take power away from the state and the regime?
00:09:58.840Well, again, it's a question of, the simplest way to have this reward and punish dynamic is to have resources that you can give to your friends and withhold from your enemies.
00:10:11.700So, for example, something simple, if you have a farm and you have food, you know, in a context where food is scarce, then you can say, hey, guys, come with me, do what I tell you, and if you do, I'll give you food.
00:10:27.560And if you violate my expectations, if you do things I don't like, then you're not going to get the food.
00:10:38.080So, that would not have much of a point, at least here, maybe in Greece or places that are poor, then food might be a good incentive.
00:10:46.840But if you, you have to look at what people need, what people want, and be able to provide that.
00:10:53.880Now, in a very rich place like Canada or the United States, you might go, like, say, like, well, right now, people, materially speaking, have everything they want, but spiritually speaking, they're very, very poor.
00:11:10.180Like, they don't have any human connections.
00:11:12.100They don't have a place where they belong.
00:11:13.680And so, maybe you say, well, what I'm going to give people is a kind of spiritual fulfillment.
00:11:20.640I'm going to give them a social group.
00:11:23.140I'm going to give them activities to do.
00:11:24.820I'm going to give them a sense of identity.
00:11:27.020And I'm going to, like, feed them very good, positive feedback all the time.
00:11:32.860So, maybe that's how you're going to do things.
00:11:35.520And you can, like, organize activities, have entertainment, whatever.
00:11:39.780Like, again, it depends on your situation, but rewards can be both spiritual and material, depending on circumstances.
00:11:50.160In the long term, if we expect that, you know, the social situation will collapse and, like, resources will get more scarce,
00:11:58.260then it makes a lot of sense to start building up food, power, infrastructure that will allow you to fulfill people's needs.
00:12:10.660Because as things collapse, then they'll start relying on you.
00:12:14.100Another need you can fulfill is security.
00:12:16.080You say, like, well, we have, you know, guys who can, you know, help protect you against all these immigrants or whatever.
00:12:23.960Like, we've seen this in Greece with Golden Dawn, because that's one thing that we can give that the state is not giving.
00:12:30.460I mean, the state has the power to give security, but it's not doing it for political reasons, because they don't want to be racist.
00:12:38.760Would you say that people like Golden Dawn or even the Amish represent examples of what we ought to be doing?
00:12:47.620I mean, of course, what they're doing is adapted to their situation.
00:12:51.640Greece is not the same thing as the United States.
00:12:54.820So, in Greece, doing food drives with ordinary people is, like, very effective.
00:13:00.360Whereas in the United States, it wouldn't really do anything, because, you know, of course, some people are so poor that they don't have food, like homeless people.
00:13:09.660But, you know, you're not going to get much benefit out of, you know, appealing to homeless people.
00:13:16.140So, again, the situation is different.
00:13:20.000You have to fulfill people's needs so that they come to rely on you instead of relying on the state.
00:13:26.460When people feel like they fear disobeying you more than they fear disobeying the state, because they feel like the consequences would be worse,
00:13:36.980well, then you're starting to get real influence and power over people.
00:13:40.540Now, that may seem, like, cynical and stuff, but, you know, that's how all societies function.
00:13:49.320And you don't have to, again, you don't even need to threaten violence to people.
00:13:55.040You just need to threaten withholding your resources.
00:14:00.760So, if you're an individual listening to this podcast right now, what are your recommendations on how they can, concretely in their own life, build up personal and group power?
00:14:14.220Well, personally, there isn't much you can do because, you know, our potential as individuals is limited.
00:14:25.440Usually, your potential is limited to how you can influence other people and get, like, a movement going.
00:14:30.280So, as an individual, you want to, well, you want to build social relationships.
00:14:38.000Really, that's, if you're alone, your main goal should be to stop being alone, because that's the biggest problem you have.
00:14:44.580You need to build relationships with other people.
00:14:49.020And, you know, you don't really even need those other people to be hardcore Nazis.
00:14:55.540I mean, if you have a full understanding of the worldview, if you're, like, 100% committed, you can build an entourage of people who are more, like, follower types.
00:15:07.580As long as you have leadership and you understand how they behave, you can use the principles of social relationships to get even, like, follower types to be, you know, good comrades.
00:15:21.700Because, you know, in any movement, most people will be the follower types.
00:15:26.540And if you're a group, you're only, you know, getting people who are already, you know, people who are hardcore Nazis, who have read a bunch of stuff and who have their own opinions,
00:15:35.860a group composed only of those types of people is going to be fragile because people will fight all the time.
00:15:42.200They're going to, you know, struggle for leadership.
00:15:44.500They'll have their own opinions and disagreements or trivial details.
00:15:48.600Usually, you want a small minority of, you know, people like us, basically, and a larger group of people who just want to belong to the group and will listen for cues about how they're supposed to behave.
00:16:02.400So, really, what you want is to create a subculture because, really, you know, of course, follower types will follow the larger culture if that's, you know, what's in their, if they feel that that's what's in their best interest.
00:16:17.220They're not going to be comfortable with being Nazis.
00:16:21.840So, in order to create a movement with people who can follow it, you have to learn how to create a subculture.
00:16:31.300So, there's some dynamics related to that and it might be a little bit off topic for today, but it's, that's basically what you have to do.
00:16:40.280You have to get people around you to see you as a source of authority and the source of influence and inversely, like, stop seeing, like, television as the source of authority or mainstream newspapers and things like that.
00:16:58.840This, you know, there are techniques for doing that and it's, it's very basic and it's not science fiction to do that.
00:17:05.740So, if you want to be a leader and, you know, if you're an independent thinking person and you're in a society that's full of followers who have very poor ideas, you know, brainwashed by the Jews, then that's really where you should be heading in terms of self-preparation.
00:17:22.540And, you know, it's not necessarily easy, but it's necessary.
00:17:28.580And so, in terms of accruing personal authority that you can form these groups around you, I mean, there's a certain level where it is a, it seems like an innate personality type thing.
00:17:40.100Leadership seems to be mostly an inherent quality.
00:17:59.400Are you wearing clothing that seems, you know, higher, higher, in the sense that it suggests that there's more culture there, a lack of vapidity?
00:18:07.780When you speak, you know, is your rhetoric polished?
00:18:20.220Yeah, and even those things you could say are superficial, they definitely have a big impact, but you could, in theory, violate all these things.
00:18:30.040You could look dirty, you could speak in a way that's kind of hard to understand and still have enormous influence.
00:18:43.980Like, he was kind of a dirty hippie and he spoke in riddles and yet he was considered to have a lot of charisma because, you know, he did speak confidently and he was a very intense person.
00:18:56.180So, like, many things are possible, but you should definitely work on your own personal virtue and, like, to feel confident and to feel strong.
00:19:09.140And you can project that and people will see, like, oh, this guy really believes in what he says.
00:19:15.140He seems to be, like, a solid person who's, like, centered.
00:19:20.280People feel through subtle physical cues and psychological cues a lot of things about you that you don't necessarily consciously communicate.
00:19:31.080I've actually made this point before on the show is I had an experience where I was with a peer group of kind of upper-class, bourgeois, you know, university professor types.
00:19:47.560You know, and one of them, and I specifically avoided politics because it wouldn't be useful socially, but one of them, I didn't even say anything political.
00:19:54.820You knew I was a nationalist quite intuitively.
00:19:58.220And I find this is the case even in my university.
00:20:02.980You know, I mean, you, if your university is small enough that you begin to know the people in it, you'll begin to realize who is, you know, sane, who is right-leaning, who is, you know, just quite automatically.
00:20:17.080And it usually is the case that they are thinking many of the same things you are but are afraid to express it.
00:20:27.380So, if you have more specific questions, I can answer them.
00:20:31.920One detail, like, about, like, the negative side that I spoke about, how to weaken the state.
00:20:36.660I just wanted to give the suggestion that, in many ways, you can more easily, you know, destabilize or kind of damage the establishment, not by doing things directly to it, but by getting all these minority groups who hate each other to, like, you know, cause trouble.
00:20:57.640Not, you know, not, you know, not suggesting that they do anything illegal, but just, you know, poking at the disagreements or the inconsistencies, the contradictions in their system.
00:21:11.820Because, of course, like, the liberal system establishment, it's full of contradictions.
00:21:16.680Like, you know, Muslims who are really against feminism, blacks who hate gays, all of these things.
00:23:07.480Well, like, in terms of crypto or overt, there's, like, some distinctions.
00:23:12.280Like I said, in terms of the negative stuff, in terms of trying to damage the establishment, you want to be crypto.
00:23:18.800In terms of building up your base of power, like the stuff I described previously, you also want to kind of stay crypto in the sense that the people around you, your closed social circle, will understand what you're doing.
00:23:32.020The people following you will understand what's going on.
00:23:34.680But you're not advertising to society a whole, like, oh, I'm building a mini fascist subculture here.
00:23:41.640Please, please, please, you know, intervene.
00:23:46.060But in terms of outreach to the general public, which will be done more or less anonymously, then you want to be as extreme as possible.
00:23:54.540So there's different levels at which we have to operate.
00:23:58.280So, like, if you're running, like, obviously I'm involved with Daily Stormer, and we're trying to be as extreme as possible and kind of try to influence society as a whole to kind of shift the perception of what's going on, you know, like, to create the perception that basically there's a huge fascist uprising and that, you know, fascists are a huge proportion of the population.
00:24:23.600It may be something that's even totally out of proportion with reality, but, you know, that's in the sense in which we're trying to influence things, and that has to be extreme and overt.
00:24:34.240But in terms of what you're doing at the local level, local meaning, like, your own social circle, but also, like, in your nation, a lot of that stuff will have to be more hidden to prevent the state from attacking you directly.
00:24:47.720I mean, you can propagandize with a Daily Stormer, and that's great, and it is effective.
00:24:52.020It does draw a lot of people in, but if you're, you know, for instance, purchasing real estate and you've got a few apartment complexes that is, you know, for your people that think as you do, you can't put a big billboard with a swastika on it outside.
00:25:10.400I mean, you're going to get – you know what's going to happen then.
00:25:14.400Exactly, and I think, James, you're going to go into that in depth, and we're going to save that for a little bit later.
00:25:18.940And so what I want to know is I want to go to Slavros, and I want him to give his perspective on this whole issue, any points of dissension and points of correlation, which I imagine there are many.
00:25:32.400Well, I don't agree that you can't put a big swastika on the front of something.
00:25:38.820The point is that you don't combine things together, so you don't store anything illegal or do any illegal activity on the premise that it has a swastika on the front.
00:25:46.880And obviously, you don't tell the state where all the goodies are hidden or all your prank material is hidden.
00:25:52.200That does not contradict any of the other points being made.
00:25:57.360It's just that some people, for some reason, think that you have to choose between one or the other.
00:26:01.180And we don't have to point guns at the state at this time.
00:26:05.200That is the fundamental premise of siege, that you wait for the moment to strike according to your ability.
00:26:10.160The whole idea of using other people, other groups, to your advantage against the state can only be done if you have the appropriate resources, material, and strength to actually pull something off in proportion to the events that are happening.
00:26:24.360So, for instance, a good example of this is the Azov Battalion, who had previously been the Social National Assembly and held a patriotic military group for training called Ukrainian Patriot.
00:26:35.600And they held paramilitary-style training, which was completely illegal, perfectly fine, and they kept doing it as a kind of just outdoors club activity.
00:26:46.960That ended up putting them on the map as the most efficient volunteer battalion in Ukraine during the war with the separatists.
00:26:55.860So, the idea is that you have to prepare yourself for when the conditions arise, for when the circumstances are such that you can do something during those events according to your own strength.
00:27:07.540But you have to build up to that strength.
00:27:09.320So, there is perfectly good reason for each individual to prepare themselves for an outright struggle and for just doing pranks and at the same time building up group strength.
00:27:19.160And, of course, this has to be done as a separate thing from public advertising and a separate thing from trying to procure official fronts for what you're doing, like property or whatever.
00:27:29.980The point is that you completely decentralize all of these aspects and keep them pocketed separately from each other.
00:27:36.540But you can't just put all your eggs in one of the baskets and hope for the best because when the conditions arise, when the worst of the conditions arise, if you've only been doing an official front without any other kind of preparation, you're going to be caught with your pants down and then you're going to get smashed over the head with a baseball club by some nigger around the corner.
00:27:55.580So, the idea that these things are somehow not correlating together or incompatible together, the whole thing is that some people, like the biggest detractors to the siege tactic, they just say, well, why aren't you going around killing niggers right now?
00:28:12.220And the people who produce that argument are the people who don't want to actually practice the tactics involved in this method because they just want to find any and all excuse not to participate in this at all because they're looking for an easy legal and sit at home, do nothing, weigh up through meme warfare or whatever.
00:28:31.760And the idea is, of course, why don't you just explain very directly in your opinion where the role of violent negative action against the state, theoretically, we don't condone illegal action, fits into our tactics.
00:28:47.980Well, like I said, you have to just look at the events around you.
00:28:50.980You have to keep mounting your personal strength and you keep mounting your group strength, you know, just prank clubs, book clubs, whatever you have.
00:28:59.720You keep just doing that until such a time that certain conditions arise.
00:29:04.640They present themselves by our enemy foremost because it's always our enemy side that is bringing the abyss closer and closer.
00:29:12.360They're the ones who are bringing the collapse closer and closer.
00:29:14.640And, of course, we can help them along in that way, but in channeling that in such a way that is favorable to us and our outcomes because, frankly, the race war is inevitable.
00:29:25.060The whole idea of the Turner Diaries is inevitable.
00:29:27.620The violence is absolutely inevitable.
00:29:30.200We can just prepare for it and know how to direct certain events in our favor.
00:29:35.700And, again, this is not even going to come down to us so much as the enemy.
00:29:40.760All these riots that have been going on because of the Trump election would be, to a certain extent, a time where certain groups could actually achieve something.
00:29:47.960Not necessarily pointing guns against the state or whatever, but they can do something to direct these actions.
00:29:53.100For instance, there is a book by Colin Jordan, The Uprising, and he provides a whole list of very fun pranks that you can do in such situations which can actually help our struggle along and also just, you know, give the people something to do and some bread and circuses to watch while the police figures out what to do with them.
00:30:11.560And there is nothing wrong with that and nothing illegal being advocated, really.
00:30:18.560So the whole idea is that when the situation arises, you judge it, you evaluate it, you evaluate your own strength, you see what can be achieved in those circumstances correlating to your strength, and you go out and get it done.
00:30:31.140Do you think at this time in the United States, direct action against the state apparatus would be profitable to our movement, or would it harm it?
00:30:41.500Well, again, as I just said, a group has to evaluate what it can achieve based on its own strength versus the opportunity that presents itself.
00:30:50.900So since there is probably no group in the United States that can do anything at all right now, then probably not.
00:30:59.000But the worse the system power deteriorates, and the less power you have accumulated yourself to actually get something done, of course, the less opportunities you're going to have even when the situation is more favorable to you.
00:31:11.160So the idea that you have to wait for the state to weaken before you do anything is absolutely false.
00:31:15.900You have to keep preparing for the opportunity to become worse.
00:31:19.060Otherwise, you're just going to be sitting around and sucking your thumb thinking, well, what did I do now?
00:31:28.780And I think that that's what the purpose of this show is today, is to issue an injunction to our listeners to make ready.
00:31:36.200And I think that the thing to understand is, I mean, yeah, the time of reckoning is coming, but in any instance, you know, we're fighting a hundred, a thousand years of war.
00:31:48.180You know, our mentality is not so much for something quick and dirty, but it very realistically, our conflict with the world and Zong could extend hundreds and hundreds of years and will be fought long after we're dead and gone.
00:32:04.000And so I think that the important, for me personally, what I want to stress for our viewers is you need to lay the foundations of something that's enduring for a long time.
00:32:15.780And so these institutions, if we look at these successful models in the past who are able to do things like this, look at the Taliban or Hezbollah, just to name a few.
00:32:29.600They're very successfully engaging in everything that we've described.
00:32:33.880They've got alternative networks of infrastructure.
00:32:37.040They can reward their friends and punish their enemies.
00:32:39.080They're adept at fighting forces, regular forces, many times larger than themselves over long periods of time and winning, despite being heavily outnumbered.
00:32:49.900Hezbollah is an excellent example of this with the Israeli-Lebanon war.
00:32:54.140And so I think that the critical thing is not to – the one thing that I would say the Turner Diaries misrepresent is that it's going to be kind of five guys who come together at the moment of reckoning as the pressure starts to build.
00:33:12.540I think it will be more – it will be fundamentally based around a family.
00:33:19.380I mean because there's so much that you can do, but if you've got seven sons who are national socialists and raised completely militant against this world and in all good health and spiritual vigor, I mean that's many, many times more effective than you as an individual could ever be.
00:33:38.420That now, of course, is not to say that you should discount your own actions.
00:33:41.180They can go together, as you pointed out, Slavros.
00:33:43.800But I think that it's the combination and it's the long-term battle and always agitating no matter what.
00:33:51.740Yes, if you have five friends who are following you and each of you have five sons and they all become friends, that quickly explodes into a very tight-knit and very loyal and very strong group, obviously.
00:34:26.680So, James, I know that you have something special prepared to us vis-a-vis the consequences that one could incur in engaging in this activity.
00:34:36.500But before you even touch that subject, I just want to ask if you have anything you'd like to comment on, you'd like to add, or you'd like to clarify in any way.
00:34:44.400Well, I'd just like to put out there, when you talk about action against the state, that's completely dependent on a scenario where there's a collapse and total chaos, and this monster that I'm about to describe to you is not functioning, right?
00:35:03.880So, let's just take a look at the U.S. military for a moment.
00:35:59.980Let's – you know, now you have drones that have come into the picture.
00:36:03.560So, without a total, utter, complete meltdown collapse where there's chaos and none of this stuff works and no one's willing to take orders for their paychecks anymore, that's what you have to deal with.
00:36:18.260And I think it's also important to – like we spoke about earlier, you have to somewhat – I know dropping out of the system is a big part of C, just one of the crucial things, you know, is to complete and total system dropout, right?
00:36:36.300Well, you have to be careful in how you do that because there were some people in Texas that tried to do that.
00:36:56.300In Waco, Texas, there was a religious cult – all right, they're pretty kooky and weird, I'll give them that, yeah – the Branch Davidians.
00:37:05.980They were a Seventh-day Adventist, a man named David Koresh, fancied himself the son of God, and he had a congregation that followed him quite fanatically.
00:37:16.520They had a compound of private property in Texas, and rumors started to mill up there of like, I suppose, child abuse because he was all into having multiple wives, and some of them were a little too young allegedly.
00:37:36.440But this is not what brought federal attention to them.
00:37:42.820It was a violation of gun laws, actually, because they – I mean, it's Texas who doesn't have guns, right?
00:37:49.180So they had quite a bit – quite a number of firearms there.
00:37:52.320So these people essentially tried to drop out of the system, separate themselves from the rest of the world, and practice a religion and live in a way that was not what the system had to offer.
00:38:08.000Now, initially, they tried an FBI raid of just, you know, multiple armed FBI agents, and I guess the Branch Davidians opened fire on them to a degree that they had to retreat.
00:38:23.680Now, when they – now, when the government returned to them, they brought with them 1,890 trained soldiers, four armored personnel carriers, and 12 tanks for 80 people on private property in a compound.
00:38:45.140They proceeded to – they proceeded to – yeah, they proceeded to open fire on these people with tank rounds, incendiary grenades, and fully automatic weapons.
00:39:01.10076 people inside died and were burned to death, many of them children.
00:39:05.240So that's – that's what you can expect if you – if you are too overt, if you are too, you know, outward with your – with your propaganda, and you obviously hole up together in some compound tank rounds, Rob.
00:39:26.440Yeah, in short, if you bring the full force of the state against you, you've already lost.
00:39:33.080So it's all a question of how do you avoid that.
00:39:36.300Yeah, and I think that this is the critical piece that James has brought to the table, that what is necessary is to hide in plain sight.
00:39:45.220That by the time the state gets into a place where it is advantageous for us to operate with more overtness or to make more direct action, you know, it's an irrelevancy.
00:39:56.740And I think that the critical – the critical factor to understand, and we have been speaking about this in previous shows, is that committing yourself to this line of activism, if you're serious about it, if you want to defeat the regime, this is what you're going up against.
00:40:12.180This is the greatest monster that has ever existed in the history of the world, the greatest machine, the greatest military apparatus.
00:40:22.140And so if you're going to say, yeah, you know, we need to stop these kikes, then realize that you are going up against the whore of Babylon, quite literally, right?
00:40:41.920Now, that's not what may happen, but that is what could very well occur.
00:40:46.480Or you can launch white phosphorus rounds into your compound and drive a tank into the wall and collapse it on top of you and your children burn to death.
00:41:25.440So if they had done extensive community outreach and charitable, you know, activities within the larger area in which they were and, like, everyone in the community would know them and they would know them personally and they would appreciate their efforts.
00:41:43.160And, like, if they would have helped the poor and things like that, then they would have become a part of the community.
00:41:48.020And an armed incursion against them would have been seen as, you know, would have been more or less unthinkable.
00:41:57.500Because then it's like if you do an armed incursion against, you know, Greenpeace or whatever, it's like, yeah, maybe Greenpeace is doing stuff that the state doesn't like.
00:42:08.960But they're seen as a charitable organization.
00:42:13.680But if it's just a bunch of weird people who are isolated, then nobody cared that all these people were killed because people thought they were creepy and it was like, well, whatever.
00:42:21.980People cheered almost at their deaths.
00:42:24.160So your public front needs to be – it needs to appear as a kind of a charitable organization.
00:42:33.960And in many ways, you could say Golden Dawn is like that because they're doing a lot of charitable work and people like them.
00:42:39.780It wouldn't make sense, like, if the Greek state took the army and raided the Golden Dawn offices, this just wouldn't be – I don't believe that that would be possible.
00:42:55.000It would cause, like, a revolution because it was like, well, they're a political party and they do charitable work.
00:42:59.760But if these same Golden Dawn guys with the same beliefs and, you know, they had the same party, if they were just holed up in some compound somewhere and the common people didn't know them, they didn't care about them and they just, like, were vaguely creepy, then, yeah, there is no limit to what the state could do to them because then people – they wouldn't care.
00:43:18.480So, again, like, different parts of your operation need to have different types of public outreach and public image.
00:43:28.680Some of them might be – you know, if you have one part of your efforts that's, like, buying infrastructure or buying buildings and stuff like that, maybe you want to have a corporate name like Johnson & Johnson Inc.
00:43:43.780and just appear to be a business venture.
00:43:46.240You're like, oh, I just do, you know, real estate investment and stuff like that or I invest in businesses and it just looks like that.
00:43:55.160Maybe you have the charitable organization.
00:44:19.640But anyway, it can be anything, any appearance that will make it seem innocuous.
00:44:25.400And then under those auspices, you do what you need to do and you get the image that you need to get.
00:44:32.600And you can do the same things without getting hate or heat from the state.
00:44:38.180Obviously, if you're going to do revolutionary type activity, then you want to have no public image at all and you want to appear like a ghost.
00:44:46.920Different things for different situations.
00:44:49.520But, yeah, anything that will get you the full pressure of the state apparatus means you lost.
00:44:56.800I mean, if you get the full hate of the state, you better make sure that they have no idea where you are, who you are, you know, what's your social security number, what your picture is like.
00:45:27.040I thought it was 12 CST, so I'm in a different time zone.
00:45:32.580But you also reminded me of something that Matt Heimbach and the Traditionalist Workers' Party, they're doing in Tennessee right now and doing charity work for the wildfire victims.
00:46:17.800I think there's a lot that can be done by exploiting the tax-exempt status and basically, you know, milking the whole religious freedom that we have in the United States and the tax-exempt status and all the benefits that can come with founding a quote-unquote church, you know?
01:04:12.420Now, before the break, Slavros wanted to make a point, and he briefly brought it up in the middle while we were away from the microphone.
01:04:19.920So resuming the discussion, Slavros, do you have any comments you'd like to add or any critiques or any things you'd like to point out?
01:04:26.960Yeah, a few things, starting with the end of what Zeigra said about how the collapse of the system is something way down the line, decades or hundreds of years, and we essentially just have to wait for that to happen.
01:04:37.620No, we don't have to wait for that to happen.
01:04:39.360We have to work towards accelerating that.
01:04:41.780And the whole idea of a church doing something and having a group doing something more covert on the side fits into that perfectly because that group can, again, likewise work towards accelerating the situation.
01:04:52.220And this is something I talked before about already, that a group has to take opportunities for what they are, size them up to their own capacity, what they can achieve, and do what they can covertly to make the situation worse and help the situation deteriorate that much faster.
01:05:06.960If you're not doing that, then you're just building more of a burden on the future generations if it comes to that, that our generation does not achieve immediate victory.
01:05:15.780So the idea is that everyone is supposed to be contributing in some way to the deterioration of the system.
01:05:21.620So let's say that there's still this church front, and it might have its own covert operation going on, but that doesn't necessarily partake in the acceleration process.
01:05:30.580Fine. You can cooperate with another more overtly accelerationist siege-style group, hidden from the public view and knowledge that you're cooperating with them, so long as you're both in agreement and comprehension that you're working towards the same end, the complete destruction of the system by any means necessary, but you're practicing it in these specific manners.
01:05:50.700And not in manners which are completely opposed to the idea of acceleration as what we see in being promoted on the alt-right and conservative spectrum.
01:06:01.940The other thing I wanted to mention is that the example of Waco is a good one in the sense that this is like the most retarded way of possibly doing anything for our site.
01:06:14.360So it's an example for retards how not to be retards.
01:06:17.520Because when you look at Waco as a religious group of community, they tried to create their own private little world, but at the same time, it was essentially out there, visible, like a sore thumb.
01:06:29.160And, of course, there were these rumors circulating, and, of course, they were also doing illegal activity enough to the point of attracting the ATF, I believe the agency is called.
01:06:38.020Yeah, ATF at first because of the firearm law violations they had, I guess.
01:06:42.480Right, right. So basically, they built up a huge compound because they want to create their own little world fully contained in that compound.
01:06:49.000So they needed a huge structure, and they wanted to have everything contained within there, self-sufficient, but at the same time publicly available.
01:06:56.020This is the worst way of doing anything for any national socialist group, especially if it's overtly so.
01:07:00.560So if you have the kind of money to build a compound, you do not waste it on building a huge compound for the system to see out there in the open.
01:07:08.720So Waco is an example of just the most retarded way of going about it, though, of course, the religious group in question was doing it without any intention of taking down the system.
01:07:17.560So maybe they thought that they could get away with it.
01:07:19.420And technically, they could have gotten away with it if it wasn't for the rumors spreading around and the illegal firearms issue.
01:07:26.840And Zyger already talked about maybe if they did community outreach, then it would have been less possible for the system to take them down.
01:07:32.980Yeah. Well, and the other thing that's important to know about Waco is the firearms issue was completely manufactured by the ATF.
01:07:39.300They were not actually doing anything illegal, and my understanding is that the local sheriff knew this.
01:07:45.760But it was, as you've already pointed out, because they weren't integrated into the local community, and nobody really liked them and were suspicious that the federal government began to get involved.
01:07:55.200Right. And just basically a final point on how the action against the state can only happen on collapse.
01:08:01.840It can happen long before that, and it should happen to help chip away and deteriorate the power of the state.
01:08:06.760Because each time you deteriorate the power of the state, you create yourself a space where you can insert your own group to provide that power.
01:08:14.440So you have to kind of fight it away from the system in a very subversive manner.
01:08:18.120That's the whole premise of the siege tactics of using these different warring factions within the system against each other
01:08:24.180and kind of utilizing various pranks to help deterioration proceed further and kind of make things more excitable between the warring groups between each other.
01:08:37.480No, I agree. I agree. I guess I misspoke by talking about waiting.
01:08:43.240Obviously, it's like the two-pronged strategy.
01:08:46.740You have the overt church group, and on the other hand, you have the covert kind of destructive group.
01:08:52.460And, like, your group will cause trouble, and, like, your church will come in and, like, resolve that trouble in a certain sense.
01:09:00.000You might, you know, get your activists to, say, cause the Muslims in a local community to riot and, like, cause problems
01:09:10.100or just, like, reveal that they're causing problems, that they are redoing, and then your guys, your overt guys can come in
01:09:17.520and kind of do things that the local authorities or the state authorities were not capable of doing.
01:09:25.880So, yeah, you know, show the problem with your negative group and resolve that problem with your positive group.
01:09:33.020And there is really no waiting involved in the strategy.
01:09:37.040You're always doing something and weakening the state on one hand and growing your own power on the other.
01:09:43.640What I said in terms of waiting, and I didn't misspeak, was more, like, in terms of total takeover of the system,
01:09:52.880like, official taking over of things, and that will require an opportunity.
01:09:59.680And, of course, you're going to do everything you can to manufacture that opportunity.
01:10:04.120But in terms of just that specific thing, there's going to be a timing involved.
01:11:42.240Now, Doc Mayhem, you wanted to talk about something called the Cloward-Piven strategy?
01:11:48.240Yeah, it's actually been elaborated in other places in the libertarian sphere and the alt-right.
01:11:54.240And even the men-going-their-own-way sphere.
01:11:57.780This is also part of something else I've thrown away.
01:11:59.940I mean, say what you will about MGTOW, but they're doing one thing right.
01:12:02.780They get these guys who have no chance of getting laid anyways, removing their illusions, and then getting them to quit paying Zog tax dollars.
01:12:12.000Well, and that also goes into what they wrote about the virtues of a disorganized resistance.
01:12:18.180Basically, when it becomes natural and everyone just says, fuck it.
01:12:22.980Well, this goes into the Cloward-Piven strategy in the sense that, well, Cloward, and it was some fuckers named Cloward and Piven, and there were some commie, hippie scumbags who, I don't know how they came to factor this, how they came to this conclusion,
01:12:39.780but they decided that the best way to cause a collapse and then usher in the communist state was to get as many people as possible to stop working and to overburden the state by getting on the welfare programs.
01:12:58.360And that's one other way to chip away at the state, as well as to just go galt.
01:13:04.260You drop out, stop working, apply for as many welfare programs as you can, get your non-profit charity statuses going on, and you chip away at the system by just simply burdening it.
01:13:20.780Now, once again, they intended for this to be able to usher in the communists, but we all know that that's going to do the exact opposite.
01:13:28.120I mean, that strategy is all fine and well, so long as the need is actually still doing something else beyond that to help the struggle along.
01:13:40.060Well, I was going to say, needs by definition don't do jack shit anyways.
01:13:45.020This is, in a lot of ways, if you're having to rely on needs to actually get up off their ass and do something, you're going to have a bad time.
01:13:52.300But by simply telling, by just simply getting them to drop out and burden the state, they're at least playing some part towards our goals.
01:14:01.760Otherwise, they're just, you know, jacking off to hentai and fueling the state through consumerism.
01:14:08.040So, the strategy is to weaponize needs, basically.
01:14:11.420Yeah, that's the difference, then, between weaponizing something that already exists and doing something proactive in your own part, in a sense, dropping out of the system by becoming a need,
01:14:20.780but still contributing to the cause in some other way.
01:14:23.180Oh, yeah, that's what we're going to do.
01:14:24.200But the clear pivot is we're just taking people who would otherwise be useless to us and just simply getting them to burden our enemies.
01:14:42.900And distribute it as a, you know, social outreach program for needs.
01:14:46.720Now, keep in mind, we would be doing this, too, on top of, you know, our, you know, whatever, activism or covert strategy, et cetera, et cetera.
01:14:56.280No, and I think that's a very good and valid point.
01:14:58.980I think that's an excellent tactic to include.
01:15:01.660And one of the men that I'm certain we will get on the show at some point in the future and who is very good and a great inspiration vis-Ã -vis these type of things is Weave.
01:15:10.200Weave's ability to do this is second to none to not only get our enemies to engage in stupid behavior and increase their – James was given the example the other week talking to a professor who was asking how could anybody vote for Donald Trump?
01:15:30.180And the company says, well, it's because of you.
01:15:32.340So if you get them to engage in more of the behavior that causes that radicalization, lo and behold, you have more radicals.
01:15:39.740Anyway, so I just want to give full credit to Weave.
01:15:42.280Without a doubt, I've got major respect for his work and his activities.
01:15:46.680And I, you know, recommend everybody, you know, Daily Stormer to need your shekels.
01:17:21.480Going to the Kali Yuga News for this week.
01:17:24.480I'm going to start off, you know, and then I'll let the rest of—
01:17:26.720If you guys want to pick or cover a story, you can bring it back to me.
01:17:29.200Um, I'm going to start off with a story that I read this week, you know, that this was the first one in the Kali Yuga News, and it—this is a—I'm just going to read the byline.
01:17:42.080From RussiaToday.com, the byline is, quote,
01:19:37.400And I would say that secondarily, this is a good example of how bourgeois goodness and bourgeois Christianity is not real goodness and not real Christianity.
01:19:52.280Well, wouldn't it be someone else doing it to him technically?
01:19:57.920I mean, it's got to be some nurse or some doctor actually administering it to him, right?
01:20:01.460Well, it depends on the way the legislation is.
01:20:03.620So there's what's known as medically, you know, assisted-induced dying, which is essentially where a doctor does it to you, where he euthanizes you.
01:20:11.140And then there's medical-assisted suicide.
01:20:12.960And basically, the difference is, in one instance, the doctor presses the plunger.
01:20:17.100In the other instance, it's the fucking man.