Mysterium Fasces - December 02, 2023


Mysterium Monologue 04 — Atheism

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atheism atheism and far-right compatibility religiously motivated violence atheism
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Alexandre Duiven
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Osama Bin Laden Mysterium Fashies Ron Christopher James Futurist Frankenstein Marxists Johnson Himmler
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In this episode, I discuss the role of secularism as a political tool in the modern world, and how it can be seen in the context of modern social democracy. I talk about how secularism can be understood in terms of the separation of church and state, and why secularism is a useful political tool.

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00:08:43.760 I mean like we can go back to
00:08:45.360 Who can compare like the
00:08:47.920 Revolutionaries of
00:08:49.500 The 18
00:08:51.520 The liberal revolutionaries
00:08:52.660 Of the 1840s in Europe 0.81
00:08:53.880 And of 1796 in France
00:08:55.680 And their style
00:08:57.860 Of statecraft
00:08:59.060 And administration
00:08:59.800 Especially when it comes to things
00:09:01.900 Like
00:09:02.320 The reality of the rights of man
00:09:05.180 Or of
00:09:05.760 The world of the death penalty
00:09:07.080 and the state and this kind of thing with modern social democrats, their whole moral
00:09:16.060 paradigm is radically different.
00:09:18.160 Even in these who are in their own similar revolutionary moral paradigm, one of which
00:09:23.680 kind of has evolved directly out of the previous, there are still these radical differences
00:09:28.700 in terms of worldview.
00:09:31.000 And that's on purpose.
00:09:31.700 It's designed to keep things heterogeneous and confused and with no transcendental point
00:09:36.640 of origin.
00:09:37.400 But this basic probing reveals that you can't even have the basis for a reasonable state
00:09:43.480 in the sense that we agree on what its purposes are and how it ought to fulfill them unless
00:09:52.780 we have some base unified conception of justice and morality, which comes from some transcendental
00:10:01.120 philosophical predicate.
00:10:03.700 And so that's why atheism is an invaluable political tool.
00:10:06.900 Because by separating the church and state or the transcendental and the secular as these 0.61
00:10:13.300 kind of two discrete realms, what this means is that you can set your own artificial moral
00:10:20.080 paradigm.
00:10:20.820 It's back to this false consciousness.
00:10:22.460 It's this presupposition that, well, of course, there is this a priori global, liberal, equal
00:10:28.680 ideological playing field that people, you know, have to just, you know, ameliorate and temper 0.93
00:10:34.120 their gross, disgusting, backwards worldviews to fit into.
00:10:38.280 And, you know, you're allowed to play on that field so long as you accept these, you know, 0.99
00:10:42.800 liberal presuppositions, right?
00:10:44.000 As long as you cut yourself to an ever more radical revolutionary strain of political thought,
00:10:50.460 which is accomplished, as we can see now, usually less through overt ideological posturing
00:10:55.220 than through virtue signaling and the cultivation of media control.
00:11:01.540 And so this is what happens, the introduction of atheism.
00:11:05.140 And it's not so much the personal lack of belief in atheism.
00:11:08.040 That's not the issue, or excuse me, the lack of belief in God, you know, because we can
00:11:11.740 look at, let's say, the founding fathers of the United States, many of whom were deists. 0.99
00:11:15.640 But rather, it is the separation of church and state itself, which creates a practical
00:11:20.800 type of atheism.
00:11:22.360 And when I mean church, I don't mean necessarily just institutional church, but the whole religious
00:11:27.880 spiritual nous sphere, the transcendental spiritual.
00:11:32.520 Because if we have this kind of, you know, faraway clockwork mechanic deity, then there is
00:11:38.800 no imminence to the transcendental world in political affairs or in the reality of our daily
00:11:44.900 lives.
00:11:45.460 It's just the inaction of, you know, some predetermined mechanisms that we have to contend with.
00:11:50.980 There is no interpenetration or synergy or convergence, symphony of powers between the divine and the
00:12:00.000 human, which is the apotheosis in all ancient conceptions of the organization and running a
00:12:07.240 society in the States.
00:12:09.300 Sacral monarchy is a classic example of this.
00:12:13.440 And we see these trends reproduced all over the place.
00:12:21.200 It is a huge endemic feature of human political administration.
00:12:27.380 And a lot of the times it's not even rationally constructed in terms of an exposited ideology.
00:12:36.540 It's just that people have these intuitive understandings of their connection to, you know, especially
00:12:42.780 like ancestral worship and the orientation of the human social experience.
00:12:48.000 And so what happens is when you create this false consciousness of this, you know, isolated, sterilized,
00:12:55.080 disconnected, secular realm of power politics, what this does is it just legitimizes raw power.
00:13:01.820 Because if there is this presumed egalitarian, you know, relativist playing field, then that just means whoever has the greatest control over power, whether it's coercive force or monetary force or social capital or whatever, dominates.
00:13:23.880 Because the world becomes mechanistic, it becomes detached from any sort of, and we get into this deep in our conversation on nominalism, hopefully you will get to listen to soon.
00:13:35.520 Once there's a detachment from the execution of the role of the functions of the state and then like the goal of justice, the terminus of justice, the referent, the language, you can just basically legitimize and do whatever you want as long as the people are willing to go along with it.
00:13:49.480 And in terms of acquiring the consent of the masses, it's well known that the, by far the most effective tool is the domination of the passions.
00:14:00.020 Because that's what happens, is once there is no transcendental form of justice to appeal to in terms of the running of the state, all that can be appealed to is base utility of pragmatism, of what seems to be the best and most advantageous thing to do at the moment.
00:14:17.600 So this can come in many different forms, this can be, you know, economically as a classic example, or in terms of, you know, biological happiness, that kind of business.
00:14:27.920 But, you know, it also can come in terms of, you know, group pragmatism.
00:14:37.960 Just because someone is a, you know, an atheist or a materialist, they don't necessarily have to be an individualist, although this often accompanies it.
00:14:46.940 I mean, certainly we can see in sectors of, quote-unquote, alt-right or racist liberalism, where there is a very strong current of kind of biological, collectivist, you know, atheist materialism.
00:15:02.060 Communism is an extreme form of that.
00:15:04.220 But even on a biological level, it's well understood from a game theory perspective that group competition against solo actors with groups always win.
00:15:14.540 And so it's in their own pragmatic self-interest and that of their bloodline to engage in these sort of processes.
00:15:23.360 And so this is one way of deferring the existential reality that's caused by this separation of the divine and the human spheres.
00:15:35.620 In that we can see transcendence in our own biological progeny and posterity and so on.
00:15:42.400 But it ultimately is not a long-term effective, because it doesn't, a long-term effective solution philosophically.
00:15:48.220 Because it doesn't tell you why doing, like having children and sustaining society is a good thing past it seems like what you're supposed to do and it's what everyone else has been doing.
00:15:57.480 And it kind of feels good in a general long-term sense.
00:16:01.540 I mean, that's the well of those, that's basically all they've got.
00:16:08.120 And so what happens is it's just, it returns to the domination of power.
00:16:13.380 I mean, even kind of coming back to our racist liberal example, which we like to harp on so much here,
00:16:17.800 because it's a perfect foil for understanding a lot of the modern world.
00:16:22.820 In our racist liberal example, what we see is, you know, a very strong presentation of this idea that might makes right.
00:16:31.360 That the raw inevitability of the passions and of the exercise of force itself legitimizes their execution, right?
00:16:42.520 You know what I mean?
00:16:43.800 So that's like, you know, the white race is the greatest because, you know, it's the most virtuous and it wields the most power. 1.00
00:16:49.460 And the virtue and power are equivalent with one another.
00:16:52.040 And lack of virtue is only correlated with the decline in ability to stably and consistently exercise power.
00:17:01.120 You know, and so power itself, you know, advantage and so on becomes its own end for its own sake,
00:17:11.040 because it enables us to secure, I mean, basically the passions, you know, a comfortable material state.
00:17:17.180 And so this is the thing, is that the benchmark and the source of this political expediency of this utilitarian function
00:17:24.140 that the state needs to be oriented towards, whether it's a social democrat, whether it's a Marxist-Leninist,
00:17:31.700 whether it's a racist liberal, is always relativistic and irrational.
00:17:36.740 Whether or not it's caught up in some convoluted system of ideological expression,
00:17:41.320 or it's the manifestation of certain good and healthy, you know, biological impulses or whatever,
00:17:48.520 you know, there is some sort of transcendental rationalization that is applied to the political economy and human life
00:17:56.380 that does not have a substantial source, because there is no transcendental philosophy for it to rest at all,
00:18:04.100 if you see what I'm saying.
00:18:07.260 You know, and so, like with Marxism as a good example,
00:18:11.280 and a shout-out to my friend, James Futurist, you know, he made a great point, you know, red-baiting, 0.99
00:18:16.440 you know, you argue with Marxists, and you ask them,
00:18:19.160 why is there an imperative for the workers to rise up and seize their own,
00:18:24.940 seize the means of production, and, you know, engage in a just, labor-based social order?
00:18:31.020 Where does that moral imperative come from?
00:18:35.180 And an atheist cannot tell you, because they do not believe in transcendental moral imperatives. 1.00
00:18:38.900 They believe in the mechanistic Marxian, you know, historical unfolding.
00:18:46.440 That is to say that the, you know, communist state and the reality of capitalism and class war,
00:18:51.980 this is just how it is.
00:18:54.100 You know, it is an inevitable product of certain innate human,
00:18:58.660 socioeconomic, anthropological realities, right?
00:19:03.600 And so that comes back to the problem, that atheism is sort of an internal logos,
00:19:09.860 or, you know, secularism at large, we could say, atheism slash secularism,
00:19:14.140 is an internal logos that is predicated upon, like, the presupposition of the great logos,
00:19:20.140 of language, of some sort of transcendental communicative principle.
00:19:24.120 Dr. Johnson is excellent in his exposés of the folly of individualism,
00:19:28.460 you know, that the very fact that we are making arguments for individualism presupposes
00:19:33.480 communities, because you need a language in order to be able to communicate effectively
00:19:38.040 with your fellows, and you need a huge amount of social infrastructure and capital,
00:19:42.520 which creates the setting necessary for these ideas to be, you know, communicated intelligibly,
00:19:49.620 right?
00:19:50.780 And so, I mean, with atheism, we come back to the difficult reality that, you know,
00:19:54.340 you are making the assumption that reality has an inherent order to it,
00:19:59.500 and that this order can be used to come up with, you know, empirical sense, data-based truth.
00:20:07.360 At a very minimum.
00:20:09.100 You know, and so, and if they're not willing to admit this,
00:20:11.220 usually they descend into an arco-egoism, or to egoism, or to whatever, right?
00:20:14.640 I mean, you start to lose nonsense, but, you know, you have to come to that kind of
00:20:19.040 philosophical engagement with at least a belief in communicability, like, you know, logos.
00:20:28.440 Sometimes you run into people who don't even believe in this, and it's just,
00:20:30.660 it's inconsistent and contradictory, but, you know, there you go.
00:20:33.360 Human beings are, by and large, very much like this.
00:20:37.880 And so we come back to the original issues that, so, you know,
00:20:41.100 you've kind of removed any sort of socially agreed transcendent logos,
00:20:44.960 like the Christian, you know, throne and altar is the classic example, 0.98
00:20:50.180 or even some sort of, you know, pagan, you know,
00:20:56.060 you know, poeticized natural law, that kind of business.
00:20:59.940 And you've reduced everything to sort of an economic, biological reality at best.
00:21:05.320 And so, again, you know, you cannot make, like, universal claims to social organization
00:21:12.200 unless you admit some sort of, you know, a priori binding, you know, mathematical linguistic truth, right?
00:21:22.600 I mean, that's the only reason you can have substance to the statements that you make to one another
00:21:27.300 and any sort of, like, binding moral claim.
00:21:29.640 And these are realities that need to be substantiated to have, like, a serious philosophical system.
00:21:35.980 Why do these things exist at all?
00:21:38.340 Why can we understand what each other says?
00:21:40.580 Why can we make claims to justice?
00:21:43.680 You actually have to have a foundation for these things.
00:21:48.680 And so what we get with atheism is we don't get any of that.
00:21:53.200 You know, like I said, at best, you know, we can get appeals to, you know,
00:21:57.700 securing the integrity of posterity.
00:22:00.240 You know, but even then, this is more a biological impulse than some sort of well-fleshed-out philosophical idea.
00:22:10.960 And so what happens is when, you know, you have coming, returning to this false moral paradigm,
00:22:20.260 this is it, kind of returning to the, with nominalism.
00:22:23.420 So nominalism is like this, this anti-symbolic language, right?
00:22:27.100 Where, you know, the word symbol, you know, itself has become degenerated.
00:22:31.820 Where instead of meaning, you know, something that points to a reality beyond itself,
00:22:35.900 like an entrance or a gate into a world of information,
00:22:39.760 which is much more than the sum of the parts which indicate it,
00:22:42.940 it has become inverted.
00:22:43.940 And it means the vapidity of substance.
00:22:46.520 That a symbol becomes an illusion.
00:22:48.040 The only transcendental communion is through mutual acceptance of some particular brand of illusion,
00:22:56.720 which always is legitimized by your coercive ability,
00:23:00.700 whether through the passions or through force or whatever, right?
00:23:03.740 You know, you can, like, Soviet totalitarianism is a classic example.
00:23:08.060 But also, you know, the modern liberal imperium is a great, great one as well.
00:23:12.860 And so, I mean, if you think about, for example, capitalism, right?
00:23:19.620 And the total predomination of the economic good as the guiding force within society,
00:23:25.200 and the total enslavement we see among many sections of the, you know,
00:23:29.760 quote-unquote, conservatives in the West to, like, the market, you know,
00:23:36.380 the market fetishism, and so on.
00:23:38.220 And so what's going on here is that there has been this false moral consciousness
00:23:47.140 can only be created if the previous moral consciousness has been skirted away.
00:23:51.980 And what this atheism does, this secularism, is it allows the schizophrenia,
00:23:56.700 the disconnection between the moral realm and the economic realm, right?
00:24:01.620 Whereas we can see communism, they're kind of merged together
00:24:05.500 in some disfigured Frankenstein monster of a human, a false human anthropology.
00:24:12.440 The reason, whereas with capitalism, it is the market itself which is worshipped.
00:24:20.120 And that plurality of singular economic expression
00:24:23.640 creates the justification for the raw exercise of force.
00:24:29.540 Because you can justify things as being just part of the market,
00:24:32.660 just part of the forces of nature,
00:24:34.000 part of the unfolding mechanism of reality, you know,
00:24:37.060 part of the just, you know, I mean,
00:24:41.920 I mean, there's a million, you know, copy-paste examples of, like,
00:24:45.820 you know, the smug, you know, materialist, atheist, Fedora Tipper,
00:24:49.080 you know, about how man is this infinitesimal, you know, compilation of chemicals,
00:24:53.940 you know, in this random array created by chance,
00:24:56.840 who is just, you know, our heart is
00:25:00.560 the kindling of breath in our lungs,
00:25:03.620 and man's reason is but a spark that will depart from him when he dies.
00:25:08.420 No one has been known to come back from Hades, that kind of thing.
00:25:10.680 And so, this is what atheism is really all about,
00:25:16.180 is it's about creating this state in which the power,
00:25:19.560 in which the passions can be unleashed, right?
00:25:23.200 And, you know, we're talking about not just, you know,
00:25:25.580 our own, you know, vices, gluttony, lust, whatever.
00:25:30.880 But we're talking about the ability of these forces of nature
00:25:35.540 to impose themselves on man's will against his freedom.
00:25:40.040 That is what we're talking about.
00:25:41.700 And the ability of man and the great masses of the population
00:25:45.300 to be organized in such a means as they are economically and socially exploited.
00:25:53.380 I mean, that is the purpose of the atheistic worldview,
00:25:56.500 is to legitimize oppression,
00:25:58.100 because it delegitimizes transcendental justice by definition.
00:26:02.420 And so, this is it.
00:26:06.680 Once there's no justice, right, there can be no hope.
00:26:11.440 There can be no release from the tyranny of the market.
00:26:17.540 There's nothing greater to appeal to.
00:26:19.320 Death is the final end and remedy for all of life.
00:26:26.900 Okay, so, next topic that we should address is the,
00:26:30.700 the issue where atheism is not compatible with far-right ideology in general.
00:26:39.080 Now, in the North American scene, there is a very unique circumstance,
00:26:42.320 because we have a very large proportion of people that have come into,
00:26:46.420 quote-unquote, alt-right, quote-unquote, far-right,
00:26:48.760 whatever terms you want to use,
00:26:50.220 this kind of revitalization of the nationalist movement,
00:26:53.040 primarily among the youth, from libertarianism,
00:26:55.760 which is essentially classical liberalism, obviously,
00:27:00.000 and hence the term racist liberal.
00:27:02.060 Now, I come myself from these backgrounds and from anarchism and so on,
00:27:05.200 and as we discussed before on Mysterium Fashies,
00:27:09.000 liberty is an extremely legitimate and real organic English political idea,
00:27:14.900 which should be pursued to whatever extent is feasible under the moral law.
00:27:19.700 But that's aside from the point.
00:27:21.780 The issue is not the question of liberty in terms of the libertarianism,
00:27:25.520 but the libertarianism tends towards this kind of, you know,
00:27:29.480 amoral, atheistic, materialist mindset,
00:27:33.020 and that whole package of ideas has kind of been, you know,
00:27:39.440 imported wholesale into the elements of the far-right in the United States,
00:27:46.840 but also to a lesser degree in other parts of the world.
00:27:49.700 Now, especially, you know, with the whole alt-right,
00:27:53.720 you've seen this, you know, gross emergence of this media network
00:27:58.120 and propaganda establishment and the proliferation of all of these ideas.
00:28:01.840 And so everybody, you know, can talk and make their world you know and so forth.
00:28:06.200 And so we're seeing an increase in the clout that this has among far-right circles.
00:28:11.920 And so my essential contention would be that, you know,
00:28:17.160 it's totally incompatible as a worldview.
00:28:20.080 That this, that atheism and the approach to human, you know, governance and life,
00:28:27.260 where there is this separation artificially between the elements of man's worldview,
00:28:35.460 is inherently nonsensical.
00:28:38.180 Especially when you're trying to make a claim, as we've discussed earlier,
00:28:41.820 to social and political justice.
00:28:45.320 It was no coincidence that, you know, there's a very famous quote
00:28:48.180 of how the, Himmler was explaining that, you know,
00:28:54.500 any religion is allowed in the SS, but they don't tolerate atheists.
00:28:58.720 You know, I'm sure we're all his friends, we'll be happy to hear me quote that.
00:29:01.900 But my, it wasn't an advocate, Himmler certainly wasn't a Christian,
00:29:05.640 but there was a strong understanding that true,
00:29:11.700 true kind of revolutionary political conviction requires a transcendental faith.
00:29:19.920 And that is the core of the issue,
00:29:22.280 is that we're not going to get ourselves out of the civilization of Meyer 0.84
00:29:26.620 by defaulting to a previous state of our downfall.
00:29:29.940 You know, we had racist liberalism as the burgeoning and leading ideology
00:29:36.880 of, you know, the Anglo world for decades, hundreds of years.
00:29:45.660 And it produced the current civilization and cultural crisis that we are in right now.
00:29:51.240 And so my fundamental contention would be that the only way that we can
00:29:55.280 break out of this malaise, out of this moral trap,
00:29:59.700 and whatever you want to call it,
00:30:01.840 is to totally reject this worldview.
00:30:03.800 And that fundamental component of this is the re-sacralization of the cosmos.
00:30:10.160 The, what has happened with the advance of nominalism
00:30:14.940 and the advance of atheism in Western philosophical thought,
00:30:18.320 as we've mentioned, it's created this, you know, false reality
00:30:21.480 where there's this political realm that's removed from all of the rest of the elements of life.
00:30:26.220 You know, the economic, the moral, the environmental, and so forth.
00:30:30.540 And so what is necessary is a philosophy and a worldview
00:30:33.600 that integrates all of these elements in a coherent manner.
00:30:37.880 And so the founding, or the predicate for this reality,
00:30:41.360 would be a sacralization of the cosmos.
00:30:43.780 What has occurred is the loss of metaphysical realism
00:30:47.460 in Western Christianity has separated the reality of the world around us 0.95
00:30:52.640 from any sort of transcendental connection.
00:30:55.320 There has been the loss of the understanding that the world,
00:30:58.160 as it's unfolding, is a manifestation and a reflection of the divine life.
00:31:02.880 Now, as Christians, we wouldn't say that it's a perfect reflection.
00:31:05.360 We believe that there is corruption in the world.
00:31:07.380 But we do believe that nature is a reflection of the personality of its creator,
00:31:12.020 the Holy Trinity.
00:31:13.500 And that through our interaction with nature and the material cosmos,
00:31:16.460 we are deified.
00:31:18.240 That's why Christ came to earth as a man.
00:31:20.300 That's why the mysteries and sacraments of the church are physical.
00:31:23.520 Because the physical world is essential to our life.
00:31:26.280 Man is created to be a physical animal, as well as a spiritual one.
00:31:30.940 And so the separation of the sacred life from the cosmos,
00:31:35.940 this kind of Gnostic bifurcation,
00:31:38.140 that is, you know, we see coming out of Kabbalah and alchemy,
00:31:41.460 which transmutates into this empirical mindset,
00:31:45.840 totally devalues and totally separates the material reality from
00:31:50.120 metaphysical referent and transcendental meaning,
00:31:55.400 as we've gone into before.
00:31:56.920 And hopefully you'll get an in-depth treatment of it once we do our,
00:31:59.240 we re-record our nominalism episode.
00:32:02.060 And so this is, again, it comes back to this false consciousness.
00:32:06.980 This is what atheism does, is it desacralizes the cosmos in a very real way.
00:32:10.720 Now, it should be noted that it got here from these Christian theologies,
00:32:17.780 which also do this.
00:32:18.620 We see this among some branches of specifically low-church Protestantism,
00:32:23.320 where they look at the world basically as just this resources that God has given us
00:32:27.740 to do whatever we want to exploit.
00:32:30.980 And to, you know, their understanding of to have dominion over just basically means to dominate.
00:32:36.700 And which is not the traditional view.
00:32:38.620 The traditional view is that man is created as the high priest of earth and nature,
00:32:42.180 and his job is to harmoniously facilitate the integrated interworking of the parts of nature.
00:32:52.440 So, nature is to be respected as a reflection of the divine personality.
00:32:58.920 Now, Christianity is by far not the only worldview that professes the sacralization of nature,
00:33:05.040 and I would not say that all sacralizations of nature are correct.
00:33:07.820 Nature itself is not sacred.
00:33:10.240 It is a reflection of the sacred.
00:33:14.680 But the issue is, is that openness to this worldview and to this idea is required in order for us to construct
00:33:23.040 some sort of civilizational idea, which is able to provide real transcendence to the people who adhere to it,
00:33:31.340 beyond just the mediocrity of the material malaise and so forth.
00:33:36.040 So, this gets back to the issue of faith.
00:33:39.860 That the only way that we can inspire a revival of this, this heroic, you know, super ethical vitality,
00:33:48.000 this, you know, change the hearts of men and urge them towards this, you know, self-sacrificial,
00:33:54.480 passionary idea, is to inspire in them authentic faith.
00:34:00.720 The people, again, this is the Ouroboros of consequentialist morality.
00:34:07.440 Consequentialist morality says that our morality should be based around what is the most effective decision that we can make in a certain situation,
00:34:16.020 the most pragmatic decision.
00:34:17.040 But the whole principle of transcendential morality that promotes, that provokes men engaging in heroic actions,
00:34:25.320 which are actually extremely in their own self-interest or in the self-interest of a group,
00:34:31.140 that kind of worldview or those kind of actions are only produced by a morality which transcends the pragmatic.
00:34:37.400 So, if you think about, you know, a soldier, you know, sacrificing himself in battle for his comrades or, you know, anything like this,
00:34:49.540 this comes from a species of faith, typically speaking.
00:34:52.660 It can be very mean faith in a biological reality,
00:34:55.320 but in terms of a consistent, long-term application of this behavior that's required to build up like a real civilization,
00:35:05.700 one requires an actual cogent system of belief.
00:35:10.800 And so, this, you know, faith, like if it's pragmatic, this pragmatism in and of itself defeats the transcendental pragmatism of faith.
00:35:23.300 Because it's the fact that faith is beyond the material world,
00:35:27.440 and it's not bound to just the tyranny of the forces of death that gives it its power to overcome death,
00:35:33.800 that enables men to suffer and to sacrifice in the face of, you know, immense consequential odds,
00:35:43.320 which enables the actual true kind of higher self-interest, right?
00:35:49.320 The accomplishment of these great works.
00:35:52.100 And so, we can see, like a perfect example to, for exposition here, would be like Islam.
00:35:59.680 We can see that Islam has a huge amount of vigor, even now.
00:36:05.020 That, you know, its civilizational sphere is actively growing and is being exported.
00:36:11.540 And that Islam, you know, I mean, very famously to quote Osama bin Laden,
00:36:15.080 he said that when people see a strong horse and a weak horse, they pick the strong horse.
00:36:19.040 They naturally favor the strong horse.
00:36:20.900 And so, Islam appears to be the strong horse. 1.00
00:36:23.860 Because it's bold and unapologetic in its implementation of the structures of its faith.
00:36:28.900 And it doesn't attempt to make compromise in terms of the essence of the religion
00:36:33.840 between its particular, you know, military-political-religious system and that of liberalism.
00:36:42.300 And in fact, it stands as its own internal alternative and bulwark to the liberal system.
00:36:49.560 And so, that's why Islam is growing. 0.99
00:36:54.660 I mean, that's why it stands in a position of strength.
00:36:58.160 Because, you know, if you get guys who are willing to strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up,
00:37:05.200 this is not only, you know, for the sake of jihad.
00:37:08.920 This is not only an extremely potent mechanism of psychological warfare.
00:37:13.540 But it is actually an attack on the entire ethical system of liberal democracy.
00:37:18.220 This kind of behavior delegitimizes the reality of the liberal moral system.
00:37:24.520 Now, I'm not saying people should strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up.
00:37:27.660 I mean, but I'm saying that this is the reflections that, you know, liberal ethicists will discuss.
00:37:32.060 That this is one of the things that is implicit in religiously motivated violence.
00:37:36.220 Is that it is a wholesale rejection of that liberal paradigm of tolerance and restraint.
00:37:43.780 And so, what is necessary is that same animating, motivating faith.
00:37:50.260 Now, it's not a question of faith in itself being good.
00:37:53.060 It's a question of power and direction.
00:37:54.980 I mean, man can have a lot of power and a lot of motivation.
00:37:57.500 And he can use all of his strength for really evil and wicked things.
00:38:01.440 Because, you know, I mean, having really high IQ, if you use that IQ to deal drugs, I mean, that's not a good use of that ability.
00:38:10.680 And so, just because, like, Islam is virile is certainly not a reason to accept it. 0.99
00:38:15.720 Obviously, it's totally at odds.
00:38:19.120 It's in a death struggle with our own, you know, classical civilizational archetype, Roman Christendom.
00:38:25.800 And so, what we need to do is, in a sense, not engage in its sort of reactionary, you know, romantic return to some, you know, great Byzantine idea.
00:38:39.100 We just need our own little Byzantine city-state in America. 0.99
00:38:41.360 That's ridiculous.
00:38:42.500 But what we need to try and do is we need to revisit the core values of that instantiation of natural and divine law for our people.
00:38:50.540 And seek to apply that to whatever degree that we can in our own lives, in the lives of our families and communities, and so on.
00:38:56.800 That's the practical solution.
00:38:59.400 And to get to that reality, which is extremely difficult to implement in a modern Babylonian society,
00:39:05.340 we need, at the very minimum, to have a strong conception of what that is and what the worldview which enables such a reality is.
00:39:12.720 You know, we need to have the light so that we can see, so to speak.
00:39:15.920 And so, what happens is that atheism totally precludes access to this whole sacral, noetic, ethical, political realm.
00:39:26.120 It's just totally cut off.
00:39:27.680 As with other types of worldviews which are epistemologically and metaphysically nominalist,
00:39:35.220 which do not allow for the connection between the transcendental world of forms or universal categories or archetypes or the divine energies or logos,
00:39:47.060 whatever you want to call it, and the physical world are just going to get us right back into the same place that we have come from,
00:39:54.340 that we are actively trying to rebuke and to reject.
00:39:56.640 And so, that's why there really can be no compromise with this atheistic, you know, materialistic, like, worldview, right?
00:40:07.240 And this is, unfortunately, where a lot of people who have come into the far right are coming from a background like this.
00:40:13.060 Now, I think it's important to draw nuance.
00:40:15.540 You know, it doesn't mean that market economies have to be rejected or something like this,
00:40:21.700 or that, you know, all of the means of production have to be owned by state-controlled kundalama arts or something like that.
00:40:30.440 That's not what I'm saying.
00:40:32.460 But what I am saying is that we need to be able to really strongly philosophically tell people, like,
00:40:40.240 why justice and morality should control the economic life and should be above economic gain.
00:40:46.720 So, and without, anyway, so that's the crux of this episode, is that atheism does not give us those tools.
00:40:55.940 Atheism attacks and degenerates these tools.
00:40:58.520 The best that atheism can offer us is economic and biological power for its own sake.
00:41:06.780 So, I think that we've come to the end of our fourth Mysterium monologue on atheism.
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