Charlie Robinson of Macroaggressions joins us on the show to talk about his new podcast, "Macroaggression," and his new book, "The Controlled Demolition of the American Empire." He also talks about why he started the show and why he decided to write a book.
00:01:53.460And my episode with the two of you will be out on Macroaggressions on Sunday.
00:01:57.860So anyone that's not thoroughly appalled after this episode and wants more, they can find it on Sunday, wherever podcasts are served in audio format and on Rumble, Rockfin, and Bandot Video.
00:02:35.200Charlie, before we get into things, can you tell the audience a little bit about like what your focus is on your show and just in general, you know, because I think it'd be a good way to lay the format or the groundwork before we jump into things.
00:02:47.120So I wrote a book in 2017 called The Octopus of Global Control, and then I went out and started promoting it because nobody knew who I was.
00:02:56.240And so I did that for a while, and that turned into going on Jeff Berwick's show, The Anarchist.
00:03:02.120And after we got done recording, he was like, hey, man, you want to write a book to, you know, like I have some ideas for a book.
00:03:12.340That came out in 2020, the tail end of 2020 called The Controlled Demolition of the American Empire.
00:03:17.380And, and while, you know, sort of in the, in between stages of writing that book and still promoting The Octopus, our, our mutual friend, Tony Merkel reached out and had me on the confessionals and we talked and he said, you've got to do a podcast.
00:03:34.380And, and I said, yeah, I, I, I'd like to, but I don't like all the, all the technical stuff is, you know, I'm not going to, I'm not going to be doing all that.
00:03:46.840And so that turned into macroaggressions that started in March of 2020, right around the same time as the thing that nobody's allowed to talk about.
00:04:05.280It probably was like a couple of months that you were like, maybe, maybe.
00:04:08.500December was when he, December of 2019 was the first time we were talking about it because I remember being, it was Christmas.
00:04:16.200Cause, and I was at this hotel that had all this Christmas stuff and I had to like peel away from the family and have this conversation with Tony Merkel.
00:04:37.760And I started putting together the intro, which is, um, uh, I mean, I'll tell you what, if you listen to my intro, you're going to know whether you're interested in my brand of insanity or not.
00:04:49.200It's about two minutes and you're going to go either this guy should be committed to the nut house, or I think I might be down with his act.
00:04:55.880So we, I started putting that together.
00:04:59.180I recorded some early episodes and then, and Tony was, see, Tony was really important in this because the confessionals is a really, it's like a professional well done podcast.
00:05:10.640He's an audio geek and he wants it to sound the right way.
00:05:15.600And he got me started early on, on some pretty important, uh, structure, the structure of the show.
00:05:23.400And he said, listen, if you miss a week, everyone will assume you're dead.
00:05:26.700So you, you've got to be on a schedule.
00:05:28.900You got to do this episode, you know, you drop out your monologue episode on a Wednesday, your interview episode on a Sunday, and you never miss it.
00:05:36.100Cause if you miss, you'll lose your audience.
00:05:37.760And I was like, okay, you prerecord a couple in advance.
00:05:41.160When we put this, when we start this thing, we'll drop five of them out at once.
00:05:44.780If, if people like it, they'll, they could listen to all five.
00:05:50.120So I was talking to myself, I'm sure of it, but, but still, he got me on this, on this structured way of doing it that I think was really helpful.
00:06:08.580He goes, if they like your show, they'll start to expect it.
00:06:11.360And if you don't show up, you'll get emails.
00:06:13.320And that actually happened on the show that I do with Sam Tripoli and, uh, and, and midnight, Mike and Ricky called the union of the unwanted.
00:06:20.460That we, we were, we do that every other week, every other Monday, but then there were like, we had a scheduling issue and then everyone was out of town and traveling.
00:06:29.900And so we missed like two potential things.
00:07:12.700I'm the one who's saying the wild and crazy things, you know, uh, Tony focuses a lot on the paranormal, but, um, there's a lot of sort of political conspiracy, uh, in, in your realm.
00:07:23.680And sure, there's some overlap there, but, uh, I, I think that's gotta be the perfect deal.
00:07:28.520It's like, let me be responsible for the things that I'm going to say and, and I'll take the heat, but I got, I didn't have to want to say a hundred percent.
00:07:43.500I mean, for better or for worse, we're going to, we should be charging.
00:07:46.200We should be charging money for this because you're getting, well, it's secondhand advice, but directly from Tony Merkel, from somebody who's doing it successfully.
00:07:52.820I'm taking notes in my brain and, uh, thank you for that.
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00:09:35.660And I kept having that happen during the week where I would be, you know, I'd be we'd be at midnight out at some bar and I'm chatting with somebody and some guy would be like, where do I know you from?
00:09:48.440And so that was weird to me because it was almost like the perfect amount because it was like only if I opened my mouth would people ever go down that path.
00:09:57.840But the rest of the time, I realized nobody watches the show.
00:10:19.700You know, you're doing this for real now.
00:10:22.260You can ditch the $100 mic and you can go to the $400 mic or something like that.
00:10:28.120So, again, like for I guess if there are people listening, like you don't have to start off with like the best equipment.
00:10:33.840But once you get to a point where you know that you're doing this and it's really happening and you're going to continue to do it, then he was like, he's like, now's the time.
00:10:43.260So, I just – I basically just do – when it comes to engineering type things or strategy or whatever it is, I listen to him because he knows it.
00:10:53.420And I know that he's – you know, his show is massive.
00:10:57.920And people know the confessionals and love it.
00:11:02.180A quick tip for anyone listening to that part right there.
00:11:06.700I've done this mistake a bunch of times, especially in my art career where I bought like the tablet and it was like a $300 Samsung and then I quickly outgrew it.
00:11:14.960Then I bought the iPad but it was like a small one and I outgrew it.
00:11:18.640Then I bought one that was like half as good as the one I have now.
00:11:21.080I should have just – once I realized I like this, save up the money and buy it once because I spent triple – you know, it's like a $400 microphone sounds crazy.
00:11:31.880But when you're spending – you know, you spent $300 on three different mics.
00:11:48.780I feel like I'm very similar to Charlie in a way where – and I'm not saying that this is definitively you but I – the tech side of things and the software side of things is really very frustrating for me.
00:12:03.900I'm articulate and I can, you know, rattle off something compelling and have a good conversation.
00:12:08.280But, man, the back end of things and even trying to research what's the best mic that – I can't type in more than three or four Google searches before I start to get very frustrated with not being able to find what it is that I'm looking for.
00:12:50.060And until you speak, everyone will be none the wiser, right?
00:12:53.580Unless they're really watching all the time.
00:12:55.620But when they hear your voice, all of a sudden maybe some heads turn.
00:12:58.120Whereas some people have thrown themselves into the limelight and now they can't move through – Joe Rogan is never going to have a normal life.
00:13:35.480Like I've seen people like – so Clint, I've been homies with Clint for three, four years now.
00:13:41.660And I was hanging out with him since when he – his profile picture was like a fat lady in an American – America bathing suit, right?
00:13:48.920And now if I'm hanging out with him in Miami or like we go to a van or something like that, it's very hard to walk with them because someone will always be like, can I get a picture?
00:14:59.940When your dog's famous, like that's – but like you said, Top, it's like in this weird universe of – it's like a big fish in a small pond, right?
00:15:10.360And the pond is filled with anarchists.
00:15:23.820He's got to go – I mean he can't go at that event anywhere really or events similar to that.
00:15:29.120So I think it's – I think maybe it would be flattering and maybe fun for a little bit.
00:15:36.440But I also watched sort of the dark side of it was that I feel like there was a lot of – he felt a lot of pressure on him to be Jeff Berwick, the guy that you know.
00:15:46.480And I think that that caused some like – I mean he was drinking too much for a while and that stuff kind of happens.
00:15:53.240And I don't know how much of that is like pressure of having to be on all the time or whatnot.
00:15:59.260But it seems to me like it would be exhausting.
00:16:02.520And it would distract from the message too really.
00:16:04.900Like your point is like I don't give a shit about that stuff.
00:16:08.660I do want people to buy my books of course.
00:16:10.860But nobody is going to recognize me in an airport because of the books I wrote.
00:16:21.080The discrepancy between that and then someone like Kanye, like I kind of understand why he would have – like it's not that people like that have lost their mind, right?
00:16:28.980It's kind of like they're something different.
00:16:31.960You know, their rules of engagement are different.
00:16:34.240Like when we see celebrities married to each other for like a month and then the next one, I was talking with my wife about it.
00:16:39.020I was like this is like they're not operating within the normal bounds of human behavior for the entire span of humanity.
00:16:49.280They don't even know the rules of engagement with each other.
00:16:51.900It's a very bizarre thing that the internet has created.
00:16:55.100My business partner was really good friends with some guys that were huge Hollywood stars.
00:17:03.640And the sort of things that they had to take into consideration were things that I would have never thought of.
00:17:08.840Like when we go into the restaurant, we have to make sure that that person sits in that chair so that their back is to the rest of the room.
00:17:19.680Because if it's the other way and the face is to the rest of the room, everyone is going to be recognizing this person all throughout the meal and it would be super inconvenient.
00:17:29.620So if we can't get a table that's like in another room, then you've got to get a table where this person can sort of hide in place.
00:18:46.380The internet has kind of shown us that it is a curse.
00:18:50.880And it's one of the good things I think that's come out of the internet.
00:18:52.840It's like we used to have a consolidated group of celebrities, you know, especially back in the day when it was like your Elvis's and all these high level, you know, artists and actors.
00:19:02.060And then with the birth of the internet, we got all these microcosms of fame, hyper levels of fame, though.
00:19:08.140And that really did a couple of things.
00:19:11.640One, it made fame seem more achievable.
00:19:13.540But it also spread the message that ultimately all famous people end up spreading, which is it ain't all it's cracked up to be.
00:19:21.280And so now instead of just having this interview with like an Elvis kind of character who's telling you like it's actually kind of horrible and then you have another you can count the interviews where these celebrities are saying that on two hands.
00:19:32.640Then the internet comes along and you've got, you know, 50,000 different celebrities within their own microcosms all telling horror stories.
00:19:41.940And we're also seeing it unfold on the world stage, right, in these giant breakdowns with Britney and Kanye and all these different characters.
00:19:48.580And I think that I internalized that a long time ago was this idea of like, no, no, no, I don't want fame, dude.
00:19:54.380I want success and I want to be satisfied with my body of work, but I don't necessarily want to be catapulted to the forefront of the public eye and then scrutinized by everybody who works as a greeter at Walmart.
00:20:06.720You know, and there's nothing wrong with your greeter at Walmart.
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00:23:11.040Because obviously it's all led you to this point where you're writing books and you're making content and it's all about this, you know, this sort of laser focus on this corruption on a high level.
00:23:19.660What is it that that got you to the game in the first place?
00:23:23.220Well, so I knew that 9-11 was wonky, right?
00:23:27.460Kind of like a year or two after it happened, maybe maybe the two years after it happened.
00:23:31.980And as soon as they started talking about we're going into Iraq and I was like, this is some bullshit right here.
00:23:38.420So I immediately was distrustful of all that and it started me down this path.
00:23:43.800But really what happened was in March of 2007, I was going on a trip and right before I left, my buddy came over and he's like, hey, take this book with you.
00:23:54.300You need to read this book on your trip and it was Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins and I was like, okay, and I read that book and I was like, whoa, like it to me, it kind of opened me up.
00:24:05.200I was in real estate at the time in Vegas, 2007, booming, right?
00:24:10.380And what I realized was that in this book, he's talking about how the IMF and World Bank will loan, will give loans to these governments that have really have no way to pay it back.
00:24:20.240Oh, we'll give Ecuador, you've got the right topography here to build a hydroelectric power plant.
00:24:30.120If you do it, you'll generate – it'll pay itself off in 11 years and it's going to generate all this revenue and you'll have electricity and everyone in the region will have power.
00:24:38.780Your kids will learn to read at night.
00:24:41.120It'll be great and all these benefits.
00:24:43.060And so this – whoever makes the decision, we'll put some money in your Cayman Islands bank account.
00:25:10.500It goes to Maine and Maine builds the hydroelectric power plant exactly like they said they were going to do it except that the problem is it starts to generate revenue but not enough.
00:25:22.180Not enough to really – it's less effective than they had said it was going to be.
00:25:29.580And next thing you know, you fall behind in your payments, right?
00:25:32.460And then the IMF and World Bank approach Ecuador like any good loan shark with a baseball bat and saying, you owe us a lot of money.
00:25:39.220We might be able to work something out here.
00:25:42.000Why don't you privatize your fishing industry and sell it to our buddies or you agree to vote our way in a UN resolution or you put a U.S. military base.
00:26:07.480We're giving mortgages to people that can't afford them either.
00:26:11.540They're definitely going to default on these in a couple of years.
00:26:14.800You know, adjustable mortgage where you can just pay – no interest.
00:26:20.040Or you can pay interest only, no principal for a set period of years, and then it's going to adjust up to whatever the interest rates are plus 3%.
00:26:48.740He was a guy that mowed your lawn and did all this stuff.
00:26:51.900And he was a good guy, and he had a family, and he was excited to buy the house, and I was excited for him to buy the house.
00:26:57.400And I looked at it – you know, he filled out the two-page application, and I faxed it over to our mortgage department.
00:27:04.760And I'm looking at it like $10 an hour, and I get a call 30 minutes later, and the guy's like, yeah, we're good to go from our mortgage account.
00:27:11.640I was like, fuck, this guy's going to lose the house.
00:27:15.720So it clicked to me like the same trick that the banks are using here, which is like loan this money into existence, then wait for the person to default on it, and then take back tangible asset when they default.
00:27:32.700Well, this is the same thing the IMF and World Bank is doing in Perkins' book.
00:27:36.900And so then everything collapses, and I lost my house.
00:29:59.000Speaking of boxes filled with books, my wife found out because I – the day that I was – the publisher was sending the books to my house, I had to run out and do something.
00:32:51.020But she was – I was like, I was like, you know, listen, don't go like complaining to your friends about how your husband's cheating on you by writing a book,
00:34:30.580When you were describing your time in the real estate market, I want to just track back a little bit because it has some like overlays with what my wife has gone through.
00:34:38.040You're in this market and you don't even realize the bubble, the crash, all this shit that's being pulled over your eyes.
00:34:44.880But my wife is a registered nurse and she had the same thing done to her and she's now woken up.
00:34:51.200And you guys, you had to have your house pulled out from underneath you, two of them.
00:34:54.780She had her health pulled out from underneath her.
00:35:12.980And now I'm like nah, we're going the other way because I realized the trap.
00:35:16.640And I said I'm going to do something different.
00:35:18.040So it's like interesting time to be alive, interesting time to see people do these things and where does it lead?
00:35:25.620Yeah, and it was really helpful for me moving forward because I now understand how you can be in an industry and still not see the full picture.
00:35:37.880In my mind, sure, 43% price appreciation in 2004 in Las Vegas is unrealistic.
00:36:24.160Oh, by the way, why do you think prices of homes are going to ever go down?
00:36:28.480We've got an influx of people from Southern California that are moving to Las Vegas because there's no state income tax and the weather is good.
00:36:34.900And they don't have the – and there's all these reasons – and I was coming from Southern California myself.
00:36:40.660I mean this – so the reasons for – the reasons that I was selling for the reason that Las Vegas was going to be a fantastic place to live
00:36:50.260and that these prices were justifiable was it's still a third of the price of Southern California.
00:38:19.440And my stepfather was a carpenter, dumped countless hours and his own resources into renoing the house, and it ended up being beautiful.
00:38:28.400And by the time they were done with the kitchen and the family room and they redid the basement, the housing market had collapsed.
00:38:38.860And I remember watching them mull over the idea that even if they sold at that moment, they wouldn't have broken even despite all of the money that they had dumped into it.
00:38:51.160And they're still sitting on that home today.
00:38:53.920They're looking to sell again, but so many people got wrapped up in that.
00:38:58.640And one of the things that I think is really interesting about this concept of the octopus of global control is it really speaks to the way that you envision this problem at large, a many-tentacled octopus.
00:39:12.080I was wondering – can you expand on that a little bit?
00:39:14.440Did you know that that was anti-Semitic when you knew it?
00:39:24.320So the octopus symbology is obviously not mine.
00:39:29.860I mean we've got – Danny Casalero wrote a book called The Octopus, wrote it when he was 44, wound up packed in a bathtub in a hotel with his wrist slit and everything.
00:39:41.580I wrote The Octopus of Global Control when I was 44.
00:39:44.280Believe me, I was thinking about that.
00:39:45.600But there's a quote in the book from John Francis Hyland, the mayor of New York City.
00:39:56.020And he talks about this octopus with its sprawling tentacles in every aspect of society, in the courthouses, in the media, in the money-making, in the science and everything.
00:40:06.460And he says, and let me escape from mere generalizations.
00:40:09.840I'm talking about the Rockefeller Standard Oil octopus.
00:40:13.380And you get to the bottom of this, right?
00:40:14.940And you're reading this three paragraphs and you're like, oh, this is exactly what's going on right now.
00:40:19.260And you're John Francis Hyland, mayor of New York City, 1922.
00:41:56.600The Chinese will eat anything with wings except a 747 too.
00:42:00.120I mean just – but imagining it stuck to your – the inside of your throat and it's suffocating you, it really speaks to me when I think about just the name of your book.
00:42:11.160Because although this – it's what it's doing to the world, this octopus of global control.
00:42:16.480It is down the world's throat and suffocating it.
00:42:19.080And the funny thing too is the world probably thought, oh, this looks delicious.
00:42:23.220I can probably swallow this in one bite.
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00:43:45.320And also a lot of it is like, you know, I sort of took this approach for the way I described it was verbal judo, right?
00:43:57.600Judo is like using somebody's momentum against them.
00:44:00.800You know, someone comes flying in with a punch.
00:44:03.840You try to move out of the way and then direct it somewhere else.
00:44:06.060So I said I'm going to do verbal judo with these people.
00:44:11.260I'm going to use the weight of their own words against them because when you hear Henry Kissinger talking about our policy towards the third world is that of depopulation.
00:44:21.340In a 1974 National Security Council 200 memo, it's not theory.
00:44:43.000And when David Rockefeller goes out and says, my family and I have been accused of being internationalists, we're trying to create a world government and blah, blah.
00:45:45.000So, again, like this information is hidden to the extent that people just don't want to go search for it.
00:45:51.920So I compiled it in the book and did it in a way that was kind of I mean, it was fun and there's funny and I mean, you have to laugh at the absurdity of some of this stuff.
00:46:00.200It's crazy stuff. But but also like, you know, it's important to hear the words of these people because they think that they can say anything and do anything and that nobody's going to hold them accountable.
00:46:14.220And then when the book comes out and it's like it's in there and it's not it's not speculation, it's it's it's some obscure interview that the guy did that he thought nobody was ever going to find.
00:46:24.660And then you find it. It's like, well, here you go, buddy. Like, what do you want to do?
00:46:28.900You oh, yeah. Hillary Clinton is fighting for women's rights.
00:46:31.820Hillary Clinton used to defend rapists against chill that were that were raping women and children.
00:46:37.020Like, you think Hillary Clinton's a good person? Would you like me to show you one hundred and sixteen examples of her saying something horrible?
00:46:44.820I mean, I can I can lay it all out here.
00:46:48.360It's such a recording of her where she's she's laughing about her ability to get off the the defendant.
00:46:55.840She was. Yeah. And then she's she's like cackling about it.
00:46:59.620Yeah. Oh, it's almost like we came. We saw he died.
00:47:02.880I mean, she's got a long track record of being a psychopath.
00:47:10.120You know, I don't know if Tony did this on purpose, but picking you up it like because really thinking about it, your content is like is like the entryway to his content.
00:47:21.720Yes. You're very much like, look at all this shit.
00:47:24.880And he's like, look at this stuff underneath it.
00:47:28.120And it's like once you get once you get this this out of macro of what the picture that you're painting, then you're saying, well, why does Henry Kissinger want to kill everybody?
00:47:36.900Why do the Rockefellers hate us? And it's like, well, there's actually an interdimensional realm with with demons and Nephilim and fallen angels.
00:47:44.340And they've been conspiring against you since the beginning of time.
00:47:54.940But he's doing something different, right? It's the it's the antithesis of the octopus of global control.
00:47:59.660It is a many legged creature that that Merkle is is creating.
00:48:03.880But this one is is in opposition to this this, you know, this Godzilla control.
00:48:09.780Yeah, it's the Godzilla. There you go. Beautiful. Right.
00:48:12.280I kind of wonder. I can't help it. My mind goes here.
00:48:15.720Recently, we had this thing with Greta Thunberg and she's got a little squishy octopus behind her.
00:48:20.680And all of a sudden the joke comes out that she is showing signs of anti-Semitism because of what the octopus supposedly represents.
00:48:28.580And now it's it's kind of become public knowledge.
00:48:33.040Right. That somehow this this creature is synonymous with anti-Semitism.
00:48:37.060And I can't help but wonder. I mean, it's it's really an effective club to sort of smash down the opposition with.
00:48:44.280Right. Because whenever somebody steps up in opposition, one of the easiest ways that especially the mainstream media likes to dismiss them is these accusations of racism or homophobia or sexism.
00:48:54.720Right. These isms, they're very effective up until recently, I would argue, at at silencing dissent.
00:49:01.380And now all of a sudden where where where this octopus of global control is a is a very excellent way of describing it, especially what you just went through.
00:49:12.600I think it really is an effective symbol that sort of wraps it up and becomes very digestible for somebody to understand.
00:49:19.600And it almost feels like and maybe, you know, maybe this is a coincidence.
00:49:23.500I'm not in in the business of believing in coincidence, but this is an effective way to stop that narrative.
00:49:31.220It's like because symbols are powerful.
00:49:33.160And if you've managed to boil down what's happening with these these these family bloodlines and, you know, all of this monetary and political corruption and you managed to boil it down into a symbol that people can digest something like an octopus.
00:49:47.240And it really does resonate with people. Well, now you've got to fight the symbol and you do the same thing that you do with other forms of dissent where it's this ism that ism, you know, you you silence the conversation because to even have the conversation is anti-Semitism.
00:50:01.420Is there any part of you that feels like that's sort of what's happening at all?
00:50:05.320Because you you're in a very, you know, peculiar situation where you may find yourself being the recipient of these hurled accusations.
00:50:14.340I was I was just on the show with Iggy Normus and I was just saying that memes, it's memes, old memery.
00:50:21.420That's so powerful. And, yeah, we're dealing with memes. It is kind of like magic.
00:50:26.180But go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I hate to bury the lead, but Greta is going to write the foreword when I republish.
00:50:33.820But no, there is there is a chapter in the octopus book.
00:50:39.320Funny you mentioned this called Student Body Right.
00:50:42.160Now, the only people who know what student body right means are people that are college football fans back in the late 60s.
00:50:50.920I went to USC back in the late 60s. We had a running back before he became a wife and waiter, murdering television commentator.
00:50:59.520O.J. Simpson used to be the greatest running back in the world, and they would give him the ball.
00:51:04.460And they had this play called Student Body Right. And what it was was basically it's a handoff to O.J.
00:51:09.580And then the tackles on the tackle and guard on the left pull and they all run to the right.
00:51:14.520And everybody runs and blocks to the right. And O.J. runs behind him.
00:51:18.580It's an unstoppable play. They ran that play. Nobody could stop it.
00:51:23.340They won the national championship. It's when you find a play that's unstoppable.
00:51:28.460You run it over and over and over and over again until somebody tells you how to stop it.
00:51:33.840And the chapter Student Body Right was was about Israel, was about their use of the term anti-Semitism as a label to just silence any sort of discussion and debate.
00:51:47.880And I said that isn't that is the equivalent of this football play.
00:51:51.440It's unstoppable right now at that time. It's unstoppable whenever some there's any sort of legitimate criticism of Israel.
00:52:00.500You just slap that title on and it stops, stops the conversation.
00:52:03.920So so this has been going on for a while. This is not a new.
00:53:32.780And this person, if everybody's if your grandmother who wanted to not go into the hospital during covid, she might be a Nazi or Nazi adjacent.
00:53:41.120And you're like, well, then how bad is a Nazi?
00:53:43.380Really? You guys have you guys have worn it out.
00:53:47.420Yeah. Or if you're if you're keeping books out of elementary school libraries that have to do with inverting your penis or something like that, that's the equivalence to book burning.
00:53:56.120And that's Nazism. There's it if everybody is that nobody is.
00:54:00.720And it's now a term that means nothing.
00:54:02.680I had a small experience on Twitter where somebody called me a racist and I I said, ha, ha, ha, ha.
00:54:43.320What does worry me is what comes next, because the rhetoric is failing.
00:54:49.120And when rhetoric fails, then oftentimes action is around the corner.
00:54:53.160And are we coming to a place where, you know, the rhetoric was part of the the the writhing and the the sort of the the flailing as the system is going down.
00:55:03.200And now that the rhetoric is no longer working, I anticipate a higher level of desperation, a more effective bludgeon that they're going to wield against us, because I don't know what that is.
00:55:17.940If that's, you know, some sort of full blown censorship or or, you know, we enter a place where you we were just talking about it the other day, you can no longer get to your vehicle because your social credit score.
00:55:29.500If they roll that, you know what I mean?
00:55:30.540Like there's all kinds of terrible implications that could be coming now that the words aren't working.
00:55:35.580But the thing is, it's like you're going to they're getting to a point where they're going to have to exclude everybody from everything, which means that people are resilient.
00:55:43.800Like, I'm I'm a big believer that if you take if you just took the current government of the United States.
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00:56:17.560Disappeared it overnight, like everything gone.
00:56:20.240And I'm not saying to do anything to these people.
00:56:22.100I'm just saying, like, you know, it didn't exist anymore.
00:56:24.860People would still be here and still organize voluntarily and do shit voluntarily.
00:56:29.120It wouldn't we wouldn't just cease to exist.
00:56:31.020So they're getting to a point now where if you you're now calling everybody a Nazi, then now now you are in the minority and you're not going to have the power to pull these strings.
00:58:10.220And if only we had known who he was, there was plenty of advanced knowledge of this.
00:58:17.180We just couldn't figure out who it was.
00:58:18.820But if only we had known we could have stopped this mass murder.
00:58:23.520So on my desk is a law, a bill that is 8000 pages that we wrote last night.
00:58:30.540And boom, you know, it's like already ready to go.
00:58:32.980And Charlie, this is the Internet ID card.
00:58:35.940This is the you've got to be verified to get on Twitter.
00:58:40.240This is all that stuff wrapped up in the one.
00:58:42.480So I expect an Internet false flag and Internet.
00:58:48.500It's something to justify the Internet ID card.
00:58:51.560Have you seen what Nikki Haley has been calling for, Charlie?
00:58:54.100Because it's exactly she's taking a break from saying that we all must support Israel or else to say, I need to have everyone's identity on the Internet.
00:59:03.960She's doing the Jordan Peterson thing, which I spoke about before.
01:00:47.860If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about.
01:00:50.040Right. I mean, they'll run out all of the psychological operations, all of the terms that they use to make you feel bad or guilty.
01:00:59.200Like, oh, you you you think you want your privacy? Privacy is gone.
01:01:03.160Right. Harari told us that you think your privacy is dead.
01:01:06.380You know, you soul. You don't need a soul. You don't have a soul. You don't need that.
01:01:10.280You know, so it's like a slow whittling away of these things.
01:01:14.920The totalitarian tiptoe is David. I calls it. Right.
01:01:17.580Whereas you just sort of incrementally move towards this.
01:01:20.800And next thing you know, you've you've agreed to you've agreed to because you want to be on Twitter.
01:01:26.700You've agreed to do the biometric thing. You've agreed to to to scan your driver's license and put that in and tie it.
01:01:33.560And you just said, I don't care. I want to be part of this.
01:01:35.980It's like that's a slippery slope. That's like one step away from, you know, all this other stuff.
01:01:41.660I mean, I expect them to go hard after VPN makers and things like and groups like that.
01:01:46.720Anybody that wants any sort of privacy, any sort of like Monero advocates, like get ready for it.
01:01:54.880They're coming for you. Anybody that wants to do things that's outside of the purview of the government or the world government,
01:02:02.320they're going to try and make you sound like you're part of the problem because that's how they do it.
01:02:09.480So I expect that. I don't want it, of course. I'm not trying to speak it into existence.
01:02:13.100But I think it's long past that. I think I think these guys these guys know they need to take control of the Internet.
01:02:19.440They just don't know exactly how they're going to do it.
01:02:21.560Yeah, I think that they do want to take control of it.
01:02:24.900They do want to create a homogenized version of it, a sterilized version of the Internet.
01:02:27.900Right. Because as soon as you let's say we do have a power grid attack.
01:02:33.020Well, that's a much different scenario. It it'll push people outside the system for them to launch a power grid attack.
01:02:43.720They had better. That's kind of an end game thing. Right.
01:02:46.440Like that's that's one of the things they have before something really, really absolutely major happens, which that in itself is major.
01:02:51.920But the Internet is a fundamental part of the bread and circus that they have running.
01:02:57.100And as soon as you take that away from us, you're going to push us outside.
01:03:01.080I was actually just talking about this the other day. It's like, you know, my dream is to create content that helps people to see the mechanisms that are that are aimed against them.
01:03:09.720That's that's what I want to do. And I want to make a living doing that.
01:03:12.320And then all of a sudden I have to start thinking, well, if everything goes down, what do I do?
01:03:17.120And we had a bunch of jokes on Twitter, but I started to seriously consider getting equipment for like an AM station, you know, to to create my own AM station.
01:03:26.400I'm not the only person who's thinking something like that. Right.
01:03:29.640So if you kill the Internet, you're going to push people outside.
01:03:32.740And that's the last thing that you want. COVID was a really good example of that.
01:03:35.580They don't want us outside. They want us inside.
01:03:38.200They want us hooked up to the slow IV drip of the bread and circus.
01:03:41.160We we want Netflix. We want video games. You want the Internet.
01:03:44.420We want to be engaged on social media. And look, sure, there are dissenting voices.
01:03:48.160But if you can keep them, there's always going to be dissenting voices.
01:03:50.960If you can keep them just within the confines of social media and not the streets of America.
01:03:58.160Well, that's something right. That's better than than having them out there marching.
01:04:01.940And so I would I would agree with you.
01:04:03.940I don't think that they I think it's much more profitable for them to create a version of the Internet where we still want to ingrate, engage, whether or not it's begrudgingly, because it's not the same thing that it used to be.
01:04:17.100We're still going to engage. So many of us will settle for a shittier version of the Internet than no Internet at all.
01:04:23.040So I think it's much more advantageous for them to to create, you know, a much more censored version.
01:04:27.980We already we already have settled for it.
01:04:29.740I mean, the Internet has gone through like such a degradation in phases from the Wild West to Twitter 1.0.
01:04:37.380Now we have Twitter 2.0. And that's more like a like here.
01:04:40.740Like that's like more nostalgia. I think we were talking last last week about nostalgia, like the generation of nostalgia.
01:04:46.200So, oh, remember when we could say, you know, the N word?
01:04:48.660Well, you can do that again. But the Faustian bargain is like the end game.
01:04:53.480Like I'm always thinking about like, OK, they'll give us the Internet, but they're not going to give you the Internet forever.
01:04:58.320They'll take it away when they've reached a certain point.
01:05:01.180And what that point is, it could be the, you know, the the A.I. thing with Neuralink, with whatever Elon Musk is doing.
01:05:08.560So that honey trap of like here, I'll give you this.
01:05:10.580But, you know, you got to give up your soul that that might be the end of it.
01:05:16.000Oh, I'll make the Neuralink so good that the the Internet interfacing with the Internet through Neuralink, it's like Neuralink is amazing.
01:05:23.900But the Internet in the state that it's in is causing schizophrenia in people who have Neuralink.
01:05:28.900If we want to continue to have Neuralink and, you know, go down this amazing route of human technology integration, we need a sterilized version of the Internet.
01:05:37.720That's not going to cause people to lose their minds. And maybe maybe then they'll do it.
01:05:40.980Yeah. There has to be a reward. You know, we have to be willing to give something up or gain something rather in order to have the Internet have in comparison to what it is now.
01:05:51.360The Internet's making people mentally ill already.
01:05:55.240It's it's it's really putting people in a state.
01:05:58.440Yeah, I know you're responsible for if you have institutionalized it more than more than your share of of people that are just tired of arguing with you and trying to to they've done trying to figure out what you are.
01:06:33.940Again, that's the thing. That's the law of unintended consequences.
01:06:37.340They they do this stuff and they don't know that it's going to create jihadis.
01:06:43.420Right. I mean, people that are like really against them for it's like this is this is like I had no problem with you until you start fucking with me.
01:06:51.120Now it's my mission to get you back for it's like all they had to do was nothing or less of what they were doing.
01:06:57.380Let's be less authoritarian, less obvious about it.
01:07:00.160But you guys did it. So you brought this on yourself.
01:07:03.040And I always say I just wanted to drive truck.
01:07:05.520Yeah, that's it. You just wanted to that.
01:08:01.240There's but when when when covid, you know, that that that sort of operation rolled out and you're and you just know that they were like, oh, yeah, they'll just line up for the shots.
01:08:11.060And then when everybody didn't, when like a third of the population were like, I don't think so.
01:09:17.740I want to ask you, you know, all of we're talking about the octopus of global control.
01:09:26.620We're talking about these these families, the Rothschilds and how much stock do you put on a scale from definitely not maybe and certainly do you put into the idea that there is a paranormal undertone to this?
01:09:43.260There is a ancient bloodline aspect to all of this, that this this octopus is part of a plan that has been the backdrop to humanity ever since we were first conceived and has been following us along.
01:09:59.300Well, early on, I would have been dismissive of that stuff.
01:10:04.880But the thing is that through what I've my work, what I've discovered is that it matters to them.
01:10:16.000Like a lot bloodlines and all that stuff really matters to them.
01:10:21.080So even if I if I'm dismissive of and go, oh, that's just nonsense.
01:11:38.540We're making contact with with things and we're getting, you know, you there starts to after a while you you you can ignore it if you want.
01:11:49.000And I think you can probably live a full life just living in this world with no knowledge, understanding or anything of that.
01:11:57.000But if you want to know a little bit more, you have to open your mind to the possibility that there are things going on outside of the realm of what we see with our own limited vision and hearing and thoughts and our little minds and everything.
01:12:13.420And it will lead you to a point where there's questions.
01:12:51.440But but why at that one phase does it look like a lizard?
01:12:55.840Why when I go to London in the city of London in particular, when I was there a couple of years ago, is all of the artwork and sculptures dragons?
01:13:06.020Why are they so fucking obsessed with lizards?
01:13:10.340And I was in the I was in the Tower of London.
01:13:12.640They had this suit of armor and it was like the helmet and everything.
01:13:15.860And on the top of it was a was a was a lizard on the top of this guy's helmet.
01:13:21.860I was like, and of course, I'm with my family.
01:13:24.440I'm just like, I can't talk about, you know, like I can't talk.
01:13:27.280I'm trying to like there's fucking lizards everywhere in this place.
01:13:31.140So I'm I'm freaking out, but I'm trying to play it cool.
01:13:34.980Look, I think that there's something going on that's out of the realm of our understanding and and and that we can dismiss it if we want to, because it's easy to do that.
01:13:46.740And it all feels a bit science fiction.
01:13:48.620And it's kind of hard to prove a lot of this stuff, too.
01:13:51.220So it's like you and people should go, well, you're you're you're winding up in the David Icke lizard people realm.
01:13:57.060It's like, well, I mean, I'm not scared of that.
01:14:00.280I'll look at I'll look at all kinds of things, you know, but there's their writings, their sculptures, their artwork, their their whole world revolves around the right bloodlines.
01:14:14.580And if you're the wrong bloodline, you know, we've got to get Princess Diana in here.
01:14:25.460You know, so so you see that these royals are very much into this.
01:14:32.780And so because if you're watching them, then by default, you have to watch what they're into.
01:14:39.400You have to wonder you have to ask why they have these secret ceremonies, why everything is about symbols, why everything is about the dragons and lizards and and whatnot.
01:14:49.140And who is Geordie Rose thinking he's talking to in these parallel dimensions and what information is he dragging back into this?
01:14:57.220So, you know, I look, I don't have the answers to that.
01:15:00.740But I think that if you if you try to understand why the world works the way it does, it will it will lead you to those people that are rulers.
01:15:11.940And if you look at what is compelling them to do the things that they're doing, then it may, in fact, lead you to something else that's a little bit out of our visual sight.
01:15:25.720It drives me crazy whenever I'm talking to someone who is in the political realm, like if I'm talking to a Tim Poole or even a Dave Smith, love Dave Smith.
01:15:34.500But if I'll bring up like some kind of conspiracy, I have to be careful.
01:15:38.900You know, I have to approach it with comedy right away.
01:15:42.200They'll they're like you can see on the face.
01:16:54.640You know, it's because it's an investment.
01:16:58.160Very much the way you were describing, Charlie, where you start reading these books and all of a sudden the lens that you look at the world through starts to make a lot more sense.
01:17:06.340The context that you're looking at things through makes a lot more sense.
01:17:09.560And that feeling is so overwhelming that it almost locks you into that new paradigm where you were just previously locked into one that like, you know, call it what you will.
01:17:31.560And what people like Dave Smith or name whoever you want, anybody who's heavily into politics, what they're missing is that there is a very strong possibility the individual who's talking to you about reptilians had the same thing happen.
01:17:45.140They also got a new paradigm that they dusted off an old book.
01:17:49.760They, you know, started digging and found a new lens to look at things through where all of a sudden it suddenly makes sense.
01:18:08.020That epiphanous moment of shaking your old worldview up and then dropping it and adopting a new one.
01:18:15.280It is the same energy, the same feeling, the same emotion, all of this.
01:18:20.780And for some reason, one who is, you know, in the reptilian camp can also look over to the political corruption and be like, I agree, dude.
01:18:46.680Go back six years before you discovered all this stuff about the CIA, before you discovered all this stuff about, you know, the international banking community and all this shit.
01:18:54.040And you would have said the same thing if somebody bought you that without context.
01:18:58.400And so it's a blind spot that it is it's really frustrating because I watch a lot of highly intelligent people exhibit that blind spot where they're sounding the alarm in a very correct way about high level political corruption, but won't entertain this for a second.
01:19:15.700Because, you know, for a lot of people, not only is it is it an investment, right?
01:19:19.820You've shaken up one worldview, got out of that burning boat, got into another one that feels a lot sturdier.
01:19:24.980But also for a lot of people, there's now monetary incentive.
01:19:29.000They've built a career around this and they cannot sacrifice that that new baby to because that's what happens.
01:19:34.680Right. If you're in Dave Smith's, you know, point of view, he was running for the presidency.
01:19:39.920And it's like you've got so much riding on this.
01:19:42.140Unfortunately, you can't even look over and entertain that in a serious manner because everything will fall apart and you'll be ostracized still.
01:19:50.040We're still dealing with these. It's like this level of gatekeeping.
01:19:55.960I mean, Jesus was telling me, he's like, hey, listen, I'm I'm the guy.
01:19:58.920And there's still so many people, despite what he's doing and despite everything going on around him, they're like, I just can't I can't go that far.
01:20:06.720You know, we have we have certain boundaries and he's like, no, no, trust me, God sent me here.
01:20:11.540I'm I'm his son. And they're like, we like you, but we just can't like get past that one thing.
01:20:17.520You know what I mean? It's like it's kind of it's there's a there's a block with people.
01:20:21.520And I guess it's a natural thing. And it might be like a protective thing.
01:20:24.760It might be. So it's definitely a social thing.
01:20:27.360So. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, you break that.
01:20:30.680I could you imagine being like at your parent parent teacher conference or wherever and you're known as like the the the dad who's like all into reptilians like people, you know, like that, like you don't need that sort of grief in your life.
01:20:47.860You know, David Ike talks again, but talks about like how he would walk down the street and people would cross the street to get away from him and everything like that.
01:20:53.840It's like you have to make this calculation. How far are you willing to go?
01:20:58.000You know, and once you get to be like at a certain level, like like a Dave Smith or someone like that, who I who who by all accounts really destroyed Laura Loomer.
01:21:10.820They're talking about talking about lizard people.
01:21:13.180Yeah, no kidding. But, you know, like you you get to that certain point.
01:21:18.060And it's like if I start talking about this other thing, there is a calculation that you make.
01:21:24.400There's a certain percentage of my current listeners, followers, like people that like me or whatever.
01:21:30.660There's a certain percentage of them that that would just be a bridge too far or it'll discredit everything else I've I've talked about if I talk about that stuff.
01:21:39.580So I don't love it, but I do understand why that calculation gets made by a lot of people.
01:21:47.460Of course. And I don't I let I'll just say this.
01:21:51.060I don't have any particular information one way or another about whether there are lizard people or there are not.
01:22:01.020I've I've said that can't happen before only to see that it can happen.
01:22:07.620And so what I've come to understand is that I need to know how little I know and I need to recognize that I also need to give myself the flexibility to admit if I'm wrong about something, too.
01:22:23.760And to not not like dig in and be like, I'm going to defend this wrong position forever because nobody I can't ever let somebody see that I I've made a mistake on this.
01:22:34.120I have I've I'm I guarantee I've got three of my books right in front of me.
01:22:38.260I guarantee you in that book, in one of these three books, you'll be able to find something that I got wrong.
01:22:43.780I guarantee it. Right. And I don't love it.
01:22:45.900And I know that over time, some of the stuff will, you know, will like you said this and it turned out it was different.
01:22:51.900I reserve the right to change my mind about things if I'm presented with new information that is better than the information I had before.
01:23:00.040I think that that's the right thing to do, not the wrong thing to do.
01:23:02.700I think you have to give yourself the flexibility.
01:23:06.680I'm not saying don't be anchored in your beliefs or anything like that or be wishy washy, but but if you get it wrong, you got it wrong.
01:23:14.540Look, you're going up against professional disinformation, liars, psychopaths of the highest order, the CIA and the media and all these people and the police and the judges, the court systems.
01:23:26.140And all these people are very comfortable lying all day long and and you you're going to you're going to get stuff wrong every now and then.
01:23:34.880But if you say, I, you know, I saw it this way early on, but now over time, I've come to the understanding that I think I might have been selling this at one aspect a little bit short.
01:23:49.640And in fact, there is maybe a little bit more to this than I was aware of.
01:23:54.020I didn't have the information back then and now I have the information.
01:24:11.780An amazing journey into the psychotic mind.
01:24:13.840But he brings up this concept in this book right in the second chapter about it being ideas, not even being our own.
01:24:21.660You know, it's like if we are just antennas and these ideas are in the ether and being whispered to us here or there, how many of our ideas are actually from us?
01:24:38.420But most of the stuff that comes to my brain, it's got to be from somewhere else.
01:24:42.160So if you take that like line of thinking and you extrapolate that to your prior beliefs or even current beliefs, it's like your beliefs are your ideas are ideas that were presented to you.
01:24:53.020And you're able to like like a snake just shed it right off.
01:26:13.820I just wanted to ask you quick, Charlie, when it comes to politics, on the highest levels, do you think that we still have input or is this all a song and dance?
01:26:24.960And when I say the highest levels, I mean, you know, specifically the presidency.
01:26:29.400Do we do we still have an effect on that, do you think?
01:26:32.420Or do you think those days are long gone if they ever were here in the first place?
01:26:37.600Yeah, like I don't think a Trump is a disruptor.
01:26:59.760I think that these people are are put in positions of power for a reason.
01:27:04.040I don't know how much of of whether or not we want them to be there.
01:27:06.960We have I mean, you know, every now and then, though, you see Hillary Clinton.
01:27:09.900Hillary thought she was supposed to be the president and that that has never happened.
01:27:15.740So sometimes you go, well, maybe the good guys won on this one.
01:27:20.120Maybe somebody, you know, we voted for anybody other than her.
01:27:23.820But I think really at the highest level, it's, you know, it's heads.
01:27:28.260They win tails, you lose, you know, no matter who is in there, the the permanent state that really kind of runs things there.
01:27:37.220They're still there might be it might be a different flavor might be, you know, your tyranny might taste a little different, but it'll still be tyranny.
01:27:45.960And and in fact, you'll bring in the Republican guy, Trump, in order to destroy Republicans because they'll listen to him.
01:27:55.600And you bring in the Democrat guy in order to destroy Democrats like like Obama.
01:28:00.180And he destroyed them, you know, from the inside.
01:28:02.780But everyone voted for him because he was their guy who's on their team.
01:28:05.780But he was setting up a system that was actively working against them.
01:28:09.860So I think that a lot of this is theater and I think that a lot of it is a show.
01:28:16.540And I think that the people that have real power don't want money because they can make money.